[scifinoir2] Koenig Says Son May Not Want to Be Found
Well, at least in the last day they've seemed to conclude he's likely still alive... ** http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/vancouver/2010-02-22-actor-koenig-missing_N.htm VANCOUVER — To the hundreds of joggers, bicyclists and strollers enjoying the sunshine in Stanley Park , the police on horseback could have passed as a small part of the $900 million security effort for the Winter Olympics. In fact, the mounted officers and dozens of other investigators dispatched throughout the city have an altogether different mission: they are part of a growing search for American actor Andrew Koenig, reported missing last Thursday. Koenig, 41, known for his role on the television series Growing Pains , was scheduled to return to his home in Venice, Calif., Feb. 16. But police Constable Tim Fanning said Koenig never boarded the airplane at Vancouver International Airport . Investigators believe Koenig still is in the Vancouver area where he once lived and doesn't want to be found, Fanning says. Fanning said friends and relatives said Koenig was feeling despondent before he went missing while visiting friends. Fanning said the actor's trip to Vancouver was not related to the Olympics. In a statement posted on his website, Walter Koenig , the missing man's father, said he received a troubling letter from his son Feb. 16. The father, also an actor, said he grew concerned about his son's welfare because of the letter's despondent tone. I think it's something that has been part of his makeup for a long time, the father said, adding that drugs were not involved. There is no episode (that triggered his depression). There is nothing of that nature. The last time the family heard from Koenig by phone was Feb. 9, according to the father's website. Koenig is best known for playing the role of Richard Boner Stabone on the former television series Growing Pains, which ran for seven years beginning in 1985. His father's website also describes him as a producer, director, writer, editor and photographer. Fanning said investigators have focused part of their search in Stanley Park, a vast swath of urban open space, where Koenig liked to walk and was last seen Feb. 14. Police have combed the more than 150 miles of trails in the park on horseback and on foot. They also have been monitoring activity on his credit card and cellphone. Fanning declined to comment on whether the card and phone were being used. But he said investigators believe Koenig is still in the Vancouver area. According to the father's website, Koenig's phone last received a text message Feb. 16. He also made a bank transaction on the same day. Fanning said police went public with their search Sunday, in part to solicit new information about the man's possible whereabouts. Even as the police department has deployed hundreds of its officers to the streets to deal with massive Olympic crowds, Fanning said the department would continue to dedicate personnel to the search. We will use as many as we think will be helpful, the constable said. Koenig is described as 5-feet-5 inches tall and 135 pounds, with long, brown shoulder-length hair. Fanning said family members were en route to Vancouver to assist police. Obviously, he does not want to be found, the constable said.
[scifinoir2] Son of Star Trek Star Koenig Missing
Wow, I remember Boner from the sitcom, but had *no* idea he was Koenig's son... http://www.etonline.com/news/2010/02/84253/index.html Star Trek star Walter Koenig and his wife Judy are speaking out to ET about their missing son Andrew Koenig , who has was last seen in Vancouver on February 14. Speaking to ET Sunday morning via telephone from their Los Angeles home, Walter and Judy fought back tears and spoke lovingly of their 42-year-old son, who Walter described as being in a depressed state. We heard from him in early February when he was staying with friends in Toronto, said Judy. He sounded fine, but I was worried about him. The 42-year-old Andrew played Boner on Growing Pains and is the camera operator on the comedy podcast Never Not Funny. He reportedly did not make his flight back from the Winter Olympics city to the U.S. on February 16. Judy Koenig said that a text message was sent by one of Andrew's friends and received by Andrew's blackberry in the area of the sprawling Stanley Park in Vancouver in recent days, which could be an encouraging sign. Walter said of the Vancouver police and their efforts to find his son, They have been kind, sensitive, generous and just extraordinary. Two of their investigators are working tirelessly today on their day off. They have been wonderful and I ask people to call the number from the Vancouver Police department ... if you have any information. That police department number is 604-717-2534. In defense of any rumors that might surface in the future, Walter added, So many times when these kinds of reports about behavior and habits come out, there are insinuations that are untue. Andrew has no narcotic habit. Walter and Judy tell ET they plan to fly into Vancouver this week to help in the search and investigation.
Re: [scifinoir2] topic: Rewrites
Uhura was pushing it as far as they could go in the '60s. Roddenberry regretted changing Majel Barrett's character from a bridge officer to a nurse, but NBC wouldn't tolerate a female officer. I am still amazed they managed to get such a relatively high number of important black men on the show: Dr. Daystrom, the Commodore in Court Martial, the doctor who treated Spock when he was shot in A Private Little War. There was the one brother too in Galileo Seven (where the shuttlecraft crashes on that planet of giant cavemen types). But I hate his character 'cause he spends the whole show being incredibly disrespectful to Spock. Spock should have Nerve Pinched his ass... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 4:40:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] topic: Rewrites I left the question completely open for you to interpret it the way you wanted. I think Uruha was a glorified receptionist. However, in the book Spock's world we learn more about her. For example, she is responsible for creating most of translation algorithms that are used throughout star fleet after so many encounters with new alien species. More of that would have been nice to see in the new movie, instead of her being spock's squeeze and eye candy. On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 7:46 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: what do you mean by rewrite? Do you mean revisit a series and update it in some ways, maybe telling side stories that were never explored, or updating some outdated cultural representations? Or do you mean completing redoing the series? I don't think any of the series needs a full rewrite, just updating. I'd only touch the OS, and even then I'd leave all the characters and main missions shown in the OS alone. What I'd do is explore the world more fully with new missions, the way TNG and yes, Enterprise did. I'd spend more time with eps dealing with the Romulans and Klingons outside of just battles, fleshing out relationships with them. I'd pull in more races like the Tholians, the Andorians, and see more about how the Federation works. This was one of the good things Enterprise did: it told a good story of how we started forming relationships with other races. The main update I'd do to the OS lies along racial and gender lines. It was a product of its time in that women were given secondary roles. Number One from the original pilot was a bridge officer. By the time the series was aired, she'd been rewritten as McCoy's assistant Nurse Chapel. No women are bridge officers or starship commanders. The best women are shown as is as lawyers and psychiatrists. The series ender Turnabout Intruder is based around a jealous former lover of Kirk's who literally steals his body so she can command a starship--something the show makes clear is beyond women. Kirk even says Her life could have been as full as any woman's. If only... The only exception was the Romulan Sub-Commander in The Enterprise Incident, and even she was portrayed as a woman easily manipulated by Spock's two-finger mack attack! So I'd simply update it to show women as Starfleet officers and in high ranking jobs on Earth and in the Federation. I'd do the same for Blacks and other people of color. At least blacks had Uhura, though she was a glorified secretary. They did at least acknowledge that black men were high ranking, as the guy who presided over Kirk's court-martial was black, a Commodore, and a former starship captain. There were black men shown as crewmen, and of course, Doctor Daystorm, the super genius inventor of Duotronics and the M5. But still, I'd show more blacks and people of color in more roles. Other than that i don't believe the series need rewrites. Just a few tweaks here and there. and to beat that dead horse, all this can be done *without* shifting stuff to an alternate universe, the way that crappy movie did... :( - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 11:59:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: Rewrites If you had the power to rewrite any of the Star trek series what would you do? -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] Stereosopic 3D Erotic Movie to be Directed by Tinto Brass
Well, the adult industry has been leading/influencing computer, Internet, and audio-visual tech for years, so no surprise here. This website is pretty good: all things 3D discussed. I used it to determine which theatre near me was using the best 3D tech to show Avatar (turns out both were using Real 3D, which was great). And who knew there was all this You Tube 3D stuff going on? I may have to get some 3D glasses (the ones I absconded with from the theatre probably won't work) and start checking this out. Probably gonna have to use something other than my T42 laptop though :( *** http://3dvision-blog.com/stereosopic-3d-erotic-movie-to-be-directed-by-tinto-brass/#more-1351 You probably have heard the name Tinto Brass (Giovanni Brass) as he is quite popular Italian director of erotic movies, including the very controversial movie adaption of Gor Vidal’s Caligula from 1979 he directed. Tinto Brass’ name just got in the news because of him announcing plans to start working on a 3D erotic movie which can as well turn out to be a remake of the Caligula in 3D, but this time done right and not ruined by someone else. The project that Tinto Brass has already started working on is involving a Roman emperor so the story will be in that era, and the work on casting and the script should start immediately with plans to start the filming process in May or June. Now have in mind that Tinto Brass is talking about making a 3D erotic movie and not 3D porn (there is huge difference), because he believes that time is right for 3D technologies to be used to create such a production. As we all know well enough the adult industry is one of the key factor making some technologies the proffered ones and helping others die unsuccessfully and we are already seeing growing interest coming from it for producing 3D content. Previously there were some attempts to make stereoscopic 3D porn movies, but relying mostly on anaglyph technology which kind of ruins the whole experience. Now having quality not only in terms of script, acting and of course in the visuals is what is still lacking and Tinto Brass is supposed to provide all of these, or at leas the expectations from him in these areas are quite high. In the last few months there were some good examples of what can be done with the currently available 3D technologies, so it can be said that 2010 will also be interesting year for the adult industry going 3D too. If you’ve missed the interview with the founder of the adult oriented stereoscopic 3D website called Adult4D (18+) , you should check it out for some more interesting insights and information from Sir Thomas Graf de Porneau.
Re: [scifinoir2] topic: Rewrites
what do you mean by rewrite? Do you mean revisit a series and update it in some ways, maybe telling side stories that were never explored, or updating some outdated cultural representations? Or do you mean completing redoing the series? I don't think any of the series needs a full rewrite, just updating. I'd only touch the OS, and even then I'd leave all the characters and main missions shown in the OS alone. What I'd do is explore the world more fully with new missions, the way TNG and yes, Enterprise did. I'd spend more time with eps dealing with the Romulans and Klingons outside of just battles, fleshing out relationships with them. I'd pull in more races like the Tholians, the Andorians, and see more about how the Federation works. This was one of the good things Enterprise did: it told a good story of how we started forming relationships with other races. The main update I'd do to the OS lies along racial and gender lines. It was a product of its time in that women were given secondary roles. Number One from the original pilot was a bridge officer. By the time the series was aired, she'd been rewritten as McCoy's assistant Nurse Chapel. No women are bridge officers or starship commanders. The best women are shown as is as lawyers and psychiatrists. The series ender Turnabout Intruder is based around a jealous former lover of Kirk's who literally steals his body so she can command a starship--something the show makes clear is beyond women. Kirk even says Her life could have been as full as any woman's. If only... The only exception was the Romulan Sub-Commander in The Enterprise Incident, and even she was portrayed as a woman easily manipulated by Spock's two-finger mack attack! So I'd simply update it to show women as Starfleet officers and in high ranking jobs on Earth and in the Federation. I'd do the same for Blacks and other people of color. At least blacks had Uhura, though she was a glorified secretary. They did at least acknowledge that black men were high ranking, as the guy who presided over Kirk's court-martial was black, a Commodore, and a former starship captain. There were black men shown as crewmen, and of course, Doctor Daystorm, the super genius inventor of Duotronics and the M5. But still, I'd show more blacks and people of color in more roles. Other than that i don't believe the series need rewrites. Just a few tweaks here and there. and to beat that dead horse, all this can be done *without* shifting stuff to an alternate universe, the way that crappy movie did... :( - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 11:59:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] topic: Rewrites If you had the power to rewrite any of the Star trek series what would you do?
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Mossad assassinates leader of the Hamas
No, what's the link to that? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 12:36:54 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Mossad assassinates leader of the Hamas I hear you on that. There's a LOT of stuff that would be interesting to read. Have you checked out the declassified papers search engine? There's so much stuff that it can take a life time to read it all. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: When I was a kid, my mom used to ask me if I wanted to go to Heaven when I died. It was part of the standard upbringing of act right so you don't go to Hell upbringing. I used to say all the time, Yes, i want to go to Heaven, because I want to talk to God. Mom assumed I meant to worship God and sing praises, which is cool, but, what I wanted/want to do is sit down and say Okay, now that I made it, I have some questions. I went on to explain that I wanted to ask how the Universe was created, who killed Kennedy, where the heck is Hoffa buried, what happened to Amelia Earheart, and a thousand other unknown and unknowable things. I think conspiracies, secret assassinations, and the true agendas of governments will be tops on my list should I ever get to approach the Heavenly Throne. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 7:42:32 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Mossad assassinates leader of the Hamas I take everything with a grain of salt. We will never know the entire truth to any of this stuff. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Guess you guys do think I’m paranoid. No response at all. Wow….. I’m just under deadline and don’t have time to research references. However, read http://www.haaretz.com/ for a month. It’s a mainstream national media site in Israel. It covers the news of the US as it applies to Israel. Watch all the serious front page news about US that appears there and see how much that does not appear in our mainstream press. It will shock and likely horrify you. It is fair and balanced coverage overall. They do not editorialize like they do here. Many Americans read it. Read the statements made by its leaders with regards to the US. Sometimes they are shocking in their audacity regarding their influence over our policies. What I said is only a secret here in the US. Not in Europe, Asia or anywhere else. Because they get less filtered news than we receive--- At least when it comes to US Foreign policy. By the way, the name of the Jewish Lobbying group that is starting to oppose our current policy is called J Street. Conspiracy Theorist going back to work now……. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:50 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Mossad assassinates leader of the Hamas You forgot The Mossad never forgets Another quote I heard was God forgives. The Mossad does not. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: B, there are ten things in this life I'm certain of. One is Do not f*ck with the Mossad. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: daikaij...@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:47:31 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Mossad assassinates leader of the Hamas I heard about it earlier this week. It's an incredible story. They all used false European passports to enter Dubai and disappeared after the hit. It's some Sword of Gideon type stuff. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: The national news didn't cover it for some reason. Only BBC and PBS Newshour. They were probably letting him slip into a sense of false security then did the hit. This incident is a movie in the making. Or at the minimum a NCIS episode. :) On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@...wrote: First I'm hearing of it, Mr Worf, and I'm only surprised that it took the Mossad this long to get him. -- Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. -- Celebrating 10
Re: [scifinoir2] Untold African history: Black Russians
Dude, that Black Obama is a watermelon seller? I wonder if the irony of that is lost on a Russian? I remember many stories about blacks in Russia and the pain they suffer. Remember a few short years ago there was violence at a dorm where African students were staying while at university? That was linked to racism by white Russians against those students of color. I am still saddened and frankly, sometimes confused, at people of color going to places where they are even more in the minority. I get seeking out new and better opportunities. And I sure as hell get why Russia could have seemed more welcoming to people flying the horrors of Jim Crow America. But I have longed believed that it is important to be surrounded by people who look like you in addition to those who dont: it fosters a sense of belonging and comfort, it helps prevent one from feeling like some kind of oddity, and it can help shield from some of the more hostile barbs one might take. I have black friends here in America who have chosen to live in majority white areas, and they always end up with problems. I live in a very mixed community,and don't have those pressures at least. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 1:34:03 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Untold African history: Black Russians society Russia’s Black Community Kevin O’Flynn , Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty Image 1: “African-Russians activists demonstrate in a march against racism in the Volga city of Nizhy Novgorod”; Image 2: “Yelena Khanga (right) co-hosting a popular daytime TV show, The Domino Principle. She became one of Russia’s best-known celebrities;” Image 3: “Some African families have lived in Russia for several generations.” Society: African-Russians: Seeking their Place in an Often Hostile Environment Society: African-Russians: Seeking their Place in an Often Hostile Environment Russian reaction to President Barack Obama's visit seemed mixed, but he serves as inspiration to the country's little-known African-Russian community. For Russians of African descent, President Barack Obama offers a potent symbol of triumph over the same challenges they themselves face in a country where dark-skinned people remain rare and often unwelcome. Yelena Khanga is one of Russia’s best-known black citizens. The popular host of a top-rated 1990s chat show about sex – “Pro Eto,” (About That), she became one of the few black faces regularly seen on Russian television. Khanga’s grandparents came to the Soviet Union in the 1920s to escape the racism they had endured in the United States as a mixed-race couple. Today, Khanga says Obama’s election to the American presidency has special meaning for her. “He did what my grandmother and grandfather dreamed about in their day,” Khanga says. “They couldn’t even have dreamed that, one day, America would have a black president. The only dreams that they had—my grandmother was white, and my grandfather was black—was that Americans would someday allow mixed couples to live in peace, have children, and let the children have decent lives. That is what they dreamed about.” Khanga’s grandfather, Oliver Golden, became a member of the Communist Party in the United States after he failed to find work as anything but a waiter despite having a college degree. He soon left for the Soviet Union with his Polish-American wife, Bertha Bialek, in one of the groups of black Americans actively encouraged by Bolshevik leaders to pull up stakes in their capitalist homeland and help build a new society in the U.S.S.R. Golden traveled to Uzbekistan to work on cotton cultivation. He and his wife soon gave birth to a daughter named Lily, Khanga’s mother. Khanga says her grandparents worked hard to show Lily — who went on to marry Abdullah Khanga, a political leader from Zanzibar whom she met in Moscow — that she was free to achieve whatever she wanted. “The Obama campaign said, ‘Yes we can.’ My grandmother and grandfather said the same thing to my mother: ‘Yes, you can. You can do it,’” Khanga says. “And my mother was the best pupil in school, she graduated with a gold medal She was practically the first black person to study at MGU [Moscow State University] in the Soviet Union. She played tennis; it was the dream of my grandfather that she, a black girl, play tennis. She was the champion of Uzbekistan.” The most famous African-Russian is legendary poet Alexander Pushkin, who was the great-grandson of an African brought to St. Petersburg under Peter the Great in the early 18th century. During the Soviet era, African students were actively encouraged to travel to the Soviet Union for their educations, leading to a number of mixed marriages and African-Russian offspring. But black skin remains extremely rare in Russia. One estimate says that there are
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Intro Tracy, Madison, WI
I can relate. - Original Message - From: B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 11:02:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Intro Tracy, Madison, WI I transferred here for work. Unfortunately I've been trapped in the Midwest for a long time. We're just biding our time until the right oppurtunity opens up closer to home. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Quick backstory on such a radical change of locations/environments/cultures? - Original Message - From: B Smith daikaij...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:29:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Intro Tracy, Madison, WI I feel your pain. I'm a Louisiana native trapped in Iowa. Our winter has been so horrible that some of my co-workers (natives of Minnesota and the Dakotas) are bellyaching about it. Once again welcome to the crew and we'll look forward to seeing you post. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Tracy Curtis tlcurtis17@ wrote: Thanks for the welcome, everyone. In answer to Keith, I've seen Lone Star, but not the other movies. In answer to Martin, you don't seem like a scary bunch. In answer to B Smith and rave, I'm not a Wisconsin native. I moved here in 2007 for the academic job. It's been interesting. The weather kills me a bit because I moved from Los Angeles. Even though I was born and raised in Cleveland, I wasn't ready for WI winters. It's cold here. That said, this winter has been milder than the other two I've spent here. That's not saying much. But it has been. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 2:36 PM, B Smith daikaiju66@ wrote: Welcome to the group. I hear Madison is nice this time of year...compared to the Yukon. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ wrote: Welcome to the room, Tracy! Don't run screaming, please. The rest of the group will keep me in line. ;-) Enjoy the place, and don't hesitate to speak your mind in anything. __ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors?
I love the History Channel show Life After People, which deals with all of this: what happens to power plants, what happens to domesticated pets, fish in fish tanks, cattle, horses. In one show, they dealt with animals. It was cool. They showed how in a hundred years or so, vast herds of elephants would be thundering across the country, along with cattle and horses. They showed how cutesy family cats and dogs would go feral pretty quickly (another reason I hate how we anthropomorphize them--they're animals). They showed tigers and leopards hunting vast overgrown grasslands that used to be highways and freeways, chasing the abundant deer running throughout the cities. Life After People started a new season just last month. They've also tackled things such as, what will happen to our great works of art, our major buildings, our treasured symbols? One show was wild, as the dome of the Capitol fell in upon itself. They showed the roof of the building where the Constitution is housed collapsing in a century or so. Although the document itself was still protected against rain and oxidation in its casing of thick glass and inert gases, it was finally done in by the one thing it's not protected against: sunlight. They showed how the sun would beam down on the Constitution for several hours each day, in time simply obliterating the ink molecules until they fade into oblivion. Fascinating stuff. http://www.history.com/content/life_after_people/about-the-series - Original Message - From: B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 12:11:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? Actually modern dairy cows are fed mixed rations as well. A lot of modern dairies have very little grazing compared to the way it was done in the past. Dairy cows are so specialized there would be massive die offs in the first few weeks from mastitis and other infections. With no calves to suck and no human interference those full bags become bacterial soup pretty quickly. Some would survive and dry off(go out of milking condition) but with so few bulls on farms these days there would be a big drop off in numbers in a generation. I imagine interbreeding with the more multiple breeds of beef bulls would change the look of domestic cows a hell of a lot in a couple of generations. Beef cows are actually far more resilient than the dairy animals and cow-calf pairs are kept on grass in most of the country before the calves are processed and placed on feed. That's why I wouldn't be concerned about them as much. They toughen up pretty quickly. I think the wild animals wouldn't be a major concern for a while for any groups of people. There would be a buffet of domestic pets and livestock to prey on for a long time. Some isolated problems from the ones that scavenge human corpses but I imagine they would be dispatched pretty quickly. There won't be a shortage of guns. LOL. The feral animal population would be the scarier proposition. With so many bodies left by the plague I imagine lots of hungry animals would scavenge corpses, equate humans with food and have to be destroyed. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: I think that the things would eventually go back to how they were before man interfered. Over produced, over bred animals will die off immediately, the ones that learn to adapt will thrive. If you want a variety of food you will need a barn, hen house, pigs, cows etc. We have wild turkeys here and I can tell you it took less than 10 years for them to repopulate here. We have them all over the place and I'm sure they will be good eating! :) You could also allow them to eat grass. (wow what a concept! :) ) Dairy cows eat grass, the ones for beef eat corn concoctions. The problem will be large cats and bears. There have been coyote sightings in San Francisco and foxes near Stanford University. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:42 PM, B Smith daikaij...@... wrote: I'm on the hunting and fishing team too. Although with the huge numbers of domesticated animals in the U.S. eating wouldn't be a problem for a long time. The bigger problem would be feeding them on a long term basis and preserving meat if the power grid is shot. The cattle and sheep problem would take care itself in the spring through fall because taking them off grain and feeding them strictly grass and forage would take off some of the pressure but even then huge numbers of them would have to be slaughtered or culled. Hay and winter pasture cultivation would be a hell of a lot easier than growing corn and soybeans for animal food. But 85 million cattle and 6 million sheep could cause huge environmental problems in the long term. Hogs on the other hand would be a menace of epic proportions. We'd have to cull huge numbers of them to keep
[scifinoir2] Life After People
Here's some info on Life After People. I watch it whenever I can. Really fascinating... ** http://www.history.com/content/life_after_people/about-the-series LIFE AFTER PEOPLE: The Series begins in the moments after people disappear. As each day, month, and year passes, the fate of a particular environment, city or theme is disclosed. Special effects, combined with interviews from top experts in the fields of engineering, botany, biology, geology, and archeology provide an unforgettable visual journey through the ultimately hypothetical. As modern metropolises like New York, Los Angeles, Chicago and Washington DC are ravaged by nature; the series exposes the surprising insights about how they function today. Basing this futuristic world on the surprising history of real locations, already abandoned by man, like a century-old shack in the arctic and an abandoned island that was once the most densely populated place on earth are featured in the series. In every episode, viewers will witness the epic destruction of iconic structures and buildings, from the Sears Tower, Astrodome, and Chrysler Building to the Sistine Chapel - - allowing viewers to learn how they were built and why they were so significant. Big Ben will stop ticking within days; the International Space Station will plummet to earth within a few short years, while historic objects, like the Declaration of Independence and the mummified remains of King Tutankhamen will remain for decades. The series will also explore the creatures that might take our place. With humans gone, animals will inherit the places where we once lived. Elephants that escape from the LA zoo will thrive in a region once dominated by their ancestors, the wooly mammoth. Alligators will move into sub-tropical cities like Houston - feeding off household pets. Tens of thousands of hogs, domesticated for food, will flourish. In a world without people, new stories of predators, survival and evolution will emerge. Humans won't be around forever, and now we can see in detail, for the very first time, the world that will be left behind in Life After People: The Series.
[scifinoir2] Life After People Episode Summary
Here's a summary of the newly airing eps. Fireworks factories exploding, lakes turned into pits of acid, Marine dogs going feral? Cool! http://www.history.com/content/life_after_people/show-schedule Life After People : Wrath of God Airs on Saturday February 20 10:00 AM Structures of God and symbols of Satan face their post-apocalyptic fate. Churches around the world crumble in a world after people, while the devil's minions multiply. The controversial Shroud of Turin meets a surprising foe. A desert town abandoned for decades provides clues to earth's future. Life After People : Toxic Revenge Airs on Saturday February 20 11:00 AM An horde of toxins and chemicals are unleashed in a world without people. Deadly gases turn lakes and rivers into acid. An abandoned town in America's heartland provides a glimpse into this dim future. Without man's help, Niagara Falls has a surprising fate. Life After People : Crypt of Civilization Airs on Saturday February 20 12:00 PM In the post-apocalyptic world, man's mysterious relics meet very different fates, including those in a site in the U.S. called the Crypt of Civilization. Other crypts, safes, and time capsules are exposed to new threats. An abandoned Mental Hospital in Connecticut offers clues regarding man's ability to preserve records. Can the military training given to Marine Corps dogs help them succeed in the wild? Life After People : Last Supper Airs on Saturday February 20 01:00 PM The fate of man's world of food. Destructive forces turn supermarkets into breeding grounds for insects and rodents. Some foods last forever. Da Vinci's The Last Supper suffers due to an unusual paint ingredient. Some of man's agricultural staples succumb, while a surprising plant thrives. Exquisite restaurants atop of Taipei 101, the second tallest building in the world, collapse. Life After People : Home Wrecked Homes Airs on Saturday February 20 02:00 PM Examine the apocalyptic fate of every home in the world. Gas leaks turn suburbs into infernos; a famous castle is toppled by a hidden flaw. Paint causes some high-end homes to explode in flames. Houses fall from the world tallest apartments to the most crowded complexes. Life After People : Holiday Hell Airs on Saturday February 20 03:00 PM In a post apocalyptic world, holiday treasures disappear: Fireworks factories erupt, Christmas tree farms grow out of control; real reindeer must adapt or die. Vacation icons fall, from high-end resorts and cruise ships, to roller coaster thrill ride. A Holiday Hell ensues.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors?
