[MBZ] Trojan?....was: Syl-glide
Since the only Chinese email received by the list had your name as the sender to the list, I'm wondering if yours or someone elses computer could have been infected by a trojan that hijacked yours or someone elses address list. I know little about malware such as trojans, but this is my undertanding of the way they work. How else could something like this be posted to the list under your name unless (inadvertently) sent by you, or sent by malware in yours or someone elses computer? Gerry -- From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com Gerry, I received the email via the list, with a bunch of asian characters in the title. I figured it was a spam to the list. I replied with, we don't want any of your junk OEM parts or fuses I would not open any attachments, as I'm sure the original source is spam or some other junk. Apologizes in advance if replying to it has caused any further distribution of it, or trouble to the list. Anyone who receives it, bin it! Ed 300E On 20 December 2010 18:59, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Received an MBZ email from E M (Ed) that was followed by a series of characters and numbers. When I tried to open it, a field popped up saying: To display language characters correctly you need to install the following language pack. On the next line it said Chinese simplified. The line would not patch into this email and I didn't install the language pack. Malware? Gerry From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com Hi Larry, There has been quite a bit of traffic on the Benz list. If you don't start to receive posts soon, drop me a note, and I'll forward it to Kaleb and see if he can help. I average about 25 or so posts a day from the B list. Take care Larry, Ed 300E On 20 December 2010 17:38, l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Ed - Haven't had any new posts since this one on 12/17 - I know ya'll aren’t being THAT quiet. Kaleb -- Ever find a Drivers Door Lock actuator? Thx LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3327 - Release Date: 12/20/10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension rebuild - who's BTDT?
In my experience, as long as the size is reasonable for the detail needed, Kaleb will override the limit. For something like the catalog pages, there is no excuse to compress them till the text isn't readable, and most of us will gladdly deal with the extra inbox space requirements that a high quality set would need. More please for sure! Walt, who's enjoying a rather good rum ball. (Trick is to double the rum!) On Dec 21, 2010 12:04 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:33:35 -0700 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 22:37:00 -0500 Fred Moir fred.s...@verizon.net wrote: OK Don, et al. That's the one that I used on my 201s. Air hammer out and press in using a 1.5 black iron plumbing end cap, works good. I have a picture if you would like it. There was some complaint about its' size (over 1mb) so if you would like a copy I could send it direct. No need to send it direct; there is no complaint about 1 MB in size. That should read, No need to NOT send it direct ... There IS a complaint, however, with the apostrophe on its. See http://www.angryflower.com/aposter.html Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension rebuild - who's BTDT?
Whoops, got my threads mixed up, thought this was the AMG catalog one for a second... Walt, who blames it on the rum ball... On Dec 21, 2010 6:39 AM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: In my experience, as long as the size is reasonable for the detail needed, Kaleb will override the limit. For something like the catalog pages, there is no excuse to compress them till the text isn't readable, and most of us will gladdly deal with the extra inbox space requirements that a high quality set would need. More please for sure! Walt, who's enjoying a rather good rum ball. (Trick is to double the rum!) On Dec 21, 2010 12:04 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:33:35 -0700 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 22:37:00 -0500 Fred Moir fred.s...@verizon.net wrote: OK Don, et al. That's the one that I used on my 201s. Air hammer out and press in using a 1.5 black iron plumbing end cap, works good. I have a picture if you would like it. There was some complaint about its' size (over 1mb) so if you would like a copy I could send it direct. No need to send it direct; there is no complaint about 1 MB in size. That should read, No need to NOT send it direct ... There IS a complaint, however, with the apostrophe on its. See http://www.angryflower.com/aposter.html Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension rebuild - who's BTDT?
OK Don, I used that with a coupling to press out the LBJs on my '95 E300, and used Rusty's rental press to install the new ($35 to rent it, cost me ~$18 to ship it insured back to Rusty). I also have a couple of sets of 3/4 and 1/2 impact sockets from HF, one of which I used to help press out the joint (socket on the top of the joint, coupling on the bottom to hold the control arm). I will send you the coupling with the M0085, please send it back when you're done. Is January OK to ship? Need to send me your address. A colleague who has a machine shop at his home made this coupling for me. He had a piece of scrap that was almost exactly the right size diameter. He said the material is harder than woodpecker lips and I believe him. I also used a oxygen/Mapp gas torch to heat the control arm at the LBJ to about 500 degrees F (measured using my HF non-contact thermometer) which made the old joints come out very easily. I bought the torch for $55 at our local Tractor Supply store, which is a pretty cool chain similar to Fleet Farm or Farm Fleet. Our local Lowes sells the fuel tanks for it; I've found that I used about four O2 tanks for each Mapp tank. I've used the torch many times now - it really is a nice addition to the tool box! -Max From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 9:54:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension rebuild - who's BTDT? Is this the HF ball joint press tool that people are using? http://www.harborfreight.com/automotive-motorcycle/steering/3-in-1-ball-joint-u-joint-c-frame-press-service-kit-38335.html Other than the fittings, how is it different from a large c-clamp (6)? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar
I think your best shot is sending the note to Tom Hanson and asking him about such a demand list. I think that if you keep your continuing use of a Mercedes-Benz at a level of attention with MB (for instance, getting the high mileage badges, ordering parts at the dealer occasionally, maybe using the dealer service department once in a while or more often if inclined), they have a good idea of world-wide population for that model and can forecast parts demand so that they can decide when and how much of a part to put back into production. -Max From: David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 2:29:08 AM Subject: [MBZ] Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar The MB policy of actually supporting their classic community is brilliant, and I am willing to put my money (within reason) on it. As I posted before, I'm becoming impatient with aftermarket parts of questionable provenance and will pay a premium for OE quality. A couple of times now I've gone to order something for my W115 and have been told by the dealer that the part is NLA and we even checked with the Classic Centre. Two parts that come to mind are the rear seat pads and the speaker grill assembly (the one that always shrivels up) on later W114/5 dashboards. Demand for some items like seat pads must be increasing after being close to nil for many years. When I did the interior in my W115 I got what World Uplholstery said was their last set of rear pads, one of which was a NOS genuine part, the other had served as their fitting model when they were testing the covers. A friend is getting set to do his W115, and World confirmed that the pads are NLA. Same story from GAHH and Mercedes directly. A while ago I happened upon a note from Tom Hansen at the Classic Centre that the trim pieces for the R107 were once again available after being NLA for a while. So my question: if the part is NLA, but Mercedes-Benz is restarting production on certain items according to demand, how does one ensure that this demand is actually registered with the company. Is there a way of getting onto a list or something so that these parts become available? Or do I just send a note to Tom? D. PS: to the joy of W116 owners, it appears that those formerly NLA rear seat pads are once again available in the aftermarket (and a bargain!). Not sure how they'll hold up over time, but better than crumbling vestiges of the original... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trojan?....was: Syl-glide
No there was the original, and Ed's reply questioning it. I've already deleted both so I can't tell you who it was from. Allan Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com writes: Since the only Chinese email received by the list had your name as the sender to the list, I'm wondering if yours or someone elses computer could have been infected by a trojan that hijacked yours or someone elses address list. I know little about malware such as trojans, but this is my undertanding of the way they work. How else could something like this be posted to the list under your name unless (inadvertently) sent by you, or sent by malware in yours or someone elses computer? Gerry -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Source for fan motor brushes
The magic boxes at an Ace or True Value hardware store often contain a wide assortment of fractional HP motor brushes. I have been pretty successful in finding something there that is darned close. Dan --- On Mon, 12/20/10, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] OT Source for fan motor brushes To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 9:38 PM The fan motor in the 00 Dodge caravan has apparently worn down its brushes. Any idea where I might find brushes for such a thing? I need to take it apart, make the fix and get it back together within a day as we are short vehicles this time of year, and the 300D is down too. If there is a way to have them in hand before I start, it would be a great advantage. TIA ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension rebuild - who's BTDT?
That joint has to go in and out perfectly straight or it wont go at all or will be hard and will bend the press On 12/20/2010 11:01 PM, Fmiser wrote: OK Don wrote: Is this the HF ball joint press tool that people are using? http://www.harborfreight.com/automotive-motorcycle/steering/3-in-1-ball-joint-u-joint-c-frame-press-service-kit-38335.html Other than the fittings, how is it different from a large c-clamp (6)? It's the connection to the fittings that make the difference. Mine worked - once. I had to sledge-hammer it back into shape about 4 times during the pressing of one ball joint. The joint went in. I don't know that the C part is of any use. I have considered welding some _heavy_ side braces onto it... -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3327 - Release Date: 12/20/10 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension rebuild - who's BTDT?
I had one joint that didn't want to press in. Rather than springing the press, I put tension on it, maybe 50 ft-lb, then whacked the end of it with a 4 lb hammer, then tighten, whack etc. this way the press came out looking the same as it started. The other side went right in.(jus' like the book sez) OK Don wrote: Is this the HF ball joint press tool that people are using? http://www.harborfreight.com/automotive-motorcycle/steering/3-in-1-ball-joint-u-joint-c-frame-press-service-kit-38335.html Other than the fittings, how is it different from a large c-clamp (6)? It's the connection to the fittings that make the difference. Mine worked - once. I had to sledge-hammer it back into shape about 4 times during the pressing of one ball joint. The joint went in. I don't know that the C part is of any use. I have considered welding some _heavy_ side braces onto it... -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fun car?
No pics of the engine though. --R On 12/20/2010 11:15 PM, OK Don wrote: This is an interesting frankenbenz -- might be fun (until you need to work on it). http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/2123029972.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ?
I like the way the TD looks. Well all except the painted radiator grill. The reduction of chrome on the rest of the car looks nice though. Also like the air dam on the rear above the tailgate window. Don't know how the front airdam on the sunroof one would work. Seems to me that it might cause some noise with the wind burbling over it. Then again they have been around on a lot of cars for a few years. Manfred Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:28:48 -0500 From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] re:AMG photo attachment test ? shot of AMG catalog, 1 of 4 pages on W123. This I noticed is a larger pic, but maybe it will be compressed somehow when uploaded ? Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension rebuild - who's BTDT?
Yes, I thought as my last post went out, that I should have emphasized alignment. But I had one that was stubborn even with good alignment. It went in with persuasion from the LFH. So I caution against applying too much torque with the screw of the ball joint press. Once you bend the press, you can never get proper alignment. When I did the 126 ball joints a few weeks ago, one came out pretty easy and one fought a lot. Rusty's official press for the 126 was great! One slid right in and the other fought more but went in without problem. I highly recommend checking with Rusty about rental special tools when you order parts That joint has to go in and out perfectly straight or it wont go at all or will be hard and will bend the press On 12/20/2010 11:01 PM, Fmiser wrote: OK Don wrote: Is this the HF ball joint press tool that people are using? http://www.harborfreight.com/automotive-motorcycle/steering/3-in-1-ball-joint-u-joint-c-frame-press-service-kit-38335.html Other than the fittings, how is it different from a large c-clamp (6)? It's the connection to the fittings that make the difference. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: 124 rear suspension rebuild - who's BTDT?
I've found that I used about four O2 tanks for each Mapp tank. At some point you're probably going to wish you'd gotten the full-on smoke wrench. Lots of uses. Heating things quickly, welding, cutting... and you can even use a bright white flame to get rid of a hornet's nest in your trailer hitch. (They attack the flame, not the holder thereof.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ?
