nvironmentalist"?
To me the use of labels often carry bias and not information.
The real meaning is "people the culture disagrees with"
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of the information i'm
finding is new to me and i thought someone else might enjoy it
also. I'll write up a summary in a few days.
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to change thinking, one is E-prime and the
is called Lojban. The most interesting thing i found was that each
branch of science has its own version of "the map is not the territory"
and each thinks it is a different concept. If anyone is interested in
this there is an essay which identifies a
the parent, but
the apple has too much diversity built in its seed. All three trees
produced edible fruit.
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symbol and not a type
of apple. Some packers will can any red apple that looks
like a delicious type by the name "red delicious".
If you want good apples i guess the answer is to plant a few
trees.
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bio-filter and then the result is used
to grow nearby plants. I suspect this might be necessary in desert
regions, but not here. The rain leaches the salt out and the low temp's
and good drainage eliminate any unwanted life forms.
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u
Roman slave.
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Appliance Efficiency Database -
This database lists appliances "which exceed California and Federal
appliance efficiency standards." Includes refrigerators, freezers,
air conditioners, heat pumps, and central gas furnaces. Also, the files
for all appliances certified by the California Energy
s
our role to be abusive and obnoxious grin.
Some other advantages of blueberries are:
1. Long lived and hardy
2. Easy to prune (we seldom prune)
3. Bug free (our only problem is birds)
4. Low growing, attractive, landscape plant
5. Reliable production of berries
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This newsletter may be of interest if you live in Oregon. It is a local
farm related group.. jeff
January 2002
Dear Food Alliance friends,
Welcome to the January issue of Growing Solutions, The Food Alliance's
bi-monthly newsletter.
This newsletter is our paper
Thanks to jacqui for the following:
Announcing the launch of the:
FAR NORTH ENVIRONMENT NEWSLETTER
Think globally, act locally
The purpose of this newsletter is to keep people informed about =
environmental matters in the Far North.
for tomatoes
These plant indicators do not work in all climates
but they are probably better than using most other
methods Occasionally, the plants are fooled by
late frosts and unusual weather
jeff
with their cycles
the end of the article had a ponter to:
wwworganicgardeningcom
jeff
it. -- Stanley Garn
This tells us our view of nature is dictated
by our cultlure.
Still, i agree with the Center for Ecoliteracy.
We need to move nature away from textbooks,
and media presentation towards hands on experience.
Nature involves lots of dirt and dirt ins't found
in textbooks.
jeff
What is the origion of todays strawberries?
One might think they are natural but
they are believed to be two American
varieties crossed in France about 1750.
Are pears and apples from Europe or America?
Actually they were breed before recorded
history and have their roots in Asia.
and
attitudes so i would like to think this is true.
jeff (planned to garden today but stepped out into a world of white this
morning. snow, snow, and more snow)
some adventure to life.
jeff
ecomomic
interests in most of todays conflicts and issues?
jeff
interesting about all this is
the Honda civic HX. It appears to be a standard
vehicle with automatic transmition that gets
good milage?
Note: diesel engines get good milage but were not
included. There is a pollution issue with diesel
at present.
jeff
? Maybe 25 feet?
The book goes on to describe about a hundred trees
including cedar, pine, spruce, and hemlock.
jeff
and continued development. Every perchase we
make has an impact. Our air and water pollution reaches
everywhere and growth constantly eats away at natural habitat.
with that happy note trudge off into the woods muttering. grin
jeff
Gene GeRue wrote:
Still, i agree with the Center for Ecoliteracy
in Cuba
when the US applied its embargo. They kept the old cars running for
the next 20 years.
jeff (thinking about spring and sun warmed earth)
talking about a
storm headed this way. It will hit just as Julie has her annual fiber sale
at the local grange. Sigh...
jeff (preparing to sweep snow off the greenhouses)
. You can pick just about any
issue and adopt a fixed viewpoint (absolute thinking). This
is easy but it doesn't fit our world and it creates problems.
jeff
How did Gandhi view ecology? find out here:
http://meadev.nic.in/Gandhi/ecology.htm
A web site called: Encyclopedia of Sustainable Development
http://www.doc.mmu.ac.uk/aric.esd/Earth/Environmental_Movement.html
It might be useful as a reference and to check one's definitions.
jeff
to involve others. Mention this to
neighbors and those close.
jeff
.
jeff
of straws.
