Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 25 Feb 2020, at 12:43, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 10:26 PM Bruno Marchal <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: > On 24 Feb 2020, at 23:22, Bruce Kellett <mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 12:10 AM Bruno

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 25 Feb 2020, at 23:26, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/25/2020 8:53 AM, smitra wrote: >> On 22-02-2020 01:20, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: >>> On 2/21/2020 4:00 PM, smitra wrote: On 16-02-2020 05:48, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: >>

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 25 Feb 2020, at 22:24, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/25/2020 4:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 24 Feb 2020, at 03:29, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> >> <mailto:everything

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 25 Feb 2020, at 21:58, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/25/2020 3:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 24 Feb 2020, at 03:43, Alan Grayson >> <mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> &g

Re: Randomness of quantum processes and computability

> On 25 Feb 2020, at 09:23, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 9:06:45 PM UTC-7, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 6:55:59 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 24 Feb 2020, at 05:44, Alan Grayson > wrote

Re: Randomness of quantum processes and computability

> On 25 Feb 2020, at 05:06, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 6:55:59 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 24 Feb 2020, at 05:44, Alan Grayson > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 5:08

Re: Randomness of quantum processes and computability

> On 24 Feb 2020, at 21:19, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 8:40 AM Bruno Marchal <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: > > >> a Halting oracle produces paradoxes, > > > I don’t see why you say this. > > I have a halting oracle machi

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 24 Feb 2020, at 11:56, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 7:47:41 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 22 Feb 2020, at 18:40, PGC > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 1:55:39 PM UTC+1, Bruno

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 24 Feb 2020, at 05:47, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/23/2020 6:43 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 7:29:26 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 2/23/2020 6:17 AM,

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 24 Feb 2020, at 03:29, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/23/2020 6:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 23 Feb 2020, at 01:12, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> >> <mailto:everything

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 24 Feb 2020, at 02:17, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/23/2020 4:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 20 Feb 2020, at 22:24, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> wrote: >>> >>> >&

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 25 Feb 2020, at 09:18, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 8:13:25 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > On 2/24/2020 6:28 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 6:24:12 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 2/24/2020 4:50 PM, Alan Grayson wrote

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 25 Feb 2020, at 01:50, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 9:47:36 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > On 2/23/2020 6:43 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 7:29:26 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 24 Feb 2020, at 03:43, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 7:29:26 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > On 2/23/2020 6:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 23 Feb 2020, at 01:12, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 24 Feb 2020, at 23:22, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 12:10 AM Bruno Marchal <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: > On 23 Feb 2020, at 23:49, Bruce Kellett <mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 12:21 AM Bruno

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 24 Feb 2020, at 23:12, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 11:29 PM Bruno Marchal <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: > On 23 Feb 2020, at 23:25, Bruce Kellett <mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 12:00 AM Bruno

Re: Randomness of quantum processes and computability

> On 24 Feb 2020, at 05:44, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 5:08:16 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 21 Feb 2020, at 14:25, Alan Grayson > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 3:40

Re: Randomness of quantum processes and computability

> On 23 Feb 2020, at 14:34, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 7:12 AM Bruno Marchal <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: > > > The BB is computable already with the Halting oracle > > But a Halting oracle produces paradoxes, I don’t see why yo

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 23 Feb 2020, at 23:49, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 12:21 AM Bruno Marchal <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: > On 23 Feb 2020, at 04:11, Bruce Kellett <mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> I don't really und

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 23 Feb 2020, at 23:40, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 12:07 AM Bruno Marchal <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: > On 22 Feb 2020, at 23:10, Bruce Kellett <mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> The arguments that I have developed

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 23 Feb 2020, at 23:36, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 11:36 PM Bruno Marchal <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: > On 21 Feb 2020, at 11:41, Bruce Kellett <mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 9:30 PM Bruno

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 23 Feb 2020, at 23:25, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 12:00 AM Bruno Marchal <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: > On 22 Feb 2020, at 05:37, Bruce Kellett <mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> I am not sure that I comp

Re: The Science of Consciousness 2020 (conference abstracts)

> On 22 Feb 2020, at 12:48, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On Sat, 22 Feb 2020 at 3:37 pm, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > Interesting attempt at analyzing Bruno's WM thought experiment. > https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1906

Re: The Science of Consciousness 2020 (conference abstracts)

> On 22 Feb 2020, at 05:37, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > Interesting attempt at analyzing Bruno's WM thought experiment. > https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1906/1906.10177.pdf > > I don't find it convincing, but it

Re: Powerful antibiotics discovered using AI

> On 22 Feb 2020, at 09:26, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > Example: > > > Here is the code for the Standard Model. What if it were 1 times bigger? It would be 1 times more an indication that we miss the theory, or it could mean that the history measure in arithmetic is very complicat

