Re: [Felvtalk] OT: cat bite
I had a little girl break my finger (my fault). They (hand surgeons) put me on doxy. Obviously this was a very deep bite. I have had zillions of nips that I watch very carefully, wash extremely well and pack with antibiotic cream. Salt added to the water will make soaking less painful. On Dec 14, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Lance wrote: Hi everyone, During play, one of our cats bit me earlier today. I tried to get to an urgent care clinic, but they decided to stop seeing people at 4:30 pm. despite listing hours as 9-5. Real nice. ;-) Anyway, I’m wondering how worried I should be. A lovely pic of the bite can be seen here: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s201/sh/fc76bb30-31ff-40ed-80b1-4f499d5461e4/4adec821f3519913f482848c4c5f730b It seems much more superficial and “scratchy” rather than being a deep puncture wound, and FYI, you’re looking at my right arm about two inches above my elbow. We have doxycycline in the house, but the last time I was bitten, I took augmentin. Would prefer to do that, but I’m out of luck for the night, unless I feel like a high-costing trip to the ER (I’m currently inusrance-less, as luck would have it). Has anyone used doxy for cat bites? What symptoms around the bite should I be looking for that indicate its seriousness? I can get in to the urgent clinic tomorrow morning at 9, and the bite happened this afternoon at 3:45. Hopefully that gives me a little time. I know that none of you are MDs (well, I don’t know that for sure), but would appreciate input. Thanks, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Feeding strays ferals
Why can you feed birds and squirrels outside but not cats? Or outside dogs? On Apr 21, 2013, at 7:28 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: I would imagine TNR orgs have dealt with this type of thing. Sure seems it ought to be something to be appealed to the city council, or ? Maybe someone can offer a suggestion. Hope you can help change their minds. Yeah, talk about picking on the helpless... Good luck Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 1:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feeding strays ferals On 04-21, Marcia wrote: Hey guys (-: Marcia from Ks. Guess what the town that I live in is doing now? They are actually ticketing people who are caught feeding cats outside of their house! No kidding. This town is full of methheads and this is what they focus on. So sad. How awful. I can imagine how angry you are.. What jerks!! Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Feeding strays ferals
Again, what is the legal difference? On Apr 21, 2013, at 8:16 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: I suppose it is an effort to reduce the feral population...but it seems cruel and misguided to me. B. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 5:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feeding strays ferals Why can you feed birds and squirrels outside but not cats? Or outside dogs? On Apr 21, 2013, at 7:28 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: I would imagine TNR orgs have dealt with this type of thing. Sure seems it ought to be something to be appealed to the city council, or ? Maybe someone can offer a suggestion. Hope you can help change their minds. Yeah, talk about picking on the helpless... Good luck Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 1:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feeding strays ferals On 04-21, Marcia wrote: Hey guys (-: Marcia from Ks. Guess what the town that I live in is doing now? They are actually ticketing people who are caught feeding cats outside of their house! No kidding. This town is full of methheads and this is what they focus on. So sad. How awful. I can imagine how angry you are.. What jerks!! Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Off Topic. Very Thin 8 year old cat
I realize this is not a FELV+ question but this group has such wide experience and helped so much with Dixie, I just have to try. I have a very thin 8 year old cat who is almost impossible to vet. She has lived in Mom's garage since she was a day old. Recently she has gotten thin and appears cold. I have heat lamps, a cat heating pad, Snuggle Safes and rice bags for her on top of rubber maid totes. I can't be sure what she is eating but there is always food available and I've added Pet Tinic to the mix. She has two cats who hang out with her. They have all been neutered/spayed. Tommy has had weight/ cold issues for at least 8 weeks. She acts ok most of the time but there have been days that she looked like she was ready to leave this world. I am trying chcken livers and anything else I canthink of for iron. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic. Very Thin 8 year old cat
I really appreciate the information about getting her to the vets and would if it was an option. I have live traps etc. Once this crew is trapped, they are rarely trapped again. She can't be handled nor can the others. It is my hope to trap them one final time and relocate them to my farm. They live at my Mom's and she died. Her house will be sold. I have examined all the trap/vet possibilities. Honest. Consider that there will be no way of treating her for diabetes or even thyroid issues over any period of time unless she is imprisoned at the vets for the rest of her life. I will check the Neutro Ved for her food. Sometimes I can get supplements into her food and other times I can't. These guys are very wild. Think of this in terms of treating a possum or coon that lives near you. And yes, she is very loved but she is very wild too. On Mar 20, 2013, at 12:00 PM, Lee Evans wrote: Could be overactive thyroid. Especially if she's eating normally or more than normally and is getting thinner by the minute. That could also account for the fact that she is cold. Is her fur dull looking and dry? If she can be trapped, she would need a thyroid profile (T-3 and T-4) and a glucose test for diabetes. She may have the equivalent of human pernicious anemia or chronic anemia so a test for her hemoglobin level should also be done. These are things that various cats I have had living with me over the years developed as they aged.Hope it helps. You could also add NeutroVed to her food. It's a liquid iron and vitamin compound for cats. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:44 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Off Topic. Very Thin 8 year old cat I realize this is not a FELV+ question but this group has such wide experience and helped so much with Dixie, I just have to try. I have a very thin 8 year old cat who is almost impossible to vet. She has lived in Mom's garage since she was a day old. Recently she has gotten thin and appears cold. I have heat lamps, a cat heating pad, Snuggle Safes and rice bags for her on top of rubber maid totes. I can't be sure what she is eating but there is always food available and I've added Pet Tinic to the mix. She has two cats who hang out with her. They have all been neutered/spayed. Tommy has had weight/cold issues for at least 8 weeks. She acts ok most of the time but there have been days that she looked like she was ready to leave this world. I am trying chcken livers and anything else I canthink of for iron. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
Every feral I have ever known has refused a closed box..the odors must be upsetting like a port-a-let that has been well used. On Jan 15, 2013, at 9:54 PM, katskat1 wrote: Some good suggestions! I am feeding mine Science Diet for sensitive tummies mixed with two teaspoons of canned food to keep her interested. She inhales it! Little miss Hoover. I am feeding 9 other cats and three dogs at the same time. One of the dogs gets sensitive tummy food along with thyroid, pain and inflammation meds so I don't have time to pay enough attention to her to try and slow her down. I may start feeding her separately. Will see how it goes. Thanks for the ideas. I can't give her hairball medicine cause she immediately barfs it, often into her food bowl!! Subtle kitty that she is... For all that are interested, Miss Kitty is getting big, sleek and shiny. She is going to successfully sneak out the door someday. She will not give it up. Hope to keep her in til spring. Ozzie is doing MUCH better. Fattened up in his head, chest and front section of his body but back end just isn't gonna fill out. Mingles with the other cats if food is involved, purrs when petted in a manner and spot he approves of and has learned to ask to go in/ out so all is well. So far no issues developing with ,the FIV. Discovered he was choosing his own toilet areas, none of them litter boxes cause he apparently requires there be no top/lid on the boxes he is to use,. Take the lid off and he uses it every time. One mystery solved. Kat :: On Tuesday, January 15, 2013, wrote: When you gt the pumpkin, try mixing some plain yogurt with it. It will provide good bacteria for her intestines. Good thought on her accident. If she is not used to sudden noises, etc, that could have been the problem. As for her hiding, Annie hid in the basement for a wek or 2, coming up at night to eat. I put a box downstairs for her to use. She had lost her owner to cancer and was cooped up in her trailer for 3 weeks. The lady's sister came once a day, fed her and changed her box. Then she was put in a box, brought to the vet's and I picked her up and brought her home to a house with a basement, 6 cats and 2 new people. She freaked out and headed straight for the basement. She had always been an only cat so getting used to a house full and new people didn't help her. Now, she still does not like sharing me with the others, but does put up with it. I wish we could get a complete history with each new cat that comes our way, it would make it so easy to understand why the do and do not do things. For that reason, I have a letter to go with each one when I pass so the no kill shelter I have selected to get them will be able to understand their little quirks. strchalb...@aol.com wrote: Hi Sharyl, Thank you so much for the quick reply:) I would have to guess she is about 4 years old. I've had cats with worms before, but they were quite obvious in the stool... I will try to check her stool more closely. So some pumpkin for my Pumpkin how ironic... might need to try that and I will let you know. Maybe it will be best for her to stay in the basement, near her potty for awhile? I had one other response, and he said, she just may have had an accident, which is what I might be thinking. I think previously, we were chasing the kids in the house, and she may have gotten scared and it just sorta ran out... What about hiding under the bed?? She did that when she first came here, and has been good now for a few weeks, but today she was under the bed again? I read that sometimes can be a sign that they aren't feeling well? Thanks again for your time and knowledge: Tricia -Original Message- From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 9:42 pm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia Hi Tricia. You don't say how old Pumpkin is. It is usual to re- test for FeLV after 3 months. Since she used to be outside has she been treated for worms? That may be why her stools are soft. Many add some canned plain pumpkin (not the spiced pie filling) to the canned food to add fiber when a kitty has diarrhea. Usually start out with 1 tsp. I've never used Tylosin Tartrate. Here is a link to more info http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_tylosin.html Seems to be used as an anti-inflammatory and for colitis. You need to treat the diarrhea. FeLV is probably not the reason she has it Sharyl From: strchalb...@aol.com strchalb...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:06 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia Hello, I'm hoping someone can help me We live in the country and have about 8 outside cats. A friend
Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
Try tennis balls or baseballs then. On Jan 16, 2013, at 1:19 PM, katskat1 wrote: OMG! If I put golf balls in my dogs food they would swallow them and keep right on going! On Wednesday, January 16, 2013, Shelley Theye wrote: Hi Tricia and All, I recently joined this group after finding out that a neighborhood feral cat that I trapped to neuter, tested positive for FeLV. I have him separate from my cats now, and he has, over a few months, actually become a lot tamer, not 100% yet, but so much better, allows petting, plays, etc. Hope I am not out of line jumping in about Tricia's cat before properly introducing myself. I am not sure if I am getting all of the emails on this particular thread, but I think with her symptoms, ongoing or worsening loose stool, and now hiding, she should definitely be seen by a vet. There have been lots of great suggestions given, but IF she is not improving, you should bring her in for an exam. I would start by getting the name of the vet that your friend took her too, then call and ask them about her check-up, and why she was given the Tylosin. Ask your friend more about why the Tylosin too. Maybe have your friend call the vet first to let them know it is fine to tell you about her, that you adopted her...ask them if they did a fecal, deworming, etc. Find out the dewormer they gave her, what the fecal showed, etc. You need more info and maybe just by talking to them you will get some answers. If her symptoms continue, I think you should bring her in to your own vet. Have the other vet fax the records over. With FeLV cats, it is important to stay on top of symptoms and address them sooner versus later to treat anything before it advances, right? She could become dehydrated with ongoing diarrhea and you don't really know what is going on for sure to cause her symptoms, unless the other vet sheds some light. This is just my opinion. For instance, she could have coccidia, giardia, etc. Sometimes vets want to do a direct fecal to find certain parasites, etc. They can be hard to find on a fecal you drop off. Loose stool could have lots of bacteria in it too, not just worms, and she might need to be treated. I have a foster cat who had chronic loose stools and when fecals were done, he had an overload of bacteria and metronidazole helped for a while. His diarrhea ended up being intermittent to almost constant, until we finally figured out he has a food allergy and now after 4 years (!), his stools are finally normal on a special unique protein (rabbit) food. Hope Pumpkin starts feeling better soon. One other thing, declawing is very traumatic, and declawing an adult is even worse. Some of her litter box aversion could be from pain of declaw in addition to the diarrhea, not necessarily, but just something to be aware of. She has been through a lot. And she is still getting used to your home and being indoors. It's only been a few months, she still needs time to adapt. Also, cats will sometimes purr even if they don't feel good. Sounds like you are being a great mom to Pumpkin, but if she isn't getting better, I would definitely err on the side of caution and have her seen or at least call your vet or the other vet. Best, Shelley On Jan 15, 2013, at 10:54 PM, katskat1 wrote: Some good suggestions! I am feeding mine Science Diet for sensitive tummies mixed with two teaspoons of canned food to keep her interested. She inhales it! Little miss Hoover. I am feeding 9 other cats and three dogs at the same time. One of the dogs gets sensitive tummy food along with thyroid, pain and inflammation meds so I don't have time to pay enough attention to her to try and slow her down. I may start feeding her separately. Will see how it goes. Thanks for the ideas. I can't give her hairball medicine cause she immediately barfs it, often into her food bowl!! Subtle kitty that she is... For all that are interested, Miss Kitty is getting big, sleek and shiny. She is going to successfully sneak out the door someday. She will not give it up. Hope to keep her in til spring. Ozzie is doing MUCH better. Fattened up in his head, chest and front section of his body but back end just isn't gonna fill out. Mingles with the other cats if food is involved, purrs when petted in a manner and spot he approves of and has learned to ask to go in/ out so all is well. So far no issues developing with ,the FIV. Discovered he was choosing his own toilet areas, none of them litter boxes cause he apparently requires there be no top/lid on the boxes he is to use,. Take the lid off and he uses it every time. One mystery solved. Kat :: On Tuesday, January 15, 2013, wrote: When you gt the pumpkin, try mixing some plain yogurt with it. It will provide good bacteria for her intestines. Good thought on her accident. If she
Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
I got my dog to eat slower by putting golf balls in a pie pan with his food. He was forced to pick around the balls to get to the food. On Jan 15, 2013, at 7:29 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Tricia My Nitnoy lived a little over 4 years along with Annie who is also positive and 5 others who are all negative. My vet says that as long as the negatives have their vaccination for FELV and here are no fights where a positive bites a negative, there is very little chance of the negatives getting it. Nitnoy died after a short bout with impacted glands that became infected. That killed her, not the FELV which simply lowered her ability to fight off the infection. Annie is still going strong . Have you thought of changing food. Several of my guys were allergic to whet, corn and soy which is in most commercial foods. Casey would hurl right after eating and had stool problems and I have cleaned up more little puddles than I care to remember. She simply could not get to the box on time. Just like people, when it hits you don't have much time to get to a bathroom. I switched everyone to Blue Buffalo and no moe problems. Casey still has hairballs if I forget to give her hairball meds. Then recently I started giving everyone Royal Canine's Extreme Hairball dry as treats. Everyone loves it and now even hairballs are rare. I usually give around 10 pieces to each one and then stand guard to keep Harley from taking everyone else's treats. Also, does your baby eat too fast? Casey also had a tendency to gulp her food down. Started watching her eat and when she ate too fast I took it away from her and gave it back in a few minutes. Ended up sitting by her when she ate and giving her just a bite at a time. It did not take too long for her to catch on to th fact that eating slower kept her from vomintting. Just a few things you might try. Better than the 2 of you sleeping in the basement. john pollack bucfa...@yahoo.com wrote: Tricia My Tigger lived 1 month shy of 5 years with FeLV He had his ups and downs, as we all do He lived with 6 housemates...NONE are positive!! As far as the stool, cats get it like we do. may have eaten something that disagreed with him What test was done. Snap or other?? With Snap, if he's been exposed, it will be postitve, other (ELSA??) is more through, and can tell if he actually has it I wish you the best FeLV kitties can be the most loving of all, as Tigger was John From: strchalb...@aol.com strchalb...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:06 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia Hello, I'm hoping someone can help me We live in the country and have about 8 outside cats. A friend decided to take one home, Pumpkin, and had her all fixed up at the vet with shots, spay and declaw. She found out she has feline leukemia. She kept her for about a month, but I guess she was making a mess as far as using the litter box. I told her I didn't want her to go to an over crowded humane society, so I took her back. She is now in the house, as she is front declawed, and she is not to be around the other cats with her cancer. So... I've had her home since just before Christmas, and she's been fine other than not eating a whole lot. Her stool is quiet soft, and I did find a few hard turds in two different sleeping places that she uses. Well now today, she had a ver messy stool on the wood floor in the hallway!! Really shocked me as she's been so good using the littler box. Is this a sign that she is getting sick, the not using the littler box? She has a prescription for Tylosin Tartrate, and she said to give this to her(powder form), when/if she gets sick??? She does seems to sleep most of the day, but I know cats do do that:) She also does purr quite loud!! Must be a good sign. She will play with a string too. So she's been very happy, but now I had to resort to putting her back in the basement with her food and litter. I might end up sleeping down there with her again, as I did when she first came in thehouse. She has had the run of the house now for weeks, but I just don't trust her since her accident. I've read where infected cats can live quite long, but yet others do not. I certainly would not want to put her thru all sorts of treatments... Thank you for your time:))) I appreciate any input for my Pumpkin! Tricia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list
Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
Sometimes cats just want to be alone ... like people. Other times they don't feel safe. What kind of litter are you using? My former outside cats like the pine pellets. No perfumes, scent reminds them of the pine thicket they lived in etc. Also extremely easy to dispose of in the country. You may not be able to see the worms. Can you take a sample to the vet's to have it checked. There are so many kinds of worms and they could be causing the problems. Try Feliway spray or Cat Nap. Mine like to play with feathers as well as soft balls, paper sacks etc. On Jan 13, 2013, at 10:13 PM, strchalb...@aol.com wrote: Hi Sharyl, Thank you so much for the quick reply:) I would have to guess she is about 4 years old. I've had cats with worms before, but they were quite obvious in the stool... I will try to check her stool more closely. So some pumpkin for my Pumpkin how ironic... might need to try that and I will let you know. Maybe it will be best for her to stay in the basement, near her potty for awhile? I had one other response, and he said, she just may have had an accident, which is what I might be thinking. I think previously, we were chasing the kids in the house, and she may have gotten scared and it just sorta ran out... What about hiding under the bed?? She did that when she first came here, and has been good now for a few weeks, but today she was under the bed again? I read that sometimes can be a sign that they aren't feeling well? Thanks again for your time and knowledge: Tricia -Original Message- From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 9:42 pm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia Hi Tricia. You don't say how old Pumpkin is. It is usual to re-test for FeLV after 3 months. Since she used to be outside has she been treated for worms? That may be why her stools are soft. Many add some canned plain pumpkin (not the spiced pie filling) to the canned food to add fiber when a kitty has diarrhea. Usually start out with 1 tsp. I've never used Tylosin Tartrate. Here is a link to more info http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_tylosin.html Seems to be used as an anti-inflammatory and for colitis. You need to treat the diarrhea. FeLV is probably not the reason she has it Sharyl From: strchalb...@aol.com strchalb...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:06 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia Hello, I'm hoping someone can help me We live in the country and have about 8 outside cats. A friend decided to take one home, Pumpkin, and had her all fixed up at the vet with shots, spay and declaw. She found out she has feline leukemia. She kept her for about a month, but I guess she was making a mess as far as using the litter box. I told her I didn't want her to go to an over crowded humane society, so I took her back. She is now in the house, as she is front declawed, and she is not to be around the other cats with her cancer. So... I've had her home since just before Christmas, and she's been fine other than not eating a whole lot. Her stool is quiet soft, and I did find a few hard turds in two different sleeping places that she uses. Well now today, she had a ver messy stool on the wood floor in the hallway!! Really shocked me as she's been so good using the littler box. Is this a sign that she is getting sick, the not using the littler box? She has a prescription for Tylosin Tartrate, and she said to give this to her(powder form), when/if she gets sick??? She does seems to sleep most of the day, but I know cats do do that :) She also does purr quite loud!! Must be a good sign. She will play with a string too. So she's been very happy, but now I had to resort to putting her back in the basement with her food and litter. I might end up sleeping down there with her again, as I did when she first came in the house. She has had the run of the house now for weeks, but I just don't trust her since her accident. I've read where infected cats can live quite long, but yet others do not. I certainly would not want to put her thru all sorts of treatments... Thank you for your time:))) I appreciate any input for my Pumpkin! Tricia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home
Amen On Dec 12, 2012, at 8:54 AM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Thids kind is always the greatest lover once they learn to trust. When they look into your face they are the most beautiful cat ever becuse of thelove on both sides. Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Poor baby. I'm so glad he has such good care at the end of his life. I have one like that -he lived outside for 15 years. Then my neighbor moved into a nursing home just abandoned him. He wouldn't let anyone touch him. Feral as could be. Now he is inside loves to be held - he only has 2 teeth, FIV+, crumpled ears, many battle scars from living so long on the streets, but I think he is perfect. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com To: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home OK, it is official. Oz has had multiple trauma (traumas?) His hips, right leg and end of spine (tailbone? Forgot to ask) ave all received injury/damage, some multiple times. Vet says still hard to say his age with no teeth, but some of the scarring is thick and probably been around a long time. Oz is a Sr citizen and has joint problems. He will be on pain meds (as will the vet probably after this last exam!) And probably anti-inflammatory soon. Because of the FIV he still has some eye seepage but cough and sneezing are much less so he looks and acts a lot better tho still a loaner. Miss Kitty snuck out once so far and was more than a bit miffed when I caught her and brought her back in. Has no sense of humor that Miss Kitty. The story continues Kat dlg...@windstream.net wrote: RE: Oz and his rear end. I had a stray that never wanted his rear end touched. He died from urinary tract obstruction. The vet was upset that he could not find anything to cause it so he did an autopsy. He found adhesions all over inside his body, the kind that come from being kicked across a room, very hard. He was a beautiful champagne color Persian with the most loving personality. Maybe Oz has some adhesions ? Chris ti...@mindspring.com wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home
Carpet tape A couple of bricks...one on each short end On Dec 12, 2012, at 12:09 PM, Lee Evans wrote: A couple of comments: any cat with URI will have teary eyes and it may last for almost a month, unless treated with antibiotic ophthalmic drops or ointment. So it really doesn't have anything to do with the cat's FIV status. My cats have a very fastidious habit of perching on the edge of the litter box, like owls perching on tree branches. However, since most of my cats are of normal or porcine weight, over goes the litter box and I come in to a room I just cleaned and scrubbed to find pine pellets and dust everywhere, not to mention whatever the cat had put into the litter box in the first place. All over the floor. Aside from switching to clay litter and filling the box with 50 lbs. of the stuff, anyone have any idea about the tip-over problem? My last comment is this: anyone just happening onto this list and reading some of the posts would think that we are a bunch of lunatics having a bad hair day. Litter scattered all over, cats ordering us around, plastic and metal furniture, beds covered with plastic sheeting, disposable sofas? Until you have actually met a cat close up and personal, you don't understand. Then when you have, this all makes a lot of sense. Have a good holiday everyone. Put the Christmas Tree in the garage, away from the cats and use battery operated Hanukkah candles. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bedwetting Cat sofa advice?
