Re: Re: Communicability

2012-11-07 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King That sounds like Leibniz. Each monad contains the views of all of the other monads in order to see the whole, not from just one perspective. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/7/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen -

Re: Re: Detecting Causality in Complex Ecosystems

2012-11-07 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King The machine or program that made the calculation doesn't have to be real, it's purely an a priori, a given. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/7/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following

Re: Re: Communicability

2012-11-07 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King Sounds reasonable. Being a conservative, however, I tend to adopt orthodox views such as that of Leibniz (to my mind at least) and the Bible. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/7/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen -

Re: Re: Re: Is Nietzsche's shade wandering in platonia ?

2012-11-07 Thread Roger Clough
government sell the pot to improve its budget. It would help california's bottom line. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/7/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Platonist Guitar Cowboy Re

Re: Re: Peirce's concept of logical abduction-- a possible moneymaker

2012-11-07 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal Cool. Shows you how little I know. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/7/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-07

Re: RE: Consciousness = life = intelligence

2012-11-07 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Hal Ruhl What is pAP1 ? Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/7/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Hal Ruhl Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-07, 12:18:21 Subject: RE: Con

Re: Re: Is Nietzsche's shade wandering in platonia ?

2012-11-07 Thread Roger Clough
ne of trust, as a child trusts its parents, its mother especially. Lutherans call that trust faith. This lead K to conclude (and I agree) that truth is subjective (1p). Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/7/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen

Re: Re: Peirce's concept of logical abduction-- a possible moneymaker

2012-11-07 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King Glad to have a fellow enthusiast. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/7/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-07

Re: Re: Peirce's concept of logical abduction-- a possible moneymaker

2012-11-08 Thread Roger Clough
that beats me. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/8/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-07, 12:57:14 Subject: Re: Peirce's concept

IMHO Our own perception is similar to but at a lower level form of the perception of the One

2012-11-08 Thread Roger Clough
and b) somehow unify and focus the perception into a single point of view. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/8/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list

Leibniz vs Dennett on perception

2012-11-08 Thread Roger Clough
There is no reality of conscious experience independent of the effects of various vehicles of content on subsequent action (and hence, of course, on memory).[1]' " Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/8/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Alle

Comp, Dennett and cognitivism

2012-11-08 Thread Roger Clough
t action (and hence, of course, on memory).[1]' " Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/8/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-08, 0

Re: Re: Arithmetic doesn't even suggest geometry, let alone awareness.

2012-11-08 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg That was only a clue, not an explanation. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/8/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11

Re: RE: RE: Consciousness = life = intelligence

2012-11-08 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Hal Ruhl Since life in the form of photosynthesis creates order in the form of cell structure out of a random (entropic) environment, life seems to reverse time's arrow, and hence slow down the heat death of the universe. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/8/2012 "Forever

Leibniz's pre-composed harmonic orchestral performance

2012-11-08 Thread Roger Clough
nd differences. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/8/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Russell Standish Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-07, 17:16:48 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Detecting Causal

Re: Re: Life: origin, purpose, and qualia spectrum

2012-11-08 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Hal, Just look at the metaphors you use to see that your idea below is wrong. You say that life hastens death. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/8/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From:

Leibniz: Reality as Dust

2012-11-08 Thread Roger Clough
mber of mathematical points. >From dust we come and to dust we shall return. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/8/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-

Re: Re: Detecting Causality in Complex Ecosystems

2012-11-08 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King The prime numbers were somehow "calculated" without access to the physical world. Euclids' geometry as well, the natural numbers, etc. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/8/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody All

Re: Re: Communicability

2012-11-08 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King Libertarians aren't weird. They're essentially conservatives without a military. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/8/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephe

Re: Re: Communicability

2012-11-08 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King Who are these entities and how can they exist a priori as does 2+2=4 ? Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/8/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King

Re: Re: On the ontological status of elementary arithmetic

2012-11-08 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King You don't need to throw anything. Parabolas are completely described mathematically. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/8/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From:

Re: Re: Communicability

2012-11-08 Thread Roger Clough
can create flight imperfections and no measurements of their flights can be perfect. I am also told that Heisenberg's uncertainty principle does not depend on scale. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/8/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen

Re: Re: Communicability

2012-11-08 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb So how does Platonia's perfect necessary classes restrain or contain this world of contingency ? Or does it ? Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/8/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following conte

Where's the fixed identity in turing machines and comp ?

