Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-16 Thread nablusoss1008

 The CIA would not do their job on behalf of the american taxpayers if they did 
not check the Movement properly. Keep in mind that Rajneesh was about to go 
nuts in Oregon with hundreds of armed guards and in 1993 four people were shot 
dead during the siege in Wacko, Texas. Naturally they were on their toes.
 When Rajneesh was arrested Maharishi commented; He is really surrounded by the 
CIA. As if what we were experiencing was nothing compared to what Rajneesh had 
to go through, their involment there was obviously much more intense than 
towards the Movement. They had tried the same tactics on himself but failed 
utterly as Maharishi would change travel arrangements in the last minute. 
 

 Unfortunately it did not stop with simply trying to find out what the Movement 
was up to and they moved the operation into one that should hurt the Movement 
by spreading rumors, much like Rick Archer is doing today, planting false 
articles in the press, and assassination attempts that had no way of succeeding 
as Maharishi simply would not be present where and when they thought he would. 
 

 But at least they were worthy opponents, unlike the desperately look-at-me 
channellers of today.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :


 well, of course they infiltrated the group.  to what extent, I  have no idea.  
just like they probably infiltrate any number of organizations. 

 try to enlighten your friend Barry, that this type of thing is done.
 

 the scenario Nabby puts forth sounds a little extreme, but I have no idea.  
 

 I was not aware of the things he describes.  On the other hand, I was in 
Seelisberg only one time.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 First off, I am willing to believe the CIA did send folks to check on what 
Marshy was doing since they and our FBI have certainly infiltrated many a group 
to see what they were about. 

 

 But you seem to allege that there were dozens of agents - not likely maybe one 
or two but Marshy never merited that kind of attention that would require 
dozens of CIA agents.
 

 Plus the way you tell it, Movement security (which has always been a joke in 
every Movement facility I was ever in, and that includes your German Purusha 
Nazi types who wear swastikas under their ties and celebrate Uncle Adolph's 
birthday) that means Movement security was way more savvy and astute than 
trained CIA agents??? Not likely.

 

 
 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 
 
   Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it.  :-)
 

 Nonsense. I don't believe in it, I know it happened because I was part of it. 
Even one of my friends was caught red-handed with a letter to his accounting 
officer and quickly admitted to having work for the German intelligence, which 
at the time was just a subdivision of the CIA. Maharishi simply asked him if he 
would break the ties, he did and is fulltime in the Movement to this day.


 


 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-16 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

planting false articles in the press

Show them to us.




 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 3:19 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 


  


The CIA would not do their job on behalf of the american taxpayers if they did 
not check the Movement properly. Keep in mind that Rajneesh was about to go 
nuts in Oregon with hundreds of armed guards and in 1993 four people were shot 
dead during the siege in Wacko, Texas. Naturally they were on their toes.
When Rajneesh was arrested Maharishi commented; He is really surrounded by the 
CIA. As if what we were experiencing was nothing compared to what Rajneesh had 
to go through, their involment there was obviously much more intense than 
towards the Movement. They had tried the same tactics on himself but failed 
utterly as Maharishi would change travel arrangements in the last minute. 

Unfortunately it did not stop with simply trying to find out what the Movement 
was up to and they moved the operation into one that should hurt the Movement 
by spreading rumors, much like Rick Archer is doing today, planting false 
articles in the press, and assassination attempts that had no way of succeeding 
as Maharishi simply would not be present where and when they thought he would. 

But at least they were worthy opponents, unlike the desperately look-at-me 
channellers of today.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :


well, of course they infiltrated the group.  to what extent, I  have no idea.  
just like they probably infiltrate any number of organizations.

try to enlighten your friend Barry, that this type of thing is done.

the scenario Nabby puts forth sounds a little extreme, but I have no idea.  

I was not aware of the things he describes.  On the other hand, I was in 
Seelisberg only one time.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


First off, I am willing to believe the CIA did send folks to check on what 
Marshy was doing since they and our FBI have certainly infiltrated many a group 
to see what they were about. 


But you seem to allege that there were dozens of agents - not likely maybe one 
or two but Marshy never merited that kind of attention that would require 
dozens of CIA agents.

Plus the way you tell it, Movement security (which has always been a joke in 
every Movement facility I was ever in, and that includes your German Purusha 
Nazi types who wear swastikas under their ties and celebrate Uncle Adolph's 
birthday) that means Movement security was way more savvy and astute than 
trained CIA agents??? Not likely.


From: nablusoss1008
no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement



 
Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it.  :-)

Nonsense. I don't believe in it, I know it happened because I was part of it. 
Even one of my friends was caught red-handed with a letter to his accounting 
officer and quickly admitted to having work for the German intelligence, which 
at the time was just a subdivision of the CIA. Maharishi simply asked him if he 
would break the ties, he did and is fulltime in the Movement to this day.





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I'll bet Barry's lurking reporters are a couple of out of work twenty year 
olds, having him on. We are all waiting for the cult 'expose' - LOL
  
 [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: Turq, this will blow the doors off 
the TMO. We have formed a committee to discuss all of the points you have 
raised.
  
 [Turq]: No problem - That's my thang! Maharishi sux - lol
  
 [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: He sure does - lol
  
 [Chuck, from The York Times]: This is perfect - All we need is a little 
more upfront funding, and you'll make Snowden look like peanuts.
  
 [Turq]: I'll show those bastards!
  
 [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: You sure will!
  
 [Chuck, from The York Times]: Absofuckinglutely!! Now, we received the two 
hundred bucks, for story copyright, though we will need another five hundred, 
for the movie rights - Spielberg is having a look - This is gunna be huge!
  
 [Turq]: I am wiring the funds as we speak, Sir!! Do you really think I'll be 
notorious, like you promised??
  
 [Chuck, from The York Times]: Global bad-ass, Guaranteed! We can help you 
market that, too...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Note to Lurking Reporters. 

 Dear RP's.
 

 Does it seem strange that this 70 year old man, Mr. Barry Wright, spends as 
much time as he does trying to find faults in an organization he left some 40 
years ago?
 

 Does it seem odd, that he would become so animated when he finds what he feels 
is an out of whack comment by another member of the forum, as though all the 
time he puts in here, has had some payoff?
 

 Does it, again, seem odd, that another member here, Mr. Michael Jackson, seems 
to have taken on, as a part of his life mission uncovering all the faults of 
the TM organization and it's founder, repeating the same lines over and over 
each day?
 

 Dear Mr. and Ms. Lurking Reporters.  Please reveal yourselves, and weight in 
on some of issues and behaviors you observe here.
 

 One word of caution though. If you response does not meet with the 
expectations of Mr. Wright, he will turn on you in angry fashion as he did with 
another member here a week or so ago.
 

 If interested, you can re-visit this exchange between Mr. Wright, and a 
Mr.Blue Bungalow.
 

 Mr. Wright went positively ballistic.
 

 Mr. Bungalow, remained nonplussed.
 

 Sort of revealing, I'd say for the guy who claims to be so unattached to 
anything that goes on here.
 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were asking me 
to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were certifiably paranoid 
and committed to a them vs. us mentality. 

 

 I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes this 
because Maharishi believed it.  :-)

 

 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 
 
   It includes the armed men we caught on the bridge between hotels Sonnenberg 
and Kulm. It also includes dozens of agents that took TTC many of whom went on 
to Purusha. It also includeds Governors so poor that when they waved a few 
thousands dollars in front of their anemic noses they did almost anything to 
make their new masters happy.
 Not that they had to do much, a weekly report sent to their accounting officer 
was all that was needed to adhere to the strict rules of economic 
self-suffisciency always present within the Movement. So when we started 
looking, which included asking a few questions in the countries they came from, 
they needed some pretty good explanation to where the money came from.
 Now, that's what I call a real enemy that was always fun to try to track. They 
did it not because they had some screews loose but to protect their country, 
which is a honorable thing to do.
 The wacko's of today has no such honor and cannot touch the Movement.  All 
they'll accomplish is some momentary swelling of ego's already out of control.
 



















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-16 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 I'll bet Barry's lurking reporters are a couple of out of work twenty year 
olds, having him on. We are all waiting for the cult 'expose' - LOL
  
 [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: Turq, this will blow the doors off 
the TMO. We have formed a committee to discuss all of the points you have 
raised.
  
 [Turq]: No problem - That's my thang! Maharishi sux - lol
  
 [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: He sure does - lol
  
 [Chuck, from The York Times]: This is perfect - All we need is a little 
more upfront funding, and you'll make Snowden look like peanuts.
  
 [Turq]: I'll show those bastards!
  
 [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: You sure will!
  
 [Chuck, from The York Times]: Absofuckinglutely!! Now, we received the two 
hundred bucks, for story copyright, though we will need another five hundred, 
for the movie rights - Spielberg is having a look - This is gunna be huge!
  
 [Turq]: I am wiring the funds as we speak, Sir!! Do you really think I'll be 
notorious, like you promised??
  
 [Chuck, from The York Times]: Global bad-ass, Guaranteed! We can help you 
market that, too...
 

 See, bring back the Parody! Good job. I got smacked down by Share who 
apparently doesn't like my parodies as they seem to lead to a mob mentality of 
online bullying in some way. But God, you wrote a good little snippet there. 
You have the knack, Mac.
 

 And I only now saw Steve's post here, another gold star. Kind of like the 
court jester in the old days who always told the sometimes ugly truth with 
laughs and wit and hilarious antics. Underneath the joviality lies what many 
don't want to admit. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Note to Lurking Reporters. 

 Dear RP's.
 

 Does it seem strange that this 70 year old man, Mr. Barry Wright, spends as 
much time as he does trying to find faults in an organization he left some 40 
years ago?
 

 Does it seem odd, that he would become so animated when he finds what he feels 
is an out of whack comment by another member of the forum, as though all the 
time he puts in here, has had some payoff?
 

 Does it, again, seem odd, that another member here, Mr. Michael Jackson, seems 
to have taken on, as a part of his life mission uncovering all the faults of 
the TM organization and it's founder, repeating the same lines over and over 
each day?
 

 Dear Mr. and Ms. Lurking Reporters.  Please reveal yourselves, and weight in 
on some of issues and behaviors you observe here.
 

 One word of caution though. If you response does not meet with the 
expectations of Mr. Wright, he will turn on you in angry fashion as he did with 
another member here a week or so ago.
 

 If interested, you can re-visit this exchange between Mr. Wright, and a 
Mr.Blue Bungalow.
 

 Mr. Wright went positively ballistic.
 

 Mr. Bungalow, remained nonplussed.
 

