Hi Ken,
With the ut most respect here let me say that I personally never
intended to be disrespectful to you, Geremy, or Jim over the issue of
what programming language you use. However, I can't help but feel
that if you would head over to Book Share and grab a couple books on
Visual Basic .Net
Hi Jacob,
Would it be to much to ask for a non-Windows specific version of this
engine? All you probably need to do is recompile it to pyc files and
redistribute those unless you are using some Windows specific modules
in your engine.
The reason I am asking is Python is very cross--platform and
Only current (possible) windows specific things might be a couple of small
windows operating system commands have put in for things like cls (clear
screen), and maybe one or two pause commands - as in press any key, but think
replaced most of those with a python specific one.
Anyway, wasn't
Hi Dark,
Dark wrote:
I think so long as there are some! games around, and so long as all
game developer is stil done by indi devs with their own time and
money, pushing multiple accessible too much would hurt everyone in
the long run.
My reply:
Agreed. Its really impossible to create a game
Hi Jeremy.
While I can see you feel very strongly about this, my question was not
meant as an attack. Instead I think we as a community should come up
with a solution. I just read an article where some companies project
that at least 40% of all netbooks will have arm processors at the end
of next
Hellow,
I've just tested the .exe file on my computer and it runs fine on this
windows7 64 bit machine.
Hope that helps,
Harmony.
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Sent: 08 June 2011 21:29
To: Gamers
Ok, here's a link to the zip file containing all the .pyc files, along with
those text data files, and I now included what's meant to be a cross platform
module that can clear screen, and beep, called clsbeep, so there shouldn't be
any windows specific requirements in here as such:
Hi Jim,
I honestly can't see any way to make a live action game like MOTA
playable by a totally deaf-blind gamer. At least not if we are going
to do everything in real time. A person has to have a reasonable
amountof hearing to play it.
As for using text in Windows games it can be done, but
Thanks, Harmony, and, yes, while the primary development machine for this thing
has been a windows7 32 bit machine, my other primary machine is also a windows7
64 bit machine, but it does also have all the other MS dev tools on it, so
wasn't too sure about it running on other machines easily
Hi Jacob,
That works for me. If we run into issues, and I had the py files I
could probably debug the linux support and send the revisions back to
you as needed. Not sure what version of Python you are running, but I
got Python 2.7 here. It might be helpful to know what version of
Python you are
Hi Jacob,
Well, I just downloaded and tested it. You will be happy to know your
cross-platform version works fine on linux. I tested it with both
Speakup and Orca on Ubuntu 11.04 and no access issues at all. Thanks
for writing this. I think you got a head start on a decent RPG engine
here.
On
Will send you the source files as well, and, am running Python 2.7 (r27:82525,
Jul 4 2010, 09:01:59) at the moment.
Also just made one small corrective change to both the compiled for windows and
pyc versions that uploaded to my website, since my brother found one small bug
- he attacked the
Glad to hear it, and thanks for saying that, since while I am primarily using
it as practice, I also like the whole idea of a platform independent engine
like this that doesn't take too much to be used.
Thanks again.
Stay well
Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
'...fate had broken his
Hi Dark,
Yeah, I do still wish that putting text on the screen in Windows would read
automatically with all screen readers like it would in dos, but otherwise I
agree with you that sapi5 works well.
I do also wish that I could have pretty graphics in my games so that sighted
people would
Hi Ken and Jeremy,
Yeah, I still do not know what the big deal is about us programming our games
in VB6. I mean installing my winkit.zip file is minuscule and simple to do as
compared to needing to install the 300 meg latest net frame work and the very
latest DirectX. But hey I have been
Hi Jeremy,
True, but people could just as easily argue the point that you aren't
even properly supporting the technology that exists here and now let
alone what comes next. I'm not out to change your mind, but simply
state my position on this issue which is simply this.
