Re: Time torture tests four cameras

2010-05-18 Thread David J Brooks
Yes but can it blend Dave On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:28 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Including the Pentax W-90. Not much of a test, but somewhat amusing. http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,85466556001_1989271,00.html?xid=aol-direct Paul -- PDML

Re: PESO Tilted is the new level

2010-05-18 Thread Toine
That's a serious setup. I'm flabbergasted how all the angles and tilts interact properly. I do spot a Z70 :) On 17 May 2010 13:40, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: Finally getting some free/shooting time to play with my tilt/shift bellows and the result is nice but calls for extra light.

Geso: Virginia's birthday party

2010-05-18 Thread Larry Colen
A friend had a party for her 50th birthday last weekend and wanted me to do photos at it. It pretty much was my first time doing a studio shoot someplace other than my house, so I spent a lot of time figuring out what to bring, what I'd use etc. It took me a while to get the lights dialed

RE: Chicago

2010-05-18 Thread Bob W
Yes, this is essentially the standard counter-argument by art theorists that intention is a necessary part of art. It is usually framed in terms of naïve primitive painters, sculptors and so on, but vernacular photography works equally well. Bob Every time I hear about intent I remember this

Re: PESO-Clementine Rainbow

2010-05-18 Thread Rob Studdert
On 18/05/2010, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote: I guess it begs the question...Does it really matter whether it was a daytime or nighttime shot? If a take a shot at night and expose it to look more like daylight or take a shot in the daytime and expose it so it looks like night...

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread Rob Studdert
On 18/05/2010, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: A good rangefinder? Perhaps as rangefinders go.. If you want to experience un-ambiguous focus with normal to super-wides the old RF design can't be beat. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay,

Re: PESO Tilted is the new level

2010-05-18 Thread Derby Chang
eckinator wrote: 2010/5/17 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com: I'll post a few gear pics later today and add some explanations Here you go now. My kit. A combination of eBay steals and I'm so happy I finally get around to play with it extensively. My biggest problem at this time is that

Re: photographing bright red, dayglo pink and orange

2010-05-18 Thread Rob Studdert
On 18/05/2010, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: I was asked to do some photo sessions at a party this weekend. I tried to take care not to blow out the red channel when I was setting the exposure, but when I looked at the photos in LR on my mac the reds seemed somewhat orangey, and the

K-7, Digital and film observations.

2010-05-18 Thread Malcolm Smith
A couple of months ago, I finally got a K-7. Unlike most new owners, I've only really got to open the box and use it in the last week, after actually reading the manual first (I know, very odd). I bought the ist D when it first came out and I've never seen up close any of the other Pentax DSLRs,

Re: PESO: Should I?

2010-05-18 Thread Madame RD
Le 18/05/10 06:22, Jerry in Arizona a écrit : Pentax K20D, DA 3.5-5.6 18-55 18-55mm Taken outside a tattoo/piercing parlor in San Francisco Haight Ashbury district last December. Was she trying to decide on a tattoo or being pierced? Same place I had my ear pierced that day.

Re: PESO - Downtown Chicago from Augenblick

2010-05-18 Thread Rob Studdert
On 18/05/2010, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: After the exhibit opening, many of us went to the roof for a look at downtown. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11021659size=lg Swt... -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype,

Re: PESO: Fence Dance

2010-05-18 Thread Madame RD
Le 17/05/10 23:02, Jack Davis a écrit : Was still reclining on the patio Chaise with K20 in hand. Mocking Birds are in full voice right now and quite active. We have 12 to 20 Goldfinches emptying their Nyger, Nyjer, Niger feeder at any one time and that activity may have attracted this party.

