Re: [ozmidwifery] A Sleep
Thats beautiful Maree - who is the author? Pinky - Original Message - From: Maree Lipschitz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:14 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] A Sleep This is so beautifuland takes me back to those precious moments... Enjoy! A Sleep I love the time of day when we lay together, and the heavy mantle of Sleep comes to cover us, and shepherds you into her domain. The damp sweat of your brow moistens the curve of my arm as you are rhythmically lulled into Sleep. A rosebud mouth pulls at my breast, and then, ever so slowly, the nipple pink falls from your mouth to rest, glistening against the petal soft cheek. The gentle arc of your brow softens. The fairy-like wing of your lash quivers. The grasp of your hand relaxes. Your feet barely twitch as you cross the gate into dreamland, held as you are, by the ancient arms of Sleep. Kind regardsMaree Lipschitz Motherhood Mysteries11 Oakley RoadBondi NSW 2026Ph/Fx: (02)9130 7283Mob: 0417 428 007Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.motherhoodmysteries.com.au 'Supporting mothers to nurture themselves - passionately, powerfully and playfully'
[ozmidwifery] Re co-sleping
Hi everyone, Ivr just done an interview with ACA this morning about co-sleeping they are placing infra red cameras in mums bedrooms tomorrow night to watch them co-sleeping (!!). as well as interviewing these two mums. They sent three young lads - the journalist and camera/ sound guys were all young childless men- which makes me feel a whole lot more confident - as they probably have no particular bias. the "other side" is going to be an Adelaide Forensic specialist -Professor Rodger Baird - anyone know his "take" on co-sleeping?? I made the point that I feel its an insult to assume that a mothers body is little more than a lethal rolling pin and that mothers are more responsive than inert cot mattresses. There were questionsre safety/ sex life/ dependency - etc etc - it will of course depend how they cut this -they kept trying to get me to say taht co-sleeping was THE thing to do when actually I think all mothers need support however they best sleep. My interest is tho in Prof Baird - his name is familiar but I cant remember why and being forensic I am certain he will claim cosleeping is dangerous!!. Pinky
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re co-sleping
late this week or next week. They are doing the mums tomorrow and putting the cameras in tomorrow night. I can see the promos now - they asked me doesnt it play havoc with your sex life? -I asked (as I always did when I had babies) Do you only make love in bed - at night time?? Pinky - Original Message - From: JoFromOz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re co-sleping Pinky, I am very interested in co-sleeping... I can't wait to see the ACA segment. Do you know when they will air it? Thanks, Jo
[ozmidwifery] Kaz Cooke contact details
Hi Leigh, Kaz has emailed with her contact details - Call Token Artists on 9417 4700 in Melbourne Pinky
Re: [ozmidwifery] pregnant soon after birth!
Hi Jo, Do you think perhaps the fact that she is pregnant again means her baby has been a bit hungry (breastmilk changes/ lower supply due to pregnancy)? Or is picking up on her tiredness/ perhaps reduced responsiveness due to this exhaustion. And what does she mean by "terrible sleeper" ? So many people now expect bubs to sleep for at least 10 hours by six months - and even sooner. I have an article on baby sleep in the latest Family Circle -they have highlighted the piece "mothers and babies who sleep together tend to get into the same sleep cycles". I feel as though some of our natural ideas are being seen as a bit of a novelty -am being interviewed by A Current Affair next week re co-sleeping. I have no idea who "the other side" will be. So far they have banged on about my ideas on "safety/ rolling on babies" I keep saying when was the last time you fell out of bed? If you like I can send you my email newsletter which focusses on controlled crying and has links to Ask Dr Sears, Kangaroo care, Continuum concept and James McKennas sites - probably not exactly helpful to a very tired mum trying to make pregnancy decisions though. I think the idea of support is spot on -have just discovered there is avoluntary group thattrains helpers - its called Good Beginnings, or a doula? Your own storywas probably good for her to hear too and may slowly help her consider that babies do change and grow -andeven in several months her baby will be different and possibly sleeping a bit more, and of course she will have more energy once she gets through these first few months, but I guess shes sooverwhelmed right now and not having any other kids there is nt that experience to guide her choices. Thanks for recommending my Crying book -I hope it helps. pinky - Original Message - From: jo hunter To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 5:56 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] pregnant soon after birth! Hi all, I had a phone call from a woman today who is seeking information and or stories from other women who have had 2 babies close together. She has a 6 month old and has found out she is pregnant again. She is not sure whether or not she will go ahead with the pregnancy as she feels she will be unable to cope with 2 children so close. I was able to share my own story with her (pregnant with 3rd when 2nd was 4 months old). I feel she's quite unsupported as a mother but tells me her pregnancy, birth and parenting so far have been positive and she is quite obviously in love with her bub,she has been control crying her baby'who is a terrible sleeper' and says she feels exhausted much of the time(I referred her to your book Pinky). Does anyone have any ideas of websites, books etc to help her. A bit lost! Thanks Jo Hunter Homebirth mum to 4 HAS Coordinator Innate Birth CBEducator and Doula
Re: [ozmidwifery] Wanting contact for Kaz Cooke
Hi Leigh , I only have her personal email which shes a bit precious about,so have forwarded your email to her. Pinky - Original Message - From: leigh pettingill To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 11:10 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Wanting contact for Kaz Cooke Does anyone have contact details for Kaz? I am wanting to contact her about artwork for a pamphlet. Cheers, Leigh pettingill
Re: [ozmidwifery] Lieves story
Love to you Lieve and to Lars family - how heatwrenching to be given this hope and have it snatched away again. Pinky - Original Message - From: Rhonda To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lieves story I have heard from Lieve and I am sure she will not mind me replying on her behalf. She has been very busy. Lars passed away after an operation at another hospital that had a 75% chance of a possitive outcome. It was very traumatic and confusing for his parents who were given some hope from this second opinion. The first hospital had predicted that Lars would quietly slip into a coma and die peacefully and the second hospital said it would be much more difficult for him if he remained untreated. There was an operation they could do which had a 75 % chance of a normal life. They said that they had never seen a baby with his condition do so well and breast feed and thrive - he was about 6 weeks of age. The parents spoke to parents were given contacts for other parents who had babied who had survived the operation and decided to go ahead with it. It went well but then a few days latter they said that he was failing and would not survive without the life support system. Then the parents had to decide to turn it off - Lars went peacefully in his mothers arms. They returned him home and packed him in ice in his cot and had a few days to say goodbye and have visitors over. I do hope lieve that i have relayed the story well for you. I do hope that Nele is doing well and kept the amazing strength that she had throughout this ordeal. Regards Rhonda. ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, July 10, 2003 23:58:49 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lieves story I was wondering too. marilyn - Original Message - From: Sheena Johnson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 3:45 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Lieves story Was wondering if anyone had heard from Lieve and what has happened with Nele and Lars, have I missed a posting? Regards Sheena Johnson IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here image/gif
Re: [ozmidwifery] SMH Good Weekend Article on Saturday Criticising Birth Plans
Hi Julie, I saw it and it deserves a stack of letters, I didnt see it as "funny" -initially, I thought it might be but as I read on I began to feel really offended. Pinky - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke To: Ozmidwifery Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 2:34 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] SMH Good Weekend Article on Saturday Criticising Birth Plans Hi everyone, I received this email from a lovely woman who came through my classes last year did others see this article too? Hug Julie Hi Julie, I was wondering whether you managed to see the article in this weekend's Good Weekend magazine in the Sydney Morning Herald. It's written by Mia Freedman about how (apparently) useless birth plans are, and basically goes on to ridicule any woman who has the intention of trying to have minimal intervention in labour. And I quote: "Fastforward to the actual birth and $100 says she'll be swearing at said husband while screaming for an epidural. $200 says the CDs and the oil burner won't even make it out of the labour bag." "But while birth plans are relatively harmless, I'm far less tolerant of the very vocal group of childbirth zealots who rail against pain relief and 'intervention'. Why aren't these women grateful for medical help?" "Epidurals don't appear to affect the baby physically." Whilst I wouldn't say that I'm a person who would get up on her soap box and push the natural birth method on everyone, I was really offended reading the article. I understand that it's meant to be a humorous piece of writing, but I think it actually has the effect of offending those who desire the most natural birth possible, yet will welcome medical assistance if required. I feel like writinga letter into the SMH expressing my disappointment with the article and pointing out a few misconceptions regarding epidurals, like they're totally risk-free to both mother and baby. If you haven't seen it, the SMH is still on sale, but if you don't get to see it and would like to see it, just let me know and I'll pop it around to you.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Ridiculous Story in the Good Weekend
great letter - yes I do love the last bit! Pinky - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke To: Ozmidwifery Mailing List Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 3:40 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Ridiculous Story in the Good Weekend Hi Below is my response to the SMH Good Weekend article hope they are inundated with lots of letters - SMH Letters [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can tell it pressed my buttons J Do you like my last point? Hug to all Julie -Original Message-From: Julie Clarke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 14 July 2003 3:34 PMTo: SMH LettersSubject: Ridiculous Story in the Good Weekend Mia Freedman in her article criticising Birth Plans and Natural Birth reveals herself as a woman who had unrealistic expectations about labour and birth, an unpreparedness to understand and work with her body during labour, along with bizarre ideas about maintaining appearances (her hairdo) instead of embracing the use of a hot shower for pain relief. What a strangely old-fashioned aspect that was to her birth story. I had heard stories from some of my friends who were like Mia and it taught me that attitude was everything when it comes to birthing luckily, I was able to learn from their mistakes, made smart choices. With enough courage and determination had a natural birth in the squatting position with my first baby and then a homebirth waterbirth with my second baby, all the while cared for by wise and wonderful midwives. So Mia was spitting the dummy when her birth wasnt quick and easy, didnt go according to plan and rather than accepting the responsibility for her own behaviour, she is turning her anger on to others and blaming those who endorse natural birth. Well there is a little more to it than the superficial tone to your article Mia. Becoming pregnant is a very grown up thing to do, fortunately there is usually about 9 months to realise this. Many women approach it as a personal growth experience both physically and emotionally, they listen and learn from experienced mothers, read a wide variety of books, attend good quality birth and parenting preparation sessions, accept the responsibility for decision-making and choose wise options. Many couples recognise the time during the pregnancy when changes to lifestyle need to occur, they talk more about the future, they plan all sorts of things together (only one of these elements is a birth plan) and they will often discover a maturing of their relationship. They become closer and work more as a team together this is exactly what a baby needs from its mum and dad isnt it? Julie Clarke T. (02) 9544 6441
[ozmidwifery] Lars
Hi Sheena, I have been wondering the last few days too- are we getting vibes - or have we missed something? Pinky
Re: [ozmidwifery] my little contribution...
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] my little contribution... Wow!! fantastic -fame AND fortune -enjoy! Pinky - Original Message - From: Lois Wattis To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] my little contribution... Woo H!! Enjoy, Tania. I'm sure you deserve the break! Cheers, Lois - Original Message - From: Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] my little contribution... Well this will blow you all away (it blew me away!!) .. I was chosen as the caller of the week and won a trip for 2 adults and 2 kids to the Gold Coast!! All that for talking for a minute on the radio about breastfeeding!! WOW Tania - Original Message - From: Jan Robinson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] my little contribution... Fantastic TaniaCan I pass this news on to my ABA colleagues back here in Sydney?Jan RobinsonOn 2/7/03 10:09 PM, "barbara glare chris bright" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fabulous work, Tania. Good on you.Love, BarbBarb GlareMum of Zac, 10, Daniel 8 and Cassie, 5ABA Poster and Calendar orders [EMAIL PROTECTED]- Original Message - From: Lois Wattis mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 9:23 PMSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] my little contribution...Congratulations Tania - well done. Love Lois- Original Message - From: Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 2:22 PMSubject: [ozmidwifery] my little contribution...Just had to share, I got my 2 cents worth in on Adelaide radio today - they had a segment called can of worms, and the topic was about when to stop breastfeeding. You can imagine some of the ill informed and downright brainless caller responses they had (mostly blokes). So I rang up and let them know about the benefits of long term breastfeeding, for babies and Mum's too, and commented on our sick society and our inability to see that the most natural healthy thing is not rude or 'off'. I got on the air, and I think they were so dumfounded they had found someone who actually breastfed for a lengthy period of time, they just let me talk! And to top it off, I won a prize for best caller! WOW!!!Cheers Tania
Re: [ozmidwifery] letter to editor
great stuff, Pinky - Original Message - From: Larry Megan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 8:17 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] letter to editor Howdy all, we have had very little newspaper coverage in Adelaide about how the Insurance will effet midwives but I did get my Letter to Editor published in the Advertiser and the local paper said they will also print it, Where is the governments support of Midwives? The World Health Organisation recognises Midwives as the most appropriate and cost effective type of health care provider to be assigned to the care of women in normal pregnancy and birth, including the risk assessment and the recognition of complications [WHO,1999, Care in Normal Birth]. What is the explanation for the huge financial bailout of Obstetricians, yet not a single cent has been made available for Midwives. This is not about an increase in insurance premiums, but a total unavailability of any indemnity insurance, effecting Midwives in private practice, Midwifery students and agency Midwives. For two years now we have been crying out for support of Midwives and the need for assistance in obtaining Insurance, when will our pleas be addressed. Why have Obstetricians not offered their united support to Midwives, surely they dont think that they can run maternity services on their own? Keep up the prejudice and we just might get to see it happen. The birth of a baby is one of lifes most precious events, please give women the chance to strengthen the experience by birthing with Midwives. Megan Resch there was some good radio coverage though on local ABC, cheers Megan -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] my little contribution...
Congratulations!!! Pinky - Original Message - From: Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 4:22 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] my little contribution... Just had to share, I got my 2 cents worth in on Adelaide radio today - they had a segment called can of worms, and the topic was about when to stop breastfeeding. You can imagine some of the ill informed and downright brainless caller responses they had (mostly blokes). So I rang up and let them know about the benefits of long term breastfeeding, for babies and Mum's too, and commented on our sick society and our inability to see that the most natural healthy thing is not rude or 'off'. I got on the air, and I think they were so dumfounded they had found someone who actually breastfed for a lengthy period of time, they just let me talk! And to top it off, I won a prize for best caller! WOW!!! Cheers Tania
[ozmidwifery] In control Crying
I was sent this for comment by a webhost - an expert on her panel answered the following question thus: - I am amazed at the description - "in control" crying. Is this getting to be a common way to persuade mothers to control cry? -it is certainly the only option offered here. Pinky My son is 6 months old and has always had a dummy. He is now waking up in the night-time to find that his dummy has fallen out, so he cries out for me to go and put the dummy back in. As soon as I do this, he falls back to sleep. The problem is that sometimes I have to do this every hour during the night, which can sometimes be up to 8 times a night. I can't really control cry him because the problem is solved as soon as I put the dummy back in. And I don't want to stop using the dummy just yet. Do you have any suggestions on how I can encourage him to go back to sleep on his own? Dear Dummies or comforters. Had you considered, that by getting up to put the dummy back in his mouth ,that you are thanking him for waking up. When your child stops being rewarded he will have the opportunity to self settle. I suggest you contact a Sleep Centre, they have overnight stays to support you making a change. Speak with your Maternal and Child Health Nurse. You say you are not ready to control cry , think about "In control crying. " The dummy is a pet topic of mine. They are of value with some small babies. It is my observation that often they make children cry more, Good luck
Re: [ozmidwifery] Australian Association for Infant Mental health statement of controlled crying
Hello Carolyn, I was sent a copy of this by Sydney psychologist Robin Grille -I didnt have the web link thanks. Can anyone help me - I have received several emails from a US former employee of Gary Ezzo (Babywise -associated with failure to thrive and dehydration by members of American Academy of Paediatrics and LCs. Robin Grille sent a letter to the Australian Association of infant mental health re this regime and it was published in their newsletter. Now Robin is being sued by EZZO -I have not spoken to him about this and he has been warned not to speak/ associate with the US person (and probably anyone else as this could be bad for his outcome ) According to the US guy, an Australian group of Lactation consultants who reprinted Robin Grilles letter in their newsletter is also being sued - I would like to find out who they are - I am not sure how I can help but if there could be some publicity here about this muzzling of free speech, there may be some further publicity in the US - where Ezzo is already in strife -this may make hom back off the people he istrying to sue here. Although he promotes his crap as Christian parenting he has been moved on from more than one church -he is dangerous and obviously has plenty of finacial backing from his ministry -over 4 million of his books have been sold - thats a lot of desperate parents allowing themselves to be brainwashed. - and putting their babies at risk. Does anyone know who these LCs are? Pinky - Original Message - From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Birthnews [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 8:34 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Australian Association for Infant Mental health statement of controlled crying FYI The Australian Association for Infant Mental Health has put out a statement on controlled crying that may be of interest. Word document: http://www.afcca.com.au/Files/Child%20Crying%20AAIMHI.doc HTML version: http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:8grZAJNGINsJ:www.afcca.com.au/Files/Chi ld%2520Crying%2520AAIMHI.doc+Controlled+crying+(also+known+as+controlled+com fortinghl=enie=UTF-8 Pinky, your books are recommended as resources :-) warmly, Carolyn Hastie The world is wide and I will not waste my life in friction when it could be turned into momentum. Frances Willard Heartlogic Consultancy The Bully Busters - creating positive workcultures through improving emotional intelligence Birth with delight - dissipate fear Phone +61 2 4389 3919 Fax +61 2 4388 6819 Mobile 0418 428 430 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] PO Box 5405 Chittaway Bay NSW 2261 Australia -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
Hi Jeanie - thats so sad but I can relate - I got a bit famous in our local community in the 70s I was a La Leche Group Leader in Nz in the 70s and the dear local Mormon girls came to see me about breastfeeding. When it had the desired -for them - natural child spacing effects, they were all in deep poo at their church (a baby was expected every year) - we lived in Hamilton near a large Mormon temple. I also worked weekends in a postnatal ward while I was still breastfeeding a then 4 year old and there was a lot of birth activism going on -the same women were in LLL and Parents centres / home birth movement etc so I often heard how weird we all were- hey but the fight was worth it -things did change - from rooming in to lots of birth options. My girls tandem nursed (born 80 and 83) - during pregnancy Larissa 'favoured' one side and said 'that is the babys booby' - as she stopped drinking from that side it produced colostrum while 'her' side continued to produced milk right through the pregnancy -then there was colostrum from both breasts after birth - milk in within 12 hours - 3 year old definitely helpful! It wasnt alwasy easy -there were days when I felt like a piece of meat being chewed on by two voracious puppies - At first, Larissa developed very severe middle ear infection and runny nose while I was in hospital (induction the works) and she drank some cow milk at home (allergy)although bfed when she came to visit me. Then as soon as I was home again Larissa nursed on her side when Sarah Nursed and then had Sarahs side by herself' later. Sarah was a very chubby baby and I felt she must have got a very good dose of hind milk -I really allowed them to nurse whenever either wanted. The importnat thing for me was to eat much more -I was a much faster burner then and often became quite lightheaded or tired . Rick used to say when did you last eat? which was helpful -after a good protein snack I was fine again. I will add you all to my Breastfeeders file -as soon as I get my head around it I will contact you. Has anyone read teh Contented little baby book of weaning?? I havent but have seen it on shelves Thanks Pinky - Original Message - From: Jeannie Minnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Hi Pinky, I tandem fed my children back in the 1970's and would be very happy to be interviewd if it would assist your research. I lived in a small conservative rural community and was regarded as the local sexual deviant and witch!! Jeannie Minnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Have just been speaking to Larissa on the phone - mentioned I may need to interview her - her most vivid 'mammary' is having conjunctivitis when she was little and me squirting breastmilk into her sticky eye! Pinky - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 4:16 AMSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Pinky Thank you for this I it made me chuckle denise - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Hi Barb, Thanks, Ive just accepted the other offers for PP -what a scream! - an interview of breastfed kids - I might do that for a natural parenting mag -will check out some of the more avant guard mainstreamers too (Junior magazine have asked if I would like to write for them - www.juniormagazine.co.uk -they've had some controversial/ unusual articles ) - My daughter Larissa (now almost 23 and almost a psychologist) was around 51/2 when she tried to have a booby to help ease the pain of an ear infection (she hadnt nursed for a few weeks -Sarah -then 2 was still nursing as well so there was plenty of milk) . As she tried to nibble she looked up matter-of- factly and said I think I've lost my sucking reflex -that was her 'weaning'. She would be a great expert. Now that is food for thought! Pinky - Original Message - From: barbara glare chris bright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Dear Pinky, I'm still breastfeeding Cassie who is 5 and a half. You could interview her! She speaks quite eloquently about breastfeeding and breastmilk. I could easily set you up with a few longer term breastfeeders for interviews, and have some great photos of toddlers breastfeeding. Love, Barb ABAPoster and Calendar orders [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
Hi Jackie, Yes Ace are selling my books, but you can also down load an order form at my website (I can also send out nice coloured fliers if anyone wants some to leave lying around -free and free postage) I offer a discount for orders of both books (at my site) and postage is free in Australia. I will also file you under Breastfeeders -I am thinking where I can now do a longer article on extended breastfeeding -its so good to hear of all these lucky babies - and their mums are all healthy and happy - I so often used to hear -it must be taking a lot out of you - mostly just milk?? Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: Jaqueline Marwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 7:28 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Dear Pinky Your book must be the one! Is it on sale through Ace graphics? As far as breastfeeding goes, I have been breastfeeding since March 2001 when my son was born. I breastfed him all throughout my pregnancy and I have only weaned him when I was 8 months pregnant and a month later I started again with my baby girl who is now 8 months old. I will continue to breastfeed her for as long as we want, hopefully for a long time :) Hey Tina, well done Jackie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of M T Holroyd Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2003 1:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Hi Pinky, Pnky wrote: Any current long term breastfeeders (with a nursing toddler 1 to 2 years old right now) willing to be interviewed? My breastfeeding times grow longer with each child. I am not currently feeding an older child, but did feed my third child until 3 years 1 month. We weaned because I was approx. 4 mths pregnant suffering with fatigue morning sickness. We weaned in Oct / Nov last year. If this is recent enough feel free to contact me. Tina H. Brisbane. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