right, but Life After People's premise is that *all* humanity dies, not a single man or woman left - Original Message - From: B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 1:19:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? I think there would be a lot of that but with 3 million or so survivors in the U.S. they could head off some of the things seen in in Life After People. If a disaster of this magnitude happened I imagine the U.S. would recall the bulk its military forces from foreign theaters and mobilize all reserves. If they have a similar survival rate as the general population the remnants of the government would have about 30,000-35,000 armed forces personnel left and over 150,000 civilian government workers. If they effectively use them it could be a pretty good start on holding things together. I would imagine there would be a massive migration as survivors head back to the coasts and along the Mississippi River corridor. Those areas could be reclaimed with lots of hard work. I imagine some independent(and separatist and militia) types would want to stick to the Plains and Mountain West but without significant help it would be pretty desolate living out there for a while. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: I love the History Channel show Life After People, which deals with all of this: what happens to power plants, what happens to domesticated pets, fish in fish tanks, cattle, horses. In one show, they dealt with animals. It was cool. They showed how in a hundred years or so, vast herds of elephants would be thundering across the country, along with cattle and horses. They showed how cutesy family cats and dogs would go feral pretty quickly (another reason I hate how we anthropomorphize them--they're animals). They showed tigers and leopards hunting vast overgrown grasslands that used to be highways and freeways, chasing the abundant deer running throughout the cities. Life After People started a new season just last month. They've also tackled things such as, what will happen to our great works of art, our major buildings, our treasured symbols? One show was wild, as the dome of the Capitol fell in upon itself. They showed the roof of the building where the Constitution is housed collapsing in a century or so. Although the document itself was still protected against rain and oxidation in its casing of thick glass and inert gases, it was finally done in by the one thing it's not protected against: sunlight. They showed how the sun would beam down on the Constitution for several hours each day, in time simply obliterating the ink molecules until they fade into oblivion. Fascinating stuff. http://www.history.com/content/life_after_people/about-the-series - Original Message - From: B Smith daikaij...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 12:11:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? Actually modern dairy cows are fed mixed rations as well. A lot of modern dairies have very little grazing compared to the way it was done in the past. Dairy cows are so specialized there would be massive die offs in the first few weeks from mastitis and other infections. With no calves to suck and no human interference those full bags become bacterial soup pretty quickly. Some would survive and dry off(go out of milking condition) but with so few bulls on farms these days there would be a big drop off in numbers in a generation. I imagine interbreeding with the more multiple breeds of beef bulls would change the look of domestic cows a hell of a lot in a couple of generations. Beef cows are actually far more resilient than the dairy animals and cow-calf pairs are kept on grass in most of the country before the calves are processed and placed on feed. That's why I wouldn't be concerned about them as much. They toughen up pretty quickly. I think the wild animals wouldn't be a major concern for a while for any groups of people. There would be a buffet of domestic pets and livestock to prey on for a long time. Some isolated problems from the ones that scavenge human corpses but I imagine they would be dispatched pretty quickly. There won't be a shortage of guns. LOL. The feral animal population would be the scarier proposition. With so many bodies left by the plague I imagine lots of hungry animals would scavenge corpses, equate humans with food and have to be destroyed. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: I think that the things would eventually go back to how they were before man interfered. Over produced, over bred animals will die off immediately, the ones that learn to adapt will thrive. If you want a variety of food you
Re: [scifinoir2] Intro Tracy, Madison, WI
Welcome to the group! Glad you stopped lurking! :) I like your movie choices of Event Horizon and Brother From Another Planet. Those are two of my fav movies as well. I'm also a big fan of writer/director John Sayles, who did Brother from Another Planet. Have you seen many of his other films, such as Lone Star, Passion Fish, Men with Guns? Great talent. - Original Message - From: Tracy Curtis tlcurti...@gmail.com To: SciFiNoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:58:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Intro Tracy, Madison, WI Hello Everyone, I'm sorry I didn't introduce myself before. My name is Tracy. (I'm a female Tracy) I'm currently living in Madison, WI where I have a university job. I joined initially because one of my students is working on a project that involves science fiction, speculative fiction and revisions of high school curriculum. I'm teaching a class right now that involves some science fiction along with some speculative fiction, horror, and philosophy. I've been enjoying your talks, but hadn't joined in at all because I had not properly introduced myself. Sorry about the delay. Things have been (and remain) a bit hectic. So here's my template! Tracy 1. Name: Tracy Curtis 2. Location: Madison, WI 3. Nickname/ Alias: 4. To which Speculative Fiction Character do you relate or identify When I was a kid, I really identified with the girl from Escape to Witch Mountain because I wanted to be able to move things with my mind. I was struck by Dana's predicament in Octavia Butler's Kindred . 5. Favorite SciFi Genres: near future speculation 6. Favorite Scifi Movies Event Horizon, Brother from Another Planet , Tank Girl , Aliens , Last Angel of History 7. Favorite SciFi TV or Online Shows ((canceled shows ok) X-Files, Warehouse 13 8. Favorite SciFi Producers and Directors 9. Favorite SciFi Characters 10. Favorite SciFi Villain: 11. Favorite SciFi Comics and Graphic Novels I'm not good at reading these. I'm trying more. 12. Favorite SciFi Film or TV Adaptation of a Book: 13. Favorite SciFi Film or TV Adaptation of a Comic or Graphic Novel: 14. Favorite SciFi Film movie (s) that flopped: 15. Your SciFi Favorite TVShow (s)that was/were canceled unfairly: Freaky Links, Invasion 16. Favorite Speculative Fiction Books: 17. Favorite Speculative Fiction Authors: 18. List speculative fiction stereotyped scenarios or characters that irk you: 19. Other topics of importance to you: With my class, I've been curious about how readers of various backgrounds take in works with no white characters. 20. List your own published works, if any: - nothing related 21. Your web site: 22. Favorite Scifi Web Sites: ~Tell us anything else you think is important: On the subject line, type the word Intro: “ and then add your name and city. Now post your introduction at SciFiNoir2@yahoogroups.com . Once Again, Welcome to SciFiNoir Sample subject line: Intro Kathy AKA Kat, Chicago, IL
Re: [scifinoir2] Mossad assassinates leader of the Hamas
CNN covered it as well. Rick Sanchez was all over it... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:32:57 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Mossad assassinates leader of the Hamas The national news didn't cover it for some reason. Only BBC and PBS Newshour. They were probably letting him slip into a sense of false security then did the hit. This incident is a movie in the making. Or at the minimum a NCIS episode. :) On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: First I'm hearing of it, Mr Worf, and I'm only surprised that it took the Mossad this long to get him. Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Leverage Season Finale
Yep, most fun stuff on cable. Oh: I forget to mention that Paul Blackthorne of The Dresden Files had a throwaway part as the big bad guy in the Leverage finale. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:23:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Leverage Season Finale Missed it entirely, Keith. Working again. I'll have to do the online thing. And it's a shame that the duty of creating fun TV programming has to have fallen to cable TV. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 04:46:18 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Leverage Season Finale Anyone catch the Leverage two-part season finale tonight? Pretty good, took a couple of surprising turns, had a good cliffhanger ending (as all shows like this and Burn Notice do). Good fun show, not too dramatic, just breezy fun. I think I compared a lot of the cable shows like this and Burn Notice to the fun shows of old I used to enjoy, like The Rockford Files, I Spy, Man from UNCLE. I've said this before, but more and more I find that the majority of shows I watch regularly are on cable: Leverage, Burn Notice, White Collar, Psych, In Plain Sight, The Closer, Saving Grace. Throw in some cartoons like Secret Saturdays, Ben 10, Batman Brave and the Bold, and Wolverine and the X-Men. Then add in the History and Discovery channel fare I love: Pawn Stars, Life After People, The Universe, How the Earth was Made. Mix in BBC add a liberal dosage of broadcast-TV-canceling-moving-shows-around, and I'm watching broadcast TV much less nowadays. Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past Decade
Remember the short lived TV series The Secret Adventures of Jules Verne from 2000? That was a pretty cool show from back when SciFi, Showtime and others were always giving us cool new scifi. Steampunk personified... - Original Message - From: B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 5:41:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past Decade I feel the same way you do. I like the concepts but most of the stuff I've read never grabs me. I really tried to get into Cherie Priest's Boneshaker but something about it didn't click for me. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: I have yet to get into Steampunk stories, but I am really enjoying the general concept of it and the clothing. I love the idea of an alternate reality using such devices. Can you imagine how different the world would be if we had such things as mechanical televisions? On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@...wrote: Steampunk is edging up into the realm of deriving stories from true Steam settings (i.e. a future derived from an initial Steam realm), and I couldn't be happier, because I've been trying my hand at it, unsuccessfully to date because I'm surprisingly having trouble working within the strict constraints of Victorian society (would've thought that a Liberal Prude such as myself would slip right in). This way, my social vision can more fully take root (women in stronger roles/positions, true racial equality, et cetera). If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@... Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 00:21:47 -0800 Subject: [scifinoir2] How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past Decade Ann and Jeff VanderMeer are almost done reading the submissions for their second steampunk anthology, which will focus much more on stories from the past decade as opposed to classic tales. And they're noticing some big changes in the make-up of steampunk lit. Writes Jeff VanderMeer: The biggest change is that a subgenre in which very few women wrote now features a plethora of women-as Ann and I had suspected, and stated in various interviews at the time-and thus many more female contributors to this second volume. The greater variety of setting and situation, though, is pretty even across gender. This anthology is also situated at the cusp of much more robust participation in this subgenre internationally and multi-culturally... Indeed, Steampunk Version 2.0 seems to have reached its peakâ€without that infusion of new perspectives, it's likely to eat itself rather rapidly. [Ecstatic Days http://www.jeffvandermeer.com/2010/02/16/steampunk-reading-almost-done/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed:+ecstaticdays+%28Ecstatic+Days%29utm_content=Google+Reader ] Send an email to Charlie Jane Anders, the author of this post, at charliej...@...charliej...@...?subject= http://io9.com/5473434/how-steampunk-literature-has-changed-in-the-past-decade . [image: Click here to find out more!] http://ad.doubleclick.net/click;h=v8/3945/0/0/*/p;44306;0-0;0;23538270;3454-728/90;0/0/0;;%7Eokv=;ptile=3;sz=728x90;%7Eaopt=2/1/ff/0;%7Esscs=? [image: track] * E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14390 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ * -- Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Leverage Season Finale
You mean the evil Wesley Crusher character that Wheaton turned out to be? That could be fun. I think the need to write around the brunette's leaving the show mostly kind of threw the season. You could tell they kind of plugged Jeri Ryan into the role, and had to change a bit of the team dynamic to accommodate her character. The shows were a bit more pedestrian, focused more on smaller hustles. I'm glad Sofie will be back when the season picks back up again. Speaking of Jeri Ryan in the role, I wonder who gets more constant guest-star, limited series, and regular series work on TV nowadays: Ryan, Tricia Helfer, or Moon Bloodgood?Those women show up *everywhere*, from Burn Notice to Warehouse 13, Shark to Leverage. The queen of roles though is probably still my girl Michele Forbes. - Original Message - From: B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:17:11 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Leverage Season Finale I saw it and liked it quite a bit. This season was fun but not as fresh as last year. I think they need to shake things up a little more in the next season. i'd love to see the mirror Leverage team again or a similar team headed by Wil Wheaton's character. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Missed it entirely, Keith. Working again. I'll have to do the online thing. And it's a shame that the duty of creating fun TV programming has to have fallen to cable TV. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@... Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 04:46:18 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Leverage Season Finale Anyone catch the Leverage two-part season finale tonight? Pretty good, took a couple of surprising turns, had a good cliffhanger ending (as all shows like this and Burn Notice do). Good fun show, not too dramatic, just breezy fun. I think I compared a lot of the cable shows like this and Burn Notice to the fun shows of old I used to enjoy, like The Rockford Files, I Spy, Man from UNCLE. I've said this before, but more and more I find that the majority of shows I watch regularly are on cable: Leverage, Burn Notice, White Collar, Psych, In Plain Sight, The Closer, Saving Grace. Throw in some cartoons like Secret Saturdays, Ben 10, Batman Brave and the Bold, and Wolverine and the X-Men. Then add in the History and Discovery channel fare I love: Pawn Stars, Life After People, The Universe, How the Earth was Made. Mix in BBC add a liberal dosage of broadcast-TV-canceling-moving-shows-around, and I'm watching broadcast TV much less nowadays. __ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past Decade
The Helliconia book for me: Helliconia Spring, I think. Tried three times, can't get past the first chapter. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:27:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past Decade There's a topic for you. Which book or books have you tried to read multiple times but just haven't managed to finish? For me it is Stephen King's The Stand. I tried to read and finish it 9 times. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: I'm still waiting for Boneshaker to free itself from Queue Heck at the library. (A close friend read it and raved on it for weeks.) My first introduction to Steampunk (as was pretty much everyone else in SF) was Gibson and Sterling's The Difference Engine. And, like many in the genre, it nearly ran me out. Possibly the second-most verbose book I've ever touched in my life. (And Joyce's Ulysses ranks #5 on that list, right below War and Peace.) Thought I was strange in my reaction to it (owning it and having yet to get more than 40 pages into it), but I've since learned that I'm far from alone there. Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Mossad assassinates leader of the Hamas
When I was a kid, my mom used to ask me if I wanted to go to Heaven when I died. It was part of the standard upbringing of act right so you don't go to Hell upbringing. I used to say all the time, Yes, i want to go to Heaven, because I want to talk to God. Mom assumed I meant to worship God and sing praises, which is cool, but, what I wanted/want to do is sit down and say Okay, now that I made it, I have some questions. I went on to explain that I wanted to ask how the Universe was created, who killed Kennedy, where the heck is Hoffa buried, what happened to Amelia Earheart, and a thousand other unknown and unknowable things. I think conspiracies, secret assassinations, and the true agendas of governments will be tops on my list should I ever get to approach the Heavenly Throne. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 7:42:32 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Mossad assassinates leader of the Hamas I take everything with a grain of salt. We will never know the entire truth to any of this stuff. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Guess you guys do think I’m paranoid. No response at all. Wow….. I’m just under deadline and don’t have time to research references. However, read http://www.haaretz.com/ for a month. It’s a mainstream national media site in Israel. It covers the news of the US as it applies to Israel. Watch all the serious front page news about US that appears there and see how much that does not appear in our mainstream press. It will shock and likely horrify you. It is fair and balanced coverage overall. They do not editorialize like they do here. Many Americans read it. Read the statements made by its leaders with regards to the US. Sometimes they are shocking in their audacity regarding their influence over our policies. What I said is only a secret here in the US. Not in Europe, Asia or anywhere else. Because they get less filtered news than we receive--- At least when it comes to US Foreign policy. By the way, the name of the Jewish Lobbying group that is starting to oppose our current policy is called J Street. Conspiracy Theorist going back to work now……. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:50 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Mossad assassinates leader of the Hamas You forgot The Mossad never forgets Another quote I heard was God forgives. The Mossad does not. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: B, there are ten things in this life I'm certain of. One is Do not f*ck with the Mossad. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: daikaij...@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:47:31 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Mossad assassinates leader of the Hamas I heard about it earlier this week. It's an incredible story. They all used false European passports to enter Dubai and disappeared after the hit. It's some Sword of Gideon type stuff. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: The national news didn't cover it for some reason. Only BBC and PBS Newshour. They were probably letting him slip into a sense of false security then did the hit. This incident is a movie in the making. Or at the minimum a NCIS episode. :) On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@...wrote: First I'm hearing of it, Mr Worf, and I'm only surprised that it took the Mossad this long to get him. -- Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14390 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14390 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Intro Tracy, Madison, WI
If you ever get another academic opportunity, try to come down here to Atlanta. Much nicer weather. :) As for John Sayles' work, it is worth looking up. the man is one of the few truly indie directors still going... - Original Message - From: Tracy Curtis tlcurti...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:07:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Intro Tracy, Madison, WI Thanks for the welcome, everyone. In answer to Keith, I've seen Lone Star, but not the other movies. In answer to Martin, you don't seem like a scary bunch. In answer to B Smith and rave, I'm not a Wisconsin native. I moved here in 2007 for the academic job. It's been interesting. The weather kills me a bit because I moved from Los Angeles. Even though I was born and raised in Cleveland, I wasn't ready for WI winters. It's cold here. That said, this winter has been milder than the other two I've spent here. That's not saying much. But it has been. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 2:36 PM, B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com wrote: Welcome to the group. I hear Madison is nice this time of year...compared to the Yukon. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Welcome to the room, Tracy! Don't run screaming, please. The rest of the group will keep me in line. ;-) Enjoy the place, and don't hesitate to speak your mind in anything. __ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Intro Tracy, Madison, WI
I was either sick or newly unemployed when it hit Atlanta. I seek out all Sayles movies, but the only theatre in Atlanta to get it was over twenty-five miles from my house. I put in a mental note to catch it the second weekend after it arrived and it was already gone! - Original Message - From: B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:30:25 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Intro Tracy, Madison, WI Keith, Have you seen Honeydripper? That is an underrated Sayles gem. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Welcome to the group! Glad you stopped lurking! :) I like your movie choices of Event Horizon and Brother From Another Planet. Those are two of my fav movies as well. I'm also a big fan of writer/director John Sayles, who did Brother from Another Planet. Have you seen many of his other films, such as Lone Star, Passion Fish, Men with Guns? Great talent. - Original Message - From: Tracy Curtis tlcurti...@... To: SciFiNoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:58:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Intro Tracy, Madison, WI  Hello Everyone, I'm sorry I didn't introduce myself before. My name is Tracy. (I'm a female Tracy) I'm currently living in Madison, WI where I have a university job. I joined initially because one of my students is working on a project that involves science fiction, speculative fiction and revisions of high school curriculum. I'm teaching a class right now that involves some science fiction along with some speculative fiction, horror, and philosophy. I've been enjoying your talks, but hadn't joined in at all because I had not properly introduced myself. Sorry about the delay. Things have been (and remain) a bit hectic. So here's my template! Tracy 1.  Name: Tracy Curtis 2.  Location: Madison, WI 3.  Nickname/ Alias: 4.  To which Speculative Fiction Character do you relate or identify When I was a kid, I really identified with the girl from Escape to Witch Mountain because I wanted to be able to move things with my mind. I was struck by Dana's predicament in Octavia Butler's Kindred . 5.  Favorite SciFi Genres: near future speculation 6.  Favorite Scifi Movies Event Horizon, Brother from Another Planet , Tank Girl , Aliens , Last Angel of History 7.  Favorite SciFi TV or Online Shows  ((canceled shows ok) X-Files, Warehouse 13 8.  Favorite SciFi Producers and Directors 9.  Favorite SciFi Characters 10. Favorite SciFi Villain: 11. Favorite SciFi Comics and Graphic Novels I'm not good at reading these. I'm trying more. 12. Favorite SciFi Film or TV Adaptation of a Book: 13. Favorite SciFi Film or TV Adaptation of a Comic or Graphic Novel: 14. Favorite SciFi Film movie (s) that flopped: 15. Your SciFi Favorite  TVShow (s)that was/were canceled unfairly: Freaky Links, Invasion 16. Favorite Speculative Fiction Books: 17. Favorite Speculative Fiction Authors: 18. List speculative fiction stereotyped scenarios or characters that irk you: 19. Other topics of importance to you: With my class, I've been curious about how readers of various backgrounds take in works with no white characters. 20. List your own published works, if any: - nothing related 21. Your web site: 22. Favorite Scifi Web Sites: ~Tell us anything else you think is important: On the subject line, type the word Intro: “ and then add your name and city.  Now post your introduction at SciFiNoir2@yahoogroups.com . Once Again, Welcome to SciFiNoir Sample subject line: Intro Kathy AKA Kat, Chicago, IL
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Intro Tracy, Madison, WI
Quick backstory on such a radical change of locations/environments/cultures? - Original Message - From: B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:29:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Intro Tracy, Madison, WI I feel your pain. I'm a Louisiana native trapped in Iowa. Our winter has been so horrible that some of my co-workers (natives of Minnesota and the Dakotas) are bellyaching about it. Once again welcome to the crew and we'll look forward to seeing you post. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Tracy Curtis tlcurti...@... wrote: Thanks for the welcome, everyone. In answer to Keith, I've seen Lone Star, but not the other movies. In answer to Martin, you don't seem like a scary bunch. In answer to B Smith and rave, I'm not a Wisconsin native. I moved here in 2007 for the academic job. It's been interesting. The weather kills me a bit because I moved from Los Angeles. Even though I was born and raised in Cleveland, I wasn't ready for WI winters. It's cold here. That said, this winter has been milder than the other two I've spent here. That's not saying much. But it has been. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 2:36 PM, B Smith daikaij...@... wrote: Welcome to the group. I hear Madison is nice this time of year...compared to the Yukon. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ wrote: Welcome to the room, Tracy! Don't run screaming, please. The rest of the group will keep me in line. ;-) Enjoy the place, and don't hesitate to speak your mind in anything. __ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past Decade
yeah, that was the time of Odyssey 5, Total Recall 2070, Jake 2.0, and a host of other good ones. Don't get me started, or we'll having another one of those posts listing all the shows too soon canceled, from G vs. E. all the way back to the non scifi but famous Frank's Place. Tracey and I are especially bad about listing a bazillion shows and crying in our coffee about their cancellations. :( - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 11:55:02 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past Decade I agree. There has been some cool shows on showtime (Odyssey 5 for example.) There were some other shows such as anime and a scifi detective series set on Mars. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Remember the short lived TV series The Secret Adventures of Jules Verne from 2000? That was a pretty cool show from back when SciFi, Showtime and others were always giving us cool new scifi. Steampunk personified... - Original Message - From: B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 5:41:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past Decade I feel the same way you do. I like the concepts but most of the stuff I've read never grabs me. I really tried to get into Cherie Priest's Boneshaker but something about it didn't click for me. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: I have yet to get into Steampunk stories, but I am really enjoying the general concept of it and the clothing. I love the idea of an alternate reality using such devices. Can you imagine how different the world would be if we had such things as mechanical televisions? On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@...wrote: Steampunk is edging up into the realm of deriving stories from true Steam settings (i.e. a future derived from an initial Steam realm), and I couldn't be happier, because I've been trying my hand at it, unsuccessfully to date because I'm surprisingly having trouble working within the strict constraints of Victorian society (would've thought that a Liberal Prude such as myself would slip right in). This way, my social vision can more fully take root (women in stronger roles/positions, true racial equality, et cetera). If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@... Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 00:21:47 -0800 Subject: [scifinoir2] How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past Decade Ann and Jeff VanderMeer are almost done reading the submissions for their second steampunk anthology, which will focus much more on stories from the past decade as opposed to classic tales. And they're noticing some big changes in the make-up of steampunk lit. Writes Jeff VanderMeer: The biggest change is that a subgenre in which very few women wrote now features a plethora of women-as Ann and I had suspected, and stated in various interviews at the time-and thus many more female contributors to this second volume. The greater variety of setting and situation, though, is pretty even across gender. This anthology is also situated at the cusp of much more robust participation in this subgenre internationally and multi-culturally... Indeed, Steampunk Version 2.0 seems to have reached its peakâ€without that infusion of new perspectives, it's likely to eat itself rather rapidly. [Ecstatic Days http://www.jeffvandermeer.com/2010/02/16/steampunk-reading-almost-done/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed:+ecstaticdays+%28Ecstatic+Days%29utm_content=Google+Reader ] Send an email to Charlie Jane Anders, the author of this post, at charliej...@...charliej...@...?subject= http://io9.com/5473434/how-steampunk-literature-has-changed-in-the-past-decade . [image: Click here to find out more!] http://ad.doubleclick.net/click;h=v8/3945/0/0/*/p;44306;0-0;0;23538270;3454-728/90;0/0/0;;%7Eokv=;ptile=3;sz=728x90;%7Eaopt=2/1/ff/0;%7Esscs=? [image: track] * E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14390 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ * -- Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01
[scifinoir2] OT: More Upsetting than Stack's Actions are those who Understand His Feelings
Most frightening of all? I was watching CNN today ,and Rick Sanchez said they were getting a *lot* of e-mails, Tweets, and Facebook messages from people who said they understood this guy's feelings. They were quick to say they didn't agree with his *actions*, but did understand how he felt so upset and helpless. That's the kind of bullsh** talk that explains why Congress is paralyzed, Tea Partyers abound, and we have a thinly veiled racist attack against all things Obama. I find it amazing how so many mainstream Americans are so quick to sympathize with those who rail against big government, the IRS, gun control, etc. I remember when the government would go after nutty racist/child-abusing/gun packing survivalist/white supremacy groups, many Americans railed against the government. Terms like jack-booted thugs were used to describe federal agents going after the Branch Davidians, where men were force marrying eleven-year-old girls, yet the government was seen as evil. Yet when that same government fights the war on terror, or persecutes groups like the Move Organization, or tortures foreign prisoners, suddenly that government is just aces. It still amazes me how many mainstream Americans are so quick to understand hatred of the government, to sympathize with those who make all kinds of threats against politicians, and to be proud of all but toting guns to rallies and yelling about the blood of patriots. And they get away with it. Todd Palin hangs out with separatist Alaskan nutjobs, and his wife's a celebrity. Michelle Obama says she's proud of America like never before, and she's a commie/pinko traitor. If black people were half as vocal in expressing much more justified hatred and distrust of the government, if we were so quick to speak about overthrowing the government and sympathize with anti-government nuts, they'd be all over us. Just ask the Panthers, the Move Organization, and Mumia Abu Jamal... * www.cnn.com (CNN) -- The remains of two people have been found in an Austin, Texas, building where a man crashed a small plane, authorities said. The identities of the two dead people have not been confirmed, the Austin Fire Department said in a statement. Two other people who were injured in the incident were taken to a hospital, and 11 others were treated for minor injuries, Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo said. Authorities said Andrew Joseph Stack III, 53, an Austin resident with an apparent grudge against the Internal Revenue Service, set his house on fire Thursday and then crashed a Piper Cherokee PA-28 into the building, which houses an IRS office with nearly 200 employees, federal officials said. This appears to be an intentional act by a sole individual, Acevedo said at a news conference. A fire created by the crash had been put out, save for some small areas, officials said. Fire crews were expected to continue to work through the night.
Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole
No soul food? With Oakland right there? Dude that's sad!- Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:55:46 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Almost all of the soul food restaurants in a 50 mile radius are gone. You can't even find good bbq here anymore. The $1000 restaurant is a special "foody" event that is cooked by a "maverick" chef. My father still cooks chitterlings (or chitlin's) and other stinky fair. :) And yes, you can get a tripe burrito (and all of the other parts) here as well. They show the maverick chef on the travel channel and on the food channel once in a while. I think he is famous for making poprock ice cream as a desert. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Dude, a thousand bucks for entrails, brains, and the like? Are you kidding? I've had friends, neighbors and relatives all my life who've eaten stuff like that, be it country white and black folk, or frankly, the Mexicans in Texas and here in Atlanta. I can get you tripe or brain tacos at a Mexican joint here in Atlanta lickety-split. When I was in junior high back in the '70s, I can home one day to find the whole head of a slaughtered hog sitting on the kitchen table! I asked my mom what in the world was up. She said, "Boy, your daddy got a taste for hogshead cheese!" I find it odd that the events there are considered special. In Atlanta, at least, there's been a return to eating more "real" meat for a few years now. There are lots of top-rated restaurants where entrails and the like are eaten, and it's not considered so much a special deal as a return to the parts we eat up until the '70s. And frankly, you can eat those animal parts and still be relatively healthy, as the chefs who are reviving that cooking point out that Europeans eat like this, and are still healthier than Americans. I'd have thought that cooking would have hit San Fran as well by now, and much cheaper... - Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:08:48 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole I agree. On top of that, the guy may be right. It may be delicious but unless you go to China you'll never know. There is a special one night only party here in San Francisco where the host will cook parts of animals that are normally not eaten by folks such as "mountain oysters" or the brain. People pay up to $1000 to eat stuff that is eaten by black folks and southerners everyday. Does anyone stick up for alligators? They made shoes, luggage, and sausages out of them for years (still do) and they taste just like chicken. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I always get a chuckle out of stuff like this. Did this dude ever cook cow, chicken, duck, or pig? All are living animals that want to live. Pigs are actually smarter than cats or dogs, but no one cries out that they have rights. Why aren't animal rights groups upset over that? People seem to forget that if it walks, flies, crawls, or swims, there are societies where it will be eaten. Note how some in India won't eat cows, but in America it's practically our national food. I personally find the concept of people slurping down slimy mollusks revolting, but that's their preference. Frankly, I feel that the only people who could ever have anything approaching a right to criticize anyone's choice of eating a particular animal are pure vegans who don't eat, wear, or utilize anything that comes from an animal. - Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:48:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Richard Owen in Rome � 43 Comments Beppe Bigazzi says cat is better than chicken A top Italian food writer has been suspended indefinitely from the country�s version of the television programme Ready Steady Cook for recommending stewed cat to viewers as a �succulent dish�. RAI, the public broadcasting network, said that it had dropped Beppe Bigazzi, 77, for offering the recipe on La Prova del Cuoco, which is broadcast at midday on the main channel. Its switchboard was inundated with complaints from viewers and animal rights groups. Bigazzi said that casserole of cat was a famous dish in his home
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
I try very hard to avoid the whole seasonal movie thing that's taken hold since the '70s. I'm a strong believer that good films should be released when they are released. I reject that blockbusters don't just belong in the summer or Thanksgiving/Christmas, that serious fare shouldn't just be lumped into the end of the year so idiotic Oscar voters can remember it for voting, that crap films should always be dumped in August or February. I think we've gotten so programmed into thinking a certain type of film only works during a certain time, we hurt ourselves. I'd have seen Book of Eli any time of year, as its themes don't fit into any season for me. I get frustrated every year now because studios are so overloading the summer months with the big budget/FX stuff like Transformers, that some films get delayed a whole year. Of course there are holiday-specific films that are logically released next to the holiday they're showcasing, most notably Christmas. But in the main I feel you just put out a good product, get some marketing around it, and then let people appreciate it. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:51:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office I disagree with Paris being a summer movie. If it was a summer movie, it would have played in the summer. It was dumped in February for a reason - a good reason as it turns out. Case in point, The Book of Eli with its religious theme, should have been a Christmas movie. But it would have gotten crushed on Christmas Day. It's studio strategically placed it in the perfect window to be successful. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: I agree about From Paris being a summer time movie. The Jackie Chan movie too. Ford's movie is just a loose rip off of Lorenzo's oil which from what I'm hearing is a better film. It does however bring to light the serious issue of research not being done of rare diseases because it isn't good business. Edge of darkness seems more like a rip off of Taken (Liam Neeson). On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Daryle Lockhart dar...@...wrote: This is a good point I think, especially where From Paris is concerned. Put that same movie out between some summer pictures and it plays just fine. February was a horrible time for it, plus, let's be honest, until Travolta is totally OK, NONE of these pictures are going to do well. He's not promoting them, and folks want to hear from John. You could add The Spy Next Door to this list, but then you have The Shinjuku Incident, Jackie Chan's first dramatic role, a movie that just came out, which was in hella limited release. It's clear to me that Jackie is doing the family movies because he keeps getting hired. his passion seems to be elsewhere. Maybe it's the same with these other actors. Extraordinary Measures could star Will Smith, it would still be a movie made for TV, and as such, would not have done as well. Edge Of Darkness was a bad idea, and I'm afraid it's going to be the first of many bad ideas to come out in 2010 that will fail. NO argument that it died - it should have. Also, it's not that these actors are old, because remember Jennifer's Body? That was supposed to be a slam dunk. Who was more popular than Megan Fox? But the movie was horrible and was mismarketed. A good poster does not a marketing campaign make! Give the old guys a break. On Feb 16, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Mr. Worf wrote: I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo ! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] OT: Olympic Ice Dancer Learns Weight can be a Good Thing
In keeping with what we were discussing recently about perceptions of self-image. Everyone says this lady is gorgeous, but man was she too bony! I get that athletes need to watch their weight, but in this case she proves how the skewed mainstream perceptions of female body types is dangerous. Not only did she not *look* good when she was thin (though she thought she did), someone had to prove to her she wasn't *performing* well because she was too thin. She'd sacrificed muscle strength, stability, and overall energy level to keep to mainstream perceptions of skinny as beautiful. I still cringe when i see the likes of Angelina Jolie, Paris Hilton, Keira Knightley, etc., hailed as standards of beauty. At a recent awards show, I listened to people from E! magazine, as well as several TV shows, gush about how beautiful Jolie was. All could see was a head and big lips perched atop an alarmingly thin body. I hope this lady's story gets out to show girls and women that not only do they need to ignore the fashion industry's biases, but realize that you can be too thin after all in many cases. I mean, her's a world class athlete who can't put two-and-two together to realize that reducing her caloric intake might--just might--have something to do with her lack of energy? Scary. By the way, I've never heard of Disordered eating before. Isn't this what we just call not eating enough? *** http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/17/sports/olympics/17icedancers.html ASTON, Pa. — The American ice dancer Tanith Belbin looks at photographs of herself from the 2006 Turin Olympics and wants to hide her eyes. Skip to next paragraph Enlarge This Image Jonathan Ferrey/Getty Images Tanith Belbin and Benjamin Agosto en route to winning the silver medal at the U.S. Figure Skating Championships in January of this year. Back then, she never thought her legs were too spindly or that her body was too chopstick-thin for her to be a strong skater. She thought she looked just fine. “Ugh, I was so thin,” Belbin said in a recent interview at Ice Works, the rink where she trains with her partner, Ben Agosto . “You could see my bones jutting out; you could totally see my chest bone sticking out.” Heading into their second Games, Belbin and Agosto, the Olympic silver medalists in 2006 , are once again among the favorites to win a medal in the competition, which begins Friday with the compulsory dance. What should give them an edge this time, Belbin said, is something she would have never dreamed could help them: her newly found muscles and curves. She can thank one of her coaches, Natalia Linichuk, for that. Linichuk and Gennadi Karponosov, who were the 1980 Olympic ice dancing champions, began coaching Belbin and Agosto in the summer of 2008, when Belbin and Agosto left suburban Detroit for a fresh start. Linichuk took one look at the 5-foot-6, 105-pound Belbin and said, “You need to gain 10 pounds.” She said more muscle would help Belbin skate faster and more fluidly. “At first, I said no way, but then I started to understand that it needed to be done,” said Belbin, who is from Kirkland, Quebec, but holds dual citizenship. “I don’t feel like I had a safe, well-thought-out or well-researched diet until the past few years, until Natalia gave me that ultimatum.” As it turned out, Linichuk also ended up saving Belbin from a problem that has long plagued figure skaters: disordered eating. Often not as severe as eating disorders like anorexia and bulimia , disordered eating involves irregular eating habits that can be fueled by a distorted body image. Belbin said she had struggled with those issues since puberty . When she was 16 or 17, Belbin grew several inches and gained weight, which threw off her skating technique. As her body matured, she tried to fight it. As an ice dancer who wears tiny outfits and is often lifted by her partner, Belbin said that every extra pound seemed like 20. She never binged, purged or used laxatives, she said, but she restricted her calories to the minimum. She would eat a small breakfast, then later snack on celery or a few almonds to get her through the day. After practices, she was too weak to lift her arms. Once in her apartment, she would stare blankly ahead, sapped of energy. When she could not control her hunger, she would eat a huge dinner and find herself two pounds heavier. It horrified her. “I thought I was out of control and that the weight gain must be my fault,” she said. “I was like, I’m eating nothing and I’m still not losing weight. I swear, I’m not eating anything and I’m exhausted and cranky and stressed and all of those things that make you gain weight even more.” Agosto, who is from Chicago, said those eating problems were common in skating, where pressure is placed on female skaters to be wispy beauties. Because they are judged on their
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
I keep having this chicken or the egg dialog on this. Are studios having to
market a certain way to get audiences, or do audiences respond to certain
movies because studios are increasingly marketing a certain way?
