date:20091027


Miles wrote:

Originally used Netscape, then SM, then with FX & TB for the past couple
of years. Thinking of returning to SM so updated to 2.0.

However, on installation had a choice of importing Netscape, TB or IE
and chose TB -- haven't yet checked if all mail, newsgroups & RSS feeds
are there, but for the moment will assume all is well.

Didn't find a choice to import from Firefox 3.5.4 -- mainly bookmarks
and passwords are needed. Was not allowed to select more than 1 of the
above items to import, then when installation was completed, searched
and didn't find a method to import from within SM. Tried again to
install, but wasn't offered the choices as first seen, so halted the
install.

How is data imported from Firefox 3.5.4?

Miles


So far as I understand it, SeaMonkey 2.0 will import one profile on the 
first run. Since the most profile intensive are Mail/News, TB or earlier 
SM or Netscape/Mozilla profiles are primary. IE would be there for new 
users from Windows.


I don't know why there is no FF import, but, since the backend is the 
same, copying files manually should not be a problem.


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2009-10-27 Thread Miles

Originally used Netscape, then SM, then with FX & TB for the past 
couple of years. Thinking of returning to SM so updated to 2.0.


However, on installation had a choice of importing Netscape, TB or IE 
and chose TB -- haven't yet checked if all mail, newsgroups & RSS 
feeds are there, but for the moment will assume all is well.


Didn't find a choice to import from Firefox 3.5.4 -- mainly bookmarks 
and passwords are needed.  Was not allowed to select more than 1 of 
the above items to import, then when installation was completed, 
searched and didn't find a method to import from within SM.  Tried 
again to install, but wasn't offered the choices as first seen, so 
halted the install.


How is data imported from Firefox 3.5.4?

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Re: Html Validator


Hartmut Figge wrote:

Leonidas Jones:


Quite right.  Mr tech gives a lot of other options, but it the need is
only for this one task, your way is best.


I'm hesitating using extensions because every day i compile a new nighly
and there is enough trouble even without extensions becoming rebellious. *g*

Hartmut


I hear you!

Still the major selling point for Firefox is its incredible 
extensibility.  It is great to see that becoming available for SeaMonkey 
as well.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations


Rufus wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Rufus wrote:

First and in general - I like it. But...

...have observed the following in about a hour of using SM 2.0 under OS
10.6.1 on a 3.06 GHz MacBook Pro with 4 Gig RAM:

1) SeaMonkey asks for the Master Password at startup even though I have
the Preference set to only ask at the first time it is needed - I'm not
using SSL, nor do I have SeaMonkey set to display Mail and
Newsgroups at
launch.

2) Holding down the Option key at launch does not bring up the Profile
Manager.

3) Transfer of my previous SM 1.1.18 Profile information was incomplete
at launch of SM 2.0 - Bookmarks and Preference settings transferred
completely; Mail and Newsgroup server settings, Preferences, Folders,
saved mail, etc. transferred completely, but Newsgroup Subscriptions
were only displayed for one Server/Account - the last one in the
Accounts list. All files appeared in the proper locations in the new
2.0
Profile, but were only displayed for the last listed Server/Account.

4) Right click (cntrl+click) does not consistently bring up the
contextual menu for Task Bar options if I right click anywhere within
the Task Bar - I seem to have to right click below the address bar
within the Task Bar in order to bring up the contextual menu
consistently. This occurs when using the (new) default theme, and is
less annoying in the Mail and Newsgroup windows - probably because
there
is more area to click within (no address line). Clicks appear to be
ignored within the line where the window title appears, upon
comparison.



5) If I customize the Toolbar for Mail and Newsgroups by adding the
Delete button, the button is hidden upon exit from Customize - again,
this is only true when using the default theme.



6) Bookmarks - I have a large collection of bookmarks, all nested in
folders. At the top of each folder there is now a grayed out entry
reading "(Empty)". But all of my bookmarks appear to have been
transferred from my previous 1.1.18 Profile.



7) I can't seem to find any indication/option for Tabbed Mail as
described in the Release Notes.



It works from here.  If you have a Mighty Mouse, or another scroll wheel 
mouse, middle click on a message, and it will open in a new tab in 
Mail/News. With a one button mouse, try Control+Click and choose open in 
a new Tab form teh context menu.


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Leonidas Jones:

>Quite right.  Mr tech gives a lot of other options, but it the need is 
>only for this one task, your way is best.

I'm hesitating using extensions because every day i compile a new nighly
and there is enough trouble even without extensions becoming rebellious. *g*

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Re: Password Manager SM 2..


JD wrote:

The password manager in SM version 2 sucks. Password Manager doesn't
fill in the user name or password until I enter the start of it. V
1.1.18 filled it in when I went to a page that had a user name and/or
password..

How long will V 1.1.18 be supported while I find something else to use?

I'm sorry to be such a complainer but I'm not impressed with my SM
"update".



Works as previous for Mac OS X - I go to the page and Password Manager 
fills in the entire stored entries.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations


Rufus wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Rufus wrote:

First and in general - I like it. But...

...have observed the following in about a hour of using SM 2.0
under OS
10.6.1 on a 3.06 GHz MacBook Pro with 4 Gig RAM:

1) SeaMonkey asks for the Master Password at startup even though I
have
the Preference set to only ask at the first time it is needed - I'm
not
using SSL, nor do I have SeaMonkey set to display Mail and
Newsgroups at
launch.


I can't speak to the Master Password, as I have never used it.


If you use the Password Manager, you need to set up a Master Password.
All of the information from my 1.1.18 Mozilla folder transferred
correctly, including my Master Password. It's just that SM seems to be
asking for it at random - this was also a problem for me with SM 1.1.18.


Well,I use the Password Manager quite frequently, and I have never set
up a Master Password. Password Manager works just fine without it.


...interesting...I've never used Password Manager without a Master
Password. Without a Master, I'd think anyone that opened your browser
could launch the Password Manager and read all of your passwords. Not a
very secure way to operate, IMO...


Well, it depends on your situation.  From here there is no real chance 
of anyone other then me opening SeaMonkey on this computer.  Therefore, 
a Master Password in unnecessary. If someone has broken into my house, 
well I guess security has gone to hell anyway. My user account is 
password protected, of course, so my data is as safe as its going to get.








2) Holding down the Option key at launch does not bring up the Profile
Manager.


I am glad you mention this. Holding down the Option key while clicking
the Dock icon now seems to start SM in Safe Mode. You would not notice
this if you don't have third party themes or extensions installed. This
could be very handy indeed.

Profile manager would need to be invoked via Terminal.



So far I only have the basic 2.0 install operating - I think the only
add-on I have is a Google search one.


This method of invoking Safe mode will prove very handy in the future.
Maybe not, I sincerely hope that you will never have a problem that
requires it. :)



...I'll have to figure out what I'd do that for...never had to yet.


It is the first go to for troubleshooting. It disables all extensions 
and third party themes, and lets you know if a problem is caused by an 
addon, or if it is in the program or profile.




At present I only have one Profile, but I can invoke the Profile Manager
from the within the SM Menu Bar by selecting Switch Profile/Manage
Profiles.


Duh Of course, there would not be a need to invoke PM from the Dock.
Its getting to late, I'm not thinking straight, thanks for getting me on
the right path!


In the past I've found it very handy to launch PM at start up to add a
new Profile and proceed directly to it.


Safe Mode is not at all a means of determining a problem. Being able to 
create a new profile easily is an important step when problems occur.






3) Transfer of my previous SM 1.1.18 Profile information was
incomplete
at launch of SM 2.0 - Bookmarks and Preference settings transferred
completely; Mail and Newsgroup server settings, Preferences, Folders,
saved mail, etc. transferred completely, but Newsgroup Subscriptions
were only displayed for one Server/Account - the last one in the
Accounts list. All files appeared in the proper locations in the new
2.0
Profile, but were only displayed for the last listed Server/Account.


This has been a problem for many users. The Import Profile Wizard,
while
it seems to work fine for most users, does not always complete its job.
However, this is a major change in the program. While you may have to
transfer your newsgroups accounts manually, once its done, its done,
and
should not be a problem for future 2.0.x upgrades. You might try
recreating the other accounts, point them to the existing files, and
see
if they are picked up.


I ended up re-subscribing to the groups on one server, and had to
actually delete and rebuild the account to be able to use this one and
get to the Mozilla groups. As you say, I should be done with that now.



4) Right click (cntrl+click) does not consistently bring up the
contextual menu for Task Bar options if I right click anywhere within
the Task Bar - I seem to have to right click below the address bar
within the Task Bar in order to bring up the contextual menu
consistently. This occurs when using the (new) default theme, and is
less annoying in the Mail and Newsgroup windows - probably because
there
is more area to click within (no address line). Clicks appear to be
ignored within the line where the window title appears, upon
comparison.



Task Bar is a Windows term, so I don't know exactly what you mean. I am
sorry to nitpick on terms, but I have to understand exactly what you
mean.

Do you mean the Menu bar, which is detached from the application window
and appear

Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations


Rufus wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Rufus wrote:

First and in general - I like it. But...

...have observed the following in about a hour of using SM 2.0 under OS
10.6.1 on a 3.06 GHz MacBook Pro with 4 Gig RAM:

1) SeaMonkey asks for the Master Password at startup even though I have
the Preference set to only ask at the first time it is needed - I'm not
using SSL, nor do I have SeaMonkey set to display Mail and Newsgroups at
launch.

2) Holding down the Option key at launch does not bring up the Profile
Manager.

3) Transfer of my previous SM 1.1.18 Profile information was incomplete
at launch of SM 2.0 - Bookmarks and Preference settings transferred
completely; Mail and Newsgroup server settings, Preferences, Folders,
saved mail, etc. transferred completely, but Newsgroup Subscriptions
were only displayed for one Server/Account - the last one in the
Accounts list. All files appeared in the proper locations in the new 2.0
Profile, but were only displayed for the last listed Server/Account.

4) Right click (cntrl+click) does not consistently bring up the
contextual menu for Task Bar options if I right click anywhere within
the Task Bar - I seem to have to right click below the address bar
within the Task Bar in order to bring up the contextual menu
consistently. This occurs when using the (new) default theme, and is
less annoying in the Mail and Newsgroup windows - probably because there
is more area to click within (no address line). Clicks appear to be
ignored within the line where the window title appears, upon comparison.



5) If I customize the Toolbar for Mail and Newsgroups by adding the
Delete button, the button is hidden upon exit from Customize - again,
this is only true when using the default theme.



6) Bookmarks - I have a large collection of bookmarks, all nested in
folders. At the top of each folder there is now a grayed out entry
reading "(Empty)". But all of my bookmarks appear to have been
transferred from my previous 1.1.18 Profile.



7) I can't seem to find any indication/option for Tabbed Mail as 
described in the Release Notes.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations


Leonidas Jones wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Rufus wrote:

First and in general - I like it. But...

...have observed the following in about a hour of using SM 2.0 under OS
10.6.1 on a 3.06 GHz MacBook Pro with 4 Gig RAM:

1) SeaMonkey asks for the Master Password at startup even though I have
the Preference set to only ask at the first time it is needed - I'm not
using SSL, nor do I have SeaMonkey set to display Mail and
Newsgroups at
launch.


I can't speak to the Master Password, as I have never used it.


If you use the Password Manager, you need to set up a Master Password.
All of the information from my 1.1.18 Mozilla folder transferred
correctly, including my Master Password. It's just that SM seems to be
asking for it at random - this was also a problem for me with SM 1.1.18.


Well,I use the Password Manager quite frequently, and I have never set
up a Master Password. Password Manager works just fine without it.


...interesting...I've never used Password Manager without a Master 
Password.  Without a Master, I'd think anyone that opened your browser 
could launch the Password Manager and read all of your passwords.  Not a 
very secure way to operate, IMO...






2) Holding down the Option key at launch does not bring up the Profile
Manager.


I am glad you mention this. Holding down the Option key while clicking
the Dock icon now seems to start SM in Safe Mode. You would not notice
this if you don't have third party themes or extensions installed. This
could be very handy indeed.

Profile manager would need to be invoked via Terminal.



So far I only have the basic 2.0 install operating - I think the only
add-on I have is a Google search one.


This method of invoking Safe mode will prove very handy in the future.
Maybe not, I sincerely hope that you will never have a problem that
requires it. :)



...I'll have to figure out what I'd do that for...never had to yet.



At present I only have one Profile, but I can invoke the Profile Manager
from the within the SM Menu Bar by selecting Switch Profile/Manage
Profiles.


Duh Of course, there would not be a need to invoke PM from the Dock.
Its getting to late, I'm not thinking straight, thanks for getting me on
the right path!


In the past I've found it very handy to launch PM at start up to add a 
new Profile and proceed directly to it.






3) Transfer of my previous SM 1.1.18 Profile information was incomplete
at launch of SM 2.0 - Bookmarks and Preference settings transferred
completely; Mail and Newsgroup server settings, Preferences, Folders,
saved mail, etc. transferred completely, but Newsgroup Subscriptions
were only displayed for one Server/Account - the last one in the
Accounts list. All files appeared in the proper locations in the new
2.0
Profile, but were only displayed for the last listed Server/Account.


This has been a problem for many users. The Import Profile Wizard, while
it seems to work fine for most users, does not always complete its job.
However, this is a major change in the program. While you may have to
transfer your newsgroups accounts manually, once its done, its done, and
should not be a problem for future 2.0.x upgrades. You might try
recreating the other accounts, point them to the existing files, and see
if they are picked up.


I ended up re-subscribing to the groups on one server, and had to
actually delete and rebuild the account to be able to use this one and
get to the Mozilla groups. As you say, I should be done with that now.



4) Right click (cntrl+click) does not consistently bring up the
contextual menu for Task Bar options if I right click anywhere within
the Task Bar - I seem to have to right click below the address bar
within the Task Bar in order to bring up the contextual menu
consistently. This occurs when using the (new) default theme, and is
less annoying in the Mail and Newsgroup windows - probably because
there
is more area to click within (no address line). Clicks appear to be
ignored within the line where the window title appears, upon
comparison.



Task Bar is a Windows term, so I don't know exactly what you mean. I am
sorry to nitpick on terms, but I have to understand exactly what you
mean.

Do you mean the Menu bar, which is detached from the application window
and appears at the top of the screen, or the Navigation Toolbar, which
is at the top of the application window, and contains the Location bar?
I suspect the latter.

Are you trying to get the Customize dialog? Right Click (Control Click)
anywhere on the Navigation Toolbar, as long as I don't click right on
the Location bar, I get the context menu to invoke it.

Lee.



The "header bar" in the main SeaMonkey window(s) - not the OS X Menu
Bar. The option in the window's contextual menu actually calls it the
"Toolbar". I can't just "click anywhere" - I have to click below the URL
entry space in order to get the contextual menu to appear. As noted, the
area of the Toolbar containing the line for the window title

Re: Html Validator


Hartmut Figge wrote:

Leonidas Jones:

Frosted Flake wrote:



Is there a version of HTML Validator (TIDY) available for SeaMonkey 2.0?

The current version of TIDY 0.8.5.8 gives:
Html Validator 0.8.5.8 could not be installed because it is not
compatible with SeaMonkey 2.0.


Try installing the Mr Tech Toolkit, and use it to disable addons
compatibility checking.


Another possiblity is using
user_pref("extensions.checkCompatibility", false);

Hartmut


Quite right.  Mr tech gives a lot of other options, but it the need is 
only for this one task, your way is best.


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Re: Password Manager SM 2..


JD wrote:

JD wrote:

The password manager in SM version 2 sucks. Password Manager doesn't
fill in the user name or password until I enter the start of it. V
1.1.18 filled it in when I went to a page that had a user name and/or
password..

How long will V 1.1.18 be supported while I find something else to use?

I'm sorry to be such a complainer but I'm not impressed with my SM
"update".



OK. It appears I have to left mouse click and then I can select a user
name. I guess I can get used to that but the older version was easier.




Its all in what you're used to.  I've been using SM 2.0 since Alpha3, 
and it has become second nature.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations


Rufus wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Rufus wrote:

First and in general - I like it. But...

...have observed the following in about a hour of using SM 2.0 under OS
10.6.1 on a 3.06 GHz MacBook Pro with 4 Gig RAM:

1) SeaMonkey asks for the Master Password at startup even though I have
the Preference set to only ask at the first time it is needed - I'm not
using SSL, nor do I have SeaMonkey set to display Mail and Newsgroups at
launch.


I can't speak to the Master Password, as I have never used it.


If you use the Password Manager, you need to set up a Master Password.
All of the information from my 1.1.18 Mozilla folder transferred
correctly, including my Master Password. It's just that SM seems to be
asking for it at random - this was also a problem for me with SM 1.1.18.