2012-11-09 Thread Roger Clough
choice B \/ The chooser, which must have a fixed identity Is there a chooser in comp ? Meaning a fixed identity ? Does a Turing machine have a fixed identity to make such choices (or do anything)? Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/9/2012 "Fo

the theology of existence

2012-11-09 Thread Roger Clough
e principles of propositional logic. Necessitation Rule: If A is a theorem of K, then so is ?A. Distribution Axiom: ?(A?B) ? (?A??B). etc. etc. etc. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/9/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen -- You received thi

Could the incomplete portion of Godel's theorem be simply 1p ?

2012-11-09 Thread Roger Clough
body can be Turing emulated at some right level so that you would remain conscious. Bruno > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Stephen P. King > Date: Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 7:54 AM > Subject: Re: Leibniz: Reality as Dust > To: everything-list@googlegroups.com

How can words be transformed into numbers ?

2012-11-09 Thread Roger Clough
ntext -- not only in where they are placed in a text but how they arose from culture. Language is culture. And in mandarin, three characters placed together might not have anything to do with literal meaning. For example, the characters for I touch flowers in vase can mean Final touch

15 22 4

2012-11-09 Thread Roger Clough
before you use them. In other words, you need a fixed, conscious observer. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/9/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012

An example snippet ?

2012-11-09 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno 1) Do you have any example snippets from anybody's comp program? Love to see them. 2) How do you know that such an output can imitate a human mental process ? Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/9/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end.&quo

Re: RE: RE: RE: Consciousness = life = intelligence

2012-11-09 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Hal Ruhl 1) OK, I was thinking only about the living entity. Even so, the storage of energy by its body ought to delay degeneration by its lifetime, not increase the rate of decay. 2) As to randomness of the environment, you seem to know more about that than I do. Roger Clough, rclo

Re: RE: Life: origin, purpose, and qualia spectrum

2012-11-09 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Hal Ruhl Talk to Dawkins. The purpose of the gene is to create more genes. So the purpose of life (at a minimum) is to create more life. You may notice that earth was once lifeless but its surface become alive with plants, fishes and the other stuff from Genesis 1. Roger Clough, rclo

Re: RE: Re: Life: origin, purpose, and qualia spectrum

2012-11-09 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Hal Ruhl Sorry, I can not respond as you clipped off my previous post containing said metaphors. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/9/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Hal Ruhl

Leibniz's Theodicy: Harmony in a dissonant world.

2012-11-09 Thread Roger Clough
sometimes sickness and sorrow. Note that God is the author of the sorrows. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/9/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Platonist Guitar Cowboy Receiver: ever

The communion of the saints in Leibniz

2012-11-09 Thread Roger Clough
n the universe-- but from his own perspective. 3) Leibniz says that the monads, through their appetities and perceptions, are "laden with the past and pregnant with the future." Memory and some foresight or sense of the future. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/9/2012 "Fo

Re: Re: Communicability

2012-11-09 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King The only two necessary requirements to be a conservative are that you are fiscally conservative and are ready to defend your country. Aggressive warfare is out. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/9/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -W

Re: Re: Leibniz's pre-composed harmonic orchestral performance

2012-11-09 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Russell Standish I left out the part that the perfect harmony is only possible in Platonia, but when performed and/or listened to on earth by people with somehat muddled or defective senses (us), will contain distortions and dissonances. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/9/2012

Conceptual physics (Leibniz and Plato)

2012-11-09 Thread Roger Clough
) is that the objects are directed from a timeless, spaceless realm (the mind of the One, not my mind, obeying necessary logic) but are actually carried out in the real, imperfect. contingent world. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/9/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially ne

Re: RE: RE: Life: origin, purpose, and qualia spectrum

2012-11-09 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Hal Ruhl The most important feature of a theory is that it is worthless unless you can communicate it to the world. Maybe I'm wrong. I can't understand your theory, perhaps others can. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/9/2012 "Forever is a long time, especial

Re: Re: Against Mechanism

2012-11-09 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Jason Resch My apologies if I step on toes here, I'm just relying on experience, but avoiding answering questions, together with changing the subject, seem to be the hallmarks of liberalism. It's uncanny. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/9/2012 "Forever is a long t

Re: Re: On the ontological status of elementary arithmetic

2012-11-09 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King In idealism, physics is conceptual, so things must happen as they're supposed to. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/9/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From:

Re: Re: Communicability

2012-11-09 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King Get a box of crackers with the crackers all lined perfectly up inside. That's Platonia. Now invert the box and let the crackers fall, scattering on the floor and some even breaking. That's our contingent world. Nobody knows why, but that's the way time works.

