Matthew Byng-Maddick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Simon Cozens wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:05:43PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
> > > If I see a sensible plan for certification, this sounds sensible, but
> > > consider what most people think of eg. MCSEs.
> >
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 11:50:57AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> But things like Avantgo - which are getting more and more users all the
> time - have pretty much the same capabilities as a text-only browser.
>From a display point of view, yes, but they certainly have the
capability to run a JVM
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 09:13:16PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> yip and you build in, a little 10 or 20 quid donation to YAS for
> everyone done, however this would probably be voluntary or some
> such - i dont really know. but if you are doing a training course
> that cost 500+ to attend, 10 or
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 01:03:14AM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:56:37PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
> > Try doing Java in Lynx. Or Mosaic. Is there even a plugin for Netscape <
> > 3.0?
>
> Lynx & Mosaic practically don't exist, demographically speaking.
Bzzzt! Lynx
* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:33:59AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > * Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > Have you thought about charging structures, SAP charge about 300gbp to take
> > > a certification exam, and they offer courses that are s
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 01:03:14AM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:56:37PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
> > Try doing Java in Lynx. Or Mosaic. Is there even a plugin for Netscape <
> > 3.0?
>
> Lynx & Mosaic practically don't exist, demographically speaking.
But things l
Robin Szemeti wrote:
> IMHO to be of any use certification needs to be HUGE .. eg we need
> O'Reilly AND Manning behind it or it simply won't fly. We could write a
> very comprehensive set of tests and assesment levels, do all that.>
The theory driving test in this country was doen by getting
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:56:37PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
> Try doing Java in Lynx. Or Mosaic. Is there even a plugin for Netscape <
> 3.0?
Lynx & Mosaic practically don't exist, demographically speaking.
> I'd say that's marketing and not something built-in. You want client-side
> Perl, yo
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 11:36:27AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
> I'm sure I don't agree with you. If your solution isn't ready (and
> tested and all that stuff) at the last minute and no earlier then you
> should be using the spare time generated to make the solution better,
> right up until the la
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 08:00:46PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Tony Bowden wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:07:01PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote:
> > > >4.46 Nick Cleaton
> > > >4.46 Maurice Buxton
> > > Coo, I'm on 4.46 as well.
> >
> > Me four.
> >
> > Although
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:30:26AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> ok, but i wouldn't worry about b. anytime soon, you have to remember
> Larry has said, he'd rather be certified than see perl certification
> (or something similar)
Bzzt. That was to do with ANSI certification.
--
"You can have m
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:33:59AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> * Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Have you thought about charging structures, SAP charge about 300gbp to take
> > a certification exam, and they offer courses that are specifically designed
>
> i had thought about a 20
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Tony Bowden wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:07:01PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote:
> > >4.46 Nick Cleaton
> > >4.46 Maurice Buxton
> > Coo, I'm on 4.46 as well.
>
> Me four.
>
> Although they seem to have lost my score.
>
> I have a nice shiny certificate though ...
>
N
At 04:42 AM 29.3.2001 -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
>> O'Reilly wil like it cos they get to sell 'Perl For PCSE(stage 1)'
>> etc ..
>
>Ooh. I think you've just given me an idea for my next book :)
"Gary Numan's guide to the PCSE"...
;)
--
Chris Devers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, you wrote:
>
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:19:15AM +0100, James Powell wrote:
>
> > And MySQL has got full-text indexing now - didn't notice that one
> >
> > http://www.mysql.com/news/article-54.html
> > "MySQL 3.23 now has full-text indexing and searching capabilities. This
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 11:32:57AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
> Robin Houston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > No partial failure allowed, it has to either succeed completely
> > or fail completely.
>
> Hmm... not quite sure what happens if either of the COMMITs fail. And
> I'd bemused as to how
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:30:26AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
>
> > ok, but i wouldn't worry about b. anytime soon, you have to remember
> > Larry has said, he'd rather be certified than see perl certification
> > (or something similar)
>
> It woul
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:30:26AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> ok, but i wouldn't worry about b. anytime soon, you have to remember
> Larry has said, he'd rather be certified than see perl certification
> (or something similar)
It would be nice to get his backing, but I think that to do that
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:19:15AM +0100, James Powell wrote:
> And MySQL has got full-text indexing now - didn't notice that one
>
> http://www.mysql.com/news/article-54.html
> "MySQL 3.23 now has full-text indexing and searching capabilities. This
> allows you to search your vast databases of
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:17:17 +0100 (BST), Mark Fowler wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
>
> > You're right, the referencing is a bit screwed up. I'll take a look at
> > it today.