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 23 Feb 2020, at 01:12, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/22/2020 3:52 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 10:40:12 AM UTC-7, PGC wrote: >> >> >> On Thursday, Februa

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 23 Feb 2020, at 00:52, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 10:40:12 AM UTC-7, PGC wrote: > > > On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 1:55:39 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 20 Feb 2020, at 01:20, 'Brent M

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 22 Feb 2020, at 18:40, PGC wrote: > > > > On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 1:55:39 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 20 Feb 2020, at 01:20, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/19/2

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:58, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > It is not so simple. Language as with any symbolic system is incomplete. Yes, but with first order logic, we get at least that what is provable is satisfied in all models (soundness), and vice versa (completeness). Then incompletene

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 20 Feb 2020, at 12:50, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > Daniel Dennett said that Alan Turing gave us the computer and Wittgenstein > gave us Wittgenstein. Though to be fair Wittgenstein did point to how > language has this inherent aspect of ambiguity, though his mission was to try > to re

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 23 Feb 2020, at 07:04, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/22/2020 9:50 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 4:30 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> >> wrote: >> On 2/22/2020 7:11 PM, Bruce Kellett wrot

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 23 Feb 2020, at 04:11, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 10:56 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > On 2/22/2020 2:39 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 9:23 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> m

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 22 Feb 2020, at 23:10, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 7:17 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > On 2/21/2020 10:31 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 4:50 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> m

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 22 Feb 2020, at 05:37, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:42 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > On 2/21/2020 5:50 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> I know that they argue in this way. But that is just say "It must be this

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 21 Feb 2020, at 11:41, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 9:30 PM Bruno Marchal <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: > On 21 Feb 2020, at 04:40, Bruce Kellett <mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote: >> From: Brent Meeker mailto:meeke..

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 20 Feb 2020, at 22:24, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/20/2020 4:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> Can a finite sequence be algorithmically incompressible? Can't I just >>> give it a name, say "Al

Re: Randomness of quantum processes and computability

> On 21 Feb 2020, at 17:38, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 7:40:24 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > I prefer a possible middle ground; that the universe isn't really stochastic > (an inference from QM), but pseudo random. AG > > > Typically, "a pseudorandom

Re: Randomness of quantum processes and computability

> On 21 Feb 2020, at 15:25, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 8:25 AM Alan Grayson > wrote: > > > how does mechanism reduce the apparent indeterminacy to the computable? > > Determinism doesn't mean every fact is computable. Determinism is indeed ve

Re: Randomness of quantum processes and computability

> On 21 Feb 2020, at 14:25, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 3:40:51 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 20 Feb 2020, at 21:59, Alan Grayson > >> wrote: >> >> I think Bruce's position is that quantum processes

Re: Randomness of quantum processes and computability

> On 21 Feb 2020, at 09:47, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 12:46:57 AM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 2:59:05 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > I think Bruce's position is that quantum processes are inherently random and > thus

Re: Randomness of quantum processes and computability

> On 21 Feb 2020, at 04:23, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 7:47:23 PM UTC-7, stathisp wrote: > A deterministic branching algorithm can produce output that appears random > for an observer in each branch. Exactly. > > Can an appearance of randomness create a

Re: Randomness of quantum processes and computability

> On 20 Feb 2020, at 21:59, Alan Grayson wrote: > > I think Bruce's position is that quantum processes are inherently random and > thus NOT computable. Doesn't this conclusion, if true, totally disconfirm > Bruno's theory that the apparent physical universe comes into being by > computations

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 21 Feb 2020, at 04:40, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > From: Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> >> On 2/20/2020 5:52 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>> On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 12:08 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> >> > wrote: >>> On 2/20/2020 4

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 21 Feb 2020, at 02:07, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/20/2020 4:26 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 10:32 PM Bruno Marchal > <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: >> On 20 Feb 2020, at 06:12, B

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

18 févr. 2020 à 22:54, Alan Grayson > a écrit : > > > On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 2:22:46 PM UTC-7, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 22:15, Alan Grayson > a écrit : > > > On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 1:17:59 PM UTC-7, Quentin Anciaux w

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

> On 19 Feb 2020, at 21:03, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 10:04:50 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 19 Feb 2020, at 12:14, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, February 19, 20

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 20 Feb 2020, at 01:20, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/19/2020 12:15 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> Wittgenstein is at the core really of linguistic pragmatism >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neopragmatism >>

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 20 Feb 2020, at 01:20, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/19/2020 12:15 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> Wittgenstein is at the core really of linguistic pragmatism >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neopragmatism >>

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

To be short, I agree with this for the applied part of philosophy. Maybe that is religion. But he is wrong for metaphysics or theology, which, like physics have an important theoretical counterpart, and it is only due to the stealing of theology by the tyran that we have forgotten this. It is