Consider Bitter Apple for chewing issues and Feliway for anxiety issues. I have some metal outdoor chairs in my sunroom and they are very comfortable. I had different cushions fixed for looks but the frames are wonderful and they swivel which is extremely great in this room. Suggest some of the outdoor fabric conditioners/water proofing sprays--Thompson etc. for the cushions. Air out for a while so there is no fumes in the house though. On Dec 10, 2012, at 3:59 PM, catatonya wrote: Positively crazy! lol! From: Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bedwetting Cat sofa advice? Tonya, You have such positive outlook, god bless you! Sent from my iPad On Nov 14, 2012, at 16:32, catatonya catato...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks Lee, I have a 'special needs'... mentally and physically cat that pulls all things shiny out. I would have to use safety pins and pray she didn't kill herself trying to chew it. She chews electrical cords as well and shattered my laptop display She has the bobble head disorder. She also falls a lot..on hard tile floors Actually, a friend recommended I buy outdoor patio furniture with cushions made to be washed. Not a bad idea, I'm thinking. Not too comfy, but I live by myself. I could just keep all the cushions in the spare bedroom unless I have company. I kept all sofa cushions put away already, and they peed on the sofas anyway. No wicker, but they can't scratch metal. I'm considering it. Except for the heating aspect, my bed has at least 4 waterproof quilted layers on it. When someone wets the bed I can throw off the covers, peel off the top mattress pad, shower off, grab a blanket, and go back to sleep! I have conquered the bed and done away with carpet. I'm good except the sofas! Of course they'll just find another place if they want. They know they have the power! I saw a lots great ideas! My vet said to just face the fact that if you have elderly cats they will eventually have kidney problems true. tonya From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bedwetting Cat sofa advice? To prevent the bedding and sofa covers from being snatched off the furniture by the cat you can purchase sticky-back Velcro. Attach one side to the underside of the plastic sheeting or whatever you are using and place the matching strip on the sofa and press down to stick it to the sofa material. It doesn't have to be perfect but it will prevent the plastic from drifting away off the sofa. You can also use things like metal clips purchased at an office supply store to clip the plastic to the sofa. Use enough of them. You can also purchase screw pins that are used to pin sofa covers to old furniture. Doesn't do any damage. The small hole it makes closes up when the pin is removed. Have you thought about buying a fitted sofa and love seat cover? You can have the back plasticized with a heat process. You have to look this up in the phone book though, under plasticizing or phone an upholstery company and see if they can do that. As a last resort, put your sofa and love seat and TV in a separate room that can be closed off and put plastic lawn furniture in you living room and turn the living room over to the misbehaving cat. I'm going to buy some of that cat attract litter. Can it be mixed with pine litter or clay litter? I can't afford anything very expensive. I usually get donated litter here. I have so many cats who think outside of the box that I no longer use a pooper scooper. I use a small yard shovel. Sigh. The President of one of our rescue organizations is going to build an outside shelter attached to a shed on her property for 15 cats who will never learn litter box protocol. They were rescued after their former owner passed away. They are older cats with set habits and some health issues, not adoptable. It seems like the cat rescue movement is filled with saints and angels, the best of the human species. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Litter box with lid
Try a large Rubbermaid tote . If jumping in is an issue, cut a hole or u-opening on a short side. I like the 18 gallon or larger totes. Very easy to clean and the litter stays put. On Dec 9, 2012, at 8:03 PM, Maryam Ulomi wrote: Hello everyone, One of my cats, Kitty, who is FeLV positive, is rather messy when she uses the litter box and I was wondering if getting her a litter box with a large top/lid is a good idea Any thoughts? Thanks as always, Sent from my iPhone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Suggestion for Cat (or foot) Warmers
Snuggle Safes work great too. On Dec 2, 2012, at 4:12 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Taking off on your idea for cat beds: My mom used to make little “rice bags.” They are about 12”x10” but I think you could make other sizes. Create a bag, fill it with rice, leave room so it is “squishy” rather than firm, sew up the corner. You can put a cover on or not. Then, on a cold night, microwave the bag (3-4 mins depending upon your microwave oven) and you have a thing that stays nice and warm for hours. We use them for our feet on a cold night. My aunt used to put them out for her feral yard cat, in a box, to keep the kitty warm. She said the cat used to wait for them by the door on a cold night. Bonnie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 1:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat proof furniture It's my way of avoiding my insect phobia. I turn them into people and imagine what they would think in any given situation. On another note: Jo-Ann Stores is having a 50% off sale on fleece and flannel. Do you know anyone who can sew? I'm two left hands and 10 thumbs but someone who can sew could probably make some nice cat snuggle beds and pillow covers for cats or kids or whatever. You can get their discount coupon emails at jo-ann@email.joann.comand they will add you to their email list. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat proof furniture Never having seen a scorpion laughing, I am kindof sorry I missed that. Kat P.S. I am right on the cusp of libra and scorpio. October 23. I still would have squished the sucker. He attacked first! On 12/2/12, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Brown scorpions are the nasty type. I was zapped by a regular generic type scorpion. I'm idiotically superstitious. I was born at the end of October. Scorpio. I wouldn't harm a scorpion for anything. Really bad luck. So I walked away from the encounter yowling and the scorpion walked away laughing. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bedwetting Cat sofa advice?
Bitter Apple seems to work on chewing issues. On Nov 14, 2012, at 5:04 PM, Lee Evans wrote: You could buy small area rugs to put near places where she jumps up and falls down so the tiles won't hurt her old bones. Most of the smaller rugs are washable. You can get some inexpensive ones at Goodwill or Salvation Army Thrift store. You can also buy plastic pillow protectors which might fit patio chair cushions. Sheesh! I had a rescue cat who used to chew electric cords. I finally had to give her away to a woman who had an outside area that was safe for outside cats because I was afraid that the little idiot cat would eventually electrocute herself or short out all the house wiring. It's amazing what we put up with just because we have a soft heart (and probably are soft in the head too) for cats. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: catatonya catato...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bedwetting Cat sofa advice? Thanks Lee, I have a 'special needs'... mentally and physically cat that pulls all things shiny out. I would have to use safety pins and pray she didn't kill herself trying to chew it. She chews electrical cords as well and shattered my laptop display She has the bobble head disorder. She also falls a lot..on hard tile floors Actually, a friend recommended I buy outdoor patio furniture with cushions made to be washed. Not a bad idea, I'm thinking. Not too comfy, but I live by myself. I could just keep all the cushions in the spare bedroom unless I have company. I kept all sofa cushions put away already, and they peed on the sofas anyway. No wicker, but they can't scratch metal. I'm considering it. Except for the heating aspect, my bed has at least 4 waterproof quilted layers on it. When someone wets the bed I can throw off the covers, peel off the top mattress pad, shower off, grab a blanket, and go back to sleep! I have conquered the bed and done away with carpet. I'm good except the sofas! Of course they'll just find another place if they want. They know they have the power! I saw a lots great ideas! My vet said to just face the fact that if you have elderly cats they will eventually have kidney problems true. tonya From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bedwetting Cat sofa advice? To prevent the bedding and sofa covers from being snatched off the furniture by the cat you can purchase sticky-back Velcro. Attach one side to the underside of the plastic sheeting or whatever you are using and place the matching strip on the sofa and press down to stick it to the sofa material. It doesn't have to be perfect but it will prevent the plastic from drifting away off the sofa. You can also use things like metal clips purchased at an office supply store to clip the plastic to the sofa. Use enough of them. You can also purchase screw pins that are used to pin sofa covers to old furniture. Doesn't do any damage. The small hole it makes closes up when the pin is removed. Have you thought about buying a fitted sofa and love seat cover? You can have the back plasticized with a heat process. You have to look this up in the phone book though, under plasticizing or phone an upholstery company and see if they can do that. As a last resort, put your sofa and love seat and TV in a separate room that can be closed off and put plastic lawn furniture in you living room and turn the living room over to the misbehaving cat. I'm going to buy some of that cat attract litter. Can it be mixed with pine litter or clay litter? I can't afford anything very expensive. I usually get donated litter here. I have so many cats who think outside of the box that I no longer use a pooper scooper. I use a small yard shovel. Sigh. The President of one of our rescue organizations is going to build an outside shelter attached to a shed on her property for 15 cats who will never learn litter box protocol. They were rescued after their former owner passed away. They are older cats with set habits and some health issues, not adoptable. It seems like the cat rescue movement is filled with saints and angels, the best of the human species. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting cat wet the bed
There are lots of good waterproof mattress pads. None of mine have an issue but I use them anywaythey aren't the plastic crinkledy type and are very comfortable. Odo Ban is my favorite. On Nov 5, 2012, at 9:35 AM, Martha Walton wrote: The kittens were recently wormed for round worms. The owner is taking them to the vet today at 10:30. The kittens had thrown up more diarrhea overnight. I have another problem that I need help with. One of my cats peed on the bed yesterday, urine down to the matress. I need some odor spray recommendations. Also, does anybody recommend some kind of waterproof mattress pad cover? On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Were they dewormed? Shots are one thing but deworming is important even if the test for worms is negative. Most kittens from street moms or who have been abandoned have worms. Deworming is done prophylactically by most rescue organizations. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2012 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion It didn't work on the virus per say, but the fast growing bacteria in their gut. I'm wondering if it could be a water change that is making them sick? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 4, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com wrote: Wonder how it worked on the virus, or does it work on viruses, too? Last I talked to the vets that treated my kittens (most died), they wouldn't use ``controversial'' Tamiflu. My friend's vet saved her litter that way. On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Diarrhea control gel by van beek clears it right up if its bacterial. I had a lot of cats years ago that had been dumped on me and I could not catch them to vaccinate. Pretty soon they all started dying, and it was panleuk. I had a bottle of excenel that I had used on my Pygmy goat for mastitis. It wasn't labeled for cats at that time but I knew it killed fast growing bacteria, like toxic shock. Didn't think I had anything to lose so I started hitting everyone up with it and it saved their lives! Fortunately the next year in the Plumb Veterinary drug Handbook it was labeled for cats. 1 mg per lb. 50 mg per ML just in case you ever need it(-: Sent from my iPhone On Nov 4, 2012, at 4:19 PM, Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Kathryn Christiane. Both kittens just had diarrhea, no blood in the stool no blood in the vomit. She is feeding them wet food, Friskies/wet and Meow Mix/wet. I have tried to get the kittens to eat Before Grain wet food, but they will not eat it. The kittens will lap up a little water, but nothing excessive. Problem is, they walk away and vomit up the water. Kittens were eating good Wednesday, Thursday Friday. I gave them some dry food on Thursday or Friday night, Natures Variety Instinct. Maybe their tummies just didn't like the new food. I am very worried, the kittens go back to their home tomorrow AM. The kittens have had the first round of shots testing. I have called their human parents twice and left two messages. On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: Are they eating the food they usually eat or did they have a change of food when they came to your house? From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Martha Walton Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 3:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion I am kitten-sitting two kittens this weekend for a friend. The kittens ate well for the first two days, but yesterday they turned their nose up at food. Today neither kitten is eating and they are both throwing up water. Yesterday one of the kittens had diarrhea. Neither has done #2 today. Both kittens are playful, drinking water and alert, but I am very worried about them not eating. I have called their owner and left a message about the vomiting. The owner says that both kittens have been tested for all diseases. I have not let the kittens have contact with my 5 house-cats. Today one of my cats had some diarrhea, so I am hoping that the kittens are not getting my cats sick.. Any suggestions? The kittens go back to their house tomorrow at 10:00am. I am using Tidy Cats Pure Nature for their cat litter. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Waterproof sheeting
I got a water proof mattress pad from WalMart. On Nov 5, 2012, at 2:42 PM, Lee Evans wrote: I think they have them online. I deleted all the ads from JoAnn stores because I don't sew but didn't realize they sell rubberized sheeting. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Waterproof sheeting So where can you get the 1/2 off coupons??? k On 11/5/12, pandie...@aol.com pandie...@aol.com wrote: From: pandie...@aol.com To: marthawal...@gmail.com Sent: 11/5/2012 1:10:55 P.M. Central Standard Time Subj: Re: Waterproof sheeting Rubber Sheeting White # 1491315 (I don't know how to do link to you but using your link this is the #) reg. 14.99. it is half off or more when you use one of their coupons. Years ago, it came in a lot of different prints. i have only found white in the past couple of years. unfortunately, I don't think it caught on or people just don't know about it . I had a baby store and discovered. Became one of my best sellers. People loved to line their cribs with it - is 100% cotton. I also used on my mattress when I was carrying for my dying brother and elderly parents. I would cut to size I needed (just snip and tear). I guarantee 100%. comes out like new after washing and putting in dryer. A stress reliever for sure for those of us in rescue. In a message dated 11/5/2012 12:52:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, marthawal...@gmail.com writes: Hello- I saw your posting about the waterproof sheeting sold at Joanns. I think I know what you are talking about, but I was wondering if you could find it on their website for me and send me back the name or link. _http://www.joann.com/search/_waterproof/?psize=48_ (http://www.joann.com/search/_waterproof/?psize=48) It is a great solution, I could even make some slipcovers from the material. Thanks so much, the experience of others makes having cats much, much easier. Martha ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bedwetting cat solution
I put a break away collar on Mi Tu. She got her paw hung in it. It did not break away and, had I not been close by, she would have strangled herself fighting to free herself. I don't put collars on cats any more. On Nov 5, 2012, at 8:36 PM, Marcia wrote: The Sentry calming collars work very well. That have the same pheromones as the feliway. But they wear them(-: Sent from my iPhone On Nov 5, 2012, at 2:46 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Re: Harley I have a Felway diffuser going 24hrs a day and even bought a cd of music that is supposed to CALM animals. It is great for putting me to sleep at night, but has no effect on Harley. Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com wrote: Went to the store that the mattress came from. They sold me a waterproof cover for $40. I got one for both of the beds in the house. The man says it works great for pet problems. I put the cover under the mattress pad. I hope it works. I put vinegar/water on the soiled spot and it dried quickly with the ceiling fan on high. We have a recently adopted cat and there are some battles going on in the house. I might try the feliway diffuser. Oh, also I wanted to add that my couch is covered with carpet protector that is held onto the couch with upholstery Twist Pins. On top of that are two slipcovers. That's how I have my couch protected. It's pretty comfy. Who was that on this board who said to let the cats have the house and the humans can live in the closets? ha ha ha On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: For the summer, you can get either the disposable large size pads or the adult mattress pads that are sold at medical supply shops for adults with bladder incontinence. Hey, I'm the queen of waterproofing. With all the cats I have had, there has always been a bed wetting problem with at least one or two of them. Instead of screaming and tearing my hair out and dumping the cat out the door, I used some of my elderly mom's disposable mattress pads for a while. She actually wasn't incontinent but she couldn't walk so needed a bed pan, so just in case...I would use the mattress pads. Then I purchased several of the washable types when one of my very old cats began thinking the bed was her litter box. You can also purchase a zippered waterproof mattress cover, then put a regular quilted mattress topper over it and just toss the topper into the washing machine if someone makes a mistake, sponge the waterproof cover with rubbing alcohol. It's a good deodorizer after it evaporates. But in the summer, if you don't want to feel you are being shrink wrapped, you can use the top removable types and either toss into the wash or toss into the garbage if they are disposable. The washable are more economical. You can even make up the bed in the morning and then put a fitted waterproof mattress topper over the whole thing to keep everything good while you are gone. If an accident happens, you just whisk the cover off and you are ready for sleeping in the bed. For the nasty drip into the mattress I would recommend an enzyme type odor eliminator. I used to use Petzyme, which you can purchase at PetsMart. It doesn't have any added scent as a cover up. Sometimes I think I prefer the odor of cat pee to those awful perfumes they dump into deodorizers. When you use the enzyme type deodorizer, you have to make sure the spot stays wet for at least 24 hours. If it dries out, by-by little beneficial bacteria and the enzyme doesn't work. You can Google cat urine neutralizer or deodorizer and see what you come up with. There are many brands and many prices. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home
straw/pine needles etc are better than towels that will get wet and freeze when he comes in after a rain/snow. On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Edna Taylor wrote: Better a shelter than left to freeze and/or starve to death :( Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:04:23 -0700 From: westnint...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Until he finds a home a box,and towels will help keep him warm. Get him to the Bronx N Y and I'll take him From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Hi guys Are any of you in Ohio or know anyone in Ohio that would take an abandoned cat? My brother is at s campsite and a woman there took in a cat , made it into a housecat and the left it there. She packed up and left for the winter. He said its curled up on the porch on a towel in 20 degree wind chill. I am pissed but I know that isn't helping this poor cat. Everyone will be gone from that campground for the season. My brother is leaving tomorrow. His dog would eat the cat so he can't take it. Shelters r full. Anyone have any ideas?? Thanks Marcia Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home
I don't agree at all. Cats are very oriented toward survival. I have a feral colony and have had numerous ferals as companions. Cats revert to ferals quickly. No life won't be easy but this is a last minute call for help and killing a cat just doesn't work for me. No, I do not advocate dumping cats but this one is already on his own. A Rubbermaid tote outfitted with proper bedding and a hole near the top of one long end will help a lot. On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:43 PM, Edna Taylor wrote: better to go to sleep than to suffer a long, cruel, agonizing death. There ARE worse things than death :( Is there a vet in the area he could take the cat to. Even if put down, that is more humane than to leave him to the elements. From: marciabmar...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:41:07 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home He's telling me that the shelters are all full. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:38 PM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: But if NO ONE is going to be there to feed him, that is cruel to just leave him :( Again, better off in a shelter or vet's office than left to die :( From: cougarcl...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:20:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home straw/pine needles etc are better than towels that will get wet and freeze when he comes in after a rain/snow. On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Edna Taylor wrote: Better a shelter than left to freeze and/or starve to death :( Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:04:23 -0700 From: westnint...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Until he finds a home a box,and towels will help keep him warm. Get him to the Bronx N Y and I'll take him From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Hi guys Are any of you in Ohio or know anyone in Ohio that would take an abandoned cat? My brother is at s campsite and a woman there took in a cat , made it into a housecat and the left it there. She packed up and left for the winter. He said its curled up on the porch on a towel in 20 degree wind chill. I am pissed but I know that isn't helping this poor cat. Everyone will be gone from that campground for the season. My brother is leaving tomorrow. His dog would eat the cat so he can't take it. Shelters r full. Anyone have any ideas?? Thanks Marcia Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I found something that works great on the FA and FL,
How do you make CS? On Oct 19, 2012, at 11:48 PM, Toni Probst wrote: I found something that works grat however I doubt seriouly you would even put the word out that it did work, but it was simple, it is called colloidal silver, and I also give them Limu now also to keep them healthy. It cured bother of my cats with FL and FA, and it has kept the others from getting it, no vet bills, no daily scripts to give them, They are healthy, do not test for it at all now, after 6 months. And I make the cs myself and dont have to buy it. It is so simple, Gods way of healing. The best way. Now I will hvae my cats living a long healthy life and I also , feed them holisticly only, I filter clean the water, and just all around best health. The vet was shocked and is even sharing it. -- For God hath not given me the spirit of fear, but of power, and of love, and a sound mind ! (11 Tim 1;7) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Breathing issues
My boys chirp when they see birds close up. On Oct 16, 2012, at 7:25 AM, Maryam Ulomi wrote: Thanks, I do try to keep her happy and healthy. I really hope the breathing issues are not some upper respiratory issues Sent from my iPhone. On Oct 16, 2012, at 8:19, Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com wrote: I don't think so. I'm not an expert, but in my experience, these chirping sounds mean that kitty is inquisitive and happy. My 2 cents. =^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire =^..^= - Original Message - From: Maryam Ulomi To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 7:54 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Breathing issues Hello, Kitty, the kitten I rescued from a feral mother 6 weeks ago, is making some chirping like sounds now. She also does some meowing and those chirping sounds when she jumps around or plays. Is that anything to be concerned about? Yesterday she did this not panting thing once and then again this am; I have an appointment to see the vet . But does anyone about such behavior? Sent from my iPhone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
I might give them rabies simply because of law enforcement issues but you should be able to get a waiver for that. I don't vaccinate sick/ immune compromised animals. On Oct 6, 2012, at 5:52 AM, Lorrie wrote: What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie On 10-05, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: There seem to be a lot of questions about the flea meds. I am having enough problems in deciding to vaccinate or not. I have a couple who never go outside so are not exposed to critters that might infect them and 1 is 14 years old. I am afraid that vaccinating her at that age might do more harm than good. The others only go out for an hour or 2 and most of the time they are on the deck laying in the sun. Rabies is required here, but not the others. I do give the negative cats the FELV vaccine since I have 2 positives. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] DNR order - OT
Sure is and one that can be exercised without the assistance of another person. On Sep 26, 2012, at 5:25 AM, Lorrie wrote: On 09-25, MaiMaiPG wrote: With those beliefs, please check into a Do Not Resuscitate Order. LWs are great but stopping something once it is started is difficult. A DNR can help keep measures from being started. Thanks, I'll do that. I didn't realize a DNR order was a separate thing from a LW with a medical POA. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough
With those beliefs, please check into a Do Not Resuscitate Order. LWs are great but stopping something once it is started is difficult. A DNR can help keep measures from being started. On Sep 25, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Lorrie wrote: Absolutely Edna. It is positively cruel to keep people alive when they are suffering and there is no recovery in sight. The only states that allow doctor assisted suicide are Oregon, Wash. and Montana. It can't happen in my state of WV. Dr. Kevorkian was my hero. I'll be 80 my next birthday and it terrifies me to think of not being able to end my life when I'm ready. I've signed a Living Will requesting NO heroic measures, if I'm terminal, but sometimes they keep you alive anyway. Lorrie alive-25, Edna Taylor wrote: personally, I think we should do this for people too, end their suffering. What quality of life does someone have who simply lays in bed in a vegetative state? Who are we keeping that person alive for? to what end? If it were me, and I had some life ending disease or accident, I would want my husband to use what money we had, go out and get as much booze and coke as he could get and let me go out with a bang ;) But then again, that is just my opinion ;) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 2 Darling Devils..