 Sort of revealing, I'd say for the guy who claims to be so unattached to 
anything that goes on here.
 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were asking me 
to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were certifiably paranoid 
and committed to a them vs. us mentality. 

 

 I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes this 
because Maharishi believed it.  :-)

 

 

 











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-16 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

I'll bet Barry's lurking reporters are a couple of out of work 
twenty year olds, having him on. We are all waiting for the cult 
'expose' - LOL


[Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: Turq, this will blow the 
doors off the TMO. We have formed a committee to discuss all of the 
points you have raised.


[Turq]: No problem - That's my thang! Maharishi sux - lol

[Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: He sure does - lol

[Chuck, from The York Times]: This is perfect - All we need is a 
little more upfront funding, and you'll make Snowden look like peanuts.


[Turq]: I'll show those bastards!

[Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: You sure will!

[Chuck, from The York Times]: Absofuckinglutely!! Now, we received 
the two hundred bucks, for story copyright, though we will need 
another five hundred, for the movie rights - Spielberg is having a 
look - This is gunna be huge!


[Turq]: I am wiring the funds as we speak, Sir!! Do you really think 
I'll be notorious, like you promised??


[Chuck, from The York Times]: Global bad-ass, Guaranteed! We can 
help you market that, too...




On 10/16/2014 9:05 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:



See, bring back the Parody! Good job. I got smacked down by Share who 
apparently doesn't like my parodies as they seem to lead to a mob 
mentality of online bullying in some way. But God, you wrote a good 
little snippet there. You have the knack, Mac.



And I only now saw Steve's post here, another gold star. Kind of like 
the court jester in the old days who always told the sometimes ugly 
truth with laughs and wit and hilarious antics. Underneath the 
joviality lies what many don't want to admit.




/Everyone already knows that the magazine science writer is Barry and 
the lurking reporter is MJ - reporting to John Knapp at the TM-Free 
blog. They already admitted this on FFL. It's no secret what their 
agenda is - to get TMers to post some secret information about the 
private sex life of people that live in Fairfield. Apparently that's the 
whole purpose of this discussion group. It's not complicated.


/



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

Note to Lurking Reporters.

Dear RP's.

Does it seem strange that this 70 year old man, Mr. Barry Wright, 
spends as much time as he does trying to find faults in an 
organization he left some 40 years ago?


Does it seem odd, that he would become so animated when he finds what 
he feels is an out of whack comment by another member of the forum, as 
though all the time he puts in here, has had some payoff?


Does it, again, seem odd, that another member here, Mr. Michael 
Jackson, seems to have taken on, as a part of his life mission 
uncovering all the faults of the TM organization and it's founder, 
repeating the same lines over and over each day?


Dear Mr. and Ms. Lurking Reporters.  Please reveal yourselves, and 
weight in on some of issues and behaviors you observe here.


One word of caution though. If you response does not meet with the 
expectations of Mr. Wright, he will turn on you in angry fashion as he 
did with another member here a week or so ago.


If interested, you can re-visit this exchange between Mr. Wright, and 
a Mr.Blue Bungalow.


Mr. Wright went positively ballistic.

Mr. Bungalow, remained nonplussed.

Sort of revealing, I'd say for the guy who claims to be so unattached 
to anything that goes on here.


Just sayin'


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were 
asking me to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were 
certifiably paranoid and committed to a them vs. us mentality.


I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes 
this because Maharishi believed it.  :-)









Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Steve does some good stand up on here - M. Dixon has some tight one liners - MJ 
used to, before the plague struck :-( and long gone Priceless Bob had a few 
zingers, too. Buncha wisenheimers.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 I'll bet Barry's lurking reporters are a couple of out of work twenty year 
olds, having him on. We are all waiting for the cult 'expose' - LOL
  
 [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: Turq, this will blow the doors off 
the TMO. We have formed a committee to discuss all of the points you have 
raised.
  
 [Turq]: No problem - That's my thang! Maharishi sux - lol
  
 [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: He sure does - lol
  
 [Chuck, from The York Times]: This is perfect - All we need is a little 
more upfront funding, and you'll make Snowden look like peanuts.
  
 [Turq]: I'll show those bastards!
  
 [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: You sure will!
  
 [Chuck, from The York Times]: Absofuckinglutely!! Now, we received the two 
hundred bucks, for story copyright, though we will need another five hundred, 
for the movie rights - Spielberg is having a look - This is gunna be huge!
  
 [Turq]: I am wiring the funds as we speak, Sir!! Do you really think I'll be 
notorious, like you promised??
  
 [Chuck, from The York Times]: Global bad-ass, Guaranteed! We can help you 
market that, too...
 

 See, bring back the Parody! Good job. I got smacked down by Share who 
apparently doesn't like my parodies as they seem to lead to a mob mentality of 
online bullying in some way. But God, you wrote a good little snippet there. 
You have the knack, Mac.
 

 And I only now saw Steve's post here, another gold star. Kind of like the 
court jester in the old days who always told the sometimes ugly truth with 
laughs and wit and hilarious antics. Underneath the joviality lies what many 
don't want to admit. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Note to Lurking Reporters. 

 Dear RP's.
 

 Does it seem strange that this 70 year old man, Mr. Barry Wright, spends as 
much time as he does trying to find faults in an organization he left some 40 
years ago?
 

 Does it seem odd, that he would become so animated when he finds what he feels 
is an out of whack comment by another member of the forum, as though all the 
time he puts in here, has had some payoff?
 

 Does it, again, seem odd, that another member here, Mr. Michael Jackson, seems 
to have taken on, as a part of his life mission uncovering all the faults of 
the TM organization and it's founder, repeating the same lines over and over 
each day?
 

 Dear Mr. and Ms. Lurking Reporters.  Please reveal yourselves, and weight in 
on some of issues and behaviors you observe here.
 

 One word of caution though. If you response does not meet with the 
expectations of Mr. Wright, he will turn on you in angry fashion as he did with 
another member here a week or so ago.
 

 If interested, you can re-visit this exchange between Mr. Wright, and a 
Mr.Blue Bungalow.
 

 Mr. Wright went positively ballistic.
 

 Mr. Bungalow, remained nonplussed.
 

 Sort of revealing, I'd say for the guy who claims to be so unattached to 
anything that goes on here.
 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were asking me 
to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were certifiably paranoid 
and committed to a them vs. us mentality. 

 

 I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes this 
because Maharishi believed it.  :-)

 

 

 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-16 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
make that three stars!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 I'll bet Barry's lurking reporters are a couple of out of work twenty year 
olds, having him on. We are all waiting for the cult 'expose' - LOL
  
 [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: Turq, this will blow the doors off 
the TMO. We have formed a committee to discuss all of the points you have 
raised.
  
 [Turq]: No problem - That's my thang! Maharishi sux - lol
  
 [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: He sure does - lol
  
 [Chuck, from The York Times]: This is perfect - All we need is a little 
more upfront funding, and you'll make Snowden look like peanuts.
  
 [Turq]: I'll show those bastards!
  
 [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: You sure will!
  
 [Chuck, from The York Times]: Absofuckinglutely!! Now, we received the two 
hundred bucks, for story copyright, though we will need another five hundred, 
for the movie rights - Spielberg is having a look - This is gunna be huge!
  
 [Turq]: I am wiring the funds as we speak, Sir!! Do you really think I'll be 
notorious, like you promised??
  
 [Chuck, from The York Times]: Global bad-ass, Guaranteed! We can help you 
market that, too...
 

 See, bring back the Parody! Good job. I got smacked down by Share who 
apparently doesn't like my parodies as they seem to lead to a mob mentality of 
online bullying in some way. But God, you wrote a good little snippet there. 
You have the knack, Mac.
 

 And I only now saw Steve's post here, another gold star. Kind of like the 
court jester in the old days who always told the sometimes ugly truth with 
laughs and wit and hilarious antics. Underneath the joviality lies what many 
don't want to admit. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Note to Lurking Reporters. 

 Dear RP's.
 

 Does it seem strange that this 70 year old man, Mr. Barry Wright, spends as 
much time as he does trying to find faults in an organization he left some 40 
years ago?
 

 Does it seem odd, that he would become so animated when he finds what he feels 
is an out of whack comment by another member of the forum, as though all the 
time he puts in here, has had some payoff?
 

 Does it, again, seem odd, that another member here, Mr. Michael Jackson, seems 
to have taken on, as a part of his life mission uncovering all the faults of 
the TM organization and it's founder, repeating the same lines over and over 
each day?
 

 Dear Mr. and Ms. Lurking Reporters.  Please reveal yourselves, and weight in 
on some of issues and behaviors you observe here.
 

 One word of caution though. If you response does not meet with the 
expectations of Mr. Wright, he will turn on you in angry fashion as he did with 
another member here a week or so ago.
 

 If interested, you can re-visit this exchange between Mr. Wright, and a 
Mr.Blue Bungalow.
 

 Mr. Wright went positively ballistic.
 

 Mr. Bungalow, remained nonplussed.
 

 Sort of revealing, I'd say for the guy who claims to be so unattached to 
anything that goes on here.
 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were asking me 
to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were certifiably paranoid 
and committed to a them vs. us mentality. 

 

 I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes this 
because Maharishi believed it.  :-)

 

 

 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
thanks - fun  to write, too!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 make that three stars!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 I'll bet Barry's lurking reporters are a couple of out of work twenty year 
olds, having him on. We are all waiting for the cult 'expose' - LOL
  
 [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: Turq, this will blow the doors off 
the TMO. We have formed a committee to discuss all of the points you have 
raised.
  
 [Turq]: No problem - That's my thang! Maharishi sux - lol
  
 [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: He sure does - lol
  
 [Chuck, from The York Times]: This is perfect - All we need is a little 
more upfront funding, and you'll make Snowden look like peanuts.
  
 [Turq]: I'll show those bastards!
  
 [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: You sure will!
  
 [Chuck, from The York Times]: Absofuckinglutely!! Now, we received the two 
hundred bucks, for story copyright, though we will need another five hundred, 
for the movie rights - Spielberg is having a look - This is gunna be huge!
  
 [Turq]: I am wiring the funds as we speak, Sir!! Do you really think I'll be 
notorious, like you promised??
  
 [Chuck, from The York Times]: Global bad-ass, Guaranteed! We can help you 
market that, too...
 

 See, bring back the Parody! Good job. I got smacked down by Share who 
apparently doesn't like my parodies as they seem to lead to a mob mentality of 
online bullying in some way. But God, you wrote a good little snippet there. 
You have the knack, Mac.
 

 And I only now saw Steve's post here, another gold star. Kind of like the 
court jester in the old days who always told the sometimes ugly truth with 
laughs and wit and hilarious antics. Underneath the joviality lies what many 
don't want to admit. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Note to Lurking Reporters. 