Re: Re: Communicability

2012-11-09 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King Contingent ordering is what happens to perfection, given time. Because of entropy. But nobody knows why. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/9/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content --

Re: Re: Communicability

2012-11-09 Thread Roger Clough
tries/statphys-Boltzmann/ Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/9/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-08, 14:17:05 Subject: Re: Communicabi

Re: Re: Communicability

2012-11-09 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King I'll put up with the physical world, considering the alternative. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/9/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Recei

Re: Re: Communicability

2012-11-09 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal Not to be rude, but how can numbers alone create theories ? Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/9/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-l

Some musings on is/ought and modal logic

2012-11-09 Thread Roger Clough
ht just send it out now for comments. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/9/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send e

Combining Peirce, Kant and Plato

2012-11-10 Thread Roger Clough
ty (always true, so time independent) = just the truth or existence of all events combined as one. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/10/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Recei

Peirce, Kant and Plato simplified

2012-11-10 Thread Roger Clough
e the time-independent One. This is the world of timeless or eternal truths. Thirdness = necessity (always true, so time independent) = just the truth or existence of all events combined as one. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/10/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end

Re: Leinbniz' Analysis Situs

2012-11-10 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King Thanks. It's rare and very expensive to buy but I can read it online. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/10/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Recei

Spotless platonia

2012-11-10 Thread Roger Clough
hs (events) = 2p Oneness= time allone= iondividual consciousness.= 1p Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/10/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Brun

Re: Re: How can words be transformed into numbers ?

2012-11-10 Thread Roger Clough
at, what's special about numbers ? Geometry, such as created network, would make more sense. Or natural language. or arithmetic functions. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/10/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following co

14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion

2012-11-10 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen, Science has meaured the beginning of the universe to have occured about 14 billion years ago. So it has a beginning. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/10/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the followi

Re: Re: Where's the fixed identity in turing machines and comp ?

2012-11-10 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Russell Standish No, rational beings have to decide which truths they need to apply to what and how to apply them. These are all relational acts, which require choice, hence intelligence. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/10/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near th

Re: Re: On the ontological status of elementary arithmetic

2012-11-10 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King Then you will get an incorrect motion, which indeed would be very,very interesting. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/10/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Steph

Re: Re: Communicability

2012-11-10 Thread Roger Clough
rom: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-09, 13:32:23 Subject: Re: Communicability On 11/9/2012 11:24 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Stephen P. King > > Get a box of crackers with the crackers all lined perfectly up inside. No explanation at all is given as

Re: Re: Communicability

2012-11-10 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King Perhaps they fly apart because they are a little warm which causes vibrations and there is nothing to hold them together. One will probably have put a little "spin" on them as well. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/10/2012 "Forever is a long time,

It's an imperfect world

2012-11-10 Thread Roger Clough
On 11/9/2012 11:36 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Stephen P. King > > I fall back on my experiment with crackers. > Nothing stays perfect if allowed to be free and > time passes. Hi Roger, My problem is the assumption of an initial perfection. It is never explained

Plato's cave analogy

2012-11-10 Thread Roger Clough
contingent stuff. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/10/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-08, 10:22:14 Subject: Re: Communicability

Re: Re: How can words be transformed into numbers ?

2012-11-10 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal The Devil is in the details, and why bother with numbers when you could use words ? Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/10/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bru

the grammar of platonia

2012-11-10 Thread Roger Clough
see young children moving their lips when learning to read. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/10/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-09, 1

Re: Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion

2012-11-11 Thread Roger Clough
mm (with a corresponding frequency of 90-22 GHz). Warm and cool regions of space are therefore mapped, including the radiation polarity. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/11/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following con

My embarassing misunderstanding of the intelligence of computers

2012-11-11 Thread Roger Clough
quot; statement. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/11/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to e

Re: Re: Re: Where's the fixed identity in turing machines and comp ?

