Without good insurance, there are a lot of things you can't do and
places you can't go. We're with Chubb right now and looking into
Hartford. We have liability, EO, and an umbrella.
On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 11:12:21AM -0500, Mac Dearman wrote:
My opinion of insurance is not good!
Most radios have some sort of intermediate frequency; the chips that
process the data don't work at 5.8ghz, etc... Satellite systems work
much the same way; your 12ghz dish/directtv/fta doesn't work on an rg6
cable at that frequency.
The Alvarion BA-II tower gear has the downconverter
The NS5 two small antennnas in it, one for each polarity. They have SNR but not
I don't like. They don't currently do WPA2+WDS together very well; the firmware
improving quickly and has a lot of room for improvement, but is promising. You
radio power down lower than
? And need to
be associated to get a SNR?
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 10:34 AM
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I don't know about local stuff, but what I read about the history of
ATT Longlines is that it must have been heavily government funded for
federal defense and communications interests. Here is one example
They must have been either richer
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 08:30:23AM -0700, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
They are out to win the market, they really understand how to sling
gear to wisps =)I hope very much that they have the supply issue
fixed, and anyone who has stock can email me anytime ;-)
Anyone have betas and put them to
On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 06:50:45AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
Just for fun I ran the numbers at 600mhz.
20 dB tx from the radio, 16dB tx antenna (probably not at all reasonable due
to size and small 50ish* coverage) to a 10 dB cpe antenna. -80 at 50 miles!
Same thing with an
One of the guys at work got one, and it plain out sucked for VOIP use,
and was slightly lower quality than the normal cordless junk for normal
Basically, too many digital conversions. Goes from analog in the handset
to G726 32kbps through the air, back to analog, G729 over the Internet
We had an old 95' rohn25 tower (probably 100' with 5' in the ground)
that is 50+ years old and we took it down. It came with the site when I
bought it ten years ago. It was quickly reguyed early in my ownership
and had served us well. The old (unused) guys were crusty rusty and
brittle, so I
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 09:21:46AM -0800, D. Ryan Spott wrote:
I used to live in a small town in Northern California.
Every few months, one of the 4 translators they had running on the
ridgetop would get crystal-clear while the other 3 would be fuzzy as hell.
Finally I asked the locals
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:31:41AM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote:
I will not purchase another AP unless it is able to deliver 40 mbit of
throughput, end of story. Fortunately for me, they're out there...
Mikrotik can (though uses a lot of spectrum). Deliberant is working on it.
I believe the
100% political pandering.
Let's continue work on getting Internet of any sort to all of America,
first. That's not gonna happen for free.
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 12:20:44PM -0500, Josh Luthman wrote:
If they pay me enough I'll do it despite objections from the wireless
industry and some
I use AMD because they seem to be power efficient more often. Power is
relatively expensive here ($0.15/kwh), so it's a business issue rather
than tree hugging penance.
We've got a mix of old athlons, amd64/opterons, X2's, and now x4 phenoms
for servers. We tend to build them ourselves and
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 02:12:17AM -0600, Sam Tetherow wrote:
I don't think they are any more complex than MT in fact they are quite a
bit simpler, however where MT does shine is in the documentation. In
fact there is so much MT documentation it can be overwhelming at times.
I've busted through big drifts in a truck with a plow, and in my car.
Car is more fun, as long as it's not hard or wet snow.
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 09:28:49AM -0700, Travis Johnson wrote:
Wow... schools closed? Really? We usually have to get 12 inches or more
PLUS a big wind (20-30mph) for
I think it would make great sense. It would increase security for the
peers as well, if it could get it from a local user more often and a
less often from a potentially entertainment industry monitored source.
We also use private ASNs at sites, and we have one Internet-facing
Looks like a bigger version of the 8-bay UHF television antenna I just
ordered for OTA HD service.
