[Felvtalk] Thank you
Thank you so much to everyone who has replied regarding handling Baby. The viewpoints are so useful to me and will be to my cousin as well. Thank you, - Lorraine "Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no one can imagine." - Alan Turing ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Sounds like it might be time for the poem someone sent when we lost Tigg Lend Me a Kitten I will lend you a kitten for awhile, God said. For you to love while he lives, and mourn when he's dead. Maybe for twelve or fourteen years, or maybe two or three. But will you, 'till I call him back, take care of him for me? He'll bring his charms to gladden you, and should his stay be brief You'll always have his memories as solace for your grief. I cannot promise he will stay, since all from earth return. But there are lessons taught below I want this kitten to learn. I've looked the whole world over, in search of teachers true. And from the folks that crowd life's land, I have chosen you. Now will you give him all your love, not think the labor vain? Nor hate me when I come to take my kitten home again? I fancied that I heard them say 'Dear Lord Thy Will Be Done'. For all the joys this kitten brings, the risk of grief we'll run. We'll shelter him with tenderness, we'll love him while we may. And for the happiness we've known, forever grateful stay. But should you call him back, much sooner than we planned, We'll brave the bitter grief that comes, and try to understand. If, by our love we've managed your wishes to achieve, Then in memory of him whom we loved, please help us while we grieve. When our cherished kitten departs this world of strife, Please send yet another needing soul for us to love all his life. Author Unknown -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of kresch...@mchsi.com Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 8:31 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank you all. . . How very kind of you Katherine, Amani, kat and Marlene for your kind words about Zorro. We are going to the shelter today to adopt another kitty. Some say there must be adequate time between cats in order to have honored the one who has passed. Perhaps. I, on the other hand, believe there is a cat waiting for me at the shelter. In fact, last Sunday when the staff of our shelter arrived to work, they found several U-Haul boxes of cats at the door! In total there were 40 kittens to four-year olds in the boxes. I saw a Tux among the mix and am going to see him today. I'm also going to ask the vet to test him for FeLv at my cost. Also, I believe we must get rid of the litter pan from Zorro just to be on the safe side. Again, thank you all for your outreach; it means far more than you might know, Ken ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Thank you all. . .
We each have different needs after a pet pashe's before bringing another baby home. I adopted Sunny 5 days after Mozart died. Sunny had been my foster for 2 months. On Oct 17, 2017 1:29 PM, <dlg...@windstream.net> wrote: yOU ARE RIGHT. iF YOU WAIT FOR GRIEVING TO PASS, A KITTEN MAY DIE. Right now is the time to get another one to help in the grieving process. kresch...@mchsi.com wrote: > How very kind of you Katherine, Amani, kat and Marlene for your kind words about Zorro. We are going to the shelter today to adopt another kitty. Some say there must be adequate time between cats in order to have honored the one who has passed. Perhaps. I, on the other hand, believe there is a cat waiting for me at the shelter. In fact, last Sunday when the staff of our shelter arrived to work, they found several U-Haul boxes of cats at the door! In total there were 40 kittens to four-year olds in the boxes. I saw a Tux among the mix and am going to see him today. I'm also going to ask the vet to test him for FeLv at my cost. Also, I believe we must get rid of the litter pan from Zorro just to be on the safe side. > > Again, thank you all for your outreach; it means far more than you might know, > Ken > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] boxes of cats ?? (was: Thank you all. . .
lAt least they brought them to the shelter. kresch...@mchsi.com wrote: > Hi Kat, > I live in Dubuque, Iowa and when I talked to the staff they said no notes > were attached. The cats were all relatively healthy; many had fleas, but were > otherwise fine. There were two nursing momma cats, but one had no kittens so > the staff feared she may have hid them. They searched the grounds but found > no although they did capture a couple of cats that escaped the boxes and were > in a tree! In just over a week all the cats were spayed or neutered, > vaccinated and adopted out! The shelter put "You-haul it!" signs by those > that were in the boxes. The Tux I have on hold was among those dropped off. > All the adoption fees were waived and donations were all that were requested. > Ken > - Original Message - > From: kat <merrykatme...@email.com> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 09:43:22 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: [Felvtalk] boxes of cats ?? (was: Thank you all. . . > > > Hi Ken, > > > > Which shelter is this? Just curious how someone could just drop > off several boxes of cats... > > Are they all doing well after being taken in at the shelter? > Approx how old are the kittens? > > This just boggles my mind. > > > > Kat (Mew Jersey) > > > > Sent:Tuesday, October 17, 2017 > at 9:31 AM > From:kresch...@mchsi.com > To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject:[Felvtalk] Thank you all. . . > > How very kind of you Katherine, Amani, kat and Marlene for your kind > words about Zorro. We are going to the shelter today to adopt another kitty. > Some say there must be adequate time between cats in order to have honored > the one who has passed. Perhaps. I, on the other hand, believe there is a cat > waiting for me at the shelter. In fact, last Sunday when the staff of our > shelter arrived to work, they found several U-Haul boxes of cats at the door! > In total there were 40 kittens to four-year olds in the boxes. I saw a Tux > among the mix and am going to see him today. Im also going to ask the > vet to test him for FeLv at my cost. Also, I believe we must get rid of the > litter pan from Zorro just to be on the safe side. > > Again, thank you all for your outreach; it means far more than you might > know, > Ken > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > href="http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org; > target="_blank">http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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yOU ARE RIGHT. iF YOU WAIT FOR GRIEVING TO PASS, A KITTEN MAY DIE. Right now is the time to get another one to help in the grieving process. kresch...@mchsi.com wrote: > How very kind of you Katherine, Amani, kat and Marlene for your kind words > about Zorro. We are going to the shelter today to adopt another kitty. Some > say there must be adequate time between cats in order to have honored the one > who has passed. Perhaps. I, on the other hand, believe there is a cat waiting > for me at the shelter. In fact, last Sunday when the staff of our shelter > arrived to work, they found several U-Haul boxes of cats at the door! In > total there were 40 kittens to four-year olds in the boxes. I saw a Tux > among the mix and am going to see him today. I'm also going to ask the vet to > test him for FeLv at my cost. Also, I believe we must get rid of the litter > pan from Zorro just to be on the safe side. > > Again, thank you all for your outreach; it means far more than you might know, > Ken > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] boxes of cats ?? (was: Thank you all. . .
Hi Kat, I live in Dubuque, Iowa and when I talked to the staff they said no notes were attached. The cats were all relatively healthy; many had fleas, but were otherwise fine. There were two nursing momma cats, but one had no kittens so the staff feared she may have hid them. They searched the grounds but found no although they did capture a couple of cats that escaped the boxes and were in a tree! In just over a week all the cats were spayed or neutered, vaccinated and adopted out! The shelter put "You-haul it!" signs by those that were in the boxes. The Tux I have on hold was among those dropped off. All the adoption fees were waived and donations were all that were requested. Ken - Original Message - From: kat <merrykatme...@email.com> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 09:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] boxes of cats ?? (was: Thank you all. . . Hi Ken, Which shelter is this? Just curious how someone could just drop off several boxes of cats... Are they all doing well after being taken in at the shelter? Approx how old are the kittens? This just boggles my mind. Kat (Mew Jersey) Sent:Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 9:31 AM From:kresch...@mchsi.com To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject:[Felvtalk] Thank you all. . . How very kind of you Katherine, Amani, kat and Marlene for your kind words about Zorro. We are going to the shelter today to adopt another kitty. Some say there must be adequate time between cats in order to have honored the one who has passed. Perhaps. I, on the other hand, believe there is a cat waiting for me at the shelter. In fact, last Sunday when the staff of our shelter arrived to work, they found several U-Haul boxes of cats at the door! In total there were 40 kittens to four-year olds in the boxes. I saw a Tux among the mix and am going to see him today. Im also going to ask the vet to test him for FeLv at my cost. Also, I believe we must get rid of the litter pan from Zorro just to be on the safe side. Again, thank you all for your outreach; it means far more than you might know, Ken ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org; target="_blank">http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] boxes of cats ?? (was: Thank you all. . .
Hi Ken, Which shelter is this? Just curious how someone could just drop off several boxes of cats... Are they all doing well after being taken in at the shelter? Approx how old are the kittens? This just boggles my mind. Kat (Mew Jersey) Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 9:31 AM From: kresch...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank you all. . . How very kind of you Katherine, Amani, kat and Marlene for your kind words about Zorro. We are going to the shelter today to adopt another kitty. Some say there must be adequate time between cats in order to have honored the one who has passed. Perhaps. I, on the other hand, believe there is a cat waiting for me at the shelter. In fact, last Sunday when the staff of our shelter arrived to work, they found several U-Haul boxes of cats at the door! In total there were 40 kittens to four-year olds in the boxes. I saw a Tux among the mix and am going to see him today. I'm also going to ask the vet to test him for FeLv at my cost. Also, I believe we must get rid of the litter pan from Zorro just to be on the safe side. Again, thank you all for your outreach; it means far more than you might know, Ken ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Thank you all. . .
How very kind of you Katherine, Amani, kat and Marlene for your kind words about Zorro. We are going to the shelter today to adopt another kitty. Some say there must be adequate time between cats in order to have honored the one who has passed. Perhaps. I, on the other hand, believe there is a cat waiting for me at the shelter. In fact, last Sunday when the staff of our shelter arrived to work, they found several U-Haul boxes of cats at the door! In total there were 40 kittens to four-year olds in the boxes. I saw a Tux among the mix and am going to see him today. I'm also going to ask the vet to test him for FeLv at my cost. Also, I believe we must get rid of the litter pan from Zorro just to be on the safe side. Again, thank you all for your outreach; it means far more than you might know, Ken ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Thank you all
Figaro has appointment Mon afternoon now. All the Z's protocol, retesting & neutering will get addressed SOON =~D ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Find some more to file their garage. It seemed that when one goes, another shows up on my doorstep or at the shelter. I usually call and ask them for special needs because they do not get adopted, just sit in the cages, waiting. Even though they may not last long I can give them some love and care for the time they have. Marsha <mar...@lynxe.com> wrote: > I would like to sincerely thank you all who sent condolences on my loss > of Brock, and showed so much compassion and support. So many kind > words! Brock was my last FeLV+ cat, and now his (and Harley's and > Milkdud's) garage domain feels so empty and quiet. The toddler slide I > bought for Brock sits unassembled. I had to buy mouse traps for the > first time since 2009 (caught 2 since Brock died). "The Sound of > Silence" performed by Disturbed has become their memorial song. The > main house, however, is not so silent. 11 cats remain (1 for not much > longer), and a few of them get pretty chatty. LOUDLY chatty. :-P > > All those who care for special needs cats are the bravest of the brave, > and anybody (ESPECIALLY a therapist or counselor) who gets judgey about > it - well those people can just go stuff it. > > Marsha > > (who looked for compassion and support in the wrong place, but found it > here, with people who understand. Again, thank you so much.) > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Thank you
I would like to sincerely thank you all who sent condolences on my loss of Brock, and showed so much compassion and support. So many kind words! Brock was my last FeLV+ cat, and now his (and Harley's and Milkdud's) garage domain feels so empty and quiet. The toddler slide I bought for Brock sits unassembled. I had to buy mouse traps for the first time since 2009 (caught 2 since Brock died). "The Sound of Silence" performed by Disturbed has become their memorial song. The main house, however, is not so silent. 11 cats remain (1 for not much longer), and a few of them get pretty chatty. LOUDLY chatty. :-P All those who care for special needs cats are the bravest of the brave, and anybody (ESPECIALLY a therapist or counselor) who gets judgey about it - well those people can just go stuff it. Marsha (who looked for compassion and support in the wrong place, but found it here, with people who understand. Again, thank you so much.) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Thank you!
Thank you to everyone for the kind words about my Tigger! Amani - you are so correct that "if love could have saved him, he would have lived forever". . . and to everyone who has sent their sympathies, I do feel better when you say that I did everything possible for him. Ardy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please remove me from your mailing list - thank you
You do that yourself by clicking on the bottom link of each Felvtalk message and filling out the resulting form. On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:55 AM, Glenda Kelly kellyglend...@yahoo.comwrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar) Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU
Dear All Update on my Dilemma and numerous questions.. The little feral cat from my aunt's house is now safely in a large cage on my back deck. Phew! Forgotten Felines lent me the cage and advised that should be her transition place. She's mad as heck and won't look at me and hisses, but lets me clean the litter box, give her food and change the water. But this is only day 2. She seems to be healing from her tail amputation, and her hind leg wound/tumor (they aren't sure). My goal is to let her stay in my yard - not my favorite thing, but can work (birds: beware). I am open to finding her a home if she turns out to be friendly enough. I will Never take her to a shelter or give her away to anyone I don't know and can't check up on. She's had it tough enough already. I call her Hemy (sorta short for Himalayan?). She's half lot of things: she was already spayed; she is at least half Himalayan; she is half feral and half friendly; she has a little clef palate; she is blue-eyed and although looked awful with a damaged tail she is a 9 lb. 6 oz. beauty! If she ever forgives me for causing her this trauma, we may get to be friends! I am considering building a larger enclosure for her, and maybe could use it to give the indoor cats some time outside. And thank you all so much for your help! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU
I pet sit for a feral cat. She was trapped released the lady re-released her at her new house when she moved. I would have to leave the front door open so she could sneak inside. She now runs up to my car begs to be picked up. Yet the woman still calls her feral, LOL. So Hemy may very well come around. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU Poor Hemy must be very upset; but the fact that she’s not lunging at you when you tend to her needs, proves that she’s not a true feral! An outdoor enclosure for your cats and Hemy (separated, and where she could live all the time) would be great – then you wouldn’t have to worry about her safety and the birds! But if she has a cleft palate, how is she managing to eat and survive? Good luck! From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 12:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU Importance: High Dear All Update on my “Dilemma” and numerous “questions”…. The little “feral” cat from my aunt’s house is now safely in a large cage on my back deck. Phew! Forgotten Felines lent me the cage and advised that should be her transition place. She’s “mad as heck” and won’t look at me and hisses, but lets me clean the litter box, give her food and change the water. But this is only day 2. She seems to be healing from her tail amputation, and her hind leg wound/tumor (they aren’t sure). My goal is to let her stay in my yard – not my favorite thing, but can work (birds: beware). I am open to finding her a home if she turns out to be friendly enough. I will Never take her to a “shelter” or give her away to anyone I don’t know and can’t check up on. She’s had it tough enough already. I call her Hemy (sorta short for Himalayan?). She’s “half” lot of things: she was already spayed; she is at least half Himalayan; she is half feral and half friendly; she has a little clef palate; she is blue-eyed and although looked awful with a damaged tail she is a 9 lb. 6 oz. beauty! If she ever forgives me for causing her this trauma, we may get to be friends! I am considering building a larger enclosure for her, and maybe could use it to give the indoor cats some time outside. And thank you all so much for your help! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU
Not just the south. Here in the midwest it has been unbearable. That is why my pride stays inside most of the day. They go out early morning and back in within an hour. Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: I hope the weather outside is tolerable for her. It's too hot here in the south!! I'm melting, lol! - Original Message - From: Beth To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU I pet sit for a feral cat. She was trapped released the lady re-released her at her new house when she moved. I would have to leave the front door open so she could sneak inside. She now runs up to my car begs to be picked up. Yet the woman still calls her feral, LOL. So Hemy may very well come around. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org -- From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU Poor Hemy must be very upset; but the fact that she’s not lunging at you when you tend to her needs, proves that she’s not a true feral! An outdoor enclosure for your cats and Hemy (separated, and where she could live all the time) would be great – then you wouldn’t have to worry about her safety and the birds! But if she has a cleft palate, how is she managing to eat and survive? Good luck! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 12:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU Importance: High Dear All Update on my “Dilemma” and numerous “questions”…. The little “feral” cat from my aunt’s house is now safely in a large cage on my back deck. Phew! Forgotten Felines lent me the cage and advised that should be her transition place. She’s “mad as heck” and won’t look at me and hisses, but lets me clean the litter box, give her food and change the water. But this is only day 2. She seems to be healing from her tail amputation, and her hind leg wound/tumor (they aren’t sure). My goal is to let her stay in my yard – not my favorite thing, but can work (birds: beware). I am open to finding her a home if she turns out to be friendly enough. I will Never take her to a “shelter” or give her away to anyone I don’t know and can’t check up on. She’s had it tough enough already. I call her Hemy (sorta short for Himalayan?). She’s “half” lot of things: she was already spayed; she is at least half Himalayan; she is half feral and half friendly; she has a little clef palate; she is blue-eyed and although looked awful with a damaged tail she is a 9 lb. 6 oz. beauty! If she ever forgives me for causing her this trauma, we may get to be friends! I am considering building a larger enclosure for her, and maybe could use it to give the indoor cats some time outside. And thank you all so much for your help! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU
I like the outdoor enclosure idea best! I am owrking on plans for my pride. Thinking about roofing half of it so they could be out when I am gone during the day. Then, if it rained or the sun was very hot, they could find shelter. Also, I could get a solar pump and put in a fountain in a small pool for them. Harley would especially love this! He loves water and comes in the shower with me. He has also watched me and learned how to flush the toilet so he can watch the water spin around. Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Dear All Update on my Dilemma and numerous questions.. The little feral cat from my aunt's house is now safely in a large cage on my back deck. Phew! Forgotten Felines lent me the cage and advised that should be her transition place. She's mad as heck and won't look at me and hisses, but lets me clean the litter box, give her food and change the water. But this is only day 2. She seems to be healing from her tail amputation, and her hind leg wound/tumor (they aren't sure). My goal is to let her stay in my yard - not my favorite thing, but can work (birds: beware). I am open to finding her a home if she turns out to be friendly enough. I will Never take her to a shelter or give her away to anyone I don't know and can't check up on. She's had it tough enough already. I call her Hemy (sorta short for Himalayan?). She's half lot of things: she was already spayed; she is at least half Himalayan; she is half feral and half friendly; she has a little clef palate; she is blue-eyed and although looked awful with a damaged tail she is a 9 lb. 6 oz. beauty! If she ever forgives me for causing her this trauma, we may get to be friends! I am considering building a larger enclosure for her, and maybe could use it to give the indoor cats some time outside. And thank you all so much for your help! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU
Feral is a badge of honor to some of us. These cats are the best and the brightest. They have survived when all the odds were against them. My little guys are ferals and they have lived with me, travel with me, and owned me for over three yearssince they were 8 weeks old and came out of the pine thicket. One feral, the first to own me, lived in our homes for 16 years. He was born feral and died feral. It is almost a very special breed of cat although not a rare one. On Aug 12, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Beth wrote:. I pet sit for a feral cat. She was trapped released the lady re-released her at her new house when she moved. I would have to leave the front door open so she could sneak inside. She now runs up to my car begs to be picked up. Yet the woman still calls her feral, LOL. So Hemy may very well come around. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU Poor Hemy must be very upset; but the fact that she’s not lunging at you when you tend to her needs, proves that she’s not a true feral! An outdoor enclosure for your cats and Hemy (separated, and where she could live all the time) would be great – then you wouldn’t have to worry about her safety and the birds! But if she has a cleft palate, how is she managing to eat and survive? Good luck! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 12:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU Importance: High Dear All Update on my “Dilemma” and numerous “questions”…. The little “feral” cat from my aunt’s house is now safely in a large cage on my back deck. Phew! Forgotten Felines lent me the cage and advised that should be her transition place. She’s “mad as heck” and won’t look at me and hisses, but lets me clean the litter box, give her food and change the water. But this is only day 2. She seems to be healing from her tail amputation, and her hind leg wound/tumor (they aren’t sure). My goal is to let her stay in my yard – not my favorite thing, but can work (birds: beware). I am open to finding her a home if she turns out to be friendly enough. I will Never take her to a “shelter” or give her away to anyone I don’t know and can’t check up on. She’s had it tough enough already. I call her Hemy (sorta short for Himalayan?). She’s “half” lot of things: she was already spayed; she is at least half Himalayan; she is half feral and half friendly; she has a little clef palate; she is blue-eyed and although looked awful with a damaged tail she is a 9 lb. 6 oz. beauty! If she ever forgives me for causing her this trauma, we may get to be friends! I am considering building a larger enclosure for her, and maybe could use it to give the indoor cats some time outside. And thank you all so much for your help! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU
That's what we did' one has half a roof, the others have window screening over the wire mesh - cuts down on debris and rain. Another one has a sun umbrella standing over part of it - and guess what...most cats lie in the sun on the hottest of days! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 5:18 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU I like the outdoor enclosure idea best! I am owrking on plans for my pride. Thinking about roofing half of it so they could be out when I am gone during the day. Then, if it rained or the sun was very hot, they could find shelter. Also, I could get a solar pump and put in a fountain in a small pool for them. Harley would especially love this! He loves water and comes in the shower with me. He has also watched me and learned how to flush the toilet so he can watch the water spin around. Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Dear All Update on my Dilemma and numerous questions.. The little feral cat from my aunt's house is now safely in a large cage on my back deck. Phew! Forgotten Felines lent me the cage and advised that should be her transition place. She's mad as heck and won't look at me and hisses, but lets me clean the litter box, give her food and change the water. But this is only day 2. She seems to be healing from her tail amputation, and her hind leg wound/tumor (they aren't sure). My goal is to let her stay in my yard - not my favorite thing, but can work (birds: beware). I am open to finding her a home if she turns out to be friendly enough. I will Never take her to a shelter or give her away to anyone I don't know and can't check up on. She's had it tough enough already. I call her Hemy (sorta short for Himalayan?). She's half lot of things: she was already spayed; she is at least half Himalayan; she is half feral and half friendly; she has a little clef palate; she is blue-eyed and although looked awful with a damaged tail she is a 9 lb. 6 oz. beauty! If she ever forgives me for causing her this trauma, we may get to be friends! I am considering building a larger enclosure for her, and maybe could use it to give the indoor cats some time outside. And thank you all so much for your help! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU
I am still trying to figure out that one. Could it be because cats originally comes from the hottest parts of the world. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: That's what we did' one has half a roof, the others have window screening over the wire mesh - cuts down on debris and rain. Another one has a sun umbrella standing over part of it - and guess what...most cats lie in the sun on the hottest of days! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 5:18 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU I like the outdoor enclosure idea best! I am owrking on plans for my pride. Thinking about roofing half of it so they could be out when I am gone during the day. Then, if it rained or the sun was very hot, they could find shelter. Also, I could get a solar pump and put in a fountain in a small pool for them. Harley would especially love this! He loves water and comes in the shower with me. He has also watched me and learned how to flush the toilet so he can watch the water spin around. Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Dear All Update on my Dilemma and numerous questions.. The little feral cat from my aunt's house is now safely in a large cage on my back deck. Phew! Forgotten Felines lent me the cage and advised that should be her transition place. She's mad as heck and won't look at me and hisses, but lets me clean the litter box, give her food and change the water. But this is only day 2. She seems to be healing from her tail amputation, and her hind leg wound/tumor (they aren't sure). My goal is to let her stay in my yard - not my favorite thing, but can work (birds: beware). I am open to finding her a home if she turns out to be friendly enough. I will Never take her to a shelter or give her away to anyone I don't know and can't check up on. She's had it tough enough already. I call her Hemy (sorta short for Himalayan?). She's half lot of things: she was already spayed; she is at least half Himalayan; she is half feral and half friendly; she has a little clef palate; she is blue-eyed and although looked awful with a damaged tail she is a 9 lb. 6 oz. beauty! If she ever forgives me for causing her this trauma, we may get to be friends! I am considering building a larger enclosure for her, and maybe could use it to give the indoor cats some time outside. And thank you all so much for your help! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU
Yea but my theory is where the cats lie is the coolest spot. They somehow find the slightest breeze or the floor is cool or something--but there's a reason why they lie where they do! LOL -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 5:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU That's what we did' one has half a roof, the others have window screening over the wire mesh - cuts down on debris and rain. Another one has a sun umbrella standing over part of it - and guess what...most cats lie in the sun on the hottest of days! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 5:18 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU I like the outdoor enclosure idea best! I am owrking on plans for my pride. Thinking about roofing half of it so they could be out when I am gone during the day. Then, if it rained or the sun was very hot, they could find shelter. Also, I could get a solar pump and put in a fountain in a small pool for them. Harley would especially love this! He loves water and comes in the shower with me. He has also watched me and learned how to flush the toilet so he can watch the water spin around. Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Dear All Update on my Dilemma and numerous questions.. The little feral cat from my aunt's house is now safely in a large cage on my back deck. Phew! Forgotten Felines lent me the cage and advised that should be her transition place. She's mad as heck and won't look at me and hisses, but lets me clean the litter box, give her food and change the water. But this is only day 2. She seems to be healing from her tail amputation, and her hind leg wound/tumor (they aren't sure). My goal is to let her stay in my yard - not my favorite thing, but can work (birds: beware). I am open to finding her a home if she turns out to be friendly enough. I will Never take her to a shelter or give her away to anyone I don't know and can't check up on. She's had it tough enough already. I call her Hemy (sorta short for Himalayan?). She's half lot of things: she was already spayed; she is at least half Himalayan; she is half feral and half friendly; she has a little clef palate; she is blue-eyed and although looked awful with a damaged tail she is a 9 lb. 6 oz. beauty! If she ever forgives me for causing her this trauma, we may get to be friends! I am considering building a larger enclosure for her, and maybe could use it to give the indoor cats some time outside. And thank you all so much for your help! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU
I used a 12x6x6 foot dog kennel with a topper attached to a bathroom window by ductwork and a pet door. Others have great outdoor areas available but this is fairly quick and, ifthe door is secured with a lock, pretty secure. On Aug 12, 2011, at 4:17 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I like the outdoor enclosure idea best! I am owrking on plans for my pride. Thinking about roofing half of it so they could be out when I am gone during the day. Then, if it rained or the sun was very hot, they could find shelter. Also, I could get a solar pump and put in a fountain in a small pool for them. Harley would especially love this! He loves water and comes in the shower with me. He has also watched me and learned how to flush the toilet so he can watch the water spin around. Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Dear All Update on my Dilemma and numerous questions.. The little feral cat from my aunt's house is now safely in a large cage on my back deck. Phew! Forgotten Felines lent me the cage and advised that should be her transition place. She's mad as heck and won't look at me and hisses, but lets me clean the litter box, give her food and change the water. But this is only day 2. She seems to be healing from her tail amputation, and her hind leg wound/tumor (they aren't sure). My goal is to let her stay in my yard - not my favorite thing, but can work (birds: beware). I am open to finding her a home if she turns out to be friendly enough. I will Never take her to a shelter or give her away to anyone I don't know and can't check up on. She's had it tough enough already. I call her Hemy (sorta short for Himalayan?). She's half lot of things: she was already spayed; she is at least half Himalayan; she is half feral and half friendly; she has a little clef palate; she is blue-eyed and although looked awful with a damaged tail she is a 9 lb. 6 oz. beauty! If she ever forgives me for causing her this trauma, we may get to be friends! I am considering building a larger enclosure for her, and maybe could use it to give the indoor cats some time outside. And thank you all so much for your help! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU
On Aug 12, 2011, at 4:25 PM, MaiMaiPG wrote: Feral is a badge of honor to some of us. These cats are the best and the brightest. They have survived when all the odds were against them. My little guys are ferals and they have lived with me, travel with me, and owned me for over three yearssince they were 8 weeks old and came out of the pine thicket. One feral, the first to own me, lived in our homes for 16 years. He was born feral and died feral. It is almost a very special breed of cat although not a rare one. On Aug 12, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Beth wrote:. I pet sit for a feral cat. She was trapped released the lady re-released her at her new house when she moved. I would have to leave the front door open so she could sneak inside. She now runs up to my car begs to be picked up. Yet the woman still calls her feral, LOL. So Hemy may very well come around. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU Poor Hemy must be very upset; but the fact that she’s not lunging at you when you tend to her needs, proves that she’s not a true feral! An outdoor enclosure for your cats and Hemy (separated, and where she could live all the time) would be great – then you wouldn’t have to worry about her safety and the birds! But if she has a cleft palate, how is she managing to eat and survive? Good luck! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 12:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy THANK YOU Importance: High Dear All Update on my “Dilemma” and numerous “questions”…. The little “feral” cat from my aunt’s house is now safely in a large cage on my back deck. Phew! Forgotten Felines lent me the cage and advised that ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] LTCI thank you!
Beth: Thank you for the info that it helped with your FeLV baby's stomatitis. I wish I had had that info 8 years ago! Well, having all of his teeth removed was the real way he got past it. :P What amazes me is that usually by the time cats show symptoms, the virus is really running rampant. But since his oral surgery and the introduction of LTCI, he hasn't had any kind of symptoms at all again, and his bloodwork now is better than it was then. Our vet said she'd never seen anything like it before. I don't know if it's the LTCI or not, for sure, but if it ain't broke... Again, thanks, everyone, for your help! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] LTCI thank you!
Sean - Thank you for the info that it helped with your FeLV baby's stomatitis. I wish I had had that info 8 years ago! Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Thu, 3/24/11, Sean T. Collins nonservia...@gmail.com wrote: From: Sean T. Collins nonservia...@gmail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] LTCI thank you! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 8:48 PM Beth, Sharyl, Andy, thank you so much for your concern and help! And Andy, thank you for the link to tcyte.com—I was unaware of that site. Fortunately, I got good news from the staff at the vet today: Felix's doctor was able to order the medicine using one of the numbers I sniffed up from the Internet! I didn't speak to her directly, so I'm not sure which one worked, but it would have been associated with either AgriLabs or its subdivision ProLabs, which I believe bought out Imulan, the company that used to manufacture the medicine. (Of course, now I have no idea how TCyte factors into all this...) If and when my wife or I speak to her directly, I will find out which number worked and share it here. Thanks again, with all my heart! Sean ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] LTCI thank you!
Beth, Sharyl, Andy, thank you so much for your concern and help! And Andy, thank you for the link to tcyte.com—I was unaware of that site. Fortunately, I got good news from the staff at the vet today: Felix's doctor was able to order the medicine using one of the numbers I sniffed up from the Internet! I didn't speak to her directly, so I'm not sure which one worked, but it would have been associated with either AgriLabs or its subdivision ProLabs, which I believe bought out Imulan, the company that used to manufacture the medicine. (Of course, now I have no idea how TCyte factors into all this...) If and when my wife or I speak to her directly, I will find out which number worked and share it here. Thanks again, with all my heart! Sean ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] LTCI thank you!
Hi Sean,Tcyte (Dr. Beardsley) was the original company who developed the LTCI. The LTCI was very reasonably priced. Tcyte was in the midst of trials. The marketing rights? were sold to Imulan in the midst of the initial trials, who then inflated the price terribly. Imulan then sold (probably the marketing rights) to Agrilabs.I'm glad that Tcyte is once again marketing the LTCI.I also hope Dr. Beardsley further develops this product.El Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 20:48:59 -0400 From: nonservia...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] LTCI thank you! Beth, Sharyl, Andy, thank you so much for your concern and help! And Andy, thank you for the link to tcyte.com—I was unaware of that site. Fortunately, I got good news from the staff at the vet today: Felix's doctor was able to order the medicine using one of the numbers I sniffed up from the Internet! I didn't speak to her directly, so I'm not sure which one worked, but it would have been associated with either AgriLabs or its subdivision ProLabs, which I believe bought out Imulan, the company that used to manufacture the medicine. (Of course, now I have no idea how TCyte factors into all this...) If and when my wife or I speak to her directly, I will find out which number worked and share it here. Thanks again, with all my heart! Sean ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice
I agree with Diane, any vet who recommends euthanasia because a cat is FeLV, and for that reason only is not only ignorant but very uneducated in the most recent research out there. A lot of the younger vets tend to be a bit more up to date and more sympathetic to FeLV cats. When we found out that our Maggie was positive (we had her snap tested before we got her but the clinic did a batch test where they took blood from all 4 kittens, mixed it together and then pulled the 3 drops needed from the mixture). I was not aware of this or never would have allowed that to happen. Maggie's FeLV was too diluted to show positive and her 3 siblings were neg. We did not find out she was POS until a few months later when she became symptomatic and we retested again and also did an IFA. We decided to keep her which the vets there were very disapproving of. They believed that all FeLV cats should be destroyed so that we could eradicate the disease. While I agree with eradicating the disease, my little Maggie isn't spreading her disease anywhere as my indoor kitty. Our other kitty is vaccinated against FeLV and we do not keep them separated. We count on the vaccine and the natural immunities cats develop as they age to keep Sasha safe, and so far so good. We made the decision to mix after talking to everyone on here and getting their advice first too. Good luck with what ever you do. Tanya --- On Tue, 3/15/11, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 7:31 PM Wow, Jannes. The vet advocating euthanization is a warning sign not to let him/her treat this particular cat. She is obviously not up to date on the latest research and you need all the knowledge you can get to maintain Amber's good health. You might consider calling around to different vets and see what their feeling is about FeLV care. If you know of some vets who treat shelter cats, they may be a good place to start because they will have encountered it before. Best of luck with Amber. I personally hope you choose to vaccinate the others and let her commingle, but that's me and not you. ;-) Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice I want to thank everyone who responded about my post regarding Amber, my FeLV positive cat. I have been feeling a little guilty about risking the health of my other cats from some chance encounter with Amber. I still plan to be cautious but do feel less stressed about it. I have done a lot of research on the web, but there is nothing like being able to get advice from folks who have experienced this situation. The vet leaned toward euthanization after her after her test came back positive. I just could not euthanize a seemingly otherwise healthy cat. I want to give her a chance! I hope and pray that her next test will come back negative. Whatever happens, I am glad I was there to save her from starving to death. She is getting high quality food now and lots of petting every chance I get! She has improved a lot in the last few weeks. It is sad how she sits at the top of the staircase and can't come upstairs. It is what it is, I guess. At least for now... I would love to hear from more folks regarding this subject. Thanks you all and God Bless!! Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice
Actually it was a young (early twenties) vet who didn't even know what an IFA test was. He had to go read up about FeLV when I was there. He did tell me he was not a cat person. He was the new kid on the block with the four other vets who are in the same office. Unreal!! I took one of my other cats to the clinic last Saturday for her yearly check-up/vaccines and thank God I saw the vet I like and have seen the most of during the last 8 years. He was sympathetic, but he was extremely concered about exposing my other cats. I do think he would put her down if it was up to him. However, he did not come out and actually say that. It was just the impression I got. I do think I will take Amber to see another vet who is recommened to me when I take her back for retesting. He has his own cat just roaming around in his office during the day. I bet he is a cat person! Jannes From: TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 8:24:56 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice I agree with Diane, any vet who recommends euthanasia because a cat is FeLV, and for that reason only is not only ignorant but very uneducated in the most recent research out there. A lot of the younger vets tend to be a bit more up to date and more sympathetic to FeLV cats. When we found out that our Maggie was positive (we had her snap tested before we got her but the clinic did a batch test where they took blood from all 4 kittens, mixed it together and then pulled the 3 drops needed from the mixture). I was not aware of this or never would have allowed that to happen. Maggie's FeLV was too diluted to show positive and her 3 siblings were neg. We did not find out she was POS until a few months later when she became symptomatic and we retested again and also did an IFA. We decided to keep her which the vets there were very disapproving of. They believed that all FeLV cats should be destroyed so that we could eradicate the disease. While I agree with eradicating the disease, my little Maggie isn't spreading her disease anywhere as my indoor kitty. Our other kitty is vaccinated against FeLV and we do not keep them separated. We count on the vaccine and the natural immunities cats develop as they age to keep Sasha safe, and so far so good. We made the decision to mix after talking to everyone on here and getting their advice first too. Good luck with what ever you do. Tanya --- On Tue, 3/15/11, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 7:31 PM Wow, Jannes. The vet advocating euthanization is a warning sign not to let him/her treat this particular cat. She is obviously not up to date on the latest research and you need all the knowledge you can get to maintain Amber's good health. You might consider calling around to different vets and see what their feeling is about FeLV care. If you know of some vets who treat shelter cats, they may be a good place to start because they will have encountered it before. Best of luck with Amber. I personally hope you choose to vaccinate the others and let her commingle, but that's me and not you. ;-) Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice I want to thank everyone who responded about my post regarding Amber, my FeLV positive cat. I have been feeling a little guilty about risking the health of my other cats from some chance encounter with Amber. I still plan to be cautious but do feel less stressed about it. I have done a lot of research on the web, but there is nothing like being able to get advice from folks who have experienced this situation. The vet leaned toward euthanization after her after her test came back positive. I just could not euthanize a seemingly otherwise healthy cat. I want to give her a chance! I hope and pray that her next test will come back negative. Whatever happens, I am glad I was there to save her from starving to death. She is getting high quality food now and lots of petting every chance I get! She has improved a lot in the last few weeks. It is sad how she sits at the top of the staircase and can't come upstairs. It is what it is, I guess. At least for now... I would love to hear from more folks regarding this subject. Thanks you all and God Bless!! Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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That's a good point about vets - some vets are not into cats so don't know much about them aNd dont keep up. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Mar 16, 2011, at 9:05 AM, Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com wrote: Actually it was a young (early twenties) vet who didn't even know what an IFA test was. He had to go read up about FeLV when I was there. He did tell me he was not a cat person. He was the new kid on the block with the four other vets who are in the same office. Unreal!! I took one of my other cats to the clinic last Saturday for her yearly check-up/vaccines and thank God I saw the vet I like and have seen the most of during the last 8 years. He was sympathetic, but he was extremely concered about exposing my other cats. I do think he would put her down if it was up to him. However, he did not come out and actually say that. It was just the impression I got. I do think I will take Amber to see another vet who is recommened to me when I take her back for retesting. He has his own cat just roaming around in his office during the day. I bet he is a cat person! Jannes From: TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 8:24:56 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice I agree with Diane, any vet who recommends euthanasia because a cat is FeLV, and for that reason only is not only ignorant but very uneducated in the most recent research out there. A lot of the younger vets tend to be a bit more up to date and more sympathetic to FeLV cats. When we found out that our Maggie was positive (we had her snap tested before we got her but the clinic did a batch test where they took blood from all 4 kittens, mixed it together and then pulled the 3 drops needed from the mixture). I was not aware of this or never would have allowed that to happen. Maggie's FeLV was too diluted to show positive and her 3 siblings were neg. We did not find out she was POS until a few months later when she became symptomatic and we retested again and also did an IFA. We decided to keep her which the vets there were very disapproving of. They believed that all FeLV cats should be destroyed so that we could eradicate the disease. While I agree with eradicating the disease, my little Maggie isn't spreading her disease anywhere as my indoor kitty. Our other kitty is vaccinated against FeLV and we do not keep them separated. We count on the vaccine and the natural immunities cats develop as they age to keep Sasha safe, and so far so good. We made the decision to mix after talking to everyone on here and getting their advice first too. Good luck with what ever you do. Tanya --- On Tue, 3/15/11, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 7:31 PM Wow, Jannes. The vet advocating euthanization is a warning sign not to let him/her treat this particular cat. She is obviously not up to date on the latest research and you need all the knowledge you can get to maintain Amber's good health. You might consider calling around to different vets and see what their feeling is about FeLV care. If you know of some vets who treat shelter cats, they may be a good place to start because they will have encountered it before. Best of luck with Amber. I personally hope you choose to vaccinate the others and let her commingle, but that's me and not you. ;-) Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice I want to thank everyone who responded about my post regarding Amber, my FeLV positive cat. I have been feeling a little guilty about risking the health of my other cats from some chance encounter with Amber. I still plan to be cautious but do feel less stressed about it. I have done a lot of research on the web, but there is nothing like being able to get advice from folks who have experienced this situation. The vet leaned toward euthanization after her after her test came back positive. I just could not euthanize a seemingly otherwise healthy cat. I want to give her a chance! I hope and pray that her next test will come back negative. Whatever happens, I am glad I was there to save her from starving to death. She is getting high quality food now and lots of petting every chance I get! She has improved a lot in the last few weeks. It is sad how she sits at the top of the staircase and can't come upstairs. It is what it is, I guess. At least for now... I would love to hear from more folks regarding
Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice
Yikes. Perhaps this vet should recuse himself from *treating* cats? A vet is actually supposed to know stuff even though he isn't a _ person. I'm glad you have other choices. When we took our Patches (the reason I am on this list, though he died a few years ago) in for testing (he had just showed up on our doorstep one summer night, demanding our attention, and terribly, terribly matted) our vet told us he was FeLV+, and in the next breath said, These are your options... Euthanasia was one of them, of course, but we were happy that she wasn't pushing it, and the other options included seeing how things went and fairly conservative treatment, and since we love animals but are not made of money, we eagerly did that. Things didn't go well, unfortunately, and he became symptomatic -- lymph nodes swollen, stopped eating -- and we let him go. He was such a sweet guy, it still makes me sad to think we didn't have time to really get to know him, and he never got a chance to leave the room we were caring for him in, which he really wanted to do. But we are happy that he came to us because if he had stayed on the street he would have had a much worse end. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:06 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice Actually it was a young (early twenties) vet who didn't even know what an IFA test was. He had to go read up about FeLV when I was there. He did tell me he was not a cat person. He was the new kid on the block with the four other vets who are in the same office. Unreal!! I took one of my other cats to the clinic last Saturday for her yearly check-up/vaccines and thank God I saw the vet I like and have seen the most of during the last 8 years. He was sympathetic, but he was extremely concered about exposing my other cats. I do think he would put her down if it was up to him. However, he did not come out and actually say that. It was just the impression I got. I do think I will take Amber to see another vet who is recommened to me when I take her back for retesting. He has his own cat just roaming around in his office during the day. I bet he is a cat person! Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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So sorry for the loss of Patches. I have the same thoughts about Amber as far as her dying from starvation. She was truly just a few days away from death I have no doubt. At least she has a chance and won't die out in the woods. Jannes From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 6:34:14 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice Yikes. Perhaps this vet should recuse himself from *treating* cats? A vet is actually supposed to know stuff even though he isn't a _ person. I'm glad you have other choices. When we took our Patches (the reason I am on this list, though he died a few years ago) in for testing (he had just showed up on our doorstep one summer night, demanding our attention, and terribly, terribly matted) our vet told us he was FeLV+, and in the next breath said, These are your options... Euthanasia was one of them, of course, but we were happy that she wasn't pushing it, and the other options included seeing how things went and fairly conservative treatment, and since we love animals but are not made of money, we eagerly did that. Things didn't go well, unfortunately, and he became symptomatic -- lymph nodes swollen, stopped eating -- and we let him go. He was such a sweet guy, it still makes me sad to think we didn't have time to really get to know him, and he never got a chance to leave the room we were caring for him in, which he really wanted to do. But we are happy that he came to us because if he had stayed on the street he would have had a much worse end. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:06 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice Actually it was a young (early twenties) vet who didn't even know what an IFA test was. He had to go read up about FeLV when I was there. He did tell me he was not a cat person. He was the new kid on the block with the four other vets who are in the same office. Unreal!! I took one of my other cats to the clinic last Saturday for her yearly check-up/vaccines and thank God I saw the vet I like and have seen the most of during the last 8 years. He was sympathetic, but he was extremely concered about exposing my other cats. I do think he would put her down if it was up to him. However, he did not come out and actually say that. It was just the impression I got. I do think I will take Amber to see another vet who is recommened to me when I take her back for retesting. He has his own cat just roaming around in his office during the day. I bet he is a cat person! Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice
I want to thank everyone who responded about my post regarding Amber, my FeLV positive cat. I have been feeling a little guilty about risking the health of my other cats from some chance encounter with Amber. I still plan to be cautious but do feel less stressed about it. I have done a lot of research on the web, but there is nothing like being able to get advice from folks who have experienced this situation. The vet leaned toward euthanization after her after her test came back positive. I just could not euthanize a seemingly otherwise healthy cat. I want to give her a chance! I hope and pray that her next test will come back negative. Whatever happens, I am glad I was there to save her from starving to death. She is getting high quality food now and lots of petting every chance I get! She has improved a lot in the last few weeks. It is sad how she sits at the top of the staircase and can't come upstairs. It is what it is, I guess. At least for now... I would love to hear from more folks regarding this subject. Thanks you all and God Bless!! Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Unfortunately, there are many vets with those views, even if the cat is the ONLY cat in a homewhy would anyone kill a perfectly healthy cat that happens to test positive for FeLV or FIV, and in NO way can even contribute to exposing another cat to it I have heard that from people again and again, and sadly, they listen to those vets and continue this myth about having to kill any cat that tests positive! I am so glad that there are people like you who don't believe everything a vet suggests as being gospel truth! This cat may be healthy forever, or it may not. There are no guarantees that our healthy cats will be healthy forever either, are there? Do the best you can under the circumstances! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 10:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice I want to thank everyone who responded about my post regarding Amber, my FeLV positive cat. I have been feeling a little guilty about risking the health of my other cats from some chance encounter with Amber. I still plan to be cautious but do feel less stressed about it. I have done a lot of research on the web, but there is nothing like being able to get advice from folks who have experienced this situation. The vet leaned toward euthanization after her after her test came back positive. I just could not euthanize a seemingly otherwise healthy cat. I want to give her a chance! I hope and pray that her next test will come back negative. Whatever happens, I am glad I was there to save her from starving to death. She is getting high quality food now and lots of petting every chance I get! She has improved a lot in the last few weeks. It is sad how she sits at the top of the staircase and can't come upstairs. It is what it is, I guess. At least for now... I would love to hear from more folks regarding this subject. Thanks you all and God Bless!! Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thank you, Natalie. I am so hoping her next test will be negative, but I will do the best I can regadless. Jannes From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 10:39:41 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice Unfortunately, there are many vets with those views, even if the cat is the ONLY cat in a homewhy would anyone kill a perfectly healthy cat that happens to test positive for FeLV or FIV, and in NO way can even contribute to exposing another cat to it I have heard that from people again and again, and sadly, they listen to those vets and continue this myth about having to kill any cat that tests positive! I am so glad that there are people like you who don't believe everything a vet suggests as being gospel truth! This cat may be healthy forever, or it may not. There are no guarantees that our healthy cats will be healthy forever either, are there? Do the best you can under the circumstances! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 10:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice I want to thank everyone who responded about my post regarding Amber, my FeLV positive cat. I have been feeling a little guilty about risking the health of my other cats from some chance encounter with Amber. I still plan to be cautious but do feel less stressed about it. I have done a lot of research on the web, but there is nothing like being able to get advice from folks who have experienced this situation. The vet leaned toward euthanization after her after her test came back positive. I just could not euthanize a seemingly otherwise healthy cat. I want to give her a chance! I hope and pray that her next test will come back negative. Whatever happens, I am glad I was there to save her from starving to death. She is getting high quality food now and lots of petting every chance I get! She has improved a lot in the last few weeks. It is sad how she sits at the top of the staircase and can't come upstairs. It is what it is, I guess. At least for now... I would love to hear from more folks regarding this subject. Thanks you all and God Bless!! Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Most of you have heard Dixie Louise Doodle Katt, JP's story. She came to me as a feral/throw-away. I liked her and was gong to bring her to the farm. I took her to be spayed and she tested positive. My vets' put all the options on the table and I took death off to the relief of everyone. With their care and the care of a couple of holistic vets in Louisville, she lived a very healthy and happy life for almost 3 years.she had EVERYTHING And gave me everything. On Mar 15, 2011, at 10:39 AM, Natalie wrote: Unfortunately, there are many vets with those views, even if the cat is the ONLY cat in a homewhy would anyone kill a perfectly healthy cat that happens to test positive for FeLV or FIV, and in NO way can even contribute to exposing another cat to it I have heard that from people again and again, and sadly, they listen to those vets and continue this myth about having to kill any cat that tests positive! I am so glad that there are people like you who don't believe everything a vet suggests as being gospel truth! This cat may be healthy forever, or it may not. There are no guarantees that our healthy cats will be healthy forever either, are there? Do the best you can under the circumstances! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 10:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice I want to thank everyone who responded about my post regarding Amber, my FeLV positive cat. I have been feeling a little guilty about risking the health of my other cats from some chance encounter with Amber. I still plan to be cautious but do feel less stressed about it. I have done a lot of research on the web, but there is nothing like being able to get advice from folks who have experienced this situation. The vet leaned toward euthanization after her after her test came back positive. I just could not euthanize a seemingly otherwise healthy cat. I want to give her a chance! I hope and pray that her next test will come back negative. Whatever happens, I am glad I was there to save her from starving to death. She is getting high quality food now and lots of petting every chance I get! She has improved a lot in the last few weeks. It is sad how she sits at the top of the staircase and can't come upstairs. It is what it is, I guess. At least for now... I would love to hear from more folks regarding this subject. Thanks you all and God Bless!! Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Wow, Jannes. The vet advocating euthanization is a warning sign not to let him/her treat this particular cat. She is obviously not up to date on the latest research and you need all the knowledge you can get to maintain Amber's good health. You might consider calling around to different vets and see what their feeling is about FeLV care. If you know of some vets who treat shelter cats, they may be a good place to start because they will have encountered it before. Best of luck with Amber. I personally hope you choose to vaccinate the others and let her commingle, but that's me and not you. ;-) Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice I want to thank everyone who responded about my post regarding Amber, my FeLV positive cat. I have been feeling a little guilty about risking the health of my other cats from some chance encounter with Amber. I still plan to be cautious but do feel less stressed about it. I have done a lot of research on the web, but there is nothing like being able to get advice from folks who have experienced this situation. The vet leaned toward euthanization after her after her test came back positive. I just could not euthanize a seemingly otherwise healthy cat. I want to give her a chance! I hope and pray that her next test will come back negative. Whatever happens, I am glad I was there to save her from starving to death. She is getting high quality food now and lots of petting every chance I get! She has improved a lot in the last few weeks. It is sad how she sits at the top of the staircase and can't come upstairs. It is what it is, I guess. At least for now... I would love to hear from more folks regarding this subject. Thanks you all and God Bless!! Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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To Jenine for adopting the 3 FELV+ kittens in Austin, Texas. It took a bit of fancy footwork as we only had a few hours, but they are SAFE! Yay! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] A BIG THANK YOU
They are beautiful, what wonderful news! On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: To Jenine for adopting the 3 FELV+ kittens in Austin, Texas. It took a bit of fancy footwork as we only had a few hours, but they are SAFE! Yay! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] A BIG THANK YOU
Wonderful news!!! --- On Fri, 2/18/11, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: From: Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] A BIG THANK YOU To: felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, February 18, 2011, 5:53 PM To Jenine for adopting the 3 FELV+ kittens in Austin, Texas. It took a bit of fancy footwork as we only had a few hours, but they are SAFE! Yay! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] A BIG THANK YOU
Great news! There beautiful faces have been on my heart since I read about them. Bless you, Jenine! On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 6:10 PM, TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com wrote: Wonderful news!!! --- On Fri, 2/18/11, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: From: Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] A BIG THANK YOU To: felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, February 18, 2011, 5:53 PM To Jenine for adopting the 3 FELV+ kittens in Austin, Texas. It took a bit of fancy footwork as we only had a few hours, but they are SAFE! Yay! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Thank you for sharing Murphy's journey-we learned so much from all of you here!
Alice, I too live in Sacramento you and I lots in common. Gray Cat goes to Akaal Pet Hospital in Carmichael. We have been fighting this for 2+ years. I call Gray my $30,000.00 cat, but I wouldn't trade one penny for the joy he his two brothers have brought into our lives! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 26, 2010, at 7:14 PM, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: This has been a long journey and we have so much to thank all of you for. First of all, most of the people in our day to day lives haven't got a clue what we are going through. We had Rosie to the vet today for her check up-she's been sneezing a bit the last few days. She got her CBC drawn (results tomorrow) and she checked out perfect, but a little PennG and cypro to see if we can nip the sneezing-so far tonight she has not sneezed. I'll add the Lysine for good measure. Murphy did sneeze right in her face a few times recently. She will barely touch wet food the last week since Murphy hasn't been eating along side of her. Last night about 1 am she was wailing-carrying her toy around the house. Glenn got up and spent some time with her in the living room so I could get to sleep, I had to work today. Our vet was so kind-Dr Krysta at the Sacramento Cat Hospital and she said they have learned so much with Murphy and treating FeLV with open eyes and minds. Thanks to this board, we discovered the Imulan LTCI-they ordered it for us over a year ago. I believe it did give us more time with Murphy. Thanks to Dawn and the suggestion to try Rutin for the fluid in his lungs-the vet was amazed at how great his lungs sounded after a short time with the Rutin-she said they used it for another condition but had never considered using it for FeLV cats and the fluid in their chests with the Lymphoma. When Rosie came home from the vet today, she searched the entire house for Murphy-for the first time in her life, she is solo. I'm not sure what to do, but time will help. I am so grateful for all of your support the last year or so. Our lives are much enriched with learning how precious every day is. Gratefully, Alice, Glenn and Rosie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Thank you for sharing Murphy's journey-we learned somuch from all of you here!
Our lives are much enriched with learning how precious every day is. Alice, you and Glenn are special and wonderful people! Wish there were more like you in the world. Wishing you every joy, peace and happiness... ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 7:14 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank you for sharing Murphy's journey-we learned somuch from all of you here! This has been a long journey and we have so much to thank all of you for. First of all, most of the people in our day to day lives haven't got a clue what we are going through. We had Rosie to the vet today for her check up-she's been sneezing a bit the last few days. She got her CBC drawn (results tomorrow) and she checked out perfect, but a little PennG and cypro to see if we can nip the sneezing-so far tonight she has not sneezed. I'll add the Lysine for good measure. Murphy did sneeze right in her face a few times recently. She will barely touch wet food the last week since Murphy hasn't been eating along side of her. Last night about 1 am she was wailing-carrying her toy around the house. Glenn got up and spent some time with her in the living room so I could get to sleep, I had to work today. Our vet was so kind-Dr Krysta at the Sacramento Cat Hospital and she said they have learned so much with Murphy and treating FeLV with open eyes and minds. Thanks to this board, we discovered the Imulan LTCI-they ordered it for us over a year ago. I believe it did give us more time with Murphy. Thanks to Dawn and the suggestion to try Rutin for the fluid in his lungs-the vet was amazed at how great his lungs sounded after a short time with the Rutin-she said they used it for another condition but had never considered using it for FeLV cats and the fluid in their chests with the Lymphoma. When Rosie came home from the vet today, she searched the entire house for Murphy-for the first time in her life, she is solo. I'm not sure what to do, but time will help. I am so grateful for all of your support the last year or so. Our lives are much enriched with learning how precious every day is. Gratefully, Alice, Glenn and Rosie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Thank you for sharing Murphy's journey-we learned so much from all of you here!
This has been a long journey and we have so much to thank all of you for. First of all, most of the people in our day to day lives haven't got a clue what we are going through. We had Rosie to the vet today for her check up-she's been sneezing a bit the last few days. She got her CBC drawn (results tomorrow) and she checked out perfect, but a little PennG and cypro to see if we can nip the sneezing-so far tonight she has not sneezed. I'll add the Lysine for good measure. Murphy did sneeze right in her face a few times recently. She will barely touch wet food the last week since Murphy hasn't been eating along side of her. Last night about 1 am she was wailing-carrying her toy around the house. Glenn got up and spent some time with her in the living room so I could get to sleep, I had to work today. Our vet was so kind-Dr Krysta at the Sacramento Cat Hospital and she said they have learned so much with Murphy and treating FeLV with open eyes and minds. Thanks to this board, we discovered the Imulan LTCI-they ordered it for us over a year ago. I believe it did give us more time with Murphy. Thanks to Dawn and the suggestion to try Rutin for the fluid in his lungs-the vet was amazed at how great his lungs sounded after a short time with the Rutin-she said they used it for another condition but had never considered using it for FeLV cats and the fluid in their chests with the Lymphoma. When Rosie came home from the vet today, she searched the entire house for Murphy-for the first time in her life, she is solo. I'm not sure what to do, but time will help. I am so grateful for all of your support the last year or so. Our lives are much enriched with learning how precious every day is. Gratefully, Alice, Glenn and Rosie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Second Chance Meows Sanctuary - THANK YOU!
Hi list, I just saw a post on the FeLV group list where someone was saying how depressing the posts on the FeLV list could be... I know much of the news seems to be sad, especially when cats pass on, but I wanted to post my heartfelt thanks to Michael and his family at Second Chance Meows for finding a spot in their home for my FeLV+ kitten Wisp. He responded to my posted plea a few weeks ago about finding a placement for my little 6 month old foster tabby girl who had just gotten her FeLV confirmation - second test. I was being pressured by other fostering friends to euthanize her and was resisting since she was currently so healthy, loving, and playful, except for a tendency toward constipation. I foster many many neonatal kittens each year for a So. Cal. rescue group, so it was imperative for the potential wellbeing and lives of so many other incoming kittens that I find a safe place for Wisp to live so as not unwittingly endanger my other fosters. I had her in the best quarantine I could manage, but everyone knows that kittens are both inquisitive and ingenious... so I knew it could be a big problem when they got to the climbing age. I had contacted a couple of other shelters, but they were just not a good fit for her for various reasons. I had just taken in 5 newborn kittens and was getting pretty desperate when I joined this group and googled for information and discovered Snowball's story. Well, to make a long story short, Michael agreed to take Wisp, and my husband and I, with Wisp in a large wire crate in the back seat, made the long trek from Ventura to Reno, via I-5 - about 9 or 10 hours of driving... some of it behind a snowplow and praying all the time that we could make it through in our old Subaru... without any snowchains onboard...we eventually arrived and Wisp received a warm welcome from Michael and his wife and one of their other FeLV+ cats. We stayed for over an hour and got to meet almost all the other kitties (one was a bit shy and out of sight) and see where Wisp would be living whatever days, months, or years that she will be allowed by her Creator and of course to talk to Michael and his family and watch him expertly assess our kitten. I just had a call from Michael and Wisp is having the time of her life. She doesn't have the run of the whole home yet, but what she does have even right now is one heck of a lot better than a 7 by 3 by 2 foot cage on sawhorses in my livingroom! Michael told us that the bowel issues are resolving and she is looking great and acting very happy. I miss her, but I KNOW this is the most perfect placement I could have found for her... a loving home with other FeLV+ cats she can socialize with and someone who is knowledgeable about FeLV+ and a family that will take care of her for as long as she lives. Thank you from the bottom of my heart - Michael, Char, and family! Sincerely, Georgetta (with 11 neonatal fosters - gotta go feed!) bye for now! _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendarocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Second Chance Meows Sanctuary - THANK YOU!
