Kevin Turner wrote:
>
> What is the status of the help system these days?
>
> Is there a help browser procedure which calls on extension_web_browser
> if the gtkxhtml browser is not available?
Yes, Netscape is called it no help browser is found.
> How does the help system
What is the status of the help system these days?
Is there a help browser procedure which calls on extension_web_browser
if the gtkxhtml browser is not available?
How does the help system work for 3rd party plug-ins and scripts?
Do we need a grassroots effort to fill in the help files, or do
On Sat, Nov 20, 1999 at 09:04:24PM +, "Steinar H. Gunderson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> is that you'll have to install GIMP (`make install') _before_ you can
> configure Perl-Fu, which is a bit confusing. If you do
> `configure --enable-perl', configure automatically tries to configure in
>
Hello Steinar,
On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
> >My idea is that Gimp 1.2 is delivered with all "scripts" and "filters"
> >some of them aren't installed by default (most notably "scripts" but also
> >some C plugins). They are instead installed in
> >..share/gimp/uninstalled_fil
Olof,
>My idea is that Gimp 1.2 is delivered with all "scripts" and "filters"
>some of them aren't installed by default (most notably "scripts" but also
>some C plugins). They are instead installed in
>..share/gimp/uninstalled_filters/core.
I'm afraid I don't see the purpose of all this. I think
Hello Marc (and Gimpers)
On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, Marc Lehmann wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 11:04:51PM +0100, Olof S Kylander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
> > * Make a script pkg with Script-Fu, Perl-Fu and Py-Fu scripts
>
> A small detail is unclear to me ;) Who is supposed to make that sc
Hello Sven
Nope go a head
> BTW: would someone object against getting rid of the possibility to
> disable cursor changes?? This would close a bug w/o too much hassle
> and I don't see why someone would want to disable cursor updating
> anyway...
>
>
>
> I can make some more cursors if people think this is ok to implement before
> 1.2 ?
Even if we decide that enabling zoom on middle-mouse button is not worth
the risk to put it in before 1.2, the cursors could need some work. IMHO
the selection cursors should just be the normal cursor plus the
On Fri, Nov 12, 1999 at 05:48:48PM +0100, Guillermo S. Romero / Familia Romero wrote:
> >Just an idea: middle mouse-button is panning, why not Shift-middle
> >button = Zoom Out and ctrl middle-button = zoom in. (Personally I'd
> >prefer it the opposite: Shift: Zoom In, CTRL: Zoom out, but I cannot
On 11 Nov, Marc Lehmann wrote:
> The difference (IMHO) is that a help system is an integral part of the
> gimp, just like menus, a good ui design or the tooltips are.
IMHO the best solution would be to leave everything out of GIMP that
isn't really necessary for running, inc
On Fri, Nov 12, 1999 at 08:11:15PM +0100, Olof S Kylander wrote:
[zap]
>
> File Menu Toolbox
> /File/-|
> New
> Open
>
> Acquire (We have to te
Marc Lehmann wrote:
>
> On Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 05:48:34PM +0100, Raphael Quinet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Quite right. And to paraphrase what I wrote in a previous message,
> > there is nothing wrong in having an _optional_ dependency on GNOME
...
> The diffe
On Fri, Nov 12, 1999 at 08:11:15PM +0100, Olof S Kylander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> However I'm not after a "on the fly loader". I just want a simple (i.e not
> load Gimp with bugs) way of handling/install all the scripts. Furthermore
> most users don't want all scripts. Most of the time you on
Hello Folks
I got some feedback about the "Clean up" nearly all of them well written
and with good points. I there for rewrote the main "todo" list and post
it again for confirmation/evaluation.
Here is my list of minor things to clean up and make better (Without
breaking the freeze). First th
>Just an idea: middle mouse-button is panning, why not Shift-middle
>button = Zoom Out and ctrl middle-button = zoom in. (Personally I'd
>prefer it the opposite: Shift: Zoom In, CTRL: Zoom out, but I cannot
>tell you why, it seems more logical for me...)