 Dear RP's.
 

 Does it seem strange that this 70 year old man, Mr. Barry Wright, spends as 
much time as he does trying to find faults in an organization he left some 40 
years ago?
 

 Does it seem odd, that he would become so animated when he finds what he feels 
is an out of whack comment by another member of the forum, as though all the 
time he puts in here, has had some payoff?
 

 Does it, again, seem odd, that another member here, Mr. Michael Jackson, seems 
to have taken on, as a part of his life mission uncovering all the faults of 
the TM organization and it's founder, repeating the same lines over and over 
each day?
 

 Dear Mr. and Ms. Lurking Reporters.  Please reveal yourselves, and weight in 
on some of issues and behaviors you observe here.
 

 One word of caution though. If you response does not meet with the 
expectations of Mr. Wright, he will turn on you in angry fashion as he did with 
another member here a week or so ago.
 

 If interested, you can re-visit this exchange between Mr. Wright, and a 
Mr.Blue Bungalow.
 

 Mr. Wright went positively ballistic.
 

 Mr. Bungalow, remained nonplussed.
 

 Sort of revealing, I'd say for the guy who claims to be so unattached to 
anything that goes on here.
 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were asking me 
to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were certifiably paranoid 
and committed to a them vs. us mentality. 

 

 I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes this 
because Maharishi believed it.  :-)

 

 

 















[FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread nablusoss1008
Give us back the CIA as an enemy, at least that was fun before they realized 
we were harmless. These channelers and rumormongers are fools and don't qualify 
as enemies.

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread salyavin808
 says it all about the TMO really. 
The same guy was telling me that someone asked him if it was true that people 
get brainwashed in the TMO, he said of course not. 
 

 Anyway, they seem to be doing well and actually making money out of it which 
is the TM teachers dream, but then they don't have to give half to the TMO. Bad 
feelings about that too I shouldn't wonder.
 

 From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 
 
   Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires that 
the split off group has a coherent organization. I don't know if the initiators 
in England have this.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 the Movement already split - don't forget the renegade initiators in England

 

 From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:56 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 
 
   Species, Corporations, Religions, Cults, as is the nature of change, always, 
if they persist, break apart or become extinct. A schism is always eventually 
in the cards for the TM movement. It is said shortly after his death, the 
followers of Buddha broke into some two dozen different sects. You can see how 
Christianity split over time. There seem to be fewer splits among Muslims, 
perhaps a reflection of the dark ferocity of their memes. The Mormons, barely a 
religion after 150 years, have split six times. And look at all the different 
Hindu flavours. It is almost a no-brainer prediction that the TM movement will 
at some point split. *Already there are many teachers in various countries 
teaching outside the movement purview.* 
 

 I would say that movements in which the participants are unable to think for 
themselves are likely to cohere together longer than those in which mental 
freedom and expression are given freer reign. Onward Lemmings!
 

 Rick does not have to do anything to weaken the movement, it will break 
naturally of its own accord, it is already frayed around the edges. While you 
might try to do something to arrest progress, eventually you will fail. That is 
the nature of evolution.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 


 It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken 
the Movement.

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote :

 An organizer asked me to post this.
  
 www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/ 

  

 Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself.

  

 One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on 
assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). 
  

 Ask yourself on November 30th:

  

 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 

 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. 
If not, then don't. 

 That should always be the test. On the individual level. 

  

 For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch the 
recording afterwards:

  

 www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/


  







 




 


 












 


 





















[FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-15 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Yep, I never had much interest in being super rich, or famous, just happy, and 
successful, with myself, my family, and my friends, which can be enough of a 
challenge, if you always dream big. Those that go after fame and fortune, 
dedicate themselves 100% to the goal. And they succeed. Some of these people in 
interviews, express, how, at the age of five or so, they wanted to be on stage, 
or vowed to themselves, to be rich. Very one-pointed. 
 I am happy, and ordinary, and ecstatic right now, as it has just started 
*pouring rain*, a sound I haven't heard since one night in the mountains, back 
in March! Jai Guru WATER! Such a soothing sound for us all, in this drought. 
Yay!
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Oh, I missed this from Barry.   

 Barry, this is attempt on your part, to remind yourself of this, right?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Turq:  There is NO ONE on this forum who has accomplished much of *anything* 
with their lives, as measured by either riches or fame. Certainly no TM TB on 
this forum has ever accomplished much of anything. What is WRONG with reminding 
these people how fuckin' ORDINARY they are? 

Hey, I'm pretty fucking cool, and my resentment is that for 29 years, I was 
always trying to prove to myself that TM was the reason for my impressiveness.

Turns out, I was always cool, always a writer/inventor, always creative, always 
full of hope and love for living.

So there's the concept:  whatever we did have by way of excellencies Maharishi 
TOOK FUCKING CREDIT FOR ALL OF IT.  

Now that's Grand Theft.

If you had coattails, the movement wanted a free ride on them.  








Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Its all about the money Sal - the Movement is trying to protect its pocket book.




 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:47 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 


  
 This is outrageous! Of course the scientific research applies to both schools. 
They are teaching the same thing! Do you think Newtons laws of gravity, 
discovered when he was at Cambridge, shouldn't be studied at Oxford? Of course 
not, knowledge belongs to everyone and no one. When you do science you add (or 
hope to) to the endless store of man's knowledge about himself and the world. 
That is the point of it, it doesn't exist just as cheap advertising to further 
the aims of special interest groups no matter how reliant you are on it. 

This a genuine low point for the TMO, they should come to their senses and 
retract this lawsuit, you cannot copyright science (in a sane world) It's done 
for the betterment of all mankind. They are destined to lose and look like a 
bunch of greedy corporate lowlifes. The only way they'll be able to convince 
anyone is if they demonstrate that Knoles isn't teaching TM anymore. Which they 
won't obviously.

Whether the teachers that taught in the studies were certified by the TMO is 
irrelevant to whether the research is accurate, anyone can use the findings of 
science to enrich or criticise, add to their own ideas or debunk. If King Tony 
and raja Hagelin have any scientific curiosity left in them they would 
censure this legal cocksucker and send him back to whatever slime pit he 
crawled from.

What next Buck, suing people here for having opinions that are contrary to the 
accepted right way of thinking? If you aren't careful you may get what you 
wish for and the TMO will end up with all the credibility of Scientology. Yeah, 
I know it's in that ballpark already with most people who have experienced it's 
inner workings, but I'm talking about the public in general. No one is going to 
think this is a good idea because it quite simply isn't. 

Is this what it comes down to, checking for copyright infringement at 
paranormal conventions? It doesn't sound like the Age of Enlightenment. 

I hope Thom Knoles wins and the TMO gets massive egg on its face. 





 Knoles declined and largely defended his biography. His attorney said
he did learn under the Maharishi, was personally awarded an honorary
doctorate by him, and had become an acclaimed teacher of yoga
by age 20.

Oddly
enough, the foundation hasn't sued Knoles, for strategic reasons
Zaiger said were confidential. Instead, it filed a lawsuit in 2011
against The Meditation House, an Iowa corporation owned by life coach
Jules Green, who promotes Vedic Meditation on her website.
The
lawsuit seeks an order preventing Green from mentioning
transcendental meditation studies in her advertising,”
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/

Yea But, the really interesting thing
here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue
to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark
assertion.. as Sal notes: but
there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were
trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi).  That is interesting.  

40,000 TM teachers out there in the world
trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher
re-certs.  The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals
continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this
particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and
withstands the new TM legal department together.  The Maharishi
Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm 
on
retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching
outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came
post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and sign
papers again restricting their teaching.  Apparently the group of UK
TM teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck
together.  Damned scorpions.
-Buck

steve.sundur wrote :


Sal, ..  Your strict adherence to everything science has dulled your 
sensitivity to nuance.

You've got that knee jerk, TM bash move down pat.

mjackson74@... wrote :


Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer 
to Sal on this he is in a position to know.


Sal writing:

It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The 
Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who quit when 
Marshy put the price up so high it put them out of business. They have a few 
centres and hold courses in a country house where they teach the TMSP too. 

The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there isn't 
much they can do as all the teachers were trained

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread salyavin808
 out of business. They have a few 
centres and hold courses in a country house where they teach the TMSP too. 
 

 The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there isn't 
much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy. 
 

 I know people who go on their courses, they always tell me that I musn't 
mention it to people in the movement, which says it all about the TMO really. 
The same guy was telling me that someone asked him if it was true that people 
get brainwashed in the TMO, he said of course not. 
 

 Anyway, they seem to be doing well and actually making money out of it which 
is the TM teachers dream, but then they don't have to give half to the TMO. Bad 
feelings about that too I shouldn't wonder.
 

 From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 
 
   Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires that 
the split off group has a coherent organization. I don't know if the initiators 
in England have this.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 the Movement already split - don't forget the renegade initiators in England

 

 From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:56 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 
 
   Species, Corporations, Religions, Cults, as is the nature of change, always, 
if they persist, break apart or become extinct. A schism is always eventually 
in the cards for the TM movement. It is said shortly after his death, the 
followers of Buddha broke into some two dozen different sects. You can see how 
Christianity split over time. There seem to be fewer splits among Muslims, 
perhaps a reflection of the dark ferocity of their memes. The Mormons, barely a 
religion after 150 years, have split six times. And look at all the different 
Hindu flavours. It is almost a no-brainer prediction that the TM movement will 
at some point split. *Already there are many teachers in various countries 
teaching outside the movement purview.* 
 

 I would say that movements in which the participants are unable to think for 
themselves are likely to cohere together longer than those in which mental 
freedom and expression are given freer reign. Onward Lemmings!
 

 Rick does not have to do anything to weaken the movement, it will break 
naturally of its own accord, it is already frayed around the edges. While you 
might try to do something to arrest progress, eventually you will fail. That is 
the nature of evolution.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 


 It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken 
the Movement.

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote :

 An organizer asked me to post this.
  
 www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/ 

  

 Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself.

  

 One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on 
assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). 
  

 Ask yourself on November 30th:

  

 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 

 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. 
If not, then don't. 

 That should always be the test. On the individual level. 

  

 For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch the 
recording afterwards:

  

 www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/


  







 




 


 












 


 
























[FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-15 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Yep, I never had much interest in being super rich, or famous, just happy, and 
successful, with myself, my family, and my friends, which can be enough of a 
challenge, if you always dream big. Those that go after fame and fortune, 
dedicate themselves 100% to the goal. And they succeed. Some of these people in 
interviews, express, how, at the age of five or so, they wanted to be on stage, 
or vowed to themselves, to be rich. Very one-pointed. 
 I am happy, and ordinary, and ecstatic right now, as it has just started 
*pouring rain*, a sound I haven't heard since one night in the mountains, back 
in March! Jai Guru WATER! Such a soothing sound for us all, in this drought. 
Yay!
 

