Re: [Felvtalk] Which probiotic did you use for kitty?
Hi Claudia I used Forti-Flora on MeMe. I had no idea that it would help her mouth, but after about three weeks I noticed that her mouth was greatly improved. It is made by Purina but my vet said it is a very effective product and I found that to be true. I bought it on Amazon (of all places) Jane On Mar 16, 2010, at 7:56 PM, Claudia wrote: Soemone on here mentioned using probiotics for kittys who have felv esepecially for tooth problems and stomach issues. Can someone give me the name of the for felv cats and where i may get it? My cat jsut finished an antibiotic and I know it would be good to give her a probiotic thanks, Claudia --- On Tue, 3/16/10, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org felvtalk- requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: From: felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org felvtalk- requ...@felineleukemia.org Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 21, Issue 14 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 1:00 PM Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Epogen? Interfuron? (Hotmail Junk) - - Message: 1 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 03:31:25 -0700 From: Hotmail Junk cstet...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen? Interfuron? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: blu0-smtp84ad7760e652d0b662ce97c1...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed;delsp=yes When gray cat was first diagnosed his hct was at 9. He is currently on a very high dose of Pred a chemo drug called Chlorambucil. We are getting ready to take him off the chemo drug start cyclosporin once again try to slowly reduce his pred. We did interferon LTCI injections. He test negative now for FeLV. There is always a 3-4 week lag time before you start to see the increase in the Hematocrit with Pred. We have been going through this since Sept. 2008. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2010, at 8:17 AM, Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: Hello all; Casper is my symptomatic cat that became positive because I mixed my positives and negatives. I wondered if somehow I had missed his vaccinataion last year. I asked the vet to double check and as I thought he was not even due for his next vaccination until April. Anyway, he is now anemic and we are trying to deal with that. He has been getting Prednosolone and Doxycycline for about a week and a half without improvement. His count was 19 when he was tested two weeks ago. I took him today for a PCV and don't have the results yet. He also got an iron shot. I asked about Epogen. My vet calls it Arithro proeatin (I know I botched the spelling of that.) He is also looking into Interferon. Has anyone had experience with these with an anemic positive cat? Now that my decision to mix has make Casper become positive I want to do whatever I can for him. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 21, Issue 14 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] MeMe 2006-3-32010
thanks Laurie As I said to you yesterday, you are a great list mate and friend. I know you understand. Jane xxx On Mar 5, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Laurieskatz wrote: Jane, I am so sorry. I did not realize when we talked privately yesterday that MeMe took the 10PM flight to heaven just the night before. The two photos of Meme are amazing (and so are your other photos!). Your love is between every line of your story about sweet MeMe. What a joyful cat she was. And what a character. Grief is not for sissies. I still cannot talk about recent losses without tears. I can't talk about long ago losses without tears. Our grief is evidence that someone lived and was loved. It is how we honor their lives and how we heal. Feel your grief. Let your Scotties comfort you. And you, them. Look for MeMe. I suspect, with her being such a character, that she will visit you. When the Scotties look at something you cannot see, it could be MeMe. I think animals see things we don't or can't. God bless you for loving this wonderful soul. You will be tied together forever. Pick up the book Cat Heaven, by Cynthia Rylant, if you can. It is a child's picture book and very comforting. XO L - ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] please remove my name
SHARON, PLEASE REMOVE YOURSELF AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. Thank you On Feb 28, 2010, at 8:01 PM, Laurieskatz wrote: Diane, My response exactly. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Diane Rosenfeldt Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 6:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] please remove my name (Sigh.) Sharon, please remove yourself by clicking the link at the bottom of this email (it's on every email you have gotten from the list), scroll to the bottom of the page and type in your email address. You will be instructed how to unsubscribe. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharon Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 6:28 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] please remove my name I WANT OFF THIS MAILING LIST Please remove my name. Thank you, Sharon Fischer ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Leftover LTCI?
Jayson I know that a former list member who lives in New Mexico inherited a shelter full off cats when the owner died suddenly. I also know that she has many Felv kitties and would probably be grateful for some doses. She has been buying LTCI from her vet and I am sure a few extra doses would go to good use. You can contact her :hideyo YAMAMOTO hideyo.yamam...@msn.com Jane On Feb 14, 2010, at 10:56 PM, Jason Michael Canon wrote: Greetings, What have most people been doing with their leftover LTCI? Thanks ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sweet dreams little brother
So very sorry for your loss Jason. We all dread the grief you are feeling. Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Advice please?
Hi Avia I've heard about the five year mark and I've also heard the three year obstacle and I've learned from my cat that there are no guarantees for any of us. When I got my cat she was highly symptomatic (URI, swollen glands, stomatitis, diarrhea...you name it). I have had her for three years and she has recovered from everything with the exception of stomatitis. She is roughly four years old and I sweated getting her past the three year mark and of course I am trying to ignore the 'five year theory' because I think we can all become victims of statistics and other people's consideration. I am coping by doing everything I can to help her live as comfortably as possible for as long as possible. She is doing fine. I'm the one who needs to do the work. Ignore the woman from the rescue group. Every FeLV kittten has its own path. Just keep loving them. Jane On Jan 26, 2010, at 2:15 PM, Avia Rauscher wrote: I've been a member here for a while, although I don't post much. I lost a 20 month old cat (Cinder) to FeLV a year ago. We found out her status post-mortem and through subsequent testing of my other three cats found one of them (Onyx) to be FeLV+ as well (Elisa and IFA). The other two (Horus Blackie) have been vaccinated, and will be re-tested soon. I did not separate them after learning that Onyx was + because - well, any of you who mix your +'s and -'s know why. Although there is no 100% sure way to know which cat gave the FeLV to the other, we are working on the assumption that Onyx had it to begin with and gave it to Cinder. Cinder was 9 weeks old when we adopted from ACC, and Onyx was about 20 months old at the time. I got Onyx from a pet store (lesson learned!) and she was in sad shape, only six weeks old, dehydrated, malnourished, and with coccidia. I couldn't return her to the people who allowed her to get into that condition (as suggested by the vet I used at the time), but for whatever reason, testing her for FeLV never came up. Cinder was tested at the shelter, and came back negative. Horus and Blackie both tested negative when they joined our family. At first I thought Cinder tested false negative because of her age, but in my many conversations with many, many people it seems more likely that Onyx had it from birth (or shortly after, she has never been exposed to FeLV other than with Cinder) and gave it to Cinder (they were very close as almost as soon as I brought Cinder home). Cinder developed a URI shortly after leaving the shelter, which Onyx caught, of course. Onyx had a much harder time beating the URI, part of which was due to a poorly prescribed antibiotic. I realize now that it may have been the FeLV that made it so hard for her to kick it. So, Onyx is now four years and a couple of months old. She is healthy and active, and I have been so happy that she seems to be one of those cats who lives a long time with this virus. Until I spoke to a woman from a rescue group doing cat adoptions in a nearby pet store. Through conversation I told Onyx's story and this woman kindly (hah!) informed me that the life expectancy for a cat with FeLV in the bone marrow is five years, so while I'm lucky she's survived this long, I shouldn't expect Onyx to be around a whole lot longer. Which brings me to the advice I would like: What are the chances of a cat who is FeLV+ from birth living past 5? I have been reading all the posts about LCTI, but I am not clear on whether you start when they develop symptoms or while they are still healthy. Does anyone here know if recurrent FLUTD is commonly seen in FeLV+ cats? Horus tested negative and was vaccinated, but he's lost two pounds in the last month (his appetite seems fine) and is in the middle of his third bout of FLUTD in as many months - he's also asthmatic. I am in panic mode right now. Should I re-test him early? Any advice anyone here can give me would be very much appreciated. Avia Rauscher ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lyttle Guy passed away
so sorry for your loss James. May Little Guy rest in peace. Jane On Jan 25, 2010, at 12:26 PM, Sara Kasteleyn wrote: James...so sorry to learn of the loss of your precious Lyttle Guy. My thoughts are with you. He was so fortunate to have lived in the light of your love. Sara -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James G Wilson Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 2:37 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Lyttle Guy passed away Lyttle Guy passed away in my arms at 4:18am this morning. He had series of seizures and then gasped his last breath. He was truly loved and shall be dearly missed James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research Support) http://www.facebook.com/crambone http://weather62025.com (Weather for Edwardsville, IL) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 4804 (20100125) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] erythropoietin (i.e.,Epogen, Procrit) with LTCI
no Jason, but if you find that either help I would be open to researching it. Jane On Jan 23, 2010, at 9:29 PM, Jason Michael Canon wrote: Greetings, Does anyone have experience using either Epogen or Procrit concurrently with LTCI? Thanks ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mozart Update
Dear Jason I am so sorry. We all live in fear of the sadness and loss you are experiencing now. Mozart knows your love and care and he will always be with you. I wish things could have turned out differently for all of you. Jane On Jan 16, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Jason Michael Canon wrote: Today, I spent an hour digging a grave to hold the body of my beloved Mozart. God only knows why he is still alive but I don't intend to have another untimely period of snow and ice stop me from giving him the burial he deserves. Regretfully, I don't own a pyramid for his body like the ancient Egyptian kings provided for their beloved cats. However, I dug the best grave that I possibly could, in one of his favorite locations, and today my wife is buying the finest shroud to place his body in. Our original plan for the day was to have him put to sleep and bury him this afternoon but none of the local vets were available so we will probably do everything possible to keep him alive until next Saturday when our vet will be back in town and can come to our home. Mozart was diagnosed positive with FeLV in November 2009. Within 2 days of the diagnosis we put him on Imulan LTCI shots. Unfortunately, we started him on 1 shot per week and continued with that for 6 weeks. He began to go downhill quickly during the Christmas break so we increased the LTCI shots to 3 per week but he has continued to loose weight and the shots are helping less and less. He is skin and bone but still has the most incredible will to live! He just will not give up and his courage further confirms what I already know about him being a truly outstanding example of the strength, stamina, and independence of his Bengal cat heritage. I am so fortunate to have enjoyed his company for over 10 years and will never forget how much he taught me nor underestimate the additional knowledge he had to share with me. Thanks to everyone in this loving supportive group for allowing me to be here. It is possible to feel joy even in times of sorrow when you are blessed as much as I have received. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] question
I've had MeMe for three years, this month. Considering the condition she was in when we got her she has done very well. There are two things that concern me right now and I was wondering if anyone on the list had any ideas. Her coat is in terrible condition. It is hard to describe but it looks somewhat oily and really bedraggled. I guess it should not look healthy since she has Felv, but it is a dramatic change from her once fluffy coat. It has been this way for a few months. During the past week she has had a deep, almost guttural cough. I have only heard it a few times, possibly once a day, but I've heard it. She's just finished 10 days of Clavamox to help keep her stomatitis in check. She is eating very well but something is off and I am not sure what. Her posture is different. She has her paws tucked under her chest. We've started her on LTCI injections just before Christmas and I have a vet who is making house calls to inject her and he will be here today. He has not seen the change in her coat nor heard this deep cough. I'm not sure what he can determine without bloodwork. I was hoping that someone with a Felv cat might have seen similar changes and had an idea where to begin. Sorry this is all so vague. Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] question
Thanks so much Laurie. The thing that is weird is that she is grooming herself but her coat looks dreadful. I'll make arrangements today for blood work although I was hoping to keep her out of the vets. I'll see if he can draw it here? thanks again Jane On Jan 14, 2010, at 10:45 AM, Laurieskatz wrote: Frankie had greasy fur so I took him in for blood work. He had pancreatitis. It is under control with a food change. The unkempt fur is from not feeling well. They stop grooming themselves. Frankie also has the guttural cough. He has asthma. Frankie is not FeLV+. Good luck. It is very good that she is still eating. I would look for changes in her stool. Frankie's was fudgy on and off - I realize now it was probably fudgy when his pancreatitis was acting up. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 9:02 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] question I've had MeMe for three years, this month. Considering the condition she was in when we got her she has done very well. There are two things that concern me right now and I was wondering if anyone on the list had any ideas. Her coat is in terrible condition. It is hard to describe but it looks somewhat oily and really bedraggled. I guess it should not look healthy since she has Felv, but it is a dramatic change from her once fluffy coat. It has been this way for a few months. During the past week she has had a deep, almost guttural cough. I have only heard it a few times, possibly once a day, but I've heard it. She's just finished 10 days of Clavamox to help keep her stomatitis in check. She is eating very well but something is off and I am not sure what. Her posture is different. She has her paws tucked under her chest. We've started her on LTCI injections just before Christmas and I have a vet who is making house calls to inject her and he will be here today. He has not seen the change in her coat nor heard this deep cough. I'm not sure what he can determine without bloodwork. I was hoping that someone with a Felv cat might have seen similar changes and had an idea where to begin. Sorry this is all so vague. Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] LTCI Veterinary Expert
I would love to know the answer to your question, too Jason. I am using LTCI now and have a vet who is willing to come to our house to give our cat the shot, but has no experience with LTCI. I cannot find one in our area who has any experience with it. I know that Laurie's vet has used it and she may be available for a consult. I think she has a practice in the mid west. Hopefully she will see this. Jane On Jan 8, 2010, at 9:05 PM, Jason Michael Canon wrote: Does anyone know of a vet that has solid experience with using LTCI? I'm interested in obtaining a consult. Thanks, Jason ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Help - I can't get LTCI in Georgia!
I'm getting it from a friend (a former list member in NM who is getting it from her vet and sending it to me). Can you ask someone out of state to order it for you and send it to you directly. I cannot imagine that you would be penalized for excepting a package from out of state? It really sounds like gestapo tactics. not allowing it in the state. Good luck getting and using it! Jane On Dec 10, 2009, at 9:01 PM, LauraM wrote: As some of you may have read in my post from last week, my vet and I had planned to start Bridget on LTCI. Unfortunately, when my vet tried to order it, there was a problem. For some reason, the GA state vet isn't allowing the drug into the state at this time, for anybody - some legal issue. So.what are my options? I was excited hopeful about the possibilities of this drug now Bridget can't have it. What other therapies can you folks recommend? I've used interferon with two cats with no success. Bridget is currently asymptomatic, but I would like to try something, anything, to buy her as much time as possible. I'd appreciate any suggestions. Thanks. Laura ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rosie and Murphy Update-LTCI
Alice I am so glad to hear this news. I have been thinking about you. I am splitting the first 10 dose supply with a woman who used to be on this list. MeMe has been stable for almost two years but I am heading your (and Jenny's) advise to act now and not wait until things go south. I am hoping it will help her stomatitis. I do not have allusions of this being a cure but anything that improves the quality of her life is so worth it to me. Thanks for updating us and enjoy watching your kitties thrive. I am sure it is a great feeling after the helplessness you felt when loosing those 4 babies at the same time. Jane On Nov 22, 2009, at 3:19 PM, Alice Flowers wrote: We just got the results back from the lastest blood tests-They are still doing great on the Imulan LTCI. We began them in Sept after losing 4 kitties in 5 months (Rosie's brothers). Only one made it to a year old. They developed the anemia so quickly and died within a week of showing symptoms of slowing down. We were desperate to save the last 2 and found references to the Imulan product and begged our vet to order it for us. They have had 6 injections so far (1st 4 were a week apart, then 2 weeks apart. We are at 4 weeks apart now-the next is Dec 4th-then we go to 6 weeks apart-very easy, we give the injections at home to save money) and their HCT levels are great-they have s much more energy and race around the house-I have never seen them play so much. We didn't want to wait until they showed signs of becoming anemic to try it, I hold onto hope that maybe, just maybe they can beat this blasted disease. But they have always tested positive (4 tests in the past year) the last test June 3rd at UC Davis. I am almost afraid to get them tested again and probably won't for awhile. But their HCT levels range from 36-41 and Murphy has gained a half pound since Sept-Now up to 11 lbs 15.5 oz and little Rosie is a solid 10 lbs 1 oz-she surprises us because she is so petite- her paws look like kitten feet! But then you pick her up and get surprised, you expect maybe 5-6 pounds, not 10! Our vets are really excited about the product, this is their first experience with it. We are still giving the Interferon 1 cc orally 2x a day for good measure, since it is relatively cheap and is also somewhat anti- viral. (I'm on the fence with the Interferon...we were giving it to the other 4 that died..I think the dose is really low to have much effect on the virus when it ramps up) I am just glad we didn't wait to start. Even if we just gain months or even a year or two, it will be worth it-losing the 4 siblings in such a short time was heartbreaking. Another thing we noticed...knock on wood firstthey have not had a sneeze, vomited or had the runs since we began the LTCI, even Murphy's bad molar is pefectly fine, no gingivitus. We had open prescriptions for antibiotics in the past because of the constant infections. We are still very anxious over their health, but are beginning to relax a little bit. __._,_.___ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Raw Food
Hi Lorrie It took me a long time to switch my cat (Felv+) to raw. She refused any raw that I first offered her and rejected cat food that had any raw in it. I have two dogs that I have fed raw to since they were puppies. I discovered that when I was preparing their food my cat would jump up and begin eating whatever I was serving them, including organic buffalo, beef, lamb ...not just chicken and turkey. By letting her eat from their bowls she developed a taste for it and will now eat it from her own bowl. It is not always fool proof. For whatever reason she will sometimes reject raw so I use Petguard (Whole Foods) or Wellness (both wet) as back up. I am convinced that a species appropriate diet is really the way to go. It is not easy but when you realize what the by products used in commercial pet food are, it is very motivating. Jane On Nov 19, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Tracey Shrout wrote: Lorrie, Yes, I think raw is the best also. If you go to those websites, they give you step-by-step instructions on how to make it. You have to be careful to follow the recommended proportions. It does take a little time to convince the cats that this is what they should be eating. One of mine, a 12 year old dry food 'addict' took almost 2 months to completely change to this diet. The others were much easier to convince. I just mixed it with a good canned food, progressively adding more raw. They will eventually eat it by itself and love it, you just have to be determined. Occasionally, I do give some canned food for variety, or when I run out of the raw. On those websites, they also explain how to grind it -- you will have to buy a grinder, and yes, you should use real bones. Its daunting at first, but gets easier everytime you make it. Tracey On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: I think a raw food diet is best for cats, as it's certainly more natural, with none of the by-products and other awful stuff they add to cat food. However only one of my cats will eat it. The others just sniff it and walk away. I'd be interested in hearing what your diet consists of. Are there any particular proportions you use of the chicken, bones, organ meat, egg, vitamins etc, and can bone meal be used instead of bones? I don't know how I'd grind bones. Lorrie On 11-15, Tracey Shrout wrote: Anna, I will give you my personal opinion dealing with severe diahrrea in 2 of my kitties, one of which is +. After many trips to the vet and having many tests for parasites and doses of parasitic medicines, antibiotics, trying fortiflora (which does help some), nothing completely resolved their issues until I started feeding my cats what I feel is the best food possible -- a raw homemade diet of chicken and bones (and organ meat, egg, and vitamins, etc). Lots of people are totally against feeding raw, but I have 5 very healthy kitties who've been eating it for almost 2 years now with remarkable changes in all of them. No more diahrrea for my kitties, and most of the time is doesn't even have an odor (no kidding!) I will never go back to dry, and I use only a good quality grain-free can food if necessary. Cats with diahrrea are naturally going to be dehydrated, so you really need to be giving them water WITH their food -- a canned food. If the homemade diet is not an option for you though, just try a grain free diet. Wellness has a good canned one, and there are a few grain-free dry foods as well. Most cats merely 'tolerate' grains, and other cats cannot. It is not natural for them to eat grains. Oh, and LOTS of cats throw up. No, it is not good, but it is very common. My cats don't throw up anymore (other than hairballs) EVER! I spent tons of time researching making my own food because of so many health issiues w/my kitties -- now I don't have any issues at all. If you want to learn more, check out catnutrition.com and catinfo.com. If you follow the recipes to a T'', you will be amazed! Good luck, and I hope they get better! Tracey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update
thanks very much, Gary I'll call him. Jane On Oct 24, 2009, at 9:52 PM, gary wrote: I don't believe I have seen any side effects listed anywhere and the two I have on it have just gotten their 4th shot with no noticeable side effects. One is just about 11 weeks old and pretty small, the other about 5 months and both seem to be doing fine. I don't really know if it would help with the stomatitis, but you can call the vet that is the company's technical assistance guy for Acemannan. It is made by VPL and their tech asst. page is http://www.vpl.com/techinfo.php Dr. Greg Biehle is his name and he is very good about talking to people about it. I talked to him and my vet talked to him. My vet said they were very impressed with him. Ask him about the stomatitis. I think he only works in the morning and has some days he is in surgery, but he will call you back. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 5:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update Gary are their side effects to the Acemannan? I have never heard about it from my vets, although they always seem the last to know. My cat is Felv but stable now although she has stomatitis. Do you think it might help? Thanks Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update
Gary are their side effects to the Acemannan? I have never heard about it from my vets, although they always seem the last to know. My cat is Felv but stable now although she has stomatitis. Do you think it might help? Thanks Jane On Oct 24, 2009, at 12:54 PM, gary wrote: Hi Belinda, Sorry your little kitty is so sick, an HCT of 16% is serious, but not yet critical. The critical part is how fast it is dropping, 10% and under is critical. I have had a couple that were so fast nothing could be done. Now the bad news, you missed. There wouldn't be much wetness from . 15 cc and there won't be any if it goes in. The dosage is almost correct (probably close enough) but the actual correct dosage is .16 cc. If it were me, I would do it again, even if some of it got in, he needs the whole dose and a bit over won't hurt him. I have had a couple of misses myself and there is just what seems to be a tiny bit of wetness. If you want to check and see just how little fluid that really is, just use one of the old syringes and take up .15 of water and squirt it on his fur. I don't want to discourage you, but sometimes Epogen works and sometimes it doesn't. Also, it takes awhile to get the full benefit of it, sometimes as long as 2 - 3 weeks. Presently, I am trying Acemannan Immunostimulant on a couple of FeLV kittens and it seems to be working. The smaller kitten I didn't get a HCT on to start with, he had pale gums and a URI. The other had an HCT of 18%, after 3 shots of Acemannan (one a week) his HCT just before his fourth shot was 32%. Both kittens seem to be doing well now. I wish I had had some of this when I lost a couple of my adult FeLV cats that got really sick. I've spoken to the vet who did the trials and he said it brought some of the test cats back from death's door. Of course, it is not 100% effective, works for some and they lost some. He said about one third of the calls he gets about it are from vets who want to try it on their own FeLV or FIV cats. The down side of it is it is a little expensive and only a vet can buy it. My vet charges me $125 for four 10 ml vials and I think that may be his cost or close to it as I was told it was about $175. The protocol is one shot a week for 6 weeks and then one a month. It is dosed at 1 mg per kg. Fred would need 3.2 mg, the stuff is 1 mg per ml, so 10 mg per bottle or about 3 shots for Fred. The other downside is the first 6 shots are given IP (through the abdominal wall) so I have the vet do these and even he doesn't like it. The monthly shots can be given sub-q. The instructions say once it is mixed you have to use it in 4 hours, but the vet who did the trials said you can keep it in the fridge for a week or in the freezer for a month. The two kittens I have use almost a third of a bottle (it comes in two bottle pairs, one with the powder and one with saline) and you mix the saline with the powder. I have them save the saline bottle and after the first sots I have them take half of what is left and put it in the saline bottle and I freeze one and put one in the fridge. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 11:18 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update Gary, I got the 1ml 2000 IU and Fred weighs 7lb 2oz. I am using a insulin syringe that is 1/2 cc and was told to give Fred .15 or on the 15 line on the syringe. Does that sound right to you, his HCT was 16% on Tuesday, he got his first shot today and his fur felt wet after, not much but a bit, I hope I didn't miss and he didn't really get it. I was afraid to do more but he is so weak if I did miss I am really afraid he won't make it to Sunday when I give him the next dose. Any suggestions. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New to FLV and have a cat that just tested positive...
