Re: [Gimp-user] Some photograph morphing tricks
Hi, Tanveer Singh wrote: Great tutorial. But one hitch.In my case I want to make BW a small area. So I am guessing I need to interchange the layers. I.e color over BW. Not necessarily. But you certainly can. But when I make the original image Greyscale, any layer I create above it is also greyscale. How to make a layer greyscale, any ideas? There's another gimpguru tutorial (linked from that one) on that issue. It's also on gimp.org - I don't know the URL off the top of my head, but if you have a quick hunt around you should find it easily. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lyon, France ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Call for art!
Hi, Sven Neumann wrote: On Tue, 2006-07-11 at 18:22 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: By the way, in case I wasn't clear before - this is one 30x60 banner for both the GIMP and GNOME. If in doubt, then GNOME should be the dominant theme on there. Why does GIMP and GNOME have to go on a single banner? We were always trying not to promote GIMP as a pure GNOME application. This seems to contradict this effort. The stand is being paid for by: The Blender foundation (lots of money) The GNOME Foundation: $4K ($3K GNOME, $1K GIMP) The Uni-Verse consortium: $5K There are 4 demo placements in the stand - one for blender, one for Uni-Verse, one for the GIMP and GNOME, and one for other projects - Inkscape among others. So the GIMP and the GNOME demo placement are at the same place, thus on the same banner. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lyon, France ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Call for art!
Hi guys, I just heard about something that has been set up for siggraph, but there's a pressing need: One of the Blender folks can print us banners, connected to a banner stand like this: http://www.nomadicdisplay.com/displays/banner-stands/signline-swift/ We won't put them on the tables, but next to the tables. Two banner stands can hold each two prints, on each side. Here's a simple mockup, so you got the idea: http://www.blender.org/bf/sb.jpg The prints will measure 30 x 60 inch each. So here's a todo for GNOME and Uni-verse: deliver me a design for that print (you're full free in that of course!). The fourth banner will be shared for Aqsis and Inkscape. I will connect the Inkscape designer with the Aqsis one (who happens to be sponsor for this stuff). Deadline: ASAP! Well, I give you guys 10 days. July 21 we then can start printing. Can someone do a 30 x 60 banner design for GIMP GNOME for me this week, by any chance? Please? It should have both the GNOME logo and Wilber, but aside from that you're free. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lyon, France ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] How to animate a transition effect?
Hi Joe, Joe Smith wrote: Seems simple enough, I could do the end points with Gimp in 5', but to make all the intermediates to get a smooth transition is not happening. Besides, an animated GIF in OOo or PPT seems to simply loop, which is no good. Any suggestions? Pointers to something helpful? You need GAP, the GIMP Animation Package. There's a tutorial that jimmac did at http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Advanced_Animations/ - in particular, the Move path tool is particularly useful for the scale move type operations you'd like to do. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lyon, France ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] How to animate a transition effect?
Hi, David Neary wrote: You need GAP, the GIMP Animation Package. There's a tutorial that jimmac did at http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Advanced_Animations/ - in particular, the Move path tool is particularly useful for the scale move type operations you'd like to do. I'm no expert, but I managed to throw this together pretty quicky with GAP (someone with more time and a better eye could probably do much better): http://dneary.free.fr/stuff/gnome_feet.gif Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lyon, France ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Who are you all?
Hi all, I happened on this page today: http://www.frappr.com/GIMP It's a map for all people GIMP - developers, users, passionate advocates, etc. It would be great to know who (and where) you/we all are - go sign up now! Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lyon, France ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Selection to Path accuracy
Hi, Adam Cooper wrote: But, hang on, whilst hovering over the Selection to Path button it tells me I can press shift to get Advanced options. Whoa there. They're not advanced options, they're uber-extra-super advanced options. Do you need a degree to use them? Well, yes. Fax me your B.Sc. and I'll put you on track. What exactly do I need to alter to encourage my path to more accurately follow the selection boundaries? Joking... Essentially, all the small numbers (1) can be made smaller to improve the outline. The numbers around 1 - 5 you'll probably have to mouse-over, and guess. 'corner surround' could be a bit bigger, 'Filter iteration count' can go up to 8 or 10, filter percent' can get tuned down to 0.2 or so, 'subdivide search' should be as small as is reasonable - 0.01 for example. 'Subdivide threshold' can also get a little bit smaller (but not too much). Play around :) Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lyon, France ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] [Fwd: GUADEC logo and theme contest]
Hi all, The GUADEC logo theme competition is open, and we're looking for entries - the prize is an expenses paid trip to GUADEC. We are also looking for jury members, and would like the jury to include a GIMP developer. Could anyone interested in being a juror please contact me? Thanks, Dave. -- Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lyon, France ---BeginMessage--- Hello Dave, could you please forward this invitation to the rest of GIMP developers? This is an invitation to be part of the jury that will decide the winner of the GUADEC logo and theme design contest. We would like to have a member of the GIMP community in this jury. We are inviting: * GNOME Foundation - the owners of the brand * GUADEC committee - the contest organisers * art.gnome.org - main source of contributors (I) * gnome-look.org - main source of contributors (and II) * GIMP development team - experts in creative GTK+ tools (I) * Inkscape development team - experts in creative GTK+ tools (II) * Drupal.org - experts in themes * GNOME Catalan translation team - the local perspective * The community - vote based on a poll We are sending all the invitations today, since yesterday the GUADEC beta site was soft-released: http://beta.guadec.org We have designed a procedure to decide the winner that shouldn't take much time, nor debates. It is based on a first round of nominations and a second round of votes. The whole decision process will last one week, starting on Feb 1st. More information about the contest: http://beta.guadec.org/?q=contest More information about the jury: http://beta.guadec.org/?q=node/27 We will be honoured if you accept this invitation! :) -- Quim Gil - http://desdeamericaconamor.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ---End Message--- ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Gimp Conference 2006
Eat Frog's Legs and snails in garlic butter! Enjoy the refreshing taste of duck liver! Eat baked pig intestines (a local speciality)! Come to Lyon for the GIMP Conference, 2006! We're in the early stages of the planning - and now's the time to stand up be counted. The GIMP conference, which may become a more general Free Graphics conference, if other people like the idea, will be held in CPE, Lyon, in March or April 2006. We have 4 possible weekends (Friday/Saturday/Sunday) available. The first is the weekend of St. Paddy's Day (the patron saint of Guinness), and David Odin's birthday - 17/18/19 March. The second is the weekend afterwards, when there's not much on - 24/25/26 March The third is the birthday of Dave Neary (me!), and April Fool's Day (think of the press release possibilities!) - 31 march/1/2 April. The last one - 7/8/9 April. We need to decide when the conference will be on soon, to reserve space in the university, get in contact with youth hostels, figure out what's going to happen, and work up some sponsorship. Once the dates are fixed, I'll send a follow-up announcement (if there are dates that are definitely out for you, let us know now). Everyone's welcome! Spread the word! Bring your dog! (But tie them on a leash outside) Bring your partner! (Lyon's lovely in March) We're looking forward to having you all. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lyon, France ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP merchandising
Hi, Sven Neumann wrote: I've thought more about the whole thing and I would like to propose the following solution: We add a page about GIMP merchandising to www.gimp.org. This page (GIMP Stuff ?) gets linked from the sidebar and from the Donations page and it is mentioned on the front page at the time it is added (and perhaps every once in a while). On that page we give links to all places where people can obtain GIMP stuff but only if the GIMP project also gets a fair share of the bargain. That's grand with me. It's a fair middle line between having nothing (current state) and having an integrated merchandising line. This is the model that KDE use already, by the way. It's worth noting that what KDE gets in stuff is pretty tiny - it's measured in hundreds of euros a year. I think this is a fair compromise between the concerns that GIMP is selling out, and the desire to have GIMP merchandising for sale. Unless there are objections to this, I'll figure out the details with all concerned over the next couple of weeks. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lyon, France ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP merchandising
