Re: Graham Hancock on The Plant Teachers (Banned TED Talk)

2014-04-16 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 11:42 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 4/15/2014 1:41 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:44 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 4/15/2014 4:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> An interesting related hypothes

Re: Graham Hancock on The Plant Teachers (Banned TED Talk)

2014-04-16 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 15 Apr 2014, at 22:41, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:44 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 4/15/2014 4:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> An interesting related hypot

Re: Graham Hancock on The Plant Teachers (Banned TED Talk)

2014-04-17 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 16 Apr 2014, at 13:49, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 15 Apr 2014, at 22:41, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >>

Time's Arrow Traced to Quantum Source

2014-04-17 Thread Telmo Menezes
https://www.simonsfoundation.org/quanta/20140416-times-arrow-traced-to-quantum-source/ I like the idea, but am two naive in theoretical physics to have an informed opinion. Would more knowledgable people care to comment? At first sight, this seems very much inline with Bruno's ideas. Best, Telmo

Re: Time's Arrow Traced to Quantum Source

2014-04-17 Thread Telmo Menezes
to support the entanglement story, > which apparently there is not. So I suggest that entanglement is just an > alternative or more detailed explanation of classical thermodynamics. > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 5:52 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> >> https://www.simonsfo

Re: Graham Hancock on The Plant Teachers (Banned TED Talk)

2014-04-17 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Kim Jones wrote: > The thing that was "conceived" was the enterprise that became Apple > computer. What was brought into being, possibly with the aid of some > substance, was the synergistic union of the existing technologies into a > concept that allowed them all

Re: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.

2014-04-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 3:36 PM, wrote: > > On Friday, April 18, 2014 1:36:43 PM UTC+1, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: >> >> The "causes schizophrenia" is correlation based conjecture. >> > > I think you are probably contextualizing this matter wrong. It isn't a > matter fundamental causation. Th

Re: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.

2014-04-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 6:20 PM, wrote: > > On Friday, April 18, 2014 3:13:01 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 3:36 PM, wrote: >> >>> >>> On Friday, April 18, 2014 1:36:43 PM UTC+1, Platonist Guitar Cowboy >>> wrote: The "causes schizophrenia" is cor

Re: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.

2014-04-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 12:52 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 4/18/2014 7:13 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > What society thinks has nothing to do with it, because weak > correlation-based scientific evidence is used selectively to create laws > that were desired a priori by some interest

Re: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.

2014-04-20 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 19 Apr 2014, at 20:48, meekerdb wrote: > > On 4/19/2014 12:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 19 Apr 2014, at 00:52, meekerdb wrote: > > On 4/18/2014 7:13 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > What society

Re: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.

2014-04-20 Thread Telmo Menezes
Since the list is in a proselytizing mood -- I guess it's appropriate for the season -- I leave you my favourite religious book. "Principia Discordia" or "How I found Goddess and What I did to Her when I found Her" http://www.principiadiscordia.com/downloads/Principia%20Discordia.pdf (the good

Re: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.

2014-04-21 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 5:26 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 4/20/2014 2:27 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 19 Apr 2014, at 20:50, meekerdb wrote: > > On 4/19/2014 12:37 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > Then, the cultivation of industrial help -- which is not psychoactive --

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Liz, The "billions" make sense to me, to be honest. Even before the earth, we still didn't exist. It sounds like poetic liberty for "a mind blowing amount of time". Cheers Telmo. On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 4:23 AM, LizR wrote: > I was just a bit surprised at his use of "billions" rather than

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:03 AM, Pierz wrote: > Just came across this presentation: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEaecUuEqfc > > It's a bit long, but I'd be interested to hear anyone's thoughts who is > knowledgeable on QM. I don't follow the maths, but I kind of got the gist. > What intrigu

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 1:16 PM, LizR wrote: > Oh, and to really stick my neck out, I think the phrase "billions and > billions" became a cliché through Carl Sagan using it in the TV programme > "Cosmos" so I suspect (but have zero proof) that this quote is attributed > to Sam Clemens but is in f

