Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead?

[Kent Fredric]

On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 18:57:47 +0300
lego12...@yandex.ru wrote:

> You have lost faith in people ;-).

Only Torvalds can write Segfault free code.

Everyone else tries hard, and eventually get beaten into submission by
GCC and UB.

( Yes, I'm being a little hyperbolic, but the test of time has shown
how hard it is to write safe code in C even by those who seem to know
what they're doing. And that's not just segfaults, but non-failing
exploits by breaking memory buffers. Heartbleed for example.  You
really gotta ask yourself how many significant vulnerabilities out
there take root from the fact they're implemented in C somewhere, and C
gave you no compiler safety insurance )


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Re: [gentoo-user] "Amount" of fstrim? (curiosity driven, no paranoia :)

[Kent Fredric]

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:15:51 +0200
tu...@posteo.de wrote:

> Filesystem  Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
> /dev/root   246G   45G  189G  20% /

Given that (Size - Used) is roughly 200G, it suggests to me that
perhaps, some process somewhere is creating and deleting a lot of
temporary files on this device (or maybe simply re-writing the same
file multiple times)

From a userspace, this would be invisible, as the "new"  file would be
in a new location on the disk, and the "old" file would be invisible,
and marked "can be overwritten". 

So if you did:

for i in {0..200}; do
   cp a b
   rm a
   mv b a 
done

Where "a" is a 1G file, I'd expect this to have a *ceiling* of 200G
that would turn up in fstrim output, as once you reached iteration 201,
where "can overwrite" would allow the SSD to go back and rewrite over
the space used in iteration 1.

While the whole time, the visible disk usage in df -h would never
exceed 46G .

I don't know if this is what is happening, I don't have an SSD and
don't get to use fstrim.

But based on what you've said, the results aren't *too* surprising.

Though its possible the hardware has some internal magic to elide some
writes, potentially making the "cp" action incur very few writes, which
would show up in the smartctl data, but ext4 might not know anything
about that, so perhaps fstrim only indicates what ext4 *tracked* as
being cleaned, while it may have incurred much less cleanup required on
the hardware.

That would explain the difference between smartctl and fstrim results.

Maybe compare smartctl output over time with
/sys/fs/ext4//session_write_kbytes and see if one grows faster
than the other? :)

My local session_write_kbytes is currently at 709G, the partition its
for is only 552G, with 49G space, and its been booted 33 days, so "21G
of writes a day".

And uh, lifetime_write_kbytes is about 18TB. Yikes.

( compiling things involves a *LOT* of ephemeral data )

Also, probably don't assume the amount of free space on your partition
is all the physical device has at its disposal to use. It seems
possible that on the hardware, the total pool of "free blocks" is
arbitrarily usable by the device for wear levelling, and a TRIM command
to that device could plausibly report more blocks trimmed than your
current partition size, depending on how its implemented.

But indeed, lots of speculation here on my part :)








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Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead?

[Kent Fredric]

On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 19:14:55 +0300
lego12...@yandex.ru wrote:

>  portage must be in C and statically linked.

Do you want Segfaults?

Because that's how you get segfaults :p.

Maybe Rust or something like it, but I don't really trust our capacity
to implement something this complicated in C.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead?

[Kent Fredric]

On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 19:58:03 +0300
Consus  wrote:

> Github bot warns
> you that contributing new packages to the main repo is low priority and
> probably no one will help you,

Maybe that's a misinterpretation.

Gentoo workflow isn't oriented around Pull requests, Pull requests are
generally a mechanism used to allow users and other non-developers to
"assist".

People who are dev's generally don't use PR's for their work, although
there are a few exceptions to this because the PR facility allows for
various "pre-testing" and "I'm not the guy in charge of this, so I
better let the guy who is look at it first" situations.

And somewhat as a result, contributions via the PR mechanism *are* low
priority. Not because nobody is around to do it, but because either we
have more important things to do, *or*, sometimes there are things we
must do *before* handling PR's.

Sometimes even people filing bugs for "please update this" serves no
purpose, because we're probably already aware there's an update, its
just a matter of time constraints and priorities.

I would argue we're actually more on top of, and aware of, things that
need to be done than users might imagine. Its just largely invisible
because you have to go *looking* for it, and you have to actually
communicate with dev's to really see what's going on, because
sometimes, its all in their head.

Just the perception from a portage consumption point *may* look like a
thing is stagnated "because no recent changes".

If you were to look at portage, you might think no work is happening on
the rust front, beyond the language itself being there.

But lots of research and experimental work is happening on overlays,
working out how to do a thing right, before burdening users with it.

( And there's also the fact that properly reviewing a PR often requires
the same work investment to merely verify it, as if you were to do the
work yourself without a PR, which serves as a bit of a disincentive to
care about PRs )


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Perl 5.30.1 Locale::Language missing

[Kent Fredric]

On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 07:48:04 - (UTC)
Martin Vaeth  wrote:

> This looks like a bug in the perl distribution to me:
> 
> man perl5300delta
> 
> claims "Locale::Codes has been upgraded from version 3.56 to 3.57." and
> 
> man perl5301delta
> 
> neither mentions "Locale" nor "Codes", yet the whole
> cpan/Locale-Codes subdirectory is missing from 5.30.1.
> Although it should not be hard to write an ebuild as a
> temporary workaround, I suggest to file a bug at perl itself.

Nope.

/usr/bin/corelist -a Locale::Codes

Data for 2019-11-10
Locale::Codes was first released with perl v5.13.1 and removed from v5.29.3

== Upstream has unbundled this and migrated it to be a "CPAN only" dep.

Op needs to request an addition of dev-perl/Locale-Codes , which
provides both Locale::Codes and Locale::Language

This is one of the sorts of things we *usually* have virtuals to
handle, however, nothing in tree uses this, so the virtual never came
to be.

This is not a bug in packaging, more a side effect of your "web
application" not being available in portage.




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Re: [gentoo-user] layman : unterminated character set at position 1

[Kent Fredric]

On Tue, 07 May 2019 13:05:59 +0200
Helmut Jarausch  wrote:

> Hi,
> I'm struggling with layman. Using version 2.4.2-r1 as well as version  
>  I get
> for several overlays like for palemoon :
> 
> layman -a palemoon
> 
>   * Adding overlay...
>   * Overlay "palemoon" is not official. Continue installing? [y/n]: y
> 
>   * CLI: Errors occurred processing action add
>   * Exception caught installing repository "palemoon":
>   * unterminated character set at position 1
> 
> So, what does this error message really mean.
> What file is involved and how to fix this?
> 
> Many thanks for a hint,
> Helmut
> 

It looks like bug #676074[1]

I've found a suitable workaround of looking at the versions of python
I'm building layman for, and explicitly telling it to use a version of
Python other than 3.7 to run layman.


katipo2 ~ # EPYTHON=python3.7 layman -a pentoo 

 * Adding overlay...

 * CLI: Errors occurred processing action add
 * Exception caught installing repository "pentoo":
 * unterminated character set at position 1

katipo2 ~ # EPYTHON=python3.6 layman -a pentoo 

 * Adding overlay...
 * Running Git... # ( cd /var/lib/layman  && /usr/bin/git clone 
https://github.com/pentoo/pentoo-overlay.git /var/lib/layman/pentoo )
 * Running Git... # ( cd /var/lib/layman/pentoo  && /usr/bin/git config 
user.name "layman" )
 * Running Git... # ( cd /var/lib/layman/pentoo  && /usr/bin/git config 
user.email "layman@localhost" )
 * Successfully added overlay(s) pentoo.


1: https://bugs.gentoo.org/676074


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Re: [gentoo-user] preparing for profile switch -- major problem

[Kent Fredric]

On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 07:54:59 -0500
John Covici  wrote:

> I am using ~amd64 and have done so for
> years, so I don't think I need to maks off anything. 

Sorry, I may have gotten my wires crossed.

The impression I got was you were trying to stick with perl 5.24

The point is *if* you're sticking with perl 5.24 ( which is current
stable ) then by design, you need the set of virtuals that specify perl
5.24.

If you try to use "~amd64" virtuals with an "amd64" perl, portage will
try to install the newest versions of those virtuals, which in turn
force installing perl 5.26

Hence, you need to use a paired combination of dev-lang/perl and
virtuals.

Just the mechanism by which we make this pairing happens is via
stability levels.

Hence, if you wanted to use Perl 5.24, you would need to do more than
merely mask perl 5.26, you would need to mask the virtuals that tell
portage to install perl 5.26 as well.



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Re: [gentoo-user] preparing for profile switch -- major problem

[Kent Fredric]

On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 02:17:09 -0500
John Covici  wrote:

> OK, thanks, I think I will try that.

The problem you're facing is that you masked dev-lang/perl, but not any
virtual/perl-* or perl-core/-* to compensate.

These 3 components work in concert like a single component, as a sort
of bodge to compensate for the fact portage has no working "provides" feature,
and to compensate for the dependency-system missmatch between how
Gentoo works and how CPAN works.

Theres' no easy way of fixing this atm, but the short of it is if you're using
an ~arch dev-lang/perl, you should be using an ~arch virtual/perl-*,
and if you're using an "arch" dev-lang/perl, you should be using only
"arch" versions of virtual/perl-*

Once you do this, portage may still scream at you, because portage is
very much optimised for upgrading, and it tends to think downgrading is
an error.

So once you get all your masks/keyword changes in place, you should do:

  emerge -C virtual/perl-*
  emerge -C perl-core/*

(or something to that effect)

This looks scary, but generally isn't, because you're not actually removing
anything with this, just juggling a few balls and making only older
versions of certain things available ( as they're alls shipped in
dev-lang/perl )

And then after you do this, portage is more likely to be persuadable
into doing the right thing.

You can additionally abuse my tool, gentoo-perl-helpers for doing some of this,
and some of the steps I've described are automated because they're just
that safe and useful.

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Perl#app-admin.2Fgentoo-perl-helpers


After putting the right masks in place, do:

gentoo-perl gen-upgrade-sets 5.26 5.24

And if you're really lucky, the sets it generates will work the first time :)

( I actually tested this scenario when developing it, but its still an
undocumented use on purpose )

GLHF.


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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Being Facebook member: How to anon?

[Kent Fredric]

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 10:50:01 +0200
tu...@posteo.de wrote:

> My question is:
> Are there ways (and which ones) to become member of facebook
> just to read and write to this user grout (like a mailinglist)
> and keep the impact on privacy an personal fingerprinting as
> small as ever possible?

It should be pointed out that anonymity, and even pseudonymity are
basically against Facebook terms of service, due to having what they
call a "Real Names Policy".

If somebody suspects your Facebook Identity is not representative of a
real person, they can report the account as a Fake.

Facebook will then suspend your account until you can prove your
identity.

In some cases, Facebook will even challenge certain spellings of your
real name if they think its "weird", regardless of how much it is your
legal name.

None of the features Facebook provides in terms of "Privacy" should be
considered real privacy either. They're conveniences, because there is
no real security or privacy on Facebook.

Regulate everything you send to Facebook at a mental level.

( This is mostly just the limitations of the internet and technology in
general, but it really has to be repeatedly re-stated around Facebook )

Have fun, and Good luck.


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Re: [gentoo-user] The uselessness of equery

[Kent Fredric]

On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 18:29:19 -0700
Ian Zimmerman  wrote:

> Has anyone a better way?  As Alan recently wrote in a different but
> related context, surely a hack in bash / awk /perl would do better, and
> that's what I'll do if I must, but I can't believe gentoo lacks a usable
> tool for questions like this.

This is pretty much IO bound, because you have to traverse hundreds of
files without any sort of lookup index.

Without vfs cache, this is really slow, because spinning rust.

time find /var/db/pkg/ -name CONTENTS -print0 | LC_ALL=C  xargs -P2 -0 grep 
'usr/bin/equery' 
/var/db/pkg/app-portage/gentoolkit-0.4.0/CONTENTS:sym /usr/bin/equery -> 
../lib/python-exec/python-exec2 1504719465

real   0m39.844s
user   0m0.124s
sys0m0.889s
cpu2.54%


With vfs cache, its much quicker:

time find /var/db/pkg/ -name CONTENTS -print0 | LC_ALL=C  xargs -P2 -0 grep 
'usr/bin/equery' 
/var/db/pkg/app-portage/gentoolkit-0.4.0/CONTENTS:sym /usr/bin/equery -> 
../lib/python-exec/python-exec2 1504719465

real   0m0.139s
user   0m0.052s
sys0m0.090s
cpu102.20%

Basically, everything you see is going to be using a more sophisticated
version of that until we have a /var/db/pkg system with some basic
database concepts like "indexing"


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Re: [gentoo-user] What's up with larry the cow dot org?

[Kent Fredric]

On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 20:26:04 + (UTC)
Grant Edwards  wrote:

> Appropos of nothing, I accidentaly stumbled across larrythecow.org
> today.  It's oddly baffling.  The domain is registered to "Domain
> Protection Services", and (AFAICT) has been since 2005.

Wayback suggests that until Oct 2015 it was associated with Funtoo:

https://web.archive.org/web/20151005165316/http://larrythecow.org:80/

Sometime Nov 2015 it got nuked and replaced with a page with hints of ASP

https://web.archive.org/web/20151107212839/http://larrythecow.org:80/

Jan 2016 onwards is all laptop crap.

That's all I have for now, but I'd assume the site has been hacked.

Maybe somebody at funtoo knows what's up. 


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Re: [gentoo-user] sys-apps/texinfo-6.5: Aborted /usr/bin/perl /usr/bin/perl ../tp/texi2any

[Kent Fredric]

On Fri, 6 Oct 2017 03:43:50 -0400
Andrey Moshbear  wrote:

> Hi;
> 
> texi2any fails with SIGABRT when compiling texinfo:
> 
> emerge -1v =sys-apps/texinfo-6.5: http://dpaste.com/0XJMVRV
> emerge --info: http://dpaste.com/1DDRESJ
> 
> What's the failure cause and appropriate solution or workaround?
> 
> -- AV
> 

This looks like this somehow, https://bugs.gentoo.org/622576
But it might not be.

Either way, all this scares me: 

/bin/sh: line 15:  1456 Aborted /usr/bin/perl ../tp/texi2any -I 
. -o info-stnd.info `test -f 'info-stnd.texi' || echo './'`info-stnd.texi
*** Error in `/usr/bin/perl': free(): invalid pointer: 0x01e92cc8 ***
=== Backtrace: =
/lib64/libc.so.6(+0x76bbb)[0x7fc819991bbb]
/lib64/libc.so.6(+0x7e385)[0x7fc81385]
/lib64/libc.so.6(+0x7ed6e)[0x7fc81d6e]
../tp/Texinfo/MiscXS/.libs/MiscXS.so(xs_abort_empty_line+0x2f3)[0x7fc8177dee7c]
../tp/Texinfo/MiscXS/.libs/MiscXS.so(xs_merge_text+0x8c1)[0x7fc8177e103f]
../tp/Texinfo/MiscXS/.libs/MiscXS.so(+0x2980)[0x7fc8177dd980]
/usr/lib64/libperl.so.5.24(Perl_pp_entersub+0x2ad)[0x7fc819e0a6cd]

And probably warrants a bug with texinfo



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Re: [gentoo-user] Perl 5.26 Unmasking Warning [affects all users]

[Kent Fredric]

As advised in the previous email[1], Perl 5.26.1 is scheduled to be
unmasked and available to ~arch come October 7th.

All the major blockers of known serious defects are fixed[2], but
there's still quite a number of lower-severity issues that are still
yet to be addressed[3]

Stabilization of Perl 5.24.3 will kick off from maintainer side around
the same time.

If you have not yet read the previous email[1] and decided if you need
to react to it or not, now would be a good time.

-- Perl Team.

1: 
https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/message/ccbe42a3729e8b37895244b0bc1e35cf
2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=621410_resolved=0
3: https://bugs.gentoo.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=613764_resolved=1


(NB: Sorry for anyone on both lists who gets a dupe, mail client is stupid
 and didn't send the first to both lists as intended)


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[gentoo-user] Perl 5.26 Unmasking Warning [affects all users]

[Kent Fredric]

We're finally at a point where we're nearing the unmasking[1] of Perl
5.26 and making it visible to ~arch users, and a "news item" on this
matter will appear shortly.

Due to a collection of various problems faced in this version,
extensive amounts of work has been needed to simply deliver an ~arch
release that isn't incredibly visibly broken [1][2].

Subsequently, this will require a lot of care from end users who use
~arch versions of Perl, specifically as breakages manifest all over the
tree, in places you wouldn't expect ( for example: make, automake,
autoconf, gcc, and even some python packages have been broken by
changes in this release )

If you use Gentoo as a production server, this will be a good time to
set aside a seperate box for testing the side effects of this release
on your platform, and you should assume this release *will* affect you
in some way.