DIY? A can of flat black spray paint and you're good to go. All black trim does look kind of nice. Hmmm do I see a can of flat black spray paint in my future? Manfred Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:45:32 -0600 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ? That came thru fine. I want that black anodized grill surround for my W123 - has anyone seen that anywhere? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear
Kind of like leaving Limburger out to mellow? Manfred Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 18:11:45 -0500 From: Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear I've yet to see the aus or usa versions(what's cable tv?), but the usa one has been getting below steller reviews in every forum thread I've seen. Maybe it just needs time to mellow, and/or set? Walt, who will try to snag some episodes off the net tomorrow... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear
Youtube awaits your searches... The UTE challenge is pretty good, looks like they've changed up the cast in the more recent series. I'm watching: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpuk4KPbjEc and at least the first dude has some charisma and this episode is uniquely Australian which makes for more interesting TV. I guess it could be just me but I feel like the American public gets lousy TV thrust upon them but as we're a pretty insular nation (meaning we don't look outside our boundaries that much) loads of folks don't know about all the good TV coming from other places. I'll admit I stumbled onto Top Gear a couple years ago by accident but I knew about British TV, I grew up on Dr. Who... -Curt Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:18:52 -0600 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear Message-ID: aanlkti=4kc8mifs7sjf5k9eyq6djvqqoxb4pbk+g9...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 So, where is this Aussie version? I do remember seeing a youtube of a young woman auditioning for it, but haven't came across the finished product - Hendrick No cable here either -- it's OtA or Internet. On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: I've yet to see the aus or usa versions(what's cable tv?), but the usa one has been getting below steller reviews in every forum thread I've seen. Maybe it just needs time to mellow, and/or set? -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension rebuild - who's BTDT?
Yes - what Kaleb said, and it also applies to all the other bushings/joints. -Max From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 8:47:17 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension rebuild - who's BTDT? That joint has to go in and out perfectly straight or it wont go at all or will be hard and will bend the press On 12/20/2010 11:01 PM, Fmiser wrote: OK Don wrote: Is this the HF ball joint press tool that people are using? http://www.harborfreight.com/automotive-motorcycle/steering/3-in-1-ball-joint-u-joint-c-frame-press-service-kit-38335.html l Other than the fittings, how is it different from a large c-clamp (6)? It's the connection to the fittings that make the difference. Mine worked - once. I had to sledge-hammer it back into shape about 4 times during the pressing of one ball joint. The joint went in. I don't know that the C part is of any use. I have considered welding some _heavy_ side braces onto it... -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3327 - Release Date: 12/20/10 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension rebuild - who's BTDT?
Yes - another good method to use, both for removing and installing. Combined with heat and pressure applied straight/flush, the job isn't too bad at all. -Max From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 8:57:35 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension rebuild - who's BTDT? I had one joint that didn't want to press in. Rather than springing the press, I put tension on it, maybe 50 ft-lb, then whacked the end of it with a 4 lb hammer, then tighten, whack etc. this way the press came out looking the same as it started. The other side went right in.(jus' like the book sez) OK Don wrote: Is this the HF ball joint press tool that people are using? http://www.harborfreight.com/automotive-motorcycle/steering/3-in-1-ball-joint-u-joint-c-frame-press-service-kit-38335.html Other than the fittings, how is it different from a large c-clamp (6)? It's the connection to the fittings that make the difference. Mine worked - once. I had to sledge-hammer it back into shape about 4 times during the pressing of one ball joint. The joint went in. I don't know that the C part is of any use. I have considered welding some _heavy_ side braces onto it... -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: 124 rear suspension rebuild - who's BTDT?
Yes, I'm sure more economical in the long run, but what I've got is pretty much perfect for what I do now, and it is very compact - fits into a small canvas tool bag $7 from HF, and I can resupply both tanks at most hardware stores, as opposed to the big tanks which probably can only be filled/exchanged at a welding supply place, which around here is only open 8 to 5 on weekdays. -Max From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 9:37:28 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: 124 rear suspension rebuild - who's BTDT? I've found that I used about four O2 tanks for each Mapp tank. At some point you're probably going to wish you'd gotten the full-on smoke wrench. Lots of uses. Heating things quickly, welding, cutting... and you can even use a bright white flame to get rid of a hornet's nest in your trailer hitch. (They attack the flame, not the holder thereof.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear
MG wrote: Kind of like leaving Limburger out to mellow? I didn't think the one with the Viper and the three Lambos was that bad. Is the 'Famous dude drives a Suzuki' feature copied from UK? The Aston Martin feature on the next show seemed kind of pointless. Lots of ego, not much decent info on the car. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension rebuild - who's BTDT?
Craig. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 12/20/2010 11:33 PM, Craig wrote: On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 22:37:00 -0500 Fred Moirfred.s...@verizon.net wrote: OK Don, et al. That's the one that I used on my 201s. Air hammer out and press in using a 1.5 black iron plumbing end cap, works good. I have a picture if you would like it. There was some complaint about its' size (over 1mb) so if you would like a copy I could send it direct. No need to send it direct; there is no complaint about 1 MB in size. There IS a complaint, however, with the apostrophe on its. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trojan?....was: Syl-glide
Yeah, I replied to one that already made it to the list, as [MBZ] was in the title too. I do a full scan of my HD every second day or so, and I haven't been searching for chinese parts for the benz, I promise guys!! lol. I have the original in the trash, but never opened the hyperlink. I can cut and copy the title if anyone is interested ? Ed 300E On 21 December 2010 08:42, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: No there was the original, and Ed's reply questioning it. I've already deleted both so I can't tell you who it was from. Allan Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com writes: Since the only Chinese email received by the list had your name as the sender to the list, I'm wondering if yours or someone elses computer could have been infected by a trojan that hijacked yours or someone elses address list. I know little about malware such as trojans, but this is my undertanding of the way they work. How else could something like this be posted to the list under your name unless (inadvertently) sent by you, or sent by malware in yours or someone elses computer? Gerry -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ?
I wonder if something like powder coating might work too. Not expensive to do from what I understand, and quite durable. Ed 300E On 21 December 2010 09:38, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: DIY? A can of flat black spray paint and you're good to go. All black trim does look kind of nice. Hmmm do I see a can of flat black spray paint in my future? Manfred Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:45:32 -0600 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ? That came thru fine. I want that black anodized grill surround for my W123 - has anyone seen that anywhere? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar
Hi David, Max is right... the best thing to do it keep in contact with the classic center and Tom Hansen. They're quite dedicated to keeping the enthusiasts well supplied with what they need. There have been parts that go out of stock, then go back in production when demand is suitable. (For example, I think this happened with OM617 300D manual trans flywheels!) Some parts simply can't be produced anymore due to availability of materials, processes that become illegal due to environmental standards, etc. Interior parts are usually the first to go for this reason (for example, leather interiors). W114/5 /8 cars have a great following world wide... I'd expect lots of parts to remain available, even if they need to be sourced in Germany from some of the specialists there in some cases. Its important for us, as a community, to promote the value and collectiblity of these cars. Values of W110s, 111s, and 108s are already shooting up since people are treating them more as rare collectibles, rather than cheap drivers.. /8 cars have been under valued for years. W116s are next (believe me, start buying them!). In a few more years (maybe 10+), everyone will be collecting W123s, and even W126s. Just watch. Which brings up the question asked earlier on the list: How much is a W108 4.5 worth? I didn't say much, but I was shocked to hear $1000. A decent W108 around here is very hard to find, and anything without significant rust is worth $2000+ easy in my opinion. If you can drive it home, its worth $3500+. If there is no major issues, $5000-8000+. A W111 230S just sold locally on eBay for $4600... with a bad, not original, engine. A few years ago, this was a $1000 car. Have a look: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150517197572 Times are a changin' for old Mercedes, and its only going to get better as the values go up and more people start taking them seriously. (And I know lots of people on this list won't believe me!). Jaime On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:29 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: The MB policy of actually supporting their classic community is brilliant, and I am willing to put my money (within reason) on it. As I posted before, I'm becoming impatient with aftermarket parts of questionable provenance and will pay a premium for OE quality. A couple of times now I've gone to order something for my W115 and have been told by the dealer that the part is NLA and we even checked with the Classic Centre. Two parts that come to mind are the rear seat pads and the speaker grill assembly (the one that always shrivels up) on later W114/5 dashboards. Demand for some items like seat pads must be increasing after being close to nil for many years. When I did the interior in my W115 I got what World Uplholstery said was their last set of rear pads, one of which was a NOS genuine part, the other had served as their fitting model when they were testing the covers. A friend is getting set to do his W115, and World confirmed that the pads are NLA. Same story from GAHH and Mercedes directly. A while ago I happened upon a note from Tom Hansen at the Classic Centre that the trim pieces for the R107 were once again available after being NLA for a while. So my question: if the part is NLA, but Mercedes-Benz is restarting production on certain items according to demand, how does one ensure that this demand is actually registered with the company. Is there a way of getting onto a list or something so that these parts become available? Or do I just send a note to Tom? D. PS: to the joy of W116 owners, it appears that those formerly NLA rear seat pads are once again available in the aftermarket (and a bargain!). Not sure how they'll hold up over time, but better than crumbling vestiges of the original... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ?
'Gonna hafta get me some black paint, spoilers and big farm wagon wheels, I guess. ; On second thought, I'd rather help my children and grandchildren do well in college. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ? I wonder if something like powder coating might work too. Not expensive to do from what I understand, and quite durable. Ed 300E On 21 December 2010 09:38, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: DIY? A can of flat black spray paint and you're good to go. All black trim does look kind of nice. Hmmm do I see a can of flat black spray paint in my future? Manfred Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:45:32 -0600 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ? That came thru fine. I want that black anodized grill surround for my W123 - has anyone seen that anywhere? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar
Sadly the number of running and/or repairable W108s is rapidly approaching zero. They are very susceptible to rust (although not as badly as the W116s are) and are vanishing. I haven't seen another one around here for a long, long time. It's also expensive to restore one and you end up with a family sedan, never a hot item for collectors. Peter -Original Message- From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com Sent: Dec 21, 2010 9:22 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar Hi David, Max is right... the best thing to do it keep in contact with the classic center and Tom Hansen. They're quite dedicated to keeping the enthusiasts well supplied with what they need. There have been parts that go out of stock, then go back in production when demand is suitable. (For example, I think this happened with OM617 300D manual trans flywheels!) Some parts simply can't be produced anymore due to availability of materials, processes that become illegal due to environmental standards, etc. Interior parts are usually the first to go for this reason (for example, leather interiors). W114/5 /8 cars have a great following world wide... I'd expect lots of parts to remain available, even if they need to be sourced in Germany from some of the specialists there in some cases. Its important for us, as a community, to promote the value and collectiblity of these cars. Values of W110s, 111s, and 108s are already shooting up since people are treating them more as rare collectibles, rather than cheap drivers.. /8 cars have been under valued for years. W116s are next (believe me, start buying them!). In a few more years (maybe 10+), everyone will be collecting W123s, and even W126s. Just watch. Which brings up the question asked earlier on the list: How much is a W108 4.5 worth? I didn't say much, but I was shocked to hear $1000. A decent W108 around here is very hard to find, and anything without significant rust is worth $2000+ easy in my opinion. If you can drive it home, its worth $3500+. If there is no major issues, $5000-8000+. A W111 230S just sold locally on eBay for $4600... with a bad, not original, engine. A few years ago, this was a $1000 car. Have a look: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150517197572 Times are a changin' for old Mercedes, and its only going to get better as the values go up and more people start taking them seriously. (And I know lots of people on this list won't believe me!). Jaime On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:29 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: The MB policy of actually supporting their classic community is brilliant, and I am willing to put my money (within reason) on it. As I posted before, I'm becoming impatient with aftermarket parts of questionable provenance and will pay a premium for OE quality. A couple of times now I've gone to order something for my W115 and have been told by the dealer that the part is NLA and we even checked with the Classic Centre. Two parts that come to mind are the rear seat pads and the speaker grill assembly (the one that always shrivels up) on later W114/5 dashboards. Demand for some items like seat pads must be increasing after being close to nil for many years. When I did the interior in my W115 I got what World Uplholstery said was their last set of rear pads, one of which was a NOS genuine part, the other had served as their fitting model when they were testing the covers. A friend is getting set to do his W115, and World confirmed that the pads are NLA. Same story from GAHH and Mercedes directly. A while ago I happened upon a note from Tom Hansen at the Classic Centre that the trim pieces for the R107 were once again available after being NLA for a while. So my question: if the part is NLA, but Mercedes-Benz is restarting production on certain items according to demand, how does one ensure that this demand is actually registered with the company. Is there a way of getting onto a list or something so that these parts become available? Or do I just send a note to Tom? D. PS: to the joy of W116 owners, it appears that those formerly NLA rear seat pads are once again available in the aftermarket (and a bargain!). Not sure how they'll hold up over time, but better than crumbling vestiges of the original... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change
Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ?