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 1:19 PM, LizR wrote: > Actually Sagan may not have used the phrase "billions and billions" but it > (too?) may have been a misquote that came to be associated with him (like > "play it again, Sam" and "beam me up, Scotty!") > Oops, sorry for stepping on your toes :) I did

Re: Microbes do combinatorial communication

2014-04-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > Just to contain the enthusiasm within rational levels: > > There is no comunism neither comunitarism at all. It is a fight > between groups of clones that try to exploit one another (see below). > The clones are comunists (because are clo

Re: Microbes do combinatorial communication

2014-04-26 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 25 Apr 2014, at 10:13, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > >> Just to contain the enthusiasm within rational levels: >> >> There is no com

The Evolutionary Tree of Religion

2014-04-26 Thread Telmo Menezes
http://infinitemachine.tumblr.com/image/83867790181 A nice weekend to everyone! Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsub

Re: The Evolutionary Tree of Religion

2014-04-26 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 6:38 PM, 'Chris de Morsella ' via Everything List wrote: > > > *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: > everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Telmo Menezes > > > > http://infinitemachine.tumblr.com/image/83867790181

Re: The Evolutionary Tree of Religion

2014-04-26 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 8:20 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 26 Apr 2014, at 19:23, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 6:38 PM, 'Chris de Morsella ' > via Everything List wrote: > >> >> >> *From:* everything-list@google

Re: The Evolutionary Tree of Religion

2014-04-26 Thread Telmo Menezes
lical?) gods carry those human deficiencies, like a need to be adored, > obeyed, confessed-to, irritability, wrath, and so on and on? If the > Creator(?) knows everything, why are we, creatures, required to evolve and > 'get better'? Why "sin"? Why hell? Who made Sata

Re: The Evolutionary Tree of Religion

2014-04-26 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 1:07 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 4/26/2014 1:43 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > >> Nice to see buddhism and taoism there, but where is (strong) >> atheism/materialism? Hmm :) >> > > The graph says v1.1, so maybe you can issue a bug report :) > Where would you say it b

Re: The Evolutionary Tree of Religion

2014-04-27 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 26 Apr 2014, at 21:15, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 8:20 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 26 Apr 2014, at 19:23, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> >

Re: The Evolutionary Tree of Religion

2014-04-27 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 5:17 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 4/26/2014 4:25 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 1:07 AM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 4/26/2014 1:43 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> >> >>> Nice to see

Re: The Evolutionary Tree of Religion

2014-04-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 10:48 PM, wrote: > > On Sunday, April 27, 2014 10:12:34 AM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> >>> On 26 Apr 2014, at 21:15, Telmo Meneze

Re: The Evolutionary Tree of Religion

2014-04-29 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 2:48 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 4/28/2014 3:32 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 10:48 PM, wrote: > >> >> On Sunday, April 27, 2014 10:12:34 AM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: >>> >>> >>> &g

Re: Consciousness: Emotions & Feelings

2014-04-29 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: > An interesting conversation: > http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/feeling-our-emotions/?page=1 > Bruno, can this be developed in a machine? > Samiya > > *MIND*: Do you believe that we will someday be able to create artificial > consci

Re: Evolution from Scripture

2014-05-02 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Kim Jones wrote: > > > On 2 May 2014, at 6:05 pm, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > > On 02-May-2014, at 11:03 am, meekerdb wrote: > > On 5/1/2014 9:08 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: > > Proof is the domain of science. Scripture guides the way for those who > believe. For tho

Re: Evolution from Scripture

2014-05-03 Thread Telmo Menezes
gious feelings come from contemplating how much we don't know, bad ones come from pretending we know what we don't. Cheers, Telmo. > > > On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Kim Jones

Re: Evolution from Scripture

2014-05-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 7:15 AM, wrote: > > On Sunday, May 4, 2014 12:14:59 AM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: > >> On 4 May 2014 07:22, spudboy100 via Everything List < >> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >>> I shan't defend the behaviors of the Abe religions over the centuries, >>> but you couldn't te

saying no to the doctor...

