Re: [MBZ] FCPEuro say the 211 is one of the best 5 best used euro cars to buy cheap

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’m stunned that there’s an Audi on that list.

-D

> On Dec 21, 2020, at 9:54 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://blog.fcpeuro.com/5-best-used-european-luxury-cars-to-buy-cheap
> 
> -- 
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] 04 Mercedes E55 Amg, 600+hp, New 19” staggered wheels, 1 owner - $19,500

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The classic rationale, “I just put $800 worth of tires on the car a few months 
ago, so it’s worth $800 more."

Uh, nope.

-D


> On Dec 20, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 2020-12-20 11:35, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> Priced right with maybe 25k miles on the clock
> 
> Modified cars usually have reduced value, and the owners often want the 
> buyers to pay what the mods cost them back when the mods were new.
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

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We have a large pool of officers and their families coming into the area due to 
SOCOM and MacDil AFB being here. Probably a third of my current neighborhood 
consists of active duty officers and retirees. They make for great renters, 
despite the sometime quick changes that can result from reassignments and TDY. 
However, the housing allowance they get is well over what most rents are if 
they have a family, so renting to them is easy and there is always someone 
right behind them if they leave.

My former neighbor across the street has been renting their house to military 
only for the last five years and has only had about 2-3 months out of that time 
with the house unoccupied. We would have gone that route as well had we chosen 
to keep the place and rent.

That being said, I just didn’t want the hassle of being a landlord. That, and 
the last mortgage we had on the place, a 15 year note, would have made for the 
cash flow to be minimal as well. We certainly would have turned a profit after 
taxes and expenses, but not enough that we thought worthwhile. Had we owned the 
place outright or had a lower mortgage payment, it might have been more 
attractive.

-D

> On Dec 19, 2020, at 11:04 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dan writes:
> 
>> It’s these stories that continue to reinforce that deciding to sell off the 
>> former house rather than keep and rent it was a very, very good decision.
> 
> For you, it was probably the best decision. Someone else may have had a 
> successful go at it. Being a landlord is not for everyone. You have to be 
> fair but extremely firm. A bit of a d*ck even. That, and the laws in your 
> locale may not favor landlords or property owners, and the laws can be 
> changed at a politician's whim. The recent moratorium on evictions is a good 
> example. I'm sure some states and municipalities have statutes in place that 
> do not allow winter evictions, so some property owners are going to be out 
> nearly a years rent.
> 
> If I was in Kaleb's shoes, one of those properties would be gone. That said, 
> there may be other reasons he can't currently sell.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

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At the start. Sold for $15k over the listing price, had it under contract in 
less than three days after we listed it. Four offers, three full price. Closed 
in less than 30 days, at the end of March. Used a fixed price listing service 
($700) and only paid the buyer’s agent 2%. You would have been proud.

-D


> On Dec 19, 2020, at 8:18 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Did you sell it before or after the COVID price increase?
> Mitch
> 
> On 2020-12-19 20:01, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> It’s these stories that continue to reinforce that deciding to sell
>> off the former house rather than keep and rent it was a very, very
>> good decision.
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Re: [MBZ] This Looks Decent

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

True, but it looks like a well sorted and maintained example. An SL500 would 
certainly command more, I would think.

-D


> On Dec 19, 2020, at 8:07 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Kinda high for a 320, 500s are going got that kind of $$
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 19, 2020, at 4:07 PM, Daniel Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Pretty reasonably priced:
>> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/largo-mercedes-sl320-imperial-red-creme/7249763972.html
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

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It’s these stories that continue to reinforce that deciding to sell off the 
former house rather than keep and rent it was a very, very good decision.

-D

> On Dec 19, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That's going be a heck of a water bill unless it's on a pump.  After hearing 
> all the horror stories about renters, I feel extremely lucky to have had 3 
> renters over 6 years who generally paid their rent on time and didn't damage 
> anything.
> 
> LarryT
> 
> On 12/17/2020 2:07 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
>> Well now. That should saturate the septic field.
>> Ugh.
>> Sell now.
>> Take the money.
>> Pay off whatever needs paid off.
>> Be done.
>> 
>> If you wait three more years to be "done", you will probably have missed a 
>> golden opportunity to sell.
>> 
>> I think I know why you refuse to sell. I have "been there, done that", so if 
>> you want some friendly knowledgeable advice, shoot me an email off list.
>> 
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Sent: December 17, 2020 12:53 PM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: astrasfo...@gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you
>> 
>> Figure 5 gallons a minute, 300/hr., 3600/day, x 2 weeks = 50,400.
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 12:54 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Let me guess - more fun with the rental?
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>>> How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2
>>> weeks straight?
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Re: [MBZ] Need a car cover

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I’ll probably buy a “newer” car at some point in the future in an effort to 
reduce tinker time, but it won’t be “new”. I’m going to let some other poor 
sucker take the depreciation hit.

-D

> On Dec 19, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2020-12-19 16:20, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Probably. And a loaf of bread was probably under a buck, too.
> 
> In 1989, I bought my first and last new car.
> $5322 out the door (after $1500 rebate, I bought it in August right after the 
> 1990s started hitting the lot)
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Re: [MBZ] W126 300SEL $2,500

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Love these.

Trunk lid on the right side looks hinky. The gap between the lid and fender is 
off.

-D

> On Dec 19, 2020, at 4:27 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Looks not half bad.
> 
> https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/d/cincinnati-1990-mercedes-300sel/7249690829.html
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Need a car cover

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Probably. And a loaf of bread was probably under a buck, too.

-D

> On Dec 19, 2020, at 4:19 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Wasn't Covercraft's top model about $129, back in 1990?
> 
> Mitch.
> 
> On 2020-12-19 16:09, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> I don’t think that’s bad for a custom cover. I would figure around
>> $200 for a decent one depending on the material and vendor. What do
>> you want, some generic cover that fits poorly for $50?
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Re: [MBZ] M112 tore apart

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Looks like an ML (W163).

-D

> On Dec 19, 2020, at 4:09 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> What year is that car, and what model?
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> Dec 19, 2020 2:30:59 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :
> 
>> In case anyone wants to see what I am up to today. Top of a 112 tore apart, 
>> all because of that stupid vacuum line on the front bottom of the intake. 
>> After I removed the intake might as well do everything else. Also attached 
>> is my solution to fixing the vacuum line. Basically shoved a hard line into 
>> it then applied silicone just for good measure.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Need a car cover

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I don’t think that’s bad for a custom cover. I would figure around $200 for a 
decent one depending on the material and vendor. What do you want, some generic 
cover that fits poorly for $50?

-D

> On Dec 19, 2020, at 4:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Getting pricey.
> https://www.covercraft.com/us/en/product/custom-block-it-380-car-cover.C-CCB3?COLORID=TT|CCB3
> 
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 3:56 PM Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
>> Hood Star
>> 
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> Wickford RI
>> 
>> On Sat, Dec 19, 2020, 3:35 PM Andrew Strasfogel 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Cover pocket?  Wazzat?
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 2:27 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Yes mine is breathable.
>>>> 
>>>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>>>> Wickford RI
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Dec 19, 2020, 2:24 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Covercraft. Make it a breathable one if it’s going to be outside.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -D
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 19, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I use a covercraft on my 300CD.  Breathable & they will make STAR
>>>> pocket
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>>>>>> Wickford RI
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 19, 2020, 12:16 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I want to protect my GLK 250 with a car cover this winter while the
>>>>> newly
>>>>>>> derusted/repainted W123 300TD resides in the garage.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> IIRC Covercraft made a nice breathable cover with a slightly spongy
>>>>> texture
>>>>>>> but that was years ago.  Any recommendations?
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Re: [MBZ] Need a car cover

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Covercraft. Make it a breathable one if it’s going to be outside.

-D

> On Dec 19, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I use a covercraft on my 300CD.  Breathable & they will make STAR pocket
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2020, 12:16 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I want to protect my GLK 250 with a car cover this winter while the newly
>> derusted/repainted W123 300TD resides in the garage.
>> 
>> IIRC Covercraft made a nice breathable cover with a slightly spongy texture
>> but that was years ago.  Any recommendations?
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Re: [MBZ] OT Covids vax

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I often refer to my logical fallacies poster when things like this come up:

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/

Excellent means of shutting these sorts of arguments down in short order.

-D

> On Dec 19, 2020, at 11:26 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I take my news where I find it. Are you disputing the facts in the article?
> Seems like direct quotes from the people involved should be pretty reliable.
> 
> They are called logicall fallacies for a reason - they are fallacies. In
> other words, it does not follow that because some things in the NYT are not
> true, that all things in the NYT are not true. This one is known as the ad
> hominem attack, where instead of refuting any facts, someone tries to
> discredit an article because a certain person wrote it, or it was published
> in a certain periodical.
> 
> https://kreativcopywriting.com/10-logical-fallacies-know-spot/
> 
>> On Sat, Dec 19, 2020, 7:04 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Really, you trust the New York Times?  Same paper that swore up and down
>> the Hunter Biden laptop was fake, not a thing, ignore this and move on, and
>> now after the election "oh yeah, the FBI and DOJ are investigating that
>> laptop.  Sorry, our bad."  This is just one of many examples of their
>> bias.  "Russian Collusion" anyone?
>> 
>> No, sorry, NY Times has proven itself to have no credibility at all.  They
>> will print anything and everything to rake in the eyeballs and money.
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 8:49 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Finally got scheduled for the first dose. Tomorrow at 0930.
>>> 
>>> Here's an article about a couple of Trump appointees who were at the CDC
>>> during the whole outbreak. It was obvious to me that the people most
>>> qualified to set the policy were in fact not being allowed to set it. But
>>> this article gives some detail on how that actually transpired:
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/16/us/politics/cdc-trump.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 11:20 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thanks for what you’ve been doing, along with your peers. It is
>>>> appreciated!
>>>> 
>>>> Dan
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 16, 2020, at 2:17 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> We got a shipment yesterday and we are all prioritized now by
>> personal
>>>> and
>>>>> occupational risk factors. So the ICU people doing aerosol-generating
>>>>> procedures and those employees with underlying health and age risk
>>>> factors
>>>>> will get the vaccine first, then anyone working with covid patients,
>>> etc.
>>>>> Maybe by Friday.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 4:46 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Got my second shot Monday in the AZ trial, feeling a bit off last
>>> night
>>>>>> and now. Cheated and got an antibody test a coupla weeks ago,
>> negative
>>>>>> although I had a rxn then too. Will go get another test next week to
>>>> see if
>>>>>> I got the real deal or placebo. 2/3 chance for the real deal in this
>>>> trial.
>>>>>> If I got the placebo at some point soon I’ll get the real vax from
>>> them.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> COVID-19 vaccine trial participants across SC describe their
>>> experiences
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> https://www.postandcourier.com/features/covid-19-vaccine-trial-participants-across-sc-describe-their-experiences/article_08542a32-399e-11eb-bb58-e757d49d81f1.html
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - The Vietnam War Series by Ken Burns

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Watched the first episode last night. Wife had seen it already and said I would 
be pissed after I saw it. I was. Why couldn’t the French have just left them 
alone after WWII and ditched the colonialism thing? The Vietnamese were all 
ready to do their own thing as they had in the past, no need for some other 
nation state to stand over them and tell them how things are done.

Like most of Ken Burns’ stuff, it was well done. Looking forward to the next 
episode.

-D

> On Dec 18, 2020, at 10:25 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My father came back pretty messed up in the head.  I have had a lot of people 
> who knew him before he went and they say he came back a completely different 
> person.
> 
> On 12/18/2020 2:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> As I was alive at the time and recall a lot of the evening news aspects, I 
>> was too young to fully grasp what was going on. I had friends in school 
>> who’s older brothers were over there and came back pretty messed up in the 
>> head.
>> 
>> I’m interested mainly in the stuff leading up to the war and what was up 
>> with the French bailing out. The rest should be good, too, I was just 
>> wondering.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:45 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's very good.  I "watched" most of the first part from the kitchen while 
>>> Mom had it on the TV, I don't have good memories from those days.
>>> 
>>> Well worth the time, Burns is a good historian and very neutral.  I felt a 
>>> great deal of stress relief after watching it, believe it or not.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vax fun

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

We were both convinced we had it in February, as we had sore throats, flu-like 
symptoms, etc. I did an antibody test in August or September and it was 
negative, so I’m guessing that means I didn’t have it.

-D

> On Dec 18, 2020, at 11:38 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mitch Haley via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> This was back in May, when standard treatment was 'go ahead and feel 
>> like crap until it runs its course, and call an ambulance if you're 
>> dying'
> 
> I think that's still the treatment. Two of my boys had it, one brought
> it home from school at Thanksgiving break, the other presumably got it
> from him. They tested positive for COVID but had mild cases, worst of it
> was a sore throat that felt like strep for a couple of days.
> 
> I have been supplementing Vitamin D, C, and Zinc since March, for
> whatever that has been worth, I never developed any symptoms. We didn't
> take any particular precautions in the house, though the sick ones spent
> most of their time in their rooms.
> 
> I still suspect I may have had it back in late January. I came down with
> a weird cough that lasted about a week. A fair number of international
> students including Chinese work in my office, and no doubt some had been
> home during the Christmas break.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Replacement battery 2014 GLK 250 Bluetec

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’ve done it at Advance Auto when I couldn’t figure out exactly what it was I 
needed. Sit there for a few minutes until the order comes through the system. 
Worth every penny.

-D

> On Dec 18, 2020, at 7:30 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have done that while standing in front of the product
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 6:43 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hint:  If you buy a Walmart battery, but it online for in-store pickup.
>> Last time I got one I saw a good price online and just went to the store to
>> pick one up.  When they "rang it up" the cost was almost double the online
>> price.  If I had had any sense I would have cancelled that sale, ordered one
>> on my cell phone, and then walked to the pickup area.  Lesson learned.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Mitch Haley via Mercedes
>> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 2:14 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: mi...@mitchellhaley.com
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Replacement battery 2014 GLK 250 Bluetec
>> 
>> This seems like a deal, if you can find one in stock and if it has the right
>> terminal configuration.
>> https://www.walmart.com/ip/EverStart-Platinum-AGM-Battery-Group-Size-65-12V-
>> 750-CCA/841832089
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Re: [MBZ] OT - The Vietnam War Series by Ken Burns

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Agreed. As I mentioned, I had some school buddies who’s older brothers were 
over there, and when they came back some of them were pretty messed up. I 
worked for one of them when I pumped gas a few months in high school, and this 
guy was a real hum dinger. He couldn’t handle stress at all. We weren’t allowed 
to have more than a certain amount of cash on us at any time, so if you 
collected a number of sales and were over the limit you were supposed to make a 
drop in the safe. During rush hour he would get so worked up about having to 
make drops after nearly every sale that he would end up going into the office 
and locking himself in there so he could calm down. We would be pumping gas and 
not able to make change in some instances because we would need to get change 
from him.