Well,I use the Password Manager quite frequently, and I have never set 
up a Master Password.  Password Manager works just fine without it.




2) Holding down the Option key at launch does not bring up the Profile
Manager.


I am glad you mention this. Holding down the Option key while clicking
the Dock icon now seems to start SM in Safe Mode. You would not notice
this if you don't have third party themes or extensions installed. This
could be very handy indeed.

Profile manager would need to be invoked via Terminal.



So far I only have the basic 2.0 install operating - I think the only
add-on I have is a Google search one.


This method of invoking Safe mode will prove very handy in the future. 
Maybe not, I sincerely hope that you will never have a problem that 
requires it. :)




At present I only have one Profile, but I can invoke the Profile Manager
from the within the SM Menu Bar by selecting Switch Profile/Manage
Profiles.


Duh  Of course, there would not be a need to invoke PM from the 
Dock.  Its getting to late, I'm not thinking straight, thanks for 
getting me on the right path!




3) Transfer of my previous SM 1.1.18 Profile information was incomplete
at launch of SM 2.0 - Bookmarks and Preference settings transferred
completely; Mail and Newsgroup server settings, Preferences, Folders,
saved mail, etc. transferred completely, but Newsgroup Subscriptions
were only displayed for one Server/Account - the last one in the
Accounts list. All files appeared in the proper locations in the new 2.0
Profile, but were only displayed for the last listed Server/Account.


This has been a problem for many users. The Import Profile Wizard, while
it seems to work fine for most users, does not always complete its job.
However, this is a major change in the program. While you may have to
transfer your newsgroups accounts manually, once its done, its done, and
should not be a problem for future 2.0.x upgrades. You might try
recreating the other accounts, point them to the existing files, and see
if they are picked up.


I ended up re-subscribing to the groups on one server, and had to
actually delete and rebuild the account to be able to use this one and
get to the Mozilla groups. As you say, I should be done with that now.



4) Right click (cntrl+click) does not consistently bring up the
contextual menu for Task Bar options if I right click anywhere within
the Task Bar - I seem to have to right click below the address bar
within the Task Bar in order to bring up the contextual menu
consistently. This occurs when using the (new) default theme, and is
less annoying in the Mail and Newsgroup windows - probably because there
is more area to click within (no address line). Clicks appear to be
ignored within the line where the window title appears, upon comparison.



Task Bar is a Windows term, so I don't know exactly what you mean. I am
sorry to nitpick on terms, but I have to understand exactly what you
mean.

Do you mean the Menu bar, which is detached from the application window
and appears at the top of the screen, or the Navigation Toolbar, which
is at the top of the application window, and contains the Location bar?
I suspect the latter.

Are you trying to get the Customize dialog? Right Click (Control Click)
anywhere on the Navigation Toolbar, as long as I don't click right on
the Location bar, I get the context menu to invoke it.

Lee.



The "header bar" in the main SeaMonkey window(s) - not the OS X Menu
Bar. The option in the window's contextual menu actually calls it the
"Toolbar". I can't just "click anywhere" - I have to click below the URL
entry space in order to get the contextual menu to appear. As noted, the
area of the Toolbar containing the line for the window title appears to
be excluded - and this only happens with the new default theme.



I using a third party theme, Sailfish's Venerable Modern, so maybe 
that's the discrepancy. On Win XP I have the default theme, and as long 
as I don't right click on the Location Bar, the context menu comes up 
with the Customize option.


In Firefox, one can get the Customize dialog from the View Menu, but 
that seems to be missing in SM 2.0 for now. Right now I am just

Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations


Rufus wrote:

Rufus wrote:

First and in general - I like it. But...

...have observed the following in about a hour of using SM 2.0 under OS
10.6.1 on a 3.06 GHz MacBook Pro with 4 Gig RAM:

1) SeaMonkey asks for the Master Password at startup even though I have
the Preference set to only ask at the first time it is needed - I'm not
using SSL, nor do I have SeaMonkey set to display Mail and Newsgroups at
launch.

2) Holding down the Option key at launch does not bring up the Profile
Manager.

3) Transfer of my previous SM 1.1.18 Profile information was incomplete
at launch of SM 2.0 - Bookmarks and Preference settings transferred
completely; Mail and Newsgroup server settings, Preferences, Folders,
saved mail, etc. transferred completely, but Newsgroup Subscriptions
were only displayed for one Server/Account - the last one in the
Accounts list. All files appeared in the proper locations in the new 2.0
Profile, but were only displayed for the last listed Server/Account.

4) Right click (cntrl+click) does not consistently bring up the
contextual menu for Task Bar options if I right click anywhere within
the Task Bar - I seem to have to right click below the address bar
within the Task Bar in order to bring up the contextual menu
consistently. This occurs when using the (new) default theme, and is
less annoying in the Mail and Newsgroup windows - probably because there
is more area to click within (no address line). Clicks appear to be
ignored within the line where the window title appears, upon comparison.



5) If I customize the Toolbar for Mail and Newsgroups by adding the
Delete button, the button is hidden upon exit from Customize - again,
this is only true when using the default theme.



6) Bookmarks - I have a large collection of bookmarks, all nested in 
folders.  At the top of each folder there is now a grayed out entry 
reading "(Empty)".  But all of my bookmarks appear to have been 
transferred from my previous 1.1.18 Profile.


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Re: Html Validator

Leonidas Jones:
>Frosted Flake wrote:

>> Is there a version of HTML Validator (TIDY) available for SeaMonkey 2.0?
>>
>> The current version of TIDY 0.8.5.8 gives:
>> Html Validator 0.8.5.8 could not be installed because it is not
>> compatible with SeaMonkey 2.0.
>
>Try installing the Mr Tech Toolkit, and use it to disable addons 
>compatibility checking.

Another possiblity is using
user_pref("extensions.checkCompatibility", false);

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations


Leonidas Jones wrote:

Rufus wrote:

First and in general - I like it. But...

...have observed the following in about a hour of using SM 2.0 under OS
10.6.1 on a 3.06 GHz MacBook Pro with 4 Gig RAM:

1) SeaMonkey asks for the Master Password at startup even though I have
the Preference set to only ask at the first time it is needed - I'm not
using SSL, nor do I have SeaMonkey set to display Mail and Newsgroups at
launch.


I can't speak to the Master Password, as I have never used it.


If you use the Password Manager, you need to set up a Master Password. 
All of the information from my 1.1.18 Mozilla folder transferred 
correctly, including my Master Password.  It's just that SM seems to be 
asking for it at random - this was also a problem for me with SM 1.1.18.




2) Holding down the Option key at launch does not bring up the Profile
Manager.


I am glad you mention this. Holding down the Option key while clicking
the Dock icon now seems to start SM in Safe Mode. You would not notice
this if you don't have third party themes or extensions installed. This
could be very handy indeed.

Profile manager would need to be invoked via Terminal.



So far I only have the basic 2.0 install operating - I think the only 
add-on I have is a Google search one.


At present I only have one Profile, but I can invoke the Profile Manager 
from the within the SM Menu Bar by selecting Switch Profile/Manage Profiles.




3) Transfer of my previous SM 1.1.18 Profile information was incomplete
at launch of SM 2.0 - Bookmarks and Preference settings transferred
completely; Mail and Newsgroup server settings, Preferences, Folders,
saved mail, etc. transferred completely, but Newsgroup Subscriptions
were only displayed for one Server/Account - the last one in the
Accounts list. All files appeared in the proper locations in the new 2.0
Profile, but were only displayed for the last listed Server/Account.


This has been a problem for many users. The Import Profile Wizard, while
it seems to work fine for most users, does not always complete its job.
However, this is a major change in the program. While you may have to
transfer your newsgroups accounts manually, once its done, its done, and
should not be a problem for future 2.0.x upgrades. You might try
recreating the other accounts, point them to the existing files, and see
if they are picked up.


I ended up re-subscribing to the groups on one server, and had to 
actually delete and rebuild the account to be able to use this one and 
get to the Mozilla groups.  As you say, I should be done with that now.




4) Right click (cntrl+click) does not consistently bring up the
contextual menu for Task Bar options if I right click anywhere within
the Task Bar - I seem to have to right click below the address bar
within the Task Bar in order to bring up the contextual menu
consistently. This occurs when using the (new) default theme, and is
less annoying in the Mail and Newsgroup windows - probably because there
is more area to click within (no address line). Clicks appear to be
ignored within the line where the window title appears, upon comparison.



Task Bar is a Windows term, so I don't know exactly what you mean. I am
sorry to nitpick on terms, but I have to understand exactly what you mean.

Do you mean the Menu bar, which is detached from the application window
and appears at the top of the screen, or the Navigation Toolbar, which
is at the top of the application window, and contains the Location bar?
I suspect the latter.

Are you trying to get the Customize dialog? Right Click (Control Click)
anywhere on the Navigation Toolbar, as long as I don't click right on
the Location bar, I get the context menu to invoke it.

Lee.



The "header bar" in the main SeaMonkey window(s) - not the OS X Menu 
Bar.  The option in the window's contextual menu actually calls it the 
"Toolbar".  I can't just "click anywhere" - I have to click below the 
URL entry space in order to get the contextual menu to appear.  As 
noted, the area of the Toolbar containing the line for the window title 
appears to be excluded - and this only happens with the new default theme.


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Re: Password Manager SM 2..


JD wrote:

The password manager in SM version 2 sucks. Password Manager doesn't
fill in the user name or password until I enter the start of it. V
1.1.18 filled it in when I went to a page that had a user name and/or
password..

How long will V 1.1.18 be supported while I find something else to use?

I'm sorry to be such a complainer but I'm not impressed with my SM
"update".



OK. It appears I have to left mouse click and then I can select a user 
name. I guess I can get used to that but the older version was easier.



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Re: Html Validator


Frosted Flake wrote:

Is there a version of HTML Validator (TIDY) available for SeaMonkey 2.0?

The current version of TIDY 0.8.5.8 gives:
Html Validator 0.8.5.8 could not be installed because it is not
compatible with SeaMonkey 2.0.


Try installing the Mr Tech Toolkit, and use it to disable addons 
compatibility checking.  It may install then.  I don't know for sure 
since I don't use it as an extension.


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Re: Where To Install SM2..

James wrote:

In case anyone missed it:  I believe my post below is wrong and Lee is
right; as I apparently still have the old copy on my hard drive. The old
link apparently was changed to point to the new version and it's at a
slightly different location.

I don't know why the Seamonkey installation instructions tells you it's
going to overwrite your existing version if it doesn't...

James
.
.

From: James
To:support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
Subject: Subject: Re: Where To Install SM2..
Message-ID:<4ae7bee1.9010...@gte.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

I just updated and as far as I can see the entire old Seamonkey is gone
[overwritten] just like the Seamonkey site tells you it's going to be.
I just wondered where you got the idea that it wouldn't do what they
specifically tell you it_will_ do. Perhaps in a Beta???

Anyway, clicking on my old shortcut to Seamonkey 1.x now loads Seamonkey
2.0 and I don't see the old one anywhere. It's probably not a good idea
to keep telling people they'll still have the old version to fall back
on when the download page tells you that you won't. Maybe if you
installed it in some other location???

I'm using Vista Home Basic 64 bit.

James
.
.

> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:44:07 -0400
> From: Leonidas Jones
> To:support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
> Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Where To Install SM2..
> Message-ID:
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> James wrote:
>

>> > Then why is this note on the Seamonkey page under Installation?
>> >
>> >
>> >

>>

>>> >> Installation
>>> >>
>>> >> Please note that installing SeaMonkey 2.0 will overwrite
your existing
>>> >> installation of SeaMonkey. You won't lose any of your
bookmarks,
>>> >> browsing history or mail and news messages, but some of your
>>> >> extensions and other add-ons might not work until updates
for them are
>>> >> made available.
>>> >>

>>> >> > .
>> > .
>> > Thanks,
>> > James
>> > .
>> > .

>>

>>> >> First of all, even if you install SM 2.0 in the default
location, it
>>> >> will not overwrite the existing SM 1.1.x. It installs to
its own
>>> >> location, and sets up a new profile in a new location. As
long as you
>>> >> do not uninstall SM 1.1.x, you cn easily run the two
independently of
>>> >> each other.

>>> >> >
>> >

>>

> Well, all I can say is that installing 2.0 on Win XP SP3 installed
to a
> separate SeaMonkey folder in Program Files, leaving 1.1.14
untouched in
> the mozilla.org folder.
>
> On the other hand, on Mac OS X, I installed it as instructed to
> Applications, which did overwrite 1.1.18.
>
> At least that is what happened to me.
>
> Lee

Whew!!!

Thanks for confirming that!  I suspect the directions were written 
before the fact, and things changed at the last minute.  Anyhow, I'm 
glad you have both versions.

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Password Manager SM 2..

The password manager in SM version 2 sucks. Password Manager doesn't 
fill in the user name or password until I enter the start of it. V 
1.1.18 filled it in when I went to a page that had a user name and/or 
password..


How long will V 1.1.18 be supported while I find something else to use?

I'm sorry to be such a complainer but I'm not impressed with my SM 
"update".


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Re: SM 2.0 Ubuntu 8.04 .deb package (64-bit)


Lou wrote:

Since Ubuntu won't release SM 2.0 for 8.04 (Hardy Heron), I decided to
compile it myself and made a .deb package. Anyone interested in trying
it can get it here (click on seamonkey_2.0-1_amd64.deb to download)
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=9db35479c75a777d08f8df73f2072ed6e04e75f6e8ebb871


It installs to /usr/local/lib/seamonkey-2.0 and the executable goes to
/usr/local/bin/seamonkey. On a standard Ubuntu installation, that should
be on your path and should run from a terminal with no problems, but you
may have to edit the menu entry (KDE, Gnome,) to point to the right
place.


Thanks Lou, this is a great help!

Lee
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations


Rufus wrote:

First and in general - I like it.  But...

...have observed the following in about a hour of using SM 2.0 under OS
10.6.1 on a 3.06 GHz MacBook Pro with 4 Gig RAM:

1) SeaMonkey asks for the Master Password at startup even though I have
the Preference set to only ask at the first time it is needed - I'm not
using SSL, nor do I have SeaMonkey set to display Mail and Newsgroups at
launch.


I can't speak to the Master Password, as I have never used it.


2) Holding down the Option key at launch does not bring up the Profile
Manager.


I am glad you mention this.  Holding down the Option key while clicking 
the Dock icon now seems to start SM in Safe Mode.  You would not notice 
this if you don't have third party themes or extensions installed.  This 
could be very handy indeed.


Profile manager would need to be invoked via Terminal.



3) Transfer of my previous SM 1.1.18 Profile information was incomplete
at launch of SM 2.0 - Bookmarks and Preference settings transferred
completely; Mail and Newsgroup server settings, Preferences, Folders,
saved mail, etc. transferred completely, but Newsgroup Subscriptions
were only displayed for one Server/Account - the last one in the
Accounts list. All files appeared in the proper locations in the new 2.0
Profile, but were only displayed for the last listed Server/Account.


This has been a problem for many users. The Import Profile Wizard, while 
it seems to work fine for most users, does not always complete its job. 
However, this is a major change in the program.  While you may have to 
transfer your newsgroups accounts manually, once its done, its done, and 
should not be a problem for future 2.0.x upgrades.  You might try 
recreating the other accounts, point them to the existing files, and see 
if they are picked up.


4) Right click (cntrl+click) does not consistently bring up the
contextual menu for Task Bar options if I right click anywhere within
the Task Bar - I seem to have to right click below the address bar
within the Task Bar in order to bring up the contextual menu
consistently. This occurs when using the (new) default theme, and is
less annoying in the Mail and Newsgroup windows - probably because there
is more area to click within (no address line). Clicks appear to be
ignored within the line where the window title appears, upon comparison.



Task Bar is a Windows term, so I don't know exactly what you mean. I am 
sorry to nitpick on terms, but I have to understand exactly what you mean.


Do you mean the Menu bar, which is detached from the application window 
and appears at the top of the screen, or the Navigation Toolbar, which 
is at the top of the application window, and contains the Location bar? 
I suspect the latter.


Are you trying to get the Customize dialog? Right Click (Control Click) 
anywhere on the Navigation Toolbar, as long as I don't click right on 
the Location bar, I get the context menu to invoke it.


Lee.

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SM 2.0 bookmarks question

2009-10-27 Thread cmcadams

Can anyone tell me if SM2's bookmarks sorts are 'persistent' (as in 
1.1.18's physical sort of the html file). FF's inability to do this, 
the last time I tried it, was a deal-breaker. I've read that SM's 
bookmarks are now stored in a 'database', but that doesn't tell me 
anything about defaults or behavior.



Previous, and hasty, incarnation of this msg's Subject was "SM 2.0 
mail bookmarks question" ... well, it was late.