2014-05-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
The machine: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/1 Bad news from the doctor: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/11 Turing test: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/15 Cheers, Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscr

Re: Evolution from Scripture

2014-05-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi ghibbsa, On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 3:24 PM, wrote: > > On Sunday, May 4, 2014 12:09:10 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 7:15 AM, wrote: >> >>> >>> On Sunday, May 4, 2014 12:14:59 AM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: >>> On 4 May 2014 07:22, spudboy100 via Everything L

Re: saying no to the doctor...

2014-05-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 6:48 PM, wrote: > > On Sunday, May 4, 2014 1:43:12 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: >> >> The machine: >> http://existentialcomics.com/comic/1 >> >> Bad news from the doctor: >> http://existentialcomics.com/comic/11 >> >> Turing test: >> http://existentialcomics.com/comic/15

Re: Evolution from Scripture

2014-05-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 9:17 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 04 May 2014, at 01:14, LizR wrote: > > On 4 May 2014 07:22, spudboy100 via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> I shan't defend the behaviors of the Abe religions over the centuries, >> but you couldn't term

Re: Evolution from Scripture

2014-05-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 11:46 PM, LizR wrote: > On 5 May 2014 07:38, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> Yes, and this already happened. I would add that capitalism is not >> catching up with anything because it doesn't even exist at the moment. The >> money supply itself is

Re: Evolution from Scripture

2014-05-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:48 AM, LizR wrote: > On 5 May 2014 13:57, meekerdb wrote: > >> It creates a parallel medium of exchange in which those who make >> bitcoins first hope to profit from their appreciation. >> > > Hm. It all sounds a bit Ponzi-like to me. > If you go by that definition alo

Re: Evolution from Scripture

2014-05-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > 2014-05-05 10:30 GMT+02:00 Telmo Menezes : > > >> >> >> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:48 AM, LizR wrote: >> >>> On 5 May 2014 13:57, meekerdb wrote: >>> >>&g

Re: saying no to the doctor...

2014-05-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
ts experience are null, so it's if it was. I don't see consciousness as inherent to human beings. I am fully convinced that higher animal, at least, are conscious just like us. Telmo. > > > On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> >> >> &

Re: saying no to the doctor...

2014-05-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 04 May 2014, at 21:18, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 6:48 PM, wrote: > >> >> On Sunday, May 4, 2014 1:43:12 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: >>> >>>

Re: saying no to the doctor...

2014-05-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 04 May 2014, at 14:43, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > The machine: > http://existentialcomics.com/comic/1 > > Bad news from the doctor: > http://existentialcomics.com/comic/11 > > Turing test: > http

Re: The British Comedian's Joke

2014-05-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:49 AM, wrote: > The late Bob Monkhouse was way before my time and never trendy. But aft er > he died they looked at his jokes, which were just simple and so funny they > decided he was a genius. Here is one of his jokes that makes me laugh every > time: He's a stand up co

Re: Evolution from Scripture

2014-05-06 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 11:48 PM, LizR wrote: > On 5 May 2014 20:19, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 11:46 PM, LizR wrote: >> >>> On 5 May 2014 07:38, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, and this already happened. I would

Re: The British Comedian's Joke

2014-05-06 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 12:45 AM, Russell Standish wrote: > On Mon, May 05, 2014 at 01:09:47PM +0200, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:49 AM, wrote: > > > > > The late Bob Monkhouse was way before my time and never trendy. But > aft er > > &

Re: UDA video (was Re: saying no to the doctor...)

2014-05-06 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 05 May 2014, at 13:07, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 04 May 2014, at 14:43, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> The machine: >&g

Re: God is an atheist!