>Maybe using alt for allowing window resizi
Sven Neumann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Magnify:
> > zoom out
> > ---> zoom in
>
> Isn't it just always Zoom In (I mean unless is pressed of course)?
Just an idea: middle mouse-button is panning, why not Shift-middle
button = Zoom Out and ctrl middle-button
On Friday, 12 Nov 1999, Sven Neumann wrote:
> > Here is my list of minor things to clean up and make better (Without
> > breaking the freeze). First the list and then the discussion below it.
> >
>
> YES!!
I also like the new layout. It seems more consistent.
I'm not sure about leaving out a
>
> Here is my list of minor things to clean up and make better (Without
> breaking the freeze). First the list and then the discussion below it.
>
YES!!
I do especially like the new menu hierarchy you suggested. Any volunteers
for this job?
>
> PS: Sven I thin
On Thu, Nov 11, 1999 at 09:03:46PM +0100, Marc Lehmann wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 11, 1999 at 02:50:18AM +0100, David Odin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I don't think I'm alone, since nobody complain about gimp perl any more
> > these days.
>
> They don't? Then why do I get so many complaints? ;)
>
Hi,
> >>Why not allow the user to choose his/her browser of choice ?
> >>With Netscape, Mozilla, the Gnome Help Browser, kfm, or even
> >>Lynx in an xterm as possible choices, I don't see any problem with this...
> >
> >So Gimp help should be a set of HTML files and a small exec to launch the
> >
On 10 Nov, Raphael Quinet wrote:
> So please stop complaining about the help system, because that could
> backfire on Gimp-Perl quickly...
No flamewars, please. Let us concentrate on our work instead of pushing
our energies in a thread which as useless as Win 3.11 ... :))
--
On 10 Nov, Kevin Cozens wrote:
> Reading the discussions re: the help system has made me think I
> understand why compiling GIMP always broke at a point where it needed
> a GtkXmhtml header file. I use a RedHat system without Gnome installed
> and I'm beginning to understand th
>>Why not allow the user to choose his/her browser of choice ?
>>With Netscape, Mozilla, the Gnome Help Browser, kfm, or even
>>Lynx in an xterm as possible choices, I don't see any problem with this...
>
>So Gimp help should be a set of HTML files and a small exec to launch the
>preferred browser
On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Tristan Tarrant wrote:
> If you want small there is also Gzilla which could be resurrected.
Gzilla has already been resurrected. It changed names in the process, and
is known as armadillo now. It still lives at http://www.gzilla.com/
though.
later,
Andrew Kieschnick
> Well thats why we want to have only GtkXmHTML installed and only if it's
> needed.
GtkXmHTML is on its way out. Check out the gtkhtml module in CVS. The
only dependency on Gnome is for the test application and the bonobo
component. Otherwise it looks like plain GTK+ stuff to me.
> It's not wis
I am not an active developer on Gimp, so I realize my words won't have
much weight here. However, this discussion of the help-system seems silly
to me.
> On Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 12:26:58PM +0100, Simon Budig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
> > in the Gnome-Libs, becaus
On Thu, Nov 11, 1999 at 01:11:54AM +0100, Olof S Kylander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * All Script in Xtns should be under ZZ-Fu
> (ZZZ == Lang)
I strongly disagree. From a usability perspective this is nonsense. It might
be nice for a user to know whom to blame for the script
On Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 02:26:13PM +0100, Raphael Quinet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Solaris 2.6 machine that I use for most of my GIMP work. If you do
> not want the help system to be part of the standard GIMP package
I have never said that... I _do_ want a help system, but fact i
On Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 12:26:58PM +0100, Simon Budig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> in the Gnome-Libs, because some people refuse to install gnome
> (I dont know why, but there are those people...)
