Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

The flip side of this coin is the FBI trying this in the court of public opinion. I say it's a publicity stunt by the FBI. Fear Fear Fear. That's what they're selling these days, and I haven't been buying tehy b**sh*t since 9/11. bp On 2/19/2016 6:58 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

I wasn't implying that that was all there is to it. The NSA has access to super computers. Once they have access to the memory/storage chips, they can brute force their way into it. It might take a while, but it's possible. bp On 2/19/2016 7:03 PM, Travis

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

I forgot about that. Yeah, mine have them too. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Josh Reynolds" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 11:06:10 PM

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

Used to have your SSN on your dogtags. Just recently they have changed that to some other identification number used only within the DoD. On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 10:42 PM, Jay Weekley wrote: > Me too. I wrote it on all my tests and papers. My social was posted in the

Re: [AFMUG] Antennas Behind Wood or Glass in Old Building?

I do not think I can swap the glass. I've made the request already, but have not gotten an official response. -- On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 10:57 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Any chance you can replace the glass with Plexiglas/Lucite or > polycarbonate? >

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

Me too. I wrote it on all my tests and papers. My social was posted in the halls of many buildings next to my final grades. Chuck McCown wrote: When I was in college, my student ID was my SSN. Same for everyone. *From:* Bill Prince *Sent:* Friday, February 19,

Re: [AFMUG] Antennas Behind Wood or Glass in Old Building?

Any chance you can replace the glass with Plexiglas/Lucite or polycarbonate? From: Christopher Gray Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 9:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Antennas Behind Wood or Glass in Old Building? I may have an opportunity to install some radios inside a steeple with

Re: [AFMUG] FS: Planet Industrial Switch

It only has two sfp slots, tried both of them. On Friday, February 19, 2016, Lewis Bergman wrote: > Did you try another slot? We had issues until we figured out the first > couple of slots won't work with tik. The rest do. > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2016, 4:36 PM Jason McKemie

[AFMUG] Antennas Behind Wood or Glass in Old Building?

I may have an opportunity to install some radios inside a steeple with some very specific requirements. I'm currently considering 5 GHz and 3.65 GHz radios for this location. I'd like to do some PTP and PMP links, but I cannot afford to lose too much. I have the option between mounting behind 1"

Re: [AFMUG] FS: Planet Industrial Switch

Did you try another slot? We had issues until we figured out the first couple of slots won't work with tik. The rest do. On Fri, Feb 19, 2016, 4:36 PM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > It didn't play nice with a mikrotik at the other end of a fiber link. > > On Friday,

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

I agree with that... in that case, I don't think that it would be reasonable for the FBI to force the company to make a key - if the company happens to have a key for the door, then I have no problem with forcing them to give it to the FBI, but I don't think it's reasonable or right to force them

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

It would be like asking the manufacturer of the lock on your door to your house to make a key to let the FBI into your house. Why doesn't the FBI just break the door down?? They are claiming they can't, because the door is too big. I don't think it's Apple's responsibility to make a key to

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 traffic to ff02::1:2

Cassidy deduced the MAC earlier in the thread. I found that thread in the switch table to determine which AP it was. I confirmed it was found in the bridge table of the AP on the WLAN0 interface. From there there isn't an easy way to trace it to a single radio. I used to log into each radio and

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

There is obviously a little more to it than that. The information is encrypted with a double key encryption scheme. They can't just pull the memory and get to the info, because without the hardware chip to decrypt the info, it's impossible. Travis On 2/19/2016 5:53 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

http://apple.slashdot.org/story/16/02/20/0041209/apple-terrorists-apple-id-password-changed-in-government-custody SB county saused a password reset of the phone which put the FBI in the situation they are in now. The chain of custody of the phone is now suspect, and the phone possibly may not be

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

True, getting it decided in the courts is the best outcome. I'm still not convinced that this is anything more than a publicity stunt on Apples side. If Apple has the ability to create a way to unlock it, and they haven't said that they can't do it, how is that any different from them already

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

Absolutely Chuck, I think this is why smart companies have what I think is called “A Canary Statement” on their web sites. While one cannot disclose legally the receipt of existence of a national security letter having been presented to them, they do publish a statement somewhere on their web

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 traffic to ff02::1:2

How did you trace that to the customer/port? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 7:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 traffic to ff02::1:2 Forgot to update: had the customer reboot his router and the traffic

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

WIthout taking a public position one way or the other, this need to be settled in the courts so that we all have some idea of what rights we do or do not have; we should not be required to guess about what the government can and can't do; if we can't be trusted to know what the government can do,