Hi Anna I can identify with your devastation and can understand the fear and uncertainty around the diagnosis of a best friend. Most of us have been there. The statistics fluctuate, but it has been reported that 80% of cats have a natural immunity to FLV, and if you read the archives on this list you will discover that transmission is not as certain as was once believed although all of us living with FLV kitties know that one time is enough. My advice would be to research supplements that will boost their immune system and feed them the best diet you can. I think I've been able to bring a formally mistreated kitten (she was thrown from the window of a moving truck onto the porch of a 100+ cat home/shelter) back from the brink because she feels so loved and cared for, that she is 'not going anywhere' if she can help it. As we all know, a lot of love and care helps 'a body'. Because she was so highly symptomatic at one time, we are giving her an on again off dose of Interferon, which some people feel is cruel because of side effects. Our kitten plays and eats with abandon so I am reluctant to change anything that is keeping her well and side effects are impossible to imagine. You'll get good advise here. Mine would be to keep their immune systems tuned (DMG liquid is one I use) be careful of stress and just love them. I know I am nuts, but I do bliss therapy sessions daily. I make sure that she gets to sit in my lap and purr as loudly as she can for 10 minute intervals. I've concocted the notion that the purring is helping her heal and so far, it is working. You will get over the shock and will discover that they have a lot to teach us about 'present time' and that love never is subject,object. Welcome to the three of you ! Jane On Oct 5, 2009, at 5:11 PM, Anna Waltman wrote: Hi everyone, I've been lurking around for the last day or two reading your posts. My darling Sylvia, the first cat I have owned as an adult, just tested positive for FLV on both the in-office and IFA tests. She's one of my best friends and I'm devastated; she was negative as a kitten and has lived inside for most of her life (as a little baby, she was a stray-- I adopted her from the SPCA at five months, and I know she was there for a while before I adopted her). She was given a confident all-clear by my former vet to move with me to Massachusetts and live in a multiple-cat household less than three months ago. Upon moving, it became obvious that Sylvia doesn't like being left alone in the apartment for long periods of time (prior to our move, we lived with my retired parents and their two dogs so she was almost never home alone). I decided to adopt a kitten, Beatrice, a few weeks after we moved in, after Sylvia had gotten comfortable in the apartment. So when Sylvia started meowing strangely and acting a little lethargic, I assumed it was a kitty flu but took her to the vet anyway, just to be safe, and tested her just to be absolutely sure she was still negative. What a horrible surprise. She's been living with Bea for a month or two now and they're best friends; they wrestle all the time, share food bowls, groom each other, etc. I feel sick with guilt about bringing a young kitten into a house with a FLV+ cat, and now chances are I have two positive cats to care for. Our current vet is wonderful, though, and she feels that if we vaccinate Bea ASAP and keep a close eye on Sylvia (treating her problems as they arise), there's a good chance we can keep both of them healthy for a long time. She says she has other patients and co-workers with FLV + and negative cats living in the same household who never pass it to each other. I'm feeding them a mix of Wellness and Innova ENVO and giving the kitten multivitamins to boost her immune system and help her fight off the exposure. I'm a young graduate student in an MA/PhD program and I don't have a ton of money. These kitties had been the most stable thing in my life and this diagnosis is totally eating me up, from the inside out. I love them to pieces and want to be the best cat-parent I can to my girls (having chronic illnesses myself that significantly increase my risk of certain health problems, I'm as empathic about this as anyone). The horrible potential of this disease breaks my heart every time I think about it. My childhood cat passed away a few months before I got Sylvia, and I can't bear to lose another one like that (he was very sick for a long time before he died, but we don't know what it was. Could've been FLV or FIV; he wasn't tested every year, though he was vaccinated. He was indoor/outdoor and a fighter). What do you wish you had known when your cat was first diagnosed, if anything? If there is any advice people have, I would appreciate it, and as I gain experience caring for my girls I will share what has worked and what hasn't
[Felvtalk] Interferon
Lorrie wrote: Thank you for asking people in the group to look into their hearts to see if these treatments are for the cat or for themselves because they want to keep the cat alive no matter what it has to endure. This is an unkind and sanctimonious remark, Lorrie. I hope you are kinder to the cats you care for. Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Whoo Hooo!! CBCs are in-Rosie and Murphy
That is great news, Alice. It is wonderful that they are improving and that their blood work reflects the playfulness and energy they now have. Being proactive, rather than resigned to their slow and painful demise is real care in my estimation. I am following your results with a lot of hope. Great work! Jane On Oct 2, 2009, at 7:53 PM, Alice Flowers wrote: Our vet just called-the blood tests results from this morning are back and they are both improving! Rosie's platelets are in the normal range too! She said there is a buzz in the office and they have been telling their other patients about this product and how it appears promising. We will retest in 2 weeks and will be cutting down from once weekly injections. This one tonight will only be the 3rd one. We are following the manufacturer's protocol to be sure it is effective. We did not wait for them to crash before starting the treatments, hoping to get months, not weeks-but it is looking better than that, but I am afraid to hope for too much-I am grateful for every healthy appearing day. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Xana, FelV positive - interferon?
I've been agonizing about giving MeMe Interferon since I've read Michael's post. I have to honestly say that if she is feeling any side effects they are not apparent. We use one day on and one day off which may be a help. Since she has been on it, her appetite has increased dramatically and she has gained 1.5 lbs which is a lot for a 6 pounder. She seems to have the same level of energy and she seems content and craves attention (which she gets, constantly). She does not have a fever and I don't think chills. I would think that if she were nauseous that her appetite would be affected. We've managed to bring her back from the brink, and I had thought the Interferon (in moderation) was helping her maintain her gains. You've caused me to rethink this protocol Michael, although since we have gotten her past the three year hurdle I am reluctant to make changes. Jane On Sep 29, 2009, at 6:00 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: This is very very low dose - and has to be oral, apparently to hit the back of the throat. I had good luck with it, but when it was withheld, like I said, things didn't go well. My kitties showed no apparent side effects. But many people have and are using that protocol, someone oughta research it. Regards Gloria On Sep 29, 2009, at 10:24 AM, Second Chance Meows wrote: my suggestion is to do some research on it. Interferon is used to fight forms of cancer, and is considered to be chemo. side effects include: loss of weight, nausea,hair loss, heart issues, pain, chills,temperature, and many others. I know your talking about low doses of it but anything that is placed into these little bodies that has the power to kill not only the bad cells BUT THE GOOD ONES TOO can not be good for them. their systems are compromised already. JUST MY OPINION. before you make the decision to give this to the cat...look into your own heart and ask is this for the cat..or for yourself?? will this really improve the quality of its life or just prolong the agony its going thru or create more agony,stress for it? Michael Johnson Founder/Owner Second Chance Meows A FeLV Sanctuary From: Esther Jorda estherjo...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 8:56:10 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Xana, FelV positive - interferon? Dear Michael, Congratulations for your old kitty and thanks for your sanctuary. Actually vets recommend me to put xana under low dose of interferon (via oral) ... they do not agree if human alfa or feline omega some of them say one some of them the other... *Can you, please, give some advice aboud side effects??* You can be sure Xana has all my love. The problem is that actually she is not living with me. My home is a sort of urban shelter where live 24... too much cats... too much riscs... Xana needs a clean and quite environment... A friend gave me the opportunity, Xana is living in her appartment. She has to go to work, and so do I... So, Xana is alone all the day... I go as often as I can... 1-2 times daily... I spend with Xana 2-3 hours every night... unfortunately she can not sleep with me... I must go home, when others need me too... Speedy (my oldest baby) will be 20 y.o. He is at the end of his life... with CRF, IBD... I want to care him until the end Best regards, Esther ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] eye (pupils) changes and transport
Lance, we'll keep Ember in our thoughts and prayers. When are you moving? Jane On Sep 28, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Lance wrote: Ember had a good vet visit. I wish I could convey everything that the vet said. He doesn't know what's causing the situation. We decided to send out for a toxo titer, despite the lack of lesions when he looked into her eye. He also gave me some symptoms to watch for if this is actually something serious, which include third eyelid showing, lower lid drooping, mouth slacking and some drooling, and of course, the disparity between the pupils getting worse. Please keep Ember in your thoughts and prayers. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] eye (pupils) changes and transport
that sounds like a good plan. Hopefully you'll have figured out what's going on with her now and will have time to get her back on the DMG to give her immune system a boost before the trip. We're thinking of her, keep us posted. Jane On Sep 28, 2009, at 7:41 PM, Lance wrote: Not really sure. I'm hoping for mid-October, though that's getting pretty close and I still haven't found a place. We'll see. I'd like to move in first, then come back to retrieve Ember after things are settled, so she doesn't have to endure the craziness of moving stuff in and unpacking. On Sep 28, 2009, at 6:10 PM, Jane Lyons wrote: Lance, we'll keep Ember in our thoughts and prayers. When are you moving? Jane On Sep 28, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Lance wrote: Ember had a good vet visit. I wish I could convey everything that the vet said. He doesn't know what's causing the situation. We decided to send out for a toxo titer, despite the lack of lesions when he looked into her eye. He also gave me some symptoms to watch for if this is actually something serious, which include third eyelid showing, lower lid drooping, mouth slacking and some drooling, and of course, the disparity between the pupils getting worse. Please keep Ember in your thoughts and prayers. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] eye (pupils) changes and transport
Lance it is great to hear from you. I realized that you were MIA a while ago and was hoping that Ember was ok. I've not had experience with the pupil anomaly but MC's advise about a vet check sounds right since her wbc was low. She might be fighting an infection. Also, Laurie's travel advice is right on. Keep her warm and let her know that you are right with her. Putting her back on DMG will hopefully build up her immunity before the trip. We'll be thinking of the two of you ...hoping it is a good move and not stressful for either of you. Keep us posted! Jane On Sep 24, 2009, at 8:42 PM, Lance wrote: Hello List, It's been a long time since I've posted anything, and I must admit that I haven't been keeping up with posts for quite awhile. Some of you may remember that I have an FeLV+ named Ember. She's still with me, though I have noticed something different lately, and I have another question about transporting her. In the last week or so, I've noted that Ember's pupils are sometimes not the same size. I did a search for anisocoria and found nothing in the archives. Has anyone seen this occur in their cats? It seems to be similar to how headaches are in people... could be just normal stuff all the way up to being a really serious issue. The articles seem to indicate that this can happen with viral infections like FeLV, but other than low wbc, there aren't any symptoms. It doesn't really make sense. Ember's last CBC had an especially low white blood cell count... I think it was 4.2. She's been on interferon ever since testing positive in 2006, and while I'd taken her off DMG, she's going back on it as soon as I get my shipment. Also, it looks like I'm going to be moving back to Madison, Wisconsin. I'm trying to figure out the best way to get Ember to our new home. I'm willing to pay to fly the both of us up (with her being in the cabin with me), but I'm wondering if anyone has any other ideas or tips they'd be willing to share. I know that transport is frequently done by so many of you, which is why I ask this here. My best to all of you and your cats, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Autumn Update
No, because she is unwilling to talk to vets who have used it with success. She thinks they are either shilling for the company or are not practicing ethically. I actually think my vet is gifted and will continue to use her for my Scotties. She has tried a variety of 'out of the box' remedies for MeMe and I think she feels defeated by Felv. I am the one who is willing to pay for a wing and a prayer and I only ask that she is open to a remote possibility, and she is not. To date, I have brought MeMe back from the brink with her help, and I will continue to use Interferon and the remedies that she has recommended, but I want to have access to every bag of tricks, if and when I need them. I understand and respect your position, MC. Jane On Sep 8, 2009, at 12:33 PM, MaryChristine wrote: so you're dumping your vet because she's acting in a professional manner? On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Jane Lyons j.ly...@mindspring.com wrote: This is such great news about Autumn and hopefully good news for all of our kitties. Please keep us updated on her progress. I want to be able to keep these reports for my vet (about to be former vet) who has been so adamant about the lack of testing and science and so hostile to the Imulan company. Jane On Sep 7, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Alice Flowers wrote: I am so glad to hear that she is holding her own! I have asked my vet if she would consider trying the Imulan and she agreed. She has set up her account with them last week and hopefully will be able to place an order in the next week. Since rescuing 5 feral kittens last year (Oct 08) plus a bonus FeLV that was tossed into the feral colony, we have lost the 4 brothers in the past 5 months, only one barely made it to a year old. We still have the tabby sister, Rosie and the bonus kitty-Murphy. We had attempted a transfusion with the second one, with not so good results-he was euthanized after having a reaction during the procedure. We quit counting after 6 grand. This has been a long, heartbreaking journey. With only the 2 cats left and they are just a tad over a year old, we can't give up. Reading about Autumn has given us hope that there is something out there that will help. We already are giving the Interferon Alpha 2x a day. Rosie and Murphy appear healthy, bright and shiny, playful-but so did her brothers until they just crashed fast. Maybe in Rosie's case it may be the female gene-her mother is still alive and feral, we TNR'd he last year and she has always appeared healthy-in fact since her spay, has become filled out and relaxed-we can even pet her on occaison. I have so much hope that the Imulan will help us-we are going to follow the once a week for a month on the injections and see where how it goes. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
Sally I hope Jenny sees this post. You might send another post with Jenny/ Autumn in the subject. I also hope that you can get your boy through this scary time until your vet opens on Tuesday. I hope you can get help for him. Jaane On Sep 6, 2009, at 1:37 PM, S. Jewell wrote: Hi, All, I'm new to this and not exactly sure how it works, but I desperately need to speak personally to Jenny, who recently posted about her FeLV kitty Autumn and her improvement with the transfusion, Ambrotose and the Imulan injection (I presume that's what it was). I am treating one of my FeLV boys right now who is not eating and has been hospitalized for a few days with low lymphocyte count and mild anemia. He came home yesterday after being on fluids for his fever for several days at the vet. He got his first LTCI injection yesterday before he came home and he's a bit feverish again and not eating. My vet doesn't open again until Tuesday and I am worried. I am preparing to buy the Acemannan, which I presume is a similar product to Ambrotose, but I would really love to speak with Jenny about the transfusion process and what Autumn's state was before the transfusion and how she responded. I apologize if this is the wrong way to go about this but again, this is all new to me. My Lukey boy is my first FeLV cat to become sick and it came up so suddenly that it has thrown us for a loop. We are beyond heart sick and desperate to help me in any additional ways such as transfusion, etc. Thanks. Sally Jewell 502-363-1002 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Autumn Update
This is such great news about Autumn and hopefully good news for all of our kitties. Please keep us updated on her progress. I want to be able to keep these reports for my vet (about to be former vet) who has been so adamant about the lack of testing and science and so hostile to the Imulan company. Jane On Sep 7, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Alice Flowers wrote: I am so glad to hear that she is holding her own! I have asked my vet if she would consider trying the Imulan and she agreed. She has set up her account with them last week and hopefully will be able to place an order in the next week. Since rescuing 5 feral kittens last year (Oct 08) plus a bonus FeLV that was tossed into the feral colony, we have lost the 4 brothers in the past 5 months, only one barely made it to a year old. We still have the tabby sister, Rosie and the bonus kitty-Murphy. We had attempted a transfusion with the second one, with not so good results-he was euthanized after having a reaction during the procedure. We quit counting after 6 grand. This has been a long, heartbreaking journey. With only the 2 cats left and they are just a tad over a year old, we can't give up. Reading about Autumn has given us hope that there is something out there that will help. We already are giving the Interferon Alpha 2x a day. Rosie and Murphy appear healthy, bright and shiny, playful-but so did her brothers until they just crashed fast. Maybe in Rosie's case it may be the female gene-her mother is still alive and feral, we TNR'd he last year and she has always appeared healthy-in fact since her spay, has become filled out and relaxed-we can even pet her on occaison. I have so much hope that the Imulan will help us-we are going to follow the once a week for a month on the injections and see where how it goes. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan and Autumn update
Jenny it is wonderful to hear that Autumn is recovering. I am praying that TCLI will get her through this. We'll all be waiting for her progress reports. I know that many vets are suspicious of treatments outside of their parameters. My vet was turned off Imulan by their inability to give her data on clinical trials. If Autumn continues to improve and recover from deaths door, we will all celebrate with you and there will be hope for all our cats. Jane On Aug 31, 2009, at 11:24 AM, jbero tds.net wrote: Hello everyone, I wanted to give you an update on Autumn and the TCLI injection (Imulan). When I brought her to the emergency center last Tuesday, she was starting with respiratory distress and crying out. Her hematocrit was 4%. She was on her way out. She got the transfusion - they called me about 1/4 of the way through and told me they didn't think she'd make it. She did. Since she's been home, each day her energy is improving. I got the second injection of TCLI and administered it on Saturday. Everyday she's looking better. She's sitting up, walking and drinking independently. This may only be the effects of the transfusion, so I am holding off judgement for now. I will be getting a CBC this week to see what we're dealing with. In the meantime, I am praying, and have her on Ambrotrose (a glycoprotein supplement thought to help in the fight against felv), vitamin supplements and intermittently transfer factor. She hemolyzed (destroyed) many of the red blood cells after the transfusion as she turned yellow (jaundice - secondary to breakdown of hemoglobin) but clinically her energy is improving and her alertness returning. I will keep you updated. I pray that there is hope in this injection. It seems to me that the science is pretty sound. Most vets aren't aware of this product and have a lot of suspicion surrounding any treatment to felv+. It is reasonable since their vet school training told them it was a fatal and untreatable disease. Most of us have experienced that first hand. I had to search long and hard to find a vet that could help me, but if you call Imulan directly they are happy to talk with you or your vet. I have nothing but good experiences with them so far. We shall see, good luck everyone. Jenny On 8/30/09, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in Sacramento and she agreed to order it for us. I want to try it because we lost the 4th kitty this morning-my son drove him to UC Davis emergency early this morning because he was struggling to breath and crying out. Out of the 5 kittens in the litter-Schatzi is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned a year old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a reaction to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to die-screamed out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the sister, Rosie and another cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the feral colony that the litter came from-he was positive also. So why do I want to try this product? I have HOPE that it may prolong Rosie and Murphy's lives- These 6 have been on antibiotics most of their lives-Finally now it's been a good month and a half without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have upped them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped- they just crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or years.that's great. We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we have cried rivers of tears, and spent over 6 grand-and we weren't cat people a year ago. How do we know it will work? We don'tbut if we don't try, no one will know. What I do know is that Rosie is due to die soon-being from the same litter, she is due to crash with anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE, otherwise I should just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy are racing up and down the hallway and up the cat trees right now-they are healthy (appearing), loving and happy. They are a year old-I think they deserve to live longer. Alice, Rosie and Murphy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan
This is the third time, in the two plus years that I have been on this list, that people have come on to talk about the benefit and promise of Imulan. Each time this has happened I have asked my vet, then a friends vet, and then just last week I went back to my original vet with the information that was posted here. Each time I have been told, emphatically that ( to quote MC ) the science is not there. My vet has called Imulan twice and each time she has been turned off by the lack of, to quote her 'transparency' and clinical data. If anyone who is using Imulan has a vet that my vet can talk to I would appreciate the information. Thanks Jane On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:11 PM, MaryChristine wrote: . promising is the word, in fact, it's the same word that the dept of agriculture uses. LCTI has been around for years before imulan bought it, and it's been promising for all that time. i think it'd be GREAT if it works, but when you have something that's not proven, you don't run out and put it on the open market priced and promoted as if it were proven. that's my objection: it's too early, the science isn't there, and if they REALLY thought they had the answer to the FeLV problem, they'd be doing major clinical trials that every scientist in the country could believe in. and people don't have to pay to be in clinical trials, nor do they have to pay for the testing involved to see how things are going. think how many FeLV parents would willingly partake in actual clinical trials if they weren't priced out of the option--and then imulan could get real data. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IMULAN
I can really understand your desperation, Alice. I really hope the Imulan works. We'll be waiting for your updates and hoping that Rosie and Murphy live a very long life. Jane On Aug 30, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Alice Flowers wrote: After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in Sacramento and she agreed to order it for us. I want to try it because we lost the 4th kitty this morning-my son drove him to UC Davis emergency early this morning because he was struggling to breath and crying out. Out of the 5 kittens in the litter-Schatzi is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned a year old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a reaction to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to die-screamed out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the sister, Rosie and another cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the feral colony that the litter came from-he was positive also. So why do I want to try this product? I have HOPE that it may prolong Rosie and Murphy's lives-These 6 have been on antibiotics most of their lives-Finally now it's been a good month and a half without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have upped them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped- they just crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or years.that's great. We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we have cried rivers of tears, and spent over 6 grand-and we weren't cat people a year ago. How do we know it will work? We don'tbut if we don't try, no one will know. What I do know is that Rosie is due to die soon-being from the same litter, she is due to crash with anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE, otherwise I should just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy are racing up and down the hallway and up the cat trees right now- they are healthy (appearing), loving and happy. They are a year old- I think they deserve to live longer. Alice, Rosie and Murphy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IMULAN
I've gotten MeMe past the three year hurdle using Interferon alpha, DMG and a raw diet. Considering how sick she was when we got her, every day is a miracle. Jane On Aug 30, 2009, at 3:18 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: I do that too - try things to see what works, when they sound possible and likely. When they can't breathe, due to mediastinal lymphoma, I have the fluid drawn off, and after that it's up for grabs - have treated each one differently. One of them, Mittens, I treated that way, and the vet treated him with Vincristine (chemotherapy) for a few weeks. He had transfusions too. He died quietly of anemia, most likely. Course there are different types of FELV that morph into different symptoms and problems. I have one friend who has had hers on oral interferon alpha daily, and kitty has made it past 3 years, think is now 5 or 6. Thanks for your email, Gloria On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:54 PM, Alice Flowers wrote: After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in Sacramento and she agreed to order it for us. I want to try it because we lost the 4th kitty this morning-my son drove him to UC Davis emergency early this morning because he was struggling to breath and crying out. Out of the 5 kittens in the litter-Schatzi is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned a year old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a reaction to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to die-screamed out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the sister, Rosie and another cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the feral colony that the litter came from-he was positive also. So why do I want to try this product? I have HOPE that it may prolong Rosie and Murphy's lives-These 6 have been on antibiotics most of their lives-Finally now it's been a good month and a half without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have upped them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped- they just crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or years.that's great. We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we have cried rivers of tears, and spent over 6 grand-and we weren't cat people a year ago. How do we know it will work? We don'tbut if we don't try, no one will know. What I do know is that Rosie is due to die soon-being from the same litter, she is due to crash with anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE, otherwise I should just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy are racing up and down the hallway and up the cat trees right now-they are healthy (appearing), loving and happy. They are a year old-I think they deserve to live longer. Alice, Rosie and Murphy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan - a t cell lymphocytic immunomodulator
I appreciate your input Jenny. I first heard about Imulan when I joined this list, two years ago, with a symptomatic Felv cat. At the time many of the list members were suspicious of the company that had recently purchased Imulan because they had terminated an on going, limited, research study. I was desperate at the time and asked my vet to look into getting Imulan for me. She called the company and was very discouraged by their lack of transparency and she discouraged me from pursuing it. I managed to treat my cat with supplements and homeopathy and was able to get her to a place where her quality of life was good, although I was never able to rid her completely of stomatitis. I started using interferon about 8 months ago and she has been able to maintain a fairly stable (other than flare ups of stomatitis) quality of health. Her appetite is good and while she is thin she has been able to gain and hold a bit of weight. Like you, I will do anything to help her from 'fading into death' and would be very willing to try Imulan if I can find a vet who knows about it and is willing to help me. I am really happy to hear that you are giving it a try. I hope it helps your kitty and appreciate your willingness to share your experience with us. Hoping that your kitty responds to it. Jane On Aug 25, 2009, at 2:56 PM, jbero tds.net wrote: Mary Christine, I appreciate your skepticism. I am a pathology resident in human medicine and have no affiliation or connection with imulan. I am simply a cat lover who has lost two felv+ cats to this disease. It is devastating. I have seen them be happy, energetic, wonderful, loving cats and then watched them fade into thin, weak shells of their former selves. And then I have had to make the heart wrenching decision to put them down. I am entirely frustrated with the current mentality surrounding Felv + - the general idea that there are so many cats out there that we should just let these die. I have never been one who has been able to sit around and feel helpless when the ones I care about fade into death. I am not by any means saying ltci is the cure all answer to this disease. I am only saying that as of yet it is the most promising treatment out there. And if there is a chance I can help this little girl (and in the process countless others) I will do whatever is in my power to do it. I honestly have no idea if this will work or not and honestly last night I really doubted it. But she's still fighting and so I'll continue to pray and to fight with her. If this doesn't work, I will let all of you know. I just wanted to give you the information I had. Here's a thought, prior to the discovery of Penicillin countless people were dying from bacterial infections. Now it is so common place and so effective, you would be remiss to not use it. Every new treatment has skeptics and rightly so, but maybe this could actually help. If so, why not try it? And by the way, I did write this on my own, no prompting from anyone. I just saw a glimmer of hope and wanted to share. Thanks, Jenny On 8/25/09, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: personally, i will be far more likely to believe anything about LCTI when there is ADEQUATE research done on the product (the preliminary research was done with a statistically insignificant sample), there are independent findings that confirm the company's claims, and the treatment is fully approved. incidentally, i've heard that FeLVs are NOT tested with the IFA before treatment to ensure that they truly are positive to start with. imulan's website uses WIKIPEDIA as its source for FeLV information. I don't know if she'll pull through or not, but I have to tell you that this is currently the best option out there for treating this disease. I found some of the information on it. There is rapid and profound improvement of anemia, an increase in bone marrow activity and in some cases, return to normal with negative testing for the virus. I know there isn't a full proof cure out there but I have to say this may prove to be very helpful. The long terms studies are still pending. So here's the deal, if you have a felv+ with bone marrow suppression (including anemia - low red blood cells, thrombocytopenia - low platelets, neutropenia - low levels of neutrophils, or lymphopenia - low lymphocyte count) and may or may not have the associated infections; I highly recommend giving this a try.: this sounds like an advertisement, not at all what someone would actually write on their own. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] end of life decisions
Hi Laurie I have been composing a reply to your post for a long time. It is so difficult to know what the right time is. I think MC's advise; a day too early, rather than five minutes too late is the best I have ever heard. I am still wracked with the incredible guilt I felt in treating my 18 year old for arthritis when she in fact had a tumor at the base of her spine that was causing her lameness. The end of her life must have been so painful and I still have nightmares about it. I wish none of us ever had to make these decisions but a day too soon allows a dying cat some dignity, which is what they teach us. Jane On Aug 12, 2009, at 1:43 PM, Lorrie wrote: Hi Sharyl, I agree completely... I always start treatment on a sick cat. My CRF cat is hand fed (assist fed, not force fed) every 2 or three hours all day. He gets his meds, and I'll try fluids sub Q. when my vet feels he needs them. So far he is thriving, his coat has improved, he's gained weight and he is still enjoying life. What I meant was, I think the time comes when we have to acknowledge the fact that we can do no more for our cats. Trying to keep them alive when they are obviously dying is not right. Sorry if I came across wrong to anyone. By all means try treatments, but when the end is near let them go in peace. Lorrie On 08-12, Sharyl wrote: Lorrie, Just a comment about CRF kitties. My Pequita was dx with CRF over 3 yrs ago. She'll be 17 this Oct. She has been on meds and daily sub q fluids for most of those 3 yrs. I assist feed her several times per day. She will only eat from a baby spoon. I do the meds, feedings and fluids on her terms and she is doing fine. Often when a kitty crashed they are are very resistant to treatment. It is all new and strange for them. Once the person develops a treatment schedule things usually go a lot better. Like people, cats like to know what is going to happen and when it is going to happen. I just don't want people here to think that treating CRF or any chronic disease should not be attempted. Each kitty is unique and will respond to treatment plans differently. Often members of the CRF group are in a panic mode and are still dealing with a kitty in crisis. You don't know how yours will respond until you try. Whatever problem our beloved companions have we need to remember to love them and treasure each day we have together. Sharyl ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha
Hi Gloria I've been using it for about 6 months and have followed the directions given to me by Franck's Compounding, which is that it has a refrigerator life of 30 days for 60ml. I have been stretching that by giving it on one day and off the next. I wish I could help you, but I do know that Island is no longer compounding it. Jane On May 22, 2009, at 2:41 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: I was looking over the Island Pharmacy instructions for Interferon alpha. They say Interferon Alpha 2a is available as a human drug under the brand name “Roferon-A” (Roche). The smallest syringe is 3 million units per 0.5ml. To prepare a 30unit/ml oral solution, IPS first dilutes the Roferon in 1000ml of sterile saline. This first dilution is reported to be stable indefinitely when frozen. A second dilution reduces the concentration to 30 units per ml. This second dilution should not be frozen, but must be stored in the refrigerator. IPS labels the 30unit/ml dilution with a 90-day expiration date, thus a 50ml quantity is sufficient for 90 days when using the 7 days on, 7 days off schedule. The cost for this quantity is $40.00, plus shipping. I'd swear I've read of freezing the second dilution for later use - but they're saying it's not stable if you do that. Whatever that means. Any insight into that? Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] YIKES
Thanks very much Amy. They reopen on Monday and I have put a call into them. Here's hoping. Thanks again, Jane On Apr 24, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Amy Dalgliesh wrote: I too am new to this disease and discussion site, but unfortunately am having to take a crash course for multiple cats that I rescued from a dire situation last summer. I thought I would send this website along. I don't know what they might have to offer, but they do have a compounding section and say they can compound discontinued and unavailable drugs. http://centerpetpharmacy.com/ They responded very quickly to me the one time that I contacted them. Amy --- On Fri, 4/24/09, Jane Lyons j.ly...@mindspring.com wrote: From: Jane Lyons j.ly...@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] YIKES To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 4:41 PM thanks so much Laurie On Apr 24, 2009, at 4:08 PM, Laurieskatz wrote: I called the hospital pharmacy who sells it to my vet and she said they purchase it from a wholesaler. She either would not or did not provide the name. It took me about 5 people to get to someone who would answer my question. I will forward to another friend who gets it from another vet and ask her source. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 3:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] YIKES it is the human one that some of us use and I am hoping that someone has a resource other than Franck's . Thanks Laurie Jane On Apr 24, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Laurieskatz wrote: Is the alpha the expensive interferon or is it the human one that some of us use? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 7:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] YIKES I have been following the horror story about the 21 horses in Florida who died mysteriously before a polo match. It has been discovered that the cause of death was a 'supplement' given mistakingly by FRANCKS COMPOUNDING LAB in Ocala Florida. Not only is this tragic for the poor, innocent horses, we have been using Franck's for Interferon Alpha for MeMe. I cannot imagine that Franck's will survive this error. I was told that they took over from Island Pharmacy for compounding Interferon. Does anyone have another source? My vet follows my leads on this and does not have a clue. I'd appreciate any information on this. I buy it monthly and have just 10 days left in this vial. Thanks Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] why are my messages being held?
I just sent a post asking for 'life saving' information from the list. There was another post that was held by the moderator yesterday that again, had to do with the treatment and well being of a FELV cat. Please tell me what is going on. Jane Lyons ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Fwd: Your message to Felvtalk awaits moderator approval
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[Felvtalk] Fwd: Your message to Felvtalk awaits moderator approval
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[Felvtalk] YIKES
I have been following the horror story about the 21 horses in Florida who died mysteriously before a polo match. It has been discovered that the cause of death was a 'supplement' given mistakingly by FRANCKS COMPOUNDING LAB in Ocala Florida. Not only is this tragic for the poor, innocent horses, we have been using Franck's for Interferon Alpha for MeMe. I cannot imagine that Franck's will survive this error. I was told that they took over from Island Pharmacy for compounding Interferon. Does anyone have another source? My vet follows my leads on this and does not have a clue. I'd appreciate any information on this. I buy it monthly and have just 10 days left in this vial. Thanks Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] YIKES
it is the human one that some of us use and I am hoping that someone has a resource other than Franck's . Thanks Laurie Jane On Apr 24, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Laurieskatz wrote: Is the alpha the expensive interferon or is it the human one that some of us use? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 7:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] YIKES I have been following the horror story about the 21 horses in Florida who died mysteriously before a polo match. It has been discovered that the cause of death was a 'supplement' given mistakingly by FRANCKS COMPOUNDING LAB in Ocala Florida. Not only is this tragic for the poor, innocent horses, we have been using Franck's for Interferon Alpha for MeMe. I cannot imagine that Franck's will survive this error. I was told that they took over from Island Pharmacy for compounding Interferon. Does anyone have another source? My vet follows my leads on this and does not have a clue. I'd appreciate any information on this. I buy it monthly and have just 10 days left in this vial. Thanks Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] YIKES
thanks so much Laurie On Apr 24, 2009, at 4:08 PM, Laurieskatz wrote: I called the hospital pharmacy who sells it to my vet and she said they purchase it from a wholesaler. She either would not or did not provide the name. It took me about 5 people to get to someone who would answer my question. I will forward to another friend who gets it from another vet and ask her source. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 3:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] YIKES it is the human one that some of us use and I am hoping that someone has a resource other than Franck's . Thanks Laurie Jane On Apr 24, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Laurieskatz wrote: Is the alpha the expensive interferon or is it the human one that some of us use? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 7:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] YIKES I have been following the horror story about the 21 horses in Florida who died mysteriously before a polo match. It has been discovered that the cause of death was a 'supplement' given mistakingly by FRANCKS COMPOUNDING LAB in Ocala Florida. Not only is this tragic for the poor, innocent horses, we have been using Franck's for Interferon Alpha for MeMe. I cannot imagine that Franck's will survive this error. I was told that they took over from Island Pharmacy for compounding Interferon. Does anyone have another source? My vet follows my leads on this and does not have a clue. I'd appreciate any information on this. I buy it monthly and have just 10 days left in this vial. Thanks Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I'm new here...