It's funny in ways, when you read the specs on the hot AMG rim packages back then, most were 15 or 16 rims. My old 911 has the option big 16 rims. hee hee. Standard were 15 back then, even on 911s. Ed 300E On 21 December 2010 10:25, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Gonna hafta get me some black paint, spoilers and big farm wagon wheels, I guess. ; On second thought, I'd rather help my children and grandchildren do well in college. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ? I wonder if something like powder coating might work too. Not expensive to do from what I understand, and quite durable. Ed 300E On 21 December 2010 09:38, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: DIY? A can of flat black spray paint and you're good to go. All black trim does look kind of nice. Hmmm do I see a can of flat black spray paint in my future? Manfred Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:45:32 -0600 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ? That came thru fine. I want that black anodized grill surround for my W123 - has anyone seen that anywhere? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fun car?
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 8:15 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/2123029972.html That's interesting. I'd like to know the story behind it. Did somebody buy a wrecked 500E and a 300E with a nice body but bad engine, and swap things across? I don't think the engine transplant would be that complicated, but the suspension is definitely not just a bolt-on, since as I understand it Porsche made major modifications to the W124 body to accommodate the new suspension, beefier rear diff, wider wheels, etc. of the 500E. Considering you can get a real 500E for about twice what the CL poster's asking, and have a car with a purebred pedigree that's likely to appreciate, there doesn't seem much point to me. (There was a guy on the PeachParts forum trying to sell a Euro 500E---manual climate control!---for the better part of two years for $10K.) Better yet, buy a 400E/E420, which are really undervalued and underappreciated cars with all the power you can reasonably use on the street. A bit lacking in the tire and brake department, but those are easy swaps compared to an engine. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ?
Is it just me, or is that red exhibiting severe cambre? Walt On Dec 21, 2010 10:46 AM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: It's funny in ways, when you read the specs on the hot AMG rim packages back then, most were 15 or 16 rims. My old 911 has the option big 16 rims. hee hee. Standard were 15 back then, even on 911s. Ed 300E On 21 December 2010 10:25, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Gonna hafta get me some black paint, spoilers and big farm wagon wheels, I guess. ; On second thought, I'd rather help my children and grandchildren do well in college. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ? I wonder if something like powder coating might work too. Not expensive to do from what I understand, and quite durable. Ed 300E On 21 December 2010 09:38, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: DIY? A can of flat black spray paint and you're good to go. All black trim does look kind of nice. Hmmm do I see a can of flat black spray paint in my future? Manfred Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:45:32 -0600 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ? That came thru fine. I want that black anodized grill surround for my W123 - has anyone seen that anywhere? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar
I think this is a big part of what adds to a cars value, especially cars that were made in such large numbers as mercedes. Once 30+ years pass, most are gone. Of the ones left, most are junk or projects. Give it a few more years, where those projects are either junked or parted out for spares, and the ones left start to rise. The rare stuff always get the attention first, like the 6.3. To do the body on a sedan cost the same to do right, whether it's a 6.3, or a much more common car. So before people start picking up a 4.5 and paying serious money for them, all the 6.3 have to pretty much be out of reach to the average enthusiast. Around here, a good W123 will bring as much money as a W124, but try to find a good one. As history has shown too, things that can make their roof go down, tend to bring more money, although such cars have never done it for me. Ed 300E On 21 December 2010 10:31, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: Sadly the number of running and/or repairable W108s is rapidly approaching zero. They are very susceptible to rust (although not as badly as the W116s are) and are vanishing. I haven't seen another one around here for a long, long time. It's also expensive to restore one and you end up with a family sedan, never a hot item for collectors. Peter -Original Message- From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com Sent: Dec 21, 2010 9:22 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar Hi David, Max is right... the best thing to do it keep in contact with the classic center and Tom Hansen. They're quite dedicated to keeping the enthusiasts well supplied with what they need. There have been parts that go out of stock, then go back in production when demand is suitable. (For example, I think this happened with OM617 300D manual trans flywheels!) Some parts simply can't be produced anymore due to availability of materials, processes that become illegal due to environmental standards, etc. Interior parts are usually the first to go for this reason (for example, leather interiors). W114/5 /8 cars have a great following world wide... I'd expect lots of parts to remain available, even if they need to be sourced in Germany from some of the specialists there in some cases. Its important for us, as a community, to promote the value and collectiblity of these cars. Values of W110s, 111s, and 108s are already shooting up since people are treating them more as rare collectibles, rather than cheap drivers.. /8 cars have been under valued for years. W116s are next (believe me, start buying them!). In a few more years (maybe 10+), everyone will be collecting W123s, and even W126s. Just watch. Which brings up the question asked earlier on the list: How much is a W108 4.5 worth? I didn't say much, but I was shocked to hear $1000. A decent W108 around here is very hard to find, and anything without significant rust is worth $2000+ easy in my opinion. If you can drive it home, its worth $3500+. If there is no major issues, $5000-8000+. A W111 230S just sold locally on eBay for $4600... with a bad, not original, engine. A few years ago, this was a $1000 car. Have a look: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150517197572 Times are a changin' for old Mercedes, and its only going to get better as the values go up and more people start taking them seriously. (And I know lots of people on this list won't believe me!). Jaime On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:29 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: The MB policy of actually supporting their classic community is brilliant, and I am willing to put my money (within reason) on it. As I posted before, I'm becoming impatient with aftermarket parts of questionable provenance and will pay a premium for OE quality. A couple of times now I've gone to order something for my W115 and have been told by the dealer that the part is NLA and we even checked with the Classic Centre. Two parts that come to mind are the rear seat pads and the speaker grill assembly (the one that always shrivels up) on later W114/5 dashboards. Demand for some items like seat pads must be increasing after being close to nil for many years. When I did the interior in my W115 I got what World Uplholstery said was their last set of rear pads, one of which was a NOS genuine part, the other had served as their fitting model when they were testing the covers. A friend is getting set to do his W115, and World confirmed that the pads are NLA. Same story from GAHH and Mercedes directly. A while ago I happened upon a note from Tom Hansen at the Classic Centre that the trim pieces for the R107 were once again available after being NLA for a while. So my question: if the part is NLA, but
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: valued for years. W116s are next (believe me, start buying them!). In a few more years (maybe 10+), everyone will be collecting W123s, and even W126s. Just watch. I think even the rarer 124s (coupes and convertibles) are close to bottom in the new car - used car - collectible price cycle. W116s becoming collectible would certainly help out Unwired Tools! Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar
I have one for sale. It is a 1969 280SEL. Maroon with Cognac interior. Interior is good with the only exception the drivers seat has a silver dollar size tear in the middle. The paint is new but a 100% crummy job. I call this a 50/50 job. It looks great from fifty feet away going 50 mph. The engine had been completely rebuilt, every moving part nut the crank is new. This was done well unlike the paint work. My cost in the engine is over 5k. It has some rust on the bottom of the doors, perhaps 1/16 inch or less in spots. The frame is rust free, which is why I bought the car. It has great potential, as I have done plenty to the steering and suspension as well. Brand new Michelins on all 4 wheels. New gear shift indicator also. A/C actually works and it has new heater levers (Genuine Mercedes). It has 2 issues at this time. The heater core leaks and has been by passed and the fuel pump needs to be replaced, it starts sporadically. I can say this for it, until the fuel pump failed it was a daily driver for my son and he put 50 miles a day on it for 5 years. It gets a lot of looks and comments when you stop at a light of get gas. I can't justify 4 cars anymore so I need to move it. It is by far the coolest car I have ever owned. Someone make me a reasonable offer, you can drive it home anywhere. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz www.buyEUROparts.biz www.buyASIANparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar Sadly the number of running and/or repairable W108s is rapidly approaching zero. They are very susceptible to rust (although not as badly as the W116s are) and are vanishing. I haven't seen another one around here for a long, long time. It's also expensive to restore one and you end up with a family sedan, never a hot item for collectors. Peter -Original Message- From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com Sent: Dec 21, 2010 9:22 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar Hi David, Max is right... the best thing to do it keep in contact with the classic center and Tom Hansen. They're quite dedicated to keeping the enthusiasts well supplied with what they need. There have been parts that go out of stock, then go back in production when demand is suitable. (For example, I think this happened with OM617 300D manual trans flywheels!) Some parts simply can't be produced anymore due to availability of materials, processes that become illegal due to environmental standards, etc. Interior parts are usually the first to go for this reason (for example, leather interiors). W114/5 /8 cars have a great following world wide... I'd expect lots of parts to remain available, even if they need to be sourced in Germany from some of the specialists there in some cases. Its important for us, as a community, to promote the value and collectiblity of these cars. Values of W110s, 111s, and 108s are already shooting up since people are treating them more as rare collectibles, rather than cheap drivers.. /8 cars have been under valued for years. W116s are next (believe me, start buying them!). In a few more years (maybe 10+), everyone will be collecting W123s, and even W126s. Just watch. Which brings up the question asked earlier on the list: How much is a W108 4.5 worth? I didn't say much, but I was shocked to hear $1000. A decent W108 around here is very hard to find, and anything without significant rust is worth $2000+ easy in my opinion. If you can drive it home, its worth $3500+. If there is no major issues, $5000-8000+. A W111 230S just sold locally on eBay for $4600... with a bad, not original, engine. A few years ago, this was a $1000 car. Have a look: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150517197572 Times are a changin' for old Mercedes, and its only going to get better as the values go up and more people start taking them seriously. (And I know lots of people on this list won't believe me!). Jaime On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:29 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: The MB policy of actually supporting their classic community is brilliant, and I am willing to put my money (within reason) on it. As I posted before, I'm becoming impatient with aftermarket parts of questionable provenance and will pay a premium for OE quality. A couple of times now I've gone to order something for my W115 and have been told by the dealer that the part is NLA and we even checked with the Classic Centre. Two parts that come to mind are
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value
So you mean my perfectly rust-free, mostly-original-paint 280SEL 4.5 might be worth something?! The market in California is clearly different than everywhere else. Here, rust-free, running, decent looking 108s are on Craigslist regularly for months and people can't give them away. $2500 seems to be the magic number when they disappear. Of course they all start with $7k+, but then creep down when they realize nobody will pay that. That friend of mine who bought the 115: it was a 76 300D, no rust, original paint and interior, basically nothing wrong with it apart from a toasted prop shaft support and seat pads, for $1k. He'll need to spend 3k to make it nice, but it will be worth it at the end. D. Jaime wrote: Which brings up the question asked earlier on the list: How much is a W108 4.5 worth? I didn't say much, but I was shocked to hear $1000. A decent W108 around here is very hard to find, and anything without significant rust is worth $2000+ easy in my opinion. If you can drive it home, its worth $3500+. If there is no major issues, $5000-8000+. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ?