2012-11-12 Thread Roger Clough
ROGER: On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 05:55:03AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Russell Standish > > No, rational beings have to decide which truths they need to apply > to what and how to apply them. These are all relational acts, > which require choice, hence intelligence. &

How wonderful greed is

2012-11-12 Thread Roger Clough
be the best word in that case. Wall Street is not a welfare program, IT IS DRIVEN BY GREED. And conversely, selling stocks is based on fear that the stock is going to go down. So no rational or logical program will ever be a good stock customer. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/12/2012

Re: Re: Doesn't UDA simply imply that teleportation is impossible?

2012-11-12 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Russell Standish Consciousness and intelligence, not just consciousness. A cave man had to determine if a twig lying on the ground is a snake or a twig. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/12/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Rec

Re: Re: Where's the fixed identity in turing machines and comp ?

2012-11-12 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Russell Standish Reason is what allows us to exist in the face of desire and danger. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/12/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Russell Standish

the "God" hypothesis

2012-11-12 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King Leibniz thought that everything needs a sufficient reason to exist as it does. Thus all of the parts of the universe have a sufficient reason to be (as they are). I don't know how to explain that by anything other than the the "God" hypothesis. Rog

Re: Re: WHY FREE WILL IS A BOGUS ISSUE

2012-11-12 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb Those are the complaints of the far left. They hate everything that has authority or power. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/12/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb

I'm back, thanks to Windows 7

2012-11-15 Thread Roger Clough
Hi everybody, I need to catch up with some of you. I've been offline for a few days because of computer problems and even thought I had lost all of my email. But the "recover" feature of Windows 7 works like a charm even though you thought you had lost the whole OS and wondered if you still had

Re: Re: the "God" hypothesis

2012-11-15 Thread Roger Clough
damage. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/15/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-12, 10:56:40 Subject: Re: the "God" hypothe

Re: Re: I am a realist rather than a nominalist because universal gravityexists.

2012-11-15 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg Yes, Berkeley's solopsism is impossible to disprove, so your theory that perception causes existence holds. But, forgive me, how do you know that there are other people to report your findings to ? We could all be chimeras. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/15

Re: Re: My embarassing misunderstanding of the intelligence of computers

2012-11-15 Thread Roger Clough
fore Freud and Jung. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/15/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-12, 09:54:53 Subject: Re: My embarassin

Re: Re: Re: Leibniz's pre-composed harmonic orchestral performance

2012-11-15 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy 12 tone music can be refreshing for a while but I soon get bored. On the other hand, Stravinksy and many others can do exciting things with dissonance. The Firebird Suite and the Rites of Spring enhance this marvellously with dance. [Roger Clough], [rclo

Re: Re: the "God" hypothesis

2012-11-15 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist That's just my point. You can't have quantum gravity unless it emerged from mind ior universal intelligence. Where there's smoke, there's fire. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/15/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially ne

Re: Re: the "God" hypothesis

2012-11-15 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist and Bruno, There is (infinite) regress in physical nature, but not in mind, because mind is non-existent (not created). [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/15/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the followi

Re: Re: Re: the "God" hypothesis

2012-11-15 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist Call it what you want, but anything existent exists according to some pre-existing physical rules etc. Some Cosmic intelligence. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/15/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the

Re: Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-15 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Evgenii Rudnyi Perhaps strings might better model materials and their behavior than current chemistry and materials science can. And suggest the possibioity of creating new materials (composistes) as well as explaining little understood materials phenomena. [Roger Clough], [rclo

In the beginning were the numbers

2012-11-15 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King and Bruno, Perhaps these problems below fade away if you think of numbers in this way: In the beginning were the numbers and the numbers were with Mind and the numbers were Mind. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/15/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially nea

The fundamental primitive

2012-11-15 Thread Roger Clough
. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/15/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-03, 09:17:02 Subject: Re: The two types of truth On 11/3/20

Re: Re: Emergence of Properties

2012-11-15 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King But many minds are in agreement that God exists, so that must be true ? And must unicorns exist because I believe that they do ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/15/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the

Re: Re: (mathematical) solipsism

2012-11-15 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King Mind is the fundamental nonphysical primitive out of which all physical things were created and which governs them. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/15/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the followi

Re: Re: On the ontological status of elementary arithmetic

2012-11-15 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King Infinity is not communicable. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/15/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-03, 12:33:

Re: Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion

2012-11-15 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King He's got his work cut out for him, not so much as casting doubt on other's theories, but in explaining all of the data obtained with alternate theorie. In which case, the Big Bang simply happened another way than that taught. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.