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Re: Now that v2.0 final is out, time to start upgrading...

2009-10-27 Thread Ant

Thanks all who replied! :) I will probably install v2.0 on a weekend or 
sometimes whe I have more free time to install, configure, etc.


On 10/27/2009 6:45 AM PT, Ant typed:


Hello!

I plan to do a CLEAN install instead of upgrading to reconfigure 
everything from scratch in both my Debian/Linux and Windows XP Pro. 
SP2-3 boxes.


Questions:
1. Can I just copy the old SM v1.1.18 plugins (QuickTime v7.6.4, 
RealPlayer v6.0.12.448, Flash v10.0 r32, VeohTV, Sun Java Platform SE 6 
U15, MS DRM, Windows Media Player Plug-in, etc.) to SM2's plugins 
without any changes and problems? Are they all compatible?
2. How do I keep my multiple PC's SM v2 bookmarks, address books, 
e-mails, etc. in sychronized manually? I usually copy my bookmarks.html, 
abook*.mab, and e-mails between PCs.
3. Speaking of bookmarks, addressbooks, e-mails, etc. Can I copy/import 
the old datas into SM2 easily since I am doing a clean install?
4. I see no Mac OS X 10.2.8 support. Can I compile my own or get it from 
a third party? I still use SM v1.1.18 on it.
5. I have about eighteen extensions in SeaMonkey v1.1.18, but I'd hate 
to lose them and I assume they won't work in v2. Are there replacements 
or do hey still work? Here's the list of my installed extensions:

* BugMeNot (mailto:ehami...@gmail.com)
* Colored Tabs 1.3
* Coralize 0.9 (http://piki.org/patrick/)
* Extension Uninstaller API 2.0 (http://jgillick.nettripper.com/)
* Flashblock (http://flashblock.mozdev.org/)
* IE View 1.4.3 (http://ieview.mozdev.org/)
* Mnenhy - Chrome Manager (http://mnenhy.mozdev.org/)
* Mnenhy - Custom Headers (http://mnenhy.mozdev.org/)
* Mnenhy - Junk Filter Tools (http://mnenhy.mozdev.org/)
* Mnenhy - MailNews FolderStore (http://mnenhy.mozdev.org/)
* Mnenhy - MailNews Sidebar (http://mnenhy.mozdev.org/)
* Mnenhy - MailNews-Enhancements (http://mnenhy.mozdev.org/)
* Mnenhy - Registry Viewer (http://mnenhy.mozdev.org/)
* Mnenhy - Text Codecs (http://mnenhy.mozdev.org/)
* Preferences Toolbar (http://prefbar.mozdev.org/)
* SessionSaver 0.2d (http://adblock.mozdev.org/sessionsaver

I probably will have more questions soon. Thank you in advance. :)



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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations


Rufus wrote:

First and in general - I like it.  But...

...have observed the following in about a hour of using SM 2.0 under OS
10.6.1 on a 3.06 GHz MacBook Pro with 4 Gig RAM:

1) SeaMonkey asks for the Master Password at startup even though I have
the Preference set to only ask at the first time it is needed - I'm not
using SSL, nor do I have SeaMonkey set to display Mail and Newsgroups at
launch.

2) Holding down the Option key at launch does not bring up the Profile
Manager.

3) Transfer of my previous SM 1.1.18 Profile information was incomplete
at launch of SM 2.0 - Bookmarks and Preference settings transferred
completely; Mail and Newsgroup server settings, Preferences, Folders,
saved mail, etc. transferred completely, but Newsgroup Subscriptions
were only displayed for one Server/Account - the last one in the
Accounts list. All files appeared in the proper locations in the new 2.0
Profile, but were only displayed for the last listed Server/Account.

4) Right click (cntrl+click) does not consistently bring up the
contextual menu for Task Bar options if I right click anywhere within
the Task Bar - I seem to have to right click below the address bar
within the Task Bar in order to bring up the contextual menu
consistently. This occurs when using the (new) default theme, and is
less annoying in the Mail and Newsgroup windows - probably because there
is more area to click within (no address line). Clicks appear to be
ignored within the line where the window title appears, upon comparison.



5) If I customize the Toolbar for Mail and Newsgroups by adding the 
Delete button, the button is hidden upon exit from Customize - again, 
this is only true when using the default theme.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

2009-10-27 Thread Steve Wendt


On 10/27/09 07:38 pm, e...@edmullen.net wrote:


If I can't remember that one login begins with "1" and the other login
begins with "e" and the third login begins with "j" ... well, how the
hell is this new paradigm better? I mean, look, I plugged all this data
into SeaMonkey so SM could remember it, not me.


Click in the user name field, then click in it again.  It should give 
you a drop-down list of saved items.

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Re: Html Validator

2009-10-27 Thread Buzzer

27-Oct-2009 числа в 21:25 часов, Frosted Flake написал(а) следующее:

> Is there a version of HTML Validator (TIDY) available for SeaMonkey
> 2.0?
>
> The current version of TIDY 0.8.5.8 gives:
> Html Validator 0.8.5.8 could not be installed because it is not  
> compatible with SeaMonkey 2.0.

I run tidy as stand alone validator from command line.

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SM 2.0 mail bookmarks question

2009-10-27 Thread cmcadams

Can anyone tell me if SM2 does a *physical* bookmarks sort (as 1.1.18 
does). FF's inability to do so, the last time I tried it, was a 
deal-breaker for me.

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Re: Subject: Re: Where To Install SM2..

James wrote:

I just updated and as far as I can see the entire old Seamonkey is gone
[overwritten] just like the Seamonkey site tells you it's going to be. I
just wondered where you got the idea that it wouldn't do what they
specifically tell you it _will_ do. Perhaps in a Beta???

Anyway, clicking on my old shortcut to Seamonkey 1.x now loads Seamonkey
2.0 and I don't see the old one anywhere. It's probably not a good idea
to keep telling people they'll still have the old version to fall back
on when the download page tells you that you won't. Maybe if you
installed it in some other location???

I'm using Vista Home Basic 64 bit.

James
.
.

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:44:07 -0400
From: Leonidas Jones
To:support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Where To Install SM2..
Message-ID:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

James wrote:

> Then why is this note on the Seamonkey page under Installation?
>
>
>

>> Installation
>>
>> Please note that installing SeaMonkey 2.0 will overwrite your
existing
>> installation of SeaMonkey. You won't lose any of your bookmarks,
>> browsing history or mail and news messages, but some of your
>> extensions and other add-ons might not work until updates for
them are
>> made available.
>>

> .
> .
> Thanks,
> James
> .
> .

>> First of all, even if you install SM 2.0 in the default location, it
>> will not overwrite the existing SM 1.1.x. It installs to its own
>> location, and sets up a new profile in a new location. As long as
you
>> do not uninstall SM 1.1.x, you cn easily run the two
independently of
>> each other.

>
>

Well, all I can say is that installing 2.0 on Win XP SP3 installed to a
separate SeaMonkey folder in Program Files, leaving 1.1.14 untouched in
the mozilla.org folder.

On the other hand, on Mac OS X, I installed it as instructed to
Applications, which did overwrite 1.1.18.

At least that is what happened to me.

Lee

Okay, I have installed SM 1.1.18 on Vista Ultimate, 64.  Here is the 
path to the program:

C:\Program Files (x86)\mozilla.org\SeaMonkey\SeaMonkey.exe

This opens 1.1.18.  The profile is here:

C:\users\(username)\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Profiles\(profilename\.slt

I then installed SM 2.0, and migrated the profile data.  the progarm is 
here:

C:\Program Files (x86)\SeaMonkey\SeaMonkey.exe

The profile is here:

C:\users\(username)\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\.default

By navigating to the exe in the appropriate Programs File folder, I can 
open either. You can tell easily by the different default theme.  (By 
the way, the default 2.0 theme is a great improvement!)

It is true that when 2.0 is installed, the desktop shortcut will point 
to it.  But my navigating to the exe in Program Files 
(x86)\mozilla.org\Seamonkey\, you can open 1.1.18, with its distinct 
profile. You can even create a separate desktop shortcut pointing to 
that version.

Lee

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Re: Where To Install SM2..


Hartmut Figge wrote:

Hartmut Figge:

JD:



Same thing as a run command.


Have you tried?


And if you get the old SM with this method, well, then the seamonkey.exe
in D:\SeaMonkey2\ is probably not the exe which belongs to SM2. ;)

Hartmut


I know you're trying to help but since you don't use Windows you're not 
helping at all. SM 2 is now working but I'm not that impressed. It 
didn't import my newsgroups. I'll work it out but you've done nothing to 
help. Please stop trying to help.


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Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?

2009-10-27 Thread Steve Wendt


On 10/27/09 06:21 pm, Phillip Jones wrote:


Active-X will never, ever be safe. Java-script could be is some would
take the time. They make Java work in Sandbox (whatever that is). Why
can't Java-script. Must not be too dangerous Adobe acrobat uses it
extensively.


Acrobat also has a lot of security exploits (!).
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Re: Where To Install SM2..

Hartmut Figge:
>JD:

>>Same thing as a run command.
>
>Have you tried?

And if you get the old SM with this method, well, then the seamonkey.exe
in D:\SeaMonkey2\ is probably not the exe which belongs to SM2. ;)

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Re: Where To Install SM2..

It works the same way, despite what the installation instructions say.  
Apparently what fooled me to start with [other than the explicitly 
incorrect instructions] is that the quick launch icon seems to have been 
changed to point to the new version.  And a very quick look only showed 
one copy; but a second look showed the old one at a slightly different 
location.  I'm pretty sure it works on Vista just like on XP.  Sorry for 
the confusion.


James
.
.




From: Leonidas Jones
To:support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Where To Install SM2..
Message-ID:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

James wrote:
   

>  I just updated and as far as I can see the entire old Seamonkey is gone
>  [overwritten] just like the Seamonkey site tells you it's going to be. I
>  just wondered where you got the idea that it wouldn't do what they
>  specifically tell you it_will_  do. Perhaps in a Beta???
>
>  Anyway, clicking on my old shortcut to Seamonkey 1.x now loads Seamonkey
>  2.0 and I don't see the old one anywhere. It's probably not a good idea
>  to keep telling people they'll still have the old version to fall back
>  on when the download page tells you that you won't. Maybe if you
>  installed it in some other location???
>
>  I'm using Vista Home Basic 64 bit.
>
>  James
>  .
>  .
>
>
 

>>  Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:44:07 -0400
>>  From: Leonidas Jones
>>  To:support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
>>  Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Where To Install SM2..
>>  Message-ID:
>>  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>>  James wrote:
   

>>>  >  Then why is this note on the Seamonkey page under Installation?
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >
   

  >>  Installation
  >>
  >>  Please note that installing SeaMonkey 2.0 will overwrite your
   

  existing
   

  >>  installation of SeaMonkey. You won't lose any of your bookmarks,
  >>  browsing history or mail and news messages, but some of your
  >>  extensions and other add-ons might not work until updates for
   

  them are
   

  >>  made available.
  >>
   

>>>  >  .
>>>  >  .
>>>  >  Thanks,
>>>  >  James
>>>  >  .
>>>  >  .
   

  >>  First of all, even if you install SM 2.0 in the default location, it
  >>  will not overwrite the existing SM 1.1.x. It installs to its own
  >>  location, and sets up a new profile in a new location. As long as
   

  you
   

  >>  do not uninstall SM 1.1.x, you cn easily run the two
   

  independently of
   

  >>  each other.
   

>>>  >
>>>  >
   

>>  Well, all I can say is that installing 2.0 on Win XP SP3 installed to a
>>  separate SeaMonkey folder in Program Files, leaving 1.1.14 untouched in
>>  the mozilla.org folder.
>>
>>  On the other hand, on Mac OS X, I installed it as instructed to
>>  Applications, which did overwrite 1.1.18.
>>
>>  At least that is what happened to me.
>>
>>  Lee
   

>
 

Okay, my testing has been done on XP Pro sp3, as I have been stating
right along.  I don't know how it will behave on Vista.

Lee
   


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Re: Where To Install SM2..

JD:

>If your "don't know much either" then why are you replying?

To suggest that you should run D:\SeaMonkey2\seamonkey.exe directly.

>I left mouse click on the file D:\SeaMonkey2\seamonkey.exe and I get the 
>old version.

That you had written and it is a sign of that not the new exe was executed.

>Same thing as a run command.

Have you tried?

Hartmut
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Html Validator

2009-10-27 Thread Frosted Flake


Is there a version of HTML Validator (TIDY) available for SeaMonkey 2.0?

The current version of TIDY 0.8.5.8 gives:
Html Validator 0.8.5.8 could not be installed because it is not 
compatible with SeaMonkey 2.0.

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Re: Where To Install SM2..

In case anyone missed it:  I believe my post below is wrong and Lee is 
right; as I apparently still have the old copy on my hard drive.  The 
old link apparently was changed to point to the new version and it's at 
a slightly different location.

I don't know why the Seamonkey installation instructions tells you it's 
going to overwrite your existing version if it doesn't...

James
.
.

From: James
To:support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
Subject: Subject: Re: Where To Install SM2..
Message-ID:<4ae7bee1.9010...@gte.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

I just updated and as far as I can see the entire old Seamonkey is gone
[overwritten] just like the Seamonkey site tells you it's going to be.
I just wondered where you got the idea that it wouldn't do what they
specifically tell you it_will_  do.  Perhaps in a Beta???

Anyway, clicking on my old shortcut to Seamonkey 1.x now loads Seamonkey
2.0 and I don't see the old one anywhere.  It's probably not a good idea
to keep telling people they'll still have the old version to fall back
on when the download page tells you that you won't.  Maybe if you
installed it in some other location???

I'm using Vista Home Basic 64 bit.

James
.
.

>  Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:44:07 -0400
>  From: Leonidas Jones
>  To:support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
>  Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Where To Install SM2..
>  Message-ID:
>  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>  James wrote:
>  

>>  >Then why is this note on the Seamonkey page under Installation?
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >

>>  

>>>  >>Installation
>>>  >>
>>>  >>Please note that installing SeaMonkey 2.0 will overwrite your 
existing
>>>  >>installation of SeaMonkey. You won't lose any of your bookmarks,
>>>  >>browsing history or mail and news messages, but some of your
>>>  >>extensions and other add-ons might not work until updates for them 
are
>>>  >>made available.
>>>  >>

>>>  
>>  >.

>>  >.
>>  >Thanks,
>>  >James
>>  >.
>>  >.

>>  

>>>  >>First of all, even if you install SM 2.0 in the default location, it
>>>  >>will not overwrite the existing SM 1.1.x. It installs to its own
>>>  >>location, and sets up a new profile in a new location. As long as you
>>>  >>do not uninstall SM 1.1.x, you cn easily run the two independently of
>>>  >>each other.

>>>  
>>  >

>>  >

>>  

>  Well, all I can say is that installing 2.0 on Win XP SP3 installed to a
>  separate SeaMonkey folder in Program Files, leaving 1.1.14 untouched in
>  the mozilla.org folder.
>
>  On the other hand, on Mac OS X, I installed it as instructed to
>  Applications, which did overwrite 1.1.18.
>
>  At least that is what happened to me.
>
>  Lee

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Re: Where To Install SM2..


Hartmut Figge wrote:

Leonidas Jones:

JD wrote:



Did not work for me. I installed in into D:\SeaMonkey2 and when I launch
the .exe file in that folder


How?


I get my old SeaMonkey. SeaMonkey 1.1.18

The location and name of the file that gives me that version is:
D:\SeaMonkey2\seamonkey.exe

Right click Properties says: Version 1.9.1.4, Product Version: 2.0
Modified: 17 October 2009 12:08:30
I think we probably need to have someon who knows Windows better then I 
to jump in.


And i don't know much either. My last Win was Win98SE which i only used
for games. But i would start SM calling D:\SeaMonkey2\seamonkey.exe
directly from, uh, there is no xterm in Win, but surely there is a
possibility to execute such a command. :)

Hartmut


If your "don't know much either" then why are you replying?

I left mouse click on the file D:\SeaMonkey2\seamonkey.exe and I get the 
old version. Same thing as a run command.


Is there anybody here that uses Windows XP?

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Re: Where To Install SM2..

It looks like I was mistaken, as was the instructions on the 
installation page.  I've found the old copy still on my C drive.

Sorry for the confusion,
James
.
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From: psuatocobra  To: 
support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Where To 
Install SM2.. Message-ID: 
<0c95d1d6-b3e2-4bf3-95b9-c6d32a67e...@o10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Oct 27, 9:44 pm, 
Leonidas Jones  wrote:

>  James wrote:

>  >  Then why is this note on the Seamonkey page under Installation?