There are 4 Major types of failures [3]:

1: [build] failiures related to the removal of '.' from @INC [4] such 
as:
 - Can't locate inc:: ... in @INC (you may need to install the ... module)
 - Can't locate t:: ... in @INC (you may need to install the ... module)
 - do "foo.pl" failed, '.' is no longer in @INC; did you mean do "./foo.pl"?

2: [buildtime] The default of internal OP OP_SIBLING/OP_PARENT changing:
 - error: ... has no member named ‘op_sibling'
 
3: [runtime] Unescaped "{" in regex becomming a fatal error:
 - Unescaped left brace in regex is illegal in ...

4: [runtime] The removal of POSIX::tmpname in favour of File::Temp
 - Unimplemented: POSIX::tmpnam()

Our hope is to have all the in-tree bugs [5] fixed long in advance of
needing to stabilize Perl 5.26.

However, special efforts will have to be added for anything using an
overlay, and any of your private code ( such as things you've manually
installed into /opt  or /usr/local/ ) will need additional care as
these are outside the visibility of Gentoo Devs.

Please make sure to report any bugs you find that are clearly caused by
Perl 5.26 ( of course, first skim the lengthy list of known issues for
duplicates [6] ).

For any questions, please follow up in reply to this email, or ask
us on freenode.org#gentoo-perl

1: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=perl-5.26-unmask
2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=612408
3: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Perl/5.26_Known_Issues
4: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Perl/Dot-In-INC-Removal
5: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=perl-5.26
6: https://bugs.gentoo.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=613764_resolved=1


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Re: [gentoo-user] Don't miss the 1 500 000 000 Unix second!

[Kent Fredric]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 16:01:42 +0300
Andrew Savchenko  wrote:

> Hi all!
> 
> I'd like to remind you that
>   $ date -d @15
> is drawing close!
> 
> Don't miss the moment :)
> 
> Best regards,
> Andrew Savchenko

 watch -n 1 'echo $(( 15 -  $( date +"%s") ))'

Enjoy.


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Re: [gentoo-user] conflict with same package, same USE

[Kent Fredric]

On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 10:55:51 +0200
Hogren  wrote:

> dev-libs/openssl:0
> 
>   (dev-libs/openssl-1.0.2k:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
> pulled in by
> dev-libs/openssl:0[bindist=] required by
> (dev-qt/qtnetwork-5.6.2:5/5.6::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
>   
>   
>  
> 
> 
>   (dev-libs/openssl-1.0.2k:0/0::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
> >=dev-libs/openssl-0.9.8f:0[bindist=] required by  
> (net-misc/openssh-7.3_p1-r7:0/0::gentoo, installed)
>

The important thing here is not the version, but the use requirement in
the [ ]

Consulting `man 5 ebuild` , 

>  foo[bar=]  bar? ( foo[bar] ) !bar? ( foo[-bar] )

So, this means that:

   dev-libs/openssl:0[bindist=]  required by 
net-misc/openssh-7.3_p1-r7:0/0::gentoo

Interprets as:

   is net-misc/openssh built with USE=bindist?
  yes ->
 require dev-libs/openssl be built with USE=bindist
  no ->
 require dev-libs/openssl be built WITHOUT USE=bindist

In short, the USE setting for openssl and openssh must have the same
value for USE=bindist

And also, dev-qt/qtnetwork also has the same constraint.

Thus, you need to configure the USE=bindist flag for all of:

  dev-libs/openssl
  dev-qt/qtnetwork
  net-misc/openssh

Either be all USE=bindist or USE=-bindist

*hopefully* that's enough information for you to solve your issue,
but if not, I can expand upon request, if you state what parts you
don't understand
:)



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Re: [gentoo-user] What gives with all these file collisions?

[Kent Fredric]

On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 02:23:44 -0400
Alan Grimes  wrote:

> without spending all day and all night cut-pasting filenames into
> another terminal and running rm on them...

Looking at the candidate you showed: 

k3b:

  version=2.0.3-r5 slot=4   stable
  version=17.04.1  slot=5   testing

It seems like its plausible you recently changed your keywording choices
somewhere from "arch" to "~arch", bringing a lot of untested upgrades
with it. Or, you allowed portage to perform far more auto-unmasks than
really made sense for what you're doing.

I could be wrong though.

But what appears to be the problem is you have 2 k3b versions, which,
according to slots, should be permitted to be co-installed, but
according to the files they install, can't be co-installed.

This seems like possible cause for opening a bug on k3b, so that
k3b:5 blocks against k3b:4 and vice versa.

But as for the other cases you saw, I can't really comment, because its
seldom the case that multiple packages are having file collisions for
the same reason.

The only usual reason for that sort of thing happening on a broad scale
is /usr/  getting provisioned during install, and staying, but the
contents index in /var/db/pkg getting lost somehow due to the segv +
reboot, leaving the files there, but leaving portage with no memory of
where they came from.

I've had that sort of thing happen before, but its very rare.



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Re: [gentoo-user] What gives with all these file collisions?

[Kent Fredric]

On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 08:23:22 +0200
Alan McKinnon  wrote:

> Or you could use Ubuntu.

Can you please refrain from such phrases.


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Re: [gentoo-user] What gives with all these file collisions?

[Kent Fredric]

On Thu, 1 Jun 2017 23:32:55 -0700
Willie M  wrote:

> I am sure you can use the FEATURES to ignore collisions. It has been
> awhile but I am sure it is still there.

Disabling collisions detections is not really good advice, as it can
lead to real problems and break your system.

Then again, just pasting lists to RM is not smart either.

Better to work out *why* there's a collision first.

In the example the user posted, they're installing kde-apps/k3b:5 on
top of kde-apps/k3b:4

Those packages should block against each other in some way if they
install the same files.

This sort of stuff happens if you're running ~arch, and is usually
grounds for a bug.


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Re: [gentoo-user] tmp on tmpfs

[Kent Fredric]

On Sun, 28 May 2017 11:07:03 +0100
Mick  wrote:

> Did you also have zbud enabled at the time?

Historical kernel configs say yes:

xzcat /root/kernels/04.04.26-gentoo/2016-11-30-23-33-29_success.xz  | grep -E 
"Z(SWAP|BUD)"
CONFIG_ZSWAP=y
CONFIG_ZBUD=y

Though I should mention there are other issues with that box on top of this 
that could be exacerbated
by this, which are only occasionally a problem without this.

But it used to be all these would trigger kernel panics.

[1262560.644640] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2080020(GFP_ATOMIC)
[1262560.644750] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2080020(GFP_ATOMIC)
[1262560.644860] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2080020(GFP_ATOMIC)
[1262560.644970] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2080020(GFP_ATOMIC)
[1262566.614082] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2080020(GFP_ATOMIC)
[1262566.614213] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2080020(GFP_ATOMIC)
[1262566.614321] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2080020(GFP_ATOMIC)
[1262566.656214] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2080020(GFP_ATOMIC)
[1262566.656329] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2080020(GFP_ATOMIC)
[1262566.656440] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2080020(GFP_ATOMIC)
[1262566.656550] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2080020(GFP_ATOMIC)
[1262566.656660] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2080020(GFP_ATOMIC)
[1262566.656770] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2080020(GFP_ATOMIC)
[1262566.670106] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2080020(GFP_ATOMIC)
[1349283.357400] ksoftirqd/0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2280020(GFP_ATOMIC|__GFP_NOTRACK)
[1606358.941209] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2080020(GFP_ATOMIC)
[1606358.941565] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2080020(GFP_ATOMIC)
[1606358.941680] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2080020(GFP_ATOMIC)
[1606358.941789] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2080020(GFP_ATOMIC)
[1606358.941896] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2080020(GFP_ATOMIC)
[1606358.942013] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2080020(GFP_ATOMIC)
[1606358.942120] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2080020(GFP_ATOMIC)
[1606358.942226] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2080020(GFP_ATOMIC)
[1606358.942331] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2080020(GFP_ATOMIC)
[1606358.942469] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2080020(GFP_ATOMIC)
[1607776.644830] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2280020(GFP_ATOMIC|__GFP_NOTRACK)
[1607776.687657] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2280020(GFP_ATOMIC|__GFP_NOTRACK)
[1612837.743021] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2280020(GFP_ATOMIC|__GFP_NOTRACK)
[1658262.328936] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2280020(GFP_ATOMIC|__GFP_NOTRACK)
[1666011.039154] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2280020(GFP_ATOMIC|__GFP_NOTRACK)
[1668636.093637] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2280020(GFP_ATOMIC|__GFP_NOTRACK)
[1669722.355688] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2280020(GFP_ATOMIC|__GFP_NOTRACK)
[1680913.653645] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2280020(GFP_ATOMIC|__GFP_NOTRACK)
[1680919.640022] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2280020(GFP_ATOMIC|__GFP_NOTRACK)
[1680962.743563] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2280020(GFP_ATOMIC|__GFP_NOTRACK)
[1680962.755535] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2280020(GFP_ATOMIC|__GFP_NOTRACK)
[1681008.201625] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2280020(GFP_ATOMIC|__GFP_NOTRACK)
[1681008.513501] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2280020(GFP_ATOMIC|__GFP_NOTRACK)
[1690596.427305] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2280020(GFP_ATOMIC|__GFP_NOTRACK)
[1690596.427499] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2280020(GFP_ATOMIC|__GFP_NOTRACK)
[1690596.435733] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2280020(GFP_ATOMIC|__GFP_NOTRACK)
[1690851.884134] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2280020(GFP_ATOMIC|__GFP_NOTRACK)
[1691003.944968] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2280020(GFP_ATOMIC|__GFP_NOTRACK)
[1691037.167644] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2280020(GFP_ATOMIC|__GFP_NOTRACK)
[1691037.173233] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: order:0, 
mode:0x2280020(GFP_ATOMIC|__GFP_NOTRACK)
[1691386.668001] irq/30-eth0: page allocation failure: 

Re: [gentoo-user] tmp on tmpfs

[Kent Fredric]

On Wed, 24 May 2017 15:45:45 +0300
Andrew Savchenko  wrote:

> - smaller CPU overhead: not every i/o is being compressed, e.g. if
> there is sill enough RAM available it is used without compression
> overhead as usual, but if memory is not enough, swapped out pages
> are being compressed instead of swapping out to disk;

I found the opposite problem somehow. CPU started becomming frequently pegged
in zswap for no obvious reason, while the underlying IO that zswap was doing
was only measurable in kb/s , far, far, far below the noise thresholds and
by no means a strain on even my crappy spinning rust based swap.

And to add to that, zswap introduced general protection faults and kernel 
panics.

So nah, I'm glad I turned that off, it was a huge mistake.


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Re: [gentoo-user] ...doubled updates?

[Kent Fredric]

On Thu, 25 May 2017 04:36:47 +0200
tu...@posteo.de wrote:

> Thanks for any info in advance!

If it helps ... "emerge" is the process of performing steps:

- fetch
- prepare
- configure
- compile
- test
- write staging image

These steps can all happen independently without affecting other
packages.

the "install" is the process of deploying the staged image to your OS
and updating the vdb.

This process typically requires locking and multiple installation stages
don't typically happen concurrently.

But if it helps, pretend that "emerge" means "compiling", and it
becomes much clearer.

> Compiling (1 of 10) sys-apps/keyutils-1.5.10::gentoo
> Installing (1 of 10) sys-apps/keyutils-1.5.10::gentoo

:)


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: replacement for ftp?

[Kent Fredric]

On Tue, 16 May 2017 04:58:44 +0200
Kai Krakow  wrote:

> If this is the underlying (and perfectly legitimate) problem, you need
> to deploy a solution that's most easy for your users and not for you.
> That may involve a custom transfer solution where they simply can drop
> files to. The underlying technology is then up to you: Use what is
> appropriate.

If users have difficulty with keyboard/mouse, but you find a client
that's to their liking, but they're not necessarily capable of
configuring for your service, it might be possible to find a "config
file" for that client which they can fetch over plain ol' http:// with
whatever tools they usually use for downloading http:// things.

If the program they use doesn't have a "launcher config thinger" but
can be imagined to use whatever transfer technology you choose ( ssh ),
and you don't fancy writing a dedicated client, it could be simpler to
write an installer for them, which configures their existing client for
your service.

But I'd imagine lots of confusion is emanating from this list due to
the requirements not being entirely clear/obvious.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Wow, the GTK3 file browser is awful!

[Kent Fredric]

On Mon, 22 May 2017 18:33:47 + (UTC)
Grant Edwards  wrote:

> Having just recently allowed Firefox to upgrade from 45 to 52, I'm now
> hobbled with the GTK3 file browser dialog.
> 
> It's horrible.

Indeed :/. You're not alone, but what can we do about it?

Its not like we have sufficient staff to maintain a "Firefox but with
GTK2" fork, heck, we can't even keep alsa support.

I've gone to using other older firefox forks (palemoon) instead simply
because this march of progress doesn't seem to be delivering on that
"progress", only making the user experience more boring and generic,
and thus, more useless.

"One size fits all, copy everyone else" is not a useful axiom to me.

But at this rate, every browser trying to be "more like what the masses
want" will end me up having no browser that exists and works that works
how I want.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: replacement for ftp?

[Kent Fredric]

On Sun, 14 May 2017 02:59:41 +0100
lee  wrote:

> That requires shell access.

Not necessarily, it just requires a competent ISP.

For instance, there's no shell access on github, but there's still
ssh-based sync.

So you just need to have a restricted environment that only allows
spawning of the server side parts of the sftp protocol, and a suitable
authentication scheme.

You're going to want authentication for push anyway.


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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Horrible English

[Kent Fredric]

On Wed, 10 May 2017 13:50:40 +0100
David W Noon  wrote:

> those of us *who* are paid by the word.

*whomst 


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5.10 in portage...

[Kent Fredric]

On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Allan Gottlieb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 2.  That list is not intended for users, but for developers.


Hrm. I thought this was gentoo-user , which I thought was one of many places
(gentoo-user)'s can ask for help on various subjects.

'gentoo-user |  General Gentoo user support and discussion mailing list' [1]



[1] http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5.10 in portage...

[Kent Fredric]

On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Kent Fredric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Oh wait, my confusion. You were possibly referring explicitly to whom should
and should not be on the linux dev ml.

( If otherwise, please do unset my fail bit i just assigned on myself )
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A plea for calm

[Kent Fredric]

On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 9:05 AM, David Leverton [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 On Tuesday 16 September 2008 22:14:47 b.n. wrote:
  Frankly, the more you challenge him this mindless way, the more I
  believe him.

 If you think in such backwards logic then I don't care who you believe.


A apologize in advance if this assessment may  be under/over stating
something, I've not really taken part of this discussion, and don't really
care of what the outcome is, I'll keep using my ${choice}, if ${choice} goes
away ill go back and fork ${choice} to bring it back.  But you do appear to
be going out of your way to cause unwanted flame wars.  ( I'm being the
ultra fool by joining in the fray here ).

It would be nice if this bonfire could settle, and I'll request so by
mocking myself and all amateur geekdom at once with
liek, omg gaiz. chi11

Cheers.

Can we all kiss and make up now?

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5.10 in portage...

[Kent Fredric]

On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 7:35 AM, David Leverton [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 2008/9/17 Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  This is after many requests from others for you to calm down on the list

 *mumble mumble mumble*

  two private mails from myself asking the same, both of which you have not
  answered.

 *mumble mumble*, *mumble mumble mumble FLAMEBAIT*.


So much easier through poo-tinted glasses.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A plea for calm

[Kent Fredric]

On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 6:27 PM, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 So, why catfighting now?


Because all the guys here are probably really lesbians trapped in mens
bodies.

:)


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Re: [gentoo-user] How to minimise resource usage during emerge

[Kent Fredric]

On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 3:01 AM, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


 Yeah, funny that. Maybe you can write the new RFC to synchronize all reply
 mail to all other replies anywhere in the world.

 --
 alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com


When they figure out how to use quantum entangled bits to transfer classical
information ( currently deemed impossible )  you can use that. Or we could
always have the equivalent of somebody is typing a reply notification
subsystem that broadcasts to all recipients of the original email using a
message id ( Hey, that actually does not sound too bad :P )




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Re: [gentoo-user] How do you handle new Xorg + nvidia + ~x86?

[Kent Fredric]

On 9/12/07, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:20:16 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:

  it works for several people in the nvidia forum. With no 'it does not
  work' messages.

 If we're taking a vote, it works for me too, although the option is
 -ignoreABI, not -ignoreAbi.