2014-05-08 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > Any theory that stand over non intelligent axioms has to accept an > infinity of multiverses, That may be refined, taking into account > information=0 etc, but I will not go further on that. > I would say that the anthropic principle all

Re: God is an atheist!

2014-05-08 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Thursday, May 8, 2014 9:40:58 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: >> >> >>> In this -single universe- context, the fine tuning of the physical >>> constants are miracles

Re: God is an atheist!

2014-05-09 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 7:03 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Thursday, May 8, 2014 11:45:32 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, May 8, 2014 9:40:58 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: >>> On

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, LizR wrote: > On 10 May 2014 17:30, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > >> >> >> On Saturday, May 10, 2014, LizR wrote: >> >>> I guess one could start from "is physics computable?" (As Max Tegmark >>> discusses in his book, but I haven't yet read what his conclusions a

Re: An interview based on Christopher Hitchen's book (parts 1 and 2)

2014-05-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
Nice. I am not a Marxist but I respect intellectually honest Marxists. He show intellectual honesty many times, for example when he states that the anti-globalist movement is conservative. On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 9:59 AM, LizR wrote: > Jeremy Paxman talking to Christopher Hitchens on "Newsnight

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM, LizR wrote: > On 10 May 2014 22:12, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, LizR wrote: >> >>> On 10 May 2014 17:30, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On 10 May 2014 20:12, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, LizR wrote: >> >>> On 10 May 2014 17:30, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On Saturday, May 10, 2014, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>>

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 10 May 2014, at 12:12, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, LizR wrote: > >> On 10 May 2014 17:30, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> >>> >>> >>&g

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 10:10 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: > Agree. Very odd to make the statement "Since lossy integration would > necessitate continuous damage to existing memories" appear to be so > controversial that it necessitates the move to a theory of lossless > integration. What could be more

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-14 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 12 May 2014, at 16:12, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 10 May 2014, at 12:12, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> >>

Rat Park

2014-05-14 Thread Telmo Menezes
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Re: Rat Park

2014-05-15 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 5:41 AM, Russell Standish wrote: > On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 01:51:06PM +1200, LizR wrote: > > That's odd. I found it easy to read (the size of the images adjusted to > > fill my browser window, so if it was too small I could expand the window) > > and my mouse wheel scrolled

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-15 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 14 May 2014, at 09:36, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 12 May 2014, at 16:12, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> >&

Re: Rat Park

2014-05-17 Thread Telmo Menezes
com.au > kmjco...@icloud.com > Mobile: 0450 963 719 > Phone: 02 93894239 > Web: http://www.eportfolio.kmjcommp.com > > > *"Never let your schooling get in the way of your education" - Mark Twain* > > > > On 14 May 2014, at 11:22 pm, Telmo Menez

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 9:27 PM, John Ross wrote: > John Clark > > > > I plan to save your e-mails and maybe I will read some of them to the > audience if and when it turns out that I am correct and am awarded the > Nobel prize in Physics. > Glory for the winner, humiliation for the loser! This

Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 3:05 AM, LizR wrote: > On 19 May 2014 07:16, wrote: > >> Does this computer architecture assume not-comp? >> > > I don't know, but I would think not, because comp allows reality to be > digitised at any level (e.g. sub atomic) which wouldn't contradict the use > of oscill

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:06 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 5/19/2014 2:38 AM, LizR wrote: > > His main interest is the mind-body problem; and my interest in that >> problem is more from an engineering viewpoint. What does it take to make a >> conscious machine and what are the advantages or disadva

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:09 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 5/19/2014 10:24 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:06 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 5/19/2014 2:38 AM, LizR wrote: >> >> His main interest is the mind-body problem; and my interest in

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:40 PM, wrote: > > On Monday, May 19, 2014 6:24:45 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:06 PM, meekerdb wrote: >> >> On 5/19/2014 2:38 AM, LizR wrote: >> >> His main interest is the mind-body problem; and my interest in that >> problem