The movie Brothers is a good example. That's the flick with Jake Gyllenhaal
and Tobey Maguire. By all accounts, it's a good character study of a family in
turmoil after supposedly dead soldier comes home, bringing his demons with him.
I've heard lots of praise for all the actors. But all the trailers played up
the action part. All i kept seeing in the trailers was Gyllenhaal and Natalie
Portman's forbidden kiss, and scenes of Maguire acting like a lunatic, breaking
glasses, standing around waving a gun, crazed. The movie's so much more than
that, but you wouldn't know it from those trailers.
- Original Message -
From: B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:55:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
The reaction to the trailer for the Harrison Ford movie spoke volumes. It
played to dead silence. Edge of Darkness was marketed like Taken 2 but from
what I've heard it wasn't a pleasant viewing experience.
The old formula picture doesn't seem to work at the box office unless they
throw some new spin on it. From Paris With Love was probably a slam dunk once
upon a time but the buddy cop genre seems stale now. I think Kevin Smith's Cop
Out is going to suffer the same fate.
Edgar Wright's Hot Fuzz lampooned the genre but replicated the genre tropes so
well and with so much love it was a joy to watch.
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote:
I expected more from Harrison's film because, apparently, he is still a box
office draw. I attend a lot of sneak previews (I am going to see Shutter
Island, tonight. These are typically oversold. The biggest crowd I have seen
this year was for the Ford picture. My date and I arrived an hour early and
could not get into the theater. For comparison, the second biggest crowd I
have seen for one of these was for Sherlock Holmes (which I also did not
get into) and Holmes proved to be a box office success. The Book of Eli was
well attended but the theater was not full and Eli has done respectable
business. I guess that is the problem with Hollywood: you never know.
~rave!
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote:
I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's
film
they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before
the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie.
It
doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well.
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote:
Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31
million)
John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52
million)
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Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole
I'm amazed. i've never lived anywhere with a sizable black population in the area where you can't find some type of soul food.- Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 4:00:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole There's a couple of "modified" soul food places and that is it. It has been a problem here for a long time. The first to go were the bbq places, followed quickly by the soul food restaurants. Most of the restaurants were ran by people that lacked time management and restaurant management skills so you could easily go in and end up waiting nearly an hour for an order. I guess people got tired of that. The restaurants that replaced the old ones were hybrid restaurants that offered food that catered to white people. So for example, instead of greens you got a dill salad or some other concoction. The rest try to make it into a $20+ a plate dinner and $15 for a small gumbo. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: No soul food? With Oakland right there? Dude that's sad!- Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:55:46 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Almost all of the soul food restaurants in a 50 mile radius are gone. You can't even find good bbq here anymore. The $1000 restaurant is a special "foody" event that is cooked by a "maverick" chef. My father still cooks chitterlings (or chitlin's) and other stinky fair. :) And yes, you can get a tripe burrito (and all of the other parts) here as well. They show the maverick chef on the travel channel and on the food channel once in a while. I think he is famous for making poprock ice cream as a desert. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Dude, a thousand bucks for entrails, brains, and the like? Are you kidding? I've had friends, neighbors and relatives all my life who've eaten stuff like that, be it country white and black folk, or frankly, the Mexicans in Texas and here in Atlanta. I can get you tripe or brain tacos at a Mexican joint here in Atlanta lickety-split. When I was in junior high back in the '70s, I can home one day to find the whole head of a slaughtered hog sitting on the kitchen table! I asked my mom what in the world was up. She said, "Boy, your daddy got a taste for hogshead cheese!" I find it odd that the events there are considered special. In Atlanta, at least, there's been a return to eating more "real" meat for a few years now. There are lots of top-rated restaurants where entrails and the like are eaten, and it's not considered so much a special deal as a return to the parts we eat up until the '70s. And frankly, you can eat those animal parts and still be relatively healthy, as the chefs who are reviving that cooking point out that Europeans eat like this, and are still healthier than Americans. I'd have thought that cooking would have hit San Fran as well by now, and much cheaper... - Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:08:48 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole I agree. On top of that, the guy may be right. It may be delicious but unless you go to China you'll never know. There is a special one night only party here in San Francisco where the host will cook parts of animals that are normally not eaten by folks such as "mountain oysters" or the brain. People pay up to $1000 to eat stuff that is eaten by black folks and southerners everyday. Does anyone stick up for alligators? They made shoes, luggage, and sausages out of them for years (still do) and they taste just like chicken. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I always get a chuckle out of stuff like this. Did this dude ever cook cow, chicken, duck, or pig? All are living animals that want to live. Pigs are actually smarter than cats or dogs, but no one cries out that they have rights. Why aren't animal rights groups upset over that? People seem to forget that if it walks, flies, crawls, or swims, there are societies where it will be eaten. Note how some in India won't eat cows, but in America it's practically our national food. I personally find the concept of people slurping down slimy mollusks revolting, but that's their preference. Frankly, I feel that the only people who could ever ha
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
Sorry, i love the Easy Rawlins novels. Great characters, great mysteries. I can see how it might have gotten him pigeonholed, though... - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 5:33:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office Although he was great at it (Face Off), John Woo was not a fan of the formulaic movies he was making. After MI-2, he thought he had the cachet to make the kind of movie he wanted. He made Windtalkers (2002) a well-intentioned movie starring Nicholas Cage that took in $77 million worldwide ($40 million in America) on a budget of $115 million. Windtalkers is his Heaven's Gate. This is why I don't write that urban lit shit even though I know I can get it published - I don't want to HAVE to write it. It is hard to get out of any ghetto. Walter Mosley wants to write SF but he wrote the Easy Rawlins' novels to get published. Now he is pigeon-holed as a detective fiction writer. It ain't terrible; but it ain't good, either. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: That statement reminds me of John Woo movies. At one time, his name was box office gold. After a string of hits using the same formula, and many people creating carbon copies, his name became synonymous with B-movies. What's he doing these days, has he had a comeback with a new formula? I never hear of him anymore -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:55 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office The old formula picture doesn't seem to work at the box office unless they throw some new spin on it. From Paris With Love was probably a slam dunk once upon a time but the buddy cop genre seems stale now. I think Kevin Smith's Cop Out is going to suffer the same fate. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: I expected more from Harrison's film because, apparently, he is still a box office draw. I attend a lot of sneak previews (I am going to see Shutter Island, tonight. These are typically oversold. The biggest crowd I have seen this year was for the Ford picture. My date and I arrived an hour early and could not get into the theater. For comparison, the second biggest crowd I have seen for one of these was for Sherlock Holmes (which I also did not get into) and Holmes proved to be a box office success. The Book of Eli was well attended but the theater was not full and Eli has done respectable business. I guess that is the problem with Hollywood: you never know. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole
I can understand that, though I haven't gone vegan myself, I respect it.- Original Message -From: "Adrianne Brennan" adrianne.bren...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 6:25:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole They do, actually. And it's why people like me go vegan. I don't see why I would eat a cow anymore than I would eat a cat or a dog. :(~ "Where love and magic meet" ~http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoonDare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I always get a chuckle out of stuff like this. Did this dude ever cook cow, chicken, duck, or pig? All are living animals that want to live. Pigs are actually smarter than cats or dogs, but no one cries out that they have rights. Why aren't animal rights groups upset over that? People seem to forget that if it walks, flies, crawls, or swims, there are societies where it will be eaten. Note how some in India won't eat cows, but in America it's practically our national food. I personally find the concept of people slurping down slimy mollusks revolting, but that's their preference. Frankly, I feel that the only people who could ever have anything approaching a right to criticize anyone's choice of eating a particular animal are pure vegans who don't eat, wear, or utilize anything that comes from an animal. - Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:48:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Richard Owen in Rome � 43 Comments Beppe Bigazzi says cat is better than chicken A top Italian food writer has been suspended indefinitely from the country�s version of the television programme Ready Steady Cook for recommending stewed cat to viewers as a �succulent dish�. RAI, the public broadcasting network, said that it had dropped Beppe Bigazzi, 77, for offering the recipe on La Prova del Cuoco, which is broadcast at midday on the main channel. Its switchboard was inundated with complaints from viewers and animal rights groups. Bigazzi said that casserole of cat was a famous dish in his home region of Valdarno, Tuscany. �I�ve eaten it myself and it�s a lot better than many other animals,� he told viewers. �Better than chicken, rabbit or pigeon.� He said that for optimum flavour the meat should be �soaked in spring water for three days� before being stewed. Elisa Isoardi, the programme�s presenter � who has a cat called Othello � tried to steer Bigazzi off the subject. Reports said that during the commercial break she and the show�s producers tried to persuade him to apologise to viewers but he refused. Related Links � ITV fined for butchery of I�m a Celebrity rat � Cats and dogs to be taken off menu in China Carla Rocchi, the head of ENPA, the Italian society for the protection of animals, said that killing cats was illegal. Francesca Martini, the Deputy Health Minister, said it was �absolutely unheard of for a public service broadcaster to tell people how delicious cats are to eat�. She called for the producers to be investigated for criminal offences involving incitement to mistreat animals. Bigazzi, a consumer affairs journalist and author of Cooking with Common Sense, has been one of the stars of La Prova del Cuoco for the past ten years. He is noted for his exuberant style and previously caused uproar by boiling lobsters live on the show. Yesterday he said that he had only been joking about the recipe, and he had been misunderstood. He added: �Mind you, I wasn�t joking all that much. In the 1930s and 1940s, when I was a boy, people certainly did eat cat in the countryside around Arezzo.� Food historians said that Italians in cities such as Vicenza devised cat recipes in times of economic hardship. Inhabitants of Vicenza are still nicknamed magnagati (cat eaters), and in some butchers� shops rabbits are sold with their heads to assure buyers that they are not cats. From pet to pot � In his 1529 treatise on cookery, Ruperto de Nola recommended spit-roasting cat basted with garlic and olive oil. He wrote: �Take the garlic with oil mixed with good broth so that it is coarse, and pour it over the cat and you can eat it for it is a good dish
Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole
I agree with you! I was just having a discussion with some friends on how some Americans think of Haitians as some kind of backwards, primitive people. (That foolishness with Pat Robertson saying the country sold its sold to the Devil, then talking about their voodoo ways and stuff). One of the things you'll always hear are the words voodoo and animal sacrifice used in the same sentence. Western Christian thought teaches us to look down on the use of animals in other cultures' religious ceremonies. Yet, as you pointed out, we slaughter and eat animals all the time, so what's the difference? And as a practicing Christian, I have to point out that our belief set is still based on sacrifice, as the Hebrews sacrificed animals to God. We've just replaced that physical act with the spiritual based on Jesus as the eternal sacrifice, even consuming his blood and body in the form of wine/grape juice and bread/crackers. - Original Message - From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 6:28:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Honestly? This. And I thank you for it. I see people getting all riled up over things such as animal sacrifice in certain religions, for instance, where an animal is killed quickly and humanely and then eaten. Yet these same people will chow down at Micky D's where a cow was tortured to produce their cheeseburger. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Frankly, I feel that the only people who could ever have anything approaching a right to criticize anyone's choice of eating a particular animal are pure vegans who don't eat, wear, or utilize anything that comes from an animal.
Re: [scifinoir2] Shocking photo of Roger Ebert
He's been battling this for years. He's had several bouts and several surgeries. This most recent one is the most severe, and resulted in his having to leave his long running TV show. Times like this remind us what a great thing the Internet can be: Ebert's not missed a beat in writing reviews and getting them published, thanks to a computer and an Internet connection. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 5:55:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Shocking photo of Roger Ebert Wow... On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com wrote: In a candid Esquire magazine interview, film critic and Hollywood icon Roger Ebert says there's no need to pity him, eight years after a thyroid cancer diagnosis, followed by surgeries that robbed him of speech and warped his face into a permanent smile. http://blogs.tampabay.com/.a/6a00d83451b05569e20120a8ad2114970b-pi http://blogs.tampabay.com/movies/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo ! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
His most recent film is Red Cliff, which I posted on just a few weeks back.
It comes in a four hour version, which was released in Asia, and a shortened
two-plus hour versions, which was released in the States. I'm looking for the
longer version now.
http://www.redclifffilm.com/
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To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
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That statement reminds me of John Woo movies. At one time, his name was box
office gold. After a string of hits using the same formula, and many people
creating carbon copies, his name became synonymous with B-movies.
What's he doing these days, has he had a comeback with a new formula? I
never hear of him anymore
-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On
Behalf Of B Smith
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:55 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box
Office
The old formula picture doesn't seem to work at the box office unless they
throw some new spin on it. From Paris With Love was probably a slam dunk
once upon a time but the buddy cop genre seems stale now. I think Kevin
Smith's Cop Out is going to suffer the same fate.
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote:
I expected more from Harrison's film because, apparently, he is still a
box office draw. I attend a lot of sneak previews (I am going to see
Shutter Island, tonight. These are typically oversold. The biggest crowd
I have seen this year was for the Ford picture. My date and I arrived an
hour early and could not get into the theater. For comparison, the second
biggest crowd I have seen for one of these was for Sherlock Holmes (which
I also did not get into) and Holmes proved to be a box office success. The
Book of Eli was well attended but the theater was not full and Eli has
done respectable business. I guess that is the problem with Hollywood: you
never know.
~rave!
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote:
I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's
film
they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen
before
the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical
movie. It
doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well.
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote:
Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million
(budget:$31
million)
John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million
(budget:$52
million)
Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80
million)
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Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole
That's really sad. One good thing about living here in the South is that there are lots of soul food places. And, since Southern cooking is in many cases the same (fried chicken, greens, candied yams, etc) one can get good food of that type from some white-owned restaurants as well. Although to be frank, the best soul/Southern food I've had is still to be found back home in Texas. Some of the spices used here aren't quite as robust. And for my Texan's taste, there's still precious little good barbecue to be found in Atlanta. The South is focused mostly on pig whereas Texas BBQ is more beef based, sauce tends to be watery/vinegary or mustard based here, while Texas sauce is often thicker, sweeter, and less vinegary. And I've yet to find a lot of Atlantan BBQ joints that realize the meet should be cooked and seasoned so well that you don't have to put sauce on it (even though you do so!) Many places here don't really smoke the meat, and don't season it well, so that sauce becomes a necessity.- Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 10:27:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole There are a couple of places here that does fish and chicken, but the rest are pretty bad or very small. There was a small chain of bbq restaurants here called Emilo Villas and now there are down to one place about 20 miles from here. Even the black owned burger joints are almost all gone. There is only couple left. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I'm amazed. i've never lived anywhere with a sizable black population in the area where you can't find some type of soul food. - Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 4:00:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole There's a couple of "modified" soul food places and that is it. It has been a problem here for a long time. The first to go were the bbq places, followed quickly by the soul food restaurants. Most of the restaurants were ran by people that lacked time management and restaurant management skills so you could easily go in and end up waiting nearly an hour for an order. I guess people got tired of that. The restaurants that replaced the old ones were hybrid restaurants that offered food that catered to white people. So for example, instead of greens you got a dill salad or some other concoction. The rest try to make it into a $20+ a plate dinner and $15 for a small gumbo. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: No soul food? With Oakland right there? Dude that's sad!- Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:55:46 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Almost all of the soul food restaurants in a 50 mile radius are gone. You can't even find good bbq here anymore. The $1000 restaurant is a special "foody" event that is cooked by a "maverick" chef. My father still cooks chitterlings (or chitlin's) and other stinky fair. :) And yes, you can get a tripe burrito (and all of the other parts) here as well. They show the maverick chef on the travel channel and on the food channel once in a while. I think he is famous for making poprock ice cream as a desert. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Dude, a thousand bucks for entrails, brains, and the like? Are you kidding? I've had friends, neighbors and relatives all my life who've eaten stuff like that, be it country white and black folk, or frankly, the Mexicans in Texas and here in Atlanta. I can get you tripe or brain tacos at a Mexican joint here in Atlanta lickety-split. When I was in junior high back in the '70s, I can home one day to find the whole head of a slaughtered hog sitting on the kitchen table! I asked my mom what in the world was up. She said, "Boy, your daddy got a taste for hogshead cheese!" I find it odd that the events there are considered special. In Atlanta, at least, there's been a return to eating more "real" meat for a few years now. There are lots of top-rated restaurants where entrails and the like are eaten, and it's not considered so much a special deal as a return to the parts we eat up until the '70s. And frankly, you can eat those animal parts and still be relatively healthy, as the chefs who are reviving that cooking point out that E
[scifinoir2] Leverage Season Finale
Anyone catch the Leverage two-part season finale tonight? Pretty good, took a couple of surprising turns, had a good cliffhanger ending (as all shows like this and Burn Notice do). Good fun show, not too dramatic, just breezy fun. I think I compared a lot of the cable shows like this and Burn Notice to the fun shows of old I used to enjoy, like The Rockford Files, I Spy, Man from UNCLE. I've said this before, but more and more I find that the majority of shows I watch regularly are on cable: Leverage, Burn Notice, White Collar, Psych, In Plain Sight, The Closer, Saving Grace. Throw in some cartoons like Secret Saturdays, Ben 10, Batman Brave and the Bold, and Wolverine and the X-Men. Then add in the History and Discovery channel fare I love: Pawn Stars, Life After People, The Universe, How the Earth was Made. Mix in BBC add a liberal dosage of broadcast-TV-canceling-moving-shows-around, and I'm watching broadcast TV much less nowadays.
[scifinoir2] Cave in Mexico has World's Largest Crystals
This is freakin' awesome! Who says you need to go to outer space to find alien environments? This reminds me of innumerable scifi films I've seen over the years with similar settings... This is definitely worth taking a look at. Click on the pics for a larger view. * http://www.stormchaser.ca/Caves/Naica/Naica.html The Crystal Cave of Giants was accidentally discovered in 2000 by miners working in the silver and lead mine at Naica, Mexico. It lies almost 300 meters (900 feet) below the surface of the Earth and it contains the largest crystals known in the world, by far. The largest crystals are over 11 meters long (36 feet) and weigh 55 tons. The crystals themselves are made of selenite which is crystallized gypsum, the same material used in drywall construction. Except these crystals formed over a span of about half a million years in a hot water solution, saturated with minerals. The the temperature inside the cave remained very consistently hot for the entire time the crystals were growing. It is still incredibly hot in the cave due its proximity to a magma chamber, deep underground. The air temperature is 50C with a relative humidity of over 90%, making the air feel like an unbearable 105C (228F) Entering the cave without special protective suits can be fatal in 15 minutes. I will be entering the cave wearing a special cooling suit with chilling packs inside and a specialized backpack respirator which will allow me to breath chilled air. Even with all this equipment, I will still only be able to stay in the cave for no more than 45 minutes at a time. In extreme heat, the body begins to lose higher brain functions which made the expedition much more difficult with the risk of falling into deep pits, or being impaled on a sharp crystal. All the camera gear needs to be slowly brought up to temperature beforehand by pre-heating it and most cameras with moving parts and tape mechanisms simply will not work at all. It is as dangerous as it is beautiful. When the call comes over the radio to get out... It is time to go. Climbing up onto one of the larger crystals. When we first arrived at the Naica mine, Manuel and his crew took us inside without wearing the special cooling suits. This was in order to get us used to what REAL heat is like. There is a steel door protecting the cave and as soon as you pass through it, the temperature hits you like a truck, but as soon as you get your first glimpse of the incredible crystals, you want to keep going deeper. We were inside for only 14 minutes, which was pushing the danger limits without cooling suits. When we exited, the staging area was a cool 41 Celsius. My heart was pounding and I was completely soaked in sweat, my shirts, pants, socks boots... Everything. All we could do was sit, drink and rest. The next day, the real exploration began. We had left our camera gear inside the cave the night before, sealed up in air tight bags so that it could slowly warm up to the ambient temperature of the cave. Without doing this, all the gear would fog up, form a layer of condensation and become totally useless.
Re: [scifinoir2] Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
Learn their lesson? Are you kidding?! Man, last night I saw a commercial for a rom-com with Jennifer Anniston and Gerard 300 Butler. This is the second or third movie like this for him, I believe, but even my rom-com-loving wife agreed with my assessment that the movie looks awful. I had the misfortune of paying to see The Awful Truth, Butler's rom-com with Catherine Hiegel, which was really awful. Yet here they are, doing it again... And didn't I hear they're talking about a Bad Boys 3? The second film was so bad I nearly walked out, yet hear we go again. Learn their lesson? Never! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:57:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office All three movies are fit into an overused formula that is at least 20 years old. Cop avenges the death of his partner, wife, daughter. Doctor working on a cure but can't get the money. Wild man mericanoffers payback on them dar terrorists. Hollywood still hasn't learned their lesson yet. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 6:36 PM, George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com wrote: Maybe they were just garbage movies. This time of year my main focus is sports. Being that I have college and pro season tix,the urge just ain't there for me..But with the timeline from general release and DVd being smaller and smaller I'm not proessed to see a movie. as I once was. Avatar was a once in a generational thing I had to view. but something that Ford,Travolta and Gibson slept walked thru for 10 mil plus, i'll pass. From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, February 16, 2010 8:56:24 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo. com wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo ! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
Hollywood loves the America's Sweetheart label, which they keep forcefeeding us about Anniston. I think she's okay as an actress. At least, she's better than a lot of the other skinny blondes given movie and TV roles. But I agree: she's not someone who makes me want to see a movie, not like Meryl Streep or even Michelle Pfeiffer in the right role. I'm okay with rom-coms and so-called chick flicks. Done right they can be really funny and clever, decent time wasters. For black people, there are movies like Brown Sugar, The Brothers, Two Can Play that Game, Love Jones, all of which I really like. Problem is H'wood churns out rom-coms like a factory, and typically they just suck. - Original Message - From: George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:14:26 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office Why is Jennifer Anniston still given scripts? This chick is so one-dimensional its not even funny. That Meg Ryan for the decade is played out also. I steer clear of chick flicks or romantic comedies like the plague. I hope alot of sisters didn't see Valentine's Day. Mr. Foxx may get the Wesley Snipes treatment. From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, February 16, 2010 11:08:42 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office Learn their lesson? Are you kidding?! Man, last night I saw a commercial for a rom-com with Jennifer Anniston and Gerard 300 Butler. This is the second or third movie like this for him, I believe, but even my rom-com-loving wife agreed with my assessment that the movie looks awful. I had the misfortune of paying to see The Awful Truth, Butler's rom-com with Catherine Hiegel, which was really awful. Yet here they are, doing it again... And didn't I hear they're talking about a Bad Boys 3? The second film was so bad I nearly walked out, yet hear we go again. Learn their lesson? Never! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:57:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office All three movies are fit into an overused formula that is at least 20 years old. Cop avenges the death of his partner, wife, daughter. Doctor working on a cure but can't get the money. Wild man mericanoffers payback on them dar terrorists. Hollywood still hasn't learned their lesson yet. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 6:36 PM, George Arterberry brotherfromhoward@ yahoo.com wrote: Maybe they were just garbage movies. This time of year my main focus is sports. Being that I have college and pro season tix,the urge just ain't there for me..But with the timeline from general release and DVd being smaller and smaller I'm not proessed to see a movie. as I once was. Avatar was a once in a generational thing I had to view. but something that Ford,Travolta and Gibson slept walked thru for 10 mil plus, i'll pass. From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tue, February 16, 2010 8:56:24 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo. com wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo ! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Cave in Mexico has World's Largest Crystals
You're right! It also puts me in mind of this crazy scifi flick I saw way back in the early '70s? It's a BW film about these giant crystals that start growing on Earth, menacing the population. I think those crystals were large and black, though. Gotta find that flick... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:13:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Cave in Mexico has World's Largest Crystals That's Superman's fortress of solitude. :) On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: This is freakin' awesome! Who says you need to go to outer space to find alien environments? This reminds me of innumerable scifi films I've seen over the years with similar settings... This is definitely worth taking a look at. Click on the pics for a larger view. * http://www.stormchaser.ca/Caves/Naica/Naica.html The Crystal Cave of Giants was accidentally discovered in 2000 by miners working in the silver and lead mine at Naica, Mexico. It lies almost 300 meters (900 feet) below the surface of the Earth and it contains the largest crystals known in the world, by far. The largest crystals are over 11 meters long (36 feet) and weigh 55 tons. The crystals themselves are made of selenite which is crystallized gypsum, the same material used in drywall construction. Except these crystals formed over a span of about half a million years in a hot water solution, saturated with minerals. The the temperature inside the cave remained very consistently hot for the entire time the crystals were growing. It is still incredibly hot in the cave due its proximity to a magma chamber, deep underground. The air temperature is 50C with a relative humidity of over 90%, making the air feel like an unbearable 105C (228F) Entering the cave without special protective suits can be fatal in 15 minutes. I will be entering the cave wearing a special cooling suit with chilling packs inside and a specialized backpack respirator which will allow me to breath chilled air. Even with all this equipment, I will still only be able to stay in the cave for no more than 45 minutes at a time. In extreme heat, the body begins to lose higher brain functions which made the expedition much more difficult with the risk of falling into deep pits, or being impaled on a sharp crystal. All the camera gear needs to be slowly brought up to temperature beforehand by pre-heating it and most cameras with moving parts and tape mechanisms simply will not work at all. It is as dangerous as it is beautiful. When the call comes over the radio to get out... It is time to go. Climbing up onto one of the larger crystals. When we first arrived at the Naica mine, Manuel and his crew took us inside without wearing the special cooling suits. This was in order to get us used to what REAL heat is like. There is a steel door protecting the cave and as soon as you pass through it, the temperature hits you like a truck, but as soon as you get your first glimpse of the incredible crystals, you want to keep going deeper. We were inside for only 14 minutes, which was pushing the danger limits without cooling suits. When we exited, the staging area was a cool 41 Celsius. My heart was pounding and I was completely soaked in sweat, my shirts, pants, socks boots... Everything. All we could do was sit, drink and rest. The next day, the real exploration began. We had left our camera gear inside the cave the night before, sealed up in air tight bags so that it could slowly warm up to the ambient temperature of the cave. Without doing this, all the gear would fog up, form a layer of condensation and become totally useless. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] OT: Family Guy Ep on Down Syndrome Child Angers Palen
I have to say I get her being offended/pissed at this one. It is directed straight at her, with the former governor of Alaska comment. If it were me, I'd be ticked. And understand this: I think Palin is an opportunistic, narrow-minded, prejudiced, self-righteous, empty-headed, petty person who tries to manipulate men and women alike with a wink and a smile, meaningless repetitive scripted speeches, and a overdone play as being just a normal American. So no love for Palin from me. I do get, though, how this could steam her. Were it being pointed at my son or daughter, I'd be pissed. But on the other hand, this also slightly reeks of the late Isaac Hayes' hypocrisy for getting pissed at the Southpark guys for lampooning Scientology. All the irreverent, tasteless, cruel, sexist/racist things Southpark had done over the years, Hayes participated in, yet he drew the line at Scientology? Likewise, how often has Palin attacked Family Guy or other programs on behalf of women, people of color, the poor, etc., when such have been portrayed in satire? The lady barely tackles Limbaugh, but up in arms on this? She has a right to be upset, yeah, but spare me the selective righteous outrage from a lady who felt perfectly comfortable calling Obama a terrorist, and using not-too-subtle language that the real America was only to be found among white, rural towns. Go 'way Sarah, please! - Original Message - From: Cinque3000 cinque3...@verizon.net To: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Cc: tdemorse...@multiculturaladvantage.com , dar...@darylelockhart.com , afrikanm...@hotmail.com , bettil...@msn.com , duva...@hotmail.com , fis...@bellsouth.net , jeffreypbal...@gmail.com , killa...@gmail.com , imke...@gmail.com , seriousnup...@yahoo.com , logic1...@aol.com , truthseeker...@icqmail.com , mmb1...@gmail.com , michael v w gordon michael.v.w.gor...@gmail.com , ravena...@yahoo.com , rs...@yahoo.com , everything...@nyc.rr.com , valeryjea...@yahoo.com , wendellsmit...@gmail.com , sonofafieldne...@sbcglobal.net , williamsf...@speakeasy.net , beta...@yahoo.com , dorothyh...@sbcglobal.net , kalpub...@aol.com , Albert Fields cbilmarket...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:19:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Palin, daughter lash out at 'Family Guy' episode Palin, daughter lash out at 'Family Guy' episode AP Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin speaks before the NASCAR Daytona 500 auto race atAP – Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin speaks before the NASCAR Daytona 500 auto race at Daytona International … By BECKY BOHRER, Associated Press Writer Becky Bohrer, Associated Press Writer – 2 hrs 8 mins ago JUNEAU, Alaska – Sarah Palin is lashing out at the portrayal of a character with Down syndrome on the Fox animated comedy Family Guy . In a Facebook posting headlined Fox Hollywood — What a Disappointment, the 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee and current Fox News contributor said Sunday night's episode felt like another kick in the gut. Palin's youngest son, Trig, has Down syndrome. The episode features the character Chris falling for a girl with Down syndrome. On a date, he asks what her parents do. She replies: My dad's an accountant, and my mom is the former governor of Alaska. Palin resigned as Alaska governor last summer. Palin's oldest daughter, Bristol, also was quoted on her mother's Facebook page, calling the show's writers heartless jerks. When you're the son or daughter of a public figure, you have to develop thick skin. My siblings and I all have that, but insults directed at our youngest brother hurt too much for us to remain silent, she is quoted as saying. If the writers of a particularly pathetic cartoon show thought they were being clever in mocking my brother and my family yesterday, they failed, Bristol Palin added in the Monday posting. All they proved is that they're heartless jerks. Palin wrote that she'd asked her daughter what she thought of the show and Bristol's reply was a much more restrained and gracious statement than I want to make about an issue that begs the question: When is enough enough? This isn't the first time Palin has spoken out over an attack, real or perceived, on her family. Last year, she condemned a joke David Letterman made about her daughter, for which he later apologized. A Family Guy publicist didn't immediately return an e-mail seeking comment.