When you're trying to make a heavy 4 door into a sports car, you tweak and work with what you got. hee hee Ed 300E On 21 December 2010 10:53, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: Is it just me, or is that red exhibiting severe cambre? Walt On Dec 21, 2010 10:46 AM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: It's funny in ways, when you read the specs on the hot AMG rim packages back then, most were 15 or 16 rims. My old 911 has the option big 16 rims. hee hee. Standard were 15 back then, even on 911s. Ed 300E On 21 December 2010 10:25, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Gonna hafta get me some black paint, spoilers and big farm wagon wheels, I guess. ; On second thought, I'd rather help my children and grandchildren do well in college. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ? I wonder if something like powder coating might work too. Not expensive to do from what I understand, and quite durable. Ed 300E On 21 December 2010 09:38, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: DIY? A can of flat black spray paint and you're good to go. All black trim does look kind of nice. Hmmm do I see a can of flat black spray paint in my future? Manfred Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:45:32 -0600 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ? That came thru fine. I want that black anodized grill surround for my W123 - has anyone seen that anywhere? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ?
I'm not saying it's a bad thing, it just threw me off a bit. :) Looks damn sexy to me. Walt On Dec 21, 2010 11:45 AM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: When you're trying to make a heavy 4 door into a sports car, you tweak and work with what you got. hee hee Ed 300E On 21 December 2010 10:53, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: Is it just me, or is that red exhibiting severe cambre? Walt On Dec 21, 2010 10:46 AM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: It's funny in ways, when you read the specs on the hot AMG rim packages back then, most were 15 or 16 rims. My old 911 has the option big 16 rims. hee hee. Standard were 15 back then, even on 911s. Ed 300E On 21 December 2010 10:25, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Gonna hafta get me some black paint, spoilers and big farm wagon wheels, I guess. ; On second thought, I'd rather help my children and grandchildren do well in college. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ? I wonder if something like powder coating might work too. Not expensive to do from what I understand, and quite durable. Ed 300E On 21 December 2010 09:38, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: DIY? A can of flat black spray paint and you're good to go. All black trim does look kind of nice. Hmmm do I see a can of flat black spray paint in my future? Manfred Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:45:32 -0600 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ? That came thru fine. I want that black anodized grill surround for my W123 - has anyone seen that anywhere? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear
In the UK they call it A star in a reasonably priced car... I think one of my complaints from my admittedly small sample size of 2 episodes is that this is the kind of typical LA Car Show where everything is going to be about LA and take place in and around LA. One of my favorite things about UK Top Gear is the travel. -Curt Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:01:53 -0500 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear Message-ID: 4d10c161.60...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MG wrote: Kind of like leaving Limburger out to mellow? I didn't think the one with the Viper and the three Lambos was that bad. Is the 'Famous dude drives a Suzuki' feature copied from UK? The Aston Martin feature on the next show seemed kind of pointless. Lots of ego, not much decent info on the car. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear
Wouldn't know how good they are as I never watched them. I'm on a phone line. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it! I was just commenting on Walt saying it may need to mellow to improve all the negative comments on a lot of lists. ;-) Manfred Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:01:53 -0500 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear MG wrote: Kind of like leaving Limburger out to mellow? I didn't think the one with the Viper and the three Lambos was that bad. Is the 'Famous dude drives a Suzuki' feature copied from UK? The Aston Martin feature on the next show seemed kind of pointless. Lots of ego, not much decent info on the car. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ?
That probably would as long as you rough up the shinny chrome surfaces so the stuff sticks better. You would also have to make sure that there is no plastic or rubber on the item as they have to put it into the oven to melt the powder. Course it also costs a lot more then a can of spray paint. :-) Manfred Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:18:44 -0500 From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ? I wonder if something like powder coating might work too. Not expensive to do from what I understand, and quite durable. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ?
Another thing to consider, pray paint can also be removed to bring back the chrome if need be. Walt On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 12:29 PM, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: That probably would as long as you rough up the shinny chrome surfaces so the stuff sticks better. You would also have to make sure that there is no plastic or rubber on the item as they have to put it into the oven to melt the powder. Course it also costs a lot more then a can of spray paint. :-) Manfred Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:18:44 -0500 From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ? I wonder if something like powder coating might work too. Not expensive to do from what I understand, and quite durable. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value
I think a lot of this has to do with the market, that is, the buyers. Consider the age of these cars (W108, W111) and you can understand that the people who would show an interest are up there in years (maybe 40-50 or older) and are not looking for fixer-uppers or weekend drivers - especially if they are not in decent shape. Younger people don't know what these cars are, and subsequently, shy away from them when looking for cheap or even reasonably prices transportation. Granted, you'll always have that outlier who is interested because of the uniqueness of the vehicle, but the average Joe has no clue whatsoever when it comes to taking care of or repairing one of these cars. As a result they have marginal value in the Craigslist world when it comes to used cars. They are just another commodity. I have a long-time affinity for the finnies, and would love to have another some day. Considering the reality of age and numbers, the possibility that this will happen is pretty slim. At least that's my take on it. Dan --- On Tue, 12/21/10, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: From: David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 11:38 AM So you mean my perfectly rust-free, mostly-original-paint 280SEL 4.5 might be worth something?! The market in California is clearly different than everywhere else. Here, rust-free, running, decent looking 108s are on Craigslist regularly for months and people can't give them away. $2500 seems to be the magic number when they disappear. Of course they all start with $7k+, but then creep down when they realize nobody will pay that. That friend of mine who bought the 115: it was a 76 300D, no rust, original paint and interior, basically nothing wrong with it apart from a toasted prop shaft support and seat pads, for $1k. He'll need to spend 3k to make it nice, but it will be worth it at the end. D. Jaime wrote: Which brings up the question asked earlier on the list: How much is a W108 4.5 worth? I didn't say much, but I was shocked to hear $1000. A decent W108 around here is very hard to find, and anything without significant rust is worth $2000+ easy in my opinion. If you can drive it home, its worth $3500+. If there is no major issues, $5000-8000+. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ?
Oh come on Wilton. Black paint and wagon wheels don't cost that much. I think I could even send you 4 wheels, as long as you don't mind 2 different sizes. A couple may need a bit of rim tightening or maybe just soaking them in water for a while may work. The spoiler you can always make out of a spare board and a couple of angle brackets. There you go job done! Manfred Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:25:08 -0500 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ? 'Gonna hafta get me some black paint, spoilers and big farm wagon wheels, I guess. ; On second thought, I'd rather help my children and grandchildren do well in college. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 8:38 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: So you mean my perfectly rust-free, mostly-original-paint 280SEL 4.5 might be worth something?! The market in California is clearly different than everywhere else. Same for western Oregon and Washington. I'm convinced this is due to just two simple factors: the relative popularity of foreign cars (which have long outsold domestics in the urban areas of the West Coast) and the fact that the roads are almost never salted in the winter. European and Japanese cars from the '70s, '80s, and '90s are an unremarkable sight and daily transport for lots of people in the Portland area, for example, but in the rest of the country they're rare collectibles, as far as I can tell. I've been to the Midwest only a few times but the last time I was there (in Iowa looking at grad schools---hi, Wonko!) I counted fewer than 10 European cars in three days in a college town (Iowa City), and only one of them was more than 10 years old (a very sad VW bug). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Did I hose my rear SLS valve?
I had to release pressure in the four-wheel SLS system (aka 6.9-style Hydramat) of my Euro 500SEL thanks to a leak at the banjo fitting on the high-pressure side of the hydraulic pump. For some reason the copper washers suddenly decided to not seal well. I used Philip M.'s trick with a propane torch and cold water (thanks, Philip!) to re-anneal them nice and soft. Put things back together, added some fluid, and there's no leak now that I can tell. However, although the suspension idiot light on the dash is out (indicating, I believe, that the overall pressure in the system is within specs), the back end of the car now won't rise up from kneeling-camel position. I had already disconnected the level control valve in the rear from the sway bar, so I was able to reach in from the side with a broom handle and move the arm on the valve slowly up and down for about a minute, which I thought was the proper way to quickly bleed the system. The back end is still all the way down, though. Is there still air in the system, maybe? A greater concern, though, is that, looking at the FSM, I was horrified to see that you're only supposed to move the arm on the level control valve no more than 45 degrees from the central position---too far, and it may result in damage to valve balls and therefore in internal leaking of level controller. I was definitely moving the darn thing past that point. Did I break something? Why didn't they just design the valve so that the arm's range of motion is limited to the safe area? The last one of those valves I saw on eBay went for $850, and while there's a place now that rebuilds SLS and Hydramat parts---www.activesuspensionsystems.com---I haven't even dared to ask them what a valve rebuild would cost. Ack! Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar
Jaime, Thanks for your info on the W108 - I didn't even know it is a 108. I too think they're only going to go up in value, and I also agree that there's lots of folks on this list (me included) who are bottom feeders and thrive at the 'frugal' end of the scale. I really want to get this car, there's just this little problem of getting the Chairman of the Finance Committee to agree. -Max From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 10:22:02 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar Hi David, Max is right... the best thing to do it keep in contact with the classic center and Tom Hansen. They're quite dedicated to keeping the enthusiasts well supplied with what they need. There have been parts that go out of stock, then go back in production when demand is suitable. (For example, I think this happened with OM617 300D manual trans flywheels!) Some parts simply can't be produced anymore due to availability of materials, processes that become illegal due to environmental standards, etc. Interior parts are usually the first to go for this reason (for example, leather interiors). W114/5 /8 cars have a great following world wide... I'd expect lots of parts to remain available, even if they need to be sourced in Germany from some of the specialists there in some cases. Its important for us, as a community, to promote the value and collectiblity of these cars. Values of W110s, 111s, and 108s are already shooting up since people are treating them more as rare collectibles, rather than cheap drivers.. /8 cars have been under valued for years. W116s are next (believe me, start buying them!). In a few more years (maybe 10+), everyone will be collecting W123s, and even W126s. Just watch. Which brings up the question asked earlier on the list: How much is a W108 4.5 worth? I didn't say much, but I was shocked to hear $1000. A decent W108 around here is very hard to find, and anything without significant rust is worth $2000+ easy in my opinion. If you can drive it home, its worth $3500+. If there is no major issues, $5000-8000+. A W111 230S just sold locally on eBay for $4600... with a bad, not original, engine. A few years ago, this was a $1000 car. Have a look: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150517197572 Times are a changin' for old Mercedes, and its only going to get better as the values go up and more people start taking them seriously. (And I know lots of people on this list won't believe me!). Jaime On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:29 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: The MB policy of actually supporting their classic community is brilliant, and I am willing to put my money (within reason) on it. As I posted before, I'm becoming impatient with aftermarket parts of questionable provenance and will pay a premium for OE quality. A couple of times now I've gone to order something for my W115 and have been told by the dealer that the part is NLA and we even checked with the Classic Centre. Two parts that come to mind are the rear seat pads and the speaker grill assembly (the one that always shrivels up) on later W114/5 dashboards. Demand for some items like seat pads must be increasing after being close to nil for many years. When I did the interior in my W115 I got what World Uplholstery said was their last set of rear pads, one of which was a NOS genuine part, the other had served as their fitting model when they were testing the covers. A friend is getting set to do his W115, and World confirmed that the pads are NLA. Same story from GAHH and Mercedes directly. A while ago I happened upon a note from Tom Hansen at the Classic Centre that the trim pieces for the R107 were once again available after being NLA for a while. So my question: if the part is NLA, but Mercedes-Benz is restarting production on certain items according to demand, how does one ensure that this demand is actually registered with the company. Is there a way of getting onto a list or something so that these parts become available? Or do I just send a note to Tom? D. PS: to the joy of W116 owners, it appears that those formerly NLA rear seat pads are once again available in the aftermarket (and a bargain!). Not sure how they'll hold up over time, but better than crumbling vestiges of the original... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ?