Hi, Sven Neumann wrote: Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For their part, they would like to continue having their logo on the arm (which I'm OK with) The logo on the arm is definitely what keeps me (and probably others) from buying this stuff. I wouldn't dare to leave home wearing one of these shirts. It also gives me a very bad feeling about this merchandising arrangement. This seems to be a common point and I'll discuss this with Federico. I don't think a prominent place on the front page is appropriate. Integrating it into the sidebar might be. At least announcing its existence when we add the link to the sidebar might be nice. What exactly does this arrangement involve? We can hardly decide anything w/o knowing what we are talking about. Does it mean that sourcewear will be the only official merchandiser? It would be a non-exclusive agreement to produce wilber goods, with an agent identified for the GIMP project who would have control over product quality and designs. Exact details need to be worked out. And I'm not going to spend time doing that if the idea is not workable in principle. The only exclusive part would be that the link Buy GIMP stuff on gimp.org would go to wilber merchandise on sourcewear.com. They're getting placement - people who want to buy gimp merchandise go to gimp.org, where we currently don't cater for them. They don't go to sourcewear.org, so they don't sell many t-shirts, and we don't get much money from the arrangement. If we add a link to wgo, we are providing a service to people who want to buy wilber stuff and don't know where to go, they get more referrals, more sales, and we get a bigger slice of a bigger cake to spend on things that we want - for example, paying for the publishing of the GIMP manual (why not?) and a GIMP conference (when someone around here decides they want to put the time into arranging one). Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lyon, France ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Problem with drawing in gimp
Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My problem is that: I want to draw to montage. But same areas are undrawable. It seems to that areas are the empty areas (where layer is transaparent). How to I force drawing ? In the layers channels dialog, there is a small checkbox with a transparent check beside it - this is the keep transparency setting, which means you can only draw on parts of the layer that are opaque. Uncheck it, and you can draw freely. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP RENAMED and sold on eBay
Hi, Mike Meyer wrote: Actually, the GPL says for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing the source distribution, without a word about the cost of the media. In particular, this leaves the issue of what you charge for the *time* taken to make the distribution. If you farm out burning CD's for the binary to a mass duplication facility, but do the source distribution by hand, it's even possible to charge more for the source distribution than you do for the binary distribution, because the difference in copying methods leads to a difference in cost. Interesting. I have this image of someone hand-copying the source code to paper, then re-checking it, then posting it, and charging $25 an hour. :) Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP RENAMED and sold on eBay
Hi, steve hudson wrote: i think you'll find somewhere in GPL you cant distribute it under another name and have no reference to GPL on the site You're getting copyright (the licence) and trademarks (the name) mixed up. There is nothing preventing me from releasing what's in GIMP CVS as Dave's Paint Program. I must release it under the GPL. That means, I must include a file with the GPL in the package I sell you. You can then request the source code, which I must provide to you, charging no more than the cost of the media it comes on. and if this is the way GPL works you need to seriously rethink it It's been pretty well thought out before. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Trouble with layers from psd
Hi Greg, Gregbair wrote: And, no they don't publish the extensions. Anyway, Fireworks can import PSD files with the text layers. I'm 101% positive Adobe didn't tell Macromedia how to do this, so if Fireworks can, maybe some smart GIMP person can. It's not quite that straightforward. Presumably, MM used Adobe's SDK for PSDs, which includes the specs of the file format. Up until PS 6 these were available free. Since then, there is a licence agreement to sign which is very unfriendly to free software. This is a bit of a problem for the GIMP. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] photo stitching in the gimp
Hi, Skunk Worx wrote: i have heard algorithms exist such that a panoramic scene can be photographed as several pics and the software will automagically determine the locations, edges, etc. of the photos and splice them into a single image. is there such a plugin for the gimp ? None in the official distribution. There is a set of tools and plug-ins called pandora available from the plug-in registry http://registry.gimp.org and I seem to recall panotools for gimp too - yup, found it: http://www.vierpi.de/panotools-gimp.html it doesn't appear to have been updated for 2.x. However I found a whole mailing list which is *very* active on panotools frontends - http://www.email-lists.org/mailman/listinfo/ptx There are many such programs mentioned on that list, among them hugin http://hugin.sourceforge.net/ The home page for Panorama tools is http://www.path.unimelb.edu.au/~dersch/ There's a forum for panotools on yahoo: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PanoTools/ Here's the home page for the Pandora plug-in: http://shallowsky.com/software/pandora/ And for the enblend program: http://enblend.sourceforge.net/ And finally autostitch: http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~nowozin/autopano-sift/ Hopefully in all that there's something worthwhile. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Version 2.2 Gimp
Hi Richard, Richard wrote: Thanks, but neither link answers my question, on bit's ( color depth ) Well, they kind of do (in that, if the GIMP were 16 bits per channel now, it would have been in the release notes). The short answer is no, we aren't. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Window-Title - Meaning of %f
Hi, michael crane wrote: Andreas Waechter wrote: Not a very obvious place to look for it ... can you share an example of an obvious place? It took me a little time to guess I should type man gimp-2.0 not man gimp nor man gimp-2.0.1 Clicking Help in the Preferences dialog where you set the title brings you to the page of the manual which also describes the format codes. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] arrow
Hi, J.W.J. Geenen wrote: The first line gave this error: tcsh: export: Command not found. Indeed a man command confirmed the export verb is not available. export is a sh (Bourne shell) built-in. It is common to use shell in makefiles - try running bash and trying the build again. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP 2.2 Screens
Hi, M Featherston wrote: Just wantd to let you guys know I created some screens of GIMP 2.2. All of the images are print-quality, Windows XP-based and dedicated to the public domain (with appropriate XMP metadata inserted). You can browse the images here: http://www.ibiblio.org/sigmaman/software/Screens/GIMP_2.2/ Thanks, Mitch! jpg is a questionable choice of format for screenshots, and psd as your native format is a little odd, but thanks for your effort. I've added the web list as a CC, in the hopes that someone can migrate some of your screenshots to the GIMP screenshots section. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp2.2 and Copy Paste to OpenOffice
Hi Duarte, Duarte Oliveira wrote: The What's New list of gimp 2.2 says this version has a better copypaste from gimp to other application (like OpenOffice) but i can't copypaste from gimp2.2 to OpenOffice 1.1.3 OpenOffice doesn't yet support the various drops which the GIMP provides. A short explanation will help: When an application puts something on the clipboard, it does so by registering a number of mime types that it can handle - thus, when you select part of a web page in Firefox, the CLIPBOARD clipboard is taken by Firefox, and it registers a number of mime types - text/plain and text/html for example. Then when you drag drop the selection to another application, the application chooses the format in which it wants the source data, and requests it (via X) from the source application. The GIMP now supports the following mime types for copy paste and drag drop data: Drops pastes: file text/plain text/uri-list image/png image/jpeg A bunch more image/*s image/svg+xml Drags copies: image/svg+xml (from paths dock) image/png image/jpeg A bunch more image/*s (from layers, selections, bunch of other stuff). So if OOo supports image/png or image/svg+xml from the clipboard, it'll automatically work with the GIMP. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] gimp 2.0 woes - screenshots, text, and interface
Hi, Carol Spears wrote: long ago, gimp got its screenshots via xwd. i have no idea if this is still the case, however, i wonder if xwd works on sarge enlightenment. No, brix fixed this in 1.3.x. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] paths
Hi, Gert Cuykens wrote: how do you remove the bubbles ? i can add as many bubbles as i want but i cant remove them Set the tool in Edit mode in the options, and then Shift-click will delete the nodes. Keep an eye on the status bar while using the path tool, it gives you useful suggestions for modifier keys, and tips on what the current mode does. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] difference between merge and flatten layers
Hi, Gert Cuykens wrote: yes, except why does flatten image don't show the same prompt menu as merge visible layers ? expanded as necessary clipped to image clipped to bottom layer what do does options mean ? Merge down and Merge visible layers merge several layers, but can leave other layers untouched. Thus, when you are merging more than one layer, you have a number of ways to do it - the new layer can be limited by the size of the image, by the size of the bottom layer, or by the union of all of the layers being merged (expand as necessary). Flatten image performs another operation - it removes all of the layers (visible or not) and replaces them with one layer, which does not have any transparency. Any transparency in the projection is combined with the background color. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] difference between brightness and saturation
Hi Gert, Gert Cuykens wrote: what is the difference between brightness and saturation ? saturation is a measure of how vivid a colour is, brightness is a measure of its brightness :) so a deep green would be both dark and saturated, whereas a light leaf green is perhaps not so saturated, and brighter. To see the difference, use the color picker in HSV mode, and change the S and V sliders independently (Value and Brightness are very closely related). Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Color Ramp