>

>  >>  Installation

>

>  >>  Please note that installing SeaMonkey 2.0 will overwrite your existing
>  >>  installation of SeaMonkey. You won't lose any of your bookmarks,
>  >>  browsing history or mail and news messages, but some of your
>  >>  extensions and other add-ons might not work until updates for them are
>  >>  made available.

>

>  >  .
>  >  .
>  >  Thanks,
>  >  James
>  >  .
>  >  .

>  >>  First of all, even if you install SM 2.0 in the default location, it
>  >>  will not overwrite the existing SM 1.1.x. It installs to its own
>  >>  location, and sets up a new profile in a new location. As long as you
>  >>  do not uninstall SM 1.1.x, you cn easily run the two independently of
>  >>  each other.

>
>  Well, all I can say is that installing 2.0 on Win XP SP3 installed to a
>  separate SeaMonkey folder in Program Files, leaving 1.1.14 untouched in
>  the mozilla.org folder.
>
>  On the other hand, on Mac OS X, I installed it as instructed to
>  Applications, which did overwrite 1.1.18.
>
>  At least that is what happened to me.
>
>  Lee

Do both SM 1.1.x&  SM 2.0 appear in Add/Remove programs? I'm also
running Win XP SP3 and want to give SM 2.0 a try. But, the prospect of
being able to run both SM 1.1.x&  SM 2.0 for at least a while is
desirable.

Thanks,
---psuatocobra

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SM 2.0 Ubuntu 8.04 .deb package (64-bit)

2009-10-27 Thread Lou

Since Ubuntu won't release SM 2.0 for 8.04 (Hardy Heron), I decided to 
compile it myself and made a .deb package.  Anyone interested in trying 
it can get it here (click on seamonkey_2.0-1_amd64.deb to download)

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=9db35479c75a777d08f8df73f2072ed6e04e75f6e8ebb871

It installs to /usr/local/lib/seamonkey-2.0 and the executable goes to 
/usr/local/bin/seamonkey.  On a standard Ubuntu installation, that 
should be on your path and should run from a terminal with no problems, 
but you may have to edit the menu entry (KDE, Gnome,)  to point to 
the right place.

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Re: TVguide - third time

2009-10-27 Thread Barry Edwin Gilmour


 NoOp wrote:

On 10/26/2009 09:33 PM, Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote:



perhaps a fuller-URL may open a guide -
http://au.tv.yahoo.com/tv-guide/?hour=12&min=24&date=27&mon=10&year=2009
Did it open the TV-guide for Sydney-AU, which is what I intended?
If so, click-on any show-name in the schedule to-open the pane detailing
the show/movie/etcetera.
It should open a pane with all the information, but if it only-opens a
white-pane in the page like what Bill is getting, then it's also not
working, and presumably is something like bad JavaScript in the page.


Well, I had to adjust the day:

:-)

  Midday Report(30)12:00pm - 12:30pm

National Press Club Address(60)12:30pm - 1:30pm

Talking HeadsG(30)1:30pm - 2:00pm

Parliament Question Time(60)2:00pm - 3:00pm


12:00pm - 12:30pm | ABC HD  News, Closed Captions
Up-to-the minute local, national and international news, with special
attention paid to business and the economy.

I'm running 2.0pre this morning; I'll need to switch to 2.0 (Final!
Yea!) to test again&  also w/Bill's link.

Gary

Gary, It uses the same-sort-of JavaScript-page-code as 
www.tvguide.com/Listings.


I only mentioned it, because when you click-on a show/program,it has the 
same sort of JavaScript-pop-up synopsis (that WFM).


Quote:

NoOp wrote:

On 10/27/2009 07:36 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:

Click on the name of a show, in Firefox 3.5.x and Seamonkey 1.1.18 you get a
summary of the program for the day. In SM 2.0-RC2build3 you get a big blank
hole. I'm not sure how Yahoo! got involved withwww.tvguide.com/Listings, local
DNS replacement or something?
/snip

It's a browser sniffer issue.

I tried 1.1.18 (windows and linux) and 2.0pre and 2.0 final (rc2) and
got the white blank that you are referring to. In Firefox 3.5.3 (windows
and linux) I had no issues.

So, using prefbar I added a Firefox (linux) UA:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.3) Gecko/20090824
Firefox/3.5.3
and checked again in 1.1.18 and 2.0(pre and final) and the site
displayed listings just fine.
   In 2.0 (linux) I even have it showing the listings in one tab w/the Fx
UA, and then switched to a different window&  tab, turned off the Fx UA
and that one is showing the blanks.

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091017
Lightning/1.0pre SeaMonkey/2.0


End Quote:

Well spotted, Gary!

Now, that bit of deep JavaScript browser-sniffing is tricky!

Bill and I are experienced-users, but even we got tricked by that one.

Problem:

You can see the normal-user 's angst, where I.E. and Fx run JavaScript 
in a page OK, but SeaMonkey won't!


The site happily opens and displays TV-pages, guides, and page's 
external-links.


It's only a info-pane JavaScript-Popup-failure, that's sniffing for a 
browser-UA (not a function-capability).



Workaround: UA-switching

Is it true when SeaMonkey fails a page-function, users must try a UA-switch?

Although we say SM is a dev's browser, I'd bet most SM-users are not devs!

Most SM-users wouldn't know (or care) what a UA is, much less how to do 
UA-switching in their SeaMonkey.


I think this type of failure would-encourage normal-users to-prefer a 
more-able browser.



bug:

(In this exact-case, the JavaScript-popup operates, but the content is 
omitted.)


How can the browser, sense/register that the function full-fails/part-fails?
(How can browsers sense the-need to-use another UA-string ?)

Is there a usable/recognizable code-signal-trigger, when JavaScript asks 
for UA-ID, within-a-page inside-the-browser?


If so,what code could-respond to-auto-switch a UA-string, when the-event 
occurs?


Conundrums, conundrums! Many thanks for the workaround, Gary. Barry.



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Re: Subject: Re: Where To Install SM2..


psuatocobra wrote:

On Oct 27, 9:44 pm, Leonidas Jones  wrote:

James wrote:

Then why is this note on the Seamonkey page under Installation?



Installation



Please note that installing SeaMonkey 2.0 will overwrite your existing
installation of SeaMonkey. You won't lose any of your bookmarks,
browsing history or mail and news messages, but some of your
extensions and other add-ons might not work until updates for them are
made available.



.
.
Thanks,
James
.
.

First of all, even if you install SM 2.0 in the default location, it
will not overwrite the existing SM 1.1.x. It installs to its own
location, and sets up a new profile in a new location. As long as you
do not uninstall SM 1.1.x, you cn easily run the two independently of
each other.


Well, all I can say is that installing 2.0 on Win XP SP3 installed to a
separate SeaMonkey folder in Program Files, leaving 1.1.14 untouched in
the mozilla.org folder.

On the other hand, on Mac OS X, I installed it as instructed to
Applications, which did overwrite 1.1.18.

At least that is what happened to me.

Lee


Do both SM 1.1.x&  SM 2.0 appear in Add/Remove programs? I'm also
running Win XP SP3 and want to give SM 2.0 a try. But, the prospect of
being able to run both SM 1.1.x&  SM 2.0 for at least a while is
desirable.

Thanks,
---psuatocobra


Good question,and I am happy to say the answer is yes, on my XP test 
box, both SM 1.1.14 and 2.0 appear and can be uninstalled.  BOth can be 
started and run.


Do note that the Mail/News data is now separate.  If you download mail 
in 1.1.x and have it deleted from the server, it will not appear in 2.0, 
and reverse.  For your testing period, you may want to have POP accounts 
set to leave copies in the server.


Lee

Lee
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Re: Subject: Re: Where To Install SM2..

James wrote:

I just updated and as far as I can see the entire old Seamonkey is gone
[overwritten] just like the Seamonkey site tells you it's going to be. I
just wondered where you got the idea that it wouldn't do what they
specifically tell you it _will_ do. Perhaps in a Beta???

Anyway, clicking on my old shortcut to Seamonkey 1.x now loads Seamonkey
2.0 and I don't see the old one anywhere. It's probably not a good idea
to keep telling people they'll still have the old version to fall back
on when the download page tells you that you won't. Maybe if you
installed it in some other location???

I'm using Vista Home Basic 64 bit.

James
.
.

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:44:07 -0400
From: Leonidas Jones
To:support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Where To Install SM2..
Message-ID:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

James wrote:

> Then why is this note on the Seamonkey page under Installation?
>
>
>

>> Installation
>>
>> Please note that installing SeaMonkey 2.0 will overwrite your
existing
>> installation of SeaMonkey. You won't lose any of your bookmarks,
>> browsing history or mail and news messages, but some of your
>> extensions and other add-ons might not work until updates for
them are
>> made available.
>>

> .
> .
> Thanks,
> James
> .
> .

>> First of all, even if you install SM 2.0 in the default location, it
>> will not overwrite the existing SM 1.1.x. It installs to its own
>> location, and sets up a new profile in a new location. As long as
you
>> do not uninstall SM 1.1.x, you cn easily run the two
independently of
>> each other.

>
>

Well, all I can say is that installing 2.0 on Win XP SP3 installed to a
separate SeaMonkey folder in Program Files, leaving 1.1.14 untouched in
the mozilla.org folder.

On the other hand, on Mac OS X, I installed it as instructed to
Applications, which did overwrite 1.1.18.

At least that is what happened to me.

Lee

Okay, my testing has been done on XP Pro sp3, as I have been stating 
right along.  I don't know how it will behave on Vista.

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Re: Where To Install SM2..


JD wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

JD wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

JD wrote:

I'm currently running SM 1.1.18 but install all my programs on my D
drive. Yes, I'm one of those people. 1.1.18 is installed at:
D:\mozilla.org\SeaMonkey

When I go to install SM 2, it wants to install in:
C:\Program Files\SeaMonkey\

Can I install 2 in: D:\SeaMonkey2 and leave my older version alone? It
works so good for me and I'm seeing the thread Cannot Launch
SeaMonkey 2
by David E Ross and nr's reply having the same problem and just like
David I don't use IE for anything but MS updates.

Houston, do we have a problem?



Well, most people are installing with no problem, but it is brand new
software,so there are bound to be some glitches.

First of all, even if you install SM 2.0 in the default location, it
will not overwrite the existing SM 1.1.x. It installs to its own
location, and sets up a new profile in a new location. As long as you
do not uninstall SM 1.1.x, you cn easily run the two independently of
each other.

Therefore, you can select a custom install, and place the program
wherever you like. If something goes wrong, you can always run SM
1.1.x, and fix the 2.0 install at your convenience. Most likely,
nothing will go wrong.

Lee


Did not work for me. I installed in into D:\SeaMonkey2 and when I launch
the .exe file in that folder I get my old SeaMonkey. SeaMonkey 1.1.18

The location and name of the file that gives me that version is:
D:\SeaMonkey2\seamonkey.exe

Right click Properties says: Version 1.9.1.4, Product Version: 2.0
Modified: 17 October 2009 12:08:30

Houston we have a problem.

Windows XP home edition, SP3, latest updates, IE6.



I think we probably need to have someon who knows Windows better then
I to jump in.

Lee


So far you're the only one to reply to this thread. I appreciate your
help but as far as I'm concerned SM 2 is not good. Version 1 always
worked for me without a problem but version 2 is not working. I'm not
going to let 2 over-write my older version. Maybe it's time to move FF
and TB? I just want something that works.




The darn thing has only been out a few hours.  I would suggest that you 
are way too quick on the trigger to give up so soon, though I understand 
that you are frustrated, and I do sympathize.


Contrary to what the mozilla help pages say, SM 2.0 is not going to 
overwrite 1.1.x on Windows XP. I am pretty comfortable in saying that, 
since I've done it myself, and can open both with ease.


Most people are getting it to work without a problem, as I have.  I am a 
Mac guy primarily, so why don't you wait for those more expert in 
Windows to take a look.  Tomorrow is another day, and I bet we can get 
it to work.


Lee
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

2009-10-27 Thread Lou


Hartmut Figge wrote:

Lou:


I wonder if there is a way of sharing my .deb package with people that
might want to try it.


You could upload it to your webspace.


Configure arguments
--enable-application=suite --enable-startup-notification
--enable-calendar --enable-application=../suite
--disable-official-branding --with-branding=../suite/branding/nightly
--disable-debug --enable-optimize --enable-64bit


That could help others who which to compile by themselves.

P.S.
Hach, i love this bug in the composer of SM2.1 *g*

Hartmut


Uploaded it here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=9db35479c75a777d08f8df73f2072ed6e04e75f6e8ebb871
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Re: Where To Install SM2..

2009-10-27 Thread John Boyle

Leonidas Jones wrote:
> JD wrote:
>> I'm currently running SM 1.1.18 but install all my programs on my D
>> drive. Yes, I'm one of those people. 1.1.18 is installed at:
>> D:\mozilla.org\SeaMonkey
>>
>> When I go to install SM 2, it wants to install in:
>> C:\Program Files\SeaMonkey\
>>
>> Can I install 2 in: D:\SeaMonkey2 and leave my older version alone? It
>> works so good for me and I'm seeing the thread Cannot Launch SeaMonkey 2
>> by David E Ross and nr's reply having the same problem and just like
>> David I don't use IE for anything but MS updates.
>>
>> Houston, do we have a problem?
>>
>
> Well, most people are installing with no problem, but it is brand new
> software,so there are bound to be some glitches.
>
> First of all, even if you install SM 2.0 in the default location, it
> will not overwrite the existing SM 1.1.x. It installs to its own
> location, and sets up a new profile in a new location.  As long as you
> do not uninstall SM 1.1.x, you cn easily run the two independently of
> each other.
>
> Therefore, you can select a custom install, and place the program
> wherever you like.  If something goes wrong, you can always run SM
> 1.1.x, and fix the 2.0 install at your convenience.  Most likely,
> nothing will go wrong.
>
> Lee
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the World of Computers, things OFTEN GO WRONG, GO WRONG, GO WRONG :-(

-- 
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IN GOD WE TRUST!

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SeaMonkey 2.0 - A Mac User's Observations


First and in general - I like it.  But...

...have observed the following in about a hour of using SM 2.0 under OS 
10.6.1 on a 3.06 GHz MacBook Pro with 4 Gig RAM:


1) SeaMonkey asks for the Master Password at startup even though I have 
the Preference set to only ask at the first time it is needed - I'm not 
using SSL, nor do I have SeaMonkey set to display Mail and Newsgroups at 
launch.


2) Holding down the Option key at launch does not bring up the Profile 
Manager.


3) Transfer of my previous SM 1.1.18 Profile information was incomplete 
at launch of SM 2.0 - Bookmarks and Preference settings transferred 
completely; Mail and Newsgroup server settings, Preferences, Folders, 
saved mail, etc. transferred completely, but Newsgroup Subscriptions 
were only displayed for one Server/Account - the last one in the 
Accounts list.  All files appeared in the proper locations in the new 
2.0 Profile, but were only displayed for the last listed Server/Account.


4) Right click (cntrl+click) does not consistently bring up the 
contextual menu for Task Bar options if I right click anywhere within 
the Task Bar - I seem to have to right click below the address bar 
within the Task Bar in order to bring up the contextual menu 
consistently.  This occurs when using the (new) default theme, and is 
less annoying in the Mail and Newsgroup windows - probably because there 
is more area to click within (no address line).  Clicks appear to be 
ignored within the line where the window title appears, upon comparison.


--
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Re: Cannot Launch SeaMonkey 2

Try right clicking on the executable and choose "run as administrator" 
[if you have that option].


Luck,
James
.
.

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:12:28 -0500
From: Patrick Crumhorn
To:support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
Subject: Re: Cannot Launch SeaMonkey 2
Message-ID:<7k-dnzimlkacnxrxnz2dnuvz_vedn...@mozilla.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed


This is exactly my problem as well. I installed SM 2.0 tonight on my WinXP 
Professional SP2 system
that already has 1.1.18 working fine.  After install I was prompted to launch 
SeaMonkey but nothing
happens.  It will not launch - at all - from the desktop icon or directly from 
the .exe file.  No
sign of it in Task Manager processes either.  Fortunately my 1.1.18 is 
untouched, so I'll probably
use that for the foreseeable future.  I'd hate to have to switch to FF and TB 
since I've used the
suite since Navigator 4 but this just isn't working for me.

Oh, the only parent.lock file I found anywhere was in my old SeaMonkey profile, 
none in the SM 2
directories at all.  I deleted it as suggested, but no effect.


   


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - 64 bit versions - was release

I'm late to the discussion so may have missed important facts but I 
installed Seamonkey 2.0 on a Vista Home Basic 64 bit system tonight.  It 
seems to run great, and all of my email, bookmarks and so on seem to be 
present from the little I've seen so far.