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Family Guy Ep on Down Syndrome Child Angers Palen
I truly shudder at the thought of McCain winning. I frankly wonder if the rigors of presidency would have proven too much for McCain, and we'd be talking about President Palin at this point. And this is really wild, but Palin as Prez frightens me more than Cheney in the same role. Cheney is a martinet and autocrat, but at least at lot of what he is would be focused on his nutty overseas policies and creating a gestapo state. Bad, yes, but Palin would do all that and bring a measure of pettiness, personal grudges, and prejudice that would set us back generations. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:47:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Family Guy Ep on Down Syndrome Child Angers Palen I watched that episode last night. I knew that they would get some crap for that quote. I think the point that they were trying to make is although we may feel sorry for people with disabilities the Palin's are still assholes. Can you imagine how wacky things would have been by now if they had won? On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I have to say I get her being offended/pissed at this one. It is directed straight at her, with the former governor of Alaska comment. If it were me, I'd be ticked. And understand this: I think Palin is an opportunistic, narrow-minded, prejudiced, self-righteous, empty-headed, petty person who tries to manipulate men and women alike with a wink and a smile, meaningless repetitive scripted speeches, and a overdone play as being just a normal American. So no love for Palin from me. I do get, though, how this could steam her. Were it being pointed at my son or daughter, I'd be pissed. But on the other hand, this also slightly reeks of the late Isaac Hayes' hypocrisy for getting pissed at the Southpark guys for lampooning Scientology. All the irreverent, tasteless, cruel, sexist/racist things Southpark had done over the years, Hayes participated in, yet he drew the line at Scientology? Likewise, how often has Palin attacked Family Guy or other programs on behalf of women, people of color, the poor, etc., when such have been portrayed in satire? The lady barely tackles Limbaugh, but up in arms on this? She has a right to be upset, yeah, but spare me the selective righteous outrage from a lady who felt perfectly comfortable calling Obama a terrorist, and using not-too-subtle language that the real America was only to be found among white, rural towns. Go 'way Sarah, please! - Original Message - From: Cinque3000 cinque3...@verizon.net To: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Cc: tdemorse...@multiculturaladvantage.com , dar...@darylelockhart.com , afrikanm...@hotmail.com , bettil...@msn.com , duva...@hotmail.com , fis...@bellsouth.net , jeffreypbal...@gmail.com , killa...@gmail.com , imke...@gmail.com , seriousnup...@yahoo.com , logic1...@aol.com , truthseeker...@icqmail.com , mmb1...@gmail.com , michael v w gordon michael.v.w.gor...@gmail.com , ravena...@yahoo.com , rs...@yahoo.com , everything...@nyc.rr.com , valeryjea...@yahoo.com , wendellsmit...@gmail.com , sonofafieldne...@sbcglobal.net , williamsf...@speakeasy.net , beta...@yahoo.com , dorothyh...@sbcglobal.net , kalpub...@aol.com , Albert Fields cbilmarket...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:19:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Palin, daughter lash out at 'Family Guy' episode Palin, daughter lash out at 'Family Guy' episode AP Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin speaks before the NASCAR Daytona 500 auto race atAP – Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin speaks before the NASCAR Daytona 500 auto race at Daytona International … By BECKY BOHRER, Associated Press Writer Becky Bohrer, Associated Press Writer – 2 hrs 8 mins ago JUNEAU, Alaska – Sarah Palin is lashing out at the portrayal of a character with Down syndrome on the Fox animated comedy Family Guy . In a Facebook posting headlined Fox Hollywood — What a Disappointment, the 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee and current Fox News contributor said Sunday night's episode felt like another kick in the gut. Palin's youngest son, Trig, has Down syndrome. The episode features the character Chris falling for a girl with Down syndrome. On a date, he asks what her parents do. She replies: My dad's an accountant, and my mom is the former governor of Alaska. Palin resigned as Alaska governor last summer. Palin's oldest daughter, Bristol, also was quoted on her mother's Facebook page, calling the show's writers heartless jerks. When you're the son or daughter of a public figure, you have to develop thick skin. My siblings and I all have that, but insults directed at our youngest brother hurt too much for us to remain silent, she is quoted as saying. If the writers of a particularly
Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole
I always get a chuckle out of stuff like this. Did this dude ever cook cow, chicken, duck, or pig? All are living animals that want to live. Pigs are actually smarter than cats or dogs, but no one cries out that they have rights. Why aren't animal rights groups upset over that? People seem to forget that if it walks, flies, crawls, or swims, there are societies where it will be eaten. Note how some in India won't eat cows, but in America it's practically our national food. I personally find the concept of people slurping down slimy mollusks revolting, but that's their preference. Frankly, I feel that the only people who could ever have anything approaching a right to criticize anyone's choice of eating a particular animal are pure vegans who don't eat, wear, or utilize anything that comes from an animal.- Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:48:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Richard Owen in Rome � 43 Comments Beppe Bigazzi says cat is better than chicken A top Italian food writer has been suspended indefinitely from the country�s version of the television programme Ready Steady Cook for recommending stewed cat to viewers as a �succulent dish�. RAI, the public broadcasting network, said that it had dropped Beppe Bigazzi, 77, for offering the recipe on La Prova del Cuoco, which is broadcast at midday on the main channel. Its switchboard was inundated with complaints from viewers and animal rights groups. Bigazzi said that casserole of cat was a famous dish in his home region of Valdarno, Tuscany. �I�ve eaten it myself and it�s a lot better than many other animals,� he told viewers. �Better than chicken, rabbit or pigeon.� He said that for optimum flavour the meat should be �soaked in spring water for three days� before being stewed. Elisa Isoardi, the programme�s presenter � who has a cat called Othello � tried to steer Bigazzi off the subject. Reports said that during the commercial break she and the show�s producers tried to persuade him to apologise to viewers but he refused. Related Links � ITV fined for butchery of I�m a Celebrity rat � Cats and dogs to be taken off menu in China Carla Rocchi, the head of ENPA, the Italian society for the protection of animals, said that killing cats was illegal. Francesca Martini, the Deputy Health Minister, said it was �absolutely unheard of for a public service broadcaster to tell people how delicious cats are to eat�. She called for the producers to be investigated for criminal offences involving incitement to mistreat animals. Bigazzi, a consumer affairs journalist and author of Cooking with Common Sense, has been one of the stars of La Prova del Cuoco for the past ten years. He is noted for his exuberant style and previously caused uproar by boiling lobsters live on the show. Yesterday he said that he had only been joking about the recipe, and he had been misunderstood. He added: �Mind you, I wasn�t joking all that much. In the 1930s and 1940s, when I was a boy, people certainly did eat cat in the countryside around Arezzo.� Food historians said that Italians in cities such as Vicenza devised cat recipes in times of economic hardship. Inhabitants of Vicenza are still nicknamed magnagati (cat eaters), and in some butchers� shops rabbits are sold with their heads to assure buyers that they are not cats. From pet to pot � In his 1529 treatise on cookery, Ruperto de Nola recommended spit-roasting cat basted with garlic and olive oil. He wrote: �Take the garlic with oil mixed with good broth so that it is coarse, and pour it over the cat and you can eat it for it is a good dish� � The Spanish _expression_ pasar gato por liebre derives from the practice of hunters trying to sell skinned cats as hares. When butchered, the animals are supposed to look almost identical � In 2007 Australians at a cooking contest in Alice Springs sought to curb the feral cat population by using them in a dish. One judge found the cat casserole so tough that she had to spit it out � Last month legal experts in China responded to pressure from the country�s middle class and proposed a ban on eating cat and dog meat. Both are traditional Chinese dishes but if the law is passed people caught eating cats could face 15 days in prison Sources: agencies, florilegium.org, statemaster.com http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/article7029058.ece -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole
Dude, a thousand bucks for entrails, brains, and the like? Are you kidding? I've had friends, neighbors and relatives all my life who've eaten stuff like that, be it country white and black folk, or frankly, the Mexicans in Texas and here in Atlanta. I can get you tripe or brain tacos at a Mexican joint here in Atlanta lickety-split. When I was in junior high back in the '70s, I can home one day to find the whole head of a slaughtered hog sitting on the kitchen table! I asked my mom what in the world was up. She said, "Boy, your daddy got a taste for hogshead cheese!"I find it odd that the events there are considered special. In Atlanta, at least, there's been a return to eating more "real" meat for a few years now. There are lots of top-rated restaurants where entrails and the like are eaten, and it's not considered so much a special deal as a return to the parts we eat up until the '70s. And frankly, you can eat those animal parts and still be relatively healthy, as the chefs who are reviving that cooking point out that Europeans eat like this, and are still healthier than Americans. I'd have thought that cooking would have hit San Fran as well by now, and much cheaper...- Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:08:48 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole I agree. On top of that, the guy may be right. It may be delicious but unless you go to China you'll never know. There is a special one night only party here in San Francisco where the host will cook parts of animals that are normally not eaten by folks such as "mountain oysters" or the brain. People pay up to $1000 to eat stuff that is eaten by black folks and southerners everyday. Does anyone stick up for alligators? They made shoes, luggage, and sausages out of them for years (still do) and they taste just like chicken. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I always get a chuckle out of stuff like this. Did this dude ever cook cow, chicken, duck, or pig? All are living animals that want to live. Pigs are actually smarter than cats or dogs, but no one cries out that they have rights. Why aren't animal rights groups upset over that? People seem to forget that if it walks, flies, crawls, or swims, there are societies where it will be eaten. Note how some in India won't eat cows, but in America it's practically our national food. I personally find the concept of people slurping down slimy mollusks revolting, but that's their preference. Frankly, I feel that the only people who could ever have anything approaching a right to criticize anyone's choice of eating a particular animal are pure vegans who don't eat, wear, or utilize anything that comes from an animal. - Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:48:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Richard Owen in Rome � 43 Comments Beppe Bigazzi says cat is better than chicken A top Italian food writer has been suspended indefinitely from the country�s version of the television programme Ready Steady Cook for recommending stewed cat to viewers as a �succulent dish�. RAI, the public broadcasting network, said that it had dropped Beppe Bigazzi, 77, for offering the recipe on La Prova del Cuoco, which is broadcast at midday on the main channel. Its switchboard was inundated with complaints from viewers and animal rights groups. Bigazzi said that casserole of cat was a famous dish in his home region of Valdarno, Tuscany. �I�ve eaten it myself and it�s a lot better than many other animals,� he told viewers. �Better than chicken, rabbit or pigeon.� He said that for optimum flavour the meat should be �soaked in spring water for three days� before being stewed. Elisa Isoardi, the programme�s presenter � who has a cat called Othello � tried to steer Bigazzi off the subject. Reports said that during the commercial break she and the show�s producers tried to persuade him to apologise to viewers but he refused. Related Links � ITV fined for butchery of I�m a Celebrity rat � Cats and dogs to be taken off menu in China Carla Rocchi, the head of ENPA, the Italian society for the protection of animals, said that killing cats was illegal. Francesca Martini, the Deputy Health Minister, said it was �absolutely unheard of for a public service broadcaster to tell people how delicious cats are to eat�. She called for the producers to be investigated for
[scifinoir2] Hottest temperature ever heads science to Big Bang
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100215/sc_nm/us_physics_temperature Hottest temperature ever heads science to Big Bang By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Editor Maggie Fox, Health And Science Editor – Mon Feb 15, 11:23 am ET WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Scientists have created the hottest temperature ever in the lab -- 4 trillion degrees Celsius -- hot enough to break matter down into the kind of soup that existed microseconds after the birth of the universe. They used a giant atom smasher at the U.S. Department of Energy's Brookhaven National Laboratory in New York to knock gold ions together to make the ultra-hot explosions -- which lasted only for milliseconds. But that is enough to give physicists fodder for years of study that they hope will help them understand why and how the universe formed. That temperature is hot enough to melt protons and neutrons , Brookhaven's Steven Vigdor told a news conference at a meeting of the American Physical Society in Washington on Monday. These particles make up atoms, but they are themselves made up of smaller components called quarks and gluons. What the physicists are looking for are tiny irregularities that can explain why matter clumped out of the primeval hot soup. They also hope to use their findings for more practical applications -- such as in the field of spintronics that aims to make smaller, faster and more powerful computing devices. They used the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC, pronounced rick), a particle accelerator and collider that is 2.4 mile around and buried 12 feet underground in Upton, New York to collide gold ions billions of times. RHIC was designed to create matter at temperatures first encountered in the early universe, Vigdor said. They calculate the 4 trillion degree temperature gets pretty close. How hot is it? he asked. In comparison, The predicted melting temperature of protons and neutrons is 2 trillion degrees. The temperatures at the core of a typical type-2 supernova is 2 billion degrees, he said. The center of our sun is 50 million degrees, iron melts at 1,800 degrees and the average temperature of the universe is now 0.7 of a degree above absolute zero. BIRTH OF MATTER Vigdor's team believe they are looking at a recreation of the moment just before the quark-gluon soup condensed into hadrons -- the particles of matter that make up most of our universe. Something happened in the milliseconds after the Big Bang to create an imbalance in favor of matter over anti-matter. If there had not been this disparity, matter and anti-matter would have simply reacted to create a universe of pure energy. Later this year, physicists using the Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland hope to smash lead ions together to create even hotter temperatures that should replicate moments even earlier in the birth of the universe. Brookhaven has also patented some potential commercial applications of the research, said theorist Dmitri Kharzeev. The goal here is to create a device that can operate not only on the current of an electric charge but also on the current of spin, Kharzeev told the news conference. Quarks spin in different directions and understanding how and why they do this can help scientists harness the power. It may be possible to replicate a symmetrical spin in graphene, for example, said Kharzeev. Graphene is a so-called nanomaterial that scientists believe may replace silicon in super-fast and super-small devices. We are thinking of other practical applications as well, said Kharzeev. (Editing by Sandra Maler)
Re: [scifinoir2] Outlook grim for gaming industry
I sometimes have a that's what you get! attitude about EA because they've become the Microsoft of the gaming industry. They've gobbled up a lot of smaller, innovative companies, crushed creativity and originality in many of those they acquired, and have put together exclusive deals (like their deals with NFL football) that shut out other companies. I think they've become a slothful behemoth that, as you said, is too big and bloated for its own good. Meanwhile, the Will--whose potential was underappreciated and underused--pointed the way to many aspects of gaming's future that should be examined, including going back to simple to play, fun games that don't break the bank, and a return to the more simple retro games that have done so well from Nintendo's game download site. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:28:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Outlook grim for gaming industry EA lost a lot of money with Spore over the last couple of years. They were trying to capitalize on the success of the Sims (1,2,3) franchise and turn it into aliens/exploration/space travel game. The problem that they made with the game was that you cannot please everyone with a G rated game when the gaming audience is mostly teens and adults. I think what also hurt them was the greed behind offering exclusive rights to games. So instead of having revenue stream from PS3, XBOX, and Wii gamers you may only get PS3 or XBOX. Instead of turning a profit you may only break even. Another problem is I think that EA is too massive for their own good. They had over 58,000 employees before they did layoffs a few months ago. That's huge for a game company. What could save some of the companies like EA is diversification. Why not come out with an innovative product that isn't a big overdeveloped game? Every game that EA makes goes into production like a $100 million dollar Hollywood movie. That is crazy! Spend it on the money makes like Sims, or Madden and not on titles that are not as good. On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com wrote: http://seekingalpha.com/article/172426-electronic-arts-job-cuts-grim-outlook-for-game-industry http://www.bruceongames.com/2009/08/05/why-electronics-arts-losses-doubled/ Electronic Arts (EA) have been making so many losses for so long that I am amazed that nobody has done anything about it. This time they have doubled their loss for their first quarter from $95 million to $234 million, massive figures, nearly $4 million every working day down the grid. They have been a prime takeover target for ages but still nobody has moved to buy them. Let's see what could be going wrong: -Boxed console games in this generation mostly make a loss. The business model is not very good. -The market is polarising into a small number of genre leading mega hits (GT, GTA, CoD etc) and a large number of underperforming me too titles. EA have too few of the former and too many of the latter. -There is still an emphasis on the misguided and self defeating practice of concentrating game releases in Q4 each year. Publishers got the Wii wrong. They came to it too late and with too much drossy shovelware. EA is starting to perform here, but over a year late. -MMOs are exploding. EA have massively underperformed in this market. EA were late at moving from licensed product to owning their own IP. It has been a painful transition. -It is possible to put in management targets and exception reporting systems that get rid of whole swathes of suits. So more people in a company are engaged in actually making and selling product. Marketing has changed from being TV advertising based to being fragmented engagement with communities. Many marketing departments have not moved with the times. Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo ! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way
I liked the second, but constantly get disappointed at how it missed its potential. The trailers for that film had Epic written all over them. Some of the concepts are amazing, sweeping: The Necromonger forces, those giant statues they landed on planets, the whole strange holy war thing. Great stuff, should have resulted in a film as impressive as LOTR. But too much time was wasted on standard scifi cliches, like the whole prison planet thing, and not enough time actually with the Necros. Just missed the mark, and I've always wanted a return to that world to see it done right. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:46:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Gosh...I guess I'm the only one that did NOT like the second movie... Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Sat, 2/13/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 2:48 PM No you misunderstood. My puritanical sensibilities were shocked about your “ Maybe I'm distracted by the regions below the neck.’ I never noticed such things, I was drawn to the character’s cerebral prowess. ( I typed that with a straight face) However, I agree with you about both movies. I liked the universe that they created in Riddick From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Aubrey Leatherwood Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 3:24 AM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Just sayin' Tracey, no resemblance in that area :) I am really excited that the movie is greenlit, although I'm conflicted about the return to Pitch Black atmosphere. I love that movie and it's small quarters grit, but I love Chronicles for its bigness and hubris. Hmmm, whatever it turns out to be, I'm sure I will see it. Aubrey Leatherwood www.aubreyleatherwo od.com FaceBook * MySpace Dime Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9818905- 0-0 To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 03:17:45 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Oh my…… From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Aubrey Leatherwood Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 3:00 AM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way I get the similarity. The nose, the mouth, but I've never naturally made that connection. Aubrey Leatherwood www.aubreyleatherwo od.com FaceBook * MySpace Dime Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love and perfect sex. The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9818905- 0-0 To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 01:56:17 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way This is a question that I've been dying to ask...Does Vin Diesel remind any of you of Jose Ferrer? Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Sat, 2/13/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com Subject: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way To: scifino...@yahoogro ups..com, ggs...@yahoo. com, CINQUE cinque3...@verizon. net Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 1:22 AM Riddick 3 Is On Its Way - http://io9.com/ 5470466/riddick- 3-is-on-its- way Fans of gravelly-voiced bald scifi heroes rejoice: Universal has announced that it will be releasing a third Chronicles of Riddick movie in the US, with international rights being auctioned off at the Berlin Film Festival. The third movie, to be titled Riddick , will be written and directed by the man behind the first two movies in the series, David Twohy, and co-produced by Twohy and star Vin Diesel. Although plot details are unreleased, Variety suggests that the movie will be closer in tone to Pitch Black than Chronicles . http://io9.com/ 5470466/riddick- 3-is-on-its- way E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor
Re: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way
Great minds and all...! Yeah, it was a distraction and incredibly cliched. - Original Message - From: Aubrey Leatherwood aubrey.leatherw...@hotmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 4:51:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Keith, you and I are of a like mind, my friend! Aubrey Leatherwood CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR FAVORITE EROTICA AUTHOR 2009 www.aubreyleatherwood.com FaceBook * MySpace Dime Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:48:17 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way I liked the second, but constantly get disappointed at how it missed its potential. The trailers for that film had Epic written all over them. Some of the concepts are amazing, sweeping: The Necromonger forces, those giant statues they landed on planets, the whole strange holy war thing. Great stuff, should have resulted in a film as impressive as LOTR. But too much time was wasted on standard scifi cliches, like the whole prison planet thing, and not enough time actually with the Necros. Just missed the mark, and I've always wanted a return to that world to see it done right. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:46:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Gosh...I guess I'm the only one that did NOT like the second movie... Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Sat, 2/13/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 2:48 PM No you misunderstood. My puritanical sensibilities were shocked about your “ Maybe I'm distracted by the regions below the neck.’ I never noticed such things, I was drawn to the character’s cerebral prowess. ( I typed that with a straight face) However, I agree with you about both movies. I liked the universe that they created in Riddick From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Aubrey Leatherwood Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 3:24 AM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Just sayin' Tracey, no resemblance in that area :) I am really excited that the movie is greenlit, although I'm conflicted about the return to Pitch Black atmosphere. I love that movie and it's small quarters grit, but I love Chronicles for its bigness and hubris. Hmmm, whatever it turns out to be, I'm sure I will see it. Aubrey Leatherwood www.aubreyleatherwo od.com FaceBook * MySpace Dime Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9818905- 0-0 To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 03:17:45 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Oh my…… From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Aubrey Leatherwood Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 3:00 AM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way I get the similarity. The nose, the mouth, but I've never naturally made that connection. Aubrey Leatherwood www.aubreyleatherwo od.com FaceBook * MySpace Dime Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love and perfect sex. The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9818905- 0-0 To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 01:56:17 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way This is a question that I've been dying to ask...Does Vin Diesel remind any of you of Jose Ferrer? Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Sat, 2/13/10, Tracey de Morsella
Re: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way
Yeah, look at the tropes: outer space bounty hunters...a prison planet with violent temperature extremes, giving us all that outrun the deadly sunlight scenes...the dirty, sweaty, crooked prison guards on the take...crazy outre prison dogs (looking like a Klingon Targ) running around menacing the inmates...the hero having to fight the cons-- every time I watch the movie (and I really like the movie) this scene takes me out of the movie. I've seen this done so much with everyone from Van damme to Lundgren, to Christopher Lambert. But the other storyline, ah, that is amazing! I mean, when I first saw the trailers in teh theatre, and heard great actress Dame Judy Dench speaking, i was intrigued! That shot of Dench floating in and out of physicality, was cool and magical. And the first approach of the Necros, what appeared to be a comet approaching, was chilling. The site of those giant statues, towering hundreds of feet above devastated landscapes, disgorging fighting ships, had me literally on the edge of my seat. Everytime I watch the movie--and I watch it every tme TNT or FX airs it--I get swept up in that grander story, only to get disappointed with the prison planet stuff, and the abbreviated time spent in the Necro courts. I believe the intrigues and dynastic stories they were trying to tell with the Lord Marshall and Thandie Newton and her husband could have been fleshed out, and more satisfying, with more time given to them. Instead they're a bit cartoonish and not satisfying. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 4:54:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way I agree about the prison planet arc being a distraction from the main story. That could have been a separate story From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:48 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way I liked the second, but constantly get disappointed at how it missed its potential. The trailers for that film had Epic written all over them. Some of the concepts are amazing, sweeping: The Necromonger forces, those giant statues they landed on planets, the whole strange holy war thing. Great stuff, should have resulted in a film as impressive as LOTR. But too much time was wasted on standard scifi cliches, like the whole prison planet thing, and not enough time actually with the Necros. Just missed the mark, and I've always wanted a return to that world to see it done right. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:46:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Gosh...I guess I'm the only one that did NOT like the second movie... Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Sat, 2/13/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 2:48 PM No you misunderstood. My puritanical sensibilities were shocked about your “ Maybe I'm distracted by the regions below the neck.’ I never noticed such things, I was drawn to the character’s cerebral prowess. ( I typed that with a straight face) However, I agree with you about both movies. I liked the universe that they created in Riddick From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Aubrey Leatherwood Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 3:24 AM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Just sayin' Tracey, no resemblance in that area :) I am really excited that the movie is greenlit, although I'm conflicted about the return to Pitch Black atmosphere. I love that movie and it's small quarters grit, but I love Chronicles for its bigness and hubris. Hmmm, whatever it turns out to be, I'm sure I will see it. Aubrey Leatherwood www.aubreyleatherwo od.com FaceBook * MySpace Dime Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9818905- 0-0 To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 03:17:45 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Oh my…… From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Re: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way
Good point, but I agree with you. I don't want a return to the world of the first movie. I think we need to see what the heck he's going to do with the Necros, now that he's the leader? Oh--and give Thandie Newton the Best Overacting in a Melodramatic Role award for her performance! The way she was slinking and slithering around, conniving and planning and pushing her husband forward? Well, that was just plain funny. Talk about over-the-top! And everytime that scene comes up when she thinks her husband's killed the Lord Marshall, only to discover it's Riddick, and then lets out that anguished cry of Nooo! I 'bout bust a gut! Carol Burnett couldn't have overdone that scene any better! - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 5:41:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Perhaps the prison planet was a comprise to the suits to give them more of what was similar to the first movie, which made them a boatload of money. I desolate planet, where the other part of the story introduced new elements. Personally, I was riveted by the new elements and feat when they say they are going back to their roots, we will get more prison planet stuff in Riddick three From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 2:15 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Yeah, look at the tropes: outer space bounty hunters...a prison planet with violent temperature extremes, giving us all that outrun the deadly sunlight scenes...the dirty, sweaty, crooked prison guards on the take...crazy outre prison dogs (looking like a Klingon Targ) running around menacing the inmatesthe hero having to fight the cons-- every time I watch the movie (and I really like the movie) this scene takes me out of the movie. I've seen this done so much with everyone from Van damme to Lundgren, to Christopher Lambert. But the other storyline, ah, that is amazing! I mean, when I first saw the trailers in teh theatre, and heard great actress Dame Judy Dench speaking, i was intrigued! That shot of Dench floating in and out of physicality, was cool and magical. And the first approach of the Necros, what appeared to be a comet approaching, was chilling. The site of those giant statues, towering hundreds of feet above devastated landscapes, disgorging fighting ships, had me literally on the edge of my seat. Everytime I watch the movie--and I watch it every tme TNT or FX airs it--I get swept up in that grander story, only to get disappointed with the prison planet stuff, and the abbreviated time spent in the Necro courts. I believe the intrigues and dynastic stories they were trying to tell with the Lord Marshall and Thandie Newton and her husband could have been fleshed out, and more satisfying, with more time given to them. Instead they're a bit cartoonish and not satisfying. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifino...@yahoogroups..com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 4:54:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way I agree about the prison planet arc being a distraction from the main story. That could have been a separate story From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:48 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way I liked the second, but constantly get disappointed at how it missed its potential. The trailers for that film had Epic written all over them. Some of the concepts are amazing, sweeping: The Necromonger forces, those giant statues they landed on planets, the whole strange holy war thing. Great stuff, should have resulted in a film as impressive as LOTR. But too much time was wasted on standard scifi cliches, like the whole prison planet thing, and not enough time actually with the Necros. Just missed the mark, and I've always wanted a return to that world to see it done right. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:46:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Gosh...I guess I'm the only one that did NOT like the second movie... Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Sat, 2/13/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Waay OT: Singer Mayer Apologies for Racist, Sexist Comments
Oh man, that's funny! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:21:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Waay OT: Singer Mayer Apologies for Racist, Sexist Comments I think John Mayer came up with the impression that he had a hood pass because no body jumped him when he goes to buy weed. He does look like any other slacker white dude that's probably broke. On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 6:43 AM, B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com wrote: It was a really odd exchange since the interviewer was white. I guess because John Mayer worked with Dave Chapelle, Kanye West and others there was some sort of perception of honorary blackness. And I had no idea he was considered to be sexy by some black women. That was a new one to me. Chris Martin from Coldplay and Adam Levine from Maroon 5 also worked with Kanye I never heard about their hood pass. The funny thing is I've heard more black folks comment about Maroon 5's rb influenced sound than John Mayer. The most problematic thing to me is that this was a totally honest self inflicted wound. The person that should be furious is Kerry Washington. WTF does break your heart like a white girl mean? Good thing his David Duke kept him from loving a black woman. If he thinks Jessica Simpson is like sexual naplam and a crack addiction...lol. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: yeah, I was curious about the nature of the interview at any rate. What would make one ask a question such as Hood pass in the first place of a white dude? - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:51:31 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Waay OT: Singer Mayer Apologies for Racist, Sexist Comments What this leaked interview demonstrates mostly is the dire straights PLAYBOY magazine is in. The magazine, which used to come out twelve months a year now issues a slight January/February issue with two centerfolds (Miss January and Miss February and their fact sheets)in the middle. A magazine that was once fat with ads will soon be so thin it will be a pamphlet. Crypt Keeper-esque Hugh Hefner sleeping (literally) with 20 year-old girls is more creepy than titillating and the magazine, which used to be a cash cow, is now hemorrhaging money. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Wow, if retarded was offensive, I I wonder if Palin will call for his head? Funnier than the comments (which aren't funny) is how the idiot's trying to backtrack and apologize. Explain to me again how using the term nig**a pass is explaining the evils of racism? Or why a guy who says his member is racist then talks about how he wants to get with Holly Robinson and Kerry Washington? I tell you: people do themselves in more often just by talking too damn much. Warning: this is offensive--and bizarre. * http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1631667/20100210/mayer_john.jhtml John Mayer has never been one to hold his tongue, whether freely tweeting his innermost thoughts or confessing his insecurities in the middle of a concert. But his latest foray into the familiar territory of speaking-his-mind-no-matter-the-consequences comes in a new interview, which has already unleashed a strong backlash online. During the lengthy chat, the 32-year-old rock star spoke brazenly about his relationships with Jennifer Aniston and Jessica Simpson (calling the latter sexual napalm), his sloppy kiss with Perez Hilton and his lack of sexual attraction to black women. I don't think I open myself to it, Mayer said of dating black women. My d--- is sort of like a white supremacist. I've got a Benetton heart and a f-' David Duke c---. I'm going to start dating separately from my d---. Such comments have already lit up the Internet with cries of racism. Yet Mayer also spoke about why black people love me. Someone asked me the other day, 'What does it feel like now to have a 'hood pass?' he told Playboy. And by the way, it's sort of a contradiction in terms, because if you really had a 'hood pass, you could call it a n---a pass. Why are you pulling a punch and calling it a 'hood pass if you really have a 'hood pass? But I said, 'I can't really have a 'hood pass.' I've never walked into a restaurant, asked for a table and been told, 'We're full.' Mayer also delved into detail about his two most high-profile romances. When it came to dating Simpson, Mayer said he didn't think very much about the intrusion the paparazzi would make on his existence. It wasn't as direct as me saying 'I now make
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Waay OT: Singer Mayer Apologies for Racist, Sexist Comments
Amen. We just had a long discussion about racism and stuff in Hollywood, and I expressed frustration at how people are so hesitant to call stuff like it is. I heard a political pundit recently note that people are very hesitant to call the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, etc., racist. Rather, they try very hard to call them insensitive, inartful, clueless, frank, controversial. It makes me ill when people get such a pass. Racist is as racist does, and I can't see how Mayer's comments can be called anything but. - Original Message - From: shadaneca harbour skm...@msn.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 2:52:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Waay OT: Singer Mayer Apologies for Racist, Sexist Comments As an AA female the thing that has bothered me most is the attitude that some of us have had about his comments. I was reading some replies to the article posted on Yahoo and I can't tell you how many replies I read that started with well I'm a Black female and I'm not offended, and it's okay I'm Black and I don't think he's racist. People date who they want but likening his penis to a 'white supremiscist', and using the term 'n* pass' (in lieu of 'hood pass' goes over the line in a way some Blacks have forgotten about. I don't even have time to go over what he said about Washington, too much history there. None of us need to defend him...he has enough of his own people to give him absolution. Off my soapbox now... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:21:04 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Waay OT: Singer Mayer Apologies for Racist, Sexist Comments I think John Mayer came up with the impression that he had a hood pass because no body jumped him when he goes to buy weed. He does look like any other slacker white dude that's probably broke. On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 6:43 AM, B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com wrote: It was a really odd exchange since the interviewer was white. I guess because John Mayer worked with Dave Chapelle, Kanye West and others there was some sort of perception of honorary blackness. And I had no idea he was considered to be sexy by some black women. That was a new one to me. Chris Martin from Coldplay and Adam Levine from Maroon 5 also worked with Kanye I never heard about their hood pass. The funny thing is I've heard more black folks comment about Maroon 5's rb influenced sound than John Mayer. The most problematic thing to me is that this was a totally honest self inflicted wound. The person that should be furious is Kerry Washington. WTF does break your heart like a white girl mean? Good thing his David Duke kept him from loving a black woman. If he thinks Jessica Simpson is like sexual naplam and a crack addiction...lol. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: yeah, I was curious about the nature of the interview at any rate. What would make one ask a question such as Hood pass in the first place of a white dude? - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:51:31 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Waay OT: Singer Mayer Apologies for Racist, Sexist Comments What this leaked interview demonstrates mostly is the dire straights PLAYBOY magazine is in. The magazine, which used to come out twelve months a year now issues a slight January/February issue with two centerfolds (Miss January and Miss February and their fact sheets)in the middle. A magazine that was once fat with ads will soon be so thin it will be a pamphlet. Crypt Keeper-esque Hugh Hefner sleeping (literally) with 20 year-old girls is more creepy than titillating and the magazine, which used to be a cash cow, is now hemorrhaging money. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Wow, if retarded was offensive, I I wonder if Palin will call for his head? Funnier than the comments (which aren't funny) is how the idiot's trying to backtrack and apologize. Explain to me again how using the term nig**a pass is explaining the evils of racism? Or why a guy who says his member is racist then talks about how he wants to get with Holly Robinson and Kerry Washington? I tell you: people do themselves in more often just by talking too damn much. Warning: this is offensive--and bizarre. * http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1631667/20100210/mayer_john.jhtml John Mayer has never been one to hold his tongue, whether freely tweeting his innermost thoughts or confessing his insecurities in the middle of a concert. But his latest foray into the familiar territory of speaking-his-mind-no-matter-the-consequences comes in a new interview
[scifinoir2] Waay OT: Singer Mayer Apologies for Racist, Sexist Comments
Wow, if retarded was offensive, I I wonder if Palin will call for his head? Funnier than the comments (which aren't funny) is how the idiot's trying to backtrack and apologize. Explain to me again how using the term nig**a pass is explaining the evils of racism? Or why a guy who says his member is racist then talks about how he wants to get with Holly Robinson and Kerry Washington? I tell you: people do themselves in more often just by talking too damn much. Warning: this is offensive--and bizarre. * http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1631667/20100210/mayer_john.jhtml John Mayer has never been one to hold his tongue, whether freely tweeting his innermost thoughts or confessing his insecurities in the middle of a concert. But his latest foray into the familiar territory of speaking-his-mind-no-matter-the-consequences comes in a new interview, which has already unleashed a strong backlash online. During the lengthy chat, the 32-year-old rock star spoke brazenly about his relationships with Jennifer Aniston and Jessica Simpson (calling the latter sexual napalm), his sloppy kiss with Perez Hilton and his lack of sexual attraction to black women. I don't think I open myself to it, Mayer said of dating black women. My d--- is sort of like a white supremacist. I've got a Benetton heart and a f-' David Duke c---. I'm going to start dating separately from my d---. Such comments have already lit up the Internet with cries of racism. Yet Mayer also spoke about why black people love me. Someone asked me the other day, 'What does it feel like now to have a 'hood pass?' he told Playboy. And by the way, it's sort of a contradiction in terms, because if you really had a 'hood pass, you could call it a n---a pass. Why are you pulling a punch and calling it a 'hood pass if you really have a 'hood pass? But I said, 'I can't really have a 'hood pass.' I've never walked into a restaurant, asked for a table and been told, 'We're full.' Mayer also delved into detail about his two most high-profile romances. When it came to dating Simpson, Mayer said he didn't think very much about the intrusion the paparazzi would make on his existence. It wasn't as direct as me saying 'I now make the choice to bring the paparazzi into my life,' he explained. I really said, 'I now make the choice to sleep with Jessica Simpson.' That was stronger than my desire to stay out of the paparazzi's eye. That girl, for me, is a drug. And drugs aren't good for you if you do lots of them. Yeah, that girl is like crack cocaine to me. ... Sexually it was crazy. That's all I'll say. It was like napalm, sexual napalm. During the interview, Mayer also spoke about his ongoing feud with Perez Hilton and how they once kissed at a club. I remember seeing Perez Hilton flitting about this club and acting as though he had just invented homosexuality, he said. All of a sudden I thought, I can out-gay this guy right now. I grabbed him and gave him the dirtiest, tongue-iest kiss I have ever put on anybody — almost as if I hated f--s. Perez has already hit back against Mayer, but so far the usually Twitter-happy singer has not addressed any element of the Playboy interview.
