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Bill! Been away from the computer for a while so haven't had chance to respond to a few posts. If I make it out to Thailand I'd be honoured to catch up with you and shoot the breeze. I've bought tickets for Bali and India, but I'm holding back on the Nepal (Himalayas) and SE Asia leg of the jou

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. I hope you will find an improved place. --- On Tue, 19/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 19 October, 2010, 5:02 PM  

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ED,   Does killing the Buddha resolve the problem of whether you should jump off the precipice, or turn back to avoid killing your self?   Anthony --- On Tue, 19/10/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. To:

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n Mon, 18/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 18 October, 2010, 10:10 AM Anthony, If my statement was indeed contradictory, espe

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Anthony, "If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him ." signifies: "[Zen is] a special transmission outside of the scriptures, No reliance on words and letters, A direct pointing to the heart/mind of man, And the realization of enlightenment." --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com,

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in my school and I won't think in your church. To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 19 October, 2010, 6:05 AM     Anthony,   Anthony, My position is: The data required to determine the truth or falsity of karma/retribution or rebirth is not currently available (and will never be

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s1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 18 October, 2010, 10:10 AM   Anthony, If my statement was indeed contradictory, especially if illogical, that wouldn’t bother me. I know there a

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Anthony, Anthony, My position is: The data required to determine the truth or falsity of karma/retribution or rebirth is not currently available (and will never be available.) --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wrote: > > ED, > Your agnostic position is as much as to ta

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Easier said than done. The best way to kill all discursive thinking is to become a zombie.   Anthony --- On Mon, 18/10/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 18 October, 201

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Kristy,   It is easy to make them go on the same road. Just repeat the Mantra: you are illusion, you are illusion...   Anthony --- On Mon, 18/10/10, Kristy McClain wrote: From: Kristy McClain Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. To:

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: From: ED Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 18 October, 2010, 9:26 AM   ED: do not know whether karma /retribution or rebirth are true conceptions or not. Anthony: I don't know either.

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Anthony, Let go of discursive thinking, one female German zen master (who had the Inka of a well-known Japanese Zen master), sugggested to me in Dokusan at a sesshin, some three decades ago. --ED PS: She was as strict as a Prussian General, and commanded us not to move at all - even when our

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Ed, I believe it is all three.Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ED Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 10:42 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. tru

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: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. ED, Are you also a non-believer in karma/rebirth/retribution? Anthony --- On Sun, 17/10/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my sch

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63.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 17 October, 2010, 5:05 PM Anthony, I believe spiritual truths are unknowable because there are no spiritual truths. …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoo

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  *bows*   I doubt they would be on the same road in the first place. Maybe Socrates and Nietzche.  But then, I have a lot of reading undone.  k --- On Sun, 10/17/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. To:

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Anthony, Kill all discursive thinking, one female German zen master (who had the Inka of a well-known Japanese Zen master), sugggested to me in a sesshin Dokusan some three decades ago. --ED PS: She was as strict as a Prussian General, and commanded us not to move at all - even when our noses

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ED: do not know whether karma /retribution or rebirth are true conceptions or not. Anthony: I don't know either. But any better theory? ED: I cannot see how anyone could hold a position different from mine. Can you? --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wrote: > > ED, > > I don't k

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ED, When you stand on the brink of a precipice, who do you kill? Anthony --- On Mon, 18/10/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 18 October, 201

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ky, you do what you like. If not, better watch out. Nobody can change luck. Not even God. What is your view? Anthony --- On Mon, 18/10/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 18

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Bill, Your assertions exemplify the simplicity, parsimony, clarity and straighforwardness that one might expect from a person who has steeped himelf in zen practice. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Ed, > > One is a single agnostic. Two would be a pair of agnostics. Three o

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To Stalin, a million of anything were just a statistic. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wrote: > > Stalin says, 'one agnostic shakes the world, but a million agnostics are just a statistic.' > > Anthony Current Book Discussion: a

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Anthony, As the saying goes, if you see Socrates and the Buddha on the road, kill both. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wrote: > > ED/Bill, > > In a discussion like this, I tend to follow Socrates' statement: 'I know I don't know, while fools don't know they don't know.' B

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Anthony, Skeptic or agnostic with respect to what conceptions: God, the Judeo-Christian-Islamic-God, rebirth, karma, after-life, other dimensions of existence like heaveny worlds and hell worlds, non-physical entities like angels, ... ? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wro

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Anthony, karma: the effects of a person's actions that determine his destiny in his next incarnation truth: a fact that has been verified I do not know whether karma /retribution or rebirth are true conceptions or not. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wrote: > > ED, > >