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 9:33 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 5/19/2014 11:31 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:09 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 5/19/2014 10:24 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:06 PM,

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-20 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:21 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 5/19/2014 4:56 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 9:33 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 5/19/2014 11:31 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 19, 201

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-20 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 5:13 AM, wrote: > > On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 12:35:47 AM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:40 PM, wrote: >> >> >> On Monday, May 19, 2014 6:24:45 PM UTC+1, telmo_menezes wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:06 PM, meekerdb wro

Re: The end to end structure associated wit Falsification

2014-05-21 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > 2014-05-21 11:08 GMT+02:00, LizR : > > On 21 May 2014 20:50, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > > > >> > >> All these fanfarres and grandiloquent terms that sanctifies the > >> holiness of science are nothing but cavemen in search for something

Re: The end to end structure associated wit Falsification

2014-05-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 1:18 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 5/21/2014 3:44 PM, LizR wrote: > >> Yes, I was indeed thinking of the superhero Bicycle Repair Man when I >> wrote that. >> >> However I'm not so keen on deifying the Wright brothers when they were >> just two in a long line of people in many

Re: The end to end structure associated wit Falsification

2014-05-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 1:18 AM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 5/21/2014 3:44 PM, LizR wrote: >> >>> Yes, I was indeed thinking of the superhero Bicycle Repair Man when I >>> wrote that. &g

Re: The end to end structure associated wit Falsification

2014-05-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 22 May 2014, at 16:39, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 1:18 AM, meekerdb wrote: >> >

Re: The end to end structure associated wit Falsification

2014-05-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 6:54 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 5/22/2014 4:56 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > "Science: the method" is all about generating hypothesis and testing > them. Generating hypothesis is a creative process, and I don't think that > acad

Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 1:15 PM, LizR wrote: > I guess it would be pedantic to point out the silliness of aliens wanting > to have sex with humans. I mean, we're more closely related to grass, > jellyfish and slugs than we are to aliens... > Makes sense, of course, but I'm not so sure. I don't t

Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-26 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 1:58 AM, Russell Standish wrote: > On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 11:12:56AM +1200, LizR wrote: > > On 25 May 2014 23:32, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 1:15 PM, LizR wrote: > > > > > >> I gu

Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-26 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 1:12 AM, LizR wrote: > On 25 May 2014 23:32, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> >> On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 1:15 PM, LizR wrote: >> >>> I guess it would be pedantic to point out the silliness of aliens >>> wanting to have sex with hum

Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-05-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 11:50 PM, LizR wrote: > On 26 May 2014 23:31, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 1:12 AM, LizR wrote: >> >>> On 25 May 2014 23:32, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 1:15

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-05-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
Ok, so let's talk some specifics. Islamists issued death sentences on people for artistic expression. Famously on Salman Rushdie for writing a book, and several people for drawing Mohammed. When I was living in Paris, the building of a small publication was bombed for publishing a drawing of Moham

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-05-29 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 5:33 AM, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > On 28-May-2014, at 10:12 pm, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > Ok, so let's talk some specifics. > > Islamists issued death sentences on people for artistic expression. > Famously on Salman Rushdie for writing a

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-05-29 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > On 29-May-2014, at 7:56 pm, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 5:33 AM, Samiya Illias > wrote: > >> >> >> On 28-May-2014, at 10:12 pm, Telmo Menezes

Re: numenta

2014-06-02 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 7:24 PM, meekerdb wrote: > http://numenta.org/ > > An organization formed by Jeff Hawkins (inventor of the Palm Pilot) to > study artificial intelligence. Hawkins idea is that lower level modules in > the brain continually try to predict what signals they will next receiv

Gödel’s Loophole

2014-06-03 Thread Telmo Menezes
The famous Gödel Loophole on the US constitution. Seems to be the usual logician "trick": apply a statement to itself :) http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2010183 Best, Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group.