Thank-you, Georgetta, for sharing this story, for going to the ends of the earth to help Wisp and Michael for giving Wisp a forever home! Happy! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of G Brickey Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 5:50 PM To: FeLV List Cc: orphankitt...@yahoogroups.com; feral cats list Subject: [Felvtalk] Second Chance Meows Sanctuary - THANK YOU! Hi list, I just saw a post on the FeLV group list where someone was saying how depressing the posts on the FeLV list could be... I know much of the news seems to be sad, especially when cats pass on, but I wanted to post my heartfelt thanks to Michael and his family at Second Chance Meows for finding a spot in their home for my FeLV+ kitten Wisp. He responded to my posted plea a few weeks ago about finding a placement for my little 6 month old foster tabby girl who had just gotten her FeLV confirmation - second test. I was being pressured by other fostering friends to euthanize her and was resisting since she was currently so healthy, loving, and playful, except for a tendency toward constipation. I foster many many neonatal kittens each year for a So. Cal. rescue group, so it was imperative for the potential wellbeing and lives of so many other incoming kittens that I find a safe place for Wisp to live so as not unwittingly endanger my other fosters. I had her in the best quarantine I could manage, but everyone knows that kittens are both inquisitive and ingenious... so I knew it could be a big problem when they got to the climbing age. I had contacted a couple of other shelters, but they were just not a good fit for her for various reasons. I had just taken in 5 newborn kittens and was getting pretty desperate when I joined this group and googled for information and discovered Snowball's story. Well, to make a long story short, Michael agreed to take Wisp, and my husband and I, with Wisp in a large wire crate in the back seat, made the long trek from Ventura to Reno, via I-5 - about 9 or 10 hours of driving... some of it behind a snowplow and praying all the time that we could make it through in our old Subaru... without any snowchains onboard...we eventually arrived and Wisp received a warm welcome from Michael and his wife and one of their other FeLV+ cats. We stayed for over an hour and got to meet almost all the other kitties (one was a bit shy and out of sight) and see where Wisp would be living whatever days, months, or years that she will be allowed by her Creator and of course to talk to Michael and his family and watch him expertly assess our kitten. I just had a call from Michael and Wisp is having the time of her life. She doesn't have the run of the whole home yet, but what she does have even right now is one heck of a lot better than a 7 by 3 by 2 foot cage on sawhorses in my livingroom! Michael told us that the bowel issues are resolving and she is looking great and acting very happy. I miss her, but I KNOW this is the most perfect placement I could have found for her... a loving home with other FeLV+ cats she can socialize with and someone who is knowledgeable about FeLV+ and a family that will take care of her for as long as she lives. Thank you from the bottom of my heart - Michael, Char, and family! Sincerely, Georgetta (with 11 neonatal fosters - gotta go feed!) bye for now! _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendarocid=PID28 326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Advice on annual re-testing and vaccinating - THANK YOU!!
I just wanted to say thanks for all of the advice. Horus and Blackie had their check-ups yesterday, and I am very happy to let you know that they are still FeLV negative. They got their FeLV boosters, and I feel so relieved to know that they are both still virus free. I didn't realize how worried I was until I got the test results! Thank you! Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Advice on annual re-testing and vaccinating - THANK YOU!!
Oh thank goodness. I am very happy for you. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Tue, 3/2/10, Avia Rauscher a...@rauscher.com wrote: From: Avia Rauscher a...@rauscher.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice on annual re-testing and vaccinating - THANK YOU!! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 3:21 PM I just wanted to say thanks for all of the advice. Horus and Blackie had their check-ups yesterday, and I am very happy to let you know that they are still FeLV negative. They got their FeLV boosters, and I feel so relieved to know that they are both still virus free. I didn't realize how worried I was until I got the test results! Thank you! Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Will Feral, thank you Diane
Thank you Diane. He had a nice last day, ate a little, begged for a piece of bread crust from my sandwich, batted it around a couple of times and then fetched it and dropped it at my feet so I would throw it. Sat with his brothers and sisters while they played with a string my mom dangled at them. He was so good I started panicking that it wasn't time, but once his little bit of energy was used up he lay back down on the steps and was breathing heavy, lots of side movement and seemed uncomfortable. I decided to keep our afternoon appointment. They left us alone for a few minutes in the exam room, I had his favorite nursing blanket on my lap, but he was nervous and wanted to jump down. I put my arm under the blanket and bunched it up into a little mound under his front paws, he lay right down, stretched his arms right out with all his toes extended and kneading away, and stated suckling face down in the material. It was like he was doing all his favorite things one last time to please me...When he was done the vet came in, we layed his blanket on the table, it was a very peaceful passing. His stuck his little tongue out at us as he passed, which seemed kind of appropriate. I am so grateful for all the kind people on this list who gave me such good advice when he was a kitten, I am going to stay a member. Thank you to everyone for your help and support over the past few years, and hugs to your furbabies, Beth, Blue, Moxie, Dash, Scooter, and Angel Will Feral On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.comwrote: Beth, I remember Will, and I'm so sorry he had to go to the Bridge. Hugs to you. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Noren Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 7:09 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Multi Cat House Protocol Hi, I'm not sure if you got a reply as my computer has been down for quite some time. I tested everyone Elisa and IFA initially, did a follow-up IFA several months later, and vaccinated the negatives. My plan was only to retest if a negative became sick, and this was supported by my vet. The chance that a healthy, adult, vaccinated negative will pick up the disease is small, so I felt the funds were better spent on other problems (2 of my negs have severe allergies). I haven't told the list yet, as I just got functioning Internet service again today , but I had to help my sweet positive boy leave this world on November 13th. I haven't been active on the list for some time now, but some folks here may remember Will Feral. Lymphoma finally got him, after 3.5 active, happy years. He is so terribly missed. I plan to test my 4 negatives as soon as finances permit, so that I can comfortably discontinue vaccinating them for FeLV. Best wishes, Beth On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Maria Ianiro mian...@gmail.com wrote: Hello - For those of you with multi-cat households, I was wondering what your vet has recommended in terms of re-testing for FELV in the negative cat. I have 1 positive and 1 negative that have been living together for over a year now. I have been advised to re-test the negative cat once a year for FELV and give the negative cat the FELV combo shot once a year. Thank you ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Will Feral, thank you Diane
Beth, thank you for sharing Will's last day with usas we share the pain of loss with you. Debbie (COL) Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle Philo _ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_1:092010 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Will Feral, thank you Diane
i wasn't on the list in Will's time, but he sounds like a sweet boy. but hten, they are all sweet and we quickly learn to love them and it hurts to let them go. our only consolation is to know we gave them love and a good home while they were with us. prayers for you. dorlis Beth Noren maxgoodb...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Diane. He had a nice last day, ate a little, begged for a piece of bread crust from my sandwich, batted it around a couple of times and then fetched it and dropped it at my feet so I would throw it. Sat with his brothers and sisters while they played with a string my mom dangled at them. He was so good I started panicking that it wasn't time, but once his little bit of energy was used up he lay back down on the steps and was breathing heavy, lots of side movement and seemed uncomfortable. I decided to keep our afternoon appointment. They left us alone for a few minutes in the exam room, I had his favorite nursing blanket on my lap, but he was nervous and wanted to jump down. I put my arm under the blanket and bunched it up into a little mound under his front paws, he lay right down, stretched his arms right out with all his toes extended and kneading away, and stated suckling face down in the material. It was like he was doing all his favorite things one last time to please me...When he was done the vet came in, we layed his blanket on the table, it was a very peaceful passing. His stuck his little tongue out at us as he passed, which seemed kind of appropriate. I am so grateful for all the kind people on this list who gave me such good advice when he was a kitten, I am going to stay a member. Thank you to everyone for your help and support over the past few years, and hugs to your furbabies, Beth, Blue, Moxie, Dash, Scooter, and Angel Will Feral On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.comwrote: Beth, I remember Will, and I'm so sorry he had to go to the Bridge. Hugs to you. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Noren Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 7:09 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Multi Cat House Protocol Hi, I'm not sure if you got a reply as my computer has been down for quite some time. I tested everyone Elisa and IFA initially, did a follow-up IFA several months later, and vaccinated the negatives. My plan was only to retest if a negative became sick, and this was supported by my vet. The chance that a healthy, adult, vaccinated negative will pick up the disease is small, so I felt the funds were better spent on other problems (2 of my negs have severe allergies). I haven't told the list yet, as I just got functioning Internet service again today , but I had to help my sweet positive boy leave this world on November 13th. I haven't been active on the list for some time now, but some folks here may remember Will Feral. Lymphoma finally got him, after 3.5 active, happy years. He is so terribly missed. I plan to test my 4 negatives as soon as finances permit, so that I can comfortably discontinue vaccinating them for FeLV. Best wishes, Beth On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Maria Ianiro mian...@gmail.com wrote: Hello - For those of you with multi-cat households, I was wondering what your vet has recommended in terms of re-testing for FELV in the negative cat. I have 1 positive and 1 negative that have been living together for over a year now. I have been advised to re-test the negative cat once a year for FELV and give the negative cat the FELV combo shot once a year. Thank you ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Will Feral, thank you Diane
It sounds like he had a great last day, and a good passing. Gentlest of Bridge vibes to Will. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Noren Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Will Feral, thank you Diane Thank you Diane. He had a nice last day, ate a little, begged for a piece of bread crust from my sandwich, batted it around a couple of times and then fetched it and dropped it at my feet so I would throw it. Sat with his brothers and sisters while they played with a string my mom dangled at them. He was so good I started panicking that it wasn't time, but once his little bit of energy was used up he lay back down on the steps and was breathing heavy, lots of side movement and seemed uncomfortable. I decided to keep our afternoon appointment. They left us alone for a few minutes in the exam room, I had his favorite nursing blanket on my lap, but he was nervous and wanted to jump down. I put my arm under the blanket and bunched it up into a little mound under his front paws, he lay right down, stretched his arms right out with all his toes extended and kneading away, and stated suckling face down in the material. It was like he was doing all his favorite things one last time to please me...When he was done the vet came in, we layed his blanket on the table, it was a very peaceful passing. His stuck his little tongue out at us as he passed, which seemed kind of appropriate. I am so grateful for all the kind people on this list who gave me such good advice when he was a kitten, I am going to stay a member. Thank you to everyone for your help and support over the past few years, and hugs to your furbabies, Beth, Blue, Moxie, Dash, Scooter, and Angel Will Feral On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.comwrote: Beth, I remember Will, and I'm so sorry he had to go to the Bridge. Hugs to you. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Noren Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 7:09 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Multi Cat House Protocol Hi, I'm not sure if you got a reply as my computer has been down for quite some time. I tested everyone Elisa and IFA initially, did a follow-up IFA several months later, and vaccinated the negatives. My plan was only to retest if a negative became sick, and this was supported by my vet. The chance that a healthy, adult, vaccinated negative will pick up the disease is small, so I felt the funds were better spent on other problems (2 of my negs have severe allergies). I haven't told the list yet, as I just got functioning Internet service again today , but I had to help my sweet positive boy leave this world on November 13th. I haven't been active on the list for some time now, but some folks here may remember Will Feral. Lymphoma finally got him, after 3.5 active, happy years. He is so terribly missed. I plan to test my 4 negatives as soon as finances permit, so that I can comfortably discontinue vaccinating them for FeLV. Best wishes, Beth On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Maria Ianiro mian...@gmail.com wrote: Hello - For those of you with multi-cat households, I was wondering what your vet has recommended in terms of re-testing for FELV in the negative cat. I have 1 positive and 1 negative that have been living together for over a year now. I have been advised to re-test the negative cat once a year for FELV and give the negative cat the FELV combo shot once a year. Thank you ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Just wondering-thank you Sharyl
i have been on this site for at least 1 year, and think our people are willing to do what is necessary , but sometimes available funds are not there for the needed treatment and we have to make that hard decision. also, sometimes we have to stop and think about what is best for them. when my holding on to them and putting them thru painful treatments hurts them more than helps, it is time to stop. i had to make a decision for Shorty when he was having series strokes. he was 18 and the possibility of helping him was not there. he was screaming in pain and the kindest thing i could do for him was end his life. if you have never driven 60 miles at 90 miles a hour, lights flashing, trying to get to the vet er with him screaming all the way, it is may be hard to understand why i pts my precious boy. i did not get a ticket because i called 911 when i started out and told them the situation and they advised all law enforcement on my route. several highway patrol cars flashed their lights at me and the last one escorted me to the vet because i was now in a city. same situation with Shadow. he had a clot on his spine and screamed all the way to Columbia (about 200 miles ). he was also 18 and trying to do surgery at that age would have been more than he could take, plus it had been too long for him to regain use of his legs and bladder. i could not see making him continue that way. dorlis Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Finally a voice of reason and kindness...Can I afford to treat this way? No-I could have paid my 5 yr old car off in the last year's vet bills and I wouldn't be behind in my mortgage. Maybe it's menopause or empty nest syndrome...But I had a few yard sales, bought enough hay for my old horses for the winter. I still need to get some more Rimadyl for my arthritic dogs. I am still selling off stuff I don't need. I live at Walmart, BigLots and the dollar store, but I get top stuff for the cats and dogs to eat.I take peanut butter and jelly every day for lunch. I just so desperately want the last 2 to live...but if they were getting sick from the Interferon, I'd stop in a heartbeat-they come over and wait to take it. Giving antibiotics was a bigger hassle when they had URIs and Bartonella...Treating for ear mites was a pain too, but I did it-I guess I shouldn't have? If the Imulan proves to be a good treatment and enough vets use it-the price will eventually go down. I save money by doing the injections at home. I work full time, but I may have to go back to sewing in my spare time. I try and help with TNRing the ferals with a local group, network and donate food and litter to individual rescuers. Seems like the people willing to do the most-have the least. I just don't understand why people who are so adamantly against all the things this site promotes seem to ger off on bashing the people who are getting information from this site on treating their sick pets. Perhaps they can get the owners of this site to change their Mission Statement. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Just wondering-thank you Sharyl
Finally a voice of reason and kindness...Can I afford to treat this way? No-I could have paid my 5 yr old car off in the last year's vet bills and I wouldn't be behind in my mortgage. Maybe it's menopause or empty nest syndrome...But I had a few yard sales, bought enough hay for my old horses for the winter. I still need to get some more Rimadyl for my arthritic dogs. I am still selling off stuff I don't need. I live at Walmart, BigLots and the dollar store, but I get top stuff for the cats and dogs to eat.I take peanut butter and jelly every day for lunch. I just so desperately want the last 2 to live...but if they were getting sick from the Interferon, I'd stop in a heartbeat-they come over and wait to take it. Giving antibiotics was a bigger hassle when they had URIs and Bartonella...Treating for ear mites was a pain too, but I did it-I guess I shouldn't have? If the Imulan proves to be a good treatment and enough vets use it-the price will eventually go down. I save money by doing the injections at home. I work full time, but I may have to go back to sewing in my spare time. I try and help with TNRing the ferals with a local group, network and donate food and litter to individual rescuers. Seems like the people willing to do the most-have the least. I just don't understand why people who are so adamantly against all the things this site promotes seem to ger off on bashing the people who are getting information from this site on treating their sick pets. Perhaps they can get the owners of this site to change their Mission Statement. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Thank you for your help
Hi Gloria, It is suppose to have a kind of hypnotic effect on them to keep them clam, I think it simulates the way a mom kitty holds her kitten, can't say I noticed that with Fred but he figured since he couldn't reach me to bite me anymore it wasn't worth it to try so he stopped after a week, maybe not even that long and he is very mellow ever since getting his fluids. I know he feels better and I think he had figured that out too. Here is the story on it: http://www.felinecrf.org/giving_sub-qs_syringe.htm#clothes_peg_trick PS. the first picture is the kitty without the clothes pins. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Thank you for your help
Dear Friends, I want to thank all of you for your help and advice about the FelV cat in my cageless FelV shelter who is slowly wasting away. I really appreciate your caring responses. I did not want to take Mimi to the vet to be PTS, as it is so stressful for her, and you helped me make my decision to just love and comfort her where she is now, in her favorite sleeping place. Frank, I too am haunted by the memory of taking a dying cat to the vet and watching him use what little strength he had left to fight going there. It was awful, and unless a cat is in extreme pain I will never do this again. Maybe I shouldn't comment on this here, but I also have a cat who is 16 years old and has the beginnings of CRF, so I joined the CRF group, but I only stayed there about a week. It tore my guts out to read about the horrendous things so many of the members were putting their very old, (16 to 19 years old) termininally ill cats through They described how the cats no longer came to them for love, as they knew they'd be poked and prodded! It seemed everyone in the group was determined to keep their cats alive no matter what they put them through. I couldn't stand reading about it, so I dropped out. The members of this FelV group seem to have a more realistic attitude. We will all die someday, and keeping people or animals alive on tubes and needles is not the way I want to leave this earth! Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Thank you for your help
Lorrie, Just a comment about CRF kitties. My Pequita was dx with CRF over 3 yrs ago. She'll be 17 this Oct. She has been on meds and daily sub q fluids for most of those 3 yrs. I assist feed her several times per day. She will only eat from a baby spoon. I do the meds, feedings and fluids on her terms and she is doing fine. Often when a kitty crashed they are are very resistant to treatment. It is all new and strange for them. Once the person develops a treatment schedule things usually go a lot better. Like people, cats like to know what is going to happen and when it is going to happen. I just don't want people here to think that treating CRF or any chronic disease should not be attempted. Each kitty is unique and will respond to treatment plans differently. Often members of the CRF group are in a panic mode and are still dealing with a kitty in crisis. You don't know how yours will respond until you try. Whatever problem our beloved companions have we need to remember to love them and treasure each day we have together. Sharyl --- On Wed, 8/12/09, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank you for your help To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 7:46 AM Dear Friends, I want to thank all of you for your help and advice about the FelV cat in my cageless FelV shelter who is slowly wasting away. I really appreciate your caring responses. I did not want to take Mimi to the vet to be PTS, as it is so stressful for her, and you helped me make my decision to just love and comfort her where she is now, in her favorite sleeping place. Frank, I too am haunted by the memory of taking a dying cat to the vet and watching him use what little strength he had left to fight going there. It was awful, and unless a cat is in extreme pain I will never do this again. Maybe I shouldn't comment on this here, but I also have a cat who is 16 years old and has the beginnings of CRF, so I joined the CRF group, but I only stayed there about a week. It tore my guts out to read about the horrendous things so many of the members were putting their very old, (16 to 19 years old) termininally ill cats through They described how the cats no longer came to them for love, as they knew they'd be poked and prodded! It seemed everyone in the group was determined to keep their cats alive no matter what they put them through. I couldn't stand reading about it, so I dropped out. The members of this FelV group seem to have a more realistic attitude. We will all die someday, and keeping people or animals alive on tubes and needles is not the way I want to leave this earth! Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Thank you for your help
i think it's really natural for us to want to try EVERYTHING to help our beloved ones, even when, sometimes, it's in our best interests and not really theirs. that's what i believe that i have learned from my cats in their final days. i know that, early on, i kept some of mine around longer than i would do now, but not from meanness, rather from lack of awareness. i had to learn... to separate out their needs from mine, to ask them what they needed, to truly listen to what they were telling me. people learn at different rates; i try very hard (not always successfully, as those reading another FeLV list can attest) not to judge others' progress. i actually have a kitty in terminal crf right now; she bit the hell out of me the last two times i tried to hydrate her. she's my remaining heartcat, and her refusing treatment is killing me--but how can i not honor her choices, after all she's given me through the years? she's the official international spokescat for the Calico Liberation Coalition, CaLiCo, a 4-paw-declawed, harlequin girl that refuses to purr tho will, very occasionally, practice Rhythmic Growling--to force her to do anything would be an assault on her very cathood. she's someplace close to 16 years old, and has blessed my life with bite wounds and attiTUDE for over ten years now--i adore her, and know completely that in her furry little multicolored heart, she feels the same way toward me. i will do what is best for her when her job on this earth is complete; no matter how much it pains me--i know that she will tell me if she needs help, tho actually i'm just hoping she'll allow me to be with her when the time comes, and not just leave me an email. the wisest advice i've ever gotten, though, is that it's best to send them across the bridge one day too soon, than five minutes too late. feeling guilty about their, not being ready, when they weren't yet suffering, is pointless, but nothing compared to the knowledge that one has waited too long. sometimes, tho, we need to go through the latter to understand. we need to be gentle with one another as we learn these horrible lessons. and hope that what we learn so painfully can help someone else learn them with less difficulty. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Thank you for your help