 Being ordinary or not ordinary is simply a matter of public opinion. If 
enough people choose to recognize someone as extraordinary then suddenly the 
Paris Hiltons or the Miley Cyruses of the world are special. If Da Vinci's work 
had not been recognized as viewable and astounding by as many people as it did 
when he was alive and continued on afterwards then it, too, would have been 
relegated to the ordinary and it was far from that. So, ordinary as defined 
by bawee has nothing to do with real value or exceptional qualities in our 
current world. It is more about how famous you are, how recognized. Every 
single human being is more than ordinary by the mere fact it developed from 
an egg and sperm joining together and ultimately developed into a breathing, 
functioning organism. In my world ordinary simply does not exist. This whole 
freaking place is a bloody miracle including every single human who inhabits 
the place. But we already know bawee's altar is the television set and what 
appears on it.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Oh, I missed this from Barry.   

 Barry, this is attempt on your part, to remind yourself of this, right?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Turq:  There is NO ONE on this forum who has accomplished much of *anything* 
with their lives, as measured by either riches or fame. Certainly no TM TB on 
this forum has ever accomplished much of anything. What is WRONG with reminding 
these people how fuckin' ORDINARY they are? 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Its all about the money Sal - the Movement is trying to protect its pocket 
book.

 

 Of course, and this is one of the last avenues left. The Indies in the UK 
claim that the actions of Maharishi and the TMO left them unable to make a 
living due to unfair business practises. So it would be foolhardy to tackle 
them in open court about that, everyone would get to see what goes on behind 
closed doors, would be interesting though...
 

 But this is a low point for them, I'd be embarrassed to even try and stop 
people using science when they are using it for the same reasons they use it 
themselves. The last thing they should be wanting is a reputation for relying 
on lawyers, talk about undermining the principle of right action and the 
coherence effects of TM!
 

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:47 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 
 
This is outrageous! Of course the scientific research applies to both 
schools. They are teaching the same thing! Do you think Newtons laws of 
gravity, discovered when he was at Cambridge, shouldn't be studied at Oxford? 
Of course not, knowledge belongs to everyone and no one. When you do science 
you add (or hope to) to the endless store of man's knowledge about himself and 
the world. That is the point of it, it doesn't exist just as cheap advertising 
to further the aims of special interest groups no matter how reliant you are on 
it. 
 

 This a genuine low point for the TMO, they should come to their senses and 
retract this lawsuit, you cannot copyright science (in a sane world) It's done 
for the betterment of all mankind. They are destined to lose and look like a 
bunch of greedy corporate lowlifes. The only way they'll be able to convince 
anyone is if they demonstrate that Knoles isn't teaching TM anymore. Which they 
won't obviously.
 

 Whether the teachers that taught in the studies were certified by the TMO is 
irrelevant to whether the research is accurate, anyone can use the findings of 
science to enrich or criticise, add to their own ideas or debunk. If King Tony 
and raja Hagelin have any scientific curiosity left in them they would 
censure this legal cocksucker and send him back to whatever slime pit he 
crawled from.
 

 What next Buck, suing people here for having opinions that are contrary to the 
accepted right way of thinking? If you aren't careful you may get what you 
wish for and the TMO will end up with all the credibility of Scientology. Yeah, 
I know it's in that ballpark already with most people who have experienced it's 
inner workings, but I'm talking about the public in general. No one is going to 
think this is a good idea because it quite simply isn't. 
 

 Is this what it comes down to, checking for copyright infringement at 
paranormal conventions? It doesn't sound like the Age of Enlightenment. 
 

 I hope Thom Knoles wins and the TMO gets massive egg on its face. 
 

 
 
  Knoles declined and largely defended his biography. His attorney said he did 
learn under the Maharishi, was personally awarded an honorary doctorate by him, 
and had become an acclaimed teacher of yoga by age 20.

 Oddly enough, the foundation hasn't sued Knoles, for strategic reasons Zaiger 
said were confidential. Instead, it filed a lawsuit in 2011 against The 
Meditation House, an Iowa corporation owned by life coach Jules Green, who 
promotes Vedic Meditation on her website.
 The lawsuit seeks an order preventing Green from mentioning transcendental 
meditation studies in her advertising,”
 
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/
 
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/
 

 Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM 
teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt 
of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) 
can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi).  
That is interesting.  
 

 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and 
a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department sharp-shoots 
old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an 
infringement but this particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck 
together and withstands the new TM legal department together. The Maharishi 
Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm 
on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside 
the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or 
at the end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting their 
teaching. Apparently

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
TM Movement = big on big talk, real shy on right action




 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


Its all about the money Sal - the Movement is trying to protect its pocket book.


Of course, and this is one of the last avenues left. The Indies in the UK claim 
that the actions of Maharishi and the TMO left them unable to make a living due 
to unfair business practises. So it would be foolhardy to tackle them in open 
court about that, everyone would get to see what goes on behind closed doors, 
would be interesting though...

But this is a low point for them, I'd be embarrassed to even try and stop 
people using science when they are using it for the same reasons they use it 
themselves. The last thing they should be wanting is a reputation for relying 
on lawyers, talk about undermining the principle of right action and the 
coherence effects of TM!



 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:47 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement



 
 This is outrageous! Of course the scientific research applies to both schools. 
They are teaching the same thing! Do you think Newtons laws of gravity, 
discovered when he was at Cambridge, shouldn't be studied at Oxford? Of course 
not, knowledge belongs to everyone and no one. When you do science you add (or 
hope to) to the endless store of man's knowledge about himself and the world. 
That is the point of it, it doesn't exist just as cheap advertising to further 
the aims of special interest groups no matter how reliant you are on it. 

This a genuine low point for the TMO, they should come to their senses and 
retract this lawsuit, you cannot copyright science (in a sane world) It's done 
for the betterment of all mankind. They are destined to lose and look like a 
bunch of greedy corporate lowlifes. The only way they'll be able to convince 
anyone is if they demonstrate that Knoles isn't teaching TM
anymore. Which they won't obviously.

Whether the teachers that taught in the studies were certified by the TMO is 
irrelevant to whether the research is accurate, anyone can use the findings of 
science to enrich or criticise, add to their own ideas or debunk. If King Tony 
and raja Hagelin have any scientific curiosity left in them they would 
censure this legal cocksucker and send him back to whatever slime pit he 
crawled from.

What next Buck, suing people here for having opinions that are contrary to the 
accepted right way of thinking? If you aren't careful you may get what you 
wish for and the TMO will end up with all the credibility of Scientology. Yeah, 
I know it's in that ballpark already with most people who have experienced it's 
inner workings, but I'm talking about the public in general. No one is going to 
think this is a good idea because it quite simply
isn't. 

Is this what it comes down to, checking for copyright infringement at 
paranormal conventions? It doesn't sound like the Age of Enlightenment. 

I hope Thom Knoles wins and the TMO gets massive egg on its face. 





 Knoles declined and largely defended his biography. His attorney said
he did learn under the Maharishi, was personally awarded an honorary
doctorate by him, and had become an acclaimed teacher of yoga
by age 20.

Oddly
enough, the foundation hasn't sued Knoles, for strategic reasons
Zaiger said were confidential. Instead, it filed a lawsuit in 2011
against The Meditation House, an Iowa corporation owned by life coach
Jules Green, who promotes Vedic Meditation on her website.
The
lawsuit seeks an order preventing Green from mentioning
transcendental meditation studies in her advertising,”
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/

Yea But, the really interesting thing
here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue
to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark
assertion.. as Sal notes: but
there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were
trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi).  That is interesting.  

40,000 TM teachers out there in the world
trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher
re-certs.  The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals
continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this
particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and
withstands the new TM legal department together.  The Maharishi
Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm 
on
retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching
outside the TM teacher re-certification

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread nablusoss1008
It includes the armed men we caught on the bridge between hotels Sonnenberg and 
Kulm. It also includes dozens of agents that took TTC many of whom went on to 
Purusha. It also includeds Governors so poor that when they waved a few 
thousands dollars in front of their anemic noses they did almost anything to 
make their new masters happy. 
 Not that they had to do much, a weekly report sent to their accounting officer 
was all that was needed to adhere to the strict rules of economic 
self-suffisciency always present within the Movement. So when we started 
looking, which included asking a few questions in the countries they came from, 
they needed some pretty good explanation to where the money came from.
 Now, that's what I call a real enemy that was always fun to try to track. They 
did it not because they had some screews loose but to protect their country, 
which is a honorable thing to do. 
 The wacko's of today has no such honor and cannot touch the Movement.  All 
they'll accomplish is some momentary swelling of ego's already out of control.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were asking me 
to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were certifiably paranoid 
and committed to a them vs. us mentality. 


I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes this 
because Maharishi believed it.  :-)




 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 


  
It includes the armed men we caught on the bridge between hotels Sonnenberg and 
Kulm. It also includes dozens of agents that took TTC many of whom went on to 
Purusha. It also includeds Governors so poor that when they waved a few 
thousands dollars in front of their anemic noses they did almost anything to 
make their new masters happy. 
Not that they had to do much, a weekly report sent to their accounting officer 
was all that was needed to adhere to the strict rules of economic 
self-suffisciency always present within the Movement. So when we started 
looking, which included asking a few questions in the countries they came from, 
they needed some pretty good explanation to where the money came from.
Now, that's what I call a real enemy that was always fun to try to track. They 
did it not because they had some screews loose but to protect their country, 
which is a honorable thing to do. 
The wacko's of today has no such honor and cannot touch the Movement.  All 
they'll accomplish is some momentary swelling of ego's already out of control.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were asking me 
to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were certifiably paranoid 
and committed to a them vs. us mentality. 

 

 I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes this 
because Maharishi believed it.  :-)

 

 Now our bawee has to spoon feed the imaginary lurking reporters (who are 
apparently brain dead and illiterate) the supposed facts. Lurking reporters, do 
you have enough proof now that bawee is a git?
 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 
 
   It includes the armed men we caught on the bridge between hotels Sonnenberg 
and Kulm. It also includes dozens of agents that took TTC many of whom went on 
to Purusha. It also includeds Governors so poor that when they waved a few 
thousands dollars in front of their anemic noses they did almost anything to 
make their new masters happy.
 Not that they had to do much, a weekly report sent to their accounting officer 
was all that was needed to adhere to the strict rules of economic 
self-suffisciency always present within the Movement. So when we started 
looking, which included asking a few questions in the countries they came from, 
they needed some pretty good explanation to where the money came from.
 Now, that's what I call a real enemy that was always fun to try to track. They 
did it not because they had some screews loose but to protect their country, 
which is a honorable thing to do.
 The wacko's of today has no such honor and cannot touch the Movement.  All 
they'll accomplish is some momentary swelling of ego's already out of control.
 
