But don't count on having the old installation to fall back on because 
it overwrites it just like the installation instructions tells you it 
will.  It might not too hard to install in at another location and keep 
the old one, however; but I don't know.  I'm not anything like a geek; I 
typically only know enough to get myself into trouble...

James
.
.
From: Bret Busby  To: 
support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - 64 
bit versions - was release announcement Message-ID: 

Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Tue, 27 
Oct 2009, NoOp wrote:

>  Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:37:53 -0700
>  From: NoOp
>  To:support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
>  Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey
>  Subject: Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
>  
>  On 10/27/2009 03:27 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:

>>  The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely
>>  refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today:
>>  SeaMonkey 2.0, now available for free download from the
>>  seamonkey-project.org website, melds the ideas behind Netscape
>>  Communicator with the modern platform of Firefox 3.5 to create one of
>>  the most compelling open source products for advanced Internet users.

>
>  Well done! Any idea when a 64bit linux version will be available?
>

And, 64 bit versions for MS Windows?

My missus, who has just upgraded from Vista to Win 7 (32-bit to 64 bit,
also) on her 64 bit laptop, cannot find a 64 bit version of Firefly or
Firefox or whatever.

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Re: Where To Install SM2..


Hartmut Figge wrote:

Leonidas Jones:

JD wrote:



Did not work for me. I installed in into D:\SeaMonkey2 and when I launch
the .exe file in that folder


How?


I get my old SeaMonkey. SeaMonkey 1.1.18

The location and name of the file that gives me that version is:
D:\SeaMonkey2\seamonkey.exe

Right click Properties says: Version 1.9.1.4, Product Version: 2.0
Modified: 17 October 2009 12:08:30


I think we probably need to have someon who knows Windows better then I
to jump in.


And i don't know much either. My last Win was Win98SE which i only used
for games. But i would start SM calling D:\SeaMonkey2\seamonkey.exe
directly from, uh, there is no xterm in Win, but surely there is a
possibility to execute such a command. :)

Hartmut


Start>>Run would be the equivalent, I think.

Lee
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Re: Where To Install SM2..

Leonidas Jones:
>JD wrote:

>> Did not work for me. I installed in into D:\SeaMonkey2 and when I launch
>> the .exe file in that folder

How?

>>I get my old SeaMonkey. SeaMonkey 1.1.18
>>
>> The location and name of the file that gives me that version is:
>> D:\SeaMonkey2\seamonkey.exe
>>
>> Right click Properties says: Version 1.9.1.4, Product Version: 2.0
>> Modified: 17 October 2009 12:08:30
>
>I think we probably need to have someon who knows Windows better then I 
>to jump in.

And i don't know much either. My last Win was Win98SE which i only used
for games. But i would start SM calling D:\SeaMonkey2\seamonkey.exe
directly from, uh, there is no xterm in Win, but surely there is a
possibility to execute such a command. :)

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Subject: Re: Where To Install SM2..

I just updated and as far as I can see the entire old Seamonkey is gone 
[overwritten] just like the Seamonkey site tells you it's going to be.  
I just wondered where you got the idea that it wouldn't do what they 
specifically tell you it _will_ do.  Perhaps in a Beta???

Anyway, clicking on my old shortcut to Seamonkey 1.x now loads Seamonkey 
2.0 and I don't see the old one anywhere.  It's probably not a good idea 
to keep telling people they'll still have the old version to fall back 
on when the download page tells you that you won't.  Maybe if you 
installed it in some other location???

I'm using Vista Home Basic 64 bit.

James
.
.

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:44:07 -0400
From: Leonidas Jones
To:support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
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James wrote:

>  Then why is this note on the Seamonkey page under Installation?
>
>
>

>>  Installation
>>
>>  Please note that installing SeaMonkey 2.0 will overwrite your existing
>>  installation of SeaMonkey. You won't lose any of your bookmarks,
>>  browsing history or mail and news messages, but some of your
>>  extensions and other add-ons might not work until updates for them are
>>  made available.
>>

>  .
>  .
>  Thanks,
>  James
>  .
>  .

>>  First of all, even if you install SM 2.0 in the default location, it
>>  will not overwrite the existing SM 1.1.x. It installs to its own
>>  location, and sets up a new profile in a new location. As long as you
>>  do not uninstall SM 1.1.x, you cn easily run the two independently of
>>  each other.

>
>

Well, all I can say is that installing 2.0 on Win XP SP3 installed to a
separate SeaMonkey folder in Program Files, leaving 1.1.14 untouched in
the mozilla.org folder.

On the other hand, on Mac OS X, I installed it as instructed to
Applications, which did overwrite 1.1.18.

At least that is what happened to me.

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Re: Subject: Re: Where To Install SM2..

2009-10-27 Thread psuatocobra

On Oct 27, 9:44 pm, Leonidas Jones  wrote:
> James wrote:
> > Then why is this note on the Seamonkey page under Installation?
>
> >> Installation
>
> >> Please note that installing SeaMonkey 2.0 will overwrite your existing
> >> installation of SeaMonkey. You won't lose any of your bookmarks,
> >> browsing history or mail and news messages, but some of your
> >> extensions and other add-ons might not work until updates for them are
> >> made available.
>
> > .
> > .
> > Thanks,
> > James
> > .
> > .
> >> First of all, even if you install SM 2.0 in the default location, it
> >> will not overwrite the existing SM 1.1.x. It installs to its own
> >> location, and sets up a new profile in a new location. As long as you
> >> do not uninstall SM 1.1.x, you cn easily run the two independently of
> >> each other.
>
> Well, all I can say is that installing 2.0 on Win XP SP3 installed to a
> separate SeaMonkey folder in Program Files, leaving 1.1.14 untouched in
> the mozilla.org folder.
>
> On the other hand, on Mac OS X, I installed it as instructed to
> Applications, which did overwrite 1.1.18.
>
> At least that is what happened to me.
>
> Lee

Do both SM 1.1.x & SM 2.0 appear in Add/Remove programs? I'm also
running Win XP SP3 and want to give SM 2.0 a try. But, the prospect of
being able to run both SM 1.1.x & SM 2.0 for at least a while is
desirable.

Thanks,
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Re: Where To Install SM2..


Leonidas Jones wrote:

JD wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

JD wrote:

I'm currently running SM 1.1.18 but install all my programs on my D
drive. Yes, I'm one of those people. 1.1.18 is installed at:
D:\mozilla.org\SeaMonkey

When I go to install SM 2, it wants to install in:
C:\Program Files\SeaMonkey\

Can I install 2 in: D:\SeaMonkey2 and leave my older version alone? It
works so good for me and I'm seeing the thread Cannot Launch 
SeaMonkey 2

by David E Ross and nr's reply having the same problem and just like
David I don't use IE for anything but MS updates.

Houston, do we have a problem?



Well, most people are installing with no problem, but it is brand new
software,so there are bound to be some glitches.

First of all, even if you install SM 2.0 in the default location, it
will not overwrite the existing SM 1.1.x. It installs to its own
location, and sets up a new profile in a new location. As long as you
do not uninstall SM 1.1.x, you cn easily run the two independently of
each other.

Therefore, you can select a custom install, and place the program
wherever you like. If something goes wrong, you can always run SM
1.1.x, and fix the 2.0 install at your convenience. Most likely,
nothing will go wrong.

Lee


Did not work for me. I installed in into D:\SeaMonkey2 and when I launch
the .exe file in that folder I get my old SeaMonkey. SeaMonkey 1.1.18

The location and name of the file that gives me that version is:
D:\SeaMonkey2\seamonkey.exe

Right click Properties says: Version 1.9.1.4, Product Version: 2.0
Modified: 17 October 2009 12:08:30

Houston we have a problem.

Windows XP home edition, SP3, latest updates, IE6.



I think we probably need to have someon who knows Windows better then I 
to jump in.


Lee


So far you're the only one to reply to this thread. I appreciate your 
help but as far as I'm concerned SM 2 is not good. Version 1 always 
worked for me without a problem but version 2 is not working. I'm not 
going to let 2 over-write my older version. Maybe it's time to move FF 
and TB? I just want something that works.



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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

Lou:

>I wonder if there is a way of sharing my .deb package with people that 
>might want to try it.

You could upload it to your webspace.

>Configure arguments
>--enable-application=suite --enable-startup-notification 
>--enable-calendar --enable-application=../suite 
>--disable-official-branding --with-branding=../suite/branding/nightly
>--disable-debug --enable-optimize --enable-64bit 

That could help others who which to compile by themselves.

P.S.
Hach, i love this bug in the composer of SM2.1 *g*

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Re: Cannot Launch SeaMonkey 2


Patrick Crumhorn wrote:


Er, I meant it shows up empty in "Password Manager"

Patrick Crumhorn wrote:


My very large password file, while *appearing* to migrate (there is an
identical .s file and key3.db file in both the 1.1.8 profile and in
the new SM 2.0 profile), shows up empty in "Profile Manager." This
alone will keep me using 1.1.18 for a good long while, as it would
literally take days of spare time to laboriously copy over each URL
and password manually. Why does this not work? It seems like it should.



Patrick Crumhorn wrote:


This is exactly my problem as well. I installed SM 2.0 tonight on my
WinXP Professional SP2 system that already has 1.1.18 working fine.
After install I was prompted to launch SeaMonkey but nothing happens. It
will not launch - at all - from the desktop icon or directly from the
.exe file. No sign of it in Task Manager processes either. Fortunately
my 1.1.18 is untouched, so I'll probably use that for the foreseeable
future. I'd hate to have to switch to FF and TB since I've used the
suite since Navigator 4 but this just isn't working for me.

Oh, the only parent.lock file I found anywhere was in my old SeaMonkey
profile, none in the SM 2 directories at all. I deleted it as suggested,
but no effect.



nr wrote:

On Oct 27, 7:39 pm, "David E. Ross"  wrote:

In the meantime, I've reverted back to SM 1.1.18.

I won't use IE except for downloading and installing Windows XP
updates
because I've declined to install various security updates for it.
Thus,
I don't consider it a full-function, working browser in my
configuration.

--
David E. Ross


Go to Mozdev at  for quick access to
extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other
Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much
more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons.


I had 1.1.18 installed and running fine. I downloaded 2.0 (just a
little while ago), installed it (no problems), then, like David it
asked if I wanted to run. I said yes and nothing happened. I also
double-clicked the SM icon in the SM folder: nothing.

I have only one profile and I did not uninstall 1.1.18. I looked in
the SeaMonkey folder and the seamonkey.exe file had a date from
September. I would have expected it to have an October date.

I have reloaded 1.1.18 but am disappointed with the 2.0 problem. I'm
running XP-SP3.

Thanks for any help.




Even if the files appear the same, have you tried copying them over fomr 
the old profile to the new, and restarting SeaMonkey anyway?  It might 
work, it can't hurt.


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Re: Cannot Launch SeaMonkey 2

2009-10-27 Thread Patrick Crumhorn



Er, I meant it shows up empty in "Password Manager"

Patrick Crumhorn wrote:

My very large password file, while *appearing* to migrate (there is an 
identical .s file and key3.db file in both the 1.1.8 profile and in the 
new SM 2.0 profile), shows up empty in "Profile Manager."  This alone 
will keep me using 1.1.18 for a good long while, as it would literally 
take days of spare time to laboriously copy over each URL and password 
manually.  Why does this not work? It seems like it should.




Patrick Crumhorn wrote:


This is exactly my problem as well. I installed SM 2.0 tonight on my
WinXP Professional SP2 system that already has 1.1.18 working fine.
After install I was prompted to launch SeaMonkey but nothing happens. It
will not launch - at all - from the desktop icon or directly from the
.exe file. No sign of it in Task Manager processes either. Fortunately
my 1.1.18 is untouched, so I'll probably use that for the foreseeable
future. I'd hate to have to switch to FF and TB since I've used the
suite since Navigator 4 but this just isn't working for me.

Oh, the only parent.lock file I found anywhere was in my old SeaMonkey
profile, none in the SM 2 directories at all. I deleted it as suggested,
but no effect.



nr wrote:

On Oct 27, 7:39 pm, "David E. Ross"  wrote:

In the meantime, I've reverted back to SM 1.1.18.

I won't use IE except for downloading and installing Windows XP updates
because I've declined to install various security updates for it. Thus,
I don't consider it a full-function, working browser in my
configuration.

--
David E. Ross


Go to Mozdev at  for quick access to
extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other
Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much
more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons.


I had 1.1.18 installed and running fine. I downloaded 2.0 (just a
little while ago), installed it (no problems), then, like David it
asked if I wanted to run. I said yes and nothing happened. I also
double-clicked the SM icon in the SM folder: nothing.

I have only one profile and I did not uninstall 1.1.18. I looked in
the SeaMonkey folder and the seamonkey.exe file had a date from
September. I would have expected it to have an October date.

I have reloaded 1.1.18 but am disappointed with the 2.0 problem. I'm
running XP-SP3.

Thanks for any help.



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Global Extensions with SM2?

I have four profiles with SM 1.1.18.  I use six extensions.  I install
five of those extensions in the SM root because I want them to appear in
all four profiles.  Only FlashBlock is installed in the profiles,
because it doesn't have an option for root installation.

I was told that root installation of extensions (now called add-ons) is
not possible for SM 2, but that there is a way to do global
installation.  How?

-- 
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Go to Mozdev at  for quick access to
extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other
Mozilla-related applications.  You can access Mozdev much
more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons.
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Migrating SM 1.1.18 Profiles to SM 2

My four SM 1 profiles are located at [C:\WINDOWS\Application
Data\Mozilla].  I want to migrate them into SM 2 profiles at
[C:\WINDOWS\Application Data\SeaMonkey].  Is this possible?

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Mozilla-related applications.  You can access Mozdev much
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Re: Cannot Launch SeaMonkey 2


David E. Ross wrote:

On 10/27/2009 4:44 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 10/27/2009 4:38 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 10/27/2009 3:45 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

First, I cleared out SeaMonkey 1.1.18. I deleted its entire
installation folder and all profile folders. (I saved the profiles on a
different hard drive; I'll have to retrieve the plugins from the backup
I ran about a half-hour before.)

Then, I installed SeaMonkey 2.0 on Windows XP SP2. I did a custom
install, deselecting Chatzilla. I installed in
[C:\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe].

At the end, I got a window asking if I wanted to launch SeaMonkey. I
responded positively. I then got an error popup with the message:
"SeaMonkey is already running, but is not reponding. To open a new
window, you must first close the existing SeaMonkey process, or restart
your system." I checked the Windows Task Manager (Ctrl-Alt-Delete) --
both Applications and Processes tabs -- and cannot find SeaMonkey
running. When I did a warm reboot, I got the same error popup.

Please DO NOT respond with a link or reference to a Web page. At the
moment, I don't have a working browser.


Surely you have Internet Explorer. Well, I guess, we can argue the
meaning of "working browser". ;)

You might want to install Firefox as a backup. I always keep it handy,
just in case.

Remind me what version of Windows you are running. So far, I've got it
up on XP SP3 with no issues. However, the difference in our experiences
is that I have not tried installing it without an existing profile from
which to transfer. I'll give a whirl and see what I discover.

Lee

For what it may be worth, I just installed SM 2.0 on XP Pro SP3.
SeaMonkey had never been installed on this system.  It installed and
started up with no issues.

Again, can you clarify exactly what version of Windows you are running?

Lee

Windows XP Home Edition 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 Build 2600
(Build 2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.090804-1412)


Okay, thanks!

Have you checked in the new profile location for parent.lock, as Hartmut
suggested?  That would be the obvious culprit.

Lee


By now, I've complete removed SM 2 and reverted back to SM 1.1.18.
Perhaps tonight, I might have time to try to install SM 2 in its own
folder with a distinct folder for its profiles.  It's time for dinner,
and then I have a 7:00pm PDT meeting to attend.



Okay.  I installed SM 2 in a separate folder.  It works!

I'm having trouble migrating profiles.  I'll start a new thread for that
problem.



I'm glad it at least up and running.  The profile data hasn't really 
changed, it should be pretty easy to migrate the data manually, I'm 
sorry the wizard didn't work for you. Whenyou post your new thread, give 
a good description of the migration and where it went wrong.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

2009-10-27 Thread Lou


Bret Busby wrote:


One thing that concerns me, is the use of the .tar.bz2 (files like that
used to be .tar.gz - the .bz2 entended extension, seems a bit different)
file, rather than a package file (like .deb), for Linux.

I run Ubuntu Linux 8.04LTS, ...



--
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia


Ubuntu is NOT going to release a .deb package for 8.04, since they don't 
do major version updates within a release version.  I just compiled 
Seamonkey and created a .deb package.  Everything seems to be working 
fine so far.  I am also running Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) 64-bit.


I wonder if there is a way of sharing my .deb package with people that 
might want to try it.


Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) 
Gecko/20091027 SeaMonkey/2.0

**
Here is my about:buildconfig

Build platform
target
x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu

Build tools
CompilerVersion Compiler flags
gcc 	gcc version 4.2.4 (Ubuntu 4.2.4-1ubuntu4) 	-Wall -W -Wno-unused 
-Wpointer-arith -Wcast-align -W -Wno-long-long -pedantic 
-fno-strict-aliasing -pthread -pipe -DNDEBUG -DTRIMMED -Os 
-freorder-blocks -fno-reorder-functions -finline-limit=50
c++ 	gcc version 4.2.4 (Ubuntu 4.2.4-1ubuntu4) 	-fno-rtti 
-fno-exceptions -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Woverloaded-virtual -Wsynth 
-Wno-ctor-dtor-privacy -Wno-non-virtual-dtor -Wcast-align 
-Wno-invalid-offsetof -Wno-long-long -pedantic -fno-strict-aliasing 
-fshort-wchar -pthread -pipe -DNDEBUG -DTRIMMED -Os -freorder-blocks 
-fno-reorder-functions -finline-limit=50


Configure arguments
--enable-application=suite --enable-startup-notification 
--enable-calendar --enable-application=../suite 
--disable-official-branding --with-branding=../suite/branding/nightly 
--disable-debug --enable-optimize --enable-64bit 
--cache-file=.././config.cache --srcdir=.

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Well, ok - after changing the default install directory to Program Files\SeaMonkey2 rather than
Program Files\SeaMonkey, I got SM 2.0 to launch, but with no import wizard. I used the command line
-migration process, and mail and bookmarks all came over flawlessly, BUT...

My very large password file, while *appearing* to migrate (there is an identical .s file and key3.db
file in both the 1.1.8 profile and in the new SM 2.0 profile), shows up empty in "Profile Manager."
This alone will keep me using 1.1.18 for a good long while, as it would literally take days of
spare time to laboriously copy over each URL and password manually. Why does this not work? It
seems like it should.

Patrick Crumhorn wrote:

This is exactly my problem as well. I installed SM 2.0 tonight on my
WinXP Professional SP2 system that already has 1.1.18 working fine.
After install I was prompted to launch SeaMonkey but nothing happens. It
will not launch - at all - from the desktop icon or directly from the
.exe file. No sign of it in Task Manager processes either. Fortunately
my 1.1.18 is untouched, so I'll probably use that for the foreseeable
future. I'd hate to have to switch to FF and TB since I've used the
suite since Navigator 4 but this just isn't working for me.

Oh, the only parent.lock file I found anywhere was in my old SeaMonkey
profile, none in the SM 2 directories at all. I deleted it as suggested,
but no effect.

nr wrote:

On Oct 27, 7:39 pm, "David E. Ross" wrote:

In the meantime, I've reverted back to SM 1.1.18.

I won't use IE except for downloading and installing Windows XP updates
because I've declined to install various security updates for it. Thus,
I don't consider it a full-function, working browser in my
configuration.

--
David E. Ross

Go to Mozdev at for quick access to
extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other
Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much
more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons.

I had 1.1.18 installed and running fine. I downloaded 2.0 (just a
little while ago), installed it (no problems), then, like David it
asked if I wanted to run. I said yes and nothing happened. I also
double-clicked the SM icon in the SM folder: nothing.

I have only one profile and I did not uninstall 1.1.18. I looked in
the SeaMonkey folder and the seamonkey.exe file had a date from
September. I would have expected it to have an October date.

I have reloaded 1.1.18 but am disappointed with the 2.0 problem. I'm
running XP-SP3.

Thanks for any help.

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Re: Where To Install SM2..


JD wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

JD wrote:

I'm currently running SM 1.1.18 but install all my programs on my D
drive. Yes, I'm one of those people. 1.1.18 is installed at:
D:\mozilla.org\SeaMonkey

When I go to install SM 2, it wants to install in:
C:\Program Files\SeaMonkey\

Can I install 2 in: D:\SeaMonkey2 and leave my older version alone? It
works so good for me and I'm seeing the thread Cannot Launch SeaMonkey 2
by David E Ross and nr's reply having the same problem and just like
David I don't use IE for anything but MS updates.

Houston, do we have a problem?



Well, most people are installing with no problem, but it is brand new
software,so there are bound to be some glitches.

First of all, even if you install SM 2.0 in the default location, it
will not overwrite the existing SM 1.1.x. It installs to its own
location, and sets up a new profile in a new location. As long as you
do not uninstall SM 1.1.x, you cn easily run the two independently of
each other.

Therefore, you can select a custom install, and place the program
wherever you like. If something goes wrong, you can always run SM
1.1.x, and fix the 2.0 install at your convenience. Most likely,
nothing will go wrong.

Lee


Did not work for me. I installed in into D:\SeaMonkey2 and when I launch
the .exe file in that folder I get my old SeaMonkey. SeaMonkey 1.1.18

The location and name of the file that gives me that version is:
D:\SeaMonkey2\seamonkey.exe

Right click Properties says: Version 1.9.1.4, Product Version: 2.0
Modified: 17 October 2009 12:08:30

Houston we have a problem.

Windows XP home edition, SP3, latest updates, IE6.



I think we probably need to have someon who knows Windows better then I 
to jump in.


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Re: Where To Install SM2..


Leonidas Jones wrote:

JD wrote:

I'm currently running SM 1.1.18 but install all my programs on my D
drive. Yes, I'm one of those people. 1.1.18 is installed at:
D:\mozilla.org\SeaMonkey

When I go to install SM 2, it wants to install in:
C:\Program Files\SeaMonkey\

Can I install 2 in: D:\SeaMonkey2 and leave my older version alone? It
works so good for me and I'm seeing the thread Cannot Launch SeaMonkey 2
by David E Ross and nr's reply having the same problem and just like
David I don't use IE for anything but MS updates.

Houston, do we have a problem?



Well, most people are installing with no problem, but it is brand new 
software,so there are bound to be some glitches.


First of all, even if you install SM 2.0 in the default location, it 
will not overwrite the existing SM 1.1.x. It installs to its own 
location, and sets up a new profile in a new location.  As long as you 
do not uninstall SM 1.1.x, you cn easily run the two independently of 
each other.


Therefore, you can select a custom install, and place the program 
wherever you like.  If something goes wrong, you can always run SM 
1.1.x, and fix the 2.0 install at your convenience.  Most likely, 
nothing will go wrong.


Lee


Did not work for me. I installed in into D:\SeaMonkey2 and when I launch 
 the .exe file in that folder I get my old SeaMonkey. SeaMonkey 1.1.18


The location and name of the file that gives me that version is:
D:\SeaMonkey2\seamonkey.exe

Right click Properties says: Version 1.9.1.4, Product Version: 2.0 
Modified: 17 October 2009 12:08:30


Houston we have a problem.

Windows XP home edition, SP3, latest updates, IE6.

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Re: Cannot Launch SeaMonkey 2

On 10/27/2009 4:44 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 10/27/2009 4:38 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote:
>> David E. Ross wrote:
>>> On 10/27/2009 3:45 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote:
 Leonidas Jones wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> First, I cleared out SeaMonkey 1.1.18. I deleted its entire
>> installation folder and all profile folders. (I saved the profiles on a
>> different hard drive; I'll have to retrieve the plugins from the backup
>> I ran about a half-hour before.)
>>
>> Then, I installed SeaMonkey 2.0 on Windows XP SP2. I did a custom
>> install, deselecting Chatzilla. I installed in
>> [C:\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe].
>>
>> At the end, I got a window asking if I wanted to launch SeaMonkey. I
>> responded positively. I then got an error popup with the message:
>> "SeaMonkey is already running, but is not reponding. To open a new
>> window, you must first close the existing SeaMonkey process, or restart
>> your system." I checked the Windows Task Manager (Ctrl-Alt-Delete) --
>> both Applications and Processes tabs -- and cannot find SeaMonkey
>> running. When I did a warm reboot, I got the same error popup.
>>
>> Please DO NOT respond with a link or reference to a Web page. At the
>> moment, I don't have a working browser.
>>
> Surely you have Internet Explorer. Well, I guess, we can argue the
> meaning of "working browser". ;)
>
> You might want to install Firefox as a backup. I always keep it handy,
> just in case.
>
> Remind me what version of Windows you are running. So far, I've got it
> up on XP SP3 with no issues. However, the difference in our experiences
> is that I have not tried installing it without an existing profile from
> which to transfer. I'll give a whirl and see what I discover.
>
> Lee
 For what it may be worth, I just installed SM 2.0 on XP Pro SP3.
 SeaMonkey had never been installed on this system.  It installed and
 started up with no issues.

 Again, can you clarify exactly what version of Windows you are running?

 Lee
>>> Windows XP Home Edition 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 Build 2600
>>> (Build 2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.090804-1412)
>>>
>> Okay, thanks!
>>
>> Have you checked in the new profile location for parent.lock, as Hartmut 
>> suggested?  That would be the obvious culprit.
>>
>> Lee
> 
> By now, I've complete removed SM 2 and reverted back to SM 1.1.18.
> Perhaps tonight, I might have time to try to install SM 2 in its own
> folder with a distinct folder for its profiles.  It's time for dinner,
> and then I have a 7:00pm PDT meeting to attend.
> 

Okay.  I installed SM 2 in a separate folder.  It works!

I'm having trouble migrating profiles.  I'll start a new thread for that
problem.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

On 10/27/2009 06:50 PM, Bret Busby wrote:

> 
> Due to the reported problems, it seems a bit too problematic to update 
> from 1.1.18 to 2.0, now. Maybe people like me, who need to be consident 
> that our systems are (relatively) stable, need to wait until 2.1 is 
> released.

By then 1.1.18 will probably be in the Fx 2.0 and Tb 2.0 catagories.

> 
> One thing that concerns me, is the use of the .tar.bz2 (files like that 
> used to be .tar.gz - the .bz2 entended extension, seems a bit different) 
> file, rather than a package file (like .deb), for Linux.

Why? In Ubuntu all you do is download, open Nautilus, double-click the
file, extract to your home folder, create a Applications link to the
~/home/seamonkey/seamonkey shell file and run. Or from a terminal:

$ ~/home/seamonkey/
$ ./seamonkey

or follow the install instructions:

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/install-and-uninstall


> 
> I run Ubuntu Linux 8.04LTS, Debian 5 Linux,

See above.

 and Windows XP with service
> packs (I believe that I have SP3, in addition to SP2, which I do know 
> was installed, but I am not definite about SP3), although the Win XP 
> should probably now be replaced with Win 7, so I think it is probably 
> best, for stability, to wait until if and when Seamonkey 2 (or, even 
> better, from the reporting of the problems, version 2.1, with all the 
> bugs of version 2, fixed) makes it into the package repositories for the 
> Linux distributions.

No idea if there is a question or statement in that.

> 
> Also, it would need to be explicitly stated, that Seamonkey v2.x would 
> definitely be able to be installed in parallel with an existing 
> installation of 1.1.x, and, be able to import settings/profiles/history 
> from v1.1.x, on each of the different operating systems, so that the two 
> could be run in parallel (parallel implementation is alsways safest, in 
> software development), to ensure that we do not lose data, as has been 
> reported as having happened with other people who have upgraded from 
> 1.1.18 to 2, or who have replaced 1.1.18 with 2.

Or that.

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Re: more on zebra stripes

2009-10-27 Thread Dennis Gleeson

I had zebra stripes working with all of these using 1.17 with Stylish. 
Since updating to 1.18 the zebra stripes don't show up in any window 
upon start-up UNLESS I go into the Stylish window and UNCHECK/ReCHECK 
each style. Then it works till I restart Seamonkey.


Can anyone help?

Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:

In the past I got zebra stripes to work in the mail/news [google for 
it], and just recently, I got that zebra in the address bar.


Now, if anyone really cares, here are the scripts to get zebra stripes 
for the History Manager, the download manager, the bookmark manager, the 
address book, and the Password Manager.  I think thats all there is.


Of course, you can use any color you want.  And all this goes into the 
userChrome.css file.  Or, better yet, get Stylish: 
http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html#stylish. Works far better 
than the file.  You don't have to close and restart SM all the time.


ss

/* for history */

@namespace 
url(http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul);


#history-window ::-moz-tree-row(odd)
{background: #bfefff !important;}

#history-window ::-moz-tree-row(even)
{background: #eed2ee !important;}

#history-window {font-weight: bold !important;}

#history-window ::-moz-tree-cell-text(even)
{color: darkblue !important;}

#history-window ::-moz-tree-cell-text(odd)
{color: red !important;}

ss

for the password manager, use the above and change #history-window for 
#signonviewer


for the bookmark manager, use the above and change #history-window for 
#bookmark-window


for the download manager, use the above and change #history-window for 
#downloadView


for the address book is a two parter.  The one with the names and 
addresses [on the right side], use the above and change #history-window 
for #abResultsTree


then for the address books and mailing lists [on the left side], use the 
above and change #history-window for #dirTreeBox

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

2009-10-27 Thread ed


Robert Kaiser wrote:

The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely
refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today:
SeaMonkey 2.0, now available for free download from the
seamonkey-project.org website, melds the ideas behind Netscape
Communicator with the modern platform of Firefox 3.5 to create one of
the most compelling open source products for advanced Internet users.



Bravo.  Good work.

Well, except for the totally ill-conceived trashing of the modal windows.

If I have multiple accounts for a single site (say, American Express, 
which I do, and many many other sites), and the reason I stored that 
account info in SeaMonkey in the first place was because I can't and 
don't want to have to recall the arcane login info, then, no, the new 
paradigm doesn't work.


If I can't remember that one login begins with "1" and the other login 
begins with "e" and the third login begins with "j" ... well, how the 
hell is this new paradigm better?  I mean, look, I plugged all this data 
into SeaMonkey so SM could remember it, not me.


WTFO?

The whole point of that function is (well, "was") so I don't have to 
remember, ok?  And now you guys broke it.  So I now have to remember all 
my logins in order to use SM's function.


Admit it.  You broke a perfectly good and useful function.

We can argue later about WHY you broke it.  But, admit it.  The function 
is broken.  The functionality is broken.  The usability is broken.


"Stupid modal window"?  Users don't care about that argument.  I care 
that I have a useful function on a Web site where I have 3 or 4 or 5 
different logins.  AND THE REASON I US SM AND IT'S LOGIN FUNCTION WAS 
... I DON'T WANNA HAVE TO REMEMBER THIS SHIT!!!


Got it now?

So, okay, modal windows have been deemed inelegant by the programmers. 
Fine.  No problem.


Tell you what.  Solve my problem and yours at the same time and I'll 
praise you.


Screw me with nonsensical programming arguments?  Sorry.  You can't 
support it.  There's no argument you can muster that says your argument 
outweighs normal usage like mine.


Tell me, please.  If a user of SM has 3 or 4 (or more) logins to a 
single site, and the whole purpose of using SM's password manager is to 
not have to remember any of those logins, so that when a user goes to a 
login URL he'll be tossed up a modal (sorry, "stupid" modal) window 
wherein he can go "Oh!  Right!  My wife's account!  No!  My account!  Oh 
no!!!  My daughter's account! Ooops! My son's account ..."


Hey.  If I wanted to keep all that shit in my brain I'd just use IE.  Or 
something else.  What the hell where you people thinking?


So, ok, please, tell me. Tell me, in my usage, how am I to employ the 
new SM paradigm?  How is this better for me?


And, please, tell me, how does this new and better paradigm work when I 
log into a site where I have 2, 3, 4 or 5 login identities and I can't 
remember how any of them start?



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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

On 10/27/2009 06:57 PM, Philip Chee wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:37:53 -0700, NoOp wrote:
>> On 10/27/2009 03:27 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
>>> The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely 
>>> refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today: 
>>> SeaMonkey 2.0, now available for free download from the 
>>> seamonkey-project.org website, melds the ideas behind Netscape 
>>> Communicator with the modern platform of Firefox 3.5 to create one of 
>>> the most compelling open source products for advanced Internet users.
>> 
>> Well done! Any idea when a 64bit linux version will be available?
> 
> As soon as Hendikins gets off shift and gets back home to where his
> 64bit build machine lives.
> 
> Phil
> 

Thanks Phil.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

On 10/27/2009 06:48 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:
> NoOp:
> 
>>Well done! Any idea when a 64bit linux version will be available?
> 
> Well, there is seamonkey-2.0.source.tar.bz2 :)
> 
> Hart d&r mut

You always make it so hard for me (joke) :-)
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-1.9.1/
[seamonkey-2.0.1pre.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2]
My 64bit tester is still using that w/o issues so far. I wish I could
build a 64bit test version on a 32bit VM machine, but haven't figured
out how to do that just yet :-)

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SM 2.0 Form Management

2009-10-27 Thread Dennis Gleeson


> A new form manager replaces all previous web form management, and
> automatically keeps a record of what you type into forms and presents
> you these options in a drop-down list when you come back.