Try Facebook. On Sep 18, 2012, at 11:41 AM, Linda Demiri wrote: Hello Everyone, I am writing to you all in hopes that I may reach a broader group of wonderful people. Over 6 months ago I rescued 2 kittens that are both negative for fiv/felv but had the calisi virus and were scheduled for euthanasia. They were from different litters and grouped together. I went in an scooped them up and spent close to 1000 dollars on treatment medication vaccinations neuter microchip etc. They are now healthy and ready for a new home...problem is they are about 6.6 months old and I have had zero interest in them. I am willing to do out of state adoptions, but I will not make any exceptions on a vet reference and a home visit...which is what I am requesting. These guys are awesome and I would love for them to be adopted together because they have bonded so well, however I will not deny either one of them a good home because of this. I am in it for the long haul...I just really need help advocating their adoption because apparently there is some stigma attached to them due to the calisi they had as babesany and all positive and constructive advise is super duper appreciatedthank you all...and God Bless! Linda Demiri ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/reply
On that note, talk to some of the small groceries and or meat shops. I get a lot of quick sale meat...still very good...for my guys. I got a pound and a half + of sirloin tip for $2 today. That will make 8 meals for the two inside cats + 4 meals for the dog. I add green beans and other things to the dog's diet but not so much the cats and vary their food frequently. I just had geriatric blood work done on all three even though they aren't that old and the results were wonderful. And they all have very clean teeth. This beats even cheap canned food and I know what they are eating. On Aug 29, 2012, at 8:10 AM, Kathryn Hargreaves wrote: The cheapest yet healthiest food I've found is raw that I mix up myself, using balanced recipes online (I can send you links and my own recipe, if you like). I buy at Whole Foods, so I'm paying about twice what you could otherwise---and I'm still only paying about half the amount of the best commercial canned food out there (currently Merrick Before Grain, even though Merrick has had some complaints about their dog food). That's about 70 cents/day/cat, and you could probably be doing it for 35 cents/day/cat. You'll also save on vet bills for diabetes, etc., and they won't be as susceptible to urinary problems, which can kill a male in hours before you even notice it. A local pet store gives me outdated raw and canned food. (I refuse the dry food, as it's so bad for cats.) If you let them know you're feeding ferals, one of yours may do the same. On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 4:58 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Talk to local rescues. Our rescue strictly uses Science Diet, so when people donate other kinds of food, they give it to volunteers or feral feeders. Sometimes it's really high quality food, sometimes not. We also have something called Daffy's Pet Soup Kitchen which provides food to people who cannot afford it. There are 2 organizations like that in our area. The best thing to do would be to get friendly with a shelter that can provide you with info on resources. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/reply Hi Beth - how do I find out about places that donate food? Or how do I get it at cost? I work alone and don't belong to an organization. thanks, Dot From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? Are there any places which donate food in your area? We have several in Atlanta. Also rescues can sometimes get food to feral feeders at cost. You could also set up a Chip-in for people to donate $ for food. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? Hi I was reading your mail. What did you mean about that is the price of free food? Do you receive food free for feeding the cats? I do not TNR. I don't belong to any program. Just my lone self feeding the 7 cats. (they are all neutered except 2 by someone else) I have spent so much money on them each week. Money I don't have. It is getting to be a bad situation for me. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos ___ Felvtalk mailing list
Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight
Wonder about checking with local vets re people who do the same thing? On Aug 28, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Beth wrote: Do you have any local animal rescue web talk boards? I helped a lady out who posted about needing a feeder for her feral colony over Christmas. Also check with local rescues. Most of them all ready have colonies they feed or have volunteers who feed colonies. They can sub I've had my outside ferals for years. If I moved I would have to trap re-locate them. I'm not leaving them. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight Hi. I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went thru - I didn't see any replies. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat feeding. I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now. I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks and will have a very difficult postop recovery. I have no-one else to feed the cats. I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously the newspaper to expose their plight. Perhaps some can be adopted, if a facility would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the newspaper. I also could try to help in the adoption process. ALSO, my other question is, how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats? I am thinking this cannot go on forever. Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I can't find adoptions? Any input on this, would be great. Thanks ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?
The cats get free food, shelter and the best care we can provide cats that have to be trapped to be vetted. I can provide worming and some other things without touching them but they are cautiousas they should be. It has kept them alive for a long time and allowed them to have a good life ... not the life I would like for them but the life they are born to. If they are going to eat and enjoy the protection we can give them, they make the trip to the vet. Some have managed to avoid trapping for really long times but I do insist and, eventually, they make that trip. We don't have a lot of money either so I do understand. Right now there are 6 ferals plus those who wander by and go on. We don't belong to a program either. We just believe this is something we need to do. Otherwise there would be zillions of cats/kittens here and finding homes is almost impossible. I have always had house cats who were feral at one time and consider them the smartest of cats but they are all very independent...even those that came in when they were very little kittens. Unfortunately, most people want cats who are lap cats or less independent or whatever and don't want to spend the time necessary with ferals. On Aug 28, 2012, at 3:21 PM, dot winkler wrote: Hi I was reading your mail. What did you mean about that is the price of free food? Do you receive food free for feeding the cats? I do not TNR. I don't belong to any program. Just my lone self feeding the 7 cats. (they are all neutered except 2 by someone else) I have spent so much money on them each week. Money I don't have. It is getting to be a bad situation for me. From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight Dozens of years re feeding. We trap, s/n and release. That is the price of free food. I would not feel right about abandoning my wild friends. When I moved to care for my mother, I got neighbors to take care of the one feral at that house. I visited when I could and furnished the food. We have fed ferals at Mom's for as long as I can remember. And calling a shelter will probably result in the death of most of the cats you have been caring for. On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:02 PM, dot winkler wrote: Hi. I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went thru - I didn't see any replies. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat feeding. I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now. I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks and will have a very difficult postop recovery. I have no- one else to feed the cats. I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously the newspaper to expose their plight. Perhaps some can be adopted, if a facility would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the newspaper. I also could try to help in the adoption process. ALSO, my other question is, how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats? I am thinking this cannot go on forever. Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I can't find adoptions? Any input on this, would be great. Thanks From: Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Ascites? I wouldn't know..besides of FIP it could be heart trouble and other conditions. Sorry I can't reasure you. The vet can draw fluid and analyze it for protein content, high protein is FIP. Last year and earlier this year we lost two kittens to FIP almost a month apart. When they extracted fluid from the first one it was clear but the analysis confirmed the high protein content. So dx was FIP, later on vet found a large mass growing so concluded that he had pancreatic cancer thus the fluid_at that point was greenish_his sister also got a FIP dx, high prt fluid but more typical; yellow viscous fluid, no cancer. I'm wishing all the best to you and your kitten http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: Forgotten Felines toledoc...@gmail.com To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV Ascites? My FeLV+ kitten developed ascites and I'm worried the vet is going to tell me it's FIP. Does anyone know if ascites is ever related to FeLV? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?
Or expired food. It is still good. On Aug 28, 2012, at 6:31 PM, GRAS wrote: You can always go to a large pet supply store and ask if they have any torn/damaged bags of dry food – most will gladly donate them. That’s right, chip in is a GRRREAT idea, Beth! Go to www.chipin.com – you’d be surprised what people collect money for, a party, a present for someone, and serious stuff! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:58 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? Are there any places which donate food in your area? We have several in Atlanta. Also rescues can sometimes get food to feral feeders at cost. You could also set up a Chip-in for people to donate $ for food. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!~WRD000.jpg www.Furkids.org From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? Hi I was reading your mail. What did you mean about that is the price of free food? Do you receive food free for feeding the cats? I do not TNR. I don't belong to any program. Just my lone self feeding the 7 cats. (they are all neutered except 2 by someone else) I have spent so much money on them each week. Money I don't have. It is getting to be a bad situation for me. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight
Dozens of years re feeding. We trap, s/n and release. That is the price of free food. I would not feel right about abandoning my wild friends. When I moved to care for my mother, I got neighbors to take care of the one feral at that house. I visited when I could and furnished the food. We have fed ferals at Mom's for as long as I can remember. And calling a shelter will probably result in the death of most of the cats you have been caring for. On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:02 PM, dot winkler wrote: Hi. I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went thru - I didn't see any replies. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat feeding. I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now. I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks and will have a very difficult postop recovery. I have no-one else to feed the cats. I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously the newspaper to expose their plight. Perhaps some can be adopted, if a facility would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the newspaper. I also could try to help in the adoption process. ALSO, my other question is, how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats? I am thinking this cannot go on forever. Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I can't find adoptions? Any input on this, would be great. Thanks From: Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Ascites? I wouldn't know..besides of FIP it could be heart trouble and other conditions. Sorry I can't reasure you. The vet can draw fluid and analyze it for protein content, high protein is FIP. Last year and earlier this year we lost two kittens to FIP almost a month apart. When they extracted fluid from the first one it was clear but the analysis confirmed the high protein content. So dx was FIP, later on vet found a large mass growing so concluded that he had pancreatic cancer thus the fluid_at that point was greenish_his sister also got a FIP dx, high prt fluid but more typical; yellow viscous fluid, no cancer. I'm wishing all the best to you and your kitten http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: Forgotten Felines toledoc...@gmail.com To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV Ascites? My FeLV+ kitten developed ascites and I'm worried the vet is going to tell me it's FIP. Does anyone know if ascites is ever related to FeLV? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Louisville, KY 12-14 wk. old kitten tested positive
Please check with the vets at Middletown Animal Clinic; Dr. Betty Bosewell (Nova) and Dr. Susan Maier in Simpsonville. They were all totally wonderful with my Dixie and may well have ideas. Remind Dr. Maier of Monkee and Carolyn. This may give you more options. On Aug 26, 2012, at 4:18 PM, Susan Saunders wrote: This male kitten, whose mother was part of a feral colony, was trapped, neutered and tested positive for feline leukemia. He is a little underweight but otherwise appears healthy. Understand he needs to be tested again. Current caretaker is keeping him inside her apartment but can't keep him due to restrictions in her apartment complex. Any help or suggestions are greatly appreciated. Susan Saunders ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens
Does it make a difference to how you love him? On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:59 PM, McKenna's wrote: We have a bot, belonged to the ahole neighbors who did not take care of him. We have known him since he was about 4-5 months old. Very long story short, we have him. Took him to the vet to get a check up, shots and neutered with the intention of making him a part of our family, along with 3 other cats. Found out he was Feluk+. After balling and researching this crap disease, we decided we loved him too much to let him go anywhere but here. He was approximately 1 year and 8 months old when he tested positive on 11/29/11. He is now almost 2 and a half. I was wondering if anyone could tell me if it would be beneficial to have him re-tested. Is there any chance he may have grown out of it since he was younger when he got it? He eats well and plays well. Sometimes, his stool contains a small amount of blood in it. We have had him tested for everything in an effort to find out why this is. The vet stated she does not believe the blood has anything to do with his FeLuk. He is currently on ID. So, does anyone think getting him tested again is a good idea? Melissa L. McKenna -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 7:46 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens Glad you left that vet. even if the cat were still positive, at that age she culd live a long and healthy life. Annie was 4 when she tested positive. She is now 8 going on 9 and the healiest, happiest cat I ever saw. Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com wrote: I recused a cat who was approx. 3 years old. She tested positive the first time for FELV but three months later she tested negative on the ELISA and the IFA. The first time she tested positive the vet hinted that I should euthanize her! I am so glad I did not listen to him. BTW, he is no longer my vet. Jannes From: Liz Lee Morris liz...@sccoast.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens Hi, I have a kitten who tested Felv positive at 5 weeks old on both the IFA and Elisa test. Both were done on the same day. He is so precious to me and I am so sad. The vet basically said he has no chance. I have been giving him lysine daily and lots of love. He is now 3 months old and is happy and appears healthy. Is it possible that he might be negative now? From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens Hang in there Lorrie. Sometimes they turn. Did you ever find the mom cat? If so, have her tested too. If she's young, she may turn negative in 90 days also. The ones a year or younger sometimes do. Even older cats can fight it off. I have a cat who was positive when rescued. He was about 2-3 years old, male. Had him for about 90 days in a separate room, retested with IFA test and again with the ELISA test and he was negative with both tests. I still have Moses. It has been 6 years now. Percy, a recent rescue tested positive for FIV and FeLv. Kept him in a room for 90 days also, retested. He's FIV+ but negative for FeLv so I moved him to my little FIV+ area. He's doing fine. Unfortunately, Smooch and Taco were also adult FeLv+ cats, stayed positive after 90 days. They roomed together, separate from my other cats for 2 years, died within a month of each other. Sad but at least they had those 2 years. Two years to a cat is like 5 years to us. Hugs to you and the kittens. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From:Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 7:38 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens I rescued a litter of four kittens two months ago. Had them tested yesterday for FelV and all 4 are positive! I am heartsick. However, I have a FelV section in my cageless shelter building where they will be able to stay until they are tested again in 90 days. They appear so healthy and playful right now, and I can't bear to put them to sleep. Still I know some of them may not make it SO SAD. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens
I guess I am asking if the retesting will effect anything you do for him. If it is a matter of letting him with the others then test. I deal with a lot of ferals and don't test because it doesn't effect what I do with them. They are spayed or neutered and released to the same area they and all the rest have been in. It is a personal judgment call. On Aug 21, 2012, at 8:51 PM, McKenna's wrote: I'm not sure I understand your question. We want to be able to put him with our other 3 cats if possible. -Original Message- From: MaiMaiPG Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens Does it make a difference to how you love him? On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:59 PM, McKenna's wrote: We have a bot, belonged to the ahole neighbors who did not take care of him. We have known him since he was about 4-5 months old. Very long story short, we have him. Took him to the vet to get a check up, shots and neutered with the intention of making him a part of our family, along with 3 other cats. Found out he was Feluk +. After balling and researching this crap disease, we decided we loved him too much to let him go anywhere but here. He was approximately 1 year and 8 months old when he tested positive on 11/29/11. He is now almost 2 and a half. I was wondering if anyone could tell me if it would be beneficial to have him re-tested. Is there any chance he may have grown out of it since he was younger when he got it? He eats well and plays well. Sometimes, his stool contains a small amount of blood in it. We have had him tested for everything in an effort to find out why this is. The vet stated she does not believe the blood has anything to do with his FeLuk. He is currently on ID. So, does anyone think getting him tested again is a good idea? Melissa L. McKenna -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 7:46 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens Glad you left that vet. even if the cat were still positive, at that age she culd live a long and healthy life. Annie was 4 when she tested positive. She is now 8 going on 9 and the healiest, happiest cat I ever saw. Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com wrote: I recused a cat who was approx. 3 years old. She tested positive the first time for FELV but three months later she tested negative on the ELISA and the IFA. The first time she tested positive the vet hinted that I should euthanize her! I am so glad I did not listen to him. BTW, he is no longer my vet. Jannes From: Liz Lee Morris liz...@sccoast.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens Hi, I have a kitten who tested Felv positive at 5 weeks old on both the IFA and Elisa test. Both were done on the same day. He is so precious to me and I am so sad. The vet basically said he has no chance. I have been giving him lysine daily and lots of love. He is now 3 months old and is happy and appears healthy. Is it possible that he might be negative now? From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens Hang in there Lorrie. Sometimes they turn. Did you ever find the mom cat? If so, have her tested too. If she's young, she may turn negative in 90 days also. The ones a year or younger sometimes do. Even older cats can fight it off. I have a cat who was positive when rescued. He was about 2-3 years old, male. Had him for about 90 days in a separate room, retested with IFA test and again with the ELISA test and he was negative with both tests. I still have Moses. It has been 6 years now. Percy, a recent rescue tested positive for FIV and FeLv. Kept him in a room for 90 days also, retested. He's FIV+ but negative for FeLv so I moved him to my little FIV+ area. He's doing fine. Unfortunately, Smooch and Taco were also adult FeLv+ cats, stayed positive after 90 days. They roomed together, separate from my other cats for 2 years, died within a month of each other. Sad but at least they had those 2 years. Two years to a cat is like 5 years to us. Hugs to you and the kittens. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From:Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 7:38 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens I rescued a litter of four kittens two months ago. Had them tested yesterday for FelV and all 4 are positive! I am heartsick. However, I have a FelV section in my cageless
Re: [Felvtalk] Section 1983
People find entertainment in so many awful things. You might find it interesting to Google whether animals have souls or not. There is quite a bit of information that indicates a lot of religions believe that they do...people have just found it convenient to ignore those teachings. On Jun 30, 2012, at 5:28 PM, Lee Evans wrote: After years in rescue, I'm so cynical that I truly believe if you did all the killing of cats and dogs on a large stage in a see- through dome, some people would view it as entertainment while the majority would hurry by, averting their eyes and telling themselves that it's just a movie, it doesn't really exist, it's not so bad, it's only animals and they don't have a soul anyway, according to most religions, or some other myth. They would acclimate to the situation and soon it would be like everything else in our lovely Society. People passing by the homeless and maybe throwing a couple of coins in a hat, people ignoring automobile alarms, people closing their windows when their neighbors are fighting to the point of violence, people voting against clean air, clean water, natural food because they are so afraid of Big Industry raising the prices of candy bars, LuLuPop cereal, iPads and iPhones. People sticking their heads in the sand and mumbling Just Say No when the idea of birth control for teenagers comes up and people wanting that cute designer kitten to match the living room sofa or that pure bred dog they think they can breed to make a fortune off the puppies by selling them at the side of the highway. This is so depressing I would advise you take a Prozac after reading it. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Section 1983 Whenever people say that, I tell them what it really is: The miracle of death! First of all, the cat will most likely have the kittens at night, when they're away, in schooland when they say that they get good homes for the kittens, how can they honestly reinforce the absolute need for spaying/neutering to the adopters when the example they set was the exact opposite? And for every kitten that is allowed to be born and a home found, a rescue kitten will die because homes are so scarce. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Section 1983 Oh how very true. I wish the people who don't neuter and spay could all see this!!! I get so sick of people who let their cats have kittens so they can witness the miracle of life! How I wish their kids could watch all those precious cats and kittens being killed!! Lorrie On 06-29, Natalie wrote: Exposing the killing horrors to the public is the best way to call attention to it; as the saying goes, if shelters had to kill animals in glass houses in town squares, they would stop doing it - if it's out of sight, out of mind, and easily swept under the rug., it will continue! People must become aware of it, mandatory spay/neuter laws must be passed, and legislators must stop taking money and be continually influenced by lobbyists who want nothing more than to stop it - breeders, many veterinarians, and hunting groups (YES, would you believe?) and many more you would never suspect, are against any spay/neuter legislation! But it's the ONLY answer! Natalie =^..^= P.S. Maybe all of the rescuers in this group who have ideas, should take this offline..let's put our heads together! It can be done! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] RenAvast for cats