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 06:33:25AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
H, wonder how far we could shoot a wifi signal with one of these? grin
This gigantic antenna system
BGP isn't that hard to get working. I am using private ASNs for sites
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 01:57:48PM -0600, Sam Tetherow wrote:
Speaking of OSPF, I've tried running it several times and sections of my
network seem to disappear from time to time. Mostly notably old RB230s
If ISPs were able to be compensated for the research and follow up for
RIAA requests, it would make the whole system completely financially
infeasible for RIAA. The reason it sort of works now is because it's
cheap and easy, despite being only partially effective, same reason spam
I'd suggest a class.
We don't put connectors on or do ends. I've taken a class on it, and
We chop a pre-made and pretested patch cord in half and splice it to
the ends of the cable run. This requires a fusion splicer and
heat shrink sleeves, wipes, cleaver, and a couple
We have a competitor that uses lots of them and they seem well made.
Seems to be an expensive way to get wifi or b/g signal around. They can
be synchronized and run on a single frequency, which is a bonus.
I'd rather use other gear with antennas chosen for the gain, coverage,
and polarity of
If the cable is stretched too, it's probably roofers.
If some object hit it, there is probably some paint rubbing, gouge, or
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 01:38:13PM -0800, CHUCK PROFITO wrote:
No way. Someone just grabbed the outside and started twisting and racking
I'll second opensrs.
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 03:40:49PM -0500, Patrick Shoemaker wrote:
What companies are the operators here using for domain registration? I
am looking to transfer my customers' domains to a new registrar. I am
looking for a credible US-based company that does not have a
Bruce Kushnick does his homework and is a good read. I got his
Unauthorized bio of the baby bells when it first came out.
He's a knowledgeable investigator, not a geeky journalist who couldn't
get a regular tech job with their english degree.
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 08:28:08PM -0800, Jack
I'm all for having someone else pay for expensive infrastructure, but I
hope that if the feds go forward with something like this, it's done
differently than the RUS system. It's easier to do business my way and
pay a tiny bit more for money from a bank, than to do all the RUS
The Alvarion can go faster with an inexpensive software speed change key.
They aren't free unfortunately, but still a little cheaper than a
The VL radios can be upgraded inhouse to have connectors for antennas.
If you have any broken VL AUs or B backhaul radios, you
I bought some gabriel dishes probably 8-10 years ago, and they all failed, so
gabriel gave us a deal on new feedhorns, and most of them have since failed
too. Perhaps things are better now. We had one fail this past winter, and
just took it off the tower this summer. We just tossed the dish and
Telcodata.us has some info such as CO information and who's in the COs. You
can use the web interface or buy the whole database of them for a modest
subscription. I don't know of any good information about wirecenter
boundaries. I'd be interested as wirecenter boundaries would be good to
I'd suggest looking at the various solar charge controllers. We've bought
morningstar ones from altestore.com
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 01:53:52PM -0400, Jerry Richardson wrote:
Also, anything else that is lower cost that is reliable?
Any AGM chargers that have LVD built in?
How about using
Anyone use their routers? I'm wondering if they overstate their performance
greatly or if they are conservative in their promises.
I'm considering using one to replace an aging Cisco. The Cisco has been
reliable, but it's running out of steam with 150mbit going through it pretty
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 03:12:35PM -0500, Butch Evans wrote:
On Fri, 2009-10-23 at 15:29 -0400, jp wrote:
Anyone use their routers? I'm wondering if they overstate their performance
greatly or if they are conservative in their promises.
I'm considering using one to replace an aging
I've got a wi-ex zboost yx500-cel at home and it works great to bring
cellular into my home which is otherwise a dead-zone.
Now, since we're the local gurus of all thing wireless, one of our
customers is wanting something comparable for a larger area in an rf
unfriendly building (large metal
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote:
Tessco should be able to engineer a solution for you.