Yeah - how about Extending the Breast -reckon they'd cop that? (Im sure there has to be an angle -??soft and round - squished between grasping little fingers?) Any current long term breastfeeders (with a nursing toddler 1 to 2 years old right now) willing to be interviewed? Ill check with Mara (the ed) -I bet they havent done one about THAT in the recent (or distant) past. Pinky. - Original Message - From: Cheryl LHK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep And Pinky ... you do a great job in your little bit in the mag. Having been a subscriber for several years now, it both informs and astounds me some of the articles that are written. We are getting back to some common-sense mothering with your advice. They have (for years) been running a pregnancy diary where they follow through three different women from conception to birth; several ladies over the years have wanted home birth, but not many have been sucessful. I think the last one ended up FTP and C/S. Keep up the good writing, are you doing one on the benefits of breast-feeding soon?? Cheryl From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:28:19 +1000 BTW -= my column in the current issue(June) of Practical Parenting is I Failed Sleep School -and the one just about to come out (July) is called Joined at The Hip -about Velcro babies and why carrying is good for babies. August is co-sleeping. I only get 500 words so its a tame approach (or I mightnt get it past) but the seeds are sown. The July issue (due out next week, I think) has an article about 3 breech births that WERENT caesarean -and also an article about episiotomies that I havent read yet -may be worth some letters to the ed on these ones. Pinky - Original Message - From: Jaqueline Marwick To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:53 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep I must agree with Pinky as well And I call it the CIO method, the old name which is really CRY IT OUT. Now they call it controlled crying so it sounds a bit less cruel. This is in fact the old CRY IT OUT method, which means parents are told to let their babies cry , cry, cry until there are no more tears and so they sleep very tired from a very stressful cry, and probably thinking it makes no difference to cry or not, since mum and dad won't come to comfort them anyway. Sad. I went to this website (sleep baby sleep) and looked on their forum, and there it was: BINGO! Someone mentioned NGALA , an organisation in WA that promotes this CIO method for babies and also preaches that we should cut the night feeds and even avoid eye contact with the baby during the night (in case they wake up)amongst other pretty full on evil ways. Sad. And the worst thing is that these people have plenty of room in the media, I always hear them talking on the radio as specialists or experts in sleep methods, experts in parenting And they do have an audience! May God have mercy on them! What sort of child-parent relationship are these people creating by establishing that pattern? Jackie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pinky McKay Sent: Monday, 23 June 2003 2:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep I think you are right Marilyn - did anyone see Saturdays Age -re 25 year olds and the stress these women are under - career/ study etc -not at all about mothers, but add mothering, especially with unrealistic expectations, to this scenario and it would all be a slippery downhill slide. I have several friends at the grandmother end who are wearing this stress (as well as trying to live their own lives) and actually being diagnosed with depression -as their young daughters are struggling with mothering and finding it overwhelming - maybe we all need to learn to slow up somehow and reach out to each other more. It seems prescriptions (which I am not knocking either, as they are a definite lifeline, just the irony that they are offered as the 'fix') are needed to cope with things that should be helped by support - yet the community for honoring mothering isnt really there and our life pace is getting so fast. Or could it be these new mums are part of a generation who missed out on nurturing themselves? There is a saying - happiness is not in things it is in us but perhaps it really isnt in us if we are stressed from birth and as infants -and possibly predisposed to react more sensitively to work/life stress. There is evidence that excess stress hormones -iecortisol can shrink/ alter parts of the brain - at any age (I am just waiting for a new desk to arrive so all my
[ozmidwifery] sleep baby sleep
My second letter today - we can make a difference - one family at a time. Dear Pinky, I am a new mum with a 15 week old beautiful boy. I was pressured into attending "sleep school" with Harrison as he wasn't sleeping the required hours during the day. I then persisted to practice the controlled comfort techniques for three days before plucking up enough courage to stop. I knew in my heart this was a cruel way of getting him to sleep but until I read your books I was told this was the only way. Sleep school not only made me feel as if I was failing as a mother but also took away any confidence I had to begin with. Your books gave me a shove in the right direction and the strength to stand up to the critics. I have found a way that works for us ( I call it Harrison's way!) and I'm sticking to it! There is nothing better than rocking my little man to sleep in my arms of a night or snuggling up together in our bed in the early hours of the morning. Even although it took me this long to find our way, we are enjoying each other so much. I can't thank you enough for allowing me to parent the gentle way. (By the way, Harrison sleeps much more contented and more hours now than he did while applying the sleep school). techniques
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PS -Thankyou for your lovely feedback Cheryl Pinky - Original Message - From: Cheryl LHK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep And Pinky ... you do a great job in your little bit in the mag. Having been a subscriber for several years now, it both informs and astounds me some of the articles that are written. We are getting back to some common-sense mothering with your advice. They have (for years) been running a pregnancy diary where they follow through three different women from conception to birth; several ladies over the years have wanted home birth, but not many have been sucessful. I think the last one ended up FTP and C/S. Keep up the good writing, are you doing one on the benefits of breast-feeding soon?? Cheryl From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:28:19 +1000 BTW -= my column in the current issue(June) of Practical Parenting is I Failed Sleep School -and the one just about to come out (July) is called Joined at The Hip -about Velcro babies and why carrying is good for babies. August is co-sleeping. I only get 500 words so its a tame approach (or I mightnt get it past) but the seeds are sown. The July issue (due out next week, I think) has an article about 3 breech births that WERENT caesarean -and also an article about episiotomies that I havent read yet -may be worth some letters to the ed on these ones. Pinky - Original Message - From: Jaqueline Marwick To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:53 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep I must agree with Pinky as well And I call it the CIO method, the old name which is really CRY IT OUT. Now they call it controlled crying so it sounds a bit less cruel. This is in fact the old CRY IT OUT method, which means parents are told to let their babies cry , cry, cry until there are no more tears and so they sleep very tired from a very stressful cry, and probably thinking it makes no difference to cry or not, since mum and dad won't come to comfort them anyway. Sad. I went to this website (sleep baby sleep) and looked on their forum, and there it was: BINGO! Someone mentioned NGALA , an organisation in WA that promotes this CIO method for babies and also preaches that we should cut the night feeds and even avoid eye contact with the baby during the night (in case they wake up)amongst other pretty full on evil ways. Sad. And the worst thing is that these people have plenty of room in the media, I always hear them talking on the radio as specialists or experts in sleep methods, experts in parenting And they do have an audience! May God have mercy on them! What sort of child-parent relationship are these people creating by establishing that pattern? Jackie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pinky McKay Sent: Monday, 23 June 2003 2:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep I think you are right Marilyn - did anyone see Saturdays Age -re 25 year olds and the stress these women are under - career/ study etc -not at all about mothers, but add mothering, especially with unrealistic expectations, to this scenario and it would all be a slippery downhill slide. I have several friends at the grandmother end who are wearing this stress (as well as trying to live their own lives) and actually being diagnosed with depression -as their young daughters are struggling with mothering and finding it overwhelming - maybe we all need to learn to slow up somehow and reach out to each other more. It seems prescriptions (which I am not knocking either, as they are a definite lifeline, just the irony that they are offered as the 'fix') are needed to cope with things that should be helped by support - yet the community for honoring mothering isnt really there and our life pace is getting so fast. Or could it be these new mums are part of a generation who missed out on nurturing themselves? There is a saying - happiness is not in things it is in us but perhaps it really isnt in us if we are stressed from birth and as infants -and possibly predisposed to react more sensitively to work/life stress. There is evidence that excess stress hormones -iecortisol can shrink/ alter parts of the brain - at any age (I am just waiting for a new desk to arrive so all my stuff is inaccessible but had some interesting notes from a neuro psychologist at Monash on this). So if women were already living under stress, then they would be close to the 'edge' and a baby could be the final 'straw' . I am not sure how much of this stress is due to perception and expectations - surely mothers
Re: [ozmidwifery] re extending the breast
Hi all, Actually jo, You are possibly the most apropriate mum and Bethany you would be a great expert' and its all pretty fresh for you too. Kirsten I will keep your email re your sister on file. I think tandem nursing - (did it myself) is an article on its own -or part of a longer article than the mere 500 words I have. I also think I may need to break in the idea of big babies gently too. Oh tis a form of censorship isnt it, having to please editors/ advertisers etc -I was told by one group I deal with that I mustnt write about breastfeeding as it makes mothers feel guilty - and now I am not allowed to write ANY articles with my name on (I do lots of filler bits/ competitions etc) in this same wee mag - of which I am the editor (ha ha the buck doesnt stop with me but with the client) . This is why I play it fairly gently - or I wouldnt have a voice at all. And goodness knows, there are few enough places in mainstream media that we can be heard above the baby trainers/ crap from a can feeders/ unconscious birthers. A story about having your own midwife, and another about doulas are on my list too. Thanks for your offers, Pinky - Original Message - From: jo hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Pinky wrote Any current long term breastfeeders (with a nursing toddler 1 to 2 years old right now) willing to be interviewed? Hi Pinky, Jo Hunter here - I'm still breastfeeding my 20 month old daughter and know of a few other women breastfeeding their toddlers who I'm sure would be willing to be interviewed! Love your work! Jo HAS Coordinator Homebirth mum to 4 INNATE BIRTH CBEducator and doula -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Hi Barb, Thanks, Ive just accepted the other offers for PP -what a scream! - an interview of breastfed kids - I might do that for a natural parenting mag -will check out some of the more avant guard mainstreamers too (Junior magazine have asked if I would like to write for them - www.juniormagazine.co.uk -they've had some controversial/ unusual articles ) - My daughter Larissa (now almost 23 and almost a psychologist) was around 51/2 when she tried to have a booby to help ease the pain of an ear infection (she hadnt nursed for a few weeks -Sarah -then 2 was still nursing as well so there was plenty of milk) . As she tried to nibble she looked up matter-of- factly and said I think I've lost my sucking reflex -that was her 'weaning'. She would be a great expert. Now that is food for thought! Pinky - Original Message - From: barbara glare chris bright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Dear Pinky, I'm still breastfeeding Cassie who is 5 and a half. You could interview her! She speaks quite eloquently about breastfeeding and breastmilk. I could easily set you up with a few longer term breastfeeders for interviews, and have some great photos of toddlers breastfeeding. Love, Barb ABAPoster and Calendar orders [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Neretlis, Bethany [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 11:08 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep pinky, i have fed both my girls for 2 years each. unfortunately, i ceased feeding 10 months ago. i am also a midwife. if there is any way i can help you with any breastfeeding articles, please leet me know. bethany -Original Message- From: Pinky McKay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2003 19:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Yeah - how about Extending the Breast -reckon they'd cop that? (Im sure there has to be an angle -??soft and round - squished between grasping little fingers?) Any current long term breastfeeders (with a nursing toddler 1 to 2 years old right now) willing to be interviewed? Ill check with Mara (the ed) -I bet they havent done one about THAT in the recent (or distant) past. Pinky. - Original Message - From: Cheryl LHK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep And Pinky ... you do a great job in your little bit in the mag. Having been a subscriber for several years now, it both informs and astounds me some of the articles that are written. We are getting back to some common-sense mothering with your advice. They have (for years) been running a pregnancy diary where they follow through three different women from conception to birth; several ladies over the years have wanted home birth, but not many have been sucessful. I think the last one ended up FTP and C/S. Keep up the good writing, are you doing one on the benefits of breast-feeding soon?? Cheryl From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:28:19 +1000 BTW -= my column in the current issue(June) of Practical Parenting is I Failed Sleep School -and the one just about to come out (July) is called Joined at The Hip -about Velcro babies and why carrying is good for babies. August is co-sleeping. I only get 500 words so its a tame approach (or I mightnt get it past) but the seeds are sown. The July issue (due out next week, I think) has an article about 3 breech births that WERENT caesarean -and also an article about episiotomies that I havent read yet -may be worth some letters to the ed on these ones. Pinky - Original Message - From: Jaqueline Marwick To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:53 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep I must agree with Pinky as well And I call it the CIO method, the old name which is really CRY IT OUT. Now they call it controlled crying so it sounds a bit less cruel. This is in fact the old CRY IT OUT method, which means parents are told to let their babies cry , cry, cry until there are no more tears and so they sleep very tired from a very stressful cry, and probably thinking it makes no difference to cry or not, since mum and dad won't come to comfort them anyway. Sad. I went to this website (sleep baby sleep) and looked on their forum, and there it was: BINGO! Someone mentioned NGALA , an organisation in WA that promotes this CIO method for babies and also preaches that we should cut the night feeds and even avoid eye contact with the baby during the night (in case they wake up)amongst other pretty full on evil ways. Sad
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Hi Tania and all you other deviates -I now have started a file - Breastfeeders -and plopped all your emails into it -My wee small brain is ticking very loudly -I think people do need to hear that babies really, actually benefit from breastfeeding as long as it goes on (and on).And why shouldnt we have a voice, that all is well and sure there are some challenges (mostly from other people), but we arent all martyrs or co-dependents or the one i 'love' - doing it for ourselves! I had a disagreement with a GP some years ago when she scoffed that I was breastfeeding James at 3 - and told me there was no goodness after 3 MONTHS! (We were also having a debate about immunisation -I was scared she would call welfare by the time I finished but I couldnt sit quietly and listen to such rot) Many years later (her clinic is conveniently close and she is otherwise a good doctor/ we dont get sick often -I didnt need baby advice any more) I took Sarah along with tonsilitis -This dr looked up her charts -to discover Sarah hadnt been sick at all for several years -in fact only had a couple of minor illnesses at all -ever. She said, your children really are very healthy arent they -she now has a poster for my crying book in her waiting room and a copy out for mums to look at. Pinky - Original Message - From: Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Pinky wrote Any current long term breastfeeders (with a nursing toddler 1 to 2 years old right now) willing to be interviewed? Hi there Pinky, It seems you're being swamped by us deviant life forms who continue to put our babe's to our breast long after society thinks we should have stopped!! I'm in Adelaide, so not sure if that helps you :), am breastfeeding my 23 month old, and tandem fed with my now 4 1/2 year old for about 8 months. Love to help you if I can. Tania Smallwood -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] an advertising opportunity? Queenslanders
I have just received this from Elizabeth -any Qlanders who may have announcements etc all ready to do -they have some free listings as well -this paper is distributed free through Health Food stores, natural therapists Pinky Hello Please pardon this quick note, the second in the month. However, there is a good opportunity at the end of it for those in the health arena and interested in promotion in Brisbane. Were printing 5,000 extra copies of Living NOW! July to go in show bags to be given away at the door of the upcoming AMA (Australian Medical Association) Expo (25-27 July). This means that as well as your usual readership, the magazine will be in the hands of many people who would not normally pick it up. Last years AMA expo was their first, and everyone wondered how the holistic health faction would fare, but the organisers are pleased to report that all relevant standholders are returning this year, some with bigger stands. In other words, there was a good interest in the alternative side of things, which is important for us of course. Check them out at www.amaq.com.au If youd like to take advantage of this extra exposure we can give an extension of deadline until noon tomorrow (Thursday, 26th June). Well still honour the 25% discount weve been giving Queensland-only advertisers on account of its smaller circulation (compared with NSW and VIC), but were pleased to say that this extra 5,000 copies will take this July issue to 35,000. Email your ad/s to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or simply respond to this email or phone 1800 803 714. Warm wishes Elizabeth Stephens Editor
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Have just been speaking to Larissa on the phone - mentioned I may need to interview her - her most vivid 'mammary' is having conjunctivitis when she was little and me squirting breastmilk into her sticky eye! Pinky - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 4:16 AMSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Pinky Thank you for this I it made me chuckle denise - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Hi Barb, Thanks, Ive just accepted the other offers for PP -what a scream! - an interview of breastfed kids - I might do that for a natural parenting mag -will check out some of the more avant guard mainstreamers too (Junior magazine have asked if I would like to write for them - www.juniormagazine.co.uk -they've had some controversial/ unusual articles ) - My daughter Larissa (now almost 23 and almost a psychologist) was around 51/2 when she tried to have a booby to help ease the pain of an ear infection (she hadnt nursed for a few weeks -Sarah -then 2 was still nursing as well so there was plenty of milk) . As she tried to nibble she looked up matter-of- factly and said I think I've lost my sucking reflex -that was her 'weaning'. She would be a great expert. Now that is food for thought! Pinky - Original Message - From: barbara glare chris bright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Dear Pinky, I'm still breastfeeding Cassie who is 5 and a half. You could interview her! She speaks quite eloquently about breastfeeding and breastmilk. I could easily set you up with a few longer term breastfeeders for interviews, and have some great photos of toddlers breastfeeding. Love, Barb ABAPoster and Calendar orders [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Neretlis, Bethany [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 11:08 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep pinky, i have fed both my girls for 2 years each. unfortunately, i ceased feeding 10 months ago. i am also a midwife. if there is any way i can help you with any breastfeeding articles, please leet me know. bethany -Original Message- From: Pinky McKay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2003 19:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Yeah - how about Extending the Breast -reckon they'd cop that? (Im sure there has to be an angle -??soft and round - squished between grasping little fingers?) Any current long term breastfeeders (with a nursing toddler 1 to 2 years old right now) willing to be interviewed? Ill check with Mara (the ed) -I bet they havent done one about THAT in the recent (or distant) past. Pinky. - Original Message - From: Cheryl LHK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep And Pinky ... you do a great job in your little bit in the mag. Having been a subscriber for several years now, it both informs and astounds me some of the articles that are written. We are getting back to some common-sense mothering with your advice. They have (for years) been running a pregnancy diary where they follow through three different women from conception to birth; several ladies over the years have wanted home birth, but not many have been sucessful. I think the last one ended up FTP and C/S. Keep up the good writing, are you doing one on the benefits of breast-feeding soon?? Cheryl From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:28:19 +1000 BTW -= my column in the current issue(June) of Practical Parenting is I Failed Sleep School -and the one just about to come out (July) is called Joined at The Hip -about Velcro babies and why carrying is good for babies. August is co-sleeping. I only get 500 words so its a tame approach (or I mightnt get it past) but the seeds are sown. The July issue (due out next week, I think) has an article about 3 breech births that WERENT caesarean -and also an article about episiotomies that I havent read yet -may be worth some letters to the ed on these ones. Pinky - Original Message - From: Jaqueline Marwick To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:53 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep I must agree
Re: [ozmidwifery] an advertising opportunity? Queenslanders
Hi Lois, I think Living Now is National but this conf is just in Qld. pinky - Original Message - From: Lois Wattis To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] an advertising opportunity? Queenslanders W.A. too?? Regards, Lois - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 9:28 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] an advertising opportunity? Queenslanders I have just received this from Elizabeth -any Qlanders who may have announcements etc all ready to do -they have some free listings as well -this paper is distributed free through Health Food stores, natural therapists Pinky Hello Please pardon this quick note, the second in the month. However, there is a good opportunity at the end of it for those in the health arena and interested in promotion in Brisbane. Were printing 5,000 extra copies of Living NOW! July to go in show bags to be given away at the door of the upcoming AMA (Australian Medical Association) Expo (25-27 July). This means that as well as your usual readership, the magazine will be in the hands of many people who would not normally pick it up. Last years AMA expo was their first, and everyone wondered how the holistic health faction would fare, but the organisers are pleased to report that all relevant standholders are returning this year, some with bigger stands. In other words, there was a good interest in the alternative side of things, which is important for us of course. Check them out at www.amaq.com.au If youd like to take advantage of this extra exposure we can give an extension of deadline until noon tomorrow (Thursday, 26th June). Well still honour the 25% discount weve been giving Queensland-only advertisers on account of its smaller circulation (compared with NSW and VIC), but were pleased to say that this extra 5,000 copies will take this July issue to 35,000. Email your ad/s to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or simply respond to this email or phone 1800 803 714. Warm wishes Elizabeth Stephens Editor
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
Hugs and Congratulations Jane -I didnt realise you were pregnant. I will contact you offlist -and you are in my file too. Pinky - Original Message - From: Jane Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 2:37 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Dear Pinky I am breastfeeding my 2 year old (who will be 3 in August) and my 4 week old baby. So let me know if I can be of any assistance. By the way - I don't think I have posted to this list that I had another wonderful homebirth. I now have a daughter called Lia Rose (such a surprise - I fully expected to have another boy). Cheers Jane Palmer Pregnancy, Birth and Beyond Caring, Professional Midwifery Services Sydney Visit http://www.pregnancy.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of jo hunter Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2003 11:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Pinky wrote Any current long term breastfeeders (with a nursing toddler 1 to 2 years old right now) willing to be interviewed? Hi Pinky, Jo Hunter here - I'm still breastfeeding my 20 month old daughter and know of a few other women breastfeeding their toddlers who I'm sure would be willing to be interviewed! Love your work! Jo HAS Coordinator Homebirth mum to 4 INNATE BIRTH CBEducator and doula -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
I think you are right Marilyn - did anyone see Saturdays Age -re 25 year olds and the stress these women are under - career/ study etc -not at all about mothers, but add mothering, especially with unrealistic expectations,to this scenario and it would all be a slippery downhill slide. I have several friends at the grandmother end who are wearing this stress (as well astrying to live their own lives)and actually being diagnosed with depression -as their young daughters are struggling with mothering and finding it overwhelming - maybe we all need to learn to slow up somehow and reach out to each other more. It seems prescriptions (which I am not knocking either, as they are a definite lifeline, just the irony that they are offered as the 'fix') are needed to cope with things that should be helped by support - yet the community for honoring mothering isnt really there and our life pace is getting so fast. Or could it be these new mums are part of a generation who missed out on nurturing themselves? There is a saying - "happiness is not in things it is in us" but perhaps it really isnt "in us" if we are stressed from birth and as infants -and possibly predisposed to react more sensitively to work/life stress. There is evidence that excess stress hormones -iecortisol can "shrink"/ alterparts of the brain - at any age(I am just waiting for a new desk to arrive so all my stuff is inaccessible but had some interesting notes from a neuro psychologist at Monash on this). So if women were already living under stress, then they would be close to the 'edge' andababy could be the final 'straw'. I am not sure how much of this stress is due to perception and expectations - surely mothers/ people in generalhavent always been so unhappy. Pinky - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep I totally agree with both Darren and Pinky as I am sure most everyone on the list does. However if you go to the Forums on that website, you see a whole other experience. It seems many new mothers have a very unrealistic expectation about being a mother, and not much has changed in 30 years of the expectations of many men. Of course these expectations are reinforced by family and friends. The sad thing that seems to be hitting me over the head as I work on the postnatal ward is that I think many women are latently (is that the right word) depressed: I mean just marginally below the surface of true clinical depression. And so it doesn't take much to tip them over the edge of not coping. They are not happy, they are barely coping with life, in short they are doing it tough. Maybe I am over reacting, I hope so. AndI don't think a mental health referral would help any more than a sleep baby sleep program. HoweverI do think these baby sleep marketeers are taking advantage of a climate of unhappiness. marilyn - Original Message - From: Darren Sunn To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep I agree with Pinky, Sleep managment masqurades as many forms (controlled crying etc.) There exits undue pressure not only from your own family but from relatives and friends to implement some form of sleep modification. Especially when bith of you have had no sleep for days , your moody and feeling distressed. Our beautiful child is 12 months now and he recently went through a 2 week period of waking every hour. Needless to say we spent a lot of time supporting each other and I explained to my work collegues that i wasn't going to be much use..(ha ha). That was only a few weeks back and now he is sleeping with only one or 2 wakes a night.(ps he does sleep with us also). He did have his molars comming through and I definately believe they effected his sleeping patterns. Babies and their families need support and reassurance, not systems of behaviour modification. Darren - Original Message ----- From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep YUk!!! Sounds cruel and a rip off to me - have you seen the Australian association of Infant mental health policy on controlled crying (settling techniques included) -I have a copy if anyone wants to email me offlist (so I can attach). I will try and get it onto my website soon. BTW - they recommend my books as an alternative to CC. I had a mum at my infant massage class last week - with a beautiful 3 month old - very
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
ones -iecortisol
can "shrink"/ alterparts of the brain - at any age(I am just
waiting for a new desk to arrive so all my stuff is inaccessible but had
some interesting notes from a neuro psychologist at Monash on this). So if
women were already living under stress, then they would be close to the
'edge' andababy could be the final 'straw'.