Here is a good reason: gnome is large. TOO LARGE. And if you do not want
to use the gui it is a big
nd other
> Perl stuff.
The difference (IMHO) is that a help system is an integral part of the gimp,
just like menus, a good ui design or the tooltips are.
If any plug-in is missing (or even the 20+ perl plug-ins), this does no
On Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 04:23:02AM +, Nick Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Well, PERL certainly works on a lot of platforms, but Sven was talking
> about the supposed GimpPerl included in CVS Gimp.
Yes. However, the number of platforms and machines where gnome is
installed is still very sm
On Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 11:10:14AM -0500, Federico Mena Quintero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> The GIMP should really use the GNOME help browser instead of
> reinventing the wheel.
At the moment, this is the only viable way. Since we _require_ gnome for the
help system it ma
Hello
On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, Guillermo S. Romero / Familia Romero wrote:
> >> > The GIMP should really use the GNOME help browser instead of
> >> > reinventing the wheel.
> >> Will it be possible to get just the wheel without the rest of the car?
> >Maybe I'm not the right person to say this, but
Hello Folks
Yes, as Sven points out we can include GtkXmHtml and we can make a wiser
configure script.
The other part is that I just don't want to spend my free time to make a
help system that is not a part of std Gimp. I mean it's totally idiotic to
say "well if you want h
At 13:49 10.11.99 +0200, Tor Lillqvist wrote:
>> Maybe the time has come to fold GtkXmHtml into the main library.
>
>Ugh... cough, cough. Have you looked at the GtkXmHTML (or however it
>should be capitalized) source code? One would hope GTk+ has higher
>standards. Not to mention that the "Gtk" p
>> > The GIMP should really use the GNOME help browser instead of
>> > reinventing the wheel.
>> Will it be possible to get just the wheel without the rest of the car?
>Maybe I'm not the right person to say this, but WTF...
>What is the matter with the GIMP developers ? What is this adversion to
>
On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, Tristan Tarrant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Zach Beane - MINT wrote:
> > > The GIMP should really use the GNOME help browser instead of
> > > reinventing the wheel.
> >
> > Will it be possible to get just the wheel without the rest of the car?
>
> Maybe I'm not the right per
Zach Beane - MINT wrote:
> > The GIMP should really use the GNOME help browser instead of
> > reinventing the wheel.
>
> Will it be possible to get just the wheel without the rest of the car?
Maybe I'm not the right person to say this, but WTF...
What is the matter with the GIMP developers ? Wha
On Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 11:10:14AM -0500, Federico Mena Quintero wrote:
> > - Help us to make a seperate version of GtkXmHtml that compiles on a lot
> >of setups and fix the Gimp configure script.
>
> Just so you know, GNOME is dropping GtkXmHTML because it is no longer
> being maintained an
> - Help us to make a seperate version of GtkXmHtml that compiles on a lot
>of setups and fix the Gimp configure script.
Just so you know, GNOME is dropping GtkXmHTML because it is no longer
being maintained and is not very good in general. Anders is working
on a very nice GtkHTML widget, a
On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, Marc Lehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Either we have a help system or we haven't. At the moment, we haven't. I'd
> like to use it myself, but I don't want to install a useless gnome just
> for that.
As Sven mentioned, you could say exa
> Maybe the time has come to fold GtkXmHtml into the main library.
Ugh... cough, cough. Have you looked at the GtkXmHTML (or however it
should be capitalized) source code? One would hope GTk+ has higher
standards. Not to mention that the "Gtk" part of the GtkXmHTML name is
quite misleading, ther
Austin Donnelly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Wednesday, 10 Nov 1999, Sven Neumann wrote:
> > - Grab GtkXmHtml seperately. This is difficult at the moment, but I was
> > told that the gEdit application offers a seperately bundled one.
>
> If gEdit needs GtkXmHtml, and so does Gimp, does this
On Wednesday, 10 Nov 1999, Sven Neumann wrote:
> - Grab GtkXmHtml seperately. This is difficult at the moment, but I was
> told that the gEdit application offers a seperately bundled one.
