Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

One 450m = two 450i in cost (roughly), but delivers 3-4x the throughput based on real-world results. Yes, it *can* talk to 7 SMs in the same frame. But even Cambium said 3-4 is realistic. Maybe 5 in the right conditions. And you don't have to visit a single customer site. And instead of

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

I was saying one direction IS 90 degrees in the "standard tower plan" :) On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:17 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: > how else would you suggest building a tower?!?! > > friends don't let friends use omni's ;-) > > > > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 12:15 AM, Josh Reynolds

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

how else would you suggest building a tower?!?! friends don't let friends use omni's ;-) On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 12:15 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > If you do the standard 4xAP so you can do 2 channels and back to back > frequency reuse, 90 degrees is one direction... > >

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

If you do the standard 4xAP so you can do 2 channels and back to back frequency reuse, 90 degrees is one direction... On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:12 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: > actually you don't want them all in one direction, you want the clients > evenly spread in a 90* swath so

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

actually you don't want them all in one direction, you want the clients evenly spread in a 90* swath so that you can take advantage of the MU-MIMO. we have clients connected out to 8 miles running in 6x (which is 64qam). it actually saves on tower rent because to do the same thing with regular

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

I'm just saying it doesn't make sense, unless all your clients are short range, in all one direction, and tower rent is costly. It's a niche of a niche. (I'm not saying it is a bad product, I'm not saying that at all, I'm just saying it's not the second coming like people make it out to be.) On

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

Then by all means don’t deploy any 450m’s josh. Geeze dude take a chill pill. I’m just stating what I have on my network in a real world environment, earning me real world dollars and conserving much needed spectrum. It’s not the right tool for every situation, BUT under the right conditions

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

Further note: You can see I did those calcs at 1024QAM, so reduce that down the 256QAM for closer to real numbers :) On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 12:42 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > Let's break this down a bit. > > Firstly, what outdoor PTMP platform is really using WiFi anymore?

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

Let's break this down a bit. Firstly, what outdoor PTMP platform is really using WiFi anymore? *shakes head* Mu-MIMO only works if the clients are sufficiently spread apart (physically), and their tx/rx windows can fit into almost the same timeframe. Any degradation in signal of one client that

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

Not everyone uses the Internet at the same time bud. My point is that we have APs with 80 subs on 30mbps package and the sector hasn’t gotten past 80% utilization. Try that with a Wi-Fi based AP in a 20mhz channel. -sean On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 11:15 PM Josh Reynolds

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

You have 2.5G ports on that AP do you? Fascinating. On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 12:12 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: > Being able to load a 450m AP with 80 subs and deliver 30mbps service to all > of them at peak Netflix time in a 20mhz channel without breaking a sweat is > worth every

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

Being able to load a 450m AP with 80 subs and deliver 30mbps service to all of them at peak Netflix time in a 20mhz channel without breaking a sweat is worth every penny. But it’s one tool in the tool box and isn’t the best solution for every deployment. 2 cents -sean On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

The more I dig into MU-MIMO, the more I realize it's not all that great. I am far more excited by the 9 client simultaneous transmissions in 802.11ax via OFDMA. On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 8:00 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > 450 still does a few things that ePMP doesn't. > Plus

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

I am thinking of building an AF11 feed horn for my regular SM reflector dishes... probably not legal to use but cheap. Call it a “test feedhorn”... ;-) But then again, if I am running unlicensed, do I care if I am using legal dishes Hypothetical questions of course... From: Jeff

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

I love the AF-11 for its price point and overall value. It’s a great product to use to build out an 11GHz backbone if you don’t need the speed of the big iron in the immediate future. Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > On Feb 12, 2018,

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

Why not both? They rob themselves and also rob Ubiquiti, but that's better than letting Ubiquiti eat their lunch. -- Original Message -- From: "Steve Jones" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/12/2018 11:09:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp I was given the budget

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

I was given the budget if i wanted it for 450. After alot of consideration i just couldnt justify the 450 cost over epmp. Only a marginal aggregate gain. Mumimopappajohnspizza is so far not hammered snot like it was going to be, and hurt more by interference. Afaik 450 was limited in band as well.

