B. van Ouwerkerk wrote:
I can tell you that in general, companies in Europe appears to be more
open to open-source solutions much more than ones in the US. Of course,
Europe is comprised of lots of different countries, and each country has
lots of different companies, so your mileage may
Miles
Fascinating link and series of articles. Well worth reading.
One of my VFP buddies copies his entire set of classes into every new
project he starts; I've also seen scenarios where to use one or two useful
functions you had to import a whole class structure.
Yes, I think he raises
Geoff,
I'm getting a 404 not found on that URL. Please check it.
Miles
At 05:07 PM 9/6/01 +0100, Geoff Caplan wrote:
Michael Kimsal wrote
Tell me more about your thoughts on this please.
One of the strengths of PHP is the gentle learning curve. This means that a
lot of people are using it as
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From: Miles Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 01:44:16PM -0300
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Geoff,
I'm getting a 404 not found on that URL. Please check it.
Miles
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Reply
Hi
I'm getting a 404 not found on that URL. Please check it.
Oops - silly typo - and I double checked it too!
Here is the address:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lab/6888/prpats.htm
Actually, this is a pretty interesting site. The root is at:
Michael Kimsal wrote
Tell me more about your thoughts on this please.
One of the strengths of PHP is the gentle learning curve. This means that a
lot of people are using it as their first programming language, and a lot of
the traffic on the lists, and the articles on the PHP sites, are at a
Hi
Thomas Deliduka wrote:
Actually this originally started ... with my question as to what
to tell my JSP-loving buddy that PHP isn't an
antiquated and dying language/processing system.
I have a proposal for the PHP gurus which should help establish PHP's
credentials as a serious tool with
I can tell you that in general, companies in Europe appears to be more
open to open-source solutions much more than ones in the US. Of course,
Europe is comprised of lots of different countries, and each country has
lots of different companies, so your mileage may vary.
In The Netherlands
-Original Message-
From: Zeev Suraski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:54 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] The future of PHP
At 01:40 31-08-01, Manuel Lemos wrote:
Whoever hears you may even believe
At 03:11 03-09-01, Valter Santos wrote:
In this company, they have choose Microsoft stuff because they think it
is the right choice for what they do. For some things, PHP could be a
better choice, but it would be hard to convince who is in charge above
me because PHP does not benefit of
: [PHP] The future of PHP
At 03:11 03-09-01, Valter Santos wrote:
In this company, they have choose Microsoft stuff because
they think it
is the right choice for what they do. For some things, PHP could be a
better choice, but it would be hard to convince who is in
charge above
me
On Friday 31 August 2001 15:22, Manuel Lemos wrote:
I actually mention PHP-GTK in my sessions. I mention it as an
anecdote, much like I mention some of the other interesting modules
and projects in PHP (e.g., PEAR). I'm really not sure why people
think I'm trying to bury PHP-GTK. Just
At 16:22 31-08-01, Manuel Lemos wrote:
Oh, man, do you really do that? That is worse than not mention it at
all. You may be joking but not everybody may understand it that way.
Doing that you ruining the credibility of those efforts that take PHP
far out what originally it was meant for. If you
At 14:52 01-09-01, Christian Reiniger wrote:
On Friday 31 August 2001 15:22, Manuel Lemos wrote:
I actually mention PHP-GTK in my sessions. I mention it as an
anecdote, much like I mention some of the other interesting modules
and projects in PHP (e.g., PEAR). I'm really not sure why
Hello,
Zeev Suraski wrote:
At 01:40 31-08-01, Manuel Lemos wrote:
Whoever hears you may even believe that Microsoft products and
supporting sites are successful because they don't have flaws. Sorry,
but honestely this sounds like an excuse for not doing it.
Microsoft chooses which sites
Php'ers:
These are great points that have been brought up (a kinda synopsis, since we
are repeating here :)
synopsis
1) some want direct marketing
2) Some believe the status quo is enough
3) all agreee php is useful as a web development tool/language
4) some agree that it can/should be more
Actually this originally started (If you're referring to the thread itself)
with my question as to what to tell my JSP-loving buddy that PHP isn't an
antiquated and dying language/processing system.