On 10/26/09, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote:
I've got a wi-ex zboost yx500-cel
I'd change the LMR jumper and/or feedhorn. There's a strong chance there
is water in the jumper and changing it might fix it. There's also a
chance that the feedhorn has failed. If you end up changing the
feedhorn, consider putting a radome on the dish to protect the feedhorn
Yep, use shielded ethernet cable and there won't be problems. Even use
Being they are not doing for money, the amatuer crowd is also somewhat apt
to ignore OSHA and many of the modern safety concepts like fall protection.
Unless you specify your safety requirements, you might
Wait till you get a couple people doing netflix or hulu, 3 sectors instead
of 2 isn't a huge investment, and you'll have a lot more choices for
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 03:54:38PM -0500, Mark McElvy wrote:
I have one of my towers that has grown to 32 subs, This is a MT ap and
Ask your local autobody folks. Any sort of chemical paint remover is probably
long as you don't let it seep or run too much. The solar panels are simply
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 02:51:07PM -0600, Randy Cosby wrote:
I have a couple solar panels on a water
Is the interference to you or to the TV signal?
What is grounded and where? Perhaps you are causing a ground loop by doing
differently than they did or something?
If to the TV signal ? Are you using shielded cat5e cabling and grounding an end
shield drain wire?
Just a little mad. Antennas and cable do fail. That's something you need to
your fault tolerance. We've seen stuff fail from pac wireless, gabriel,
The whole price range. We've also seen MTI ones fail when struck by lightning.
As far as sectors go, there is often
We own the CPE radio in 95% of our installs and the router in probably
80%. Nobody wants finger pointing when things stop working. If we think
it's the CPE causing an outage, we just replace it no questions asked,
no fussing over who's fault it or coordinating amongst the customer and
Some of their better managed switches do these things. Perhaps it's an
incentive for people to who value those features to go upmarket a little.
I do love their switches. I mostly buy used ones.
I think the 26xx series can allow you to label ports. All the
telnet/snmp manageable ones allow
is a pretty good overview of vlan implementation.
We use vlans to keep data separate on the same switch and reduce
broadcasts, scope of mistakes, etc... A MT router might use VLANs to
create separate interfaces (all over
Bankrupt Fairpoint backbilling and threatening an ISP/CLEC because
Fairpoint doesn't want to continue an interconnection agreement.
It's a bit sensationalized (according to my conversation with the ISP in
the story), but shows how
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 09:17:58AM -0800, MDK wrote:
I guess you could call me lucky in that I have access to darn good rates.
I'm currently at $60/mbit and working to see if my provider will give me a
break for doubling my commit.
Continued business with you should be important. If you
probably don't have the same grief.
We still reserve 900 as a last option, as it's slower and more expensive
than line-of-sight options.
From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:32 AM
To: WISPA General
I think it's something about 2x2 rocketM that is better. The only
bullets I really like are Wolf Match Target in .22LR; they are almost as
hard find in stock in any quantity.
This is a 13 mile link using dual polarity dishes, a 2' on one end, 3'
on the other, going over water. One end has
Cat3 == phone line
phone line != Cat3
Phone wiring doesn't even have to make the scale of categories.
A lot of the phone wiring is put in daisy chained with wire nuts, by
electricians, homeowners, etc...
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 01:12:10PM -0800, Forbes Mercy wrote:
We currently run a Cat5
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 12:06:37PM -0500, RickG wrote:
Those old phone line units could only do 1Mbps.
My question was: Can anyone show me reliable equipment that will do 100Mbps+
on cat 3? Not according to this:
I've bought these to run routerOS very successfully:
looks like they have a newer faster version too. I haven't tried this
As you can see they are fanless and have a laptop style
I haven't tried MT 4.x yet, but the other 3.x frequency scan only showed
802.11 stuff with the same channel size too. For a half way useful scan,
you'd have to scan on 5,10,20,40 mhz channel sizes and compile the
results yourself. They've traditionally been weak on spectrum analysis
We use this for setting up VL radios, including speed. If you want to automate
it, just use $1,
$2 as command line variables instead of reading in answers from questions. Then
include it in a loop that cycles through a database generated list.