If everything goes as planned the bees pollinate flowers all spring
and then fill the straws with next years bees. This continues to
expand until predator wasps or available flowers limit their
population. So far our are still expanding.
jeff
I didn't see Harvey's message appear on ecopath so sent along
another copy. Sorry if this is a duplicate jeff
-- Forwarded Message --
Subject: Re: money
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:19:07 -0500
From: Harvey Tjader [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED
Of all the memberships we identify ourselves by
(racial, ethnic, sexual, national, class, age, religious
occupational) the one that is most forgotten, and that
has the greatest potential for healing, is place. We
must learn to know, love, and join our place even more
than we love our own ideas.
On Saturday 13 April 2002 03:46 pm, you wrote:
Jeff:
Of all the memberships we identify ourselves by
(racial, ethnic, sexual, national, class, age, religious
occupational) the one that is most forgotten, and that
has the greatest potential for healing, is place. . . . Gary Snyder
preceding.
It does appear that change has been painful.
When i become world ruler i'm going to invent a process oriented society
that can change with minimal pain. It will also have new checks and
balances to keep any segment from becoming too powerful. Sure..
jeff (planted scalions in the rain today
not see this project to the end, but
caring for these trees has been worth the time. The sad news is
that we may need to sell all this and it will be like losing a
good friend.
jeff
with education,
or small experiments. In other areas i have accepted natures design.
Sometimes it is all i can do to keep up with natures growth and local
regulations. Things change and we humans are not all that smart. If we
were smart this world would not have so many problems.
jeff - http
On Thursday 18 April 2002 10:04 am, Harvey Tjader wrote:
I was a bit surprised to learn you are a forester. I am also a member of
both the forester and the tree hugger camp. I think back to the first
Earth Day when assessing my decision to become a forester. I thought then
that society has
regular health checks
10. Stay in contact with friends.
These were extracted from the book of lists. They probably
will not ensure anyones happiness, but they may be useful
as the foundation and as a check list. How did you do?
jeff
scared to face
reality?
jeff (hopes global warming forces the world to wake up
and stop acting like greedy idiots)
of Allternative energy information
http://www.solaraccess.com
Great educational site
http://www.crest.org
Free CD Rom on energy from Austria?
http://www.esv.or.at
Payback calculator for alternative energy systems
http://www.consumerenergycenter.org
jeff - http://www.bctonline.com/users/jko
suffering and may eventually destroy us.
jeff (going to Costco today for some shopping, yeah I'm
part of the problem)
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that nature has its share of tooth and claw
plus survival of the fittest, but what about hate?
propaganda, distortions, and destruction of nature
itself. All these things are mostly unorganized and
self limiting.
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Walla onions produce these are our
favorite. All i do is stick a few left over bulbs in the ground
each year and next years crop magically appears.
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then the environment becomes everyones problem. Just
as it should have been all along.
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, and
recycled items.
Anyone living near Estacada Oregon, come on by and
say hi.
jeff owens
bad jokes. We get a glimpse of what
community can be and wish the world was different.
jeff
PS. here is one definition of a small farmer.
A small farmer works with a piece of land to support
a family. The land includes a diverse set of crops
to minimize risk and help provide food
and
this evolved into voluntary simplicity. He now appears
to be looking at the internet and other ways of approaching
earth care.
jeff
of strange houses glowing in the dark.
jeff
Fear of Politics
All my favorite discussion lists bump into politics occasionally.
It just hapened on an agriculture list and separated into the
following opinion sets:
1. Politics should not be discussed on ag lists.
2. Politics impacts agriculture and needs discussion.
3. Capitalism is the
information would be interesting.
jeff
g by
years of product advertizements. Once everyone experiences
the quiet operation and quality in an efficient frig it is
difficult to feel deprived.
jeff
Eco Tools
What would you do with this question: What are your
most used eco-tools?