I NEVER would have thought it was balloon into this conversation!
On 8/31/2001 10:29 AM this was
looks bright.
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of the language are focusing on
making the best web development language out there.
(even if it is already the best)
py
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From: Christopher CM Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [PHP] The future
I think with everyone replying to The future of PHP e-mails and putting in
their two cents, we're eventually going to raise that $100,000 in no time.
g
Yeah.. not to mention the time it takes to read or just download those
messages.
I stopped counting and started hitting the delete button.
looks bright.
The future's so bright, I need to wear shades.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Bottom line I'm hearing: The Dev team has no more hours to give, and is
focussing on what they believe is right. If somebody wants to sink
time/money into this, go for it.
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Subject: Re: [PHP] The future of PHP
Manuel,
Rather than whining about the future of PHP, why don't you be proactive
and
take on the goal of raising the $100,000 for the project?
Fred Steinkopf
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In article 010001c1311e$d86ebb40$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew A. Schneider) wrote:
Rather than whining about the future of PHP, why don't you be proactive
and take on the goal of raising the $100,000 for the project?
Although Fred's comments appear rhetorical, the
: Re: [PHP] The future of PHP or my 2 cents
In article 010001c1311e$d86ebb40$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew A. Schneider) wrote:
Rather than whining about the future of PHP, why don't you be proactive
and take on the goal of raising the $100,000 for the project?
Although
Can small business live from e-commerce today?
What is the relevance of your question? Do businesses live from
their telephone? Whether they do or not, they need it in either case.
AFAIK, it costs a lot more money to have any start and operate a
e-commerce business than a telephone.
(Even though I didn't understand quite how shared objects work. g )
Like, I only did it once, and it was GD, and about 80% of the time it puked
trying to display an image, but...
Basically, if you compile using --with-apxs in the first place, and then you
re-compile from source using that
This has strayed off-topic a bit. Unless you're into music and/or business
planning for e-commerce, you probably should hit delete now...
How about this one, doing *EXTREMELY* well selling CDs online:
http://CDBaby.com/
Of course, that has almost nothing to do with his choice of PHP
On Thu, 30 Aug 2001 02:52:33 -0500, Richard Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Which dot-bomb had a business plan, with a revenue model, which did *NOT*
involve going into heavy debt and blowing huge piles of VC money for several
years in a market-share grab on the Internet, where the barrier to
Manuel,
I started answering your letter point by point, but stopped, as it wouldn't
have gotten us anywhere.
I'm sorry if sharing my (IMHO very realistic) estimate of the PHP world
seemed like an insult to you or anybody else. Not everything that is done
in the PHP world is of good quality.
Hello Zeev,
Zeev Suraski wrote:
Manuel,
I started answering your letter point by point, but stopped, as it wouldn't
have gotten us anywhere.
I'm sorry if sharing my (IMHO very realistic) estimate of the PHP world
seemed like an insult to you or anybody else. Not everything that is
Message-
From: Manuel Lemos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 6:40 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] The future of PHP
Hello Zeev,
Zeev Suraski wrote:
Manuel,
I started answering your letter point by point, but stopped, as it
wouldn't
have gotten us
At 01:40 31-08-01, Manuel Lemos wrote:
Whoever hears you may even believe that Microsoft products and
supporting sites are successful because they don't have flaws. Sorry,
but honestely this sounds like an excuse for not doing it.
Microsoft chooses which sites it links from microsoft.com *very*
: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: [PHP] The future of PHP
These guys resort to these marketing tricks to promote Python as hell,
and the PHP people just sits and waits doing almost nothing in
comparision to promote PHP as hard as they can even when they lives
depend
At 05:21 29-08-01, Manuel Lemos wrote:
If when you mean pro-active you mean that's intentional and is all part
of a plan,
then we agree. If you acted somehow to promote PHP and got some
unexpected results
(good or bad) that is still marketing although not pro-active.