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Stalin says, 'one agnostic shakes the world, but a million agnostics are just a statistic.' Anthony --- On Sun, 17/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. To: Zen_F

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ED/Bill, In a discussion like this, I tend to follow Socrates' statement: 'I know I don't know, while fools don't know they don't know.' But when I stand on a precipice, I had better know better. Anthony --- On Sun, 17/10/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: [Ze

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Anthony Wu Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 7:15 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.     ED, Agnostic, if I understand correctly, means sceptic. If so, I can be tolerant. If you and Bill go further to bec

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ED,   According to Google, Sceptic: doubter close to non-believer. Agnostic: doubter not believing or non-believing.   Based on the definition, are you the former or the latter?   Anthony --- On Sun, 17/10/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won'

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ED,   Are you also a non-believer in karma/rebirth/retribution?   Anthony --- On Sun, 17/10/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 17 October, 2010, 10:50 AM   Anthony,

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truth: a fact that has been verified; a conformity to reality or actuality; knowledge: cognition - the psychological result of perception and learning and reasoning belief: any cognitive content held as true Bill, "There is only one Truth, and that is Just THIS!" Is this a personal truth,

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: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. Bill, Next question: What sort of agnostic is one? --ED "Strong agnosticism or positive agnosticism is the belief that it is impossible for humans to know whether or not any deities exist. It is a broader

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Bill, Next question: What sort of agnostic is one? --ED "Strong agnosticism or positive agnosticism is the belief that it is impossible for humans to know whether or not any deities exist. It is a broader view than weak agnosticism , which states that the existence or nonexistence of

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Very good answer Bill!.  I like the most the expression "comrades"..Hehehe...!!! --- On Sun, 17/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.

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hs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 16 October, 2010, 10:56 AM Mike, I gave you incorrect information. The map is on the CONTACT Page. Click th

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: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. ED, Agnostic, if I understand correctly, means sceptic. If so, I can be tolerant. If you and Bill go further to become an unbeliever, I will summon a jihad. Anthony ---

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Anthony, I think not. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Aagnostic&btnG=Search http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Askeptic&btnG=Search

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Anthony, I think not. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&&sa=X&ei=Jma6TOv5E5SqsAOk47GpDw&ved=0\ CAQQBSgA&q=define%3Askeptic&spell=1 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&&sa=X&ei=Jma6T

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Anthony, I *am* a non-believer in the Abrahmic (Jewish-Christian-Islamic) God-conception. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wrote: > > ED, > > Agnostic, if I understand correctly, means sceptic. If so, I can be tolerant. If you and Bill go further to become an unbeliever, I

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ED, Agnostic, if I understand correctly, means sceptic. If so, I can be tolerant. If you and Bill go further to become an unbeliever, I will summon a jihad. Anthony --- On Sun, 17/10/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your

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Anthony, I believe that Bill, like me, is an agnostic where karma, rebirth and the supernatural are concerned. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wrote: > > Bill, > > That proved my suspicion that you are a Communist (Red Star), because you deny karma, rebirth and retribution

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: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 16 October, 2010, 10:56 AM   Mike, I gave you incorrect information.  The map is on the CONTACT Page.  Click the small map on

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: Saturday, October 16, 2010 9:31 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. Mike, I live in the province of Phetchabun. See my personal website www.billsmart.com. There is a map on the ABOUT US Page that

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hances are good I'll be at my home in Phetchabun. .Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mike brown Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 10:38 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't thin

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Hi Mike,   It's certainly a strange situation here regarding the US-Japanese relationship. Here's a country that had 2 atomic bombs dropped on it in living memory, yet young people go around adopting the fashion of the country that did the bombing (eg, wearing 'I love the USA' baseball ca

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Could it be the influence of the cause-and-effect worldview of Buddhism on Japanese culture versus a confident: "We totally blameless innocent-victims, they the evil ones" view of reality? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown wrote: > > Kristy, > > It's certainly a strange situ

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Clain To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 15 October, 2010 8:02:10 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.   Hi Mike, The westernized diet is the  worst export the USA has given  Japan , and the world.  I've heard it said, (though don&

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Bill!,   Haven't finalised the itinery yet, but I'm anticipating that it will be around the end of Feb next year (after spending 3 weeks in the Himalayas). I've been to Thailand a couple of times already. Love Thai people.  Always end up in Ko Chang - one of my favourite places on this planet.