Re: Re: Re: My embarassing misunderstanding of the intelligence ofcomputers

2012-11-16 Thread Roger Clough
e of some sort. Nature is alive, and life is intelligence. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/16/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-

Re: Re: Monads and the Diophantine equantions.

2012-11-16 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King Monads are as you say, but only potentially. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/16/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012

Re: Re: Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion

2012-11-16 Thread Roger Clough
been created out of the nonphysical, which I take to be intelligence. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/16/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Russell Standish Receiver: everything-list Time:

Re: Re: Emergence of Properties

2012-11-16 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King How is the agreement of many minds known if they are all solipsists ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/16/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver:

Re: Re: (mathematical) solipsism

2012-11-16 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King Mind has no properties other than being nonphysical, so no problem. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/16/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver:

Re: Re: Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion

2012-11-16 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen, Hogan appears to be a total skeptic. What can I say ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/16/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content ----- From: Roger Clough Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11

Re: Re: Re: Re: My embarassing misunderstanding of the intelligenceofcomputers

2012-11-16 Thread Roger Clough
ng holding the thing (then a substance) together in some way, like life. Or an electromagnetic, biological, or chemical field. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/16/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following conte

Re: Re: Emergence of Properties

2012-11-16 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King But how could one know if the others are telling the truth ? The surest test could only be a Turing Test. Plus I have another difficulty with solipsim. If perception must proceed existence, then one could never be stabbed in the back. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My embarassing misunderstanding of theintelligenceofcomputers

2012-11-17 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg But not ONE field. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/17/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-16, 15:57:06 Subject:

Re: Re: the "God" hypothesis

2012-11-17 Thread Roger Clough
wrote a whole book or a lot at least on that issue without coming up with a sensible solution other than to say that it just happens that there is no infinite regress because there cannot be one. It's similar to Aristotle's "First Cause" doctine. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@ver

In the beginning was the Fourier transform

2012-11-17 Thread Roger Clough
some fashion of those events, and that is what Heaven will be like. Bohm had a related idea (the Implicate/Explicate worlds). If there was a beginning, then the transform(s) would be one-sided. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/17/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the en

Re: Re: Re: Re: 14 billion years ago there was a huge explosion

2012-11-17 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Russell Standish Intelligence is nothing. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/17/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Russell Standish Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-16, 19:10:02 S

Re: Re: Emergence of Properties

2012-11-17 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King OK if you're satisfied with a "vague feeling" of agreement among multiple observers. That of course would cause you to see fuzzy or incomplete objects. The Turing Test was suggested to try to wake you up. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/17/2012 &qu

Re: Re: the "God" hypothesis

2012-11-17 Thread Roger Clough
eate the object, the actual object always was, as it is itself a monad, and they can be neither created nor destroyed. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/17/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From:

Leibniz's definition(s) of substance

2012-11-18 Thread Roger Clough
. Course of the present work The course of the present work will be as follows: Chaptcrs II.-V. will discuss the consequences of the first four of the above premisses, and will show that they lead to the whole, or nearly the whole, of the necessary propositions of the system. " [Ro

Re: Re: Reality Check: You Are Not a Computer Simulation [Audio]

2012-11-19 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal I thought that comp is exactly opposite to what you say, that computationalism is the belief that we can simulate the mind with a computer program-- that the mind is computable. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/19/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near th

Comp, Chance and Necessity, the large and the small

2012-11-19 Thread Roger Clough
ally). He would order the Isreaelites to kill an entire family. men women and children. Or in the Flood, kill everybody in the world except Noah and his family. And he let the rain fall on the good as well as the evil. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 11/19/2012 "Forever

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