One of my best friends is a Vietnam vet. He was a photographer for the Army, 
and while he saw some action he wasn’t in the really nasty stuff according to 
him. Good guy, pretty stable from what I’ve seen over 20 some years, but he’s 
got some personality traits that I suspect are either a result of his service 
or that he’s a hard core New Yorker - tough to make the distinction.

-D

> On Dec 18, 2020, at 5:27 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I watched it when it was on PBS, it was pretty good but made me angry and 
> frustrated. Such a waste. 
> 
> I worked summers after HS and in college at the airport at a FBO. We had one 
> pilot who flew charters, he was a few years older than me and had been there. 
> We would hang out in the evenings when things were slow. One night we were 
> talking and he had this flashback episode like he was back there and reliving 
> this incident.  It was scary, he didn’t get violent or anything, but it was 
> incredibly emotional and very difficult for him. Bad sh*t happened there. I 
> felt really bad for him. Nobody had the term PTSD back then but that was 
> clearly what was going on for him. 
> 
> On another interesting note — Uncle Ho supposedly worked in a Chinese 
> restaurant in FWA for awhile before he went back and became a revolutionary. 
> Several people told me this. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:55 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> As I was alive at the time and recall a lot of the evening news aspects, I 
>> was too young to fully grasp what was going on. I had friends in school 
>> who’s older brothers were over there and came back pretty messed up in the 
>> head. 
>> 
>> I’m interested mainly in the stuff leading up to the war and what was up 
>> with the French bailing out. The rest should be good, too, I was just 
>> wondering.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:45 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's very good.  I "watched" most of the first part from the kitchen while 
>>> Mom had it on the TV, I don't have good memories from those days.
>>> 
>>> Well worth the time, Burns is a good historian and very neutral.  I felt a 
>>> great deal of stress relief after watching it, believe it or not.  
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Re: [MBZ] Faux Tucker for a fraction of the cost

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A high school buddy used to be a “junior” curator at the 500 Speedway museum. 
He talked about how they were really picky about donations of cars, no matter 
what they were, because they almost always came with some sort of demands or 
requirements from the owner. Things like how they would be displayed, whether 
or not the museum could sell them in the future, etc., etc. He said that in 
some cases when they accepted donations of multiple vehicles it could get 
dicey, because some could be real clunkers requiring substantial restoration 
($$$) that weren’t of much value or interest to the collection.

He’s not there any more, which is too bad, as he would be a good resource for 
the ones they’ve been actively auctioning off some of the collection from the 
“vault” (their underground storage garage that’s not part of the public view) 
on BaT of late. Too many cars, not enough space, storing and maintaining them 
costs money and takes away from the restoration and maintenance of cars that 
are more closely related to the subject of the museum.

-D


> On Dec 18, 2020, at 12:38 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Tucker's nephew thought it belonged in a museum, so he bought it and gave it 
> to a museum, which subsequently sold it back into the private market?
> I bet if he gave it to Gilmore instead of Yipsy it'd still be in a museum.
> 
> On 2020-12-18 11:03, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> of the genuine article on BAT.  You could fool/impress many of your friends.
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1948-tucker-model-48-movie-car/
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Re: [MBZ] OT - The Vietnam War Series by Ken Burns

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

As I was alive at the time and recall a lot of the evening news aspects, I was 
too young to fully grasp what was going on. I had friends in school who’s older 
brothers were over there and came back pretty messed up in the head. 

I’m interested mainly in the stuff leading up to the war and what was up with 
the French bailing out. The rest should be good, too, I was just wondering.

Thanks!

-D

> On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:45 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It's very good.  I "watched" most of the first part from the kitchen while 
> Mom had it on the TV, I don't have good memories from those days.
> 
> Well worth the time, Burns is a good historian and very neutral.  I felt a 
> great deal of stress relief after watching it, believe it or not.  
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Re: [MBZ] Battery desulfator

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Read this thread at the 500E forum. There are a couple of people there who have 
come close ot making careers over reviewing and understanding when these things 
do.

https://www.500eboard.co/forums/threads/battery-maintainer-recommendations.14521/
 


-D

> On Dec 18, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I presume that idea of these things is to take an old dead battery and 
> resurrect it by cleaning off the sulfur gunk off the plates?  I got plenty of 
> test subjects sitting around.
> 
> I see this 1A model for 
> https://www.amazon.com/NOCO-GENIUS1-Fully-Automatic-Temperature-Compensation/dp/B07W46BX31
>  for $29.50 and a 2A for $54, 5A for $65.  I guess the idea is to put it on a 
> battery and leave it for some extended period while it does its magic?  So 
> the smaller one will just take longer to work?
> 
> -- 
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Weather

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Sorry to hear that, Bob. At least now she’ll be close by so your family can 
keep tabs on her.

-D

> On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:23 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 74 and stupid humid here in Donna, Texas. And windy AF.  Just about have all 
> my ma-in-law’s stuff loaded in the uhaul and the golf cart is secured in the 
> trailer. Putting her on a plane in the morning, youngest daughter is picking 
> her up and SWMBO and I will start on the drive back to AZ. She will be about 
> 5 minutes away in her retirement community apartment. 
> Sold her park model she’s lived in for 3o years and her car in one day’s 
> time. Dispersed her things among Goodwill, trailer park garage sale, 
> dumpster, and what she wants in her AZ apt.
> Sepsis is a bitch. Took a vital 85 year old and stomped her in the dirt. 
> Almost instantly she cannot be on her own anymore. 
> 
> Bob R
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 2:03 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Heck, Indy was close to 60F last week. I know it’s colder now, but 
>> still…I’ll be up there the week after Xmas, so I’m prepared. As long as it’s 
>> sunny, I can deal with the cold. Just hate the overcast.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 2:56 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That ain't Indy.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Sent: December 18, 2020 12:38 PM
>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Weather
>>> 
>>> 42F when I went out this morning at 5:00. Kitty went out on the lanai for 
>>> his morning prowl and came back quite fluffy.
>>> 
>>> Up to 52F or so at lunchtime. Nice and sunny, which is all I care about.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 8:04 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On 2020-12-17 20:37, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>> Just outside of DC: 1" snow followed by 1" cold rain, then polished off
>>>>> with another 0.5" *soupcon* of snow.  Oh The Humanity.
>>>> 
>>>> Here in MI, got almost an inch of dry powder a couple of days ago.
>>>> My driveway is snow covered and hard underneath, but yesterday the dirt 
>>>> road was wet and muddy.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Weather

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I can deal with that. The cold doesn’t bother me. I just hate the gloomy stuff. 
And when it’s sunny and clear up there this time of year, the sky is so blue 
and intense it’s amazing. One thing I like about winter (up north.)

-D

> On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:33 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Forecast for next Friday, 8 for the low, 19 high. But sunny!
> 
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Heck, Indy was close to 60F last week. I know it’s colder now, but 
>> still…I’ll be up there the week after Xmas, so I’m prepared. As long as it’s 
>> sunny, I can deal with the cold. Just hate the overcast.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 2:56 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That ain't Indy.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
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[MBZ] OT - The Vietnam War Series by Ken Burns

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Has anyone watched this series by Ken Burns? I have seen bits and pieces of it 
but wasn’t sure the whole thing was worth watching, since it’s like 12 hours 
long.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Priority for receiving the vaccine

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It’s paywalled. I guess I’m behind everyone then, unless I buy a subscription 
to the NYT?

-D

> On Dec 18, 2020, at 1:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I completed a NY Times questionnaire to determine my place in line to
> receive the coronavirus vaccine.
> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/03/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-timeline.html
> 
> It generated the following response:
> 
> "Based on your risk profile, we believe you’re in line behind *118.5
> million *people across the United States.
> 
> When it comes to *Maryland*, we think you’re behind *2.2 million* others
> who are at higher risk in your state.
> 
> And in *Montgomery County*, you’re behind *304,800* others."
> 
> I had no idea I was so relatively invulnerable.
> 
> As an incentive to complete the questionnaire, I will send a jar of pepper
> jelly to whoever has the documented highest priority/lowest number of
> people ahead in line.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Weather

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Heck, Indy was close to 60F last week. I know it’s colder now, but still…I’ll 
be up there the week after Xmas, so I’m prepared. As long as it’s sunny, I can 
deal with the cold. Just hate the overcast.

-D

> On Dec 18, 2020, at 2:56 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That ain't Indy.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: December 18, 2020 12:38 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Weather
> 
> 42F when I went out this morning at 5:00. Kitty went out on the lanai for his 
> morning prowl and came back quite fluffy.
> 
> Up to 52F or so at lunchtime. Nice and sunny, which is all I care about.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 8:04 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On 2020-12-17 20:37, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Just outside of DC: 1" snow followed by 1" cold rain, then polished off
>>> with another 0.5" *soupcon* of snow.  Oh The Humanity.
>> 
>> Here in MI, got almost an inch of dry powder a couple of days ago.
>> My driveway is snow covered and hard underneath, but yesterday the dirt road 
>> was wet and muddy.
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb needs this historic vehicle

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And that’s why I would consider buying one, as well as one of the Ford hybrids. 
I can’t do a fully electric car as my daily mileage if I’m driving just for a 
commute I’m approaching that 50 mile mark.

Ford is dumping sedans, so their Fusion “Energi” can be had for cheap.

-D

> On Dec 18, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2020-12-18 13:27, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Thought about you on the way home fro the office today, I was behind a
>> Volt on the Crosstown Expressway. They were keeping up pretty well.
> 
> A Volt is a Cruze with a non-turbo engine and a fair sized battery and some 
> minor aero improvements.
> 
> I know a couple of guys who switched from Cruze to Volt and loved it, but I 
> keep coming back to the fact that the Volt is about 500lb heavier and 
> noticeably slower, combined with the fact that I could never make up the 
> difference in purchase price on fuel savings. But they're thrilled with their 
> '200mpg fuel consumption', and say the smooth ride and quietness on e-power 
> are worth it.
> 
> At least it allows normal people (under 50 miles per day) to drive an 
> electric car, while still retaining the ability to go 400 miles on a tank of 
> gas when they travel long distances.
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb needs this historic vehicle

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Thought about you on the way home fro the office today, I was behind a Volt on 
the Crosstown Expressway. They were keeping up pretty well.

Love the Buick. I’m a sucker for late 30s/early 40s sedans with the “hump” 
trunk. Those things are massive inside.

-D

> On Dec 18, 2020, at 1:00 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2020-12-18 11:01, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> And in gratitude for his service we should all pitch in so he can own it.
>> I'll spot the first $5.  Who's next?
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-mercedes-benz-600-2/
> 
> How much would you pay to put Dan in a Buick?
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1936-buick-century/
> 
> I'll take a Barracuda, or maybe a Healey 3000
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-plymouth-barracuda-12/
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-austin-healey-3000-bt7-4-seat-roadster-20/
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Replacement battery 2014 GLK 250 Bluetec

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It’s worth it. Pay the money, let them assume the risk and move on. It will 
also get you into the spend where you’re eligible for roadside assistance, too, 
I believe.

-D

> On Dec 18, 2020, at 2:22 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> They quoted me $345 including $95 for installation.
> 
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 2:20 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> The dealership battery is a good deal and they’ll probably even install it
>> for you, allowing you to avoid having to reset everything.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My OEM battery is finally fading out after 7 years of use and 138K miles.
>>> It's a German Varta.  Does anybody still sell these?  Any other
>>> recommendations?  The replacement dealership Mercedes battery costs $235
>>> and has a 2 year warranty.
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Re: [MBZ] Replacement battery 2014 GLK 250 Bluetec

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The dealership battery is a good deal and they’ll probably even install it for 
you, allowing you to avoid having to reset everything.

-D

> On Dec 18, 2020, at 12:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> 
> My OEM battery is finally fading out after 7 years of use and 138K miles.
> It's a German Varta.  Does anybody still sell these?  Any other
> recommendations?  The replacement dealership Mercedes battery costs $235
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Weather

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

42F when I went out this morning at 5:00. Kitty went out on the lanai for his 
morning prowl and came back quite fluffy.

Up to 52F or so at lunchtime. Nice and sunny, which is all I care about.

-D

> On Dec 18, 2020, at 8:04 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2020-12-17 20:37, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> Just outside of DC: 1" snow followed by 1" cold rain, then polished off
>> with another 0.5" *soupcon* of snow.  Oh The Humanity.
> 
> Here in MI, got almost an inch of dry powder a couple of days ago.
> My driveway is snow covered and hard underneath, but yesterday the dirt road 
> was wet and muddy.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Interesting Satellite Tech

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It predates drones. There have been third party services that use Google Earth 
and other photo mapping services to look for changes to buildings and property. 
They sell the data to municipalities for identifying changes to properties.

The county I lived in Indiana back in 2008-2011 used a survey service for the 
property appraiser like this to bust people for improvements to their property. 
I had a neighbor who put up a garden shed and within about three months they 
got a notice of reassessment. I believe they also got busted for not getting a 
permit, too. Of course, someone for the county could have taken notice or a 
neighbor could have ratted them out, too.

-D

> On Dec 18, 2020, at 8:18 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That’s already happening with “drones” surveilling properties for tax 
> violations 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 8:04 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> That's pretty nasty.  I wonder if a jammer would be illegal.  Funny how
>> they try to couch the capability as something benign, that scientist will
>> use to "save the earth", but they also do talk about military use.  Now
>> imagine your local tax auditor or county building code enforcement uses
>> this to inspect your property and notify you that your new shed is out of
>> code, or your property taxes are going up because the value of your
>> property is higher than they thought.  Even worse, you own a very nice
>> piece of property in the country, and some enviro wackos decide you've got
>> some protected species that only they can protect adequately and you end up
>> fighting off The State and lawsuits and all kinds of harassment, because
>> your privacy can be invaded at any time.
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
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>>> https://futurism.com/new-satellite-buildings-day-night
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Jeremy Clarkson test drives a Tesla model X

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Just watched Man Lab season 3, episode 1. Sort of quirky, but engaging. The 
pizza oven build wasn’t that great, but calling the national steeplechase was 
pretty interesting. The wine tasting segment sort of reminds me of the series 
that had the two guys who sent the doofus buddy out in the world to do stupid 
stuff.