I am not sure how much of this
stress is due to perception and expectations - surely mothers/ people in
generalhavent always been so unhappy.
Pinky
- Original Message -
From:
Marilyn Kleidon
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 7:18
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby
Sleep
I totally agree with both Darren and Pinky as
I am sure most everyone on the list does. However if you go to the Forums
on that website, you see a whole other experience. It seems many new
mothers have a very unrealistic expectation about being a mother, and not
much has changed in 30 years of the expectations of many men. Of course
these expectations are reinforced by family and friends.
The sad thing that seems to be hitting
me over the head as I work on the postnatal ward is that I think many
women are latently (is that the right word) depressed: I mean just
marginally below the surface of true clinical depression. And so it
doesn't take much to tip them over the edge of not coping. They are not
happy, they are barely coping with life, in short they are doing it tough.
Maybe I am over reacting, I hope so. AndI don't think a mental
health referral would help any more than a sleep baby sleep program.
HoweverI do think these baby sleep marketeers are taking advantage
of a climate of unhappiness.
marilyn
- Original Message -
From:
Darren Sunn
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 8:21
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep
Baby Sleep
I agree with
Pinky,
Sleep managment masqurades as
many forms (controlled crying etc.)
There exits undue pressure
not only from your own family but from relatives and friends to
implement some form of sleep modification. Especially when bith of you
have had no sleep for days , your moody and feeling
distressed.
Our beautiful child is 12
months now and he recently went through a 2 week period of waking every
hour. Needless to say we spent a lot of time supporting each other and I
explained to my work collegues that i wasn't going to be much use..(ha
ha).
That was only a few weeks
back and now he is sleeping with only one or 2 wakes a night.(ps he does
sleep with us also).
He did have his molars
comming through and I definately believe they effected his
sleeping patterns.
Babies and their families
need support and reassurance, not systems of behaviour
modification.
Darren
- Original Message -
From:
Pinky McKay
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 9:06
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep
Baby Sleep
YUk!!!
Sounds cruel and a rip off to me - have
you seen the Australian association of Infant mental health policy on
controlled crying (settling techniques included) -I have a copy if
anyone wants to email me offlist (so I can attach). I will try and get
it onto my website soon.
BTW - they recommend my books as an
alternative to CC.
I had a mum at my infant massage class
last week - with a beautiful 3 month old - very upset and confused as
her MCH had told her her baby a) should be sleepinglonger (and
alone - she co-sleeps) b) she shouldnt allow him to fall asleep in the
sling and c) if he breastfeeds to sleep this will cause insomnia as he
will wake -ALL NIGHT - seeking a breast.Thankfully there was a
wonderfully sensible mum of a seven month old whose baby had just
gently weaned off bedtime booby who was able to reinforce that the
baby knows what it is ready for - without force. We talked about
how mothers can nurture themselves/ pressures/ make life
simpleretc -then I gave homework - a "jarmy/ cocoonday" -
feedback was very positive about how much they struggled with pressure
to be superwoman - and how much it really didnt matter that they le
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
d as I work on the postnatal ward is that I think many
women are latently (is that the right word) depressed: I mean just
marginally below the surface of true clinical depression. And so it
doesn't take much to tip them over the edge of not coping. They are not
happy, they are barely coping with life, in short they are doing it tough.
Maybe I am over reacting, I hope so. AndI don't think a mental
health referral would help any more than a sleep baby sleep program.
HoweverI do think these baby sleep marketeers are taking advantage
of a climate of unhappiness.
marilyn
- Original Message -
From:
Darren Sunn
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 8:21
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep
Baby Sleep
I agree with
Pinky,
Sleep managment masqurades as
many forms (controlled crying etc.)
There exits undue pressure
not only from your own family but from relatives and friends to
implement some form of sleep modification. Especially when bith of you
have had no sleep for days , your moody and feeling
distressed.
Our beautiful child is 12
months now and he recently went through a 2 week period of waking every
hour. Needless to say we spent a lot of time supporting each other and I
explained to my work collegues that i wasn't going to be much use..(ha
ha).
That was only a few weeks
back and now he is sleeping with only one or 2 wakes a night.(ps he does
sleep with us also).
He did have his molars
comming through and I definately believe they effected his
sleeping patterns.
Babies and their families
need support and reassurance, not systems of behaviour
modification.
Darren
- Original Message -
From:
Pinky McKay
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 9:06
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep
Baby Sleep
YUk!!!
Sounds cruel and a rip off to me - have
you seen the Australian association of Infant mental health policy on
controlled crying (settling techniques included) -I have a copy if
anyone wants to email me offlist (so I can attach). I will try and get
it onto my website soon.
BTW - they recommend my books as an
alternative to CC.
I had a mum at my infant massage class
last week - with a beautiful 3 month old - very upset and confused as
her MCH had told her her baby a) should be sleepinglonger (and
alone - she co-sleeps) b) she shouldnt allow him to fall asleep in the
sling and c) if he breastfeeds to sleep this will cause insomnia as he
will wake -ALL NIGHT - seeking a breast.Thankfully there was a
wonderfully sensible mum of a seven month old whose baby had just
gently weaned off bedtime booby who was able to reinforce that the
baby knows what it is ready for - without force. We talked about
how mothers can nurture themselves/ pressures/ make life
simpleretc -then I gave homework - a "jarmy/ cocoonday" -
feedback was very positive about how much they struggled with pressure
to be superwoman - and how much it really didnt matter that they left
the dishes etc - it was all still there or not important once they did
getback into things.
I am sure many of these mums are just
very pressured that their babies are not behaving "properly"
-there is a lot of performance anxiety rather than actual
exhaustion, and if exhaustion is the case - why? What is the mother
trying to do as well as mother and bond with her baby? -especially
when many of these bubs are less than 6 weeks old - the traditional
lying in time. Could the mother have PND and all theblame is being
laid on the baby? How can the mum nurture herself and could she try
some gentle techniques to help baby sleep a bit "better" - ie massage/
relaxation bath/ 'topup feed' last thing before she goes to bed
-without waking baby(breastmilk if bub is breastfed), minimising
stimulation at bedtime - how many mums have TV on -this is a
bombardmernt of new-born senses? Examine mums diet - ??high in
salicylates/ caffeine etcwhich could make bub restless. ?Food
intolerance.
There are lots of simple commonsense
things that should be passed on mother
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep
YUk!!! Sounds cruel and a rip off to me - have you seen the Australian association of Infant mental health policy on controlled crying (settling techniques included) -I have a copy if anyone wants to email me offlist (so I can attach). I will try and get it onto my website soon. BTW - they recommend my books as an alternative to CC. I had a mum at my infant massage class last week - with a beautiful 3 month old - very upset and confused as her MCH had told her her baby a) should be sleepinglonger (and alone - she co-sleeps) b) she shouldnt allow him to fall asleep in the sling and c) if he breastfeeds to sleep this will cause insomnia as he will wake -ALL NIGHT - seeking a breast.Thankfully there was a wonderfully sensible mum of a seven month old whose baby had just gently weaned off bedtime booby who was able to reinforce that the baby knows what it is ready for - without force. We talked about how mothers can nurture themselves/ pressures/ make life simpleretc -then I gave homework - a "jarmy/ cocoonday" - feedback was very positive about how much they struggled with pressure to be superwoman - and how much it really didnt matter that they left the dishes etc - it was all still there or not important once they did getback into things. I am sure many of these mums are just very pressured that their babies are not behaving "properly" -there is a lot of performance anxiety rather than actual exhaustion, and if exhaustion is the case - why? What is the mother trying to do as well as mother and bond with her baby? -especially when many of these bubs are less than 6 weeks old - the traditional lying in time. Could the mother have PND and all theblame is being laid on the baby? How can the mum nurture herself and could she try some gentle techniques to help baby sleep a bit "better" - ie massage/ relaxation bath/ 'topup feed' last thing before she goes to bed -without waking baby(breastmilk if bub is breastfed), minimising stimulation at bedtime - how many mums have TV on -this is a bombardmernt of new-born senses? Examine mums diet - ??high in salicylates/ caffeine etcwhich could make bub restless. ?Food intolerance. There are lots of simple commonsense things that should be passed on mother to mother without charging $500 - It really shows that not only birth and breastfeeding, but infant sleep management is medicalised as well - Im not having a go at LCs here -I just feel we can see things as problematic when it should all be a natural process; I feel the need for breastfeeding interventionis real butlikelydue toissues surrounding birth - ?? are all these things a follow-on from managed birth -are we all that desperate for control? - and, would surrendering at birth help mothers surrender to the natural forces of mothering? I believe it would. Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: hplerchbacher To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 9:47 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Sleep Baby Sleep Dear Wise Listers, Has anyone heard of this program called "Sleep Baby Sleep". One of the woman emailed someone and had quote of this superb course to positive routine management for $500. Please check out the website www.sleepbabysleep.net I told the woman and her husband to utilise local support instead. Is this a scam? Ping ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.490 / Virus Database: 289 - Release Date: 16/06/2003
Re: [ozmidwifery] do prems have prems?
No medical info but my cousin who was born at 30 weeks had two full term boys and happy births. She didnt seem to have any fears about her own pregnancies or births and was healthy throughout. Pinky - Original Message - From: Julie Garratt To: Ozmid Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 9:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] do prems have prems? Greetings wise people, I'm hoping that someone can answer my question, One of the women that I'm involved with was born three months premature as was her brother. She seems convinced that her first baby is going to come early. My Question is, If you were a prem baby does it mean that you have a higher chance of having aprem baby your self? I need to support her and I cant find any evidence or information on this anywhere. Thankyou in anticipation, Julie'',
Re: [ozmidwifery] nappy rash
I remember my mum feeding my baby sister "milk of magnesium" for "wind" . Another oldie but goodyto help with thenappy "environment" - and minimise excoriation is some vinegar in the final rinse - obviously cloth nappies -but sunshine and fresh air on the bum would be preferable than nappies at all. and certainly check for fungal infection. Pinky - Original Message - From: Rhonda To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] nappy rash Get a bottle of Fluid Magnesium from the Chemist and add about 5 ml to drinks or milk - twice a day it neutralises the acid and prevents the rash while teething. My Boy used to scream with oain he was so bad and it totally fixed him. A very old one from my mother inlaw! Safe for all ages! Doesn't give them the runs either - only give a tiny bit but it is like a mirracle. So fast working - you will of course need to treat the rash but the fluid magnesium prevents it happening or getting worse. Or Fluid of Magnesium Regards Rhonda. ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, 03 April 2003 06:23:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] nappy rash Hi, not especially mid related - but - if anybody has any brilliant ideas for this next prob it would be great. All of my babies have pretty healthy bums, but when they are teething have the most shocking nappy rash. My 23 month old is currently suffering, not potty trained yet - but the poor thing has tiny bits of flesh coming off at times. Looks like somebody used super-dooper sandpaper!!We cope with zinc cream,Vit E cream, paw-paw ointment, sunshine, and panadol when he's really distraught. Anything else we can use??Cheryl_MSN Instant Messenger now available on Australian mobile phones.Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_messenger.asp--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.. IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here image/gif
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sex Handout
If you are silent, your mouth will be shut so he will not be able to "engage" Pinky - Original Message - From: Judy Chapman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sex Handout I get the impression that if you remain silent when he engages in 'unusual practices' that he falls asleep straight away!! A likely story. Silence means 'yes, keep going' doesn't it? The 4th paragraph could be straight out of the Koran too (except for the rollers and face cream bit). My Mum certainly never taught me any of that stuff in the early 70's, Thankfully. Cheers Judy Subject: [ozmidwifery] Sex Handout Hi Everyone I'm working on a handout on sexuality for my classes at the moment - Would you mind proof reading it for me? This is an actual extract from a sex education school textbook for girls, printed in the early 60's in the UK, written by a woman! "When retiring to the bedroom, prepare yourself for bed as promptly as possible. Whilst feminine hygiene is of the utmost importance, your tired husband does not want to queue for the bathroom, as he would have to do for his train. But remember to look your best when going to bed. Try to achieve a look that is welcoming without being obvious. If you need to apply face-cream or hair-rollers wait until he is asleep as this can be shocking to a man last thing at night. When it comes to the possibility of intimate relations with your husband it is important to remember your marriage vows and in particular your commitment to obey him. If he feels that he needs to sleep immediately then so be it. In all things be led by your husband's wishes; do not pressure him in any way to stimulate intimacy. Should your husband suggest congress then agree humbly all the while being mindful that a man's satisfaction is more important than a woman's. When he reaches his moment of fulfilment a small moan from yourself is encouraging to him and quite sufficient to indicate any enjoyment that you may have had. Should your husband suggest any of the more unusual practices be obedient and uncomplaining but register any reluctance by remaining silent. It is likely that your husband will then fall promptly asleep so adjust your clothing, freshen up and apply your night-time face and hair care products. You may then set the alarm so that you can arise shortly before him in the morning. This will enable you to have his morning cup of tea ready when he awakes." MSN Instant Messenger now available on Australian mobile phones. Find our more. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sex Handout
Title: I Don't Think So ... I must remember the small "moan" he he he Pinky - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:24 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Sex Handout Hi Everyone Im working on a handout on sexuality for my classes at the moment Would you mind proof reading it for me? This is an actual extract from a sex education school textbook for girls, printed in the early 60's in the UK, written by a woman! "When retiring to the bedroom, prepare yourself for bed as promptly as possible. Whilst feminine hygiene is of the utmost importance, your tired husband does not want to queue for the bathroom, as he would have to do for his train. But remember to look your best when going to bed. Try to achieve a look that is welcoming without being obvious. If you need to apply face-cream or hair-rollers wait until he is asleep as this can be shocking to a man last thing at night. When it comes to the possibility of intimate relations with your husband it is important to remember your marriage vows and in particular your commitment to obey him. If he feels that he needs to sleep immediately then so be it. In all things be led by your husband's wishes; do not pressure him in any way to stimulate intimacy. Should your husband suggest congress then agree humbly all the while being mindful that a man's satisfaction is more important than a woman's. When he reaches his moment of fulfilment a small moan from yourself is encouraging to him and quite sufficient to indicate any enjoyment that you may have had. Should your husband suggest any of the more unusual practices be obedient and uncomplaining but register any reluctance by remaining silent. It is likely that your husband will then fall promptly asleep so adjust your clothing, freshen up and apply your night-time face and hair care products. You may then set the alarm so that you can arise shortly before him in the morning. This will enable you to have his morning cup of tea ready when he awakes."
Re: [ozmidwifery] Recurring Severe Blocked Duct - Help for Me
hI JO Margaret Callaghan works in your area -brilliant, gentle LC and long time breastfeeder (former La leche league leader) -state your position and she will certainly not tell you to wean. her phone number is 5678 1038 mobile - 0418 854 498 Best wishes, Pinky - From: Jo Slamen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Midwifery List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 11:16 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Recurring Severe Blocked Duct - Help for Me Dear List, I have suffered 2x weekly since early March with a blocked duct/s in the right breast - exactly the same segment each time. The first time this month I was interstate in Tas, and it wasn't resolving after 36 hrs (I had no fever) so saw a GP who didn't ask any symptoms, prescribed amoxyll and on enquiring baby's age (11 mos) told me to wean as now there was no benefit to bf-ing. (What a guy!) Also had ultrasound and swallowed cider vinegar and resolved within the next 24 hours. This has since been happening disturbingly regularly and resolving in around 24 hours or just over each time. Getting to be a real pain - literally and figuratively - spending lots of time in pain, and massaging, baby to breast, expressing, heat packs, cold packs - really takes the time out of the day when it happens. I am committed to bf-ing for at least 24 months (bf-ed no. 1 son for 22) and wondered if I need medical help or if I need LC help from someone who will appreciate/support my desire to continue bf-ing rather than encouraging to wean - I would be somewhat distraught if weaning were to occur just yet (baby will be 1 on Monday). I live in Melbourne (Elsternwick) and wondered if there was someone who could be recommended as sympathetic to my adherence to the WHO recommendations! This doesn't seem to be mastitis (which I have had with first baby) - I don't feel generally unwell or have a fever - I guess would progress to same if not corrected?? Sorry to bag on... Jo Slamen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Interesting website
what a lovely site, Carolyn, Thanks Pinky - Original Message - From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Birthnews [EMAIL PROTECTED]; C-aware [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 8:16 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Interesting website Another fascinating website, http://MilkOfHumanKindness.org warmly, Carolyn Hastie I am only one; but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I can do something. I will not refuse to do the something I can do. Helen Keller 1880-1968, Author and Lecturer Heartlogic Consultancy Leaders in personal mastery and healthy organisational change Phone +61 2 4389 3919 Fax +61 2 4388 6819 Mobile 0418 428 430 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] PO Box 5405 Chittaway Bay NSW 2261 Australia -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] To Lieve.