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

Wrong description. They are high value. Build quality is actually pretty good. bp On 2/12/2018 7:20 PM, TJ Trout wrote: af11's are pretty cheap On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 4:19 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists > wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

Long gone. 5150 - 5350 and 5470 - 5850 (with varring power restrictions) 5150 - 5250 is actually the second most powerful band now. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown"

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

Back in the day, the 5.2 band was limited to indoor or low power. Is that limitation gone? From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 6:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp These days you have lots of 5.x ghz to work with. You've got 5.1 through 5.8 minus that

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

https://www.ubnt.com/products/#ufiber On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 7:26 PM, TJ Trout wrote: > Chuck, don't forget to look at the GPON SFP OLT's available probably > cheaper, easier and more efficient than AE these days? > > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Chuck McCown

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

Chuck, don't forget to look at the GPON SFP OLT's available probably cheaper, easier and more efficient than AE these days? On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > I called Mr. Google at home once, at first they wouldn’t let me talk to > him but I explained

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

af11's are pretty cheap On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 4:19 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: > In general, ePMP. > > Jeff Broadwick > CTIconnect > 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office > 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > > On Feb 12, 2018, at

Re: [AFMUG] Viva Entertainment

Well stated Adam but with one modification, Real Choice pricing includes end user support in the price. Layne Sisk ServerPlus 801.426.8283, ext 102 [New logo xl] [http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

More 25 subs per access point. Anywhere from 3mbit to 20mbit. Average user with kids and that usually goes with the 10mbit plan. Don't mistake it. It's definitely a wifi based radio. It works well for us though. If we had the sort of density to warrant the 450 product line and 450M... I'm

Re: [AFMUG] Government Money

Dunno. In our NY State grants there's supposed to be competition for the funding, so you are trying to get $/household at the right level where you have enough to complete the project, but you're also better looking than another applicant. Sometimes there isn't enough competition for it to

Re: [AFMUG] Government Money

Maybe I’m wrong. But if cost, but not ROI was the denominator, would you want to compromise on ‘2nd best’ system? They typically have bigger pockets... Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Feb 12, 2018, at 9:02 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > This is the second

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

But they work like crap a few feet apart when you're stuck in one rad center due to lack of front-end filtering and/or sync. On 2/12/2018 7:50 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: These days you have lots of 5.x ghz to work with.  You've got 5.1 through 5.8 minus that chunk of TDWR that they took out of

[AFMUG] Government Money

This is the second comment today along these lines. Why would I want to spend more if there's government funding? -- Original Message -- From: "Jon Langeler" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/12/2018 8:58:41 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp Got ya. If he’s starting

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

450 still does a few things that ePMP doesn't. Plus there's that 14 chain MU-MIMO thing..ePMP will probably never have something like that. UI is still sluggish on ePMP. On the other hand ePMP has gotten so many feature improvements over these past few years that it's gotten really hard

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

Got ya. If he’s starting fresh, check out Mimosa also. Also consider AF11fx for backhaul at some point. I’m not sure I would recommend 450 unless it’s a government funded situation. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Feb 12, 2018, at 6:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

[AFMUG] Que pinchi suerte

Oye Gino, que nuevas mamadas les paso otra vez con hece fuego en la estacion! No se como los inutiles en la casa blanca pueden ser tan desmadrosos..sigo rezando por todos en la Isla. .animo amigo...un saludo y abrazo. Jaime Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

Epmp Jaime Solorza On Feb 12, 2018 5:19 PM, "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" wrote: > In general, ePMP. > > Jeff Broadwick > CTIconnect > 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office > 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > > On Feb 12, 2018, at 7:08 PM, Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

These days you have lots of 5.x ghz to work with. You've got 5.1 through 5.8 minus that chunk of TDWR that they took out of the middle. Any products will coexist when you have that much room to spread them around. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" To:

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

The UI server was probably the worst I have ever seen. So, less than 25 subs per site, what speed packages do you sell to those 25? Packetflux GPS sync. From: Joe Novak Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp What didn't you like about it?

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

I would use ePMP. 450 is nice stuff, but I just can't see how I would justify the cost over ePMP for something like that. It'll co-exist with an AF-5x link just fine, as long as there's enough frequency separation. Ideally, you just use the 5.15-5.25ghz range for one, and 5.8ghz for the other...