The current Windows
Hi Willem,
Yes, I've read something similar to that. We are definitely in a
transitional period from the 32-bit world of the Pentium processor to
things like the AMD64 as well as the arm processors expected to ship
in the next gen netbooks. I don't want it to sound like an attack, but
Jeremy and
Hi Shaun,
Ah...Excuse me for pointing out that the user interface is only a
small part of what has changed in Windows Vista/Windows 7. On the
contrary many of the APIs have been replaced or vastly updated giving
something like Windows 7 quite a lot of changes under the hood from
Windows XP.
For
Hi Jim,
Smile. I can answer that question with a question of my own. The
problem is simply this. Its true that your games can be played on
Windows XP, Vista, and Windows 7 currently by installing your Winkit
setup. That's all well and good. Question is, when some of these newer
technologies are
Hi Jim,
Well, there is a way to get screen readers to read the text in a
Window when it changes and it is to set the screen reader to speak all
or say all when launching the game/application. Its certainly a hack,
not perfect, but I've used that plenty of times to use something like
Winfrotz to
Hi Jacob,
That works for me. I'm running the latest Python 2.7 build for Linux,
and as I said earlier everything seems to be working decently on my
end. I didn't try attacking Peter, but glad you found that bug so
quickly.
On 6/9/11, Jacob Kruger jac...@mailzone.co.za wrote:
Will send you the
I don't think your speculating, because if you get a computer now it
will have a 64bit op. That is what all the screen readers are moving towards.
If those that know VB6 would of just looked or tried one of the
.nets. They would see how some of coding is easier and how some is
not, but at least
i do see where you come from Jim, but its a lost cause and here is
why. I got one game that I liked called PZ98. Now that was a very
nice game to play and have spent hours and even days at that tank.
I had a problem with getting it running and Phil and Kelley took the
time to get mine working.
Jim has put out a lot of free fun for blind gamers as a hobby over the years,
and I think we should appreciatively let him continue his endeavours as he sees
fit. if a game doesn't work on your system, don't get it.
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Hi Jim,
Smile. I can
Hi,
That's exactly the issue in a nutshell. Its not that I or anyone else
has any particular issue with VB 6 and/or the developers that use it,
other than the fact that some day every single program written in that
language will stop working and the developer is going to have to deal
with that
Amen to charles on that one.
also, keep in mind you can still play DOS stuff on win 7 if I'm not
badly mistaken.
I remember playing Zork on xp a few years ago, as long as there is a
demand for emulators out there, we could be playing Jim's life right up
until the end of ours.
On the OS
Hi Charles,
The problem with that approach is that the system won't last forever.
The older the PC the harder it is to get parts for it if it breaks
down, and I've seen enough PCs die over my lifetime to know it is
often more expensive to fix it than it is to throw it away and buy a
new
The problem with old pcs are that they break sooner or later. I am currently
studying and there is simply no space for two computers in my room
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Date:
Nice. I'm also starting to make a very basic text adventure thing, so let me
know if you need any help.
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Che, androyd is linux.
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From: Che blindadrenal...@gmail.com
Date: 09/06/2011 4:22 pm
Amen to charles on that one.
also, keep in mind you can still play DOS stuff on win 7 if I'm not
badly mistaken.
Hi Charles and all,
the issue has nothing to do with appreciation. I certainly appreciate
all the work Jim does, and like several of his games. Its actually the
fact because I appreciate those games I want to see them improved and
made to meet current development standards and practices. Saying
That is what happened to many dos games. People simply stopped playing them
because it was too hard to run them. There is always emulation, but to mention
an example, running a game like shades of doom under wine is a no go, because
the game crashes when you open a door.