Unlike much of what I have watched lately, I don’t feel like I want my time 
back after it was over, so that’s a good thing.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 6:47 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Very enjoyable.  He has a baking series also.
> 
> Clay
> 
> 
> inter urinas et faeces nascimur
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:51 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> "Man Lab" is another good James May show, its available on Amazon prime 
>> video. Its not "Wuthering Heights" but a fun, light little show.
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] wow Mercedes 450SE,$9,800

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Unusual color combination. Needs more pictures. Nice looking car.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 4:58 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is gorgeous, looks brand new
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/208022420820641
> 
> -- 
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Statins

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

One of those drug company salespeople used to be married to my neighbor across 
the street. I always enjoyed watching her come out to her car every weekday 
morning in her short dress and F-me pumps on her way out to make calls.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 4:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> One reason I dislike my cardiologist is that he says things like "Everybody 
> should be on a statin" but can point to zero statistical evidence to back up 
> his claim. I think a lot of doctors prescribe them because the drug companies 
> tell them how important it is at their weekly lunch...
> I'm not saying doctors are bought by drug companies but when Angie rented 
> space from a doctor I got to eat an awful lot of drug company food.
> 
> -Curt
> 
>On Thursday, December 17, 2020, 4:11:30 PM EST, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> I don't recall anyone in the family having very high cholesterol, I 
> think my dad might have been high but that was because he was a meat 
> man, although in later days he went with oatmeal for brekkie in an 
> attempt to cut down on the bacon sausage and egg contribution.  In any 
> case mine was just a tad "high" so not a huge concern, but if it can be 
> pushed down I guess that is not unreasonable.  I do not have a great 
> affection for meds though, that is the only other one I take so not like 
> I have a pharmacy in the cabinet.  I guess one's body changes as age 
> progresses, I never had any issues until recently so I guess that is 
> what it is as I have not changed my lifestyle much other than to eat 
> less meat, which should be a positive thing.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 12/17/20 1:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> There was a guy I worked with at Kohler some years back who was the textbook 
>> version of a healthy man, exercised regularly, was at or near his proper 
>> weight, BMI was excellent, ate healthy, but he had a history of heart 
>> disease in his family. As a result he was on statins back in the day when 
>> they were pretty new (1990s?) I just recall him telling me what his 
>> cholesterol numbers were, and they were stupid crazy (high). Apparently it 
>> was a genetic thing and there wasn’t a lot he could do about it short of 
>> pharmacological interventions.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 1:25 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I went to the doc for a checkup a few months ago, had not been for a coupla 
>>> years I think but needed to re-up a prescription and he wouldn't do it 
>>> until got all the blood work, etc.  So he says my cholesterol is a bit 
>>> high, just sorta over the "normal" level. I don't eat much meat, lots of 
>>> veg and fish mostly, I do indulge in a bit of butter and occasional ice 
>>> cream but not a lot.  So not really an unhealthful diet compared to most 
>>> people I see eating all kinds of crap.  Fairly active physically too, not 
>>> really overweight at all (although that Covid-19 seems to be settling along 
>>> my waist...) He told me not to do what I don't do, so that was not 
>>> particularly helpful.
>>> 
>>> It was kinda curious but maybe it is genetic or something, or age-related 
>>> as I have progressed in that aspect...  Anyway he set me up with some 
>>> statin, kinda the lowest dose, to see if it made any difference.  I have 
>>> not noticed any physical reactions.  Dr. Boy was not particularly concerned 
>>> about it so that is another data point.  I guess next time I go see the doc 
>>> I will get another blood workup and see if it made any difference.
>>> 
>>> I have not changed much in diet or exercise so I guess it will be a 
>>> interesting test to see what effect it has.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>>> On 12/16/20 12:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> My internist wants me to take statins
>>> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] Jeremy Clarkson test drives a Tesla model X

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

“James May is a moron”

I liked that part of the Tesla review.

But yes, I agree, Clarkson can be a d*ck at times. May seems far more likable.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 3:26 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There is a cooking show that just popped up on Amazon that James May has 
> made, it is quite entertaining.  He sorta bumbles through making dishes and 
> the whole production is not "polished." Clarkson is rather insufferable, May 
> seems like the guy to work on cars with while drinking beer.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 12/17/20 3:09 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> I like the car full of lawyers.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXvIzWhEWvA
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

What do you mean by “cross check”? Are you just wanting to compare your 
readings with the power company’s?

“Sense” is probably the latest and the best from a consumer standpoint if you 
want accuracy and lots of features.

https://tinyurl.com/yajpxty4 

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 4:01 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Anyone know a good way to cross check a power meter? There was a device you
> clamped to your mains at one point, but havent seen it advertised for
> awhile.
> 
> I just have a feeling power company is overcharging everyone.
> 
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 12:58 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Let’s just say that I got stuck with a $6000 water sewer bill one year
>> because of a running toilet in a rental property.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2
>> weeks straight?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Statins

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

And make candles with the leftovers.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 2:09 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Allan, so this means I can go back to eating beef tallow sandwiches with
>> impunity?
> 
> Go back? 
> 
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Jeremy Clarkson test drives a Tesla model X

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I like the car full of lawyers.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXvIzWhEWvA
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Re: [MBZ] This is not political, but a serious question, if you can’t handle it then hit delete

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Well stated, Scott, and I would concur.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 1:32 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There are about 3000 counties in the US which generally conduct independent 
> elections under elected supervisor of election.  The main alleged problems 
> are only 6-10 counties.  Excellent election integrity in the vast number of 
> counties tells us nothing about those problem counties.   As far as I am 
> concerned, any county that stopped counting election night is suspect.  Any 
> county where vast numbers of unbalanced ballots arrived in the wee hours is 
> suspect.  Any county where observers were obstructed is suspect.  Any county 
> that counted without observers is suspect.  None of this is physical proof 
> but the "suspects" had complete control of the physical evidence since the 
> election and we KNOW at least some of that evidence was destroyed.  We have 
> sworn eyewitness statements attesting to MANY "irregularities", a euphemism 
> for crimes.
> 
> In 2000 I looked hard at our local election system in Okaloosa County, FL and 
> my conclusions there concur with Dan's.  But that tells me nothing about 
> Philadelphia, Atlanta, etc. and nothing about an election with universal 
> unsolicited mail-in ballots.
> 
> If our election system is corrupted, especially if by foreign powers, that 
> supersedes ALL partisan political considerations.
> 
> Scott
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 8:23 AM
> To: Okie Benz 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is not political, but a serious question, if you 
> can’t handle it then hit delete
> 
> It’s not. I’ve worked the elections both here and in two other states I’ve 
> lived in for over 40 years. I’ve worked elections since I was 16 years old 
> and the days of the voting machines with the curtains and little levers. My 
> father was a precinct committeeman and working elections was expected of all 
> of us kids, and most of us have continued that effort since.
> 
> The “check in” station you mention is connected to a secure network that is 
> used to access the voter rolls. It’s not on the “Internet”, it’s an end to 
> end, encrypted, tunneled connection to the SOE which can be a hard wired or 
> wifi connection. This is common practice and is configured and set up well in 
> advance to maintain the security of that data. One of my teams is charged 
> with testing and verification of these connections prior to the elections. 
> The ballot printers are a part of this system.
> 
> The scanners are purely stand-alone devices and have no connectivity.
> 
> Counts are typically moved from the scanners to the polling system via secure 
> memory cards that are encrypted. Some scanners also have the capability of 
> printing out results on a paper tape, like an adding machine. The numbers, 
> after being reconciled, are either transmitted to the supervisor of 
> elections’ via the local client at the polling place or the data can be hand 
> carried (in a secure, chain of custody strongbox) back to the SOE (which is 
> how they get back there anyway, along with the paper ballots.)
> 
> Anyone who has worked the polls has been exposed to these processes and 
> procedures used to guarantee the integrity of the elections. It’s certainly 
> different from one state or municipality to the other, but the general 
> approach is the same. It’s highly controlled and closely audited. Again, it’s 
> not perfect, but the claims of widespread, massive voter fraud are gross 
> misstatements.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 7:46 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Dan, I'm afraid your experience is limited.  Here in SC, the voting 
>> machines were connected to the internet.  Drove me nuts.  I'm quite 
>> sure the same could be true in other states, that certainly has been 
>> reported in the press, and the "glitches" that always seemed to switch 
>> votes in one direction (from Trump to Biden) point to the need for a 
>> thorough forensic audit so we can be sure the right candidate really won.
>> 
>> Our system is similar to what many of you described: one machine where 
>> you 'vote' which creates a paper ballot, and then the voter takes 
>> their ballot (which they can review to make sure it is correct) and 
>> feeds it into the scanner, which counts the vote.  Locally, at each 
>> polling place, the scanner totals are printed out after the last vote, 
>> and the total number of votes cast is compared to the number of voters 
>> who came into the polling place.  If those two numbers don't match, 
>> th

Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

You are into some serious self abuse, buddy. Take Rick’s advice, cut and run.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 2:07 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yep
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Let me guess - more fun with the rental?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2 weeks 
>>> straight?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] This is not political, but a serious question, if you can?t handle it then hit delete

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yeah, I think things have run their course and could be continued elsewhere if 
people choose to do so.

And Kaleb got his answer.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> Dan,
> Time to pull plug on this political stuff?
> Dwight
> 
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 1:27 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> Roger, don’t put words in my mouth, we both know that’s not what I said. 
> Rather than obfuscate try dropping the sarcasm and accept that I gave 
> examples based on my experience working the polls in several states for a 
> significant amount of time. I didn’t claim my experience to be exhaustive, I 
> merely drew upon many decades of direct experience. In how many elections 
> have you been a poll worker?
> 
> And I don’t trust computers - I verify. That’s why there are paper copies. 
> I’ve been around since computers have been in general use as well, even at 
> the polls. For what it’s worth, I worked the 2000 election in Florida, 
> complete with “hanging chads”, too.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Dec 17, 2020, at 7:56 AM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes  > <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Dan,
> > I feel much better now knowing that you speak for all voting in the entire 
> > USA...NOT.  Thumb drives floated around in Fulton County where the votes 
> > changed by several hundred thousand.  Observers were obstructed.  Votes 
> > were counted after observers were sent home under the guise of a water main 
> > break which was really a bathroom leak early in the day.  Then votes were 
> > counted after the observers left.  Even CNN in their live feed showed 
> > massive vote swings in PA as well.  Did you EVER see vote counts go down?  
> > I haven't.  I'm glad you trust computers, but having been around them since 
> > they were first put into general use, I know the old adage "garbage in 
> > garbage out" still applies.
> > Regards,
> > Roger
> > 
> > Roger Hale
> > Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Statins

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

There was a guy I worked with at Kohler some years back who was the textbook 
version of a healthy man, exercised regularly, was at or near his proper 
weight, BMI was excellent, ate healthy, but he had a history of heart disease 
in his family. As a result he was on statins back in the day when they were 
pretty new (1990s?) I just recall him telling me what his cholesterol numbers 
were, and they were stupid crazy (high). Apparently it was a genetic thing and 
there wasn’t a lot he could do about it short of pharmacological interventions.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 1:25 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I went to the doc for a checkup a few months ago, had not been for a coupla 
> years I think but needed to re-up a prescription and he wouldn't do it until 
> got all the blood work, etc.  So he says my cholesterol is a bit high, just 
> sorta over the "normal" level. I don't eat much meat, lots of veg and fish 
> mostly, I do indulge in a bit of butter and occasional ice cream but not a 
> lot.  So not really an unhealthful diet compared to most people I see eating 
> all kinds of crap.  Fairly active physically too, not really overweight at 
> all (although that Covid-19 seems to be settling along my waist...) He told 
> me not to do what I don't do, so that was not particularly helpful.
> 
> It was kinda curious but maybe it is genetic or something, or age-related as 
> I have progressed in that aspect...  Anyway he set me up with some statin, 
> kinda the lowest dose, to see if it made any difference.  I have not noticed 
> any physical reactions.  Dr. Boy was not particularly concerned about it so 
> that is another data point.  I guess next time I go see the doc I will get 
> another blood workup and see if it made any difference.
> 
> I have not changed much in diet or exercise so I guess it will be a 
> interesting test to see what effect it has.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 12/16/20 12:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> My internist wants me to take statins
> 
> -- 
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> 
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Re: [MBZ] This is not political, but a serious question, if you can?t handle it then hit delete

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Roger, don’t put words in my mouth, we both know that’s not what I said. Rather 
than obfuscate try dropping the sarcasm and accept that I gave examples based 
on my experience working the polls in several states for a significant amount 
of time. I didn’t claim my experience to be exhaustive, I merely drew upon many 
decades of direct experience. In how many elections have you been a poll worker?