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 20 Feb 2020, at 00:44, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/19/2020 4:36 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 18 Feb 2020, at 23:07, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> wrote: >>> >>> &g

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 20 Feb 2020, at 00:42, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/19/2020 4:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 18 Feb 2020, at 23:14, Bruce Kellett >> <mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 20 Feb 2020, at 06:12, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 4:13 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > On 2/16/2020 2:17 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> No,that argument is mistaken, as Kent's general argument in terms of the

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 19 Feb 2020, at 23:29, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 11:20 PM Bruno Marchal <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: > On 18 Feb 2020, at 23:14, Bruce Kellett <mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 12:05 AM Bruno

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 19 Feb 2020, at 23:13, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 10:52 PM Bruno Marchal <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: > On 18 Feb 2020, at 23:07, Bruce Kellett <mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 11:41 PM Bruno

PBS on consciousness and QM

digital mechanism is used, and that enforce pursuing the embedding of the physicists in the physical reality by an embedding of the mathematicians in the arithmetical reality. >>>> Bruno (*) I explain this also in my paper: Marchal B., 2001, Computation, Consciousness and the Quant

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

> On 19 Feb 2020, at 12:14, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 3:13:35 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 12:34:20 AM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 12:54:21 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote:

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

2020 at 2:22:46 PM UTC-7, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 22:15, Alan Grayson > a écrit : > > > On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 1:17:59 PM UTC-7, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 16:43, Alan Grayson > a écrit : > &g

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

nciaux wrote: > > > Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 22:15, Alan Grayson > a écrit : > > > On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 1:17:59 PM UTC-7, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 16:43, Alan Grayson > a écrit : > > > On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

> On 18 Feb 2020, at 16:43, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 6:59:11 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 18 Feb 2020, at 07:28, Alan Grayson > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, February 17, 2020 at

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 18 Feb 2020, at 23:07, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/18/2020 5:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> It is simply a fact that all computational (and thus all conscious state, >> with mechanism) are executed by an

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 18 Feb 2020, at 23:14, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 12:05 AM Bruno Marchal <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: > On 18 Feb 2020, at 02:37, Bruce Kellett <mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> And if the probabilities a

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 18 Feb 2020, at 23:07, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 11:41 PM Bruno Marchal <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: > On 17 Feb 2020, at 22:50, Bruce Kellett <mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> On Tue, Feb 18, 20

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 9 Feb 2020, at 00:21, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 09:13, Bruce Kellett > wrote: > On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 6:38 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > On 2/7/2020 11:00 PM, Br

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 18 Feb 2020, at 01:37, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/17/2020 4:09 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 9:46 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> >> wrote: >> On 2/17/2020 2:11 AM, Bruce Kellett wrot

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 17 Feb 2020, at 23:46, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/17/2020 2:11 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 6:04 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> >> wrote: >> On 2/16/2020 9:48 PM, Bruce Kellett wrot

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 17 Feb 2020, at 22:13, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/16/2020 6:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 16 Feb 2020, at 05:50, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> >> <mailto:everything

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

> On 18 Feb 2020, at 07:28, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 6:21:47 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 16 Feb 2020, at 17:54, Alan Grayson > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 5:

Re: Quantum computing, entanglement, and theorem provers

> On 18 Feb 2020, at 12:56, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > Purely theoretically, not surprising that quantum computing - computing with > qubits ( geometry of qubits: > http://home.lu.lv/~sd20008/papers/essays/Geometry%20[paper].pdf >

Re: Quantum computing, entanglement, and theorem provers

> On 18 Feb 2020, at 11:55, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > The preprint at 165 pages is a bit much to tackle right away. This does > though indicate that quantum computing can work a subset of recursively > enumerable languages > > LC > > On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 1:44:55 PM UTC-6, Ph

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 18 Feb 2020, at 02:37, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 11:37 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > On 2/17/2020 4:09 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 9:46 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> m

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 17 Feb 2020, at 22:50, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 1:15 AM Bruno Marchal <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: > On 16 Feb 2020, at 23:17, Bruce Kellett <mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> They clearly can'

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 16 Feb 2020, at 23:17, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 1:27 AM Bruno Marchal <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: > On 14 Feb 2020, at 22:48, Bruce Kellett <mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 1:35 AM Bruno

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

> On 16 Feb 2020, at 19:02, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/16/2020 5:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 14 Feb 2020, at 09:56, Alan Grayson >> <mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

> On 16 Feb 2020, at 17:54, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 5:49:38 AM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 6:19:36 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 4:58:33 AM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 14 Feb 2020, at 22:48, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 1:35 AM Bruno Marchal <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: > > Just to be clear, are you OK with P(W) = 1/2 in the WM-duplicatipon, when “W” > refers to the first person experience? > &g

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 16 Feb 2020, at 08:10, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/15/2020 10:03 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 3:17 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> >> wrote: >> On 2/14/2020 2:17 PM, Bruce Kellett wro