MaryChristine, What is it about those sassy, fiesty, independant calico girls that makes us love them so? We must be suckers for punishment, cause they sure do love to dole it out. One of mine is ancient, weighs less than 6 lbs, toothless and I still can't pill her. She's the smallest cat of the bunch, but she can move a 15 lb male from his bowl of canned food just by staring at him. I'm crazy about her and I celebrate her attitude. --- On Wed, 8/12/09, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank you for your help To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 11:12 AM i think it's really natural for us to want to try EVERYTHING to help our beloved ones, even when, sometimes, it's in our best interests and not really theirs. that's what i believe that i have learned from my cats in their final days. i know that, early on, i kept some of mine around longer than i would do now, but not from meanness, rather from lack of awareness. i had to learn... to separate out their needs from mine, to ask them what they needed, to truly listen to what they were telling me. people learn at different rates; i try very hard (not always successfully, as those reading another FeLV list can attest) not to judge others' progress. i actually have a kitty in terminal crf right now; she bit the hell out of me the last two times i tried to hydrate her. she's my remaining heartcat, and her refusing treatment is killing me--but how can i not honor her choices, after all she's given me through the years? she's the official international spokescat for the Calico Liberation Coalition, CaLiCo, a 4-paw-declawed, harlequin girl that refuses to purr tho will, very occasionally, practice Rhythmic Growling--to force her to do anything would be an assault on her very cathood. she's someplace close to 16 years old, and has blessed my life with bite wounds and attiTUDE for over ten years now--i adore her, and know completely that in her furry little multicolored heart, she feels the same way toward me. i will do what is best for her when her job on this earth is complete; no matter how much it pains me--i know that she will tell me if she needs help, tho actually i'm just hoping she'll allow me to be with her when the time comes, and not just leave me an email. the wisest advice i've ever gotten, though, is that it's best to send them across the bridge one day too soon, than five minutes too late. feeling guilty about their, not being ready, when they weren't yet suffering, is pointless, but nothing compared to the knowledge that one has waited too long. sometimes, tho, we need to go through the latter to understand. we need to be gentle with one another as we learn these horrible lessons. and hope that what we learn so painfully can help someone else learn them with less difficulty. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Thank you for your help
it's the red gene, i'm told On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Amy Dalgliesh ajdalgli...@yahoo.comwrote: MaryChristine, What is it about those sassy, fiesty, independant calico girls that makes us love them so? We must be suckers for punishment, cause they sure do love to dole it out. One of mine is ancient, weighs less than 6 lbs, toothless and I still can't pill her. She's the smallest cat of the bunch, but she can move a 15 lb male from his bowl of canned food just by staring at him. I'm crazy about her and I celebrate her attitude. --- On Wed, 8/12/09, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank you for your help To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 11:12 AM i think it's really natural for us to want to try EVERYTHING to help our beloved ones, even when, sometimes, it's in our best interests and not really theirs. that's what i believe that i have learned from my cats in their final days. i know that, early on, i kept some of mine around longer than i would do now, but not from meanness, rather from lack of awareness. i had to learn... to separate out their needs from mine, to ask them what they needed, to truly listen to what they were telling me. people learn at different rates; i try very hard (not always successfully, as those reading another FeLV list can attest) not to judge others' progress. i actually have a kitty in terminal crf right now; she bit the hell out of me the last two times i tried to hydrate her. she's my remaining heartcat, and her refusing treatment is killing me--but how can i not honor her choices, after all she's given me through the years? she's the official international spokescat for the Calico Liberation Coalition, CaLiCo, a 4-paw-declawed, harlequin girl that refuses to purr tho will, very occasionally, practice Rhythmic Growling--to force her to do anything would be an assault on her very cathood. she's someplace close to 16 years old, and has blessed my life with bite wounds and attiTUDE for over ten years now--i adore her, and know completely that in her furry little multicolored heart, she feels the same way toward me. i will do what is best for her when her job on this earth is complete; no matter how much it pains me--i know that she will tell me if she needs help, tho actually i'm just hoping she'll allow me to be with her when the time comes, and not just leave me an email. the wisest advice i've ever gotten, though, is that it's best to send them across the bridge one day too soon, than five minutes too late. feeling guilty about their, not being ready, when they weren't yet suffering, is pointless, but nothing compared to the knowledge that one has waited too long. sometimes, tho, we need to go through the latter to understand. we need to be gentle with one another as we learn these horrible lessons. and hope that what we learn so painfully can help someone else learn them with less difficulty. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Thank you for your help
My thoughts on this: It tore my guts out to read about the horrendous things so many of the members were putting their very old, (16 to 19 years old) termininally ill cats through I just want to give another perspective, Fred is 18 or so now, he was 15 when he was diagnosed very early CRF and hyper thyroid, I'm on the CRF list you spoke of and I can't thank all of them for all the support I have gotten to keep Fred going. When I first started doing the fluids he needs daily he would bite me, he didn't like it, but after a week of using clothes pins on him he accepted it and has been getting them for over 2 years with no problems. Did it hurt him to put clothes pins down his neck for a week, no, I tried it on myself first, it felt like pressure but there was no pain, and he still tried to bite me but realised he couldn't reach me anymore and gave up. He also gets pills 4 or 5 times a day and of course he doesn't love it but my way of thinking is if you add it all up for the 30 minutes or so a day that it totals for the time I have to give him pills and fluids, he has lived a good quality of life for 3 more years ... I guarantee you he would have died years ago without my intervention. When anyone animal, person doesn't feel good they don't want to be messed with, I know that from my own experience, when I am sick, I don't want to eat or drink or want anyone to bother me. That doesn't mean I want to die. Once you get over the hump with help from your family and meds and feel better things get back to somewhat normal, as normal as they can be when you have a terminal condition. Yes I know at some point Fred will eventually not do as well and no matter what I do will keep getting worse because I do know CRF doesn't get cured BUT I will do everything I can to keep Fred here with me feeling as well as can be expected with his age and condition. Am I selfish, perhaps, but as you said, this is what I would want for myself, I am not leaving easily when it is my time and everyone that knows me knows that. Fred used to sleep on my pillow every night but I have his bed set up with everything but the litter box right there for him, so he prefers to stay there, he still comes in on occasion and stays a while, then goes back to his room. Do I think he doesn't like me anymore, no, he comes to me many times throughout the day and sits on my chest a few minutes so I can love him but he doesn't like me to give him his pills and if he weren't so lazy and a little weak he probably would run and hide, but it takes all of 10 seconds and it is over. It took a good 8 months or so to get him stable when we first found out he was CRF, he stopped eating and got a feeding tube. He gained back all the weight he lost and and pulled the tube out himself. Up until recently was keeping his weight pretty stable. He is losing weight now, he has virtually no muscle in either back leg and I can see he is getting to the point where things are going to start deteriorating as they do with this condition. I don't know how much longer we have but as long as he enjoys going out to lay in the sun, enjoys spending time with me I will do everything in my power to keep him going. Do I think anything I have done to keep Fred with me is horrendous, no, some people may, but I don't. I have gotten 3 more years of some very good memories with my Fred and I think for the most part Fred has enjoyed being here those 3 extra years. Everyone has their own ideas about quality of life, I personally think some people give up too early because of my beliefs and sometimes it is very hard for me to not say something but then I remember it is their pet and as long as whatever they are doing is out of love for that pet then I really can't say anything. What one person thinks is horrendous is loving and compassionate care to another. We can only do what we think is best for those in our care according to what our beliefs are ... When it is obvious to me that nothing I do will make any difference anymore then I will let Fred go. At some point the body, animal or human just can't go on anymore and when that is evident then I know I have done all I can I won't be happy about it but ... Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Thank you for your help
I have to ask, Belinda - what are the clothes pins for? Have had CRF cats, never tried that. Gloria On Aug 12, 2009, at 1:11 PM, Belinda Sauro wrote: My thoughts on this: It tore my guts out to read about the horrendous things so many of the members were putting their very old, (16 to 19 years old) termininally ill cats through I just want to give another perspective, Fred is 18 or so now, he was 15 when he was diagnosed very early CRF and hyper thyroid, I'm on the CRF list you spoke of and I can't thank all of them for all the support I have gotten to keep Fred going. When I first started doing the fluids he needs daily he would bite me, he didn't like it, but after a week of using clothes pins on him he accepted it and has been getting them for over 2 years with no problems. Did it hurt him to put clothes pins down his neck for a week, no, I tried it on myself first, it felt like pressure but there was no pain, and he still tried to bite me but realised he couldn't reach me anymore and gave up. He also gets pills 4 or 5 times a day and of course he doesn't love it but my way of thinking is if you add it all up for the 30 minutes or so a day that it totals for the time I have to give him pills and fluids, he has lived a good quality of life for 3 more years ... I guarantee you he would have died years ago without my intervention. When anyone animal, person doesn't feel good they don't want to be messed with, I know that from my own experience, when I am sick, I don't want to eat or drink or want anyone to bother me. That doesn't mean I want to die. Once you get over the hump with help from your family and meds and feel better things get back to somewhat normal, as normal as they can be when you have a terminal condition. Yes I know at some point Fred will eventually not do as well and no matter what I do will keep getting worse because I do know CRF doesn't get cured BUT I will do everything I can to keep Fred here with me feeling as well as can be expected with his age and condition. Am I selfish, perhaps, but as you said, this is what I would want for myself, I am not leaving easily when it is my time and everyone that knows me knows that. Fred used to sleep on my pillow every night but I have his bed set up with everything but the litter box right there for him, so he prefers to stay there, he still comes in on occasion and stays a while, then goes back to his room. Do I think he doesn't like me anymore, no, he comes to me many times throughout the day and sits on my chest a few minutes so I can love him but he doesn't like me to give him his pills and if he weren't so lazy and a little weak he probably would run and hide, but it takes all of 10 seconds and it is over. It took a good 8 months or so to get him stable when we first found out he was CRF, he stopped eating and got a feeding tube. He gained back all the weight he lost and and pulled the tube out himself. Up until recently was keeping his weight pretty stable. He is losing weight now, he has virtually no muscle in either back leg and I can see he is getting to the point where things are going to start deteriorating as they do with this condition. I don't know how much longer we have but as long as he enjoys going out to lay in the sun, enjoys spending time with me I will do everything in my power to keep him going. Do I think anything I have done to keep Fred with me is horrendous, no, some people may, but I don't. I have gotten 3 more years of some very good memories with my Fred and I think for the most part Fred has enjoyed being here those 3 extra years. Everyone has their own ideas about quality of life, I personally think some people give up too early because of my beliefs and sometimes it is very hard for me to not say something but then I remember it is their pet and as long as whatever they are doing is out of love for that pet then I really can't say anything. What one person thinks is horrendous is loving and compassionate care to another. We can only do what we think is best for those in our care according to what our beliefs are ... When it is obvious to me that nothing I do will make any difference anymore then I will let Fred go. At some point the body, animal or human just can't go on anymore and when that is evident then I know I have done all I can I won't be happy about it but ... Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Thank you from Bella's Family
my babies are all buried in my flower gardens. have them scattered about in many gardens as i have had to bury many babies in the last 28 years, 2 dogs and 7 cats. they all loved to stroll throgh the flowers, so i decided to bury them there. dorlis Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: A garden is a lovely idea. With all the love and care you gave to Bella, I bet her garden turns out great. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Orth, Sarai Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank you from Bella's Family Thank you all for your loving posts. I didn't know how much I needed the support until I got it! It seems that so many people have not had a special relationship with a pet where they can relate to the hole that their passing leaves and that has been frustrating to me. This week is a better week as we are starting to be able to think lovingly about her and laugh about funny things she did! We miss her still and plan to make a beautiful garden for her over her gravesite. I am looking forward to planning out something lovely to honor her. I will take your words of wisdom and just keep loving the other baby like there is no tomorrow! He is spoiled rotten these days...he even sleeps in our bed now (which my husband never would have allowed before J) We hope that he stays symptom free for many years as we hear CAN happen. Thank you again for your kind words and if anyone else has any advice on preventative measures- always feel free to post! Sarai Orth Career Path Services Co-Located @ Valley DSHS Monday-Thursday 7-5:30 Voice (509) 227-2892 Fax (509) 227-2894 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Thank you from Bella's Family
Thank you all for your loving posts. I didn't know how much I needed the support until I got it! It seems that so many people have not had a special relationship with a pet where they can relate to the hole that their passing leaves and that has been frustrating to me. This week is a better week as we are starting to be able to think lovingly about her and laugh about funny things she did! We miss her still and plan to make a beautiful garden for her over her gravesite. I am looking forward to planning out something lovely to honor her. I will take your words of wisdom and just keep loving the other baby like there is no tomorrow! He is spoiled rotten these days...he even sleeps in our bed now (which my husband never would have allowed before J) We hope that he stays symptom free for many years as we hear CAN happen. Thank you again for your kind words and if anyone else has any advice on preventative measures- always feel free to post! Sarai Orth Career Path Services Co-Located @ Valley DSHS Monday-Thursday 7-5:30 Voice (509) 227-2892 Fax (509) 227-2894 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Thank you from Bella's Family
Peace to you. A suggestion since you are learning to heal: Start a chronicle of your little one(s). Write in it daily. I've done that with Copper and Thomas and frequently look back at the notes. Every time I do, I laugh and love these little guys even more. I sent emails to some friends about Dixie, who left this world all too some because of this disease, and they are comforting. The chronicles evolved from her emails. On Jul 16, 2009, at 3:00 PM, Orth, Sarai wrote: Thank you all for your loving posts. I didn't know how much I needed the support until I got it! It seems that so many people have not had a special relationship with a pet where they can relate to the hole that their passing leaves and that has been frustrating to me. This week is a better week as we are starting to be able to think lovingly about her and laugh about funny things she did! We miss her still and plan to make a beautiful garden for her over her gravesite. I am looking forward to planning out something lovely to honor her. I will take your words of wisdom and just keep loving the other baby like there is no tomorrow! He is spoiled rotten these days...he even sleeps in our bed now (which my husband never would have allowed before J) We hope that he stays symptom free for many years as we hear CAN happen. Thank you again for your kind words and if anyone else has any advice on preventative measures- always feel free to post! Sarai Orth Career Path Services Co-Located @ Valley DSHS Monday-Thursday 7-5:30 Voice (509) 227-2892 Fax (509) 227-2894 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Thank you from Bella's Family
A garden is a lovely idea. With all the love and care you gave to Bella, I bet her garden turns out great. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Orth, Sarai Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank you from Bella's Family Thank you all for your loving posts. I didn't know how much I needed the support until I got it! It seems that so many people have not had a special relationship with a pet where they can relate to the hole that their passing leaves and that has been frustrating to me. This week is a better week as we are starting to be able to think lovingly about her and laugh about funny things she did! We miss her still and plan to make a beautiful garden for her over her gravesite. I am looking forward to planning out something lovely to honor her. I will take your words of wisdom and just keep loving the other baby like there is no tomorrow! He is spoiled rotten these days...he even sleeps in our bed now (which my husband never would have allowed before J) We hope that he stays symptom free for many years as we hear CAN happen. Thank you again for your kind words and if anyone else has any advice on preventative measures- always feel free to post! Sarai Orth Career Path Services Co-Located @ Valley DSHS Monday-Thursday 7-5:30 Voice (509) 227-2892 Fax (509) 227-2894 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Arlene's Thank you.
Hello Everyone: A few months ago I posted on this list about a TNR worker in Arizona who had fallen on some bad times. Her husband had passed away from cancer and she was facing a mountain of medical bills and eviction. She could also not vet her personal pets. Several people on this list donated to Paws Patrol for her benifit. Paws Patrol is the TNR group in Arizona that she is affiliated with. The following links are to the letter my friend in Paws Patrol wrote to me and Arlenes letter of thanks. [IMG]http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo125/katlover13/MerryLetterP1.jpg[/IMG] http://s368.photobucket.com/albums/oo125/katlover13/?action=viewcurrent=MerryLetterP2.jpg http://s368.photobucket.com/albums/oo125/katlover13/?action=viewcurrent=ThankYouLetter001.jpg Also a big thank you from me to everyone who helped Arlene. Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Arlene's Thank you.
This is good news. Was wondering how she was doing! In a message dated 6/29/2009 7:00:47 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, fs...@roadrunner.com writes: Hello Everyone: A few months ago I posted on this list about a TNR worker in Arizona who had fallen on some bad times. Her husband had passed away from cancer and she was facing a mountain of medical bills and eviction. She could also not vet her personal pets. Several people on this list donated to Paws Patrol for her benifit. Paws Patrol is the TNR group in Arizona that she is affiliated with. The following links are to the letter my friend in Paws Patrol wrote to me and Arlenes letter of thanks. [IMG]http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo125/katlover13/MerryLetterP1.jpg[/ IMG] http://s368.photobucket.com/albums/oo125/katlover13/?action=viewcurrent=Mer ryLetterP2.jpg http://s368.photobucket.com/albums/oo125/katlover13/?action=viewcurrent=Tha nkYouLetter001.jpg Also a big thank you from me to everyone who helped Arlene. Sue TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Sultan/Startup, WA. _http://tazzys.org/_ (http://tazzys.org/index.html) Board Member for 501(c)3 Non-Profit national rescue. All donations are tax deductible. _http://www.hurricanepetsrescue.org/_ (http://www.hurricanepetsrescue.org/) Terrie Mohr-Forker **Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood0005) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT, sort of--I've been offline for over a year and I want to thank you all
Dear Melissa and all: Well, I'm finally back on my computer after a solid year or more-- just plowing thru ENORMOUS amts of email! I saw this note from Melissa about Baby Penelope (now Great Big Girl Penelope). After my little bitty FeLV+ Sammy passed away last year after four months of successful, no sick-making chemotherapy everything became overwhelming. I didn't look at my snailmail for four months or my email for over a year. Didn't even use the computer. I want to thank ALL of you for your messages of condolence after his passing. His little brudders Teddy Monkeytail Humphrey of Stewart and Charlie Morito Humphrey of Stewart are sitting here in the den with me as I write to you all. They were fortunate enough to escape the feline leukemia that little Sammy inherited from their wild mother. They are healthy and happy and gprgeous little ones and I am sure they see their mother and their brother in their dreams. Among the other wildlife in our home we have a new all-black little kitten (well, bigger now!) who I named Tallulah with a great big swishy, poofy tail who was found with her two little sibbies (all little black girls) by a contractor in a crawlspace in Wilmette (the next suburb over to mine) at three weeks and taken by the family to our wonderful local petshop Wilmette Pet where one of the pet shop boys there raised them. My mom had just lost my dad's cat Scotty, a big poofy black boy with long, thick eyelashes like a HUMAN, to kidney disease and since every home needs AT LEAST one black cat (good luck in England) little Tallulah came home with me. Actually her full name is Tallulah de la Falaise Scobie Humphrey of Stewart (that's our street--a play on all those silly pedigreed names--all our cats are rescues, little darling mutt kitties!) We call her Lulu. Tallulah refers to her goofy little sexy walk. The wonderful upshot of pet shop boy Eric raising three tiny baby girl kittens is that he has taken a job with a local veterinarian and is now on his way to becoming a vet--starting from the ground up as a vet tech! Isn't that wonderful? And, now I must go--my sweet little girl Lilibet Squeekietoy (very teeny voice) is asking me to come watch her eat! Thank you again for everything! Taylor Scobie Humphrey Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Sep 5, 2007, at 2:40 PM, Melissa Lind wrote: Well, since the list is quiet today, I’ll share my new kitty update. I’ve decided to name her Penelope. I was watching CSI Miami last night—reruns—and as I was trying to coax her out from behind the piano, I was also trying to figure out her name. I heard “Penelope” on the TV several times. I think it was the name of a ship or something on the show. It seemed to fit this little timid girl, so it’s stuck so far. We’ll see what hubby thinks of the name. I was thinking about asking him to name the baby so he’d be more attached and connected with her. However, he may not notice her since she’s been hiding out quite a bit. She’s so little, he might not see her! He’ll be home tonight for sure, but since he can’t speak cat, I don’t think anyone is going to tell him about the new addition. We’ll see how long it takes to notice. Penelope seems to be fairing well with the other cats. I let her hang out with them without boundaries, dividers, etc. There’s a lot of hissing, but mostly it’s just the other cats hissing at each other. Everyone is on edge since the new baby has thrown a wrench into the pecking order. None is mean to her, so I think we’ll all be getting along great in a few days—as long as my husband doesn’t kick us all out! Just kidding, he’s actually very kind-hearted despite how I might depict him on here! I’ll try to post pictures tomorrow. Melissa Lind Contract Administrator DEG Enterprises, Inc. 200 Norfolk Av. Norfolk, NE 68701 Phone: 402-379-1820 Fax: 402-379-3604 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Thank you everyone!