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread salyavin808

 Governors so poor they had anaemia? That's quite a statement all on its own!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 It includes the armed men we caught on the bridge between hotels Sonnenberg 
and Kulm. It also includes dozens of agents that took TTC many of whom went on 
to Purusha. It also includeds Governors so poor that when they waved a few 
thousands dollars in front of their anemic noses they did almost anything to 
make their new masters happy.
 Not that they had to do much, a weekly report sent to their accounting officer 
was all that was needed to adhere to the strict rules of economic 
self-suffisciency always present within the Movement. So when we started 
looking, which included asking a few questions in the countries they came from, 
they needed some pretty good explanation to where the money came from.
 Now, that's what I call a real enemy that was always fun to try to track. They 
did it not because they had some screews loose but to protect their country, 
which is a honorable thing to do.
 The wacko's of today has no such honor and cannot touch the Movement.  All 
they'll accomplish is some momentary swelling of ego's already out of control.





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread nablusoss1008
Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it.  :-)
 

 Nonsense. I don't believe in it, I know it happened because I was part of it. 
Even one of my friends was caught red-handed with a letter to his accounting 
officer and quickly admitted to having work for the German intelligence, who 
was just a subdivision of the CIA. Maharishi simply asked him if he would break 
the ties, he did and is fulltime in the Movement to this day.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

German intelligence, who was just a subdivision of the CIA

Proof positive of a paranoid freak




 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 


  
Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it.  :-)

Nonsense. I don't believe in it, I know it happened because I was part of it. 
Even one of my friends was caught red-handed with a letter to his accounting 
officer and quickly admitted to having work for the German intelligence, who 
was just a subdivision of the CIA. Maharishi simply asked him if he would break 
the ties, he did and is fulltime in the Movement to this day.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
 that someone asked him if 
it was true that people get brainwashed in the TMO, he said of course 
not.


Anyway, they seem to be doing well and actually making money out of it 
which is the TM teachers dream, but then they don't have to give half 
to the TMO. Bad feelings about that too I shouldn't wonder.



*From:* anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires 
that the split off group has a coherent organization. I don't know if 
the initiators in England have this.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

the Movement already split - don't forget the renegade initiators in 
England



*From:* anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 8:56 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

Species, Corporations, Religions, Cults, as is the nature of change, 
always, if they persist, break apart or become extinct. A schism is 
always eventually in the cards for the TM movement. It is said shortly 
after his death, the followers of Buddha broke into some two dozen 
different sects. You can see how Christianity split over time. There 
seem to be fewer splits among Muslims, perhaps a reflection of the 
dark ferocity of their memes. The Mormons, barely a religion after 150 
years, have split six times. And look at all the different Hindu 
flavours. It is almost a no-brainer prediction that the TM movement 
will at some point split.*Already there are many teachers in various 
countries teaching outside the movement purview.*


I would say that movements in which the participants are unable to 
think for themselves are likely to cohere together longer than those 
in which mental freedom and expression are given freer reign. Onward 
Lemmings!


Rick does not have to do anything to weaken the movement, it will 
break naturally of its own accord, it is already frayed around the 
edges. While you might try to do something to arrest progress, 
eventually you will fail. That is the nature of evolution.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :



It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and 
weaken the Movement.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote :

An organizer asked me to post this.
www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/
Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself.
One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be 
focused on assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is 
far less relevant).

Ask yourself on November 30th:
1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life?
2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and 
use it. If not, then don't.

That should always be the test. On the individual level.
For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch 
the recording afterwards:

www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/








Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
First off, I am willing to believe the CIA did send folks to check on what 
Marshy was doing since they and our FBI have certainly infiltrated many a group 
to see what they were about. 


But you seem to allege that there were dozens of agents - not likely maybe one 
or two but Marshy never merited that kind of attention that would require 
dozens of CIA agents.

Plus the way you tell it, Movement security (which has always been a joke in 
every Movement facility I was ever in, and that includes your German Purusha 
Nazi types who wear swastikas under their ties and celebrate Uncle Adolph's 
birthday) that means Movement security was way more savvy and astute than 
trained CIA agents??? Not likely.




 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 


  
Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it.  :-)

Nonsense. I don't believe in it, I know it happened because I was part of it. 
Even one of my friends was caught red-handed with a letter to his accounting 
officer and quickly admitted to having work for the German intelligence, who 
was just a subdivision of the CIA. Maharishi simply asked him if he would break 
the ties, he did and is fulltime in the Movement to this day.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 First off, I am willing to believe the CIA did send folks to check on what 
Marshy was doing since they and our FBI have certainly infiltrated many a group 
to see what they were about. 

 

 They'd be silly not to, especially a group who claim they can influence world 
events at a distance and without the governments consent. I don't know how long 
it would take before they came to the conclusion they were dealing with a bunch 
of harmless fruitcakes.
 

 Maybe they had to investigate the financial dealings as well?
 

 But you seem to allege that there were dozens of agents - not likely maybe one 
or two but Marshy never merited that kind of attention that would require 
dozens of CIA agents.
 

 Wouldn't be worth their while, not in the middle of the cold war, I'd hope 
they thought they had better things to do!
 

 Plus the way you tell it, Movement security (which has always been a joke in 
every Movement facility I was ever in, and that includes your German Purusha 
Nazi types who wear swastikas under their ties and celebrate Uncle Adolph's 
birthday) that means Movement security was way more savvy and astute than 
trained CIA agents??? Not likely.

 

 I couldn't imagine a simpler group to infiltrate, all you have to do is learn 
to meditate and ask to help at the centre and you're in! I worked at head 
office for years and no one ever asked me anything, they just assumed I was 
kosher.This trust is one of the nice things about them I think. 
 

 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 
 
   Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it.  :-)
 

 Nonsense. I don't believe in it, I know it happened because I was part of it. 
Even one of my friends was caught red-handed with a letter to his accounting 
officer and quickly admitted to having work for the German intelligence, who 
was just a subdivision of the CIA. Maharishi simply asked him if he would break 
the ties, he did and is fulltime in the Movement to this day.


 


 











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Note to Lurking Reporters. 

 Dear RP's.
 

 Does it seem strange that this 70 year old man, Mr. Barry Wright, spends as 
much time as he does trying to find faults in an organization he left some 40 
years ago?
 

 Does it seem odd, that he would become so animated when he finds what he feels 
is an out of whack comment by another member of the forum, as though all the 
time he puts in here, has had some payoff?
 

 Does it, again, seem odd, that another member here, Mr. Michael Jackson, seems 
to have taken on, as a part of his life mission uncovering all the faults of 
the TM organization and it's founder, repeating the same lines over and over 
each day?
 

 Dear Mr. and Ms. Lurking Reporters.  Please reveal yourselves, and weight in 
on some of issues and behaviors you observe here.
 

 One word of caution though. If you response does not meet with the 
expectations of Mr. Wright, he will turn on you in angry fashion as he did with 
another member here a week or so ago.
 

 If interested, you can re-visit this exchange between Mr. Wright, and a 
Mr.Blue Bungalow.
 

 Mr. Wright went positively ballistic.
 

 Mr. Bungalow, remained nonplussed.
 

 Sort of revealing, I'd say for the guy who claims to be so unattached to 
anything that goes on here.
 

 Just sayin'
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were asking me 
to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were certifiably paranoid 
and committed to a them vs. us mentality. 

 

 I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes this 
because Maharishi believed it.  :-)

 

 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 
 
   It includes the armed men we caught on the bridge between hotels Sonnenberg 
and Kulm. It also includes dozens of agents that took TTC many of whom went on 
to Purusha. It also includeds Governors so poor that when they waved a few 
thousands dollars in front of their anemic noses they did almost anything to 
make their new masters happy.
 Not that they had to do much, a weekly report sent to their accounting officer 
was all that was needed to adhere to the strict rules of economic 
self-suffisciency always present within the Movement. So when we started 
looking, which included asking a few questions in the countries they came from, 
they needed some pretty good explanation to where the money came from.
 Now, that's what I call a real enemy that was always fun to try to track. They 
did it not because they had some screews loose but to protect their country, 
which is a honorable thing to do.
 The wacko's of today has no such honor and cannot touch the Movement.  All 
they'll accomplish is some momentary swelling of ego's already out of control.
 

















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-15 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
well, of course they infiltrated the group.  to what extent, I  have no idea.  
just like they probably infiltrate any number of organizations. 

 try to enlighten your friend Barry, that this type of thing is done.
 

 the scenario Nabby puts forth sounds a little extreme, but I have no idea.  
 

 I was not aware of the things he describes.  On the other hand, I was in 
Seelisberg only one time.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 First off, I am willing to believe the CIA did send folks to check on what 
Marshy was doing since they and our FBI have certainly infiltrated many a group 
to see what they were about. 

 

 But you seem to allege that there were dozens of agents - not likely maybe one 
or two but Marshy never merited that kind of attention that would require 
dozens of CIA agents.
 

 Plus the way you tell it, Movement security (which has always been a joke in 
every Movement facility I was ever in, and that includes your German Purusha 
Nazi types who wear swastikas under their ties and celebrate Uncle Adolph's 
birthday) that means Movement security was way more savvy and astute than 
trained CIA agents??? Not likely.

 

 From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 
 
   Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it.  :-)
 

 Nonsense. I don't believe in it, I know it happened because I was part of it. 
Even one of my friends was caught red-handed with a letter to his accounting 
officer and quickly admitted to having work for the German intelligence, who 
was just a subdivision of the CIA. Maharishi simply asked him if he would break 
the ties, he did and is fulltime in the Movement to this day.


 


 












[FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-14 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

 Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM 
teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt 
of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) 
can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi).  
That is interesting. 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by 
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM 
legal department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they 
were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK 
scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal department 
together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a 
trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down 
old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a 
project that came post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and 
sign papers again restricting their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM 
teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned 
scorpions.
 

 That's so badly written I can't tell if the damned scorpions are the ones 
continuing to teach the way they were taught to, or if they're the re-certified 
legal department trying to stop them.
 

 Given your love of transcending I would have thought you'd just be happy that 
more people are getting the chance to try it. Maybe you get upset because it 
skews the coherence numbers and you know that makes it less likely that the 
Marshy Effect works because there are prolly twice as many people meditating as 
you thought. No need to call for more people in the domes if we should all be 
floating anyway huh?
 