Hi, Mohamed Hassan Aly wrote: How can I add a color ramp to an image or a DEM using GIMP? Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks. Do you mean a gradient? The gradient tool will do the job for you. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] RGB
Hi, Richard wrote: Working with a image, in RGB channels, and want to get rid of the noise in the Red chanel, what is the best method of doing this? Channels dock, deselect the blue green channels, and blur/denoise/other (I hope this works...) If it doesn't work, decompose, blur, recompose will work fine, but is a bit painful. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Judging panel for splashes
Hi all, The judging panel for the splash contest is Simon Budig, Alan Horkan, Michael Schumacher, Joao Bueno and Adam Moss. Since they were in the first 5 but aren't in the final panel, if there is a need (for whatever reason) for a replacement judge, the replacements are Joseph Heled and Roman Joost. The results will be announced (and the splash committed) before the end of Friday next week (to give the judges time to judge). Many thanks to FlamingText.com and sourcewear.com for offerring to sponsor the competition. Since there can be only one winner, the prize will be a GIMP t-shirt or polo shirt from http://sourcewear.com and FlamingText will surely help us out on another occasion. Thanks to everyone who entered splashes so far (and those who haven't yet but will over the weekend), and to our judging panel for volunteering - I don't envy them ;) Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: 2.2 splash screen competition
Hi Olivier, olivier ripoll wrote: My message is slightly off-topic, but somehow not completely. On the wiki page, I have seen you ask the following question about the vitruvian (for those who do not know, the vitruvian man is a drawing of Leonardo Da Vinci): Is the Vitruvian man in the public domain? Thanks for all of the information. I guess famous old art is public domain, then, depending on your definitions of famous and old :) Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: 2.2 splash screen competition
Hi Joszef, Jozsef Mak wrote: Can anyone explain why I cannot create an account for the contest page? I tried every variations possible but nothing happens other than the same page reappears over and over again asking to create an account. Once you have entered the details, the same page is redisplayed - it is your preferences page as well. You know you have successfully created an account when the top right corner says JoszefMak and not UserPreferences. If you visit other pages then, you can modify them. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Judging the splash contest
Hi all, So thanks to yosh (and carol for having done the contest section of the site in the first place) we now have the splash contest back on track. The next step is to actually judge the contest and pickj the 2.2 splash screen. There are 3 ways we can go about that. 1) Someone makes a unilateral decision and commits one of the entries. 2) A small (2 or 3) group of GIMP people decide among themselves who wins. 3) A larger group (the GIMP user list, more or less) judges the contest by sending in their favourite, and the one with the most votes gets it. I'd like to do the third one, but we don't have a voting framework and I think that it would take too long. I prefer the second method. So could people who are interested in judging the splash contest (and having an entry should probably make you inelligible) contact me, and I will put 3 or 4 of you in contact with each other? That way, you can just let me know who won next Monday, and everyone is happy. Obviously, if 50 people say they are interested, I will just pick 4 people by some arbitrary method. Are there any people who disagree with doing it that way? Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Judging the splash contest
Hi, Michael Schumacher wrote: I'd like to add: 4) A small group preselects a few (3, 5, 10, ?) images from the submissions, and a larger group votes for them like in option 3). I would just like to point out that the reason I would prefer to avoid #3 (and for the same reason #4) is time and infrastructure. We don't have any technical infrastructure for counting votes, and say 4 people come up with 10 candidates, we could be voting for days before we get a result, when we all want the 2.2 release as quickly as possible - and that could be as soon as the end of next week. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: 2.2 splash screen competition
Hi all, After a false start, the GIMP Splash Contest is now officially open! The contest runs until next Sunday, Midnight. Splash screens should be the same size as jimmac's logo and have a pale band across the bottom roughly the same size. Otherwise, knock yourselves out! Competition entries should be attached to the live.gnome.org wiki page at http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt_2fGimpSplashContest - you will need to create a wiki account. We will definitely have some kind of (small) prize sponsored, details will follow during the week (but the real reason you are doing it is the glory, right?) Good luck to everyone! And don't forget, spread the news! Cheers, Dave Neary. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] 2.2 splash screen competition
Hi all, The 2.2 release is approaching fast, and we would really like to see a cool splash screen for it. So we're having a splash screen contest. It will be open for a week, until next Sunday the 5th of December, at which point a winner will be chosen and committed to CVS. Splash screens should use jimmac's splash screen template http://primates.ximian.com/~jimmac/blog/GIMP/GimpSplashTemplate/ and be mailed to the GIMP user list. Please spread the announcement around! I would like to see this on gimp-rf.org, gimp.hispalinux.es, gug.sunsite.dk, art.gnome.org and any other related sites. I will make a gallery of submissions when the competition is over, and the winner will definitely receive something GIMPish, perhaps a t-shirt when we print some, or some other GIMPish treat which doesn't cost too much. Good luck, and get those splashes in! Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Delay in windows port of Gimp releases
Hi, Sven Neumann wrote: Napoleon Ahiable [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have no idea how to build a gimp windows package so the last think i would do is be ungrateful to Jernej Semoncic. I actually like to thank him for what he's done. I guess it would help if someone could post a detailed description of how to build GIMP on Windows. Or does such a document exist already? Then please point us to it. Michael Schumacher has worked on such a document. I have not managed to fully build the GIMP on Windows recently - the last time I tried was over a year ago, and at the time I had some libtool issues, IIRC. I know Hans Breuer successfully builds with Visual Studio too - the details are in README.win32. Michael has documented the steps required to set up a build environment in the wiki: http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/HowToCompileGimp_2fMicrosoftWindows Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] The intelligent scissors tool
Hi Anders, Anders Drejer wrote: I am trying to cut out a person from a picture for use in another picture, but I can't find out to mark and copy using the scissor tool. How do I do? It can be a little tricky sometimes, but the idea is to click on the starting point to close the loop, then click inside the boundary to create the selection. This has the advantage of allowing you to move nodes and edges after completing the loop and before creating the selection. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Inquire ?
Hi, Richard wrote: One: Gimp does 16 Bit Color and 8 Bit Gray ( Right? ) no 24 bit or 32 bit? No - GIMP does 8 bit gray, 16 bit graya, 8 bit indexed, 24 bit RGB and 32 bit RGBA. That is, if you look closely, 8 bits per channel. Second: The New Version ( Gimp 3.0 ) Will do Gegl, from my understanding that suppose to handle any bit up to 48 Bit? 16 Bit Gray ? The next version of the GIMP (out soon) will be 2.2, and will not use gegl. The following version 3.0 should include gegl, which is a graphics library which abstracts away things like bitdepth and colorspace from image representation. It is certain that gegl will have a floating point pixel mode (it does already), and probably that the GIMP will add an interface to use it, so version 3.0 will have 48 bit floating point RGB, 64 bit floating point RGBA, and may well have 128 bit floating point RGBA. It may also have a 16 bits per channel integer representation. Third: Is there anyone in the free world, that has done up a Mac OS X package ( installer ) for he Current version 2.2 ? Don't know, I'm afraid. Have you looked on the gimp.app sourceforge page? Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Applying Filter ?
Hi Richard, Richard wrote: Now, have a question: if I shot in BW (via digital camera), wouldn't that give me a better image, to work with in Gimp, instead of converting it to Grey Scale? That depends. What your camera gives you will probably be better thanb what you get by simply converting from RGB to greyscale or by desaturating the color image (these are essentially the same operation). However, since shooting in BW gives you less information than shooting in color, your options are limited. There is only one BW representation that you can have. By shooting in colour and converting by had into BW, you can play around an awful lot and get results that are much more striking. You might, for example, decompose to YUV and use the Y channel. Or to RGB and use G. Or use the channel mixer to take 60% Green, 30% Red and 10% Blue (roughly the same as converting to greyscale) Or playing around with those percentages. Or using L from an La*b* decomposition. There are loads of ways of getting grayscale images from colour images. If you know about them, you might prefer the power you have in doing that. However, if you are just using Layer-Color-Desaturate or Image-Mode-Grayscale, the results from your camera will probably be better. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Crop with ratio
Hi Scott, Scott Ainslie wrote: Is there any way that I can set the crop tool to crop to a given ratio? In 2.0, you should use the rectangular selection tool with a constrained aspect ratio to frame your image, and then crop to the selection. In 2.2, you do not need to do this, since you may constrain cropping to a given aspect ratio. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Validity of selling GIMP?