Yeah, and put the bigger wheels on the back, right? Save fuel - always going downhill. Wilton - Original Message - From: MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ? Oh come on Wilton. Black paint and wagon wheels don't cost that much. I think I could even send you 4 wheels, as long as you don't mind 2 different sizes. A couple may need a bit of rim tightening or maybe just soaking them in water for a while may work. The spoiler you can always make out of a spare board and a couple of angle brackets. There you go job done! Manfred Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:25:08 -0500 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ? 'Gonna hafta get me some black paint, spoilers and big farm wagon wheels, I guess. ; On second thought, I'd rather help my children and grandchildren do well in college. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] modern automotive design (was W140)
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: The problems with all modern automobiles is the replacement of analog mechanical controls with digital electronic controls, and subsequent gross cheapening of mechanical design. Programmer's disease indeed. ... I personally will pass -- all those electronics will fail in use, and replacement is more than the car is worth. Mechanical stuff can be fixed, if not cheaply, but a dead brain box is just junk. Analog electronics are just as fixable as anything mechanical---ask our own Jim C., or GDL, the company that rebuilds CC amps. Digital electronics, too, are fixable by those with the proper training, or can easily be retrofitted with newly-engineered parts that, by Moore's Law, will be simpler and work better. And modern digital electronics can replace analog electronics (or primitive digital designs) with technology unknown at the time the original system was built; for example, the troublesome Mercedes ACC brains could be reverse-engineered and replaced with microcontrollers. As the baby boomers that have dominated the monied side of the old-car hobby for many years move on to the Great Pick-N-Pull In The Sky, there will be a paradigm shift in the hobby, and in the restoration and parts businesses supporting it, away from an emphasis on repair or replacement of mechanical parts, and towards restoration and reproduction of the parts that are more likely to fail in cars from the '70s, '80s, and '90s. That means plastics and electronics. This is already happening in certain segments of the business, in fact; just to take one example with which I'm familiar, check out the magazine 5.0 Mustang the next time you're at the supermarket, and notice the full-page ads for replacement plastic parts for the interior and exterior of those cars. Or look at the curriculum at trade schools for aspiring auto mechanics: it's half electronics training now. I've been hearing the argument that the more electronics in a car, the less reliable, durable, fixable, and restorable it is, for 20-plus years. (I believe the first time I noticed it was in the British magazine CAR, in reference to a limited-production Italian car that used a V-8 originally from a mid-engine car in the front, with the crank rotating the opposite direction from the original application, necessitating a unique engine management system. The author was worried that the electronics would be irreplaceable and unfixable down the road. Maybe it was the Lancia Thema 8.32?) I just don't buy it. Modern electronics have made cars safer, more reliable, cheaper to produce, more efficient, and less polluting. As they get older the electronics fail with greater frequency, but so did the mechanical parts of older cars (consider that '50s American cars, for example, were ready for the crusher after 50,000 miles or so). Modern cars aren't harder to repair, just different. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear
MG wrote: Wouldn't know how good they are as I never watched them. I'm on a phone line. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it! Can you download 150 meg overnight? Malwarebytes says this file is virus-free. You might have to download a codec for .mkv files, IIRC VLC media player couldn't handle them without the codec. http://www.fileserve.com/file/BjVHpD7 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Did I hose my rear SLS valve?
For your sake, I sure hope not! However, you still have the original problem to sort out. Perhaps the SLS valve was already dead? I would think that if there was air entrapped, you could loosen the lines at the top of the struts to bleed out the air - that is what I do on my 124 wagon SLS. -Max From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 1:06:21 PM Subject: [MBZ] Did I hose my rear SLS valve? I had to release pressure in the four-wheel SLS system (aka 6.9-style Hydramat) of my Euro 500SEL thanks to a leak at the banjo fitting on the high-pressure side of the hydraulic pump. For some reason the copper washers suddenly decided to not seal well. I used Philip M.'s trick with a propane torch and cold water (thanks, Philip!) to re-anneal them nice and soft. Put things back together, added some fluid, and there's no leak now that I can tell. However, although the suspension idiot light on the dash is out (indicating, I believe, that the overall pressure in the system is within specs), the back end of the car now won't rise up from kneeling-camel position. I had already disconnected the level control valve in the rear from the sway bar, so I was able to reach in from the side with a broom handle and move the arm on the valve slowly up and down for about a minute, which I thought was the proper way to quickly bleed the system. The back end is still all the way down, though. Is there still air in the system, maybe? A greater concern, though, is that, looking at the FSM, I was horrified to see that you're only supposed to move the arm on the level control valve no more than 45 degrees from the central position---too far, and it may result in damage to valve balls and therefore in internal leaking of level controller. I was definitely moving the darn thing past that point. Did I break something? Why didn't they just design the valve so that the arm's range of motion is limited to the safe area? The last one of those valves I saw on eBay went for $850, and while there's a place now that rebuilds SLS and Hydramat parts---www.activesuspensionsystems.com---I haven't even dared to ask them what a valve rebuild would cost. Ack! Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear
Curt Raymond wrote: but I knew about British TV, I grew up on Dr. Who... Heh. Like Dr. Who is the epitome of British TV. But whether it is or not, I certainly enjoyed the show. At the risk of a oil-thread... Which is your favorite Doctor? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar
Jaime Kopchinski wrote: W116s are next (believe me, start buying them!). In a few more years (maybe 10+), everyone will be collecting W123s, and even W126s. Just watch. Well then, I'm ahead of the game. I have a collection of 123s already!! *grin* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear
I prefer The Avengers or The Prisoner, never did watch Doc Who though... Be seeing you. Walt On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: but I knew about British TV, I grew up on Dr. Who... Heh. Like Dr. Who is the epitome of British TV. But whether it is or not, I certainly enjoyed the show. At the risk of a oil-thread... Which is your favorite Doctor? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear
The Get Beat Up by Emma Peel contest. Ahh, how that brings back memories... Dan --- On Tue, 12/21/10, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: From: Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 1:52 PM I prefer The Avengers or The Prisoner, never did watch Doc Who though... Be seeing you. Walt On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: but I knew about British TV, I grew up on Dr. Who... Heh. Like Dr. Who is the epitome of British TV. But whether it is or not, I certainly enjoyed the show. At the risk of a oil-thread... Which is your favorite Doctor? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ?
lol Ed 300E On 21 December 2010 13:08, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Yeah, and put the bigger wheels on the back, right? Save fuel - always going downhill. Wilton - Original Message - From: MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ? Oh come on Wilton. Black paint and wagon wheels don't cost that much. I think I could even send you 4 wheels, as long as you don't mind 2 different sizes. A couple may need a bit of rim tightening or maybe just soaking them in water for a while may work. The spoiler you can always make out of a spare board and a couple of angle brackets. There you go job done! Manfred Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:25:08 -0500 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ? 'Gonna hafta get me some black paint, spoilers and big farm wagon wheels, I guess. ; On second thought, I'd rather help my children and grandchildren do well in college. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value
Geez, now I'm up there in years! Well if that ain't a depressing thought, I don't know what is. lol Mind you, there's a lot of truth to what you say. I still love cleaning a car, it relaxes me. But for the really dirty stuff, I'm more likely to pay someone else to do it. There was a time rolling around on the ground and messing with cars was a fun thing to do. It no longer has the same effect on me. Speaking of that, I'm off to the garage now to get the oil changed in the minivan. By the time I buy it, get dirty, rolling around on the ground, and then have to take the old stuff to a recycler, it costs me about $10 more to let someone else do. Of course, I'll vacuum the car when I get home, I don't want you to think I'm lazy. ;-) Ed 300E On 21 December 2010 12:35, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I think a lot of this has to do with the market, that is, the buyers. Consider the age of these cars (W108, W111) and you can understand that the people who would show an interest are up there in years (maybe 40-50 or older) and are not looking for fixer-uppers or weekend drivers - especially if they are not in decent shape. Younger people don't know what these cars are, and subsequently, shy away from them when looking for cheap or even reasonably prices transportation. Granted, you'll always have that outlier who is interested because of the uniqueness of the vehicle, but the average Joe has no clue whatsoever when it comes to taking care of or repairing one of these cars. As a result they have marginal value in the Craigslist world when it comes to used cars. They are just another commodity. I have a long-time affinity for the finnies, and would love to have another some day. Considering the reality of age and numbers, the possibility that this will happen is pretty slim. At least that's my take on it. Dan --- On Tue, 12/21/10, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: From: David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 11:38 AM So you mean my perfectly rust-free, mostly-original-paint 280SEL 4.5 might be worth something?! The market in California is clearly different than everywhere else. Here, rust-free, running, decent looking 108s are on Craigslist regularly for months and people can't give them away. $2500 seems to be the magic number when they disappear. Of course they all start with $7k+, but then creep down when they realize nobody will pay that. That friend of mine who bought the 115: it was a 76 300D, no rust, original paint and interior, basically nothing wrong with it apart from a toasted prop shaft support and seat pads, for $1k. He'll need to spend 3k to make it nice, but it will be worth it at the end. D. Jaime wrote: Which brings up the question asked earlier on the list: How much is a W108 4.5 worth? I didn't say much, but I was shocked to hear $1000. A decent W108 around here is very hard to find, and anything without significant rust is worth $2000+ easy in my opinion. If you can drive it home, its worth $3500+. If there is no major issues, $5000-8000+. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value
Hey, I'm included in that demographic as well. As for rolling around on the floor and changing oil, well, I have stopped doing that, too. When my local stealership does an oil change with OEM filter and synthetic blend OE oil, along with an inspection and tire rotation for $30, I can' justify getting dirty, much less going through the hassle of buying the materials and having to dispose of the waste oil. Granted, they're attempting to use this as a loss leader to find something to repair on my car, but it is in good enough shape that they are hard pressed to find anything... Dan --- On Tue, 12/21/10, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 2:24 PM Geez, now I'm up there in years! Well if that ain't a depressing thought, I don't know what is. lol Mind you, there's a lot of truth to what you say. I still love cleaning a car, it relaxes me. But for the really dirty stuff, I'm more likely to pay someone else to do it. There was a time rolling around on the ground and messing with cars was a fun thing to do. It no longer has the same effect on me. Speaking of that, I'm off to the garage now to get the oil changed in the minivan. By the time I buy it, get dirty, rolling around on the ground, and then have to take the old stuff to a recycler, it costs me about $10 more to let someone else do. Of course, I'll vacuum the car when I get home, I don't want you to think I'm lazy. ;-) Ed 300E On 21 December 2010 12:35, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I think a lot of this has to do with the market, that is, the buyers. Consider the age of these cars (W108, W111) and you can understand that the people who would show an interest are up there in years (maybe 40-50 or older) and are not looking for fixer-uppers or weekend drivers - especially if they are not in decent shape. Younger people don't know what these cars are, and subsequently, shy away from them when looking for cheap or even reasonably prices transportation. Granted, you'll always have that outlier who is interested because of the uniqueness of the vehicle, but the average Joe has no clue whatsoever when it comes to taking care of or repairing one of these cars. As a result they have marginal value in the Craigslist world when it comes to used cars. They are just another commodity. I have a long-time affinity for the finnies, and would love to have another some day. Considering the reality of age and numbers, the possibility that this will happen is pretty slim. At least that's my take on it. Dan --- On Tue, 12/21/10, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: From: David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 11:38 AM So you mean my perfectly rust-free, mostly-original-paint 280SEL 4.5 might be worth something?! The market in California is clearly different than everywhere else. Here, rust-free, running, decent looking 108s are on Craigslist regularly for months and people can't give them away. $2500 seems to be the magic number when they disappear. Of course they all start with $7k+, but then creep down when they realize nobody will pay that. That friend of mine who bought the 115: it was a 76 300D, no rust, original paint and interior, basically nothing wrong with it apart from a toasted prop shaft support and seat pads, for $1k. He'll need to spend 3k to make it nice, but it will be worth it at the end. D. Jaime wrote: Which brings up the question asked earlier on the list: How much is a W108 4.5 worth? I didn't say much, but I was shocked to hear $1000. A decent W108 around here is very hard to find, and anything without significant rust is worth $2000+ easy in my opinion. If you can drive it home, its worth $3500+. If there is no major issues, $5000-8000+. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
[MBZ] British Humour
Here's a good skit dealing with technology: http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/21/bbc-comedians-ridicule-tech-naming-schemes-make-us-laugh-along/ Enjoy! Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ?