And I don’t trust computers - I verify. That’s why there are paper copies. I’ve 
been around since computers have been in general use as well, even at the 
polls. For what it’s worth, I worked the 2000 election in Florida, complete 
with “hanging chads”, too.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 7:56 AM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dan,
> I feel much better now knowing that you speak for all voting in the entire 
> USA...NOT.  Thumb drives floated around in Fulton County where the votes 
> changed by several hundred thousand.  Observers were obstructed.  Votes were 
> counted after observers were sent home under the guise of a water main break 
> which was really a bathroom leak early in the day.  Then votes were counted 
> after the observers left.  Even CNN in their live feed showed massive vote 
> swings in PA as well.  Did you EVER see vote counts go down?  I haven't.  I'm 
> glad you trust computers, but having been around them since they were first 
> put into general use, I know the old adage "garbage in garbage out" still 
> applies.
> Regards,
> Roger
> 
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Statins

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Better yet:

https://youtu.be/0RD49DYTlrk?t=247 <https://youtu.be/0RD49DYTlrk?t=247>

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> https://i.redd.it/viya2ij22yz31.jpg <https://i.redd.it/viya2ij22yz31.jpg>
> 
> I can make apple slices for myself...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Thursday, December 17, 2020, 12:21:32 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I would suggest not. Just do what I do and avoid the fries and get apple 
> slices instead.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Is there any health risk to NEVER eating at a fast food restaurant?
> > 
> > On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 12:11 PM OK Don via Mercedes  > <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> The whole medical industry gets really excited about small changes in
> >> outcomes that other sectors would regard as statistical noise. The
> >> reduction in deaths due to colonoscopies for example - talk about a
> >> solution looking for a problem (at what cost to the consumers?) ...
> >> 
> >> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 10:25 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Allan, so this means I can go back to eating beef tallow sandwiches with
> >>> impunity?
> >>> 
> >>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 12:37 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> The whole debacle that was the crusade to get McDonald's to switch from
> >>>> beef tallow to vegetable oil was led by a wealthy activist named Phil
> >>>> Sokolof who had no qualifications or training in medicine or
> >>>> nutrition. He had survived a heart attack and became convinced that
> >>>> cholesterol was a great evil that needed to be removed from the food
> >>>> chain. He started running full-page ads in major markets attacking
> >>>> McDonald's and their french fries.
> >>>> 
> >>>> In what has to be one of the greatest ironies/tragedies in the history
> >>>> of pop nutrition, McDonalds eventually caved, and started using a blend
> >>>> of hydrogenated vegetable oils to cook the fries. You may remember that
> >>>> the tables and door handles at McDonald's all started to become
> >> "sticky"
> >>>> around that time, because the hydrogenated fry oil particles in the air
> >>>> become a sort of a tacky plastic when they settle on surfaces and
> >>>> oxidize. Imagine that circulating in your arteries.
> >>>> 
> >>>> The french fries became cholesterol-free but they were now loaded with
> >>>> trans-fats. And the public was convinced that they were now *healthier*
> >>>> fries, so they ate more of them and that's also right around the time
> >>>> that the huge "super size" portions started.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Allan
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  >>>> <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> writes:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> My doctor buddy the other day was telling me about some study that
> >>>>> when people where fed French fries cooked in beef tallow they ate way
> >>>>> less than fries cooked in veg oil. Something about the body telling
> >>>>> you that you are full on the beef but it takes much longer to get the
> >>>>> response from the veg oil.
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Let me guess - more fun with the rental?

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2 weeks 
> straight?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] The world will never be without Diesel!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Nothing?

I’m enjoying it.

< grin >



> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:21 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> don't recall where I came by this, but enjoy --
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Statins

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I would suggest not. Just do what I do and avoid the fries and get apple slices 
instead.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is there any health risk to NEVER eating at a fast food restaurant?
> 
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 12:11 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> The whole medical industry gets really excited about small changes in
>> outcomes that other sectors would regard as statistical noise. The
>> reduction in deaths due to colonoscopies for example - talk about a
>> solution looking for a problem (at what cost to the consumers?) ...
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 10:25 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Allan, so this means I can go back to eating beef tallow sandwiches with
>>> impunity?
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 12:37 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 The whole debacle that was the crusade to get McDonald's to switch from
 beef tallow to vegetable oil was led by a wealthy activist named Phil
 Sokolof who had no qualifications or training in medicine or
 nutrition. He had survived a heart attack and became convinced that
 cholesterol was a great evil that needed to be removed from the food
 chain. He started running full-page ads in major markets attacking
 McDonald's and their french fries.
 
 In what has to be one of the greatest ironies/tragedies in the history
 of pop nutrition, McDonalds eventually caved, and started using a blend
 of hydrogenated vegetable oils to cook the fries. You may remember that
 the tables and door handles at McDonald's all started to become
>> "sticky"
 around that time, because the hydrogenated fry oil particles in the air
 become a sort of a tacky plastic when they settle on surfaces and
 oxidize. Imagine that circulating in your arteries.
 
 The french fries became cholesterol-free but they were now loaded with
 trans-fats. And the public was convinced that they were now *healthier*
 fries, so they ate more of them and that's also right around the time
 that the huge "super size" portions started.
 
 Allan
 
 
 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
 
> My doctor buddy the other day was telling me about some study that
> when people where fed French fries cooked in beef tallow they ate way
> less than fries cooked in veg oil. Something about the body telling
> you that you are full on the beef but it takes much longer to get the
> response from the veg oil.
 
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>> 
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>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> 
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>> Wernher
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Statins

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

In that particular situation I think it’s more a matter that colon cancer is 
very slow to progress and not something who’s symptoms are noticed until it’s 
at an advanced stage. Considering that there’s a 10 year span between 
recommended checks I don’t see it being a major expense for the population as a 
whole (no pun intended, of course!)

-D who has one coming up in a couple of years

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:10 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The whole medical industry gets really excited about small changes in
> outcomes that other sectors would regard as statistical noise. The
> reduction in deaths due to colonoscopies for example - talk about a
> solution looking for a problem (at what cost to the consumers?) ...
> 
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 10:25 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Allan, so this means I can go back to eating beef tallow sandwiches with
>> impunity?
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 12:37 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> The whole debacle that was the crusade to get McDonald's to switch from
>>> beef tallow to vegetable oil was led by a wealthy activist named Phil
>>> Sokolof who had no qualifications or training in medicine or
>>> nutrition. He had survived a heart attack and became convinced that
>>> cholesterol was a great evil that needed to be removed from the food
>>> chain. He started running full-page ads in major markets attacking
>>> McDonald's and their french fries.
>>> 
>>> In what has to be one of the greatest ironies/tragedies in the history
>>> of pop nutrition, McDonalds eventually caved, and started using a blend
>>> of hydrogenated vegetable oils to cook the fries. You may remember that
>>> the tables and door handles at McDonald's all started to become "sticky"
>>> around that time, because the hydrogenated fry oil particles in the air
>>> become a sort of a tacky plastic when they settle on surfaces and
>>> oxidize. Imagine that circulating in your arteries.
>>> 
>>> The french fries became cholesterol-free but they were now loaded with
>>> trans-fats. And the public was convinced that they were now *healthier*
>>> fries, so they ate more of them and that's also right around the time
>>> that the huge "super size" portions started.
>>> 
>>> Allan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
>>> 
 My doctor buddy the other day was telling me about some study that
 when people where fed French fries cooked in beef tallow they ate way
 less than fries cooked in veg oil. Something about the body telling
 you that you are full on the beef but it takes much longer to get the
 response from the veg oil.
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> 
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Re: [MBZ] This is not political, but a serious question, if you can’t handle it then hit delete

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I am not at liberty to discuss operational details about our voting system. You 
can read all you want at:

https://www.votehillsborough.org/ELECTIONS/Election-Security 
<https://www.votehillsborough.org/ELECTIONS/Election-Security>

What I will say is that most election or vote tabulating systems have the 
ability to transmit data in a secure manner, and when this feature is used it’s 
only on and working for as long as it takes to establish an encrypted 
connection via cellular phone frequencies, transmit the encrypted data, and 
close the connection. It’s never connected to the “Internet”, the connection is 
purely end to end tunneled and encrypted. The data is the tabulated vote count, 
typically.

However, before this data is ever sent, a paper copy of the tabulations are 
printed out. This is hand carried to the SOE as well as posted to the window or 
door of the polling station.

Again, believe what you will, but the checks and balances that exist in the 
system prevent and have prevented for decades any manipulation on the scale 
that people have claimed. For those who choose not to accept this, I encourage 
them to sign up and work the polls in any election, local or national. Be a 
part of the process and you’l have a far greater appreciation for it and its 
integrity.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 11:48 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Are you saying your experience has been with Dominion Systems voting machines?
> 
> LarryT
> 
> On 12/17/2020 8:22 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> It’s not. I’ve worked the elections both here and in two other states I’ve 
>> lived in for over 40 years. I’ve worked elections since I was 16 years old 
>> and the days of the voting machines with the curtains and little levers. My 
>> father was a precinct committeeman and working elections was expected of all 
>> of us kids, and most of us have continued that effort since.
>> 
>> The “check in” station you mention is connected to a secure network that is 
>> used to access the voter rolls. It’s not on the “Internet”, it’s an end to 
>> end, encrypted, tunneled connection to the SOE which can be a hard wired or 
>> wifi connection. This is common practice and is configured and set up well 
>> in advance to maintain the security of that data. One of my teams is charged 
>> with testing and verification of these connections prior to the elections. 
>> The ballot printers are a part of this system.
>> 
>> The scanners are purely stand-alone devices and have no connectivity.
>> 
>> Counts are typically moved from the scanners to the polling system via 
>> secure memory cards that are encrypted. Some scanners also have the 
>> capability of printing out results on a paper tape, like an adding machine. 
>> The numbers, after being reconciled, are either transmitted to the 
>> supervisor of elections’ via the local client at the polling place or the 
>> data can be hand carried (in a secure, chain of custody strongbox) back to 
>> the SOE (which is how they get back there anyway, along with the paper 
>> ballots.)
>> 
>> Anyone who has worked the polls has been exposed to these processes and 
>> procedures used to guarantee the integrity of the elections. It’s certainly 
>> different from one state or municipality to the other, but the general 
>> approach is the same. It’s highly controlled and closely audited. Again, 
>> it’s not perfect, but the claims of widespread, massive voter fraud are 
>> gross misstatements.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 7:46 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dan, I'm afraid your experience is limited.  Here in SC, the voting
>>> machines were connected to the internet.  Drove me nuts.  I'm quite sure
>>> the same could be true in other states, that certainly has been reported in
>>> the press, and the "glitches" that always seemed to switch votes in one
>>> direction (from Trump to Biden) point to the need for a thorough forensic
>>> audit so we can be sure the right candidate really won.
>>> 
>>> Our system is similar to what many of you described: one machine where you
>>> 'vote' which creates a paper ballot, and then the voter takes their ballot
>>> (which they can review to make sure it is correct) and feeds it into the
>>> scanner, which counts the vote.  Locally, at each polling place, the
>>> scanner totals are printed out after the last vote, and the total number of
>>> votes cast is compared to the number of voters who came into the polling
>>> place.  If those two numbers don't match, then they have to try to resolve
>>> that at th

Re: [MBZ] This is not political, but a serious question, if you can?t handle it then hit delete

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

This is content far more appropriate for Okie Talk, suffice to say that the 
courts have spoken regarding the various lawsuits and found all without merit. 
Being that they were filed in numerous (different) venues with a wide range of 
judges as far as political affiliation and backgrounds, I think the results 
pretty much speak for themselves.

‘nuf said

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 11:44 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, how about the evidence that was presented in the ~50 lawsuits that
> have been filed?  Is that evidence worth looking at?
> 
> This link below will take you to a detailed report of the election issues.
> 
> Dear readers: before you dismiss this report as "right wing conspiracy",
> keep in mind the case of Hunter Biden's laptop.  When that October surprise
> broke in the New York Post, it was immediately censored, suppressed, mocked
> as a conspiracy, and labeled as Russian dis-information.  Pretty much a
> total blackout in the so-called "main stream media", and even though the
> FBI and the Justice Department had the evidence and an ongoing
> investigation, they kept totally mum.  Now that the election is over, those
> very same mainstream media and social media that actively suppressed the
> story are now shocked, Shocked I say! to learn that Hunter Biden (and by
> association his father Joe Biden) have some explaining to do to the FBI.
> This type of hypocritical and manipulative behavior by our 'media' and our
> 'Justice Department' should give us all pause to carefully consider sources
> and be open to really looking at other sources, and be willing to question
> what we are told
> 
> https://bannonswarroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/The-Immaculate-Deception-12.15.20-1.pdf
> 
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 8:02 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Cite the direct sources for this information, please, Roger. Not news
>> media, the actual sources of the information.
>> 
>> Georgia, like most states, has a process for “curing” votes. Like other
>> election processes, it’s highly regulated and audited by members of both
>> political parties.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 7:46 AM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Kaleb,
>>> Some people are drinking the kolaide.  GA. reran the same corrupt votes
>> 3 times without confirming signatures.  What's the definition of insanity?
>> The gov and SOS are linked into a voting machine selection scam and
>> therefore have made no REAL steps to isolate the illegal votes, especially
>> in Fulton County the home of our wonderful Atlanta.  And yes, it's been
>> proven by forensic techs that our Dominion machines can and were connected
>> to the internet as well as the software being open to manipulation.  The
>> MSM has been complicit in this coverup.
>>> I'm sorry for adding this, but I've seen/read/heard too many coverup
>> explanations for a corrupt election.
>>> Regards,
>>> Roger
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] This is not political, but a serious question, if you can?t handle it then hit delete

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Understood, but also consider that checks are being made against the voter 
registration records as well, so it’s not just a matter of signatures. I agree, 
I’ve never been comfortable with absentee/mail in ballots for that reason. I 
can’t say I sign my name in a consistent manner, so what I sign one day might 
not exactly resemble what I sign today. That’s a concern for me.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 10:11 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It just seems like the very concept of mailing in ballots leaves a lot of 
> room for fraud. Even if checking signatures these are low or no paid workers 
> not signature experts. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 8:23 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On 2020-12-17 09:11, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> It seems to me unless you are military all voting should be done in
>>> person with ID. I just do not see how they verify mail in ballots
>>> accurately. In person voting could run for a week or 2 instead of 1
>>> day but it should all be in person.
>> 
>> 
>> Normally, they compare the signature on the sealed envelope with the 
>> signature on the voter registration, and if they don't think the signatures 
>> match, they temporarily reject the ballot and send a letter to the voter 
>> asking them to resolve the identity issue.
>> 
>> This year, in many jurisdictions, it was more like 'who cares if the 
>> signatures match'?
>> 
>> Here in Michigan, the Secretary of State instructed the precinct workers to 
>> open the sealed ballots before election day but not to count them until 
>> election day. That opened up the possibility of shenanigans perpetrated 
>> after the precinct workers could see who was voted for on the ballot, such 
>> shenanigans being the exact reason why the law prevented them from doing it 
>> the way the SoS instructed them to do it.
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Re: [MBZ] This is not political, but a serious question, if you can’t handle it then hit delete