Ths is lovely Rhonda - and isnt wee Lars touching so many souls, - Strength to you, Lieve with a few more tears, Pinky - Original Message - From: Rhonda To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 10:16 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] To Lieve. Lieve - perhaps you can give this toLars' parents when the time is right. You have givenhim so much in sharing his story with so many - his life has touched so many that he has had a truely blessed life. Love to you Rhonda. For Lars. The time you spend, the things you do, They do not last and this is true. The love you have and the ones you touch, That is where it means so much. A little baby not so old was born unto this world were told. His heart is weak - his soul so strong, Not destined for this world too long. His name is Lars - far away he lies, Alive and happy until he dies. When he decides to move along. The love for him will linger on. In his short visit you should know, His plight caused many tears to flow, Warm tears of love to help him grow. This war torn world so full of hate is not the place to be. For one so special and so loved, his parents brave as they can be, Will say goodbye but they must know, The memory of him will never evergo. People whom they will never know will think of him at times. For years to come his life will touch ever so many lives. The time you spend, the things you do, They do not last but this is true. The souls you touch, they mean a lot, What a wonderful life he really got. Rhonda Polley March 2003 IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here image/gif
Re: [ozmidwifery] When birth and death come together
Hugs to you too Lynne, you ladies are real angels, Pinky - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] When birth and death come together Dear Lieve I was only this morning at a beautiful birth of a stillborn baby girl - perfect in every way, looking so much like her mother! How things happen at this time are crucial for the parents - they have SO MUCH to do - in their hearts, their souls, their lives, their families. a word, an action can have such an influence on this for them. I am a midwife and this is part of life - and death - I am close to you at this time, as are the parents I was with this morning. I do not have the words at this time, but I feel so much for this family - so far away in distance, but so close in thought and heart and life! Love to you and them - Lynne - Original Message - From: Lieve Huybrechts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 8:48 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] When birth and death come together Dear friends, Thank you all for the nice replys and warmfull thoughts for me and the family. I will tell you now what followed. Monday morning Lars was still very alive and alert. He drank several times during the night, pied, made stools, had the hickup, was sneezing, in one word, he did all a healthy child does. The mother hardly dared to close her eyes to sleep, afraid of missing some moments. The baby never left the arms of his parents. So in the morning we had a talk. We all had questions about how it will continue, how much time do we have, how will he die... So the parents decided to go to the university hospital to have an ultrasound of the heart. They made clear to the docter that they just wanted an ultrasound and then return home to decide what options were for them. The ultrasound confirmed the previous diagnosis: no left part of the heart, severe of the aorta and when the ductus of Botalli closes, the baby will go in acidosis, coma and die. They predicted 24 to 48 hours to live. The familie came home again. They made pictures and video of the baby. Lars never left their arms. They called some friends and told them about the birth and had visitors. But also we did a lot of talking, laughing and crying. 24 hours passed, 48 hours passed. Lars is now more then 72 hours and still a perfect child. He had his first bath today together with his mother and enjoyed it a lot. He is feeding well, has already breastfeeding stools and is very alert. He beated all the prognoses about lifetime. So we don't know anything about how long. Emotions are strange, we know there is no hope for long time, but we don't know how long. The parents enjoy the baby, but also fear the moment they have to let him go. We are prepared, but it's so absurd when you see Lars, he is so alive. The parents hoped that he would live long enough to see his eyes open, the mother hoped for some moments on the breast. Now they got already so much. They feel privileged and very happy, but grieve is so close. Laughter and tears go hand in hand. What will the futur bring??? Warm greetings Lieve -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Australian Women speak
Hi all, take a look at the program for "Australian Women Speak" at http://www.osw.dpmc.gov.au/index.html Of course there are lots of worthy wonderful - "achieving" women speaking about all sorts of grand careers etc but the olny slight acknowledgement of motherhood is Claudia Keech - (from Motherinc) talking about mothers and work. Where are the REAL practising mothers and women who supprt these mothers - or do they not count?? Are they not important enough. What about the status of ALL women - birthing women -most mothers (ie except adoptive mothers) , mothers with babies/ young children? What about the womens' work of mothering?? Not just balancing "real" (ie paid) work. I am a bit hot under the collar here -I just discovered this conference - its happening on the31 March and 1st April so I doubt there is any chance to alter things. But perhaps i will email AManda Vanstone -I believe mothering and birthing ARE political issues - as Sheila says -(cant remember the exact quote) the way a society treats its birthing women is a reflection of that culture. Pinky
Re: [ozmidwifery] Donations for Int'l Midwives Day.
Hi Jodie -I have a posting on my website forum from a mum who is no 4 on your birthcentre list -so may miss out, Go girrls! Sounds wonderful Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: Jodie Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 1:38 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Donations for Int'l Midwives Day. To all advocates of birth reform in the Brisbane and greater region, Friends of the Birth Centre are appealing for items of baby clothing in small sizes for their airing our laundry installation in King George Square on May 5, 2003. Most desirable are newborn singlets, wondersuits, bodysuits, booties, bonnets, cardigans, mittens - anything small that gets the ahhh factor. Condition is irrelevant - in fact, donors can feel free to decorate their items if they desire. With every donation we request enough pegs to hang those donated items on the clothes line. Then, come and see the display in King George Square on International Midwives Day/Labour Day and find your items in the crowd. We aspire to locate up to 4000 items of baby clothing to hang on our washing lines on the day - one item for every baby excluded from being born at the RWH birth centre due to limited places and resources since 1995. It is our goal to promote birth centres and the NMAP by providing a poignant symbollic visual reference for the demand for childbirth choices in the Brisbane region. Hills Industries limited have generously offered their support for our event by lending us their iconic clotheslines. B105 radio host Robin Bailey will be our spokesperson on the day. We hope to make a great day of it, and share our message with the rest of Queensland. * Local donations can be delivered to any one of many drop-off points around Brisbane. Please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more information. Out of town donations, mail to: Friends of the Birth Centre PO Box 93 Grange, Qld, 4051 Cash/cheque donations and offers to volunteer for the event also gratefully accepted. All likeminded organisations are welcome to have a stall at our event. A $50 fee secures a trestle table and chairs. Deadline for collection is April 30. ** Please start spreading the word and feel free to circulate this email to any supportive people you know. We have a big job ahead of us and only six weeks to deadline! Jodie Miller Friends of the Birth Centre http://www.fbc.org.au (h) (07) 3300 0135 (m) 0409 890 194 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] cellulitus
Hi any suggestions _I have a dear friend whose daughter -second baby now about 5 months has had recurrent cellulitus of the breasts for teh past few months - much pain -several re-admissions to hosp - she has been an extremely sick young lady - was still breastfeeding21/2 year old (now 3) when baby was born a few weeks early. Its a bit difficult to get a total story -they live in WA -but I said I would ask for some expert help - mum is under a lot of stress apart from the illness- hubby is aman child with no job-he is obviously concerned but is very much under the influence of his bottlefeeding mother - he went out and bougfht a bottle and formula one night whilst they were staying at his mothers - and gave it to this bub with a family hist of severe allergy. Hubby also insisted on toddlerbeing abruptly weaned -or he would take her away from teh mother -I am sure stress is not helping this lass recover and toddler is reacting with massive tantrums (any wonder??) I suspectmum is either now so run down or also has PND andshe simply doesnt resist for peace sake.She wants to continue breastfeeding even if baby starts solids and has a few comp feeds. at last conversation he was having an occasional comp of a goat milk formula Anyway - stress aside -any suggestions??? the mum has been on almost continuous antibiotics for months (some IV), has hadpathology done, has large breasts, has seen an LC with help re positioning, and is having treatment with a naturopath also. Pinky
Re: [ozmidwifery] cellulitus
Hi Denise -is Rebecca an LC?? Do you have contact details? I am simply passing on all wisdom, Pinky - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] cellulitus Dear Pinky I recommend your firend talk with Rebecca Glover in Perth whom I take the liberty to forward this email to Denise H - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 2:46 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] cellulitus Hi any suggestions _I have a dear friend whose daughter -second baby now about 5 months has had recurrent cellulitus of the breasts for teh past few months - much pain -several re-admissions to hosp - she has been an extremely sick young lady - was still breastfeeding21/2 year old (now 3) when baby was born a few weeks early. Its a bit difficult to get a total story -they live in WA -but I said I would ask for some expert help - mum is under a lot of stress apart from the illness- hubby is aman child with no job-he is obviously concerned but is very much under the influence of his bottlefeeding mother - he went out and bougfht a bottle and formula one night whilst they were staying at his mothers - and gave it to this bub with a family hist of severe allergy. Hubby also insisted on toddlerbeing abruptly weaned -or he would take her away from teh mother -I am sure stress is not helping this lass recover and toddler is reacting with massive tantrums (any wonder??) I suspectmum is either now so run down or also has PND andshe simply doesnt resist for peace sake.She wants to continue breastfeeding even if baby starts solids and has a few comp feeds. at last conversation he was having an occasional comp of a goat milk formula Anyway - stress aside -any suggestions??? the mum has been on almost continuous antibiotics for months (some IV), has hadpathology done, has large breasts, has seen an LC with help re positioning, and is having treatment with a naturopath also. Pinky
Re: [ozmidwifery] bonus babies
Title: Message Yes Denise - as I announced we were having a baby - my (then) 15 and 17 year olds looked from me to their father and in unison said "you dont STILL do IT???" Pinky - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 4:53 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] bonus babies Pinky You are so right !and then there is the reaction of teenagers to parents getting pregnant which means they are publicly known as still doing "it", when really only young people have those urges! and rights to doing "it"! I remember the reaction when a friend's mother became pregnant when I went to high school in the swinging 60's which is the dark ages now!!Denise - Original Message ----- From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] bonus babies She sounds like a BF mum - didnt know what ABA stood for so I have filled her in - and told her my local ladies are a lovely bunch. I guess we bonus baby mums are a bit thin on the ground but I have also suggested perhaps her role is to be a wise woman just modelling her wisdom with her baby - and shared a few laughs about the situations you can be in as an "older" mum with big kids as well - like the time I pulled out after "chatting" to an innocent first timer at school drop off (our kids were only 5)-only to notice the brown bottle rolling around my car floor - obviously in full view as we spoke. These mums were still at the stage where they were so certain that their good mothering would mean THEIR kids would never kiss boys/ girls/ have sex/ drink alcohol etc (Let alone a few other things that they probably did themselves when they were young!) a teenager had borrowed my car the night before! Maybe I could have said "I do get thirsty in the mornings". It really is a different perspective and I think for older mums in this situation it can be a bigger adjustment than a first time baby - there is generally NO excitement or support from your friends (This woman's friends all told her the thought of being pregnant makes me want to vomit) yet you still undergo massive lifestyle changes/ changes of pace, (not to mention the toll on an aging body) but have to keep up with teenagers/ older kids. Of course there are bonuses and it is a precious experience but the adjustment can be very tough and isolating,so it is nice if you can meet others who really do "get it" . Pinky - Original Message - From: Duncan Pettman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 11:06 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] bonus babies what about the Australian Breastfeeding Assoc Pinky??? Even if she isnt feeing, they are a great support for mums of any age Cheers (and biased) Tina new student midwife ABA counsellor -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pinky McKaySent: Tuesday, 18 March 2003 9:51 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] bonus babies I have an email from a mum of a bonus baby (her 25 year old daughter has a baby 6 weeks younger) who is a bit islolated - as tends to happen sometimes -her "old" friends thought she was crazy to have this baby and have drifted away and she feels -not much in common with young mums in mums groups -anyone here on central coast NSW with any suggestions/ contacts/ resources? Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] When birth and death come together
Hi Lieve, You are an angel to this family. I have a wee story that may be of comfort - it was read at my brothers second child's funeral -their first baby died suddenly (misdiagnosed intersuception) at 6 months and their second child (born the same hour as my daughter) was tragically killed at twenty. My thoughts and prayers are with you and the family of wee Lars. The Child God Lent I'll lend you for a little time a child of mine, God said, For you to love the while he lives, and mourn for when he's dead. It may be six or seven years, or twentytwo or three, but will you til I call him back, take care of him for me? He'll bring his charms to gladden you and should his stay be brief, you'll have his lovely memories as solace for your grief. I cannot promise he will stay, since all from earth return, But there are lessons taught down there I wish this child to learn. And, from the throngs that crowd lifes lanes I have selected you, I've looked the wide world over in my search for teachers true, Nor, will you give him all your love, nor think the labour vain, Nor hate me when I come to call to take him back again? I fancied that I heard them say, Dear Lord, Thy will be done; For all the joy Thy child shall bring, the risk of grief we'll run, We'll shelter him with tenderness; we'll love him while we may, And, for the happiness we've known, forever grateful stay, But should the angels call for him much sooner than we've planned, We'll brave the bitter grief that comes and try to understand. Love and hugs to you all, Pinky - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 11:13 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] When birth and death come together Dear Lieve It seems to me that you are being a wonderful support to the parents. They are very fortunate to have such a wonderfully caring and sensitive midwife. The uncertainty mixed with heartache must be very difficult for you all and I imagine entertaining fantasies that the diagnosis could somehow be wrong, but the ultrasound has re-confirmed the diagnosis for you. From what you have described there is no hope for this baby to live a long and happy future - staying in the moment with the parents and gently supporting them as they gradually say goodbye to their baby is the only answer I can come up with for you for your question of what will become in the future. I hope this helps you Lieve - does it? A warm hug to you as you walk this sad pathway with the parents - Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224 T. (02) 9544 6441 F (02) 9544 9257 M. 0401 265 530 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marilyn Kleidon Sent: Friday, 21 March 2003 3:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] When birth and death come together Dear Lieve: I am wordless, but my heart goes out to you and Lars and his family. marilyn - Original Message - From: Lieve Huybrechts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 2:48 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] When birth and death come together Dear friends, Thank you all for the nice replys and warmfull thoughts for me and the family. I will tell you now what followed. Monday morning Lars was still very alive and alert. He drank several times during the night, pied, made stools, had the hickup, was sneezing, in one word, he did all a healthy child does. The mother hardly dared to close her eyes to sleep, afraid of missing some moments. The baby never left the arms of his parents. So in the morning we had a talk. We all had questions about how it will continue, how much time do we have, how will he die... So the parents decided to go to the university hospital to have an ultrasound of the heart. They made clear to the docter that they just wanted an ultrasound and then return home to decide what options were for them. The ultrasound confirmed the previous diagnosis: no left part of the heart, severe of the aorta and when the ductus of Botalli closes, the baby will go in acidosis, coma and die. They predicted 24 to 48 hours to live. The familie came home again. They made pictures and video of the baby. Lars never left their arms. They called some friends and told them about the birth and had visitors. But also we did a lot of talking, laughing and crying. 24 hours passed, 48 hours passed. Lars is now more then 72 hours and still a perfect child. He had his first bath today together with his mother and enjoyed it a lot. He is feeding well, has already breastfeeding stools and is very alert. He beated all the prognoses about lifetime. So we don't know anything about how long. Emotions are strange, we know there is no hope for long time, but we don't know how long. The
Re: [ozmidwifery] When birth and death come together
sorry that should be now will you give him all your love Pinky - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] When birth and death come together Hi Lieve, You are an angel to this family. I have a wee story that may be of comfort - it was read at my brothers second child's funeral -their first baby died suddenly (misdiagnosed intersuception) at 6 months and their second child (born the same hour as my daughter) was tragically killed at twenty. My thoughts and prayers are with you and the family of wee Lars. The Child God Lent I'll lend you for a little time a child of mine, God said, For you to love the while he lives, and mourn for when he's dead. It may be six or seven years, or twentytwo or three, but will you til I call him back, take care of him for me? He'll bring his charms to gladden you and should his stay be brief, you'll have his lovely memories as solace for your grief. I cannot promise he will stay, since all from earth return, But there are lessons taught down there I wish this child to learn. And, from the throngs that crowd lifes lanes I have selected you, I've looked the wide world over in my search for teachers true, Nor, will you give him all your love, nor think the labour vain, Nor hate me when I come to call to take him back again? I fancied that I heard them say, Dear Lord, Thy will be done; For all the joy Thy child shall bring, the risk of grief we'll run, We'll shelter him with tenderness; we'll love him while we may, And, for the happiness we've known, forever grateful stay, But should the angels call for him much sooner than we've planned, We'll brave the bitter grief that comes and try to understand. Love and hugs to you all, Pinky - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 11:13 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] When birth and death come together Dear Lieve It seems to me that you are being a wonderful support to the parents. They are very fortunate to have such a wonderfully caring and sensitive midwife. The uncertainty mixed with heartache must be very difficult for you all and I imagine entertaining fantasies that the diagnosis could somehow be wrong, but the ultrasound has re-confirmed the diagnosis for you. From what you have described there is no hope for this baby to live a long and happy future - staying in the moment with the parents and gently supporting them as they gradually say goodbye to their baby is the only answer I can come up with for you for your question of what will become in the future. I hope this helps you Lieve - does it? A warm hug to you as you walk this sad pathway with the parents - Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224 T. (02) 9544 6441 F (02) 9544 9257 M. 0401 265 530 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marilyn Kleidon Sent: Friday, 21 March 2003 3:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] When birth and death come together Dear Lieve: I am wordless, but my heart goes out to you and Lars and his family. marilyn - Original Message - From: Lieve Huybrechts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 2:48 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] When birth and death come together Dear friends, Thank you all for the nice replys and warmfull thoughts for me and the family. I will tell you now what followed. Monday morning Lars was still very alive and alert. He drank several times during the night, pied, made stools, had the hickup, was sneezing, in one word, he did all a healthy child does. The mother hardly dared to close her eyes to sleep, afraid of missing some moments. The baby never left the arms of his parents. So in the morning we had a talk. We all had questions about how it will continue, how much time do we have, how will he die... So the parents decided to go to the university hospital to have an ultrasound of the heart. They made clear to the docter that they just wanted an ultrasound and then return home to decide what options were for them. The ultrasound confirmed the previous diagnosis: no left part of the heart, severe of the aorta and when the ductus of Botalli closes, the baby will go in acidosis, coma and die. They predicted 24 to 48 hours to live. The familie came home again. They made pictures and video of the baby. Lars never left their arms. They called some friends and told them about the birth and had visitors. But also we did a lot of talking, laughing and crying. 24 hours passed, 48 hours passed. Lars is now more then 72 hours and still
[ozmidwifery] bonus babies
I have an email from a mum of a bonus baby (her 25 year old daughter has a baby 6 weeks younger) who is a bit islolated - as tends to happen sometimes -her "old" friends thought she was crazy to have this baby and have drifted away and she feels -not much in common with young mums in mums groups -anyone here on central coast NSW with any suggestions/ contacts/ resources? Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com
[ozmidwifery] Alesia -Obedience/ failure to sleep
Me neither Alesia,had a Dad there who counts to five before he smacks his three year old =() so now only usually needs to count to three before he gets =obedience!!! (damn, I missed out there too!!)Another dad was from Sweden where smacking has been illegal for twenty =years.Makes for very interesting discussion.Some of the mums come along especially for the Dads to be softened up re =expectations. The Dads actually really enjoy themselves -dont seem to =know they are being "worked over."Pinky
Re: [ozmidwifery] failure to sleep through the night!!!
