I appear to be wrong about the aether, according to a physicist
friend of mine, and the lastest physics:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aether_theories
Apparently the Michaelson-Morley experiment has been explained away,
and, together with the discovery of dark energy and matter,
the theory of
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:06 AM, socra...@bezeqint.net
socra...@bezeqint.net wrote:
Can we say that physical particles are often localised volumes
that are full of infinities of discrete number relations
Sounds to much physicalist for me (or comp).
--
Particles in the vacuum (
soc,
that truth referring to what Bruno said. may or may not be true.
You did not read the thread.
Richard
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:00 AM, socra...@bezeqint.net
socra...@bezeqint.net wrote:
Agreed, and I hope that truth is true .
Richard
Truth is true !!!
/ Richard /
Very good proof. .
Hi Bruno Marchal
Sheldrake's morphisms might be thought of as life fields.
But I don't think fields themselves are physical, rather they are
monadic, descriptions of physical things.
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
1/10/2013
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -
Hi Bruno Marchal
The how do ideas form, and what are they ?
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
1/10/2013
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen
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Hi Bruno Marchal
Platonism is not at least overtly Berkeley's idealism, but is idealism at least
of the type described below.
idealism
noun \i-'de-(?-)?liz-?m, 'i-(?)de-\
Definition of IDEALISM
1
a (1) : a theory that ultimate reality lies in a realm transcending phenomena
(2) : a
Hi Bruno Marchal
Could the incompleteness theorem simply be an artifact of
wrong-headedly trying to reach the necessary from the realm of contingency ?
That is, trying synthesize a system, whereas it is actually already complete
if deduced analytically ?
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
Hi Bruno Marchal
Could it be -- borrowing from Leibniz's Theodicy-- that in Heaven,
all of the forms are perfect, as, say, prisms in a display cabinet,
but when you spill the cabinet and try to fit the perfect prisms
back together down here on the floor (in this contingent world),
there are
Hi Bruno Marchal
Atheists are those that refuse to worship the false gods they invent.
They look for truth and untruth from the logic of analogies
instead of seeking the Living God of the Bible, who isn't an analogy.
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
1/10/2013
Forever is a long time,
Hi socra...@bezeqint.net
Somebody once said that beauty is the discovery of unity in variety.
That's also what happens in perception.
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
1/10/2013
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen
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Hi Bruno Marchal
Spacetime is physical, but space is not and time is not.
That is, according to Descartes, Kant, Leibniz, and Einstein.
That's why I find it hard to accept the revisionist view
that the former interpretation of the M-M experiment,
that there is no aether, is now obsolete.
Hi meekerdb
Coincidence with Newton's laws proves, to me at least, that the earth orbits
the sun
rather than the inverse. There's too much mass on the sun to have it orbit the
earth.
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
1/10/2013
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -
Hi Richard Ruquist
Sounds a little fantastic to me, but what do I know ?
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
1/10/2013
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen
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Hi Bruno Marchal
Complexity can't (or at least need not) be a feature of Platonism,
since all of those equations have already been solved or resolved from above.
Complexity is simply an artifact produced by building up from below, without
a clue as to what is present above (what is true)
Since there has been some discussion of Plato and Leibniz,
who are both IMHO Idealists, but of different forms,
and since I have argued much against materialism, which
is inverse to Idealism, I thought the following
might be helpful:
Idealism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
On Jan 10, 12:12 pm, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote:
Particles in the vacuum ( T=0K ) have no volumes
( according to the laws of thermodynamics )
Wrong
According to Charle’s law and the consequence of the
third law of thermodynamics as the thermodynamic temperature
of a
It would say that they worship, and worship very hard. But his worship does
adopt different forms. All of them primitive, since their impulses are not
moderated by an assumption of tradition, so they lack the knowledge of best
practices due to previous failures. It is necessary to take into
I meant:
That´s why PROTECTION FROM bloody offenses demand blood as sacrifice
2013/1/10 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com
That´s why bloody offenses demand blood as sacrifice
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On 09 Jan 2013, at 18:56, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
On 09 Jan 2013, at 16:17, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
On 09 Jan 2013, at 12:35, Richard Ruquist
On 09 Jan 2013, at 19:37, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 7:18 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net
wrote:
I sense God's presence.