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Pretty much, although the information that Rick just posted about the county in 
MI that was audited points out the discrepancies that exist when there aren’t 
proper controls in place and the poll workers or elections officials aren’t 
properly trained.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So basically it sounds like the election was not “hacked” last time and it 
> wasn’t the time either. It is simply the media spun it and hyped it up as 
> being hacked before, but this time is spinning it that there is no way it 
> could be hacked. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 5:53 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Working with the SOE (supervisor of elections) here I can calm your fears.
>> 
>> As previously stated, a nation state, most likely the Russians, did breach 
>> several state’s voter registration databases aound the 2016 election. While 
>> problematic for a lot of reasons, doing so had no effect on the actual 
>> voting process.
>> 
>> The actual voting systems, which vary from state to state, are always “air 
>> gapped” in the sense that voting machines are never, ever connected to the 
>> Internet or any network of any kind. As described by others, ballots are 
>> typically printed out for each voter as they register or check in at a 
>> polling place, filled out by the voter, then scanned by a completely 
>> stand-alone voting machine. The votes tabulated in that machine are 
>> collected on a memory card or other means of electronic storage that is 
>> encrypted using state of the art encryption protocols. There is a clearly 
>> defined chain of custody involving the handling of the machines, memory 
>> cards, ballots and anything else involved in the process.
>> 
>> When auditing the results, paper ballots marked by the voters are scanned by 
>> a machine and tabulated separately to compare with the results tabulated by 
>> the voting machines.
>> 
>> It’s a very, very highly controlled process that has changed little over the 
>> years. Most states and municipalities continue to use a paper ballot of some 
>> sort in order to provide a hard copy of the votes - I’m not aware of anyone 
>> who does it 100% electronically, although there may be somewhere.
>> 
>> The stories about massive numbers of votes being added/removed and such are 
>> bogus. The process simply doesn’t have the capacity for such alterations, 
>> and even if someone tried it, the audits done using the physical paper 
>> ballots would quickly reveal any discrepancies. Mistakes do happen, and 
>> they’re typically identified in short order when audits are performed and 
>> corrected on the spot. It’s still a very manual process everywhere I know 
>> of, and that’s one of the reasons why the integrity of the process has been 
>> preserved.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 2:09 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My current NC county as well as my previous FL county used this system.  
>>> After marking a paper ballot the voter feeds it into a reader which 
>>> indicates that the ballot was accepted (read OK) or rejected (spit back 
>>> out).  Accepted ballots are held within the machine.  This is the best 
>>> system I know: simple, cheap, secure and auditable.  Anything more complex 
>>> facilitates fraud, IMO.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From:  Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes,  Wednesday, December 16, 2020 11:33 PM
>>> 
>>> Here in our state you get a paper ballot that you color in the squares to 
>>> vote. Then feed it into a machine that scans it and counts it. Even though 
>>> a machine counts it, you still have a physical paper that can be hand 
>>> counted later. Are other states totally electronic?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] This is not political, but a serious question, if you can’t handle it then hit delete

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I skimmed it. Lots and lots of serious violations of the 90 day Safe Harbor Act 
that prescribes no changes to voting equipment prior to the election. It also 
appears that the employees working with the system were not well trained and 
proper audit controls were not in place.

In summary, it sounds like the Three Stooges were running the polls in what 
appears to be a relatively small, rural county. And that’s not to dismiss the 
issue - it’s more a point that small counties or municipalities often don’t 
have the proper training or controls in place, or they’re not well versed in 
them and when things go south, they do so in a hurry and on a major scale.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 9:34 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Here is a forensics report on the voting machines for one county in Michigan. 
> I will read it later this evening.
> 
> https://www.scribd.com/document/488105156/Antrim-County-Forensics-Report-on-Dominion-Voting-System#fullscreen_embed
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: December 17, 2020 8:07 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: ka...@striplin.net
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is not political, but a serious question, if you 
> can’t handle it then hit delete
> 
> So basically it sounds like the election was not “hacked” last time and it 
> wasn’t the time either. It is simply the media spun it and hyped it up as 
> being hacked before, but this time is spinning it that there is no way it 
> could be hacked.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 5g speeds

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I bought a really nice Schwinn spin bike ($1000 new) about a year ago for $100. 
It was as good if not better than the “official” bikes at the Y. Unfortunately, 
I never really got set up to use it as there just wasn’t a good space for it in 
the house. I tried using it in the guest room but it was in the way and I had a 
hard time finding a way to keep the carpet under it from getting soggy. When I 
saw what exercise equipment was going for recently, I put it on FB marketplace 
for $150 and it was gone within minutes.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2020-12-17 07:22, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> 
> 
>> Sadly, I don’t spin any more, mainly because our YMCA has gotten so
>> crowded that it went from being able to walk up an hour before a class
>> and get a bike to having to register a day in advance for classes.
>> Screw that.
> 
> What's a halfway decent airbike cost at garage sales or on CL down there?
> Can you get one off your local upper middle class free stuff boards?
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Re: [MBZ] This is not political, but a serious question, if you can’t handle it then hit delete

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It’s not. I’ve worked the elections both here and in two other states I’ve 
lived in for over 40 years. I’ve worked elections since I was 16 years old and 
the days of the voting machines with the curtains and little levers. My father 
was a precinct committeeman and working elections was expected of all of us 
kids, and most of us have continued that effort since.

The “check in” station you mention is connected to a secure network that is 
used to access the voter rolls. It’s not on the “Internet”, it’s an end to end, 
encrypted, tunneled connection to the SOE which can be a hard wired or wifi 
connection. This is common practice and is configured and set up well in 
advance to maintain the security of that data. One of my teams is charged with 
testing and verification of these connections prior to the elections. The 
ballot printers are a part of this system.

The scanners are purely stand-alone devices and have no connectivity.

Counts are typically moved from the scanners to the polling system via secure 
memory cards that are encrypted. Some scanners also have the capability of 
printing out results on a paper tape, like an adding machine. The numbers, 
after being reconciled, are either transmitted to the supervisor of elections’ 
via the local client at the polling place or the data can be hand carried (in a 
secure, chain of custody strongbox) back to the SOE (which is how they get back 
there anyway, along with the paper ballots.)

Anyone who has worked the polls has been exposed to these processes and 
procedures used to guarantee the integrity of the elections. It’s certainly 
different from one state or municipality to the other, but the general approach 
is the same. It’s highly controlled and closely audited. Again, it’s not 
perfect, but the claims of widespread, massive voter fraud are gross 
misstatements.

-D


> On Dec 17, 2020, at 7:46 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dan, I'm afraid your experience is limited.  Here in SC, the voting
> machines were connected to the internet.  Drove me nuts.  I'm quite sure
> the same could be true in other states, that certainly has been reported in
> the press, and the "glitches" that always seemed to switch votes in one
> direction (from Trump to Biden) point to the need for a thorough forensic
> audit so we can be sure the right candidate really won.
> 
> Our system is similar to what many of you described: one machine where you
> 'vote' which creates a paper ballot, and then the voter takes their ballot
> (which they can review to make sure it is correct) and feeds it into the
> scanner, which counts the vote.  Locally, at each polling place, the
> scanner totals are printed out after the last vote, and the total number of
> votes cast is compared to the number of voters who came into the polling
> place.  If those two numbers don't match, then they have to try to resolve
> that at the polling place, with the poll watchers from each party present
> (if they bothered to show up, a great many of our polling places had no
> poll watchers - not enough volunteers).  Once the count is resolved, then
> the electronic votes and the paper ballots are taken to the county election
> headquarters and reported out.
> 
> The first station at the polling place was voter check-in to make sure the
> voter was registered / at the right polling place, and they (the laptops)
> were connected to a local WiFi hot-spot that was part of the system, so
> they could communicate / get updates back to the county HQ voter database.
> I'm not sure if the ballot printer and ballot scanner were also connected,
> but once the count was resolved, it was loaded back onto that laptop
> somehow (I'm pretty sure via the local WiFi hotspot) and that laptop was
> the way the electronic count was returned to county election HQ.
> 
> Here in Charleston, we had a lot of folks examining the totals and
> comparing them to historical patterns, and although the results were
> disappointing in some cases and pleasing in others, nothing was observed to
> raise alarms in the result.
> 
> What was troubling to me was that we had three known instances of clear
> violations of voting law at the polling places, where one party tried to
> influence voters or intimidate poll watchers and so favor one party over
> the other.  This pattern has been repeated locally for years; one side is
> convinced that breaking the law and bending the rules in their favor is OK,
> and at every election we have to be ready to try to counter this to ensure
> the fairest election possible.  It is very easy for me to believe that this
> same pattern repeats across the nation, and the impact can be enough to
> swing the result in a tight race.  If we had a tight race and these same
> patterns of law-breaking and rule bending were present, I'd be among the

Re: [MBZ] This is not political, but a serious question, if you can?t handle it then hit delete

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Cite the direct sources for this information, please, Roger. Not news media, 
the actual sources of the information.

Georgia, like most states, has a process for “curing” votes. Like other 
election processes, it’s highly regulated and audited by members of both 
political parties.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 7:46 AM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Kaleb,
> Some people are drinking the kolaide.  GA. reran the same corrupt votes 3 
> times without confirming signatures.  What's the definition of insanity?  The 
> gov and SOS are linked into a voting machine selection scam and therefore 
> have made no REAL steps to isolate the illegal votes, especially in Fulton 
> County the home of our wonderful Atlanta.  And yes, it's been proven by 
> forensic techs that our Dominion machines can and were connected to the 
> internet as well as the software being open to manipulation.  The MSM has 
> been complicit in this coverup. 
> I'm sorry for adding this, but I've seen/read/heard too many coverup 
> explanations for a corrupt election.
> Regards,
> Roger
> 
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
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Re: [MBZ] 300CE project $1,500

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Before I started working on his 124 a buddy of mine’s dad who owned an import 
car shop maintained it. We often joked about how that car paid his college 
tuition.

-D

> On Dec 16, 2020, at 10:51 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Anemic at best. Not much power. Very well balanced though. Fix It Again Tony. 
> The 124 was a much more spirited driving car, with a dohc italian four banger 
> and a manual trans. Very high rev limit. The sohc 128 (X/19) not so much.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: December 16, 2020 9:28 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300CE project $1,500
> 
> My ex brother in law bought one of those (turd brown color) new in 1977. 
> Brought it over to the house and asked me if I would service it for him (I 
> had been maintaining his Fiat 124 sport coupe as a favor to my sister.)
> 
> Took one look at it after raising the engine cover and immediately said “No!” 
> I can’t imagine what a nightmare it must be to work on that engine. Looked 
> like a fun car, though. I don’t recall ever driving it, but I might have. The 
> 124 was a fun car to drive when it ran.
> 
> -D
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 5g speeds

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

n 4 days a week and in about
>>> 6 months I expect to drop it entirely. This is great news because any blood
>>> pressure medication I've ever taken that actually worked also affected my
>>> energy levels. The stuff I'm on now is the best of the bunch but boy I've
>>> got a lot more get up and go even just not taking it every day...
>>>> 
>>>> -Curt
>>>> 
>>>> On Tuesday, December 15, 2020, 6:06:33 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via
>>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Yea, well I’m watching the local news about how they starting giving out
>>> the vaccine today in Tulsa. I just don’t get the risk of rushing to try
>>> something that is basically untested for a virus that has a 99.x recovery
>>> rate.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 15, 2020, at 4:31 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> It also spreads the covids after bouncing the signals off chemtrails
>>>>> 
>>>>> --FT
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 12/15/20 5:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>> 5G is very limited and practically line of sight, so if you’re not
>>> right next to a 5G node in a major city, you’re not going to see it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The hype about 5G is just that. It will be years before we see the
>>> benefits across the board.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -D
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Dec 15, 2020, at 4:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What are 5g speeds supposed to be? On my iPhone 11 with t mobile I
>>> just tested my speed at 135mbps. This is about as high as I have seen. This
>>> is in the middle of Tulsa. Most of the time I see maybe 30-40mbps, even in
>>> rural areas where there is in good signal. If that is still LTE speeds what
>>> are 5g speeds supposed to be?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] This is not political, but a serious question, if you can’t handle it then hit delete

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Working with the SOE (supervisor of elections) here I can calm your fears.

As previously stated, a nation state, most likely the Russians, did breach 
several state’s voter registration databases aound the 2016 election. While 
problematic for a lot of reasons, doing so had no effect on the actual voting 
process.

The actual voting systems, which vary from state to state, are always “air 
gapped” in the sense that voting machines are never, ever connected to the 
Internet or any network of any kind. As described by others, ballots are 
typically printed out for each voter as they register or check in at a polling 
place, filled out by the voter, then scanned by a completely stand-alone voting 
machine. The votes tabulated in that machine are collected on a memory card or 
other means of electronic storage that is encrypted using state of the art 
encryption protocols. There is a clearly defined chain of custody involving the 
handling of the machines, memory cards, ballots and anything else involved in 
the process.

When auditing the results, paper ballots marked by the voters are scanned by a 
machine and tabulated separately to compare with the results tabulated by the 
voting machines.

It’s a very, very highly controlled process that has changed little over the 
years. Most states and municipalities continue to use a paper ballot of some 
sort in order to provide a hard copy of the votes - I’m not aware of anyone who 
does it 100% electronically, although there may be somewhere.

The stories about massive numbers of votes being added/removed and such are 
bogus. The process simply doesn’t have the capacity for such alterations, and 
even if someone tried it, the audits done using the physical paper ballots 
would quickly reveal any discrepancies. Mistakes do happen, and they’re 
typically identified in short order when audits are performed and corrected on 
the spot. It’s still a very manual process everywhere I know of, and that’s one 
of the reasons why the integrity of the process has been preserved.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 2:09 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My current NC county as well as my previous FL county used this system.  
> After marking a paper ballot the voter feeds it into a reader which indicates 
> that the ballot was accepted (read OK) or rejected (spit back out).  Accepted 
> ballots are held within the machine.  This is the best system I know: simple, 
> cheap, secure and auditable.  Anything more complex facilitates fraud, IMO.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From:  Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes,  Wednesday, December 16, 2020 11:33 PM
> 
> Here in our state you get a paper ballot that you color in the squares to 
> vote. Then feed it into a machine that scans it and counts it. Even though a 
> machine counts it, you still have a physical paper that can be hand counted 
> later. Are other states totally electronic?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Covids vax

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Thanks for what you’ve been doing, along with your peers. It is appreciated!