Hi Judy We all know what a heartbreak a Felv diagnosis is, but as all of us on this list know, there is always hope. Have you tried Nutri-cal? Although I have never used it, I have heard it described as a highly caloric paste that is used to help cats maintain weight and also to stimulate their appetite. I have a 3 year old who was diagnosed when we got her when she was around a year. She was highly symptomatic (URI, swollen glands, chronic diarrhea, stomatitis etc) and it took several months for her to recover, but she has and she is living an (almost) normal and active life. If you can get help with his eating issues, there is always hope that he will recover and begin to feel like a 'normal' kittie. There is always hope and there are people on this list who have cats who are living far beyond statistics. Hoping Wilson Combat can recover. Jane On Apr 23, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Judy Eaton wrote: This is my introductory note to you guys. I am Judy Eaton and live in Richland, Oregon, a tiny, remote farming community. I am a lifelong animal lover, especially of cats, and have owned many. Currently, I have an 11 month old grey tabby, Wilson Combat, who is fel leuk positive. I found out about the diagnosis when I had him neutered at 5 months, and last weekend had him checked again, due to lethargy, no appetite, and third eyelid over one eye. He is still positive. His blood was checked, and actually his count was pretty good. However, he still isn't eating, and just moping around. I have offered him every kitty treat I can think of( cooked chicken, hamburger, tuna), with no luck. He purrs, and looks good,no vomiting or diarrhea, but the anorexia has to lead to major weight loss. Do these cats get better and then worse in cycles? I would suspect that. I am an RN and have had comparable experiences with people with devastating diagnoses, and guessed that this cat's case may be similar. I am so sad about all this, and I guess I just need some support! We are letting him go outside. He has his own kitty door...We are very isolated, and my husband and I want him to be as happy as he can be. I know the risks. Thanks! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I'm new here...
Hi Karen I would be interested ( as would everyone on this list) in knowing about the success you have had in treating Felv. Are you representing or connected in anyway with Immulan ? Thanks Jane On Apr 23, 2009, at 6:32 PM, Karen Griffith wrote: Judy, Sorry to hear about your Wilson's test results. You will receive much good advise from the members here. I am an Animal Scientist/ Animal Nutritionist from Ohio State University. Feel free to call me at 740-992-5782. I have had much success with FELV+ kitties and can speak with you personally and fill you in on what I have found to be the best protocol / support / treatment options. (This offer also goes to anyone on the list that would like some help. For those wondering about the Immulan, I have one client using it with additional treatments with success. Did not have the luck she had hoped for with it alone.) Looking forward to speaking with you. The best time to reach me is after 9 pm EST. Karen Griffith - Original Message - From: Judy Eaton jude...@yahoo.com To: Feline leukemia felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:57 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] I'm new here... This is my introductory note to you guys. I am Judy Eaton and live in Richland, Oregon, a tiny, remote farming community. I am a lifelong animal lover, especially of cats, and have owned many. Currently, I have an 11 month old grey tabby, Wilson Combat, who is fel leuk positive. I found out about the diagnosis when I had him neutered at 5 months, and last weekend had him checked again, due to lethargy, no appetite, and third eyelid over one eye. He is still positive. His blood was checked, and actually his count was pretty good. However, he still isn't eating, and just moping around. I have offered him every kitty treat I can think of( cooked chicken, hamburger, tuna), with no luck. He purrs, and looks good,no vomiting or diarrhea, but the anorexia has to lead to major weight loss. Do these cats get better and then worse in cycles? I would suspect that. I am an RN and have had comparable experiences with people with devastating diagnoses, and guessed that this cat's case may be similar. I am so sad about all this, and I guess I just need some support! We are letting him go outside. He has his own kitty door...We are very isolated, and my husband and I want him to be as happy as he can be. I know the risks. Thanks! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Immulin
Hi Kerry I think that MC and Lance know something about it. If you go to the other Felv group, Sheila Smith's husband is a vet in Austin,Tx and he has been giving it to his Felv cats for quite a while. He was available to talk to vets who were interested in using it. She would be able to update you on the results he has had with it. My vet was turned off by Immulan's website. Apparently the company had been sold recently and the original clinical trials were discontinued and the current owners were not forthcoming with information. My vet was not interested in working with them, and I dropped it because MeMe was doing well with Interferon. I wish I had more information to share, but if you track down Sheila Smith, you should get some current information. Jane On Apr 22, 2009, at 4:48 PM, Kerry MacKenzie wrote: Dear all, Does anyone have any experience in treating FeLV kitts with Immulin? My FelV foster's new forever mom just sent me the email extract below from her ex (who also adopts FeLV kitts). She is looking for any info on Immulin. I wonder if it's akin to Immuno Regulin, or even IR itself, re-packaged for cats (as opposed to dogs and horses)? I wonder about this guy being taken for a ride---even unintentionally--by his vet, as it sounds pricy. I've been trying to research on the web with no success. I've also been unable to dig up any more info on Immuno Regulin other than what I already read several years ago--mainly 2 articles by vets supporting use of IR by Dr Mike Lies, and Dr Karen Thomas, respectively. Immulin - appears to be a scientific breakthrough that I am excited about. Results have been incredible. Its a boost to the immune system that in many cases has helped them to beat their diseases. The only issue is cost. It is a very expensive and intensive program. I am also uncertain about the stress of making him go to the vet so often and taking the shots themselves. Doctor thinks pros outway cons by far, I am a little less convinced of that but still excited about the possibilities here. Any info on Immulin, or (more up to date) info on IR would be very welcome. Incidentally, one Google result showed an email from a guy that said Dr Karen Thomas' experiences were available on Jim's website. He may mean this website -- James's -- but I've never seen anything from a Dr Karen Thomas here?? Hugs to all and good health wishes to all your kitts, Kerry M. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tora maybe got the beginnings of lymphoma
Hi Amanda My kittie had very swollen glands when we first got her. It took quite awhile for them to return to normal. I do not remember exactly how long it took, but it must have been several months before they were completely normal. They were in her neck and were very enlarged (the size of walnuts). She too has stomatitis. Our vet used antibiotics and we got her on a good diet and used DMG, l-lysine, Transfer Factor, and anything that we could think of to help her immune system. That was over two years ago. She is still thin, and her mouth fluctuates from inflamed to almost normal, but she eats well, is energetic and is living ( as I perceive her) a happy, contented life. It sounds as if you are doing everything you can to help Tora. I think that your vet is right about waiting to neuter him. That would be a stress that he doesn't seem up to. I hope that you are dealing with an infection and not lymphoma. We had no idea what we were facing and it took time for her to recover. I hope that Tora will recover too. Please keep us posted. Jane On Apr 14, 2009, at 7:16 AM, amanda wrote: Hi all, I went to the vets with tora last week for a check up before getting him neutered and his lymp nodes under his jaw were still swollen from his FeLV related stomatitis. The vet gave us some antibiotics for one week, when we went back yesterday his lymp nodes in his neck were a tiny bit better but one lymp node in his back left leg is swollen, which wasn't swollen last week!! He hasn't got a fever and he hasn't lost any weight, though he's always been slim. We suspect it to be the begining of lymphoma, I will take him in tomorrow for interferon injection x 5 days in a row, will it help? it did last time when he only had the neck lymp nodes swollen. I want to start something natural to help slow down the growth. I already am adding CoQ10, DMG, immunoplex to his diet, he's been on a raw diet since last December, I also added Mega C plus ,My husband is also doing accupunture for him, Is there anything else that I can try? what has worked for your kitties? My husband told me to try ginseng, the korean one , which I mixed with liquid organic royal jelly and some water, has anyone tried that? tora doesn't act sick, he runs around with his siblings and and while outside dueing the day in the garden will often catch birds. i wanted to get him neutered, but the vet doesn't think it's a good time, what shall I do? wait? any advice would be greatly appreciated!! hugs and purrs Amanda and the 3 tabby cats and Angel Silver chan. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Has anyone here used Vetricine for immune boosting
I noticed when we were giving MeMe interferon daily that she became lethargic and slept a lot. We are now alternating one day on and one day off and I think that is working very well. I would tend to believe your cat before your vet. Jane On Apr 14, 2009, at 8:34 PM, souther...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/14/2009 5:55:11 PM Central Daylight Time, gbl...@aristotle.net writes: If it were making one of my cats sick, I'd probably just lower the dose, but that's just a gut reaction. Might discuss it with the vet, of course, or research it a bit. well, I did. My vet just insists that it can't be what is causing him to be sick on those days. He swears it must be a coincidence but it happens EVERY TIME, after about 3 days of interferon. He says it just doesn't make them sick. Sidney ** Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html? ncid=emlcntusdown0002) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FelV Vaccines
Hi Lorrie This is probably a controversial opinion, but if they are indoor cats I would not vaccinate them. I read the book 'Vaccinations for Dogs and Cats' by C Diodoti a few years ago (she is vaccine researcher) and I have become very cautious and conservative about vaccinations. If you want to understand the relationship between many veterinarians and pharmaceutical companies and why overvaccination has become a major health problem, I would recommend the book. IMHO Jane On Mar 30, 2009, at 5:11 PM, Lorrie wrote: Oh wow, we're talking big bux here, as I have 14 permanent cats at home :-( I just wondered if anyone knew if the vaccine would hurt my cats if they were positive, but asymptomatic. I'll ask my vet tomorrow, but I value the opinions of the people in this group as much as any vet's opinion. And besides the vet stands to make a lot more money by testing each cat, so might insist or the tests. Lorrie On 03-30, Sharyl wrote: Lorrie, JMO but if they have never been vaccinated I'd have them tested before getting the vaccine. Sharyl --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccines To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: feral_c...@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 1:21 PM -Inline Attachment Follows- I have several cats who are 5+ years old, and all tested FelV negative years ago when I adopted them.? However they are inside - outside cats, and are also exposed to rescued cats I bring home to be adopted out. These cats also tested neg.? but there is always that window area where FelV may not show up yet or the test may be inaccurate I want to have my home cats vaccinated for FelV just in case. Please give me some info. on this.. Do I need to retest them all first, or is it safe to give them the vaccine without testing them. They all appear to be in excellent health, but if they should be pos. would the vaccine hurt them?? Thanks for your help, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Bob to the bridge list
So sorry that you have lost sweet Bob, Gloria. He was lucky to have found you. May he rest in peace. Jane -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Bob to the bridge list Bob was a wonderful little gray tabby FELV boy that I took in from a couple here who rescue cats. He was found at a truck stop on the highway, all alone, last November, and such a sweetie! But then he tested positive for FELV. The folks who brought him to me were just devastated, just loved him so much, as I did.They thought he was not quite a year old, and we were all hoping he'd make it longer. Bob was fine - eating heartily, playful - until March. He became lethargic and the vet said he was severely anemic. He got a blood transfusion, and was on prednisone, pettinic, etc. But just couldn't make it back from his sickness. He died the early morning of March 17, 2009, and with St Patrick's help went to the Rainbow Bridge where he was greeted by all our other sweet feline kitties. Sleep soft sweet Bob. Gentle thoughts to all of you who have lost little ones, it helps so much having others out there. Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanizing FELV+ cats in shelters
As I type this, my male Scottie is lying flat on his back (legs straight up) in a pool of sunshine. My Felv+ cat is sitting on his chest washing her face. It is moments like these when I thank god that my vet was conscious and knew that this sick kitten stood a chance. That was two years ago and since then she has lived a blissful existence. I wish that every positive cat had the chance to live their own path. She, too, is a wonderful experience. The cats in the shelter where I volunteer are not feral.? They are/ were someone's pets, at least they appear to have been around humans during the time as kittens when they adapt to human interaction.? Some were dropped, and some are brought in.? But if the cat is FeLV+ the shelter won't take a surrender.? It's the strays that are found that are FeLV+ that are euthanized. I am hoping to change that thought process, at least delay it a bit.? My guy was a stray. I'd NEVER had a cat before.? I ended up keeping my guy, who I now can't imagine being without, because I couldn't find a no kill shelter who would accept him.? I had a hard time finding a place to even board him until I found a cat only vet who now is his vet and where I board him when I have to go out of town.? So my little mission is to try to educate folks on the joys of a FeLV+ cat.? Had General tested negative, he wouldn't be living with me, and I'd have missed a wonderful experience in my life. Sidney and the General ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction
Thank you Jennifer (and your husband) for the work that you are doing and for joining the group. I know that hospice/rescues like yours are needed in every community in this country. It is wonderful that you are able to give love and care to these special cats. I am sure you have a unique understanding of this virus and how it progresses, living with so many affected cats. Are most of the cats in your home symptomatic ? Have you any who are dealing with stomatitis? Do you have a vet who helps you with Felv issues? I would love to hear more about your rescue and about the 13 kitties who are with you now. Thank you again for the work that you are doing. Jane mem On Mar 22, 2009, at 12:17 PM, martinj...@verizon.net wrote: My name is Jennifer Reihart and I run a hospice center/rescue for cats with FeLv. I have been doing it for over 6 years and have gotten cats from all over the eastern US. OH, NY, NJ, PA, NC, and even as far as Texas. We have a huge house, and take in cats from different areas, and various backgrounds and give them a place to call home. I am independent, my husband and I do this on our own, and out of love for these special cats. They have free run of the home, and get lots of love and attention. We currently have 13, and they all have their own space, however at night our bed is covered in cats. I have gotten several cats from FeLv.org and have given them a loving home. We have had 3 live past 9, most live until 5 or 6, we have one that is 7. We don't do anything special, they get good cat food, wet in the morning-dry throughout the day. But what I think is our secret to having them live longer is lots of love. they are all used to being petted, kissed, and made over. Each one has it's own special personality, that's what I love about cats, no two are the same. I just wanted to introduce myself to the group. We have worked a little with the Marley fund in NC, but mostly we take cats from various rescue groups and individuals who are desperate to find a good home for their cats. We do insist they bring the cat's here so that they can see the love and attention we give the cats. This set's their mind at ease, and makes the transition easier. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Talkative Felv Cats
That is true for me, Sue. My positive is the most wonderful cat I have ever known. Not only is she sweet, she is fearless. She walks on a leash with the dogs and is the leader of the pack. Often we have to wait while she takes tree brakes (she can run up and down a tree with the agility of a squirrel ). I use a retractable leash so that she has some space. (I could write about her for hours). I do not know if it has anything to do with her positive status, but she seems to relish life. When we first got her she was very sick and she still attempted to play. Now that she is feeling well, she is relentless. It gives me so much pleasure to care for herit really has been a privilege. Jane On Mar 12, 2009, at 7:46 AM, Sue Frank Koren wrote: There are times that I have wondered if there is something going on with FeLV+ cats personalities. It seems that I have a closer bond with my positives then with the other cats. Also, the FIV/FeLV room where I volunteer seems to have the friendliest most loveable cats. I suppose that could be because nobody ever adopts them. :( I have never head of any relationship between FeLV and dementia. Sue Maria Ianiro mian...@gmail.com wrote: So I was just wondering if having a very vocal cat is related at all to feline leukemia. I've never had a cat as talkative as my Felv+ kitty Bernie. Besids when he is sleeping, eating or looking out the window... he is making noises. Maybe this is normal, I don't know. In the back of my mind I was thinking about the dementia that is sometimes realted with Felv+ cats. Thanks ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Talkative Felv Cats
Sue I Googled walking jackets for cats and ordered one of these http://www.hdw-inc.com/walkingjackets.htm I use a retractable dog leash and off we go. In nice weather I hook her leash to an outdoor shed and she will spend hours hiding in tall grass watching the birdbath. I make sure I am around because she can get tangled or is vulnerable to any number of things. The Scotties watch out for her. If she wraps herself around something they usually bark. I wish we could post photos. I have some great ones with MeMe in her jacket. Jane Jane, your cat sounds like she has a great personality. I wonder if I should try leash training some of mine. Tweezer is my kitty who loves life. He was kept in a cage for months before I got him, and was very underweight and sickly. Now it is almost as if he celebrates every day! When you say that you could write about her for hours I completely understand. Sue Jane Lyons j.ly...@mindspring.com wrote: That is true for me, Sue. My positive is the most wonderful cat I have ever known. Not only is she sweet, she is fearless. She walks on a leash with the dogs and is the leader of the pack. Often we have to wait while she takes tree brakes (she can run up and down a tree with the agility of a squirrel ). I use a retractable leash so that she has some space. (I could write about her for hours). I do not know if it has anything to do with her positive status, but she seems to relish life. When we first got her she was very sick and she still attempted to play. Now that she is feeling well, she is relentless. It gives me so much pleasure to care for herit really has been a privilege. Jane Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hurts to say no.