PESO Dusk Harbour Pano

2010-05-18 Thread Rob Studdert
Hi Team, Another pano shot last weekend. The image was captured hand held using K-x and smc PENTAX-A 50mm F1.2 f4 1/25, ISO 250 and assembled using Autopano rendered in a cylindrical projection. The source files consisted of 12 portrait 2MP in-camera JPG files. The output file contrast was

Re: PESO - Clementine Rainbow Round 2

2010-05-18 Thread Rob Studdert
On 18/05/2010, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote: After multiple comments I have made a version that is lighter. As I look at them, I still prefer the original. Here is a version lightened a little to bring out the water and surrounding rocks and trees:

Re: PESO: Fence Dance

2010-05-18 Thread Toine
Great capture. I like it! If it's a heavy crop I would add some space to the right and place the bird at 1/3 of the frame. Toine On 17 May 2010 23:02, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: Was still reclining on the patio Chaise with K20 in hand. Mocking Birds are in full voice right now and

RE: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread Bill Sawyer
Paul, I just picked up a used M7, to shoot BW film. I like the phrase 'a thing of beauty', but there is a real learning curve to using a rangefinder. Bill Sawyer -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of paul stenquist Sent: Monday, May

Re: PESO Tilted is the new level

2010-05-18 Thread eckinator
Mr Dutch Free Camera Fairy I almost omitted you; I am sorry. Indeed that is the Z70 on its first battery and roll and so far all functions appear to be in order. Having finally obtained a full format camera without stupid menus, I decided to go pro so it is of course Velvia... Thanks again, man

Re: PESO: Fence Dance

2010-05-18 Thread Jack Davis
I have nothing so big either. I'm familiar with the prime over zoom concept, Bob. Actually, Pop Photo's SQF tests of both the DA*300 f/4 and the DA 55~300 /f4-5.6 showed the 55~300 as producing much superior resolution results at all comparable aperture settings. I realize, of course, that's

Re: PESO: Fence Dance

2010-05-18 Thread Jack Davis
Appreciated comments, Dominique! Jack --- On Tue, 5/18/10, Madame RD romd...@orange.fr wrote: From: Madame RD romd...@orange.fr Subject: Re: PESO: Fence Dance To: pdml@pdml.net Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 2:28 AM Le 17/05/10 23:02, Jack Davis a écrit : Was still reclining on the patio

Re: PESO: Fence Dance

2010-05-18 Thread Jack Davis
Thanks for the rule of thirds remind, Toine. Actually posted for a brief existence. Jack --- On Tue, 5/18/10, Toine to...@repiuk.nl wrote: From: Toine to...@repiuk.nl Subject: Re: PESO: Fence Dance To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 3:49 AM Great

Re: PESO Dusk Harbour Pano

2010-05-18 Thread Bob Sullivan
Lovely image Rob. From amoving ferry? Impressive! Why 2 MP jpegs? Buffer size in the K-x? You'll be giving Boris a run for it with the A50/1.2. Regards, Bob S. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 5:05 AM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Team, Another pano shot last weekend. The image

Re: PESO - Clementine Rainbow Round 2

2010-05-18 Thread Bob Sullivan
Bruce, I appreciate the effort you made to lighten the picture, but have to agree that your original choice was more pleasing. The rock on the far side and water start to look washed out in the lightened version. Thanks, Bob S. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 5:12 AM, Rob Studdert

Re: Time torture tests four cameras

2010-05-18 Thread Bob Sullivan
Plase, that's 'Will It Blend' :-) On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:33 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Yes but can it blend Dave On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:28 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Including the Pentax W-90. Not much of a test, but somewhat amusing.

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I worked with Leica RF cameras on and off from 1969 to 2002. I'd enjoy an M4-P again, but I know I'd never work with film enough again to warrant the expense. I'd enjoy an M8 or M9 now. Have fun with it. Although it's expensive, it's just a camera ... a darn good one with a great lens. --

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread Jeffery Smith
I got flamed on the Leica Users Group forum for mentioning this, but my M8's were anything but reliable. My first one died after about a week, and Leica ignored all of my phone calls and emails until I finally contacted the president of the company personally. If you aren't a professional

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread Bob Sullivan
Jeffery, Well thats a word or two to the wise... Saves me a lot of money. Regards, Bob S. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com wrote: I got flamed on the Leica Users Group forum for mentioning this, but my M8's were anything but reliable. My first one died after

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread Tom C
Makes Pentax sound wonderful by comparison. But surely the problem was not limited to Jeffrey's camera, so there's somewhat of a disconnect for me. Wouldn't just about every (or certainly many) Leica owner(s) that paid $6K for their tool be up in arms? On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Bob

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread Steven Desjardins
This would have been my only option anyway. ;-) On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Jeffery, Well thats a word or two to the wise... Saves me a lot of money. Regards,  Bob S. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: PESO: Fence Dance