Actually, that message was OK.
> Your webmail CC is screwed up too. On my mails there's now new line
At 09:55 29/03/01, Dave Cross wrote:
>At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:51:46 +0100 (BST), alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > i am a little unclear what the benefits of this exercise might be
> > without a brand or larger player backing it up. if we could hook up
> > with someone like learning tree (eg
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:07:01PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote:
> >4.46 Nick Cleaton
> >4.46 Maurice Buxton
> Coo, I'm on 4.46 as well.
Me four.
Although they seem to have lost my score.
I have a nice shiny certificate though ...
Tony
--
--
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:47:03PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> I'd advise getting some non-trainers involved as well, perhaps
> Blackstar and other Perl businesses? (their hook will be that
> they become partners and get logo placement in whatever pseudo
> forum/organisation does this)
Somehow
Philip Newton wrote:
>
> Greg Cope wrote:
> > I once read a report (18 months ago) where the same projects
> > where given to lots of programmers, the usualy results were
> > show i.e algorythm design was the most important factor,
> > although on the whole scripting langauges were faster to
> >
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 10:44:13PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 10:22:37PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
> > There _was_ a Perl certification mailing list that Skud started a while
> > back.
>
> Unless we're thinking of different things, wasn't that just perl-trainers?
I can
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Roger Burton West wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 05:44:04AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
>
> >4.46 Nick Cleaton
>
> Ought to be on here, ask Gellyfish...
>
He heh
Look what they say I got :
Total Tests Completed 41233
Your Rank (1 = top) 40653
Your Percentile (99 = top): 1
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 11:32:57AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
>
> Hmm... not quite sure what happens if either of the COMMITs fail.
That's exactly the problem. And what if you crash after the
first COMMIT?
This is not an easy problem. The usual solution is
called "two-phase commit". See
http://
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, you wrote:
> * Robin Szemeti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >
> > IMHO to be of any use certification needs to be HUGE .. eg we need
> > O'Reilly AND Manning behind it or it simply won't fly. We could write a
>
> i think this will end up a slow process
umm .. so long as y
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 05:44:04AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
>4.46 Nick Cleaton
Ought to be on here, ask Gellyfish...
>4.46 Maurice Buxton
Coo, I'm on 4.46 as well.
Roger
On 29/03/2001 at 11:56 +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
>Try doing Java in Lynx. Or Mosaic. Is there even a plugin for Netscape <
>3.0?
Netscape 2 had Java built in, around the turn of 95/96. HotJava was
also about but that (understandably) died around the same time. I
*think* IE3 also did Java, abou
Paul Makepeace wrote:
> Can you trivially embed a perl network application in a browser?
[snip]
> Java's favour is not *entirely* due to massive marketing pimpery.
Java support in browsers didn't magically come because Microsoft and
Netscape said "Hey, let's develop a Java plug-in for our browser
Greg Cope wrote:
> I once read a report (18 months ago) where the same projects
> where given to lots of programmers, the usualy results were
> show i.e algorythm design was the most important factor,
> although on the whole scripting langauges were faster to
> develope in, and had faster execuio
At 29 Mar 2001 11:43:59 +0100, Piers Cawley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > > >http://www.tekmetrics.com/ aka brainbench seems to still be going
> > >strong.
> >
> > And last time I looked, they claimed I was the best Perl programmer
> > in London. Don't
* alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> sorry, was unclear. robert proposed a meta-certification body which then
> gave the tests out to certifiers (netthink, iterative etc). this seems to
> me to be far too complicated and fragmented.
i think it was me that suggested this
>
> i think you need a
Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> At 21:24 28/03/2001, you wrote:
> >On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:58:36PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > > Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest
> > > problems with Perl work in london,
> >
> >Are employers there too stupid to re
Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> * Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > > * Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:47:03PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > > > > I suggest (with Dave Cros
Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> * Piers Cawley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >
> > Hmm... Given that big business seems to have bought some of the ideas
> > of 'Just In Time' stock holding and delivery type stuff, maybe the
> > time has come to start pushing Perl and open source prog
Greg Cope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Robin Szemeti wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, you wrote:
> > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:23:01PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I concur. There is simply too much of the important stuff missing from
> > > > Java to make it useable for we
Robin Houston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:08:00PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> > > Can Perl do distributed database transactions?