I just wanted to thank everyone who posted in response to my LTIC/Imulan Losing Kitties message. Your support and well wishes were wonderful and encouraging! Others who don't know much about FeLV can have some interesting responses sometimes. I had one of my neighbors come over to feed our cat Neo for a couple of days while we were away once. She ended up coming down with some horrible rash around the same time all over her body. She instantly thought it was due to FeLV. Even her vet told her it wouldn't have caused those symptoms in people! I don't know if she ever found out the true cause of her skin condition, but again the first thought was to blame my cat! But I digress. Hopefully I'll find a cat sitter next time I go away that isn't fearful of the illness. We started Neo on the LTIC shots this past week. He's in good health now so hopefully it will prolong his life. Does anyone have experience with LTIC with their kitties? Thanks again and I hope everyone had a nice Thanksgiving. :) Amber _ Get more done, have more fun, and stay more connected with Windows Mobile®. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642556/direct/01/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Thank you everyone!
Amber, We have been using LTCI on our little Gray Kitty. However, since his diagnosis on September 6 of this year, the disease has progressed to his bone marrow. At this point we are not sure if anything will help him. We have not run into another situation such as ours. We took in a stray pregnant female in 2007, which tested negative for the FelV. She had 3 male kittens, which we all kept. Our Gray Kitty is the only one that has been diagnosed with the FelV. The other two test negative. Also Gray Kitty is the only one with the B type blood. We are so puzzled, shocked, and very saddened that he has come down with this disease. We know our time with him is so very precious. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:00:13 + Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank you everyone! I just wanted to thank everyone who posted in response to my LTIC/Imulan Losing Kitties message. Your support and well wishes were wonderful and encouraging! Others who don't know much about FeLV can have some interesting responses sometimes. I had one of my neighbors come over to feed our cat Neo for a couple of days while we were away once. She ended up coming down with some horrible rash around the same time all over her body. She instantly thought it was due to FeLV. Even her vet told her it wouldn't have caused those symptoms in people! I don't know if she ever found out the true cause of her skin condition, but again the first thought was to blame my cat! But I digress. Hopefully I'll find a cat sitter next time I go away that isn't fearful of the illness. We started Neo on the LTIC shots this past week. He's in good health now so hopefully it will prolong his life. Does anyone have experience with LTIC with their kitties? Thanks again and I hope everyone had a nice Thanksgiving. :) Amber _ Get more done, have more fun, and stay more connected with Windows Mobile®. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642556/direct/01/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Thank you to everyone on this list.
I just spoke with Dr. Tom about Buzzy's latest bloodwork. He has gone from 8 when he was first diagnosed to 11 last Tuesday and Saturday he was 18. It is because of the advise of the people on this list that I demanded the Doxycycline from the vet. The Doxycycline in combination with the prednesone that Dr. Tom put him on has ment that Buzz still has his life. He will be loved and spoiled for as much time as he has, and here's hoping it is years! Thank you everyone! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Thank you to everyone on this list.
What wonderful news, Sue!! I have learned so much from everyone here already!!! Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 11:41:03 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank you to everyone on this list. I just spoke with Dr. Tom about Buzzy's latest bloodwork. He has gone from 8 when he was first diagnosed to 11 last Tuesday and Saturday he was 18. It is because of the advise of the people on this list that I demanded the Doxycycline from the vet. The Doxycycline in combination with the prednesone that Dr. Tom put him on has ment that Buzz still has his life. He will be loved and spoiled for as much time as he has, and here's hoping it is years! Thank you everyone! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Sue, I am SO happy to hear this! That is absolutely wonderful! :):):):) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 4, 2008 10:41:03 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank you to everyone on this list. I just spoke with Dr. Tom about Buzzy's latest bloodwork. He has gone from 8 when he was first diagnosed to 11 last Tuesday and Saturday he was 18. It is because of the advise of the people on this list that I demanded the Doxycycline from the vet. The Doxycycline in combination with the prednesone that Dr. Tom put him on has ment that Buzz still has his life. He will be loved and spoiled for as much time as he has, and here's hoping it is years! Thank you everyone! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Wonderful news Sue. I so hope he continues to improve and fight this along with you. How is he feeling by the way? Lynne - Original Message - From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 11:41 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank you to everyone on this list. I just spoke with Dr. Tom about Buzzy's latest bloodwork. He has gone from 8 when he was first diagnosed to 11 last Tuesday and Saturday he was 18. It is because of the advise of the people on this list that I demanded the Doxycycline from the vet. The Doxycycline in combination with the prednesone that Dr. Tom put him on has ment that Buzz still has his life. He will be loved and spoiled for as much time as he has, and here's hoping it is years! Thank you everyone! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3301 (20080727) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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His energy level continues to improve. If I were to look at him now not knowing what he had been through I would not know that he was sick. He still doesn't play like the kitten he still is (a little over a year old). I just love to watch him eat. He is back to following me around. Did you ever decide what to do about BooBoo's son? Or are you just trying to get through all you are going through with Lennie right now? Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = Wonderful news Sue. I so hope he continues to improve and fight this along with you. How is he feeling by the way? Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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that is such great news, sue--doxy is one of those scary drugs, to me, because it is SO strong, but damn, when it's used in the correct way for the correct conditions, it WORKS. this is a perfect example of the relationship we deserve to have with our vets--a PARTNERSHIP--they can't know everything, and because we have the ultimate impetus to learn the details of specific conditions affecting OUR companions, we often have access to alternative information that they just haven't had the reason to come across. being open to what other vets HAVE learned, or what we have found in our wanderings is what matters--as with human medicine, WE are the consumers, and if our vets won't work with us, we need to find new vets. i'm SO glad that buzzy's numbers are climbing. MC On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just spoke with Dr. Tom about Buzzy's latest bloodwork. He has gone from 8 when he was first diagnosed to 11 last Tuesday and Saturday he was 18. It is because of the advise of the people on this list that I demanded the Doxycycline from the vet. The Doxycycline in combination with the prednesone that Dr. Tom put him on has ment that Buzz still has his life. He will be loved and spoiled for as much time as he has, and here's hoping it is years! Thank you everyone! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Yipee!!! I am so happy for the good news. Junior started out anemic as well it was actually the first symptom that something was wrong. He was put on Baytril rather than doxy but for the same reason. His anemia got better. It was not as bad as Buzzy's. Great News. Sally Davis ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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lynne, thank you so much for sharing BooBoo with US. it's through these dear ones that we are learn the limitlessness of love, as well as the limits of modern medicine. BooBoo's journey hasn't just taught you great lessons, but has given your vets, and the folks at the humane society, and each of us, new things to look for, new questions to ask, new reasons to look for answers. your last line, about him not knowing how much good he's done: i think they DO know, on some level--and that's why they come to us; they know that no matter how hard it is for us, we will do what needs to be done, and will fight for them AND for all the cats that come after them. i think they know, and their little furry hearts swell with pride as they see their dim-but-lovable humans go on to share the knowledge, and, always, the love. GLOW continues to heal your hearts. MC On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just wanted to say thank you to all of you wonderful people for your kind and comforting words. I don't know how I got through today. It was so hard not crying at work but on the way home I just couldn't control it anymore. I didn't want to walk into the house knowing he wasn't upstairs to say hi to. I even mistakenly called Lennie BooBoo. My husband had a rough day too. I had called our vet this morning to tell them what had happened and to see if they could use BooBoo's interferon. Dr. Gill said there were 4 cats at the other Clinic that could benefit from it so Bob took it to him. He said that was a difficult trip because everyone was so sorry and all the staff came out to offer condolences. I haven't been upstairs yet, just can't do it. I read your lovely messages before dinner and cried my head off. I have no regrets about what we did for BooBoo but the sorrow is overwhelming not having him anymore. I did call the humane society today and asked if they would let me fax them with my story because I just couldn't talk about it and the man said, certainly, and they will visit the people who sold him to us and get contact information for all the people they sold animals to, informing them that their cats may be infected. Unfortunately, he told me, there are no laws that protect the cat, just the purchaser. He said there was nothing to stop this woman from doing the same thing all over again if she chose. I told Bob, BooBoo deserves some justice and this is all I can think of doing. I could sue them, may not win, but I have patients who are some of the best lawyers in the City and they would cut me a good deal. I just don't have the energy for it. And, I happily took the responsibility for him and all that went with it. Again, bless all of you wonderful, kind, hurting and caring people. Your words have brought tears to my eyes but it's necessary I suppose. I have gained so much insight into this disease and a desire to help these dear animals. I would have been so lost without you all. BooBoo will never know how much good he did in his short life. Sincerely Lynne -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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I just wanted to say thank you to all of you wonderful people for your kind and comforting words. I don't know how I got through today. It was so hard not crying at work but on the way home I just couldn't control it anymore. I didn't want to walk into the house knowing he wasn't upstairs to say hi to. I even mistakenly called Lennie BooBoo. My husband had a rough day too. I had called our vet this morning to tell them what had happened and to see if they could use BooBoo's interferon. Dr. Gill said there were 4 cats at the other Clinic that could benefit from it so Bob took it to him. He said that was a difficult trip because everyone was so sorry and all the staff came out to offer condolences. I haven't been upstairs yet, just can't do it. I read your lovely messages before dinner and cried my head off. I have no regrets about what we did for BooBoo but the sorrow is overwhelming not having him anymore. I did call the humane society today and asked if they would let me fax them with my story because I just couldn't talk about it and the man said, certainly, and they will visit the people who sold him to us and get contact information for all the people they sold animals to, informing them that their cats may be infected. Unfortunately, he told me, there are no laws that protect the cat, just the purchaser. He said there was nothing to stop this woman from doing the same thing all over again if she chose. I told Bob, BooBoo deserves some justice and this is all I can think of doing. I could sue them, may not win, but I have patients who are some of the best lawyers in the City and they would cut me a good deal. I just don't have the energy for it. And, I happily took the responsibility for him and all that went with it. Again, bless all of you wonderful, kind, hurting and caring people. Your words have brought tears to my eyes but it's necessary I suppose. I have gained so much insight into this disease and a desire to help these dear animals. I would have been so lost without you all. BooBoo will never know how much good he did in his short life. Sincerely Lynne
Re: more questions and thank you
Dorothy, If your going to quote me maybe you should read my WHOLE email: the best place to get accurate info is from a vet who is knowledgable about FeLV and goes to continued education seminars, not the internet. I think that covers this statement: Have you ever heard of a library, Belinda? Or a veterinarian? Perhaps those are sources you would like to consider, although I am sure that in your opinion, they are not accurate either. By every other test I only see 2 and yes it is possible that both tests were false negatives. Armond came to me at 4 weeks old - FeLV negative and _always_ immunized. He was still negative at age 8 years when we moved to a new state and all of the animals were tested again before moving. At age 8 1/2, we brought a stray in; after 6 months she got sick and we discovered she was FeLV positive. Knowing that it _is_ extremely contagious, our vet wanted Armond tested immediately. Sure enough, he was positive also. Coincidence? Every other test was a false negative? I love the way people like you read something the way they want to see it, I said nothing like this, what I said was MY THEN VET who I did put all my faith in being very young and naive and thinking my vet knew everything told me I didn't have to worry about exposing my cats because they were all indoor. Of course I know better now, but back then I had only heard the word FeLV a few times and had no clue what it was and apparently neither did my vet. My cats were vaccinated for everything BUT FeLV because my vet told me they didn't need to be being indoor ONLY. Love the way you twisted my words below to suit yourself. I see where you are trying to justify putting your own cats at risk. Since you can promise that the cat was positive all along you relieve yourself of any responsibility for intentionally putting them at risk for infection. Shame on you. Obviously my cats were/are my responsibility and what ever happens to them lays with me. And yes the virus can sequester in the bone marrow and a cat can test negative. The test is very delicate and false negatives are common like it or not. I feel the same about your info, a lot of cats will die if their people listen to your scare tactics. FeLV IS NOT AS CONTAGIOUS AS SOME VETS TRY TO SCARE YOU INTO BELIEVING. ? What part of this situation do you not understand? And, how dare you pass this false information on to others? What a terrible disservice you have done to anyone who reads this. I am disgusted to think that people are listening to you and taking your advice. If your going to continue to inform with false information and insist it is true I have no problem with that. I think I have a lot more experience with FeLV and I have saved cats lives, not scared people into possibly ending them. OH and I never said what I was saying was gospel, I've always said these are my experiences and there are many others I know on the list and off who have VERY similar experiences. And from those experiences and LONG talks with my vet, those are my conclusions and opinions. Every thing your stating your stating as fact. I can assure you that I will not return to this support group again. I refuse to participate in a battle of wills with someone like you. Please do your homework about this before you feel the need to give any more possibly fatal advice. Funny how everyone who hears FeLV info they don't like call it a battle of wills, my info is as valid as yours, your experience vs mine. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
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Guys, come on..the list is just getting back on track after the last round of arguing... On 2/29/08, Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dorothy, If your going to quote me maybe you should read my WHOLE email: the best place to get accurate info is from a vet who is knowledgable about FeLV and goes to continued education seminars, not the internet. I think that covers this statement: Have you ever heard of a library, Belinda? Or a veterinarian? Perhaps those are sources you would like to consider, although I am sure that in your opinion, they are not accurate either. By every other test I only see 2 and yes it is possible that both tests were false negatives. Armond came to me at 4 weeks old - FeLV negative and *always* immunized. He was still negative at age 8 years when we moved to a new state and all of the animals were tested again before moving. At age 8 1/2, we brought a stray in; after 6 months she got sick and we discovered she was FeLV positive. Knowing that it *is* extremely contagious, our vet wanted Armond tested immediately. Sure enough, he was positive also. Coincidence? Every other test was a false negative? I love the way people like you read something the way they want to see it, I said nothing like this, what I said was MY THEN VET who I did put all my faith in being very young and naive and thinking my vet knew everything told me I didn't have to worry about exposing my cats because they were all indoor. Of course I know better now, but back then I had only heard the word FeLV a few times and had no clue what it was and apparently neither did my vet. My cats were vaccinated for everything BUT FeLV because my vet told me they didn't need to be being indoor ONLY. Love the way you twisted my words below to suit yourself. I see where you are trying to justify putting your own cats at risk. Since you can promise that the cat was positive all along you relieve yourself of any responsibility for intentionally putting them at risk for infection. Shame on you. Obviously my cats were/are my responsibility and what ever happens to them lays with me. And yes the virus can sequester in the bone marrow and a cat can test negative. The test is very delicate and false negatives are common like it or not. I feel the same about your info, a lot of cats will die if their people listen to your scare tactics. FeLV IS NOT AS CONTAGIOUS AS SOME VETS TRY TO SCARE YOU INTO BELIEVING. ? What part of this situation do you not understand? And, how dare you pass this false information on to others? What a terrible disservice you have done to anyone who reads this. I am disgusted to think that people are listening to you and taking your advice. If your going to continue to inform with false information and insist it is true I have no problem with that. I think I have a lot more experience with FeLV and I have saved cats lives, not scared people into possibly ending them. OH and I never said what I was saying was gospel, I've always said these are my experiences and there are many others I know on the list and off who have VERY similar experiences. And from those experiences and LONG talks with my vet, those are my conclusions and opinions. Every thing your stating your stating as fact. I can assure you that I will not return to this support group again. I refuse to participate in a battle of wills with someone like you. Please do your homework about this before you feel the need to give any more possibly fatal advice. Funny how everyone who hears FeLV info they don't like call it a battle of wills, my info is as valid as yours, your experience vs mine. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kittieshttp://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design]http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing]http://www.foryoubyus.com -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart http://www.change.org/rescuties
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Hi guys, I wanted to give you all a heart felt 'thank you' from both Julie and I for your sweet words of kindness and compassion. Every single post I read really did help, and it makes grieving easier when you know there are others out there who understand and care. :) Wendy embNever doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!/bnbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; /em~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2007 10:25:40 AM Subject: Re: Julie has crossed over the Rainbow Bridge I understand, and I'm so sorry. Thank you for writing the loving note to us, about Julie's last day and about her blessed life. Gloria On Dec 5, 2007, at 9:04 PM, wendy wrote: Hello everyone, It is with sadness I tell you that Julie's doctor and I helped Julie cross over the Rainbow Bridge yesterday afternoon. She was purring and happy when it happened and she passed peacefully. She was my beautiful 18.5 year old Maine Coon who lived a charmed life and was spoiled to no end. She was a very, very sweet kitty and was never aggressive to anyone or to any fellow animal ever. Her little body had just had it from the hyperT and CRF, and after this last week, I knew it was time. It was such a difficult decision to make though. Part of me felt like it was not my place to make that decision; after all I did not create her life. The other part knew that I could never let her suffer the way my Cricket did when he died from FeLV-related anemia. I knew it would be a matter of days for her and I wanted her to pass without suffering. I took off work to spend the day with her and she had a great day, even being as weak as she was. She enjoyed being outside in the sun; it was a beautiful day. I just want to thank everyone here for your help and encouragment with all my kitties and for being such great listeners. You all are wonderful people. Sincerely, Wendy Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
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Nina, Hideyo and Lance for offering help to Susan with Autumn. I remember feeling overwhelmed with fear and sadness several months ago and you really pulled us through. I really appreciate your input. xxx Jane
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Wendy, I believe it was me who wrote you off-list.. No worry, I am not offended in the least,, And, I have not been on-line for awhile, so I did not see your original post seeking reply. Hugs, Patti her gang ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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This is going to sound a bit strange. I sent out an email a few days ago asking for help in id'ing whoever wrote me an email off list. No bites, so I just wanted to thank the person who wrote the very kind words that they did. It really made me feel good. I don't know how I accidentally deleted it. I read it and since I was at my parent's visiting and they were calling to me to come play 42 right then, I didn't have time to respond. So I was planning on coming back when we got back to Texas and writing a thoughtful reply, but when I went to look for it, it was gone. I hope I have not offended the person who took the time to write it. Again, thank you for the kind words. I am truly honored. :) Wendy --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, Someone emailed me off-list, I believe it was late last week, and I must have accidentally deleted it because I can't find it to reply. If it was you, and you could resend the email, I would be very appreciative. I apologize for my absentmindedness! Thanks! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL
RE: Kisa is gone, thank you all