That's nice, but how do you know (and more important how do we know)
if you are sensing a omnipotent being who created the universe or if
you are
On 09 Jan 2013, at 20:02, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/1/9 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
On 09 Jan 2013, at 12:10, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Hi,
let us start with the proposed QS experiment by Tegmark,
I publish this before. It made some physicists rather nervous
against me, so that I
On 09 Jan 2013, at 20:56, David Nyman wrote:
On 9 January 2013 18:17, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
David Nyman's heuristic makes me think that they could be zombie,
but I am not sure this can work with comp.
Don't forget that we are speaking only of a heuristic, or guide for
2013/1/10 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
On 09 Jan 2013, at 20:02, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/1/9 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
On 09 Jan 2013, at 12:10, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Hi,
let us start with the proposed QS experiment by Tegmark,
I publish this before. It made some
On 09 Jan 2013, at 20:17, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/9/2013 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Jan 2013, at 01:01, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/8/2013 12:25 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Le me add some meat here
Nah. It's just your wishful thinking that everybody has to
believe in God.
All
On 09 Jan 2013, at 21:55, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/9/2013 7:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Jan 2013, at 12:35, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 5:09 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
On 08 Jan 2013, at 15:59, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
Whoever invented
The problem, in my view, is the term physical.
*http://www.thefreedictionary.com/physical*
1.* a. * Of or relating to the body as distinguished from the mind or
spirit. See Synonyms at bodily http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bodily.
* b. * Involving or characterized by vigorous bodily
On 09 Jan 2013, at 22:03, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/9/2013 7:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Jan 2013, at 13:18, Roger Clough wrote:
According to Plato, all love, all truth, and all beauty comes from
the One
(ie God). That being the case, when I experience love, truth or
beauty, I
On 10 January 2013 15:31, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
*I am still not sure this does not simply add a layer of difficulty,
because it is not clear (to me) what can possibly be such a sampling.*
Well, as I've said, there need be no mystery about it - it's just a way of
examining
Well Roger,
Think of the number infinities that Bruno is always referencing to.
Think of the number infinities in terms of a
static MWI deterministic Block Universe BU.
The number infinities exist in the monad relationships
at various levels and places in monad space, the Mind space of the BU
On 10 Jan 2013, at 13:07, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
Sheldrake's morphisms might be thought of as life fields.
What is that supposed to explain?
But I don't think fields themselves are physical, rather they are
monadic, descriptions of physical things.
I am not sure that I
On 10 Jan 2013, at 13:08, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
The how do ideas form, and what are they ?
They are intensional numbers, or if you prefer, programs, or
generalization about programs, or about generalizations on
generalizations on programs, etc, made by programs.
(I
On 10 Jan 2013, at 13:13, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
Platonism is not at least overtly Berkeley's idealism, but is
idealism at least of the type described below.
OK. That was my point. With comp we get a pythagorean sort of
immaterialist theory. Like in Plotinus, both matter
On 10 Jan 2013, at 13:30, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
Could the incompleteness theorem simply be an artifact of
wrong-headedly trying to reach the necessary from the realm of
contingency ?
It is as much an artifact than the fact that there is an infinity of
primes. Gödel's
Davies defines a threshold for consciousness
based on biological and/or BEC complexity
exceeding the comp capacity
of the universe:
10^120 bits.
http://arxiv.org/ftp/quant-ph/papers/0703/0703041.pdf
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
wiki- Charles' law (also known as the law of volumes) is an
experimental gas law which describes how gases tend to expand when
heated.
Richard- Thermodynamics of gases breaks down near absolute where most
materials have already changed phase to liquid (usually BEC) or solid.
Charles Law is
On 10 Jan 2013, at 13:46, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
Could it be -- borrowing from Leibniz's Theodicy-- that in Heaven,
all of the forms are perfect,
Like perfect crime. You can say that with perfect means definitely
true or false.
as, say, prisms in a display cabinet,
but
On Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:47:26 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote:
But in the end the magic of consciousness
requires a 1p leap of faith.
And vice versa.That's because they are the same thing. Consciousness is
literally a leap across mechanism, computation, and physics. That is what
free
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote:
Well Roger,
Think of the number infinities that Bruno is always referencing to.