2010-05-18 Thread David J Brooks
Very nice. Dave On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: Was still reclining on the patio Chaise with K20 in hand. Mocking Birds are in full voice right now and quite active. We have 12 to 20 Goldfinches emptying their Nyger, Nyjer, Niger feeder at any one time

Re: PESO: Fence Dance

2010-05-18 Thread Jack Davis
Pleased you commented, Dave. Jack --- On Tue, 5/18/10, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: From: David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com Subject: Re: PESO: Fence Dance To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 7:36 AM Very nice. Dave On Mon, May 17,

Re: PESO: Fence Dance

2010-05-18 Thread David J Brooks
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: Pleased you commented, Dave. Jack No problem. I'm quite impressed with your 55-300 Dave --- On Tue, 5/18/10, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: From: David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com Subject: Re: PESO: Fence

Re: PESO Dusk Harbour Pano

2010-05-18 Thread eckinator
2010/5/18 Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com: [...] handheld [...] from a moving harbour ferry ;-) whoa... impressive... I had no idea this could be done at relative ease very nice and being from the Waterkant myself I am drawn to harbour views as it is thanks for sharing ecke -- PDML

Re: PESO: Fence Dance

2010-05-18 Thread eckinator
2010/5/17 Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com: Was still reclining on the patio Chaise with K20 in hand. Mocking Birds are in full voice right now and quite active. We have 12 to 20 Goldfinches emptying their Nyger, Nyjer, Niger feeder at any one time and that activity may have attracted this

Re: PESO: Should I?

2010-05-18 Thread eckinator
2010/5/18 Madame RD romd...@orange.fr: I'd have thought :       should I tell her/his mum or not ?   .. i'm wondering whether having her entire right arm in the picture would change something or not ? better without IMVHO have to admit though I find her hard to interprete cheers ecke

Re: PESO: Should I?

2010-05-18 Thread Jerry in Arizona
Yes, absolutely.   I looked back at the original and her arm is all there.  Guess I was more worried about perspective (I have a thing about keystoning doors and walls) and that caused her to lose her elbow.  I also should have resized the image.   Thanks again! From: Madame RD

Re: PESO - Clementine Rainbow Round 2

2010-05-18 Thread eckinator
I chime in with everone else and much prefer the original At any rate, beautiful image Thanks for sharing Ecke 2010/5/18 Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com: Bruce, I appreciate the effort you made to lighten the picture, but have to agree that your original choice was more pleasing. The rock

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread P N Stenquist
On May 18, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Tom C wrote: Makes Pentax sound wonderful by comparison. But surely the problem was not limited to Jeffrey's camera, so there's somewhat of a disconnect for me. Wouldn't just about every (or certainly many) Leica owner(s) that paid $6K for their tool be up in

Re: Geso: Virginia's birthday party

2010-05-18 Thread eckinator
2010/5/18 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: A friend had a party for her 50th birthday last weekend and wanted me to do photos at it. It pretty much was my first time doing a studio shoot someplace other than my house, so I spent a lot of time figuring out what to bring, what I'd use etc.  It

Re: PESO - Downtown Chicago from Augenblick

2010-05-18 Thread eckinator
2010/5/18 Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com: On 18/05/2010, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: After the exhibit opening, many of us went to the roof for a look at downtown. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11021659size=lg Swt... Especially the sky... Cheers Ecke -- PDML

Re: PESO: Chicago - Central Camera

2010-05-18 Thread eckinator
2010/5/14 taylorjohn...@cablespeed.com: I had an absolute blast last week in Chicago! Huge thanks to Mark and Christine for all their hard work and dedication to make the exhibit a reality. So good to meet you PDML'ers that were there. You all are an awesome group of very talented folks.