Cassandra, You're not being punished for something! Are you Catholic? :-) I am, and I often have these feelings of guilt or punishment-sometimes we just can't see through the bleakness and the sadness, and we try to rationalize in any way possible. There is no way that God or the Universe or Karma or whatever you may believe in is punishing you. I firmly believe that because we love so much, we will inevitably hurt more than other people who don't love animals. There's the old saying that God only gives us what we can handle, and I used to tell myself that when I lost my son. I'm not sure I believe it or not, but I want to. It's not that we are being punished, but we are people who can handle it. We have to for these kitties since no one will. We will suffer in the process, but we know that the time we did spend with these babies is still worth all our grief. We can handle it because we're strong people who stand up for our fellow creatures who are innocent, neglected, and abused. I guess I think of it as a yin/yang type thing-or a balance if you will. Our grief is directly proportional to our capacity to love-so clearly, you and everyone on this list are very loving people. Although the sadness can be overwhelming, it is the result of a greater love and compassion for others-it comes from your heart. It's not punishment that all this is happening at once, but I understand how you can feel that way. Another old saying: When it rains, it pours. For me this seems to be the case! But, you'll get through it! Keep your head up and realize how special you, your husband, and those around you are since what you do is a phenomenal gift to our world. Best, Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C J Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 10:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Kisa is gone, thank you all I just want to thank you all for your many kind words and thoughts regarding Kisa, Koda, and Tomi. This is one of the few places where I feel comfortable sharing how strongly I feel about my babies and how deeply saddened I am by their illnesses. My husband is about the only other person who understands how much our kitties mean to both him and I. Most other people I know don't understand the deep bond one can have with an animal. All your replies have meant much to me, and made me feel better. It is amazing that you have never met my babies or I, and yet can offer so many words of reassurance. I am missing Kisa terribly, as she was so much fun to have around. She was the social one, who interacted with my other cats, grooming and playing. Now I have three kitties left who have nothing at all to do with each other. I think they all miss her. Sadly, I am not having much time to grieve for Kisa, because I believe Tomi is getting sick again. The last few days, he seems to be getting more anemic again, and he vomited tonight. After he vomited, he was panting for a few seconds. I'm also worried that he hasn't grown back the hair on his neck that was shaved 3 months ago for his blood test. It still looks like it did a week after it was shaved. I'm thinking of bringing him into the vet again, even though they wanted to put him to sleep 2 months ago. I was wondering if his hemobartonella may be coming back, and that should be simple enough for them to test for. I am so scared to have to go through this again so soon, and afraid Tomi won't be able to pull off a miracle a second time. I almost feel like we are being punished for something, the way this nightmare seems to be unfolding. Cassandra - Original Message - From: C mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:50 PM Subject: Kisa is gone :( Kisa passed away this morning while I was at work, exactly one month after Koda. My heart is broken, especially since I wasn't there with her at the end. I had prayed and hoped so much that she would continue to improve after she started eating again a week and a half ago. I suppose it was just too much for her to overcome. The anemia never really did improve much. Though her breathing was better, her skin was so pale. The last few days, her appetite faltered again, and she was getting weaker. I didn't think today would be the day she died, though i'm relieved she didn't have to go on suffering much longer. I don't think she was in pain, and I sincerely hope she wasn't in pain at the end. It was just so hard to see her so weak when she was as active and happy as a kitten 3 weeks ago. Kisa is going to be missed more than words can say. She never quite saw her 3rd birthday, but the time she spent with us will never be forgotten. She was special in so many ways, I wouldn't even know where to start to list them all. Fearless, loving, gentle, playful, curious, and sweet are just a few of the words that describe her. She's been sleeping on my pillow
Re: Kisa is gone, thank you all
Kelly, I have never heard anyone admit that before, but i agree with you. I had a really bad time when my mom died, but that hasn't been the case with the rest of my relatives. When Smokey died last summer...I could have died. We were so close, and it hurt so very much. In 2005, when our big orange guy, Ginger died suddenly, I will never forget my husband going in that room and seeing him. I heard him crying, and that was so unlike him. We both really have emotional bonds with these guys. They are so loving, forgiving and faithful. It is a pleasure to be taking care of them. Dede --- Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:33 PM 6/15/2007, you wrote: Cassandra You have been through so very much and I am hoping with all my heart that Tomi will show signs of improvement, Yes we all understand the pain of loving animals with life threatening illnesses and we understand your grief, i hate to admit this but I did not have the grief when I lost my dad that Ido when I lost one of my sweet babies. Only those here will understand. all my thoughts and hopes and good energy going to you Kelly I just want to thank you all for your many kind words and thoughts regarding Kisa, Koda, and Tomi. This is one of the few places where I feel comfortable sharing how strongly I feel about my babies and how deeply saddened I am by their illnesses. My husband is about the only other person who understands how much our kitties mean to both him and I. Most other people I know don't understand the deep bond one can have with an animal. All your replies have meant much to me, and made me feel better. It is amazing that you have never met my babies or I, and yet can offer so many words of reassurance. I am missing Kisa terribly, as she was so much fun to have around. She was the social one, who interacted with my other cats, grooming and playing. Now I have three kitties left who have nothing at all to do with each other. I think they all miss her. Sadly, I am not having much time to grieve for Kisa, because I believe Tomi is getting sick again. The last few days, he seems to be getting more anemic again, and he vomited tonight. After he vomited, he was panting for a few seconds. I'm also worried that he hasn't grown back the hair on his neck that was shaved 3 months ago for his blood test. It still looks like it did a week after it was shaved. I'm thinking of bringing him into the vet again, even though they wanted to put him to sleep 2 months ago. I was wondering if his hemobartonella may be coming back, and that should be simple enough for them to test for. I am so scared to have to go through this again so soon, and afraid Tomi won't be able to pull off a miracle a second time. I almost feel like we are being punished for something, the way this nightmare seems to be unfolding. Cassandra - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]C J To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:50 PM Subject: Kisa is gone :( Kisa passed away this morning while I was at work, exactly one month after Koda. My heart is broken, especially since I wasn't there with her at the end. I had prayed and hoped so much that she would continue to improve after she started eating again a week and a half ago. I suppose it was just too much for her to overcome. The anemia never really did improve much. Though her breathing was better, her skin was so pale. The last few days, her appetite faltered again, and she was getting weaker. I didn't think today would be the day she died, though i'm relieved she didn't have to go on suffering much longer. I don't think she was in pain, and I sincerely hope she wasn't in pain at the end. It was just so hard to see her so weak when she was as active and happy as a kitten 3 weeks ago. Kisa is going to be missed more than words can say. She never quite saw her 3rd birthday, but the time she spent with us will never be forgotten. She was special in so many ways, I wouldn't even know where to start to list them all. Fearless, loving, gentle, playful, curious, and sweet are just a few of the words that describe her. She's been sleeping on my pillow the last few nights, and i'm going to miss her warmth so much. If it ever stops raining, she will be buried next to Koda tonight. I made a rock garden full of flowers on top of Koda's grave. Now Kisa will join her there. Cassandra -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.14/845 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 6:39 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.16/849 - Release Date: 6/14/2007 12:44 PM When you are in the service
Re: Kisa is gone, thank you all
I often wonder what the link is between those of us who forge deep emotional connections with their pets, and those who do not, or cannot. I have always felt like the lunatic fringe when the loss of my 19 year old cat was more painful than loosing either of my parents. As we all know, the stress of caring for a sick pet is off the charts, for the likes of us. The internet and support groups like this are really a lifeline. Jane On Jun 16, 2007, at 8:38 AM, dede hicken wrote: Kelly, I have never heard anyone admit that before, but i agree with you. I had a really bad time when my mom died, but that hasn't been the case with the rest of my relatives. When Smokey died last summer...I could have died. We were so close, and it hurt so very much. In 2005, when our big orange guy, Ginger died suddenly, I will never forget my husband going in that room and seeing him. I heard him crying, and that was so unlike him. We both really have emotional bonds with these guys. They are so loving, forgiving and faithful. It is a pleasure to be taking care of them. Dede --- Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:33 PM 6/15/2007, you wrote: Cassandra You have been through so very much and I am hoping with all my heart that Tomi will show signs of improvement, Yes we all understand the pain of loving animals with life threatening illnesses and we understand your grief, i hate to admit this but I did not have the grief when I lost my dad that Ido when I lost one of my sweet babies. Only those here will understand. all my thoughts and hopes and good energy going to you Kelly I just want to thank you all for your many kind words and thoughts regarding Kisa, Koda, and Tomi. This is one of the few places where I feel comfortable sharing how strongly I feel about my babies and how deeply saddened I am by their illnesses. My husband is about the only other person who understands how much our kitties mean to both him and I. Most other people I know don't understand the deep bond one can have with an animal. All your replies have meant much to me, and made me feel better. It is amazing that you have never met my babies or I, and yet can offer so many words of reassurance. I am missing Kisa terribly, as she was so much fun to have around. She was the social one, who interacted with my other cats, grooming and playing. Now I have three kitties left who have nothing at all to do with each other. I think they all miss her. Sadly, I am not having much time to grieve for Kisa, because I believe Tomi is getting sick again. The last few days, he seems to be getting more anemic again, and he vomited tonight. After he vomited, he was panting for a few seconds. I'm also worried that he hasn't grown back the hair on his neck that was shaved 3 months ago for his blood test. It still looks like it did a week after it was shaved. I'm thinking of bringing him into the vet again, even though they wanted to put him to sleep 2 months ago. I was wondering if his hemobartonella may be coming back, and that should be simple enough for them to test for. I am so scared to have to go through this again so soon, and afraid Tomi won't be able to pull off a miracle a second time. I almost feel like we are being punished for something, the way this nightmare seems to be unfolding. Cassandra - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]C J To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:50 PM Subject: Kisa is gone :( Kisa passed away this morning while I was at work, exactly one month after Koda. My heart is broken, especially since I wasn't there with her at the end. I had prayed and hoped so much that she would continue to improve after she started eating again a week and a half ago. I suppose it was just too much for her to overcome. The anemia never really did improve much. Though her breathing was better, her skin was so pale. The last few days, her appetite faltered again, and she was getting weaker. I didn't think today would be the day she died, though i'm relieved she didn't have to go on suffering much longer. I don't think she was in pain, and I sincerely hope she wasn't in pain at the end. It was just so hard to see her so weak when she was as active and happy as a kitten 3 weeks ago. Kisa is going to be missed more than words can say. She never quite saw her 3rd birthday, but the time she spent with us will never be forgotten. She was special in so many ways, I wouldn't even know where to start to list them all. Fearless, loving, gentle, playful, curious, and sweet are just a few of the words that describe her. She's been sleeping on my pillow the last few nights, and i'm going to miss her warmth so much. If it ever stops raining, she will be buried next to Koda tonight. I made a rock garden full of flowers on top of Koda's grave. Now
Re: Kisa is gone, thank you all
It was much harder to loose a dear kitty than to go through a divorce. People don't understand that either. It's true though - nothing leaves such a hole in your heart. Love and prayers to you and to Tomi, Cassandra. elizabeth On 6/15/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:33 PM 6/15/2007, you wrote: Cassandra You have been through so very much and I am hoping with all my heart that Tomi will show signs of improvement, Yes we all understand the pain of loving animals with life threatening illnesses and we understand your grief, i hate to admit this but I did not have the grief when I lost my dad that Ido when I lost one of my sweet babies. Only those here will understand. all my thoughts and hopes and good energy going to you Kelly I just want to thank you all for your many kind words and thoughts regarding Kisa, Koda, and Tomi. This is one of the few places where I feel comfortable sharing how strongly I feel about my babies and how deeply saddened I am by their illnesses. My husband is about the only other person who understands how much our kitties mean to both him and I. Most other people I know don't understand the deep bond one can have with an animal. All your replies have meant much to me, and made me feel better. It is amazing that you have never met my babies or I, and yet can offer so many words of reassurance. I am missing Kisa terribly, as she was so much fun to have around. She was the social one, who interacted with my other cats, grooming and playing. Now I have three kitties left who have nothing at all to do with each other. I think they all miss her. Sadly, I am not having much time to grieve for Kisa, because I believe Tomi is getting sick again. The last few days, he seems to be getting more anemic again, and he vomited tonight. After he vomited, he was panting for a few seconds. I'm also worried that he hasn't grown back the hair on his neck that was shaved 3 months ago for his blood test. It still looks like it did a week after it was shaved. I'm thinking of bringing him into the vet again, even though they wanted to put him to sleep 2 months ago. I was wondering if his hemobartonella may be coming back, and that should be simple enough for them to test for. I am so scared to have to go through this again so soon, and afraid Tomi won't be able to pull off a miracle a second time. I almost feel like we are being punished for something, the way this nightmare seems to be unfolding. Cassandra - Original Message - From: C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:50 PM Subject: Kisa is gone :( Kisa passed away this morning while I was at work, exactly one month after Koda. My heart is broken, especially since I wasn't there with her at the end. I had prayed and hoped so much that she would continue to improve after she started eating again a week and a half ago. I suppose it was just too much for her to overcome. The anemia never really did improve much. Though her breathing was better, her skin was so pale. The last few days, her appetite faltered again, and she was getting weaker. I didn't think today would be the day she died, though i'm relieved she didn't have to go on suffering much longer. I don't think she was in pain, and I sincerely hope she wasn't in pain at the end. It was just so hard to see her so weak when she was as active and happy as a kitten 3 weeks ago. Kisa is going to be missed more than words can say. She never quite saw her 3rd birthday, but the time she spent with us will never be forgotten. She was special in so many ways, I wouldn't even know where to start to list them all. Fearless, loving, gentle, playful, curious, and sweet are just a few of the words that describe her. She's been sleeping on my pillow the last few nights, and i'm going to miss her warmth so much. If it ever stops raining, she will be buried next to Koda tonight. I made a rock garden full of flowers on top of Koda's grave. Now Kisa will join her there. Cassandra -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.14/845 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 6:39 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.16/849 - Release Date: 6/14/2007 12:44 PM
Re: Kisa is gone, thank you all
I just want to thank you all for your many kind words and thoughts regarding Kisa, Koda, and Tomi. This is one of the few places where I feel comfortable sharing how strongly I feel about my babies and how deeply saddened I am by their illnesses. My husband is about the only other person who understands how much our kitties mean to both him and I. Most other people I know don't understand the deep bond one can have with an animal. All your replies have meant much to me, and made me feel better. It is amazing that you have never met my babies or I, and yet can offer so many words of reassurance. I am missing Kisa terribly, as she was so much fun to have around. She was the social one, who interacted with my other cats, grooming and playing. Now I have three kitties left who have nothing at all to do with each other. I think they all miss her. Sadly, I am not having much time to grieve for Kisa, because I believe Tomi is getting sick again. The last few days, he seems to be getting more anemic again, and he vomited tonight. After he vomited, he was panting for a few seconds. I'm also worried that he hasn't grown back the hair on his neck that was shaved 3 months ago for his blood test. It still looks like it did a week after it was shaved. I'm thinking of bringing him into the vet again, even though they wanted to put him to sleep 2 months ago. I was wondering if his hemobartonella may be coming back, and that should be simple enough for them to test for. I am so scared to have to go through this again so soon, and afraid Tomi won't be able to pull off a miracle a second time. I almost feel like we are being punished for something, the way this nightmare seems to be unfolding. Cassandra - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:50 PM Subject: Kisa is gone :( Kisa passed away this morning while I was at work, exactly one month after Koda. My heart is broken, especially since I wasn't there with her at the end. I had prayed and hoped so much that she would continue to improve after she started eating again a week and a half ago. I suppose it was just too much for her to overcome. The anemia never really did improve much. Though her breathing was better, her skin was so pale. The last few days, her appetite faltered again, and she was getting weaker. I didn't think today would be the day she died, though i'm relieved she didn't have to go on suffering much longer. I don't think she was in pain, and I sincerely hope she wasn't in pain at the end. It was just so hard to see her so weak when she was as active and happy as a kitten 3 weeks ago. Kisa is going to be missed more than words can say. She never quite saw her 3rd birthday, but the time she spent with us will never be forgotten. She was special in so many ways, I wouldn't even know where to start to list them all. Fearless, loving, gentle, playful, curious, and sweet are just a few of the words that describe her. She's been sleeping on my pillow the last few nights, and i'm going to miss her warmth so much. If it ever stops raining, she will be buried next to Koda tonight. I made a rock garden full of flowers on top of Koda's grave. Now Kisa will join her there. Cassandra -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.14/845 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 6:39 AM
Re: Kisa is gone, thank you all
At 08:33 PM 6/15/2007, you wrote: Cassandra You have been through so very much and I am hoping with all my heart that Tomi will show signs of improvement, Yes we all understand the pain of loving animals with life threatening illnesses and we understand your grief, i hate to admit this but I did not have the grief when I lost my dad that Ido when I lost one of my sweet babies. Only those here will understand. all my thoughts and hopes and good energy going to you Kelly I just want to thank you all for your many kind words and thoughts regarding Kisa, Koda, and Tomi. This is one of the few places where I feel comfortable sharing how strongly I feel about my babies and how deeply saddened I am by their illnesses. My husband is about the only other person who understands how much our kitties mean to both him and I. Most other people I know don't understand the deep bond one can have with an animal. All your replies have meant much to me, and made me feel better. It is amazing that you have never met my babies or I, and yet can offer so many words of reassurance. I am missing Kisa terribly, as she was so much fun to have around. She was the social one, who interacted with my other cats, grooming and playing. Now I have three kitties left who have nothing at all to do with each other. I think they all miss her. Sadly, I am not having much time to grieve for Kisa, because I believe Tomi is getting sick again. The last few days, he seems to be getting more anemic again, and he vomited tonight. After he vomited, he was panting for a few seconds. I'm also worried that he hasn't grown back the hair on his neck that was shaved 3 months ago for his blood test. It still looks like it did a week after it was shaved. I'm thinking of bringing him into the vet again, even though they wanted to put him to sleep 2 months ago. I was wondering if his hemobartonella may be coming back, and that should be simple enough for them to test for. I am so scared to have to go through this again so soon, and afraid Tomi won't be able to pull off a miracle a second time. I almost feel like we are being punished for something, the way this nightmare seems to be unfolding. Cassandra - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]C J To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:50 PM Subject: Kisa is gone :( Kisa passed away this morning while I was at work, exactly one month after Koda. My heart is broken, especially since I wasn't there with her at the end. I had prayed and hoped so much that she would continue to improve after she started eating again a week and a half ago. I suppose it was just too much for her to overcome. The anemia never really did improve much. Though her breathing was better, her skin was so pale. The last few days, her appetite faltered again, and she was getting weaker. I didn't think today would be the day she died, though i'm relieved she didn't have to go on suffering much longer. I don't think she was in pain, and I sincerely hope she wasn't in pain at the end. It was just so hard to see her so weak when she was as active and happy as a kitten 3 weeks ago. Kisa is going to be missed more than words can say. She never quite saw her 3rd birthday, but the time she spent with us will never be forgotten. She was special in so many ways, I wouldn't even know where to start to list them all. Fearless, loving, gentle, playful, curious, and sweet are just a few of the words that describe her. She's been sleeping on my pillow the last few nights, and i'm going to miss her warmth so much. If it ever stops raining, she will be buried next to Koda tonight. I made a rock garden full of flowers on top of Koda's grave. Now Kisa will join her there. Cassandra -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.14/845 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 6:39 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.16/849 - Release Date: 6/14/2007 12:44 PM
Re: Cryptococcosis (Was Prednisone - Thank You)
Thank you. You just gave a name to something I think I'm dealing with in an older kitten who has had what appeared to be a persistent uri. We've already made a vet appointment and planned to culture the nasal discharge but I think you've given me the name -- Cryptococcosis -- and I know exactly what I'm looking at. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The cat with the ear tumor would be MUCH better off long-term by having the ear removed than by being on pred long-term. There is a very involved, but effective total ear abalation surgery that removes the entire ear canal, including the inner and outer ear, and usually leaves a normal looking ear flap, but if the tumor involves the flap, you could take that as well. If it's only on the flap, of course, that's VERY easy to remove. I have not heard of Pred being used for seizures, but I could be wrong there. The extreme nasal discharge you are describing sounds like it began as a Herpes outbreak, or possibly Calici, and has since turned into a bacterial nasal infection in some of your cats. I would advise stronger or different antibiotics if you are not seeing improvement within 1 week of starting your current antibiotics. Another thing worth trying is testing the mucous for fungal infection, which often is something that is overlooked unless the owner specifically requests it be checked for. Here is a lab service that can test for most URI issues: http://www.zoologix.com/dogcat/Datasheets/FelineRespiratoryPanel.htm But, I would consider also doing a fungal test, at least for the most common nasal fungal infection, Cryptococcosis, as it is a serious issue if left untreated (the fungus can eat out the bones in the face if left to fester - it can also lead to some of the other symptoms you mentioned in your other cats, like blindness, and seizures - it's all around a NASTY thing that should be seriously considered if antibiotics do not help). http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2003PID=6653O=Generic Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