It is so sad Sue. It is especially sad that her owner will not give her a chance. Maybe your vet will find a place for her. Sending some angels your way. Jane On Mar 9, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Sue Frank Koren wrote: My vet just called me about a little kitty with anemia that was just diagnosed positive for FeLV. The owner wants her euthanized. My vet thinks it may be a hemobart situation and she could have a chance. He asked me if I would take her and I had to say no. I have two positives and five negatives now and hubby is at his limit. I still feel so sad for this little kitty. The place where I volunteer is the only place around that takes positive cats and I know they are over capacity now. :( Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] My Mickey
Dear Vicky What a heartbrake. I went through a hermangio sarcoma tsunami with a friend whose Scottie was diagnosed with it. It is the most dreadful and aggressive cancer and I can imagine how stressful the past 19 weeks have been for you and Mickey. I know what loosing a beloved cat feels like and I grieve with you. Jane On Feb 26, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Viky Digangi wrote: In October I joined the group requesting information on hemangio sarcoma which my felv cat was diagnosed with. Everything I read was bad. He had the first tumor removed on 10-13-08. It came back this time two tumors and they were removed on 1-6-09. This surgery was very, very difficult on him to get over. Then on 2-13-09 the vet discovered it had come back even more rapidly than the first time. x-rays showed nothing in the lungs or spleen but the liver was hard to see though not enlarged. This past Monday he stopped eating and drinking and I knew it was time. The next morning I took my heart disguised as a little 7 pound black and white angel to the vet for the final time. The night before I laid him on the bed next to me and he stared into my face purring for hours. The cancer had spread to his liver and I knew I could not stand for him be in pain. Before I took him to the vet I wrapped him in his cat blanket and walked him all over the yard so he could see his ducks and feel the air on his face. He loved to be outside. So from start to finish he lived 19 weeks from diagnosis. This is a deadly, aggressive cancer and I hope none of you experience it with your babies. I had my little man for 8 years and 7 months and they were worth every minute. Viky Digangi Support Enforcement Officer II Monroe Regional Office 318-362-5280 ext 297 Fax 318-362-3363 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Shots for Felv/Re Testing for Non Felv Cat
Hi Maria There is a current, non profit research project being conducted by Dr. Jean Dodds DVM and Dr. Ronald Schultz called the Rabies Challenge (Google it). It is a seven year project in which they intend to prove that one rabies vaccination will protect an animal for its lifetime. Rabies is the first vaccine in the project. It is also their belief that animals are over vaccinated and that the economics of veterinary practices are dependent on yearly (now 3year) vaccination protocols. Between pharmaceutical companies and professional group pressure, many vets choose not to change or re-examine their protocols. Happy that Bernie is fine. Jane On Feb 19, 2009, at 9:10 AM, Maria Ianiro wrote: Thank you for all of your opinions and advice. I went ahead with the feline distemper vaccination. Bernie has been totally fine since The vet's plan was to do another shot in 1 month and the final shot a month after that. I think once the kitten series is done, I may stop. Bernie is an indoor cat and the frequent visits to the vet are changing his personality. He is very scared of strangers and car rides now. Additionally, every vet visit adds up... normally it is 1 vet visit fee and the shots... this is 3 vet visit fees and shots. My vet also explained to me that Bernie was more likely to have a reaction to the shot because he is allergic to it rather than from being felv+. I'm sure there are many opinions on that subject though. MaryChristine...you mentioned that research seemed to have stopped for so long and just recently have begun again. Are there any non profit groups out there actively researching this disease? Thanks ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Shots for Felv/Re Testing for Non Felv Cat
Hi I would think twice about vaccinating a positive kitten. I know that the vet that I use would not vaccinate a positive cat because vaccines can stress and assault a fragile and compromised immune system. Can you postpone the appointment and give yourself some time to do some research and talk to other people for different viewpoints? Does your kitten go outdoors? There is a really good book on the subject that describes the benefits and risks associated with vaccines. http://www.amazon.com/Vaccine-Guide-Dogs-Cats-Should/dp/1881217345/ ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=123 I know this subject is controversial subject, but I think it is worth taking the time to educate yourself on all the possibilities. Jane On Feb 18, 2009, at 1:59 PM, Maria Ianiro wrote: Hi everyone My kitten Bernie was diagnosed with Felv about 2 months after we got him home from the shelter. He was on interferon for 45 days, retested, and is still positive. When we got him from the shelter he did not have his second set of vaccinations yet. He is now 8 months old. I am taking him to the vet tonight to get the shots. The vet said she would split up the doses so his body could handle them. I think I will go back in 3 weeks and get the rest. I am still a little nervous about him getting the shots and becoming sick. He was symptom free for about 40 days and then he had a bad day where he wouldn't eat. Otherwise, he has been acting like a normal kitten. No more soft stool, good appetite (besides his bad day), good energy. Still give him interferon once a day. Has anyone had an experience with the vaccinations? Is there a good chance he could die from the shots? I know he needs them.. but I am nervous about it. Also, I decided to keep my non Felv cat (Brady) with Bernie. The vet told us to get Brady re-tested in 3 1/2 months. He tested negative the first time. My question is, how often should you have your non Felv Cat tested? I was thinking once a year would be ok? Every 3 1/2 months sounds like too much. Thank you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Trudi (was: PCR test reliability)
That is great news ! I had not heard about Orozyme for stomatitis. How is it giving? Will you tell me about it and how it is working? Many thanks Jane On Feb 16, 2009, at 11:55 AM, Stefania wrote: I have some good news: my two little ones, Ginny and Babette, are negatives and well. Ginny has been vaccinated two times already (she is two y.o.) and Babette is only 6 months and we have to wait after she recover from her operation to vaccine her. My dear Trudi is now taking: - Baytril for any infection - Orozyme for stomatitis - Ribes pet (vitamin E) My vet also gave me Retopix (Aldemidrol) spot on to control dermatitis, but when i put it on Trudi, she starts licking herself and her hair away and to me it seems worse. I don't understand! In these days, after taking Baytril, it seemed a bit better. In the places where she had lesions now she has crusts. But with this drops she becomes obsessed and bite and licks herself. Do you have any experience of something similar? Stefania Passa a Yahoo! Mail. La webmail che ti offre GRATIS spazio illimitato, antispam e messenger integrato. http://it.mail.yahoo.com/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement
I would bet on l-lycine. I tried everything that my allopathic vet recommended to get rid of a really bad upper respiratory. I cannot remember the antibiotics she tried but nothing worked. Someone on this list recommended l-lycine and although it took several weeks, it did work. I also think that the supplements that I used worked as well. Since I was not using drugs or pharmaceuticals of any kind, I cannot imagine how MeMe recovered from many severe symptoms if the supplements were not improving or supporting her immune system. Jane On Feb 9, 2009, at 12:07 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: Interesting - we should look around for studies (in our spare time lol). One study does not the truth make, just becomes an invitation for another study. But that's very interesting. Let's see - I think the Herpes virus is supposed to feed on L- Arginine, so increasing the ration of L-Lysine to L-Arginine is supposed to lessen the Herpes virus. So does seem to make sense. Seems to work for my cats. Gloria On Feb 9, 2009, at 10:32 AM, patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote: My vet opthamologist here in Philly, Dr. Glickstein, told me that he was aware of only one controlled study on the effects of L-lysine on herpes. He said that the study showed that L-lysine did keep cats from getting their first herpes infection but that it had absolutely no effect on subsequent infections or outbreaks. Apparently these are not the same results that are seen in human trials where it is belived to be effective on continuing outbreaks. I know that many many people believe that they have seen results with its use in cats however in ammeliorating a herpes outbreak. L-lysine is not a general immune booster, it is primarily effective against herpes virus (which sometimes causes URI like symptoms and runny eyes) by suppressing the L-arginine that herpes virus needs in order to replicate. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV survey, please take part, just a personal one to better undertsand FeLV.
Hi Tonya Maggie's symptoms sound identical to the ones we were dealing with two years ago. We used so many supplements and remedies that I am not sure what did what, but two years later we have a kittie who seems happy and healthy with the exception of her mouth, which somedays seems irritated and somedays, not. Here are the things we used: l-lycine for the viral symptoms (upper respiratory). You can get it at a health food store. I used 500mg capsules which I opened and sprinkled into her wet food twice a day. DMG Liquid which is a formula designed to boost her immune system. We gave her a dose daily. Forti-Flora is a probiotic that helped her get rid of diarrhea and supposedly is an overall boost for her immunity. We also tried to find the best quality cat food that she would tolerate. We wound up feeding her Petguard which is available at Whole Foods. Since we were able to get rid of her symptoms we are now giving her interferon every other day, hoping to keep her immunity up and enable her to fight off secondary infections. As we've all learned, there isn't a magic pill and every kittie reacts differently. I hope Maggie is able to get rid of her symptoms and continue to enjoy the love and care you've given to her. Jane On Feb 8, 2009, at 11:01 AM, TANYA NOE wrote: We adopted our cat Maggie when she was 8 weeks or so old. She was a happy healthy kitten until about 6-7 weeks later. She had gingivitis and diarrhea and her lymph nodes were the size of large grapes. We had he tested ( she was tested before we brought her home and she was negative) she tested positive this time on the ELISA test. We immediately tested our 12 year old cat Sasha and she was negative. 12 weeks later we tested her again and she was still positive so we had an IFA test done to see if it had progressed into her bone marrow. Sad to say it has, it was a very strong positive. We feed her soft food by pro plan and hard purina kitten chow. Our cats are strictly indoors. She lives with Sasha still who thank God is still negative. Maggie's main symptoms are diarrhea (lots of diarrhea), sneezing, vomiting, swollen lymph nodes, painful gums/teeth. She seems happy and as long as that is the case she will continue to have a home here with us no matter how many messes I have to clean up a week. She takes Tylan powder for her diarrhea which seems to help alot. Her vet is not that experienced at dealing with FELV positive cats so I have been getting alot of ideas from everyone's emails. Hope this helps Tanya --- On Fri, 2/6/09, amanda white-dai...@lapis.plala.or.jp wrote: From: amanda white-dai...@lapis.plala.or.jp Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV survey, please take part, just a personal one to better undertsand FeLV. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 6:01 AM Hi all, I want to ask you all some questions about your present and or past FeLV kitties, this is a personal survey to better understand the illness and how everything effects it, I would be really grateful if you all could participate! AT WHAT AGE DID YOUR CAT BECOME FeLV POSITIVE? WHAT TREATMENTS DID YOU DO/ARE DOING? WHAT FOOD DO/DID YOU FEED? WHAT LIFESTYLE DO YOUR CATS LEAD, E.G; INDOOR, OUTDOOR/BOTH ? LIVE WITH OTHER CATS OR NOT? HAS YOUR CAT HAD/HAVE ANY OTHER ILLNESSES AND OR STRESS IN LIFE? IF SO WHAT? WHAT AGE IS YOUR CAT NOW? OR WHEN THEY DIED? WHAT DID THEY DIE OF? So sorry, but your time in answering would be really appreciated! thanks so much! hugs and good health to you and your fur babies, Amanda, Tora and Angel Silver chan. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] testing the list
We're here. This is MeMe's second year with us and she is doing remarkably well considering the shape she was in when we got her. Paws crossed for all of us. Jane On Feb 3, 2009, at 5:26 PM, Alice Hanson wrote: I'm here too. Sophie and Miss Clara are healthy and happy. alice - Original Message - From: Cougar Clanmailto:maima...@duo-county.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] testing the list I'm still here and very grateful to have the two wonderful kittens my Dixie (FeLV+ who left this world June 12, 2008) sent me to occupy my time and heart. On Feb 3, 2009, at 2:48 PM, James G Wilson wrote: Hey all, Just testing the list since there's been no activity since Saturday. Here's hoping that everyone is doing well. Best wishes to all. James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.netmailto:phaed...@charter.net http://www.felineleukemia.orghttp://www.felineleukemia.org/ (FeLV Research Support) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/ listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/ listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT: My Mother went to the Rainbow Bridge
Dear Terrie I am so sorry for your loss. Your mother sounds like a wonderful person. Our thoughts and prayers are with you. Please take care of yourself. Jane On Jan 29, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Chris wrote: Im so sorry for your loss. Chris ti...@mindspring.com -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of tatorb...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:50 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] OT: My Mother went to the Rainbow Bridge Hello everyone, I'm letting everyone know this is part of my grieving and makes me feel little better. To let you know the situation if I don't respond right away to prior emails. Another email was sent to all the rescues groups of the same wording. Many of you have ask about my mother and sent many prayers by emails, phone calls, also in person to my mother and myself. With great sadness in my heart today my mother passed away this morning. As she wished she wants to be cremated and be buried with my father. I spent many hours with her the last few days only home long enough to feed and do litter boxes. She was an avid animal lover especially when it came to cats and kittens. She was a reputable breeder from the 60's to early 80's. Her breed was Siamese and Persian cats. In the last 20 years she chose to take homeless and rescue kitties into her home. They were given very much needed love and care. When she would come to visit me as she was in a convalescent home during the last year she would get her kitty fixes by coming to my home. She would call all of the rescue cats and kittens to her along with my personal kitties. So she could be around them all and give them plenty of love. She took such pleasure in this. She would spoil them greatly. Even feeding them such as turkey, chicken, and beef when she could get away with it. Her services will be at a later date. I will let you all know. My brother is putting article in the local newspaper about her within the next day or two. Thanks again for all your support in the past and present regarding my mother! Please vote! _http://www.care2.com/animalsheltercontest/69145_ (http://www.care2.com/animalsheltercontest/69145) Tazzys Animal Transports/Siamese and Collie Rescue Sultan, WA 98294 TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE _http://tazzys.org/_ (http://tazzys.org/index.html) Board Member for national rescue. _http://www.hurricanepetsrescue.org/_ (http:// www.hurricanepetsrescue.org/) OTRA VERIFIED TRANSPORTER (On The Road Again) Terrie Mohr-Forker Copyright C 2007-2008 Tazzy's.org. All rights reserved. **From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com? ncid=emlcntaolcom0023) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon use?
Hi Sidney I have MeMe on interferon (we alternate days) and we have not had any stomach problems. Maybe you should hold off until you get General's stomach issues resolved. I hope your vet can help him recover quickly. Please keep us posted. Jane On Dec 16, 2008, at 9:34 PM, souther...@aol.com wrote: When I first took General to the vet I use now, the vet started him on interferon, liquid, 7 days on and 7 days off. I did that for a long time but since he's been having all these tummy problems, it seems that when I give it to him now he vomits that day. Are you folks on interferon? have you had any issues with it? Sidney and the General ** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new- dpamp;icid=aolcom40vanityamp;ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] research information on FIP from Hideyo
Hideyo, Here is an update from the meeting with Dr. Niels Pedersen. I wonder if we could share this with the FelV group? I suggested this to Carol and she thinks that would be a great idea. Are you still member of the FelV group? If not I can ask Caroline Kaufmann to crosspost updates on the SockFIP project. Love and hugs, Marleen To: fipcatsupp...@yahoogroups.com From: carolm...@aol.com Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:01:20 + Subject: [FIPCatSupport] Coffee with Dr. Niels Pedersen Update Hello all, I attended the Coffee with Dr. Pedersen event last Tuesday at UC Davis. It was great to see the room almost full,with some new faces. The meeting was video taped and will be availabe to order on the SOCK FIP website soon. If you haven't visited yet, the web site is: http://www.SOCKFIP.org. Dr. P talked for about an hour about the research and the need to raise funds to accomplish this. SOCK FIP's efforts are gaining recognition, and I have personally delivered information to vets all around the San Francisco Bay Area. The initial genetics study will focus on two breeds, not because they experience FIP more often, but chosen because the size of the breed pools are manageable, not too large of a gene pool. (Birman and Burmese are the two breeds) Dr.Pedersen explained the research and milestones: The feline genome has now been sequenced twice, and needs to be done a few more times, then the pieces need to be put together ACCURATELY. The genome sequencing compliments the genetics research Dr. P has embarked upon. The completed study involved several families of cats, that experienced multiple FIP deaths in the colony, however, some were spared. Some cats were resistant, while others were susceptible. The first study has shown promising genetic markers, and with further research the goal is to unveil the mechanism that allows the corona virus to mutate to the deadly FIP form. This second phase of the genetics research involves a sizeable investment in technology from companies (such as Affymetrix). Dr. Pedersen's team will be collecting DNA swabs and blood samples for the data bank for the study to determine what genetic differences make a cat FIP resistant or susceptible. Arrays must be chosen, developed and purchased to collect and store the data for the project. Back in the 60's and 70's some of you may remember the FELV epidemic. ONE THIRD of all sick cats presented to veterinarians were infected, many cats died or were immediately euthanized. The original SOCK group was formed to raise funds for Dr. P's FELV research and he was successful in sending that disease back to nature. Now, thanks to Dr. P and the many individuals who donated to SOCK - mostly small donations from people like you and me, many hundreds of thousands of dollars were raised and DR P's FELV research was successful in developing vaccines and therapies to control FELV. We no longer fear FELV. It is SOCK FIP's mission to do the same with FIP. Government funding is not available to companion animal health research, and is 90% supported by animal lovers and individual donors. A matching donor has offered to match all FIP donations up to $10,000 that expires at year end 2008. Sadly, SOCK FIP hasn't raised much more than half that figure, and time is running out! Our timely donations NOW will count for DOUBLE! The initial technology investment will be a minimum $75,000, which seems like a daunting figure. Together WE can make a difference. Please do this for our kitties who have PASSED, our PRESENT kitties and for a cure for our FUTURE fur babies. Please join the cause and be an ambassador. Spread the word, join SOCK FIP! http://www.SOCKFIP.org Give what you can, as no amount is too small. Please send a a check made out to: UC Regents in the memo on check write FOR FIP RESEARCH - SOCK FIP (important!) Mail checks to: UC Davis - CCAH - School of Vet Medicine Atten: Lisa Woodard-Mink, Director of Major Gifts One Shields Ave. Dean's Office Davis, CA. 95616 In HOPE and Gratitude In Loving Memory of Fennster, Carol __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Polls | Members MARKETPLACE From kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity 5 New Members 6 New Photos 2 New Files Visit Your Group Y! Groups blog the best source for the latest scoop on Groups. Yahoo! Groups Do More For Cats Group Connect and share with cat owners like you Group Charity Be the Change A citizen movement to change the world . __,_._,___ Explore the seven wonders of the world Learn more! ___ Felvtalk mailing
Re: [Felvtalk] B. B. died - please add to the Candlelight service (do we still have one?)