> >
> > probably .. simple multi threaded app, fork a few child processes,
> > establish
sorry, was unclear. robert proposed a meta-certification body which then
gave the tests out to certifiers (netthink, iterative etc). this seems to
me to be far too complicated and fragmented.
i think you need a single organisation which plays the difficult balancing
act of:
* being resp
> > Well as a fairly independent person in this matter, i will volunteer
> > to coordinate this. Unless there are any objections - i already
>
> TIMTOWTDI kind of screws things up. Different people will code in
> different styles. How can you evaluate this?
I don't think it's a huge problem. For
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
> You're right, the referencing is a bit screwed up. I'll take a look at
> it today.
Your webmail CC is screwed up too. On my mails there's now new line after
the Cc: so I get a line that says
Cc: X-Mailer: foo
which my mail client (PINE) wants to repl
At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:08:44 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:02:39 -0500 (EST), Dave Cross wrote:
> > At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:34:41 +0100, Simon Cozens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:02:48PM +0100,
what robert describes or what i describe?
* alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> you don't think having a single body with london.pm representation whose
> responsibilities would be exam delivery, assessment and certificaiton
> would be more efficient/effective than what you describe?
>
> alex
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:02:39 -0500 (EST), Dave Cross wrote:
> At Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:34:41 +0100, Simon Cozens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:02:48PM +0100, alex wrote:
> > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
But look at your head
you don't think having a single body with london.pm representation whose
responsibilities would be exam delivery, assessment and certificaiton
would be more efficient/effective than what you describe?
alex
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Robert Shiels wrote:
> > I think a lot of this will be about signin
> I think a lot of this will be about signing up to a charter or code
> of conduct. What we will need is an actual exam, i was thinking about
> this last night, and my thoughts were to write a web interface were
> certified certifiers could request 10 tests, by filling the names
> of the recipient
At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:07:41 +0100, Robin Szemeti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> O'Reilly wil like it cos they get to sell 'Perl For PCSE(stage 1)'
> etc ..
Ooh. I think you've just given me an idea for my next book :)
Dave...
* Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> Have you thought about charging structures, SAP charge about 300gbp to take
> a certification exam, and they offer courses that are specifically designed
i had thought about a 20 quid fee to be sent to YAS
> to help you pass, which culminate in tak
James Powell wrote:
>
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 09:59:35AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 08:56:36AM +0100, James Powell wrote:
> > > Course, mysql does support transactions now... I believe with two
> > > different types of table for some reason.
> >
> > It's because
* alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> that's not the point.
>
> if learning tree design a course (with the community's approval
> natch) that is of sufficient standard and then put on their catalogs:
>
> Advanced Perl (3 days) - 1750 GBP + VAT
>
> [preparation for PCSE exam] << with a n
* Robin Szemeti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> IMHO to be of any use certification needs to be HUGE .. eg we need
> O'Reilly AND Manning behind it or it simply won't fly. We could write a
i think this will end up a slow process
> very comprehensive set of tests and assesment levels, do all
* Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> >
> > The important thing from my POV is that its not learning tree
> > from day one, as they will simply want to say - taking learning
> > tree course Perl101 means people get core competency and it
> > wou
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, you wrote:
> i am a little unclear what the benefits of this exercise might be without
> a brand or larger player backing it up. if we could hook up with someone
> like learning tree (eg they can claim to deliver courses to "PCSE"
> standards) this might be a big winner.
>
>
From: "Greg McCarroll" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 28 March 2001 20:58
Subject: Re: Job: I'm looking for one..
> * Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:47:03PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > >
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:58:36PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
>
> > Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest
> > problems with Perl work in london,
>
> Are employers there too stupid to read CVs? Or too lazy?
I'm too lazy.
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 09:59:35AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 08:56:36AM +0100, James Powell wrote:
> > Course, mysql does support transactions now... I believe with two
> > different types of table for some reason.
>
> It's because the underlying table type is imple
* alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> (but if you're a perl shop
> you can pretty quickly determine how good people are anyway). so, i can't
> really see the point in this.