Dan

> On Dec 16, 2020, at 2:17 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> We got a shipment yesterday and we are all prioritized now by personal and
> occupational risk factors. So the ICU people doing aerosol-generating
> procedures and those employees with underlying health and age risk factors
> will get the vaccine first, then anyone working with covid patients, etc.
> Maybe by Friday.
> 
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 4:46 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> 
>> Got my second shot Monday in the AZ trial, feeling a bit off last night
>> and now. Cheated and got an antibody test a coupla weeks ago, negative
>> although I had a rxn then too. Will go get another test next week to see if
>> I got the real deal or placebo. 2/3 chance for the real deal in this trial.
>> If I got the placebo at some point soon I’ll get the real vax from them.
>> 
>> 
>> COVID-19 vaccine trial participants across SC describe their experiences
>> 
>> https://www.postandcourier.com/features/covid-19-vaccine-trial-participants-across-sc-describe-their-experiences/article_08542a32-399e-11eb-bb58-e757d49d81f1.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Statins

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I was on them about 15 years ago. I stopped taking them (I don’t recall any 
side effects) and started exercising. Next time the doctor saw me they thought 
I was still on them because my cholesterol had gone down.

-D

> On Dec 16, 2020, at 1:21 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> My last doctor had me on them for years. My current doctor said I did not 
> need them and took me off of them. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Dec 16, 2020, at 11:37 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> #1 most common side effect is muscle/joint pain. The first statin I took 
>> gave me terrible back pain. The one I take now doesn't seem to bother me.
>> I'm due for new blood work, I'm interested to see if exercise has helped 
>> that any.
>> Curt
>> 
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>> 
>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 12:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via 
>> Mercedes wrote:   My internist wants me to take 
>> statins because of slightly elevated LDL
>> levels.  Supposedly this will improve my 19% elevated risk of coronary
>> disease without significant downside.  Anyone taking statins?  Any downside
>> to doing this?  Is it worth attempting other approach(es) to correcting my
>> cholesterol imbalance?
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Re: [MBZ] 300CE project $1,500

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

My ex brother in law bought one of those (turd brown color) new in 1977. 
Brought it over to the house and asked me if I would service it for him (I had 
been maintaining his Fiat 124 sport coupe as a favor to my sister.)

Took one look at it after raising the engine cover and immediately said “No!” I 
can’t imagine what a nightmare it must be to work on that engine. Looked like a 
fun car, though. I don’t recall ever driving it, but I might have. The 124 was 
a fun car to drive when it ran.

-D

> On Dec 16, 2020, at 9:35 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yep. A 1974 Fiat X/19. First year of the car. Still have it. Got it in 1978. 
> When were you born? '76?
> 
> 
> Rick
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300CE project $1,500
> 
> You obtained the project in 1978? My oldest project is my 1976 240D that I 
> got in 1997.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Half way decent?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Starting to? They’ve been going for stupid money for a couple of years now.

-D

> On Dec 15, 2020, at 10:52 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That’s not a bad deal. Those are starting to go for stupid money
> 
> --FT
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>> On Dec 15, 2020, at 10:39 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 1990 Mercedes 560- SEC
>> 
>> https://austin.craigslist.org/cto/d/manor-1990-mercedes-560-sec/7247085861.html
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 5g speeds

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Nope. The cellular guys were already talking about this when I was getting out 
of the generator business, and they thought it was all a lot of pixie dust.

The mm wave will support some serious speeds, but it has very limited range. 
This is what they deploy in metropolitan areas. The lower frequency (600 MHz?) 
stuff will go into outlying areas where line of sight and latency is expected.

It matters not to me, as there’s nothing I do with a phone that would ever 
require those kinds of speeds that I could imagine.

-D

> On Dec 15, 2020, at 5:41 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Here you go:
> https://tech.slashdot.org/story/20/12/14/2124229/heres-the-5g-glossary-every-american-is-apparently-going-to-need
> 
> Confused yet?
> 
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 5:08 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> 
>> 5G is very limited and practically line of sight, so if you’re not right
>> next to a 5G node in a major city, you’re not going to see it.
>> 
>> The hype about 5G is just that. It will be years before we see the
>> benefits across the board.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 15, 2020, at 4:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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>>> 
>>> What are 5g speeds supposed to be? On my iPhone 11 with t mobile I just
>> tested my speed at 135mbps. This is about as high as I have seen. This is
>> in the middle of Tulsa. Most of the time I see maybe 30-40mbps, even in
>> rural areas where there is in good signal. If that is still LTE speeds what
>> are 5g speeds supposed to be?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] It's about time we get these in diesel

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I drove a rental Jeep somethingorother to the last ChowdahQ that did this. 
Drove me nuts. Kept thinking the engine was dying on me.

On a related note, I saw a big jug of cat pee for diesels at the dealer’s parts 
department yesterday. I can’t imagine what they charge for the stuff.

-D

> On Dec 15, 2020, at 3:41 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> You don't think that the MB engineers thought of that? Sure they did. It's
> either a beefier start that can handle the thousands more starts, or it's
> designed to just last through the warranty  period ...
> 
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 2:38 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> 
>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> I test drove a 2014 E250 Bluetec sedan and it had the auto shutoff
>>> feature at idle.  Very strange sensation.  Brake on - shuts off.
>>> Brake off - engine restarts.
>> 
>> A few years later, you need a new starter.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 5g speeds

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5G is very limited and practically line of sight, so if you’re not right next 
to a 5G node in a major city, you’re not going to see it.

The hype about 5G is just that. It will be years before we see the benefits 
across the board.

-D

> On Dec 15, 2020, at 4:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What are 5g speeds supposed to be? On my iPhone 11 with t mobile I just 
> tested my speed at 135mbps. This is about as high as I have seen. This is in 
> the middle of Tulsa. Most of the time I see maybe 30-40mbps, even in rural 
> areas where there is in good signal. If that is still LTE speeds what are 5g 
> speeds supposed to be?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] FüKNMöV3N

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Very nice. Would be even better with interior and engine compartment pictures.

-D

> On Dec 14, 2020, at 3:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2499738076987026/?ref=search_code=undefined
> 
> 2002 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 55 AMG Sedan 4D
> $5,500
> Vehicles 
> Listed 19 hours ago in Raleigh, NC 
> 
> 
> 
>   About This Vehicle…
> 
> Driven 195,000 miles
> Automatic transmission
> Exterior color: Silver · Interior color: Charcoal
> Fuel type: Gasoline
> 15.0 MPG city · 22.0 MPG highway · 18.0 MPG combined
> 
> 
>   Seller's description…
> 
> Very rare e55
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Re: [MBZ] Tie rod end removal

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This is in an ML, which has a little different configuration as it’s rack and 
pinion, not recirculating ball/Pitman arm.

The tie rod is two pieces, with the ball joint and threaded piece one part, and 
another threaded rod that connects inside the steering rack, how exactly I 
forget. For that matter, the part of the rod in the steering rack might not be 
serviceable separately, I don’t recall.

The tie rod itself is pretty cheap in the aftermarket, like $25 or thereabouts. 
With it disconnected from the steering rack, you can remove and replace the 
seal (bellows) on the rack without a lot of difficulty. It’s a little tight, 
but can be done. What you can’t do on the steering rack without a major 
undertaking, is replace the steering rack mounts, which are common failure item 
by now, unfortunately. The rack is installed tightly between the frame and 
drive train, and is near impossible to get to. I think that’s a four hour flat 
rate job.

-D

> On Dec 14, 2020, at 2:29 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Back in the day of Rusty, it was reasonable to buy the whole tie rod with
> ends already installed. I did that for W115 and W107 cars ...
> 
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 12:52 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> 
>> The rod end is rusted onto the tie rod and won't unscrew, at least not
>> to the holding power of a 15mm open end wrench on the rod, or a 10" vice
>> grip. My baby pipe wrench, with jaws thin enough to put on the little
>> bit of rod that's exposed, had less grip than the vice grips.
>> 
>> I can try heating it, but the rubber bellows over the inner rod end puts
>> a limit on that.
>> 
>> Any brilliant ideas for getting the rod end off the rod?
>> As I was typing this, I wondered if the wrench flats were wide enough
>> for two 15mm open ends.
>> Will try that next, along with a bit of heat.
>> Wish I had some Kroil handy instead of this Liquid Wrench I soaked it in
>> yesterday.
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Re: [MBZ] Tie rod end removal

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The boot that goes on the steering rack is sold by the dealer in a kit form 
with a tube of grease and a new clamp pretty cheaply, like under $20. I know 
because one of mine was torn and I replaced it along with the tie rod because 
the ball joint seal on the tie rod was bad, too.

-D

> On Dec 14, 2020, at 1:51 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The rod end is rusted onto the tie rod and won't unscrew, at least not to the 
> holding power of a 15mm open end wrench on the rod, or a 10" vice grip. My 
> baby pipe wrench, with jaws thin enough to put on the little bit of rod 
> that's exposed, had less grip than the vice grips.
> 
> I can try heating it, but the rubber bellows over the inner rod end puts a 
> limit on that.
> 
> Any brilliant ideas for getting the rod end off the rod?
> As I was typing this, I wondered if the wrench flats were wide enough for two 
> 15mm open ends.
> Will try that next, along with a bit of heat.
> Wish I had some Kroil handy instead of this Liquid Wrench I soaked it in 
> yesterday.
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Re: [MBZ] very nice 300SD

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

And one must accept that unfortunately, the majority of these cars were built 
in a somewhat boring color scheme. It’s a function of the times. That’s 
something easily looked past, however, when enjoying their use.

-D

> On Dec 14, 2020, at 11:44 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> 
> With that color scheme you need an Rx for boredom.
> 
> On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 1:57 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> 
>> 4 hours is not very far. I think the 300SDL is better though. A last year
>> 617 would be nice.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 4 hour drive. No thanks.
>>> 
>>> I will say that the 300SD (W126) was probably the best, if not one of
>> the best, cars Mercedes ever built.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 12:48 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It's in JAX, not far, you should go get it
>>>> 
>>>> --FT
>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/13/20 12:34 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>> Dang. I would pay $3000 for that. It looks really clean.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -D
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 12:20 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1029319877582636/?ref=search_code=undefined
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Re: [MBZ] Taps, Dies, and Allen Wrenches

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Holy! What do you have enough of to fill the Costco peanut butter pretzel 
containers with? Those things are pretty big.

-D

> On Dec 13, 2020, at 5:19 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> haha no but I have stacks of those plastic rice box cubes with the big lids, 
> those things are great for all kinds of stuff. Trouble is I can't eat the 
> rice fast enough! And Costco nut jars! And the big containers for the peanut 
> butter pretzels!
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 12/13/20 5:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Don’t tell me you have racks of baby food jars with the lids attached to a 
>> piece of wood, do you?
>> 
>> If any of you recall Jay, the retired phone company guy who lived in 
>> Sacramento, I once saw his barn on a visit to his place when I lived in CA. 
>> I kid you not, damned near everything in that place was cataloged and stored 
>> in some fashion. The level of organization was frightening.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 4:57 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Egg cartons
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 3:09 PM, Jerry Herrman via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have a good assortment of taps, handles and a few dies, along with an
>>>> unknown number of duplicates, mostly SAE. However, they are just lying in a
>>>> drawer. When I need one, I have to search through the collection. Is there 
>>>> a
>>>> system for organizing the taps similar to a drill index which allows the
>>>> user to go right to the one needed? I am not inclined to spend money on a
>>>> container. Looking for an idea someone might have come up with to sort them
>>>> in an inexpensive way that doesn't take up much room. Come to think of it,
>>>> I'm looking for something similar for the numerous disorganized Allen
>>>> wrenches.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Jerry
>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Taps, Dies, and Allen Wrenches

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Don’t tell me you have racks of baby food jars with the lids attached to a 
piece of wood, do you?

If any of you recall Jay, the retired phone company guy who lived in 
Sacramento, I once saw his barn on a visit to his place when I lived in CA. I 
kid you not, damned near everything in that place was cataloged and stored in 
some fashion. The level of organization was frightening.

-D

> On Dec 13, 2020, at 4:57 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Egg cartons 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
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>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 3:09 PM, Jerry Herrman via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have a good assortment of taps, handles and a few dies, along with an
>> unknown number of duplicates, mostly SAE. However, they are just lying in a
>> drawer. When I need one, I have to search through the collection. Is there a
>> system for organizing the taps similar to a drill index which allows the
>> user to go right to the one needed? I am not inclined to spend money on a
>> container. Looking for an idea someone might have come up with to sort them
>> in an inexpensive way that doesn't take up much room. Come to think of it,
>> I'm looking for something similar for the numerous disorganized Allen
>> wrenches.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jerry
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Taps, Dies, and Allen Wrenches

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I have a similar arrangement for “paddle” or spade type wood bits in one drawer 
of my tool box. It holds them all and “lays down” so I can close the drawer. I 
just cut the 2x4 to the width of the drawer and put a screw in from each side 
to hold it in place and act as a pivot. It does take a lot of space, but at 
least my bits are in order and stored in an organized fashion.

-D

> On Dec 13, 2020, at 3:26 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Taps and dies, the box the 40pc set came in, with very few loose ones of 
> other sizes in ziploc bags in the same drawer of the toolbox.
> 
> If I didn't have a box and wanted to rack them neatly, I'd drill holes in the 
> edge of a 2x4, then rip the 2x4 in half to make two trays of taps. The dies 
> would either go in pill bottles from the pharmacy, or I'd make wooden trays 
> with a Forstner bit in the drill press.
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Re: [MBZ] very nice 300SD

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4 hour drive. No thanks.

I will say that the 300SD (W126) was probably the best, if not one of the best, 
cars Mercedes ever built.

-D

> On Dec 13, 2020, at 12:48 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It's in JAX, not far, you should go get it
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 12/13/20 12:34 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Dang. I would pay $3000 for that. It looks really clean.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 12:20 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1029319877582636/?ref=search_code=undefined
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] very nice 300SD

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Dang. I would pay $3000 for that. It looks really clean.

-D

> On Dec 13, 2020, at 12:20 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1029319877582636/?ref=search_code=undefined
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Re: [MBZ] Mini split

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I see these weird, off brand mini-splits around here all the time. Cheap as 
wine, but you have to wonder where they came from and who really made them. I 
think either Floyd or Mitch have done some digging into brands as to who makes 
some of them.

-D

> On Dec 13, 2020, at 11:25 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/305192707422107/
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Latest addition to Okie Acres

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Okie chrome.