Thank you for loving and caring for him, Gloria. May sweet B.B. rest in peace. Jane From: Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:16:05 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] B. B. died - please add to the Candlelight service (do we still have one?) One of my FELV kitties, B.B., died in the early morning of Dec 2, 2008, and I'd love to have him added to the Bridge list. He was a double positive (FELV+, FIV+), had been found at a local dump in the Little Rock vicinity, and taken in to our rescue. I've fostered him since October 2006, and he's been such a sweet, loving cat. But he developed a tail infection a while back, and we've been dealing with that ever since. He alway ate like a horse, till the last couple of days. He never could gain weight or pull out of the illness, he may have had other things going on, I'm not sure. B.B., who I think stands for Beautiful Boy, crossed over to the Bridge early yesterday morning, Tuesday December 2, 2008. He was a sweet boy. Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Donations
One thought Sue..the person who runs this list (James) has financed it pretty much on his own for several years. When he had difficulty with the servers and was able to get things back on line he mentioned that he would appreciate some help from the group. I think the help we all get from this list is invaluable and a contribution to help maintain it into the future would be a gift to all kitties who are helped from the collective wisdom here. I do not know how to reach him, but someone will. Just a thought. Jane On Nov 23, 2008, at 7:53 AM, Sue Frank Koren wrote: Does anyone know if there is a group that researches a cure for feline leukemia that is deserving of donations? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Buzz is gone
I am so sorry Sue. Buzz was so lucky to have found you. He knew he was loved and cared for. You are both so lucky to have connected and that bond is eternal. I know how much you miss him. Please take care. Jane Today I had to have my sweet little kitty Buzz PTS. I feel like a very large piece of me is missing. The first time I saw Buzz I fell in love with him. He was terrified, cowering between two up-ended mattresses in an unused bedroom at my brothers' house. He had been abused by neighborhood boys in an urban area where my brother used to live. When my sister in law, Lee, rescued him he was very sick, full of parasites, starving and near death. She and my brother nursed him back to physical health but he was still terrified of people. They named him Buzz Saw because of the way his claws flew whenever anyon e got near him. That day Lee caught him in a blanket and handed him to me. I sat with him and gently pet him and talked to him. Within about 20 minutes he was purring. Before we left that day he reached up to me and touched noses. After about a week I talked my husband into keeping him. When I brought him home I put him into our study so he had a smaller space to get used to, and to keep him separate from the other cats. When I took him to the vet a few days later his feline leukemia test came back positive. Buzz was going to live in the study for quite a while so I filled it with cat toys and a cat tree and pretty much spoiled him as much as much as I could. Every evening I would spend hours with him. I was working on a computer project and he kept me company with that. That is how it was from January of '07 to April. At that point it was clear that keeping him separate was not working. We vaccinated the other cats for feline leukemia and released Buzzy into the rest of the house. He loved his new freedom and became every ones quiet little shadow. He loved to watch what was going on. His favorite place was a window bench that looks out on the bird feeder. At night he either slept on a ledge right behind my head or cuddled up n ext to me, purring. When July came I noticed that he seemed to have no energy and was not eating. When we took him to the vet the diagnosis was anemia. With heavy doses of prednesolone his health and red blood count began to come back. I was so happy watching my sweet boy gaining back his energy and appetite. While he was recuperating I would take him out to sit on the deck on my lap. He loved sniffing the outdoor smells and feeling the warm sunshine on his fur. He would sit and purr out there for as long as I could sit and hold him. In the evenings Buzzy loved to chase DaBird and the laser pointer. His blood was being tested every couple of weeks and soon it was in the normal range. We began to back off on the prednesolone. For several weeks everything was going well until the week that his blood count started going the wrong direction. I prayed that it was just the one time but unfortunately not. That horrible disease was in his bone marrow and the medication was no longer helping. For the las t several weeks I watched as he became more and more lethargic. We offered him every special treat we could think of to keep him eating and he would nibble on those tidbits almost to the end. He would sit all day on his window seat and for the last week we carried him to the litter box. He always watched every move I made as I moved around the kitchen. Today when he just put his head down in exhaustion instead of watching, I knew it was time to say goodbye to my darling boy. When I took him to the vet I told him how much I have loved him and asked him to meet me at the bridge. Then he went to sleep in my arms. I will miss him so very much, but now he is in a place where there is no feline leukemia. Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3631 (20081121) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Weight loss with no other symptoms
Amy have their been any changes in his mouth? Leukemia kitties often have inflamed gums which can affect the amount of food they eat. Have his eating patterns changed? I have not heard of weight loss, without any other symptoms being a warning sign. Jane On Nov 21, 2008, at 6:40 PM, Amy wrote: I have an approximately 6-year-old cat that has been positive for leukemia since I took him in several years ago. Over the past couple years he has gradually been losing weight. My population (5 leuk pos cats) has remained stable over this time and no new cats have been introduced. I took him to the vet today and he is down 2 pounds from last year (currently weighs 11.8 lbs). The vet said he is not skinny and would now be considered ideal body weight but she was a bit concerned about the weight loss. We did a full blood work-up as we do every year and everything looks fine. She also tested for thyroid problems since his pulse was a bit fast and we wanted to rule it out. She said his tummy feels fine and she sees nothing to be concerned about at this time. This is good news but I'm still worried about the weight loss as none of my cats tend to be on the small size. Has anybody seen this sort of weight loss in cats with leukemia or do people think that this is a sign that he is starting to go downhill? Thoughts? Amy --- On Fri, 11/21/08, Laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] High Fever To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 2:04 PM Yes, Isabella had a high fever when we first rescued her. As I recall, we used antibiotics. I couldn't find my notes quicklyI do know her fever finally came down. Eventually she was on maintenance prednisilone and a pain killer. And now she is only on interferon and has gone from 8-12 lbs. She looks and feels great! Good luck and if I find more on Bella's treatment, I will forward it. Laurie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christy Buchin Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 12:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] High Fever My cat Gray Kitty, was diagnosed with FeLV on his first birthday, 9/6/08. He and his two brothers were born in our home to a stray we took into our home. She had tested negative for the virus. His two brothers have also continue to test negative for the virus. His two brothers are also type A blood and he is the only one that is type B. He has had 1 transfusion, due to his anemic condition. Since then, the virus has gone to his bone marrow. He receives weekly injections of the Imulan LTCI and is on holistic medication as well. Since diagnosed, he continues to run a fever between 103 and 105. Antibiotics do not seem to relieve this either. We know each day is precious that we have with him. Does anyone else battle with the high fevers too? _ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail? ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_ 112008 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea
Hi Lisa Forti-Flora will be fine for a kitten. I used it successfully with mine. I am rushing out and will write more later. Jane On Nov 14, 2008, at 12:55 AM, Lisa Borden wrote: I am so happy to have found this list. Two weeks ago, I took in a 3 month old kitten. He's a beautiful orange kitten and I've fallen in love with him. Yesterday I took him to the vet for his vaccines, and we ran an FeLV/FIV snap test. It came back positive for FeLV. We sent off the other test (IFA?) to the lab and I await those results. I have two other cats - one is almost 4 (male) and one is 2 (female). They have both been vaccinated against FeLV. My male in particular has become close with the kitten. it proved to be impractical to isolate the kitten as he just cried and cried ... and escaped every time I opened the door. So I decided to supervise them, make sure they don't fight, keep a clean litterbox, etc. and I just let him back out with my other cats. From the couple of posts I have read, I see I am not the only one. And my vet was so adament about keeping the baby isolated. He does have diarrhea, and I was looking at probiotics. Can something like Fortiflora harm him if he does have a compromised immune system? I understand I would be giving him good bacteria to balance things out. He was negative for worms. Thank you for any info, and I look forward to the group, regardless of the test results. My kitten is active, and is a LOVE ... and he isn't going anywhere! Lisa ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Romeo is gone....
I am so sorry Chris but so happy that Romeo knew what it meant to be loved and cared for. Thank you for his story and for loving and caring for him. Jane On Nov 10, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote: Chris, thank you for telling us Romeo's story. He's surely telling all the Bridge kitties a similar story, but it's all about how great YOU are and how he trained you into a loving mommy. Hugs to you. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 3:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Romeo is gone It is with a very heavy heart that I tell you that I lost my Romeo today to lymphoma. I write not out of grief but to encourage all the newbies who wonder whether they can hang on with a FELV positive, whether they know enough to take care of them, whether they should mix, etc. And the resounding answer is YES YES YES. My Romeo was a throw away stray that I first met 7+ years ago when I helped someone out feeding a little colony near me. He was already an adult (3-4 years old) who would come running across the field when I'd whistle and meow the whole way so I wouldn't miss him. He would get underfoot, get bullied by the other cats, bury everybody's food, and just rub up against my leg for some loving. I knew someone had been unkind to him cause if I raised my hand, he'd scamper away, just out of reach, cowering. Fast forward two years and we had one of the coldest NY winters we've had in a long time. One weekend, we were expecting zero degree temps and a major snowstorm. Romeo was the last of the colony and I knew I had to bring him in. I even had an adoptive home ready-but he turned out to be positive and they couldn't handle it. Soo, he stayed in my room for a few weeks, watching my every move, figuring out the TV and the vacuum cleaner weren't that bad. Slowly, he started coming out of his crate at night when he thought I was asleep. Little baby steps-first the food dish got moved next to his crate. Then the litter box in the bathroom. And slowly, he'd come out during the day. I knew we won the battle when I peeked out over my monitor to spot him on my bed. You could see it in his face-this is niiice and from that point on, he was totally comfortable being in and around we humans. Funny thing is that he never really wanted to get out-he rarely sat at the window-the couch and the bed were always much more comfortable for him! Over these last 4 ½ years, Romeo turned into the most loving cat you'd ever want to meet. Only thing I could never do was pick him up or restrain him in any way---he was just too scared. But he'd jump up on me, lie on my chest as I was trying to get to sleep, follow me around like a puppy dog and otherwise just kept thanking all the humans he met for being safe and warm and loved. My other cats were a bit leary of him and Tucson never did take much of a liking to him-all jealousy, I'm sure. But Romeo persevered and the two of them had come to terms with each other... His final illness took him quickly. He'd never been real sick before-had some gum and teeth problems a couple of times, but that was it. Going to the vet was a major trauma for him so I'd always worked with my wonderful vet to keep those visits to a bare minimum. But today was one of those days that I knew he had to get to the vet asap. He'd been feeling poorly during the week and over the weekend, he started breathing very hard-like he couldn't catch his breath. He'd been on antibiotics for what I thought was another gum problem but when we got to the vet, I knew it was a whole lot more. My vet sent me immediately to our local specialty hospital and they confirmed the lymphoma. He had a large mass in his chest, his lungs had filled up with fluid, and I knew that emotionally and physically, he could never withstand an aggressive course of treatment that in all likelihood would only give him a short extension of his life. So, I made that decision we all dread after I looked in his eyes and knew he was telling me it was time. I stroked him to the end and told him I loved him. And do I regret taking him in-ABSOLUTELY NOT. He gave me so many wonderful memories and he will always be in my heart. And did he regret coming inside-ABSOLUTELY NOT-he had almost 5 years of a wonderful life and I know that had he stayed out, he would have died a miserable death from the cold and hunger or an infection and he would have been alone. We can't save them forever-but we can give them some wonderful time and we can all learn so very much about life from these little guys. Christiane Biagi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Felvtalk] How is Buzz?
Hi Sue How is Buzz doing? Jane On Nov 10, 2008, at 5:56 PM, Sue Frank Koren wrote: Chris, I am so sorry to hear about your little Romeo. Thank you for sharing his story. Of all the cats it so often seems like the FeLV+ ones are the most special of all. Sue - Original Message - From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 4:37 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Romeo is gone It is with a very heavy heart that I tell you that I lost my Romeo today to lymphoma. I write not out of grief but to encourage all the newbies who wonder whether they can hang on with a FELV positive, whether they know enough to take care of them, whether they should mix, etc. And the resounding answer is YES YES YES. My Romeo was a throw away stray that I first met 7+ years ago when I helped someone out feeding a little colony near me. He was already an adult (3-4 years old) who would come running across the field when I'd whistle and meow the whole way so I wouldn't miss him. He would get underfoot, get bullied by the other cats, bury everybody's food, and just rub up against my leg for some loving. I knew someone had been unkind to him cause if I raised my hand, he'd scamper away, just out of reach, cowering. Fast forward two years and we had one of the coldest NY winters we've had in a long time. One weekend, we were expecting zero degree temps and a major snowstorm. Romeo was the last of the colony and I knew I had to bring him in. I even had an adoptive home ready-but he turned out to be positive and they couldn't handle it. Soo, he stayed in my room for a few weeks, watching my every move, figuring out the TV and the vacuum cleaner weren't that bad. Slowly, he started coming out of his crate at night when he thought I was asleep. Little baby steps-first the food dish got moved next to his crate. Then the litter box in the bathroom. And slowly, he'd come out during the day. I knew we won the battle when I peeked out over my monitor to spot him on my bed. You could see it in his face-this is niiice and from that point on, he was totally comfortable being in and around we humans. Funny thing is that he never really wanted to get out-he rarely sat at the window-the couch and the bed were always much more comfortable for him! Over these last 4 ½ years, Romeo turned into the most loving cat you'd ever want to meet. Only thing I could never do was pick him up or restrain him in any way---he was just too scared. But he'd jump up on me, lie on my chest as I was trying to get to sleep, follow me around like a puppy dog and otherwise just kept thanking all the humans he met for being safe and warm and loved. My other cats were a bit leary of him and Tucson never did take much of a liking to him-all jealousy, I'm sure. But Romeo persevered and the two of them had come to terms with each other... His final illness took him quickly. He'd never been real sick before-had some gum and teeth problems a couple of times, but that was it. Going to the vet was a major trauma for him so I'd always worked with my wonderful vet to keep those visits to a bare minimum. But today was one of those days that I knew he had to get to the vet asap. He'd been feeling poorly during the week and over the weekend, he started breathing very hard-like he couldn't catch his breath. He'd been on antibiotics for what I thought was another gum problem but when we got to the vet, I knew it was a whole lot more. My vet sent me immediately to our local specialty hospital and they confirmed the lymphoma. He had a large mass in his chest, his lungs had filled up with fluid, and I knew that emotionally and physically, he could never withstand an aggressive course of treatment that in all likelihood would only give him a short extension of his life. So, I made that decision we all dread after I looked in his eyes and knew he was telling me it was time. I stroked him to the end and told him I loved him. And do I regret taking him in-ABSOLUTELY NOT. He gave me so many wonderful memories and he will always be in my heart. And did he regret coming inside-ABSOLUTELY NOT-he had almost 5 years of a wonderful life and I know that had he stayed out, he would have died a miserable death from the cold and hunger or an infection and he would have been alone. We can't save them forever-but we can give them some wonderful time and we can all learn so very much about life from these little guys. Christiane Biagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___
Re: [Felvtalk] How is Buzz?