> i think the whole initiative should be more about making Perl be taken
> more seriously OUTSIDE the community.
its
that's not the point.
if learning tree design a course (with the community's approval
natch) that is of sufficient standard and then put on their catalogs:
Advanced Perl (3 days) - 1750 GBP + VAT
[preparation for PCSE exam] << with a nice logo >>
imagine the value of free publicity t
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
>
> The important thing from my POV is that its not learning tree
> from day one, as they will simply want to say - taking learning
> tree course Perl101 means people get core competency and it
> would become the usual noddy thing. Involving them later wh
* Dominic Mitchell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 03:55:57AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
> > At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:51:46 +0100 (BST), alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > ps2 PCSE - Perl Certified Software Engineer? lack of imagination?
> >
> > Shouldn't that be CPH for "Cert
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
> At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:51:46 +0100 (BST), alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > i am a little unclear what the benefits of this exercise might be
> > without a brand or larger player backing it up. if we could hook up
> > with someone like learning tree
depends what you want from the exercise - if you are a perl shop and want
to know how good applicants are then, yes, CPH (but if you're a perl shop
you can pretty quickly determine how good people are anyway). so, i can't
really see the point in this.
i think it should sound like a professiona
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 03:55:57AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
> At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:51:46 +0100 (BST), alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ps2 PCSE - Perl Certified Software Engineer? lack of imagination?
>
> Shouldn't that be CPH for "Certified Perl Hacker" or is that missing
> the point?
Cer
Robin Szemeti wrote:
>
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, you wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:10:00PM +0100, Aaron Trevena wrote:
> > > Plain and simply I don't think java is the right technology for
> > > e-commerce, plain and simple.
>
>
> no .. it _does_ have its strong points .. I wouldn't have e
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 08:56:36AM +0100, James Powell wrote:
> Course, mysql does support transactions now... I believe with two
> different types of table for some reason.
It's because the underlying table type is implemented using Berkeley
DB3, which does support transactions. And that has se
* alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> i am a little unclear what the benefits of this exercise might be without
> a brand or larger player backing it up. if we could hook up with someone
> like learning tree (eg they can claim to deliver courses to "PCSE"
> standards) this might be a big winner.
At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:51:46 +0100 (BST), alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> i am a little unclear what the benefits of this exercise might be
> without a brand or larger player backing it up. if we could hook up
> with someone like learning tree (eg they can claim to deliver courses
> to "PC
i am a little unclear what the benefits of this exercise might be without
a brand or larger player backing it up. if we could hook up with someone
like learning tree (eg they can claim to deliver courses to "PCSE"
standards) this might be a big winner.
alex
ps i only mention learning tree becau
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:08:00PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> is it? ... sure you don't mean 'the database used by most large
> corporates for e-commerce' ? I know nothing about the spread of spend
> between the large coprporations and the small 5 dollar outfits .. but
> theres a hell of a lot
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 08:30:41AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
> Robin Szemeti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >
> > well .. since in most web based uses of MySQL the 99% of queries are
> > simple 'select * from blah where something=something_else' .. the
> > speed is all you need .. every now an
Robin Szemeti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, you wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:26:38PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> >
> > > (my pseudo-transaction scheme for MySQL is basically : .. do this and
> > > return a closure to undo it if I to .. bung the closures in an
* Paul Makepeace ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:58:36PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest
> > problems with Perl work in london,
>
> Are employers there too stupid to read CVs? Or too lazy? Or is
> there so
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> At 21:57 28/03/2001, you wrote:
> >On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> >
> > > * Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > > > > * Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > > > > On
* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:57:45PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
> > Maybe I should start a mailing list for discussion of this stuff tomorrow
> > - thoughts ?
>
> Sounds a good idea. We're also happy to host it, if you want.
>
either is ok, although o
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, you wrote:
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:26:38PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
>
> > (my pseudo-transaction scheme for MySQL is basically : .. do this and
> > return a closure to undo it if I to .. bung the closures in an array ..
> > if something screws up then back it all o
At 10:49 PM 28.3.2001 +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
>On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 04:45:09PM -0500, Chris Devers wrote:
>> Heh -- they're one of my company's main competitors.
>> I don't know the first thing about them
>
>*cough*. Hey, that's not good, you know. :)
Well, yeah, I suppose. :)
I just keep
At 22:44 28/03/2001, you wrote:
>On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 10:22:37PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
> > There _was_ a Perl certification mailing list that Skud started a while
> > back.
>
>Unless we're thinking of different things, wasn't that just perl-trainers?