I wish more manufacturers actually knew
Another option would be to split into two companies to keep them the
A installation subcontracting company that loses you money might be good
for your taxes.
On Sat, Dec 05, 2009 at 05:50:02PM -0700, Travis Johnson wrote:
What are everyone else's plans if this new health
I don't think an rb14 can handle the power need of multiple XR cards.
I'd suggest unless you have a good reason besides saving $100, either
use routerboards or stick to manufactured radio systems from a reputable
and reliable manufacturer.
You pay more money or give up a little flexibility,
I run a Maine WISP, and we use the state government choice health
We feel providing health insurance is an important benefit to attracting
and retaining quality workers of all ages, especially young ones with
families. I idealogically disfavor our states plan, but it saved us
We've noticed 5.8 grids are far more affected by icing than 2.4 or 900.
Ice buildup isn't different, just attenuation is.
We stick to solid dishes or flat panels for 5.8.
On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 11:05:01AM -0500, Michael Baird wrote:
I've been testing a few 5.8 grids for some p2p applications
We just got some rocket5m stock. We needed 2, but ordered 6 because we
never know where/when more might be in stock. It's guys like us that
cause inventory to fluctuate on the demand side. I do hope they improve
in their supply. Until then, the gear is cheap enough that we'll
continue to order
It's a mix of miracles, talent, and deparation.
Usually when the state government gets involved, Fairpoint (or whoever
owns the phone company this week) manages to use their role in
government to screw things up good. It's a miracle that didn't happen
The backers AND planners
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It's a mix of miracles, talent, and deparation
Working with GWI beats working with Fairpoint. They are a skilled and
fair project leader. Any participant will have the same advantages
provided by the project and could tap in at any splice point on the
rings. I counter that it's not a monopoly if no provider can have more
than 25% of it.
I would suggest trying it on a small project or two first.
I've not been satisfied with the normal nanostation gear for urban/suburban
use. The rocketm's have been great for ptp backhaul so far, despite some manual
tweeking to override their software's distance ack shortcoming.
On Sat, Dec 19,
Your plan sounds good.
We have a guy take the radios and a laptop up to the third floor of our
building where we have LOS to multiple APs of ours of multiple technologies.
He'll make them associate, evaluate signal levels, run some traffic over it,
and if it's good, set it back to defaults.
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 09:24:34PM -0500, Matt Liotta wrote:
That doesn't seem inline with any of the RFPs. Generally speaking, the
carriers that want TDM only want it for voice and generally don't
require more than 5 T1s for voice. Almost all of the carriers now seek
Ethernet for for
We've been using the pacw wideband dual pole 2' and 3' solid dishes.
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 01:13:26AM -0500, Scott Carullo wrote:
What antenna of choice are you using for rockets jp?
On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 05:28:49PM -0600, Wallace Walcher wrote:
Having built my WISP from scratch with my own resources and currently being
debt free in my operations, I often wonder who the people are who so quickly
classify Mikrotik and Ubiquity gear as trash. I am making a very good
I can make change by either math or the count to 100 method, but I'll
stick up for the guy a little bit. After taking 5 calculus classes,
differential equations, discrete mathematics, and algorithms, my ability
to do simple addition and subtraction was permanently impaired. I
I think it's probably a case of the ISP wanting to get it feet wet and
prove itself. The'll do it right, get some press, and apply for a bigger
project in another round.
On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 11:12:33PM -0500, Tom DeReggi wrote:
Yes, that is a very good point. BUT... He can use the profit
There was one firmware version where the adaptive modulation didn't
adapt back up properly. I'd also add making sure the firmware is up to
On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 12:35:40PM -0500, Tom DeReggi wrote:
You are doing the right thing targetting a -60 rssi. We design most of our
I'd go for HP procurve. Lifetime warranty to prove the cisco like quality.
documentation. Free software upgrades for life. New/Used doesn't really matter.