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 16 Feb 2020, at 05:50, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/15/2020 9:09 AM, smitra wrote: >>> >>> That's funny, since 20 lines above you invoked the_ lack_ of >>> isolation to explain measurements. >>> >>> Brent >> >> Measurement can be fully described by loca

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 14 Feb 2020, at 21:15, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/14/2020 6:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 13 Feb 2020, at 23:59, Bruce Kellett >> <mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

> On 15 Feb 2020, at 23:29, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 11:32:47 AM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 12:01:20 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 10:55:30 AM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: >

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

> On 15 Feb 2020, at 18:04, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 5:05:26 AM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 5:32:55 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 2:55:48 AM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: > >

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

> On 15 Feb 2020, at 13:05, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 5:32:55 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 2:55:48 AM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Friday, February 14, 2020 at 7:14:24 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > >

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

> On 14 Feb 2020, at 22:31, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 6:14 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > On 2/14/2020 1:34 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >> That's quite an astute observation, Alan. The thing is, we can move o

Re: MWI and Born's rule / Bruce

> On 14 Feb 2020, at 09:56, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 4:33:52 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > On 2/13/2020 1:17 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> Bruce argues that the MWI and Born's rule are incompatible. I don't >> understand his argument, no doubt my failing. >

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 13 Feb 2020, at 23:59, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 11:16 PM Bruno Marchal <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: > On 7 Feb 2020, at 12:07, Bruce Kellett <mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> I don't think you have f

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 12 Feb 2020, at 21:44, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/12/2020 2:32 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 12:44:38 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 2/10/2020 3:34 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, February 9, 2020

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 12 Feb 2020, at 01:59, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/11/2020 7:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 9 Feb 2020, at 01:08, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> >> <mailto:everything-l

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 12 Feb 2020, at 00:45, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/11/2020 4:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 7 Feb 2020, at 18:09, Lawrence Crowell >>> wrote: >>> >>> MWI is not that bad. All quantu

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 12 Feb 2020, at 00:41, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/11/2020 4:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 7 Feb 2020, at 12:07, Bruce Kellett >> <mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 11 Feb 2020, at 23:26, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 3:55 AM Bruno Marchal <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: > On 10 Feb 2020, at 08:17, Bruce Kellett <mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> That would not be the w

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 11 Feb 2020, at 22:56, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 2:04 AM Bruno Marchal <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: > > > With QM, the number of branch is arguably equal to 2^aleph_0, but with > Mechanism it might need to be bigger than tha

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 11 Feb 2020, at 22:45, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 11:16 PM Bruno Marchal <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: > On 7 Feb 2020, at 12:07, Bruce Kellett <mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> On Fri, Feb

Re: Measurement problem in QM

> On 13 Feb 2020, at 12:02, Alan Grayson wrote: > > Does solving the measurement problem in QM, in the sense of being able to > predict the specific outcome of a trial, imply the existence of hidden > variables? AG It implies the choice between (hidden variables + FTL influence) or … the

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 10 Feb 2020, at 19:56, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, February 10, 2020 at 6:35:44 AM UTC-7, scerir wrote: > Physics and the Totalitarian Principle > > Helge Kragh > > (Submitted on 10 Jul 2019) > https://arx

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 10 Feb 2020, at 11:10, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 12:20:17 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > I think Bruno's hope is to recover the Schroedinger equation as a kind of > stat-mech limit of his universal dovetailer threads. This might comport with > Zurek's ide

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 10 Feb 2020, at 08:17, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 5:08 PM smitra > wrote: > On 09-02-2020 11:37, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 7:48 PM smitra > > wrote: > > > >> On 08-02-2020 07:00, Bruce Kellett w

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 10 Feb 2020, at 07:17, smitra wrote: > > On 09-02-2020 19:16, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: >> On 2/9/2020 12:48 AM, smitra wrote: >>> On 08-02-2020 07:00, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 4:21 PM smitra wrote: > On 08-02-2020 05:19, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 9 Feb 2020, at 19:20, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/9/2020 2:37 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 7:48 PM smitra > > wrote: >> On 08-02-2020 07:00, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> > On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 4:21 PM smitra > >

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 9 Feb 2020, at 19:16, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/9/2020 12:48 AM, smitra wrote: >> On 08-02-2020 07:00, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>> On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 4:21 PM smitra wrote: >>> On 08-02-2020 05:19, Bruce Kellett wrote: > No, I am suggestin

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 9 Feb 2020, at 08:11, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 5:48 PM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 15:43, Bruce Kellett > wrote: > On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 3:26 PM Stathis Papaioannou

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 9 Feb 2020, at 05:43, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 3:26 PM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > On 9 Feb 2020, at 13:42, Bruce Kellett > wrote: >> >> No. For to make such a guess would be to assume a dualist model of p

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