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Hi Tom,
It's all just a matter of personal preference, in my opinion. Computers
aren't half as fun without any games. To be honest I'm not a big Windows fan
myself, but it's what I'm used to and have been brought up with. After
playing with a copy of Vinux and a friend's Mac I came to the
Hi Che,
I don't know if you are aware of this but Android is actually a Linux
varient. So when you say us Linux users are dreamers, doesn't have
mass apeal, and then announce that we all could be using Android in a
few years you are defeating your own argument since Android is a
mobile version of
Hi Willem,
Yeah, unfortunately you are right. Using emulators work to a point,
but they always have problems too. The issue with Shades of Doom
crashing on wine is a prime example. I've seen similar issues with
other accessible games under wine and its certainly frustrating.
And the issue isn't
Hi Damien,
You are right. What all of this does come down to is personal
preference. Which is always what is the real issue behind the
arguments being made here on list. My preferences obviously aren't
the same as Jim, Jeremy, etc and my reasons for not using VB 6 are
more valid taken in my
Cool.
You could already try out editing the mapData.txt, mapDataObjects.txt and
mapDataNPC.txt files if you want to just play around with my thing..?
Stay well
Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
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From:
Well it seems that while I've been sleeping, this argument over programming
languages has flared up once again. It seems like this happens at some point
each month, and that is exactly why some of my fellow VB6 users view it as
attacks rather than suggestions. In other aspects of life,
Hi Jeremy.
You completely missed my point. As an end user, I don't care if you
use smoke signals to code your games, as long as I can run them on a
normal pc. Up to now it has usually been possible, all be it with a
little effort in some cases.
I really like all your games. I spent hours on lunar
Hi all,
Are there any core exiles players on here that use the irc channel for ce
chat? If so then can someone please help me to connect to ce chat using
miranda? I can't seem to get it to work at all.
Many thanks in advance.
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Hi Jeremy,
Very well written man, one of the best emails i've seen on here in a
long time.
I agree that everyone is entitled to their opinions and all that, but
what bugs me about the preaching from on high attitude regarding
programming languages is the attacks on other languages and
Very good post, Willem. As you said, the problem with VB6 isn't that
it's a bad programming language. The problem is that people can't
play the games.
It doesn't matter that VB6 is a great platform. It doesn't matter
that developers have dev tools and big libraries and tons of
experience with
Hey everyone,
As previously mentioned, I have modified the old games to state they are
abandonware and have therefore offered them for temporary download using
Dropbox. They will be up until Monday 13th June, so anyone who wants to host
them on a more permanent site may download them during
I understand that the issue is about users being able to play the game. For
many years, since Microsoft first stopped supporting VB6, people have been
saying that any day no one will be able to use software written with it.
Obviously with each passing year this gets closer to the truth, but
Hi everyone,
I know these games are no longer supported, but I wanted to see if anyone has
any idea on how to fix this error.
I reinstalled the new version of Self Destruct with the Key Gen in the start
menu, and I keep getting this error when I click on it:
Error
There was an error with your
Hey Ryan,
This is one of those issues that have been reported to me in the
documentation. As I said, I believe in the docs and on list, I don't have
the reg system nor key generation code and therefore was unable to fix it.
In fact, due to the fact that Jason obviously deliberately failed to
Are there games that are designed to be played using DOS that absolutely
cannot be played on most systems? How long ago was it said that DOS would
be no more? How about a paperless society with the advent of being able to
send files to one another? We now use more paper than ever before.
I might get some geeky answers to this, and I might not. Anyway, this whole
issue about what programming language should or should not be used, and why
or why not, is interesting to me, but might not be to others. What it boils
down to, to me, is this: A program, or in this case a computer
Hi Charles and Jeremy.
Charles, on the new windows 7 machines, some dos programs stop working
or have random errors. This is because the machine's architecture
have changed too much to run them like a normal program. A dos mode is
emulated by the machine, which doesn't always give the expected
Hi jeremy,
Agree. If you focussed on keeping up with the so call best programming
language, you will end up writing and rewriting mission 1 and will never
move on. Your news update on Lunimals will not be new missions available. it
would be what programming language you changed to for whatever
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