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

I don't think this is controlled by the executive branch at all. I think the intelligence agencies have enough on them as well to force financing of projects off the books. On Feb 19, 2016 8:21 PM, "Brian Webster" wrote: > Ok I will bite to keep the thread moving. > > >

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

Ok I will bite to keep the thread moving. Ponder this thought: Executive branch has the ability to direct the NSA to do domestic spying, may not be legal but they do it anyway. This includes spying on members of congress. We know politicians all have skeletons in their closets,

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

Agree 100% Forrest. Well put. On Feb 19, 2016 7:23 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" < li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > I think the underlying issue here is this: > > It used to be that all of this data was kept locked up (or at least behind > closed doors) in a house, or a place of business,

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

That is my issue with true treason; it isn't sufficiently punished. True treason should actually punished by death. That Navy shit that gave away everything only for a decade or so. On Fri, Feb 19, 2016, 5:20 PM wrote: > Imagine being caught with an Enigma Machine during WWII?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

Costa Rica is nice :) On Fri, Feb 19, 2016, 5:09 PM Josh Reynolds wrote: > As a proud US service member who handed the government a check with the > numerical value "my life" on it before going in to combat, maybe it's time > for me to find a new country. > > This one has

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

I can't ship AES or encryption 2 products to most places outside the US On Fri, Feb 19, 2016, 5:02 PM wrote: > Encryption used to be regulated like weapons. Not sure if it still is, > but back when I was stuff with cylink, there was a whole laundry list of > countries we

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 traffic to ff02::1:2

Forgot to update: had the customer reboot his router and the traffic disappeared. Watching it carefully for a return but good for 24 hrs so far. -Ty On Feb 18, 2016 2:33 PM, "David" wrote: > I like this guy! > > > On 02/18/2016 12:21 PM, Chris Wright wrote: > > It just

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

Yeah, I was being a troll when I started the thread. I knew it would get some traction. Tushar was right, I was bored. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 7:01 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple Hire a high school get to open phone. Geezh On Feb 19, 2016

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

Hire a high school get to open phone. Geezh On Feb 19, 2016 3:45 PM, wrote: > Treason? >

Re: [AFMUG] HAMSs and Internet

I was not stating that you should or might be obligated to give anything to them. That is entirely up to you and only you. There is no doubt you will find some asshats among the ranks of the amateur radio community. My post was just to help inform the list readers what types of things the

Re: [AFMUG] HAMSs and Internet

You ought to look in to the new rules to see if you can get your license renewed. I think if you can produce paperwork you might be able to get exam credit for being prior licensed but not positive on that. There was some new rule change in the last couple of years for something like that.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

Because terrorism! On Friday, February 19, 2016, Mike Hammett wrote: > "I'm pretty convinced this is *not* about getting the data off of that > phone, and more about using this event as leverage to force apple to give > the government tools to be able to do this with any

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

those who would give up liberty for security deserve neither -Ben Franklin On Friday, February 19, 2016, wrote: > What is wrong with the FBI having this ability? How does that have a > negative impact on me? > I could argue that it has a positive benefit to the nation. > >

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

An excerpt from the blogmaverick.com link: “Speech can only be free when it is protected. We are only free when we can say what we feel we must in any manner of private or public that we choose. We have a right to protect our speech from those, domestic or otherwise, who may watch or monitor

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

I think the underlying issue here is this: It used to be that all of this data was kept locked up (or at least behind closed doors) in a house, or a place of business, or wherever. If one wanted the data, the government had to go get a search warrant, enter one's house, then take the data from

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

No matter what happens it is going to be a bit of fun to watch this play out in court. Lots of good opposing philosophical rhetoric to follow. Provides fodder for thought experiments. Much more fun that the freaking election. I remember when Apple released this version of iOS and made

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

Raw data breaks down and has a higher barrier to entry. Digital data does not break down and has a lower barrier to entry. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown"

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

When I was in college, my student ID was my SSN. Same for everyone. From: Bill Prince Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 6:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple The fudge packers at medicare use your SSN for the account number you are required to write on the check. They have

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

No actually the government is asking them to build a special version of iOS that disables the 10 wrong passcode entries that would normally lock the phone permanently. The FBI wants to use their computer and software to try to break the 4 digit lock code. But if they try more than 10 times then

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

The fudge packers at medicare use your SSN for the account number you are required to write on the check. They have no clue. bp On 2/19/2016 5:05 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: The last time I trusted the federal government with something very important, they let my