-D

> On Dec 12, 2020, at 6:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That ain't rust it's tarnish.
> 
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 5:53 PM Clay Monroe via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I have a nice 3500sqft lot in SEA that rings in at the same as this
>> compound.  Probably need to be looking much further south for depleted
>> mining grounds on which to establish Rancho Clay
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 12, 2020, at 11:11 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Looked into this guy a little more by looking up the tax records on his
>> place.  This house of his is 8500 sqft with 6 bedrooms 5.5 baths.  Last
>> owner of the land was a mining company.  Looks like he got the land cheap.
>> However the accessed value on his vast estate is 1.2 million, he pays close
>> to $14k a year in property taxes.  I guess in other parts of the country
>> that amount would buy you a small 1500sqft house on a city lot.
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Re: [MBZ] OT iMac VirtualBox for WinXP

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

No question VMware is by far the industry standard and easiest to use, but of 
course there’s a price to be paid for that. I’ve worked with VMware 
professionally and in comparison to the consumer grade stuff I prefer 
VirtualBox.

-D

> On Dec 12, 2020, at 12:25 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I am using VMware, VirtualBox, and Qemu, all for different things.  VMware is 
> clearly the
> most professional of them, but it costs money.  (Boss paid for it, I use it 
> for work.)
> 
> Which Mac OS are you going to run?
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT iMac VirtualBox for WinXP

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Nothing special going on. Just run the VB installer, be sure to download the 
add-ons for it, too, and then spin up a VM and install your Windows instance. 
Pretty straightforward.

I’ve never been enamored of Parallels. It seems fiddly to work with and as I 
recall was nowhere near as simple to set up and run VMs on as VirtualBox.

-D

> On Dec 12, 2020, at 12:07 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I bought a 2009 24" iMac yesterday for $230 to use for my laser cutter 
> computer.  640GB HDD, 8GB of memory, processor looks to be what you would 
> expect from a 2009 machine (I forget what it is, a single processor at like 
> 2.3GHz).  I guess it is an OK machine, seems to work OK, the marketing outfit 
> I got it from was using it for graphics design.
> 
> I'm going to get an app called Lightburn to run the laser.  I also have a 
> bunch of design apps and stuff that run on WinXP (and maybe some later 
> version of Winders, I don't know) that I was using on a WinXP box to run the 
> laser and my CNC machine, so I want to have those too.
> 
> I read the discussion before about VirtualBox, seems like it might be the 
> thing to use to set up a WinXP VM, install the Win apps on it, then use the 
> MacOS to run my laser, so everything will be available for design, driving 
> the machine, etc.  I have some other VM software, Parallels, on another iMac, 
> it is kind of a PITA as the version I have will only run on an old version of 
> MacOS, which is fine as that machine doesn't need the latest/greatest, 
> upgrades cost $$.
> 
> Is there anything I need to know before setting this iMac up?  I guess it is 
> fairly straightforward to install VB then WinXP?  Any gotchas with WinXP on 
> the VB side?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] THE GREATEST "S CLASS" BENZ EVER MADE (W140) - 1999 S320 - $2, 995 (Perry)

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Wonder where they got the branded navigation system?

I you wanted a really nice and reliable ride a W140 S320 isn’t a bad car at 
all. I had Little Tommy’s S320 and I’ve heard indirectly that it’s passed 350k 
and is still going strong. 1999 is the last and best model year, too.

-D


> On Dec 12, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> CHECK ENGINE LIGHT IS ON due to Camshaft Position Sensor - EZ FIX - DOES NOT 
> AFFECT CAR'S DRIVING ABILITY AT ALL. (I may fix it myself)
> 
> https://macon.craigslist.org/cto/d/perry-the-greatest-class-benz-ever-made/7245264498.html
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Lesser drivers of sadder vehicles move aside in respect when faced with your Mercedes.

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For a car that one might buy and just drive into the ground, it doesn’t look 
bad.

-D

> On Dec 12, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> 
> Awesome ad
> 
> https://wilmington.craigslist.org/cto/d/wilmington-1980-mercedes-240/7245389067.html
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: USB drive size for factory recovery media

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Ballpark I would say 16GB should be more than adequate. Besides making a 
recovery drive, I would also make a system image backup as well, but keep it 
current. That way if the machine cacks you get pretty much everything back, 
including your personal stuff. A recovery drive only restores the system, not 
the user data.

-D

> On Dec 12, 2020, at 9:14 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> OK, let's say I'm getting a new Win10 laptop and I need to have an empty 
> thumb drive handy to make a factory restore disk before I start using it.
> 
> What size do I buy?
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Re: [MBZ] Open your Wallet to fill up

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In a manner of speaking, yes.

-D

> On Dec 11, 2020, at 9:26 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2020-12-11 20:20, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> “But all of the tanks we supply are leased.”
>> "Nope. We paid for this one, it’s in the bill of materials.
>> Contractually, it’s ours. Builder shall supply…."
>> Builder had to buy out the lease for the tank. Lesson learned.
> 
> 
> The builder leased a tank from the propane company, and sold you the propane 
> company's tank?
> 
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[MBZ] Another Potential Kleb Car...

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Going south on PP pretty quick, might be able to get it cheap(er):

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-benz-cars-sale/408988-fs-1987-300-sdl-texas-dfw.html
 


-D
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Re: [MBZ] Open your Wallet to fill up

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I would add that the builder who built our house in Wisconsin was quite 
competent, honest, and had excellent subs. Granted, he was a custom 
homebuilder, not building tract homes, but he was very good. We had almost 
nothing in the way of exceptions or issues with the construction of that house.

-D

> On Dec 11, 2020, at 8:38 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> 
> Builders can be idiots. Ours was, mainly because they were tossing homes up 
> so fast they weren’t paying attention to details like we did.
> 
> They had these little multi-part carbonless forms you could fill out to 
> address discrepancies you found. After about 30 days or so of the framing 
> going up they just gave us a box of them.
> 
> Understand that we didn’t ask for or point out anything that wasn’t clearly 
> spelled out in the construction documents - nearly every issue was their own 
> fault. We cost them so much on that house that they ended up changing their 
> construction practices in some areas and even changed the contract. They were 
> simply being half-assed and we caught them at it and held them up to the 
> standards they were allegedly maintaining.
> 
> Nowadays, builders will make you sign a contract with arbitration clauses and 
> NDAs. That wasn’t the case in 1995. Our house in Indiana has arbitration 
> clauses for darned near every aspect of the contract. This way they can fight 
> you and not get hauled into court, which is far more expensive - and - the 
> NDA prevents you from going public about the problem(s) you arbitrated.
> 
> Pretty sneaky.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 11, 2020, at 8:29 PM, Curt Raymond > <mailto:curtlud...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> This isn't helping my opinion of builders.
>> 
>> Brother-in-law and his wife are in the final stages of having a place built, 
>> its been more than a year since ground was broken. Builder dragged his feet 
>> all spring, blamed COVID but they hadn't done much more than dig a hole 
>> before March.
>> Now they're having trouble getting power hooked up. Turns out the builder 
>> didn't even try until 3 months ago. Had a whole dang year and didn't bother 
>> to try, built the whole place while running generators.
>> 
>> BIL wisely won't let me talk to the builder...
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Friday, December 11, 2020, 8:21:45 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> We’ve always owned our tanks for just that reason.
>> 
>> Our former house across the street has a 100 gallon tank buried in the front 
>> yard.  Right after we moved in the LP supplier that filled and supplied it 
>> to the builder sent us a bill for the monthly tank lease payment.
>> 
>> Nope.
>> 
>> In the bill of materials for the adder that covered all of the LP system 
>> installed in the house was a 100 gallon underground tank, related piping, 
>> etc., etc. We paid for that adder (around $800, I seem to recall.) When we 
>> told the LP supplier we owned the tank, they said no. We went to the builder 
>> and pointed out that we paid for the tank as a part of the adder based on 
>> the contract.
>> 
>> “But all of the tanks we supply are leased.”
>> 
>> "Nope. We paid for this one, it’s in the bill of materials. Contractually, 
>> it’s ours. Builder shall supply…."
>> 
>> Builder had to buy out the lease for the tank. Lesson learned.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> > On Dec 11, 2020, at 8:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> > 
>> > My parent's propane supplier royally screwed up this year. Their tanks are 
>> > 30+ years old and the supplier decided to stop filling them. They never 
>> > bothered to tell anybody this and the tanks ran out 2 days before 
>> > Thanksgiving.
>> > It turns out that the supplier owns the tanks. With egg on their face they 
>> > had to provide an emergency tank the day before Thanksgiving. I'm curious 
>> > to find out how long the "temporary" tank stays...
>> > 
>> > -Curt
>> > 
>> >On Friday, December 11, 2020, 6:54:54 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:  
>> > 
>> > Most people have NatGas available and use it.
>> > The rest of us, we mostly use Propane in the Great Lakes, while there's 
>> > still a lot of oil in New England.
>> > 
>> > Propane markets seem somewhat independent of crude oil prices.
>> > My new vendor was $0.92 back in January, so I was really looking forward 
>> > 

Re: [MBZ] Open your Wallet to fill up

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Builders can be idiots. Ours was, mainly because they were tossing homes up so 
fast they weren’t paying attention to details like we did.

They had these little multi-part carbonless forms you could fill out to address 
discrepancies you found. After about 30 days or so of the framing going up they 
just gave us a box of them.

Understand that we didn’t ask for or point out anything that wasn’t clearly 
spelled out in the construction documents - nearly every issue was their own 
fault. We cost them so much on that house that they ended up changing their 
construction practices in some areas and even changed the contract. They were 
simply being half-assed and we caught them at it and held them up to the 
standards they were allegedly maintaining.

Nowadays, builders will make you sign a contract with arbitration clauses and 
NDAs. That wasn’t the case in 1995. Our house in Indiana has arbitration 
clauses for darned near every aspect of the contract. This way they can fight 
you and not get hauled into court, which is far more expensive - and - the NDA 
prevents you from going public about the problem(s) you arbitrated.

Pretty sneaky.

-D

> On Dec 11, 2020, at 8:29 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> This isn't helping my opinion of builders.
> 
> Brother-in-law and his wife are in the final stages of having a place built, 
> its been more than a year since ground was broken. Builder dragged his feet 
> all spring, blamed COVID but they hadn't done much more than dig a hole 
> before March.
> Now they're having trouble getting power hooked up. Turns out the builder 
> didn't even try until 3 months ago. Had a whole dang year and didn't bother 
> to try, built the whole place while running generators.
> 
> BIL wisely won't let me talk to the builder...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Friday, December 11, 2020, 8:21:45 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> We’ve always owned our tanks for just that reason.
> 
> Our former house across the street has a 100 gallon tank buried in the front 
> yard.  Right after we moved in the LP supplier that filled and supplied it to 
> the builder sent us a bill for the monthly tank lease payment.
> 
> Nope.
> 
> In the bill of materials for the adder that covered all of the LP system 
> installed in the house was a 100 gallon underground tank, related piping, 
> etc., etc. We paid for that adder (around $800, I seem to recall.) When we 
> told the LP supplier we owned the tank, they said no. We went to the builder 
> and pointed out that we paid for the tank as a part of the adder based on the 
> contract.
> 
> “But all of the tanks we supply are leased.”
> 
> "Nope. We paid for this one, it’s in the bill of materials. Contractually, 
> it’s ours. Builder shall supply…."
> 
> Builder had to buy out the lease for the tank. Lesson learned.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Dec 11, 2020, at 8:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > My parent's propane supplier royally screwed up this year. Their tanks are 
> > 30+ years old and the supplier decided to stop filling them. They never 
> > bothered to tell anybody this and the tanks ran out 2 days before 
> > Thanksgiving.
> > It turns out that the supplier owns the tanks. With egg on their face they 
> > had to provide an emergency tank the day before Thanksgiving. I'm curious 
> > to find out how long the "temporary" tank stays...
> > 
> > -Curt
> > 
> >On Friday, December 11, 2020, 6:54:54 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:  
> > 
> > Most people have NatGas available and use it.
> > The rest of us, we mostly use Propane in the Great Lakes, while there's 
> > still a lot of oil in New England.
> > 
> > Propane markets seem somewhat independent of crude oil prices.
> > My new vendor was $0.92 back in January, so I was really looking forward 
> > to the summer price bottom. So, what did I pay in August? $0.95 plus 
> > tax.
> > I'm the guy who owns my own tanks and doesn't have the cost of the tank 
> > baked into my propane pricing. But this was a cheap year for tank 
> > renters too, my Mom's winter contract is fixed at 1.399.
> > 
> > On 2020-12-11 18:11, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> >> The market is probably speculating that with vaccines starting to roll
> >> out that travel (and fuel use) will be starting to pick up again.
> >> 
> >> Also January would be peak season for use of heating oil? Not sure
> >> whether enough people still heat with oil for that to be a big
> >> factor. Last time I talked with my furnace guy, he said there's like 
> >> two

Re: [MBZ] Open your Wallet to fill up

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

We’ve always owned our tanks for just that reason.

Our former house across the street has a 100 gallon tank buried in the front 
yard.  Right after we moved in the LP supplier that filled and supplied it to 
the builder sent us a bill for the monthly tank lease payment.

Nope.

In the bill of materials for the adder that covered all of the LP system 
installed in the house was a 100 gallon underground tank, related piping, etc., 
etc. We paid for that adder (around $800, I seem to recall.) When we told the 
LP supplier we owned the tank, they said no. We went to the builder and pointed 
out that we paid for the tank as a part of the adder based on the contract.

“But all of the tanks we supply are leased.”

"Nope. We paid for this one, it’s in the bill of materials. Contractually, it’s 
ours. Builder shall supply…."

Builder had to buy out the lease for the tank. Lesson learned.