Re: [scifinoir2] Fwd: Shazam! The movie
Interesting thought! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 3:08:56 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Fwd: Shazam! The movie Haven't heard a thing on it, though Johnson's seeming turn toward kiddie-fare may have sunk it. And I personally don't see him as Captain Marvel. The Big Red Cheese is also as White as Wonder Bread. Johnson's note-perfect as Black Adam, though, and the role could even be tweaked to reflect the heroic turn the character took in 52, if the bad-guy image troubles Johnson. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:30:29 -0800 Subject: [scifinoir2] Fwd: Shazam! The movie I wrote this almost 2 years ago. Does anyone know what happened to his movie? Dwayne Johnson, who you will all remember as The Rock, is up for the title role in Shazam! It is expected that Rocky will play Captain Marvel, the outpouring of Billy Batson's superego, who appears when the teenager shouts out 'Shazam!' Johnson confirmed that he's been approached by Peter Segal, the film's director, about playing the part, and he's very interested in doing it. We can see it now. The thunderclap, the smoke clears, and The Rock is standing there, clad in red and gold, cape blowing in the breeze. He cocks the famous eyebrow, and bellows, 'Finally...the Captain Marvel has come back from the negative zone!' And then he rock bottoms some villain. It'll be awesome. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now.
Re: [scifinoir2] Google's experiment: leapfrogging ISPs to deliver ultra-high-speed Web
I'm waiting for either Verizon FIOS or ATT Uverse, but neither is available in NE Atlanta where I live. it's Comcast for now... :( - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 3:14:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Google's experiment: leapfrogging ISPs to deliver ultra-high-speed Web I know that we have discussed Verizon's new service but is anyone in their service area? They don't offer it where I am. On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: I'm all for that openness part. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:24:37 -0800 Subject: [scifinoir2] Google's experiment: leapfrogging ISPs to deliver ultra-high-speed Web OOoo fast IIiiinternet gaa That's my homer simpson imitation. Google, eager to take the Internet to the next level, isn’t waiting around for the telecoms or wireless providers to kick those connections into ultra-high-speed mode. In a blog post this morning , the company said it planning to build and test ultra-high speed networks in a small number of regions across the U.S. The experimental fiber network will deliver speeds more than 100 times faster than most consumer connections today - a 1-gigabit-per-second fiber-to-the-home connection. The company said it plans to provide competitively-priced services to at least 50,000 and potentially up to 500,000 people. So why does Google think we need faster connections to the cloud? Here’s its list of some examples of what a faster connection could bring: • Next generation apps : We want to see what developers and users can do with ultra high-speeds, whether it’s creating new bandwidth-intensive “killer apps” and services, or other uses we can’t yet imagine. • New deployment techniques : We’ll test new ways to build fiber networks, and to help inform and support deployments elsewhere, we’ll share key lessons learned with the world. • Openness and choice : We’ll operate an “open access” network, giving users the choice of multiple service providers. And consistent with our past advocacy, we’ll manage our network in an open, non-discriminatory and transparent way. With any other post, I might argue that Google is taking things too far by putting its paws into too many baskets. I already commented this week on how I thought it was a bad idea for Google to act as retailer of the new Nexus One mobile phones. Now, I’d be inclined to ask why they want to be an ISP. But Google has been very clear that this is an experimental project. From the post: Like our WiFi network in Mountain View , the purpose of this project is to experiment and learn. Network providers are making real progress to expand and improve high-speed Internet access, but there’s still more to be done. We don’t think we have all the answers – but through our trial, we hope to make a meaningful contribution to the shared goal of delivering faster and better Internet for everyone. The first step is to reach out to cities that might be interested in being test locations for Google’s ISP efforts. The company is issuing an open Request for Information to identify communities that are interested. To help bring it all together, Google has put information on this page. And, of course, there’s a YouTube explainer video , too. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Waay OT: Singer Mayer Apologies for Racist, Sexist Comments
I really think Twitter and Facebook, etc., are the death of some people too. This was in a mag, of course, but even then, social networking spreads the news further and faster than ever before in human history. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:03:27 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Waay OT: Singer Mayer Apologies for Racist, Sexist Comments Some people should never do interviews without a publicist. On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: So much for him crossing over onto the RB charts or ever being invited to play Fire Island... One of the nastiest conversations I've had in my life has been with a former friend who is decidedly un-PC, in which he proceeded to call me everything but the Child of Deity because I am, in my old age, VERY PC. Mayer just highlighted why. Hew-mons need to use their brains before they use their mouths. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:00:22 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Waay OT: Singer Mayer Apologies for Racist, Sexist Comments Wow, if retarded was offensive, I I wonder if Palin will call for his head? Funnier than the comments (which aren't funny) is how the idiot's trying to backtrack and apologize. Explain to me again how using the term nig**a pass is explaining the evils of racism? Or why a guy who says his member is racist then talks about how he wants to get with Holly Robinson and Kerry Washington? I tell you: people do themselves in more often just by talking too damn much. Warning: this is offensive--and bizarre. * http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1631667/20100210/mayer_john.jhtml John Mayer has never been one to hold his tongue, whether freely tweeting his innermost thoughts or confessing his insecurities in the middle of a concert. But his latest foray into the familiar territory of speaking-his-mind-no-matter-the-consequences comes in a new interview, which has already unleashed a strong backlash online. During the lengthy chat, the 32-year-old rock star spoke brazenly about his relationships with Jennifer Aniston and Jessica Simpson (calling the latter sexual napalm), his sloppy kiss with Perez Hilton and his lack of sexual attraction to black women. I don't think I open myself to it, Mayer said of dating black women. My d--- is sort of like a white supremacist. I've got a Benetton heart and a f-' David Duke c---. I'm going to start dating separately from my d---. Such comments have already lit up the Internet with cries of racism. Yet Mayer also spoke about why black people love me. Someone asked me the other day, 'What does it feel like now to have a 'hood pass?' he told Playboy. And by the way, it's sort of a contradiction in terms, because if you really had a 'hood pass, you could call it a n---a pass. Why are you pulling a punch and calling it a 'hood pass if you really have a 'hood pass? But I said, 'I can't really have a 'hood pass.' I've never walked into a restaurant, asked for a table and been told, 'We're full.' Mayer also delved into detail about his two most high-profile romances. When it came to dating Simpson, Mayer said he didn't think very much about the intrusion the paparazzi would make on his existence. It wasn't as direct as me saying 'I now make the choice to bring the paparazzi into my life,' he explained. I really said, 'I now make the choice to sleep with Jessica Simpson.' That was stronger than my desire to stay out of the paparazzi's eye. That girl, for me, is a drug. And drugs aren't good for you if you do lots of them. Yeah, that girl is like crack cocaine to me. ... Sexually it was crazy. That's all I'll say. It was like napalm, sexual napalm. During the interview, Mayer also spoke about his ongoing feud with Perez Hilton and how they once kissed at a club. I remember seeing Perez Hilton flitting about this club and acting as though he had just invented homosexuality, he said. All of a sudden I thought, I can out-gay this guy right now. I grabbed him and gave him the dirtiest, tongue-iest kiss I have ever put on anybody — almost as if I hated f--s. Perez has already hit back against Mayer, but so far the usually Twitter-happy singer has not addressed any element of the Playboy interview. Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Waay OT: Singer Mayer Apologies for Racist, Sexist Comments
yeah, I was curious about the nature of the interview at any rate. What would make one ask a question such as Hood pass in the first place of a white dude? - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:51:31 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Waay OT: Singer Mayer Apologies for Racist, Sexist Comments What this leaked interview demonstrates mostly is the dire straights PLAYBOY magazine is in. The magazine, which used to come out twelve months a year now issues a slight January/February issue with two centerfolds (Miss January and Miss February and their fact sheets)in the middle. A magazine that was once fat with ads will soon be so thin it will be a pamphlet. Crypt Keeper-esque Hugh Hefner sleeping (literally) with 20 year-old girls is more creepy than titillating and the magazine, which used to be a cash cow, is now hemorrhaging money. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Wow, if retarded was offensive, I I wonder if Palin will call for his head? Funnier than the comments (which aren't funny) is how the idiot's trying to backtrack and apologize. Explain to me again how using the term nig**a pass is explaining the evils of racism? Or why a guy who says his member is racist then talks about how he wants to get with Holly Robinson and Kerry Washington? I tell you: people do themselves in more often just by talking too damn much. Warning: this is offensive--and bizarre. * http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1631667/20100210/mayer_john.jhtml John Mayer has never been one to hold his tongue, whether freely tweeting his innermost thoughts or confessing his insecurities in the middle of a concert. But his latest foray into the familiar territory of speaking-his-mind-no-matter-the-consequences comes in a new interview, which has already unleashed a strong backlash online. During the lengthy chat, the 32-year-old rock star spoke brazenly about his relationships with Jennifer Aniston and Jessica Simpson (calling the latter sexual napalm), his sloppy kiss with Perez Hilton and his lack of sexual attraction to black women. I don't think I open myself to it, Mayer said of dating black women. My d--- is sort of like a white supremacist. I've got a Benetton heart and a f-' David Duke c---. I'm going to start dating separately from my d---. Such comments have already lit up the Internet with cries of racism. Yet Mayer also spoke about why black people love me. Someone asked me the other day, 'What does it feel like now to have a 'hood pass?' he told Playboy. And by the way, it's sort of a contradiction in terms, because if you really had a 'hood pass, you could call it a n---a pass. Why are you pulling a punch and calling it a 'hood pass if you really have a 'hood pass? But I said, 'I can't really have a 'hood pass.' I've never walked into a restaurant, asked for a table and been told, 'We're full.' Mayer also delved into detail about his two most high-profile romances. When it came to dating Simpson, Mayer said he didn't think very much about the intrusion the paparazzi would make on his existence. It wasn't as direct as me saying 'I now make the choice to bring the paparazzi into my life,' he explained. I really said, 'I now make the choice to sleep with Jessica Simpson.' That was stronger than my desire to stay out of the paparazzi's eye. That girl, for me, is a drug. And drugs aren't good for you if you do lots of them. Yeah, that girl is like crack cocaine to me. ... Sexually it was crazy. That's all I'll say. It was like napalm, sexual napalm. During the interview, Mayer also spoke about his ongoing feud with Perez Hilton and how they once kissed at a club. I remember seeing Perez Hilton flitting about this club and acting as though he had just invented homosexuality, he said. All of a sudden I thought, I can out-gay this guy right now. I grabbed him and gave him the dirtiest, tongue-iest kiss I have ever put on anybody †almost as if I hated f--s. Perez has already hit back against Mayer, but so far the usually Twitter-happy singer has not addressed any element of the Playboy interview.
Re: [scifinoir2] Knowles, Crowe to Star in A Star is Born
I support strongly both Precious and Tyler Perry's films. The former is painful to watch, and I get that some blacks are upset that its overall negative portrayals will reinforce the mainstream idea of what we are as a people. I get that, but it's an unfortunate truth: too many young black people deal with abuse, broken homes, etc. So i celebrate its unblinking (though admittedly extreme) look at that part of the world. By the same token, I strongly supported Boyz in Da Hood and Menace 2 Society as tough but necessary looks at one aspect of black life. What I don't support is that part of black life become the only thing shown on screen. After a while, the glut of in da hood flicks became too much and too one-sided. That's one reason I support Tyler Perry. Yeah, his stuff is cartoonish and predictable. Yeah, his villains are so bad they need Snidley Whiplash mustaches to twirl. But he also conveys a strong sense of family, and that there's nothing wrong with having a spiritual life. He also tackles in his own way the very negative images of blacks: showing in one film that for all the negative stereotypes of us that exist (which he showcases), there are many more positive ones. So that drug dealer or wife beater or child abuser is shown as only one jacked up aspect of black life, and the aunts, uncles, best friends, and cousins are shown as the positive side that are often overlooked. The broken family isn't the all, if only the hapless man or woman can find the strength to lean on that good family just waiting to embrace him or her. The fancy player is shown to be a fool, and the good, steady guy is shown to not only be desirable, but more importantly, present, if only black women (and white producers) would look for him. His skills as a writer are arguable, but Perry shows movies in which black people have morals, strong families, jobs, a strong, positive spiritual life, and don't have to lean on or marry white people to be successful. Indeed, one reason Perry had to do his own thing is because the Hollywood suits doubted his movies would have widespread appeal. He has whites in his cast, true, but the movies still center around black-on-black love, which is still too lacking in H'wood. I'm wondering what else is needed for black directors to go through the door as you mentioned. We've had Spike Lee, the Hughes and Hudlin brothers, and Tyler Perry. We've had Will Smith, Denzel Washington, Halle Berry, and and a host of other black actors and actresses. So why is black love still rare on the big screen? Why is H'Wood still focusing on white male fantasies of getting black women, while ignoring black male love interests? Why are the only black movies that show black romantic love things like Brown Sugar. Love Jones, etc., with actors that sometimes are considered B-listers? - Original Message - From: Mike Street streetfor...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:00:52 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Knowles, Crowe to Star in A Star is Born The diaspora has space for positive and negative movies. I think Precious is great film and everyone did a great job regardless of the subject matter. Cause a Tyler Perry pic is all we seen to get these days and we are not talking about any real topics. So I hope Precious allows other blk directors a foot in the door. Cause it seems we have all disappeared. On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: You're right, but that goes back to my whole original point: H'Wood caters to prejudices and blacks suffer. At some point, doing what's easy and quickly profitable turns into stagnation and resistance to change. It's why in 2010 we still have major discussions about why Precious gets all the raves, but the mainstream ignores movies with blacks in more positive roles. Sorry, off my soapbox now! :) I wanna go read up on your quantum entanglement post. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2010 11:13:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Knowles, Crowe to Star in A Star is Born Movie making isn't reality. They are shooting for stars that will have a big draw. If it wasn't Russell Crowe it would have been Depp, or some other white guy. Two black people in the roles would equal a BLACK MOVIE. Having one of each equals a cross over. On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Worf, case in point (although i know you weren't arguing against prejudice in H'Wood). With all the people out there who could be cast opposite Knowles, they skip all the potential black men to pair her up with a white dude? I'm already reading some stuff hailing the bold move of the interracial relationship. Got nothing against
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: movie review: A bittersweet life
Compare the fight scenes of this and other Asian films you watch with American fight scenes. As discussed ad nauseum, I'm really despairing of so much American action fare, which is horribly choreographed. If you list Transformers, Crank, G.I. Joe, and other stuff, it's beyond ridiculous. I honestly couldn't see or register one clear punch or kick in Joe, the camera moved so much. It's been my experience that Asian cinema is much better at fast action that one can still follow, due to better usage of the camera, more long shots that let you see the total scene and the fighters whole bodies, and less frenetic scene shifts. Is that the case in the stuff you're watching? - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:02:00 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: movie review: A bittersweet life Added to my list. I am on somewhat of a South Korean cinema binge. Watched A Dirty Carnaval (Biyeolhan geor) last night. Overall, I didn't care much for it but the fight scenes were brutal and realistically choreographed. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: Movie Review: Dalkomhan Insaeng aka A Bittersweet Life, directed by Kim Jee-Woon Made in South Korea, this is a mob story about a very sharp mob enforcer named Kim. Kim’s boss runs a large hotel downtown. One evening he is asked to take care of a situation in one of the private rooms in the restaurant that is being held by three members of a rival gang. Kim goes into the room and counts to three for them to leave. On the count of three he leaps on top of the table kicking one thug in the face, while punching another. The third got the worst of it with a bottle of wine to the head. This all happened in the first five minutes of the film! Unfortunately, this set off a chain of events that slowly reveals itself as the film progresses. A couple of days later, Kim’s boss asked him to keep an eye on his new girlfriend while he is away on a trip. She is a college age woman that he suspects may be seeing someone her own age. If she was he ordered Kim to kill her and her lover. After spending time following the girl, and spending time with her he realizes that he couldn’t kill them, and orders them both not to see each other again. That may have been a big mistake. With the boss out of town Kim makes the situation between his gang and the rival gang a little more intense by not apologizing to the Jr. Boss’ son. The mob never forgets no matter where you live, and Kim found that out the hard way. The fight scenes in this movie are top notch. There were even some moments that was so well done that it was hard to believe that they were choreographed. They open a six pack of whip ass quick fast and in a hurry in this film which adds to the realism. One of my favorite scenes in the movie involves one man against a gang in a warehouse. Very good stuff. Pros: Good plot. Great fight scenes. Great acting. 3 out of 5 kicks to da head Rated MA -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Knowles, Crowe to Star in A Star is Born
But Eraser wasn't a romance, was it? I don't recall them getting together as a couple. And let's be clear: i'm not fighting against interracial relationships. They exist, and should not be overlooked. But do the math: from TV to film, for decades, Hollywood has either ignored black love (which is still the majority of black relationships), or put black women with white men, or, as in Hitch, put black men with non-white women. This despite the fact that the vast majority of blacks in America still marry other blacks--NBA players notwithstanding! :) Now a movie dealing with the topic I did like, and do watch all the time, is Something New. That's the one where Sanaa Lathan plays an uptight lawyer who ends up falling in love with a white guy. I like the movie because it wasn't something put together to draw in white people: it had no A-listers to appeal to the mass audiences, and thus, was more honest. It was straight up with discussions of inter racial relationships and the hurdles they bring, both minor and major. It had the courage to have the black woman ask Are you one of those white guys who just get off dating black women?. It made me laugh when the white dude asked innocently why Sanaa's character needed to wear a weave. What's wrong with your real hair?, he asks all wide-eyed, not having a clue as to the storm he'd just unleashed. It had realistic conversations where her black female friends said It's okay to have fun with him for a while, but you're not actually going to *marry* a white man are you? It also dealt with issues of class: Sanaa's character's main problem is that she's trying to live a certain type of life, to be the proper type of upper class person, but she's not happy. The dude she falls in love with is a guy who's very happy, who just happens to be white. Thus, it didn't sugarcoat things the way mainstream films do. And, I like the fact that her friends all had black men, and were happy, especially the judge who had to learn she could love a black man who wasn't quite on her financial/social level. Of course, Sanaa Lathan being in it didn't hurt. I could watch her read the dictionary and still be transfixed! Again, curious that a movie dealing with the issues of black/white love honestly was not a big budget release, and had no A-listers. And note that the only movies we get that show realistic black romance in a positive manner are those starring the likes of LL Cool J, Taraji P. Henson, Gabrielle Union, Morris Chestnut, Taye Diggs, Tamala Jones, etc. Guess that's the FUBU scene eh? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:35:18 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Knowles, Crowe to Star in A Star is Born Because it is a subtle manipulation of the audience. I think the last movie like that I saw was Eraser with Ahnald and Vanessa Williams. On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 6:47 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Why is that? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2010 11:33:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Knowles, Crowe to Star in A Star is Born That's automatic for me. I never watch movies like that. On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Mike Street streetfor...@gmail.com wrote: I'm gonna have to Boycott this pic. It just sounds like they are going for too much. On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: Movie making isn't reality. They are shooting for stars that will have a big draw. If it wasn't Russell Crowe it would have been Depp, or some other white guy. Two black people in the roles would equal a BLACK MOVIE. Having one of each equals a cross over. On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Worf, case in point (although i know you weren't arguing against prejudice in H'Wood). With all the people out there who could be cast opposite Knowles, they skip all the potential black men to pair her up with a white dude? I'm already reading some stuff hailing the bold move of the interracial relationship. Got nothing against that, but again, in a world where black-on-black love doesn't get much play on the big screen... Yes indeed, we must make our own stuff... ** http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2010/feb/09/russell-crowe-beyonce-star-is-born In what may strike cynics as a case of life imitating art, Russell Crowe looks set to take a leading role in A Star Is Born, a remake of the classic Hollywood melodrama about a fading, drunken superstar who finds himself eclipsed by a younger model. The former Gladiator star is reportedly in talks to appear alongside Beyoncé in the Warner Bros
[scifinoir2] Past Life Premieres on Fox Tonight
I'm recording this show while watching Michelle Obama on Larry King's show (be nice for change to watch *anything* dealing with the Obama's that's not a hatchet job or a dissertation on why he's failing Liberals and Conservatives alike). At any rate, I've heard nothing about it other than the premise. No early reviews or buzz. Anyone know anything about it? Writer David Hudgins did a handful of Friday Night Lights eps as writer, which is good, and a season of Everwood, which I don't remember watching... http://www.fox.com/pastlife/about/ Have you ever experienced déjà vu or met someone you thought seemed familiar? Do you believe in karma, fate or love at first sight? Have you ever had an out-of-body experience? From writer David Hudgins (Friday Night Lights), and inspired by the book The Reincarnationist by M.J. Rose, comes PAST LIFE, a new drama series that investigates the world of the unexplained through the eyes of a doctor and a former detective who must work together to solve decades- old mysteries. After experiencing a past-life regression in her 20s, Kate became a believer in reincarnation. DR. KATE MCGINN (Kelli Giddish) is not your typical psychologist. Confident, outspoken and highly educated, she works at The Talmadge Center for Behavioral Health in New York City, a world-renowned institute dedicated to the study of the science of the soul. After experiencing a past-life regression in her 20s, Kate became a believer in reincarnation. Using therapy and her natural gift for reading people, Kate helps solve the mysteries of her troubled clients by investigating their consciousness. She believes there are levels of consciousness and explanations for human behavior that science can't begin to explain. Accustomed to skeptics, but not bothered by them, Kate is an unapologetic believer and a force of nature who marches to the beat of her own drum. Her partner, PRICE WHATLEY (Nicholas Bishop), is a different story. A former NYPD homicide detective, pragmatic and cynical, Price is a damaged soul who constantly battles grief and guilt over the accidental death of his wife. Price feels that Kate, though not certifiable, certainly operates on the fringes of science. It's a volatile relationship, but with Price's solid detective skills and Kate's penchant for out-of-the-box thinking, together they make a formidable, albeit somewhat dysfunctional, team. Price feels that Kate, though not certifiable, certainly operates on the fringes of science. An emotional thrill ride, each episode finds Price and Kate working with their colleagues to unravel a new mystery. DR. MALACHI TALMADGE (Richard Schiff) is Kate's mentor and the center's namesake, an avuncular but gruff elder statesman who is a legend in the field of cognitive research. DR. RISHI KARNA (Ravi Patel) is the rookie of the group, an energetic M.D. who loves bad TV, Cuban jazz and driving everyone crazy. Produced by Bonanza Productions Inc. in association with Warner Bros. Television, PAST LIFE is executive-produced by David Hudgins and Lou Pitt. Hudgins also serves as writer. Deran Sarafian directed the pilot. Show Toolsbookmark share this pageFeatured ExtrasFree Downloads Download free wallpapers, buddy icons and screensavers.
[scifinoir2] Knowles, Crowe to Star in A Star is Born
Worf, case in point (although i know you weren't arguing against prejudice in H'Wood). With all the people out there who could be cast opposite Knowles, they skip all the potential black men to pair her up with a white dude? I'm already reading some stuff hailing the bold move of the interracial relationship. Got nothing against that, but again, in a world where black-on-black love doesn't get much play on the big screen... Yes indeed, we must make our own stuff... ** http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2010/feb/09/russell-crowe-beyonce-star-is-born In what may strike cynics as a case of life imitating art, Russell Crowe looks set to take a leading role in A Star Is Born, a remake of the classic Hollywood melodrama about a fading, drunken superstar who finds himself eclipsed by a younger model. The former Gladiator star is reportedly in talks to appear alongside Beyoncé in the Warner Bros production. The original 1937 version starred Fredric March and Janet Gaynor as an aging Hollywood actor and the bright young ingenue he takes under his wing. The film was remade in 1954 with James Mason and Judy Garland. The hugely successful 1976 version cast Barbra Streisand alongside Kris Kristoffersson and re-routed the story from the film industry to the music business. Elvis Presley was initially approached to take the Kristoffersson role but reportedly bailed out after he was refused top billing. The latest overhaul apparently casts Crowe as a down-on-his-luck musician who embarks on an affair with a rising young singer. Nick Cassavetes is pencilled in to direct, while the supporting cast will be fleshed out by the likes of Mad Men mainstay John Hamm and singers Alicia Keys and Rihanna. Crowe, now 45, won a best actor Oscar for his role in Gladiator. His recent films include Cinderella Man, American Gangster, Body of Lies and State of Play. He will next be seen as the hero in Ridley Scott's revisionist take on Robin Hood .