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

Ditto. Someone has all of my information too. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Josh Reynolds" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 7:05:12 PM

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

Yeah, happens, but with Target too. It’s the world we live in. Do you trust Walmart or Amazon? This is not just a government type of thing. Was this malicious, or directed? It was probably an accident. And did this harm you? You can have my DNA if you visit anywhere I am. It

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

http://feeds.packetpushers.net/~/138662473/0/pppodcastnetwork - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 6:23:43 PM Subject:

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160219/15165433654/dissecting-dismantling-myths-dojs-motion-to-compel-apple-to-build-backdoor.shtml After the article here is a single comment that seems to summarize my feelings pretty well. "The claim that this order has nothing to do with any other

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

"I'm pretty convinced this is *not* about getting the data off of that phone, and more about using this event as leverage to force apple to give the government tools to be able to do this with any phone." That's exactly what this is. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

The last time I trusted the federal government with something very important, they let my blood type, fingerprint, DNA, social security number, names numbers and addresses of relatives and friends, my wife's SSN, and all three of my kid's SSNs data get collected by a third party. Just an example.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

bet that smarts. Hate it when I get my flash probed... bp On 2/19/2016 4:10 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Pretty sure they could probe the flash if they had to. *From:* Bill Prince *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 5:06 PM *To:*

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

If I have a business in Tooele, Utah, I have to have “Knox Box” on the building with a key in it for the building. The fire department has a key for all the knox boxes. Is that much more invasive than unlocking your phone? Nobody is screaming about that. Happens in many cities. If you

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

Blow the breaking into the phone crap! just get the memory out of it. requires a good tech and a de-soldering tool. bp On 2/19/2016 3:59 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I didn’t think the deadline had arrived yet, and that the next step would be for Apple to present their

Re: [AFMUG] FS: Planet Industrial Switch

Yes. On Friday, February 19, 2016, David Milholen wrote: > Was mode of sfp and cable matched correctly ? > > > On 2/19/2016 4:52 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: > > Tried two different SFPs with the same results. > > On Friday, February 19, 2016, Josh Reynolds < >

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

What if this path continues, and in the future the police officer that just pulled you over for speeding, suspects you might be up to something else... so he then takes your phone, unlocks it from his car, downloads everything to his laptop, and then sends it off to be inspected? Do you want

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

Careful there! That dangerous encryption stuff might burn your fingers! bp On 2/19/2016 3:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Imagine being caught with an Enigma Machine during WWII? Especially if you were a known communist. Do you think that would have played? Oh, I am

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

A perspective: http://blogmaverick.com/2016/02/18/apple-vs-the-fbi-vs-a-suggestion/ Another: http://lauren.vortex.com/archive/001155.html On Feb 19, 2016 6:23 PM, wrote: > What is wrong with the FBI having this ability? How does that have a > negative impact on me? > I could

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

What is wrong with the FBI having this ability? How does that have a negative impact on me? I could argue that it has a positive benefit to the nation. From: Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple I don't think that's the

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

I don't think that's the case do you really see the FBI turning the phone over to Apple? What happens if Apple comes back a week later and says "oops, sorry... we nuked it". The FBI wants Apple to write a new IOS version that will not erase the phone after 10 attempts at the login code.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

They do not need to unlock the phone. They just need to remove the memory, and let the NSA have its way with the contents. next? bp On 2/19/2016 3:02 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Encryption used to be regulated like weapons. Not sure if it still is, but back when

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

Pretty sure they could probe the flash if they had to. From: Bill Prince Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:06 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple That's why all the back doors to Huawei equipment are secret. Realistically, Apple shouldn't need to do anything. Let the battery

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

I have been compelled to create interrogatory and other data many times. From: Bruce Robertson Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple That's my understanding as well. Further, for the iPhone 5S and later, it has nothing to do with source code

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

That's why all the back doors to Huawei equipment are secret. Realistically, Apple shouldn't need to do anything. Let the battery run down, and remove the storage chip(s). Give the storage chip(s) to the NSA, and let them hack away at it. Depending on how important it is (or isn't), and how

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

That's my understanding as well. Further, for the iPhone 5S and later, it has nothing to do with source code and compilers, as the security is apparently built directly into the hardware. (To be fair, apparently the phone in question is a 5C, and does not have the hardware security. That