Can you advise what the costs are and where it can be obtained? I have some older ferals who are not touchable. This might be of interest. Thanks. On Jun 3, 2012, at 6:03 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Wonder if this would help my Homey - she has sturvite crystals. Keeps coming back. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Hi, everyone; I thought this might be of interest to you. One of our older cats (17) - blood tests revealed slight renal problem, for which my vet recommended a new product RenAvast; there's a lot more info on it if you search. http://www.renavast.com/ I contacted them and since I am a 501 (c) (3) group, they kindly they offered wholesale prices (as to a vet). Apparently, you can start using it on cats who don't have a problem yet. I also started using NutraMin as a supplement for all the cats. Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/REPLY
I don't doubt it. Can you move the feeding station? On Jun 3, 2012, at 7:50 PM, dot winkler wrote: Hi. I was the one who wrote that e-mail. I just read your response. I'm telling you that the cats are afraid to go in there now - into the bin with the dry food now that I have started refilling it. They are not even eating it. It is fresh food as i just refilled it. I tried to coax one of the cats to go in and he backed off. They are skiddish lately. Because that raccoon was so large and not afraid of anything - it was running around in the area where their little houses were and coming right up to their meat while they were eating in daytime hours. Perhaps it is the skunk smell that also is around but that never seemed to bother them in the past. ???Dotty From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION I can't find the email from someone who thinks that the cats are avoiding the food because the feeding dish/station smells from raccoon. This is definitely NOT the cause of the cats avoiding the food. It's probably the food. It may be stale or they are just tired of the flavor. When I was feeding colonies, the cats and raccoons were eating side by side, except when a raccoon got too greedy and chased the cats away. But the cats always returned to what was left of the food and finished it off. From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION Door on a timer? However, my bet is on the coons. On Jun 1, 2012, at 7:37 PM, dot winkler wrote: Hi - well, I don't think I can bring the dry food in at night. Because i would have to make two trips to the cat area, instead of one. One trip is to bring the meat to them. If I did that in the evening then I could bring in the dry food but then i would have to come the next morning to put the dry food back and then another time that day to bring it in again. I live the next town over and work schedule is rough so once a day is pushing it as it is! Thanks for all your suggestions. What did you mean about the RAMP? I was not sure I understood. Just thought of something - wouldn't it be cool if I could devise a door that would shut automatically each night so nothing could get in the dry food station and then open in the morning! L.O.L. dotty ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
Door on a timer? However, my bet is on the coons. On Jun 1, 2012, at 7:37 PM, dot winkler wrote: Hi - well, I don't think I can bring the dry food in at night. Because i would have to make two trips to the cat area, instead of one. One trip is to bring the meat to them. If I did that in the evening then I could bring in the dry food but then i would have to come the next morning to put the dry food back and then another time that day to bring it in again. I live the next town over and work schedule is rough so once a day is pushing it as it is! Thanks for all your suggestions. What did you mean about the RAMP? I was not sure I understood. Just thought of something - wouldn't it be cool if I could devise a door that would shut automatically each night so nothing could get in the dry food station and then open in the morning! L.O.L. dotty From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION I feed the birds, so I also feed raccoons since they clean up what the birds don't get or drop. I also get possums coming for the seed. They both come to the feeders especially during a dry spell because I also put out water for the birds. They come all during the day, especially the young ones who have just been weaned. When they find an easy source of food, they will keep coming back. Maybe try moving the food to a different location, confuse them? Coons are smart, scheming little kids. I had one that sekt stealing the bait out of a trap, so I watched all night and caught her. She entered the trap, sucked in her stomachso she would not trip the door and reached across the trip plate, took the food and backed out. Next night, I wired the bait to the floor of the trap and in the struggle to get it, she sprung the trap. Big Momma, another (35lbs) kept getting in my seed can. She would open it and let the babies in to eat. Tried using straps from pick up. She chewed thru them. Brought it inside and she tried to turn the door handle so she could get in to it. Maybe you cold make a ramp - no, coons would jucst use it too. I will ask Perk (an old timer round here who used to hunt them) maybe he can come up with something. Have you thought of bringing the dry food in at night and once the cats got used to the feeding schedule, they would not come for food at night. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Yes, raccoons are mostly nocturnal, but when they have young ones, they can also be seen during the day, looking for more food. This makes many people call ACOs when they see raccoons during the day, wrongly assuming that there's something wrong with them, like rabies, distemper. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:17 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION They are and they are a royal pain. On May 29, 2012, at 8:55 AM, Beth wrote: I have the same problem with opossums. I have started feeding the ferals in a different place putting dry food out for the Opossums. Also I feed the ferals during the day the Opossums eat at night. I'm not sure if raccoons are nocturnal like opossums Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ _ From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder? I am feeding 7 outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night in the dry food feeding station. I feed the cats by day some meat and throw away the plates when done. But the dry food is a staple food for them which they need to supplement the one feeding I give. Also, in case I can't get there to feed them. Any suggestions? I have seen some constructions on line but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I don't think he can jump up into anything! Please let me know. I know this has nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats. Dotty - Freehold, NJ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/placing the stray cats
If they are spayed and neutered and if you have a farm where barn cats are needed and cared for.not just dumped to fend for themselves...The receivers would have to understand relocation and the special needs of the relocated cats but they are available. On Jun 1, 2012, at 7:43 PM, dot winkler wrote: Speaking of all this about the raccoon, anyways, wish I could find homes for the 7 cats i feed every day. They are all so beautiful and quite healthy looking with all the meat i feed them and the dry food. At least 3 of them are very friendly and the others are coming around, too. Anyone have any input about how to place these cats? I hate to bring them to a shelter even if it's no kill. They will just sit in a cage until they get adopted for god knows how long. It's very hard feeding every day. It's just me and my husband. We can never go away anywhere now because of it. What are your experiences? Dotty From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION Hi - well, I don't think I can bring the dry food in at night. Because i would have to make two trips to the cat area, instead of one. One trip is to bring the meat to them. If I did that in the evening then I could bring in the dry food but then i would have to come the next morning to put the dry food back and then another time that day to bring it in again. I live the next town over and work schedule is rough so once a day is pushing it as it is! Thanks for all your suggestions. What did you mean about the RAMP? I was not sure I understood. Just thought of something - wouldn't it be cool if I could devise a door that would shut automatically each night so nothing could get in the dry food station and then open in the morning! L.O.L. dotty From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION I feed the birds, so I also feed raccoons since they clean up what the birds don't get or drop. I also get possums coming for the seed. They both come to the feeders especially during a dry spell because I also put out water for the birds. They come all during the day, especially the young ones who have just been weaned. When they find an easy source of food, they will keep coming back. Maybe try moving the food to a different location, confuse them? Coons are smart, scheming little kids. I had one that sekt stealing the bait out of a trap, so I watched all night and caught her. She entered the trap, sucked in her stomachso she would not trip the door and reached across the trip plate, took the food and backed out. Next night, I wired the bait to the floor of the trap and in the struggle to get it, she sprung the trap. Big Momma, another (35lbs) kept getting in my seed can. She would open it and let the babies in to eat. Tried using straps from pick up. She chewed thru them. Brought it inside and she tried to turn the door handle so she could get in to it. Maybe you cold make a ramp - no, coons would jucst use it too. I will ask Perk (an old timer round here who used to hunt them) maybe he can come up with something. Have you thought of bringing the dry food in at night and once the cats got used to the feeding schedule, they would not come for food at night. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Yes, raccoons are mostly nocturnal, but when they have young ones, they can also be seen during the day, looking for more food. This makes many people call ACOs when they see raccoons during the day, wrongly assuming that there's something wrong with them, like rabies, distemper. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:17 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION They are and they are a royal pain. On May 29, 2012, at 8:55 AM, Beth wrote: I have the same problem with opossums. I have started feeding the ferals in a different place putting dry food out for the Opossums. Also I feed the ferals during the day the Opossums eat at night. I'm not sure if raccoons are nocturnal like opossums Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ _ From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder? I am feeding 7 outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating
Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
Possums don't bother me but the coons do. I have trapped and relocated both (not during baby season) because they were raiding my mother's house, threatening her ferals and endangering themselves thanks to the problems they were causing neighbors. They were relocated to a farm I own. I brought the coons over immediately because they were vicious and very likely to hurt themselves trying to escape (can't blame them). They get/carry a lot of diseases including canine distemper which makes people think they are rabid when they are not but they do carry rabies. As noted, they can easily kill cats and dogs, even hunting (read fairly large dogs). They are extremely messy and destructive and can get into about anything. I know, and knew, from personal experience but was not willing to turn the captives over to hunters or to locate them where there wasn't an appropriate environment. Possums will defend themselves if they have to but are fairly calm...again from personal experience. They are wonderful at insect control and I have watched them under the porch lights on the farm...inhaling the insects. Just FYI: The coons are very cute and charming.not so much with the possums but they are actually darlings in my world. On Jun 1, 2012, at 8:54 AM, Natalie wrote: Whenever someone dumps a cat around here, I always see them eating together with possums - it's amazing. The first time I saw it, I was really terrified for the cat! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 12:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION cats and possums getting along. That was one worry I had about feeding the birds, that the cats could be hurt by them. So far, all my cats have enough good sense to back off when they and the coons come up to eat. Somehow they seem to know they could not win a fight with either one of them. Coons can kill a full grown dog, especially if they get them in enough water to hold their head down until the drown them. Dana Giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com wrote: I feed mine on the ground inside a bin which I have cut out the sides of so they can pass through. I lean boards up Against the sides. It's low perfect for a cat and opossums but apparently too low and awkward for a raccoon to get in there. I put a large deep square plastic food bin inside and a piece of styrofoam on the floor inside to wedge the food bin into one place. Opossums and cats get along fine so I let them share. My main issues end up being ants and slugs which I use food grade diacetemous earth and sandpaper to deter. I also have a rope light out there - dunno if that deters so wanted to mention it. Hope that helps. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply
Do they have battery operated radios that have timers? Be aware that coons can destroy about anything. If this is one coon or maybe two, can you trap it and relocate it? On May 31, 2012, at 6:32 AM, dot winkler wrote: Hi Martha - I don't live nearby. I live in the next town over. I drive over there once a day. Wish i did. That would be a good idea if I could have noise at night to deter the critters! Thanks From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION A radio playing at night has reduced the raccoon visits at our chicken-coop, maybe it would help with the cat situation? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply
Coons climb and jump. Evidence: Hunters tree coons; they eat bird eggs; they get on top of garbage cans and open them etc. Google it. On May 31, 2012, at 6:44 AM, dot winkler wrote: Hi - That's an idea. I'm waiting to see if the coon returns. I just restarted the dry food after two weeks of not putting it out. I'm afraid to trap it - it may have babies somewhere. I'd feel bad. I read coons can't jump or climb but also had some feedback that, yes they can. Wondering about this. Dotty From: MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply Do they have battery operated radios that have timers? Be aware that coons can destroy about anything. If this is one coon or maybe two, can you trap it and relocate it? On May 31, 2012, at 6:32 AM, dot winkler wrote: Hi Martha - I don't live nearby. I live in the next town over. I drive over there once a day. Wish i did. That would be a good idea if I could have noise at night to deter the critters! Thanks From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION A radio playing at night has reduced the raccoon visits at our chicken-coop, maybe it would help with the cat situation? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply
They don't and they contain a poison. On May 31, 2012, at 7:57 AM, Martha Walton wrote: My neighbor puts out moth balls to keep raccoons possums away, but cats probably don't like the smell, either. On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 8:44 AM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: Please don’t trap this time of year, they could still have babies somewhere…and depending on the state, laws may prohibit relocation of wildlife (as in CT). From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of dot winkler Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:45 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply Hi - That's an idea. I'm waiting to see if the coon returns. I just restarted the dry food after two weeks of not putting it out. I'm afraid to trap it - it may have babies somewhere. I'd feel bad. I read coons can't jump or climb but also had some feedback that, yes they can. Wondering about this. Dotty From: MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply Do they have battery operated radios that have timers? Be aware that coons can destroy about anything. If this is one coon or maybe two, can you trap it and relocate it? On May 31, 2012, at 6:32 AM, dot winkler wrote: Hi Martha - I don't live nearby. I live in the next town over. I drive over there once a day. Wish i did. That would be a good idea if I could have noise at night to deter the critters! Thanks From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION A radio playing at night has reduced the raccoon visits at our chicken-coop, maybe it would help with the cat situation? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
I just put up a lot of chain link panels so my guys could safely spend time outside. The area is big enough that I go out and read, work on the computer etc too. The panels are less than half the cost of installed fencing. I am considering chicken wire to screen in the porch. Ceiling fans will take care of insects and cats will have a hard time wrecking the wire. Just thoughts. On May 31, 2012, at 10:41 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I got some information on a screen that the manufacturer says is cat, dog and raccoon proof. Also no seeums proof. It cost $108.00 per roll (which is a large roll). I will try to dig out the info and send it to you. I was planning on fencing in my deck for days when I have to leave early and get back late. At least they would be able to get outside. Harley especially is a real pain when he can't go outside, knocking things down, over and driving the others crazy (this will make me give in and let him out). I don't want to leave them outside when I am gone because they might get hurt and I would not get back in time to take them to the vet. I know, crazy, but I don't want to loose any of them because of stupidity. dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder? I am feeding 7 outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night in the dry food feeding station. I feed the cats by day some meat and throw away the plates when done. But the dry food is a staple food for them which they need to supplement the one feeding I give. Also, in case I can't get there to feed them. Any suggestions? I have seen some constructions on line but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I don't think he can jump up into anything! Please let me know. I know this has nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats. Dotty - Freehold, NJ From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time. I hate it when it does that. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400 Ha, ha - I love it!!! You sound as pissed off as I was. Believe me he is on my shitlist too. I was boiling about it for days. Matter of fact I was just telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking about it. I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die. I don't know. He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to give her fluids and do a blood test and then e- mail this other vet so I could get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP. I didn't give him a chance to send me away with nothing. Course, at the time other than the fever she was doing okay. Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and everything although she had lost some weight. So she wasn't in any pain. But I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about that anyway. The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't even that expensive. He's such a dumbass. I didn't know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said he had thought about it when he was looking at her. So if he thought about it and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care. He figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests or treatments on her. I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her. BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have been just killing her. I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals. I'm going to steal it. Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad thing or beneath me or something. I'll use your answer for those folks. It's probably better than what I normally say to them, if you
Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
They are and they are a royal pain. On May 29, 2012, at 8:55 AM, Beth wrote: I have the same problem with opossums. I have started feeding the ferals in a different place putting dry food out for the Opossums. Also I feed the ferals during the day the Opossums eat at night. I'm not sure if raccoons are nocturnal like opossums Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder? I am feeding 7 outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night in the dry food feeding station. I feed the cats by day some meat and throw away the plates when done. But the dry food is a staple food for them which they need to supplement the one feeding I give. Also, in case I can't get there to feed them. Any suggestions? I have seen some constructions on line but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I don't think he can jump up into anything! Please let me know. I know this has nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats. Dotty - Freehold, NJ From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time. I hate it when it does that. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400 Ha, ha - I love it!!! You sound as pissed off as I was. Believe me he is on my shitlist too. I was boiling about it for days. Matter of fact I was just telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking about it. I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die. I don't know. He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to give her fluids and do a blood test and then e- mail this other vet so I could get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP. I didn't give him a chance to send me away with nothing. Course, at the time other than the fever she was doing okay. Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and everything although she had lost some weight. So she wasn't in any pain. But I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about that anyway. The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't even that expensive. He's such a dumbass. I didn't know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said he had thought about it when he was looking at her. So if he thought about it and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care. He figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests or treatments on her. I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her. BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have been just killing her. I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals. I'm going to steal it. Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad thing or beneath me or something. I'll use your answer for those folks. It's probably better than what I normally say to them, if you know what I mean! Maureen “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: marciabmar...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:14:58 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? What the hell is wrong with this vet, that he didn't even want to help a little helpless suffering animal feel better? And he has the knowledge and power to do just that!! I'm baffled. Not tooting my own horn by any means, but when people ask me why I do what I do for animals, the only
Re: [Felvtalk] OT: FACEBOOK Online Auction for one of TAZZY'S CH Kitties in need more surgery!