-D

> On Dec 11, 2020, at 8:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My parent's propane supplier royally screwed up this year. Their tanks are 
> 30+ years old and the supplier decided to stop filling them. They never 
> bothered to tell anybody this and the tanks ran out 2 days before 
> Thanksgiving.
> It turns out that the supplier owns the tanks. With egg on their face they 
> had to provide an emergency tank the day before Thanksgiving. I'm curious to 
> find out how long the "temporary" tank stays...
> 
> -Curt
> 
>On Friday, December 11, 2020, 6:54:54 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Most people have NatGas available and use it.
> The rest of us, we mostly use Propane in the Great Lakes, while there's 
> still a lot of oil in New England.
> 
> Propane markets seem somewhat independent of crude oil prices.
> My new vendor was $0.92 back in January, so I was really looking forward 
> to the summer price bottom. So, what did I pay in August? $0.95 plus 
> tax.
> I'm the guy who owns my own tanks and doesn't have the cost of the tank 
> baked into my propane pricing. But this was a cheap year for tank 
> renters too, my Mom's winter contract is fixed at 1.399.
> 
> On 2020-12-11 18:11, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> The market is probably speculating that with vaccines starting to roll
>> out that travel (and fuel use) will be starting to pick up again.
>> 
>> Also January would be peak season for use of heating oil? Not sure
>> whether enough people still heat with oil for that to be a big
>> factor. Last time I talked with my furnace guy, he said there's like 
>> two
>> people in my area that know anything about oil furnances, but oil was
>> never big in this area. Around here, the oldest homes originally used
>> coal, and they all moved to natural gas.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Open your Wallet to fill up

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Tanks are qualified by either the DOT (consumer tanks typically 100 gallons or 
less) or AMSE (no requalification required.)  My 500 gallon tank is an ASME 
tank and essentially a lifetime tank. It’s got an anode that can be replaced as 
well as the outside being coated and wrapped with specialized materials to 
protect it.

-D

> On Dec 11, 2020, at 7:47 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I have a 500 gallon tank buried in the front yard, but I won’t go looking for 
> a top off until spring, when heating prices ease up and the price goes down 
> somewhat.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 11, 2020, at 6:54 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Most people have NatGas available and use it.
>> The rest of us, we mostly use Propane in the Great Lakes, while there's 
>> still a lot of oil in New England.
>> 
>> Propane markets seem somewhat independent of crude oil prices.
>> My new vendor was $0.92 back in January, so I was really looking forward to 
>> the summer price bottom. So, what did I pay in August? $0.95 plus tax.
>> I'm the guy who owns my own tanks and doesn't have the cost of the tank 
>> baked into my propane pricing. But this was a cheap year for tank renters 
>> too, my Mom's winter contract is fixed at 1.399.
>> 
>> On 2020-12-11 18:11, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>>> The market is probably speculating that with vaccines starting to roll
>>> out that travel (and fuel use) will be starting to pick up again.
>>> Also January would be peak season for use of heating oil? Not sure
>>> whether enough people still heat with oil for that to be a big
>>> factor. Last time I talked with my furnace guy, he said there's like two
>>> people in my area that know anything about oil furnances, but oil was
>>> never big in this area. Around here, the oldest homes originally used
>>> coal, and they all moved to natural gas.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Open your Wallet to fill up

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I have a 500 gallon tank buried in the front yard, but I won’t go looking for a 
top off until spring, when heating prices ease up and the price goes down 
somewhat.

-D

> On Dec 11, 2020, at 6:54 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Most people have NatGas available and use it.
> The rest of us, we mostly use Propane in the Great Lakes, while there's still 
> a lot of oil in New England.
> 
> Propane markets seem somewhat independent of crude oil prices.
> My new vendor was $0.92 back in January, so I was really looking forward to 
> the summer price bottom. So, what did I pay in August? $0.95 plus tax.
> I'm the guy who owns my own tanks and doesn't have the cost of the tank baked 
> into my propane pricing. But this was a cheap year for tank renters too, my 
> Mom's winter contract is fixed at 1.399.
> 
> On 2020-12-11 18:11, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> The market is probably speculating that with vaccines starting to roll
>> out that travel (and fuel use) will be starting to pick up again.
>> Also January would be peak season for use of heating oil? Not sure
>> whether enough people still heat with oil for that to be a big
>> factor. Last time I talked with my furnace guy, he said there's like two
>> people in my area that know anything about oil furnances, but oil was
>> never big in this area. Around here, the oldest homes originally used
>> coal, and they all moved to natural gas.
> 
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[MBZ] Kleb Car

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/tampa-1999-mercedes-230-kompressor/7245495591.html
 


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Re: [MBZ] Rich White Folks' Profligacy

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

This is why I belong to the RWF FB Marketplace group for a nearby development. 
Rich people’s trash/cast offs are usually pretty nice stuff.

We scored a beautiful Kincaid cherry dining room table for the hacienda in 
Indiana a few weeks ago for $150. Ended up spending more on new chairs for it 
than the table, but it’s really nice and has two leafs (leaves?), too, so we 
can seat like 10 people. I was hoping to score a nice headboard or bedroom set 
for our guest bedroom up north before we left, but nothing came up, darn it.

I’ve scouted out similar groups in Indianapolis but most are on the other side 
of town. I may still attempt to join a couple, however…

-D

> On Dec 7, 2020, at 2:20 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I went over yesterday in the $720ML500 (Benz Content!) to drop off some 
> recycling and a bag of trash at the Kiawah Island Community Association 
> place, they have a big recycle bin and a small dumpster there that is about a 
> 6ft cube with a door on the side to put trash in.  I opened it to put my bag 
> of trash in it and there was a box sitting right there, looked new,  a Sony 
> stereo receiver.  I opened it up and it looked like it had never been used, 
> the remote was still in a plastic bag, the unit had been taken out of a foam 
> sleeve but the cord was still wrapped with a wire tie.  I threw it in the 
> ML500 (Benz Content!) and brought it home.  I have not hooked it up to 
> speakers yet, I have some of those I got for nothing from a garage sale.  I 
> need to buy one of those little bluetooth dongles and can use it for a 
> streaming system, play music off the internets or my phone or iPad.
> 
> I can't believe someone just chucked it in a dumpster.  It's probably like a 
> $150 unit, so not a high-end thing, but still...
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Re: [MBZ] OT: who likes old Macs?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Someone has been inhaling aromatics of some sort. Their prices for the Mac Pros 
are pretty silly, especially the 5,1 as it’s a single processor model. I just 
got a 4,1 single processor model for the price of shipping.

-D

> On Dec 7, 2020, at 1:35 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> https://lansing.craigslist.org/sys/d/muskegon-apple-laptop-computer/7237268315.html
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Re: [MBZ] Flying today

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That will be a real delight compared to what you’re in for on Wednesday. Let’s 
just say that you’re going to be very, very good friends with the porcelain 
throne.

-D

> On Dec 7, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I have my first COVID test today in preparation for a colonoscopy Thursday. 
> The gal just barely inserted that swab into my nostrils and swished it 
> around. No brain touching. 
> 
> Bob R
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Dec 7, 2020, at 8:59 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yep, or SHMBO can’t put the phone down do you can see at night.
>> 
>> Speaking of night driving I am amazed at the number of people now days that 
>> drive with their brights on all the time and won’t dim them. I am also 
>> amazed at even on low beams most modern cars seem to blind oncoming 
>> vehicles. I think people now days need lights so bright it’s like daylight 
>> otherwise they get scared. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 7, 2020, at 9:36 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Another big annoyance, is when you're driving at night, and the idiot 
>>> sitting beside you fires up a video game on her cell phone with the 
>>> brightness set at 'blind everybody in the car'...
>>> Mitch.
>>> 
> On 2020-12-07 09:21, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
 
 Another big annoyance. When on a night flight, it is dark, you are
 looking at the lights below or enjoying the dark and it never fails
 the idiot next to you has to turn on his light and blind you.
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Re: [MBZ] VW Content: Isn't Poos cute?

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You’re too old to have owned a “real” Beetle. At least not as a daily driver.  
That was back in the day of $100-$200 cars.

-D

> On Dec 7, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I my have never owned a VW beetle. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 7, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I feel most of us cut out teeth on Beetles. They were the “gateway” vehicle 
>> to “hard” vehicles (MB). Over the course of about ten years, I had two 
>> different ‘68 sedans, a ‘68 sedan with an auto transmission (for a girl 
>> purchase), and two ‘69 sedans.  
>> 
>> Bob R
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Dec 7, 2020, at 5:10 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmm. Beetles I had:
>>> 
>>> 1966 sedan
>>> 1968 convertible
>>> 1971 convertible
>>> 1959 barn door van
>>> 1971 Fastback
>>> 
>>> At least those are the ones I recall. There may have been others. Rebuilt a 
>>> few engines, did a fair amount of floor pan and rocker replacements. The 
>>> 1959 barn door van was my all time favorite. Paid $200 for it in 1977. 
>>> Can’t imagine what it would be worth today.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 6, 2020, at 11:09 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 10:29:50 -0800
>>>> Jim Cathey via Mercedes  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>> Wonder how many of us have air cooled engine experience?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> My parents had a beetle.  Cold, and slow I remember.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I replaced the rod and welded closed the hole in the block
>>>>> of my Ryobi garden tiller.  Does that count?
>>>>> -
>>>> 58,61,64,65 Beetles. Rebuilt heads in 3 engines; one because I started it 
>>>> with ether and it pulled the headbolts. Installed inserts in crankcase for 
>>>> that reason. Did usual brake jobs on 2 or 3 and usual maintainence.
>>>> Bought 58 for $250 because owner couldn't find brake leak which was 
>>>> between the double firewalls in the front of the cab and because one 
>>>> cylinder was weak. Old version of Delo oil fixed the weak cylinder 
>>>> (probably stuck rings)
>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] VW Content: Isn't Poos cute?

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“Automatic Stickshift”.

Never had one, fixed a lot of them for friends that did. Contact on the bottom 
of the shifter would often get cruddy and no shift results. I also hated how if 
you rested your hand on the shifter and pushed it down, the contact would open 
and it would engage the clutch and the engine would freewheel.

-D

> On Dec 7, 2020, at 10:28 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Was that automatic the one with the manual transmission and automatic clutch 
> (touch the shifter and it declutches)?
> 
> On 2020-12-07 10:25, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>> I feel most of us cut out teeth on Beetles. They were the “gateway”
>> vehicle to “hard” vehicles (MB). Over the course of about ten years, I
>> had two different ‘68 sedans, a ‘68 sedan with an auto transmission
>> (for a girl purchase), and two ‘69 sedans.
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Re: [MBZ] Flying today

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Flew back from Indianapolis on SWA yesterday and the plane was maybe 1/3 -1/2 
full. A flight to Baltimore boarded just before us and there were only 40 
people on it. Mask wearing was complied with for the most part, I didn’t see 
anyone trying to “cheat” as we had on previous flights. Had a guy sitting in 
front of us on a previous flight who kept taking his mask off. Ratted him out 
once, after that the cabin crew kept an eye on him and nailed him a second 
time. They pretty much told the guy that if they caught him with his mask off 
again that he would be banned from SWA.

-D

> On Dec 7, 2020, at 9:46 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> We were flying back from Texas yesterday and I noticed the very same thing. I 
> think I was one of about maybe a dozen people with their shade up. And, the 
> flight from Dallas to Phoenix was FULL. There were many people on the flight 
> who spent the entire two plus hour flight with a tiny bag of chips in their 
> hands, chomping on one little broken chip fragment every twenty minutes or 
> so, pretending to be eating so they didn’t have to have their masks on. 
> 
> Bob R
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Dec 7, 2020, at 7:22 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I am currently on a flight today and have noticed something that I have 
>> actually been noticing for a while. It seems like 90-95% of people on planes 
>> these days keep the window shade closed. I guess they would rather stare at 
>> their electronic boxes that look at the passing scenery as they fly over. I 
>> flu frequently but I still like to look out the window most of the whole 
>> trip. I remember years ago when it was rare to see a window shade down. 
>> 
>> Another big annoyance. When on a night flight, it is dark, you are looking 
>> at the lights below or enjoying the dark and it never fails the idiot next 
>> to you has to turn on his light and blind you. 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] VW Content: Isn't Poos cute?

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Hmm. Beetles I had:

1966 sedan
1968 convertible
1971 convertible
1959 barn door van
1971 Fastback

At least those are the ones I recall. There may have been others. Rebuilt a few 
engines, did a fair amount of floor pan and rocker replacements. The 1959 barn 
door van was my all time favorite. Paid $200 for it in 1977. Can’t imagine what 
it would be worth today.

-D

> On Dec 6, 2020, at 11:09 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 10:29:50 -0800
> Jim Cathey via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
>>> Wonder how many of us have air cooled engine experience?
>> 
>> 
>> My parents had a beetle.  Cold, and slow I remember.
>> 
>> I replaced the rod and welded closed the hole in the block
>> of my Ryobi garden tiller.  Does that count?
>> -
> 58,61,64,65 Beetles. Rebuilt heads in 3 engines; one because I started it 
> with ether and it pulled the headbolts. Installed inserts in crankcase for 
> that reason. Did usual brake jobs on 2 or 3 and usual maintainence.
> Bought 58 for $250 because owner couldn't find brake leak which was between 
> the double firewalls in the front of the cab and because one cylinder was 
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Re: [MBZ] 1995 E320 $3,500

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It’s not so much that the upholstery “wore out” but the perforated material in 
the center of the cushion breaks down from wear and UV and tears easily.

My 1995 E420 has the exact same issue, probably because it spend most of it’s 
life in south Florida. If this car spent a lot of time outside that could 
easily explain it. Also, the outer panels of the lower seat cushions in the 
rear are broken down as well, also an indicator of UV damage.

-D

> On Dec 6, 2020, at 5:14 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Weird that a 62K mile car would have the seat leather worn out and need
> all that suspension work?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] This car sells it self! 1986 Mercedes-Benz 560SL Roadster - $24, 990 (James Island)

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That's in a very high socioeconomic area, too. Carmel is where the “new money” 
in Indianapolis lives for the most part.

-D

> On Dec 6, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Maybe like this one?
> 
> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/carmel-1988-mercedes-benz-560-sl/7239871662.html
> 
> 
> 
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Maybe $15K if one documented owner/dealer serviced from day one.
>> 
>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 11:08 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> It does look nice but not $25k nice
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://hiltonhead.craigslist.org/cto/d/charleston-1986-mercedes-benz-560sl/7242376597.html
>>> 
>>> --
>>> --FT
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] VW Content: Isn't Poos cute?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I think I look especially good. The hat is a nice touch.

Being the youngest, I always got suckered into playing dress up with my big 
sister.

Mom’s 56 Beetle is in the background.

-D

> On Dec 5, 2020, at 5:48 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
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