I haven't downloaded the new version yet but have a question based on 
some previous reading on here.


Is there any way in 2.0 to fill a complete form with 1 or 2 clicks(like 
with the current form manager) or are you forced to make a choice from 
drop downd in EACH form field?

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Re: Where To Install SM2..


Leonidas Jones wrote:

JD wrote:

I'm currently running SM 1.1.18 but install all my programs on my D
drive. Yes, I'm one of those people. 1.1.18 is installed at:
D:\mozilla.org\SeaMonkey

When I go to install SM 2, it wants to install in:
C:\Program Files\SeaMonkey\

Can I install 2 in: D:\SeaMonkey2 and leave my older version alone? It
works so good for me and I'm seeing the thread Cannot Launch SeaMonkey 2
by David E Ross and nr's reply having the same problem and just like
David I don't use IE for anything but MS updates.

Houston, do we have a problem?



Well, most people are installing with no problem, but it is brand new 
software,so there are bound to be some glitches.


First of all, even if you install SM 2.0 in the default location, it 
will not overwrite the existing SM 1.1.x. It installs to its own 
location, and sets up a new profile in a new location.  As long as you 
do not uninstall SM 1.1.x, you cn easily run the two independently of 
each other.


Therefore, you can select a custom install, and place the program 
wherever you like.  If something goes wrong, you can always run SM 
1.1.x, and fix the 2.0 install at your convenience.  Most likely, 
nothing will go wrong.


Lee


Thanks Lee.

I'll try it as soon as I have a little spare time and post back as to 
how it went. From the screenshots SM 2 looks to be nothing more than an 
improvement on what I already use.


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Re: Does Form Manager in 2.0 Work?


Tom Pamin wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Tom Pamin wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Sandy Pamin wrote:

Can anyone get the new version of Form Manager to work? I can't see
how
to use it, and so far it doesn't do anything. Very disappointing. I
may
have to stay with 1.18 now.


Form data is filled in with no problem at all from here.

Have you checked in Edit>>Preferences>>Browser>>History, to make sure
that form completion is enabled?

Lee


Can you give me a link to a form for an example, so I can try it? I do
have it enabled in Preferences.


I can't see that this would do any good, since it is my form information.

Amazon and eBay are both working from here, as two examples.

Lee


Must be my old age showing - I can't get it to do anything. Can you give
me a step by step with an example of how this works?


Not really.  As an example, I go to the Amazon "Where's my Stuff" page, 
to check on the status of an order:


http://www.amazon.com/wheres-my-stuff

My email address and password, which I have entered on a previous visit, 
are already entered. I just click on the sign in button, and it works.


I've been running SM 2.0 full time since Alpha 3, so I can't really 
speak to how form information migrates from 1.1.x.


Lee
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Re: 2.0 and favicons

2009-10-27 Thread trixeo


Al wrote:

Am I correct that SM 2.0 still cannot display favicons on the personal
toolbar?

No.
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Re: Cannot Launch SeaMonkey 2

2009-10-27 Thread Patrick Crumhorn

This is exactly my problem as well. I installed SM 2.0 tonight on my WinXP Professional SP2 system
that already has 1.1.18 working fine. After install I was prompted to launch SeaMonkey but nothing
happens. It will not launch - at all - from the desktop icon or directly from the .exe file. No
sign of it in Task Manager processes either. Fortunately my 1.1.18 is untouched, so I'll probably
use that for the foreseeable future. I'd hate to have to switch to FF and TB since I've used the
suite since Navigator 4 but this just isn't working for me.

Oh, the only parent.lock file I found anywhere was in my old SeaMonkey profile, none in the SM 2
directories at all. I deleted it as suggested, but no effect.

nr wrote:

On Oct 27, 7:39 pm, "David E. Ross" wrote:

In the meantime, I've reverted back to SM 1.1.18.

--
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Go to Mozdev at for quick access to
extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other
Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much
more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons.

I have only one profile and I did not uninstall 1.1.18. I looked in
the SeaMonkey folder and the seamonkey.exe file had a date from
September. I would have expected it to have an October date.

I have reloaded 1.1.18 but am disappointed with the 2.0 problem. I'm
running XP-SP3.

Thanks for any help.

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Re: IE Tab for 2.0?

2009-10-27 Thread Philip Chee

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:10:01 +0100, Jens Hatlak wrote:
> On 10/27/2009 3:51 PM Tom Pamin wrote:
>> Is there a way to get the old IE Tab plugin (npietab.dll) to work in 
>> 2.0)? If not, what do we use?
> 
> AFAIK there is no fully SM 2 compatible version of IE Tab yet. All 
> version I tested (1.3.3, 1.5, 1.5 dev; all installed with the extensions 
> compatibility check disabled) basically worked in that they used IE's 
> rendering engine to e.g. display http://www.windowsupdate.com/  (which 
> is on the extension's default white list) and seemed to respect the 
> white list settings. All those versions also had in common that they 
> didn't show IE Tab anywhere outside the Add-on Manager (and xSidebar's 
> configuration drop-down), i.e. neither in the Tools menu nor the status 
> bar. I guess the menu/status bar overlays need some adjustments for SM 2.
> 
> Maybe you could try and ask the extension's author to make it compatible 
> with SM 2? Alternatively you may add your request to this thread: 
> 

IETab developmental work has stopped. You should look at the actively
developed fork "Coral IETab" instead.

Phil

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Re: Freezing in SM2

2009-10-27 Thread Philip Chee

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:21:15 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote:

>> No need to disable it, just don't use it.
>> 
>> Lee

> People here are complaining that the RSS is the reason from Freezing 
> problems while it updates.

Look at this logically. If you don't subscribe to any RSS feeds there
won't be any for SeaMonkey to freeze on.

Phil

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Re: Does Form Manager in 2.0 Work?

2009-10-27 Thread Tom Pamin


Leonidas Jones wrote:

Tom Pamin wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Sandy Pamin wrote:

Can anyone get the new version of Form Manager to work? I can't see how
to use it, and so far it doesn't do anything. Very disappointing. I may
have to stay with 1.18 now.


Form data is filled in with no problem at all from here.

Have you checked in Edit>>Preferences>>Browser>>History, to make sure
that form completion is enabled?

Lee


Can you give me a link to a form for an example, so I can try it? I do
have it enabled in Preferences.


I can't see that this would do any good, since it is my form information.

Amazon and eBay are both working from here, as two examples.

Lee


Must be my old age showing - I can't get it to do anything. Can you give 
me a step by step with an example of how this works?

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

2009-10-27 Thread Bret Busby

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009, Bret Busby wrote:

Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:50:39 +0800 (WST)
From: Bret Busby 
To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
Subject: Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, Robert Kaiser wrote:

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:27:47 +0100
From: Robert Kaiser 
To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey,
mozilla.support.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.planning,
mozilla.support.mozilla-suite, netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey,
mozilla.dev.l10n
Subject: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely 
refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today: 
SeaMonkey 2.0, now available for free download from the 
seamonkey-project.org website, melds the ideas behind Netscape Communicator 
with the modern platform of Firefox 3.5 to create one of the most 
compelling open source products for advanced Internet users.

Due to the reported problems, it seems a bit too problematic to update from 
1.1.18 to 2.0, now. Maybe people like me, who need to be consident that our 
systems are (relatively) stable, need to wait until 2.1 is released.

Ah, the word "consident", should have been "confident". Too much haste. 
And I have not yet been able to get spell checking in PINE, to work.

One thing that concerns me, is the use of the .tar.bz2 (files like that used 
to be .tar.gz - the .bz2 entended extension, seems a bit different) file, 
rather than a package file (like .deb), for Linux.

I run Ubuntu Linux 8.04LTS, Debian 5 Linux, and Windows XP with service packs 
(I believe that I have SP3, in addition to SP2, which I do know was 
installed, but I am not definite about SP3), although the Win XP should 
probably now be replaced with Win 7, so I think it is probably best, for 
stability, to wait until if and when Seamonkey 2 (or, even better, from the 
reporting of the problems, version 2.1, with all the bugs of version 2, 
fixed) makes it into the package repositories for the Linux distributions.

Also, it would need to be explicitly stated, that Seamonkey v2.x would 
definitely be able to be installed in parallel with an existing installation 
of 1.1.x, and, be able to import settings/profiles/history from v1.1.x, on 
each of the different operating systems, so that the two could be run in 
parallel (parallel implementation is alsways safest, in software 
development), to ensure that we do not lose data, as has been reported as 
having happened with other people who have upgraded from 1.1.18 to 2, or who 
have replaced 1.1.18 with 2.

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West Australia
..

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you'll know what the answer means."
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 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
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 A Trilogy In Four Parts",
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 you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - 64 bit versions - was release announcement

2009-10-27 Thread Bret Busby

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, NoOp wrote:

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:37:53 -0700
From: NoOp 
To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey
Subject: Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

On 10/27/2009 03:27 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:

The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely
refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today:
SeaMonkey 2.0, now available for free download from the
seamonkey-project.org website, melds the ideas behind Netscape
Communicator with the modern platform of Firefox 3.5 to create one of
the most compelling open source products for advanced Internet users.

Well done! Any idea when a 64bit linux version will be available?

And, 64 bit versions for MS Windows?

My missus, who has just upgraded from Vista to Win 7 (32-bit to 64 bit, 
also) on her 64 bit laptop, cannot find a 64 bit version of Firefly or 
Firefox or whatever.

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 you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
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  A Trilogy In Four Parts",
  written by Douglas Adams,
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

2009-10-27 Thread Philip Chee

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:37:53 -0700, NoOp wrote:
> On 10/27/2009 03:27 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
>> The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely 
>> refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today: 
>> SeaMonkey 2.0, now available for free download from the 
>> seamonkey-project.org website, melds the ideas behind Netscape 
>> Communicator with the modern platform of Firefox 3.5 to create one of 
>> the most compelling open source products for advanced Internet users.
> 
> Well done! Any idea when a 64bit linux version will be available?

As soon as Hendikins gets off shift and gets back home to where his
64bit build machine lives.

Phil

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Re: Cannot Launch SeaMonkey 2

2009-10-27 Thread Nobody


Leonidas Jones wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

First, I cleared out SeaMonkey 1.1.18. I deleted its entire
installation folder and all profile folders. (I saved the profiles on a
different hard drive; I'll have to retrieve the plugins from the backup
I ran about a half-hour before.)

Then, I installed SeaMonkey 2.0 on Windows XP SP2. I did a custom
install, deselecting Chatzilla. I installed in
[C:\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe].

At the end, I got a window asking if I wanted to launch SeaMonkey. I
responded positively. I then got an error popup with the message:
"SeaMonkey is already running, but is not reponding. To open a new
window, you must first close the existing SeaMonkey process, or restart
your system." I checked the Windows Task Manager (Ctrl-Alt-Delete) --
both Applications and Processes tabs -- and cannot find SeaMonkey
running. When I did a warm reboot, I got the same error popup.

Please DO NOT respond with a link or reference to a Web page. At the
moment, I don't have a working browser.



Surely you have Internet Explorer. Well, I guess, we can argue the
meaning of "working browser". ;)

You might want to install Firefox as a backup. I always keep it handy,
just in case.

Remind me what version of Windows you are running. So far, I've got it
up on XP SP3 with no issues. However, the difference in our experiences
is that I have not tried installing it without an existing profile from
which to transfer. I'll give a whirl and see what I discover.

Lee


FWIW, I had a similar experience to David Ross: with Win XP Home Edition 
SP3 using SeaMonkey 1.1.18, I did what I've always done with upgrades, I 
uninstalled SM but did NOT touch my profile.


On installing SM 2.0, it didn't pick up my profile, nor did the 
installation prompt me to go look for anything.


It opened normally as the final step to installation but set up its own 
"default" profile.  When I closed it, and tried to re-open, I 
experienced the same "already running" error as reported by David R.


So I uninstalled SM 2.0 -- then re-installed 1.1.18 -- made sure it was 
running normally with mail/bookmarks/dictionary blah blah -- then 
contrary to my usual practice, I installed 2.0 "in overlay".


The installation process included the prompt/s for importing profile 
details... and it's running like a dream.


Thanks.  Mebbe some of us are being too cautious!




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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

2009-10-27 Thread Bret Busby

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, Robert Kaiser wrote:

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:27:47 +0100
From: Robert Kaiser 
To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey,
mozilla.support.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.planning,
mozilla.support.mozilla-suite, netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey,
mozilla.dev.l10n
Subject: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely 
refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today: SeaMonkey 
2.0, now available for free download from the seamonkey-project.org website, 
melds the ideas behind Netscape Communicator with the modern platform of 
Firefox 3.5 to create one of the most compelling open source products for 
advanced Internet users.

Due to the reported problems, it seems a bit too problematic to update 
from 1.1.18 to 2.0, now. Maybe people like me, who need to be consident 
that our systems are (relatively) stable, need to wait until 2.1 is 
released.

One thing that concerns me, is the use of the .tar.bz2 (files like that 
used to be .tar.gz - the .bz2 entended extension, seems a bit different) 
file, rather than a package file (like .deb), for Linux.

I run Ubuntu Linux 8.04LTS, Debian 5 Linux, and Windows XP with service 
packs (I believe that I have SP3, in addition to SP2, which I do know 
was installed, but I am not definite about SP3), although the Win XP 
should probably now be replaced with Win 7, so I think it is probably 
best, for stability, to wait until if and when Seamonkey 2 (or, even 
better, from the reporting of the problems, version 2.1, with all the 
bugs of version 2, fixed) makes it into the package repositories for the 
Linux distributions.

Also, it would need to be explicitly stated, that Seamonkey v2.x would 
definitely be able to be installed in parallel with an existing 
installation of 1.1.x, and, be able to import settings/profiles/history 
from v1.1.x, on each of the different operating systems, so that the two 
could be run in parallel (parallel implementation is alsways safest, in 
software development), to ensure that we do not lose data, as has been 
reported as having happened with other people who have upgraded from 
1.1.18 to 2, or who have replaced 1.1.18 with 2.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

NoOp:

>Well done! Any idea when a 64bit linux version will be available?

Well, there is seamonkey-2.0.source.tar.bz2 :)

Hart d&r mut
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Re: Does Form Manager in 2.0 Work?


Tom Pamin wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Sandy Pamin wrote:

Can anyone get the new version of Form Manager to work? I can't see how
to use it, and so far it doesn't do anything. Very disappointing. I may
have to stay with 1.18 now.


Form data is filled in with no problem at all from here.

Have you checked in Edit>>Preferences>>Browser>>History, to make sure
that form completion is enabled?

Lee


Can you give me a link to a form for an example, so I can try it? I do
have it enabled in Preferences.


I can't see that this would do any good, since it is my form information.

Amazon and eBay are both working from here, as two examples.

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Re: Subject: Re: Where To Install SM2..


James wrote:

Then why is this note on the Seamonkey page under Installation?




Installation

Please note that installing SeaMonkey 2.0 will overwrite your existing
installation of SeaMonkey. You won't lose any of your bookmarks,
browsing history or mail and news messages, but some of your
extensions and other add-ons might not work until updates for them are
made available.


.
.
Thanks,
James
.
.

First of all, even if you install SM 2.0 in the default location, it
will not overwrite the existing SM 1.1.x. It installs to its own
location, and sets up a new profile in a new location. As long as you
do not uninstall SM 1.1.x, you cn easily run the two independently of
each other.





Well, all I can say is that installing 2.0 on Win XP SP3 installed to a 
separate SeaMonkey folder in Program Files, leaving 1.1.14 untouched in 
the mozilla.org folder.


On the other hand, on Mac OS X, I installed it as instructed to 
Applications, which did overwrite 1.1.18.


At least that is what happened to me.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

On 10/27/2009 03:27 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
> The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely 
> refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today: 
> SeaMonkey 2.0, now available for free download from the 
> seamonkey-project.org website, melds the ideas behind Netscape 
> Communicator with the modern platform of Firefox 3.5 to create one of 
> the most compelling open source products for advanced Internet users.

Well done! Any idea when a 64bit linux version will be available?
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Re: Does Form Manager in 2.0 Work?

2009-10-27 Thread Tom Pamin


Leonidas Jones wrote:

Sandy Pamin wrote:

Can anyone get the new version of Form Manager to work? I can't see how
to use it, and so far it doesn't do anything. Very disappointing. I may
have to stay with 1.18 now.


Form data is filled in with no problem at all from here.

Have you checked in Edit>>Preferences>>Browser>>History, to make sure 
that form completion is enabled?