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-03 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 12:47 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > No death penalties. I am not sure I agree, but if this is the goal, then > things need to be done really differently. > Hum? Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Capital_punis

Re: numenta

2014-06-03 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 02 Jun 2014, at 19:37, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 7:24 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> http://numenta.org/ >> >> An organization formed by Jeff Hawkins (inventor of the Palm Pil

Re: Gödel’s Loophole

2014-06-03 Thread Telmo Menezes
ous statement: > > "The liberal secular state lives on premises that it cannot itself > guarantee" > > That was enunciated by E.-W. Böckenförde > Ok, but why "liberal secular"? Is this not true of all states? Telmo. > > 2014-06-03 11:32 GMT+02:00, Telm

Re: Gödel’s Loophole

2014-06-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 10:23 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 6/3/2014 9:35 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > That is the great flaw of constitutional systems based on "paper" >> formulas and automatic mechanisms. >> >> without that unenforceable set of values and co

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
as been > fully achieved in most of the civilised world. > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Telmo Menezes > To: everything-list > Sent: Tue, Jun 3, 2014 6:57 am > Subject: Re: Pluto bounces back! > > > > > On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 12:47 PM, spudboy100 via

Re: Gödel’s Loophole

2014-06-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:52 PM, LizR wrote: > On 4 June 2014 22:43, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 10:23 PM, meekerdb wrote: >> >>> On 6/3/2014 9:35 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>> >>> That is the great flaw of constitution

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > Maybe it's when people post directly via googlegroups and not via their > email client ? > That would be my bet too. I get "spudboy100 via Everything List" on gmail, which probably has privileged information because it's also on Google.

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-06 Thread Telmo Menezes
its artificially to relieve > people in need, without causing further violence. The only thing preventing > us are superstitions inherited from a distant past. In 2011, Anders Breivik > sought to punish race-traitors, and the Socialist Party summer camp, > > Telmo. > > > >

Re: Gödel’s Loophole

2014-06-06 Thread Telmo Menezes
Example: how many votes did Morsi get for his 'democratic' election from >> the 35 millon srong Egyptian voter population? >> Is it a numbers' game indeed? >> John M >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 8:20 AM, meekerdb wrote: >> >>> On 6/

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-06 Thread Telmo Menezes
; will Breivik remain in jail? >> > > There is a lot to dislike about Europe, but one thing can be said for > us: we don't base our justice system on revenge anymore. The police forces > are mostly passive, they react to complains instead of looking for people > t

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-06 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 06 Jun 2014, at 13:23, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > > >> Dopamine is not justice, >> > > Sure. "Justice" is a superstition. > > > Then truth, beauty, and all protagorean vir

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-08 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 6:12 AM, LizR wrote: > On 8 June 2014 15:43, spudboy100 via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> I do know what I am criticizing, and view Marx and Engels claims in >> Manifesto, and Das Kapital as nothing more than deliberate lies to defer >> j

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-08 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 1:21 PM, LizR wrote: > On 8 June 2014 22:30, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 6:12 AM, LizR wrote: >> >>> On 8 June 2014 15:43, spudboy100 via Everything List < >>> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: >

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 08 Jun 2014, at 12:30, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 6:12 AM, LizR wrote: > >> On 8 June 2014 15:43, spudboy100 via Everything List < >> everything-list@googlegroups

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-11 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 10 Jun 2014, at 13:00, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 08 Jun 2014, at 12:30, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> >>

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-11 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 6:16 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > The dream thing is intriguing because I am sometimes fascinated by things > my visual cortex kicks out, often, before sleep comes. Ultra intricate and > non-retrievable patterns, images, so

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
> > The inconceivable freedom is in your heart, but give time to time, > You are right and I'll shut up now :) Thanks Telmo. > it is not that easy when we are two, saying nothing about three and more. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 12 Jun 2014, at 13:39, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > The inconceivable freedom is in your heart, but give time to time, >> > > You are right and I'll shut up now :) > > > Please don't shut up! >

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