 So the consensus is that, while it may well not work for all, it
 certainly is likely to work for most, so it is worth trying. It's not
 like this is a system-critical package that will stop you booting, the
 worst that can happen is that you are without a desktop for a few minutes.

 It would be prudent to quickpkg the previous version in xorg-server
 (unless you have buildpkg in FEATURES) so that you can switch back
 quickly if you do have a problem.


 --
 Neil Bothwick

 Bother, said Pooh, as Satan laid his soul to waste.




/me votes for the  +omgbrokednvidiazbutinstallzanywayz USE flag.

Just to mock the lunacy ;)

( this should of course, toggle the -fomgoptimize CFLAG too )


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: reiserfsprogs

[Kent Fredric]

On 8/1/07, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Kent Fredric kentfredric at gmail.com writes:


   X/kde runs fine, but when I exit it now, the system latches up, tight
   all ssh sessions, the console, everything.

 Now X/kde will not start. Everything latches up as soon as I enter
 'startx' at the console.

  Try Disabling anything fancy ( ie: composite support ), or try
  disabling APIC. I had a glitch a while back where composite + apic =
  system lockup, and later, something in QT4 tripped it up.


No, not  ACPI , APIC

in kernel menuconfig:

 Processor Types and Features -
Local APIC support on uniprocessors [ not checked ] ( CONFIG_X86_UP_APIC )

I have it off, and its left off, saves me headaches and needless hell.




  I have no ide how to  diable 'composite support'.
 When the system was ordered it was specified 1680x1050 on the
 17 inch screen resolution. The few times (sporadically) I did
 get X/kde to launch, it was is 1024x768 mode. I cold not build
 a working xorg.conf file, so I boot up the liveCD 2007.0 can
 copied over the default xorg.conf that at least worked with the
 liveCD. My suspicion is that xorg.conf file, particularly the
 Hortz and Vert ranges:
  HorizSync28.0 - 96.0
  VertRefresh  50.0 - 75.0

 Or maybe it the long list of fonts from the xorg.conf file on the livecd2007.0
 and I have not installed all of those fonts?

 What I need a very simple xorg.conf for a HP Pavilion dv9000z.
 Googling I found a couple but they did not work and hacking
 xorg.conf files has always seem to be a moving target for me


 I eliminated acpid from the startup, it made no difference:
 rc-update del acpid default

 Right now I'm running 'emerge --emptytree world'
 It's on 29/862  for lack of any better ideas.


 James

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Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from Genkernel to manual build

[Kent Fredric]

On 8/1/07, Dan Cowsill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


/etc/genkernel.conf


# Run 'make menuconfig' before compiling this kernel?
MENUCONFIG=no

# Run 'make clean' before compilation?
# If set to NO, implies MRPROPER WILL NOT be run
# Also, if clean is NO, it won't copy over any configuration
# file, it will use what's there.
CLEAN=no

# Run 'make mrproper' before configuration/compilation?
MRPROPER=no

# Save the new configuration in /etc/kernels upon
# successfull compilation
SAVE_CONFIG=yes

# Debug Level
DEBUGLEVEL=5

Set those, and then I recommend just stay with using genkernel, it
basically converts genkernel from a kernel configurator, to merely a
nice automated build-and-install script.


that way you can configure your kernel custome like usual, and then just
genkernel --kernname=somenickname all

and go away and leave it and it will take care of the rest  :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Apache not compiling

[Kent Fredric]

On 8/1/07, Alessandro del Gallo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi, when I try to compile Apache, I get this error.

  those are use flags, I try some configuratiosn but always get an error
 zombie ~ # grep apache /etc/portage/package.use
 www-servers/apache -doc -apache2 -ssl -mpm-itk -mpm-leader -mpm-peruser
 -mpm-prefork -mpm-threadpool -mpm-worker -ssl -threads
 zombie ~ # emerge apache -D -pvt

 These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order:

 Calculating dependencies... done!
 [ebuild  N] www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2  USE=-apache2 -debug -doc
 -ldap -mpm-itk -mpm-leader -mpm-peruser -mpm-prefork -mpm-threadpool
 -mpm-worker (-selinux) -ssl -static-modules -threads 0 kB
 

It looks like you have not selected an MPM. I believe you must select
an MPM ( which i believe is the choice of which engine to use for
dispatching pages )


 ww-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/modules/proxy
 -I/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/include
 -I/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/modules/generators
   -L/usr/lib   -o libpcre.la  maketables.lo get.lo study.lo pcre.lo
 pcreposix.lo
 make[3]: Leaving directory
 `/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/srclib/pcre'
 make[2]: Leaving directory
 `/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/srclib/pcre'
 make[1]: Leaving directory
 `/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/srclib'
 Making all in os
 make[1]: Entering directory
 `/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/os'
 make[1]: Leaving directory
 `/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/os'
 Making all in server
 make[1]: Entering directory
 `/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/server'
 Making all in mpm
 make[2]: Entering directory
 `/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/server/mpm'
 make[2]: *** No rule to make target `all'.  Stop.
 make[2]: Leaving directory
 `/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/server/mpm'
 make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
 make[1]: Leaving directory
 `/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/server'
 make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1

 !!! ERROR: www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2 failed.
 Call stack:
ebuild.sh, line 1621:   Called dyn_compile
ebuild.sh, line 973:   Called qa_call 'src_compile'
ebuild.sh, line 44:   Called src_compile
apache-2.0.58-r2.ebuild, line 181:   Called die

 !!! problem compiling apache2
 !!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call
 stack if relevant.
 !!! A complete build log is located at
 '/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/temp/build.log'.


   : (


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Re: [gentoo-user] Apache not compiling

[Kent Fredric]

On 8/1/07, Kent Fredric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 8/1/07, Alessandro del Gallo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi, when I try to compile Apache, I get this error.
 
   those are use flags, I try some configuratiosn but always get an error
  zombie ~ # grep apache /etc/portage/package.use
  www-servers/apache -doc -apache2 -ssl -mpm-itk -mpm-leader -mpm-peruser
  -mpm-prefork -mpm-threadpool -mpm-worker -ssl -threads
  zombie ~ # emerge apache -D -pvt
 
  These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order:
 
  Calculating dependencies... done!
  [ebuild  N] www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2  USE=-apache2 -debug -doc
  -ldap -mpm-itk -mpm-leader -mpm-peruser -mpm-prefork -mpm-threadpool
  -mpm-worker (-selinux) -ssl -static-modules -threads 0 kB
  

 It looks like you have not selected an MPM. I believe you must select
 an MPM ( which i believe is the choice of which engine to use for
 dispatching pages )


http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mpm.html

MPMs must be chosen during configuration, and compiled into the
server. Compilers are capable of optimizing a lot of functions if
threads are used, but only if they know that threads are being used.


The following table lists the default MPMs for various operating
systems. This will be the MPM selected if you do not make another
choice at compile-time.

Unixprefork

so try enabling the mpm-prefork and see what happens.
 
  ww-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/modules/proxy
  -I/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/include
  -I/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/modules/generators
-L/usr/lib   -o libpcre.la  maketables.lo get.lo study.lo pcre.lo
  pcreposix.lo
  make[3]: Leaving directory
  `/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/srclib/pcre'
  make[2]: Leaving directory
  `/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/srclib/pcre'
  make[1]: Leaving directory
  `/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/srclib'
  Making all in os
  make[1]: Entering directory
  `/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/os'
  make[1]: Leaving directory
  `/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/os'
  Making all in server
  make[1]: Entering directory
  `/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/server'
  Making all in mpm
  make[2]: Entering directory
  `/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/server/mpm'
  make[2]: *** No rule to make target `all'.  Stop.
  make[2]: Leaving directory
  `/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/server/mpm'
  make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
  make[1]: Leaving directory
  `/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/server'
  make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
 
  !!! ERROR: www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2 failed.
  Call stack:
 ebuild.sh, line 1621:   Called dyn_compile
 ebuild.sh, line 973:   Called qa_call 'src_compile'
 ebuild.sh, line 44:   Called src_compile
 apache-2.0.58-r2.ebuild, line 181:   Called die
 
  !!! problem compiling apache2
  !!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call
  stack if relevant.
  !!! A complete build log is located at
  '/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/temp/build.log'.
 
 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Apache not compiling

[Kent Fredric]

On 8/2/07, Alessandro del Gallo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 I did built it with mpm-prefork
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mpm.html

 but it failed:
http://pastebin.com/m7096a3ad



 I have some trouble with other configures (gstreamer  and gtk+ )

 for that I posted this:
http://pastebin.com/m2e0e9e58

#
./configure: line 30750: syntax error near unexpected token `('
#
./configure: line 30750: `  for ac_var in `(set) 21 | sed -n
's/^\([a-zA-Z_][a-zA-Z0-9_]*\)=.*/\1/p'`; do'


broken sed ?

isengard linux # echo  | sed -n 's/^\([a-zA-Z_][a-zA-Z0-9_]*\)=.*/\1/p'
isengard linux #

try running that in your shell like i did and see if it errors, if it
errors, then you might need to upgrade/recompile your sed.

( sed being broken can make a great many things go wrong  )




 Thanks

 Abraham Marín Pérez ha scritto:
  Alessandro del Gallo escribió:
  Hi, when I try to compile Apache, I get this error.
 
   those are use flags, I try some configuratiosn but always get an
  error
  zombie ~ # grep apache /etc/portage/package.use
  www-servers/apache -doc -apache2 -ssl -mpm-itk -mpm-leader
  -mpm-peruser -mpm-prefork -mpm-threadpool -mpm-worker -ssl -threads
  zombie ~ # emerge apache -D -pvt
 
  These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order:
 
  Calculating dependencies... done!
  [ebuild  N] www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2  USE=-apache2 -debug
  -doc -ldap -mpm-itk -mpm-leader -mpm-peruser -mpm-prefork
  -mpm-threadpool -mpm-worker (-selinux) -ssl -static-modules -threads
  0 kB
  
 
  ww-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/modules/proxy
  -I/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/include
  -I/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/modules/generators
   -L/usr/lib   -o libpcre.la  maketables.lo get.lo study.lo pcre.lo
  pcreposix.lo
  make[3]: Leaving directory
  `/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/srclib/pcre'
 
  make[2]: Leaving directory
  `/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/srclib/pcre'
 
  make[1]: Leaving directory
  `/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/srclib'
  Making all in os
  make[1]: Entering directory
  `/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/os'
  make[1]: Leaving directory
  `/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/os'
  Making all in server
  make[1]: Entering directory
  `/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/server'
  Making all in mpm
  make[2]: Entering directory
  `/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/server/mpm'
 
  make[2]: *** No rule to make target `all'.  Stop.
  make[2]: Leaving directory
  `/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/server/mpm'
 
  make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
  make[1]: Leaving directory
  `/var/tmp/portage/www-servers/apache-2.0.58-r2/work/httpd-2.0.58/server'
  make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
 
  Apparently the error comes when compiling the mpm section of Apache;
  since you seem to have disabled every multi-processing module it may be
  possible that configure generates a makefile with no option at all,
  making it fails when tries to build.
 
  I think this could be a bug; please post both the output of configure
  --help to see the options related to mpm's and the content of
  server/mpm/makefile*
 
 
  Abraham

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Re: [gentoo-user] Switching from Genkernel to manual build

[Kent Fredric]

On 8/2/07, Volker Armin Hemmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mittwoch, 1. August 2007, Kent Fredric wrote:
  On 8/1/07, Dan Cowsill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  /etc/genkernel.conf
 
 
  # Run 'make menuconfig' before compiling this kernel?
  MENUCONFIG=no
 
  # Run 'make clean' before compilation?
  # If set to NO, implies MRPROPER WILL NOT be run
  # Also, if clean is NO, it won't copy over any configuration
  # file, it will use what's there.
  CLEAN=no
 
  # Run 'make mrproper' before configuration/compilation?
  MRPROPER=no
 
  # Save the new configuration in /etc/kernels upon
  # successfull compilation
  SAVE_CONFIG=yes
 
  # Debug Level
  DEBUGLEVEL=5
 
  Set those, and then I recommend just stay with using genkernel, it
  basically converts genkernel from a kernel configurator, to merely a
  nice automated build-and-install script.
 
 
  that way you can configure your kernel custome like usual, and then just
  genkernel --kernname=somenickname all
 
  and go away and leave it and it will take care of the rest  :)
 
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 cp .config linux/
 make oldconfig
 make all modules_install install

 that is all that is needed to build a kernel without that genkernel stuff.

 You can put that in a script or in one line with some  in between, if you
 want.

 Results in sexy /boot like this:
 ls -lh /boot/
 insgesamt 7,1M
 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root1 20. Apr 2006  boot - .
 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   36 29. Jul 11:16 config -
 config-2.6.22.1-cfs-v19reiser4libata
 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  36K 29. Jul 01:50 config-2.6.22.1-cfs-v19reiser4
 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  34K 29. Jul 11:16 config-2.6.22.1-cfs-v19reiser4libata
 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  34K 29. Jul 03:19
 config-2.6.22.1-cfs-v19reiser4libata.old
 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   40 29. Jul 11:16 config.old -
 config-2.6.22.1-cfs-v19reiser4libata.old
 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1,0K 19. Jun 03:18 grub
 drwx-- 2 root root  12K 24. Mär 2003  lost+found
 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1,0K 11. Jun 19:27 memtest86plus
 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   40 29. Jul 11:16 System.map -
 System.map-2.6.22.1-cfs-v19reiser4libata
 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 934K 29. Jul 01:50 System.map-2.6.22.1-cfs-v19reiser4
 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 883K 29. Jul 11:16
 System.map-2.6.22.1-cfs-v19reiser4libata
 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 883K 29. Jul 03:19
 System.map-2.6.22.1-cfs-v19reiser4libata.old
 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   44 29. Jul 11:16 System.map.old -
 System.map-2.6.22.1-cfs-v19reiser4libata.old
 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   37 29. Jul 11:16 vmlinuz -
 vmlinuz-2.6.22.1-cfs-v19reiser4libata
 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1,6M 29. Jul 01:50 vmlinuz-2.6.22.1-cfs-v19reiser4
 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1,4M 29. Jul 11:16
 vmlinuz-2.6.22.1-cfs-v19reiser4libata
 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1,4M 29. Jul 03:19
 vmlinuz-2.6.22.1-cfs-v19reiser4libata.old
 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   41 29. Jul 11:16 vmlinuz.old -
 vmlinuz-2.6.22.1-cfs-v19reiser4libata.old

 the symlinks are all created by install.
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Yeah, but 1: no INITRD is built,
 2: using genkernel build script will automatically add new entries in grub.conf
ie:

zcat /proc/config.gz  .config
make oldconfig
genkernel --kernname=sexy all  reboot

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: reiserfsprogs

[Kent Fredric]

On 7/31/07, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Volker Armin Hemmann volker.armin.hemmann at tu-clausthal.de writes:


I've never seen starting up X/kde cause a system to hang before...

   Is the whole system handing, or just X?


 The entire system latches up tight, even the ssh remote shells and console.

   Do you have a networked computer
   you can SSH in from, that would enable you to kill X.

 I start X(kde) with startx. I followed the guides in
 http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/list.xml

 Code Listing 2.4: Configuring your local session
 $ echo exec startkde  ~/.xinitrc

 X/kde runs fine, but when I exit it now, the system latches up, tight
 all ssh sessions, the console, everything.



Try Disabling anything fancy ( ie: composite support ), or try
disabling APIC. I had a glitch a while back where composite + apic =
system lockup, and later, something in QT4 tripped it up.



   If all else fails,
   and provided you have enabled CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ in your kernel, hold
   down Alt and SysReq/PrtScr and press S, U and B in turn to reboot
   (reasonably) cleanly. Pausing a couple of seconds between each key is
   probably a good idea.

 Interesting idea however this laptop does not have this key SysReq/PrtScr.



  E, I, S, U, B

  so everything is killed, and nothing trying to write to disk, when 
  unmounting
  them.


 Hmm, I do not think you understand, when I exit X/kde the entire system is
 latched up tight. None of the keys work, nothing is echoed to the screen,
 the system is latched up tight. All I can do is power cycle the system.
 When I do that the screen fades and the mouse cursor is visible but slowly
 fades to a solid white screen. The system hangs at the very moment I use
 the logout button in kde, to exit the system.

 Very strange and very repeatable.

 maybe emerge --emptytree world?

 revdep-rebuild -p is fine.

 I am clueless how to fix this... ideas?


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: reiserfsprogs

[Kent Fredric]

On 7/30/07, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 5) If (2) indicates corruptions that can only be corrected by --rebuild-tree
a) If you suspect your hardware is failing -- replace it.  reiserfs doesn't
 like bad hardware and continuing the recovery process on it will likely cause
 more pain that it will alleviate.
b) Begin praying.