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

How much bandwidth do you have to provide to the clients? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 5:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp What didn't you like about it? The interface came a long way since the early days

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

What didn't you like about it? The interface came a long way since the early days of EPMP. We've got quite a bit deployed. A lot of people are having weird GPS situations come up with the on-board GPS, we have this problem once in a while too. Our packetflux sites are rock solid though. That is

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

In general, ePMP. Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > On Feb 12, 2018, at 7:08 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > So if y’all were helping a friend would you recommend 450 or ePMP? > > I doubt he will ever have more than 50

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

50 customers over a cluster of 3-4APs? ePMP 2000 for sure. On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 7:08 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > So if y’all were helping a friend would you recommend 450 or ePMP? > > I doubt he will ever have more than 50 customers. > > I have not had much experience with

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

I separated frequencies to three I found cleanest on AFx5s...On Rockets and Powerbeams I choose one frequency and shut off the rest on APs and on PowerBeams I only use two...this method has worked well since August of 2017 when I replaced all the radios on this network and have had to change them

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

So if y’all were helping a friend would you recommend 450 or ePMP? I doubt he will ever have more than 50 customers. I have not had much experience with ePMP in the last 4 years. I didn’t like it when it first came out. From: Joe Novak Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:56 PM To:

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

We have a few towers with AF5x and Cambium EPMP co-existing. Some have vertical separation, some are grain elevators. Just gotta have some frequency separation. I really like them. Latency under load is good, it's a purpose built radio and I think it serves it's purpose well. If he has the option

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Title: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT Gerard, Not going to argue about that.  But there were several factors on our zhone equipment decision.  The main factor was when we started several years ago, those super cheap options didn't exist.  Not to mention we didn't have time to experiment.  A

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

Two AF5x on same tower, One AP on second tower 20 ft away...all other radios within 4 mile radius... Jaime Solorza On Feb 12, 2018 4:43 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > All on the same tower, right? > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 4:41 PM > *To:*

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

I never use an AF5X anywhere. I used Orthogon when they first came out and had good luck. From: Jon Langeler Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp He’ll need some frequency separation. Hey I thought you would’ve know all this stuff a long

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

He’ll need some frequency separation. Hey I thought you would’ve know all this stuff a long time ago? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Feb 12, 2018, at 6:43 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > All on the same tower, right? > > From: Jaime Solorza > Sent: Monday,

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

All on the same tower, right? From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:41 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp Yes..I have two AF5X links as PTP and 25 radios all in 5 GHz off 4 APs in Fabens, Texas sharing spectrum with 3 WISPs...no issues... Jaime Solorza On Feb

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

Yes..I have two AF5X links as PTP and 25 radios all in 5 GHz off 4 APs in Fabens, Texas sharing spectrum with 3 WISPs...no issues... Jaime Solorza On Feb 12, 2018 4:32 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > Talking to a friend that wants to build a small wisp. He is about 5.5 > miles

[AFMUG] mini wisp

Talking to a friend that wants to build a small wisp. He is about 5.5 miles from a backbone connection. I would suggest AF5X to him but he is gonna want to use 5 GHz for his wisp I presume. Can an AF5X and some 5 GHz cambium (or others) access points peacefully coexist on a tower? Very

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Mark, I'm willing to bet that ZTE or Huawei has more installed units than Zhone does by several orders of magnitude. Plus with the prices so cheap you can afford to have spares of everything. Chuck, I didn't see your detailed numbers for the AE deployment. What equipment are you using for that?

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLTIt is $65 vs my $100 for AE. So I have to spend $35 more. But I get AE. And AE is much simpler. Arguably better too. There is so much cost in construction saving $35/customer is getting into that region of diminishing returns. Perhaps in a year I may change

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

This is my trace route to 8.8.8.8 by the way C:\Users\Sterling>tracert 8.8.8.8 Tracing route to google-public-dns-a.google.com [8.8.8.8] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1<1 ms<1 ms<1 ms 108-165-31-1.avative.net [108.165.31.1] 2<1 ms<1 ms<1 ms

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

Seconding pretty much everything Dennis just said. One additional thing to consider: Having access to debug-level log files for every DNS query can be one quick and highly effective method of identifying an individual customer/CPE that has something virus/worm/trojan compromised on their home

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Chuck, Yeah, We have 6 OLT's and a few hundred ONU's online. I know of several other operators using the same setup now too. It's stable and just works. The OLT hardware feels solid and quality made unlike some of the other 1U OLT's we've tried. You can even get an outdoor cabinet made for them