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Re: [Felvtalk] please add Sylvia to the CLS
Sylvia will always be with you. She lived a wonderful life and you showed your love by staying with her to the end. Don't be surprised if she sends you little ones to lighten your grief. Dixie sent me two. Blessings to you. It is so hard. On May 22, 2012, at 8:17 PM, Beth wrote: You did the right thing it really is a great gift you gave her to be with het at the end. Beth Anna Waltman anna.walt...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, I lost my sweet Sylvia cat this afternoon. Despite our best efforts with daily subcutaneous fluids, appetite stimulants, Interferon, probiotics, vitamins, steroids, and multiple antibiotics, she was still fading fast and appeared to be in a significant amount of pain yesterday. So, with a heavy heart, I took her to the vet one last time this afternoon for a consult. The vet looked over her chart thoroughly, took a close look at her gums and listened to her breath, and said that at this point we'd done all we could do; the anemia was causing her to crash. We agreed, sadly, that it was time to let her go. This was definitely the hardest choice I've ever made; I'm only 25 and Sylvia was my first cat as an adult. We bonded immediately and it has been awful watching her decline over the last month. I'd never been present when an animal has been euthanized before, and I was extremely reluctant to see her go this way. I'd hoped she might pass quietly at home, but she just seemed so uncomfortable that letting her linger struck me as cruel and selfish. I think I made the right choice. She went peacefully, wrapped in a clean blanket in my arms, with no pain. While we waited for the vet, she sat in my lap and purred just like she did as a kitten at her first vet visit. It broke my heart to let her go, even though I know it was the kindest thing I could do. Sylvia was the best cat I've ever had: smart, sweet, devoted, impeccably well-mannered, pleasantly chatty, cuddly. Up until last month, she was fat, sassy, and apart from gingivitis, quite healthy, so I am confident she had a good life. I will miss her terribly. I already do. I'm glad I have my lively little clownish siamese mix, Beatrice (who, as far as I know, is FeLV negative and healthy as a horse) to keep me company. It'll just be the two of us for a little while, so we have time to mourn the loss of a truly great friend, old soul, and gentle spirit. I am so, so sad...but also thankful for four years with a wonderful cat. Some animals make you a better person. I think Sylvia has done that for me, and I will always remember her. Thanks to all of you who have given me advice and support over the last few years. I'm grateful to have had a group of more experienced cat owners to turn to with questions and concerns; you all have been a great source of comfort and information. Best of luck to you and yours in fighting this awful disease. Sadly, Anna (and Beatrice) -- Anna Elisabeth Waltman PhD Candidate // Contemporary American Poetics Department of English and American Literature University of Massachusetts, Amherst awalt...@english.umass.edu ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site
Dripping water and/or a water fountain may help with water consumption. On Feb 7, 2012, at 12:59 PM, Val Green wrote: Thanks, Natalie and all who responded. I've got Manny on prescription K/D dry food, baby food meats and lots of water dishes all over the house. He's probably close to 15 years old and has had CRF for several years. He's put on some weight recently and I'm hopeful he'll be around a few more years. Lots of love from this sweet, black cat! Valerie On Feb 7, 2012, at 12:10 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: Here it is: http://www.felinecrf.org/ I am dealing with CRF on a continuous basis, and treatment depends on the levels of creatinine, BUN, phosphorus, etc. I use aluminum hydroxide, Pepcid AC, sub=q fluids, special diets, and whatever the vet tells me depending on test results. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of Chris Macke Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site Just google Tanya's CRF site and it will come right up - Original Message - From: Val Green To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:44 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site I must have missed it, but can someone give me Tanya's site about CRF? My beloved Manny cat has CRF and I want to do as much as I can for him. Thank you all, Valerie On Feb 7, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Holly Shelton hsshel...@aol.com wrote: Tanya's CRF site is awesome. It really helped me turn my renal cat around. I can't access my list of things to feed when cats refuse to eat right now. Off the top of my head: a plain McDonald's hamburger patty, all meat baby food, boiled chicken, cheese, lunchmeat, smelly fish food.. I am just learning about Felv. My prior experience with cat issues is with diabetes and renal failure. Sending you good thoughts. Holl font -Original Message- From: botha.marinda4 botha.marin...@gmail.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, Feb 7, 2012 1:30 am Subject: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger My vet ordered Interferon and Cyproheptadine. The vet suspects leukemia is already in kitty's bone marrow. Ginger kitty refuses to eat his food but tried to eat his cat litter last night. What should I do? Euthanasia? I can't see my darling suffer like this! Marinda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ginger
Maybe this will help: From a cat When humans die, they make a will To leave their homes, and all they Have to those they love. I too would make a will, if I could write. To some poor, wistful, lonely stray I'd leave my happy home, My dish, my cozy bed, my cushioned chair, my toy, The well-loved lap, The gently stroking hand, The loving voice, The place I made in someone's heart, The love, that at the last Could help me to a peaceful, painless end Held in loving arms. If I should die, Oh! Do not say: No more a pet I'll have To grieve me by its loss. Seek out some lonely, unloved cat And give my place to him. This is my legacy, The love I leave behind, 'Tis all I have to give. -- Margaret Trowton -- On Mar 10, 2012, at 11:23 PM, Melinda Kerr wrote: Well said! I was trying to think of how to say the same thing. On Mar 11, 2012, at 2:16 PM, GRAS wrote: I am so sorry about Ginger; every time I hear of a cat dying, it hurts, whether it's someone else's or my own...and it happens so often on this list! No, getting another cat is not betrayal; I see it as a wonderful tribute to the cat that died! There are so many out there that are in desperate need of a home, and if you can prevent a death in honor of your cat that just passed, even better! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: TNR
Plastic rubbermaid totes will help too. If you cut a hole toward the end on one of the long sides and leave the lid on top, you can stuff it with a little hay or pine needles (no cloth please, it holds water). Cutting the hole this way lets them get further out of the weather and feels safer than putting it in the middle or on a short side. The top acts as a roof, repelling water and wind and makes it easier to tend to the box. I like to put a little Sevin in for fleas during the season. On Mar 11, 2012, at 12:03 AM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: If the caregivers provide protection for them, even a styrofoam cooler wll protect frm rain, snow and with a bit of straw, they can be warm. GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: At least the cat colonies don't have to freeze in the winter in FL like they do elsewhere. Most TNR groups that I know of in this area don't tests at all. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 1:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: TNR -- Forwarded message -- From: Heather furrygi...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Definitely not to argue, but to provide some perspective on high volume TNR and the ACA (and Neighborhood Cats) stance on routine testing of TNR ferals... While millions of cats are of course killed in shelters each year nationally, the free roaming cat population on the streets may differ vastly geographically. In my city (Tampa), there are hundreds of thousands of feral cats. There are several of us constantly practicing TNR on the population at large (or colonies where the feeders are not fixing--a huge sore spot with us, too), meaning trapping pretty much every week, sometimes more than once a week, cats who are not at our own colonies. Some of my friends trap anywhere from 10 - 50 cats per week for TNR (and of course kittens and such are rescued as much as space/socialization/fosters permit, sick cats treated, etc.) Routine TNR's--not being rescued for adoption or not being addressed/treated for illness are not tested. If we tested every cat, we could only spay/neuter/vaccinate a fraction of the cats. There would be far more (exponentially, we all know how cats can reproduce--here it's hot and a mama will have 3 litters a year) cats breeding, spreading illness. There would be more negative AND more positive cats, and therefore since unfixed, also more positive (and negative) kittens being born on the streets. In our city, we are serving the greater good by fixing as many as possible. Since we all also do a lot of rescue, pulling friendlies/dumped cats, or cats to be treated for illness, from colonies, I can say we run into FELV fairly seldomly. Despite my own very high # of colonies, in addition to helping people rescue and fix cats all over, I have run into FELV the most of anyone I know and it's really just been in two areas, close in proximity, where the feeders are NOT fixing the cats. Disease definititely seems to proliferate where the cats are unsterilized, though of course I realize it spreads in other ways besides reproducing. As TNR has steadily increased in our county, the # of cats euthanized at our county AS has steadily declined--I can share a graph if anyone is interested, the results are absolutely amazing and pretty much in direct proportion in terms of euth decrease/TNR increase. Several years ago 16K-18K cats were killed per year at this county shelter; now it is down to around 9K. Even our own local Humane Society--which has the most awesome s/n/TNR clinic, but was very firm on testing for years, finally conceded with the ACA/Neighborhood Cats stance that, on routine TNR's not showing signs of illness, the resources are best spent in sterilizing more cats than on testing. They do sometimes call us while assessing/operating and say they feel a particular cat needs to be tested. They are elated by the decrease in shelter euthanasia as well. I have no qualms returning an FIV+ cat to a safe area with a good caretaker, I had one FIV+ female who lived to be 14 outside until we brought her in to live her last 9 months due to geriatric issues. Granted, this was on a university campus where we often have cats live to be over 10 years old (just a little different environment from the true streets such as fast food joints, etc.). I hope me providing this perspective isn't resented--again, it's not intended to argue, just some comments to explain why many embrace the ACA perspective on not testing routine TNR's Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion and best practices for what they are doing. The overpopulation problem in Florida is insane, that is one
Re: [Felvtalk] Ginger
I was broken hearted when my Dixie left this world. It was the hardest thing to walk into my home in Louisville without her. It was almost impossible to come back to the farm alone. We moved in here together andshe decided I had cried enough after a month and sent me a tiny little feral kitten in one of her favorite colors (yes, she had favorites) from the same pine thicket she came from. Two weeks later she sent me a second tiny feral kitten. One had her adventurous nature and the other her snuggling/cuddling natureyes, it took two kittens who grew into cats at least twice Dixie's size to take care of me. I truly believe she sent them. I don't do kittens because they are easier to rehome than grown catssad but true. These little boys were the first kittens I raisedor, more accurately, who raised me and they are wonderful. Those animals who are always in our hearts send others to heal our breaking hearts. On Mar 11, 2012, at 3:17 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: This oe is new to me also. Thank you even if it did make me cry. GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: I have so many poems, but haven't seen this one yet; thank you for posting it - Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 9:07 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ginger Importance: High Maybe this will help: From a cat When humans die, they make a will To leave their homes, and all they Have to those they love. I too would make a will, if I could write. To some poor, wistful, lonely stray I'd leave my happy home, My dish, my cozy bed, my cushioned chair, my toy, The well-loved lap, The gently stroking hand, The loving voice, The place I made in someone's heart, The love, that at the last Could help me to a peaceful, painless end Held in loving arms. If I should die, Oh! Do not say: No more a pet I'll have To grieve me by its loss. Seek out some lonely, unloved cat And give my place to him. This is my legacy, The love I leave behind, 'Tis all I have to give. -- Margaret Trowton -- On Mar 10, 2012, at 11:23 PM, Melinda Kerr wrote: Well said! I was trying to think of how to say the same thing. On Mar 11, 2012, at 2:16 PM, GRAS wrote: I am so sorry about Ginger; every time I hear of a cat dying, it hurts, whether it's someone else's or my own...and it happens so often on this list! No, getting another cat is not betrayal; I see it as a wonderful tribute to the cat that died! There are so many out there that are in desperate need of a home, and if you can prevent a death in honor of your cat that just passed, even better! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] S'Matter Please add to the CLS :(
Bless you for loving and caring...That is all that matters On Mar 11, 2012, at 5:33 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: It does seam that the most memorableons to come into our lives are dropped into our lives by others who will never know the love they have missed out on. My pryers are with you. GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: Sherry, So sorry about S'Matter. I lost a cat yesterday, had to have Quigley euthanized. NOT from FeLV, but to a very severe kidney infection - he was over 16 yrs old, grey with the most amazing emerald green eyes (left on our doorstep in a carrier years ago). Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 1:33 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] S'Matter Please add to the CLS :( I am sorry for your loss :( _ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 10:30:16 -0800 From: sherryd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] S'Matter Please add to the CLS :( This morning we lost sweet scared S'Matterhe was quite the scaredy cat,but we did our best to calm his fears...he never really trusted us totally,but when I handed out treats I spotted him out of his hiding spot in the last couple monthstook pics to prove to others that he was a little braverwell I hope this wide eyed boy is calm and relaxed nowwe will miss you S'Matter :( Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links
I lost two feral females three days after they were spayed. They were kept up, safe and cared for. They were fine when I checked them the night before. Two wonderful girls, unrelated, spayed at different times by different vets, seemingly very healthy. It is bad enough that they died. It would have been a lot worse had they died after being releasedat least from the point of other animals causing even more pain. Maybe the cats would not agree. I won't even bring a cat who has been spayed home for three days now. On Mar 8, 2012, at 6:58 AM, GRAS wrote: Believe me, I am 100% onboard with TNR, it’s just not for me. I have tried several times to set-up colonies in Greenwich, but could not get anyone to become responsible caretakers….TNR colonies require really dedicated and responsible people, not part-time do- gooders who have no idea how much work goes into caring for a colony to keep it healthy. And as I said before, I am totally against the immediate release after surgery (spay/neuter, especially in the winter))….but you would be surprised how many keep doing it with horrible results; their philosophy is that even though they lose a few, they’ve done their part! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of Sharyl Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 3:37 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links I know others have also responded Natalie about TNR. TNR is one of the best ways of fighting the spread of FeLV. In my experience a positive momma will have positive kittens. Fix the momma and you stop the spread of the disease in a feral colony. I also do TNR and manage 2 feral colonies. The adult males and females are released back after recovery from their surgeries. Males 1 day and females 3-4 days as long as they are doing OK. The kittens I tame and try to adopt out. The only way to combat PETA is to responsibly manage these feral/hard stray colonies. My oldest feral is a 7+ year old male who is only happy outside in his colony. We can't take all these feral/hard strays in but we can give them a healthy, stress free life in their colonies once they have been spayed/neutered. At least that way the population is controlled. The real problem is feeders who do not TNR. That's how these feral/ hard stray colonies get out of control. Managing these colonies means responsible s/n, feeding and medical treatment when needed. JMHO Sharyl From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don’t like some of the ways that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for. Some groups spay cats and release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a known fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as infections, and even disembowelment due to ruptures. Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical care! I can’t even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700 cats! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Sitters
Check with the vet techs at the vet/vets you frequent. On Mar 6, 2012, at 9:08 PM, Katie Marie Armijo wrote: Hi All, I was wondering if anyone one knew of a good pet sitter near Thousand Oaks, CA. We have 3 cats, one who is 6 months and has FELV. Starting next month we will be traveling a lot for the whole summer and need someone to watch our babies while we are gone. If anyone know someone or has any advice on a good way to find someone that would be awesome! Thank you, Katie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic but if anyone can help with info? fluid in lungs
Talk to a holist vet (MHO). Kitty and Dixie, feral similar to yours, did wonderfully with the care of both a holistic vet and a regular vet. I know, I am blessed to have both and they respect each other. Also, if possible, find another regular vet. Killing a cat without symptoms and true pain (not discomfort) is beyond me. I have dealt with ferals a really long time. In fact, every cat who has moved into my home or chosen to live where I can provide some comforts (food, outdoor shelter) has been feral. They are the smartest of the smart (again MHO) and will let you know exactly what they want. On Mar 3, 2012, at 5:09 PM, dppl dppl wrote: Melinda, thanks for taking the time to respond so quickly. My fear is, if this vet didn't want to draw blood since she said cat's gums started turning blue, how will she endure further testing? How much stress should I put her through? She was born to a feral cat, I have had her over 13 years she is tame for me, but freaks out when i try to put her in carrier . ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic but if anyone can help with info? fluid in lungs
And maybe some spray catnip concentrate On Mar 3, 2012, at 5:47 PM, GRAS wrote: My vet is and his assistant have become expert in dealing with feral cats by using towels/blankets to wrap and rewrap as needed for examinations. I have also learned this in dealing with feral cats. You could also get some Bach Flower Remedy – RESCUE, use it in the cat‘s water, you can put it onto the cat’s gums, or even on the skin inside the ear or on the forehead….every little bit helps. Use some Feliway spray inside the carrier (one spray of it about one hour before using the carrier (it’s quite potent) – all that should calm the cat. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 6:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic but if anyone can help with info? fluid in lungs Talk to a holist vet (MHO). Kitty and Dixie, feral similar to yours, did wonderfully with the care of both a holistic vet and a regular vet. I know, I am blessed to have both and they respect each other. Also, if possible, find another regular vet. Killing a cat without symptoms and true pain (not discomfort) is beyond me. I have dealt with ferals a really long time. In fact, every cat who has moved into my home or chosen to live where I can provide some comforts (food, outdoor shelter) has been feral. They are the smartest of the smart (again MHO) and will let you know exactly what they want. On Mar 3, 2012, at 5:09 PM, dppl dppl wrote: Melinda, thanks for taking the time to respond so quickly. My fear is, if this vet didn't want to draw blood since she said cat's gums started turning blue, how will she endure further testing? How much stress should I put her through? She was born to a feral cat, I have had her over 13 years she is tame for me, but freaks out when i try to put her in carrier . ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat vomiting, FeLV? was.. (no subject)
I haven't followed this line but ...he may just need a course
of pepcid. I have perfectly healthy cats who need this at times. And
I have had to change their diets because the food was too rich or
there was something that just didn't agree with them. If someone put
me down every time I threw up, I would have left this world a long
time ago. Please consult with a holistic vet in addition to a new
regular vet. I took Dixie to one (she was FeLV+) and she had a
wonderful life. The reuglar vets and the holistic vet co-operated
wonderfully.
On Feb 23, 2012, at 11:44 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
I agree, don't give up on him and get another vet's opinion. Did
your vet do any tests to determine the cause? My Casey was
upchucking 3 feet from her food bowl. All I had to do was switch
from Hill's food to Blue Buffalo whic has no corn, wheat or soy in
it and she is doing great now. Unless Harley pounces on her right
after eating.
Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com wrote:
What are the other problems your cat has besides vomiting? I assume
your vet came to the conclusion that your kitty had to be put down
b/c he tested positive on an in office test? As you have heard that
is unaceptable.
Or is your cat quite ill, lethargic, anemic, losing weight and is
an in/out cat, has he come in contact with other cats with FeLV?
How old is he?
Since he was tested he was not vaccinated or his vaccines are
overdue?..Please tell us more..doesn't seem right that your vet
told you he should be euthanized b/c he was just vomiting
Marta
http://homelessnomore.webs.com/
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From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, February 24, 2012, 4:24 AM
Actually, what I should have said was to find another vet. Find
one that knows more about FeLV and knows that it is not an
automatic death sentence. Find one that knows about the different
types of tests and is open minded about FeLV and treating FeLV.
“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results
that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it
inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward
it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without
looking further.” – Mark Twain
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 23:12:07 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
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No - don't give up on him. It's too early to make any decisions.
Just because the vet did one blood test that said he was FeLV
positive that does not mean he will stay that way. The test they
do in the office is a first step. An indicator that further
testing is required. That's all. The vomiting could be from a lot
of different things and isn't necessarily related to the FeLV.
The test they do in the office can show a false positive - in other
words, the test could be wrong. That does happen in a small
percentage of cases. Those test are sensitive and can show
incorrect results if not handled correctly. But, assuming the test
is showing correct results then there are still other things to
look at before making any decisions. There is a possibility that
the cat can extinguish the virus. A percentage of cats that get
the virus are actually able to get rid of it. A second test called
an IFA test will show whether the virus has progressed to the point
of no return. If that test is negative then the cat still has a
chance to get rid of the virus so you should wait a couple months
or so and re-test. If that test is positive then it's not likely
the cat will be able to get rid of the virus so you don't need to
do any further testing.
But no matter what the test results are it doesn't mean you have to
put him down. You can put him down when he's suffering and there's
no relief for him. Euthanasia is about ending pain that cannot be
treated, not ending a life because of what could or could not
happen in the future. You just need to take care of him and treat
his symptoms and who knows when his time will come. Like I said
above, the vomiting might not even be related to FeLV. Lots of
cats vomit for lots of different reasons. Now you do need to
figure what's wrong and fix it because you don't want him to become
dehydrated from all the vomiting. You tell that vet to figure out
what's wrong and don't just assume he's throwing up because he has
FeLV.
I'll let others chime in but don't give up yet. Get him over this
sickness and just treat him whenever he gets sick but don't assume
he's going to die anytime one little
Re: [Felvtalk] Dublin woke up from surgery blind
What do you mean boxed down? On Feb 15, 2012, at 2:58 PM, Kathryn Hargreaves wrote: I agree on the Ketamine. I always ask for gas, and for ferals to be boxed down. On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dublin woke up from surgery blind Ask the vet if he used Ketamine. This is an injected anesthesia and many times results in dilated pupils. The dilation lasts anywhere from a day to a week. Baby Face, a cat I had long ago came out of spay surgery with dilated pupils. I didn't notice it until the Sunday after the surgery. We have an animal eye specialist here. He came into the office just to check Baby Face for high eye pressure. She was normal. Then he asked what type of anesthesia had been used. I didn't know so he called the vet who had done the spay. It was Ketamine. This drug has since been banned or cautioned for use on humans but vets are still using it on cats and dogs because it's less expensive and quicker for them to use. I always ask for the gas method of anesthesia because of Baby Face's experience with this drug. It could also be the cause of Dublin's agitation if he has a sensitivity to the drug. If you have an animal eye specialist in your area take Dublin to that vet. He will put some drops in the eyes and test the pressure. Dublin could actually have come to you with mild glaucoma since you say that his pupils were mostly not responsive to light.. Glaucoma in animals can be controlled with special eye medication similar to what humans use to control eye pressure. Lee From: Anne Myles anne.my...@uni.edu To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 11:32 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Dublin woke up from surgery blind I am devastated -- my FeLV boy Dublin had major dental surgery yesterday to remove the rest of his teeth due to severe stomatitis and feline resorptive lesions (his third dental surgery in six months). He came through OK it seemed, and his bloodwork turned out to be very promising (his mild anemia around December had reversed with his hematocrit in the middle of the normal range). But something seemed off with agitation and his eyes and the vet realized that Dublin seems to be blind. He did all the ocular tests they do and nothing physiologically can be found wrong -- no detached retina, no bleed, no evidence of hypoxia, etc. But only his left eye is even minimally reactive to light. The vet believes the blindness to be related to the FeLV, although I'm still totally confused about the suddenness of this all. Dublin has always had something weird about his eyes -- the pupils stay mostly dilated and while they constrict a little it's definitely not like a normal cat. I wondered if he had an eye problem and could see well even before I adopted him and learned he was FeLV+. But he seemed to see fine. While Dublin is physically stable he is apparently extremely agitated and the vet wants to keep him at the hospital until he settles down and begins to adapt. He was with him until 10:30 last night and says that Dubbie has scarcely been out of a tech's arms since. (He is the most loving, people-oriented cat, and is not stressed just from being at the vet -- it's almost a joke how much he likes it there.) I am crazy with distress and also with anxiety about bringing him home (have another cat, pretty rowdy, and a dog), though everyone says blind cats can do well. I'd appreciate any encouragement -- or in particular any insight into a FeLV-blindness link. Anne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Doxy
I use colostrum for a lot of the ferals (get it from a farm store for calves). I can't know if it helps but these guys have lived a lot longer than most ferals. On Feb 12, 2012, at 10:46 AM, Marcia Baronda wrote: And how about some immune system builders, like colostrum, etc. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Feb 10, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Amanda Vollaro avoll...@optonline.net wrote: Marcia, thanks for both suggestions. Yes, L-Form Bacteriaseems to be what they were describing. Some round, others blown-up, and some hairy. The Marshall Plan might be viable, if only I could find a clear-cut explanation of it. I'm guessing it's a thorough approach using all fresh food, no glutens, etc. I'm interested in colliodal silver, although it sounds good in the petri-dish, I'm not so sure it'd be good for a cat. Anyone else using it? What's the dosage? Ah - and the bird stuff? Awesome. They also have sulfas and all forms of antibiotics available, it's just they're for the birds. *chuckle* I still have some fish-erythro that I purchased over a year ago, before they started yanking them off the pet store walls. It seems too many people figured it out. Glad they haven't gotten wind of the bird stuff. I'm going to stock up. Sulfa powder is exceptional for little scrapes that kitties get on legs and paws, and it's good for humans, too. Saved my hand after I was bitten by a german shepherd pup. Thank you for your incredible kindness! Amanda Vollaro avoll...@optonline.net - Original Message - From: Marcia To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent Advice Needed I don't know why your veterinarian did that. It's always been my understanding that tetracyclines are the only treatment for mycoplasma. I'd google the hell out of that one. And I'm very sorry. I'd either get another vet or get my own Doxycycline, Bird Biotic by Thomas Labs. Very sorry for your loss, Marcia Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site
One of my vets tells of cats who drink local city water who develop this problem. My guys all drink bottled spring or distilled water because we travel and it is easier to do the bottles than to change from one city water to another (yes, there is a difference...big time). On Feb 7, 2012, at 8:01 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Instead of water dishes, try a water fountain. My Homey has recurring bouts of sturvite crystals and we can't find any medical reason for it. I had 1 water fountain in the kitchen and got another for my bath since everyone comes into my bedroom at night. We like my memory foam mattress and the electric blanket. I have noticed that everyone drinks more water since the fountains. They are attracted by the sound and everyone has adifferent part of the water slide to drink from. I also added a bit of organic (cloudy) cidar vinegar. Someone in the group recommended it for the crystals. I also started Homey on cranberry paste. She does not like it, but I can put it on my finger an stick it in her mouth. So far she has not bitten me but leads a merry chase around the house when she sees me coming. Also, so far she has not had anothr bout with the crystals. Val Green harpestry...@aol.com wrote: Thanks, Natalie and all who responded. I've got Manny on prescription K/D dry food, baby food meats and lots of water dishes all over the house. He's probably close to 15 years old and has had CRF for several years. He's put on some weight recently and I'm hopeful he'll be around a few more years. Lots of love from this sweet, black cat! Valerie On Feb 7, 2012, at 12:10 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: Here it is: http://www.felinecrf.org/ I am dealing with CRF on a continuous basis, and treatment depends on the levels of creatinine, BUN, phosphorus, etc. I use aluminum hydroxide, Pepcid AC, sub=q fluids, special diets, and whatever the vet tells me depending on test results. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of Chris Macke Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site Just google Tanya's CRF site and it will come right up - Original Message - From: Val Green To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:44 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site I must have missed it, but can someone give me Tanya's site about CRF? My beloved Manny cat has CRF and I want to do as much as I can for him. Thank you all, Valerie On Feb 7, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Holly Shelton hsshel...@aol.com wrote: Tanya's CRF site is awesome. It really helped me turn my renal cat around. I can't access my list of things to feed when cats refuse to eat right now. Off the top of my head: a plain McDonald's hamburger patty, all meat baby food, boiled chicken, cheese, lunchmeat, smelly fish food.. I am just learning about Felv. My prior experience with cat issues is with diabetes and renal failure. Sending you good thoughts. Holl font -Original Message- From: botha.marinda4 botha.marin...@gmail.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, Feb 7, 2012 1:30 am Subject: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger My vet ordered Interferon and Cyproheptadine. The vet suspects leukemia is already in kitty's bone marrow. Ginger kitty refuses to eat his food but tried to eat his cat litter last night. What should I do? Euthanasia? I can't see my darling suffer like this! Marinda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] My heart is broken
And even if they don't, they can live a marvelous loving life. My Dixie did. Her life was far too short but she was happy and healthy until she left this world. On Feb 5, 2012, at 2:27 PM, john pollack wrote: is she eating, using box and drinking ok??. not all cats that have FeLV actually get it, and some throw the disease off From: botha.marin...@gmail.com botha.marin...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 5:16 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] My heart is broken My darling ginger cat has been diagnosed with feline leukemia. I am devastated because the vet says that there is nothing he can do to help us. We try our uttermost best to feed our cat but don't know what to do to help our darling. Is there some kind of medication that we could recommend to our vet? Could someone PLEASE help us to get through this traumatic experience? We live in South Africa and don't know where to get help. Please help us! Marinda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone in or near California want a very sociable companion for their FeLV+ cat?