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Emanuel Apologizes, Signs Pledge to End Usage of Retarded
Well, looks like that indeed generated some issues. In the Letters page of Fantastic Four #575, the entire page is dedicated to two very long reader letters. Both are extremely upset and offended with Valeria Richards' calling her brother retarded in an earlier issue. The letters are heartfelt--i believe one of the writers works with mentally disabled children. I see their points, but again, not sure I find this wrong. Interesting is the writer's response, which basically says that Valeria's words are not nice, but that kids are often not nice, and it's his duty to be as realistic as possible in portrayal of his characters in this fantasy world. Check out this cool link, in which someone has scanned the entire letters page, where you can read it: http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/1530066.html ** - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2010 6:55:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Emanuel Apologizes, Signs Pledge to End Usage of Retarded As an aside, i was reading an issue of the Fantastic Four comic earlier today. Reed and Sue Richards have two children now: the older, their son Franklin, who has normal intelligence, and their young daughter Valeria, who at the age of four is already a supergenius on the level of her father Reed. In playing around with Franklin about a question he was asking, Valeria says Oh Franklin, you're such a retard! Do we need to alert Sarah Palin so she can get Marvel comics censured? Demand an apology from the creative staff? Maybe get the FF canceled? * To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 17:33:52 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Emanuel Apologizes, Signs Pledge to End Usage of Retarded I'm sorry, but I don't see this as a firing offense. Retarded has many meanings and connotations. When you call a person retarded for doing something stupid, it's not in any way meant to suggest that person has Downs or Autism or any other developmental condition. It means the person is an idiot, pure and simple. The words simpleton, geek, cretin, and actually even, idiot, could be tagged as equally offensive in this light. This is a tempest in a teapot, especially seeing as this took place behind closed doors. I'm not saying people don't have a right to be upset. Had he used the n-word behind closed doors, even, I'd be pissed. If some hate retarded on this level, i respect that. But I do think we need to do some serious examination of how much stuff said in private can and should be used to evaluate a person's character. No single one of us could bear the scrutiny if everything we said in private were publicized. If my private utterings around the house ever got out, I think a lot of conservative white religious fanatics would probably want to have me drawn and quartered! End of the day, I don't think he at all was thinking of people with true developmental problems, but now that it got out, an apology was the right thing to do. Past that, let this die, and let's move on. The bigger problem is a new Internet/Twitter/Facebook world where every single thing is instantly universal, without any benefit of filtering, explanation, or real analysis. And the biggest problem? A world in which that idiot Sarah Palin is still being quoted for her opinion on anything of substance. With apologies to the idiots of the world for that comparison * [Yahoo News ] Dating back to the time he worked in the Clinton administration, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel has developed an almost notorious reputation in Washington for being a brash personality with a penchant for profanity-laced diatribes. Conversely, his intense nature, in addition to his sharp mind, are what many attribute to his success and effectiveness as a Washington power player. But a recently revealed remark he made in a closed-door meeting attended by White House aides and leaders of liberal special-interest groups has irked many, prompting him to issue an apology. ...
Re: [scifinoir2] Knowles, Crowe to Star in A Star is Born
You're right, but that goes back to my whole original point: H'Wood caters to prejudices and blacks suffer. At some point, doing what's easy and quickly profitable turns into stagnation and resistance to change. It's why in 2010 we still have major discussions about why Precious gets all the raves, but the mainstream ignores movies with blacks in more positive roles. Sorry, off my soapbox now! :) I wanna go read up on your quantum entanglement post. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2010 11:13:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Knowles, Crowe to Star in A Star is Born Movie making isn't reality. They are shooting for stars that will have a big draw. If it wasn't Russell Crowe it would have been Depp, or some other white guy. Two black people in the roles would equal a BLACK MOVIE. Having one of each equals a cross over. On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Worf, case in point (although i know you weren't arguing against prejudice in H'Wood). With all the people out there who could be cast opposite Knowles, they skip all the potential black men to pair her up with a white dude? I'm already reading some stuff hailing the bold move of the interracial relationship. Got nothing against that, but again, in a world where black-on-black love doesn't get much play on the big screen... Yes indeed, we must make our own stuff... ** http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2010/feb/09/russell-crowe-beyonce-star-is-born In what may strike cynics as a case of life imitating art, Russell Crowe looks set to take a leading role in A Star Is Born, a remake of the classic Hollywood melodrama about a fading, drunken superstar who finds himself eclipsed by a younger model. The former Gladiator star is reportedly in talks to appear alongside Beyoncé in the Warner Bros production. The original 1937 version starred Fredric March and Janet Gaynor as an aging Hollywood actor and the bright young ingenue he takes under his wing. The film was remade in 1954 with James Mason and Judy Garland. The hugely successful 1976 version cast Barbra Streisand alongside Kris Kristoffersson and re-routed the story from the film industry to the music business. Elvis Presley was initially approached to take the Kristoffersson role but reportedly bailed out after he was refused top billing. The latest overhaul apparently casts Crowe as a down-on-his-luck musician who embarks on an affair with a rising young singer. Nick Cassavetes is pencilled in to direct, while the supporting cast will be fleshed out by the likes of Mad Men mainstay John Hamm and singers Alicia Keys and Rihanna. Crowe, now 45, won a best actor Oscar for his role in Gladiator. His recent films include Cinderella Man, American Gangster, Body of Lies and State of Play. He will next be seen as the hero in Ridley Scott's revisionist take on Robin Hood . -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At?
Intriguing. Which bias test would he take? I took one of those years ago where you had to quickly choose between two sets of choices that basically boiled down a preference for lighter or darker skin. Think i came out in the middle, but I recall not liking the test. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 8, 2010 3:03:12 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? I like said, he reads like one of those racists who see themselves as enlightened and as you said, who will point to Latinos and Asians as to why our perspective is “crazy,” and use it as an excuse to not listen or open their minds. It is not intentional; it is unconscious. The only way he could be convinced is if he took an unconscious bias test. The problem is if you think you do not have it why would you take it unless you were force to. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 11:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? Those are the two women I was referencing, thanks, I'd forgotten Duella's name. Could only remember her being called Dee. I used to listen to Moore's BSG podcast. It was really good: every week he'd replay the entire show, and comment on it. When the religious leader was killed, he actually laughed on the podcast, saying of her death, So long--we're barely knew you! (Chuckles). That bothered me, both because it was a black woman, and because I didn't see anything funny in a character who was important to the journey being bumped off. Struck me as odd... I couldn't get why so important a character was bumped off like that, in an apparently throwaway manner. As for Duella, yeah, she bothered me a lot too. She really was used to move others' stories along. Aside from my irritation at her only being put with white men--back to my question, where are the brothers?--I was irritated her character was so incomplete. I'd be interested in hearing Moore's views on the subject. Maybe he'd point to the Latino men and Asian woman and say he can't please everyone? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 8, 2010 2:25:08 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? WARNING SPOILERS BELOW I remember two black women. Duella and the religious woman. The religious woman was killed off before anything could be done with her character. Duella’s character always bothered me. Most times, she seemed like a filler character and was occasionally used to move the story along for other characters. Also she has what I used to call the “Claudia and Brian syndrome”. Waaay back in the day, I used to watch General Hospital and they had this Black couple that they showcased as proof of diversity. We heard about their problems and issues like other characters, but unlike other characters, we were never exposed to the gory details or their stories. They were always coming and going. Duella had a relationship with the guy that worked for the president, but we never got any info on it until they decided to kill him off. She was also used to create tension between Apollo and Starbuck, but we never got to see how she became a devoted wife to Lee. She was not even dating him. We saw them divorce and she was gone. Very little exploration of their relationship. She was supposed to be close to Adama like the Asian girl, but unlike the Asian girl, we were never able to really see how they were close. We saw her be supposedly mellow and off herself, with one wrinkled brow provided as a clue to how she was really upset. We were able it be exposed to the nuances of the characters of other people of color on the show. Tori, the guy who lost his leg, but not Duella. The only time I saw otherwise was when they were doing an episode on planet-based bias, ironically. But in my view, it was done to help Bruce Davidson storyline. The man does not have a problem with people of color in general, but he does with Blacks, in my view. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 11:07 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? I was thinking the same thing a bit ago, Tracey, while making myself a milk shake (hey, it's my alcohol! Sugar free, of course!) I kept wondering how BSG/Caprica can be so devoid of important black men when Moore and crew crafted such a strong one in Sisko. I too wondered, did he simply inherit Sisko and worked with the character to make him
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At?
i never watched Friends, but remember being on a plane somewhere and it was shown. When I saw the nerdy Ross and the goofy Joey fighting over Aisha Tyler, I thought, Talk about white male fantasies! That show never reflected any reality of mine or any aspects of the NYC I've visited several times - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 8, 2010 10:03:24 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? I remember having this conversation with a black, female native New Yorker just before the turn of the millennium. We got into a heated argument regarding whether Friends or Mad About You was a more accurate depictions of NY City. I championed MAY because the Buchmans, as portrayed by Paul Reiser and Helen Hunt, actually seemed to be living in a city where minorities and (gasp!) poor people existed - and they were suitably edgy about it. Further, there appeared to be black people in the NYC of MAY and not just as single shot girlfriends for David Schwimmer's Dr. Ross (and, what was up with that? Ross gets to hit both Aisha Tyler and Gabrielle Union? I mean, seriously? No, I mean, fo real, doh!) ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: I think Caucasian writers never think of people of color unless they socialize with them. How else do we end up with tv shows like Seinfeld and Friends? NYC is extremely diverse and yet you have two examples of a show where even the extras are 98% white. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@...wrote: Adrianne, I write Afrocentric from my protagonists' standpoint, but my supporting characters are of all races, drawing from my own past. In defense of Caucasian writers, they may not be able to bridge that divide for the same reason. There simply may be no one of color in their circle for them to draw on example-wise, even in this exalted day and age. -- Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At?
yeah, what a fantasy that was... - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 8, 2010 10:07:03 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? Dr. Ross Geller from Friends? ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Yeah, I hear you, but I'm focused on brothers today. Besides, with no black *men* around, who do the Sisters hook up with? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 4:46:05 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? There probably should have been a major black male, but the series was obviously skewed more towards the power of women. There were several women of color in major roles. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Ah, but that's my point: none of them had pivotal roles or were memorable. You had to refresh my memory that one of the 12 was black, and I do remember that one that escaped too. But again, no black men have had major roles in either series. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 6:29:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? One of the 12 was black. He was an important character in the first 2 seasons, and the Plan. There was also a minor character that had been captured and escaped, but that didn't go anywhere. There were also several that were pilots on the transports. Also there were a couple on the other battlestar. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:53 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Something odd strikes me about the BSG/Caprica worlds: no black men in significant positions. I missed the last couple years of BSG, but I remember noting the curious lack of black men in anything but background roles. I think there was one reporter on that ship were political events were held, but he wasn't even the main reporter. I see them in the background on the ship, but no high level officers, now that Boomer and Tigh from the original series were replaced by an Asian lady and a white man, respectively. Hell: I don't even remember any of the fighter pilots being black. Where I *did* see black man on BSG? On the ep dealing with the prison ship, the place was lousy with black men: big, black, bald black men. I also note a lot of brothers functioning as scowling muscle. When Admiral Cain (michelle Forbes) came to Galactica, her high level staff was all white men. But the bodyguards? All big, very black, very bald, scowling black men. Left a bad taste in my mouth, and frankly one reason i lost some interest in the show. Did it get better? Now on Caprica I'm seeing the same thing. Sure, I see black men in the background: in the street traffic, maybe a reporter in the background shouting questions. Back again, I see no high level scientists, politicians, police, or military men who are black. The one black I can remember in anything approaching a recurring role? The big, black, bald, scowling brother who functions as the bodyguard/drive for the Greystones. What's the deal? This reminds me of the old days when we were in the background but little else. I'd ask if it's because of the shooting locale, but if they can find brothers to walk up and down the street, surely they could put some in important roles. It's cool and all they have a Latino in a role that may or may not be Latino, but my brothers are all but absent... -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Fwd: 7 Inventors You Didn't Know You Wanted To Punch In The Face]
funny stuff! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 8, 2010 4:03:08 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Fwd: 7 Inventors You Didn't Know You Wanted To Punch In The Face] http://www.cracked.com/article/214_7-inventors-you-didnt-know-you-wanted-to-punch-in-face/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] Thanks To Hulu, Indie Film 'Strictly Sexual' Hits Big
Welcome to entrepreneurship on the Web. Notice that packaging is everything, as the film has no nudity and no explicit sexual scenes... * http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123499181 Thanks To Hulu, Indie Film 'Strictly Sexual' Hits Big It's hard to predict what today's merging worlds of television, the Internet and streaming video will eventually become. But there's one rule that has made an easy transition from analog to the digital domain: Sex sells. 'We Don't Want Boyfriends' Strictly Sexual is a romantic comedy that never made it to the big screen — but it has been watched by millions on desktops and laptops. It's about two working professional women who have given up on relationships and decide to employ a couple of gigolos to fill the void. OK, you understand we don't want boyfriends, we don't want relationships, one woman says in the movie. We want two guys to service us. This is strictly sexual. Courtesy of Hyphenate Films Stevie Long, who wrote and acted in Strictly Sexual , says the movie has made more than 10 times its operating budget despite never being shown in theaters. Stevie Long, who wrote and acted in the film, says it is not, as the title might suggest, a porn flick. In fact, there's no nudity in his film whatsoever. Really the movie is about love and intimacy, Long says. But if I was to title the film 'Love and Intimacy,' I'm sure that people would think it's pretentious and never watch it. Yet Strictly Sexual is the most-watched movie of all time on Hulu.com. The film has no big-name stars and never had a theatrical release. But Long got it into the hands of a company that distributes films on cable and the Internet. 'I Had No Idea What Hulu Was' I woke up one morning and found a dozen or so messages in my Facebook inbox, saying, 'Hey, I just saw this film, and it really touched me, and I love the way it talks about breakups and relationships,' Long says. And I just scratched my head, saying, 'Where'd you see my movie?' I had no idea what Hulu was. God bless the people who had the foresight to put it up there. Hulu.com, for those who still don't know, is an incredibly popular video-streaming Web site. One online measurement service, ComScore, reported that more than 1 billion videos were watched on Hulu in December 2009 alone. It carries some movies and a lot of popular television shows, such as Lost , The Office and Family Guy . Long figures that people stumbled upon his film on Hulu while catching up on their favorite TV shows. We were hoping that, in a perfect world, that it would open on 2,000 screens — that Harvey Weinstein would put it all across America, Long says. We were fortunate in that the timing of the Internet and the ability to watch movies came about at the same time. I didn't have any ego about it as an artist, I just wanted my movie to be seen. Film Raked In More Than 10 Times Its Production Cost Hulu won't provide an exact view count for Strictly Sexual , but there are enough people watching to make Long a profit. When asked for the hard numbers, Long is coy. I'll give it to you in these rough terms, he says. The $100,000 film has made 10 times its money. That's enough to fund Long's next independent film. It's a tragic tale, Long says. It's about people in the porn industry and the denial that goes on there. We've appropriately titled it Porn Star: The Ugly Life of a Beautiful Girl . And I'd like to think that a lot of people are going to click on that title. Whether they click on it or not, Long has already proven that the Internet is a place where independent filmmakers can thrive. That is, if the title is right.
Re: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight
Some of it may have been the time and money, but I think more of it was director's aesthetic tastes. In watching The Book of Eli a couple of weeks ago, I was impressed at how the Hughes brothers had more of an old school take on cinematography. The fight scenes were brief but brutal, and I could see everything very well. They used wide shots, pan-and-zoom, to let me take everything in, without all the crazy quick cuts and multiple angles a lot of other directors use. I really think directors like Scorsese, Redford, Spike Lee, etc., just think it's a better way to tell a story. note that in Britain, Mexico, France, and other countries, there's a lot less of this music video type direction than in American film. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 2:30:01 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight I think that they had to stick to stagnant angles in older movies because they usually only had one or two cameras running at once, because they couldn't afford more than that. If they wanted multiple angles they would reset the scene then reshoot it. Now they can afford to rent 10 or 20 cameras and set them up at 50 angles and record them all in one take. The thing with big actors is that they don't want to take direction from the director. So some of them believe whatever their point of view is, is more valid than the director's vision. Which I believe is wrong! On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Watching it now. I was just telling my wife jubilantly, they just don't film movies like this anymore! Nowadays director would have twenty thousand camera angles, and you'd never be able to follow the action. This thing is fast-paced and exciting as hell, but I can take it all in. Speaking of great car chase scenes, another all-time one is from Ronin, one of my fav films. And I also love the classic pursuit of Batman's car in Batman Begins. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2010 9:01:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight I'm there right now, waiting for that chase scene, Keith. Bonnie and Clyde I'll be passing on, as it aired just last month. The French Connection, though, is a must, particularly since I picked up a bit of trivia about Gene Hackman's performance in it. In the scene where he roughs up the suspect, Hackman nearly quit the movie. An ardent liberal, he almost couldn't bring himself to do the scene. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 01:57:57 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight http://www.tcm.com/2010/31Days/index.jsp You know what? Forget SyFy Originals. Forget the eleventy-millionth airing of Caprica. Blow off Lifetime Movies. Turner Classic Movies is airing a great block of films tonight. Starting at 8 pm EST, we have Steve McQueen in Bullitt, with the man-of-few-words McQueen, and one of the great car chases of all time. That's followed at 10 pm by The French Connection, with a typically intense Gene Hackman in one of the other great car chases of all time. And then, at midnight, it's Bonnie and Clyde, Warren Beatty's violent New Hollywood tale of the famous robbers. The movies are part of TCM's 31 Days of Oscar, a month long airing of Oscar-wnning and -nominated films done every year. This is a great time to catch up on some of the best films of all time, from Casablanca to Citizen Kane, from Some Like it Hot, to Cabin in the Sky. The good thing about TCM is that in addition to showing Oscar-nominated films, this being Black History Month, they also show a lot of classic Black film dating back to the '20s. Ethel Waters in Cabin in the Sky is just one example. It's about the only place I've seen this and many other of those films from that time. Gonna be a long fun night! Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Special Unit 12 Marathon on SyFy
no mention of Augments in the Mirror Universe. Again, they still had Cochran in all but rags, still had the ragtag group in Montana, so one assumes they were at the same level as Kirk's Earth. And the Enterprise only had hull plating, no shields, which again makes it odd... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 2:57:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Special Unit 12 Marathon on SyFy I guess it depends on when they went down that path. For example, if Earth had the Eugenics wars and the Eugenics faction won they would have had a united front of hyper intelligent, aggressive, people with advanced strength to go out into space. They would just need a few ships out where the vulcans were passing by in the general location where they spotted Cocharon's warp drive. Then pretended that they were friendly then took over their ship and reverse engineered everything. Basically what the US did in WW2. On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I'm trying to figure out how Earth *got* to Vulcan based on using the tech in one stolen Vulcan starship. How did they create the infrastructure to create warpships, build and armada, and take Vulcan? Obviously they forged alliances with other races, but I'd sure like to see how they managed to do it so quickly. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2010 2:03:12 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Special Unit 12 Marathon on SyFy Keith, the sole answer I can give in explanation for the Empire's overrunning Vulcan is the one constant I saw in the two-part Enterprise AU run. Sheer, bloody-minded underhandedness. Earth probably went to Vulcan, hand extended in friendship, and the Vulcans never saw the phaser rifle in the other hand. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 06:32:08 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Special Unit 12 Marathon on SyFy I thought of that, but the Mirror Universe was moving along at the exact same clip. Even their infighting should have allowed them to advanced technology, 'cause remember, by Kirk's time they were still very powerful. Indeed, the Mirror Spock calculated the Empire would last another two centuries before being overthrown. As for the tech of the Enterprise, it is still inexplicably primitive. When it was being attacked by the Tholians, they said more than once that hull plating was failing. That leads me to believe it's the same ship: no energy shield technology yet. So again, how could Earth's Empire extend into interstellar space, and they have conquered Vulcan, yet their best ship is a tiny, technology unimpressive vessel? - Original Message - From: Rogue n1ro...@aol.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2010 12:57:52 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Special Unit 12 Marathon on SyFy The only thing I think of is the very first scene when the show started. The Next Generation Clue could have filled them in on what was going to happen or needed to happened which could explain that part. But as far at the ships when Kirk’s crew came along good question. The only thing I could think of is that they were too busy killing each other off to try to advance any further then they did. Would then explain by the time we get to the DS9 time they were on the losing side. --Lavender If all truths were knowable, then all truths are in fact known. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:29 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Special Unit 12 Marathon on SyFy The marathon is followed by re-airings of the latest Caprica eps again. And now, there's a four hour block of Enterprise. The first two eps are the fun Through a Glass, Darkly eps, taking place in the Mirror Universe. Fun shows. I love the way Malcolm is skulking about, just waiting to put someone in the Agony Booth. The radiation-scarred Trip is, well, a trip, too. My fav is Dr. Phlox, wearing all black, casually dissecting animals in Sick Bay. The way he perks up when Archer promises him human females is just creepy! Good stuff, but I always have questions about some of the plotting. How did lowly humans, just off a World War, with Cochran just about to do his first warp test, manage to reverse engineer the Vulcan ship? In the main timeline the Vulcans were needed to help Earth expand warp
[scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At?
Something odd strikes me about the BSG/Caprica worlds: no black men in significant positions. I missed the last couple years of BSG, but I remember noting the curious lack of black men in anything but background roles. I think there was one reporter on that ship were political events were held, but he wasn't even the main reporter. I see them in the background on the ship, but no high level officers, now that Boomer and Tigh from the original series were replaced by an Asian lady and a white man, respectively. Hell: I don't even remember any of the fighter pilots being black. Where I *did* see black man on BSG? On the ep dealing with the prison ship, the place was lousy with black men: big, black, bald black men. I also note a lot of brothers functioning as scowling muscle. When Admiral Cain (michelle Forbes) came to Galactica, her high level staff was all white men. But the bodyguards? All big, very black, very bald, scowling black men. Left a bad taste in my mouth, and frankly one reason i lost some interest in the show. Did it get better? Now on Caprica I'm seeing the same thing. Sure, I see black men in the background: in the street traffic, maybe a reporter in the background shouting questions. Back again, I see no high level scientists, politicians, police, or military men who are black. The one black I can remember in anything approaching a recurring role? The big, black, bald, scowling brother who functions as the bodyguard/drive for the Greystones. What's the deal? This reminds me of the old days when we were in the background but little else. I'd ask if it's because of the shooting locale, but if they can find brothers to walk up and down the street, surely they could put some in important roles. It's cool and all they have a Latino in a role that may or may not be Latino, but my brothers are all but absent...
Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At?
Ah, but that's my point: none of them had pivotal roles or were memorable. You had to refresh my memory that one of the 12 was black, and I do remember that one that escaped too. But again, no black men have had major roles in either series. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 6:29:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? One of the 12 was black. He was an important character in the first 2 seasons, and the Plan. There was also a minor character that had been captured and escaped, but that didn't go anywhere. There were also several that were pilots on the transports. Also there were a couple on the other battlestar. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:53 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Something odd strikes me about the BSG/Caprica worlds: no black men in significant positions. I missed the last couple years of BSG, but I remember noting the curious lack of black men in anything but background roles. I think there was one reporter on that ship were political events were held, but he wasn't even the main reporter. I see them in the background on the ship, but no high level officers, now that Boomer and Tigh from the original series were replaced by an Asian lady and a white man, respectively. Hell: I don't even remember any of the fighter pilots being black. Where I *did* see black man on BSG? On the ep dealing with the prison ship, the place was lousy with black men: big, black, bald black men. I also note a lot of brothers functioning as scowling muscle. When Admiral Cain (michelle Forbes) came to Galactica, her high level staff was all white men. But the bodyguards? All big, very black, very bald, scowling black men. Left a bad taste in my mouth, and frankly one reason i lost some interest in the show. Did it get better? Now on Caprica I'm seeing the same thing. Sure, I see black men in the background: in the street traffic, maybe a reporter in the background shouting questions. Back again, I see no high level scientists, politicians, police, or military men who are black. The one black I can remember in anything approaching a recurring role? The big, black, bald, scowling brother who functions as the bodyguard/drive for the Greystones. What's the deal? This reminds me of the old days when we were in the background but little else. I'd ask if it's because of the shooting locale, but if they can find brothers to walk up and down the street, surely they could put some in important roles. It's cool and all they have a Latino in a role that may or may not be Latino, but my brothers are all but absent... -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight
It's all about American filmmakers always trying to put out quick product that makes a lot of quick money, is easily digestible by young men, lends itself to DVD releases, and isn't too complicated. And it's about a perceived idea that subsequent generations won't sit still for the same thing as their elders. Note how even the news now is much more packaged to be slick and quick, with real discussion and analysis often rejected in favor of strident debate. I find it interesting that in films like The Hurt Locker, one of the things I've heard critics praise Bigelow for is good cinematography that lets you take in the action, despite its intensity. I think a lot of this is people just selling out and going with what seems to be easy and popular. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 6:41:58 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight I think that the European style of movies is just what they are used to seeing. We have had music in fight scenes since sound in film here. I think that there's too much dependence on special effects and over compensating of movement. A lot of the stuff we see now is after 15 years of overcompensation that no one under 35 know how to shoot a film without it. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Some of it may have been the time and money, but I think more of it was director's aesthetic tastes. In watching The Book of Eli a couple of weeks ago, I was impressed at how the Hughes brothers had more of an old school take on cinematography. The fight scenes were brief but brutal, and I could see everything very well. They used wide shots, pan-and-zoom, to let me take everything in, without all the crazy quick cuts and multiple angles a lot of other directors use. I really think directors like Scorsese, Redford, Spike Lee, etc., just think it's a better way to tell a story. note that in Britain, Mexico, France, and other countries, there's a lot less of this music video type direction than in American film. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 2:30:01 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight I think that they had to stick to stagnant angles in older movies because they usually only had one or two cameras running at once, because they couldn't afford more than that. If they wanted multiple angles they would reset the scene then reshoot it. Now they can afford to rent 10 or 20 cameras and set them up at 50 angles and record them all in one take. The thing with big actors is that they don't want to take direction from the director. So some of them believe whatever their point of view is, is more valid than the director's vision. Which I believe is wrong! On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Watching it now. I was just telling my wife jubilantly, they just don't film movies like this anymore! Nowadays director would have twenty thousand camera angles, and you'd never be able to follow the action. This thing is fast-paced and exciting as hell, but I can take it all in. Speaking of great car chase scenes, another all-time one is from Ronin, one of my fav films. And I also love the classic pursuit of Batman's car in Batman Begins. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2010 9:01:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight I'm there right now, waiting for that chase scene, Keith. Bonnie and Clyde I'll be passing on, as it aired just last month. The French Connection, though, is a must, particularly since I picked up a bit of trivia about Gene Hackman's performance in it. In the scene where he roughs up the suspect, Hackman nearly quit the movie. An ardent liberal, he almost couldn't bring himself to do the scene. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 01:57:57 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight http://www.tcm.com/2010/31Days/index.jsp You know what? Forget SyFy Originals. Forget the eleventy-millionth airing of Caprica. Blow off Lifetime Movies. Turner Classic Movies is airing a great block of films tonight. Starting at 8 pm EST, we have Steve McQueen in Bullitt, with the man-of-few-words McQueen, and one of the great car chases of all time. That's followed at 10 pm by The French Connection
Re: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon
Loved it and watched it from day one. Gary Cole was great and menacing, and Lucas Black was quite a find. I agree with you he hasn't quite reached the potential he showed in American Gothic and Sling Blade. I was really excited to see where he'd go. He has such an intense personality. But alas, aside from Friday Night Lights, I can't remember him with major roles in any other work. He works all the time--Legion, Jarhead, Cold Mountain--just not as visibly as I'd hoped. And don't forget American Gothic is the brainchild of former Hardy Boys teen heart throb Saun Cassidy. Cassidy was also behind the short-lived series Invasion (a modern take on the Invasion of the Body Snatchers theme), and, he was one of the producer/writers for the short-lived series Roar, which starred Heath Ledger as a Celtic warrior. When Cassidy's penchant for edge, adult fare started manifesting itself, quite a few suits and fews were surprised. I think he's one of the best talents in the scifi/fantasy genre. Unfortunately, he likes to write densely layered plots that take time to develop, and don't really on a lot of quick killing and action, so networks rarely give his stuff more than one year. He ought to try his hand at more movies, or maybe people like him and Joss Whedon need to form an outfit to get their stuff produced on networks that might actually support them for a while. Fox and ABC don't have the staying power. - Original Message - From: Aubrey Leatherwood aubrey.leatherw...@hotmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 1:06:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon Hey Guys, American Gothic is on Chiller for the next few hours. I was very much into this series (but never into Twin Peaks oddly enough) and somewhat amazed that it made it past a pitch session onto TV even if it was cancelled after one season. Produced by our buddy Sam Raimi it featured a few actors (Gary Cole, Jake Weber, Sarah Paulson) who are pretty successful these days. Lucas Black hasn't quite lived up to his potential, but you had to love him as a kid with that heavy Southern accent. Did anyone else watch it? Aubrey Leatherwood CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR FAVORITE EROTICA AUTHOR 2009 www.aubreyleatherwood.com FaceBook * MySpace Dime Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now.
Re: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon
Yeah, Cassidy is really talented. He has a gift for working the suspenseful, spooky side of things. Do you recall the shocking murder in the first ep of American Gothic? You *never* see anything like that on American television! There were some genuinely creepy moments in Invasion as well. I really liked that show... It seems to be me that every couple of years there's a discussion about why Joss Whedon's work doesn't make it on network TV--aside from Buffy and Angel, that is. There's all the discussions about how Fox won't stay with a good show for too long (such as the great, lamented Tru Calling, a show I loved). I wonder if Whendon would do better on FX, USA, or even HBO/Showtime? Maybe good people like him and Cassidy should try that - Original Message - From: Aubrey Leatherwood aubrey.leatherw...@hotmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 1:38:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon Oh wow, I forgot all about Shaun Cassidy. I think your idea about him and Whedon are right on the mark! Aubrey Leatherwood www.aubreyleatherwood.com FaceBook * MySpace Dime Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 18:25:12 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon Loved it and watched it from day one. Gary Cole was great and menacing, and Lucas Black was quite a find. I agree with you he hasn't quite reached the potential he showed in American Gothic and Sling Blade. I was really excited to see where he'd go. He has such an intense personality. But alas, aside from Friday Night Lights, I can't remember him with major roles in any other work. He works all the time--Legion, Jarhead, Cold Mountain--just not as visibly as I'd hoped. And don't forget American Gothic is the brainchild of former Hardy Boys teen heart throb Saun Cassidy. Cassidy was also behind the short-lived series Invasion (a modern take on the Invasion of the Body Snatchers theme), and, he was one of the producer/writers for the short-lived series Roar, which starred Heath Ledger as a Celtic warrior. When Cassidy's penchant for edge, adult fare started manifesting itself, quite a few suits and fews were surprised. I think he's one of the best talents in the scifi/fantasy genre. Unfortunately, he likes to write densely layered plots that take time to develop, and don't really on a lot of quick killing and action, so networks rarely give his stuff more than one year. He ought to try his hand at more movies, or maybe people like him and Joss Whedon need to form an outfit to get their stuff produced on networks that might actually support them for a while. Fox and ABC don't have the staying power. - Original Message - From: Aubrey Leatherwood aubrey.leatherw...@hotmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 1:06:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon Hey Guys, American Gothic is on Chiller for the next few hours. I was very much into this series (but never into Twin Peaks oddly enough) and somewhat amazed that it made it past a pitch session onto TV even if it was cancelled after one season. Produced by our buddy Sam Raimi it featured a few actors (Gary Cole, Jake Weber, Sarah Paulson) who are pretty successful these days. Lucas Black hasn't quite lived up to his potential, but you had to love him as a kid with that heavy Southern accent. Did anyone else watch it? Aubrey Leatherwood CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR FAVORITE EROTICA AUTHOR 2009 www.aubreyleatherwood.com FaceBook * MySpace Dime Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.
Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At?
No, you're right, it's my belief as well. I went to see Princess and the Frog yesterday. I really liked it, but was upset--as I anticipated--at a bit of cowardice on Pixar's part. To wit: not making the male romantic lead a black man (he's some odd darker-skinned color with straight hair and an ambiguous accent, but obviously not black like the princess). And, the fact that the vast bulk of the film has the two leads as animals, which is odd since I've never seen that in a Disney flick like this. Films with major animal sidekicks or stars outright? Sure, but not this. It showed that Pixar was simply nervous at making a black film, and played it safe. The only way around that is for more people of color to be in charge of film production. Still, we can't do everything, and for every movie or cartoon black people can manage to raise the funds and talent to create, there will be more works where others interpretate us, and we have to at least address that. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 1:54:47 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? Not meaning to be harsh, guys, but like I siad when I first joined this group: If you want to see black folks in sci-fi and horror, write them! I've seen a lot of your work, guys, and from some of the intelligent threads I've been reading in the group, we have a lot of potential great storytellers...Before you ask, I have been published twice...and I suck, so you guys with the chops will make an impressive killing if you put your stuff in front of the right eyes...(Think Bill Duke!) Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 12:01 PM Ah, but that's my point: none of them had pivotal roles or were memorable. You had to refresh my memory that one of the 12 was black, and I do remember that one that escaped too. But again, no black men have had major roles in either series. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 6:29:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? One of the 12 was black. He was an important character in the first 2 seasons, and the Plan. There was also a minor character that had been captured and escaped, but that didn't go anywhere. There were also several that were pilots on the transports. Also there were a couple on the other battlestar. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:53 AM, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote: Something odd strikes me about the BSG/Caprica worlds: no black men in significant positions. I missed the last couple years of BSG, but I remember noting the curious lack of black men in anything but background roles. I think there was one reporter on that ship were political events were held, but he wasn't even the main reporter. I see them in the background on the ship, but no high level officers, now that Boomer and Tigh from the original series were replaced by an Asian lady and a white man, respectively. Hell: I don't even remember any of the fighter pilots being black. Where I *did* see black man on BSG? On the ep dealing with the prison ship, the place was lousy with black men: big, black, bald black men. I also note a lot of brothers functioning as scowling muscle. When Admiral Cain (michelle Forbes) came to Galactica, her high level staff was all white men. But the bodyguards? All big, very black, very bald, scowling black men. Left a bad taste in my mouth, and frankly one reason i lost some interest in the show. Did it get better? Now on Caprica I'm seeing the same thing. Sure, I see black men in the background: in the street traffic, maybe a reporter in the background shouting questions. Back again, I see no high level scientists, politicians, police, or military men who are black. The one black I can remember in anything approaching a recurring role? The big, black, bald, scowling brother who functions as the bodyguard/drive for the Greystones. What's the deal? This reminds me of the old days when we were in the background but little else. I'd ask if it's because of the shooting locale, but if they can find brothers to walk up and down the street, surely they could put some in important roles. It's cool and all they have a Latino in a role that may or may not be Latino, but my brothers are all but absent... -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups
Re: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight
Yeah, it makes me worried. I think of the Hughes brothers, who showed that ability in The Book of Eli, and Kathryn Bigelow for The Hurt Locker. None of them are under 40... - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 2:56:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight Keith, I think you once said that too many of today's movie directors grew up in the Video Music Era, and the Crazy-Cut Technique is all they know. Too many of the Old Guard have either hung up their chairs or are only able to direct every five to ten years, owing to age. It's an era which, IMO, we'll never get back. :-( If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 09:43:35 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight Some of it may have been the time and money, but I think more of it was director's aesthetic tastes. In watching The Book of Eli a couple of weeks ago, I was impressed at how the Hughes brothers had more of an old school take on cinematography. The fight scenes were brief but brutal, and I could see everything very well. They used wide shots, pan-and-zoom, to let me take everything in, without all the crazy quick cuts and multiple angles a lot of other directors use. I really think directors like Scorsese, Redford, Spike Lee, etc., just think it's a better way to tell a story. note that in Britain, Mexico, France, and other countries, there's a lot less of this music video type direction than in American film. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 2:30:01 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight I think that they had to stick to stagnant angles in older movies because they usually only had one or two cameras running at once, because they couldn't afford more than that. If they wanted multiple angles they would reset the scene then reshoot it. Now they can afford to rent 10 or 20 cameras and set them up at 50 angles and record them all in one take. The thing with big actors is that they don't want to take direction from the director. So some of them believe whatever their point of view is, is more valid than the director's vision. Which I believe is wrong! On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Watching it now. I was just telling my wife jubilantly, they just don't film movies like this anymore! Nowadays director would have twenty thousand camera angles, and you'd never be able to follow the action. This thing is fast-paced and exciting as hell, but I can take it all in. Speaking of great car chase scenes, another all-time one is from Ronin, one of my fav films. And I also love the classic pursuit of Batman's car in Batman Begins. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2010 9:01:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight I'm there right now, waiting for that chase scene, Keith. Bonnie and Clyde I'll be passing on, as it aired just last month. The French Connection, though, is a must, particularly since I picked up a bit of trivia about Gene Hackman's performance in it. In the scene where he roughs up the suspect, Hackman nearly quit the movie. An ardent liberal, he almost couldn't bring himself to do the scene. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 01:57:57 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight http://www.tcm.com/2010/31Days/index.jsp You know what? Forget SyFy Originals. Forget the eleventy-millionth airing of Caprica. Blow off Lifetime Movies. Turner Classic Movies is airing a great block of films tonight. Starting at 8 pm EST, we have Steve McQueen in Bullitt, with the man-of-few-words McQueen, and one of the great car chases of all time. That's followed at 10 pm by The French Connection, with a typically intense Gene Hackman in one of the other great car chases of all time. And then, at midnight, it's Bonnie and Clyde, Warren Beatty's violent New Hollywood tale of the famous robbers. The movies are part of TCM's 31 Days of Oscar, a month long airing of Oscar-wnning and -nominated films done every year. This is a great time
Re: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight
I was just discussing The Seven-Ups last night, and how much I like that film. Roy Scheider is the connection between it and The French Connection. Great chase scene indeed. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 3:20:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight I'm with you on Ronin as well. That chase scene is what I used to sell seeing the movie to many of my co-workers after I took it in at the theaters. When it comes to chase scenes, my personal all-time fave is from another Frankenheimer work, The Seven-Ups. The scene begins with Roy Scheider's partner (Ken Kercheval, of Dallas fame) being murdered by a hit man in the trunk of a car. The hit man's getaway driver is visibly repulsed by the act but, once h=behind the wheel and driving, he's at ease in his element. The hit man, on the other hand, after shooting a cop several times in cold blood, is cringing at every high-speed maneuver. And the chase itself includes a moment when the getaway driver intentionally steers down a street full of schoolchildren at recess. Still makes me jump, just thinking about it. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 02:20:00 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight Watching it now. I was just telling my wife jubilantly, they just don't film movies like this anymore! Nowadays director would have twenty thousand camera angles, and you'd never be able to follow the action. This thing is fast-paced and exciting as hell, but I can take it all in. Speaking of great car chase scenes, another all-time one is from Ronin, one of my fav films. And I also love the classic pursuit of Batman's car in Batman Begins. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2010 9:01:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight I'm there right now, waiting for that chase scene, Keith. Bonnie and Clyde I'll be passing on, as it aired just last month. The French Connection, though, is a must, particularly since I picked up a bit of trivia about Gene Hackman's performance in it. In the scene where he roughs up the suspect, Hackman nearly quit the movie. An ardent liberal, he almost couldn't bring himself to do the scene. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 01:57:57 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight http://www.tcm.com/2010/31Days/index.jsp You know what? Forget SyFy Originals. Forget the eleventy-millionth airing of Caprica. Blow off Lifetime Movies. Turner Classic Movies is airing a great block of films tonight. Starting at 8 pm EST, we have Steve McQueen in Bullitt, with the man-of-few-words McQueen, and one of the great car chases of all time. That's followed at 10 pm by The French Connection, with a typically intense Gene Hackman in one of the other great car chases of all time. And then, at midnight, it's Bonnie and Clyde, Warren Beatty's violent New Hollywood tale of the famous robbers. The movies are part of TCM's 31 Days of Oscar, a month long airing of Oscar-wnning and -nominated films done every year. This is a great time to catch up on some of the best films of all time, from Casablanca to Citizen Kane, from Some Like it Hot, to Cabin in the Sky. The good thing about TCM is that in addition to showing Oscar-nominated films, this being Black History Month, they also show a lot of classic Black film dating back to the '20s. Ethel Waters in Cabin in the Sky is just one example. It's about the only place I've seen this and many other of those films from that time. Gonna be a long fun night! Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now.
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Then I wonder if the racism of Popeye Doyle bothered him? I forgot how casually racist people could be in films back in those days. Quite a bit of guinea thrown around at a black man, nig--- applied liberally, and a healthy dose of scornful spi-- to describe some Latino dudes who of course were about to boost a car. All the blacks in the film are drug dealers/users, with the exception of one undercover brother. Man, this reminds one of why Shaft and other blaxploitation films were such a hit: at last we got to be the good guys, we got to beat up on people, and we got ot insult/hit white men with impunity. Of course there's that whole troublesome sexist angle to much of the period of films... - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 3:22:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight He said that it wasn't the physicality of the act, but the concept of police brutality, something he was fervently against at the time. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 02:16:11 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight Hackman had trouble doing a scene like that? Wow! Just a couple of years ago, Hackman got into a fender bender, and the guy in the other car started mouthing off, then came at him. Hackman wiped the street with the guy. I read a recent interview where he said he's done with Hollywood. Said he was tired of taking direction, tired of having to sometimes fight with others to get quality work done. Don't know if it'll last, but that would explain why an actor who's been as much of a workaholic as Sam Jackson and Michael Caine has been fairly absent from the big screen in recent years. I wondered what had happened... - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2010 9:01:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight I'm there right now, waiting for that chase scene, Keith. Bonnie and Clyde I'll be passing on, as it aired just last month. The French Connection, though, is a must, particularly since I picked up a bit of trivia about Gene Hackman's performance in it. In the scene where he roughs up the suspect, Hackman nearly quit the movie. An ardent liberal, he almost couldn't bring himself to do the scene. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 01:57:57 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight http://www.tcm.com/2010/31Days/index.jsp You know what? Forget SyFy Originals. Forget the eleventy-millionth airing of Caprica. Blow off Lifetime Movies. Turner Classic Movies is airing a great block of films tonight. Starting at 8 pm EST, we have Steve McQueen in Bullitt, with the man-of-few-words McQueen, and one of the great car chases of all time. That's followed at 10 pm by The French Connection, with a typically intense Gene Hackman in one of the other great car chases of all time. And then, at midnight, it's Bonnie and Clyde, Warren Beatty's violent New Hollywood tale of the famous robbers. The movies are part of TCM's 31 Days of Oscar, a month long airing of Oscar-wnning and -nominated films done every year. This is a great time to catch up on some of the best films of all time, from Casablanca to Citizen Kane, from Some Like it Hot, to Cabin in the Sky. The good thing about TCM is that in addition to showing Oscar-nominated films, this being Black History Month, they also show a lot of classic Black film dating back to the '20s. Ethel Waters in Cabin in the Sky is just one example. It's about the only place I've seen this and many other of those films from that time. Gonna be a long fun night! Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.
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Truth to that, but I honestly think a lot of these dudes just don't know how to shoot a film. G.I. Joe, the Rise of Cobra, for example. The subject matter and stuff would have done the same money regardless of how the action was shot. But the camera work was atrocious: scene shifts so fast they were dizzying, fights so hyperactive I literally couldn't see who was doing what move. That has nothing to do with money; it has to do with the director simply not having the skill and knowledge to shoot what's becoming old style action scenes. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 4:20:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight I think that their selling out has little to do with choice. Most feel pressured to do the bigger money maker over something more artistic. What I think happens is that they think that if they make a few money makers they can make more artistic smaller films later. The problem is that may backfire and they end up doing it for the rest of their career. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: It's all about American filmmakers always trying to put out quick product that makes a lot of quick money, is easily digestible by young men, lends itself to DVD releases, and isn't too complicated. And it's about a perceived idea that subsequent generations won't sit still for the same thing as their elders. Note how even the news now is much more packaged to be slick and quick, with real discussion and analysis often rejected in favor of strident debate. I find it interesting that in films like The Hurt Locker, one of the things I've heard critics praise Bigelow for is good cinematography that lets you take in the action, despite its intensity. I think a lot of this is people just selling out and going with what seems to be easy and popular. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 6:41:58 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight I think that the European style of movies is just what they are used to seeing. We have had music in fight scenes since sound in film here. I think that there's too much dependence on special effects and over compensating of movement. A lot of the stuff we see now is after 15 years of overcompensation that no one under 35 know how to shoot a film without it. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Some of it may have been the time and money, but I think more of it was director's aesthetic tastes. In watching The Book of Eli a couple of weeks ago, I was impressed at how the Hughes brothers had more of an old school take on cinematography. The fight scenes were brief but brutal, and I could see everything very well. They used wide shots, pan-and-zoom, to let me take everything in, without all the crazy quick cuts and multiple angles a lot of other directors use. I really think directors like Scorsese, Redford, Spike Lee, etc., just think it's a better way to tell a story. note that in Britain, Mexico, France, and other countries, there's a lot less of this music video type direction than in American film. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 2:30:01 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight I think that they had to stick to stagnant angles in older movies because they usually only had one or two cameras running at once, because they couldn't afford more than that. If they wanted multiple angles they would reset the scene then reshoot it. Now they can afford to rent 10 or 20 cameras and set them up at 50 angles and record them all in one take. The thing with big actors is that they don't want to take direction from the director. So some of them believe whatever their point of view is, is more valid than the director's vision. Which I believe is wrong! On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Watching it now. I was just telling my wife jubilantly, they just don't film movies like this anymore! Nowadays director would have twenty thousand camera angles, and you'd never be able to follow the action. This thing is fast-paced and exciting as hell, but I can take it all in. Speaking of great car chase scenes, another all-time one is from Ronin, one of my fav films. And I also love the classic pursuit of Batman's car in Batman Begins. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2010 9:01:42 PM GMT -05
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So Oldboy has good fight scenes? I was completely caught off guard at the first fight scene in Eli. The way it was silhouetted, the quick and brutal nature of it, but the fact that I could follow everything--it was heaven to me in this ADD world in movie direction. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 4:26:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight We end up with ADD style directors or mumblecore as style of direction. The fight scene in Eli reminded me of the fight scene in Oldboy. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Keith, I think you once said that too many of today's movie directors grew up in the Video Music Era, and the Crazy-Cut Technique is all they know. Too many of the Old Guard have either hung up their chairs or are only able to direct every five to ten years, owing to age. It's an era which, IMO, we'll never get back. :-( If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 09:43:35 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight Some of it may have been the time and money, but I think more of it was director's aesthetic tastes. In watching The Book of Eli a couple of weeks ago, I was impressed at how the Hughes brothers had more of an old school take on cinematography. The fight scenes were brief but brutal, and I could see everything very well. They used wide shots, pan-and-zoom, to let me take everything in, without all the crazy quick cuts and multiple angles a lot of other directors use. I really think directors like Scorsese, Redford, Spike Lee, etc., just think it's a better way to tell a story. note that in Britain, Mexico, France, and other countries, there's a lot less of this music video type direction than in American film. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 2:30:01 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight I think that they had to stick to stagnant angles in older movies because they usually only had one or two cameras running at once, because they couldn't afford more than that. If they wanted multiple angles they would reset the scene then reshoot it. Now they can afford to rent 10 or 20 cameras and set them up at 50 angles and record them all in one take. The thing with big actors is that they don't want to take direction from the director. So some of them believe whatever their point of view is, is more valid than the director's vision. Which I believe is wrong! On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Watching it now. I was just telling my wife jubilantly, they just don't film movies like this anymore! Nowadays director would have twenty thousand camera angles, and you'd never be able to follow the action. This thing is fast-paced and exciting as hell, but I can take it all in. Speaking of great car chase scenes, another all-time one is from Ronin, one of my fav films. And I also love the classic pursuit of Batman's car in Batman Begins. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2010 9:01:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight I'm there right now, waiting for that chase scene, Keith. Bonnie and Clyde I'll be passing on, as it aired just last month. The French Connection, though, is a must, particularly since I picked up a bit of trivia about Gene Hackman's performance in it. In the scene where he roughs up the suspect, Hackman nearly quit the movie. An ardent liberal, he almost couldn't bring himself to do the scene. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 01:57:57 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight http://www.tcm.com/2010/31Days/index.jsp You know what? Forget SyFy Originals. Forget the eleventy-millionth airing of Caprica. Blow off Lifetime Movies. Turner Classic Movies is airing a great block of films tonight. Starting at 8 pm EST, we have Steve McQueen in Bullitt, with the man-of-few-words McQueen, and one of the great car chases of all time. That's followed at 10 pm by The French Connection, with a typically intense Gene Hackman in one
Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At?
Yeah, I hear you, but I'm focused on brothers today. Besides, with no black *men* around, who do the Sisters hook up with? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 4:46:05 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? There probably should have been a major black male, but the series was obviously skewed more towards the power of women. There were several women of color in major roles. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Ah, but that's my point: none of them had pivotal roles or were memorable. You had to refresh my memory that one of the 12 was black, and I do remember that one that escaped too. But again, no black men have had major roles in either series. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 6:29:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? One of the 12 was black. He was an important character in the first 2 seasons, and the Plan. There was also a minor character that had been captured and escaped, but that didn't go anywhere. There were also several that were pilots on the transports. Also there were a couple on the other battlestar. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:53 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Something odd strikes me about the BSG/Caprica worlds: no black men in significant positions. I missed the last couple years of BSG, but I remember noting the curious lack of black men in anything but background roles. I think there was one reporter on that ship were political events were held, but he wasn't even the main reporter. I see them in the background on the ship, but no high level officers, now that Boomer and Tigh from the original series were replaced by an Asian lady and a white man, respectively. Hell: I don't even remember any of the fighter pilots being black. Where I *did* see black man on BSG? On the ep dealing with the prison ship, the place was lousy with black men: big, black, bald black men. I also note a lot of brothers functioning as scowling muscle. When Admiral Cain (michelle Forbes) came to Galactica, her high level staff was all white men. But the bodyguards? All big, very black, very bald, scowling black men. Left a bad taste in my mouth, and frankly one reason i lost some interest in the show. Did it get better? Now on Caprica I'm seeing the same thing. Sure, I see black men in the background: in the street traffic, maybe a reporter in the background shouting questions. Back again, I see no high level scientists, politicians, police, or military men who are black. The one black I can remember in anything approaching a recurring role? The big, black, bald, scowling brother who functions as the bodyguard/drive for the Greystones. What's the deal? This reminds me of the old days when we were in the background but little else. I'd ask if it's because of the shooting locale, but if they can find brothers to walk up and down the street, surely they could put some in important roles. It's cool and all they have a Latino in a role that may or may not be Latino, but my brothers are all but absent... -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight
Yeah, isn't that what United Artists' goal was: to allow the actors to control their own fates? and didn't Tom Cruise recently buy into trying to revive that system? I think it depends on the actors. I trust actors with old school sensibilities: Redford, Clooney, Denzel, Freeman, DiCaprio, Winslet, Streep, Hanks. I think actors like that appreciate the magic of movies and sometimes want a bit more control of their fates to turn out good product that's not something made by committee by a studio only interested in pleasing the widest possible demographic. So in that way, artists having more say is a good thing. It also comes down to good working relationships, which is why you see so many actors form long time working relationships with directors with whom they share views of how movies should be. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 4:30:12 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight Yea that is an actor with too much pull. That is totally crazy to me that the actor's opinion can outweigh the directors so much. But if I remember correctly it isn't the first time nor will it be the last. There are certain actors in the past that used to muscle the director. Sinatra for example. Sometimes it goes both ways though. There are directors that got too crazy with their directing and ruined it for all of the directors. The director of Heaven's gate for example. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Say that last again, please! When I heard (again, I believe, from Keith, but please correct an old man if he's wrong) that Edward Norton got the final cut on American History X, cutting the director out of the process altogether, I lost most of my respect for the man as an actor. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 23:30:01 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight I think that they had to stick to stagnant angles in older movies because they usually only had one or two cameras running at once, because they couldn't afford more than that. If they wanted multiple angles they would reset the scene then reshoot it. Now they can afford to rent 10 or 20 cameras and set them up at 50 angles and record them all in one take. The thing with big actors is that they don't want to take direction from the director. So some of them believe whatever their point of view is, is more valid than the director's vision. Which I believe is wrong! On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Watching it now. I was just telling my wife jubilantly, they just don't film movies like this anymore! Nowadays director would have twenty thousand camera angles, and you'd never be able to follow the action. This thing is fast-paced and exciting as hell, but I can take it all in. Speaking of great car chase scenes, another all-time one is from Ronin, one of my fav films. And I also love the classic pursuit of Batman's car in Batman Begins. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2010 9:01:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight I'm there right now, waiting for that chase scene, Keith. Bonnie and Clyde I'll be passing on, as it aired just last month. The French Connection, though, is a must, particularly since I picked up a bit of trivia about Gene Hackman's performance in it. In the scene where he roughs up the suspect, Hackman nearly quit the movie. An ardent liberal, he almost couldn't bring himself to do the scene. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 01:57:57 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight http://www.tcm.com/2010/31Days/index.jsp You know what? Forget SyFy Originals. Forget the eleventy-millionth airing of Caprica. Blow off Lifetime Movies. Turner Classic Movies is airing a great block of films tonight. Starting at 8 pm EST, we have Steve McQueen in Bullitt, with the man-of-few-words McQueen, and one of the great car chases of all time. That's followed at 10 pm by The French Connection, with a typically intense Gene Hackman in one of the other great car chases of all time. And then, at midnight, it's Bonnie and Clyde, Warren Beatty's violent New
Re: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight
Funny! My fav lines come from Shaft. When Shaft is oh-so-coolly addressing the police captain, the captain's lieutenant is sorely ticked that his boss is treating Shaft with respect. He feels Shaft's attitude is one of dismissal. When Shaft decides he wants to leave--having the temerity *not* to have been dismissed first--the white cop says where do you think you're going?! I'm going home to get [loved], where are you going? Shaft laughs as he strolls away confidently. That boy's got a lot of mouth, the offended cop grumbles. That *man* can back it up, his captain replies. Man, I'm too young to have seen the movie in theatres, but I can imagine black folk probably cheered that scene with nearly as much passion as the scene in that flick where Bruce Lee kicks and destroys that No dogs or Chinese allowed sign! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 5:30:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight LMNAO @ that last! Early on, when I first got DirecTV, I saw '70s Jim Brown flick, Black GUnn. In it, some White guy made the mistake of coming on to a Black woman in Gunn's club, and Gunn promptly ejected him. And the guy apologized afterward. Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.
Re: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight
He's pretty true to life for white cops of that time. I mean, one minute he's using the n-word, the next he's laughing with a fellow black cop. Brings back memories: growing up in Texas in the '70s, my life was full of white friends and teachers with that same schizophrenic view of race relations. I actually had to deal with white people using nigger around me and then say ing Oh, that doesn't apply to you, Keith. A few minutes later, after getting over their shock and fear, they either got it--or learned never to speak that way around me or any other black again. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 5:54:01 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight When I was a kid it was a big complaint about that film. A lot of people boycotted it here because of the negative portrayal of black people. If I remember correctly the trailer talked about him being a bigot. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Then I wonder if the racism of Popeye Doyle bothered him? I forgot how casually racist people could be in films back in those days. Quite a bit of guinea thrown around at a black man, nig--- applied liberally, and a healthy dose of scornful spi-- to describe some Latino dudes who of course were about to boost a car. All the blacks in the film are drug dealers/users, with the exception of one undercover brother. Man, this reminds one of why Shaft and other blaxploitation films were such a hit: at last we got to be the good guys, we got to beat up on people, and we got ot insult/hit white men with impunity. Of course there's that whole troublesome sexist angle to much of the period of films... - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 3:22:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight He said that it wasn't the physicality of the act, but the concept of police brutality, something he was fervently against at the time. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 02:16:11 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight Hackman had trouble doing a scene like that? Wow! Just a couple of years ago, Hackman got into a fender bender, and the guy in the other car started mouthing off, then came at him. Hackman wiped the street with the guy. I read a recent interview where he said he's done with Hollywood. Said he was tired of taking direction, tired of having to sometimes fight with others to get quality work done. Don't know if it'll last, but that would explain why an actor who's been as much of a workaholic as Sam Jackson and Michael Caine has been fairly absent from the big screen in recent years. I wondered what had happened... - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2010 9:01:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight I'm there right now, waiting for that chase scene, Keith. Bonnie and Clyde I'll be passing on, as it aired just last month. The French Connection, though, is a must, particularly since I picked up a bit of trivia about Gene Hackman's performance in it. In the scene where he roughs up the suspect, Hackman nearly quit the movie. An ardent liberal, he almost couldn't bring himself to do the scene. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 01:57:57 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight http://www.tcm.com/2010/31Days/index.jsp You know what? Forget SyFy Originals. Forget the eleventy-millionth airing of Caprica. Blow off Lifetime Movies. Turner Classic Movies is airing a great block of films tonight. Starting at 8 pm EST, we have Steve McQueen in Bullitt, with the man-of-few-words McQueen, and one of the great car chases of all time. That's followed at 10 pm by The French Connection, with a typically intense Gene Hackman in one of the other great car chases of all time. And then, at midnight, it's Bonnie and Clyde, Warren Beatty's violent New Hollywood tale of the famous robbers. The movies are part of TCM's 31 Days of Oscar, a month long airing of Oscar-wnning and -nominated films done every year. This is a great time
Re: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon
Exactly, that's why I mentioned them. Cassidy is also not a director who needs a lot of money for FX and sets. He likes to do plot-driven stuff, so i think his talents would work with one of the cable stations that can stick with a show for a time. The so-called broadcast networks are just to difficult to please. The likes of Lost, Chuck, Heroes are the rare exceptions. I'm worried about Human Target for that reason. If it flags, maybe USA or TNT can grab it... - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 6:37:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon Ironically, FX sticks with stuff for a while From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 11:22 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon Yeah, Cassidy is really talented. He has a gift for working the suspenseful, spooky side of things. Do you recall the shocking murder in the first ep of American Gothic? You *never* see anything like that on American television! There were some genuinely creepy moments in Invasion as well. I really liked that show... It seems to be me that every couple of years there's a discussion about why Joss Whedon's work doesn't make it on network TV--aside from Buffy and Angel, that is. There's all the discussions about how Fox won't stay with a good show for too long (such as the great, lamented Tru Calling, a show I loved). I wonder if Whendon would do better on FX, USA, or even HBO/Showtime? Maybe good people like him and Cassidy should try that - Original Message - From: Aubrey Leatherwood aubrey.leatherw...@hotmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 1:38:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon Oh wow, I forgot all about Shaun Cassidy. I think your idea about him and Whedon are right on the mark! Aubrey Leatherwood www.aubreyleatherwood.com FaceBook * MySpace Dime Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 18:25:12 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon Loved it and watched it from day one. Gary Cole was great and menacing, and Lucas Black was quite a find. I agree with you he hasn't quite reached the potential he showed in American Gothic and Sling Blade. I was really excited to see where he'd go. He has such an intense personality. But alas, aside from Friday Night Lights, I can't remember him with major roles in any other work. He works all the time--Legion, Jarhead, Cold Mountain--just not as visibly as I'd hoped. And don't forget American Gothic is the brainchild of former Hardy Boys teen heart throb Saun Cassidy. Cassidy was also behind the short-lived series Invasion (a modern take on the Invasion of the Body Snatchers theme), and, he was one of the producer/writers for the short-lived series Roar, which starred Heath Ledger as a Celtic warrior. When Cassidy's penchant for edge, adult fare started manifesting itself, quite a few suits and fews were surprised. I think he's one of the best talents in the scifi/fantasy genre. Unfortunately, he likes to write densely layered plots that take time to develop, and don't really on a lot of quick killing and action, so networks rarely give his stuff more than one year. He ought to try his hand at more movies, or maybe people like him and Joss Whedon need to form an outfit to get their stuff produced on networks that might actually support them for a while. Fox and ABC don't have the staying power. - Original Message - From: Aubrey Leatherwood aubrey.leatherw...@hotmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 1:06:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon Hey Guys, American Gothic is on Chiller for the next few hours. I was very much into this series (but never into Twin Peaks oddly enough) and somewhat amazed that it made it past a pitch session onto TV even if it was cancelled after one season. Produced by our buddy Sam Raimi it featured a few actors (Gary Cole, Jake Weber, Sarah Paulson) who are pretty successful these days. Lucas Black hasn't quite lived up to his potential, but you had to love him as a kid with that heavy Southern accent. Did anyone else watch it? Aubrey Leatherwood CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR FAVORITE EROTICA AUTHOR
Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At?
that's what I thought. It really, really bothered me on the prison ship, where the place was lousy with big, bald, black men. And then, Admiral Cain's guards all being black and scowling--made me quite angry. On Caprica, Greystone told his black bodyguard/driver to go get the car when his wife started nutting up at the memorial service. I thought Great, first black man on Caprica I've seen not in the background, and he's the damn chaffeur! - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 6:34:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? The one was little more than an extra. Unlike every other cylon, he had no storylines devoted to his character and in at least two episodes that he appeared in, he did not even have lines From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 10:02 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? Ah, but that's my point: none of them had pivotal roles or were memorable. You had to refresh my memory that one of the 12 was black, and I do remember that one that escaped too. But again, no black men have had major roles in either series. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 6:29:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? One of the 12 was black. He was an important character in the first 2 seasons, and the Plan. There was also a minor character that had been captured and escaped, but that didn't go anywhere. There were also several that were pilots on the transports. Also there were a couple on the other battlestar. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:53 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Something odd strikes me about the BSG/Caprica worlds: no black men in significant positions. I missed the last couple years of BSG, but I remember noting the curious lack of black men in anything but background roles. I think there was one reporter on that ship were political events were held, but he wasn't even the main reporter. I see them in the background on the ship, but no high level officers, now that Boomer and Tigh from the original series were replaced by an Asian lady and a white man, respectively. Hell: I don't even remember any of the fighter pilots being black. Where I *did* see black man on BSG? On the ep dealing with the prison ship, the place was lousy with black men: big, black, bald black men. I also note a lot of brothers functioning as scowling muscle. When Admiral Cain (michelle Forbes) came to Galactica, her high level staff was all white men. But the bodyguards? All big, very black, very bald, scowling black men. Left a bad taste in my mouth, and frankly one reason i lost some interest in the show. Did it get better? Now on Caprica I'm seeing the same thing. Sure, I see black men in the background: in the street traffic, maybe a reporter in the background shouting questions. Back again, I see no high level scientists, politicians, police, or military men who are black. The one black I can remember in anything approaching a recurring role? The big, black, bald, scowling brother who functions as the bodyguard/drive for the Greystones. What's the deal? This reminds me of the old days when we were in the background but little else. I'd ask if it's because of the shooting locale, but if they can find brothers to walk up and down the street, surely they could put some in important roles. It's cool and all they have a Latino in a role that may or may not be Latino, but my brothers are all but absent... -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon
I agree Tracey, but H'wood has little room for his unique type of talents. Maybe the BBC? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 6:35:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon I’m a big fan of Cassidy. If I see his name on it, I’m going to check it out. I wish he did more work From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 10:25 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon Loved it and watched it from day one. Gary Cole was great and menacing, and Lucas Black was quite a find. I agree with you he hasn't quite reached the potential he showed in American Gothic and Sling Blade. I was really excited to see where he'd go. He has such an intense personality. But alas, aside from Friday Night Lights, I can't remember him with major roles in any other work. He works all the time--Legion, Jarhead, Cold Mountain--just not as visibly as I'd hoped. And don't forget American Gothic is the brainchild of former Hardy Boys teen heart throb Saun Cassidy. Cassidy was also behind the short-lived series Invasion (a modern take on the Invasion of the Body Snatchers theme), and, he was one of the producer/writers for the short-lived series Roar, which starred Heath Ledger as a Celtic warrior. When Cassidy's penchant for edge, adult fare started manifesting itself, quite a few suits and fews were surprised. I think he's one of the best talents in the scifi/fantasy genre. Unfortunately, he likes to write densely layered plots that take time to develop, and don't really on a lot of quick killing and action, so networks rarely give his stuff more than one year. He ought to try his hand at more movies, or maybe people like him and Joss Whedon need to form an outfit to get their stuff produced on networks that might actually support them for a while. Fox and ABC don't have the staying power. - Original Message - From: Aubrey Leatherwood aubrey.leatherw...@hotmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 1:06:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon Hey Guys, American Gothic is on Chiller for the next few hours. I was very much into this series (but never into Twin Peaks oddly enough) and somewhat amazed that it made it past a pitch session onto TV even if it was cancelled after one season. Produced by our buddy Sam Raimi it featured a few actors (Gary Cole, Jake Weber, Sarah Paulson) who are pretty successful these days. Lucas Black hasn't quite lived up to his potential, but you had to love him as a kid with that heavy Southern accent. Did anyone else watch it? Aubrey Leatherwood CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR FAVORITE EROTICA AUTHOR 2009 www.aubreyleatherwood.com FaceBook * MySpace Dime Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now.