Think of the number infinities in terms of a
static MWI deterministic Block Universe BU.
The number infinities exist in the monad
On 10 Jan 2013, at 13:52, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
Atheists are those that refuse to worship the false gods they invent.
OK.
They look for truth and untruth from the logic of analogies
instead of seeking the Living God of the Bible, who isn't an analogy.
Here I can't follow
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:47:26 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote:
But in the end the magic of consciousness
requires a 1p leap of faith.
And vice versa.That's because they are the same thing. Consciousness is
On 10 Jan 2013, at 14:10, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
Spacetime is physical, but space is not and time is not.
That is, according to Descartes, Kant, Leibniz, and Einstein.
That's why I find it hard to accept the revisionist view
that the former interpretation of the M-M experiment,
On Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:42:06 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote:
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
On Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:47:26 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote:
But in the end the magic of consciousness
requires a
On 1/10/2013 6:20 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
I have never understood what it means to be atheist. Sometimes it appears to mean
existentialist not Christian god, another appearance is not organized religion,
which both appear reasonable.
Intuitively however, I've always asked myself:
On 1/10/2013 7:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Jan 2013, at 19:37, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 7:18 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net
mailto:rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
I sense God's presence.
That's nice, but how do you know (and more important how do we know) if
On 1/10/2013 7:37 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
No, I say it can no more happen in collapse theory without *a very good* explanation
principle. I'm sorry but if the theory predict it happens with a 1/10⁹ probability of
occurence and every time you test it, it happens... I'd say your prior
On 10 Jan 2013, at 14:48, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
Complexity can't (or at least need not) be a feature of Platonism,
since all of those equations have already been solved or resolved
from above.
In the outer-god eyes. Perhaps. That makes neoplatonist sense. For God
things
Yes but in QM + collapse it is a potentiality which happen according to the
probability in mwi it is a proportion, it always happen. If the event
always happen your prior probability calculus is severly broken. Mwi is
saved because in mwi probability are not about happening but are
proportions in
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Atheists are those that refuse to worship the false gods they invent.
They look for truth and untruth from the logic of analogies instead of
seeking the Living God of the Bible,
Atheists are those that refuse to worship
On 1/10/2013 8:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Jan 2013, at 20:17, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/9/2013 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Jan 2013, at 01:01, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/8/2013 12:25 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Le me add some meat here
Nah. It's just your wishful thinking that
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:42:06 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote:
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:47:26 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote:
On 1/10/2013 8:10 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Jan 2013, at 22:03, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/9/2013 7:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Jan 2013, at 13:18, Roger Clough wrote:
According to Plato, all love, all truth, and all beauty comes from the One
(ie God). That being the case, when I
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 7:27 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/10/2013 6:20 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
I have never understood what it means to be atheist. Sometimes it appears
to mean existentialist not Christian god, another appearance is not
organized religion, which
On 10 Jan 2013, at 17:27, David Nyman wrote:
On 10 January 2013 15:31, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
I am still not sure this does not simply add a layer of difficulty,
because it is not clear (to me) what can possibly be such a sampling.
Well, as I've said, there need be no
You can as well say collapse is saved because P=10^-6 0 and so probability calculus is
working just fine. Collapse and MWI use the same probability calculus.
Brent
On 1/10/2013 10:42 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Yes but in QM + collapse it is a potentiality which happen according to the
2013/1/10 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
You can as well say collapse is saved because P=10^-6 0 and so
probability calculus is working just fine. Collapse and MWI use the same
probability calculus.
And I repeat again, in MWI probability ***is not*** about happening, in
QM+collapse ***it
On 1/10/2013 11:37 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
It's not working just fine if *repeated* occurence of such *extremelly low probability*
occurs.
But that's exactly what happens in you hypothetical MWI example.
If you say it's fine, then you're simply saying probability is meaningless. I wonder
On 10 Jan 2013, at 16:37, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/1/10 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
On 09 Jan 2013, at 20:02, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/1/9 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
On 09 Jan 2013, at 12:10, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Hi,
let us start with the proposed QS experiment by
On 1/10/2013 11:39 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/1/10 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
You can as well say collapse is saved because P=10^-6 0 and so probability
calculus is working just fine. Collapse and MWI use the same probability
calculus.