 Or maybe it's because they deprive the national office with money, but you're 
always complaining about the way they run things anyway. And just think, the 
fewer people in the official TMO the fewer there are being conned into forking 
out the readies for the yagya programme or the thousand headed bone-idle mug 
punters who'd be a lot better off getting a job and paying their own way in 
life. 
 

 I remember the first re-certification course, your opinion of it's purpose may 
differ but it seemed like just another way of screwing the faithful out of 
their last few meagre savings. Did you know people were sitting the domes 
crying at the sheer pointless waste of time and money as the bigwigs viciously 
fleeced them in return for astoundingly useful and unique information like how 
to open a bank account? And all so they could continue to practise something 
that they'd paid a fortune and devoted their lives to many years before.
 

 Only time will tell which group has whatever it is that appeals to the masses, 
the faux Hindoo certified TMO or the faux Hindoo non-certified but completely 
identical ex-TMO. 
 

 Did you think the age of enlightenment was going to be as entertaining as this?
 

 

 -Buck
 

 steve.sundur wrote :
 
 Sal, ..  Your strict adherence to everything science has dulled your 
sensitivity to nuance. 

 You've got that knee jerk, TM bash move down pat.
 

 mjackson74@... wrote : 
 Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer 
to Sal on this he is in a position to know.

 

 Sal writing:
 

 It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The 
Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who quit when 
Marshy put the price up so high it put them out of business. They have a few 
centres and hold courses in a country house where they teach the TMSP too. 
 

 The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there isn't 
much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy. 
 

 I know people who go on their courses, they always tell me that I musn't 
mention it to people in the movement, which says it all about the TMO really. 
The same guy was telling me that someone asked him if it was true that people 
get brainwashed in the TMO, he said of course not. 
 

 Anyway, they seem to be doing well and actually making money out of it which 
is the TM teachers dream, but then they don't have to give half to the TMO. Bad 
feelings about that too I shouldn't wonder.
 

 From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 
 
   Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires that 
the split off group has a coherent organization. I don't know if the initiators 
in England have this.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 the Movement already split - don't forget the renegade initiators in England

 

 From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-14 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the 
whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws.




 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :


Yea But, the really interesting thing
here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue
to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark
assertion.. as Sal notes: but
there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were
trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi).  That is interesting.  40,000 TM 
teachers out there in the world
trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher
re-certs.  The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals
continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this
particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and
withstands the new TM legal department together.  The Maharishi
Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm 
on
retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching
outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came
post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and sign
papers again restricting their teaching.  Apparently the group of UK
TM teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck
together.  Damned scorpions.

That's so badly written I can't tell if the damned scorpions are the ones 
continuing to teach the way they were taught to, or if they're the re-certified 
legal department trying to stop them.

Given your love of transcending I would have thought you'd just be happy that 
more people are getting the chance to try it. Maybe you get upset because it 
skews the coherence numbers and you know that makes it less likely that the 
Marshy Effect works because there are prolly twice as many people meditating as 
you thought. No need to call for more people in the domes if we should all be 
floating anyway huh?

Or maybe it's because they deprive the national office with money, but you're 
always complaining about the way they run things anyway. And just think, the 
fewer people in the official TMO the fewer there are being conned into forking 
out the readies for the yagya programme or the thousand headed bone-idle mug 
punters who'd be a lot better off getting a job and paying their own way in 
life. 

I remember the first re-certification course, your opinion of it's purpose may 
differ but it seemed like just another way of screwing the faithful out of 
their last few meagre savings. Did you know people were sitting the domes 
crying at the sheer pointless waste of time and money as the bigwigs viciously 
fleeced them in return for astoundingly useful and unique information like how 
to open a bank account? And all so they could continue to practise something 
that they'd paid a fortune and devoted their lives to many years before.

Only time will tell which group has whatever it is that appeals to the masses, 
the faux Hindoo certified TMO or the faux Hindoo non-certified but completely 
identical ex-TMO. 

Did you think the age of enlightenment was going to be as entertaining as this?


-Buck

steve.sundur wrote :


Sal, ..  Your strict adherence to everything science has dulled your 
sensitivity to nuance.

You've got that knee jerk, TM bash move down pat.

mjackson74@... wrote :


Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer 
to Sal on this he is in a position to know.


Sal writing:

It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The 
Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who quit when 
Marshy put the price up so high it put them out of business. They have a few 
centres and hold courses in a country house where they teach the TMSP too. 

The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there isn't 
much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy. 

I know people who go on their courses, they always tell me that I musn't 
mention it to people in the movement, which says it all about the TMO really. 
The same guy was telling me that someone asked him if it was true that people 
get brainwashed in the TMO, he said of course not. 

Anyway, they seem to be doing well and actually making money out of it which is 
the TM teachers dream, but then they don't have to give half to the TMO. Bad 
feelings about that too I shouldn't wonder.



 From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov.
30



 
Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires that the 
split off group

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-14 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 


  
Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the 
whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws.




 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 

What I find difficult to comprehend is how grown men like Doug/Buck or Steve or 
Lawson or Nabby can *possibly* get their panties so in a twist when someone 
criticizes a group they first identified with 20 to 40 years ago. 

Did these guys just never *grow up*? 

HOW can anyone *possibly* get uptight when someone criticizes a teacher they 
once worked with years ago? Especially one who is (wait for it) DEAD? 

HOW can someone get pissed off when someone criticizes something they *believe* 
in? Don't they *realize* that beliefs are just transitory thoughts, which, like 
thoughts during meditation, should just be ignored as they pass by and not held 
onto? HOW could they possibly be so *attached* to these things they were taught 
to believe in decades ago?

Finally, HOW can they get so uptight when someone such as myself or Salyavin or 
Michael reminds them that THEY JUST AREN'T NEARLY AS IMPORTANT AS THEY THINK 
THEY ARE? There is NO ONE on this forum who has accomplished much of *anything* 
with their lives, as measured by either riches or fame. Certainly no TM TB on 
this forum has ever accomplished much of anything. What is WRONG with reminding 
these people how fuckin' ORDINARY they are? 

It's difficult for people like Doug/Buck or Steve or Lawson or Nabby to make a 
case for TM *not* being a cult when they act so much like cultists. Who ELSE in 
the world acts the way they do OTHER THAN cultists?



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :


Yea But, the really interesting thing
here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue
to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark
assertion.. as Sal notes: but
there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were
trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi).  That is interesting.  40,000 TM 
teachers out there in the world
trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher
re-certs.  The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals
continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this
particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and
withstands the new TM legal department together.  The Maharishi
Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm 
on
retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching
outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came
post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and sign
papers again restricting their teaching.  Apparently the group of UK
TM teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck
together.  Damned scorpions.

That's so badly written I can't tell if the damned scorpions are the ones 
continuing to teach the way they were taught to, or if they're the re-certified 
legal department trying to stop them.

Given your love of transcending I would have thought you'd just be happy that 
more people are getting the chance to try it. Maybe you get upset because it 
skews the coherence numbers and you know that makes it less likely that the 
Marshy Effect works because there are prolly twice as many people meditating as 
you thought. No need to call for more people in the domes if we should all be 
floating anyway huh?

Or maybe it's because they deprive the national office with money, but you're 
always complaining about the way they run things anyway. And just think, the 
fewer people in the official TMO the fewer there are being conned into forking 
out the readies for the yagya programme or the thousand headed bone-idle mug 
punters who'd be a lot better off getting a job and paying their own way in 
life. 

I remember the first re-certification course, your opinion of it's purpose may 
differ but it seemed like just another way of screwing the faithful out of 
their last few meagre savings. Did you know people were sitting the domes 
crying at the sheer pointless waste of time and money as the bigwigs viciously 
fleeced them in return for astoundingly useful and unique information like how 
to open a bank account? And all so they could continue to practise something 
that they'd paid a fortune and devoted their lives to many years before.

Only time will tell which group has whatever it is that appeals to the masses, 
the faux Hindoo certified TMO or the faux Hindoo non-certified but completely 
identical ex

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-14 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
you miss the point Barry.  You are simply a button pusher, with no real 
interest in anything other than trying to get a rise out of people, and assert 
your superior outlook on life.  A funny way to live, but if it brings you some 
modicum of happiness, then stay with it it, I guess. 

 

 

 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 12:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 
 
   Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the 
whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws.


 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 

 What I find difficult to comprehend is how grown men like Doug/Buck or Steve 
or Lawson or Nabby can *possibly* get their panties so in a twist when someone 
criticizes a group they first identified with 20 to 40 years ago. 

Did these guys just never *grow up*? 

HOW can anyone *possibly* get uptight when someone criticizes a teacher they 
once worked with years ago? Especially one who is (wait for it) DEAD? 

HOW can someone get pissed off when someone criticizes something they *believe* 
in? Don't they *realize* that beliefs are just transitory thoughts, which, like 
thoughts during meditation, should just be ignored as they pass by and not held 
onto? HOW could they possibly be so *attached* to these things they were taught 
to believe in decades ago?

Finally, HOW can they get so uptight when someone such as myself or Salyavin or 
Michael reminds them that THEY JUST AREN'T NEARLY AS IMPORTANT AS THEY THINK 
THEY ARE? There is NO ONE on this forum who has accomplished much of *anything* 
with their lives, as measured by either riches or fame. Certainly no TM TB on 
this forum has ever accomplished much of anything. What is WRONG with reminding 
these people how fuckin' ORDINARY they are? 

It's difficult for people like Doug/Buck or Steve or Lawson or Nabby to make a 
case for TM *not* being a cult when they act so much like cultists. Who ELSE in 
the world acts the way they do OTHER THAN cultists?


 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

 Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM 
teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt 
of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) 
can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi).  
That is interesting. 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by 
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM 
legal department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they 
were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK 
scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal department 
together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a 
trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down 
old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a 
project that came post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and 
sign papers again restricting their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM 
teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned 
scorpions.
 

 That's so badly written I can't tell if the damned scorpions are the ones 
continuing to teach the way they were taught to, or if they're the re-certified 
legal department trying to stop them.
 

 Given your love of transcending I would have thought you'd just be happy that 
more people are getting the chance to try it. Maybe you get upset because it 
skews the coherence numbers and you know that makes it less likely that the 
Marshy Effect works because there are prolly twice as many people meditating as 
you thought. No need to call for more people in the domes if we should all be 
floating anyway huh?
 