Re: Chicago

2010-05-18 Thread P. J. Alling
Then it's not really art, it's craft. The converse is that just because you intend to create art, doesn't mean you've succeeded. There's a lot of crap passed off as Art that's just crap. On 5/18/2010 3:28 AM, Bob W wrote: Yes, this is essentially the standard counter-argument by art

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread Jeffery Smith
Amazingly, the people on the LUG who had faulty M8 bodies made excuses for the camera (as in I have no problem as long as I remove and replace the battery before every shot, or Mine sometimes requires turning off and on a dozen times before the shutter will work.). The pro photographers on the

Re: PAW19 - May 17

2010-05-18 Thread eckinator
2010/5/17 DagT li...@thrane.name: A Norwegian National holiday full of large crowds, flags, balloons and kids, as some invisible who prefer something else All hell breaking loose... =) Cheers Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread Tom C
That IS amazing. A bit of arrogance, eh? 'I paid so much much for this camera if I admit it's a pice of junk I'm afraid I'll look foolish'... well they were and they did. Tom C. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com wrote: Amazingly, the people on the LUG who had

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread Tom C
Wow... Thanks. So it seems they totally dropped the ball. What's hard to comprehend is how the camera made it through QA with such a crippling defect. It sounds to me like little QA or a very very defective test plan. Or as sometimes happens in the software world, people at lower levels realize

Re: PESO: Fence Dance

2010-05-18 Thread Jack Davis
Me too..as you may have gathered. It's certainly not the last word, but can't deny it can surprise at times. If Pentax were to produce a DA* 300 with the relative attributes assigned to the DA*200, my hankering level might be at DEFCOM 1. 8=) (I would, however, keep the DA 55~300. Jack --- On

Re: PESO: Fence Dance

2010-05-18 Thread Jack Davis
May have been tilting backwards from eating fermenting cherries. hic! Jack --- On Tue, 5/18/10, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: From: eckinator eckina...@gmail.com Subject: Re: PESO: Fence Dance To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 7:43 AM 2010/5/17

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread Adam Maas
It's pretty clear that Leica shipped a camera with known fatal flaws with the M8. Some of the flaws have been solved, others have not and cannot be. The interesting thing is how Leica handled reviews of the M8 on introduction, there were some severe fireworks over Leica taking offense to

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread Jeffery Smith
I think that Leica was at a crossroads due to digital catching on among pros. They obviously felt that they waited too long to enter the digital world and were making up for lost time (and revenue). It would not have been so much of a problem had they owned up to the problems and fixed them

Re: PESO Dusk Harbour Pano

2010-05-18 Thread P. J. Alling
You are a hateful man, I cannot afford another camera at this time. (Also I don't /need/ to try to learn this particular skill). Who do you work for anyway? Beelzebub? On 5/18/2010 9:09 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Lovely image Rob. From amoving ferry? Impressive! Why 2 MP jpegs? Buffer size

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread Jeffery Smith
Like green ghosting? Like the need to put an expensive UV/IR filter on any lens you plan to use on the M8? And the outrageous prices they were charging to upgrade the lenses with some black stripes painted on the base so the camera would recognize the lens you were using? On May 18, 2010, at

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread P. J. Alling
I think it would actually work without the digital encoding. The rest however... On 5/18/2010 11:50 AM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Like green ghosting? Like the need to put an expensive UV/IR filter on any lens you plan to use on the M8? And the outrageous prices they were charging to upgrade the

Re: Geso: Virginia's birthday party

2010-05-18 Thread Larry Colen
On May 18, 2010, at 7:54 AM, eckinator wrote: 2010/5/18 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: A friend had a party for her 50th birthday last weekend and wanted me to do photos at it. It pretty much was my first time doing a studio shoot someplace other than my house, so I spent a lot of time

GESO: Augenblick Chicago 2010

2010-05-18 Thread Jay Taylor
Here are a few images from my short visit to Chicago last week. The gallery opening was fantastic as was the company of the PDML'ers there. I'm so very glad to have met you guys and it was a pleasure hanging out with you. Special thanks again to Mark and Christine for their huge part in

Re: PESO-Clementine Rainbow

2010-05-18 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello Rob, You bring up a good point. I was reading a thread on HDR recently and that was one of the issues brought up - basically that the compression of the dynamic range of an HDR image causes it to look unnatural, and for some people that causes them to reject or dislike it. Once could

Re: PESO - Clementine Rainbow Round 2

2010-05-18 Thread Bruce Dayton
RS On 18/05/2010, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote: After multiple comments I have made a version that is lighter. As I look at them, I still prefer the original. Here is a version lightened a little to bring out the water and surrounding rocks and trees:

Re: PESO Dusk Harbour Pano

2010-05-18 Thread Bruce Dayton
Wonderful pano - you have the techniques down pretty well to produce even in less than ideal conditions. -- Best regards, Bruce Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 3:05:34 AM, you wrote: RS Hi Team, RS Another pano shot last weekend. The image was captured hand held using RS K-x and smc PENTAX-A 50mm

Re: PESO - Downtown Chicago from Augenblick

2010-05-18 Thread John Sessoms
The show's not over 'til the fat lady sings. From: Ann Sanfedele I think he meant Ophra ;-) Nice shot Tom, steady hands or you used the railing ann (working on her GESO) paul stenquist wrote: On May 17, 2010, at 9:11 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Did you happen to run in to Opera?

Re: PESO: Chicago - Central Camera (Bob Sullivan)

2010-05-18 Thread Jay Taylor
On Tue May 18 1:25 , Bob Sullivan wrote: Jay, That's the Central Camera I know and love. Did you catch it at open or close? It is such a funky location under the 'EL' tracks, and your colors compliment that uniqueness. I hope you went inside as well. Regards, Bob S. Thanks Bob, Unfortunately

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
There's little excuse for BS like what Jeffery's been through, or for the obvious flaws in the M8, but the local Leica rep is someone I've known for a good many years and I'd have to say that Jeffery's customer service experience doesn't seem typical. I never had any difficulties with service and

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread Boris Liberman
Gosh, Jeffery, thank you. I am having eye opening experience reading your posts on this matter. Boris On 5/18/2010 6:03 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Amazingly, the people on the LUG who had faulty M8 bodies made excuses for the camera (as in I have no problem as long as I remove and replace the

Re: photographing bright red, dayglo pink and orange

2010-05-18 Thread Larry Colen
On 5/18/2010 2:01 AM, Rob Studdert wrote: On 18/05/2010, Larry Colenl...@red4est.com wrote: I was asked to do some photo sessions at a party this weekend. I tried to take care not to blow out the red channel when I was setting the exposure, but when I looked at the photos in LR on my mac the

RE: PESO Dusk Harbour Pano

2010-05-18 Thread John Sessoms
From: Rob Studdert Hi Team, Another pano shot last weekend. The image was captured hand held using K-x and smc PENTAX-A 50mm F1.2 f4 1/25, ISO 250 and assembled using Autopano rendered in a cylindrical projection. The source files consisted of 12 portrait 2MP in-camera JPG files. The output

RE: PESO - Downtown Chicago from Augenblick

2010-05-18 Thread Chris Mitchell
Tom C wrote Subject: PESO - Downtown Chicago from Augenblick After the exhibit opening, many of us went to the roof for a look at downtown. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11021659size=lg A good night shot Tom. I'm disappointed that I managed to get monopolised by some gallery

RE: Geso: Virginia's birthday party

2010-05-18 Thread Chris Mitchell
Larry Colen wrote Subject: Geso: Virginia's birthday party A friend had a party for her 50th birthday last weekend and wanted me to do photos at it. It pretty much was my first time doing a studio shoot someplace other than my house, so I spent a lot of time figuring out what to bring,

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread Boris Liberman
On 5/18/2010 8:20 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: It's always sad to hear reports of such a mess, but I hear them about every manufacturer from time to time. Nikon, Canon, Panasonic, Sony, Pentax ... all of them. I'm just glad I've only rarely needed service. ;-) Godfrey, there seems to be a minor

Re: Geso: Virginia's birthday party

2010-05-18 Thread Larry Colen
On 5/18/2010 10:37 AM, Chris Mitchell wrote: Larry Colen wrote Subject: Geso: Virginia's birthday party A friend had a party for her 50th birthday last weekend and wanted me to do photos at it. It pretty much was my first time doing a studio shoot someplace other than my house, so I spent a

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread John Sessoms
From: Jeffery Smith I got flamed on the Leica Users Group forum for mentioning this, but my M8's were anything but reliable. My first one died after about a week, and Leica ignored all of my phone calls and emails until I finally contacted the president of the company personally. If you aren't a

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread Jeffery Smith
Post Katrina there were no places in this part of the state stocking the M8. I bought it from BH and was referred to Leica since it did not arrive dead on arrival. It took about 20 exposures before it died. On May 18, 2010, at 12:51 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Jeffery Smith I got flamed