Hi, Ray Anthony wrote: Browsing ebay tonight, I noticed that someone was selling The GIMP. Is this allowed under the current licensing? Yes. Absolutely no problem. He may also refuse to give you the program (and source) until you pay for it. However, once he does give you the source, you may do what you want with it, including giving it away. And value addition is a commercial argument, nothing to do with licencing. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Che guevara question
Hi, I deleted the mail with eth Che Guevara question too hastily, so here's a reply as a new thread. The problem with doing a threshold on a photo is that you typically get lots of graininess around the threshold borders. If you do a small blur, say 2 or 3 pixels radius, it makes the threshold boundaries much cleaner. You can hand-select parts of the image (such as the star on Che's cap, for example) and invert the selection so that the blur doesn't apply to bits that you would like to stay angular and well defined. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Wide controls in the toolbars
Hi, Alexander Rabtchevich wrote: Are there any plans of fixing the bug http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124134 in 2.2? Given that the bug is marked as FIXED? I doubt it. It won't show up in any of the bugzilla queries which people generally sue to generate such lists. If you feel that resolution is incorrect, you should re-open the bug, explaining what the problem is. Or better yet, open a new bug, referencing that one. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.1.4 filepicker
Hi, This is mostly a binch of tips (and a disclaimer - I haven't read the rest of the thread yet, so these may be duplicates)... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried to build 2.1.4 and kind of succeeded, but it couldn't open files. I could barely start it, actually. THere was dozens of error messages during startup from the local dir about libgimpwidgets-2.0-104 couldn't be located. You may have tried to install the GIMP 2.1 into the same directory as the old GIMP, and this does not work. It's documented in the README file, which you read, of course. ;) I don't know how those errors manifest themselves, and I would have expected something more subtle than this, but however... And even with a full install that's right: It's not on disk. Nor did the installation routine relink gimp to the new binary. This is normal - since 2.1.x is a development series, we assume that you will be doing day-to-day work with 2.0.x, and we leave the gimp linking to gimp-2.0. I finally gave up and deleted the whole thing - it could only open xfc files, no plugins worked, and the filepicker has become an unusable mess... What on earth happened to the it? I can't use it anymore :((( For the files, this is because xcf is loaded and saved in the core, while every other format goes through a plug-in. Since libgimp is not found, the plug-ins don't load, and are thus not available. You can use the old 2.0 plug-ins by doing something like ln -s /usr/lib/gimp/2.0/plug-ins ~/.gimp-2.1/plug-ins , but then you will not have all the bug-fixes and previews which have gone into the 2.1 series. There is nowhere to paste in the URLs (filepath/name). Ctrl-F (Find) brings up a filename entry dialog box where you can paste URLs or file paths. I used to browse my galleries in mozilla, and then paste the url/filepath+name into the gimp filepicker. If this is your preferred way to browse files, then you might consider dragging and dropping the URLs from the Location bar into the toolbox of the GIMP. This even works for remote images in web-pages, and drag drop also works with multiple files, you can drop files to the layers dock to have them added as layers to your image, and DD also works for lots of other things (colours, patterns, layer previews, etc). I tested it under Gnome too: There I can see icons at least. But I can't use Gnome for other reasons. I guess it all means that the Gimp has changed from a Gtk app to a Gnome app. No, this isn't the case. Perhaps you are missing the icon themes, which are an optional but reccommended component for the GIMP? Regards, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.1.4 filepicker
Hi, Sven Neumann wrote: See my other response in this thread. The error that the original poster was seeing when starting up GIMP is completely unrelated to the installation prefix he has choosen. He simply forgot to run ldconfig. Ah - I was under the impression that libtool took care of that at install time nowadays. You should perhaps have mentioned that there's also Open Location in the toolbox which offers an entry to paste URLs or filenames to. Ah - I would have if I'd thought of it :) Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] gimp 2.0 and gimp 2.1 together on one system
Hi Andreas, Andreas Waechter wrote: Sven Neumann wrote: It is thus not possible to install this development version into the same prefix with GIMP 2.0. What does prefix mean? Does it mean file system folder? Then why call it prefix? The GIMP, like many programs, installs things in lots of folders. The binary goes in bin, but libraries go in lib, the headers go in include, the docs go somewhere in share, as do all the other data files. The prefix is the directory which is prefixed to each of these. A prefix of /usr means that gimp-2.1 the binary ends up in /usr/bin, a prefix of /opt/gimp-dev means it'll be in /opt/gimp-dev/bin/gimp-2.1. The configure script has a number of very common arguments it can take, and one of these is --prefix=[directory]. I suggest that you run configure --help to see the full list of supported options - although in the GIMP that will be quite long. There are certainly things in there you didn't know about :) Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Photoshop magic background eraser
Hi, Eric Pierce wrote: Actually, it'd be nice if Gimp could pick up some of the properties of PS's erase background tool. Would you mind describing how this tool works? Some screenshots would be brilliant. I am guessing that it's an erase tool with some kind of edge detection that doesn't delete things not in the same region as the starting seed point - is that accurate? The other approaches I take are: 1. decomposing the image and a making mask from the layer with the best separation 2. using the path tool to break out a region and (once again) make a mask Any techniques I'm missing? I tend to use the magic scissors to make a first attempt at it, create a layer mask from that and retouch the mask to get it right. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] gimp 2.0 and gimp 2.1 together on one system
Hi, Yemu wrote: is it possible to have gimp 2.0 and 2.1 installed together on one system? do binaries have different names (like it was with older gimp 1.2 and beta/1.3) Yes, but not in the same prefix. gimp 2.2 is intended to replace gimp 2.0 - in fact the binary will continue to be called gimp-2.0 - and as such, some problems are found when installing both in the same prefix. However, you can have both installed under different prefixes. I have the GIMP 2.0.4 installed in /usr, and 2.1 from CVS in /usr/local/gimp-dev. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors
Hi, Simon Budig wrote: Carol Spears ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 07:43:29PM +0200, Simon Budig wrote: I start to regret to have supported your attendance to Guadec. you were the decision maker i take it? I was one of many people who wanted to meet you at Guadec. That doesn't mean that I made the decision to fund you but I think it helped. I guess since I was the one handing out the money, I was the decision maker on this. I did ask around, and while one or two people asked why? when I asked them whether Carol should go, there were several people who were positive on the idea, including Simon. did anyone ever tell you that changes were made to a community project to suit someones mothers needs? if so, how did you handle it. an example of how to deal with such a thing needs to be given i guess instead of idle reprimands. Getting something to the stage where my grandmother would use it is a proverbial way of describing making technology accessible to a larger public. I am sure this was the sense in which Luis was talking when he said he wanted something his mother could use. That is not the reason things are simplified, but it is a soundbite describing the general goal of opening things up to a larger public. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Layers in GIMP and Photoshop Layer Effects
Hi Cedric, cedric wrote: A) I'm not sure i've understood everything but some told few days ago, that it was possible to do in GIMP (with layer modes) all what Adobe PS does in layer effects. At this time the best thing i know for gimp is the layer_effects.scm. But may be I mistake. Yes, it is, but effect layers are another matter. A layer mode is a way to change how one layer renders with the layers beneath it. An effect layer is a layer with no data attached which acts on the data flowing through it (to do something like a curve adjustment, or inversion, or some other color operation). There is no reason why an effect layer could not be more powerful, and allow things like blur layers, but as it was done in Photoshop, effect layers only use pixel-by-pixel effects. B) Photoshop has a very interesting functionnality in being able to group layers (pasting in new can be done by copy/paste and layer-new). Another one not present in the GIMP at all. Sorry. C) The add of several layers increases much more the size of a XCF file than it does with a PSD Can't comment on this one, sorry. D) It is impossible (may be it is a technical reason) to work with transform tools on a masked layer. In my mind, the tool could be easily applied to both, but i'm sure i mistake. You mean transform the layer and the mask? I'm sure that would be possible. Could you open a bug report in Bugzilla for this feature addition? Thanks for your comments, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] diagonal erase
Hi, Neil Watson wrote: How would I go about creating a diagonal brush stroke, that erases to the background, through a coloured box? I tried using the path tool to create the diagonal line but, I can't seem to get a stroke to appear. If all you want is a diagonal brush stroke, select the appropriate brush, and the eraser tool, click the start point, and constrain your brush stroke to a diagonal (actually, it constrains to 15° angles) by holding Control. You already know that you can draw a straight line with any of the paint tools by clicking the start point, holding down shift and clicking the end point. The Control key just constrains the operation while you're doing this. Alternatively, if you really want to stroke, you can always select the eraser tool, then stroke with that (see the Stroke with paintbrush section at the bottom of the stroke dialog). Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] So it's a layer border - not a crop frame
Hi Carol, Carol Spears wrote: does anyone know if photoshop has a tooltip explaining the reason they need the same size layer everywhere? Actually, photoshop just keeps layers the size they need to be to hold their contents. If you draw over the edge of a layer, it will grow to accommodate what you draw. I'm not sure, however, if it shrinks the layer when you erase things. There is even a bug open against the GIMP for this functionality, which would be quite nice. It would certainly lower the learning curve for beginners. Why is nothing happenning when I draw? must be one of the most common questions from a beginner who just happened to create a new layer. one thing that i do not understand is the need for floating layers. i dont think that this term is being used properly here. is there any reason that there needs to be the extra step to make pasting directly to an existing layer easier? I don't think so. I believe there is (or was) a bug about that too. IMHO, when you paste, you should paste above the active layer, into a new layer, and be done with it. People can then move the layer merge down if they really want to, but as you say, once people discover layers they rarely anchor to the original layer directly. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp, transparent PNGs and Internet Explorer
Hi Carol, Carol Spears wrote: this makes no sense to me. it might be because i do not understand alpha. the way i understand it is that each pixel is assigned a number that represents a color That's right. The number is between 0 and 255. And that number gets mapped to the full color (that is, an RGB triplet in the GIMP). But there is no reason why this index could not refer to a different colour, say an RGBA color. So that a 50% opaque red could be part of your palette in index 23 (for example). so you might be talking about (a light just turned on) a number that represents a color that has four parts. Yup :) That's the one. doh. except when you are still limited to 256 this will really effect the actual colors and make the image less eh, colorful after the indexing is done. meaning if all those shades of alpha need a different color from the 256 that can be used then less real colors can be used. is this how that works? Well, kind of... since there are 256*256*256 RGB colors, and 256*256*256*256 RGBA colors, you end up with certain types of images that index less well, because you're picking 256 colors from a bigger set. But most images would do quite well. And you always have the option of throwing away the alpha channel, or thresholding it, if you want. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] xpm to ico ??