[scifinoir2] Who Dat Who Said Saints Win!?
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Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At?
I agree with you and Astro. I'm a big believer in the concept of FUBU--For Us By Us. I think no one can tell the stories of women, blacks, Asians, etc., better than those of us in those groups. So in that way, Astro is right: we need to write, produce, finance, and control more of our own stuff. But by the same token, we also live in a world where others were always be telling our stories, corroborating on telling our stories, or backing us in telling our stories. In a country where men still run most things, a woman can't easily expect to produce novels or movies without having to work with men in meaningful ways. In a country where whites are the majority, a black person can't easily get to certain levels of success without working with those whites at least sometimes. And that is where I think we have to challenge and educate people not like us to understand us, and to better represent us in various forms of media. I have spent years talking to my wife about a host of things, since, as a black woman, she has faced challenges and struggles I've never faced, despite my being black exposing me to some shared prejudices with her. Similarly, I think we have to challenge the people who make stuff like BSG, The Princess and the Frog, Hitch, etc., to listen to and understand our points of view better. The world of scifi/fantasy can often be a very white, male, conservative one. Are panels like the one you sat on common? Is there anything approaching a system in the industry for scifi or fantasy where people actually seek out a way to exchange ideas and viewpoints in a manner similar to what our panel was doing? - Original Message - From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 8:06:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? I was on a panel at a scifi/fantasy con called Women in Science Fiction and as a panelist, this is pretty much what I concluded/begged/declared. Women and minorities both draw the short straw in scifi, and it drives me more than a bit batshit. It's also made me realize that I need to contribute more to the genre as a writer. I have seriously considered getting more writers onto this list in order to shame them into making their own writing more balanced also. I think people need to get over their fear of writing outside their experience when it comes to things such as women writing stories about gay men, Caucasians writing about Native Americans, African Americans, and any other race besides their own, et cetera. And believe me, I'm currently aiming to practice what I'm preaching. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:54 PM, C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com wrote: Not meaning to be harsh, guys, but like I siad when I first joined this group: If you want to see black folks in sci-fi and horror, write them! I've seen a lot of your work, guys, and from some of the intelligent threads I've been reading in the group, we have a lot of potential great storytellers...Before you ask, I have been published twice...and I suck, so you guys with the chops will make an impressive killing if you put your stuff in front of the right eyes...(Think Bill Duke!) Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 12:01 PM Ah, but that's my point: none of them had pivotal roles or were memorable. You had to refresh my memory that one of the 12 was black, and I do remember that one that escaped too. But again, no black men have had major roles in either series. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 6:29:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? One of the 12 was black. He was an important character in the first 2 seasons, and the Plan. There was also a minor character that had been captured and escaped, but that didn't go anywhere. There were also several that were pilots on the transports. Also there were a couple on the other battlestar. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:53 AM, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote: Something odd strikes me
Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At?
Maybe we need to start adding some more lit discussions here? If nothing else, some of us who write can start talking more, even if it's offline... - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 8:15:05 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? I lot of writers used to be on the list way back when. Many of them do not related to TV and even film and told me they felt out of sorts. So I started a literature groups which did pretty well. When I got sick and suffered brain trauma I pretty much abandoned both the TV and film list and the literature list. This list thrived on its own. I tried to get a moderator for the other list , but he never did anything. Anyway we had one person on the list who was kind of in your face who chased a lot of people away. Then Charles Brandon Society started flourishing, so I did not see the need to compete. I am no longer active with Charles Brandon, but it seems to be a good place for writers, but not necessarily for ones that have a love of comic, TV and film From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Adrianne Brennan Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 5:06 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? I was on a panel at a scifi/fantasy con called Women in Science Fiction and as a panelist, this is pretty much what I concluded/begged/declared. Women and minorities both draw the short straw in scifi, and it drives me more than a bit batshit. It's also made me realize that I need to contribute more to the genre as a writer. I have seriously considered getting more writers onto this list in order to shame them into making their own writing more balanced also. I think people need to get over their fear of writing outside their experience when it comes to things such as women writing stories about gay men, Caucasians writing about Native Americans, African Americans, and any other race besides their own, et cetera. And believe me, I'm currently aiming to practice what I'm preaching. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:54 PM, C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com wrote: Not meaning to be harsh, guys, but like I siad when I first joined this group: If you want to see black folks in sci-fi and horror, write them! I've seen a lot of your work, guys, and from some of the intelligent threads I've been reading in the group, we have a lot of potential great storytellers...Before you ask, I have been published twice...and I suck, so you guys with the chops will make an impressive killing if you put your stuff in front of the right eyes...(Think Bill Duke!) Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 12:01 PM Ah, but that's my point: none of them had pivotal roles or were memorable. You had to refresh my memory that one of the 12 was black, and I do remember that one that escaped too. But again, no black men have had major roles in either series. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 6:29:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? One of the 12 was black. He was an important character in the first 2 seasons, and the Plan. There was also a minor character that had been captured and escaped, but that didn't go anywhere. There were also several that were pilots on the transports. Also there were a couple on the other battlestar. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:53 AM, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote: Something odd strikes me about the BSG/Caprica worlds: no black men in significant positions. I missed the last couple years of BSG, but I remember noting the curious lack of black men in anything but background roles. I think there was one reporter on that ship were political events were held, but he wasn't even the main reporter. I see them in the background on the ship, but no high level officers, now that Boomer and Tigh from the original series were replaced by an Asian
Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At?
A lot of this is *having* to leave your comfort zone. There's a saying in Hollywood, Women and girls will see movies with men and boys, but men and boys won't see movies with women and girls. I have always expanded that to include the H'Wood sentiment, People of color will see films with white leads, but whites won't see films with black leads. At least, that's why H'Wood brands movies with two main black leads black films, and fears their success with white and European audiences. Whites have been able for centuries to live and work in a world where they haven't had to deal with people of color in meaningful ways. They gave us Captain Kirk and Superman and Batman and white Presidents, and we accepted it because we felt we had no choice until we gained more political, financial, and social power. Similarly, women have had much of their lives and representations dictated to them by men who've controlled their fates. White men haven't really had to deal with not being in charge of everything. I think a lot of this Tea Party crap is frankly a bunch of disgruntled people in the majority who hate a world where people of color, non-Christians, gays, etc., are demanding more of a voice. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 8:50:33 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? I think that its not that they are afraid of getting heat from doing something wrong but it just never dawn on them to write anything other than what they already know. Basically, a white male writes about white males, a white woman writes about white women. There are exceptions (Tarantino, Law and Order) and variations (My big fat greek wedding for example.) but for the most part they are mirroring. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com wrote: Actually I'd chalk it up to fear. Fear of doing something un-PC/racist/inaccurate in the process and get slammed for it. And it's really a shame. Unfortunately race is such a loaded issue people would rather avoid it than tackle it head on. As far as what I'm working on at present, here's a good example: I have a main char who is a vampire in NOLA. I have long considered the idea that she is of a mixed racial background and maybe even at one point hid that fact on purpose. It'd be a very interesting plot to tackle and would make her background that much more interesting. What I first have to do is research NOLA in the very early 20th century (which is when she would've been around) and get a better sense of how a woman of her background would've fared before and after being Turned in that time period--and take it from there. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: I think Caucasian writers never think of people of color unless they socialize with them. How else do we end up with tv shows like Seinfeld and Friends? NYC is extremely diverse and yet you have two examples of a show where even the extras are 98% white. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Adrianne, I write Afrocentric from my protagonists' standpoint, but my supporting characters are of all races, drawing from my own past. In defense of Caucasian writers, they may not be able to bridge that divide for the same reason. There simply may be no one of color in their circle for them to draw on example-wise, even in this exalted day and age. Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At?
That's cool to hear. I think a lot of people are so entrenched in comfort zones of how the world is, they have trouble accepting change. Some see it as a threat, when the real threat to them is simply the *idea* of change, not any horrible results from that change. A couple of years ago, I had a discussion with a very conservative white dude at my old job. Discussion ranged all over the map: illegal immigration, gay rights, Obama, the Iraq invasion, etc. It was one of those rare times when I cut lose with my true feelings around someone like that at work. The thing was, I was raised as, and remain, a Christian, with Christian views of loving others as myself, helping others, etc. . I have fairly traditional views about how to treat women, marriage, etc. I love America, etc., etc. So this dude and I should have several things in common. However, I'm a very liberal black man who tells it like it is. When I finished making statements about some of my beliefs, he got red faced and said, It's liberals like you who are trying to destroy America. How, I asked him, could my simply wanting people of color, women, gays, and foreigners to have the same advantages in life he had be destroying America? How could my wanting people to abandon non-Christian hatred of those different of them do anything but help this country? I related the conversation to a friend of mine and he said, Keith, realize, to his mind you are trying to destroy America: the safe, comfortable America he grew up in, and that terrifies him. - Original Message - From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 8:55:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? I think I'm slightly braver than most writers, and certainly seeking to broaden my palette. I actually do write about men and those all over the GLBT spectrum. I just take it from the standpoint that they're people like any other person and don't write about stereotypes. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: I think that its not that they are afraid of getting heat from doing something wrong but it just never dawn on them to write anything other than what they already know. Basically, a white male writes about white males, a white woman writes about white women. There are exceptions (Tarantino, Law and Order) and variations (My big fat greek wedding for example.) but for the most part they are mirroring. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com wrote: Actually I'd chalk it up to fear. Fear of doing something un-PC/racist/inaccurate in the process and get slammed for it. And it's really a shame. Unfortunately race is such a loaded issue people would rather avoid it than tackle it head on. As far as what I'm working on at present, here's a good example: I have a main char who is a vampire in NOLA. I have long considered the idea that she is of a mixed racial background and maybe even at one point hid that fact on purpose. It'd be a very interesting plot to tackle and would make her background that much more interesting. What I first have to do is research NOLA in the very early 20th century (which is when she would've been around) and get a better sense of how a woman of her background would've fared before and after being Turned in that time period--and take it from there. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: I think Caucasian writers never think of people of color unless they socialize with them. How else do we end up with tv shows like Seinfeld and Friends? NYC is extremely diverse and yet you have two examples of a show where even the extras are 98% white. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Adrianne, I write Afrocentric from my protagonists' standpoint, but my supporting characters are of all races, drawing from my own past. In defense of Caucasian writers, they may not be able to bridge that divide for the same reason. There simply may be no one of color in
Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At?
I was thinking the same thing a bit ago, Tracey, while making myself a milk shake (hey, it's my alcohol! Sugar free, of course!) I kept wondering how BSG/Caprica can be so devoid of important black men when Moore and crew crafted such a strong one in Sisko. I too wondered, did he simply inherit Sisko and worked with the character to make him good? As such, he could be an example of that most problematic of people: someone who doesn't see color (or thinks he doesn't), and who doesn't like to make what he thinks are some kind of quota/affirmative action based decisions. And thus, being what they think is colorblind, they continue to populate their worlds with people who look like them, and never realize how others are being overlooked. How do you think he's done with black women on BSG/Caprica? I can only recall the black religious leader who guided the President in BSG for a while (died in a bobby trap?), and the sister who worked in CNC on Galactica. She was okay, but I was miffed with her rather slight character, and of course, not brothers for her to date, even though they were always lurking in the background. BSG/Caprica has put Latinoes and Asians in prominent roles--perhaps, are blacks just being left out 'cause there's only so much room at that table, and the seats have been taken? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 11:58:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? I know Moore set trends with Sisco on DS9 with regards to Blacks men having power on TV, but I’ve begun to think that was a fluke resulting from him inheriting Sisco. I think he has some issues with us, but believes himself to be enlightened in this regard. The only evidence to the contrary other then Sisco, which I admit is substantial, is the Joe Morton episode of BSG From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 8:17 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? that's what I thought. It really, really bothered me on the prison ship, where the place was lousy with big, bald, black men. And then, Admiral Cain's guards all being black and scowling--made me quite angry. On Caprica, Greystone told his black bodyguard/driver to go get the car when his wife started nutting up at the memorial service. I thought Great, first black man on Caprica I've seen not in the background, and he's the damn chaffeur! - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 6:34:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? The one was little more than an extra. Unlike every other cylon, he had no storylines devoted to his character and in at least two episodes that he appeared in, he did not even have lines From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 10:02 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? Ah, but that's my point: none of them had pivotal roles or were memorable. You had to refresh my memory that one of the 12 was black, and I do remember that one that escaped too. But again, no black men have had major roles in either series. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 6:29:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? One of the 12 was black. He was an important character in the first 2 seasons, and the Plan. There was also a minor character that had been captured and escaped, but that didn't go anywhere. There were also several that were pilots on the transports. Also there were a couple on the other battlestar. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:53 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Something odd strikes me about the BSG/Caprica worlds: no black men in significant positions. I missed the last couple years of BSG, but I remember noting the curious lack of black men in anything but background roles. I think there was one reporter on that ship were political events were held, but he wasn't even the main reporter. I see them in the background on the ship, but no high level officers, now that Boomer and Tigh from the original series were replaced by an Asian lady and a white man, respectively. Hell: I don't even remember any of the fighter pilots being black. Where I *did* see black man on BSG? On the ep dealing with the prison ship, the place was lousy with black men: big, black, bald
Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At?
Who or what is Carl Brandon? Good point: Lit is tricky. We probably range all over the map. for example, i read scifi and fantasy, but vampire/werewolf stuff isn't a fav of mine, yet a lot of people here love it. Recent lists of books being read by Martin and B. Smith were all but Greek to me: not a single one is on my radar. I'm still rocking the latest books from Raymond Feist (Riftwar books), Terry Brooks (Shannara, Knight of the Word), Donaldson (Thomas Covenant), and George RR Martin (Song of Ice and Fire). I wonder, if everyone listed the top ten, or most recent ten, scifi/fantasy books they've read, would we have several that can be discussed? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 8, 2010 1:58:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? We used to have lit discussions, It was about ½ lit, maybe a little less, but if you do not watch TV or go to the movies much, so much on a subject that you cannot relate to might be alienating, even if there is content that speaks to you. This is the feedback that I got when people unsubscribed. So, I set up the literature group, and for about five years that did the trick. The feedback was great. We had few unsubscribes and the list got pretty big. Then I got sick, and stopped moderating and a few people went nuts. At the same time, the Carl Brandon group came into being and a lot of people who got sick of being attacked went there. I went there too as I started to get better. I do not seek to compete, so I even refer people to it. That being said I think it would be good for us to start discussing literature again. While I do not have the heart to delete the other group, the other group is essentially dead. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 10:38 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? Maybe we need to start adding some more lit discussions here? If nothing else, some of us who write can start talking more, even if it's offline... - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 8:15:05 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? I lot of writers used to be on the list way back when. Many of them do not related to TV and even film and told me they felt out of sorts. So I started a literature groups which did pretty well. When I got sick and suffered brain trauma I pretty much abandoned both the TV and film list and the literature list. This list thrived on its own. I tried to get a moderator for the other list , but he never did anything. Anyway we had one person on the list who was kind of in your face who chased a lot of people away. Then Charles Brandon Society started flourishing, so I did not see the need to compete. I am no longer active with Charles Brandon, but it seems to be a good place for writers, but not necessarily for ones that have a love of comic, TV and film From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Adrianne Brennan Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 5:06 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? I was on a panel at a scifi/fantasy con called Women in Science Fiction and as a panelist, this is pretty much what I concluded/begged/declared. Women and minorities both draw the short straw in scifi, and it drives me more than a bit batshit. It's also made me realize that I need to contribute more to the genre as a writer. I have seriously considered getting more writers onto this list in order to shame them into making their own writing more balanced also. I think people need to get over their fear of writing outside their experience when it comes to things such as women writing stories about gay men, Caucasians writing about Native Americans, African Americans, and any other race besides their own, et cetera. And believe me, I'm currently aiming to practice what I'm preaching. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:54 PM, C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com wrote: Not meaning to be harsh, guys, but like I siad when I first joined this group: If you want to see black folks in sci-fi and horror, write them
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I agree. It makes me laugh, rage, and damn near cry to hear people and pundits like George Will claim the Tea Party represents all Americans. Amazing how they continually explain away the ever-present racist and hate-filled signs at Tea Party gatherings as small fringe members. Crazy they can say Palin represents me, when the Alaska NAACP chapter couldn't even get in to speak to her when she was governor, and she always went to small, rural, mostly white towns to find the real America. I've long wished America could abandon the confining two-party system for a more complete multi-party system, but it seems to me that most third parties that get any traction lean conservative. Not sure why. I do know that most people who loudly proclaim themselves as independent or Libertarian, seem to be rather right-leaning people who do nothing to represent my views. I once asked another member on the list, James Landrith, to explain why everyone I see or hear on TV/radio who claims to be independent is actually fairly conservative. He gave a great explanation of how that side of the group gains so much of spotlight. I need to dig that e-mail up. - Original Message - From: bruce harden bhsleepystude...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 8, 2010 2:06:05 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? just had this argument with friends about the tea p0arty movement .W hen see a midlec lass movent with folks of alll americans I..ll get behind it. And as for sarah palin none has breached the subject ofher alaskan for alskanans so white south african views. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: A lot of this is *having* to leave your comfort zone. There's a saying in Hollywood, Women and girls will see movies with men and boys, but men and boys won't see movies with women and girls. I have always expanded that to include the H'Wood sentiment, People of color will see films with white leads, but whites won't see films with black leads. At least, that's why H'Wood brands movies with two main black leads black films, and fears their success with white and European audiences. Whites have been able for centuries to live and work in a world where they haven't had to deal with people of color in meaningful ways. They gave us Captain Kirk and Superman and Batman and white Presidents, and we accepted it because we felt we had no choice until we gained more political, financial, and social power. Similarly, women have had much of their lives and representations dictated to them by men who've controlled their fates. White men haven't really had to deal with not being in charge of everything. I think a lot of this Tea Party crap is frankly a bunch of disgruntled people in the majority who hate a world where people of color, non-Christians, gays, etc., are demanding more of a voice. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 8:50:33 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? I think that its not that they are afraid of getting heat from doing something wrong but it just never dawn on them to write anything other than what they already know. Basically, a white male writes about white males, a white woman writes about white women. There are exceptions (Tarantino, Law and Order) and variations (My big fat greek wedding for example.) but for the most part they are mirroring. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com wrote: Actually I'd chalk it up to fear. Fear of doing something un-PC/racist/inaccurate in the process and get slammed for it. And it's really a shame. Unfortunately race is such a loaded issue people would rather avoid it than tackle it head on. As far as what I'm working on at present, here's a good example: I have a main char who is a vampire in NOLA. I have long considered the idea that she is of a mixed racial background and maybe even at one point hid that fact on purpose. It'd be a very interesting plot to tackle and would make her background that much more interesting. What I first have to do is research NOLA in the very early 20th century (which is when she would've been around) and get a better sense of how a woman of her background would've fared before and after being Turned in that time period--and take it from there. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html
Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At?
Those are the two women I was referencing, thanks, I'd forgotten Duella's name. Could only remember her being called Dee. I used to listen to Moore's BSG podcast. It was really good: every week he'd replay the entire show, and comment on it. When the religious leader was killed, he actually laughed on the podcast, saying of her death, So long--we're barely knew you! (Chuckles). That bothered me, both because it was a black woman, and because I didn't see anything funny in a character who was important to the journey being bumped off. Struck me as odd... I couldn't get why so important a character was bumped off like that, in an apparently throwaway manner. As for Duella, yeah, she bothered me a lot too. She really was used to move others' stories along. Aside from my irritation at her only being put with white men--back to my question, where are the brothers?--I was irritated her character was so incomplete. I'd be interested in hearing Moore's views on the subject. Maybe he'd point to the Latino men and Asian woman and say he can't please everyone? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 8, 2010 2:25:08 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? WARNING SPOILERS BELOW I remember two black women. Duella and the religious woman. The religious woman was killed off before anything could be done with her character. Duella’s character always bothered me. Most times, she seemed like a filler character and was occasionally used to move the story along for other characters. Also she has what I used to call the “Claudia and Brian syndrome”. Waaay back in the day, I used to watch General Hospital and they had this Black couple that they showcased as proof of diversity. We heard about their problems and issues like other characters, but unlike other characters, we were never exposed to the gory details or their stories. They were always coming and going. Duella had a relationship with the guy that worked for the president, but we never got any info on it until they decided to kill him off. She was also used to create tension between Apollo and Starbuck, but we never got to see how she became a devoted wife to Lee. She was not even dating him. We saw them divorce and she was gone. Very little exploration of their relationship. She was supposed to be close to Adama like the Asian girl, but unlike the Asian girl, we were never able to really see how they were close. We saw her be supposedly mellow and off herself, with one wrinkled brow provided as a clue to how she was really upset. We were able it be exposed to the nuances of the characters of other people of color on the show. Tori, the guy who lost his leg, but not Duella. The only time I saw otherwise was when they were doing an episode on planet-based bias, ironically. But in my view, it was done to help Bruce Davidson storyline. The man does not have a problem with people of color in general, but he does with Blacks, in my view. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 11:07 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? I was thinking the same thing a bit ago, Tracey, while making myself a milk shake (hey, it's my alcohol! Sugar free, of course!) I kept wondering how BSG/Caprica can be so devoid of important black men when Moore and crew crafted such a strong one in Sisko. I too wondered, did he simply inherit Sisko and worked with the character to make him good? As such, he could be an example of that most problematic of people: someone who doesn't see color (or thinks he doesn't), and who doesn't like to make what he thinks are some kind of quota/affirmative action based decisions. And thus, being what they think is colorblind, they continue to populate their worlds with people who look like them, and never realize how others are being overlooked. How do you think he's done with black women on BSG/Caprica? I can only recall the black religious leader who guided the President in BSG for a while (died in a bobby trap?), and the sister who worked in CNC on Galactica. She was okay, but I was miffed with her rather slight character, and of course, not brothers for her to date, even though they were always lurking in the background. BSG/Caprica has put Latinoes and Asians in prominent roles--perhaps, are blacks just being left out 'cause there's only so much room at that table, and the seats have been taken? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 11:58:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers
[scifinoir2] Great Action Flicks on TCM Tonight
http://www.tcm.com/2010/31Days/index.jsp You know what? Forget SyFy Originals. Forget the eleventy-millionth airing of Caprica. Blow off Lifetime Movies. Turner Classic Movies is airing a great block of films tonight. Starting at 8 pm EST, we have Steve McQueen in Bullitt, with the man-of-few-words McQueen, and one of the great car chases of all time. That's followed at 10 pm by The French Connection, with a typically intense Gene Hackman in one of the other great car chases of all time. And then, at midnight, it's Bonnie and Clyde, Warren Beatty's violent New Hollywood tale of the famous robbers. The movies are part of TCM's 31 Days of Oscar, a month long airing of Oscar-wnning and -nominated films done every year. This is a great time to catch up on some of the best films of all time, from Casablanca to Citizen Kane, from Some Like it Hot, to Cabin in the Sky. The good thing about TCM is that in addition to showing Oscar-nominated films, this being Black History Month, they also show a lot of classic Black film dating back to the '20s. Ethel Waters in Cabin in the Sky is just one example. It's about the only place I've seen this and many other of those films from that time. Gonna be a long fun night!
Re: [scifinoir2] Special Unit 12 Marathon on SyFy
I'm trying to figure out how Earth *got* to Vulcan based on using the tech in one stolen Vulcan starship. How did they create the infrastructure to create warpships, build and armada, and take Vulcan? Obviously they forged alliances with other races, but I'd sure like to see how they managed to do it so quickly. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2010 2:03:12 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Special Unit 12 Marathon on SyFy Keith, the sole answer I can give in explanation for the Empire's overrunning Vulcan is the one constant I saw in the two-part Enterprise AU run. Sheer, bloody-minded underhandedness. Earth probably went to Vulcan, hand extended in friendship, and the Vulcans never saw the phaser rifle in the other hand. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 06:32:08 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Special Unit 12 Marathon on SyFy I thought of that, but the Mirror Universe was moving along at the exact same clip. Even their infighting should have allowed them to advanced technology, 'cause remember, by Kirk's time they were still very powerful. Indeed, the Mirror Spock calculated the Empire would last another two centuries before being overthrown. As for the tech of the Enterprise, it is still inexplicably primitive. When it was being attacked by the Tholians, they said more than once that hull plating was failing. That leads me to believe it's the same ship: no energy shield technology yet. So again, how could Earth's Empire extend into interstellar space, and they have conquered Vulcan, yet their best ship is a tiny, technology unimpressive vessel? - Original Message - From: Rogue n1ro...@aol.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2010 12:57:52 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Special Unit 12 Marathon on SyFy The only thing I think of is the very first scene when the show started. The Next Generation Clue could have filled them in on what was going to happen or needed to happened which could explain that part. But as far at the ships when Kirk’s crew came along good question. The only thing I could think of is that they were too busy killing each other off to try to advance any further then they did. Would then explain by the time we get to the DS9 time they were on the losing side. --Lavender If all truths were knowable, then all truths are in fact known. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:29 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Special Unit 12 Marathon on SyFy The marathon is followed by re-airings of the latest Caprica eps again. And now, there's a four hour block of Enterprise. The first two eps are the fun Through a Glass, Darkly eps, taking place in the Mirror Universe. Fun shows. I love the way Malcolm is skulking about, just waiting to put someone in the Agony Booth. The radiation-scarred Trip is, well, a trip, too. My fav is Dr. Phlox, wearing all black, casually dissecting animals in Sick Bay. The way he perks up when Archer promises him human females is just creepy! Good stuff, but I always have questions about some of the plotting. How did lowly humans, just off a World War, with Cochran just about to do his first warp test, manage to reverse engineer the Vulcan ship? In the main timeline the Vulcans were needed to help Earth expand warp capability. They certainly didn't help the Mirror Universe Earth after they killed the V ulcan crew! So how did Earth manage to develop deep space warp ships and expand the Empire? Surely the Klingons would have annihilated them? Also, it must be assumed that, unlike Starfleet, the Empire has full tech on the level of the other spacefaring races, due to its theft of the Vulcan ship, and due to its control of an interstellar empire. If so, why is the Enterprise of that universe still the same small, primitive-looking ship? Shouldn't they have something larger and more advanced lookin? Finally, fun show, like I said, but the recovery of a Constitution class starship from Kirk's time would serious upset that universe's timeline. By the time Kirk and his crew first visit the Mirror Universe, therefore, I think they'd be well advanced of the Federation of Kirk's time. - Original Message - From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2010 12:03:55 PM GMT -05:0 0 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Special Unit 12 Marathon on SyFy Watching