Well easier to remove. You can also get the powder coat off. Its just a slightly tougher coat of paint after all. You would still need to repolish and rechrome the trim in either case, especially if you roughed it up and destroyed the polish to make either the paint or powder coat stick better. Sometimes I wonder if powder coat is even as good as paint. I've had a lot of items with rust bubbling up under powder coat seemingly faster then under paint. Mostly those wonderful HF items. Yeah I know it's all in the preparation. I wonder if they make a rustolium undercoat? :-) Manfred Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 12:32:26 -0500 From: Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ? Another thing to consider, pray paint can also be removed to bring back the chrome if need be. Walt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ?
Um make that rustoilum powder coat undercoat. Manfred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ?
Absolutely! Manfred Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 13:08:20 -0500 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] AMG photo attachment test ? Yeah, and put the bigger wheels on the back, right? Save fuel - always going downhill. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear
Might could. If they let me stay connected that long. Usually I get kicked off after about 2-3 hours. Hey what do you expect fer $6.96 a month. :-) Manfred Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 13:16:36 -0500 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear MG wrote: Wouldn't know how good they are as I never watched them. I'm on a phone line. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it! Can you download 150 meg overnight? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fun car?
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 7:46 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: Better yet, buy a 400E/E420, which are really undervalued and underappreciated cars with all the power you can reasonably use on the street. A bit lacking in the tire and brake department, but those are easy swaps compared to an engine. Speaking of which, this one looks nice. I always feel good about charity used-car lots: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ctd/2122659400.html I bet it's not actually the steering box but the pump that's leaking, and someone wasn't quite as intrepid as our Craig and dumped the car. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value
Sounds like I need to head out to california with a car hauler! Every time I visit out west I'm tempted. One of these days I'll find the time, money, and courage to fly out, buy something, and drive it back here to NJ. Jaime On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:38 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: So you mean my perfectly rust-free, mostly-original-paint 280SEL 4.5 might be worth something?! The market in California is clearly different than everywhere else. Here, rust-free, running, decent looking 108s are on Craigslist regularly for months and people can't give them away. $2500 seems to be the magic number when they disappear. Of course they all start with $7k+, but then creep down when they realize nobody will pay that. That friend of mine who bought the 115: it was a 76 300D, no rust, original paint and interior, basically nothing wrong with it apart from a toasted prop shaft support and seat pads, for $1k. He'll need to spend 3k to make it nice, but it will be worth it at the end. D. Jaime wrote: Which brings up the question asked earlier on the list: How much is a W108 4.5 worth? I didn't say much, but I was shocked to hear $1000. A decent W108 around here is very hard to find, and anything without significant rust is worth $2000+ easy in my opinion. If you can drive it home, its worth $3500+. If there is no major issues, $5000-8000+. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Cheap SL
Isn't this rather cheap for an R129? (oops, needs transmission and electrical work) http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/2119583787.html How about $1500 and I make a 250SLD out of it? Probably be too heavy and underpowered. 1996 Mercedes Benz 320 SL, jet black, hardtop removal convertible, approx. 109,000 miles, needs transmission and some electrical work. Asking $5,500. Call 517-648-6588 Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cheap SL
I've seen em cheaper. Find one with a bad engine and put a om606 in it :D There are a couple of diesel powered 107s out there. -Rolf On 12/21/2010 04:09 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Isn't this rather cheap for an R129? (oops, needs transmission and electrical work) http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/2119583787.html How about $1500 and I make a 250SLD out of it? Probably be too heavy and underpowered. 1996 Mercedes Benz 320 SL, jet black, hardtop removal convertible, approx. 109,000 miles, needs transmission and some electrical work. Asking $5,500. Call 517-648-6588 Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear
I think for my generation Dr. Who is the definition of British TV... The new show looks really amazing, you can see a much bigger budget but I'm all about Tom Baker. I've actually got some MP3s of him reading some Dr. Who books. Okay so now that I think of it there are quite a few others I remember from my childhood: All Creatures Great and Small Red Dwarf Are you Being Served Jeeves and Wooster I've never had opportunity to get into Black Adder although I hear good things... -Curt Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:27:31 -0600 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear Message-ID: 20101221112731.71eff0d8.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Curt Raymond wrote: but I knew about British TV, I grew up on Dr. Who... Heh. Like Dr. Who is the epitome of British TV. But whether it is or not, I certainly enjoyed the show. At the risk of a oil-thread... Which is your favorite Doctor? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value
I got the plow tractor ('64 Cub Cadet model 70) running today and changed the
oil.
Changing the oil on that would be a 2 minute process if you didn't have to
dismount the plow. Theres a brace right under the drain plug and not enough
space to even get the wrench up there. Fortunately it only takes about 5
minutes to dismount and remount the plow.
-Curt
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 14:24:27 -0500
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Geez, now I'm up there in years! Well if that ain't a depressing thought,
I don't know what is. lol Mind you, there's a lot of truth to what you
say. I still love cleaning a car, it relaxes me. But for the really dirty
stuff, I'm more likely to pay someone else to do it. There was a time
rolling around on the ground and messing with cars was a fun thing to do.
It no longer has the same effect on me.
Speaking of that, I'm off to the garage now to get the oil changed in the
minivan. By the time I buy it, get dirty, rolling around on the ground, and
then have to take the old stuff to a recycler, it costs me about $10 more to
let someone else do. Of course, I'll vacuum the car when I get home, I
don't want you to think I'm lazy. ;-)
Ed
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Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value
Sounds like time for a $2 oil sucker?
Warm it up, suck it out, pour in the new stuff and leave the plow attached.
Randy
On 21/12/2010 3:20 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
I got the plow tractor ('64 Cub Cadet model 70) running today and changed the
oil.
Changing the oil on that would be a 2 minute process if you didn't have to
dismount the plow. Theres a brace right under the drain plug and not enough
space to even get the wrench up there. Fortunately it only takes about 5
minutes to dismount and remount the plow.
-Curt
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 14:24:27 -0500
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To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value
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Geez, now I'm up there in years! Well if that ain't a depressing thought,
I don't know what is. lol Mind you, there's a lot of truth to what you
say. I still love cleaning a car, it relaxes me. But for the really dirty
stuff, I'm more likely to pay someone else to do it. There was a time
rolling around on the ground and messing with cars was a fun thing to do.
It no longer has the same effect on me.
Speaking of that, I'm off to the garage now to get the oil changed in the
minivan. By the time I buy it, get dirty, rolling around on the ground, and
then have to take the old stuff to a recycler, it costs me about $10 more to
let someone else do. Of course, I'll vacuum the car when I get home, I
don't want you to think I'm lazy. ;-)
Ed
300E
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Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value
I went through that just last week in Burbank. Theres a SWEET 300TD that belongs to one of the maintenance guys at the hotel I stay at. Theres also a nice survivor VW beetle owned by somebody who works in our building. He's obviously done a bunch of engine works, it starts really easy and sounds fantastic. One of our former demo guys drives a Vanagon because he claims its one of the best audio equipment hauling vehicles that he can take into the city because he can parallel park it like nobody's business. All kinds of other lust worthy stuff, one time I even spotted a Lancia, I'd never seen a Lancia in person before... -Curt Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:04:46 -0500 From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value Message-ID: aanlkti=mps0onts7cd6gp4m-sq2491pdnsqkmb5om...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sounds like I need to head out to california with a car hauler! Every time I visit out west I'm tempted. One of these days I'll find the time, money, and courage to fly out, buy something, and drive it back here to NJ. Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value
here in Calif., prices are all over the map,... you can find clapped out Kaleb Specials (no offense intended, Kaleb!) all day, but anything actually in good condition is probably going to cost you. i'm most familiar with W123 diesels (since that's what i have and watch). a strange thing has happened here with them; the Veggie-hippies managed to destroy enough of them while under the delusion that you could pour anything that vaguely resembled oil in the tank and it would run, that some junkyards won't even take them anymore unless you deliver them to their front gate at your expense and then sign them over. of course, this means that those that run are more rare, and good ones in nice shape are worth even more now. i spent many months several years ago looking for a turbo 300D that was in good enough shape for my family; i wanted something that had been taken care of properly and didn't have any dings, scratches, rips, stains or tears. in spite of a dedicated search, i couldn't find anything worth that met that simple standard within several hundred miles of the Bay Area, and it seems like they've only become more rare since. i finally found a good low-mileage (~120K) example in Los(t) Angeles that i paid a few thousand for and put a little into it to clean it up, and could now sell it for a good deal more than i've got into it even though i've almost doubled the mileage on it. (oddly enough, it's our oldest car, but still the lowest mileage.) the 280 4.5s and 6.9s are still seen around here, but are most typically seen parked, and in poor condition. they must be fantastic cars if in good trim, but from what (little) i hear, they seem to have a reputation for being expensive and troublesome to keep. cheers! e On 21/Dec/10 13:04, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Sounds like I need to head out to california with a car hauler! Every time I visit out west I'm tempted. One of these days I'll find the time, money, and courage to fly out, buy something, and drive it back here to NJ. Jaime On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:38 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: So you mean my perfectly rust-free, mostly-original-paint 280SEL 4.5 might be worth something?! The market in California is clearly different than everywhere else. Here, rust-free, running, decent looking 108s are on Craigslist regularly for months and people can't give them away. $2500 seems to be the magic number when they disappear. Of course they all start with $7k+, but then creep down when they realize nobody will pay that. That friend of mine who bought the 115: it was a 76 300D, no rust, original paint and interior, basically nothing wrong with it apart from a toasted prop shaft support and seat pads, for $1k. He'll need to spend 3k to make it nice, but it will be worth it at the end. D. Jaime wrote: Which brings up the question asked earlier on the list: How much is a W108 4.5 worth? I didn't say much, but I was shocked to hear $1000. A decent W108 around here is very hard to find, and anything without significant rust is worth $2000+ easy in my opinion. If you can drive it home, its worth $3500+. If there is no major issues, $5000-8000+. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear
Are you implying that there is more to the USA than LA and NYC? That is sacrilege! No network or movie people want that info to leak out! In the UK they call it A star in a reasonably priced car... I think one of my complaints from my admittedly small sample size of 2 episodes is that this is the kind of typical LA Car Show where everything is going to be about LA and take place in and around LA. One of my favorite things about UK Top Gear is the travel. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: One of our former demo guys drives a Vanagon because he claims its one of the best audio equipment hauling vehicles that he can take into the city because he can parallel park it like nobody's business. Even on the West Coast it is definitely a seller's market for nice used Vanagons. Tremendous GVWR, more room inside than a Suburban, and very maneuverable. The only weakness is the engine and transmission, but that can be alleviated with a Subaru drivetrain transplant... Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear
Coronation Street gets my vote. It's pretty much a religion over there! Ed 300E On 21 December 2010 16:18, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I think for my generation Dr. Who is the definition of British TV... The new show looks really amazing, you can see a much bigger budget but I'm all about Tom Baker. I've actually got some MP3s of him reading some Dr. Who books. Okay so now that I think of it there are quite a few others I remember from my childhood: All Creatures Great and Small Red Dwarf Are you Being Served Jeeves and Wooster I've never had opportunity to get into Black Adder although I hear good things... -Curt Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:27:31 -0600 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear Message-ID: 20101221112731.71eff0d8.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Curt Raymond wrote: but I knew about British TV, I grew up on Dr. Who... Heh. Like Dr. Who is the epitome of British TV. But whether it is or not, I certainly enjoyed the show. At the risk of a oil-thread... Which is your favorite Doctor? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Re: American Top Gear
I just watched episode 2. The drifting competition was classic, and I'm pretty sure nothing that the BBC ever did. One of the Top Gear USA hosts is apparently a competitive drifter. They had a drifting competition, the other two hosts versus a student trained by the drift racer. The trainee was a blind comedian, Brian Fischler. Fishler won. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear
NYC can detach, shrivel up, and float to sea. Adios, rotten apple. Walt On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Are you implying that there is more to the USA than LA and NYC? That is sacrilege! No network or movie people want that info to leak out! In the UK they call it A star in a reasonably priced car... I think one of my complaints from my admittedly small sample size of 2 episodes is that this is the kind of typical LA Car Show where everything is going to be about LA and take place in and around LA. One of my favorite things about UK Top Gear is the travel. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear
Alles. Ah! You young whippersnappers! The best was The Goon Show on the radio! Spike Milligan, Peter Sellers, Harry Secombe and Michael Bentine. Those were the days! You really had to exercise your imagination. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 12/21/2010 4:51 PM, E M wrote: Coronation Street gets my vote. It's pretty much a religion over there! Ed 300E On 21 December 2010 16:18, Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I think for my generation Dr. Who is the definition of British TV... but I knew about British TV, I grew up on Dr. Who... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fun car?