And I
On Thursday, January 10, 2013 5:06:25 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
I appear to be wrong about the aether, according to a physicist
friend of mine, and the lastest physics:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aether_theories
Apparently the Michaelson-Morley experiment has been explained
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, January 10, 2013 2:08:35 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote:
Only the 1p perspective is dynamic
or causes dynamicism- changes in the Block Universe.
I should have mentioned that the Mind is a block universe
Perhaps the Quantum Suicide experiment has already been performed and on a
global scale. After Hugh Everett developed the many Worlds interpretation
in his doctoral dissertation he was disappointed at the poor reception it
received and never published anything on quantum mechanics again for the
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:41 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/10/2013 11:31 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 7:27 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/10/2013 6:20 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
I have never understood what it means
Perhaps we must worship Everett. Maybe he is with Einstein in a
superdimensional throne of quarks. Aleluya.
2013/1/10 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com
Perhaps the Quantum Suicide experiment has already been performed and on a
global scale. After Hugh Everett developed the many Worlds
Hi Craig,
I tend to agree with what you say (or what I understand of it). Despite my
belief that it is possible to extract memories (or their 3p shadows) from a
brain, I do not believe in the neuroscience hypothesis that consciousness
emerges from brain activity. I'm not sure I believe that there
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 09 Jan 2013, at 17:03, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 09 Jan 2013, at 13:26, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Where does hate, falsehood and ugliness come
On 1/10/2013 12:43 PM, John Clark wrote:
Perhaps the Quantum Suicide experiment has already been performed and on a global scale.
After Hugh Everett developed the many Worlds interpretation in his doctoral dissertation
he was disappointed at the poor reception it received and never published
On 1/10/2013 1:36 PM, John Mikes wrote:
Stathis:
you MUST know betterI suppose.
You wrote in the Lem-story about the first straight Polish to English
translation: //
/_allowing English-speaking readers to finally experience the book as its
author intended._/
You may be bilingual (at
On 1/10/2013 1:58 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Hi Craig,
I tend to agree with what you say (or what I understand of it). Despite my belief that
it is possible to extract memories (or their 3p shadows) from a brain, I do not believe
in the neuroscience hypothesis that consciousness emerges from
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:15 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/10/2013 1:58 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Hi Craig,
I tend to agree with what you say (or what I understand of it). Despite
my belief that it is possible to extract memories (or their 3p shadows)
from a brain, I do
On 1/10/2013 2:28 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:15 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/10/2013 1:58 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Hi Craig,
I tend to agree with what you say (or what I understand of it). Despite my
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 12:01 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/10/2013 2:28 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:15 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/10/2013 1:58 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Hi Craig,
I tend to agree with what you say (or what I
On 1/10/2013 3:15 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 12:01 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/10/2013 2:28 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:15 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 12:58 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/10/2013 3:15 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 12:01 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/10/2013 2:28 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:15 PM, meekerdb
On 1/10/2013 4:23 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Do you think there can be something that is intelligent but not complex
(and use
whatever definitions of intelligent and complex you want).
A thermostat is much less complex than a human brain but intelligent under my
definition.
But much
On Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:58:32 PM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote:
Hi Craig,
I tend to agree with what you say (or what I understand of it). Despite my
belief that it is possible to extract memories (or their 3p shadows) from a
brain,
As long as you have another brain to experience
On Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:33:06 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 1/10/2013 4:23 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Do you think there can be something that is intelligent but not complex
(and use whatever definitions of intelligent and complex you want).
A thermostat is much less complex
On 1/10/2013 9:20 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:33:06 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 1/10/2013 4:23 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Do you think there can be something that is intelligent but not complex
(and
use whatever definitions of intelligent and
Nobody has seen primary matter,
but the believer in it usually attribute it a fundamental role in
our existence.
===.
What is a primary matter from modern scientific point of view ?
It is 'quantum virtual particles' and ' cosmic dark mass and
energy'
The problem is that nobody
On Jan 11, 7:24 am, socra...@bezeqint.net socra...@bezeqint.net
wrote:
Nobody has seen primary matter,
but the believer in it usually attribute it a fundamental role in
our existence.
===.
What is a primary matter from modern scientific point of view ?
It is 'quantum virtual
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