If you can't mix and I understand your concerns, consider keeping the cats separated until you can find her a real home. The most loving cat I ever had rescued me when she came in from a pine thicket. She was FeLV+ and had a wonderful life. On Jan 15, 2012, at 5:27 AM, Sharyl wrote: You know you can get your cat vaccinated and keep her yourself don't you. I mixed all my FeLV + kittens with my adult vaccinated cats. Sharyl From: Shanda Robertson sha...@well.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 10:09 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Anyone in or near California want a very sociable companion for their FeLV+ cat? Hi, I am new to this list. I've just found out that a stray cat I've been looking after is FeLV +. She is an adorable, petite young female (1-2 years old) that I've named Munchkin who is spayed, and otherwise healthy. The most special thing about her is that she LOVES other cats. She chases after them and tries to play with them, and jumps up onto window ledges wherever she sees a cat sitting in a window. When I let her into my home, she ran straight to my sleeping cat and snuggled in next to him. I don't think she would be immediately friendly to other people since it took her awhile to trust me, but she now purrs and sleeps in my lap. She would make a wonderful companion for another FeLV+ cat. I cannot keep her because my cat is FeLV-negative and unvaccinated. I am lucky to have found a cat rescue to take her in on Monday, but she will be confined separate from other cats, and this makes me sad for her. Is there anyone who wants her? I'm in the Bay Area, California, and could drive her to you. Either before or after Monday (I'm sure I could get her back from her new lodgings, but would rather not put her through more than one move). Photo: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/X7B3nd6Gu9s200H2ZhwuVgm3R7luXUf2QgPNd57qIVM?feat=directlink She is very cute! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine
To make matters worse, raccoons get canine distemper which a lot of people assume is rabies and... On Jan 5, 2012, at 11:31 AM, GRAS wrote: Sorry, in my haste to write, I made a mistake: I meant VIRGINIA! They hunters did that in the late 80s, so the big rabies outbreak in the East happened in the early 90s, almost all the raccoons were killed, whether sick or not. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 12:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine Damn hunters!! That makes me sick. And sooo lame. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jan 5, 2012, at 9:05 AM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: The Mid-Atlantic strain of rabies was brought to the East by hunters, after destroying local raccoons, wanted more raccoons to kill, so they brought them from Virginal and surrounding states. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 9:43 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine I just did some reading on rabies and it appears that mice and other rodents don't carry Rabies. Raccoons foxes and bats look to be the heaviest carriers. The East coast, for some reason is the largest region of raccoons carrying rabies! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2012, at 6:48 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: My vet reccommends evey year, but my guys go outside andbecause I live in th woods, are exposed to raccoon, possum, mice, fox and othes that can pass rabbies on. I am in a quandry, sort of dmned if I do and i I don't. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I'm sure the vets make more money by first giving a 1 year vac. and then giving the 3 year vac a year later. On 01-04, Maureen Olvey wrote: I think I might have mentioned it to you guys before but in case I didn't, studies have shown that the normal 1 year rabies vaccinations will provide immunity for at least 4 years. Interesting huh? I need to check out that group again to see if they've found anything else out or if it actually last longer than the 4 years even. I know they were doing more research studies. Will most vets give the 3 year one to a kitten? Most vets I've been to recommend that the kittens get the 1 year vaccination and then the next year they get the 3 year one. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia .org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemi a.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia .org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia .org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine
According to Fish and Wildlife, there is no way to treat wild raccoonsno comment. On Jan 5, 2012, at 5:56 PM, GRAS wrote: That's right, and looking at them, you can't tell which it is - but without treatment, it kills them just like rabies does. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 3:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine To make matters worse, raccoons get canine distemper which a lot of people assume is rabies and... On Jan 5, 2012, at 11:31 AM, GRAS wrote: Sorry, in my haste to write, I made a mistake: I meant VIRGINIA! They hunters did that in the late 80s, so the big rabies outbreak in the East happened in the early 90s, almost all the raccoons were killed, whether sick or not. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 12:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine Damn hunters!! That makes me sick. And sooo lame. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jan 5, 2012, at 9:05 AM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: The Mid-Atlantic strain of rabies was brought to the East by hunters, after destroying local raccoons, wanted more raccoons to kill, so they brought them from Virginal and surrounding states. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 9:43 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine I just did some reading on rabies and it appears that mice and other rodents don't carry Rabies. Raccoons foxes and bats look to be the heaviest carriers. The East coast, for some reason is the largest region of raccoons carrying rabies! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2012, at 6:48 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: My vet reccommends evey year, but my guys go outside andbecause I live in th woods, are exposed to raccoon, possum, mice, fox and othes that can pass rabbies on. I am in a quandry, sort of dmned if I do and i I don't. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I'm sure the vets make more money by first giving a 1 year vac. and then giving the 3 year vac a year later. On 01-04, Maureen Olvey wrote: I think I might have mentioned it to you guys before but in case I didn't, studies have shown that the normal 1 year rabies vaccinations will provide immunity for at least 4 years. Interesting huh? I need to check out that group again to see if they've found anything else out or if it actually last longer than the 4 years even. I know they were doing more research studies. Will most vets give the 3 year one to a kitten? Most vets I've been to recommend that the kittens get the 1 year vaccination and then the next year they get the 3 year one. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia .org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemi a.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia .org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia .org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia .org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia .org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
Interestingly, the vaccination is not retro-activethere is a time lapse between the vaccination and the time it takes effect so vaccinating one the day of surgery gives no one protection. On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:26 AM, GRAS wrote: It's really hard for me to understand why a vet wouldn't operate on a cat without vaccinations. What if surgery is imminently required, does he wait until the cat is vaccinated, and then operate, even if it may be dangerous for the cat to wait? This also means that a sick cat would have to be vaccinated, doesn't it? Very odd! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat My vet will not operate if the animal does not have vaccinations up to date and if tey are running a fevor, have open wounds, etc. He treats the wounds, fevor first, then when they are healed, does surgery. Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: I have ALWAYS wondered that! How would they know until the cat never wakes up. I bet it happens more than anyone knows! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2012, at 3:08 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: My veterinarian would NEVER vaccinate a cat that is even slightly under the weather…you are right, how would they know if cats have had any reactions From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I started making it very plain that I did not want the vaccinations at that time..and still had a vet give a rabies shot to a very sick cat. When I expressed my displeasure, the tech informed me that they had never had any trouble with... Given that most cats in this county, including the little one in question, live outside, he would never know. On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Marcia wrote: My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukem ia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukem ia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukem ia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukem ia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
Some vets seem to think enforcing a law that puts the burden of vaccination on the owner is the vets responsibilitynot so. On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:38 AM, Marcia Baronda wrote: My daughter took her cat to the vet in Ohio to get dental work done. The cat is 13, was bottle raised by her, and has NEVER set foot outside. He has no idea what outside is. Yet, they informed her that they would not touch her cat without giving him a rabies vaccine. It is strictly a county law. The next county over didn't require a rabies shot. So, she text me from the vet and said I lied, I told them he had a rabies shot. They let it go at that, thankfully. My daughter was trying to do what she could to keep him from an unnecessary vaccination. And, it worked!! On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:03 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: However, if a cat is strictly indoors, one can easily get away with not giving them rabies vaccines…who would know? From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of Marta Gasper Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 12:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat Neutering won't do a thing to most FeLV+ but vaccinating will to all. It is most stressful being intact and no release. A + kitty should have at most the rabies vaccine and only that one. A FIV+ can have rabies and one another but not FIV/FeLV. And it always depend on at what point(stage) the cat is. I would just give rabies to a symptomatic b/c it is the law and no others, same with FIV. One would think that vets would be aware of it..even staff should be or they shouldn't be working atr a clinic. If pets were people that were killed b/c a nurse gave them the wrong vaccine it is involuntary manslaughter, at least she'd lose her job if not her license, vet clinic staff on the other hand..argh Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Tue, 1/3/12, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 4:48 PM My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Marcia Baronda Baronda Supplies Service, Inc. 1550 S 2700 Rd. Herington, Kansas 67449 Phone: 785-466-2501 Cell:785-230-6499 I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing
Re: [Felvtalk] [FelineLeukemia] Fwd: Los Angeles, CA -- UPDATE: Chipin! Possible Felv+ kitty with bad eye growing every day needs foster/adopter by January 4th [1 Attachment]
These decisions are so difficult and so personal. I am not sure anyone can tell another what to do unless she is involved with the friend in question. I've let one die on her own and was/am very sure it was the right thing to do. I've had one die a few minutes after we left the vets' office.I'll die with my Person and where I am safe and loved ... not with Those People and knew it was right but died inside both times. I am prone to let the friend decide how to leave this world and trust that our relationship is sound enough that we both trust each other to expose our fears and hopes and expectations.I am learning this and I promise that it is painful at times. I hope that my friends understand when I can't do what they think is best and pray that I understand their wishes and have the strength to follow through. These things are so hard...I am not sure there is a right or wrong as long as there is love. On Jan 4, 2012, at 6:27 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Of course, now is too late, but I did not kill even when the 2nd test came back positive. In any case, I would wat until it became necessary and certainly not on HIS it looks like, not really sure diagnosis. I would get another opinion. When my Shalie was diagnosed with hyper active thyroid, I tok he to the vet school at Missouri u. in Columbia for treatment. Brought he ome in 2 weeks and kept her on meds. only when it became obvios that she wold only get worse and suffe, did Dr. Rhodes and i decide to do what was best for her. Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com wrote: I just got this message from Karineh, who took Dolly to yet another vet (two in one day) at the urging of a rescue group that was paying for it: the vet said your best bet is to put her to sleep. he feels there may be some signs of FIP as well due to a flabby belly did a test and saw just a bit of fluids, wasnt sure though. he said the one eye looks to have just grown and grown no matter what you were to do since he feels its felv related and there wouldnt be any treatment other than removal. the other eye is not good either just not big. he said in the near future the other one may need to be removed as well and this doesnt get rid of her problems if she is FELV/FIP + it will go from one to another. he said if you want to wait till you conclude that the send out test was indeed felv then lets wait but without really say what I should do he said her prognosis is poor to bad. This is before the results of retesting for Felv via a lab ELISA and an IFA. From what I understand FIP is almost impossible to diagnose. Also, this vet is not an eye specialist, as far as I know. Does this seem premature to you? She plans to have her killed this (Wednesday, January 4) afternoon, but is soliciting suggestions for alternatives. Do you all kill upon diagnosis (and in this case, *before* diagnosis)? At what point do you euthanize and/or do you let them die on their own? Do sanctuaries take kitties this far along? Are there hospice places for such kitties? The cat must not be in a lot of pain, as none of the vets so far (a total of 3) have given her pain meds. Much thanks for your prompt input, Kathy -- Forwarded message -- From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 8:31 PM Subject: Los Angeles, CA -- UPDATE: Chipin! Possible Felv+ kitty with bad eye growing every day needs foster/adopter by January 4th To: khargrea...@gmail.com Update on Dolly: She went to a vet today and was diagnosed with glaucoma. They did not prescribe pain meds. They did retest for Felv with a lab ELISA and an IFA. This initial vet is referring her to an eye specialist, as she needs further evaluation. She is going to another vet tonight, the bills of which are covered, as far as we understand. However, today's initial bill of $250 needs to be reimbursed to the kind woman who let Karineh use her account. Also, if the eye needs to be removed, an eye specialist's bill will also have to be covered. Karineh has set up a Chipin for expected amounts, which may be lower or higher than the $1,000 goal: http://dollytheorangekitty.chipin.com/dolly-the-orange-kitty-with-horrible-eyes-she-need-an-eye-specialist Any amount will help---even a dollar! Many people have offered to contribute, so now here's your chance! Dolly may still need a foster while Karineh goes out of town for the next couple of days, so you can contact her at Karineh Grigorian petsalon...@yahoo.com if you can foster. Note that although Dolly is tame, she was pulled from a feral colony where there are other tame cats waiting to be pulled. Much thanks and remember to crosspost! -- Forwarded message -- From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com Date: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 1:24 PM Subject: Los Angeles, CA --
Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine
You do the best you can do with the information you have and the circumstances and know that what you do is done with love. I have ferals that have been with each other for long periods of time. I can't isolate those with problems and, even if I could, they would all have been exposed. I won't kill based on a test. I don't test. There is nothing I can do but provide food, water, shelter, spay and neuter + whatever care I can provide..not by any book. It is the best I can do. On Jan 4, 2012, at 6:48 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: My vet reccommends evey year, but my guys go outside andbecause I live in th woods, are exposed to raccoon, possum, mice, fox and othes that can pass rabbies on. I am in a quandry, sort of dmned if I do and i I don't. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I'm sure the vets make more money by first giving a 1 year vac. and then giving the 3 year vac a year later. On 01-04, Maureen Olvey wrote: I think I might have mentioned it to you guys before but in case I didn't, studies have shown that the normal 1 year rabies vaccinations will provide immunity for at least 4 years. Interesting huh? I need to check out that group again to see if they've found anything else out or if it actually last longer than the 4 years even. I know they were doing more research studies. Will most vets give the 3 year one to a kitten? Most vets I've been to recommend that the kittens get the 1 year vaccination and then the next year they get the 3 year one. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
Some jurisdictions accept a vet's letter that an animal is not well enough to receive rabies vaccinations. My vet did this when I had a dog with auto-immune issues. If that doesn't work, the vaccination does not have to be done at the same time as the neuter. My current cats are very health but I stretched their vaccinations and neutering out. More trips to the vet and more expensive but worth it to me. On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Gasper wrote: Neutering won't do a thing to most FeLV+ but vaccinating will to all. It is most stressful being intact and no release. A + kitty should have at most the rabies vaccine and only that one. A FIV+ can have rabies and one another but not FIV/FeLV. And it always depend on at what point(stage) the cat is. I would just give rabies to a symptomatic b/c it is the law and no others, same with FIV. One would think that vets would be aware of it..even staff should be or they shouldn't be working atr a clinic. If pets were people that were killed b/c a nurse gave them the wrong vaccine it is involuntary manslaughter, at least she'd lose her job if not her license, vet clinic staff on the other hand..argh Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Tue, 1/3/12, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 4:48 PM My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
I started making it very plain that I did not want the vaccinations at that time..and still had a vet give a rabies shot to a very sick cat. When I expressed my displeasure, the tech informed me that they had never had any trouble with... Given that most cats in this county, including the little one in question, live outside, he would never know. On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Marcia wrote: My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
I had two females. One was treated as a regular cat, spayed, came home and was kept up and checked on regularly. She was fine, eating and.well fine when I checked her on the second/third night. She was dying in my arms the next morning. A very few months later I had another female, tested for everything, taken to another vet (she was not related to the first girl), spayed and given a lot more care. She came home, was kept up and was dying in my arms the third day. There was no evidence of any problems with either girl. And both vets are great but they are one person practices so they weren't around when I needed them the most. Two cats, two vets..it happens and we can't always predict it. Needless to say, I die inside every time I have a female spayed and have found a multiple vet practice that is a longer way from here and no girl comes home until after the third day. At least she will be near medical care if things go sour Things happen and sometimes there just isn't anything we can do. We do our very best and that is all we can do. On Jan 3, 2012, at 5:07 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote: I would recommend to run a blood work to make sure that everything looks good before the surgery - especially CBC portion as sometimes their WBC/RBC might be a little off - I don't know if it's conincidence or not - I do believe that stress sort of triggered the disease - my completely healthy cat Tsubomi died about a month after the surgery - I think she had lymphoma - but we did not even think of it as she was completely healthy - I was devastated. Hideyo Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:02:48 -0500 From: felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I rescue cats and I've have had many FelV positive cats neutered or spayed. If they are healthy at the time they come thru the surgery just fine regardless of their FelV status. Lorrie On 01-02, dppl dppl wrote: I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
Females can be spayed via laser which is a lot less traumatic. I don't know about males. Personally I would want a private vet who experienced in FeL+ cats.MHO On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:38 AM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote: I have. Have not seen any problem from it, but I do think it could trigger an upper respiratory infection or other problems like any stressful event. The thing is, remaining unneutered is a big source of stress, much bigger in my opinion than the surgery. Keeping an intact male from roaming or mating will result much restlessness and anxiety on his part. Unneutered cats generally have trouble keeping weight on and are less healthy, because so much energy goes into the reproductive system and behavior. Neutered cats are much calmer and healthier. For this reason, I would get him neutered. I have never seen a vet refuse to neuter a positive cat. Even the low-cost clinic we use does it. Michelle -Original Message- From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:26 pm Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Community
Don't forget to check into holistic vets. My regular vets sent me to a holistic vet to supplement treatment (I had been to her numerous times with dogs' neck, back etc issues). The combination was marvelous. Dixie lived a wonderful life until very close to the endthen she died a fairly gentle death on her own terms. All of my guys and gals see Betty Bosewell as soon as possible after coming into my life. I wish I could do this for my ferals but the trip would be impossible. On Dec 28, 2011, at 4:04 PM, Amanda Vollaro wrote: Hi there all, just wanted to introduce myself and start some dialog concerning my cat community. I live out East on Long Island and my town is affected greatly by FIV and FELV cats. I have been a rescuer for 20 years and never seen outbreaks so fearsome. For over 15 years I never had FELV cats (a couple of FIV positives, but never symptomatic). Within the last year I've seen 6 of my cats come down with symptoms resulting in their deaths. Two were middle aged and one was a breeding female who lost the battle with FELV after being stressed by litters. Most of her brood has passed away and I now have four left, 2 from 2 different litters. It's heartbreaking to see them become symptomatic,and I recently lost my favorite in very bad circumstances. What I'm writing about is how to get a vet who knows that cat is FELV to help follow through with antibiotics, steroids, and a triple coctail. No one wants to try steroids as they fear the problems with the liver, but the cats die without them. How can I convince my vet to offer the steroids that they need to absorb the fluids once they start coughing? My last vet left me alone and at my wits end with just antibiotics and an IV D5W. Poor kitty died in the middle of the night due to fluid buildup. It seems to me that the vets out here just don't want to treat FELV cats because they consider it a poor outcome no matter what. Your thoughts? Thanks, Manda ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors
Consider using rubber maid or knock off totes that are larger than standard litter boxes. I really like Odo Ban for odor removal and have had wonderful luck with it. I use vinegar in regular cleaning--- less toxic than many cleaners. On Dec 17, 2011, at 8:38 PM, Lee Evans wrote: Unfortunately more than a few of my rescues think outside of the box or are cross-eyed or something when it comes to pooping. Will the strong vinegar solution work on Eau de Poop, a really unpleasant combination when another cat comes along and douses the blob with a generous helping of Parfume de Piss? I don't much like the odor of vinegar either but it certainly has it all over the air unfreshener the cats produce. I have to admit it's not entirely their fault. I have been away from home to many hours since I and most of the cats were forced to move to another county to save the cats from the horrid gestapo of Animal Control, and the boxes are always a mess, so shame on me. Hop efully once I get the rest of the cats to the new place things will be different. However until then I still don't want to inhale the stuff. From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:55 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors We've actually done half vinegar and half water and yes it can be used on anything. We've actually incorporated the vinegar and water into our weekly cleaning sessions. We fill spray bottles with vinegar and water and spray corners of the rooms and cat trees and everything (hot spots, where cats do bad things) and just spritz it all down and let it sit for 20 minutes or so before going through the normal cleaning routine. After the vinegar and water soak we vaccuum and mop with Dr. Broners peppermit liquid soap, and wipe down surfaces and all. But the vinegar and water really deals with odors well. I have not used it in the washing machine yet but I think I'll be trying that very soon. For the record I have never liked the smell of vinegar. But the vinegar smell dissipates and it really does nutralize odors --- On Fri, 12/16/11, ter...@tazzys.org ter...@tazzys.org wrote: From: ter...@tazzys.org ter...@tazzys.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, December 16, 2011, 9:37 PM When you use vinegar and water what is the measurements?Can it be used on carpets? Thanks! TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUESultan, WA. 98294Terrie Mohr-Forkerhttp://tazzys.org/Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2011 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] urine odorsFrom: GRAS g...@optonline.netDate: Fri, December 16, 2011 7:31 pmTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgWhite vinegar and water mixture is great to get cat pee smell out...where'sthe urine on? carpet, furniture, or just bedding? I also swear by X-O,it's available as an odor neutralizer and also cleaner/odor neutralizer. Itsmells great, comes in concentrated form, and you can dilute however youwish; can also be used as air freshener. -Inline Attachment Follows- ___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp ://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp ://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] please add tigger to list
You gave him so much and he is very grateful. On Nov 18, 2011, at 3:01 PM, john pollack wrote: I lost my little Tigger today, 1 month short of his 5th birthday. FeLV+ since birth. God speed, lil Tigger ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Autumn the cat
Autumn left this world as a precious, loved and cared for being. That is so wonderful. She remains with you even though you can't see her and will visit you when the time is right. It may be as you sleep, when you are the most open to her, but don't dismiss it as a dream and enjoy every second of it. On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:33 AM, Susan Ang wrote: My cat Autumn died last night due to complications arising from Feline Leukemia. She was four years old. In her short life she was a joy to us, a beautiful, highly intelligent little cat. I can't believe she's gone. I had almost fooled myself into believing that I might get to keep her for a very long time, but the disease won. We are grief-stricken. I joined this list in 2007 after searching everywhere for information and support for FELV owners. I'm so glad it exists. I've drawn a lot of support and knowledge over the years - even when just lurking. I just wanted to add Autumn to the list. She was precious, loved to cuddle, watch Baby Einstein and steal pizza. My home will be so empty without her. I love you, baby girl. ~Susan Ang ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me