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 09:24:06PM -0800, Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm
Done, and I'm not an easy pushover for donations. Haiti is our neighbor
and to say they need help is an understatement.
These helpful firsthand recommendations for aid wouldn't be possible
without the Internet. Getting the money routed and people organized
wouldn't be efficient without the
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 08:50:47AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
I put up my first solar site 3 weeks ago. Today it's gone. $3,000 in
What do you guys do to secure them?
Two of mine are on islands. You'd have to have a real nice boat to get
to them. That
We've got an older HP (now agilent) spectrum analyzer that does up to
22ghz. Most people don't know how to use it. I had plenty of experience
with O-scopes, and obtained a manual for it, so I'm comfortable with it.
The average 25 year old geek would be lost after turning it on.
During high school and college, I had a nice summer job repairing and
final testing some expensive government electronics. It used skills I
already had, rather than anything from college. The people involved in
building what I tested and fixed didn't have any electronics education.
I'd first check for the stuff electricians mount buried entrance
conduits to the pole with like used for the plastic conduit in this
We mounted a couple antennas to a pole using a pole-pipe mounting kit
Roadside SLC/wiring cabinet.
We're looking to do some wireless in the neighborhood here. Looks like
the phone company has a tough time just keeping dialtone working
here. Judging by the ducttape marks on the
I like the tripplite APS 700hf/750/1250 gear.
We've got sites with 2 big batteries that should be good for 24 hours
I put one at my house after going through 2 APC UPSs in 8 years.
We put them everywhere we need long run time, and add batteries for
places where it's impractical to
We are using BGP internally on Mikrotik with good success instead of
OSPF. I've never done OSPF on it, as my network isn't entirely star
shaped like OSPF is said to be created for. There is a range of private
BGP AS numbers for such applications. Each site's router gets an ASN and
are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:01 AM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote:
We are using BGP internally on Mikrotik with good success instead of
OSPF. I've never done OSPF on it, as my network isn't entirely star
shaped like OSPF is said
Crossroads got RUS money in my area, even though they overlap various
providers. We had filed in response to their public notice too. I didn't
push it as they are now contracted to be a tenant on one of my towers
if they actually deploy.
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 05:45:22PM -0600, Scottie Arnett
I'm not sure of the process for updating the map. Midcoast Internet is
what I presume to be the circle over Rockland ME. We actually cover a
much bigger area. We go from Belfast at the north, SE to harborside,
south over the ocean to Matinicus, west over the ocean to Monhegan, NW
to bath, NE
We like redundant when it's too much trouble or logistics to quickly
repair one link. A redundant link is good when the problem is 260' up a
tower that's a 90 minute drive away. Usually I have the spare link
turned off in the AP to conserve spectrum. We are often tight on
spectrum for 5.8ghz
Dodge Caravans are indeed good under-rated vehicles. We used to have one
and kept it till the automatic transmission broke, which is apparently
inevitable. Our had racks inside, roof rack, all white, big logo, etc...
The 4cyl and small-v6 ones are quite efficient. FWD with snow tires are
The Cable companies do CAD/GIS drawings prior to rebuilds and
construction so the subcontractors know what goes where and to obtain
pole access and make ready work. I'm sure these drawings are not
publicly accessible, and they'd probably not want to share them.
Some phone companies have
the kind of map that can be
generated from this kind of data. I'm sure Brian could work his GIS magic
if we were able to locate the raw data.
Intelligent Computing Solutions
From: jp j
I'd spend the generator budget on more batteries and panels.
I'd now rather save generators for place where power use is great, and strings
of batteries for places where power use is low and access is difficult.