Regardless of this
So sprach »Manuel Lemos« am 2001-08-28 um 23:21:54 -0300 :
Man, give it some time! How long was it since Andrei released PHP-GTK?
How old is PHP now?
Exactly. And also Perl wasn't made to create GUI apps, was it? But
look how many Perl GUI apps there are out there now. Eg. all (? at
least a
Hello,
These guys resort to these marketing tricks to promote Python as hell,
and the PHP people just sits and waits doing almost nothing in
comparision to promote PHP as hard as they can even when they lives
depend on the acceptance of PHP as a wide spread language!
Manuel, please,
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 9:21 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] The future of PHP
Hello,
These guys resort to these marketing tricks to promote Python as hell,
and the PHP people just sits and waits doing almost nothing in
comparision to promote PHP
Hello,
Frederick L. Steinkopf wrote:
Manuel,
Rather than whining about the future of PHP, why don't you be proactive and
take on the goal of raising the $100,000 for the project?
Because I do not depend on the PHP future for my professional life. That
is a role for PHP core developers that
Hello,
one assumption you seem to have is the ongoing viability of php (if not
the very livelihood of we the developers using php) is somehow a function
of the number of folks who know what php is. that somehow the more folks
know about php, the better php gets. it also seems that you feel
At 15:19 29-08-01, Alexander Skwar wrote:
So sprach »Manuel Lemos« am 2001-08-28 um 23:21:54 -0300 :
Man, give it some time! How long was it since Andrei released PHP-GTK?
How old is PHP now?
Exactly. And also Perl wasn't made to create GUI apps, was it? But
look how many Perl GUI apps
If you read my messages in the thread from the beginning you can see
that basically the current problems of PHP in its acceptance are more
with the people view of PHP than about its technical abilities. It is a
known fact that PHP is very good for Web programming. The problem is
that not
I attended one of your conferences / training sessions, the Linux Conference in NYC,
and I have to say it was excellent, and certainly motivational. Through that one day
of your speech it motivated me enough to get off my bum and start using PHP in our
environment for whatever we possibly
Damn, I wish I had read that thre was this event in Toronto, I would have
liked to attend! :)
- Linux User Group in Toronto, Canada
I agree, suggestion and constructive criticism are fine but lets not start
attacking the guys who have put in countless hours to make PHP what it is
today. I'm
So sprach »Zeev Suraski« am 2001-08-29 um 19:43:15 +0300 :
very useful, especially to people who already know PHP. However, assuming
that it would ever catch a significant share of the GUI market is naive,
IMHO.
Well, my point was, that at the beginning of the Perl-GTK binding,
noone would
Hello Zeev,
Zeev Suraski wrote:
If you are going to descriminate sites based on subjective criteria,
like matters of taste or points of view that vary greatly from person to
person, that is bad because you will certainly leave out contributions
that could help greatly PHP and in the end
At 20:23 29-08-01, Alexander Skwar wrote:
However, I don't think it's right to say that this will never ever
happen, like you do. And I also do think, that it's counter-productive
from you to say something like this. I mean, it would be okay (with
me), if you kinda ignored this. But what's so
Message-
From: Ninety-Nine Ways To Die [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 11:18 AM
To: Manuel Lemos; Rasmus Lerdorf
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] The future of PHP
I attended one of your conferences / training sessions, the Linux Conference in NYC
Hello,
Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
If you read my messages in the thread from the beginning you can see
that basically the current problems of PHP in its acceptance are more
with the people view of PHP than about its technical abilities. It is a
known fact that PHP is very good for Web
So sprach »Zeev Suraski« am 2001-08-29 um 20:32:32 +0300 :
What I *am* saying is that GUI apps are not PHP's main strength, and thus,
should not be its main focus. If we try to push and market PHP, we should
pick reasonable objectives - and pushing it as a platform is much more
attainable
29, 2001 11:04 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] The future of PHP
Grrr !! same for me, I never knew you were in Montreal,
- Linux Expo - Montreal, Canada
Now I see why the calandar is so useful on php.net !!
py
p.s. in june I was probably too busy at the jazz festival tho
The talks that you give are for people that already know about PHP.