There are holistic remedies for the gum issues. That was the only sign Dixie showedask questions and seek information. A lot of emails get chopped because they are too long to post---someone else can explain this. On Nov 7, 2011, at 7:33 PM, dppl dppl wrote: thank you all for responding so quickly. when i have more time I will review all archives. I hope i am posting correctly by sending these emails. I see my post is all chopped up (at least in my display ). Thanks for your advice. I guess i will take things day by day. thanks also for the advice to get the other test as a follow up.i can only hope it turns out negative. I am worried about the redness of his gums which he is on an antibiotic for. Vet attributed it to gingivitis and teething but this was pre finding out the positive test results. From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 6:52 PM Subject: stray kitten positive any advice for me I came across this site, having just been informed by the vet that the abandoned kitten I took in three weeks ago. Before I took it to the vet, I have been keeping it in a separate room but admit that since it seemed so healthy I let it out for little walks. I have 4 cats over 12 years old. Other than walking on the same floors, they have not had contact with this kitten. In our short phone call, the vet basically said that she would understand if I euthanized the cat and that she wasn't sure about false positive and whether retesting would be worthwhile. The cat also has hookworms. When I took the cat in, she suggested that I give it its vaccinations before waiting for test results. I asked if the cat turned out postitive, wouldn't this harm its immune system. she said no. Now when she called she said she was surprised that the cat tested positive since, other than the sore gums, which she attirbuted to teething and bad breath, she said it seemed healthy. It does seem healthy , eats well and plays. and is the sweetest cat, loving and intelligent. I am heartbroken about this. I'm sorry I haven't had time to read all archives but I work from home and also take care of my bedridden elderly mother. Is there anyone out there would be kind enough to give me some advice? Thank you. PS the test done was elisa and it just says positive the vet estimates the cat is from 5-6 months old. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
Factory farmed animals need protection too. I understand that chickens can be caged with as little as 12 inches of space, with their beaks cut off, etc while veal calves have little or no room to move since that leads to muscles and less tender meat. Talk about sick. On Sep 15, 2011, at 10:40 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote: Sick bastards.sorry but that's mild compared to what I'd really like to say. The HSUS does a lot of good work. Maybe someday soon they will tackle this one. My state rep tried to tell me (in a form letter of course) that animals have enough protection. If he's that stupid or thinks I am, then it scares me that he's in the position he's in! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 15, 2011, at 5:12 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I have a video of this, and it’s amazing, when we showed it in a lobby of an auditorium before a vote was taken on hiring these paid guns, very few people wanted to look, and if they did, they said that the deer must be killed, so what difference does it make on how….. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters How horrible. On Sep 15, 2011, at 10:03 AM, Natalie wrote: It’s legal for some, like the hired guns, sharpshooters; they bait the area for weeks before, then come in at night, have bright lights, and all the deer just walk up to the slaughter. If they’re not dead, they put a plastic bag over their heads to finish them off, while they drag them away, still kicking….Or the use a large net that drops on a bunch of deer in a baited area, they really struggle, while they shoot them (not easy to aim well at a thrashing animal!) There’s such great sportsmanship involved, it’s hard to respect or even like these guys! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 4:20 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters They call it baiting in Ky and it is illegal here...doesn't keep people from doing it though. On Sep 14, 2011, at 9:22 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote: thats entrapment, and i think it's illegal as hell! On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were so many deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them. In fact, I worked for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and have a pile of corn on the ground, wait for the deer to start eating and shoot it. It made me sick and I certainly gave him my opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful animals. - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters On 09-12, dot winkler wrote: Hysterical! L.O.L. I love it. The thing is, yes, some of them hunt and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At least they are eating the deer. But the thing is, the animal is so beautiful a creature to behold and so delicate. How can anyone have the heart to kill them? They are graceful and grace our woods and lands. To see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking sight. I don't see how anyone could do it. _ I could never kill a deer. Many deer come to our yard, and they are so beautiful. Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them. It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected. She still comes to our house, and still keeps up with her group. She's an amazing, brave little doe and we call her Tripod. Lorrie Tripod and she in our yard ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Marcia Baronda Baronda Supplies Service, Inc. 1550 S 2700 Rd. Herington, Kansas 67449 Phone: 785-466-2501 Cell:785-230-6499 I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist
Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
They call it baiting in Ky and it is illegal here...doesn't keep people from doing it though. On Sep 14, 2011, at 9:22 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote: thats entrapment, and i think it's illegal as hell! On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were so many deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them. In fact, I worked for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and have a pile of corn on the ground, wait for the deer to start eating and shoot it. It made me sick and I certainly gave him my opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful animals. - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters On 09-12, dot winkler wrote: Hysterical! L.O.L. I love it. The thing is, yes, some of them hunt and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At least they are eating the deer. But the thing is, the animal is so beautiful a creature to behold and so delicate. How can anyone have the heart to kill them? They are graceful and grace our woods and lands. To see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking sight. I don't see how anyone could do it. _ I could never kill a deer. Many deer come to our yard, and they are so beautiful. Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them. It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected. She still comes to our house, and still keeps up with her group. She's an amazing, brave little doe and we call her Tripod. Lorrie Tripod and she in our yard ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Marcia Baronda Baronda Supplies Service, Inc. 1550 S 2700 Rd. Herington, Kansas 67449 Phone: 785-466-2501 Cell:785-230-6499 I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do. Don Hamilton DVM ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
How horrible. On Sep 15, 2011, at 10:03 AM, Natalie wrote: It’s legal for some, like the hired guns, sharpshooters; they bait the area for weeks before, then come in at night, have bright lights, and all the deer just walk up to the slaughter. If they’re not dead, they put a plastic bag over their heads to finish them off, while they drag them away, still kicking….Or the use a large net that drops on a bunch of deer in a baited area, they really struggle, while they shoot them (not easy to aim well at a thrashing animal!) There’s such great sportsmanship involved, it’s hard to respect or even like these guys! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 4:20 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters They call it baiting in Ky and it is illegal here...doesn't keep people from doing it though. On Sep 14, 2011, at 9:22 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote: thats entrapment, and i think it's illegal as hell! On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were so many deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them. In fact, I worked for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and have a pile of corn on the ground, wait for the deer to start eating and shoot it. It made me sick and I certainly gave him my opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful animals. - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters On 09-12, dot winkler wrote: Hysterical! L.O.L. I love it. The thing is, yes, some of them hunt and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At least they are eating the deer. But the thing is, the animal is so beautiful a creature to behold and so delicate. How can anyone have the heart to kill them? They are graceful and grace our woods and lands. To see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking sight. I don't see how anyone could do it. _ I could never kill a deer. Many deer come to our yard, and they are so beautiful. Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them. It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected. She still comes to our house, and still keeps up with her group. She's an amazing, brave little doe and we call her Tripod. Lorrie Tripod and she in our yard ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Marcia Baronda Baronda Supplies Service, Inc. 1550 S 2700 Rd. Herington, Kansas 67449 Phone: 785-466-2501 Cell:785-230-6499 I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do. Don Hamilton DVM ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)
That was my impression. From the cats' point of view, they are a lot better off--safer, fed, sheltered. I hope they are s/n. On Sep 13, 2011, at 4:36 AM, molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: I haven't read all the literature or watched the videos about his place but I was under the impression that it is set up to be a sanctuary not a rescue or shelter type situation. Most of his cats weren't pets but homeless cats that were living on the streets anyway. So his place is probably better than living on the street. Probably also has ferals that were at a pound ready to be executed because they're not adoptable. He also takes in ferals that can no longer live at the colony location. sent from my ATT Smartphone by HTC - Reply message - From: dlgegg dlg...@windstream.net Date: Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:08 pm Subject: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I thought about this too, but he might not let me bring them in the house because I felt guilty leaving them outside. Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: This man has put a lot of time and effort into this! This is a wonderful heartfelt endeavor. He must really love his cats. They certainly look healthy to me. I applaud him! I may just marry him(-: Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 11, 2011, at 4:22 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Check out the video in Atia's message. I did and when I was viewing his video, I checked out another from a girl who had pictures that suggested it was not so good. It was good that they get food and have houses to sleep in and it is fenced, but just with a normal cyclone fence that cats and coyotes cold easily get over. And with that many cats and not much help in the caring department, it is hard to see how he could keep up with who is sick,hurt. His video also said he bears most of the cost with some donations to help. I also worry about who will take over when he dies since he doesn't look like a youngster. Does he have provisions for continuing care of the cats. Also, if people take their pets to him expecting them to get the same care they gave them, would they? My guys go outside for 2 or 3 hour in the day but they are inside at night and bad weather days. The are used to sleeping on my memory foam bed and me. I do not think they would be happy there. Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: Seems like I read the woman in CA does have her property fenced in. She doesn't actually have as much acreage as this other guy. She has a staff of like 25 people. I never heard that about the other guy so who knows if his property is fenced in. But it seems like he takes in ferals and homeless cats who have absolutely nowhere else to go so even if it isn't an ideal home situation those cats are a lot better off with him. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 21:21:51 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-) Isn't that in Florida? All little houses; but how does one keep track of them out there, and so many, how can he know who's sick? Don't they get out? Is it all fenced in? I had so many questions when I saw the video Man builds cat-sized village for homeless cats: http://green.yahoo.com/blog/guest_bloggers/69/man-builds-cat-sized-village-for-homeless-cats.html . There's also a woman in CA, I think, who has 600 cats - looks like a great place. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 8:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-) I could sell my place and move there. I only have 7 cats and if they dn't get alog well with yours, I could build them an outdoor day time house. At night they could sleep in my bedroom like they do now. I wouldn't mind takin on a few more cats. Or waht about this guy in Oregon who bought 600 acres of an old tree farm. He takes in strays, unwanteds and lets the roam the 600 acres. He builds all kinds of houses for them to sleep in and spends the day checking up on them and giving each one some loving. longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: ___ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Miller
On Sep 13, 2011, at 5:43 PM, MaiMaiPG wrote: I do not know anything about the AC listed but I really believe in it. My guys have the opportunity to talk to ACs when there are important things going on. Luckily, I have some friends who do this. I encourage you to consider AC. You may find out a lot of things. Also, please put yourself in your friend's paws...literally. What would you really, in the depth of your heart and soul, really want? You may find this exercise helpful in framing your own future decisions. On Sep 13, 2011, at 11:39 AM, Natalie wrote: I know what you mean…how would you feel about contacting a fantastic animal communicator in CA and see what Miller wants and would prefer? I just spoke to her about a renal failure cat that I want to make sure that it’s the right time for euthanasia this afternoon. Maybe the trade-off to a shorter but happier life is better than a prolonged one with vet visits and shots, which Miller obviously doesn’t seem to enjoy! That’s how I feel about people’s lives, too! Her name is Lisa Larson, at the very bottom, is a contact line…she is also the most reasonable, and last year, even kept calling me to find out how one of our cats was doing who had cancer. I’ve known some who count every second to get paid for…not Lisa! Everyone who asked for her help, was very pleased! I highly recommend her as being absolutely fantastic, caring, and knows what she’s doing. Although her schedule today is filled, she squeezed in some time to contact Fraidie, from photos I sent her. If we euthanize Fraidie this afternoon, we will speak on the phone and contact her from across the rainbow bridge. Animal Communicator, Animal Medium, Reiki Master Lisa Larson is an animal communicator, Reiki Master and Kahi practitioner. Includes a forum, description of sessions and fees and personal profile. Encinitas, California. pawstalk.net - Cached From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 11:06 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avery Please add to the CLS :*( We bought the oral chemo pills and I spoke to the doctor about Miller and unfortunately, his is rather progressed and she said, on average, cats can live another 6 months on the oral meds and up to 2-3 years with the injectible chemo drugs. We are going to try the injections this week and see how he does. Once Frank comes home from the road, he can go home twice a day to administer the eye meds Miller needs so I won't have to chase him down, put him in a carrier and take him to the vet's office to stay all day :( I just keep wondering if we are doing the right thing. I don't want his last days with us to be ones filled with vet visits and fear :( Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:35:17 -0400 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
Yupbut feel a lot better about hunters who kill for food than for factory farmers. On Sep 12, 2011, at 3:07 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I would have to be very hungry before I could look into those big brown eyes and then pull the trigger. Haveto make it on berries. Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com wrote: I don't like the idea of hunting for sport either. Makes me sick. I have less of a problem with the ones who eat what they killbut still. I'd rather be a vegetarian than kill for meat any day. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Lorriemailto:felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters Oh how I hate hunters. They are not conservationists, but murderers. No hunting is allowed in our resort community, but we can hear them in the surrounding areas getting ready for the killing, which they think of as sport! I love it when I read in the paper about hunting accidents where some jerk head hunter shot his buddy instead of the deer!! Lorrie On 09-12, Natalie wrote: What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to themselves, and are referred to as the only real conservationists...what a joke! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] BreAnne left today
I am so sorry it was difficult.just know that she understands and loves you for all the caring you gave her. On Sep 12, 2011, at 5:21 PM, Natalie wrote: I am so sorry about BreAnne- Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of czadna sacarawicz Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 5:56 PM To: feline leukemia list Subject: [Felvtalk] BreAnne left today hopefully to meet ToriRose and Isaac at the Bridge. The local vet's euthanisia was really ugly. It happens. ( I thought it would be easier for her rather than riding for 45 minutes). The local vet was no stranger to her. She had had fluids the previous 3 Saturdays. Our usual vet was not able to give her as much fluids Saturday because of her breathing. I came home and let her out and she disappeared into the woods, coming back when it got dark. I put her on the patio to rest Sunday morning. She lay there awhile and left and again returned in the darkness as I trusted she would though I began calling her in midafternoon. Mama (no relation to her) washed her last night. Physically, it was time. You had counseled me that I would know. Some of you know a rough translation of a Rumi poem Whoever brought me to the tavern will have to take me home. BreAnne was an alpha female - - just over 2 years old. Her playmate ToriRose left in February 2010. Isaac left in February 2011. She got really thin last fall and then rebounded. You helped me with her this spring when she quit eating and then decided to eat only Fancy Feast beef. She rebounded in July. will leave it there. Remaining positives are Mama and Luscious and Shallie Jean and Hope. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
And brag about poaching? On Sep 12, 2011, at 3:05 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Around here, they are just good ole boys having some fun and since most are good ole boys, like doctors they all stick together and nevr point the finger at one of our own. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Emus? Where do you live? What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to themselves, and are referred to as the only real conservationists...what a joke! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 10:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! Anyone who would even think about messing with one of my animals, will be one sorry SOB. A couple years ago someone shot two of my emus. Just for the he'll of it. A male sitting on eggs,and a little female that I was nursing back to health. Broke my heart. Offered reward, never found out who did it. People drunk, shooting from the road. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 11, 2011, at 7:49 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Yes, around here cats and dogs provide good practice shots just before the season. Someone said they were going to come to my house for some practice shots. I told them I would shoot them the minute they tried t shoot my cats. Of course they said they were just kidding and I said that had better be the truth because if one of my cats nded up shot, I wold come looking for them and after I shot them I would sue them for all I could get. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I think it's as usual, protests from veterinarians (who have no business being vets) because it provides a good income! Why do Hunting groups object to spaying and neutering? Why is there a push by the government and supported by hunting groups, to eliminate all stray cats by trapping, bowhunting, firearm hunting? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 8:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! I took a look at the list of countries that do not allow declawing. Why is the US always behind in this sort of issue? Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: I'm from the Netherlands. Its illegal to declaw there. People who want to have it done anyway will bring them to Belgium to have it done. :-/ On Aug 29, 2011 12:25 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them about declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or suggest they adopt an already declawed cat. I don't agree with having laws against declawing. I think you will just end up with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I think education is the best way to get people away from declawing. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to declaw - BUT - I DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats that I place in homes (as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the life of the cat. I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that adopted from a shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a month to clip the cat's nails. She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY it is inhumane - even after I explained it to herbut - it really doesn't matter. She is allowing her cat to keep it's nails a long as I clip them - so- I'm willing to do that. Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground! - even if it did cost you an apt. and job. Good kharma will be the pay off for you! Tamara --- On Sat, 8/27/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 9:44 AM A question about which states do NOT allow declawing: http://cats.about.com/od/declawing/f/uslaws.htm A list of countries where declawing is illegal: http://www.declawing.com/list.html From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Paws come with claws. Period. I once lost a job opportunity (which came with a free apartment)
Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)
For the present it looks like a good alternative for the cats...don't know about the future. The cats who hang out at Mom's don't get the medical care my guys get because they have to be trapped and that can take days or even weeks. They get good food but not specialized and they have shelter if they chose to use it. They have been s/n and released and we have lost a lot of them but we have some in the colony who have been there for about 10 years. We do the best we can. The little guys who live with me came from this colony as tiny kittens. So did Dixie, Kitty and TK. Some want to be inside cats and some don't---or want to think about it. I don't know what happens after Mom leaves this world. I have primary caregiving duties and will do the best I can. They are very independent cats. I guess we just have to do the best we can. On Sep 11, 2011, at 4:22 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Check out the video in Atia's message. I did and when I was viewing his video, I checked out another from a girl who had pictures that suggested it was not so good. It was good that they get food and have houses to sleep in and it is fenced, but just with a normal cyclone fence that cats and coyotes cold easily get over. And with that many cats and not much help in the caring department, it is hard to see how he could keep up with who is sick,hurt. His video also said he bears most of the cost with some donations to help. I also worry about who wsome who have been in the ill take over when he dies since he doesn't look like a youngster. Does he have provisions for continuing care of the cats. Also, if people take their pets to him expecting them to get the same care they gave them, would they? My guys go outside for 2 or 3 hour in the day but they are inside at night and bad weather days. The are used to sleeping on my memory foam bed and me. I do not think they would be happy there. Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: Seems like I read the woman in CA does have her property fenced in. She doesn't actually have as much acreage as this other guy. She has a staff of like 25 people. I never heard that about the other guy so who knows if his property is fenced in. But it seems like he takes in ferals and homeless cats who have absolutely nowhere else to go so even if it isn't an ideal home situation those cats are a lot better off with him. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 21:21:51 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-) Isn't that in Florida? All little houses; but how does one keep track of them out there, and so many, how can he know who's sick? Don't they get out? Is it all fenced in? I had so many questions when I saw the video Man builds cat-sized village for homeless cats: http://green.yahoo.com/blog/guest_bloggers/69/man-builds-cat-sized-village-for-homeless-cats.html . There's also a woman in CA, I think, who has 600 cats - looks like a great place. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 8:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-) I could sell my place and move there. I only have 7 cats and if they dn't get alog well with yours, I could build them an outdoor day time house. At night they could sleep in my bedroom like they do now. I wouldn't mind takin on a few more cats. Or waht about this guy in Oregon who bought 600 acres of an old tree farm. He takes in strays, unwanteds and lets the roam the 600 acres. He builds all kinds of houses for them to sleep in and spends the day checking up on them and giving each one some loving. longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)
:52:14 -0500 From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-) That is what really worries me. I am in pretty god shape, but accidents do happen. That is why we have to have everything worked out now, including the woever gets my cat(s) to let them know about thir prsonality, food, etc. MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: Amen On Sep 9, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Natalie wrote: We don't have to be older to check out, we could be hit by a bus any dayyoung or old - therefore all of us should have a serious contingency plan for emergencies! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 5:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-) Hey, I love you two!!! I wish you really could move here when the time comes. I am in fairly good health for 78, so I don't plan on checkin' out anytime soon, but I worry about my cats a lot because it could happen. . For the record my three kids are older than you two girls. My son is 56, middle daughter 54 and youngest daughter just turned 50. All of them adore cats, but they already have a bunch of their own. My youngest daughter has 11 cats, and the others have a several cats and dogs. I know they wouldn't just dump my cats, because they are great kids, but they would have a problem taking all 15 of mine. . Now just in case you two are really thinking of coming here you can look up www.alpinelakeresort.com It's in the eastern mountains of WV just ten miles from the Maryland border. Summers here are wonderful with temperatures seldom above 75 - 80, but beware, in the winter we get LOTS of snow. Anyway, regardless of whether we ever meet, thanks for giving me some hope for the future of my kitty kats. BTW, Maureen, my cats like strange people, I'm pretty damn strange myself :-). Lorrie On 09-09, Maureen Olvey wrote: See Lorrie - now everything has been worked out! So tell your three kids if they don't get off their butts and offer to take your babies in that you're going to have two strange women (well, I'm strange anyway) living in your house taking care of your animals. And we're not going to let them come enjoy the lake either!!! From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 09:47:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-) Lorrie, I like the way Maureen thinks! I can help Maureen take care of all of your cats, I love her idea even though she's kidding. It would be a great place to retire and between the two of us, we can take care of all the furry babies! Afterall, I will be 47 next month :0) L ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukem ia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukem ia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia .org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)