This guy knows his stuff. Last time I used reiser I didn't pray enough
to keep it going

c) Have you ever stored a different reiserfs on this block device without
 erasing it?  This includes uncompressed lookback files in this or previous
 filesystems.  If so, you are likely in much trouble.  My best suggestion is
 to try and overwrite such data, but how to find it?  Good question.

Yeah ... definitely take note of that sucker , if you ever did dd
if=/dev/someresierdrive of=/home/somemountedreiserfs/img  for  backup
purposes, just either give up the idea of a rebuild tree, or find a
young lamb to slaughter,  just in case praying ain't sufficient.

d) reiserfsck --rebuild-tree /dev/block
e) Read warning, type Yes (the whole word) to continue.
f) Continue praying.

And/Or maybe fast a few days first. This is important stuff :S

g) Go to (2), if it completes at all you can stop praying, for now.
 6) Healthy reiserfs, perhaps with some misplaced data in lost+found.

and possibly random files all over your file system who's names have
no resemblance to their content, which used to be in an uncompressed
reiser, and now is unpacked all over its host FS.

all the best :)


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Re: [gentoo-user] Receiving GWN via email?

[Kent Fredric]

On 7/28/07, Volker Armin Hemmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Samstag, 28. Juli 2007, Billy McCann wrote:
  Hi.  Could someone confirm that they are receiving the GWN to their
  inbox, so that I'll know it's just me not getting it?  That'd be
  swell.
 

 I don't receive it too.

 It is on the web page but was not sent to the ml.

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Looks like they're failing to publish it via the ML

http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.weekly-news/cutoff=212

I've posted a bug https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=186864

Hopefully we'll have this solved :)


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Re: [gentoo-user] Can't compile eix

[Kent Fredric]

On 7/28/07, Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have a much abused gentoo system on which I was trying to update eix.
 I get quite a few errors and i am not sure how far back up the output to
 go. Heres the last bits anyway. Can anyone tell me what I can do to fix
 that?

 ../../src/search/redundancy.h:37: error: syntax error before `,' token
 ../../src/search/redundancy.h:43: error: declaration does not declare
 anything
 error: syntax
error before `' token
 /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.3.6/include/g++-v3/bits/localefwd.h:149:
 error: syntax
error before `' token


for a start it looks like the wrong GCC, last i read eix doesnt
compile with  gcc-3.4

make sure you have a more recent compiler selected with either
eselect-compiler or with gcc-config   ( if you have  a 4.0 or greater
available, i suggest you switch to that to guarantee eix to work )



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Re: [gentoo-user] Running Scripts

[Kent Fredric]

On 7/28/07, Greg Lindstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Wow!  Thanks for the help.  See my comments below pertaining to individual
 remarks.
 --greg

 Alex asked:
  is is possible that you saved the text file in DOS format, with CR-LF
  endings instead of LF only?
 
  If od -t x2 hello.py shows 0a0d sequences, this is the case. You could
  use dos2unix to convert.
 

 $ od -t x2 hello.py
 000 2123 752f 7273 622f 6e69 652f 766e 7020
 020 7479 6f68 0a6e 7270 6e69 2074 6827 6c65
 040 6f6c 202c 6f77 6c72 2764 000a
 053

  Nope.  That looks good.

 Boyd Wrote:

  which env
 
  ls -l /usr/bin/env
  ls -l /usr/bin/python

 I'm not sure what you are asking here.

 $ ls -l /usr/bin/env
 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 May 18  2006 /usr/bin/env - /bin/env

  $ ls -l /usr/bin/python
 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 May 18  2006 /usr/bin/python - python2.4


 Uwe Thiem  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  This leads to the question whether you can start *any* executable from
 your
  home directory (assuming you stored your script somewhere under your home
  directory). If not so, do you mount your /home partition with the noexec
  option?

 I have the same problem with  Perl scripts; I haven't tried any others.  Is
 there a way to tell how the partition is mounted?  I'm sorry to say that I
 am a lowly user on the system and don't really know much about how it is set
 up.

 Thank-you so much for your attention.  This is a small problem, as I can run
 the scripts with python (or perl) then the filename.  I'd just like to
 understand what's happening.

 --greg




try a plain old bash script and see if that works, and try this and
see if it works:

cat  testrun.c
#include stdio.h
int main(int argc, int* argv)
{
  printf(helloworld);
}
( press ctrl+d here )

make testrun

./testrun

if that fails to do ./testrun, then i figgure the FS your on isn't
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Re: [gentoo-user] Running Scripts

[Kent Fredric]

On 7/29/07, Uwe Thiem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 28 July 2007, Kent Fredric wrote:

  try a plain old bash script and see if that works, and try this and
  see if it works:
 
  cat  testrun.c
  #include stdio.h
  int main(int argc, int* argv)
  {
printf(helloworld);
  }
  ( press ctrl+d here )
 
  make testrun

 Without writing a Makefile, make won't build the program. ;-)

funny, it did for me :P

just make testrun does ok,.. testrun = target, what makes testrun?..
*looks around* ah... heres a testrun.c, that aught to do it :D  


$ls -l testrun.c Makefile
ls: cannot access Makefile: No such file or directory
-rw-r--r-- 1 devious users 77 2007-07-29 00:24 testrun.c

$make testrun
cc testrun.c   -o testrun

$ ./testrun
helloworld


 You better try this:

 gcc -o testrun testrun.c

 Uwe

 
  ./testrun
 
  if that fails to do ./testrun, then i figgure the FS your on isn't
  execable. sorry. ^^
 
 
 
 
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Re: [gentoo-user] reiserfsprogs

[Kent Fredric]

On 7/29/07, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,

 Were are the docs for the utilities for sys-fs/reiserfsprogs ?

 I cannot seem to locate any documentation of running fsck or such
 utilities manually on a reiserfs partition. I want to read about
 what those utilities are and how they work.


 James


  ?

qlist sys-fs/reiserfsprogs
/usr/share/doc/reiserfsprogs-3.6.19-r1/ChangeLog.gz
/usr/share/doc/reiserfsprogs-3.6.19-r1/README.gz
/usr/share/doc/reiserfsprogs-3.6.19-r1/INSTALL.gz
/usr/share/man/man8/reiserfsck.8.gz
/usr/share/man/man8/mkreiserfs.8.gz
/usr/share/man/man8/debugreiserfs.8.gz
/usr/share/man/man8/reiserfstune.8.gz
/usr/share/man/man8/resize_reiserfs.8.gz
/sbin/reiserfstune
/sbin/resize_reiserfs
/sbin/reiserfsck
/sbin/mkreiserfs
/sbin/debugreiserfs
/sbin/fsck.reiserfs
/sbin/mkfs.reiserfs


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Running Scripts

[Kent Fredric]

On 7/29/07, Moshe Kamensky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 * Greg Lindstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] [27/07/07 12:18]:
  Hello-
 
  I am programming Python (2.4.1) scripts to run on our Gentoo boxes and am
  having a bit of trouble I was hoping you could help me with.  My file,
  hello.py looks like this:
 
  #!/usr/bin/python
  print 'hello, python'
 
  I add execute permission to the file and try to run it as follows:
 
  myprompt $ ./hello.py
 
  and get
 
  -bash: ./hello.py: /usr/bin/env: bad interpreter: Permission denied
 
  running /usr/bin/python brings up the python shell, so that's in place.
 
  What am I missing to run these files (they run fine with I type in 'python'
  before the filename).  BTW, I have the same issue running Perl scripts which
  is why I'm asking the question here.
 

 Did you manage to run such scripts located in other directories? I think
 you need support in the kernel for such scripts. Do you see

 CONFIG_BINFMT_MISC=y

 in /proc/config.gz?


eh? kernel doesn't control fs permissions for binaries.

If he can emerge --help  without a problem, then its not an execution
problem, its just a permission problem. I simply figgure hes not
privelaged to run executables on filesystems hes got write access to (
a logical idea for a shared system trying to prevent exploitation )

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Re: [gentoo-user] Thanks to the user community

[Kent Fredric]

On 7/28/07, Albert Hopkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 While we're on the subject...

 I'd like to the free software user community.  Free software would be
 meaningless without you.  I especially appreciate the users who have

   * Used free software.
   * Submitted bug reports, ideas, corrections, artwork,
 documentation, translations, etc.
   * Helped your fellow user and guided new users
   * Provided free marketing for free software (i.e. spread the
 word)
   * Challenged free software to do better
   * Assured free software developers that they were not doing it for
 naught

 And remember: every free software developer is also a free software
 user.  Thank you all for making the free software community the
 strongest, most dynamic and exciting virtual community to be a part
 of.

 But seriously, shouldn't we be waiting until November to say this? ;-)
 --
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s/like to the free/like to thank the free/

*hides in his bad nazi corner* ^^;

Its a big mutual thing. Devs give us good stuff to play with for free
and we return the favour. Its one those cyclic dependancys... except
this one doesn't suck :D

Besides, ... there is not a real 'non-free-software-community' ... at
least in my opinon, and if there is, it totally sucks ;). The rest
goes without saying when you take that into consideration.( Ie: any
software community which fails to perform the above suggested tasks
IMO, is a dead one )



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Re: [gentoo-user] Still can't play audio CD's

[Kent Fredric]

On 7/26/07, Colleen Beamer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Kent Fredric wrote:

 Does your CDROM drive have a dedicated headphone socket?, if so, plug
 it in and see if you get any sound.
 My personal suggestion : ditch kscd. My cd player/sound system works
 fine, and kscd just thrashes doing the exact same thing you did ( I
 removed my audio cable to ensure proper digital extraction... it just
 didn't play ball )
snip

 Amarok should also  be able to play CD's digitally via Xine ( tested
 here to work )
Any of you guys fans of animated flicks?  Remember in the first Aladdin
movie when Aladdin dupes the genie into an extra wish and the genie
says, Boy do I feel stupid?  Well that's me.

What can I say, I'm a creature of habit.  I have always used kscd to
play audio CD's, but I'm a big fan of amaroK for playing my music
collection.  However, amaroK worked fine to play an audio CD.  I really
don't understand what the  me, but it doesn't really matter.  In the
end, I can do what I wanted to do!

Thanks everyone for their patience.  Gentoo is not only the *best*
distribution IMHO, but the participants on the gentoo-user mailing list
are the *absolute best* - much better than some of the distro-specific
mailing lists that I participated in before I saw the light and
switched to Gentoo!

Thanks again!

Colleen
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In essence, KSCD by default uses analog mode, which transfers the
audio via an   extra  4/3 wire cable directly to your sound card,
which uses 0 CPU to do so( it merely sends an 'ok, play this'
instruction like you would a stereo and the drive handles the rest).
For some unknown reason, KSCD's digital mode, which works by reading
the bitstream off the  CD via good-ol 40/80 wire and processing it,
and then transporting it to the sound card via the CPU, is broken, its
not a hardware problem, just KSCD.

Normally KSCD would work fine, as most desktops come with the
appropriate sockets, and most cdrom drives provide the appropriate
cable, for it to just work.

But it would seem your laptop lacks the 4-wire connection bridging the
cdrom to the sound card, for whatever reason, and as KSCD is broken in
the digital department.

So the only solution lies in using some other form of digital
extractor, and in the case of amaroK .. this is most likely the XINE
library ( which is a bit more tested than KSCD most likely )

Hope you enjoy musicy goodness.

Amarok is incomparable to anything on earth :D

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Re: [gentoo-user] Still can't play audio CD's

[Kent Fredric]

On 7/25/07, Colleen Beamer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Steve Dommett wrote:
 Colleen Beamer wrote:
 If anyone can provide me with direction, I would sure appreciate it.

 Sorry I can't help you with your ALSA config.  I've been stuck for
 months now trying to enable SPDIF-out on my own laptop. However:
 I notice from your first post on this topic that you're trying to play
 audio CDs with kscd.  You've already stated that music already ripped
 from CD plays just fine.
 Have you tried enabling Configure kscd - CD Player - CD-ROM Device:
 Use direct digital playback ?
 This option tells kscd to rip the CD on-the-fly and playback using the
 standard PCM output on the sound card, rather than relying on the CD
 audio lead and mixer settings which seem to be causing you so much
 trouble.

Got all excited here, 'cause I hadn't done as you suggested and thought
that it might solve the problem.  However, when I selected direct
digital playback, the CD appears to be playing - i.e. the Play button
changes to Pause, but the timer  that advances as the track plays
remains at 0:00 and I still get no sound.  With 'direct digital
playback' *not* selected, I get no sound, but the timer advances as the
track plays.

Regards,

Colleen
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Does your CDROM drive have a dedicated headphone socket?, if so, plug
it in and see if you get any sound.
My personal suggestion : ditch kscd. My cd player/sound system works
fine, and kscd just thrashes doing the exact same thing you did ( I
removed my audio cable to ensure proper digital extraction... it just
didn't play ball ).

if you have mplayer, try this:

mplayer cdda:// -cdrom-device /dev/hdWHATEVER
or
mplayer cddb:// -cdrom-device /dev/hdWHATEVER

if you dont have that, and have/want to use xine instead,
make sure setup/media-audio_cd.device is set and you should be away
laughing as soon as you hit that big 'cd button' on the UI or playlist
( i had a bit of delay... not sure why, but it worked )

Amarok should also  be able to play CD's digitally via Xine ( tested
here to work )






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Re: [gentoo-user] Hotswapable Drive

[Kent Fredric]

On 7/25/07, Florian Philipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi!

I'd like to know what's the current best practice to handle a hotswapable
SATA-drive. It's the optical drive of my Dell Latitude D520 laptop, the so
called Media Bay.

If I plug it in while the system is online, it is not recognized. Under normal
circumstances (e.g. coldplugged) it works fine.

Thanks in advance!

Florian Philipp





IF your system fails to recognize it on plug you may have an
older/noconformant controller or missing appropriate kernel
modules/drivers to govern them.

Reccommnended Install Procedure
1. Plug in data cable
2. Plug in power cable
3. Check dmesg
4. check /dev/ for new node ( udev should make one )
5. Mount

Removal
1. Unmount
2. Remove power
3. remove data.

( Although For me I think both work, its just I know that the power
connector is the one with all the different pin lengths allowing the
drive to say ok, see you later before it powers off )
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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] English sucks (was: Re: Installation problems)

[Kent Fredric]

On 7/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 -Original Message-
 From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hendrik Boom
 Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:35 PM
 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 Subject: [gentoo-user] [OT] English sucks (was: Re:
 Installation problems)


 On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:44:32 +0100, Mike Williams wrote:

 
  All a good learning process, glad you got it working.
  Oh and you're right, english sucks, and I'm english.
 

 Since you brought the word up, yes, there has to be a problem
 in a language where sucks and blows can mean the same thing.

 -- hendrik

O.o
You know, you are right.
And it is true in every context except one.

^^;;

In a dozen different contexts that have minimal or no
scientific meaning, sucks and blows mean the same
thing. :P

@.@




Just wait till you read about birds, ... and pray nobody crosses a
spit with a swallow.

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Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/modules.d how to understand

[Kent Fredric]

On 7/17/07, Helmut Jarausch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

I'd like to understand the magic of files in /etc/modules.d
How to write such an 'alias' line.
Can anybody point me to a HowTo?

E.g. in kernel 2.6.22 there is no more an option to select
a USB-WACOM tablet input.
I've built the kernel module from the linuxwacom project,
but what's the right way to load the module.
(I could do an explicit insmod in /etc/conf.d/local.start
 but that's not the canonical solution, isn't it.)

Many thanks for your help,

Helmut Jarausch



I don't know how 'right' this is, but I just'd

echo wacom  /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6

But like Ian says, its there in .22, you just have to look harder. :)


isengard devious # modinfo wacom
filename:
/lib/modules/2.6.22-gentoo-r1kz/kernel/drivers/input/tablet/wacom.ko
license:GPL
description:USB Wacom Graphire and Wacom Intuos tablet driver
author: Vojtech Pavlik [EMAIL PROTECTED]
license:GPL
description:USB Wacom Graphire and Wacom Intuos tablet driver
author: Vojtech Pavlik [EMAIL PROTECTED]
srcversion: 3869A1CC72D9632ABD76D1D


zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i wacom
CONFIG_TABLET_USB_WACOM=m



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Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo Healthy? (The Return)

[Kent Fredric]

On 7/5/07, Paul Waring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 09:40:10PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
   emerge is along the same lines.  make menuconfig is the limits of my
 expertise.  I remember RPM hell with Redhat linux, trying to find an
 RPM package for a program I wanted, where the developer hadn't linked it
 against a bunch of stuff I didn't have.  I can take a text-only basic
 system, emerge gimp, and emerge will pull in and build, in the right
 order, all the necessary X libraries, GTK, etc, etc.  I end up with a
 functional TWM desktop.  emerge bbkeys emerges blackbox
 key-controls... after first emerging blackbox.  Try doing that with
 RPMs.