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Mike, When are you coming to Thailand, and where will you be? .Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mike brown Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 6:38 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I

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  tantra-training to better enjoy all those lovely women;)    Kristy   --- On Thu, 10/14/10, mike brown wrote: From: mike brown Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 5:38 AM

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Kristy,   I couldn't believe the first time I went to a Japanese foodhall (in a mall) and the queue for McDonalds was 20 people and the traditional food places (ramen, okanomiyaki etc.) were empty! Still, Japan is an alternative reality for those of us from the West. No violence, extreme politen

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ldren-- how are they adapting to life, school, language and culture there?   Kristy     --- On Mon, 10/11/10, mike brown wrote: From: mike brown Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 11

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Kristy,   Japan in January will be bitterly cold, but then again each season has its own atmosphere and charm. Which city will you be visiting? I live in Kyoto and work in Nara. Although I'm getting more used to living here every passing year (this is my sixth), it still feels like 'Lost in Tran

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--- On Wed, 10/6/10, mike brown wrote: From: mike brown Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 6, 2010, 4:19 AM   Good Morning Mike,   Sorry this is delayed~~ I've been away, a

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Anthony, Indeed. I often get the kids to 'crap' hands while singing the ABC song. Mike From: Anthony Wu To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 7 October, 2010 7:21:21 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in y

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, when you go out.   Anthony --- On Wed, 6/10/10, mike brown wrote: From: mike brown Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 6 October, 2010, 7:02 PM   Anthony,   This must be some inscruta

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Thank you Anthony --- On Wed, 6/10/10, Anthony Wu wrote: From: Anthony Wu Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 6 October, 2010, 1:32   Kristy,   I don't think Mayka is insince

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: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.   For the kind of reaction that lady had over a miss spell name...start to understand your dislike of femenism. SOS!!! --- On Tue, 5/10/10, mike brown wrote: From: mike brown Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don&#x

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what you claim my offense was. You addressed me, I responded. > > > > > From: DP > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, 6 October, 2010 21:36:02 > Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. > >   > > Am I jumping in on yo

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olitics. Jimmy Carter, the most prolific churchgoing president of the past 40 years, shared none of these beliefs. >   > > > > ____________________ > From: DP > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, 6 October, 2010 21:26:04 > Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray i

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gion in general (even tho I'd probably agree with those sentiments). Understood. Mike  From: DP To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 6 October, 2010 21:36:02 Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.   A

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quot; with their insistence on the separation of powers? Mike   From: DP To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 6 October, 2010 21:26:04 Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.   --- In Zen_Forum@ya

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t; > as > though that settles the argument or ends it. > > Mike > > > > > > From: Maria Lopez > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tue, 5 October, 2010 23:49:40 > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your > church. >

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> > Mike, > > > > I don't see the 'free pass'. You find Islam criticising Christianity, and > > vice > > > versa, and Christianity reviling Buddhism and vice versa. Many other > > instances. > > > > The reason you are afraid

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Jane, Only if you were condenmed to remain in this forum ; ) Mike From: Jane To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 6 October, 2010 11:22:13 Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.   One is tempted to gener

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18:29 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.   Mike, It does not matter mice of mouse. In English, fried rice is considered uncountable, and is always singular. But the Thais call it 'flied lice'. More than one louse. That is why Bill i

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uixote. Probably the best example of a man of Zen in literature. > > > ____________________ From: Anthony Wu >To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Tue, 5 October, 2010 7:43:43 >Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

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DP, It was a rhetorical point, but I'll accept your apology. Mike From: DP To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 6 October, 2010 7:49:15 Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.   --- In Zen_Forum@

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    Mike From: DP To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 6 October, 2010 7:46:22 Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.   Not quite. It was not the "last presidential debate," it was a debate among those c

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Clain To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 6 October, 2010 0:17:59 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.   Hi Mike,   in all honesty, I was going to be supportive of feminism, but you caught me off guard with this.  I suspect you  have a good point, tho

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u and Kristy ever met face to face you'd get on really well. Mike From: Maria Lopez To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 6 October, 2010 0:09:48 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.   For the kind o

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mpact,  then very quickly comes out abusive behaviour, agression etc, etc.  --- On Tue, 5/10/10, mike brown wrote: >From: mike brown >Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. >To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com >Date: Tuesday, 5 Octobe

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Are you then saying that there is a cause of pervasive disappointment? Could a way to escape pervasive disappointment? > > Only if one has pervasive deluded expectations? > > > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Jane" wrote: >> >> One is tempted to generalize that the nature of living is perva

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Only if one has pervasive deluded expectations? --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Jane" wrote: > > One is tempted to generalize that the nature of living is pervasive disappointment. > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wuasg@ wrote: > > I am disappointed you are disappointe I a

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One is tempted to generalize that the nature of living is pervasive disappointment. --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wrote: > I am disappointed you are disappointe I am disappointed that Mayka is > disappointed with TNH. ad infinitum. Cur