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Title: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT Chuck, But do you really need to get the cost down that low?  I will admit and most people on this list that know me will agree, I'm a cheap SOB.  But, there is a point where it is worth paying a bit more up front in order to sleep better at night. -- Best

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

I called Mr. Google at home once, at first they wouldn’t let me talk to him but I explained that our DNS was very slow, finally his housekeeper took the wireless phone out to the pool and he took a few minutes to listen to me. I wasn’t sure he was really listening to my bitching but it started

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

10-4 +1 I have always had 3 DNS servers to have influence on. I found that things do move quickly when using our dns and populate much more reliably. I have never used mikrotik to do a recursive dns so I dont know real world cpu hits. On 02/12/2018 04:35 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: I

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

I would not state that 8.8.8.8 or any of the public DNS servers out there that state that you can use their DNS servers are bad. However, think of these two issues: 1.What happens when that DNS server returns answers (still responds), just it takes 6000 ms to do so. ? Who do you

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

Stop that. https://2rdrtx4bt29lo91s31mjhkji-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/newspaper-rolled-up-as-a-weapon.jpg - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Jon Langeler"

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

It will work fine. Use a 2nd diverse as well... Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Feb 12, 2018, at 3:02 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > Guess I don’t need DNS. 8.8.8.8 seems cheap and easy... > > From: Chuck McCown > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:59 PM > To:

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

I will listen to Dennis and most likely do what he recommends which will probably incorporate your suggestions and what Sterling suggested. If the rack space at the data center is free, I will put them and whatever servers are needed there. If not it goes in that snow covered box on the side

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

That is some scary Bernie Madoff type of pricing. You are using this now? From: Gerard Dupont Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT Here's some pricing based on Chinese ZTE with no real support. ZTE F601 Indoor ONU 1 GE port. $24

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

CCR I think would do the trick but I would have 2 for fail over Or I would do a PowerV4 from linktechs with failover ccr1236 Let the mikrotiks handle your nat and DHCP DNS I would do on a x86 box On 02/12/2018 01:59 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Had a subdivision developer contact me, wanting service

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

*chuckles* see? i do read a lot of what you post, even if i don't always reply... :) - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box *waves* - Mike Hammett Intelligent

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

*waves* - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 3:31:15 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

hahah...told ya - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box Don't do that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

oh god. don't let Mike Hammett or about half of the people on facebook hear you say that LOL Hi Mike! - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box Guess I don’t need DNS. 8.8.8.8

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Here's some pricing based on Chinese ZTE with no real support. ZTE F601 Indoor ONU 1 GE port. $24 http://sweetplaza.com/zte- gpon-terminal-ont-zxa10-f601-or-zxhn-f601-ftth-or-ftto- gpon-onu-with-one-ethernet-port-smaller-size_p1013.html ZTE F623 Indoor ONU 1GE 3FE 1POTS $29

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

Nobody has observed yet that it's a high risk to rely on a 3rd party's free service, no matter what it is, to provide an essential service to your customers? Nobody remembers 10+ years ago when a bunch of people all over the world had a certain Level3 DNS server IP address configured into their

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

Thanks Sterling. I am getting a bit more serious now. Starting to spend money. I just asked the DIA provider of they will throw in some rack space. They said they would. Hopefully battery backed up –48vdc will be supplied as part of the rack. So the only thing I have to put out in the snow

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

File Save Save as file From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box I think that was me you asked about those three items. AND we still use 8.8.8.8 DNS resolvers. I know, it’s bad, but one of my upstreams is directly

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

If 8.8.8.8 isn't available to the closest node as a local network, you're not using it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Sterling Jacobson" To: af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

I think that was me you asked about those three items. AND we still use 8.8.8.8 DNS resolvers. I know, it’s bad, but one of my upstreams is directly on Google CDN so it ‘applies’. I do like redundancy though. So if you use one CCR, get two of them for your project, they are relatively cheap.

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

It is. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:49:02 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box It was

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

It was observed in the past that using OpenDNS or GoogleDNS you could get slower performance from CDN's. I can't swear that's still a thing. 4)Do I really care where the DNS is geographically?

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

If the IP transit provider can sell you 500 or 1000 Mbps IP, what would prevent them in the topology of their network from building a circuit as L2 transport back to a gigE handoff at your existing network? They have footprint in the new possible territory but not where you're currently located?