No they aren't. As I said in my message, the seminar series I did were
specifically for people who knew nothing about PHP and it was presented
alongside other technologies. But yes, the people would have to have had
some
Could we cool it down a little ... maybe let a day go by before hitting
Send once more on this thread?
Attacking Rasmus and Zeev is counterproductive, and it's starting to sound
pretty hostile. The whole PHP development team is doing a fantastic job.
(Even though I didn't understand quite
/
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From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 2:10 PM
To: Manuel Lemos
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] The future of PHP
The talks that you give are for people that already know about PHP.
No they aren't. As I said in my
Hello Zeev,
Zeev Suraski wrote:
At 23:02 26-08-01, Manuel Lemos wrote:
I don't think we have the same understanding of what is marketing. For
me, marketing is being proactive in terms of promoting something before
the potential market. Seeing people advocating PHP or analysts covering
PHP
Hello,
Julio Nobrega Trabalhando wrote:
Hi Manuel,
Great post. I enjoyed the part where you said it would be a good idea to
do some 'competition' with php programmers, sponsored by some company.
Actually, what I was suggested was not invented. It seems some body with
great interest
These guys resort to these marketing tricks to promote Python as hell,
and the PHP people just sits and waits doing almost nothing in
comparision to promote PHP as hard as they can even when they lives
depend on the acceptance of PHP as a wide spread language!
Manuel, please, give this
--On Tuesday, August 28, 2001 11:42 PM -0300 Manuel Lemos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
These guys resort to these marketing tricks to promote Python as hell,
and the PHP people just sits and waits doing almost nothing in
comparision to promote PHP as hard as they can even when they lives
depend
At 08:07 27-08-01, Robin Chen wrote:
This is very true. I have a few ideas that I want to sell, but the only
way that I can do it with PHP is to give out the source, and the user is
expected to know how to install PHP and set up the script. If I can
compile the PHP script, then I can sell the
So sprach »Zeev Suraski« am 2001-08-27 um 09:40:40 +0300 :
Regarding source code hiding, you can use the Zend Encoder. Pricing wise,
the lowest you can get it for right now is $50/month, which may be too high
for certain developers.
Uhm, really? I mean, if you don't make $50/month, the
Hi Manuel,
Great post. I enjoyed the part where you said it would be a good idea to
do some 'competition' with php programmers, sponsored by some company.
For example, most times when I want a php script, either I go to
Hotscripts.com or Sourceforge.net.
Sf.net, by rebound, makes me
At 12:46 27-08-01, Alexander Skwar wrote:
So sprach »Zeev Suraski« am 2001-08-27 um 09:40:40 +0300 :
Regarding source code hiding, you can use the Zend Encoder. Pricing wise,
the lowest you can get it for right now is $50/month, which may be too
high
for certain developers.
Uhm, really?
At 05:36 26-08-01, Manuel Lemos wrote:
The first problem is technical. You just keep developing PHP to satisfy
the user needs as soon as you perceive them and that's it.
I think we're doing that nicely, but it's quite true that meeting the
technical needs is not enough.
The second problem is
Hello,
Zeev Suraski wrote:
At 05:36 26-08-01, Manuel Lemos wrote:
The first problem is technical. You just keep developing PHP to satisfy
the user needs as soon as you perceive them and that's it.
I think we're doing that nicely, but it's quite true that meeting the
technical needs is
At 23:02 26-08-01, Manuel Lemos wrote:
I don't think we have the same understanding of what is marketing. For
me, marketing is being proactive in terms of promoting something before
the potential market. Seeing people advocating PHP or analysts covering
PHP here and there is not proactive at all.