What makes you think that you can't do that with RPMs now? Seven years
ago they were a nightmare but things have moved on since then. The same
goes for deb files (can't think of any other major ones off the top of
my head).

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* Binary Dependency
* No USE
* Binary Dependency Breaks = No solution other than choose which of
the 2 programs you want to lose.
* Forceful ignorance of binary dependencies triggers stupid stuff like
spontaneous removal of all of libc.

( i think thats the sort of headaches he was referring to with rpm-hell )

Conclusion on binary based distros:
   wait for upstream to fix.
Conclusion on source based distros:
   you can fix it yourself, and today.

I'd rather be able to have breakages I can work around  ;)

So not only is gentoo healthy, imo, its a very healthy test-bed for
the whole world of OSS.

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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Storing ssh and gpg keys in USB flash drives

[Kent Fredric]

On 7/5/07, José González Gómez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi there,

I would like to store my ssh and gpg keys in my usb flash drive, but I'm not
sure what's the best way to do it:

If I use vfat so I can also read them from Windows I have two problems:
first you must mount your USB key with a 0077 umask, so ssh and gpg doesn't
complain about key permissions; latest KDE version seems to auto mount USB
flash drives using pmount with a 0022 umask and I haven't been able to
change this, so I either mount it manually or change the permissions after
being mounted. The second problem is related to gpg: it seems that gpg uses
links to lock the keyrings, and vfat doesn't support them, so I'm able to
read keys, but not to make any modfication on them.

If I use ext2 the permission problem goes away (kind of), but I have the
feeling that this isn't as portable as vfat, as the filesystem uses the user
id to control access to files, and pluging the drive in another system where
my user may have anoter uid leads me to chowning/chmoding in the better case
or not having access to my keys in the worst case.

Any ideas?

Best regards
Jose



vfat{
vfatfiles
ext2fs{
   gpg_stuff
}
}

1. Mount vfat drive
2. dd if=/dev/full bs=1048580 count=4096 of =/mountpoint/mynewextfile
3. mkfs.ext2 /mountpoin/mynewextfile
4. mount /mountpoint/mynewextfile/  /someothermountpoint/
5. cp files to /someothermountpoint/
6. use /someothermountpoint/
7. umount /someothermountpoint/
8. umount /mountpoint/

I didn't say it would be pretty, but that is a handy trick to have up the sleve.
that would make a 4 Meg file containing a filesystem to hold your
files, just like a TAR file, except with all the features of ext2 and
no need unpack it to use.

You can do anything with linux, really. Yes. even format a file as a
filesystem and mount it
( a word of warning : dont do this and format with reiserfs and then
store that file on a reiserfs fs ... if you do, next time you need to
--rebuild-tree reiser will try to be smart and trash your drive :) ...
learn't the hard way )

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Re: [gentoo-user] Index to /usr/share/doc/...html... a reinvented wheel?

[Kent Fredric]

On 7/4/07, Kevin O'Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I emerge with the doc USE flag and generally have a bunch of stuff in
/usr/share/doc.  Most of the time it's the HTML stuff I want to read, but
it's a annoyingly laborious to wade through unindexed directgories and get a
browser pointing to the right thing.  So I wrote a little Perl script to
create a top-level  index.html, organized by package and with a bit of
rudimentary pruning.  I bookmarked it in Firefox, and can get to things a
lot faster now.  I like the result, and will continue to tweak it here and
there.

Did I just reinvent a wheel? If not, is there any point it trying to make
this part of gentoo?  If so, how would one do that?

Current script attached.

--
Kevin O'Gorman, PhD




debian have a similar and much nicer tool  called dwww which merges
all html-doc, htmlized infopages, and htmlized manpages into one
uniform system. I think gentoo being better should have an equivelant.
But as  of yet, no such equivelant exists, which I think is sad, as
in my experience, the documentation available to gentoo as a whole is
/much/ superior to that on competing distros I have encounted.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo Healthy? (The Return)

[Kent Fredric]

On 7/4/07, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In December 2006 I started a thread titled Is Gentoo Healthy? in
which I was roundly put down for raising the possibility that the
decline in the number of Gentoo users could possibly affect the
remaining Gentoo users in a negative way.


blatant bias
I see people leaving gentoo as some sort of self voluntary step in the
natural progression of a distro.  People moving from Gentoo to
$OTHERDISTRO raises the average intelligence of both distros ;)


Is everyone still toeing that line?  The Gentoo Weekly Newsletter
hasn't been published in almost two months.  Is Gentoo destined to be
just another distro starved for contributors and struggling to stay up
to date?  If so, I really misjudged it.  The meta approach of Gentoo
is superior to any other in my mind, and I think it's growth and
potential are being stunted by the we don't need them attitude which
perpetuates Gentoo's lack of usability features for beginners.


The problem is if you focus on usability for newbies, you'll focus
less on features and customization, or you'll have to find a way to
hide this customizability because customization confuses newbies, and
spending time dancing around the lesser populace is time wasted on
doing practical stuff ( While I'll admit theres got to be a half-way,
or gentoo will never get any fresh blood, but I'd prefer to entice
fresh blood from people who have some potential to improve the distro
)

And if your introducing a newbie to Linux, maybe gentoos not the right
thing to teach them. Thats why we have distros out there like linspire
(  ) .

IMO, gentoo is already user-friendly enough, if you take it from the
perspective Gentoo is LFS + Userfriendlyness.


Gentoo needs as many users as possible to reach its potential.  It's a
short-sighted mistake to think that non-contributing users do Gentoo


And theres no point in targeting a distro at an audience who still
don't know what a power button is, and are confused about downloading
attachments from hotmail. Some usuability is good, but you need some
boundaries of sanity, and I think gentoo is currently hitting the
perfect target audience for people who want control and customization,
and are willing to experiment with things to get things done.

( and if you really want to introduce a total noob to gentoo and don't
mind wasting some time... your best option is to set up for them, and
show them it just works, and then show them information on a strictly
'need-to-know' basis when they come asking )


no good.  Non-contributing users become contributors as time passes.
Car mechanics all start as car drivers.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Change the case of file names

[Kent Fredric]

On 7/3/07, Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Monday 02 July 2007 23:08, Willie Wong wrote:

 from 'info sed' - Examples

  #! /bin/sh
  # rename files to lower/upper case...
[snip...]

 (And don't ask me why I remember this particular example being in the
 sed info page ;p )

WOW! I didn't expect so many ways to get this done, thanks guys for all your
suggestions.  :)
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If you want something that should work on all linuxes in theory
without the need for changing the disk standard to something thats
potentially incompatible with a given system ( say for example for
some reason your target machine cant for some forsaken reason read
joliet enabled disks ) you may wish to look for the 'trans.tbl'
option, which to the best of my knowlege creates a file on the disk
explaining the real-full-length version of a shortened filename
without having to munge the disk standard. ( I think of it like a
meta-data-in-file-on-filesystem instead of
alter-filesystem-spec-to-handle-metadata option )

( Ok, its obsolete, but has saved my bacon once or twice )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRANS.TBL
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_9660#Extensions

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Re: [gentoo-user] Change the case of file names

[Kent Fredric]

On 7/5/07, Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Wednesday 04 July 2007 08:03, Kent Fredric wrote:

 If you want something that should work on all linuxes in theory
 without the need for changing the disk standard to something thats
 potentially incompatible with a given system ( say for example for
 some reason your target machine cant for some forsaken reason read
 joliet enabled disks ) you may wish to look for the 'trans.tbl'
 option, which to the best of my knowlege creates a file on the disk
 explaining the real-full-length version of a shortened filename
 without having to munge the disk standard. ( I think of it like a
 meta-data-in-file-on-filesystem instead of
 alter-filesystem-spec-to-handle-metadata option )

 ( Ok, its obsolete, but has saved my bacon once or twice )

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRANS.TBL
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_9660#Extensions

Thanks Kent, how do I specify that option?  Is it in k3b?
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I believe its on the 'advanced settings' or something page with old k3b.
The new one its listed as  'create TRANS.TBL' files' under the
customize button on the filesystems tab of the properties dialog.

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Re: [gentoo-user] eaccelerator messes up virtual webapps

[Kent Fredric]

On 6/30/07, Christoph Erdle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

I encountered a really annoying behavior of eccelerator.

On my server I run several installs of wordpress using gentoo's
webapp-config, all up to the same version. When the cache is empty
all works as expected, it caches the called php pages. BUT when I
access a different install of wordpress I get the sites that were
cached for the installation i accessed before.

In the log of eaccelerator I see that the hits are for the wrong
locations on the file system, it seems that eaccelerator only caches
an checksum of the files accessed but not their actual path. E.g. all
index.php for all wordpress installs are the same, as they are
installed via webapp-config, and the cache hits for the first one
accessed.

Are there any possibilities getting eaccelerator to run on a vhost
environment?

Any help appreciated,
Steelynose

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You could just mass modify the php scripts so the checksums don't fire the same.

If you get desperate for answers :

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#!/usr/bin/ruby
#
#
#
#   turns ? in all files in the current directory with .php
#   to  /*random:BYTESHERE:*/?
#   we replace the closing tag instead of the opening cos the opening might
#   be ?php instead and we dont want to break stuff
#
def randomBytes()
bchars = %w{1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F}
bcount = bchars.length
output = 
10.times{ |z|
output  bchars[(rand * bcount-1).round]
}
return output
end



# Foreach PHP File
Dir::glob(**/*.php){ |x|
# if already backed up, do nothing
unless FileTest::exists?(#{x}.bak)
output = []
#backup
`cp #{x} #{x}.bak`
#read file
input  =File.new(#{x}, r )
input.each_line{ |line|
output.push(line.gsub(/\?\/, /*random: + randomBytes() + 
:*/? ))
}
input.close;
#write file
replace = File.new(#{x},w)
output.each{ |x|
replace.puts(x);
}
replace.close
end

}
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Re: [gentoo-user] Open Relay - What Happened?

[Kent Fredric]

On 6/29/07, Randy Barlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Vladimir Rusinov wrote:
 You have problems with client restrictions.
 It is very weird that spammer haven't attacked your server since November.

Thanks for your help Vladimir, I believe my e-mail server is secure now!

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Just be aware bounce-mails are not nessicarily an indication of a
compromised box. Lately some spammers have learn't they can double
their audience and halve their own send rate by putting victim1 as the
to address, and victim2 as the from field, so that way when
servers send a 'sorry, cant deliver this message'  it bascially acts
as a open-relay-on-bounce ( if theres any doubt, check the headers of
the bounced message, sometimes you'll find your server never touched
it )
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Re: [gentoo-user] fragmented data

[Kent Fredric]

On 6/29/07, Randy Barlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
 And when you have fragmented data something like 5mb/sec sustained is hard to
 achieve .

Is there a utility to defrag reiserfs filesystems?  What about ext
filesystems?

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I remember seeing an EXT2 defrag tool a few years ago, but all I can
remember is that running it on my EXT3 drive hosed it. :P



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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kernel heat warnings at low temps

[Kent Fredric]

On 6/27/07, James Ausmus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 6/26/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Alex Schuster [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 [...]

  What has the hdd temp to do with cpu tmeprature?

 [...]

  hddtemp and cputemp are completly and totally unrelated.

 [...]

 First ... thanks for the other tips..

 I think you fellows may have this a bit wrong.  I have three video
 editing desktops all running win xp.  On them I use a piece of
 software called `Hardware sensors monitor' or Hmonitor.

 I've noticed over time (mnths) that when the cpu gets hot, the hdd are
 also at elevated temps.  Maybe not critical but well above where the
 run normally.

 This is on three different midtower boxes, so I have surmized that
 although the heating of cpu may not be related mechanically to hdd
 temp, in fact they rise and fall together due probably to close
 proximity and being contained in same box.

 I realize this is not a definitive experiment but for my uses it does
 work like that.

Just as a note on a possible explanation for your observations in your
Windows boxes:

Most likely (CMIIW), when you notice the CPU and HDD temps rise, you
are actively doing video editing - a CPU and memory *and* hard drive
intensive task. When hard drives are driven hard, they heat up. When
CPU's are driven hard, they heat up. If the computers main
functionality is a task that tends to drive hard both the CPU and
the hard drive, then yes, you will see a correspondence in the CPU/HDD
temperature patterns. However, this does not mean that you *cannot*
drive the CPU hard without driving the HDD hard, and vice versa - just
because the are both being driven hard when you do video editing does
not mean that they are inextricably linked to each other in workload
and temperature profile.

What operations are being performed on your Gentoo box when you see
these CPU temperature warnings?

-James



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You can drive a CPU heavily without crunching disk IO, just windows
doen't do that so well ( espcially the case if you run out of ram and
drive into swap,.. which windows seems more predisposed to doing in my
experience ). You want an example of how to do this, then open any
high-level math software, ie: povray, video-encoding, compression,
SETI.

And you can drive hard-drives heavily without your CPU getting hot
too, I think its something related to DMA and the fact we no longer
use PIO ( well.. at least i hope not ), simply by performing
disk-to-disk transfers ( while there will still be a lot of CPU usage,
its still a bit less than you'd get without offloading ), this is
especially the case if you have a real RAID system and your doing a
RAID controlled mirror ( it has its own processor to control that )

The similarity in temperatures tho, may be related to the dynamics of
case design ( ill pretend to know what im talking about, im no
professor on this, but i have worked out how to cut degrees ).  In the
closed case, most of the time ( at least in my experience ) the
majority of hard-drive cooling is passive, relying soley on the
lone-case-fan by the CPU,  or even relying on the cooling fans in the
PSU, and generally, at least in all the tower PCS ive seen, the heat
flows out of the hard drives and over the CPU / Northbridge .

Often, this is a big sodding melting pot of heat, with your GPU just
under the northbridge, the CPU just up from the northbridge, that area
can get a bit heated, and the extra heat from the hard drives I
believe lowers the effectiveness of the CPU cooler somewhat. My
solution was not a very pretty one, but it works like a bloody charm.

I effectively made a breakout-box for my hard drives, ( well, 4 bars
of aluminium with holes in it for screwing them together ) with all
the hard drives mounted in parallel in a 'portrait' position. ( to
allow heat to flow up over the drives unconstricted ) and mounted 2
cooling fans on the sides to blow cool air over the hard drives and
back into the room  ( EM purists look away here  ) basically
isolating the cooling systems as as not to be so codepenant. To do
this i need to have my case panels off 24/7, i admit, but my case is
so crap that keeping them on is too much effort.

In summary : CPU temp cannot be accurately measured with HDD sensor
probes, ...especially as CPU is up from hard drives in most cases, and
heat .. generally rises.
If console logs are complainging about CPU over-heat, then either its
overheating, your thresholds are too low, ...or whatevers doing the
measurement is broken.

If you cant find out from some in-linux tool what the problem is, ...
you may want to find some sort of alternative way of measuring
temperature ( ... laser thermometer might be an idea ... )

Either way, best of luck .
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.5.7 : slow shutdown

[Kent Fredric]

On 6/18/07, Philip Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

KDE 3.5.7 is significantly slower than 3.5.6 to shutdown (15 sec, was 5 sec).
I use 'startx' from a raw console to start it
 'logout' from the KDE menu to close it (then shutdown from the console).
There are various apps running on desktops, but that hasn't changed.
Has anyone else encountered this ?  Does anyone have helpful suggestions ?


prelinking[1] could be of help, but thats usually used to make kde
_Start_ faster.
It could just be you have more programs open in the session and its
taking time for it to save those session details.

1: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/prelink-howto.xml
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Re: [gentoo-user] skype

[Kent Fredric]

On 6/18/07, Uwe Thiem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 17 June 2007, Matthew R. Lee wrote:
 Well skype upgraded this morning to version 1.4.0.74 and it aint working.
 When I tried running it from the command line I get the following:
 /opt/skype/skype: error while loading shared libraries: libQtDBus.so.4:
 cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
 revdep-rebuild doesn't pick any thing up
 Do I have to rebuild Qt? or another package?  which one provides that
 library. I've tried down-grading to the previous version but that's now
 been package.masked

It seems the new version of skype depends on Qt4 while you propably have
installed Qt3. One *can* install both versions, but it's a bit tricky to make
Qt3-dependent packages (like KDE 3.x) compile correctly when both versions
are present. I think there is a tutorial or just a post to the forums about
it.