Hi Adrian, Linux GIMP wrote: So question is, how can I get the xpm to an ico file? The GIMP has .ico support in the 2.1 branch. The plug-in we have in CVS is the same as the one in the registry: http://registry.gimp.org/plugin?id=2223 This may not have been updaetd for GIMP 2.0 - if not the one in the 2.1 source tree should build just fine with 2.0. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Invisible selection marching ant
Hi, Napoleon Ahiable wrote: I was trying to make a selection with a grey background colour setting of R=127, G=127, and B=127. Trouble is i can not see the outline of the shape whilst drawing an outline. It only appears after i release the left mouse button. Any other colour setting i have tried is fine. What can be done about this ? Nothing, I'm afraid. The GIMP uses xor for marching ants, which means that at mid-grey the marching ants are the same color as the image. On a white image, they're black and on black, they're white. This is a known problem which has been reported in bugzilla (if you search for xor you should find it), but it is unlikely to be fixed any time soon. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] the gimp being used regularly
Hi Gaston, Gaston Garcia wrote: I think it's important for people to know about projects where the gimp is being used constantly for professional work. It might encourage more and more people to use the gimp and to see it's capabilities. Is there a list like this somewhere? Not that I know of. I agree this would be a great idea, I'm adding the gimp-web list as a CC. If not, maybe some of you could point out where work done with the gimp is online. A few examples are for the GNOME and Ximian artwork. Also, I know that Bruno Bellamy (http://neverland.net/bellamy/), who illustrates a number of French magazines, uses the GIMP for most of his work. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] the gimp being used regularly
Hi, David Neary wrote: Gaston Garcia wrote: I think it's important for people to know about projects where the gimp is being used constantly for professional work. It might encourage more and more people to use the gimp and to see it's capabilities. Is there a list like this somewhere? Not that I know of. I agree this would be a great idea, I'm adding the gimp-web list as a CC. Oops, forgot the CC. If not, maybe some of you could point out where work done with the gimp is online. A few examples are for the GNOME and Ximian artwork. Also, I know that Bruno Bellamy (http://neverland.net/bellamy/), who illustrates a number of French magazines, uses the GIMP for most of his work. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] What is really used in CMYK ?
Hi, Sven Neumann wrote: Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So - back to the point I mentioned above - does anyone want to draw up a what and how of colour correction as they would implement it for 2.2? Shouldn't we have that discussion on gimp-developer? Or at least include gimp-developer on it? Yes, of course. My mistake. But then, aren't all the developers subscribed to gimp-user too? ;-) Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] language set up
Hi will, will wrote: I just downloaded the gimp, but I can't choose the language...what shall I do? The language is set before the program runs, at system level. You should set the LANG environment variable to your desired language. With no language set, this should be C, which is English. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] freetype.gimp.org
Hi Chris, Chris Want wrote: Can anybody suggest an alternative method for getting this plugin? (For gimp 2.0, acquired through debian packages.) The freetype plug-in is available on GIMP's FTP server at ftp://ftp.gimp.org/pub/gimp/plug-ins/v2.0/freetype right beside gap and gimp-perl. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Old question
Hi Jim, Jim Clark wrote: I want to make an equilateral septagon. There was some way to measure angles, but I cannot find it and cannot remember. Can someone point please? The sum of the angles in an equilateral n-gon is 180*(n-2) for n = 3. That means for an equilateral 7-gon you have a total angle of 180*5 = 900, and each angle is 180*5/7 ~= 128.5 degrees. If you prefer using radians, s/180/pi. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Question about Exif browser plug-in
Hi Tom, Tom Williams wrote: I can't seem to find any information on how to actually invoke the plugin to see the Exif data and I was wondering if anyone knew how to do this. :) I suspect it's somewhere in Image-View. To be certain, though, look for a function called query in the plug-in, and look for a call to a function gimp_install_procedure. In that function call, the 7th argument is the path which is installed in the menus for the plug-in. Alternatively, and perhaps simpler for a normal user, is to open the plug-in details plug-in (Xtns-Plugin details), and search for exif in the list view, then switch to the tree view to see where it is in the menu tree. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp and web site design.
Hi John, John Culleton wrote: I wonder how many of her cautions are universal and how many just dependent on the program used to create the graphics? Her comments on web graphics are, IMHO, universal, as opposed to limited to one program or another. Even if a person simply cannot create clean edges (one of the most common mistakes is using tansparent on a layer - transparent doesn't work..you need to use the background colour as the background colour on the image around any curved lines. Also that delete background rarely gives a clean lift - that all needs to be erased one pixel at a time.) they can go with text only, or visit one of the 1000s of sites that offer free web tools, or avoid curved edges (in most cases jaggies are only an issue around curved edges). This is a fair comment. Transparency (in GIF, and as supported by IE in indexed PNGs) is limited to one palette entry which is completely transparent, and the rest completely opaque. Usually, smooth rounded edges are obtained by antialiasing the curve, going in grades from opaque to transparent over a number of pixels. Since you can't antialias to transparent in gif, round edges usually look crap. However, if you have a background that isn't transparent, then you can antialias from white to green, say, just fine, and have some of that smoothness kept across an indexing operation. However, PNG supports indexing much more advanced than that - essentially, an indexed palette entry in png has an alpha component, so with indexed png you can antialias to transparent. However, this isn't supported in IE for Windows. You can also use 32 bit PNG which is funny supported on both IE and Mozilla, but is a much larger file size. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: [Gimp-developer] Screenshots
Hi, Patrick Shanahan wrote: Gentlemen (an assumption not evidenced by quoted above), opinions are to be expressed and critized, but personalities and associated feelings need to be excluded. Pistole at 20+ paces are *not* an option and should not be considered. This type of display affects the progress of the project (the GIMP) as pushing an automobile while applying the brakes. Excuse me. Sorry - you're dead right. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] picture orientation
Hi, David A Iacobellis wrote: What causes the camera and kuickshow to automatically orient the vertical photos and is there anyway to get GIMP to do the same or get kuickshow to stop doing it? When you take photos and set the orientation (horizontal or vertical) in your camera, that information is saved in the exif header in the image file. Then when your viewing application opens this file, they read that header and rotate the image appropriately for viewing. When you open the image in the GIMP, that information is not used before presenting the image. And when you rotate the image, the exif header is not modified. So when you save your jpg again, the same exif header (saying that the image should be rotated 90 degrees) is saved with the image. Then when you open the image in your viewer, the image which you rotated is again automatically rotated by your viewer, 90 degrees. Which you don't want. The only way to avoid this problem currently is to destroy the exif data saved in the header of your file. That way, your image viewer will not do any automatic adjustments based on it. The better long-term solution would be to either (1) have the image loading affected in the GIMP by this header, or (2) over-write this setting at write time, so that what you save in the GIMP is what you see everywhere else. Neither of these are currently possible in the GIMP. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: dynamic text glow, what happened to them?
Hi, Linux GIMP wrote: P.S. but I still need that render glow filter. I hope someone adds that soon. IIRC, glowa(isn't it Alien Glow?) was a script-fu which basically did a layer copy, fill with glow color (keeping transparency), and a gaussian blur with radius 100 or so (not keeping transparency) on the big copy, auto-stretch contrast, then raise the original layer above the first... Does this look more or less like that plug-in's results? That plug-in is in 2.0 in the same menu location (script-fu - Alpha to Logo - Alien Glow). If it's another plug-in, you have lost me :) Ah - just started up 1.2.5 to check, and Filters-Render-Add Glow is indeed in there - it's a GIMP Perl script, and I assume, although I'm not sure, that it is still in 2.0. gimp-perl can be downloaded from CPAN or from ftp.gimp.org (in pub/gimp/plug-ins/v2.0/gimp-perl). Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Changing house colour
Hi Ken, Ken Walker wrote: I was asked the other day if I could change the dark brown trim on our house including down spouts and eavestroughs but not the roof as shown in from dark brown to Montana Tan as shown in First use something like the freehand selection tool to roughly select the eaves (that is, if you add in stuff outside, don't worry about it). Then copy this selection and paste it as a new layer. Then use the colormap rotation plug-in (in Filters-Color-Map) to map the dark brown to a lighter brown. And if anything outside the eaves unintentionally got its colour changed, you can use the eraser tool (with a small brush) to get back to the original colour. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Changing Colors whilst retaining texture and shading
Hi Trevor, Trevor Nightingale wrote: Question: How do I change the color of the sweat shirt from red to blue while maintaining texture and shading ? Colormap rotation might be what you're looking for - it takes a part of the hue circle and maps it onto another part of the hue circle. In your case, you would take all the reddish and purply/orangy colours, and map that to an appropriate bluish part. This is in Filters-Colors-Map-Colormap rotation Alternatively, if you're sure that you want to change everything in the selection, you can use the hue saturation tool (Layer-Colors-Hue Saturation). The advantage of the colormap rotation is taht if your selection is not perfect, it leaves stuff outside the source section untouched. If you're lucky you can use it without even making a selection at all. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Environment settings big images
Hi, Sven Neumann wrote: On PotatoShop (forced to used at gunpoint), there are no problems editing this image or other large images. Photoshop handles large images better than GIMP. That's a known fact and it's not trivial to improve. How, exactly? I've heard this too, but I have no clear idea how they do so - do they have a similar caching system, and just make better decisions about what to cache and when? Or do they use OS specific features to reduce read times for caching operations? Or perhaps something completely different? Adding -devel as a CC, since this is really a developers issue too. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] How to parse an .xcf file?