There isn't one answer we can all agree on. I'm not even sure
my answers will be the same tomorrow. The benefit of trying
to answer this question is in exploring ourselves and how
we view the world. It gives
Definitions
To a large extent language and definitions control our
thinking. We can play with words and sometimes move our
thinking into new areas or change our life. It isn't
necessary that our definitions be absolute truths, only
that they move us in a desired direction. Anyway, here
are
I've started writing a description of a simple solar house which
is easy to build and somewhat non-conventional. It is getting
a bit long, so don't know if i will post it, but another man by
the name of Nick Pine has been promoting the same idea for a few
years. He enjoys jumping on the
jeff:
Part of the reason for using plants is to avoid this constant air change.
Huh...where did you get this from? You could never put enough plants in
your bathroom, kitchen etc. to make that work. Sure you can have an
outhouse...but many of us are not willing to go that far..especially
other lists.
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, and participates in
general in today's society is a part of the problem.
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anies want to own and control it. What do we
want?
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ic has been explored completely, learning never ends.
Conclusion: Life does not have conclusions it is ongoing. Ethics
questions do not have simple answers, they are an ongoing process.
These words may be worthless also, they are crude attempts to share
ideas which are imperfect.
--
Jeff Owe
The following message arrived by email today. I can see that it
has a good intent, but wonder why few people talk about the forest.
Seems they always worry about the trees and never acknowledge that
we need to worry about the forest. Anyway here is the message:
Check the ingredients
ility all appear
to be ongoing processes that are closely intertwined.
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outside cities may be good
places to avoid in the future. And of course my favorite
conclusion: the future will be strongly infulenced by energy,
it will be useful to understand how it impacts our lives.
--
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spread in the crop
row.
Conclusion: Using local university web searches can be useful.
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I finally got around to mentioning ecopath on a few
newsgroups and we have picked up a few new people...
At present the list is about a year old and consists of
occasional discussion periods with me (jeff) providing
constant posts on different topics. Two topics coming up are
cooking
Simple Living
One of my favorite ways to view the world is provided by
Permaculture. It is a philosophy that can grow and move towards
sustainability. Although, at times i think some ideas have
stopped growing and have not reached out to urban dwellers
effectively. Many Permaculture teachers
and not
assume they were a master.
The point is: we are both master and student. We are both knowledgable
and ignorant. We should question everyone and expect everyone
to question us. We are all teachers and we are all students.
I know Jeff likes the topics of communication and language,
so I expect
What clues do we have about a natural day? In other words,
what does our body anticipate about our daily activities?
Here are some clues:
7am: Protect your immune system
The first hour after waking in the morning is the time when the
immune system is at its lowest ebb, and the cells that
.
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garden book this is a big step toward
sustainable thinking and is highly recommended. The emphasis
on record keeping and sample charts looks useful as does
the discussion on growing your own compost.
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I would probably avoid the cinder block method, myself. For one thing, I don't
know what they're actually made of, or if there may be some contaminants from
the firing process. If you're interested in going with a preformed block, I'd
suggest looking into something like Faswall, which
the consumables associated with
curing and food processing.
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Yesterday we put up the frame for a large tipi. It is about 20
feet high and went up in just a few minutes. The whole process
was so easy i wonder why we have not done this in the past. The
only question now is why did we do it. The original excuse was
to provide a support for some vines this
stic. You need to add some suffering.
How about...
Live, Love, Suffer, Learn, Die. If you are able
to laugh along the way then treasure it.
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ry culture and
have to balance the two sets of ethics. It's OK to do this
but lets recognize what we are doing and do it deliberately.
jeff
in giving all
to what is present -Albert Camus
We look backward too much and we look forward
too much, thus we miss the only eternity of which
we can be absolutely sure -- the eternal present, for
it is always now. -- William Phelps
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Jeff Owens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Zo
nd a forest
make good examples. I suppose economics could
fit here also." from Jeff Owen's original query.