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread John Sessoms
From: John Sessoms From: Jeffery Smith I got flamed on the Leica Users Group forum for mentioning this, but my M8's were anything but reliable. If I bought a camera that only worked for a week, I'd start with whoever I bought it from, and put the onus on them to make it right. Same for

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread P. J. Alling
Twenty exposures is DOA in my book. On 5/18/2010 2:12 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Post Katrina there were no places in this part of the state stocking the M8. I bought it from BH and was referred to Leica since it did not arrive dead on arrival. It took about 20 exposures before it died. On

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread P. J. Alling
BH photo gives you a week or so, (I can't remember how long exactly), and a couple hundred exposures before giving you a problem with a return. Dead after 20 exposures, is well within that return policy. On 5/18/2010 2:12 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Post Katrina there were no places in this

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread eckinator
We're talking about a spilled milk issue though, aren't we? I doubt you could even do so much as sue them and win now =( Cheers Ecke 2010/5/18 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com: BH photo gives you a week or so, (I can't remember how long exactly), and a couple hundred exposures before

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread Jeffery Smith
Do they have that written somewhere? I think that the early problems with the M8 were probably abundantly obvious to BH at the time. It certainly was well documented on the web that many cameras were breaking down very quickly. There is an adage that you should never buy the first version of

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread Jeffery Smith
That's why I'm using a K-7 instead of an M8. :-) Jeffery On May 18, 2010, at 1:40 PM, eckinator wrote: We're talking about a spilled milk issue though, aren't we? I doubt you could even do so much as sue them and win now =( Cheers Ecke 2010/5/18 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com:

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread eckinator
2010/5/18 Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com: Do they have that written somewhere? I think that the early problems with the M8 were probably abundantly obvious to BH at the time. It certainly was well documented on the web that many cameras were breaking down very quickly. There is an adage

RE: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread Bob W
The flaws are not fatal, either for the camera or for the photographer. They are serious flaws, but if you bite the bullet and buy the IR filters it's a good camera. Not the camera it should be, as a Leica, but still it's the camera I use the most. Jeffery seems to have suffered from piss-poor

RE: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread Bob W
Enjoy! I still have my M3, although I haven't used it in a long while. Bob Paul, I just picked up a used M7, to shoot BW film. I like the phrase 'a thing of beauty', but there is a real learning curve to using a rangefinder. Bill Sawyer -Original Message- From:

Re: Chicago

2010-05-18 Thread steve harley
On 2010-05-18 09:05 , P. J. Alling wrote: Then it's not really art, it's craft. another problem with requiring intent is how does the viewer know about the intent ... is it always obvious? is any intent sufficient? must one meet or learn about the artist as well as experience the art? what

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread P. J. Alling
They do have it written somewhere. In fact I think it was included with the documentation I received when I bought my K20D. I made sure that I'd have no problems if it proved unsuitable, or DOA, as I needed it for an assignment. On 5/18/2010 2:40 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Do they have that

RE: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread Bob W
Don't you have any kind of consumer protection over there? I mean, for a retailer to be allowed to turn away a faulty product after a week or so is disgraceful. Last August - 10 months ago - I bought a netbook from amazon.co.uk. It's been heavily used since then, on a daily basis. Last week it

Re: Chicago

2010-05-18 Thread P. J. Alling
On 5/18/2010 2:55 PM, steve harley wrote: On 2010-05-18 09:05 , P. J. Alling wrote: Then it's not really art, it's craft. another problem with requiring intent is how does the viewer know about the intent ... is it always obvious? is any intent sufficient? must one meet or learn about the

Re: photographing bright red, dayglo pink and orange

2010-05-18 Thread Ken Waller
Are you using the separate R, G, B channel histogram? I was blowing out the reds on some birds even tho the combined histogram showed an acceptable exposure. Monitoring the red channel separately took care of the issue for me. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

Re: PESO Tilted is the new level

2010-05-18 Thread Toine
Good to see it's found a good home after living in a cupboard for many years. Toine On 18 May 2010 13:49, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: Mr Dutch Free Camera Fairy I almost omitted you; I am sorry. Indeed that is the Z70 on its first battery and roll and so far all functions appear to