I'm so sorry Sue, for you and Buzz. I know how stressful this is for both of you. I remember Hideyo saying that often it seems like they will never respond and sometimes they turn around when all hope is gone. I'll pray this happens for Buzz. This disease really is the worst because it strikes the really good guys (and girls). We're pulling for Buzz. Jane On Nov 10, 2008, at 7:55 PM, Sue Frank Koren wrote: Hi Jane, Buzz is not doing well at all. Today I received the news that his red blood cells have dropped from 22% last week to 18% Saturday. He is on Doxycycline, Prednisolone and Leukeran but his blood cells are no longer responding. I don't like the idea of putting him through blood transfusions just to buy him a short amount of time. At this point I am just trying to make him as comfortable as possible and wait... God I HATE this disease!!! Anyway, thanks for asking about him. I'm sorry it isn't better news. Sue - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 6:27 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] How is Buzz? Hi Sue How is Buzz doing? Jane On Nov 10, 2008, at 5:56 PM, Sue Frank Koren wrote: Chris, I am so sorry to hear about your little Romeo. Thank you for sharing his story. Of all the cats it so often seems like the FeLV+ ones are the most special of all. Sue - Original Message - From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 4:37 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Romeo is gone It is with a very heavy heart that I tell you that I lost my Romeo today to lymphoma. I write not out of grief but to encourage all the newbies who wonder whether they can hang on with a FELV positive, whether they know enough to take care of them, whether they should mix, etc. And the resounding answer is YES YES YES. My Romeo was a throw away stray that I first met 7+ years ago when I helped someone out feeding a little colony near me. He was already an adult (3-4 years old) who would come running across the field when I'd whistle and meow the whole way so I wouldn't miss him. He would get underfoot, get bullied by the other cats, bury everybody's food, and just rub up against my leg for some loving. I knew someone had been unkind to him cause if I raised my hand, he'd scamper away, just out of reach, cowering. Fast forward two years and we had one of the coldest NY winters we've had in a long time. One weekend, we were expecting zero degree temps and a major snowstorm. Romeo was the last of the colony and I knew I had to bring him in. I even had an adoptive home ready-but he turned out to be positive and they couldn't handle it. Soo, he stayed in my room for a few weeks, watching my every move, figuring out the TV and the vacuum cleaner weren't that bad. Slowly, he started coming out of his crate at night when he thought I was asleep. Little baby steps-first the food dish got moved next to his crate. Then the litter box in the bathroom. And slowly, he'd come out during the day. I knew we won the battle when I peeked out over my monitor to spot him on my bed. You could see it in his face-this is niiice and from that point on, he was totally comfortable being in and around we humans. Funny thing is that he never really wanted to get out-he rarely sat at the window-the couch and the bed were always much more comfortable for him! Over these last 4 ½ years, Romeo turned into the most loving cat you'd ever want to meet. Only thing I could never do was pick him up or restrain him in any way---he was just too scared. But he'd jump up on me, lie on my chest as I was trying to get to sleep, follow me around like a puppy dog and otherwise just kept thanking all the humans he met for being safe and warm and loved. My other cats were a bit leary of him and Tucson never did take much of a liking to him-all jealousy, I'm sure. But Romeo persevered and the two of them had come to terms with each other... His final illness took him quickly. He'd never been real sick before-had some gum and teeth problems a couple of times, but that was it. Going to the vet was a major trauma for him so I'd always worked with my wonderful vet to keep those visits to a bare minimum. But today was one of those days that I knew he had to get to the vet asap. He'd been feeling poorly during the week and over the weekend, he started breathing very hard-like he couldn't catch his breath. He'd been on antibiotics for what I thought was another gum problem but when we got to the vet, I knew it was a whole lot more. My vet sent me immediately to our local specialty hospital and they confirmed the lymphoma. He had a large mass in his chest, his lungs had filled up with fluid, and I knew that emotionally and physically, he could never
Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy still has hemolytic anemia
Sue I talked with Hideyo (former list member) who said that she has heard of people who have had good results with Leukeran. She also said to caution you to be patient when going back on the full strength Predinisole. It sometimes does not work right away. Something is wrong with her computer but if she gets up and running I'll try to connect you. Hope Buzz is having a good day. Jane On Oct 28, 2008, at 7:43 AM, Sue Frank Koren wrote: Would it be better for him to just stay on the Prednesolone? I have heard that also has side effects, though. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leukeran is a chemotherapy drug. The problems we had with Leukeran was that it helped his anemia, but brought his immune system down so low that he got some sort of opportunistic infection. AIHA is not a good diagnosis. On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Sue Frank Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My vet told me that the Chlorambucil is the generic for Leukeran (or vise versa). Is it a type of chemo? Dr. Tom says it is not in his marrow. - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy still has hemolytic anemia I lost a cat to AIHA last year. If you do a search, Hideyo had some suggestions. We did not use Chlorambucil, we used Leukeran. On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Sue Frank Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Buzz had anemia back in July and because of the advise of this group and my vet who is very proactive his life was saved. We have been slowly weaning him off of the Prednisolone for the past several months. He was down to 1/2 of a 5mg tablet one time a day. Unfortunately his red blood cell count began to drop again. He is back to his full dose of Prednisolone - 30mg / day. We will wait until the red blood cell count stabilizes and then begin the weaning process again. This time he will also be on Chlorambucil. Does anyone have any experience with this drug or have any other suggestions that may help Buzz? I have an excellent vet who is very open to suggestions and will research any possibilities thoroughly. Buzzy is the love of my life. He snuggles up with me every single night. I know the people in this group understand more then anyone else what this is like. Thank you, Sue and Buzzy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with the Friday Night Lights' kittens medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/the-friday-night-lights-kittens Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with the Friday Night Lights' kittens medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/the-friday-night-lights-kittens Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy still has hemolytic anemia
Hi Sue I can ask Hideyo ...hopefully I can get an answer for you tomorrow. I hope it is something that can be put into remission, but I am not sure. I know how much you care for Buzz and I am sure that he knows that ... a great immune system booster. When Me Me was in the throes of fighting a terrible upper respiratory, we used to do 15 minute intervals of bliss therapy throughout the day. She loved being combed and she would roll and around and purr deeply almost vibrate. I know this sounds nuts, but I am sure the sheer pleasure of being loved and cared for (she had been thrown from a car window onto the porch of a 'shelter' as a kitten) helped her immune system. We do everything we can to help them fight this virus. We know that ultimately they are on their own path, and that they will let us know when they want to let go. Hopefully Hideyo will be able to answer your questions. Give Buzz a buzz from us. Jane On Oct 28, 2008, at 8:02 PM, Sue Frank Koren wrote: Jane, Thank you for your help. Buzz is not doing too badly, we caught it when his blood levels were in the twenties this time. Last time he was down to eight. We have been testing his blood every other week and I purchased a pet scale to monitor his weight more closely. I guess it is Leukeran that he will be on. That is what the pharmacies had. The Chlorambucil must be the generic. Dr. Tom gives me the name of the medication and the dosage and lets me call around to the pharmacies to find the best price. For 15 2mg tablets of Leuctra the price ranged from $49.44 to $77.99. Do you know if they can ever go off of the Leukeran once they are on it? Is hemolytic anemia something they can beat for good or will it keep coming back? Thanks again for your help, Sue - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy still has hemolytic anemia Sue I talked with Hideyo (former list member) who said that she has heard of people who have had good results with Leukeran. She also said to caution you to be patient when going back on the full strength Predinisole. It sometimes does not work right away. Something is wrong with her computer but if she gets up and running I'll try to connect you. Hope Buzz is having a good day. Jane On Oct 28, 2008, at 7:43 AM, Sue Frank Koren wrote: Would it be better for him to just stay on the Prednesolone? I have heard that also has side effects, though. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leukeran is a chemotherapy drug. The problems we had with Leukeran was that it helped his anemia, but brought his immune system down so low that he got some sort of opportunistic infection. AIHA is not a good diagnosis. On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Sue Frank Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My vet told me that the Chlorambucil is the generic for Leukeran (or vise versa). Is it a type of chemo? Dr. Tom says it is not in his marrow. - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy still has hemolytic anemia I lost a cat to AIHA last year. If you do a search, Hideyo had some suggestions. We did not use Chlorambucil, we used Leukeran. On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Sue Frank Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Buzz had anemia back in July and because of the advise of this group and my vet who is very proactive his life was saved. We have been slowly weaning him off of the Prednisolone for the past several months. He was down to 1/2 of a 5mg tablet one time a day. Unfortunately his red blood cell count began to drop again. He is back to his full dose of Prednisolone - 30mg / day. We will wait until the red blood cell count stabilizes and then begin the weaning process again. This time he will also be on Chlorambucil. Does anyone have any experience with this drug or have any other suggestions that may help Buzz? I have an excellent vet who is very open to suggestions and will research any possibilities thoroughly. Buzzy is the love of my life. He snuggles up with me every single night. I know the people in this group understand more then anyone else what this is like. Thank you, Sue and Buzzy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with the Friday Night Lights' kittens
Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy still has hemolytic anemia
Hi Sue I sent your post to some former list members who might be able to give you some help. I know how scary it is. Hopefully they will contact you and will be able to share their experience with anemia or maybe someone on the list will. Hang in there ...we're rooting for Buzz. Jane On Oct 27, 2008, at 7:22 PM, Sue Frank Koren wrote: My Buzz had anemia back in July and because of the advise of this group and my vet who is very proactive his life was saved. We have been slowly weaning him off of the Prednisolone for the past several months. He was down to 1/2 of a 5mg tablet one time a day. Unfortunately his red blood cell count began to drop again. He is back to his full dose of Prednisolone - 30mg / day. We will wait until the red blood cell count stabilizes and then begin the weaning process again. This time he will also be on Chlorambucil. Does anyone have any experience with this drug or have any other suggestions that may help Buzz? I have an excellent vet who is very open to suggestions and will research any possibilities thoroughly. Buzzy is the love of my life. He snuggles up with me every single night. I know the people in this group understand more then anyone else what this is like. Thank you, Sue and Buzzy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Need suggestions help for 2 yr old leuk cat
Hi Claudia I wish I could help you. I think that a good vet is your best hope at this time. I (we) can help you if your vet can get her stabilized and out of this crisis. I have been able to treat a very sick, Felv kittie with a variety of treatments, supplements and interferon alpha. I can share all of these with you. I'm thinking of the both of you and hoping that your vet can get her to a place where you can begin to help her. Please keep us posted. Jane On Oct 23, 2008, at 7:41 PM, Claudia wrote: Hi, I need your help!!! I just joined this website. I'm so glad something like this exists as a resource for people with feline leuk cats. I have a young cat (she's 2) who was feral, I started feeding her over the winter. She's been with me almsot 2 years now. I decided to bring her in the hosue 'cause she was a little kitten then, and I was worried about her being aout in the cold. She was fine for a while ( at least 5 moths) then developed a couph. I brought her to the vet, she was tested adn they said she had feline leukemia. She's been tested tiwce, so I guess she fdoes have it. I didn't knwo anything about thsi illness in cats. Since then, in the past 10 months, she's had a cold or upper respiratory problems, inclding possibly asthma and allergies chronically. It seems she's been getting sick evry 2-3 months. She's been on anitbiotics which has worked so far.In the past 3 weeks she's had an occasional couph, and he rbreathing ahsn't been normal. Sh's been on Clavamox anibiotic for 10 days, it's helped a little, but this apst Tuesday and Today, she had a coupel of episodes where she began a couphing fit, then started weezing, and panting for air, with her outh opening for a few seconds for air. IT was scary, I'd never seen her like that. I turned ont humidifier and that seemd to help her.One thig though was that when I've had the humidifier on for too long, I found mold on the windown int he room, and that's not good either. I'm planning on taking her to the vet tomorrow. I don't know what they'll tell me. I want to keep her healthy for as long as I can. HEr vet told me that she might have ashtma, but it was hard to tell form her X ray because she also has the Leukemia. The vet didn't want to put her on Steroids because it's deadly for leukemia cats. I'm wondering what to do??? I was told people ont his board know a lot about feline Leuk. Please offer any suggestions, recommendations. Thank you so much!!! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] So Happy!
What fabulous news ! On Sep 23, 2008, at 3:54 PM, Marylyn wrote: that is so wonderful. On Sep 23, 2008, at 2:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone! Tweezers tests came back and it is likely that all that is wrong with him (Besides being positive) is a secondary infection! No liver stint. No blood parasites, no crystals, no micro cystosis. He already looks so much better. His eyes are not goopy, he seems to be gaining weight and no more watery stools. He actually was playing for the last day or so! Celebrate !! (Dance! Dance! Dance!) Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New kitty has arrived. Worried.
Hi Sue When I picked up MeMe she was in really terrible shape. I did not know she was FeLV, but she was unusually small for a one year old, had a terrible upper respiratory, constant sneezing, runny nose, diarrhea, stomatitis, swollen glands, she was really miserable. It tool us 6 months to get her into shape using both a homeopath and allopathic vet. With the exception of her gums which are often swollen and sore, she is doing remarkably well. I think it is a good idea to keep your new kittie separated until you can get him checked out. Kitties who are symptomatic are fighting an active virus. Sometimes with good care and TLC they can fight the symptoms and keep the virus in check. Im in the middle of a project for work, but I'll be glad to share the remedies and care we used to help MeMe fight the virus to a place where she is living a very happy life. Jane On Sep 17, 2008, at 6:39 AM, Sue Frank Koren wrote: I picked up the new FeLV+ kitty today and I am very worried about him. He is supposed to be close to two years old but he is the size of a kitten no older then 6 months. I can feel his bones as if he has been on the street starving. His eyes are a little gunky and his nose seems to be running. He eats like he has been starving and he drank an amazing amount of water. He just seems sickly. I am keeping him separated from my other cats just in case, and he will go to my vet as soon as I can get him an appointment. The other animals at this rescue seem very healthy, but I can't imagine why he is the way he is. Does anyone have any ideas? Could this be just another thing that happens to positive kitties? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Michelle's Patches is an angel
Please tell Michelle that we are with her. It is heartbreaking. Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Good News!
How great is that ! Hope Buzz will be feeling great forever. Jane /felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] chemotherapy
Dear Adrienne I really understand what you are going through and how difficult it is to make decisions with your head while your heart is punctured. I think of the line in the poem by I Townsend that reads We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own Live within a fragile circle, easily and often breached, Unable to accepts it's awful gaps We still would have it no other way These are the most difficult times and it seems that at some point you have to know that Emma is on her own path and that all you can do is to help her fight and also love her enough to let her go. It is the best and the worst of times. She has the understanding that she is loved and cared for, which is a gift. Thinking of the both of you. Jane On Aug 22, 2008, at 10:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Caroline, Belinda, Diane, and Michele, Thanks so much for sharing and for your kindness. It's very helpful and comforting to hear from people what have been through something similar and/or who truly care. I know there are no easy answers as to the best thing to do or not to do. My Emma tested positive on both multiple snap tests and on laboratory ELISA tests, so as much as I was hoping it was some kind of mistake, she is indeed FeLV+. Over this past weekend, she suddenly stopped eating and drinking, her coat went from shiny black (she's a tuxedo) to dull and covered with dandruff, her purr was gone, and she was lethargic. The ultrasound revealed enormous lymph nodes, and the blood test revealed a RBC count of 10 (dangerously low) and a WBC count twice what it should be. Analysis of the bone marrow points to lymphoma. The Vet is encouraging chemotherapy, but because of past experiences with two of my dogs, I don't have a lot of faith in Veterinary oncologists. I don't want a Veterinarian giving me false help and encouraging me to pursue chemotherapy if, in fact, there's little chance it will help, and a better chance that it won't help, or worse, that it will cause suffering. Caroline, I can relate to your situation with the tumor on Monkee's leg. My dog Rebel had a mast cell tumor on his leg, which the surgeon was able to debulk, but he was unable to get clean margins. He offered amputation as an option, but Rebel was 12 years old and a big dog, and I didn't think he would manage well (though I've seen many younger dogs and even cats do perfectly well with three legs). It turns out it was really good that I didn't pursue amputation of the leg, because a week later, Rebel had a tumor on his back. The tumor on his leg grew back and continued to grow despite chemotherapy. It was the size of a large honeydew. But I continued to give him chemotherapy, hoping for a miracle. There ended up being no miracle and I lost my Rebel. Several years earlier, I'd put my dog, Daisy, through chemotherapy and radiation when she was diagnosed with oral melanoma. My Veterinarian told me I'd lose her in six months, with or without treatment. I went to an oncologist anyway and was told there was a 20% chance the treatment would help. So Daisy went throught the treatment, and a week before she died, another oncologist put her on an experimental drug (Thalidomide) despite the fact that her lungs were full of tumors. I know that everyone's experiences are different and that we all want to do what's best for our furry family members. It's just so hard to know what is best. But your support and advice have been my saving grace this week. I no longer feel quite so alone. Thank you. -- Adrienne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Interferon question
Gloria (thank you) sent me some great information about Interferon that someone called Tally put together for this list a few years ago. My vet has read it and is learning from Tally and any information I can give her. Is anyone using it now? The instructions are contradictory. One piece is that it cannot be given with food, while another suggests giving it with tuna juice. Since I cannot ask my vet, I am hoping someone out there is using it. I just received it and if I can figure out the correct method, will begin tonight. Here's hoping Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon question
They gave me a choice of flavors, so I am hoping marshmallow will do it. Her mouth is inflamed so it is difficult to open it to squirt something in. The lab my vet used is charging 70.00 for a 30 day supply. (25.00 of that is overnight frio packing) Does that seem right to you? I'm doing 30 (ml) daily? I'll do anything if it enhances the quality of her live. I hope she responds to it. It is great that it helped your kitties mouth. I 'm encouraged. thanks for your help Gloria Jane On Aug 22, 2008, at 1:58 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: Well the rumor I recall is that it is absorbed in the back of the throat, so if you give it alone it heightens the possibility of that happening. I don't have any sources to document it, however, and it may or may not be true. But I always give it with a syringe not mixed with food. I think some folks use it with food and still feel it helps. One of my FIV kitties started having some mouth isues yesterday. I started him on 1cc interferon mornings and he's much much better. I haven't seen it help with mouth problems before. Gloria At 11:36 AM 8/22/2008, you wrote: Gloria (thank you) sent me some great information about Interferon that someone called Tally put together for this list a few years ago. My vet has read it and is learning from Tally and any information I can give her. Is anyone using it now? The instructions are contradictory. One piece is that it cannot be given with food, while another suggests giving it with tuna juice. Since I cannot ask my vet, I am hoping someone out there is using it. I just received it and if I can figure out the correct method, will begin tonight. Here's hoping Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon question
thanks, it is 30 IU do you know where to get a better price? Has it worked for you? Thanks Jane On Aug 22, 2008, at 6:03 PM, gary wrote: You probably want to be giving 30 IU not 30 ml. Interferon is usually dosed down to 30 IU per ml. You would give 1 ml a day. $70 is a lot for a 30 day supply. Gary - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon question They gave me a choice of flavors, so I am hoping marshmallow will do it. Her mouth is inflamed so it is difficult to open it to squirt something in. The lab my vet used is charging 70.00 for a 30 day supply. (25.00 of that is overnight frio packing) Does that seem right to you? I'm doing 30 (ml) daily? I'll do anything if it enhances the quality of her live. I hope she responds to it. It is great that it helped your kitties mouth. I 'm encouraged. thanks for your help Gloria Jane On Aug 22, 2008, at 1:58 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: Well the rumor I recall is that it is absorbed in the back of the throat, so if you give it alone it heightens the possibility of that happening. I don't have any sources to document it, however, and it may or may not be true. But I always give it with a syringe not mixed with food. I think some folks use it with food and still feel it helps. One of my FIV kitties started having some mouth isues yesterday. I started him on 1cc interferon mornings and he's much much better. I haven't seen it help with mouth problems before. Gloria At 11:36 AM 8/22/2008, you wrote: Gloria (thank you) sent me some great information about Interferon that someone called Tally put together for this list a few years ago. My vet has read it and is learning from Tally and any information I can give her. Is anyone using it now? The instructions are contradictory. One piece is that it cannot be given with food, while another suggests giving it with tuna juice. Since I cannot ask my vet, I am hoping someone out there is using it. I just received it and if I can figure out the correct method, will begin tonight. Here's hoping Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3378 (20080822) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon Question-Jane,Lynne
That's a good question Lynne ...I don't know and my vet is learning from the information that Gloria sent to me, via Tally. I became interested when I read that paper published by the French veterinarians that stated that interferon was the only treatment that they thought improved the quality and longevity of Felv kitties. I had been considering Imulan, but El has been using it and the last time she posted, she was not quite sure about it. MeMe is probably 2, possibly 2.5 and I was hoping if we could keep building her immunity she might make it through that difficult 2.5 to 3 stage. She is the funniest cat. We have two Scotties and when I walk them she insists on going. She walks ahead of them (with her cat jacket on) on a leash with her tail straight up. It's difficult to juggle three leash handles, but they all are on retractable leads, which means that MeMe climbs a few trees ever now and then. From what I've read on the list, it seems that FeLV kittens are the most endearing. I know MeMe is. take care Jane On Aug 22, 2008, at 10:17 PM, Lynne wrote: If I ever have a positive cat again I would definitely consider this. I'm wondering if it can be made into a trans dermal. We found that this method worked really well for our dear old Lennie and his thyroid medication. Lynne - Original Message - From: Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon Question-Jane,Lynne Sorry, thought I sent it to the list, guess not. Tally used to be on this list (maybe 2001?). Guess that's when I got on this list. Anyhow - This is her info on her web site: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/9352/interferon.html Interferon used in this way, Lynne, is oral low dose interferon alpha. Not injected. It can of course be administered in other ways, but this is intended to provide a gentle ongoing boost to the kitty immune system. There's lots of undocumented, unresearched stuff about interferon, but this is the protocol that many use. There's also a discussion of whether you do constant, or on-off (like 7 days on, then 7 off). As I understand from Tally's info, the theory for the constant, daily dosage, is that the cat is low in its own natural interferon , and this is intended to supplement it. Now mind you, I'm just saying what I recall, so don't have sources right now other than Tally's info. Gloria At 07:56 PM 8/22/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've been using interferon with our two FeLV positive kitties for over a year now. Our vet said I could give it by mixing it into food, but usually we administer the required dosage in a needless syringe and the kitties just swallow it. (I want to be sure they get all their dose.) So far, both cats are doing well. Bo is almost four now, and Seven is just over a year old. I don't think I have the list that Gloria sent to you, Jane, but I would be very interested in reading it and learning any more that I can. Good luck! Jody Today's Topics: 1. Interferon question (Jane Lyons) --- --- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:36:34 -0400 From: Jane Lyons Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon question To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Gloria (thank you) sent me some great information about Interferon that someone called Tally put together for this list a few years ago. My vet has read it and is learning from Tally and any information I can give her. Is anyone using it now? The instructions are contradictory. One piece is that it cannot be given with food, while another suggests giving it with tuna juice. Since I cannot ask my vet, I am hoping someone out there is using it. I just received it and if I can figure out the correct method, will begin tonight. Here's hoping Jane -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 28 *** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3381 (20080822) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Felvtalk] Patches update
We're thinking and praying for Patches and visualizing a quick recovery. Jane On Aug 19, 2008, at 11:09 AM, Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote: __ __ ansmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Gloria/ question
Gloria I am going to follow your advice. My kitten is roughly 2+ years. She was highly symptomatic and recovered with the exception of mildly inflamed gums. Last week she had a relapse with some sneezing and a mild runny nose. Since we are facing that 2.5 to 3 year danger zone I thought I should begin interferon. Would you tell me what you use and how? I was told by a friend to start with human interferon. My vet never offered it as an alternative, so I am going to have to tell her what to prescribe and what dosage to give. If I did not have this list, we would never had made it past the first year. I appreciate your advice. Jane On Aug 13, 2008, at 10:45 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: Welcome to the list! I must admit, I feed pretty ordinary food. Would do better if I didn't do rescue and consequently have rescue cats. But I have 2 FELV cats that I acquired from Oklahoma, and they're over 10. I've had them for a few years, the previous owner had them for quite a few. They're not on anything special, except love and care. The vet for the previous owner had them vaccinated for FELV yearly - he thought it helped. Go figure. All my FELV cats are over 3. The problems I've had are at the age 2.5 to 3 yrs old, and never had one make it past that age. My current 'theory' is to use interferon till they get over 3 yrs. I have a friend with 1 FELV, and 1 non-FELV, and the FELV kitty made it to 3 yrs and beyond and she does keep him on interferon.. They're doing great too! Thanks for writing and for joining the list! Gloria in Arkansas At 08:31 PM 8/13/2008, you wrote: Hello! I'm new to this list. My husband and I have two FeLV positive cats. Bo is four, and Seven was a year old in June. We have them both on interferon and have regular well-cat visits with our vets. So far, Bo and Seven are in good health. I have read a lot recently about diets for cats with FeLV. Any tips from the folks here on what to look for in designing a good-health diet for our beloved cats? Glad to be a part of this list! Jody (and Bo Seven) -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] no vaxes?