Uwe


Installed versions:
3.3.8-r2 (cups -debug doc examples -firebird gif -immqt -immqt-bc ipv6
mysql nas -nis -odbc opengl postgres sqlite xinerama)
4.3.0 (accessibility cups dbus -debug doc examples -firebird gif glib
-input_devices_wacom jpeg mng mysql nas -nis -odbc opengl pch png
postgres qt3support sqlite sqlite3 ssl tiff xinerama zlib)

I have both installed, I don't recall doing anything 'special' as
iirc, they use different directory systems, and by default the $QTDIR
is pointed to the 3.X last i looked.

KDE3.X compiles without a prob here.



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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge kdesktop fails

[Kent Fredric]

On 6/18/07, dexter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

This is from emerge --info

Portage 2.1.2.7 (default-linux/x86/2007.0, gcc-4.1.2, glibc-2.5-r3,
2.6.20-gentoo-r8 i686)
=
System uname: 2.6.20-gentoo-r8 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2900+
Gentoo Base System release 1.12.9
Timestamp of tree: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:50:01 +
dev-java/java-config: 1.3.7, 2.0.32
dev-lang/python: 2.4.4-r4
dev-python/pycrypto: 2.0.1-r5
sys-apps/sandbox:1.2.17
sys-devel/autoconf:  2.61
sys-devel/automake:  1.6.3, 1.7.9-r1, 1.9.6-r2, 1.10
sys-devel/binutils:  2.16.1-r3
sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.3.14
sys-devel/libtool:   1.5.22
virtual/os-headers:  2.6.17-r2
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=x86
AUTOCLEAN=yes
CBUILD=i686-pc-linux-gnu
CFLAGS=-march=athlon-xp -mtune=athlon-xp -O2 -pipe -mfpmath=sse
CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu
CONFIG_PROTECT=/etc
CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK=/etc/env.d /etc/env.d/java/ /etc/gconf
/etc/php/apache2-php5/ext-active/ /etc/php/cgi-php5/ext-active/
/etc/php/cli-php5/ext-active/ /etc/terminfo
CXXFLAGS=-march=athlon-xp -mtune=athlon-xp -O2 -pipe -mfpmath=sse
DISTDIR=/usr/portage/distfiles
FEATURES=distlocks metadata-transfer sandbox sfperms strict
GENTOO_MIRRORS=http://distfiles.gentoo.org
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/gentoo;
PKGDIR=/usr/portage/packages
PORTAGE_RSYNC_OPTS=--recursive --links --safe-links --perms --times
--compress --force --whole-file --delete --delete-after --stats
--timeout=180 --exclude=/distfiles --exclude=/local --exclude=/packages
--filter=H_**/files/digest-*
PORTAGE_TMPDIR=/var/tmp
PORTDIR=/usr/portage
SYNC=rsync://rsync.europe.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage
USE=3dnow X a52 aac acl acpi alsa apache2 arts berkdb bitmap-fonts
bluetooth bzip2 cdr clamav cli cracklib crypt ctype cups curl dbus dga
dri dts dvd dvdr encode exif firefox flac fortran ftp gd gdbm gif
gphoto2 gpm hal iconv ieee1394 ipv6 isdnlog java javascript jpeg jpeg2k
kde libg++ libnotify lm_sensors mad midi mmx mozilla mp3 mpeg mudflap
mysql ncurses nls nptl nptlonly ogg opengl openmp pam pcre pdf perl php
png pppd python qt4 quicktime readline reflection samba session slang
spl sse ssl tcpd tiff truetype-fonts type1-fonts unicode usb x.264 x86
xine xorg xvid zlib ALSA_CARDS=emu10k1 intel8x0
ALSA_PCM_PLUGINS=adpcm alaw asym copy dmix dshare dsnoop empty extplug
file hooks iec958 ioplug ladspa lfloat linear meter mulaw multi null
plug rate route share shm softvol ELIBC=glibc INPUT_DEVICES=keyboard
mouse evdev KERNEL=linux LCD_DEVICES=bayrad cfontz cfontz633 glk
hd44780 lb216 lcdm001 mtxorb ncurses text USERLAND=GNU
VIDEO_CARDS=nvidia
Unset:  CTARGET, EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS, INSTALL_MASK, LANG, LC_ALL,
LDFLAGS, LINGUAS, MAKEOPTS, PORTAGE_COMPRESS, PORTAGE_COMPRESS_FLAGS,
PORTAGE_RSYNC_EXTRA_OPTS, PORTDIR_OVERLAY




1:  -march=cpu-type
   Generate instructions for the machine type cpu-type.  The choices
for cpu-type are the same as for -mtune.
 Moreover, specifying -march=cpu-type implies -mtune=cpu-type. [ man gcc ]

 So -march=athlon-xp implies -mtune=athlon-xp

2:  try without -mfpmath=sse. In theory, -march=athlon-xp should
intelligently turn that on. ( Im guessing here that illegal
instruction means that the assembler tried to write something that
wasn't possible, possibly because of that flag )




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Re: [gentoo-user] Modelling software - free - preferably easy to install under Gentoo.

[Kent Fredric]

On 6/17/07, Steve [Gentoo] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have some (say 100) discrete data sequences sampling a single analogue
system with time-stamp data.

I would like to do some analysis on these signals to see if there are
any interesting things that can be demonstrated - for example, if I
could show a strong correlation in the signals between two times, but
none at other times, I might be able to conclude that there was
communication of some description, but only for a fixed duration.

At the moment I'm open minded about what kind of software I'd want to
employ - and also about what I'd like to prove.  Essentially, I'd like
to analyse the data for features - then ask if they correspond with
system events I'm already broadly aware about (rather than vice-versa.)

Can anyone point me in the right direction, please?



Not exactly sure what your asking for, but if the data can be
represented as an audio stream of some description you may want to
look at baudline, its a great tool,  but not in portage.

Basicaly an  FFT time/frequency analysis tool

http://www.baudline.com/

If its of no use to  you, It will probably still have the 'oh thats so
cool'  attributes :)
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Finer grained kde*-meta packages

[Kent Fredric]

On 6/16/07, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Friday 15 June 2007, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
about '[gentoo-user]  Re: Finer grained kde*-meta packages':
 Suppose you've got the following use case: Install all of
 KDE, but leave out PPP stuff.

 How would you solve that?

Intall all the kde*-meta packages except kde-meta (I want to customize my
kde install) and kdenetwork-meta (Specifically, I want to adjust network
[ppp] support).  Install any packages I need but don't have yet via the
split ebuilds.



I have an idea, but it would probably involve a change in portage
itself  instead of a mere ebuild useflag change.

That idea is basically optional dep if installable
ie:
kdenetwork-meta:
(opdep =kde-base/kppp)

which  by default would pull kppp if there was an unmasked copy in the
tree and to skip pulling it, you would just p-mask it

Reason of course being that I for one, a list of 30 useflags all
titled with no on the front of them would be a little daunting

( Im not saying it /should/ be done like this, but I just try cover
other areas / techniques that haven't been investigated yet in the off
chance somebody else will see a great idea offshoot from it )
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Re: [gentoo-user] Damaged file in portage cache

[Kent Fredric]

On 6/14/07, Philip Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

070614 Jean-Baptiste Mestelan wrote:
 I cannot emerge --sync , as this brings out the following error :
   Updating Portage cache:  Traceback (most recent call last):
-- snip --
   OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
   '/var/cache/edb/dep/usr/portage/net-misc/vmpsd-1.3-r\x12'
 it looks like the problem is with the content of the directory
  /var/cache/edb/dep/usr/portage/net-misc/
   localhost net-misc # cd /var/cache/edb/dep/usr/portage/net-misc/
   localhost net-misc # ls ./ (TAB PRESSED)
   asterisk-chan_capi-0.4.^P_pre1netprofiles)ims-0.1.0134
   stuNnel-4.15
   htbinit^I0.8.5netstat)nat-1.4.7
   suite3230-3.3.2_p1
   icaclient-9^N0-r1 networkianager-0.6.4_pre20061028
   tightvnc-1.^R.9-r4
   iputils)20060512  sipsak-0.9.^Q
   vmpsd-1.3-r^R
   linUx-identd-1.3-r1   stoje-2.2e
   vnc-4.1^N2-r1
   lksctp-Pools-1.0.4stone-2^N2c
   memcached-1^N1.13-r1  streamtuner-0.9^Y.99



emerge --info

then re-open this bug... oh wait..ML: ..

( just to make sure its not some eschoteric kernel / gcc combination
,.. I had a mate who had something really go south  on ext3 where he
could write to a  folder as if it were  a file  ... and needless to
say, it broke things bad, ... it broke things and made him lose stuff
)

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Re: [gentoo-user] M$ Excel document converter

[Kent Fredric]

On 6/13/07, Abraham Marín Pérez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Have you checked that document's Excel format? Maybe KSpread can't read
it because of a too new Excel format, try re-saving it in an older one.


If anybody finds something that will read the new OpenXML document
that the new $MS's is churning out it would be helpful, theres a tool
on sourceforge to convert to openoffice format... but its a windows
only app...so whats the point! :[

OO doesn't do it either last i checked.

I find it ironic that microsoft release their first 'non-proprietary'
format and its suddenly the only thing around that can process that
non-proprietary data. At least with their old proprietary formats we
could _read_ that

Now its a zip file with a whole lot of bogus rubbish that makes less
sense than a 90's+ swingers club.

( and yes, equally horrifying/disturbing ;) )

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Re: [gentoo-user] Duplicate mails?

[Kent Fredric]

On 6/14/07, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi all,

Is it just me, or is the list sending out duplicate mails?

For example, I have received two of every post today on the M$ Excel
document converter thread

alan



-0.5 here  ( so when you add my dupes together you'll get a -1 ;)  )

Is this a recent thing, or has it been happening for a while, ...
subscribed twice by chance?



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Re: [gentoo-user] Linux Installers for Blizzard Products

[Kent Fredric]

On 6/14/07, Daniel Iliev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi, guys

I hope some of you won't find this message too much spam-alike. Today I
accidentally found there is a petition on-line [1]. It represents a
request to Blizzard to include Linux installers in their products. I
thought the gamers from the list might be interested in signing that
petition. Even I'm not a gamer (anymore) I signed it, because I hate
it when big companies ignore the Linux community.


[1] http://www.petitiononline.com/ibpfl/



+Voted

I argued I don't game any more _because_ of the lack of linux games
that were not already bored with. HIstorically, game  dev's argument
has been along the lines of 'if they want to game,  they'll just use
windows, or get a console'.

What they don't realize, is its possible many of us have simply lost
interest in the gaming community simply because 'just use windows'
isn't really viable for most of us :P

And emulation sucks ass, good ol starcraft is only /just/ playable in
all the emulators i've tried :(   (Wine-family)


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Re: [gentoo-user] why multiple versions of java-config, automake, and autoconf?

[Kent Fredric]

On 6/13/07, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Okay, this isn't really about slots vs. no slots, but shows that
slots are not necessary.


cu


Well, IMO everything should be slotted 100% every version able to be
installed in parallel, and packages depend on version, and versions
with no depends are obviously not needed and cleaned out ,,, but we'll
have to agree to dissagree ;)


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Re: [gentoo-user] Again: Critical bugs considered invalid

[Kent Fredric]

On 6/13/07, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

* b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let's take an different part of life, not computers, take policits.
I'm an elected representative. I have to decide lots of things here.
Normally somebody brings some proposable we should vote on. Usually
we talk about it before the vote (yeah, many people try to get their
issues stamped w/o discussions before complaints could be raised ;-O)
If I didn't fully understand the issue, I simply ask before voting.
Issues don't get kicked off the agenda (aka marked INVALID) because
the chairmain does not understand the whole thing. We rarely have
cases where we actually don't want to vote on specific things due
missing information or waiting for certain events. So we (by a vote)
take it from the agenda for a while and take it back ofter some time
(aka status NEEDINFO or LATER).

We don't have something like bgz for that. Just pen+paper. But it
works quite good.


Politics analogy breaks apart here on one point. In politics, you
don't have several thousand proposals a day. If Politics did have that
many proposals, and just any man  his dog could make a proposal, all
the ones with NEEDINFO would grow faster than the heap of dung @ a
sewage treatment station, and the percentage processed would get
progressively a smaller percentile, and governments with all their
bureaucratic red tape would get less done than they already do.

Im guessing if they had as many proposal as BGO does,  they would ,
like BGO, employ staff to filter the rubbish out. ( Cos you see,
BugWranglers are not your head heirachy, they're just the entry level
cleaner/rep who relays the information ), and that way, 10 year olds
who want something for Christmas won't put his request onto the daily
agenda and waste time. That way duplicate propositions are found and
associated as such. That way proposals which dont even have enough
info to get to council cos they cant hold their own water, or are
obviously bogus ( ie: i propose we nuke ourselves ) or proposals which
obviously don't affect a large enough part of the population ,  don't
inundate the council and waste  their time with unimportant issues,
due to them not having a lot of free time.

All you can do is be insistent and give more info, and keep
un-invalidating them, and they'll eventually listen, or find another
dev ( politician/rep/senator ) who will add weight to your claim and
delegate it  to the right place.

Outside that,   you can be a vigilante, and take the law into your own hands.

Thats all there is to it :)


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Re: [gentoo-user] Again: Critical bugs considered invalid

[Kent Fredric]

On 6/11/07, Iain Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Sat, 2007-06-09 at 21:13 +1200, Kent Fredric wrote:

  Genoo  Everything.

given Everything = Gentoo + Debian + RedHat + ...,
let EverythingElse = Everything - Gentoo;

then
 Gentoo  Everything
  =~ Gentoo  Gentoo + EverythingElse
  =~ Gentoo - Gentoo  Gentoo + EveryThingElse - Gentoo
  =~ 0  EverythingElse
  =~ EverythingElse  0

I agree!


If that concept is a first, I suggest it go into fortune-mod-gentoo-forums.

That is certainly quote worthy imo :D
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Re: [gentoo-user] why multiple versions of java-config, automake, and autoconf?

[Kent Fredric]

On 6/9/07, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

* Kent Fredric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ah, but you see, in half the cases there is not a /complete/
 incompatibility.  PHP4-5 migration is not an entirely big switch,
 the biggest problem IIRC in the 4-5 change is the way it handles
 classes, and a lot of code 'simply works' on both.

I had to do a lot at that front. Believe me, they're NOT compatible.
Just nearly compatible. So different.
For those packages where it really doesnt matter, we simply could
use an virtual.

Sama for java.



So, your suggesting the following would have been a better option in this case

dev-lang/php4/php4-4.4.3.ebuild
dev-lang/php4/php4-4.4.4.ebuild
dev-lang/php5/php5-5.1.1.ebuild
dev-lang/php5/php5-5.2.0.ebuild

virtual/php/php-5.ebuild - dev-lang/php5/php5-5.2.0.ebuild
virtual/php/php-4.ebuild - dev-lang/php4/php4-4.4.4.ebuild

...  and ...  to have  .. slotted virtuals like jdk does =P (this does
give the added benefit that if somebody else were to create a PHP
engine they could just jump into the virtual, or if one day php5 were
to be  /fully/ backwards compatible with php4 its  version could be
dumped into the php4 virtual and allow people to upgrade .. )
So either way you look at it, its just a case of /where/ the slotting
occurs, not whether or not it occurs.



snip

 In the case of autoconf, im personally glad it all hides under one
 non-linear space-time-continumum on my harddrive ;) . The thought of
 them all being in seperate ebuild names would drive me nutty ( folder
 with 10 different package names for the same thing = wtf? )

What folders are you tallking about ?


sys-devel/automake/automake-1.10.ebuild
sys-devel/automake/automake-1.4_p6.ebuild
sys-devel/automake/automake-1.5.ebuild
sys-devel/automake/automake-1.6.3.ebuild
sys-devel/automake/automake-1.7.9-r1.ebuild
sys-devel/automake/automake-1.8.5-r3.ebuild
sys-devel/automake/automake-1.9.6-r2.ebuild

as theres 1 slot here /per/ ebuild, it would cause a bit of namespace
pollution were you to upslot them, ie:

instead of just one nice sys-devel/automake , you would need to have

sys-devel/automake-1.10/automake-1.10-1.10.ebuild
sys-devel/automake-1.4/automake-1.4-1.4_p6.ebuild
sys-devel/automake-1.5/automake-1.5-1.5.ebuild
sys-devel/automake-1.6/automake-1.6-1.6.3.ebuild
sys-devel/automake-1.7/automake-1.7-1.7.9-r1.ebuild
sys-devel/automake-1.8/automake-1.8-1.8.5-r3.ebuild
sys-devel/automake-1.9/automake-1.9-1.9.6-r2.ebuild

Which IMO would produce horror stories you could tell to your children,
especially if many other packages currently utilizing slotting were to
go that way.





snip

 The argument of 'cleaning' was a problem for a little while, but im
 glad the kernel uses slotting, for the reason I dont want to have a
 seperate ebuild for different kernels, i dont want old kernel sources
 to be taken away when the new one turns up, and when i want to get rid
 of old kernels, i want to be able to do a nice and simple emerge -C
 =some-version  to get rid  of them when im done with them.