Re: photographing bright red, dayglo pink and orange

2010-05-18 Thread Larry Colen
On 5/18/2010 12:33 PM, Ken Waller wrote: Are you using the separate R, G, B channel histogram? Yup. Always. I thought I was leaving enough room, but maybe there was so little of the red at the high end that I didn't see it. Or maybe it got lost in the jpeg conversion. I was blowing out

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: ... (The Classic Camera, Pied Bull Yard, London http://www.theclassiccamera.com/) I know that shop! Haven't been there for a long time, but I believe they were the outfit who took my Nikon 35Ti in trade for a second-hand but

Re: Chicago

2010-05-18 Thread Tom C
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 2:55 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: another problem with requiring intent is how does the viewer know about the intent ... is it always obvious? is any intent sufficient? must one meet or learn about the artist as well as experience the art? what if we

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/18/2010 8:20 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: It's always sad to hear reports of such a mess, but I hear them about every manufacturer from time to time. Nikon, Canon, Panasonic, Sony, Pentax ... all of them. I'm just

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread Tom C
It comes from not being quite as socialist. ;-) On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Don't you have any kind of consumer protection over there? I mean, for a retailer to be allowed to turn away a faulty product after a week or so is disgraceful. Last August - 10

Re: PESO - Downtown Chicago from Augenblick

2010-05-18 Thread Tom C
Thanks Chris, Rob and all. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net wrote: Tom C wrote Subject: PESO - Downtown Chicago from Augenblick After the exhibit opening, many of us went to the roof for a look at downtown.

RE: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread Bob W
Viva la revolucion! It comes from not being quite as socialist. ;-) On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Don't you have any kind of consumer protection over there? I mean, for a retailer to be allowed to turn away a faulty product after a week or so

Pentax 645D apparently introduced in Canada

2010-05-18 Thread AlunFoto
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Re: GESO: Augenblick Chicago 2010

2010-05-18 Thread Bob Sullivan
Jay, It was a pleasure to meet you, sorry you didn't have more time. You sure got a lot of great pictures in your short visit. You really covered a lt of ground. The HDR stuff is sure different and interesting. And Sirfishalot made me smile... Regards, Bob S. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:06 AM,

Cameras in a Crowd, an Observation

2010-05-18 Thread John Celio
Last sunday was Bay to Breakers, an annual footrace across San Francisco. Few people seem to care about the race part, honestly: tens of thousands of people (generally of college age) walk the route drunk, high and partying. Lots of people show up in costumes ranging from adult babies to

GESO - Yet another Chicago view

2010-05-18 Thread Ann Sanfedele
http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Bus-Trip-to-Chicago-May-2010/12194964_YYtFD And getting there and comping back... I'm better at editing after waiting a year but these kinda tell the story - although on longer reflection I'm sure I'll dump some of these and replace with

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread eckinator
2010/5/18 Bob W p...@web-options.com: Last August - 10 months ago - I bought a netbook from amazon.co.uk. It's been heavily used since then, on a daily basis. Last week it stopped working and today I found out it's a problem with the motherboard, so I phoned Amazon, told them the problem and

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-18 Thread Jeffery Smith
I bought an Epson 2000P printer soon after they came out. It arrived DOA. I contacted Adorama.com (where I bought it), and they gave me a long list of pedestrian things to do that stretched out for several days (such as make sure that it is plugged in, that I'm not in the middle of a blackout,

Re: Pentax 645D apparently introduced in Canada

2010-05-18 Thread Jeffery Smith
Must.control.impulses On May 18, 2010, at 2:56 PM, AlunFoto wrote: Youtube flick: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd1V58LsKtcfeature=player_embedded -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Cameras in a Crowd, an Observation

2010-05-18 Thread eckinator
2010/5/18 John Celio n...@neovenator.com: What sorts of cameras do you notice when you're out in a crowd? Definitely Canon T90 because I've had mine stolen and still think it was the greatest non-AF camera I've ever owned. Tempted to pick one up in the bay often but it would start me on another

Re: PESO - Downtown Chicago from Augenblick

2010-05-18 Thread Bob Sullivan
Chris, Your shot in the train station with the child running around the statue has a big red dot on it. :-) Regards, Bob S. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net wrote: Tom C wrote Subject: PESO - Downtown Chicago from Augenblick After the exhibit

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