That looks like a pretty good deal for a half-decent looking car. How hard could the steering box be? --R On 12/21/2010 3:45 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 7:46 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: Better yet, buy a 400E/E420, which are really undervalued and underappreciated cars with all the power you can reasonably use on the street. A bit lacking in the tire and brake department, but those are easy swaps compared to an engine. Speaking of which, this one looks nice. I always feel good about charity used-car lots: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ctd/2122659400.html I bet it's not actually the steering box but the pump that's leaking, and someone wasn't quite as intrepid as our Craig and dumped the car. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fun car?
Rich Thomas wrote: That looks like a pretty good deal for a half-decent looking car. How hard could the steering box be? On a V8? I think it took Craig less than a year to figure it out. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value
Tried it, doesn't work... First theres no dipstick tube like on an MB and
second where the dipstick lands (or would land if there was a tube) is not the
lowest point when the tractor is on a level surface...
-Curt
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:28:42 -0600
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Sounds like time for a $2 oil sucker?
Warm it up, suck it out, pour in the new stuff and leave the plow attached.
Randy
On 21/12/2010 3:20 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
I got the plow tractor ('64 Cub Cadet model 70) running today and changed the
oil.
Changing the oil on that would be a 2 minute process if you didn't have
to dismount the plow. Theres a brace right under the drain plug and not
enough space to even get the wrench up there. Fortunately it only takes
about 5 minutes to dismount and remount the plow.
-Curt
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[MBZ] I'm outa' here for awhile - Merry Christmas to all
I'm outa' here for awhile - Merry Christmas Happy New Year to all. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear
Or magazine people. I can name one magazine (Vintage Truck) dedicated to vehicles not from the LA area... -Curt Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:31:15 -0600 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear Message-ID: a062408c4c936ccc3e...@[192.168.1.51] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed Are you implying that there is more to the USA than LA and NYC? That is sacrilege! No network or movie people want that info to leak out! In the UK they call it A star in a reasonably priced car... I think one of my complaints from my admittedly small sample size of 2 episodes is that this is the kind of typical LA Car Show where everything is going to be about LA and take place in and around LA. One of my favorite things about UK Top Gear is the travel. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear
Yuck! When I was over in '88 it was Neighbors, I can still remember the theme song. I was 13 and HATED the show but everybody was watching it. -Curt Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:51:25 -0500 From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear Message-ID: aanlkti=a5cwr_yhx+9gh=ya0i-yw5h7qt-0f5eilb...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Coronation Street gets my vote. It's pretty much a religion over there! Ed 300E On 21 December 2010 16:18, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I think for my generation Dr. Who is the definition of British TV... The new show looks really amazing, you can see a much bigger budget but I'm all about Tom Baker. I've actually got some MP3s of him reading some Dr. Who books. Okay so now that I think of it there are quite a few others I remember from my childhood: All Creatures Great and Small Red Dwarf Are you Being Served Jeeves and Wooster I've never had opportunity to get into Black Adder although I hear good things... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear
Mitch Haley wrote: MG wrote: Wouldn't know how good they are as I never watched them. I'm on a phone line. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it! Can you download 150 meg overnight? 10-11 MB per hour is pretty typical here. _I_ don't sleep that long, but over the course of a couple nights - presuming the server allows resume. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Re: American Top Gear
Uhhh, in either the second or third season of Real Top Gear they had a competition where GRANNIES were taught to drift. BTDT. -Curt Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:58:44 -0500 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Re: American Top Gear Message-ID: 4d112314.7060...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I just watched episode 2. The drifting competition was classic, and I'm pretty sure nothing that the BBC ever did. One of the Top Gear USA hosts is apparently a competitive drifter. They had a drifting competition, the other two hosts versus a student trained by the drift racer. The trainee was a blind comedian, Brian Fischler. Fishler won. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Is the list active?
Hi All - I haven’t rec’d anything since 12/17 – is the list alive and Well? Thx Larry 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is the list active?
Alive? Yes. Well? Well... Walt On Dec 21, 2010 6:50 PM, l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Hi All - I haven’t rec’d anything since 12/17 – is the list alive and Well? Thx Larry 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I'm outa' here for awhile - Merry Christmas to all
Take care Glenn. Wishing you a very Merry Christmas too, and all the best in the coming New Year. Hope Santa leaves some Benz related gifts for you. Ed 300E On 21 December 2010 18:36, glenn brown g_010...@hotmail.com wrote: I'm outa' here for awhile - Merry Christmas Happy New Year to all. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Did I hose my rear SLS valve?
Alex Chamberlain wrote: I used Philip M.'s trick with a propane torch and cold water (thanks, Philip!) to re-anneal them nice and soft. Put things back together, added some fluid, and there's no leak now that I can tell. Your welcome! I glad it worked. However, although the suspension idiot light on the dash is out (indicating, I believe, that the overall pressure in the system is within specs), the back end of the car now won't rise up from kneeling-camel position. I had already disconnected the level control valve in the rear from the sway bar, so I was able to reach in from the side with a broom handle and move the arm on the valve slowly up and down for about a minute, which I thought was the proper way to quickly bleed the system. The back end is still all the way down, though. Is there still air in the system, maybe? Disclaimer. I only have experience with the rear-only system on the 123 wagon. No idea what might be different. From what I can tell, the system purges the air by itself, so I don't think the problem is air. A greater concern, though, is that, looking at the FSM, I was horrified to see that you're only supposed to move the arm on the level control valve no more than 45 degrees from the central position---too far, and it may result in damage to valve balls and therefore in internal leaking of level controller. I was definitely moving the darn thing past that point. Did I break something? Why didn't they just design the valve so that the arm's range of motion is limited to the safe area? The last one of those valves I saw on eBay went for $850, and while there's a place now that rebuilds SLS and Hydramat parts---www.activesuspensionsystems.com---I haven't even dared to ask them what a valve rebuild would cost. Ack! If it truly is the same as the 123, the valve is actually pretty robust. I don't know what valve ball they are referring to - I didn't see any inside the valve I had apart. But that still doesn't explain your problem. Did the suspension level change when you broomsticked the valve? It should. I usually put blocks under the rear tires and operate the valve by hand. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar
That is great news, I hope it holds true. I have a whole bunch of 116's sitting around that I am thinking about sending to the crusher as nobody wants 116 parts. Right now it seems like the 123 and early 126 cars are the cheap beater cars (in that phase right now). It would be great to get them to collector status. On 12/21/2010 9:22 AM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Hi David, Max is right... the best thing to do it keep in contact with the classic center and Tom Hansen. They're quite dedicated to keeping the enthusiasts well supplied with what they need. There have been parts that go out of stock, then go back in production when demand is suitable. (For example, I think this happened with OM617 300D manual trans flywheels!) Some parts simply can't be produced anymore due to availability of materials, processes that become illegal due to environmental standards, etc. Interior parts are usually the first to go for this reason (for example, leather interiors). W114/5 /8 cars have a great following world wide... I'd expect lots of parts to remain available, even if they need to be sourced in Germany from some of the specialists there in some cases. Its important for us, as a community, to promote the value and collectiblity of these cars. Values of W110s, 111s, and 108s are already shooting up since people are treating them more as rare collectibles, rather than cheap drivers.. /8 cars have been under valued for years. W116s are next (believe me, start buying them!). In a few more years (maybe 10+), everyone will be collecting W123s, and even W126s. Just watch. Which brings up the question asked earlier on the list: How much is a W108 4.5 worth? I didn't say much, but I was shocked to hear $1000. A decent W108 around here is very hard to find, and anything without significant rust is worth $2000+ easy in my opinion. If you can drive it home, its worth $3500+. If there is no major issues, $5000-8000+. A W111 230S just sold locally on eBay for $4600... with a bad, not original, engine. A few years ago, this was a $1000 car. Have a look: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150517197572 Times are a changin' for old Mercedes, and its only going to get better as the values go up and more people start taking them seriously. (And I know lots of people on this list won't believe me!). Jaime On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:29 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: The MB policy of actually supporting their classic community is brilliant, and I am willing to put my money (within reason) on it. As I posted before, I'm becoming impatient with aftermarket parts of questionable provenance and will pay a premium for OE quality. A couple of times now I've gone to order something for my W115 and have been told by the dealer that the part is NLA and we even checked with the Classic Centre. Two parts that come to mind are the rear seat pads and the speaker grill assembly (the one that always shrivels up) on later W114/5 dashboards. Demand for some items like seat pads must be increasing after being close to nil for many years. When I did the interior in my W115 I got what World Uplholstery said was their last set of rear pads, one of which was a NOS genuine part, the other had served as their fitting model when they were testing the covers. A friend is getting set to do his W115, and World confirmed that the pads are NLA. Same story from GAHH and Mercedes directly. A while ago I happened upon a note from Tom Hansen at the Classic Centre that the trim pieces for the R107 were once again available after being NLA for a while. So my question: if the part is NLA, but Mercedes-Benz is restarting production on certain items according to demand, how does one ensure that this demand is actually registered with the company. Is there a way of getting onto a list or something so that these parts become available? Or do I just send a note to Tom? D. PS: to the joy of W116 owners, it appears that those formerly NLA rear seat pads are once again available in the aftermarket (and a bargain!). Not sure how they'll hold up over time, but better than crumbling vestiges of the original... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3328 - Release Date: 12/20/10 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E
Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear
Fmiser wrote: Mitch Haley wrote: MG wrote: Wouldn't know how good they are as I never watched them. I'm on a phone line. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it! Can you download 150 meg overnight? 10-11 MB per hour is pretty typical here. _I_ don't sleep that long, but over the course of a couple nights - presuming the server allows resume. Restarting a download would require a paid subscription to any of the download servers I've seen. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value