On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 09:59:57AM -0700, Randy Cosby wrote:
We are facing two simultaneous issues at some of our sites. I'm sure
we're not the only ones with such dilemas.
1. We've run out of 5.8ghz spectrum. This can be addressed by
changing to 5.4ghz or 3.65ghz for some of the shorter backhauls.
2. The normal 5ghz upto-45mbps stuff isn't fast enough
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:33:41PM -0600, Charles Wu wrote:
For one of our busy sites right now, we have two 5ghz links to it in
order to have good speed, as one wasn't enough (and the redundancy was a
good byproduct). I would love a few cost effective 2 mile links that
don't need licensing,
I haven't gotten anything yet, and I have an agreement with them for them to be
Here's some older news though I dug up on them:
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:28:14AM -0600, Blake Bowers wrote:
Just got my notice of
Our state has a rural connectivity program that is part of our state's
utility commission and is preparing for the potential for federal
funding. They were interested in mapping, data, and projects. They asked
ISPs in the state for our suggestions...
Here's what I sent in:
The ISPs around the
Visual aids are worth a thousand words.
A photoshopping of your gear on their tower.
Bring some gear too. This antenna I'm holding is big because it has to
pick up such a weak signal, the federally regulated signals are 5x
weaker than the cell phone you carry on your body See the drawings
We utilize both muni and private locations for wireless sites.
Private is by far the easiest to work with. Everyone shares the same
goals, the organizational leaders change less frequently. There is less
politics, things happen faster.
We can not avoid dealing with municipalities though. I
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 10:54:21AM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote:
I would prefer funds be made available to companies:
with annual revenues of $1M or less from Internet services
What's wrong with exceeding $1 million revenues? I've done so for a
while, and I'm sure a bunch of other good
I would definitely seal a Ubiquiti Bullet if I put one outside, regardless of
they their marketing says. Too many times, I have seen marketing departments
show radios on a mast with blue indoor cat5 coming out, shiny unsealed coax
connections, 80f, dry and sunny, etc...
They have good
several sections of that stuff gets heavy. I pushed 100' up the inside
of a tower once. We used it for the power cable coming down from a
windmill. Dropped a weight on a fishing line for the pull string pull.
On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 02:26:21PM -0500, RickG wrote:
I stacked 15 - 20' sections of
The nicer the antenna, the more critical the aim is. A cheap 900 sector
will create a forgiving coverage pattern. A nice one like Tiltek or MTI
will have a well defined coverage pattern in the vertical direction.
Personally, I wouldn't put 900 that high on a tower, as it would receive
We don't do this, as we have radios at various heights on the tower.
Here is an example of our antennas being at different heights:
This uses mostly coax except for hoz antenna on a standoff which uses
I don't post on DSLreports, but here's my opinions with the various stories
mentioned here and the sometimes illinformed commenters.
1. Painting all broadband providers as greedy isn't accurate. Greed is part of
the problem, but not all of it. Nothing unique about that regardless of the
I have not used MTI omnis. I have used their 900 horizontal sectors
though. They are rugged and have clean cuttoff in the vertical pattern,
good for sites where accurate downtilt is important to prevent
interference. Performance is good as expected, probably comparable to
What exactly does the FCC logo (captial F, capital C, lowercase C
inside the big C) mean on a piece of electronics?
I've got a circuit board here (not a radio, but a networking device)
with the FCC logo on it and am wondering how to find out it's
certification information if that's important.
This happens right in my house. Since installing lots of extra ethernet
wiring, my ability to scan in the 2m and 150mhz areas has definitely
been hindered by all the off noisy channels. It happened because I
haven't bothered to use shielded cat5 at home.
At tower sites, we use shielded only.
That's definitely overlooked. We basically don't have a choice and CAN'T
install anymore backhauls in the 5.7-5.8 band at many of our tower sites
as the spectrum just isn't available. It's used for a mix of p2mp or ptp
links. And it's been that way for many years for us.
We have freed up some
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