Hi, Sven Neumann wrote: Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: xcf is a pure-binary format. It is documented in several places - 1) in devel-docs/xcf.txt in the GIMP's CVS 2) in app/xcf/*.[ch] - notably xcf.c/xcf.h which describe the file format and xcf-load and -save which do the reading/writing. 3) in ImageMagick's xcf filter (this will flatten your image and the floating selection, I believe) 4) On Cinepaint's website http://cinepaint.sourceforge.net in the docs section. Sorry, wrong answer. The right answer is: You don't parse it. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. you don't parse it doesn't exactly tally with being an open source program. Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Contact sheet in gimp?
Hi Sean, sean wrote: I'm looking in the Gimp for the same function as contact sheet in photoshop. That is , take a selection of files and make a contact sheet to print the selection. Does it exist? Not yet, but I believe that someone is hoping to do this soon as part of a revamped thumbnail browser (don't hold your breath, though - I don't believe it's on the list of features which is definitely planned for 2.2). Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP 2.0 Kudos and Comments
Hi, Sam Jones wrote: Here's some comments of mine: 1) There's a cost to download WinGIMP 2.0. Only if you download it through wingimp.com. That is a private business operation, and Mat has donated money to the project in the past. Given that Jernej provides a free installer now, I don't know what extras Mat offers with wingimp. The money does not go directly to The GIMP. For the other two questions, I'm afraid I don't know the answer. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Only XCF filetype recognized by Gimp 2.0
Hi John, John Culleton wrote: There are some files hidden somewhere that I can't find that are preventing a usable product. I'll just wait until the next partition swap time and install 2.0 from scratch. If you run ldd /usr/local/lib/gimp/2.0/plug-ins/postscript, you should get a list of libraries which your plug-in is linking to. In the list you might spot one with a 1.3 in the name. That's the dodgy one :) Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re:[Gimp-developer] Get ready for 2.0.0
Hi Jean Luc, Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) wrote: You can add some French Photo magazines, each of them has papers on digital photography: The idea of a wiki is that you can do this yourself by clicking on EditionTexte (EditText in english) - the mark-up is minimal and is described at the bottom of the text box. I'll add these now though, thanks. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Gimp-user] Histogram in gimp-2.0-pre
Hi, Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) wrote: When I display the histogram with gimp-2.0-pre, I got about nothing for many pictures when in linear mode. In linear mode you'll normally have a couple of peaks drowning out everything else. Do I miss something in the histogram behaviour or is there something special with linear/log modes ? Linear mode is the default (several people requested this). You can change this in the tool options, though. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Mouse Click Coordinates
Hi Kevin, Kevin Myers wrote: However, how is it that I can't get the coordinates, when apparantly something like the crop tool can? Is the crop tool specially written using internal gimp facilities that aren't available to a normal add-in? This is the difference between a tool and a plug-in. A tool is something which (usually) operates locally on the basis of a mouse click (the colour tools are the exceptions, which often causes some confusion). A plug-in usually gets a copy of a drawable to work on, and doesn't have access to things like mouse click events which are captured and treated in the core. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] GUADEC logo invitation
Hey there, The fifth annual GNOME conference, GUADEC [GNOME Users and Developers European Conference], will be held in Kristiansand 28-30.June, 2004. We need a logo for the event. Ideally we are looking for a logo including the GNOME footage with a local Norwegian touch. If you are interested in helping out please send your proposal to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as soon as possible. The logo will be used for promotion, on website, t-shirts etc.. Since the logo will be used on material of many different sizes, proposals should be in a vector format if possible. All proposals will be on display on the website of the conference. Many thanks, The GVADEC V Team You can check out some more information on the GUADEC website at http://2004.guadec.org/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] bug report for gimp-2.0pre1.tar.bz2
Hi, david wrote: I did bother to log on to the bug reporting site and entered the bugbut it is still occuring. In other words I have a password and account number and spent some time entering the info. So what happened?? Excuse me, I misread this (my mind filled in the not). The bug report doesn't ring any bells, though... if it's any help, I have tried to reproduce this, and I could not. I just had a quick search in bugzilla with likely keywords, and I didn't find your bug in the open bug reports... could you quote a bugzilla number, please? Or even add a comment to the bug itself? Thanks, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: [Gimp-developer] gegl query
Hi, Daniel Rogers wrote: Hopefully it won't be that long to a next stable release of gimp. It would be nice to see it in 2004 (albeit late 2004). I have been asked to point out that is is my opinion and noone has made any specific plans. (From talking with other open source projects, 9-12 month release cycles keep interest high). It's my opinion too. It's also the general plan that was discussed at the GIMP conference in Berlin. I'd personally like to aim for a 6 month stable release turnaround, similar to GNOME. At least for 2.2. disclaimer Of course, this is just my opinion /disclaimer Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[Gimp-user] Re: [Gimp-developer] Alternative zoom algorithm
Hi, GSR / FR wrote: I saw that zoom has been changed following bug 124073. After trying it, I did not liked it. Personally I think it gives too much importance to extreme zooms, forgeting most people work around 100%. 4000 to 20 pix images in a reasonable size monitor is what I normally see, not 4 pix or people with one pixel painted as 128*128 screen pixels. I also did not liked that it quickly went to fractional numbers in which one of X:Y is not 1, cos it does not look very pleasing due the fast way Gimp interpolates when displaying. I like the idea of special-casing near-100% ratios (and so does Alan Horkan, from what I can tell from the bug he submitted recently). A LUT is a good way to go for them too, I think. There are some issues with the patch, though. I don't really get what's happenning in the if (src == 1 dest == 1) clause, and I'm not sure completely reverting the old change is the way to go. Perhaps it might be an idea to have some smallish set of presets which are favoured as is suggested in bug 124073 - something from say 8:1 to 1:8, which would cover most common usages, but with zooming allowed outside that range, using the new continued fractions algorithm and a sqrt(2) zoom factor. Help welcomed about how to make it work with typical optimization level. Comments about the presets also welcomed, I just made a list of the ones that seemed interesting while working always around some given factor. I would go for 12.5% 18% 20% 25% 33% 50% 75% 100% 150% 200% 300% 400% 600% That gives you a smallish set of presets, with extra focus around 100%, and outside that you let her fly with the newer algorithm. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] adding to a selection vs. always adding a square (circle)
Hi Przemyslaw, Przemyslaw Gawronski wrote: When I have a selection (lets say a rectangle) and I want to add another rectangle (or a ellipse) I press shift key, but then I can only make a square (or a circle) selection to add. The GIMP makes a difference between a modifier key which is pressed when you start a selection and the same modifier when you finish. To add a rectangle, hold down shift, click and drag, then while dragging, release shift. You will now be adding to a selection, and it'll be a rectangle. All you have to remember is that the modifier keys when you start drawing a selection affect the selection mode, when you finish the shape. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp version's outdated
Hi, Gene Heskett wrote: Support for the newer gimp-print API will be added. If it doesn't make it into 2.0.0, there's nothing that keeps it from being done for the 2.0.1 release. Chuckle, that old adage about never downloading version x.0.0 of anything comes to mind. :) The only reason that we aren't already on gimp-print 5.0 pre is because we expected to have a 2.0 release some time ago, and didn't want to force people to use unstable packages as dependencies. Now that 5.0 is in pre-release, it is entirely possible that the print plug-in will be upgraded (by the way, the same logic (in reverse) is why the plug-in shipped with gimp-print is for the 1.2 GIMP series). Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp version's outdated
Hi, Timothy E. Jedlicka - wrk wrote: Sorry to quote Sven out of context, this was regarding a user on 1.2.2 - two years out of date. My point was that I've noticed several notes from users on really old versions - 1. is this a problem? 2. is it worth fixing? Not really a problem. If he were reporting bugs against 1.0.4 (as one person recently did), he would politely be told that we're not fixing bugs in that any more, and that upgrading to 1.2.5 might be an idea. But being on a stable version isn't a problem in itself. However, it is helpful if the person verifies that the problem they're reporting is still present in the latest stable release. Also, it should be said that all the developer resources are (and have been for at least 6 months) being exclusively put into getting a stable 2.0 release out. So the chances of another stable release (given that there are only about 6 or 7 bug fixes that have gone in since 1.2.5) are extremely unlikely. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] How to export only one channel in grey levels ?
Hi, Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) wrote: I've shooted some infra-red pictures with my digital camera. I would like to isolate the red channel and transform it to a black and white picture, discarding the green and blue channels. How to do that ? You should decompose the image. This is not the only way to do it, but it's certainly the easiest. The Decompose filter was moved in the 1.3 tree to Image/Filters/Colors/Decompose. Select RGB from the choices offered, and you will get 3 greyscale images, one for each channel. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Re: [Gimp-user] How to export only one channel in grey levels ?
Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) wrote: Worked fine, thanks. Pas de quoi. Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Gimp-user] Bug Reports
Hi, david wrote: Is there a simple way of repoting a bug? Can I just post it here? The GIMP uses a database-backed bug tracking package called Bugzilla. This allows us to keep track of the history of bugs, and know which ones are fixed, when we would like the unfixed ones to be fixed, and so on. We share this with GNOME, and the URL is http://bugzilla.gnome.org To enter a bug, you will need a bugzilla account. This is a very easy process - when you ask to enter a bug (click on the New link), if you're not logged in you will be asked for a log-in and password, or be offered the possibility of signing up. To enter a bug against the GIMP, click New, then GIMP, and in the following (horrible looking) page, select a Component, enter a summary and a description. The rest of the stuff on this page doesn't need to be filled in, and probably shouldn't be filled in most of the time. And that's it. Guidelines for writing good bug reports are available here... http://bugzilla.gnome.org/bug-HOWTO.html Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Tool select
Hi Gary, Gary Montalbine wrote: I am able to select a tool and use it on the image. However I can not deselect the tool. I close the dialog box but the tool icon is still in the image. I can change to another tool but I still cannot close one so that there is no icon in the image. The GIMP will always have exactly one active tool. The default tool is the rect select tool - perhaps this is what you are expecting? Perhaps a no-op tool might be an idea (a pointer that does nothing except point). I'n not sure... Anyway, it doesn't currently exist :) I am just starting to use GIMP. I have partially restored one black and white photo so far. It looks like it will be a rewarding challenge Hope this helps, and enjoy the adventure. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] ANNOUNCE: GIMP 2.0 pre1
Hi all, The first pre-release for the upcoming 2.0 version of the GIMP is now available for download from ftp://ftp.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v2.0/testing/ or from one of the mirrors listed at http://gimp.org/download.html Not everything is in its final state, but we think this is close to a final 2.0 release. Your feedback will help make the 2.0 release even better, and we particularly appreciate testing efforts. New bugs can be reported to us at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/ Please note that the GIMP 2.0 installs side-by-side with the GIMP 1.2, so there is no need to uninstall your older GIMP. Happy GIMPing, Dave. Overview of Changes in GIMP 2.0 pre1 == - Replaced old About dialog [Simon] - Allow removal of text attributes from text layer [Sven] - Add optimisation option to png (clear transparent pixels) [Joao] - Add POSIX shared memory implementation, and use it on MacOS X [Yosh] - Dashed selection and path stroking [Simon] - Grey picker in Levels dialog conserves lightness [Bolsh] - Created a library for handling thumbnails [Sven] - Support for multipage TIFFs [Andrey Kiselev] - Added a channel mixer plug-in [Martin Guldahl, Yosh] - PDB cleanup and compatibility mode [Mitch] - Cleaned up libgimp API [David Odin] - Lots of bug fixes Other contributors: Adam Moss, Jakub Steiner, Helvetix Victorinox, Pedro Gimeno, Adrian Bunk, Abel Cheung, Maurits Rijk, Ville Pätsi, Marco Munari, Shlomi Fish, Jakub Steiner, Raphaël Quinet, David Gowers, Michael Schumacher ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] image with 16 colors
Hi Conrad, Conrad Newton wrote: According to a colorcube analysis, my red-and-black image consists of 100 or more colors. I thought there were only two colors (does black even count as a color?), but clearly I was naive. The borders between the red black areas are probably antialiased, giving several colors in between for a smooth transition. You might see this if you zoom in on an edge. Can someone give me a hint?? I am (obviously) a GIMP newbie. The indexed image type is exactly for this. You can convert your image to indexed, and specify an optimal palette of 16 colours; this will construct a palette to represent your image as well as possible with the 16 colours. If you decide later that you really want more, then comvert your image back to RGB, add the extra stuff, and re-convert to indexed. A piece of advice: while some people actually work in indexed mode, it is more usual, and easier on the sanity, to work in RGB, and only convert to indexed as a final stage before saving the image. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] GIMP Con planning update
Hi all, This is a quick update on the planning for GIMPCon 2004. As you know, I was continuing to explore two possibilities - GUADEC and a standalone event in Lyon. The current situation with GUADEC is that we are more than welcome, and are invited to take part in the Graphics stream of the conference. It is likely that there will be representatives from other graphics applications. Off the top of my head, sodipodi, inkscape, dia, OO Draw, CinePaint and ourselves are the main desktop graphics applications at the moment; are there any others I have forgotten? Organisation for this is still in a very early stage, I will know more in a couple of weeks. The Lyon situation is pretty promising. The university is very interested in having us, and are providing lots of facilities for free. They have asked that we organise a half-day of conferences and demonstrations on the GIMP and other free graphics applications. There'll be wifi, as well as access points to the local network, as long as we play nice and follow the school network usage guidelines. The only sticking point is that their facilities are typically closed on weekends, and opening things up for us would incur a cost, which they would expect us to cover. So our choices are a free 3 days during the week, or some weekend and some days during the week, but not free. In short, both propositions are costing little in terms of infrastructure for the conference, but GUADEC demands no organisational cost (apart from me - I'm co-organising the graphics stream). Just keeping you up to date. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] What is the environment variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH??
Hi David, david wrote: The install file quoates Fix: On Linux and other systems using ELF libraries, add the directory to /etc/ld.so.conf or to the environment variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH, and run 'ldconfig'. Only I dont understand how to do this - I simply am lost with this. What is the environment variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH?? I have come across ldconfig before so I understand that-at least!! This error message comes from the fact that it appears you have gtk+ installed, but the libraries for it are not found. Those libraries are typically in /usr/local/lib after installing from source. You have two options available to make the libraries found - first, you can add the path /usr/local/lib to the file specified above, and re-run ldconfig. Then the libraries will be available to everyone, all the time. Or you can modify or create the environment variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH (load library path) to include the directory /usr/local/lib. This is a temporary solution for you, for the current session. The favoured solution would be to add the directory to ld.so.conf. Please check in /usr/local/lib to make sure that you see at least a libgtk+.so first, to make sure that this is indeed the problem. If not, we may have to dig a little further. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Compiling in from CVS
Hi Joao, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote: But, right now, I want to update it. So, let?s go by steps: I go cvs -z3 update You should use cvs up -dP - this will create directories present in the repository, but not locally, and prune (remove) directories which have been emptied via file removals. There are reasonable defaults, and should probably go in your .cvsrc, along with diff -u. That alone will fix some of your problems. I go make distclean If you really want to clean out everything, then maintainer-clean is perhaps better. After doing this, you will need to re-run autogen.sh. Among other things, this rebuilds Makefile.ins from Makefile.ams, which is probably the point at which the changed filenames are causing a problem for you. Is something beyond make distclean needed? Usually, you don't need to make distclean at all. The following is usually sufficient for me... The first time: cvs co -d gimp-1.3 gimp cd gimp-1.3 ./autogen.sh make -j4 sudo make install And thereafter: cd gimp-1.3 cvs up -dP make -j4 sudo make install Sometimes, a new Makefile.am is added (recently, for example, when mitch reorganised script-fu to separate out siod), and this will not work. You will see an error like make: no rule to target all or somesuch in the directory in question. In this case, simply re-run autogen.sh and all will be well. When you run autogen.sh, what happens is that the makefiles are created with some special rules which check whether files like Makefile.am or configure.in have changed, and if they have, make will re-run what it needs to to bring these files and their dependencies up to date. This fails when there is a directory with no makefile at all (as is the case when a new directory gets added). I hope that with a good willing answer to this e-mail, I don't have to perform rm -Rf gimp/ cvs -z3 checkout gimp again nevermore. I hope so too :) The last time I did that is about 6 months ago. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] bug triage for 2.0
Hi all, As those of you who follow bugzilla may have noticed, I have started attacking bugs on the 2.0 milestone. It is now clear that not all of these will be fixed before 2.0. We will need to re-distribute the ones that will not be fixed among other milestones, or close them. As rough guidelines, anything that we hope to fix before 2.0 should stay on the 2.0 milestone. We should prioritise these, so that when we want to release, they can be moved to the 2.0.1 milestone (reserved for things that really need fixing, but which aren't going to be fixed for 2.0). Bugs which are important to fix should be addressed early in the unstable release cycle, and should therefore be added to the 2.2 milestone. We will probably add milestones when we start on a 2.1 branch to further carve up these bugs. Anything which is a feature request and doesn't have an identifiable owner should go to Future. I've thought about this, and there is a certain logic. Either the feature has an owner we can hassel to do the feature, or no-one wants to do it. In that case, there's no point adding it to a milestone closer than Future, because it won't be done. When someone claims a feature request and says they'll do it, it can then be added to a more reasonable milestone. Any bug against 1.0.x should be closed WONTFIX. 1.0.x is ancient history. Any bug which has been in NEEDINFO for longer than 6 months should be closed INCOMPLETE. The original author can then re-open it if he considers the bug is still valid and he wants to add more info. Any bug which has not had a comment added for over a year should be bumped to 2.2, and have a comment added asking what the status is. If, in 6 months time, there are still no further comments, the bug can be closed WONTFIX. We are still working towards a 2.0 release before Christmas. Looking at CVS, we are not that far away from it. I feel that the pre-release cycle will throw up some surprises and that we will have trouble getting to 2.0 that early, but that's another matter. There are now under 100 bugs on the 2.0 and 1.3.x milestones. I would like to see that reduced to around 40, and I would also like to see more than 3 or 4 people closing bugs. To get a 2.0 release soon will be a huge job, and Sven and mitch cannot carry on doing all the bug fixing. If you have any free time at all, please pick a bug and help out. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] ANNOUNCE: The GIMP 1.3.23