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

A resolver with different upstreams won't help you. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: "af" Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:39:54

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

Yep, simple, we can sell them everything they need if needed. We have outdoor boxes, switches, you name it. ☺ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box Only issue I know of is that

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

I would too, but it is too far away from any NOC I can use. From: Josh Baird Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 1:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box Transport may still be an option depending on the price. I'd much rather treat this as another POP and manage these types

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

OK to answer a handful of questions from this thread. 1)This turf is a long way away from all my other stuff, so I don’t want to actually build a building over there. Nice to get in out of the rain when you are doing onsite but it it is built correctly it can be either remotely managed or

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

Transport may still be an option depending on the price. I'd much rather treat this as another POP and manage these types of core services at my NOC/core rather than having a totally separate network. Just my opinion. On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 3:33 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > No,

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

Only issue I know of is that if you turn on the DNS server, then it's an open resolver by default. You have to add a firewall rule(s) to protect it. Someone who went in not realizing that would have a problem. I never used the Mikrotik DNS on a large scale, so it could have practical limits

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

No, it isn’t. Many miles away. From: Josh Baird Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 1:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box Is this in your service area? Could you just get transport/backhaul back to your NOC and provide all of these services there? On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLTAnd regulatory requirement. Actually the FCC is relaxing the 8 hours battery backup requirement. We may be able to charge the customer for UPS capability at some point. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 1:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

Mikrotik is like a swiss army knife. It does all those things, but it's weaker at all of them than the proper tool is. It would absolutely work though. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/12/2018 2:59:22 PM Subject: [AFMUG] ISP in a

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

A CCR could certainly do DHCP and NAT... I seem to remember there being some reason that made using Mikrotik for a DNS server a bad idea, but it would be capable of doing that too. It doesn't take much to run a DNS server, so it might not be a bad idea to stick some kind of a little server in

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

I think the big one is you can get CDN servers near wherever 8.8.8.8 lives instead of ones near where you really are. -- Original Message -- From: "Eric Kuhnke" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/12/2018 3:05:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box I can't even begin to

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

powercode is ideal for this, just FYI (i dont know about fiber stuffs) On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > I can't even begin to enumerate why this is wrong and you will regret it > later. I'm sure others will go into more detail why. If you don't run a

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

I can't even begin to enumerate why this is wrong and you will regret it later. I'm sure others will go into more detail why. If you don't run a pair of geographically distributed recursive caching resolvers for DIA/IP customers, it is in my opinion not a real ISP. On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:02

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

Don't do that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:02:05 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

Is this in your service area? Could you just get transport/backhaul back to your NOC and provide all of these services there? On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Had a subdivision developer contact me, wanting service for their hundred > or so homes. > I can

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

I would do it with one x86-64 server running xen or KVM on a recent Linux distribution, and then various VMs for services like recursive DNS resolver, dhcp daemon, etc. 1GbE link with vlan trunk and tagged traffic to the CCR would be sufficient. You do plan on giving the residential customers a

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

ah I see. For telephone reliability? -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/12/2018 3:00:39 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT Nope. It is a requirement for regulated areas, not so for unregulated areas. From:Adam Moffett Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

Guess I don’t need DNS. 8.8.8.8 seems cheap and easy... From: Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ISP in a box Had a subdivision developer contact me, wanting service for their hundred or so homes. I can get DIA close to the area at a

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLTNope. It is a requirement for regulated areas, not so for unregulated areas. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:53 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT There's a UPS included in the parts list for PON setup. Not included on

[AFMUG] ISP in a box

Had a subdivision developer contact me, wanting service for their hundred or so homes. I can get DIA close to the area at a reasonable area. It will require some build but that is OK, that is something I feel some level of expertise. Considering a minimal NOC build. I asked this

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

There's a UPS included in the parts list for PON setup. Not included on AE? -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/12/2018 2:50:00 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT $100/house for AE You pay for the splitters that fit the

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT$100/house for AE You pay for the splitters that fit the cabinet and cross box. Some cost more than others depending on the sheet metal. From: Mark - Myakka Technologies Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:44 PM To: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Title: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT Chuck, What would you house total be for AE?  Also $900 for 1x32 splitter, you need to find a better vendor.  The bare end PLC's are $14 the fancy connectorized ones are $40 at fs.com.  $11K for a 8 port card and $845 for a Laser, that's why we didn't/couldn't

  1   2   >