 Or maybe it's because they deprive the national office with money, but you're 
always complaining about the way they run things anyway. And just think, the 
fewer people in the official TMO the fewer there are being conned into forking 
out the readies for the yagya programme or the thousand headed bone-idle mug 
punters who'd be a lot better off getting a job and paying their own way in 
life. 
 

 I remember the first re-certification course, your opinion of it's purpose may 
differ but it seemed like just another way of screwing the faithful out of 
their last few meagre savings. Did you know people were sitting the domes 
crying at the sheer pointless waste of time and money as the bigwigs viciously 
fleeced them in return for astoundingly useful and unique

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-14 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the 
whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws.

 

 Funny thing is, I don't say anything that Buck hasn't already said, he doesn't 
like how things are run and quotes a great many of his friends who like TM but 
don't have anything to do with the movement. It's the oldest story there is. 
 

 And it's only the cultish greed and madness of the Maharishi and the TMO that 
drove the indie teachers away in the first place. I know because I was there! 
All they want to do is teach what they think is the best thing on Earth and 
they weren't allowed to because of the high prices and control freakery in 
Vlodrop. So they bailed. 
 

 They think that Marshy lost the plot in his later years and didn't know what 
he was doing, so they continue to teach what they were taught by him when he 
was more compos mentis. All in their opinion of course, but looking at the way 
things went after Scorpionland and the rajas maybe they are on the smart side 
of history, it isn't like any of it has been popular with anyone but the 
hardcore. And it was alienating to the rest of us. 
 

 I honestly thought Buck would be happy about more people learning TM but I 
don't think he is. Go figure.
 

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

 Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM 
teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt 
of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) 
can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi).  
That is interesting. 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by 
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM 
legal department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they 
were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK 
scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal department 
together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a 
trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down 
old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a 
project that came post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and 
sign papers again restricting their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM 
teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned 
scorpions.
 

 That's so badly written I can't tell if the damned scorpions are the ones 
continuing to teach the way they were taught to, or if they're the re-certified 
legal department trying to stop them.
 

 Given your love of transcending I would have thought you'd just be happy that 
more people are getting the chance to try it. Maybe you get upset because it 
skews the coherence numbers and you know that makes it less likely that the 
Marshy Effect works because there are prolly twice as many people meditating as 
you thought. No need to call for more people in the domes if we should all be 
floating anyway huh?
 

 Or maybe it's because they deprive the national office with money, but you're 
always complaining about the way they run things anyway. And just think, the 
fewer people in the official TMO the fewer there are being conned into forking 
out the readies for the yagya programme or the thousand headed bone-idle mug 
punters who'd be a lot better off getting a job and paying their own way in 
life. 
 

 I remember the first re-certification course, your opinion of it's purpose may 
differ but it seemed like just another way of screwing the faithful out of 
their last few meagre savings. Did you know people were sitting the domes 
crying at the sheer pointless waste of time and money as the bigwigs viciously 
fleeced them in return for astoundingly useful and unique information like how 
to open a bank account? And all so they could continue to practise something 
that they'd paid a fortune and devoted their lives to many years before.
 

 Only time will tell which group has whatever it is that appeals to the masses, 
the faux Hindoo certified TMO or the faux Hindoo non-certified but completely 
identical ex-TMO. 
 

 Did you think the age of enlightenment was going to be as entertaining as this?
 

 

 -Buck
 

 steve.sundur wrote :
 
 Sal, ..  Your strict adherence to everything science has dulled your 
sensitivity to nuance. 

 You've got that knee jerk, TM bash move down pat.
 

 mjackson74@... wrote : 
 Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer 
to Sal on this he is in a position to know.

 

 Sal writing:
 

 It's a good question, there are a few

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-14 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the 
whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws.


Funny thing is, I don't say anything that Buck hasn't already said, he doesn't 
like how things are run and quotes a great many of his friends who like TM but 
don't have anything to do with the movement. It's the oldest story there is. 

And it's only the cultish greed and madness of the Maharishi and the TMO that 
drove the indie teachers away in the first place. I know because I was there! 
All they want to do is teach what they think is the best thing on Earth and 
they weren't allowed to because of the high prices and control freakery in 
Vlodrop. So they bailed. 

They think that Marshy lost the plot in his later years and didn't know what he 
was doing, so they continue to teach what they were taught by him when he was 
more compos mentis. All in their opinion of course, but looking at the way 
things went after Scorpionland and the rajas maybe they are on the smart side 
of history, it isn't like any of it has been popular with anyone but the 
hardcore. And it was alienating to the rest of us. 

I honestly thought Buck would be happy about more people learning TM but I 
don't think he is. Go figure.

I honestly think that Buck and Nabby and (increasingly) Steve just don't 
respond to positive stimuli any more. They've been cultists for so long that 
the only thing that seems to make them happy is the belief that they're being 
persecuted. Because if they're worth persecuting, they're important.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-14 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
sort of a funny comment below, Barry.  again, I think it misses the mark, but 
if that's the way you see it...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the 
whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws.

 

 Funny thing is, I don't say anything that Buck hasn't already said, he doesn't 
like how things are run and quotes a great many of his friends who like TM but 
don't have anything to do with the movement. It's the oldest story there is. 
 

 And it's only the cultish greed and madness of the Maharishi and the TMO that 
drove the indie teachers away in the first place. I know because I was there! 
All they want to do is teach what they think is the best thing on Earth and 
they weren't allowed to because of the high prices and control freakery in 
Vlodrop. So they bailed. 
 

 They think that Marshy lost the plot in his later years and didn't know what 
he was doing, so they continue to teach what they were taught by him when he 
was more compos mentis. All in their opinion of course, but looking at the way 
things went after Scorpionland and the rajas maybe they are on the smart side 
of history, it isn't like any of it has been popular with anyone but the 
hardcore. And it was alienating to the rest of us. 
 

 I honestly thought Buck would be happy about more people learning TM but I 
don't think he is. Go figure.
 










I honestly think that Buck and Nabby and (increasingly) Steve just don't 
respond to positive stimuli any more. They've been cultists for so long that 
the only thing that seems to make them happy is the belief that they're being 
persecuted. Because if they're worth persecuting, they're important.










Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-14 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
He's not happy about it because in his heart, he identifies with Marshy and the 
legit TMO - after all they are the ones who started it all, and any 
intimation that their crap is crap makes him feel his life's focus is not 
kosher and he like all those who revere cults and their leaders can't take the 
self image bruising that looking objectively at things requires.




 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the 
whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws.


Funny thing is, I don't say anything that Buck hasn't already said, he doesn't 
like how things are run and quotes a great many of his friends who like TM but 
don't have anything to do with the movement. It's the oldest story there is. 

And it's only the cultish greed and madness of the Maharishi and the TMO that 
drove the indie teachers away in the first place. I know because I was there! 
All they want to do is teach what they think is the best thing on Earth and 
they weren't allowed to because of the high prices and control freakery in 
Vlodrop. So they bailed. 

They think that Marshy lost the plot in his later years and didn't know what he 
was doing, so they continue to teach what they were taught by him when he was 
more compos mentis. All in their opinion of course, but looking at the way 
things went after Scorpionland and the rajas maybe they are on the smart side 
of history, it isn't like any of it has been popular with anyone but the 
hardcore. And it was alienating to the rest of us. 

I honestly thought Buck would be happy about more people learning TM but I 
don't think he is. Go figure.



 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement



 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :


Yea But, the really interesting thing
here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue
to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark
assertion.. as Sal notes: but
there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were
trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi).  That is interesting.  40,000 TM 
teachers out there in the world
trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher
re-certs.  The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals
continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this
particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and
withstands the new TM legal department together.  The Maharishi
Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm 
on
retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching
outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came
post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and sign
papers again restricting their teaching.  Apparently the group of UK
TM teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck
together.  Damned scorpions.

That's so badly written I can't tell if the damned scorpions are the ones 
continuing to teach the way they were taught to, or if they're the re-certified 
legal department trying to stop them.

Given your love of transcending I would have thought you'd just be happy that 
more people are getting the chance to try it. Maybe you get upset because it 
skews the coherence numbers and you know that makes it less likely that the 
Marshy Effect works because there are prolly twice as many people meditating as 
you thought. No need to
call for more people in the domes if we should all be floating anyway huh?

Or maybe it's because they deprive the national office with money, but you're 
always complaining about the way they run things anyway. And just think, the 
fewer people in the official TMO the fewer there are being conned into forking 
out the readies for the yagya programme or the thousand headed bone-idle mug 
punters who'd be a lot better off getting a job and paying their own way in 
life. 

I remember the first re-certification course, your opinion of
it's purpose may differ but it seemed like just another way of screwing the 
faithful out of their last few meagre savings. Did you know people were sitting 
the domes crying at the sheer pointless waste of time and money as the bigwigs 
viciously fleeced them in return for astoundingly useful and unique information 
like how to open a bank account? And all so they could continue to practise 
something that they'd paid a fortune and devoted their lives to many years 
before.

Only time will tell which group has whatever it is that appeals

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-14 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Like Rick said, with friends like Nappy, the Movement don't need enemies. 




 From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 


  
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the 
whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws.


Funny thing is, I don't say anything that Buck hasn't already said, he doesn't 
like how things are run and quotes a great many of his friends who like TM but 
don't have anything to do with the movement. It's the oldest story there is. 

And it's only the cultish greed and madness of the Maharishi and the TMO that 
drove the indie teachers away in the first place. I know because I was there! 
All they want to do is teach what they think is the best thing on Earth and 
they weren't allowed to because of the high prices and control freakery in 
Vlodrop. So they bailed. 

They think that Marshy lost the plot in his later years and didn't know what he 
was doing, so they continue to teach what they were taught by him when he was 
more compos mentis. All in their opinion of course, but looking at the way 
things went after Scorpionland and the rajas maybe they are on the smart side 
of history, it isn't like any of it has been popular with anyone but the 
hardcore. And it was alienating to the rest of us. 

I honestly thought Buck would be happy about more people learning TM but I 
don't think he is. Go figure.

I honestly think that Buck and Nabby and (increasingly) Steve just don't 
respond to positive stimuli any more. They've been cultists for so long that 
the only thing that seems to make them happy is the belief that they're being 
persecuted. Because if they're worth persecuting, they're important.





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-14 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 the fact that Hagelin felt it enough of a threat to address it in an offical 
Private and Confidential letter to Certified Governors is more than enough to 
show you are blustering and posturing, trying to salvage the old good feelings 
you used to have that Marshy and the Movement were something to be proud of and 
proud of being associated with them. 