A titer is a blood test that measures the amount of disease fighting anti-bodies in the blood at the time the blood is drawn. Vets who try to protect animals from over vaccination use them in a variety of ways. Google The Rabies Challenge. There is a trial that is now being lead by Jean Dodds DVM and other vets to prove that one vaccination is sufficient for the live time of an animal and that multiple vaccinations and boosters are often dangerous and damaging. This subject is highly controversial because if it is proven that we have been over vaccinating our pets, the economic impact on the veterinarian community and the pharmaceutical industry will be profound. Yearly checkups for shots and boosters has been the foundation of many practices. Changing the protocol from every year to every three years has met enormous resistance. You have to admire vets who are willing to challenge their profession and major drug lobbies, for the well being of animals. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?
My homeopathic vet does very few vaccinations. She does rabies titers whenever possible. She would never vaccinate a positive cat. I would be very frightened of any vet who would. Years ago I had a negative cat who became positive after the FeLV vaccination. I would urge everyone to read Catherine Diodoti's books on animal vaccines. I used to vaccinate yearly, until I ran into Dr Richard Pitcairn. Jane Not only do vets vaccinate cats who should not have anything else to stress their immune system and not only do they insist on vaccinating indoor-only cats, old cats and even ill cats, but they are now pushing the FIV vaccine which will turn the cat FIV+ so if he/she gets lost, picked up by animal control or taken to a vet by a rescuer, the cat will test positive for FIV and most likely be killed. Vaccines are NOT a miracle prevention. Many cats get sarcoma at the site of the vaccine. Other cats actually get the disease they are being vaccinated for from the vaccine. When I was a teen, I was vaccinated for Polio and got a mild case of Polio that paralyzed my right arm for almost a year. I still have some neurological problems from that. None of my personal cats are vaccinated. My adoption cats are only vaccinated with the FVRCP vaccine and the legally required rabies shot. Many of us here in rescue are opposed to other vaccines. - Original Message - From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes? On Aug 6, 2008, at 8:43 PM, Marylyn wrote: Some vets honestly believe vaccinations are in the best interest of the pet and her guardian. Dixie received s rabies shot before her tests came back. There was no reason to suspect that she was FeLV +. She was full grown and appeared very healthy. That was the last vaccination she received and that was with the blessing of her vets, both the regular vets and her holistic vets. Check out the comments and links by Dr. Maier at the bottom of the page: http://www.kentuckianapets.com/forum/topic/show?id=1246639%3ATopic %3A1517 We over vaccinate pets in our loving desire to protect them. You are your friend's guardian and advocate. He cannot stand up for himself. He is literally at your mercy. Do what your heart says is best with the best information you can get. On Aug 6, 2008, at 8:13 PM, Jennifer wrote: Really? I had no idea vets didn't need to vaccinate in order to neuter/spay. I guess it's their way of getting more money. I will run that by my vet and tell him I don't want Ash to get any shots because of his FeLV+ status, and see what he says. See, that's the thing that bugs me. Vets are supposed to be animal advocates and do what's right by them, and surely they know that giving FeLV+ cats vaccines isn't the best thing to do for their immune system...yet they do it anyway! It all comes down to the mighty dollar. Ugh! --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 12:30 AM He most assuredly can be. I have had non-FeLV+ spayed (much more serious) without their vaccinations. Talk to the vet and if you can't do anything find another one. I just took LCK and LGK to the vet to be checked out (they came in from the pine thicket--long story). They went in at different times. They are young (8 or so weeks) but at the age people start getting their shots. I made it very plain that I wanted nothing but worming, de-miting/fleaing etc and what they needed for their immediate health (one was dehydrated, vomiting etc). I want them to be older and better health before their system is assaulted with vaccines. The vets agreed to that and (unofficially) supported the decision. If he is not boarding the vet has absolutely no reason to vaccinate. On Aug 6, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Jennifer wrote: So wait...my Ash is FeLV+ and getting neutered on the 28th, but he's going in for all his shots on the 14th. He needs to be fixed because he's spraying and I can't have that. He can't be fixed without his vaxes. What should I do? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties
Sally, Junior was so handsome. Funny, I always pictured him as a grey and white kittie. I'm happy to have finally met him. I can imagine how much you miss him. Jane On Aug 1, 2008, at 10:44 PM, Sally Davis wrote: JJ is adorable Sharyl --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 8:43 PM Hi I have enjoyed the pictures. I added a couple to my website plus a little story told though JJ's eyes. I hope you enjoy it. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/viewtopic.php?f=5t=78 I will always miss my Junior. Sally On 8/1/08, Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone. Belinda posted pics of my kitties Morrison, Isobel and Ash. Check them out :) Thanks Belinda! Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) --- On Thu, 7/31/08, Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 3:12 AM Hi Jennifer, I have created a photo album for anyone who would like to post their kitties, positive or otherwise for all us to see. Just send me your photos in an email/s or if you know how to zip them you can do that. I will put them in your own album. Let me know what you would like your album name to be, try to keep it 5 words or less. The album is here: http://felvpositivefelines.org/album/ -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... BelindaSauro.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php? sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php? sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties
Great photos Jennifer. Thanks for sending them. It's great to connect faces with names. They are beautiful. Jane On Aug 1, 2008, at 6:38 PM, Jennifer wrote: Hi everyone. Belinda posted pics of my kitties Morrison, Isobel and Ash. Check them out :) Thanks Belinda! Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice. ~ loving mama to ~ Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000) Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007) Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008) --- On Thu, 7/31/08, Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 3:12 AM Hi Jennifer, I have created a photo album for anyone who would like to post their kitties, positive or otherwise for all us to see. Just send me your photos in an email/s or if you know how to zip them you can do that. I will put them in your own album. Let me know what you would like your album name to be, try to keep it 5 words or less. The album is here: http://felvpositivefelines.org/album/ -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... BelindaSauro.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties
I hope everyone who can will post photos. It is great to put a name with a face. I posted photos of my Felv positive MeMe to encourage anyone who is discouraged with a diagnosis. MeMe was highly symptomatic (severe diarrhea, runny nose, constant sneezing, giardia, stomatitis, swollen glands, no appetite). With the help of both an allopathic and homeopathic vet , she is symptom free and living a great life. She must have been an outdoor kittie because as soon as she started to feel well, she began crying to go out. She was relentless. Someone on the list recommended a cat jacket and it has been a life saver. She spends much of the day outside with her jacket and retractable leash, just hangin'. She has also learned to walk on it and often goes for walks with the dogs. When she has escaped, she has headed for the nearest tree and she can climbs as fast and as confidently as a squirrel. I've posted a few photos of the 'flying Walinda' in tree tops and I will post pictures of the cat jacket, should anyone have a cat who 'must' be out. Thanks again Belinda for creating this site. It is so much fun. Jane this is the link for the photos: http://felvpositivefelines.org/album/ On Jul 31, 2008, at 6:27 PM, lexingtongrn wrote: The photo album is very nice! blockquote dir=ltr style=MARGIN-RIGHT:0px; img src=http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/ tsmileys2/04.giffont face=Comic Sans MSPaula Howell/font/ blockquote - Original Message From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 11:12:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties Hi Jennifer, I have created a photo album for anyone who would like to post their kitties, positive or otherwise for all us to see. Just send me your photos in an email/s or if you know how to zip them you can do that. I will put them in your own album. Let me know what you would like your album name to be, try to keep it 5 words or less. The album is here: http://felvpositivefelines.org/album/ -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... BelindaSauro.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Buzz anemia update
It is so good to hear from you Sue. I've been hoping to see good news about Buzz. I'm praying that he can make a full recovery and that you can figure out a diet and supplement routine that will keep him stable. We're pulling for you. Please keep us posted. Jane On Jul 28, 2008, at 7:52 PM, Sharyl wrote: Sue, some fresh air on the deck sounds like good medicine to me. Glad it is regenerative and you got the doxy. Usually when a kitty isn't feeling well several small meals per day are better. You might try crushing up a folic acid tablet and adding it to his food with the vitamins. My FeLV+ kitties get 200 mcg of folic acid/day just as a precaution plus their Super B Complex.. Sharyl --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Sue Frank Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Sue Frank Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Felvtalk] Buzz anemia update To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 7:21 PM Hello everyone - Today I got doxycycline from the vet. It came in 50mg capsules which I have to open up and divide in two. I mix half with water and give it to Buzzy in a syringe. Half a capsule every 12 hours. Tomorrow he goes for some kind of protein test and possibly set him up with a specialist for a transfusion. When I questioned the vet she said his anemia is not the non- regenerative kind. Doesn't that mean there is more hope? He is still eating fairly well. I have cooked him chicken, and I am mixing some vitamins in with tuna. I feed him a little bit as often as I can; he seems to eat more that way. In a little while I will take him out on the deck to sit in my lap for a while. He loves smelling the fresh air. I hope this message goes through to the list, this is my fourth try. Thanks for all the help, more suggestions are still appreciated. Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Buzz might be sick
We're sending angels to you and Buzz. It's great he can be seen right away and hopefully he'll be treated and be feeling well soon. We're thinking of you. Jane n Jul 25, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Sue Koren wrote: Thanks, Sally, Buzz seems to be breathing fast, but I am not sure how he usually breaths. Like you said, panic mode. My husband is taking him at 10:40 am today because I am working. I want to be there so badly! Sue Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] question
Has anyone ever heard of a highly (FeLV) symptomatic cat who, with treatment, becomes asymptomatic and then retests negative? Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] question
Thanks both Laurie and Tonya. I was hoping for a different answer but we're grateful for no symptoms and for every good day. Thanks for responding. Jane On Jul 21, 2008, at 12:20 PM, Laurieskatz wrote: I have not. Isabella was highly symptomatic and with treatment is asymptomatic but still FeLV+. Laurie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:17 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] question Has anyone ever heard of a highly (FeLV) symptomatic cat who, with treatment, becomes asymptomatic and then retests negative? Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi - feline Luk positive
Marylyn I've been off this list since the server problem. I am so shocked and saddened to hear about Dixie. I know how much you loved her and can imagine how difficult it must be without her. She is so lucky to have felt safe and loved. I am so sorry. Jane On Jul 14, 2008, at 10:08 PM, Marylyn wrote: The first and really only thing I can tell you is to enjoy every minute you have with your wonderful friend while being alert for any infections/problems. Do not get hung up on the FeLV thing. Learn about it but do not let it ruin the time you have with your friend. That time may be long or short, as it may be with any of us. Dixie Louise Doodle Katt, JP enjoyed and I treasure three years with me. She had everything a little cat could want with the possible exception of mice to hunt. She had the best regular and holistic care from the day we found out she was FeLV+. She left this world suddenly after an infection that left her anemic. She was fine one day then two days later we were making a Code Three run to her vets 21/2 hours away. She left this world the next night, riding in the Jeep that took her on many adventures and with me by her side. I am sure she felt safe and loved. I would not trade one second with this wonderful little grey cat for all the pain I have felt since she left. Treasure your time. Give your friend the best you can and create a wonderful life for him and wonderful memories for yourself. Others on this list can make recommendations for care. Dixie had both regular and holistic care. Luckily I could/would afford this for her even if other things had to go. And, just as luckily, she loved to travel so getting her this care was very possible. There are a lot of supplements available. Listen to those on this list. Feed him the best possible diet.I really liked Primal Raw and no grain foods. Try to reduce the stress in your friend's life. Dixie had to tolerate living in a home that was being constructed and reconstructed but seemed to adapt wonderfully. Love your little friend with all your heart and let him love you with his. Good luck and blessings to you. On Jul 14, 2008, at 8:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last summer my son brought home a kitten who was between 2 1/2 and 3 weeks old. He found him beside his dead sibling. He was actually in good health. We bought some kitten formula and he drank like a horse. We worked on getting him use to people so that he could eventually get him into a rescue. My daughter who was living with me at the time took her cat in for his regular shots, and took kiwi with her so she could be looked at. I guess kiwi was about 3 months old then. We were very shocked when kiwi came back positive for feline luk. The doctors asked without saying the words if we wanted to put him asleep. We said no. At that point she was and kind of still is a very healthy happy one year old who loves to wrestle with our cocker and would love to play with my daughter's Japanese Bob Tail Cat, but unfortunately we have to keep them separate. The Japanese Bob Tail Cat has been immunized against Feline Luk, but we have also heard that the shot does not offer 100% protection. It's sad because they use to love to play together. We were hoping that in a few months kiwi would come back negative, but he came back positive for the second test. He still is very active, but he has been having trouble with loose bowels. He is also a bit on the thin side. I don't have the money to take him to the vets and we have tried to find him a rescue and or foster home, but right now it doesn't seem like any are available. One thing positive is that we were able to find an organization to neuter him. Now he doesn't spray. Thank God! He is funny sometimes. Some times he gets one of his claws caught in things like curtains, and cat toys. He was trying to catch a fly one day by our back patio window and his nail got caught in the curtain and he couldn't get free. He was scared and somehow got himself wrapped in the curtain. He was so grateful when I freed him. His favorite toy is a 3 inch round black rubber spider. He loves carrying it around in the house. I don't let him play with it unless someone is here with him because I worry about him swallowing it and it getting stuck in his intestines causing a blockage. He also loves laser pointers. She loves chasing the dot on the floor or wall. He loves the little jingle cat balls, or strings. One thing I don't understand is that she enjoys licking our cocker spaniels face. He is such a funny cat. Besides that he loves to check everything out. He is the curious little cat. I would enclose a picture of him but I am new to this site and I don't know if that is allowed. Well, enough for now. I would appreciate advise from anyone on raising a feline luk positive cat. Thanks! Robin Pine
Re: spaying
hi guys this seems to be the last post I have rec'd from the list. Is something wrong? At one point I was asked to sign in, which I did, but that was a long time ago. I hope everyone is ok ...it feels so strange not being connected. If anyone can help, I would appreciate it. On Apr 25, 2008, at 9:45 PM, laurieskatz wrote: Lynne, maybe you can request oxygen? My Frankie is having surgery to remove some lumps and have them biopsied tomorrow. He is asthmatic. I requested oxygen. L - Original Message - From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:45 PM Subject: Re: spaying Thanks Dede, I realize I'm concerned about a procedure that is routine but I was still worried about her little pushed in nose and having difficulty in breathing while under but the technician I spoke to told me that she would be carefully monitored during the procedure. After all she has been through in her short 3 years I just feel bad about having to subject her to anything that involves pain. She's just so happy now. And I'm still kind of in disbelief about what happened with BooBoo. I just don't take anything for granted anymore when it comes to my pets. Lynne - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:14 PM Subject: Re: spaying Lynne, I know how you feel. Your new little one is healthy. If you go to a capable vet that uses iso for anesthesis, and does monitoring, she'll be fine. I have seen the proceedure done many times. We waited almost a year to do our Dusty because she has a hypoplastic trachia, and asthma. I was a basket case, but my wonderful vet called a specialist, and they used a kitten sized tube to intubate her during the surgery. She is now 10 yrs old...fat and very content. Good luck and God bless. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 --- On Thu, 4/24/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: spaying To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 24, 2008, 9:47 PM Hi all, I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you can tell she is really happy. The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him. Lynne _ ___ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Buzz test
Hi Sue Here's my take on Buzz's retest : if he looks and acts like a healthy cat, if he plays and eats as a healthy cat would, He's a healthy cat ! I've spent the past year nursing a positive, highly symptomatic kitten to a place where she looks, acts, eats, and plays like the healthiest cat I've ever known. I've decided to take her lead and have made a conscious decision to treat her if she were negative, and that her positive test was an anomaly. I'll continue her wellness regime (the best diet, l-lycine, FortiFlora, DMG and Thullium met) and her 'bliss therapy' and if there are any symptoms or set backs, we'll deal with them. I think the best thing you can do for Buzz is what you have been doing. Love and hope and care move mountains. Apparently Buzz thinks he is healthy and supporting him seems to be the best strategy. Long live Buzz! Jane On May 7, 2008, at 7:55 AM, Sue Koren wrote: Hello everyone... Buzz finally had his test yesterday and it was positive again. My vet tells me it is very rare for a cat to become negative after the second test after three months has come back positive. Is that what everyones experience has been? The vet also said he seems to be very healthy, so we will count our blessings. I tried to put this vets name on the vet list that MaryChristine gave a link to recently but the site will not let me do anything. This vet has been very supportive and is willing to learn more about FeLV+ options. Thank you to everybody here for all the help and advise you put on this list. I am pretty new and not very knowledgeable so I don't participate that much, but I read everything and it helps a lot. Sue
Re: Today is test day
Thinking of you and Buzz with fingers crossed. Jane On Apr 24, 2008, at 9:16 AM, Debi Holmes wrote: Sue, I will be thinking of you and Buzz all day. I hope the retest comes back negative! Let us know. Debi H. Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everybody, Today after work I will take Buzz to have his first re-test since he was diagnosed positive for FeLV. I am trying not to hope too much, but there is a bottle of champagne in the fridge if he turns out negative. Tuna for Buzz - I don't think he likes champagne. Meanwhile he has been released from his room and is socializing with the other cats. I did some of the things the people in this group recommended and that probably helped. All went well until a couple of days ago when some electricians came to our house. He really freaked! He hid for 8 hours after they were gone. His fear probably had something to do with the abuse he received as a kitten. Anyway, if anyone would care to say a prayer for my little kitty it sure would be appreciated. Sue Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: test
I do not think mine goes through On Apr 18, 2008, at 6:15 PM, Sally Davis wrote: I got this, so I am assuming everything is ok. Sally On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Mail was bouncing. Sally -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php? sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php? sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