If gEdit needs GtkXmHtml, and so does Gimp, does this not mean there's
a real requirement to make GtkXmHt
Hi,
> The idea of a help system as part of GIMP sounded interesting and I had
> hoped to try it out and comment on it but I now discover I won't be able
> to do so.
There are many things you can do about this:
- Install the gnome-libs package. This will not change your des
On Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 12:36:34AM -0500, Kevin Cozens wrote:
> The idea of a help system as part of GIMP sounded interesting and I had
> hoped to try it out and comment on it but I now discover I won't be able to
> do so.
Why not?
Nick.
Reading the discussions re: the help system has made me think I understand
why compiling GIMP always broke at a point where it needed a GtkXmhtml
header file. I use a RedHat system without Gnome installed and I'm
beginning to understand that GtkXmhtml is a Gnome thing. I recently
upgraded t
On Tue, Nov 09, 1999 at 04:57:16PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote:
> > s/help/perl/
On Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 03:09:46AM +0100, Marc Lehmann wrote:
> However, perl works on many _many_ more platforms than the help system,
> which only works on a very limited number of systems.
Well, PE
will be forced to use Gnome with
> Gimp-1.2.
Unless he wants to use the help sytem, which was my point.
Either we have a help system or we haven't. At the moment, we haven't. I'd
like to use it myself, but I don't want to install a useless gnome just
for that.
> Fact
e want it
to be in its final state. There are probably other good reasons to use Gnome
for later versions of Gimp, but nobody will be forced to use Gnome with
Gimp-1.2.
> - unbundle the help system (or don't ever claim the gimp would have such a
> help system - fact is it doesn&#x
either make gimp a gnome application (puke!). This would be honest, as we
are kind-of forcing gnome on people anyway (wanna help? use gnome!)
- unbundle the help system (or don't ever claim the gimp would have such a
help system - fact is it doesn't work)
A help system that only works
>
> Consider that GtkXmHTML cannot be compiled on linux libc5 systems (or generally
> systems without thread support) because it needs the threaded version of
> strok() strtok_r(). The latter one is new in glibc2 (aka libc6) an for the
> gnome system it is doubled in gnomesupport. So to make Gt
it could be copied out of gnome-libs into The GIMP, but I'm not absolutely
>happy with this solution. A lot of our users will have gnome-libs (you don't
>need the core!!) installed anyway and GtkXmHTML will enlarge the GIMP
>distribution even more.
>
>But having the hel
ion. A lot of our users will have gnome-libs (you don't
need the core!!) installed anyway and GtkXmHTML will enlarge the GIMP
distribution even more.
But having the help system installed everywhere is very important, so what I'd
propose is distributing GtkXmHTML as a seperate package. A
Hello Marc (and Gimpers)
On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, Marc Lehmann wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 11:04:51PM +0100, Olof S Kylander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
> > * Make a script pkg with Script-Fu, Perl-Fu and Py-Fu scripts
>
> A small detail is unclear to me ;) Who is supposed to make that sc
On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 11:04:51PM +0100, Olof S Kylander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Make a script pkg with Script-Fu, Perl-Fu and Py-Fu scripts
A small detail is unclear to me ;) Who is supposed to make that script-pack?
Would the release tarball contain everything, inlcuding the scrip
Hello Folks
I got some feedback about the "Review and better" nearly all of them well
written and with good points. I there for rewrote the main "todo" list
and post it again for confirmation/evaluation.
Here is my list of minor things to clean up and make better (Without
breaking the freeze).
Uwe Koloska writes:
> Consider that GtkXmHTML cannot be compiled on linux libc5 systems
> (or generally systems without thread support) because it needs the
> threaded version of strok() strtok_r().
Not to mention it's a bit impossible to build on non-X11 systems ;-)
But I'm not complaining. B
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