have been craving appl;es - my bodu must know! Re islolation/ performance anxiety -Im doing a toddler workshop today -and again these dear parents are all wanting to know how to make their children - (from about 14 months) "obey". Hopefully they come away more confident about the range of 'normal' . This pressure stuff keeps happening and none of thebaby training helps because even if it "works" (for the parents) at teh time, it gives nothing for later except a "fix it" mentality. Please can you contact me off listRhonda -I am doing a column for PRactical Parenting (YES!!! am slipping in some of this stuff!! real failings and feelings as well as the nice stuff) I would love to "interview" you. Pinky - Original Message - From: Rhonda To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] "failure to sleep through the night"!!! Hi Pinky, Eat lots of apples too they will help to cleanse your system a bit. Hope all goes well for you. What you are saying about the isolation is so very true and it has got to a point where people are too afraid to offer help - A - just in case the Mother feels that you think she is not coping - don't want to offend her. B - Just in case she is in so much need of help that you can't help enough C- To interfere with things may look rude. The compasion and support mothers used to give each other is gone The understanding is not there - it is all very competative (The media has a lot to answer for here) Having the perfectly behaved toddler and a baby that sleep all night and a child who doesn't answer back is all importnant. The normal things like answering back and sibling rivalry have been pulled apart and disected and analised so much that there are so many experts who say don't smack, don't yell, don't be emotional about parenting - Don't molly codle and over cuddle - -They have forgoten to say any Do's. My mother said to me when i rang her absolutely bursting with joy - I had held my 2 week old prem baby for 10 mins (her first cuddle), I was so happy and I said - "I didn't want to put her back."My Mum's reply was, "Oh Now then - you will spoil her!" I was horrified - I was being judged as a bad mother (to spoil my child who was 2 weeks old) Ialready had guilt feeling of having to have her torn from my stomach at 27 weeks because i had failed at carrying her to term and shehad been on ventilators and close to death and was still seriously ill in NICU and then a 10 min cuddle which I didn't want to ever end was going to spoil her. How could I ever pick her up again without wondering if that was going to be too much. Then each time I sat and expressed there was a poster can't remember the exact words - it had a photo of a woman with her baby in a sling and saidhow women in Africa carry their babies on their backs and at the breast all day in slings - their babies hardly ever cry andgrow to be very secure children - How can we help our babies not to cry so much? This poster touched me and I realised at that point that no amount of cuddles could spoil a child. I would look at that and decided then that I would never leave my baby to cry itself to sleep alone. So maybe more women need to be reminded of that simple fact! Regards Rhonda. ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, March 15, 2003 17:57:21 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] "failure to sleep through the night"!!! Hi Rhonda yes you are lucky to be away from the chemicals and smog -youve got me thinking - 2 emergency hospital visits in two weeks for allergic reactions to food - I bet my whole system is overloaded -am eating veges and rice til I see an allergy spec next week. I do remember working withmothercraft nurses (actually Karitane nurses as they were called in New Zealand way back then - dont know if NZ still has them)-great help to mums. Guess its another case of economic rationalism gone silly - maybe with the help early mums wouldnt all end up in sleep schools. I just visited my daughters friend in Private hosp with new bub last week and thought how isolated she really was in her flash single room watching TV - notice on the wall announced the times to watch
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding and infant sleep patterns
Lovely Helen, Pinky - Original Message - From: Graham Helen To: The Editor Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 2:25 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding and infant sleep patterns Dear ANJ Editor I am writing to say how disappointed/disillusioned I am that the ANJ (March 2003) has reported on a research project which gives legitimacy to the idea that we should be working towards increasing the number of very young infants who sleep through the night.It is these sorts of articles which add to the confusion by mothers and midwives when trying to encourage and promote demand breastfeeding in our society. The notion that giving 1 week old babies more than 11 feeds per 24 hours could be classed as a "risk factor" requiring behaviour modification programming is appalling and couterproductive to the child's well being at a time when breastfeedingis still at the establishmentphase! Helen Cahill BN RM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Failure to sleep through the night
Absolutely brilliant response Darren - I sooo wish more parents were given this info instead of the sleep training crap. The whole myth of the "good baby" / good parent (read convenient baby/competent - or is that competitive? -parent) stuff denies the rights of the smallest dependent person -the baby. I guess we must all just keep chipping away. Pinky - Original Message - From: Darren Sunn To: Ozmidwifery Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 10:04 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Failure to sleep through the night A Grab from this article was also posted in Brisbanes Child Magazine which is very misleading to readers. I wrote a reply to the Magazine as below: Darren Sunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] 243 Lavelle Drv. Logan Village Qld. 4207 (07) 55 470 690 0412 067 916 To the Editor, I am writing in response to an article posted in your Whats News? section of your March edition under the title of Frequent Feeding Linked To Sleep Problems. I would like to disagree with comments and assertions made within this article as it implies that a child who feeds 11 times a day in the first week is a Problem child with a possible sleep disorder to follow. To suggest that a mother feed her newborn less is not only dangerous but also abusive towards the child. Ian St James-Robertson in his research suggests that with some Behaviour Program techniques, its possible to change the Childs sleeping patterns at 12 weeks. His research recognised differences in sleep behaviour and he then labelled this a sleep problem. This is akin to suggesting that babies with different coloured hair have a hair problem. Evidence shows that it is normal development to wake during the night. While it may seem attractive to control your childs sleeping patterns it is not to the benefit of the child but the adult. In the February issue of Archives of Childhood Disease, the British researchers identified high-risk infants and say the main reason why 3-month-old infants don't sleep through the night is that they are fed too often during their first week of life. Many experts would strenuously disagree that any problem exists and therefore should not be treated as a problem, including the American Academy of Paediatrics. Experts such as the AAP recommends eight to 12 breastfeedings within 24 hours, and other experts say up to 15 feedings is perfectly normal and healthy. Ian suggests that adopting a behavioural program, parents will be able to increase the likelihood that their baby sleeps through the night." Of the 600 babies studied, one-third of the babies were enrolled in a program in which their parents were assisted by a team of Advanced Practise Nurses in their homes to deliver the program. In addition to delaying feedings when the baby awoke at night, "they were asked to settle a baby judged to be asleep in a cot or similar place, and to avoid feeding or cuddling the child to sleep at night," says St. James-Roberts. At 12 weeks, there was an increase in the number of infants that slept through in the Program group compared to that of the other 2 unsupported groups. Again this result was sharply criticised due to the strategies involved and if at all real benefit would favour the infant. James McKenna, PhD, Director of the Mother- Baby Sleep Laboratory / University of Notre Dame, argues that to assume that a child should sleep through at 12 weeks is to disregard what is really normal, healthy human infant behaviour. It's akin to blaming the victim for the crime." McKenna believes that the human biological evidence suggests that babies at that age do not sleep the night - and they shouldn't. The behavioural program suggested by these researchers is in complete contradiction to what we now known as healthy for babies." In his research, McKenna found that many breast-fed babies consume up to 15 feedings in a 24-hour period -- and typically gain weight and grow faster when sleeping in the same bed with their mother. "Their average breastfeed is not only more in frequency but greater in duration," he says. "And the notion of not cuddling babies at night is ludicrous. Babies not only depend on breast milk for growth, but also more importantly, they depend on contact, touching and affection. When the natural care giving tendency of the mother is suspended by thinking that this is in the best interest of baby is extremely appalling." Nancy Wight, MD, a lactation expert and AAP spokeswoman, also maintains that infants should not be sleeping through the night well past 12 weeks. "Even at one year, a baby should be waking up if he's breastfed," she explained. "Breast milk is emptied from the stomach in about one-and-a-half hours, while formula takes about three
Re: [ozmidwifery] failure to sleep through the night!!!
You obviously dont live in Melbourne, Rhonda - fully booked "sleep schools" not only show the lack of confidence women have in their own ability, but perpetuate these feelings of inadequacy - that babies "should" behave / sleep whatever and therefore mothersmust follow these awful perescriptive regimes- While I hear from mothers who have "failed " sleep school, I alsokeep hearing from professionals who believe they are saving large numbers of families who are "falling apart" due to sleep deprivation by sending them to "sleep school" some of these babies are VERY young. I would be interested in a followup study - I am sure allmothers need support -perhaps more doulas would be an answer -not the sleep training kind! I am saddened that the maternal instinct to respond to babiesis being so clouded by these myths of the sleeping baby - and that publishers keep the myth alive. Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com I- Original Message - From: Rhonda To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] "failure to sleep through the night"!!! I guess some women listen to it all but just as well most mothers laugh at the "professionals" and complain about the nurse saying this or the dr saying that - what would they know etc. Pity that it seems to be that way - but from what I hear on the street ( at school and playgroup etc) women walk out of hospital totally confused thinking that the Nurses, Midwives and Dr's are all off a different planet and have no idea about the reality of being a parent. Not all - as there are always exceptions but many! Regards Rhonda. ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, March 14, 2003 17:28:28 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] "failure to sleep through the night"!!! I was just flicking through the latest ANF Journal before chucking it out when the title "Frequent feeding clue to disrupted infant sleep"!! It was published in the "Archives of Disease in Childhood" by M. Nikoloulou and I. St. James-Roberts. These researchers identified "at risk" infants during their first week of life which put them at risk of failing to sleep through the night at 12 weeks of age!! Talk about turn normal physiology into an abnormality. They say that babies that feed more than 11 times per day at 1 week were 2.7 times more likely not to sleep through. Duh, aren't they supposed to be feeding frequently. There is no mention of the failure to thrive rate between the "control" group and the"behaviour programgroup". This program included maximising the difference between day and night, avoinding feeding and cuddling at night and from the age of three weeks gradually delaying feeds when the baby awoke at night!! When will sense prevail. Those poor women out there, they must be so confused with nurses now taking that line. Just annoyed Jackie IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here image/gif
Re: [ozmidwifery] failure to sleep through the night!!!
Hi Rhonda yes you are lucky to be away from the chemicals and smog -youve got me thinking - 2 emergency hospital visits in two weeks for allergic reactions to food - I bet my whole system is overloaded -am eating veges and rice til I see an allergy spec next week. I do remember working withmothercraft nurses (actually Karitane nurses as they were called in New Zealand way back then - dont know if NZ still has them)-great help to mums. Guess its another case of economic rationalism gone silly - maybe with the help early mums wouldnt all end up in sleep schools. I just visited my daughters friend in Private hosp with new bub last week and thought how isolated she really was in her flash single room watching TV - notice on the wall announced the times to watch the parenting video -I guess that was done in isolation too. Perhaps that is what some mums want but by being so separate from other women how do they role model ie from more experienced mums/get a taste of sharing experiences and feelings/ how do they know their own feelings are normal? Also just realised last night that I have been taking family members to a psychiatrist for the past almost 5 years (same guy) this guy is probably a fine medical Dr but he is also director of a mother baby unit so psecialises in PND - My lightbulb moment was that not once in all this time has he asked me "how are YOU managing? What support do you have? " Makes me wonder whether mums are simply offered babytraining as a cure or whether they are actually shown how to develop a support network -and how vital this is. Pinky - Original Message - From: Rhonda To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] "failure to sleep through the night"!!! This is all since the Mothercraft nurses were taken out of the hospital system - our training was nothing like nursingand we did look at these sleep schools and see the dangers of it all. They were just sort of starting up when i was studying and welooked at times where they were and were not appropriate... and the support that parents needed and were not getting from the Health system - i found with my son even the infant welfare Nurse was hard to get to and not much help to me. The supportoften given in the hospital by the Mothercraft who did not have the nursing duties and who specialised in helping mothers to do all the things that - I was never ever shown by a nurse during my hospital stay but taught many mothers during my training and i guess many other Mothers are not told or shown these things as the nurses I worked with had no idea - I had to teach one nurse how to bath a baby (she was working there and I was the student!) Unfortunately the basic mothercraft training is not even done anymore. I guess most people I know have had me to get in their ear about how normal their kids are and how to chill out and enjoy their babies etc. And I am glad to live in the country and away from the stench of Melbourne - the smog and chemicals in the air cannot be healthy for anyone. LOL regards Rhonda. ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, March 15, 2003 14:33:45 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] "failure to sleep through the night"!!! You obviously dont live in Melbourne, Rhonda - fully booked "sleep schools" not only show the lack of confidence women have in their own ability, but perpetuate these feelings of inadequacy - that babies "should" behave / sleep whatever and therefore mothersmust follow these awful perescriptive regimes- While I hear from mothers who have "failed " sleep school, I alsokeep hearing from professionals who believe they are saving large numbers of families who are "falling apart" due to sleep deprivation by sending them to "sleep school" some of these babies are VERY young. I would be interested in a followup study - I am sure allmothers need support -perhaps more doulas would be an answer -not the sleep training kind! I am saddened that the maternal instinct to respond to babiesis being so clouded by these myths of the sleeping baby - and that publishers keep the myth alive. Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com I- Original Message - From: Rhonda To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 10:51 PM Subject: Re:
Re: [ozmidwifery] Intro Question
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Intro & Question Hi Justine This is why NMAP is vital - so we can all have the option of our ownmidwife and whatever birthplace we choose- it simply wasnt financially possible for me at the time. Pinky - Original Message - From: Justine Caines To: OzMid List Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Intro Question I too had a bonus baby -sorry cant give any advice on birth place but was told all manner of scary things re risks - a short labour -i was already in a hospital ward - labour stopped the night before on arrival as they put in an IV bung -just in case. This time, I laboured quietly in the dark before telling anyone -then asked if I could go to "delivery" and shower as I was now in labour and had just had a bowel motion and show, so went into shower and stayed there as they assumed my labour had just started. I came out when my husband and daughter arrived and I was in transition - no time for IVs or VEs or anything else - lovely birth with ten year old watching over the midwife's shoulder.Gee PinkyIsn't this why homebirth is so attractive? No need to dodge the VE etc. Homebirth is about birth on a womans terms, no complying with protocols that are not based on evidence or fitting in with organisational needs!!Hello CarolUnless your age creates an obstetric condition, it doesnt matter! Age itself is not a condition no matter how much they scare you!! I would think your body is saying it is doing quite OK by getting pregnant! Good Luck finding a midwife and remember GPs are generalists, midwives are experts in normal (and beautiful birth). Homebirth midwives who are not constrained by the system see a lot more normal, sad but true.Trust your instinct and you will birth beautifully.Justine CainesHomebirth Mum to Ruby 3, Clancy 2 and William 8 monthsand co-ordinator of Homebirth Australia
[ozmidwifery] Soy formulas
Makes your toes curl up to read the levels of Phytoestrogens likely to be absorbed by babies. Breast is definitely best!! Pinky subject: SOY FORMULAS Greetings ! It has taken eight years of effort to force action on an obvious health risk by a major Government. The United Kingdom's independent expert committee has released its findings+++Excerpt from: COMMITTEE ON TOXICITY OF CHEMICALS IN FOOD, CONSUMERPRODUCTS AND THE ENVIRONMENTREPORT ON PHYTOESTROGENS AND HEALTH "After reviewing the data and conclusions in the reportrelating to soy-based infant formula, SACN considered that there is cause forconcern about the use of soy-based infant formula. Additionally, there isneither substantive medical need for, nor health benefit arising from, the usesoy-based infant formulae".We are delighted that, nine years after New Zealand scientists asked for soy formulas to be withdrawn from sale as a Precautionary Measure (Dr Iain Robertson of the Auckland Medical School in 1994 "I can see no good reason why anyone should wish to continue with general sales of such products"), all their concerns have been vindicated. But we regret the harm that has been caused over that period because of industry and regulatory hostility to such a sensible safety measure There is more detailed information at www.soyonlineservice.co.nz Consumers in every land have a right to this knowledgeHere are links to London "Guardian" reports of UK Government findings concerning soy formulas, and plant estrogen promotions. http://search.guardian.co.uk/search97cgi/s97networkr_cgi?QueryText=SOY+FORMULASAction="">If that does not open, then go to Guardian Unlimited website and Search "SOY INFANT FORMULAS" Consumers in every land have a right to this knowledge
Re: [ozmidwifery] Intro Question
Hi Carole, congratulations!! I too had a bonus baby -sorry cant give any advice on birth place but was told all manner of scary things re risks - a short labour -i was already in ahospital ward- labour stopped the night beforeon arrival as they put in an IV bung -just in case. This time, Ilaboured quietly in the dark before telling anyone -then asked if I could go to "delivery" and shower as I was now in labour and had just had abowel motion and show, so wentinto shower and stayed there as they assumed my labour had just started. I came out when my husband and daughter arrived and I was in transition - no time for IVs or VEs or anything else -lovely birth with ten year old watching over the midwife's shoulder. Enjoy, these "bonus babes" are a real bonus!!! Pinky - Original Message - From: Carole Claxton To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 12:52 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Intro Question Hello again! I'm saying again because I used to be a member of this list a couple of years ago while doing my Master of Midwifery. I unsubscribed due to huge computer problems because once I qualified I was unable to get work in the maternity area...just as a casual which was few far between! Anyway, about me. I'm Carole Claxton..42years old a Registered Nurse/Midwife. For the past year I've been working part-time in a nursing home while being oncall for maternity work at the Base hospital. As from next week, I do have a 6 month contract for part-time work in Special Care Nursery. That I'm excited about but also nervous as I feel I have forgotten everything I learnt! I have 4 children, 1 of whom no longer lives at home I have recently discovered that I am pregnant, with what my Mum calls a "whoopsie" baby! Which leads me to my question! I have always wanted a homebirth but was always talked out of them previously by my husband (who is not around this time), and not because of any medical reasons. My GP isn't keen on the idea because of my age!! But I'd still like to consider the option get as much info as I can. So, is there a homebirth midwife in or near Toowoomba? What are the costs involved? Is my age a negative factor? Thanks for any info you can give me I look forward to being a part of this list again! Carole
Re: [ozmidwifery] Barbie's for us all!
Cute!! Yes I relate! Have been off air this week -came back from Adelaide to a crashed computer -one week out of warranty and needing a new motherboard -now rebuilt -much crap and expense later - all previous emails lost but a quiet week without a c0mputer and a greater awareness how much work we do create answering emails. Now I am flooded with enquiries etc and Catching up . Pinky - Original Message - From: Julie Garratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ozmid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 9:00 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Barbie's for us all! Hi Pinkey and all, You will appreciate this:) Julie'', Finally a Barbie I can relate to. At long last, here are some NEW Barbie dolls to coincide with her and OUR aging gracefully. These are a bit more realistic... 1. Bifocals Barbie. Comes with her own set of blended-lens fashion frames in six wild colours (half-frames too!), neck chain, and large-print editions of Vogue and Martha Stewart Living. 2. Hot Flash Barbie. Press Barbie's bellybutton and watch her face turn beet red while tiny drops of perspiration appear on her forehead. Comes with handheld fan and tiny tissues. 3. Facial Hair Barbie. As Barbie's hormone levels shift, see her whiskers grow. Available with teensy tweezers and magnifying mirror. 4. Flabby Arms Barbie. Hide Barbie's droopy triceps with these new,roomier-sleeved gowns. Good news on the tummy front, two-Muumuus with tummy-support panels are included. 5. Bunion Barbie. Years of disco dancing in stiletto heels have definitely taken their toll on Barbie's dainty arched feet. Soothe her sores with the pumice stone and plasters, then slip on soft terry mules. 6. No-More-Wrinkles Barbie. Erase those pesky crow's-feet and lip lines with a tube of Skin Sparkle-Spackle, from Barbie's own line of exclusive age-blasting cosmetics. 7. Soccer Mom Barbie. All that experience as a cheerleader is really paying off as Barbie dusts off her old high school megaphone to root for Babs and Ken, Jr. Comes with minivan in robin-egg blue or white and cooler filled with doughnut holes and fruit punch. 8. Mid-life Crisis Barbie. It's time to ditch Ken. Barbie needs a change, and Alonzo (her personal trainer) is just what the doctor ordered, along with Prozac. They're hopping in her new red Miata and heading for the Napa Valley to open a BB. Includes a real tape of Breaking Up Is Hard to Do. 9. Divorced Barbie. Sells for$ 199.99. Comes with Ken's house, Ken's car, and Ken's boat. 10. Recovery Barbie. Too many parties have finally caught up with the ultimate party girl. Now she does Twelve Steps instead of dance steps. Clean and sober, she's going to meetings religiously. Comes with a little copy of The Big Book and a six-pack of Diet Coke. 11. Post-Menopausal Barbie. This Barbie wets her pants when she sneezes, forgets where she puts things, and cries a lot. She is sick and tired of Ken sitting on the couch watching the tube, clicking through the channels. Comes with Depends and Kleenex. As a bonus this year, the book Getting In Touch with Your Inner Self is included. =End -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] preparing and supporting child sexual abuse survivors for chilbdrith
Hi Julie, a wonderful lady spoke at a NACE conf in Melb last July -Alesia Koziol will have her details ?? Have you asked at CASA? Pinky - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 5:37 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] preparing and supporting child sexual abuse survivors for chilbdrith Hi everyone, I would like to gather some insights into preparing and supporting child sexual abuse survivors for childbirth. I have had a small number of sexual abuse survivors throughout the years confide in me and ask for my support throughout their childbirth experience. I have responded sensitively to them and tried to follow my intuition when helping them, but wished I had more insights. Can you help me?? With regard to fear of the pain And any other aspects of the issue you can highlight for me? hug Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224 T. (02) 9544 6441 F (02) 9544 9257 M. 0401 265 530 email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] Today in Parliament...
A protest - Tina?? Ab-so -bloody- lutely!! I have spent the night in hosp with a severe allergic reaction so am unable to do anything much,but am thinking there will be hundreds of health pros and others at teh Carlton Crest tomorrow for the ABA workshop with Sheila-IWILL be back on deck to talk tomorrow. I know ABA dont do political stuff but somehow while everyone is in one place couldnt they allstand up for this mum?? My daughtersfriend who is due to have a baby in the next few days-and is enrolled to start a doctorate in psychology at Melb unihas been toldby her supervisors that she is under no circumstances to BRING aBABY to lectures. -these damn babies must be so disruptive -how are women meant to live their lives?? And when they are psychology lecturers who dont get the motherbaby bond what hope is there?? My daughter hastold her friend she will go with her if nec and tell them this is discrimination -no new mum needs this pressure. I must say I couldnt find the letterbox at 11days -let alone parliament house. Pinky - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Today in Parliament... In a message dated 26/02/03 4:04:22 PM AUS Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: New member for Victoria Kirsty Marshall, ( ex-aerial skier) was kicked outof Question Time with her 11 day old baby because she commencedbreastfeeding during the session. Her baby was with her because Grandma whowas supposed to be babysitting had temporarily gone missingThe reason given for her removal was twofold, apparently;1) no strangers are allowed during Question Time.2) no eating or drinking is allowed during Question Time.Oh my...Robin.Hi all if this is so.then THIS IS A TOTAL DISGRACE!!Perhaps we need to get the ABA on side and hold a breastfeeding demonstration/rally on the steps of parliment just to again highlight the negativity and discrimination mothers in our community and workplaces sufferthe govt should be setting the example here for work places in supporting women to BF their babes...yours in breastfeedingTina Pettigrew.