Amen On Sep 9, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Natalie wrote: We don't have to be older to check out, we could be hit by a bus any dayyoung or old - therefore all of us should have a serious contingency plan for emergencies! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 5:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-) Hey, I love you two!!! I wish you really could move here when the time comes. I am in fairly good health for 78, so I don't plan on checkin' out anytime soon, but I worry about my cats a lot because it could happen. . For the record my three kids are older than you two girls. My son is 56, middle daughter 54 and youngest daughter just turned 50. All of them adore cats, but they already have a bunch of their own. My youngest daughter has 11 cats, and the others have a several cats and dogs. I know they wouldn't just dump my cats, because they are great kids, but they would have a problem taking all 15 of mine. . Now just in case you two are really thinking of coming here you can look up www.alpinelakeresort.com It's in the eastern mountains of WV just ten miles from the Maryland border. Summers here are wonderful with temperatures seldom above 75 - 80, but beware, in the winter we get LOTS of snow. Anyway, regardless of whether we ever meet, thanks for giving me some hope for the future of my kitty kats. BTW, Maureen, my cats like strange people, I'm pretty damn strange myself :-). Lorrie On 09-09, Maureen Olvey wrote: See Lorrie - now everything has been worked out! So tell your three kids if they don't get off their butts and offer to take your babies in that you're going to have two strange women (well, I'm strange anyway) living in your house taking care of your animals. And we're not going to let them come enjoy the lake either!!! From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 09:47:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-) Lorrie, I like the way Maureen thinks! I can help Maureen take care of all of your cats, I love her idea even though she's kidding. It would be a great place to retire and between the two of us, we can take care of all the furry babies! Afterall, I will be 47 next month :0) L ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)
I can hear all the justifications...she wouldn't want...they aren't happy...we just can't...we are allergic (suddenly)...they are shredding the furnitureshe wouldn't want the farm to go to wastewe just can't..the hopes/plans are that my friend will be able to hire and supervise someone to live in my home and care for them. After the little ones leave this world, the plans are that the farm go to a rescue/charity. Sub-dividing the farm would be a big temptation. Add in logging and...nopenot my family On Sep 9, 2011, at 5:18 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: As much as I love my family, I would not trust them with my cats. They or ther spouces are not cat lovers and I would never feel easy leaving my babies with them. Like you say, they could take the money and dump the cats. That is why I would rather trust strangers who have already committed themselves to caring for unwanted cats. At least their hearts are in the rght place. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 09-08, Bonnie Hogue wrote: For most of us, it is not just finding a trustworthy care giver, it's having enough money to provide for them and the cats. If you have property (and other wealth) this could make all the difference for your feline family. I don't know about you, but I always feel nobody loves them like I do...which may be true, but to ensure they're cared for is a burden relieved. ~Bonnie I know what you mean about thinking no one can love them like I do, and I also worry about someone taking what money they get for each cat and then dumping the cat and spending the money. I am not wealthy, just comfortable from a small inheritance my parents left me. I have to be careful with my money, but I have enough saved up for the care of my cats. It's the person who will care for them that's my huge concern. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)
Not that I know about. Frankly, I don't trust my family enough to trust my most precious friends to them therefore I have an agreement with a friend to manage the trust until I figure out something else. There was a conversation on this site a while back. You might check the archieves. On Sep 8, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Gloria Lane wrote: I'm kindly pondering how to do that. Any web sites that address that I wonder? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 8, 2011, at 8:00 AM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: I've provided for the care of my critters (dogs and cats and whatever may show up) in my will. Everything is in trust to be used for their care until they all leave this world. On Sep 8, 2011, at 6:40 AM, Lorrie wrote: On 09-07, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: It was the same with my Annie. When her owner who was in hospice learned that they had found her a good home, she passed the next day. She knew her baby was safe so she could go. If I did not have a safe haven for my babies to go to, I guess I wuld just have to NOT die. If I did not know thy would be secure and safe, I would not rest in peace. I think I would be like Annie's owner was. If you cannot find her a good home, put her to sleep. Any port in a storm is not a good port, it has to be safe and secure. I am going to have to live forever!! I have 15 cats and my family (three grown kids) can each take two, but I'm not able to find anyone to take the rest of my cats. I've been on google for days searching out sanctuaries in the east, and so far all are FULL. I'll keep trying, but I'm getting so discouraged. These cats were all rescued kitties and they've been thru a lot before I found them. I love them very much and I'm worried sick about what will become of them. I have money for their care, but no one has offered to take one. I'm now 78 and my husband is almost 90. I need to find homes, and I am offering $1,000 per cat. Do any of you have any ideas what I can do? Lorrie in eastern WV almost to the Maryland border ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)
There are some books out but I don't know titlesmaybe google for providing for pets after death? On Sep 8, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Gloria Lane wrote: I'm kindly pondering how to do that. Any web sites that address that I wonder? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 8, 2011, at 8:00 AM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: I've provided for the care of my critters (dogs and cats and whatever may show up) in my will. Everything is in trust to be used for their care until they all leave this world. On Sep 8, 2011, at 6:40 AM, Lorrie wrote: On 09-07, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: It was the same with my Annie. When her owner who was in hospice learned that they had found her a good home, she passed the next day. She knew her baby was safe so she could go. If I did not have a safe haven for my babies to go to, I guess I wuld just have to NOT die. If I did not know thy would be secure and safe, I would not rest in peace. I think I would be like Annie's owner was. If you cannot find her a good home, put her to sleep. Any port in a storm is not a good port, it has to be safe and secure. I am going to have to live forever!! I have 15 cats and my family (three grown kids) can each take two, but I'm not able to find anyone to take the rest of my cats. I've been on google for days searching out sanctuaries in the east, and so far all are FULL. I'll keep trying, but I'm getting so discouraged. These cats were all rescued kitties and they've been thru a lot before I found them. I love them very much and I'm worried sick about what will become of them. I have money for their care, but no one has offered to take one. I'm now 78 and my husband is almost 90. I need to find homes, and I am offering $1,000 per cat. Do any of you have any ideas what I can do? Lorrie in eastern WV almost to the Maryland border ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)
I have a close friend who is as much an animal lover as I am who will handle it. On Sep 8, 2011, at 5:54 PM, Lorrie wrote: On 09-08, Gloria Lane wrote: I'm kindly pondering how to do that. Any web sites that address that I wonder? There are many cat sanctuaries listed on the web, but most are full. Then too, many fail and become like hoarding places because they take in too many cats to care for properly. It is truly difficult to find a good sanctuary, but I'll keep trying. If I knew who would take care of my 15 cats I'd give them my house which is a lovely home in a resort area on a lake. It has been built around the needs of my cats, and has three outside enclosures they can access from the inside via cat flaps. It is also in the woods on several acres with no traffic. It is a paradise for my cats, and I just wish someone could let them continue the happy life they know and love. I will not go to my grave and be at peace until I know my babies are taken care of. Lorrie On Sep 8, 2011, at 8:00 AM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: I've provided for the care of my critters (dogs and cats and whatever may show up) in my will. Everything is in trust to be used for their care until they all leave this world. WHO WILL HANDLE YOUR TRUST AND BE SURE YOUR CATS ARE CARED FOR? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)
And yes, something could go wrong but it is the best I can figure out right now. I had a lawyer draw up the documents and believe they are in order. However, I keep looking for a way to improve it. On Sep 8, 2011, at 5:54 PM, Lorrie wrote: On 09-08, Gloria Lane wrote: I'm kindly pondering how to do that. Any web sites that address that I wonder? There are many cat sanctuaries listed on the web, but most are full. Then too, many fail and become like hoarding places because they take in too many cats to care for properly. It is truly difficult to find a good sanctuary, but I'll keep trying. If I knew who would take care of my 15 cats I'd give them my house which is a lovely home in a resort area on a lake. It has been built around the needs of my cats, and has three outside enclosures they can access from the inside via cat flaps. It is also in the woods on several acres with no traffic. It is a paradise for my cats, and I just wish someone could let them continue the happy life they know and love. I will not go to my grave and be at peace until I know my babies are taken care of. Lorrie On Sep 8, 2011, at 8:00 AM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: I've provided for the care of my critters (dogs and cats and whatever may show up) in my will. Everything is in trust to be used for their care until they all leave this world. WHO WILL HANDLE YOUR TRUST AND BE SURE YOUR CATS ARE CARED FOR? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Biocoat - contains B12 and more
FYI: I have left cats behind locked doors with signs and promises as to what would happen if any one let a cat outI have had people, especially construction and cleaning people, find a way to unlock the door and totally disregard what they were toldwe had to...we were watching...we caught him. The worst offenders have been people who have been compliant for months then decide they know more than I do about my cats. The more I have trusted workers the more they have endangered my critters. On Sep 5, 2011, at 11:45 AM, Natalie wrote: When and why was your door left open door open? If we had to leave this house, we wouldn’t allow anyone to leave doors open, should they have to work in there! I threaten workers with a penalty worse than death, should they allow any cat to get out. If doors were left open around here, believe me, they’d run out spooked….,and I’d have to track them down, some would have to be trapped - it would be a nightmare! Don’t even want to think about that. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of CATHERINE DIDONNA Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 12:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Biocoat - contains B12 and more last week,or the week before,the same day as the earthquake in NY.I had a gas pipe break on my street . The fireman knocked on everyones door:we had to leave our homes.I didn't want to leave my cats. He said I had to get out. He also said no cats got out when the door was open. I left my house,blessed myelf,and askedGod to let me be OK,and let the house be OK:so I could take care of my furry family. I have more than 30 cats.But, anyway, I wish I was in jamies,or a gown. If yousaw the N Y firemen you would understand.SMILE --- On Mon, 9/5/11, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Biocoat - contains B12 and more To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, September 5, 2011, 1:35 AM Biotin? I take it myself and get it at Walmart. Same thing? On 9/4/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: True - that was my worst worry, that windows might be smashed and cats could get out.. I slept dressed that one night, because I wanted to be ready should anything happen.can you imagine being caught in an emergency in a night gown or jammies? From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 1:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Biocoat - contains B12 and more Natalie I am glad you and yours are OK! I'll bet you were extra worried just because of the little lives that are in your hands. I know that when we are in a tornado warning or anything that could affect my animals, that's all I can focus on , is keeping them safe! So glad you are OK(-: Marcia On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I also use, and must reorder some Biotin from Nickers International. It's a great supplement that contains the right amount of B12, and more, and cats like it mixed into their food. http://www.nickersinternational.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=04016 http://www.nickersinternational.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=04016Sh ow=ExtInfo Sho w=ExtInfo Description/Instructions/Ingredients Nutritional supplement rich in biotin (6 mg per tsp), an essential B vitamin and nutritional enzyme for the synthesis of fatty acids - important building blocks for skin and coat. Biotin helps metabolize carbohydrates and proteins, maximizing the nutritional value of your pet's diet. Pet owners feed biotin for dry skin, constant scratching and dull thinning coat. A safe, economical and effective alternative to prednisone and antihistamines. Makes your pet look and feel the way nature intended! Great tasting and easy to feed. No artificial colors, flavors or preservatives. Feed every day. Sprinkle on food or mix into food. The enclosed 1/4 teaspoon contains 1.5 mg (1500mcg) of biotin. Dogs under 30 lbs. and all cats: 1/4 teaspoon each day. Dogs over 30 lbs: 1/4 teaspoon for every 30 lbs. of body weight each day. A double lever may be safely given to pregnant and lactating pets. Best when used with tender loving care! Ingredients: Primary dried yeast, biotin, malto dextrin. Guaranteed Analysis per ounce: Crude Protein 42 % (Min) Crude Fat.. 4 % (Min) Crude FIber.. 4 % (Max) Moisture...4 % (Max) Ash... 4 % (Max) Calcium. 0.05 % (Min) 0.07 % (Max) Phosphorus... 0.87 % (Min) Salt... 0.027 % (Min) 0.033 % (Max) Minerals (Min): Potassium: 1.78 % Magnesium:0.12 % Zinc: 5 mg Iron:
Re: [Felvtalk] Hemy has a home
You have done goodHemy is home and your aunt was able to leave this world knowing her beloved friends were safe, sound and loved. On Sep 5, 2011, at 12:31 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Just an update on that little “feral” cat I took from my dear aunt’s house…. After going to Forgotten Felines for spay (already spayed), partial tail amputation and general health check, “Hemy” lived in a pen on my deck for nearly a month. I would get my upper body in the pen and we would have a ‘love fest’ of petting, purring, head-butting and cuddling. Clearly: not a feral cat. So I left the pen door open yesterday. She sniffed all around the yard, circled several times, returned to the pen to eat and sleep in her favorite bed. I called FF about finding her a home, but I think this is her home, and I’m her person. I love this little cat. I suspect she has some health issues, but I’m delighted to give her a home and in return have her friendship. By the way, my dear aunt passed away on Aug. 24. I visited her the evening before and she said then the same thing she said every time I saw her: “I’m so GLAD you have the cats.” Then she’d ask about them and I’d tell her how each one was doing and how wonderful they are. It was obviously important to her that her animals were being cared for, and I think the fact that it was me (‘in the family’ and a known cat lover) helped. I’m happy that my taking her cats made her happy and gave her a little peace in her time of transition. ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Renters
Check the law before you set age limits, kid limits, etc. It may differ from place to place and situation to situation On Aug 29, 2011, at 5:54 AM, Lorrie wrote: On 08-28, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: That sounds like a good idea. RE: rental, have you had good luck with the people you rent to? Can you specify no loud music after a certain hour, only people in you age range? I've had some good and some bad luck. The people who gave the place the horrible flea infestation had several cats and a big lab dog. The dog brought in the fleas when she went outside, and since they were very lax about flea control the place became horribly infested. They were also slobs and hoarders and the dog crapped on the floor because they didn't walk her often enough. Cleaning up the place after them was a nightmare! After that I had a very neat renter who kept the place spotless and had one cat and a cute little short haired dog who was kept flea free. She left a few months ago, and since then we've been renovating the apt. It's just about finished and I'm advertising it soon, as it must rented by winter so I don't have to pay the utilities :-( As for loud music etc. It's no problem because the apartment is not in my house. It's on the second story of the big two story building I bought in town. The first floor is my cat shelter. I made it into a home like setting for my overflow of rescued cats. It has furniture, climbing posts, window ledges, and large cat condos. There are many rooms for the cats to run around in, NO CAGES, so they really good have a good life. I wish they all had individual homes, but I know they'd be dead by now if I hadn't taken them in as they were all abandoned when I rescued them. It has cost me a small fortune to buy this building and heat it, plus the money I spend for vet bills, food and litter is several hundred dollars a month, but it's what I want to do with a small inheritance my parents left me. Ironically, my parents were not animal people, and I often wonder how they'd feel about the way I'm spending the interest from my inheritance. Lorrie Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Well, you could enforce the no-flea rule by insisting that the dog is treated with proof. You could even charge the extra amount for flea products and just hand it to them. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
On Aug 29, 2011, at 3:36 PM, MaiMaiPG wrote: Education can get people to look for alternatives...the more education, the harder (hopefully) they will look. I really believe that there are times it is best for the cat--sorry, I know a lot of you disagree--and my boys have their claws as have most of my cats. The boys were tiny when they adopted me and we have had numerous lessons and I buy things that are difficult to harm/I won't be devastated if they are scratched etc. There are two 8 foot pieces of foam insulation in the garage that they have claimed and there are several doorways (rustic log house, plank trim, if they ever scratch through a piece I'll spend $70-80 and replace it). People need to think things out. If possessions are that important then maybe they need fish or a ..And yes, I have a lot of very nice things that would break my heart to loose. They are in glass cabinets or are not reachable. Unfortunately, a lot of people think these little guys are disposable and without a soul. I feel sorry for those people. On Aug 29, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Beth wrote: Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them about declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or suggest they adopt an already declawed cat. I don't agree with having laws against declawing. I think you will just end up with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I think education is the best way to get people away from declawing. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal! I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to declaw - BUT - I DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats that I place in homes (as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the life of the cat. I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that adopted from a shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a month to clip the cat's nails. She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY it is inhumane - even after I explained it to herbut - it really doesn't matter. She is allowing her cat to keep it's nails a long as I clip them - so- I'm willing to do that. Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground! - even if it did cost you an apt. and job. Good kharma will be the pay off for you! Tamara - ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
Some do...at least to a degree. One vet I asked charges almost $250 for a rabies titer and it has to be repeated yearly. On Aug 27, 2011, at 10:43 AM, Natalie wrote: I wish that states would accept a titer, and allow vaccinations accordingly. But I sup[pose [people may not want to pay the extra money for it. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of molvey...@hotmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 10:40 AM To: I wish that states would accept a titer, and allow vaccinations accordingly. But I sup[pose [people may not want to pay the extra money for it. Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations There's some group somewhere doing research on the rabies vaccination and they have found that kittens vaccinated still had immunity in their system four years later. That's with the normal one year vaccine. They suspect there's immunity up to seven years later. I told my vet one time that if they require an animal to be vaccinated to be seen so then they vaccinate them during surgery or the day of the appointment it was stupid because it takes time for the body to develop an immunity after the vaccination so the vaccination done that day was useless. It doesn't offer protection for the animal being seen or for animals at the clinic that day. sent from my ATT Smartphone by HTC - Reply message - From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com Date: Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:31 am Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org That's just for the cash! That is so stupid and it shows what they really care about. Sent from my iPad On Aug 26, 2011, at 5:41 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: There are some really stupid vets out there. If you bring in a sick cat that doesn't have an up-to-date rabies vaccine, many will insist that they cannot treat a cat without one, and insist on vaccinating before treating the sick cat. My vet does NOT! I know of one veterinary hospital that will NOT treat any cat that has never been vaccinated! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God- know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
metal is great too. Porch furniture can be used inside too. On Aug 27, 2011, at 8:20 AM, Natalie wrote: The best furniture is wooden futons..and bentwood chairs, that's what we have in the kitchen and the TV room, where most cats are. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 8:45 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors My thoughts exactly! - Original Message - From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors My cats have destroyed my new furniture, but I love my cats much much more than I like my furniture, and declawing has never been an option at my house. I voice my opinion as much as possible on that subject. But I have found that some people think that just goes along with having a cat. What totally pisses me off is the ones that declaw and then decide to put them outside!! Sent from my iPad On Aug 26, 2011, at 11:06 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Just add this to the consideration. To summarize, 'declawing' is a misnomer. When a cat is 'declawed' they are having their toes amputated at the first knuckle. Period. Now, think about you having all ten toes cut off at the first knuckle. Kat On 8/26/11, Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: Problem is declawing is so harmful to adult cats- painful, hard to adjust to, it can ruin them. Not right for kittens, but for adults it's just mean, torturous. Just not a good thing to do. There are places that allow cats w claws but folks may not think bout that till the last thing. But then grandma or whoever dies or goes to an Alzheimer's facility and then who wants a cat ruined by declaw. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: It wouldn't be you going without the cat, it would be the cat going without you. I have seen cats given up by their owners grieve and mourn themselves TO DEATH. I've seen cats given away by their owners be fine. I've seen cats who have been declawed suffer. I have seen cats who have been declawed do absolutely fine. It isn't all as easy as it looks sometimes. I have not had a cat declawed but I did have one who had to have a mastectomy and who I am sure would have been in horrible pain had it not been for the oral pain meds the vet prescribed. I would hope any vet doing declaw surgery would provide pain meds. At any rate I'm 44 so hopefully it would be a while before I went into a nursing home. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously– it is the most devastating thing for a cat. Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me. I wonder how a cat would feel if he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their paws mutilated? According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and cowering in the corner, something that their owners will never see. I have a copy of an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a woman writes about declawing her older cat because her mother’s oriental rug was being scratched up. It is one of my hand-out’s to adopters – the story is heartbreaking, and very typical. After the hurricane is over, I will scan it and post it. It is probably the best I’ve read, without going into the gory details of declawing. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Sorry! This is a 62 email thread in gmail. I don't know how your email program organizes stuff. Anyway I did not look at the date. I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to death after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw them. Hopefully I will not need to make that choice. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: OMG – you are responding to a post from March……I thought that I was going crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW! There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed…I guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere instead of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the tenants’ own furniture! I would rather give my cat away than declaw it –
Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane
You have a plan for your family. On Aug 26, 2011, at 6:51 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Since Katrina, I have been accumulating carriers (have 7 cats). If I have to leave my home, they go with me. I have an Astro van and all I have to do is put the seats down and I have plenty of room for the carriers. I will leve my home and all else behind, but my cats go with me. I can sleep in the van with them. Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: This inspired me to tell this story: I got my heart-cat, Stormy, 15 1/2 years ago. She was born to a feral mother. The woman feeding the mother cat noticed the cat getting fatter and fatter, then one day suddenly skinny again. She thought, Uh oh, bet she had kittens. So she followed the cat and sure enough, a passel of kittens had been born, unfortunately in a bucket and (you guessed it I'm sure) it had rained heavily. The only one to survive that storm was the grey tabby, Stormy. A couple of months later the woman had to move and couldn't take her kitten, so I got her. That's why she's named Stormy. Should've been named Lucky or Miracle! ~Bonnie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 12:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane That's my huge worry, too! Just think, the two kittens that drowned 2 weeks ago in a flooded backyard in Brooklyn, NY...I have the third that was scooped out of the water at night, and got their mom and dad, too. The baby is only5 wks old. This was just the rain - never mind what's coming this weekend! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 1:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane On 08-26, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Natalie Good luck with the hurricane! I hope there is no damage and no frightened cats! ~Bonnie I worry more about the millions of homeless cats in NYC DC and NJ than I do about the people. These animals have no place to go and people do. I worry just as much about the pets left behind when their humans evacuate. My first thoughts are always for the animals, but thankfully my cats are safe. We are in the eastern mountains right on the border of western Maryland at 3,000 elevation. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