This is very true. I have a few ideas that I want to sell, but the only
way that I can do it with PHP is to give out the source, and the user is
expected to know how to install PHP and set up the script. If I can
compile the PHP script, then I can sell the executables. The users
would only
As a small business owner (partner, actually), I can address this question
below:
Manuel Lemos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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AFAIK, it costs a lot more money to have any start and operate a
e-commerce business than a telephone. What is the
hi
rasmus: PHP is not marketed the way Java and .NET is. There are no
multi-billion
dollar corporations behind PHP and asking us, and apparently me
personally, to make that happen is unrealistic;
true, but who can afford java and .net? oracle..., certainly not the small
and medium size
Good Morning(CST USA here :))
PHP is represented at every important technical conference right alongside
Perl and Python. When you hear someone talk about scripting languages,
they will usually say Perl, Python and PHP. I don't see any problem with
the current state of PHP marketing in
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-Original Message-
From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 1:52 AM
To: Manuel Lemos
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] The future of PHP
So
Hmmm. Manuel what's that you're smoking? Where can I get some?
M
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From: Manuel Lemos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 24 August 2001 20:30
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] The future of PHP
Hello,
Egan wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:34:04 -0300
Hello Rasmus,
Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
So, it is very hard to convince the anybody to bet all the farm in PHP.
You may have the technical arguments, but is not enough, I'm afraid.
You in particular, may not need to convince others to bet on PHP, but it
is nothing like that for most
Hello,
Christopher Cm Allen wrote:
I'm afraid that PHP is not yet very credible in that world. The truth is
there is not great marketing force behind PHP like there is Sun behind
Java or Microsoft behind .Net
Good point, and how does one go about marketing a language that is
Hello,
Egan wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 20:32:10 -0500, Christopher CM Allen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hmmm, I might live in a smaller world than you but I find tons of small to
middle businesses that have no clue as to why or how things are done in
applications(primarily web). Sure they
On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:34:04 -0300, Manuel Lemos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Many small businesses would like to do e-commerce, but can't afford
expensive consultants, expensive hardware, and expensive software
tools developed by huge corporations.
e-commerce? You mean B2C? Can small business
-Original Message-
From: Egan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 2:53 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] The future of PHP
On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:34:04 -0300, Manuel Lemos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Many small businesses would like to do e-commerce
Hello,
Egan wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:34:04 -0300, Manuel Lemos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Many small businesses would like to do e-commerce, but can't afford
expensive consultants, expensive hardware, and expensive software
tools developed by huge corporations.
e-commerce? You
. I want it to grow as much as you do. Thanks
:)
-Original Message-
From: Manuel Lemos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 12:57 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] The future of PHP
Hello,
Christopher Cm Allen wrote:
I'm afraid that PHP is not yet very
On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:30:04 -0300, Manuel Lemos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Can small business live from e-commerce today?
What is the relevance of your question? Do businesses live from
their telephone? Whether they do or not, they need it in either case.
Do you really believe that? As far
Manuel Lemos wrote:
Do you really believe that? As far as I can recall, this recession
started when a mean judge convicted Microsoft for anti-trust
practices. That caused NASDAQ crash that scared people away from
investing in tech company stocks. Many Internet companies dried and
without
On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:40:47 -0500, Navid Yar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Until Linux gets better at certain things, I think I have no choice but
to stick with Windows for now (especially in the design area).
True enough, for now.
Steam locomotives were an impressive technology, deeply entrenched
On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 20:54:33 +0100, Sean C. McCarthy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also the effect that this downturn is going through all the chain, from
transportation to food and goods. And BTW most companies that caused
this were startups not really big companies. Much more information on
this
On Vie 24 Ago 2001 16:50, Egan wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:30:04 -0300, Manuel Lemos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Can small business live from e-commerce today?
What is the relevance of your question? Do businesses live from
their telephone? Whether they do or not, they need it in either
Do you really believe that? As far as I can recall, this recession
started when a mean judge convicted Microsoft for anti-trust
practices. That caused NASDAQ crash that scared people away from
investing in tech company stocks.