Re: [AFMUG] Resurgence of 900

I still remind you i doubt we would have a business if not for 900 mhz - Original Message - From: Jay Weekley To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Resurgence of 900 I'm amazed someone said they still love using 900 MHz. Adam

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

That is what I read as well. Same as when the "touchscreen fingerprint id" started failing if it was not apple genuine and i don't even have an iphoneor an apple anything, really - Original Message - From: Joe Falaschi To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

I didn’t think the deadline had arrived yet, and that the next step would be for Apple to present their arguments to the court. Also I thought it was an older iPhone and what the govt wanted was for Apple to bypass the time delay between PIN tries and bricking the phone after 10 wrong tries,

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

Interesting reading. And a very real dilemma. I'm still reading everyones comments. - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple But it has been done thousands of times. FBI and NSA

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

The better question is the NSA so inept that their job that they can’t break into the phone themselves? Or do they just not want the world to know they can? Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite Social:

Re: [AFMUG] Scooby Doo Mystery Short Circuit

Yep -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 4:40 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scooby Doo Mystery Short Circuit As someone mentioned, 200SS is a DC protector, you are thinking of 300SS. -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

The technically-minded articles I've read pretty much agree with this, and then some. The FBI wants them to develop a *special release* of iOS which will allow the government to bypass the security on a phone. This isn't a 'here apple, get us the data off of the phone' thing. This is a 'you

Re: [AFMUG] Scooby Doo Mystery Short Circuit

As someone mentioned, 200SS is a DC protector, you are thinking of 300SS. -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 4:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scooby Doo Mystery Short Circuit The reason I got into the surge suppressor business in the

Re: [AFMUG] FS: Planet Industrial Switch

Was mode of sfp and cable matched correctly ? On 2/19/2016 4:52 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: Tried two different SFPs with the same results. On Friday, February 19, 2016, Josh Reynolds > wrote: Sure it wasn't the SFPs? On Feb 19, 2016

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

Every decent code writer at Apple that has access to the source code and a compiler has the tools to do this at will. With or without the knowledge or approval of Apple. Again, can someone give me an example of things I need to encrypt so securely that the NSA should not have access?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

My understanding--and Apple's representation--is that no one at Apple actually has the tools to do this. If they develop that ability in house then a human or humans then have those tools. This is then a de facto compromise of the security, humans being notoriously susceptible to corruption.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

Imagine being caught with an Enigma Machine during WWII? Especially if you were a known communist. Do you think that would have played? Oh, I am just encrypting my data... how dare you challenge me... No, you would have gone to jail and possibly have been hanged. We never had these

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

I haven't been paying close attention to this but I thought I saw one TV report that said earlier versions of iOS could simply be unlocked. Supposedly Apple has unlocked previous unencrypted phones. That all changed with iOS 9 though because of encryption and that there is no simple unlock

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

I can't, even hypothetically, have a conversation about ANY government acting reasonably. Have you paid any attention over the past 16 years, especially since 9/11? It's a sociopathic fantasy. Orwell's worst nightmare. On Feb 19, 2016 5:10 PM, wrote: > But it has been done

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

How about so they can find everything these people were hiding, doing and plotting, and everyone they were talking to. Then maybe more service members won't have to be sent to fight? How is that ungood? This is nothing more than Apple publicity and it's disgusting. On 2/19/2016 5:09 PM, Josh

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

Right, this isn't like they're asking for a backdoor so they can access any iPhone remotely at any time... they have to physically have the device for it to be of any use, which is something they've been doing for a long, long time... and they probably will figure out how to do again without

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

But it has been done thousands of times. FBI and NSA have been cracking for years. Just much more difficult these days. Seriously, what is the problem with our nation state being able to crack encrypted data? (Again presuming they have our best interests at heart and can be trusted, this

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

I really think the only reason Apple is refusing is for publicity... if I understand it right, what they are actually being asked for, doesn't sound like that big of a deal as - as far as an actual security concern. So... do I think Apple should do it? Yes. Do I think Apple should be forced to do

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

As a proud US service member who handed the government a check with the numerical value "my life" on it before going in to combat, maybe it's time for me to find a new country. This one has become so brainwashed by fear that it's willing to throw liberties away at the drop of a hat. Have been

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

Would Still have to have the physical device, and 30 seconds and a sledgehammer help with that. On 2/19/2016 5:08 PM, Christopher Tyler wrote: Problem is that once you do it. It's done and they can do it again, and again. If you think it will only ever get used on this ONE phone then you are