No. There was definitely a perlcert as w
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 04:45:09PM -0500, Chris Devers wrote:
> Heh -- they're one of my company's main competitors. I don't know the first
> thing about them
*cough*. Hey, that's not good, you know. :)
--
The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be
regarded as a cri
At 12:24 PM 28.3.2001 -0800, you wrote:
>http://www.tekmetrics.com/ aka brainbench seems to still be going
>strong.
Heh -- they're one of my company's main competitors. I don't know the first thing
about them (aside from the I think reasonable assumption that they must do roughly the
same thing
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 10:22:37PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
> There _was_ a Perl certification mailing list that Skud started a while
> back.
Unless we're thinking of different things, wasn't that just perl-trainers?
> Don't know if it still exists tho' - been quiet for a while.
Nothing on li
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 10:32:15PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> well I just looked ... and their script failed to find 'Perl' even though
> they have a test for Perl ...
I hope this isn't the programming language equivalent of dot-bomb
stock becoming unlisted as 'junk' on the NASDAQ...
"Perl dr
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 10:29:46PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> advantage over other databases - speed. But I wasn't allowed to upgrade
> to (eg) postgresql for silly reasons which I forget now.
Your PHBastard called in a $200k/month Oracle DBA and you walked after
the weekend to find your roo
At 22:19 28/03/2001, Dave Cross wrote:
>At 21:24 28/03/2001, Simon wrote:
>>On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:58:36PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
>> > Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest
>> > problems with Perl work in london,
>>
>>http://www.tekmetrics.com/ aka brainbench
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, you wrote:
> >http://www.tekmetrics.com/ aka brainbench seems to still be going
> >strong.
>
> And last time I looked, they claimed I was the best Perl programmer in
> London. Don't expect that to change soon either - as they've just started
> charging for tests.
well I j
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:26:38PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> (my pseudo-transaction scheme for MySQL is basically : .. do this and
> return a closure to undo it if I to .. bung the closures in an array ..
> if something screws up then back it all off by walking along the array
> and executing
At 21:57 28/03/2001, you wrote:
>On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
>
> > * Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > > > * Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:47:03PM +0100, Greg McCarroll
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 10:19:55PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
> London. Don't expect that to change soon either - as they've just started
> charging for tests.
Perhaps the Perl community should have an online certification program
that funnels cash into the Conway Coffers? :-)
No, wait, that migh
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:05:43PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
> If I see a sensible plan for certification, this sounds sensible, but
> consider what most people think of eg. MCSEs.
*We* may look down on the qualification, cos we know it's worthless just
like most other qualifications, a
At 21:24 28/03/2001, you wrote:
>On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:58:36PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest
> > problems with Perl work in london,
>
>Are employers there too stupid to read CVs? Or too lazy? Or is
>there some other benefit
At 20:47 28/03/2001, you wrote:
>* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > >
> > > Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest
> > > problems with Perl work in london, coming from the other side of
> > > things.
> >
> > Hmm. I wonder how we could go about fixing that.
>
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:57:45PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
> Maybe I should start a mailing list for discussion of this stuff tomorrow
> - thoughts ?
Sounds a good idea. We're also happy to host it, if you want.
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> * Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > > * Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:47:03PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > > > > I suggest (with Dave Cros
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Simon Cozens wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:05:43PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
> > If I see a sensible plan for certification, this sounds sensible, but
> > consider what most people think of eg. MCSEs.
> That's mainly due to the M rather than the C.
OK, well som
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:05:43PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
> If I see a sensible plan for certification, this sounds sensible, but
> consider what most people think of eg. MCSEs.
That's mainly due to the M rather than the C.
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, you wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:08:00PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> > > Can Perl do distributed database transactions?
> >
> > probably .. simple multi threaded app, fork a few child processes,
> > establish the odd DB
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> * Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > TIMTOWTDI kind of screws things up. Different people will code in
> > different styles. How can you evaluate this?
> it doesn't matter how they achieve most things, as long as they can
> do them ...
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:58:36PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest
> problems with Perl work in london,
Are employers there too stupid to read CVs? Or too lazy? Or is
there some other benefit certification bestows besides having yo
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:51:10PM +0100, Robin Houston wrote:
> I think that's what Paul was talking about. He can correct me
> if I'm wrong :-)
Exactly what I meant :-) And Java's a whole lot better for this than
COBOL, C, and other things that make you go "blech".
J2EE is horribly bloated but
* Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > * Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:47:03PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > > > I suggest (with Dave Cross' blessing), that we
> > > > form the London.pm certi
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