Hi all, The next release in the development series of the GIMP, version 1.3.23, is now available for download from ftp://ftp.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v1.3/v1.3.23/ or from one of the mirrors listed at http://gimp.org/download.html This is expected to be the final release before we enter a pre-release cycle. A great deal of work has gone into stabilising the plug-in API, and fixing a large number of outstanding issues before the 2.0 release, so we think that this release of the GIMP is the best yet. More than ever, we would like people to download and build this release, and try to break it in new and interesting ways. Happy GIMPing, Dave. Overview of Changes in GIMP 1.3.23 == - Color proof display filter using ICC profiles written by Banlu Kemiyatorn - New gimprc options to work around window management problems [Sven, Brix] - Fixes for using GIMP on Xinerama setups [Sven] - Numerous libgimp* API cleanups [Mitch, Sven] - Theme switching in the preferences dialog [Mitch] - Added a small theme [Mitch] - Cleanup and unification of message strings [Mitch] - 64bit clean libgimp API [Yosh] - New plug-in color selector using color-selector modules [Mitch] - GimpCanvas drawing abstraction [Sven] - Added DICOM file plug-in by Dov Grobgeld - Imported new WMF plug-in from libwmf2 [Sven, Mitch] - A session name can be given on the command-line [Sven] - Allow to move image windows and docks between screens [Mitch, Sven] - Fixed multi-head issues [Mitch] - Allow to merge visible paths [Simon] - Redone GimpDialog API [Mitch] - Load GIMP brush format version 3 [Sven] - Allow to use GIMP without any fonts [Sven] - Lots of bug fixes Other contributors: Ville Pätsi, Eric Pierce, Tor Lillqvist, Henrik Brix Andersen, Manish Singh, Dom Lachowicz, Francis James Franklin, Dave Neary, Maurits Rijk, Joao S. O. Bueno, Michael Schumacher, Daniel Rogers, Hans Breuer, Jakub Steiner -- David Neary, Lyon, France. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] GimpCon 2004 (follow-up)
I want to start a new thread to get this discussion (which I consider important) back on track. LOCATION So far there are 5 propositions in various stages of development, each of which has some + points and some - points. 1) GUADEC 2) Lyon 3) London 4) Dublin 5) Chemnitz Are there others? We need volunteers. FACILITIES What facilities do we need? I've been working (in my head) with figures of 20-30 people, needing fairly liberal access to conference facilities and computer network, preferably staying with LUGgers, but perhaps in a hotel. MONEY Who will manage the money side of things? We need someone who is good with numbers, to organise a few people to do fundraising. DATE When is the earliest we could meet? When's the latest reasonable date? I like late June, I think June/July/August is our target area. Any comments? Like I said, feedback is *required* for this. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon 2004 (follow-up)
Hi Henrik, thanks for the feedback. Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: LOCATION Personally I think it would be best to piggy-back on an existing event given that the organizers wouldn't mind, of course. This would give us the benefit of an existing infrastructure. In this case, what IT events do people know of in the timescale we're looking at? GUADEC obviously fits, the Chemnitz event is a little early for my tastes, but is certainly an option. What other events are there that people know about? MONEY Who will manage the money side of things? We need someone who is good with numbers, to organise a few people to do fundraising. It would be ideal if The GIMP Foundation was a reality when we start the fund-raising. We could then use the conference to evaluate the steps taken to raise funds - and perhaps improve the process. I don't think we can rely on the foundation existing in time. And even if we did, the foundation would need a treasurer to be the person In Charge. In either case, we need someone to say they'll take responsibility for money. It might well be reasonable that that person then become the treasurer of the foundation. Are there any candidates? Personally I think it would be a good idea to separate the organisation of physical structures from fundraising - they're 2 very different jobs, and teach represents a considerable workload. If one person does both, he's likely to be overloaded with work. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GimpCon 2004 (follow-up)
Hi Andrew, Andrew Langdon-Davies wrote: On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:00:51 +0100, David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOCATION snip Are there others? We need volunteers. Barcelona, Catalonia (near Spain)? Site of the Universal Forum of Cultures 2004, and probably also of an alternative forum as the official event is referred to by many as the Forum of Speculation. I could act as go-between and possibly even provide some accommodation. When is this event? Do you have any URLs by any chance? I'm sending on your response to the list. I hope you don't mind - I'm assuming that you intended it to go there :) Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tél: 04 78 58 08 83 CV: http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~bolsh/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: [Gimp-developer] GimpCon 2004 (follow-up)
Hi, Branko Collin wrote: Sven suggested (IIRC), Hacking Extreme http://www.hex2005.org, the follow-up event to Hackers At Large in 2001, but that is of course still more than one and a half year away. The advantage, from what I understood, and IIRC, was that it tied into a networked camping event. That's a great idea - I loved the CCCamp. And since we're planning on making this a proper annual event, perhaps the 2005 edition could be there. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GimpCon 2004
Hi again, David Neary wrote: Today a few of us were talking about this on IRC, and a couple of concrete proposals came up. Well, more sandy-water proposals at the moment... A 4th possibility to add to the mix... 4) Dublin, Ireland I was chatting to some friends in Dublin, and their LUG has been offered conference facilities free of charge for a limited period. We're short on details at the moment, but in brief, there is a conference room for up to 20 people, a lecture theatre for up to 45 people. Not sure what the access times will be like (robably business hours), but it might be worth exploring. Pros: Possibly free facilities, fairly cheap to get to, pubs Cons: Weather, expensive city Each of these possibilities needs to be fleshed out (possible dates, whether there's funding, facility costs, who's going to do the organising, etc) pretty quickly. And if there are others, the same types of things need doing for them too. Could I have a volunteer to liaise with the GNOME foundation to see if they are open to the idea of subsuming the gimp developers conference? It would be nice to know if they think it's a good idea, and then perhaps whether we could get some money for expenses towards it from the bigger GUADEC pool... I will flesh out the Lyon possibility, and keep in contact with the Dublin people to see exactly what's on offer in terms of facilities, and what types of dates we would be talking about. It would be nice to add another couple of possibilities. Anyone have dates that they prefer? I *really* need feedback on this. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Kerning for text tool
Hi Eric, Eric Pierce wrote: Will 'kerning' ever be implemented for the text tool? There is a feature request for this open in Bugzilla. As far as I know, this is not (yet) supported in pango (which we use to layout text), and until it is, implementing it in the GIMP would be difficult. This is in the works for Pango, and might well appear in the GIMP for version 2.2. Would it be ok to do a 'feature request' for this in bugzilla if it's not currently being considered? It is currently being considered. Please see bug #120268. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120268 Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] GimpCon 2004
Hi all, A while back (quite a while actually) I tried to start a discussion about where we might have next year's GimpCon. There were 2 main ideas - the first is to stage something more or less standalone - 20 odd people turn up somewhere and talk about the GIMP for 4 days. The second is to piggy-back on an existing event, taking advantage of the organisation and financing of the bigger event. I asked for ideas of events, and offers to organise the location for the 20 odd people. I also asked for proposals for dates. Unfortunately, the response was less than I'd expected, which means I probably didn't ask properly :) Today a few of us were talking about this on IRC, and a couple of concrete proposals came up. Well, more sandy-water proposals at the moment... 1) Lyon Myself and David Odin live here, we're both active in the local LUG and might get some organisational help there, David works in a university and has cleared the in principle issue with his boss. We would have some rooms in a university, with access to the university network, and probably guest accounts on the university network. There has been no talk of money, so we don't know how much all this access might cost. Plus: Facilities Minus: Lyon isn't easy to get to, which means higher transport costs. Dates after the 25th of June are best. 2) GUADEC The GNOME Users and Developers Conference is in the process of organising itself for the last week in June; this is about the time that I think it would be good to have a conference (around the time 2.2 comes out), before we break lots of stuff doing a gegl migration. Plus: Everything will be organised. Lots of smart people around. Minus: We're not a GNOME app, so we probably won't get travel expenses paid by the organisers (we can always ask, though - perhaps we can get a Graphics stream added, and have 4 or 5 people give presentations and get expenses that way). Again, Norway's not easy to get to. If we are having problems getting money, sponsorship might be tough (most people liable to sponsor us will also probably be sponsoring GUADEC) 3) London Sven knows some people in London who might be prepared to put in the organisational effort. Plus: London = cheap transport Minus: We don't know what facilities will be available. Other ideas (conferences we could hijack, or places where people would be able to organise stuff for us) are welcome, as well as comments on these. Please note that I have not talked about money at all really... IMHO, we need a someone who will handle the money, and a group of someones who will look for sponsorship. The problem is that we often need somebody, who could be anybody, but everybody thinks somebody will do it, and in the end nobody ends up doing it :) So it would be nice to start naming our somebodies now. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