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

They've done it before...why is this time different? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/apple-unlocked-70-iphones-refusal-article-1.2536178 On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Christopher Tyler wrote: > Problem is that once you do it. It's done and they can do it

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

Problem is that once you do it. It's done and they can do it again, and again. If you think it will only ever get used on this ONE phone then you are delusional. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From:

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

Isn't the Iphone is From China? Obama could just pickup the phone and call President Jinping and say, "Hey, you guys built this, and our US company isn't helping us out. How about finding a nice engineer over at the plant to unlock it for us." I bet they'd do it in a heartbeat. On

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

If Jihadi John had shot up Apple HQ, I don’t think we would be having this discussion. From: George Skorup Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 4:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple As I understand it, that is exactly what the gov is asking them for. FBI wants Apple to decrypt

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

As I understand it, that is exactly what the gov is asking them for. FBI wants Apple to decrypt and send over the data. Nothing more. No "software on every phone" to do this. Just that ONE phone. Get the data, then incinerate the device. On 2/19/2016 4:59 PM, Nate Burke wrote: But they're not

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

If they make an exception for this government they will make it for others and it will be "super fucking awesome" when each nation has their own method to breach devices. I'm sure Apple and Google (phone division) wouldn't mind packing up shop and telling the UG Govt to get fucked so they could

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

From: Tushar Patel Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 3:53 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple You must be bored and wanted to have some lively discussion? Tushar On Feb 19, 2016, at 4:44 PM, wrote: Treason?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

Encryption used to be regulated like weapons. Not sure if it still is, but back when I was stuff with cylink, there was a whole laundry list of countries we could not ship to. Codes and cyphers have always been the domain of the state way way back in recorded history. And Apple has been

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

Yup. Google agrees as well. On Feb 19, 2016 4:52 PM, "Sam Lambie" wrote: > Screw the govt. Apple is doing entirely doing the right thing. > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Nate Burke wrote: > >> My Boss and I just had a discussion about this, he

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

This is a tipping point. If they do it here, they do it everywhere. Any time any government has been given power it has never used it responsibly. Saying "no" to this is treason? That term is thrown around WAY too much any more, and should only be used in very clear cut situations with evidence

[AFMUG] 450i 5.1 and 5.2 non overlapping channels?

Is there any documentation or list knowledge on how big each frequency is? Just wondering if it is worth it to go to the 450i and the ridiculously expensive SM's. We are running out of spectrum in 5.4 and 5.8 though. -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

You must be bored and wanted to have some lively discussion? Tushar > On Feb 19, 2016, at 4:44 PM, wrote: > > Treason?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

Screw the govt. Apple is doing entirely doing the right thing. On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Nate Burke wrote: > My Boss and I just had a discussion about this, he think that Cook should > be in Jail for failing to comply with the order.� > > On 2/19/2016 4:46 PM, Josh

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

If the Chinese government had a known back door into all huawei or leveno products would you ever buy anything from them??? 2 cents -Sean On Friday, February 19, 2016, wrote: > Treason? >

Re: [AFMUG] FS: Planet Industrial Switch

Tried two different SFPs with the same results. On Friday, February 19, 2016, Josh Reynolds wrote: > Sure it wasn't the SFPs? > On Feb 19, 2016 4:35 PM, "Jason McKemie" >

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

My Boss and I just had a discussion about this, he think that Cook should be in Jail for failing to comply with the order. On 2/19/2016 4:46 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: ... What? Seriously? On Feb 19, 2016 4:44 PM, > wrote: Treason?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Apple

... What? Seriously? On Feb 19, 2016 4:44 PM, wrote: > Treason? >

[AFMUG] OT Apple

Treason?

Re: [AFMUG] HAMSs and Internet

Back in my college days, I was the president of the college ham station. W7OHR. We did lots of things in conjunction with campus police and local search and rescue. 4th of July parade we helped with the pacing if the floats etc. We also passed traffic to and from folks involved in the

Re: [AFMUG] FS: Planet Industrial Switch

Sure it wasn't the SFPs? On Feb 19, 2016 4:35 PM, "Jason McKemie" wrote: > It didn't play nice with a mikrotik at the other end of a fiber link. > > On Friday, February 19, 2016, Josh Reynolds wrote: > >> Did you not like it? >> On Feb 19,

Re: [AFMUG] Scooby Doo Mystery Short Circuit

The reason I got into the surge suppressor business in the first place was due to the design of that 200SS surge suppressor. Hence, my first product was the 333SS... -Original Message- From: George Skorup Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 12:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

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