This is the most warped view-point I have heard...
The NASDAQ
Wait, you blame someone convicting microsoft for a recession? Give me a
break. Things were on the way out before it started.
Alan Greenspan was chasing the 'inflation' demon that didn't exist raising
interest rates when things were going great. It came back to bite him in the
arse with the
On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:25:08 -0400, Thomas Deliduka
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Wait, you blame someone convicting microsoft for a recession? Give
me a break. Things were on the way out before it started.
Was that the cause? Not really, there were many causes and that was
just one of them.
Was
He also said he likes how Java is OOP and has great error handling.
sound more of a judgement on the staffs ability to program than the capability
of the language. A great language can have crappy error handling if the
designed doesn't program it in well.
Dave
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Large corporations are like railroad steam locomotives whose era has
ended. They may continue running for a while, but in time, many will
disappear like the steam locomotive did.
hmm not according to Marx. ;p
Anyways,
back on topic, how to promote php and who is going to do it? Who is
Jeff Lewis wrote:
I actually had a talk with my boss today...
We discussed different technologies and why we chose them. The reasons we
chose Java/JSP/J2EE etc:
1) Scalability (number 1 reason)
2) Different projects like EJB etc
I had been talking about PHP a lot and he says he likes it to
I would't say that. he says it's modular and easier to code in OOP.
Jeff
-Original Message-
From: Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 6:15 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Kimsal
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [PHP] The future of PHP
He also
Can small business live from e-commerce today?
Define small.
Define e-commerce.
How about this one, doing *EXTREMELY* well selling CDs online:
http://CDBaby.com/
Of course, that has almost nothing to do with his choice of PHP (the
language he could understand the easiest) and everything to
Hello,
Egan wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:30:04 -0300, Manuel Lemos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Can small business live from e-commerce today?
What is the relevance of your question? Do businesses live from
their telephone? Whether they do or not, they need it in either case.
AFAIK,
Most of my stuff is mingled right with the HTML. Heh. I guess I haven't
advanced to the all-code-no-html formatting. :-)
Mainly it's like that because I work with a team of designers, They make the
shell of the site, I then have to fill in the code. I'm sure many of you
will say y'all do it the
Hello,
Michael Kimsal wrote:
I've asked for help on this before, and will ask again - I've got a
framework up at
phpshowcase.com which allows people to post their own project details about
PHP deployments, large and small. A growing information store there
would be one
avenue to help
Hello,
Richard Lynch wrote:
Can small business live from e-commerce today?
Define small.
Define e-commerce.
How about this one, doing *EXTREMELY* well selling CDs online:
http://CDBaby.com/
Of course, that has almost nothing to do with his choice of PHP (the
language he could
Richard Lynch wrote:
Do you really believe that? As far as I can recall, this recession
started when a mean judge convicted Microsoft for anti-trust
practices. That caused NASDAQ crash that scared people away from
investing in tech company stocks.
This is the most warped view-point I
done is in fine tuning or developing new master functions...
to each thier own
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Jeff Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 6:22 PM
To: Dave; Michael Kimsal
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [PHP] The future of PHP
I would't say
PHP can be extremely sloppy or coded extremely modularly. I think it's
a shame that
most tutorials on PHP (and ASP, from what I've experienced) show
comingling of code
and HTML - far more than we ever do in day-to-day PHP work. People get the
impression that that's the only way to do stuff, and
So, it is very hard to convince the anybody to bet all the farm in PHP.
You may have the technical arguments, but is not enough, I'm afraid.
You in particular, may not need to convince others to bet on PHP, but it
is nothing like that for most people that want to live from software
25, 2001 1:52 AM
To: Manuel Lemos
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] The future of PHP
So, it is very hard to convince the anybody to bet all the farm in PHP.
You may have the technical arguments, but is not enough, I'm afraid.
You in particular, may not need to convince others to bet
JSP is the wave of the future
As was said two years ago about Java. Does anybody still know about
Java? ;-)
Kai
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