Lee


Can you give me a link to a form for an example, so I can try it? I do 
have it enabled in Preferences.

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Subject: Re: Where To Install SM2..


Then why is this note on the Seamonkey page under Installation?




Installation

Please note that installing SeaMonkey 2.0 will overwrite your existing 
installation of SeaMonkey. You won't lose any of your bookmarks, 
browsing history or mail and news messages, but some of your 
extensions and other add-ons might not work until updates for them are 
made available.



.
.
Thanks,
James
.
.
First of all, even if you install SM 2.0 in the default location, it 
will not overwrite the existing SM 1.1.x. It installs to its own 
location, and sets up a new profile in a new location.  As long as you 
do not uninstall SM 1.1.x, you cn easily run the two independently of 
each other.



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Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?

2009-10-27 Thread Phillip Jones


Benoit Renard wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

mailing links to pages which have the js doesn't make thing more secure,
just less convenient.


It does make it more secure. With no JavaScript in the e-mail message, 
you can't get exposed to the JavaScript just by opening the message. You 
have to choose to visit the page.


And just because we can't make both safe doesn't mean we shouldn't at 
least try to make one of them safe.


Active-X will never, ever be safe. Java-script could be is some would 
take the time. They make Java work in Sandbox (whatever that is). Why 
can't Java-script. Must not be too dangerous Adobe acrobat uses it 
extensively.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!


Phillip Jones wrote:

»Q« wrote:

In ,
Robert Kaiser  wrote:


The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely
refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today:
SeaMonkey 2.0


Congratulations and thanks to everybody involved!


Now that it is Gold and SkyPilot and QuoteColors now works I'll have to
figure out how I can move my current setup in 1.1.8, over again. when I
was trying The Beta's for first time I had it copy over all my setup
from 1.1.8 Since I've only used the browser section after I found out
quote colors, didn't work and was deal breaker. Today I downloaded
Quotecolors and it works. So I now want to move on.

Besides the news and Email I've also added some filter rules. and other
items.

Can I completely remove the Profile Folder and do the import?



From what you are saying, you have already imported.  If you have 
another profile to import, do not delete the profile folder until you 
have imported the data.


Once you are happy with how 2.0 is working, it would be a good idea to 
delete the old profile folder, to save disk space.  If you have 
installed 2.0 anywhere other than Applications, move it to the 
Applications folder, and let it overwrite 1.1.8.


Lee
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

2009-10-27 Thread Phillip Jones


»Q« wrote:

In ,
Robert Kaiser  wrote:

The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely 
refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today: 
SeaMonkey 2.0


Congratulations and thanks to everybody involved!

Now that it is Gold and SkyPilot and QuoteColors now works I'll have to 
figure out how I can move my current setup in 1.1.8, over again. when I 
was trying The Beta's for first time  I had it copy over all my setup 
from 1.1.8 Since I've only used the browser section after I found out 
quote colors, didn't work and was deal breaker. Today I downloaded 
Quotecolors and it works. So I now want to move on.


Besides the news and Email I've also added some filter rules.  and other 
items.


Can I completely remove the Profile Folder and  do the import?

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 destroys previous e-mail inboxes


cciaffone wrote:

Yup, also lost my newsgroups as well as the url history list.

Not what you would call a glorious upgrade. Lost way
more than I gained. I have reverted to 1.1.18.

Fortunately the developers have not figured out how
to destroy the older files ... or they would have.


I guess with your negative experience, you are entitled to be cynical.

I would suggest that the old files are left as a fail safe, and perhaps 
we should thank the developers for that. The migration wizard in the 2.0 
pre nightlies, though the Alphas, was having problems with my admittedly 
unusual profile setup.  The Betas started handling it well, and breezed 
though my wife's decidedly normal profile.


Still, it is new software, it is a volunteer effort, and no matter how 
well it is tested, glitches are going to occur.  Isn't it fortunate that 
we  are provided with a ready made backup, in the old installation and 
profiles.


You will be able to restore your newsgroups with ease.  Ask if you need 
any guidance. URL history, is that a really major thing in your usage?


By the way, I will note two things.  For Mac users, installing SM 2.0 
*does* overwrite 1.1.x, unlike Windows.


Also, while I was writing this, my RSS feeds updated, and I was stuck 
looking at the Pinwheel of Death for 30 seconds while it did so.  I 
guess 30 seconds isn't that long, but man it is a pain.


Lee
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 destroys previous e-mail inboxes

2009-10-27 Thread cciaffone


Yup, also lost my newsgroups as well as the url history list.

Not what you would call a glorious upgrade. Lost way
more than I gained. I have reverted to 1.1.18.

Fortunately the developers have not figured out how
to destroy the older files ... or they would have.
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Re: Cannot Launch SeaMonkey 2


David E. Ross wrote:

On 10/27/2009 4:38 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 10/27/2009 3:45 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

First, I cleared out SeaMonkey 1.1.18. I deleted its entire
installation folder and all profile folders. (I saved the profiles on a
different hard drive; I'll have to retrieve the plugins from the backup
I ran about a half-hour before.)

Then, I installed SeaMonkey 2.0 on Windows XP SP2. I did a custom
install, deselecting Chatzilla. I installed in
[C:\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe].

At the end, I got a window asking if I wanted to launch SeaMonkey. I
responded positively. I then got an error popup with the message:
"SeaMonkey is already running, but is not reponding. To open a new
window, you must first close the existing SeaMonkey process, or restart
your system." I checked the Windows Task Manager (Ctrl-Alt-Delete) --
both Applications and Processes tabs -- and cannot find SeaMonkey
running. When I did a warm reboot, I got the same error popup.

Please DO NOT respond with a link or reference to a Web page. At the
moment, I don't have a working browser.


Surely you have Internet Explorer. Well, I guess, we can argue the
meaning of "working browser". ;)

You might want to install Firefox as a backup. I always keep it handy,
just in case.

Remind me what version of Windows you are running. So far, I've got it
up on XP SP3 with no issues. However, the difference in our experiences
is that I have not tried installing it without an existing profile from
which to transfer. I'll give a whirl and see what I discover.

Lee

For what it may be worth, I just installed SM 2.0 on XP Pro SP3.
SeaMonkey had never been installed on this system.  It installed and
started up with no issues.

Again, can you clarify exactly what version of Windows you are running?

Lee

Windows XP Home Edition 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 Build 2600
(Build 2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.090804-1412)



Okay, thanks!

Have you checked in the new profile location for parent.lock, as Hartmut
suggested?  That would be the obvious culprit.

Lee


By now, I've complete removed SM 2 and reverted back to SM 1.1.18.
Perhaps tonight, I might have time to try to install SM 2 in its own
folder with a distinct folder for its profiles.  It's time for dinner,
and then I have a 7:00pm PDT meeting to attend.



Well, here is the interesting thing.

SM 2.0 is set to install to a distinct folder.  When you install it, it 
doesn't overwrite the existing 1.1.x.  Not only that, it imports the 
profile from 1.1.x, and places it in a distinct location.


You can then very easily run the two side by side, one will not impact 
the other.


Your mistake may have been in being too careful.  You uninstalled 1.1.x, 
and removed the profiles.  I would suggest, leave 1.1.x in place, both 
program and profiles. Install 2.0 to its default location, which is 
different then 1.1.x.  Both will now exist.  Let 2.0 migrate your 
primary profile. 1.1.x and 2.0 will now have separate profiles with the 
same data. If there is a problem with your new 2.0 installation, you can 
simply run 1.1.x until we have figured out what is going wrong.


Lets look at the bright side, probably nothing will go wrong.

Lee
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Re: Freezing in SM2


Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 10/26/2009 4:45 AM, David Wilkinson wrote:

/snip/



RSS doesn't exist in Mac version of SM 1.1.8 never has. you could
add an
extension but didn't like it. Even in FF I don't use it.



Actually, Forumzilla worked very well on 1.1.x. Generally the RSS
reader native to SM 2.0 Mail/News is better, but Forumzilla didn't
freeze 1.1.x quite the way RSS does in 2.0.

Again though, I suspect that my system of placing data on an external
drive may have something to do with that.

Lee


I tried another other than the one you suggest. never saw anything
interest, and caused more problems in fact I had to remove all the
chrome items the re-download then install what I had.
Can you disable the RSS in SM2??



No need to disable it, just don't use it.

Lee

People here are complaining that the RSS is the reason from Freezing
problems while it updates.



That is clearly my experience as well. Then again, my unusual storage is 
probably making it worse.


Looking back, if my memory has any validity, back with TB 1.5, there was 
no problem. RSS would update without my even being aware it was 
happening.  It was with TB 2 that it bagin to be an issue.  SM2 has 
likely inherited that issue.


Lee
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Re: Cannot Launch SeaMonkey 2

On 10/27/2009 4:38 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 10/27/2009 3:45 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
 David E. Ross wrote:
> First, I cleared out SeaMonkey 1.1.18. I deleted its entire
> installation folder and all profile folders. (I saved the profiles on a
> different hard drive; I'll have to retrieve the plugins from the backup
> I ran about a half-hour before.)
>
> Then, I installed SeaMonkey 2.0 on Windows XP SP2. I did a custom
> install, deselecting Chatzilla. I installed in
> [C:\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe].
>
> At the end, I got a window asking if I wanted to launch SeaMonkey. I
> responded positively. I then got an error popup with the message:
> "SeaMonkey is already running, but is not reponding. To open a new
> window, you must first close the existing SeaMonkey process, or restart
> your system." I checked the Windows Task Manager (Ctrl-Alt-Delete) --
> both Applications and Processes tabs -- and cannot find SeaMonkey
> running. When I did a warm reboot, I got the same error popup.
>
> Please DO NOT respond with a link or reference to a Web page. At the
> moment, I don't have a working browser.
>
 Surely you have Internet Explorer. Well, I guess, we can argue the
 meaning of "working browser". ;)

 You might want to install Firefox as a backup. I always keep it handy,
 just in case.

 Remind me what version of Windows you are running. So far, I've got it
 up on XP SP3 with no issues. However, the difference in our experiences
 is that I have not tried installing it without an existing profile from
 which to transfer. I'll give a whirl and see what I discover.

 Lee
>>> For what it may be worth, I just installed SM 2.0 on XP Pro SP3.
>>> SeaMonkey had never been installed on this system.  It installed and
>>> started up with no issues.
>>>
>>> Again, can you clarify exactly what version of Windows you are running?
>>>
>>> Lee
>> Windows XP Home Edition 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 Build 2600
>> (Build 2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.090804-1412)
>>
> 
> Okay, thanks!
> 
> Have you checked in the new profile location for parent.lock, as Hartmut 
> suggested?  That would be the obvious culprit.
> 
> Lee

By now, I've complete removed SM 2 and reverted back to SM 1.1.18.
Perhaps tonight, I might have time to try to install SM 2 in its own
folder with a distinct folder for its profiles.  It's time for dinner,
and then I have a 7:00pm PDT meeting to attend.

-- 
David E. Ross

Go to Mozdev at  for quick access to
extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other
Mozilla-related applications.  You can access Mozdev much
more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons.
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Re: [Master Password] Re: Annoying behavior, bugs seen with SM 2.0 RC1 -- looking for feedback, info

2009-10-27 Thread Neil


Miles Fidelman wrote:

the master password box kept getting in the way of things, and I 
couldn't get out of SeaMonkey without a forced quit


Needless to say, I've reverted to Seamonkey 1.x and all is working again.

Also, needless to say, I'm not willing to do a hard reset on the 
master password and lose all my passwords, cookies, etc.


If you weren't prompted for the master password in SeaMonkey 1.x then 
you probably weren't using it and you won't lose anything by resetting 
it. I say probably because I only know of two uses in SeaMonkey 1.x:


  1. It was used to protect client certificates (e.g. S/MIME personal
 certificates)
  2. There was a preference that could use it to encrypt your
 passwords. This preference was disabled by default. See
 Preferences - Privacy & Security - Passwords - Encrypting vs.
 Obscuring.

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Re: Cannot Launch SeaMonkey 2


David E. Ross wrote:

On 10/27/2009 3:45 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

First, I cleared out SeaMonkey 1.1.18. I deleted its entire
installation folder and all profile folders. (I saved the profiles on a
different hard drive; I'll have to retrieve the plugins from the backup
I ran about a half-hour before.)

Then, I installed SeaMonkey 2.0 on Windows XP SP2. I did a custom
install, deselecting Chatzilla. I installed in
[C:\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe].

At the end, I got a window asking if I wanted to launch SeaMonkey. I
responded positively. I then got an error popup with the message:
"SeaMonkey is already running, but is not reponding. To open a new
window, you must first close the existing SeaMonkey process, or restart
your system." I checked the Windows Task Manager (Ctrl-Alt-Delete) --
both Applications and Processes tabs -- and cannot find SeaMonkey
running. When I did a warm reboot, I got the same error popup.

Please DO NOT respond with a link or reference to a Web page. At the
moment, I don't have a working browser.


Surely you have Internet Explorer. Well, I guess, we can argue the
meaning of "working browser". ;)

You might want to install Firefox as a backup. I always keep it handy,
just in case.

Remind me what version of Windows you are running. So far, I've got it
up on XP SP3 with no issues. However, the difference in our experiences
is that I have not tried installing it without an existing profile from
which to transfer. I'll give a whirl and see what I discover.

Lee


For what it may be worth, I just installed SM 2.0 on XP Pro SP3.
SeaMonkey had never been installed on this system.  It installed and
started up with no issues.

Again, can you clarify exactly what version of Windows you are running?

Lee


Windows XP Home Edition 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 Build 2600
(Build 2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.090804-1412)



Okay, thanks!

Have you checked in the new profile location for parent.lock, as Hartmut 
suggested?  That would be the obvious culprit.


Lee
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Re: Cannot Launch SeaMonkey 2

On 10/27/2009 3:45 PM, Leonidas Jones wrote:
> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>> David E. Ross wrote:
>>> First, I cleared out SeaMonkey 1.1.18. I deleted its entire
>>> installation folder and all profile folders. (I saved the profiles on a
>>> different hard drive; I'll have to retrieve the plugins from the backup
>>> I ran about a half-hour before.)
>>>
>>> Then, I installed SeaMonkey 2.0 on Windows XP SP2. I did a custom
>>> install, deselecting Chatzilla. I installed in
>>> [C:\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe].
>>>
>>> At the end, I got a window asking if I wanted to launch SeaMonkey. I
>>> responded positively. I then got an error popup with the message:
>>> "SeaMonkey is already running, but is not reponding. To open a new
>>> window, you must first close the existing SeaMonkey process, or restart
>>> your system." I checked the Windows Task Manager (Ctrl-Alt-Delete) --
>>> both Applications and Processes tabs -- and cannot find SeaMonkey
>>> running. When I did a warm reboot, I got the same error popup.
>>>
>>> Please DO NOT respond with a link or reference to a Web page. At the
>>> moment, I don't have a working browser.
>>>
>> Surely you have Internet Explorer. Well, I guess, we can argue the
>> meaning of "working browser". ;)
>>
>> You might want to install Firefox as a backup. I always keep it handy,
>> just in case.
>>
>> Remind me what version of Windows you are running. So far, I've got it
>> up on XP SP3 with no issues. However, the difference in our experiences
>> is that I have not tried installing it without an existing profile from
>> which to transfer. I'll give a whirl and see what I discover.
>>
>> Lee
> 
> For what it may be worth, I just installed SM 2.0 on XP Pro SP3. 
> SeaMonkey had never been installed on this system.  It installed and 
> started up with no issues.
> 
> Again, can you clarify exactly what version of Windows you are running?
> 
> Lee

Windows XP Home Edition 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 Build 2600
(Build 2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.090804-1412)

-- 
David E. Ross


Go to Mozdev at  for quick access to
extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other
Mozilla-related applications.  You can access Mozdev much
more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons.
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Re: Freezing in SM2

2009-10-27 Thread Phillip Jones


Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 10/26/2009 4:45 AM, David Wilkinson wrote:

/snip/


RSS doesn't exist in Mac version of SM 1.1.8 never has. you could 
add an

extension but didn't like it. Even in FF I don't use it.



Actually, Forumzilla worked very well on 1.1.x. Generally the RSS
reader native to SM 2.0 Mail/News is better, but Forumzilla didn't
freeze 1.1.x quite the way RSS does in 2.0.

Again though, I suspect that my system of placing data on an external
drive may have something to do with that.

Lee


I tried another other than the one you suggest. never saw anything
interest, and caused more problems in fact I had to remove all the
chrome items the re-download then install what I had.
Can you disable the RSS in SM2??



No need to disable it, just don't use it.

Lee
People here are complaining that the RSS is the reason from Freezing 
problems while it updates.


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