BY DAN HEMENWAY
Permaculture emulates ecosystem design principles to design
provision of human needs and amenities: food, water, shelter,
energy, income, community, a
can scream together. What key do you scream in. We
can start a band maybe?
jeff
a different viewpoint and the
Design Manual seems to be all Mollisons creation.
Comments on the contents? Other areas which are ignored by the
Design Manual? Thoughts about the difference between a course
and a discussion?
jeff
Eric wrote in response to my "Just do it":
This begs the question, "Do what?" Jeff has spent a lot of
time thinking and looking into sustainability which may
make "it" more obvious. Someone else's "it" might be
building a spacecraft to carry
be represented by the
results of a design or is the act of designing what we want to
focus on?
Hi Jeff,
In response to getting a new thread going - Thanks for the idea of working
through the chapters within this forum -
I'm really hoping for some good 'ol dirt-under-the-nails type stuff
and measure?
If Pc is mostly process then is it a fixed process or an adapting
process? Another way to ask this question: Is earth care a fixed
response or an on going adaption.
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The use of charcoal isn't discussed in most eco oriented
magazines for some reason. I think it is viewed as too much
work and not ecological. Some energy is lost when going from
wood to charcoal and the process does require a lot of
wood handling.
This begs the question; why do some cultures
Notes and ideas from magazines and other sources which
sounded interesting.
1. Birds can be kept away from fruit by spraying the
with sugar water. The sucrose can't be digested
by birds and they soon avoid it.
2. Slugs avoid sage plants and new sprouts can be protected
by saving sage
The following is a definition of Deep Ecology taken from the
Deep Ecology discussion list. Originally posted by:
Julie Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What is DEEP ECOLOGY?
Deep Ecology is a holistic approach to facing world problems
that brings together thinking, feeling, spirituality
.
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tures make it easy to view
Pc as a few techniques and miss the point.
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and knowing when each grass was introduced to the area.
Forest areas that have not been logged will be grass free. If
you find old pasture grasses then logging occurred about a 100
years ago. Of course, the stumps also tell a story grin.
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Language and sustainable dialog are possibly the most
important component of community. Everything thing from
education to problem solving are tied to this topic.
Unfortunatly, information is minimal and some of it uses
academic speak. The following URL has lots of information
on
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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:55:34 -0400
From: Island Press [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: ECO-COMPASS, 6/10/99--Redefining the American Dream
REDEFINING THE AMERICAN DREAM:
Our Consuming Desires and the Quest for a More Sustainable Society
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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:01:28 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: CREST News Volume 2, #5
Greetings
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Yes summer is here, and all of us at CREST
health.
I read a few days ago where they can use high altitude pictures
to detect lichen in forest areas and this is now being used to
measure air pollution. The sad part is that most people don't
think lichen are important.
jeff
problem grin).
At present the list is about a year old and consists of
occasional discussion periods with me (jeff) providing
constant posts on different topics. There is a web page with
some philosophy but the essence is in the posting guidelines
which follow.
http://www.teleport.com/~kowens
domination.
Population Small Family Less pressure to produce
income. More time for
self and worthy causes.
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Web pages talking about mixing pasture and trees.
The Biology of Agrosilvopastoralism, NAC Note,
http://www.unl.edu/nac/pubs/afnotes/afnsil2.htm
40 Years of Agrosilvopastoral Experience in Western Oregon.
http://www.unl.edu/nac/pubs/aug94/silvo.htm
Silvopasture examples from the
, all
this is just temporary. Soon the trees will grow and shade
the grass. This will require adjustments and the our on going
dance with nature will require new music.
jeff (grass hunter gatherer)
dialogue, but about
creating a meaningful, multi-dimensional communication.
I like that...
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found was a free 3 day course. Maybe
they are in the process of revising this site? If anyone
has time to take this course it would be fun to hear their
comments.
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pathogens and helps spread
them. This thinking eventually leads to a new model
for sustainable society.
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in consumerism. To some extent the Ladakh lifestyle is forced
by nature and we will have to find our own path.
For me the important lessons from Ladakh are attitudes about
conservation and ways to construct society. Skills, science,
and information are not that important.
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in a summary?
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