[ozmidwifery] Re:probiotics/ colitis
Re Probiotics: beyond my knowledge but do have a contact that may be useful - This lady works for a company that distributes probiotics -she is in Melbourne, they do quite a bit of work with several medical practitioners and are involved in some research studies. Kerry Sherwood, (03) 9431 6246 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pinky - Original Message - From: Rhonda To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 11:16 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Colitis I was so hoping someone had some real help for you. My friend in England just wrote to me in much pain and distress her colitis has flared up so badly that she has not been able to hold any solid food for about 2 weeks and was admitted to hospital over the weekend and put on a drip for dehydration as her bowels have been so swollen and so irritated that she has been bleeding and having to go every couple of hours. She first was given immodium tablets which after a full packet did not help. Now she is on iron tabs - very anaemic Steroids to settle the swelling And is pretty miserable. She did say that she has to move her possition every couple of hours so that the pressure on her bowels from the baby is not in the same place for any length of time as that makes it worse. I would love to have some wonderful cure to offer her but I have not heard of anything much yet. The only other thing is that sometimes colitis can be caused by too many of the bad bacteria in the bowel and nnot enough good ones. If this is the cause there are some good probiotic tablets available that may be worth a try. Look up either probiotics or colitis on google - I think??? Regards Rhonda. ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, February 20, 2003 12:08:38 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Colitis Hi AndreaI need some clarification on what you mean by colitis.Do you mean wind bowel pain?Then I'd suggest reducing "windy" foods in her diet.Perhaps using chamomile tea and peppermint tea and other windy helpfulthings like a warm bath, gentle abdominal massage etc.Or is it bowel irritation?Could she have an intolerance/allergy to wheat?I think the celiac society has a website.Or could the bleeding be from piles?Especially if she has varicose veins evident on her legs.If it's none of the above but she's bleeding, I'd be concerned.Could there be a blood clotting problem?hug Julie ClarkeChildbirth and Parenting EducatorTransition into Parenthood9 Withybrook PlSylvania NSW 2224T. (02) 9544 6441F (02) 9544 9257M. 0401 265 530email [EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of AndreaRobertsonSent: Wednesday, 19 February 2003 4:57 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] ColitisCan anyone help me with a problem for one of my clients: 28 weeks, 1st baby, suffering from colitis and getting worse - main symptom seems tobe rectal bleeding, which she says happens 3 times a day. Otherwise veryfit (yoga, gym, power walks daily) and healthy (very diet conscious). Fromwhat I have read, there is not much she can do - drugs are contraindicatedand the pregnancy hormones are probably exacerbating the condition, whichwill improve once the baby arrives. Any suggestions most welcome!Many thanks,Andrea-Andrea RobertsonBirth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Educatione-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]web: www.birthinternational.com--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.. IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
[ozmidwifery] mums community - Melbourne
A posting from my website forum - any Melbourne mums who are interested??or others who would like to comment on the forum -encouragement etc. Pinky www.pinky-mychild Hi Mums dads and tots! (I hope it is ok for me to post a plea to any mums in Melbourne) Im a mum, living in Melbourne, Doncaster right now (just moved back from the US for 4 years) and have a son, Joshua (nearly 3). I am interested in meeting regularly with women,men and their kids for community and fun for us and our kids. I started a similar group over 2 years ago and it was fantastic. We met, weekly, often more after we all got to know each other and bonds formed and did things that we enjoyed. Our understanding was/is that if the parents are engaged in useful work or really engaging what they want, this is best for the kids and not as "child centred". We met at homes, had "cookfest" days were we cooked or/and cleaned together,held garage sales and raised money for each other, we met at beaches, parks and had all day picnics etc. Our kids got to know each other as well. Most if not all of us, breastfed our kids (I still do), co-slept and treated our children with dignity and respect. Many parents (myself included) were pretty radical advocates of home or unschooling as well. It was not a group of "mainstream" style parenting (forgive me I cant think of a better word!) We fostered many of the principles of The Continuum Concept (see the webite its fantastic) and really believed in the wisdom and love of our children. We trust them. Implicitly. If any of this speaks to you, please email me with a brief intro and Ill answer asap. Many thanks, Noula Austin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: My T.V. Appearance
Heidi, I went to your site - your art is exquisite. Congratulations, Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: Robyn Thompson To: Scarfone Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 2:58 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] RE: My T.V. Appearance Congratulations Heidi Hope you will visit Australia to share your wonderful Art work with us. Lots of Love Robyn -Original Message-From: Scarfone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 2:16 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: My T.V. AppearanceHi All,I just want to share my 15 minutes (or less) of fame with everyone. I will be appearing on the showBody Health this Friday, February 21st on CH TV in Hamilton at 1:30pm. This show is broadcast nationally at different times, here is the listing from the website with a description of the show, thank you for your continued support of my art journey.HeidiFeb 21 - Pregnancy memoriesLEAD STORY: "PREGNANCY MEMORIES"A look at two unique and contemporary works of art which help expectant mothers preserve the precious memories of "being with child." For more information on Pregnancy Belly Casting, go to www.lovesmemory.com. For more information on Michelle Bjork, the pregnancy portrait specialist, visit www.michellebjork.com.GUEST 1) Heidi Scarfone "PREGNANCY AND BIRTH ART" Labour coach and childbirth educator Heidi Scarfone, visits the B H studio to demonstrate how she helps parents preserve pregnancy memories through paintings. For more information on Heidi, please visit www.havingyourbaby.com, see her new and improved site coming on line by March 1st.Body Health is a high-profile daily half-hour television health program reaching audiences across Canada. A production of Global Communications Ltd., Body Health is launching its second season with exciting format changes and greatly enhanced reach. The Body Health Show relies on the expertise of community leaders who run Canada's major non-profit health agencies including the Heart and Stroke Foundation, The United Way, Canadian Cancer Society, and the Arthritis Society, as well as Universities and Medical Associations, for the current perspective on health matters. SHOWTIMES (subject to change; check local listings)Maritimes: Weekdays 8:30 a.m.Global Quebec: Weekdays 6 a.m. and 11 a.m.; Sundays 7:30 a.m.CH Hamilton: Weekdays 1:30 p.m.Global Ontario: Sundays 7:30 a.m.Global Winnipeg: Weekdays 11:30 p.m.Saskatchewan (Regina and Saskatoon): Weekdays 11:30 p.m. and 8:30 a.m.Global Edmonton, Calgary/Lethbridge AND RDTV (Red Deer): Weekdays at 11 a.m.CHBC: Tuesday to Friday 6:30 a.m.CH Vancouver Island: Weekdays 1 p.m.; Saturday 7:30 a.m.Prime (national specialty cable): Weekdays 6 p.m., 3:30 a.m. and 7:30 a.m.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Morning tea with Sheila Kitzinger
Hi Barb, Dont you mean - still places in ADELAIDE on March 1st seeya there Pinky - Original Message - From: barbara glare chris bright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 9:47 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Morning tea with Sheila Kitzinger Hi, ABA and Readings Books and Music will be hosting a morning tea with Sheila Kitzinger on Wed Feb 26th at 11am at Gasworks Park, Graham St Port Melbourne. The cost is $7.50 per adult. This is a child-friendly event, and children are free of charge. The Breastfeeding, Birth and Beyond Seminar has been extremely popular. The morning tea is a fabulous opportunity for ABA members and counsellors to meet more informally with Sheila. Sheila's books and a range of others will be available for purchase on the day, or you can bring your old and much loved copy for her to sign. To assist with planning, it would be great if you could book with Readings in Port Melbourne. The number is (03)9681 9255 Please feel free to distribute this on other lists. Still spaces available for the Sheila Seminar in Melbourne on March 1st see www.breastfeeding.asn.au Love, Barb -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleeping positions
Hear hear Denise! Pinky - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Sleeping positions While we are giving women SIDS information I trust we are also balancing it with Bed sharing information and other baby centred practices Such as http://www.nd.edu/~jmckenn1/lab/ http://www.kangaroomothercare.com/ http://www.continuum-concept.org/ Denise - Original Message - From: janet [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 2:23 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sleeping positions I agree that many women are afraid about placing their babies on their tummies - I think there is so much literature around about the SIDS recommended position to put babies to sleep on their back that they have to be reminded to allow tummy time during wake times. Also I heard that some children are ultimately suffering from misshapen heads, one woman was telling me that her son had to have a special helmet made to correct the shape of his head. Consequently when she had her second child she ignored the SIDS recommendations and placed her baby from side to side to sleep. Janet -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marilyn Kleidon Sent: Friday, 14 February 2003 1:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] no subject I have noticed that mums are even afraid to put their babies on their tummies to tie up their nightie. I assure them it is ok and even beneficial for babies to spend time on their tummies, just that you need to be observing them. Of course I slept all of my girls on their tummies, but I was picky about having clear breathing space, I also used a NZ lambskin for all 3, but pulled a sheet tight across the area under their face. So, I am not surprised that babies may not spending enough time on their tummies to use their neck muscles, though I think it is a good idea that they sleep on their babcks, and am increasingly surprised at how easy it is to do this. marilyn - Original Message - From: Lieve Huybrechts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] no subject Dear friends, I don't know if this topic has been discussed in the group already, but it interests me. The sleeping rules for babys (not on their tummy anymore) causes a lot of problems with back and neck muscles of children 3-4 months of age and later, because the parents are made so anxious that they even in daytime don't put their baby on the tummy anymore. On the website of midwifery today is a study (in Englisch :-)) Baby's Bedding: Is It Creating Toxic Nerve Gasses? by Joanne B. Quinn, RMA, PhD (http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/bedding.asp It's an New zealand and UK study. In our country it is unknown. Do you all know more or have some toughts about it? Greetings Lieve -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] RE pregnant barbie
??? where has the pregnant Barbie been banned for encouraging Csections - I havent heard this one -In the US she was removed fromshelves at Walmart due to customer complaints that she was TOO explicit!! and would encourage TEEN pregnancies!! Actually not sure how the children could work out HOW she got pregnant -she and hubby are reproductively challenged! That darn Barbie is a bad influence!!! Pinky - Original Message - From: Judy Giesaitis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 1:38 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE pregnant barbie Of course it is Barbies fault, I always thought that she was the spawn of satan Judy -Original Message- From: Ann green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 14 February 2003 1:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE pregnant barbie Dear List, I had heard that pregnant Barbie was banned as she encouraged the use of c/sections.So it is not the obst/ians IT IS BARBIES fault!I saw one pregnant doll that after the baby was removed the doll returned to a nice flat stomach.In my dreams-how I wish I had one of those i.e. flat stomach.Ann --- Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Alesia I forgot - have you seen the Brazilian Mama doll from Birth International? SHE actually gEverything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] RE pregnant barbie
Hi Ann, actually there is pressure to be thin at every level - I think even little boys feel it these days. But thats very scary. Pinky - Original Message - From: Ann green [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 1:55 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE pregnant barbie Dear Judy, i did not pay much heed to those who said Barbie was not a good toy to have until my daughter at age 6 said she did not eat much because I want to look like Barbie.I have found that the local school's breakfast program has encouraged her to at least have a better breakfast than before.Until our holiday in Tassie she only weighed 15kgs.While there she put on 4 kgs in 6 weeks!She is not small in height which is 115cm just looks thin.Ann--- Judy Giesaitis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course it is Barbies fault, I always thought that she was the spawn of satan Judy -Original Message- From: Ann green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 14 February 2003 1:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE pregnant barbie Dear List, I had heard that pregnant Barbie was banned as she encouraged the use of c/sections.So it is not the obst/ians IT IS BARBIES fault!I saw one pregnant doll that after the baby was removed the doll returned to a nice flat stomach.In my dreams-how I wish I had one of those i.e. flat stomach.Ann --- Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Alesia I forgot - have you seen the Brazilian Mama doll from Birth International? SHE actually gEverything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Message for Pinky
Hi Veronyka What is your email address? Pinky - Original Message - From: VERONYKA CAMPBELL To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 7:18 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Message for Pinky Pinky, hi Could you please reply to me privately with all info you have on Ezzoa(?) - have a friend who is a producer with a very reputable news program who is interested in pursuing this story. Thanks Veronyka
Re: [ozmidwifery] RE pregnant barbie
Sorry Alesia I forgot - have you seen the Brazilian Mama doll from Birth International? SHE actually gives birth, has a placenta and umbilical cord - and breasts with nipples!! - a bit more expensive than a Barbie. Pinky - Original Message - From: Alesa Koziol To: ozmidwifery Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 9:19 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] RE pregnant barbie Dear List Son's girlfriend works in a toy store. When I asked her about this doll (thought it could be a useful prop for a sibling antenatal educationclass)she informed me thatMattel 'Barbie' competitor 'Steffi Love'has had a similar product on Australian toy shelves for some time. So I bought one! Retailed for $16.99, this toy has a pregnant tummy with a babe "in utero" which can beremoved along with the pregnant abdo wall. From behind this doll does not have the classic hourglass shape of a "Barbie", and this doll has fuller breasts than a "Barbie" - both suggestive of a womans pregnant shape, but I dont know if this is just this model or the basic doll shape of this brand. I think it will be a wonderful aid when talking about pregnancy withchildren which is where I will be using it. Interesting that the Oz media hasnt picked up on this product yet is all a flutter over the Mattel one! Cheers Alesa Alesa KoziolClinical Midwifery EducatorMelbourne
Re: [ozmidwifery] RE pregnant barbie
Hi Alesia, who makes the Steffi Love? I guess they havent got a PR machine like Mattel's causing a stir. Its such a game isnt it - I did a radio interview on 3ak last week it was a hoot and lots of fun -I took Hello Baby By Jenni Overend and In Union as "props" to show and tell and talked about my own ten year old being atmy last birth - shes about to be a support person for her friend/ ex housemate (housemate told me that at the private hosp she is booked atthey like women to have epidurals -its easier for staff as the women arent in pain!! We had a wee chat about being able to move round in labour/ wateretcmaking things happen more easily) The radio host was Yvonne Adele - she is very pro natural birth and breastfeeding so we had a ball joking about Midge -and discussing children at birth and how people felt about that - she wasnt sure about that (isnt birth a bit "gory" for children?)so I was able to say it felt natural to me andI had explained to my girls that it was food blood not hurtig blood but I dont think larissa even noticed the blood - at least not with any alarm, it wasnt a strong memory- I have a beautiful story she wrote later - but each woman had to consider her own and her childs needs. It was quite a juicy discussion in spite of being light hearted.The phone-in was fun - one elderly lady upset that childrens innocence was being stolen / another stopped her car to phone that she had used a pregnant doll some years ago as a tool talking about families in a religious education class at a primary school !! thats pretty advanced stuff. I did a couple of news grabs yesterday -I havent listened to them but they were prerecorded so could have been "altered" for context - a Brisbane reporter was very pushy about the "ideal" family - I tried to sidestep that one -who gives a toss?? Midge and bub are in one box and Alan and toddler in another- people can decide the relevance for themselves - but Midge even fits her wedding ring - no swollen fingers!! At least its nice to have an 'involved' Daddy -frankly I cant see why all the fuss -its just a doll. I must have a look for the Steffi doll. Pinky - Original Message - From: Alesa Koziol To: ozmidwifery Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 9:19 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] RE pregnant barbie Dear List Son's girlfriend works in a toy store. When I asked her about this doll (thought it could be a useful prop for a sibling antenatal educationclass)she informed me thatMattel 'Barbie' competitor 'Steffi Love'has had a similar product on Australian toy shelves for some time. So I bought one! Retailed for $16.99, this toy has a pregnant tummy with a babe "in utero" which can beremoved along with the pregnant abdo wall. From behind this doll does not have the classic hourglass shape of a "Barbie", and this doll has fuller breasts than a "Barbie" - both suggestive of a womans pregnant shape, but I dont know if this is just this model or the basic doll shape of this brand. I think it will be a wonderful aid when talking about pregnancy withchildren which is where I will be using it. Interesting that the Oz media hasnt picked up on this product yet is all a flutter over the Mattel one! Cheers Alesa Alesa KoziolClinical Midwifery EducatorMelbourne
Re: [ozmidwifery] The Ezzoa are coming!!
Leanne, Where are you? I am so concerned about this guy and his advertising - he is promoting lectures in Perth Sydney and Tasmania -his Perth lectures are going to be held at Curtin University and he is expecting 600 people!! He has advertised in Kids in Perth - I have emailed the editor (and called 60 minutes and ACA - who are interested!!) but I guess anyone can pay for ads and his are now in anyway! That is a LOT of potential failing to thrive babies!! Ezzo was trounced by Penelope Leach in a TV interview in the UK and denounced by the AAP - the weblink has horrendous case studies. Does anyone know any academics in Perth who may be able to alert the uni that they are hiring space/ aligning with a very dangerous guy? Pinky . - Original Message - From: leanne wynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] The Ezzoa are coming!! Be aware! This twisted individual masquerades as a Christian with a ministry in Parenting but is actually more of a cult leader into control and outright lies. He has been publicly denounced by numerous Christain ministers, paediatricians and psychologists. Babies who are fed under his regime will suffer from dehydration and failure to thrive. All parents should be warned! From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] The Ezzoa are coming!! Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 10:20:29 +1100 check out the links below to the ezzo information website and GFI newsletter -and the lecture series advertsied in the GFI newsletter -these people are outright cranks - the AAP (American Academy of Paediatrics) have denounced their Babywise program - case studies of failure to thrive and further articles are available by following the links below. They are bringing their goodies downunder .Lectures to be held in Perth Sydney and Tasmania in Feb!! Apparently in Perth their advertsing is mainstream without any mention of religion. It may be worth printing some info eg the article by Paediatrician Matthew Aney (also a chrstian) to give to mothers in your contact. This warning on the ABA guestbook by a disenchanted ex-Ezzo employee contains the relevant links. . Your readers may want to be alerted to the fact that Gary Ezzo, founder of Growing Families International, is focusing his attention on Australia and New Zealand. I used to work for Ezzo and wrote an article about him for Midwest Christian Outreach last year. Adventure in Ezzoland is available on the ezzo.info web site: http://www.ezzo.info The GFI newsletter for Australia has more information: http://www.gfi.org.au/Newsletter/GFA-Newsletter-October-2002.pdf Frank York [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hermitage, TN USA _ _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Aussie Poll on war
Why not send it straight to Johhny at the lodge -he he Pinky - Original Message - From: Larry Megan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Aussie Poll on war Can any one tell me what the best way will be to send back my How to Spot a Terrorist brochure? There isn't a return postal address and don't want to waste the oppurtunity and have Aus Post just bin it. Any suggestions welcome, thanks Megan. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Ezzos
From an email I received this morningfrom a former Ezzo employee - I guess if the web links are out there people can work it out themselves Pinky I got a call yesterday evening from a talk radio station in Perth. I had 45 minutes to prepare to be interviewed live on the show. It went well. The host was going to have the GFI AU rep on the show after me. I didn't hear it. I mentioned the ezzo.info web site as a source and it went from 280 hits yesterday to more than 3800 today (Thursday) from AU people downloading info. --- Frank
[ozmidwifery] Aussie Poll on war
Hi sorry this isnt about midwifery -but it does affect women and kids if you are interested... Pinky Subject: A.B.C. Poll on war with Iraq DEAR EVERYONEPLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO VOTE ON THIS. IF ANYBODY CAN MAKEA DIFFERENCE TO THOSE THAT DO MAKE THE FINAL DECISION, IT IS THE MEDIA.This is an ABC Poll, 2000 votes isn't going to move John Howard much but amillion votes will. Please take a second to complete this pass it ontoyour friends with a real urgency. Please, there is not a lot we can do,butthis is something we can do that will make a difference ifenough people yell loud enough!Cast your vote and check out the results to date.The question:Do you believe there is a case for war against Iraq?http://www.abc.net.au/news/poll1/vote/http://www.abc.net.au/news/poll1/vote/
[ozmidwifery] The Ezzoa are coming!!
check out the links below to the ezzo information websiteand GFI newsletter-and the lecture series advertsied in the GFI newsletter -these people are outrightcranks - the AAP (American Academy of Paediatrics) have denounced theirBabywise program - case studies of failure to thrive and further articlesare available by following the links below. They are bringing their "goodies" downunder .Lectures to be held in Perth Sydney and Tasmania in Feb!! Apparently in Perth their advertsing is mainstream without any mention of religion. It may be worth printing some info eg the article byPaediatrician Matthew Aney (also a chrstian) to give to mothers in yourcontact.Thiswarning on the ABA guestbook by a disenchanted ex-Ezzo employee contains the relevant links. . Your readers may want to be alerted to the fact that Gary Ezzo, founder of Growing Families International, is focusing his attention on Australia and New Zealand. I used to work for Ezzo and wrote an article about him for Midwest Christian Outreach last year. "Adventure in Ezzoland" is available on the ezzo.info web site: http://www.ezzo.info The GFI newsletter for Australia has more information: http://www.gfi.org.au/Newsletter/GFA-Newsletter-October-2002.pdf Frank York [EMAIL PROTECTED]Hermitage, TN USA _
Re: [ozmidwifery] Aussie Poll on war
Hi Darren It seems that if you click on the first link then on img (on left hand side half way down list) an email box pops up try sending a vote through that -I cant see anything else either, but teh results show up on the link at this page. Pinky - Original Message - From: Darren Sunn To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Aussie Poll on war Pinky ...whats the Link to the web address where the poll resides? The ones below dont work for me... Darren - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 8:50 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Aussie Poll on war Hi sorry this isnt about midwifery -but it does affect women and kids if you are interested... Pinky Subject: A.B.C. Poll on war with Iraq DEAR EVERYONEPLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO VOTE ON THIS. IF ANYBODY CAN MAKEA DIFFERENCE TO THOSE THAT DO MAKE THE FINAL DECISION, IT IS THE MEDIA.This is an ABC Poll, 2000 votes isn't going to move John Howard much but amillion votes will. Please take a second to complete this pass it ontoyour friends with a real urgency. Please, there is not a lot we can do,butthis is something we can do that will make a difference ifenough people yell loud enough!Cast your vote and check out the results to date.The question:Do you believe there is a case for war against Iraq?http://www.abc.net.au/news/poll1/vote/http://www.abc.net.au/news/poll1/vote/
Re: [ozmidwifery] I am back! Did ya miss me?