So where is a good place to sell these cars? Ebay still? On 12/21/2010 11:35 AM, LWB250 wrote: I think a lot of this has to do with the market, that is, the buyers. Consider the age of these cars (W108, W111) and you can understand that the people who would show an interest are up there in years (maybe 40-50 or older) and are not looking for fixer-uppers or weekend drivers - especially if they are not in decent shape. Younger people don't know what these cars are, and subsequently, shy away from them when looking for cheap or even reasonably prices transportation. Granted, you'll always have that outlier who is interested because of the uniqueness of the vehicle, but the average Joe has no clue whatsoever when it comes to taking care of or repairing one of these cars. As a result they have marginal value in the Craigslist world when it comes to used cars. They are just another commodity. I have a long-time affinity for the finnies, and would love to have another some day. Considering the reality of age and numbers, the possibility that this will happen is pretty slim. At least that's my take on it. Dan -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Diesel SL Was: Cheap SL
Rolf, Got any info, pictures, contacts etc. I am pondering a 380SL 2.5D using an OM602 turbo. By the time I start, I maybe able to find a 2.7 L out of a Sprinter, if that would fit. I think a rusty 87 190D 2.5 with a 5 speed would be a nice donor for the R107 transplant. I've seen em cheaper. Find one with a bad engine and put a om606 in it :D There are a couple of diesel powered 107s out there. -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar
I think the really good ones must first all be snapped up, before any attention will turn to what's left, and where people will start putting money into them as collectors. I'd still love a 560 SEL. They're out there, but try to find a good one, that's worry of collecting right now. Last year, I looked at a couple when the W126 bug bit. They were advertised as good cars. They were in fact parts cars. I've left notes on one or two nicer ones, with an offer to buy, but no reply from anyone. Oh well. Ed 300E On 21 December 2010 19:40, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: That is great news, I hope it holds true. I have a whole bunch of 116's sitting around that I am thinking about sending to the crusher as nobody wants 116 parts. Right now it seems like the 123 and early 126 cars are the cheap beater cars (in that phase right now). It would be great to get them to collector status. On 12/21/2010 9:22 AM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Hi David, Max is right... the best thing to do it keep in contact with the classic center and Tom Hansen. They're quite dedicated to keeping the enthusiasts well supplied with what they need. There have been parts that go out of stock, then go back in production when demand is suitable. (For example, I think this happened with OM617 300D manual trans flywheels!) Some parts simply can't be produced anymore due to availability of materials, processes that become illegal due to environmental standards, etc. Interior parts are usually the first to go for this reason (for example, leather interiors). W114/5 /8 cars have a great following world wide... I'd expect lots of parts to remain available, even if they need to be sourced in Germany from some of the specialists there in some cases. Its important for us, as a community, to promote the value and collectiblity of these cars. Values of W110s, 111s, and 108s are already shooting up since people are treating them more as rare collectibles, rather than cheap drivers.. /8 cars have been under valued for years. W116s are next (believe me, start buying them!). In a few more years (maybe 10+), everyone will be collecting W123s, and even W126s. Just watch. Which brings up the question asked earlier on the list: How much is a W108 4.5 worth? I didn't say much, but I was shocked to hear $1000. A decent W108 around here is very hard to find, and anything without significant rust is worth $2000+ easy in my opinion. If you can drive it home, its worth $3500+. If there is no major issues, $5000-8000+. A W111 230S just sold locally on eBay for $4600... with a bad, not original, engine. A few years ago, this was a $1000 car. Have a look: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150517197572 Times are a changin' for old Mercedes, and its only going to get better as the values go up and more people start taking them seriously. (And I know lots of people on this list won't believe me!). Jaime On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:29 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: The MB policy of actually supporting their classic community is brilliant, and I am willing to put my money (within reason) on it. As I posted before, I'm becoming impatient with aftermarket parts of questionable provenance and will pay a premium for OE quality. A couple of times now I've gone to order something for my W115 and have been told by the dealer that the part is NLA and we even checked with the Classic Centre. Two parts that come to mind are the rear seat pads and the speaker grill assembly (the one that always shrivels up) on later W114/5 dashboards. Demand for some items like seat pads must be increasing after being close to nil for many years. When I did the interior in my W115 I got what World Uplholstery said was their last set of rear pads, one of which was a NOS genuine part, the other had served as their fitting model when they were testing the covers. A friend is getting set to do his W115, and World confirmed that the pads are NLA. Same story from GAHH and Mercedes directly. A while ago I happened upon a note from Tom Hansen at the Classic Centre that the trim pieces for the R107 were once again available after being NLA for a while. So my question: if the part is NLA, but Mercedes-Benz is restarting production on certain items according to demand, how does one ensure that this demand is actually registered with the company. Is there a way of getting onto a list or something so that these parts become available? Or do I just send a note to Tom? D. PS: to the joy of W116 owners, it appears that those formerly NLA rear seat pads are once again available in the aftermarket (and a bargain!). Not sure how they'll hold up over time, but better than crumbling vestiges of the original... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value
I'd guess locally, through word of mouth, or your local Buy and Sell or CL list. I can't imagine anyone willing to travel too far to buy a $1000 car, especially if the condition is only so-so, as to whether or not the car can be driven home. For me, a 45 minute drive is about as far as I'll go to look at a car. Further than that, if it's as good as they often say it is, they can bring it to me, or meet me halfway. I've spent too much time in the past, traveling to look at what others have told me was mint, only to get their and find they were trying to unload their junk. Ed 300E On 21 December 2010 19:45, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: So where is a good place to sell these cars? Ebay still? On 12/21/2010 11:35 AM, LWB250 wrote: I think a lot of this has to do with the market, that is, the buyers. Consider the age of these cars (W108, W111) and you can understand that the people who would show an interest are up there in years (maybe 40-50 or older) and are not looking for fixer-uppers or weekend drivers - especially if they are not in decent shape. Younger people don't know what these cars are, and subsequently, shy away from them when looking for cheap or even reasonably prices transportation. Granted, you'll always have that outlier who is interested because of the uniqueness of the vehicle, but the average Joe has no clue whatsoever when it comes to taking care of or repairing one of these cars. As a result they have marginal value in the Craigslist world when it comes to used cars. They are just another commodity. I have a long-time affinity for the finnies, and would love to have another some day. Considering the reality of age and numbers, the possibility that this will happen is pretty slim. At least that's my take on it. Dan -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL Was: Cheap SL
Dieselhead wrote: Rolf, Got any info, pictures, contacts etc. I am pondering a 380SL 2.5D using an OM602 turbo. By the time I start, I maybe able to find a 2.7 L out of a Sprinter, if that would fit. I think a rusty 87 190D 2.5 with a 5 speed would be a nice donor for the R107 transplant. You've got a 5sp 190Dt? I've heard of at least three of those, none of them factory of course. My recollection of this discussion from about 7 years ago was somebody stating confidently that the measurement from oil pan to valve cover on the 617 was more than would fit under a 107 hood. Shortly after that was posted, we found a R107/617 on eBay UK, which brought up speculation as to just how far off the ground the oil pan was. I think the 616-617 are taller than the 601-602-603. I'm not sure where the inline CDI engines fit in, but it seems like the 320CDI V-6 would likely fit. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL Was: Cheap SL
A 2.5 litre diesel engine can only just move a 190 forward, slowly. I don't think it would provide enough grunt to even shuffle an SL around a parking lot. Ed 300E On 21 December 2010 19:41, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Rolf, Got any info, pictures, contacts etc. I am pondering a 380SL 2.5D using an OM602 turbo. By the time I start, I maybe able to find a 2.7 L out of a Sprinter, if that would fit. I think a rusty 87 190D 2.5 with a 5 speed would be a nice donor for the R107 transplant. I've seen em cheaper. Find one with a bad engine and put a om606 in it :D There are a couple of diesel powered 107s out there. -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL Was: Cheap SL
This is where bolting on some 24s might help. hee hee Ed 300E On 21 December 2010 20:08, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Dieselhead wrote: Rolf, Got any info, pictures, contacts etc. I am pondering a 380SL 2.5D using an OM602 turbo. By the time I start, I maybe able to find a 2.7 L out of a Sprinter, if that would fit. I think a rusty 87 190D 2.5 with a 5 speed would be a nice donor for the R107 transplant. You've got a 5sp 190Dt? I've heard of at least three of those, none of them factory of course. My recollection of this discussion from about 7 years ago was somebody stating confidently that the measurement from oil pan to valve cover on the 617 was more than would fit under a 107 hood. Shortly after that was posted, we found a R107/617 on eBay UK, which brought up speculation as to just how far off the ground the oil pan was. I think the 616-617 are taller than the 601-602-603. I'm not sure where the inline CDI engines fit in, but it seems like the 320CDI V-6 would likely fit. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL Was: Cheap SL
E M wrote: A 2.5 litre diesel engine can only just move a 190 forward, slowly. I don't think it would provide enough grunt to even shuffle an SL around a parking lot. My 1987 (and 1992) OM602s are rated for more horsepower than the 617 in my 1979 300SD, and I thought my SD was quick enough for a nearly 4000lb car. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value
I can't imagine anyone willing to travel too far to buy a $1000 car, especially if the condition is only so-so, as to whether or not the car can be driven home. Agreed, if it is so-so, but if I can drive it 700-1000 miles home, I would definitely fly out somewhere where cars don't rust and drive one home. For me, fixing the mechanicals is a doable chore, but repairing the tin worm is a real PITA. Rick In The Rust Belt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear
Curt Raymond wrote: The new show looks really amazing, you can see a much bigger budget I don't know. Technology as progress a _lot_ since those early shows. A lot of them were bleeding edges stuff. But may didn't get imported to the US market until they were already outclassed. but I'm all about Tom Baker. I've actually got some MP3s of him reading some Dr. Who books. Cool. I have a hard time picking one. Patrick Troughton, Tom Baker and Sylvester McCoy are my favorites from before the break. I can't really speak for after the break. I have only seen Christopher Eccleston. Okay so now that I think of it there are quite a few others I remember from my childhood: All Creatures Great and Small That was a TV show too? I know it as a book series by James Harriot. Good stuff too! Red Dwarf They're dead, Dave. There all dead, Dave I've never had opportunity to get into Black Adder although I hear good things... Other good ones are: Monty Python Fawlty Towers -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fwd: 1991 Mercedes Benz 300D W124 parts car - $975 (Slatersville, RI)
Not mine, etc.
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred
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Gold MB 2.5 diesel parts car. Will sell complete or will part out if no
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