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ain wrote: From: Kristy McClain Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 5 October, 2010, 11:45 PM   Maria,   Your comments here demonstrate that your earlier post to me apologizing were insincere

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  Mike  From: Maria Lopez To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 5 October, 2010 7:58:08 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.   Anthony:   I'm under the impression that Mike is not the type of person who is afraid to speak up his m

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n you are afraid to say something against Christianity is because you live in a strong Christain influenced environment. Once you say something, you will see a lot of Don Quixotes rushing toward you.   Anthony --- On Mon, 4/10/10, mike brown wrote: From: mike brown Subject: Re: [Zen]

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Bill,   I am disappointed you are disappointe I am disappointed that Mayka is disappointed with TNH. ad infinitum.   Anthony --- On Tue, 5/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your

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> > > From: DP > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tue, 5 October, 2010 1:40:29 > Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. > >   > I am not a Catholic, nor am I a fan of the current p

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gt; > Mike >   > Ps, I like Don Quixote. Probably the best example of a man of Zen in > literature. > > > > ____________ > From: Anthony Wu > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tue, 5 October, 2010 7:43:43 > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in

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flect on > you. Move on.. >   > Be well.. K  > > --- On Tue, 10/5/10, Maria Lopez wrote: > > > From: Maria Lopez > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your > church. > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tues

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  about me are yours.  But less than sly slurs  reflect on you. Move on..   Be well.. K  --- On Tue, 10/5/10, Maria Lopez wrote: From: Maria Lopez Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 5, 201

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Sent: Tue, 5 October, 2010 7:58:08 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.   Anthony:   I'm under the impression that Mike is not the type of person who is afraid to speak up his mind when he has to.  He is an strong  man and not a mice.

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feminists indeed have no sense of humor.  If so, thats sad.  Life without laughter is an unlived life, in my view.    But according to Bill, (and perhaps he's correct), its all an illusion anyway;)   Kristy --- On Tue, 10/5/10, mike brown wrote: From: mike brown Subject: Re: [

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For the kind of reaction that lady had over a miss spell name...start to understand your dislike of femenism. SOS!!! --- On Tue, 5/10/10, mike brown wrote: From: mike brown Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroup

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n etc, etc.      --- On Tue, 5/10/10, mike brown wrote: From: mike brown Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 5 October, 2010, 14:44   Mayka,   I agree with you in the most part about the use of agres

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To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 5 October, 2010 12:26:09 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.   Mike,   Do you mean feminists here?  If so-- why?  Do you honestly believe  you can generalize with such broad strokes ? (pun intended);) k --- On

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his own sayings through the practice of zen = Direct experience with life.  But I don't know as all this is just an impression in the same way as you have your own. Mayka --- On Mon, 4/10/10, Anthony Wu wrote: >From: Anthony Wu >Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray i

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all a free pass. Mike   Ps, I like Don Quixote. Probably the best example of a man of Zen in literature. From: Anthony Wu To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 5 October, 2010 7:43:43 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in

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'evilest of the evil' award would have to go to that psychopathic, homophobic, sadistic tyrant Yahweh of the Old Testament. Mike  From: ED To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 5 October, 2010 4:25:20 Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my sc

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nce. Mike From: Kristy McClain To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 5 October, 2010 2:23:56 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.   Gentlemen, :)   Wait~~ don't get me into this discussion, as it is now "I&quo

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e but bear in mind that some people will always label assertion as 'agressive'. Mike From: Maria Lopez To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 5 October, 2010 1:57:06 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in yo

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t peaceful. From: DP To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 5 October, 2010 1:40:29 Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.   I am not a Catholic, nor am I a fan of the current pope, who was part of the mechanations to put down

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*chuckles* to Bill...   --- On Tue, 10/5/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 3:06 AM   Kristy,  The ar

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ay, if you are fed up with one thing, move on to another. Don't complain. Anthony --- On Mon, 4/10/10, Maria Lopez wrote: From: Maria Lopez Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 4 October, 20

RE: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. Gentlemen, :) Wait~~ don't get me into this discussion, as it is now "I" who has lost the thread. I was merely trying to point out to DP that debating on-line with people who attack him o

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DP and Mike, I've seen faith and I think it's okay.Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DP Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 10:41 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't

Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.

Mike,   Do you mean feminists here?  If so-- why?  Do you honestly believe  you can generalize with such broad strokes ? (pun intended);) k --- On Mon, 10/4/10, mike brown wrote: From: mike brown Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. To:

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ience with life.  But I don't know as all this is just an impression in the same way as you have your own. Mayka     --- On Mon, 4/10/10, Anthony Wu wrote: From: Anthony Wu Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. To: Zen_Forum@yahoog

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