Hi Jo Your email needs to be forwarded to any media people who will listen - can you make up a pack/ media kit- a plain white folder containing the objections you sent to the study and a copy of this email adapted to make a brief covering letter - women need to be forewarned. It would also be useful to point out that the researchers are not Australians(they arent are they?) How dare they use women and babies as beasts for experimentation!! Pinky - Original Message - From: Jo Dean Bainbridge To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 9:48 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] I am back! Did ya miss me? Hi everyone, I am back with a newly polished soap box and a major thing to be yelling about! I am going to jump straight into it with the stress that I am not going to stay on the list for long (a few weeks perhaps) so you may have to contact me off list for further details. Okay, everyone sitting down??? Guess who is doing an Australian/New Zealand multi-centred study called ACTOBAC A Controlled Trial Of Birth After Caesarean which (wait for it) is a randomised controlled trial involving 2000 women. The study is being conducted by Professor Caroline Crowther. It involves women with one previous cs and they will be randomised at 34 weeks. Those who are designated the vbac option will have mandatory continuous monitoring and all the other woman unfriendly policies imposed on vbacs, inductions or augmentationswill not be excluded.Theunfortunate women who are allocated to the cs group, if they (inconveniently) go into spontaneous labour theywill be given an emergency cs. How do I know all this?? CARES was contacted after Crowther read my article in Birth Perinatal Issues Journal (Sept 2002) and asked us to make some comments on the trialwe made comments alright!5 pages worth for starters. The issues and criticisms are many and varied. the language used is appalling, the information biased and the methodology dubious. An then there is the little issue of it being completely unethical!we got a reply after almost three months with a "thanks for your feed back. We are proud to announce the trial has been approved for funding". this is an unacceptable and insulting response to say the least. we have had no further comment from them. So how annoyed are you so far?? it gets better. As this is a long posting as it is, (typical for me huh?) If you want to know more please let me know. To end this email I will give you the first paragraph from the information pamphlet provided to us by the research team in November: "For someone like yourself who has had a previous caesarean section a decision needs to be made as to whether your baby is best born by allowing a vaginal birth or whether a repeat caesarean section should be undertaken" and it gets so much better hope to hear from interested parties as soon as possible as I am writing to the ethics committees and need as much weight to support our objections. (ACMI National level would be appreciated if you are listening!) Remember that this is going to recruiting women from every major women's children's hospital in every capital city around this country. cheers for now Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAwww.cares-sa.org.au[EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith love...
[ozmidwifery] Pregnant barbie
Hi ladies, Midge- Barbies best friend -is pregnant(Barbie is the paediatrician)-arriving in toyshops in the next week. Now are you sitting down -I have been asked by Mattel's PR company to give some quotes/ do some interviews re kids and pregnancy/ birthetc. After a discussion with Andrea and lots of thought plus making certain I am not expected to endorse the doll although the media may misconstrue my words -I am going to be doing quite a bit of talking about birth and children. I am doing a live interview on 3ak monday at 12 .15pm. I am taking an array of props - Hello Baby by Jenni Overend and In Union -by Vicki Chan and Nic Edmonstone. I want to take this opportunity to turn the crap into a positive - to tell women that how they portray birth to their daughters can convey awe of the female body (dear Midge needs some serious help - perhaps atexta to add nipples for starters!) The fact is, this doll is going to be out there anyway and people will be buying her -she looks lovely with her dress on even though her whole belly is attached with a magnet so comes completely off (ridiculous!!I agree - myson immediately tipped her upside down to see how the baby would come out! - poor darling doesnt have a vagina -a teachable moment!!)- I think we can use this launchas a trigger for lots of dscussion about birth and pregnancy - feel free to be there when the phonelines open and write letters to the editor etc - there are people who think this doll is TOO REALISTIC!!! -That is why she was pulled fromthe shelves at Walmart in the US.One WA journalist actually wrote that surely it is ok for 5 year olds to believe babies come via the stork -ie arent we corrupting kids innocence -I think there will be some great debate. What next ??- I have been waiting for a pear shaped Barbie for years!! Would she be a collectors item? Pinky
Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant barbie picture
Hi Aviva -I dont wear a wedding ring either even tho I did getmarried. my finger grew out of it years ago and since my husband doesnt wear one I dont see why I should. Actually, when I was a little girl and asked my mummy how do you make babies? she told me "when you get married and sleep with your husband they come -I (smart kid that I was) replied well how come you have only had 3 babies and Dottie Huta has 9 kids and you sleep with Daddy every night? -Ha stumped her there!!! Actually I was so in stitches about Midge as the PR girl wasdescribing her to me that I couldnt resist asking (tongue firmly in my cheek) "Im not sure about this -is she married?" "oh yes Pr girl replied very seriously -her wedding story is on the box!" Then I cracked up and spoilt it all as she realised I was only joking. I simply cant be serious -and one of my lovely props happens to be a 1957 book about talking to children about childbirth and sex -it is a total hoot -I just wanna read a page out loud!!My Monday interview will be live and is with Yvonne Adele (alias Ms Megabyte) I have done several interviews with her before shes good fun and has a nine year old and a baby about 11months old -shes very pro breastfeeding so is possibly ok about birth too. Dunno about Barbies tho- actually another concern about Midge in teh US was that she would be encouraging teen pregnancies -not sure how little girls would be able to figure out how she got that way from her (and hubby Alan's ) equipment - when my girls were little they used to play families with the Barbies - the Fisher price little people were the children and Action man was always the Daddy -I dont think they thought Ken was quite up to it -I remember Barbie driving a (tonka) truck one day while Daddy (Action Man) minded the babies -Larissa was a right madam and bossed the little boy she was playing with -told him to give the baby ezpressed milk if she wasnt back when the baby woke up!! Another day she also shocked hell out of a neighbour when she "gave birth" to a doll who was tucked up her dress -she made some very realistic noises -squatted and "dropped" the baby then pulled up her shirt and breastfed -she was about 3 years old and Sarah was a baby at the time -Neighbour was a right prude with one4 year old girl - this neighbour even ironed underpants so probably thought I (who barely recognised an iron) was quite a savage anyway - so of course would have savage children! I am looking forward to some funny interviews - mattel may or may not be amused!! The last pregnant doll was a Judy doll -I have an American friend called Judy so she reminded me of teh name. Pinky. PS -yes lets just ship a boat load of Happy Family dolls to Iran and save the chilren !! - Original Message - From: Aviva Sheb'a To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie" picture Here's a link from the same page. If Barbie dolls are having such an effect on Iranian children as they say in the article, then all George Dubbya has to do is wait ten years and Iran will be all-American. Much less messy, they could argue. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1856558.stm Humble apologies for tongue in cheek. Aviva - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie" picture YEARS AGO THERE WAS A "BARBIE TYPE" DOLL (CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME) WHO HAD A PREGNANT BELLY WITH A LITTLE BABY DOLL INSIDE. THE FRONT OF THE ABDOMEN CAME OFF TO SHOW THE BABY INSIDE. USEDIT TO SHOW WOMENVARIOUS POSITIONSOF THE BABY AND TO SHOW LITTLEONES THEIR SIBLING IN UTERO. OF COURSE THEY DISAPPEARED OFF THE MARKET WITHIN ONE SEASON. Sorry about the capitals, cheers, MM - Original Message - From: Julie Garratt To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie" picture Hi,Me again;) I've found a picture and some info on Midge, worth a look if your interested. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2608867.stm It is suggested in this story that "Midge can help parents discuss pregnancy without having to have graphic descriptions of the reproductive process". Midge also has a "tiny wedding ring" I think this is a real hoot! Pinky your definitely going to have fun with this one, keep us posted. Julie'', - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 7:25 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pregnant "barbie" Hi ladies,
Re: [ozmidwifery] ??sleep question
That sounds great , Pinky - Original Message - From: Julie Garratt To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] ??sleep question Hi Pinky, In my other life as a Babycharmer :)LOL I found that slowly acclimatising babies to change works best. Can the parents safely tie the hammock in the cot and slowly lower it until it lies flat on the bottom? Might work. Julie'', - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 11:30 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] ??sleep question Hi all - anyone?? Any suggestions? A question from a parent that has me a bit baffled - I get several every day and most are totally straightforward. Interestingly most babies parents enquire about aresleeping long stretches - mine never slept 12 hours -at any age!! The challenge we are currently faced with is moving (baby) from a babyhammock to a cot.(baby) is now 6 months old and has been sleepingsuccessfully in a hammock for the last 4 months averaging around 12 hourssleep solid for that time. We are currently reaching a point that he willout grow his hammock so we will have to put him into a cot. We have triedthis a few times with the same result. He will go to sleep on his back andstay there for about 20 minutes and then because he can roll now he rolls inhis sleep and wakes himself up. We are both unsure of what to do.Pinky
[ozmidwifery] ??sleep question
Hi all - anyone?? Any suggestions? A question from a parent that has me a bit baffled - I get several every day and most are totally straightforward. Interestingly most babies parents enquire about aresleeping long stretches - mine never slept 12 hours -at any age!! The challenge we are currently faced with is moving (baby) from a babyhammock to a cot.(baby) is now 6 months old and has been sleepingsuccessfully in a hammock for the last 4 months averaging around 12 hourssleep solid for that time. We are currently reaching a point that he willout grow his hammock so we will have to put him into a cot. We have triedthis a few times with the same result. He will go to sleep on his back andstay there for about 20 minutes and then because he can roll now he rolls inhis sleep and wakes himself up. We are both unsure of what to do.Pinky
[ozmidwifery] Rabbits!!
Hi A light moment, Pinky FIND THE RABBITThe LAPD, FBI and the CIA were all asked to prove that they were capable of apprehending the terrorists. The President George W decided to give them atest.He released a white rabbit into a forest and each of them had to catch it.The CIA goes in. They place animal informants throughout the forest. They question all the plant and material witnesses. After three months ofextensive investigations, they conclude that rabbits do not exist.The LAPD go in. They come out after two hours with a badly beaten bear. Thebear is yelling, "Okay, okay, I'm a rabbit, I'm a rabbit."The FBI goes in. After two weeks with no leads, they bomb the forest,killing everything in it, including the rabbit. They make no apologies; therabbit had it coming.Little Johnny the Australian Prime Minister hears about this and decides totest Australian Law Enforcement Agencies. He releases a white rabbit intothe Stromlo Forest outside Canberra.The Victorian Police go in. They return after 15 minutes with a koala, akangaroo, and a tree fern all shot to pieces. "They looked like dangerousrabbits and we had to act in self-defence" is their explanation.The NSW Police go in. Surveillance tapes later reveal top ranking officersand rabbits dancing around a gum tree stoned out of their minds.The QLD Police go in. Shortly afterwards, they come out driving a brand newMercedes, scantily clad rabbits draped all over them. The QLD Premiercongratulates them on maintaining traditional family values.The National Crime Authority couldn't catch the rabbit, but promise that ifthey are given a budget increase they can recover 90 million from the rabbitin unpaid taxes and proceeds of crime. The WA Police went into the forest and caught the white rabbit, but therabbit inexplicably hung itself when the attending officer "slipped outmomentarily" for a cup of coffee.ASIO goes into the wrong forest.The Australian Federal Police refuse to go in. They examine the issues,particularly cost, and decide that because of the low priority and cost tothe organisation as a whole, the matter should be rejected and returned tothe referring department for investigation.The NT and SA police join forces to beat the crap out of every rabbit in theforest except the white one. They know it is the black ones who cause allthe trouble.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Response to criticisms re-use of water during labour/birth at RPA
Pete, that must have felt so awful for you as a new father - it must have really hurt to feel so powerless and not be able to be the protector -I do think mothers go into a protective/ passive state in the early days -the total focus is on the baby and any energy dealing with conflict feels contrary to mothering. That good ol' prolactin seems to take away any aggressive/ angry feelings maybe it is natures way of helping us nurture/ protect the baby.And usually there simply isnt any energy left over to do anything beyond caring for ourselves and our infant. And yes we do tend to leave the birth behind in an effort to forget trauma -I have a dear friend who was robbed and bashed last week -CIB were coming yesterday to do an identikit and she was terrified saying I just want to forget -I dont want to go back over it and see her face. I have been trying to block it out because every time I shut my eyes I see her (yes it was a young woman who violated her) However, some of us have recurring nightmares/ dreams too -I did -of going back over and having my baby properly. Pinky - Original Message - From: Malavisi, Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 8:46 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Response to criticisms re-use of water during labour/birth at RPA I would just like to pick up on a point that Hannah has made that the individual concerned directly must make the complaint, I do support this but there are occasions when individual are affected by events but for whatever reason fail to recognise the seriousness or potential seriousness of the situation. I had the very unfortunate experience of having to hold my partner down on the operating table because the epidural wasn't working and she felt all the pain from the caesar, for whatever reason (I believe personal protection) she failed to remember how bad it was, I was put in a very frustrating position of not wanting to see this to happen to anyone else so tried to pursue it but in effect nothing could be done unless my partner would lodge the complaint and basically she just wanted to put it all behind her. I shudder to think that the same could happen to another woman. We as midwives and support people act as advocates for many women we care for but at the end of the day we seem powerless to change the system or what is happening and I regret will continue to happen to far to many women. yours in midwifery pete malavisi -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] S.O.S!