Okay, that's good point where slots are really useful.
But I'm sure there could be other good solutions.

 The same occurs in many of the web-applications, where multiple versions
 are handy, but multiple ebuild names would cause headaches.

hmm, they're an special things, since we can have many instances
of the same application here. but I never had the need to have
multiple versions of one webapp (source) installed.


The reason for this, I believe, is that webapps regularly need to be
hand-adjusted to suit the users needs, and needs hand tuning for each
upgrade. Often this automated upgrade can break stuff ( can, but if
you've not changed from default, it usually runs fine ), so I guess
the reason is similar to the kernels, less stuff breaking i guess. (
Although ATM, its unobvious how to switch  between webapp slots :S  )


 the only way to get around all these nasties would be to have a 3 part
 package name imo, such as
 dev-libs/gtk/2/2.0.1.ebuild
 dev-libs/gtk/1/1.0.1.ebuild
 for instance , and when you look at it like that, it is in essence
 identical to 'slots', except a 'slot' is governed by a string in the
 actual file, instead of  a string in the filename.

Well, if the slot number would be an part of the package atom name,
it would be half as bad.



I definately aggree, which would help many apps out in following
problem slotting currently has : It is not possible to DEPEND upon a
package in a specific slot. [1]

For some things, such as things which require automake,  friends, it
would permit them to use some sort of syntax such as

%=sys-devel/automake-1.9
%=sys-devel/automake-1.9
%=sys-devel/automake-1.9


Why that syntax ?

Well , we have a dilemour, if we were to change the way package atoms
were named, it  would break /craploads/ of the stuff already available
expecting the 'old way'

how do we make this easy to use?

Heres my proposition, and thats slot-files.
Like virtuals, but on a per-package

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Again: Critical bugs considered invalid

[Kent Fredric]

On 6/9/07, Zachary Grafton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Friday 08 June 2007 19:29, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
 On Samstag, 9. Juni 2007, »Q« wrote:
  In news:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
 
  Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On Freitag, 8. Juni 2007, Alexander Skwar wrote:
b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Really. If you think there's a problem, explain it. You get
 attacked? Insist. Prove them they are wrong.
   
Just curious: Did you ever try this with Jakub?
  
   I did.
  
   And after some arguments a different dev came in and recognized the
   bug as a real bug...
 
  I've seen that happen a few times.  IME, jakub is usually right, but
  whether he's right or wrong he's very stubborn.  It's possible to
  wrangle the bug yourself, asking another dev to have a look at it,
  instead of arguing with Jakub until somebody notices.

 Jakub is like a spam filter who filters out 100% of the spam. Sadly, he
 filters a fair amount of ham too - and if your ham got filtered the option
 to get it recognized as ham are hard to find and not easy to use ;)

 His user interface could be improved

Maybe someone should submit a bug report


http://www.xkcd.com/c258.html

I tried .   Critical bug, but was considered  'invalid' by the prayer-wranglers.



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Re: [gentoo-user] Again: Critical bugs considered invalid

[Kent Fredric]

On 6/9/07, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Kent Fredric ha scritto:
 On 6/8/07, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ( probably releated to it being a
 generally harder distro to use that *cough* ewwbuntu *cough*
 unlinspired *cough*  or *cough* deadrat *cough* )

OT: Ubuntu distros (Kubuntu, expecially) are really, really shiny and
slick pieces of software. I just installed Kubuntu 7.04 at work and it's
 the more polished, ready-to-go, easy to use Linux distro I've ever
seen. I use Gentoo on my home desktop for various reasons and because I
have different needs, but the Linux community has only to learn from the
Ubuntus.


OT: My detest for the aformentioned brands are experience driven
except for the linspire. Genoo  Everything.

I can say this because I started on debian pretty much, and being a
control freak, I like everything the way I like it, not the way
somebody else says I should like it. Gentoo is more free ( in the 'do
what you want' )  sense than any other distro I know of.  Periodic
releases which force users to re-install  effectively to upgrade =
bollux.  I know with ewbuntu family you dont really /have/ to, but
most do anyway, and theres always this _hype_ with every 'release'
that comes out which i just don't get. My software is newer, and the
only 'release' I ever see is a new profile.

I jumped ship because I was in debian, and compiling a lot of things
by hand because they wern't available in unstable/experimental yet,
and the software was _STILL_ stale, and figgured going to a
source-based distro was the logical step.

Ease of use  userfriendlyness are /not/ things i look for in an OS.
Unless they're tools and things ill actually use,  I care not. Beryl ,
Compiz  XGL i'll never be caught dead using, ive experimented with
them just to see what the fuss is about , and then i turn them off and
stay that way.



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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Again: Critical bugs considered invalid

[Kent Fredric]

On 6/9/07, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Kent Fredric wrote:
 On 6/9/07, Zachary Grafton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Friday 08 June 2007 19:29, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:

 Maybe someone should submit a bug report

 http://www.xkcd.com/c258.html

 I tried .   Critical bug, but was considered  'invalid' by the
 prayer-wranglers.




Let me guess, Jakub closed it?  LOL

Can I also assume he decided to stay?  I read he was leaving a while back.

Dale

:-)  :-)  :-)



Lemme be perfectly clear here. Jakub does a very good job of what he
does, and gentoo IMO does suffer a bit when hes not here.  Bugs need
wrangling, or the right devs dont get even told they're there, and
Jakub does a legendary job of redirecting them to the right place.
Its like having an email server with only one ingoing email address
and having to get a human to redirect all the mails by hand to the
right inboxes.

He is like gentoo. Not perfect, but better than all the other choices :)
Gentoo does tend to get a little pissy sometimes, but what can you expect  =)

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Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Firefox's Connecting

[Kent Fredric]

On 6/10/07, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Can anyone tell me what Firefox is doing when it says it is
   Connecting to a particular website?  My site is periodically hanging
   at that point, and I'd like to track down the problem.  Is it just
   waiting for apache2's first response to the HTTP request?
 
  No, Firefox is propably waiting for the TCP connection to be
  established. Use something like wireshark or tcpdump to find out for sure.

 I was trying to login (via ssh) to a virtual server and it was taking ages (19
 secs or so).  Apparently there was something wrong with the way the sysadmin
 had set up DNS.  Once fixed I would be asked for a passwd with 1-2 seconds.
 It could be that something like this is wrong with your server?

I'll check that out.  Thanks guys.



Try it with 'curl'
ie:
curl -v www.google.com

If it doesnt find an IP, its a DNS problem, if it finds an IP but
doesn't connect, it may be a routing problem, if it works for all
sites, but not a particular site, that site might be broken, and
'curl' might be able to help you see where.

:)



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Re: [gentoo-user] OT - Question about glsa-check

[Kent Fredric]

On 6/10/07, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The last several times I've run glsa-check, it's
recommended that I emerge a package that portage
claims is already installed on my system:

camille ~ # glsa-check -t all
This system is affected by the following GLSAs:
200705-03
camille ~ # glsa-check -p 200705-03
Checking GLSA 200705-03
 www-servers/tomcat-5.5.23-r1 (5.0.27-r6)

camille ~ # emerge -pv www-servers/tomcat

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild   R   ] www-servers/tomcat-5.5.23-r1  USE=doc
examples -admin -java5 -source -test 0 kB

Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0
kB



Its possible ( somehow )  you have dupe/stale tomcats lying around.
You tried
 emerge -C www-servers/tomcat-5.5.22
just to ensure this?, cos it looks like glsa-check sees 5.0.27 somewhere ^^;

strace -e trace=file glsa-check -p 200705-03 21 | grep -v
\(python\|pym\|pkg\|.py\|.pyc\|.so\|portage\|bin\)

doesn't seem to list any files 'out of the ordinary' which get queried
for existance by that gtsa-check, so I /assume/ its all just portage
DB.


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Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Firefox's Connecting

[Kent Fredric]

On 6/10/07, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Can anyone tell me what Firefox is doing when it says it is
 Connecting to a particular website?  My site is periodically hanging
 at that point, and I'd like to track down the problem.  Is it just
 waiting for apache2's first response to the HTTP request?
   
No, Firefox is propably waiting for the TCP connection to be
established. Use something like wireshark or tcpdump to find out for 
sure.
  
   I was trying to login (via ssh) to a virtual server and it was taking 
ages (19
   secs or so).  Apparently there was something wrong with the way the 
sysadmin
   had set up DNS.  Once fixed I would be asked for a passwd with 1-2 
seconds.
   It could be that something like this is wrong with your server?
 
  I'll check that out.  Thanks guys.
 

 Try it with 'curl'
 ie:
 curl -v www.google.com

 If it doesnt find an IP, its a DNS problem, if it finds an IP but
 doesn't connect, it may be a routing problem, if it works for all
 sites, but not a particular site, that site might be broken, and
 'curl' might be able to help you see where.

Thanks Kent.  When I'm browsing my site and it hangs, I ping the
domain and the times are normal even though I'm having trouble
connecting at the exact same time.  The pings are really slow in
coming back, but the reported times are normal.  Does that sound like
a problem with apache2 then?



Sounds like a routing problem of sorts to me, apache  ( afaik ) has no
impact on /ping/ times. My favourite tool for finding traffic problems
is mtr , see packet loss and route and where packet loss is occuring
all at once :)   Sometimes it will report 100% packet loss on a middle
step if that server ignores pings tho, .. .so...

does curl respond properly? , or does it just sit there waiting for  response?



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Re: [gentoo-user] OT - Question about glsa-check

[Kent Fredric]

On 6/10/07, Alex Schuster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Kent Fredric writes:

 On 6/10/07, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The last several times I've run glsa-check, it's
  recommended that I emerge a package that portage
  claims is already installed on my system:
[...]

 Its possible ( somehow )  you have dupe/stale tomcats lying around.

I guess that, too, I had the same problem. Have a look at the output
of eix -I www-servers/tomcat to check that (I assumne everyone here has
eix installed these days, right?).

I did not knw about glsa-check until recently, and was surprised it showed
a pile of packages to update. Some were no longer dependencies of things
I have in world, so my world updates did not update them. And some were
installed multiple times, I had to unmerge the older ones, as you suggest
here:

 You tried
   emerge -C www-servers/tomcat-5.5.22
 just to ensure this?, cos it looks like glsa-check sees 5.0.27
 somewhere ^^;

Any idea how this can happen? Aborted emerges or what? But shouldn't
emerge clean, or auto-clean which happens then emerge -u world has
nothing to update, do this? How can one find those?


eix -i --format (green,1)category(blue,1)/(yellow,1)name() |
installedversionsshort

should help you narrow your search down if your looking for dup installs.

/how/ the dup installs occur is unknown to me, but it would seem the
most logical answer would be something to do with slotting.  -- or
disabling autoclean with FEATURES.

emerge -p --depclean

should also help you out a bit ( i guess ... i wouldn't know, the last
time i had a system that was -uvaDN world friendly was a /long/ time
ago  )

and if you were wondering, sometimes emerge -uvaDN world /will/ miss
some upgrades if nothing depends on them and they're not in world (
orphans )
if emerge -uvaDN world shows nothing, run eix -cu and see all the
other things on your system which could be removed/upgraded

I reccomend adding some to world with emerge --noreplace  atom
;)




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Re: [gentoo-user] Again: Critical bugs considered invalid

[Kent Fredric]

On 6/8/07, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Well, I tell you a secret: even with all its quirks and defects, Gentoo
has one of the more friendly and helpful communities in the OSS world.
Try have a look at the Debian, OpenBSD or Slackware forums/ml/IRC
channels, and you'll understand.


I concur, not only does gentoo have one of the nicer communities, it
also has more informed people. ( probably releated to it being a
generally harder distro to use that *cough* ewwbuntu *cough*
unlinspired *cough*  or *cough* deadrat *cough* )

Many a time you'll find in non gentoo help rooms that everyones just
as lost as you are when you have a /real/ problem, and when you have a
/real/ problem you'll end up fixing it yourself after helping 50 other
people fix theirs.

Many a time Has it been I've googled for an answer to a problem and
the answer has been found amongst gentoos troves of data, in either
wiki, or forum, despite the fact that the problem i encoutered may
have occured on a non-gentoo box, and i did not enter 'gentoo'
anywhere in the search string.


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Re: [gentoo-user] why multiple versions of java-config, automake, and autoconf?

[Kent Fredric]

On 6/9/07, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


What flexibility do I take away exactly ?
And what exactly gets harder ?



Automated building of dependant packages

Gentoo has a collection of magic script that do make this nice for us.

ie ( last I looked anyway ) java-config and autoconf were not binarys,
but scripts which pointed to the correct binary given the right
environment variables.

This makes the building of other packages that were invented upstream
without predicting changes in autoconf easier to maintain, instead of
having to send out a new patch every time upstream releases a
non-compatible-with-new-autoconfs version /just/ to make it work, we
just set WANT_AUTOCONF=1.4 in the environment and the appropriate
autoconf gets run, which seeems a fairly reasonable thing to do. (
otherwise the concept we have today known as a version bump would be a
whole deal harder more often)

I remeber the days of Java1.4 - Java1.5 migration headaches before
they slotted it and created java-confing system to get around it,  boy
did it take its sweet ass time getting there ( cos there were at least
100 apps which needed 1.4 instead of 1.5, and if you compiled one of
those with 1.5 instead of 1.4, which the ebuild never expected to have
happen, due to being authored before 1.5's release , ... the entire
heirachy would break, and you'd give up and simply remove _ALL_ of
java just to keep sane, but thats not gentoos fault exactly, blame a
multitude of upstream javaheads for that )

As for gtk2-0.1 vs gtk-2.0.1, the latter is clearly a more logical
version number.
gtk2.0.1 is invalid (no - to separate version from subversion ), and
on top of that
if it was called gtk2 instead of gtk-2, it would need a separate
folder, and a completely different set of configs,

it was bad enough when php4  php5 were different applications. Im so
glad they slotted that. Its just annoying still that due to the
massive magnitude of apps for php4/5 that they have to have a separate
_TOP_LEVEL_ dir for them all.



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Re: [gentoo-user] why multiple versions of java-config, automake, and autoconf?

[Kent Fredric]

On 6/9/07, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

* Kent Fredric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 6/9/07, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 What flexibility do I take away exactly ?
 And what exactly gets harder ?
 

 Automated building of dependant packages

More precisely ?
AFAICS it would be much easier w/o slots.

I already mentioned Briegel. Here I'm strictly doing as described.
This works great. The only reason for using Gentoo is that it has
much, much more manpower than me alone. For most common systems
Gentoo is quite good, for embedded targets (where I've got relatively
few packages) I'm using Briegel.

 Gentoo has a collection of magic script that do make this nice for us.

Which ones for example ? / What exactly do they do ?
Would that magic be necessary with my approach ?

 ie ( last I looked anyway ) java-config and autoconf were not binarys,
 but scripts which pointed to the correct binary given the right
 environment variables.

 This makes the building of other packages that were invented upstream
 without predicting changes in autoconf easier to maintain, instead of
 having to send out a new patch every time upstream releases a
 non-compatible-with-new-autoconfs version /just/ to make it work, we
 just set WANT_AUTOCONF=1.4 in the environment and the appropriate
 autoconf gets run, which seeems a fairly reasonable thing to do. (
 otherwise the concept we have today known as a version bump would be a
 whole deal harder more often)

Yeah. Wrapper scripts. I also have such things @ Briegel.
Please explain why this is an reasonable argument in the question
whether or whether not to do slotting ?

 I remeber the days of Java1.4 - Java1.5 migration headaches before
 they slotted it and created java-confing system to get around it,

Would it make a difference if sun-java-1.5 would have got it's own
package name (distinct from -1.4) ?

AFAIK -1.4 and -1.5 are really incompatible, almost as much as
gtk-1.x vs. gtk-2.x. So why not treating them as different packages ?

 As for gtk2-0.1 vs gtk-2.0.1, the latter is clearly a more logical
 version number.

Why not gtk2-2.0.1 ?

 if it was called gtk2 instead of gtk-2, it would need a separate
 folder, and a completely different set of configs,

Yes, of course - it's an different package.

 it was bad enough when php4  php5 were different applications.