Prednisone - Thank You
What a gratifying thing to get such caring and educational replies from you folks about my Timmy. I guess we get so used to bearing the burden on our own shoulders that we forget there are kindred souls out there doing the same thing. Well I am familiar with pred and its evils, I am unfortunately on it because of rheumatoid arthritis for which I refuse to take the going drugs, which are linked to lymphoma and blindness, both of which my father had, so my risk is increased right there. But I sure need SOMETHING. Plus, I have osteoporosis so I definitely should not take pred. So I take Miacalcin for that. The options are not very attractive in this business of getting old and sick! As for my vet, he did say something to the effect that pred can be and is used in felv cats to suppress some of the symptoms and assist in managing it, not that it impacts the disease and of course with the understanding of its undermining the immune system. My previous vets before I moved also used pred for various things and actually, I do, too, with my large population of all sorts of not only conditions but personalities. I will use it briefly for a cat who is so miserable it won't eat, can't smell food, can't breathe because of nasal discharge, etc. Usually it will get them eating pronto and get them over that hump without force feeding. I started this with the previous vets who would spike their initial shot of antibiotics in the office, for such things as severe URI's and urinary problems. It can get them peeing without being catheterized quite frequently. So this is the type of usage I use it for. I also have a cat who is pretty blind, who has seizures and I give it to him during spells when he's having more seizures. I have a couple cats who have severe stomatitis that nothing has worked for, so I use steroids for them to try to manage it. I know it sounds like I use it a lot but it's really not that much per cat and it's only after I and the vet have tried other things first. I try to keep it to surge type treatments and wean them off it asap. But I find it very valuable for sick cats. We have also used it for various cancers we have dealt with. Right now I have one who has a very ugly, nasty, runny tumor in his ear that has been removed once but came right back, and I don't think he could survive without his steroids, that thing gets out of control without them. We are looking for a specialist to operate again. The tumor is benign. In Timmy's current situation, he just got the upper respiratory that is still going around my brood but actually, he's been snotty in the nose since I got him some months ago, but it wasn't severe. I treated with clavamox at first and that was good except for the couple deep bites and all the scratches I got giving it to him, but it came right back and since it didn't seem to be bothering him and he wasn't sneezing it around, he was eating and acting very well, I figured I'd save the antibiotics for down the road when I figured we'd need them more. Actually I treated a couple times, once with baytril., but no steroids till this time. This time he got real sick with it as did my negatives who got it, some did die very quickly from it. We don't know what it is except it's viral. I've had a horrible winter with it, the worst of my life as far as sick cats. It's been a nightmare. But Timmy stopped eating suddenly and nothing tempted him, I tried all my tricks, salmon, etc etc, I have a cupboardfull. I got him on baytril immediately and then some dex and did get an immediate response from that in the eating department and he's been eating well ever since. He's been on it several days and today I am going to look very closely at starting the tapering process. No, I'm sure Timmy wasn't at this place more than a day or 2 at most because believe me, I monitor the whole area thoroughly on a daily basis. I do a roundup a little ways away from the actual farm buildings and provide food every day. Actually the dumping has gone way down the last year+. Before that, it was SEVERAL new ones per week. Now there has only been a few the whole winter and spring so far. All the locals know what I am doing etc. I even had the game commission people checking on me because someone called them saying I was acting suspiciously...Word gets around. This is a very small-town, rural area. Anyhow, I know who is there and who is new today. I have even, let's say, gone places perhaps I should not have gone, in order to rescue some, knowing they needed rescued! There is no way he was there surviving and going blind from the taurine thing. Believe me, I would dearly love to step in and not only feed the farmer's cats, but try and doctor them to a certain extent too, and especially spay and neuter. There are no subsidized programs around here. But there is just no way I could ever broach the subject with this farmer. Besides, I am managing all this
Re: Prednisone - Thank You
The cat with the ear tumor would be MUCH better off long-term by having the ear removed than by being on pred long-term. There is a very involved, but effective total ear abalation surgery that removes the entire ear canal, including the inner and outer ear, and usually leaves a normal looking ear flap, but if the tumor involves the flap, you could take that as well. If it's only on the flap, of course, that's VERY easy to remove. I have not heard of Pred being used for seizures, but I could be wrong there. The extreme nasal discharge you are describing sounds like it began as a Herpes outbreak, or possibly Calici, and has since turned into a bacterial nasal infection in some of your cats. I would advise stronger or different antibiotics if you are not seeing improvement within 1 week of starting your current antibiotics. Another thing worth trying is testing the mucous for fungal infection, which often is something that is overlooked unless the owner specifically requests it be checked for. Here is a lab service that can test for most URI issues: http://www.zoologix.com/dogcat/Datasheets/FelineRespiratoryPanel.htm But, I would consider also doing a fungal test, at least for the most common nasal fungal infection, Cryptococcosis, as it is a serious issue if left untreated (the fungus can eat out the bones in the face if left to fester - it can also lead to some of the other symptoms you mentioned in your other cats, like blindness, and seizures - it's all around a NASTY thing that should be seriously considered if antibiotics do not help). http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2003PID=6653O=Generic Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
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Bless you Teresa, for being you:) Prednisone can be very effective with helping a number of things, you simply have to be aware of its effect on the immune system with long term use and weigh the benefits. With my Ninja, it controlled her seizures (believed to be caused by a meningioma) quite well for about 3 months when we had to add phenobarbital to the mix. She was seizure-free for her last 2 months:) Your crew is very lucky to have you as a caretaker. I've spoken about this with other list members (and my therapist) about how there seems to be an inverse relationship between wealth and compassion. There are always exceptions to any rule, but I have run into this one an awful lot since I've been on the fringes of rescue and involved with this list. Keep being who you are and doing what you do; you ARE making a difference. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message From: Teresa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 5:48:39 AM Subject: Prednisone - Thank You What a gratifying thing to get such caring and educational replies from you folks about my Timmy. I guess we get so used to bearing the burden on our own shoulders that we forget there are kindred souls out there doing the same thing. Well I am familiar with pred and its evils, I am unfortunately on it because of rheumatoid arthritis for which I refuse to take the going drugs, which are linked to lymphoma and blindness, both of which my father had, so my risk is increased right there. But I sure need SOMETHING. Plus, I have osteoporosis so I definitely should not take pred. So I take Miacalcin for that. The options are not very attractive in this business of getting old and sick! As for my vet, he did say something to the effect that pred can be and is used in felv cats to suppress some of the symptoms and assist in managing it, not that it impacts the disease and of course with the understanding of its undermining the immune system. My previous vets before I moved also used pred for various things and actually, I do, too, with my large population of all sorts of not only conditions but personalities. I will use it briefly for a cat who is so miserable it won't eat, can't smell food, can't breathe because of nasal discharge, etc. Usually it will get them eating pronto and get them over that hump without force feeding. I started this with the previous vets who would spike their initial shot of antibiotics in the office, for such things as severe URI's and urinary problems. It can get them peeing without being catheterized quite frequently. So this is the type of usage I use it for. I also have a cat who is pretty blind, who has seizures and I give it to him during spells when he's having more seizures. I have a couple cats who have severe stomatitis that nothing has worked for, so I use steroids for them to try to manage it. I know it sounds like I use it a lot but it's really not that much per cat and it's only after I and the vet have tried other things first. I try to keep it to surge type treatments and wean them off it asap. But I find it very valuable for sick cats. We have also used it for various cancers we have dealt with. Right now I have one who has a very ugly, nasty, runny tumor in his ear that has been removed once but came right back, and I don't think he could survive without his steroids, that thing gets out of control without them. We are looking for a specialist to operate again. The tumor is benign. In Timmy's current situation, he just got the upper respiratory that is still going around my brood but actually, he's been snotty in the nose since I got him some months ago, but it wasn't severe. I treated with clavamox at first and that was good except for the couple deep bites and all the scratches I got giving it to him, but it came right back and since it didn't seem to be bothering him and he wasn't sneezing it around, he was eating and acting very well, I figured I'd save the antibiotics for down the road when I figured we'd need them more. Actually I treated a couple times, once with baytril., but no steroids till this time. This time he got real sick with it as did my negatives who got it, some did die very quickly from it. We don't know what it is except it's viral. I've had a horrible winter with it, the worst of my life as far as sick cats. It's been a nightmare. But Timmy stopped eating suddenly and nothing tempted him, I tried all my tricks, salmon, etc etc, I have a cupboardfull. I got him on baytril immediately and then some dex and did get an immediate response from that in the eating department and he's been eating well ever since. He's been on it several days and today I am going to look very closely at starting
Re: need advice from new member - Thank you
Hurray! Thank you for reminding me once again how the rewards of being a member of this list outweigh all the heartache we endure. It's filled with people just like the two of you. People that put their intuition and heart before the advice of others that don't know any better, or have found themselves in circumstances that they feel force them to make such drastic and final choices. One loving guardian at a time, one educated vet at a time, we are making a difference in our world. Much love, happiness and health to you and your households, Nina Sheryl Spagg wrote: Hi Deana, Like you, I am new to this as well. My friend and I rescued a momma kitty with 6 kittens and a 6 month old boy. The boy turned up negative but the momma turned up positive. We were told by other rescuers to have all of them PTS, but my friend and I just couldn't do it. We didn't feel like we knew enough about this disease to take happy healthy kittens and have them PTS. I am so glad I didn't do it because now that I know more there is a huge chance these kittens can have great lives...their momma has no symptoms at all so who knows if for one the test was right or if the babies will even get it. We have actually already found homes for the boy and one of the babies in the same home and the family has decided to give the FeLV vaccine to their negative kitties...these cats can and will have a better chance at life because we chose not to PTS...keep up the good work with the kittens...it is so worth it. Sheryl --- Deana K. Wagoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new to the list and need some advice. We have a number of ferals in our neighborhood and there has been an effort to trap/spay-neuter as many as possible. I have been successful in turning two of them into great house cats. One was negative and vaccinated at 6 months of age. She is about 12 months now. The other kitty is several years old and was spayed, but as far as I know she wasnâEUR^(TM)t tested. She lived on my patio for a year then decided to be a house cat. I havenâEUR^(TM)t had her tested yet, but she is very healthy. I suspect she is a cat that ran off/got lost or was dumped. She is a Rag Doll and really doesnâEUR^(TM)t act like a true feral. Another feral in the neighborhood had a little late last summer. Before I could capture these guys, one of the females got pregnant and delivered the litter of kittens on my patio. When the kittens were a day old, a neighborâEUR^(TM)s dog attacked the stray mother and got one of the kittens. The mother cat went up a tree, then took off. I tried to follow her, with no luck. I watched the kittens for about four hours, and she never returned. We got some kmr and feed the 4 remaining kittens, continuing to watch for her to return. She returned in the middle of the night on Sunday night in a rain storm, obviously in bad shape. I just happened to look out when I was up in the middle of the night bottle feeding the kittens. I took her to the vet as soon they opened yesterday morning, but she died from the injuries. The vet suggested testing her for FeLV. (with the comment that if the cat was positive, you wouldnâEUR^(TM)t want to treat her any way.) The vet reported there was a negative test, then a second test was positive. The vet then suggested that all of the kittens be PTS immediately with the chance that they were positive. I havenâEUR^(TM)t had cats much for the last 20 years, although I grew up with cats- all before FeLV was identified âEUR so I am not familiar with it. Based on what I am reading, there are LOTS of questions about test results/vaccinating/etc. We are bottle feeding the kittens and they are growing like crazy, crawling all over the place and donâEUR^(TM)t appear at all sick. They were only with their mother just under 24 hours. (born last Thursday.) Is this common to just give up on the babies without knowing if they are positive or not? I would appreciate any advice. Thanks Deana __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: need advice from new member - Thank you
Thanks Nina. I actually called my vet and talked to my favorite vet tech and not once did she mention PTS. She explained to me about the disease and told me about a kitten she had that was positive and she had to find a home for but other than that there was NO talk of PTS. Any vet that tells people that has certainly not done their research...I am not a vet by any means, but there is no way I would put a cat/kittens to sleep because they have a 30% chance of getting sick...that is unreasonable in my eyes...I already have 4 cats of my own and of them 3 have issues (Diabetes Seizures) so you never know if a cat is going to get sick or not...or a dog for that matter...it is life and you deal with it...you certainly don't give up! Sheryl --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hurray! Thank you for reminding me once again how the rewards of being a member of this list outweigh all the heartache we endure. It's filled with people just like the two of you. People that put their intuition and heart before the advice of others that don't know any better, or have found themselves in circumstances that they feel force them to make such drastic and final choices. One loving guardian at a time, one educated vet at a time, we are making a difference in our world. Much love, happiness and health to you and your households, Nina Sheryl Spagg wrote: Hi Deana, Like you, I am new to this as well. My friend and I rescued a momma kitty with 6 kittens and a 6 month old boy. The boy turned up negative but the momma turned up positive. We were told by other rescuers to have all of them PTS, but my friend and I just couldn't do it. We didn't feel like we knew enough about this disease to take happy healthy kittens and have them PTS. I am so glad I didn't do it because now that I know more there is a huge chance these kittens can have great lives...their momma has no symptoms at all so who knows if for one the test was right or if the babies will even get it. We have actually already found homes for the boy and one of the babies in the same home and the family has decided to give the FeLV vaccine to their negative kitties...these cats can and will have a better chance at life because we chose not to PTS...keep up the good work with the kittens...it is so worth it. Sheryl --- Deana K. Wagoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new to the list and need some advice. We have a number of ferals in our neighborhood and there has been an effort to trap/spay-neuter as many as possible. I have been successful in turning two of them into great house cats. One was negative and vaccinated at 6 months of age. She is about 12 months now. The other kitty is several years old and was spayed, but as far as I know she wasnâEUR^(TM)t tested. She lived on my patio for a year then decided to be a house cat. I havenâEUR^(TM)t had her tested yet, but she is very healthy. I suspect she is a cat that ran off/got lost or was dumped. She is a Rag Doll and really doesnâEUR^(TM)t act like a true feral. Another feral in the neighborhood had a little late last summer. Before I could capture these guys, one of the females got pregnant and delivered the litter of kittens on my patio. When the kittens were a day old, a neighborâEUR^(TM)s dog attacked the stray mother and got one of the kittens. The mother cat went up a tree, then took off. I tried to follow her, with no luck. I watched the kittens for about four hours, and she never returned. We got some kmr and feed the 4 remaining kittens, continuing to watch for her to return. She returned in the middle of the night on Sunday night in a rain storm, obviously in bad shape. I just happened to look out when I was up in the middle of the night bottle feeding the kittens. I took her to the vet as soon they opened yesterday morning, but she died from the injuries. The vet suggested testing her for FeLV. (with the comment that if the cat was positive, you wouldnâEUR^(TM)t want to treat her any way.) The vet reported there was a negative test, then a second test was positive. The vet then suggested that all of the kittens be PTS immediately with the chance that they were positive. I havenâEUR^(TM)t had cats much for the last 20 years, although I grew up with cats- all before FeLV was identified âEUR so I am not familiar with it. Based on what I am reading, there are LOTS of questions about test results/vaccinating/etc. We are bottle feeding the kittens and they are growing like crazy, crawling all over the place and donâEUR^(TM)t appear at all sick. They were only with their mother just under 24 hours. (born last Thursday.) Is this common to just give up on the babies without knowing if they are positive or not? I would appreciate any advice
Re: need advice from new member - Thank you
and the real thing that people keep forgetting is that there are no guarantees for the kitties who DON'T have FeLV! your $2,500 showcat can fall over permanently from HCM, anyone can throw a blood clot, etc. same with people--if we stop loving other living things because they're gonna get sick and die, well, think about it MC On 5/9/07, Sheryl Spagg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Nina. I actually called my vet and talked to my favorite vet tech and not once did she mention PTS. She explained to me about the disease and told me about a kitten she had that was positive and she had to find a home for but other than that there was NO talk of PTS. Any vet that tells people that has certainly not done their research...I am not a vet by any means, but there is no way I would put a cat/kittens to sleep because they have a 30% chance of getting sick...that is unreasonable in my eyes...I already have 4 cats of my own and of them 3 have issues (Diabetes Seizures) so you never know if a cat is going to get sick or not...or a dog for that matter...it is life and you deal with it...you certainly don't give up! Sheryl --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hurray! Thank you for reminding me once again how the rewards of being a member of this list outweigh all the heartache we endure. It's filled with people just like the two of you. People that put their intuition and heart before the advice of others that don't know any better, or have found themselves in circumstances that they feel force them to make such drastic and final choices. One loving guardian at a time, one educated vet at a time, we are making a difference in our world. Much love, happiness and health to you and your households, Nina Sheryl Spagg wrote: Hi Deana, Like you, I am new to this as well. My friend and I rescued a momma kitty with 6 kittens and a 6 month old boy. The boy turned up negative but the momma turned up positive. We were told by other rescuers to have all of them PTS, but my friend and I just couldn't do it. We didn't feel like we knew enough about this disease to take happy healthy kittens and have them PTS. I am so glad I didn't do it because now that I know more there is a huge chance these kittens can have great lives...their momma has no symptoms at all so who knows if for one the test was right or if the babies will even get it. We have actually already found homes for the boy and one of the babies in the same home and the family has decided to give the FeLV vaccine to their negative kitties...these cats can and will have a better chance at life because we chose not to PTS...keep up the good work with the kittens...it is so worth it. Sheryl --- Deana K. Wagoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new to the list and need some advice. We have a number of ferals in our neighborhood and there has been an effort to trap/spay-neuter as many as possible. I have been successful in turning two of them into great house cats. One was negative and vaccinated at 6 months of age. She is about 12 months now. The other kitty is several years old and was spayed, but as far as I know she wasnâEUR^(TM)t tested. She lived on my patio for a year then decided to be a house cat. I havenâEUR^(TM)t had her tested yet, but she is very healthy. I suspect she is a cat that ran off/got lost or was dumped. She is a Rag Doll and really doesnâEUR^(TM)t act like a true feral. Another feral in the neighborhood had a little late last summer. Before I could capture these guys, one of the females got pregnant and delivered the litter of kittens on my patio. When the kittens were a day old, a neighborâEUR^(TM)s dog attacked the stray mother and got one of the kittens. The mother cat went up a tree, then took off. I tried to follow her, with no luck. I watched the kittens for about four hours, and she never returned. We got some kmr and feed the 4 remaining kittens, continuing to watch for her to return. She returned in the middle of the night on Sunday night in a rain storm, obviously in bad shape. I just happened to look out when I was up in the middle of the night bottle feeding the kittens. I took her to the vet as soon they opened yesterday morning, but she died from the injuries. The vet suggested testing her for FeLV. (with the comment that if the cat was positive, you wouldnâEUR^(TM)t want to treat her any way.) The vet reported there was a negative test, then a second test was positive. The vet then suggested that all of the kittens be PTS immediately with the chance that they were positive. I havenâEUR^(TM)t had cats much for the last 20 years, although I grew up with cats- all before FeLV was identified âEUR so I am not familiar with it. Based on what I am reading, there are LOTS of questions about test results/vaccinating/etc
Re: need advice from new member - Thank you
Yep, there's a 'bus' with your name on it out there somewhere. Now that is guaranteed. N MaryChristine wrote: and the real thing that people keep forgetting is that there are no guarantees for the kitties who DON'T have FeLV! your $2,500 showcat can fall over permanently from HCM, anyone can throw a blood clot, etc. same with people--if we stop loving other living things because they're gonna get sick and die, well, think about it MC On 5/9/07, *Sheryl Spagg* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Nina. I actually called my vet and talked to my favorite vet tech and not once did she mention PTS. She explained to me about the disease and told me about a kitten she had that was positive and she had to find a home for but other than that there was NO talk of PTS. Any vet that tells people that has certainly not done their research...I am not a vet by any means, but there is no way I would put a cat/kittens to sleep because they have a 30% chance of getting sick...that is unreasonable in my eyes...I already have 4 cats of my own and of them 3 have issues (Diabetes Seizures) so you never know if a cat is going to get sick or not...or a dog for that matter...it is life and you deal with it...you certainly don't give up! Sheryl