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinnards v's dopplar Hi Lyn surely this mum is eligible for In home care - paid for by the govt. Are you acredited to assess and provide or can you work along with someone like Louise Dunham (who is accredited) or Susan Rogan (who probably is) -they are quite fussy about their nannies and it would be good netowrking to be able to "share" staff in special circumstances like this. She needs to report her current nanny to whatever agency she went through and demand a replacement and/ or refund!! Poor woman!! Pinky - Original Message - From: Lyn Cottee To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 1:13 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] S.O.S! Dear List, I know its a long shot but if you know anyone in the Melbourne area who is suitably qualified to help a mother of eight look after her seven week old twins, Id be glad to hear from them. The hours she needs are M-Th, midnight to 6 a.m. starting immediately! She is breastfeeding them and wants to continue doing that, but would like to get some sleep after their midnight feed until their next feed at 3, which is understandable. She would also like to go to sleep afterwards, again, not an unreasonable request! Her current nanny sleeps on the job and has other unsuitable traits which I wont go into at the moment. I can be contacted on 9530 6930 if anyone knows of anybody who can help, that would be wonderful. Pay is negotiable. Love, Lyn Cottee -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Lieve HuybrechtsSent: Wednesday, 22 January 2003 4:17 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinnards v's dopplar Thats also my way of working. They come to the prenatal visits and they can tell exactly how the baby is positioned. They call me the moment that breech babys tumble around. That gives them confidence and power. I have a lot of pinnards and I give each couple a pinard from 20 weeks on and I teach the father how to listen. They make it an event of the day. In one case I forgot my doppler at home during a birth. I listened to the baby with the pinard and they didnt find it strange or unsafe at all. They knew that it was perfect.Warm greetingsLieveOn 22-01-2003 00:00, "Sally Westbury" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cas,You point is intereting. I also dont offer for women to hear the baby. .. It is that process of allowing or teaching women to know their own baby, for them to be the expert. I also ask the women what position the baby is in and how the baby is.. whether the baby has dropped etc etc.. before I feel.. Probably is why at the end of the pregnancy I have women who can be very overdue (I am waiting with 2 overdue women presently) who are utterly confident that the baby is fine and they can wait for the baby to be ready to come out!Sally WestburyHomebirth Midwife"You are a midwife, assisting at someone else's birth. Do good without show or fuss. Facilitate what is happening rather than what you think ought to be happening. If you must take the lead, lead so that the mother is helped, yet still free and in charge. When the baby is born, the mother will rightly say: "We did it ourselves!" from The Tao Te Ching
Re: [ozmidwifery] IUGR
Hi Lieve, When I was pregnant with second baby (born 1976) - now a tall healthy man) Dr told me he had stopped growing for a month during pregnancy -concerns about placenta so I peed in a bottle and did weekly oestriol tests tests were fine. Baby was born 2 weeks past due dates' weighing more than 9 1/2 pounds! At teh time I followed diet advice of Adele Davis Lets Have Healthy Children Although I didnt drink all the cow milk she advised, I ate whole unrefined foods and believe the supplements - Zinc/ Vit C and pantothenic acid / E / fish oils, calcium magnesium in a balanced dose plus the diet additions like brewers yeast(yuk!!) and wheatgerm (for B6) also helped with collagen / stretching - 1 1/2 hr easy labour. I am not sure whether it helped with placenta function, but I also took all the same supplements and rested quite a bit early as I was threatening to miscarry with larissa (3rd baby) .I bled til 7 months this time. but after the bleeding stopped I did lots of walking to fitten up and increase circulation. Another short easy labour. When born, the cord actually broke from placenta which was very scarred and at teh time the midwife was amazed that I had such a big healthy baby (4kg again.) Later I read the Bettter Babies series by Francesca Naish and Janette Roberts which is much clearer and up to date for modern mums, the supplement regime is similar but the food recommended is less likely to sensitise the baby to allergies (ie lots of cow milk isnt a requisite). They also adivise herbs and.naturopathic supplements and advocate keeping the kidneys healthy for placenta function (sometimes affected by pre-eclampia/ elevated blood pressure). Best wishes Pinky - Original Message - From: Lieve Huybrechts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 1:12 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] IUGR Dear list, I got a phone call from a mother. She is 27 weeks pregnant. Her gyn told her the baby has a growth retardation of 1-2 weeks. He told her to lay down on her left side for an hour three times a day. He pretty scared her of by telling her when the baby didn't have a growthspurt in a fourthnight, he had to get the baby because the placenta was not well enough.The baby is very active and the mother had a very good feeling of her pregnancy. She had a previous c-section 11 years ago for breech baby and she is 35 years old. Do you have any tips for her to improve the placenta function? Warm greetings Lieve -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Happy Dragons
Then we will really have a big party!! Pinky - Original Message - From: Jan Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 1:07 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Happy Dragons Dear Aviva, Pinky Hope you lucky dragons have fifty happy birthdays more to come. From a lucky golden dragon Jan Robinson -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Good Fiddle
Wow Aviva -havent heard that oen for a while - my Dad's saying too! Pinky - Original Message - From: Aviva Sheb'a To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] '52 was a good year Yes, Judy. Or, like a Stradivarius violin, we keep on getting better. My mother used to say (among many other things) Many a good tune played on an old fiddle. :-) 8 Aviva - Original Message - From: Judy Chapman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 2:17 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] '52 was a good year I would have to agree with you Aviva. Mind you I could be prejudiced.Good like a great bottle of wine. Mature and smooth. Judy --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 25/12/02
[ozmidwifery] Turning 50
me too Aviva (july) 52 was a very good year -the year of the dragon! But no bangs -just a load of laughs as I went to dinner with a van load of ladies- had always "planned" a big one but things just didnt work out last year - maybe 60 will be really wild! We can belly dance! Pinky - Original Message - From: Aviva Sheb'a To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Giving up BF Isn't turning 50 just the best?! I did it with a bang (oh damn, notthat sort of bang) in May...can heartily recommend it for who haven't already! I know so many of the same age. Must have been a great year! Aviva - Original Message - From: Judy Chapman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 1:08 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Giving up BF Hi Pinky, You are probably right about the exhaustion. Having done depression since those days I can look back and say that I probably was a tad PND orientated. Anyway, I have just done the big 50 and had not a bad party for that one (lamb on a spit, flaming poi twirling by a Kiwi midwife, Bellydancingby myself etc)so I reckon the party bit is ok now. Judy From: "Pinky McKay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Giving up BF Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 01:24:09 +1100 Hi Judy, I actually suspect quite a lot of extreme exhaustion could be undiagnosed PND -then the abrupt cessation of breastfeeding causes hormone withdrawal as well as the tight tits/ fevers, which makes things feel worse - what a dreadful 21st birthday!!! You know you could have a 'not 21' party to make up! Pinky Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 25/12/02
Re: [ozmidwifery] Giving up BF
Sounds like you've made up for it ! Pinky - Original Message - From: Judy Chapman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 1:38 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Giving up BF Hi Pinky, You are probably right about the exhaustion. Having done depression since those days I can look back and say that I probably was a tad PND orientated. Anyway, I have just done the big 50 and had not a bad party for that one (lamb on a spit, flaming poi twirling by a Kiwi midwife, Bellydancingby myself etc)so I reckon the party bit is ok now. Judy From: "Pinky McKay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Giving up BF Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 01:24:09 +1100 Hi Judy, I actually suspect quite a lot of extreme exhaustion could be undiagnosed PND -then the abrupt cessation of breastfeeding causes hormone withdrawal as well as the tight tits/ fevers, which makes things feel worse - what a dreadful 21st birthday!!! You know you could have a 'not 21' party to make up! Pinky Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] New Years Greetings
Congratulations -beautiful news! Pinky - Original Message - From: Cheryl LHK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] New Years Greetings Glad to hear of the safe arrival. Well, after two boys we have a girl (still in shock) and had a great hospital birth, one of the few hearing some people's stories. Saw my doc on Thurs, had a whinge and whine, then started niggling on early Fri morning. Stayed at home until midday, ruptured membranes and the pain level went up a few notches. Arrived at hospital by 1230, settled into my routine (when you work there, you know where to find things!!) of arranging pillows, beanbag, the nitrous etc. 5cm on arrival - very happy. Warned the midwives that once I start pushing the baby will arrive NOW, went into my own little dreamworld (thanks to analgesia) and had a 5 min second stage, birthed an 8lb + baby at 3:20pm, intact, and the midwife was the accoucher, doc turned up to do the congrats bit with head on view!! Came home less than 24 hours later, and the girls at work I'm sure think I must be manic - just excited - can't sleep at work, keep hearing all the buzzers. Sorry we are a bit disjointed, just happy. Kate is sleeping so I'm enjoying my boys. Cheryl From: Jan Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] New Years Greetings Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 23:34:44 +1100 Hi Cheryl Yes, I had my New Year baby, but closer to midnight on New Year's Day rather than first thing in the morning ... Anna Cassandra (4700g and 42 and a half weeks by dates) arrived into the arms of her mother, cheered on by the whole support team, Father and brothers, Grandma and good friend and me. Almost a twenty four hour labour, long for a third, but I think a low-lying anterior placenta had a lot to do with the slow start, also the membranes remained intact right until the end (as had her mother's when she was born, so her mother told me). My client did lots of walking in the fresh air during the morning, used Mary Murphy's magic Western Australian pain cream and back massage (thanks Mary) and lots of supportive soothing words in the afternoon. She graduated to the wonderful water in the pool in the late evening, but STOOD UP TO GIVE BIRTH (you'd like that Jackie, but I forgot to wear my Get up and Give Birth T-shirt) Oh, well, there's always next year for some great homebirth publicity. Right now I'm on a high and preparing for the next two births. Cheryl, I'll be crossing my fingers that you give birth a few seconds into Australia Day and your baby becomes entrenched in Australian history as the first Australia Day baby to be born! I'll be watching the papers and this list. Thanks for all the interest and support Jan On 1/1/03 8:27 AM, Cheryl LHK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Happy New Year to all. Wonder if Jan got her Jan 1 baby?? Mind you, I was wondering if I was going to go into labour last night - would have been nice, will probably have to wait until Australia Day though ?? Drats. Hope those that worked had a great night. Cheryl _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] best job
I'm definitely in the wrong job - but I love these stories! maybe thats why I had so many babies - the "rush" of birth! Happy new year - you make my heart sing! Pinky
Re: [ozmidwifery] controlled parenting
Hi Darren, Good on you! sounds like you have been a wonderfuly supportive friend. Sadly Controlled crying IS the norm - see the latest issue of Practical Patrenting for "instructions" on how to get your baby to sleep -from 6 WEEKS The nurse interviewed calls it controlled COMFORTING!!! When the bonds are being broken by turning a baby to face AWAY from parent so there is no eye contact that is not comforting. Apart from teaching babies learned helplessness, it is setting a precedent for a style of parenting that ignores the childs attempts to communicate and later results in the necessity for "behaviour management" rather than a parenting style/ discipline(which means "to teach" -not punish -to me this includes practises such as time out and "logical" consequences which are really punishment under another name)based on mutual respect. I was recently surprised to discover that a friend's little daughter has hearing loss (This friend is a midwife) - this 5 year old communicates extremely well - then I remembered that my own youngest child has auditory processing problems which, according to the booklet from RCH (Melb), SHOULD make it difficult for him to communicate -and cause difficulty when he plays with other childrenbecause he will misinterpret conversations etc. While he has experienced learning difficulties within a classroom situation (he cant block out background noise to discern the teachers voice -his difficulty was diagnosed VERY late after delayed learing at school) Both of these children have lots of friends, play extremely well and communicate with adults with noAPPARENT difficulties - I think the key is that they are amazingly good at interpreting body language and possibly lipreading and are "tuned in" to other peoples cues because they were both nurtured closely - slings/ co-sleeping/. responsive attention toTHEIR cues and both were breastfed for five years plus. I fear the theory that breastfeeding is only "good" for three months is also promoted by some health professionals -I had a disagreement with a woman doctor about this as she berated me for not having my three year old vaccinated -this was his first visit with an illness -he had a cough and I simply wanted her to listen to his chest for me. Several years later when my older daughter became ill withtonsillitis, she checked the records (as they do) for her previous illnesses - and conceded - "you do have healthy children" - this child had oneprevious record of antibiotics -and she was insenior high school! She too was breastfed for beyond five years. I dont think this is simply coincidence, although I know this isnt everyone's "drink of milk" It is sad that this ignorance abounds and that people actually believe that mothers only breastfeed for the "goodness" of the milk (even though that is majorly important). I feel that so much intuitive stuff about birth, breastfeeding, mothering is denied - just as mothers really dont need to know the mechanics of birth to be their baby's passage to life,nor should they have tojustifythe physiological advantages of breastfeeding - breastfeeding is a physicalexpression of love between mother and baby and iswhat nature intended for babies - surely that is the best recommendation for continuing to breastfeed as long as mother and baby want to share this special bond. Your friend is lucky to have your support -I am sure she will absorb information as she is ready -I am amazed at the different levels people seem to take in the information in my books -but that is good because they are obviously not threatened or challenged by the way I present information andbecause of this, may absorb messages that otherwise would not be presented (such as breastfeeding is good for bonding - and the comfort factor - at least this dad was giving support and defending his partner and baby!! We can all be thrown off guard by criticism.) . It is good to be another voice and yes, lets keep chipping away with support and acceptance of all parents - as the bonds become stronger between baby and parents,and parents confidence grows they will feel in their hearts thatthe 'norm' (in some circles described as 'normative abuse' ) isnt always right. Thanks for your feedback, Darren. Happy new year Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: Darren Sunn To: ozmidwifery Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 8:23 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] controlled parenting Pinky, Well I thought it would be good to give you an up date on my friend who was practising controlled crying, and am pleased to announce that she has almost completely ceased this .. We gave her a copy of your books and she said that she read them but Im not completely convinced that she actually read them. On another front, she was told by her parents, husband, in-laws, relatives, and some friends that controlled
Re: [ozmidwifery] Happy New year...and some birth talk!!!
Hi Tina, Congratulations!! a happy, healthy new year to you - have you heard anything of Larissa? I am still wearing my string bangle and sending her my good wishes for a happy birth day. Pinky - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 1:54 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Happy New year...and some birth talk!!! Hello fellow listersjust want to wish you all a safe, happy and healthy New Year.I have had a wonderful year...a year of affirmation of my calling to midwiferyI have enjoyed my first year of the B Mid immensely .many challenges...many joys and frustrations ...but above all many friendships made with wonderful women - colleagues and clients alike.I completed my first clinical placement on Christmas eve...wowwhat a wonderful 2 weeks I had, learning and sharing with some wonderfully dedicated and expert midwives...Thankyou to Louise, Lynne and Sandra for all your support and guidance during my time with you...you have taught me so much and I feel honoured to have begun on my midwifery journey with you all...thank you.To the wonderful women who opened their hearts to me and shared their pregnancy and birthing experiences - thankyouWomen just love to share their wisdom of 'woman' with students and without their trust and enthusiasm to teach us...where would we be I'm feeling so contented at the moment where I am with my midwifery.finally its all coming togetherall the skills and knowledge I am developing, consolidating, revising its just awesomeand there is nothing like the lived experience to bring it all to the fore :-)) Like the absolute thrill of being 'with woman' as she discovers her power and strength in birthing for the first time and trusts you enough to open completely and birth her 4.1 kg babe into your handsor the woman who is frightened as labour is earlyand the student who is 'green' with this senario...but together we find our way through the highs and lows of a highly managed/medicalised birthscalp electrodes, monitors, periods of bradycardia to finally the elation and relief and the pumping of adrenalin experienced when a little 2.4 kg babe arrives in a hurry/flurrystudent one glove on, one glove off.cradling this sweet little being in what look like her huge handsthe sheer delight in seeing this family 'birthed' will stay with me alwaysthank you Nicole. 2003 holds much in store. A busy year ahead with family life and my midwifery studies. I look forward to a year ahead of sharing and learning with you all. Yours in reforming midwiferyTina Pettigrew.Bachelor of Midwifery StudentSoon to be at Australian Catholic University.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Au Revoir
Best wishes Denise, Enjoy. by the way my email to you offlist bounced! Pinky - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 8:36 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Au Revoir Dear Ozmid list i am going off line as my son is coming to Sydney and i am moving as well as getting a new computer (returning the rental)Denise
Re: [ozmidwifery] POST NATAL HELP
Yes Karen - the maternity nurse description applies here too - see www.mothersdreamteam.com.au for local descriptions. Pinky - Original Message - From: Karen Cole To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 5:54 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] POST NATAL HELP I worked as something similar to this in London, where it is called a maternity nurse, I was employed through nanny agencies mostly. Maybe that would be a good starting place. However, to work as a maternity nurse it was not necessary to be a midwife or even a nurse for that matter, it was sometimes just young girls with baby experience. So she should set out with a clear mind as to what qualifications she wishes the person to have. The job was live in, and was mostly baby orientated i.e.: bathing, feeding etc, but some small housework was involved, usually just by being a member of the household as opposed to job title. Karen -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, 18 December 2002 8:54 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] POST NATAL HELP Dear Listers I have a client single mum 1st babe looking for helpwith every thing after babe .any contacts She is birthing in a private hospital in May and lives in Port Melbourne in Victoria jan This is what she wrote "My mom told me that after she gave birth, she had somebody who stayed with her and helped with the baby and the house work and all that. She called this person a nurse maid. I thought that perhaps this would be a doula. But, I've looked on the internet for information on doulas and they seem to be birth partners".HoweverI have you as my birth attendant. ' Who is it who can stay with me and give me after birth support when I get home? Where do I look for this information? Because the biggest thing I seem to be combatting is the isolation, I think this is important to get handled. I spoke to my ob/gyn and she doesn't know much about doulas. Can you tell me how to go about arranging this after birth support.
Re: [ozmidwifery] New Magazine - Natural Parenting
Congratulations to Susan - the more natural, gentle support , the better -its a lovely, supportive mag. Pinky - Original Message - From: barbara glare chris bright To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 1:00 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] New Magazine - Natural Parenting I subscribed to it to, and got my first copy yesterday. It was fabulous. And I recognised quite a few ozmidders in it Love, Barb - Original Message - From: Debby M To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:12 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] New Magazine - Natural Parenting Hi Ladies, I have just received my copy of Susan Stark's new magazine called Natural Parenting. It is an excellent read and promotes natural and self reliant approaches to pregnancy, birth and child rearing. There is also an article in the first one about NMAP and the push for the introduction of more widely supported midwifery services. If you want more info about it Sue has set up a website at www.naturalparenting.com.au. She is also looking for submissions. Myself and a midwife friend are going to be sending in some articles about birth interventions based on evidence based medicine so the readers of the magazine at least have some opportunity to make a truely informed choice - but if any of the rest of you have a particular interest area that you would like to write about with an aim to provide mums and mums to be with information and advice then send your manuscript to Sue - [EMAIL PROTECTED] This magazine is a refreashing alternative to the ones currently available I really hope it takes off. Debby Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] POST NATAL HELP
Hi Alesia Its International Nanny Services - this is off a press release from Louise Dunham - I have heard of families who have been able to access a day and a night nanny in cases of severe PND when husband has to work but mum isnt able to care for baby -its funded through Health and Community Services - as Alesia says Call Louise Dunham 1300 854 624and see if this woman fits the criteria - Louise is accredited to assess - the service is called "in home care" At an infant massage AGM I also heard about maternity funding which apparently can be distributed by maternity hospitals according to certain criteria - a midwife from the country explained how she assessed women o the basis of need and alotted a certain amount of funding which the woman could take in either childcare/ homehelp or meals on wheels. In cases of severe parental illness or disability, some families are eligible for round the clock childcare and may be able to access special funding, known as Exceptional Circumstances Funding i.e. Families who may find themselves in a temporary crisis, due to an illness of either parent or child such as some Post Natal Depression cases. To be eligible for the Government Childcare Rebate, Ms Dunham explains, families must meet one or more of the following criteria: q Families who do not have access to a child care service or whose childcare needs cannot be met by an existing service, including After School Care. q Where a parent/s or the child has a disability /illness. q Families with more than two children under school age. q Parents who work shift work or non-standard hours. q Breast-feeding mothers working from home. q Parent looking for work or studying or employed. q Parent must be an Australian citizen. Otherwise a'Starlight Angel' (love the name) might be a lovely baby gift from a caring grandparent. Pinky - Original Message - From: Alesa Koziol To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] POST NATAL HELP Hi Jan Thiscontactassists women with special needs within their home (although this is not an overnight service): International National Services Melbourne, the contact there is Louise Dunham 1300 854 634. This service is funded through one of the government bodies (cant remember which one) and criteria seems to be: women with exceptional circumstances. Maybe your client will fall into this category, it is worth a try. Special thanks to Pinky for this resource:-) Cheers Alesa Alesa KoziolMidwifery Clinical EducatorMelbourne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 8:53 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] POST NATAL HELP Dear Listers I have a client single mum 1st babe looking for helpwith every thing after babe .any contacts She is birthing in a private hospital in May and lives in Port Melbourne in Victoria jan This is what she wrote "My mom told me that after she gave birth, she had somebody who stayed with her and helped with the baby and the house work and all that. She called this person a nurse maid. I thought that perhaps this would be a doula. But, I've looked on the internet for information on doulas and they seem to be birth partners".HoweverI have you as my birth attendant. ' Who is it who can stay with me and give me after birth support when I get home? Where do I look for this information? Because the biggest thing I seem to be combatting is the isolation, I think this is important to get handled. I spoke to my ob/gyn and she doesn't know much about doulas. Can you tell me how to go about arranging this after birth support.
[ozmidwifery] scared husband
While it might be the truth that no man should deny you the right to birth where you want,speaking from personal experience of ahusband who actually took three babies toeven be present at birth (and only with wonderful collaboration with a great midwife in NZ-who happened to sit him where he couldnt escape except by going under me, then didnt explain when the birth was imminent)-then thereafter for the next 2 births, he was a brilliant support, sometimes it isnt easy to change mensfears.And if these fears are very strong,it isnt so simple as saying "no man has a right" etc. The energyof fear is so pervasive and each person's fear is very real to them - his own mothers pain and loss must have been a powerful influence - who knows what he endured as a child because of this.Sure, talking, listeningand helping him overcome his fearsis important, but sometimnes thesefears are deeper than a partner can reach.Perhaps we can only make the best of what is at hand and work to find our own way . Judgement isnt helpful here. Pinky
Re: [ozmidwifery] art exhibition
Hi Sally, Call Bec on (03) 9758 1608 I dont have any other contacts but I spoke to her re possible sponsors a couple of Days ago. Pinky - Original Message - From: Sally Williams To: Ozmidwifery List Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 4:54 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] art exhibition I was just wondering who to contact with regards to submitting work for this exhibition. Does anyone know? Sally
Re: [ozmidwifery] Broken Hill MidWife
So Aviva, You could be RICH -my kinesiologist charges $80 plus GST for a one hour consult -more than my dentist!! Mind you I would much rather lie there having a gorgeous woman caring for me in serene surroundings, than any dentist with his fingers in my mouth however gorgeous he was - it is not a serene experience - maybe I need kinesiology to dispel my dentalphobia!! One of my best friends who also goes to the same kinesiologist andhas had remarkable results with some long standing issuesis going to have visit to "aquire a husband" - she seems to have a block there!! (her words - I have told her many women would be glad to give her their husbands!!) . Get a shingle for your door darling and offer your services to the rich and desperate (sorry if I sound a bit mercenary but you have very valuable talents and I am sure wealthy clients are just as deserving of your help as everyone else). Pinky - Original Message - From: Aviva Sheb'a To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Broken Hill MidWife Crikey I'm at risk of sounding like a bloody know-it-all here. I qualified in kinesiology before Bowen. Had such good reaction to Bowen I chucked the kinesiology out the window for a while. More recently,when I decided to go back to Active Birth Training, I also decided that whatever works for whichever case is what I'll do. Yes to Bowen, Yes to Kinesiology, Yes to Primal Analytical Stretching, Yes to Vocal Dance, etc. There are lots of wonderful Kinesiologists around. Aviva - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Broken Hill MidWife Mary and Victoria, While nothing can beat a listening ear and some encouragement -and a muzzle around her MIL - any woman can be undermined and traumatised by suchpatronising treatment (Cant we!!)- your GP friendsounds lovely, I find kinesiology wonderful and very quick to dispel physical pain due to emotional stress - It worked miracles for me with a back injury that was related to a pain memory from a car accident - I couldnt for the life of me relate this pain to any physical exertion - the days i had the most severe upper body/ back pain I had "only" been driving around. A session with a kinesiologist (in desperation) cured me immediately -I had an immediateburst of energy and have had no trouble since in 18 months -I hadnt slept properly for 12 months -The kinesiologist explained that due to my injuries every time i put on a car seatbelt it triggered this pain memory - I had not told him about the car accident -I hadnt even connected this -but also my fears about driving and riding as a passenger completely vanished at this time too. Kinesiologyworks directly on the nervous system, is painless and helps the body healitself - To address dyslexia as well (But dont expect a miracle cure),try a kinesiologist who has NET qualifications-I have seen a demonstration on helping to adjust the "gait" reflex -this reflex if still presentcan somehow affect literacy functioning(like other reflexes, it is supposed to disappear in infancy). - I have a little booklet here with alist of Australian practitionersand their various quals. Although kinesiology isnt a miracle cure for dyslexia- my youngest was helped for trauma by kinesiology but his dyslexia has been due to Erlins Syndrome ( www.erlins.com ), a light sensitivity which makes visual processing almost impossible -the print recedes and the white background becomes dominant spilling over words like whiteout spilled onto the page -words appear 3 dimensionally raising off the page/ blurry and moving. He is now reading (at 11!!) with the aid of specially tinted lenses which affect the light frequency. The best thing about kinesiology is that because it works directly on the brain one visit will indicate whether there is any benefit - you dont need weekly appointments. But do be prepared for "stuff" to come up as healing takes place This can take a few hours or a few days but may not happen at all. I hope you find the supportive midwife/ person to talk with this woman - Rhea Dempsey in Melbourne is brilliant -she is a childbirth educator/ birth atendant with a grad dip in counselling and specialises in post birth trauma - (see wounded mothers on my website www.pinky-mychild.com ). Would a phone call to Rhea be helpful? Pinky Pinky - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Broken Hill MidWife Hi, my thoughts flew instantly to The Bowen Method which is most often
Re: [ozmidwifery] art exhibition
Maternity Coalition - an art exhibition celebrating birth - in May at Glen Eira Gallery. Pinky - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 11:15 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] art exhibition Did I miss something about an art exhibition?? I know a fantasic artist in geelong and a few others down the coast who might like to contribute. Love Sally