Why ?
php4 and php5 are very incompatible, almost as much as it had been
with php3. This already had been clear when php5 was at alpha.
I never ever expected them to be the same package.

Of course evrything would be much clearer if there was an big
consensous on naming the scripts with *.php4 and *.php3 as it
had been done in history w/ php3. But this really has nothing to
do with slotting vs. separate packages.




Ah, but you see, in half the cases there is not a /complete/
incompatibility.  PHP4-5 migration is not an entirely big switch,
the biggest problem IIRC in the 4-5 change is the way it handles
classes, and a lot of code 'simply works' on both.
I currently develop in 5 and then serve on 4, and even that has
minimal errors in translation, so its not all /that/ bad. Same with
java 1.4- 1.5, in most cases, the code the 'user' would be running
needs minimal fixes, its just the bigger packages that cause the
problems.  ( I cant say if i know this is  the case with GTK tho ..
never been much of my feild of expertiese )

So we have a scenario where we have a mingling of styles for diferent
user targets,
we have slotting to keep the builds happy with unique versions, but we
still have a migration path for users.

Maybe to you that seems illogical, but to me, its handy and convenient.

In the case of autoconf, im personally glad it all hides under one
non-linear space-time-continumum on my harddrive ;) . The thought of
them all being in seperate ebuild names would drive me nutty ( folder
with 10 different package names for the same thing = wtf? )

The argument of 'cleaning' was a problem for a little while, but im
glad the kernel uses slotting, for the reason I dont want to have a
seperate ebuild for different kernels, i dont want old kernel sources
to be taken away when the new one turns up, and when i want to get rid
of old kernels, i want to be able to do a nice and simple emerge -C
=some-version  to get rid  of them when im done with them. The same
occurs in many of the web-applications, where multiple versions are
handy, but multiple ebuild names would cause headaches.

the only way to get around all these nasties would be to have a 3 part
package name imo, such as
dev-libs/gtk/2/2.0.1.ebuild
dev-libs/gtk/1/1.0.1.ebuild
for instance , and when you look at it like that, it is in essence
identical to 'slots', except a 'slot' is governed by a string in the
actual file, instead of  a string in the filename.

Maybe slots are over abused in some cases, but there are IMO many uses
for them which I'm thankful for, and in some cases where I wish
packages had slotting on them. Mysql for instance

Re: [gentoo-user] why multiple versions of java-config, automake, and autoconf?

[Kent Fredric]

On 6/9/07, Kent Fredric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 6/9/07, Kent Fredric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In the case of autoconf, im personally glad it all hides under one
 non-linear space-time-continumum on my harddrive ;) . The thought of
 them all being in seperate ebuild names would drive me nutty ( folder
 with 10 different package names for the same thing = wtf? )


Just replying to myself here.

] sys-devel/automake
 Available versions:
(1.4)   1.4_p6
(1.5)   1.5
(1.6)   1.6.3
(1.7)   1.7.9-r1
(1.8)   1.8.5-r3
(1.9)   1.9.6-r2
(1.10)  1.10

screw making a seperate package for each of those.
Screw being the poor bastard who parsed the package names from the
ebuild titles to make it work :S



Oh yeah, bags not doing linux-gazette or app-doc/phrack
Some of us have lives to get on with :P



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Re: [gentoo-user] Again: Critical bugs considered invalid

[Kent Fredric]

  Bug reports need to be thorough.  If they do not provide enough
  information to reproduce a bug, or at least explain exactly what is
  going on, then it is hard for the developers and bug
 squashers to do
  anything about it.

 Sometimes, as the reported, you miss some important things. Okay.
 Then the wrangler (or whom else works onthr bug) simply
 should ask for more information.

 But if your bugs are always marked as invalid, you loose any
 motiviation for further contributions. Bug reports are also
 contribution.


Imo, provide as much information as possible, describe all paths of
logic, dont assume bugwranglers are psychic. Verbosity can be your
friend.
If its marked invalid, then either they've given a damn good reason,
or you've not given them a better one not to mark it invalid. In
either case, if its invalid, keep posting as much information as
possible on the subject, not just the what, but the why.
I'm still at a loss why theres any need for symlinks to the coda FS
when you could just tell firefox to build a profile /directly/ on that
coda-fs.
Im not saying there is no valid reason, just there has yet to be a
good explanation as to why.
If you can't on your own convince a dev to change a bugs status, find
other people with  similar problems to increase the validity of your
claim. Bugs can be like a court room. No witnesses  no good evidence,
a poor testimony, and you end up in jail. So you get all the evidence
you can, get your witnesses, make a nice logical argument, and with
any luck, the wrangler might reinstate its free status ( cos being
invalid dosn't mean that the CC list will suddenly stop working afaik
)


I can't really argue that one.  I would also admit that I personally
tend to be a lot more patient in weedling information out of an
end user.  Comes from tech support training.  Do remember though that
a lot of techies are not people persons (I know that is not a great
excuse, or even good grammar).  The founders of the open source movement
were notorious jerks. :P  It is a matter of recorded fact.  They
Focused more on the software and let their friends handle the people.


I sympathize with them. The reason devs often tend to be jerks, is
because people of lesser understanding often be as big a jerk when
they envisage a problem which is really a case of problem exists
between keyboard and chair or a case of its not our fault, its
somebody elses, and sadly for devs, there are an awful lot of people
who know very little yet profess to know very much. ( Evidence? in
high school i had one teacher tell me off for doing on a computer
something another teacher had told me to  do, because the one of
lesser understanding didn't obviously have a clue what i was doing,
and thus made drastic assumptions that i was 'writing viruses and
hacking'   and that was before I ever did any /real/ programming
work :/ ... work in a company where you have customers, you'll
probably find complications with 'customer doesn't understand, and
thus we have to start again to fix a non-problem' )



  if the idea of creating a new profile would not work for you,
  then recreating your firefox directory, with physical copies
  of the symlinked files would do the trick as well.

 Not really. The symlinks are no problem for FF, it works perfectly
 well. And I *need* them to store temporary stuff locally.
 It's mozilla-launcher which artificially breaks if it
 *thinks* something could be wrong.


Personally, I don't realy know WHAT mozilla-launcher is I think.  :P
I have always just created shortcuts to firefox directly, and let it
handle everything itself.

  Imagine if you just sunk three years into a project, and suddenly
  someone started attacking you because it didn't work perfectly on
  their system.

 Well, I'm working on lots of OSS projects for many many
 years. But I never ever felt being attacked by an bug report.

It is not the bug report that is the attack. It is the angry
declarations
of incompetense.  The insistance that because you do not agree, that
something
must be wrong with the developers.  The fact that in just a handful of
hours
working with a complicated issue, you declared the community at large to
be hostile and ignorant.


Community is developer oriented, and thus, nasties and arrogance will abound =).
Just look in -dev for your daily dose of flame war/soap opera. ( if
your going to have a 100+ message  flamewar that started from somebody
complaining and missunderstanding an 'inside' joke, it looks kinda
evident that some devs love arguing for the sake of it... so with that
in mind, play safe, be nice :) )



That is just what I have seen from this situation.  It is not the fact
that
you submit bugs, it is the way in which you do it.


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In favour of what Enrico did, although for all the world it seems like
he fought a bit and went against advice, he found a problem, and
provided the means for a solution, and placed it in bugzilla. Despite
it 

Re: [gentoo-user] XFS problems

[Kent Fredric]

On 5/31/07, Jules Colding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 08:24 -0400, Randy Barlow wrote:
 Jules Colding wrote:
  May 30 10:29:40 omc-2 [10822.156355] sd 0:4:1:0: SCSI error: return
code = 0x00040001
  May 30 10:29:40 omc-2 [10822.156423] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb,
sector 97564151
  May 30 10:29:46 omc-2 [10827.996196] I/O error in filesystem (sdb1)
meta-data dev sdb1 block 0x88b5ac3   (xlog_iodone) error 5 buf count
11776
  May 30 10:29:46 omc-2 [10827.996210] xfs_force_shutdown(sdb1,0x2)
called from line 960 of file fs/xfs/xfs_log.c.  Return address =
0x80398b06
  May 30 10:29:46 omc-2 [10827.996299] Filesystem sdb1: Log I/O Error
Detected.  Shutting down filesystem: sdb1
  May 30 10:29:46 omc-2 [10827.996305] Please umount the filesystem, and
rectify the problem(s)
  May 30 10:29:46 omc-2 [10827.996983] sd 0:4:1:0: SCSI error: return
code = 0x00040001
  May 30 10:29:46 omc-2 [10827.996986] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb,
sector 63

 Those to me look like you are having hardware issues...

My guess too, but I'm confused by the fact that these problems continue
even though I've put the only disk reported to have errors offline. Can
an offline disk provoke errors in the remaining array?

Thanks,
  jules


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I've had those problems, and they're a real PITA. In my case i had to
re-arrange my cables 15 umpteen hundred times before they would position so
I didn't get any loss of contact, and turn of athcool . ( yes, athcool, if
you have it, could be your problem, i didn't believe it at first myself )

A drive doesn't have to be even mounted for those errors to show up, but it
sure helps. My recommendation is if you have a disk which is frequently
dropping out on you like that, you switch to JFS, XFS really doesn't play
nice if it thinks the drive is plugged in twice ., and JFS has
impressive recovery ability.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo and KISS ?

[Kent Fredric]

/etc/genkernel.conf

MENUCONFIG=no
MRPROPER=no
CLEAN=no
BOOTSPLASH=no
SAVE_CONFIG=yes
DEBUGLEVEL=5
BOOTLOADER=grub
USECOLOR=yes


cd /usr/src/linux
zcat /proc/config.gz  .config
make oldconfig
genkernel --kernname=WhateverFitsMyMood all


the above gives you you the power to configure your kernel to suit
your needs, -and- makes genkernel useful as a time-saving 'ok, just
build it ' tool :)

Of course it did help when that bug in genkernel mid2005 was fixed ;),
a trunicated grub.conf is no fun.

On 5/19/07, Roy Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman wrote:
 arnuld wrote:
  1.) i had a Serial-ATA drive and AMD64 on ASUS with VIA chipsets.
  kernel-compilation part of Handbook asks to choose PPP options and MCE
 [...]
  other motherboards, Intel e.g., but we can leave that to the user for
  finding the specific SATA and PATA drivers inthe kernel.)

 Well, if you are brave enough to configure your own kernel... don't
 complain!

 genkernel works fine, most of the times.


genkernel is for wimps...  Way to go arnuld!

Seriously, genkernel is fine for liveCD and the first month for a NOOB.
But to really learn/exploit/enjoy/appreciate Gentoo, you gotta have it
your way...  If not, then you might as well be running ubuntu...  :-)

Have fun,
Roy

Gentoo x86, ~x86, PS3
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo and KISS ?

[Kent Fredric]

sorry,  top posted :S... damn gmail  forgetting.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo gets as bad SuSE: Circular dependencies [WAS: Thank you Gentoo devs]

[Kent Fredric]

Quite Erroneous Debate?

  Jakub is no longer a bug-wrangler, or a dev, he retired last month.

 Ah, good things still happen ? ;P

Jakub was very good at his job, but he does have an attitude problem.

Are you trying to emulate him, you are already halfway there?



Give the guy a break :P. When your having to deal with lots of noobs
being retarded telling you you're wrong on a daily basis when you know
otherwise, I guess most people get frustrated at it :P.

So lets not be bashing him, especially when hes not around to fend for
himself eh?

Imo, the cyclic dep problem could be solved as thus,

A depends B
   B depends  C||A

Where C is a minimalist subset of A required for building B, which is
only depended on if A is not present.
A is also a replacement for C.

So the flow would go like such.

Emerge A:
 * depends on b
* A is missing, so depend on C
*emerges C*
*emerges B*
*removes C*  -- otherwise  A  C containing the same files = headache
*emerges A*

Yes, indeed I agree that we could just do this by hand by changing a
USE flag, but we should at least be open to the idea of looking for a
way to automatically resolve the problem. Computers exist to make our
life easier, not the other way around :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Beagle eating up Resources!! (BEagled-index-helper)

[Kent Fredric]

no clue what exactly is happening and now, I'm frequently getting pissed
at it and kill it.
This is version 0.2.16 in portage BTW


How often do people here actually -use- beagle?

I removed it after finding I never really used it, and that the
default short cut for it and the memory usage it required to do little
more than a 'find -print0 blah | xargs -0 -iARG grep string ARG '
quite frankly disgusting.



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Re: [gentoo-user] Changed behaviour of emerge --tree???

[Kent Fredric]

On 2/18/07, Erik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I am quite sure that emerge --uupdate --deep --newuse --tree world
previously just showed what it would do (in reverse order). It implied
--pretend. But now suddenly it starts to actually build stuff. Is
something broken or has emerge been changed intentionally?
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I think --tree used to imply --ask,  but upon testing it seems not to.
I always use the -uvatDN or --update --verbose --ask --tree --deep
--newuse string anyway ^_^. verbose shows you the useflags :)

With Verbose:

[ebuild   R   ] app-portage/eix-0.8.6  USE=sqlite 0 kB

Without Verbose:

[ebuild   R   ] app-portage/eix-0.8.6



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Re: [gentoo-user] Help - system reboots while compiling

[Kent Fredric]

On 2/11/07, Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi list,

I am having trouble when compiling things on Gentoo. When I start a compile,
it goes partway through and then reboots the machine (I can't confirm it's
due to a compile but it seems likely since I have been compiling things each
of the times this has happened.

One thing that might be causing the problem (?) is that last time I compiled
the kernel I stupidly left out ACPI support.

Any ideas?

TIA,

Jeff
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I would go with Hammann with
Make sure, that it is overheating and not a weak/dying PSU.

Many people neglect to realise how important a decent PSU is, and how
major an effect it can have on systems. A dodgy PSU in my experience
can do everything from -CAUSING- overheating, to random shutoffs, and
MURDERING hard drives.
I had one which killed 3 Hard Drives before I realised thats what the
problem was, and the last hard drive was so cooked it didn't even spin
up.

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Re: [gentoo-user] broken python howto

[Kent Fredric]

On 1/30/07, Daniel Iliev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Any ideas and/or suggestions will be much appreciated.

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The Last time i had one of those problems I cracked out an old binpkg
I had lying around ( a lesson I learned a while back on freebsd when i
had make,gcc and tar ALL break due to a common lib dying : moral of
the story: always have static copies of tar/make/bz2 in binpkgs :| )

I know its a nasty solution, but in times of desperation, a manual
untarring of a binpkg into the right place will save you much anguish.

I've not read of any other way to save that problem, other than
hacking up a recent snapshot and copying the files into place.

I'm sure theres a better answer than this, but I've yet to see it.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Hard Drive Crash - Please Help

[Kent Fredric]

On 1/28/07, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I did just try chrooting into my laptop's /dev/hda3 copy on my desktop
system with:

chroot /home/grant/hda3 /bin/bash

and the vi command always seg faults.  Does that mean the /dev/hda3
image is done-for and I should just start the laptop over from scratch
and import my /etc/ and /home/ directories when it's re-installed?



You may have neglected to setup /dev /proc and /sys for the chroot environment.

The gentoo install handbook will *should* show you how to get these going.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Hard Drive Crash - Please Help

[Kent Fredric]

On 1/28/07, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I haven't checked the laptop drive yet.  Can I make a smartmontools
package for the x86 laptop on the amd64 desktop?  How can I do that?

- Grant
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... that could also possibly explain why vim is dying, if you've
compiled amd64 in 64 bit mode some of your 32bit apps might complain.
;)


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Re: [gentoo-user] Hard Drive Crash - Please Help

[Kent Fredric]

I did a fresh format and install with the GTK installer from a LiveCD
and on the second boot errors are detected in the file system.  I
guess it's over for this drive?



If its within its warranty, send it back and ask for a replacement.
Make sure try get a technical explanation of what exactly is wrong
with it.


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Re: [gentoo-user] hardware suggestion: video camera

[Kent Fredric]

On 1/27/07, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi folks,


I'm looking for an cost effective video camera with (almost)
TV quality for recording directly to an gentoo box.
May also be an digicam w/ video recording capability.

Which device would you suggest ?


thx

I got a cheap  Logitech QuickCam EC, which works pretty well with the
GSPCA (media-video/gspcav1) drivers. My only qualms with that camera
is it has a very high grain, dead pixels ( yes. .. dead pixels.. ) and
it behaves poorly in bad lighting, and whites out in sunlight, and has
limited colour control. ( and it makes everything yellow ).

So for your digicam solution, I would not reccomend that unless you
dont mind something cheap and nasty. IF you want to record from any
linux capable video camera/digicam, mencoder and transcode should both
be able to record from it as a V4L device. :)

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