 

 This is getting all so whacked out of joint here. Somehow you have travelled 
some windy and convoluted road to get to what your post above says when all we 
did was begin with some George guy who is apparently going to give an audience 
in some auditorium back East messages from the deceased MMY. There has been a 
very large and unsupported leap from that fact to what you and others here are 
positing and implying about Feste and others who don't give a shit about what 
George has to say. You are making something out of nothing, are things a little 
slow where you live? Are there no moldering old TM articles which can be 
brought forth as evidence of the scamming nature of the Movement? Someone, get 
this man some old newspapers.
 

 

 


 











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-14 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/13/2014 9:06 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
the fact that Hagelin felt it enough of a threat to address it in an 
offical Private and Confidential letter to Certified Governors is 
more than enough to show you are blustering and posturing, trying to 
salvage the old good feelings you used to have that Marshy and the 
Movement were something to be proud of and proud of being associated 
with them.


The fact that you read about Hegelin on FFL is more than enough to show 
that you're still in the cult mind-set, still blustering and posturing 
trying to salvage the good old feelings you used to have when you were 
somebody doing something for the Movement and you are still proud of 
being associated with them, even if you were just a staff member at MIU 
a long time ago.


/YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO BAKE COOKIES ON THE MUM CAMPUS EVER AGAIN!/

You need to deal with it - get some help, report to John Knapp or Gina.




*From:* feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 9:43 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

According to a recent poll here in Fairfield, 100% of meditators are 
not the slightest bit interested in the Hammond thing. Those 
interested registered at 0%. Details of the poll: conducted between 
Oct. 12 and 13. Number of respondents: 5. Margin of error: zero.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on assessing the 
content, why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The 
truth is that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to 
promote his own views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be 
interested. So he has hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I 
commented earlier, I am astonished that anyone is taking this seriously.


Are they? Is it possible that anyone is taking this seriously beyond 
the fact that a few here are just dying to be able to talk about all 
of it on Dec 1 here at FFL? I think the Movement Mockers are getting 
the most mileage out of this so far that I can see but then, I'm not 
in FF. What are the feelings there of the people you know and talk to, 
Feste?



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote :

An organizer asked me to post this.
www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/
Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself.
One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be 
focused on assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is 
far less relevant).

Ask yourself on November 30th:
1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life?
2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and 
use it. If not, then don't.

That should always be the test. On the individual level.
For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch 
the recording afterwards:

www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/







Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-14 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the 
whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws.

 

 Funny thing is, I don't say anything that Buck hasn't already said, he doesn't 
like how things are run and quotes a great many of his friends who like TM but 
don't have anything to do with the movement. It's the oldest story there is. 
 

 And it's only the cultish greed and madness of the Maharishi and the TMO that 
drove the indie teachers away in the first place. I know because I was there! 
All they want to do is teach what they think is the best thing on Earth and 
they weren't allowed to because of the high prices and control freakery in 
Vlodrop. So they bailed. 
 

 They think that Marshy lost the plot in his later years and didn't know what 
he was doing, so they continue to teach what they were taught by him when he 
was more compos mentis. All in their opinion of course, but looking at the way 
things went after Scorpionland and the rajas maybe they are on the smart side 
of history, it isn't like any of it has been popular with anyone but the 
hardcore. And it was alienating to the rest of us. 
 

 I honestly thought Buck would be happy about more people learning TM but I 
don't think he is. Go figure.
 

 Nice post, this all makes sense to me. Sorry so many of you had to be around 
for the really crazy years. I bailed back in 1985.
 

 
 




 


 












 




















 


 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-14 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/13/2014 10:23 PM, Duveyoung wrote:


If all the retired initiators got together and pooled their pocket 
change, they could muster up some slick-ass posters announcing TM 
courses for $19.95 and tape those suckers up all around town.




/There is nothing preventing you from starting your own meditation 
movement - you can teach anything you want to as long as you don't call 
it TM. It would cost you only a few dollars to print up a few flyers 
to hand out in your neighborhood. You should have been teaching yoga 
meditation to all your friends. What happened to get you locked into the 
TMer guru yoga? Go figure./





Let's see the TMO reach into their pockets and come at 2,000 ex 
initiators with their $3,000.00 suited-up Trademark lawyers costing 
$700/hr.  Yeah, right, like they could even have the go-to lackies on 
staff to put together a war of lawsuits, let alone convince Girish to 
pay for it.


And they'd be too stupid to come up with some response to the 2000 
demons attack, that would make lemonade out of it as it hit the 
headlines.  Hit the headlines -- one of my better jokes.  The 
silence would be so DUH.  No one cares.



But actually, I'm fucking miffed.  I studied my ass off to pass 
checking/puja tests.  And then I performed for the TMO with tons of 
initiations.


But no, I'm not a recert, so I'm fucking piece of 
shit, and if you think I'm exaggerating, then you never had the course 
office fuck with your head in the most Nazi-esque manner.  If you're 
not bringing in money to the movement you are a stinking fucking turd 
-- you can feel it in their handshakes.


So:  with all that l I did and now I can't put up a poster and, what? 
-- they own my ass?


Fuck. That. Shit.

If I was still a believer, it'd be worth it to test the TMO's metal on 
this and see if they'd sue me, cuz even small claims court would cost 
them several large to get someone to show up in the physical to defend 
the TMO properties.  And they won't do that.


Why?

Because they know the territory would never produce enough initiations 
to cover the legal expenses to protect the trademarks.  They fucking 
know that no one can sell TM very well these days, so there's not an 
actual threat to them -- income-wise.  And since no one cares, the 
dilution of the Trademarks is insignificant, and  if the TMO had a 
vegetable cutter in the kitchen send out legalese sounding threat 
letters, then that would be about it -- they'd have covered their 
asses enough to keep their marks their legal properties.


Man-o-Man, if any of the biggies wants me to donate a thousand bucks 
to the TMO, just offer me a nose to target with no repercussions. 
 Yep, I would spend that to konk that honker on Tubby B.  Yes, I 
would.  I'd leave my desk right now at 10:20 P.M. and be in Fairfield 
in five hours flat with cash in hand.


Think of the essays I could write after that!







Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-14 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/14/2014 5:51 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the 
thought the whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws.


/Maybe you are conning Buck, to try and make him think you care about 
any of the MUM students or staff.//I guess if there were any complaints 
they would post them on the secret MUM Facebook page. Go figure./





*From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old 
UK TM teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the 
strong-hand attempt of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but 
there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were 
trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi). That is interesting. 40,000 
TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 
and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department 
sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were 
taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK 
scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal 
department together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) 
now keep a trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA 
as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher 
re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or at the 
end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting 
their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist 
extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions.


That's so badly written I can't tell if the damned scorpions are the 
ones continuing to teach the way they were taught to, or if they're 
the re-certified legal department trying to stop them.


Given your love of transcending I would have thought you'd just be 
happy that more people are getting the chance to try it. Maybe you get 
upset because it skews the coherence numbers and you know that makes 
it less likely that the Marshy Effect works because there are prolly 
twice as many people meditating as you thought. No need to call for 
more people in the domes if we should all be floating anyway huh?


Or maybe it's because they deprive the national office with money, but 
you're always complaining about the way they run things anyway. And 
just think, the fewer people in the official TMO the fewer there are 
being conned into forking out the readies for the yagya programme or 
the thousand headed bone-idle mug punters who'd be a lot better off 
getting a job and paying their own way in life.


I remember the first re-certification course, your opinion of it's 
purpose may differ but it seemed like just another way of screwing the 
faithful out of their last few meagre savings. Did you know people 
were sitting the domes crying at the sheer pointless waste of time and 
money as the bigwigs viciously fleeced them in return for astoundingly 
useful and unique information like how to open a bank account? And all 
so they could continue to practise something that they'd paid a 
fortune and devoted their lives to many years before.


Only time will tell which group has whatever it is that appeals to the 
masses, the faux Hindoo certified TMO or the faux Hindoo non-certified 
but completely identical ex-TMO.


Did you think the age of enlightenment was going to be as entertaining 
as this?



-Buck

steve.sundur wrote :

Sal, ..  Your strict adherence to everything science has dulled your 
sensitivity to nuance.


You've got that knee jerk, TM bash move down pat.

mjackson74@... wrote :

Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I 
will defer to Sal on this he is in a position to know.


Sal writing:

It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The 
Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who 
quit when Marshy put the price up so high it put them out of business. 
They have a few centres and hold courses in a country house where they 
teach the TMSP too.


The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there 
isn't much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy.


I know people who go on their courses, they always tell me that I 
musn't mention it to people in the movement, which says it all about 
the TMO really. The same guy was telling me that someone asked him if 
it was true that people get brainwashed in the TMO, he said of course 
not.


Anyway, they seem to be doing well and actually making money out of it 
which is the TM teachers dream, but then they don't have to give half 
to the TMO. Bad feelings about

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-14 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
dear Richard, imho this is you at your best: the writing is funny and profound 
and yet not negative in a personal way. Thanks...



On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:28 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' 
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


  




According to a recent poll here in Fairfield, 100% of meditators are not the 
slightest bit interested in the Hammond thing. Those interested registered at 
0%. Details of the poll: conducted between Oct. 12 and 13. Number of 
respondents: 5. Margin of error: zero. 


On 10/13/2014 9:06 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


I love it. Thanks for the reply. So it appears the only ones who are at all 
interested (shall I say obsessed) with this are those here at FFL who are the 
biggest TM detractors. Fascinating.

By far the impostor MJ and the TurqB have been the most interested in Hammond's 
November 30 meeting; Curtis may actually attend and sing a song for the 
audience as a warm up act. 

What this proves is that the detractors are still obsessed with the Maharishi 
Mahesh Yogi. Go figure.

It looks like MJ and Barry have been obsessed with the person of MMY and his 
comings-and-goings for a long time - he must have made a deep impression. With 
his passing I thought the reporters would lose interest in bashing the yogi.

What this exchange proves to me is that most of the informants posting here 
were actually practicing 'guru yoga' for all those years, not TM. Guru yoga has 
been defined as an obsession with a teacher and his personality.

The practice TM of course has nothing to do with MMY or the TMO.

So, it may be that MJ and Barry and a few others were in fact not practicing TM 
- they were just mood-making. Which is why their practice failed to work very 
well for them, leaving them unsatisfied and bitter.

Anyone who can think can meditate, but you're not supposed to try and control 
your thoughts and try to imagine what Mahesh was doing up in his two-room 
apartment every minute of the day.  

http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Guru_Yoga 



[FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-14 Thread Duveyoung
Turq:  There is NO ONE on this forum who has accomplished much of *anything* 
with their lives, as measured by either riches or fame. Certainly no TM TB on 
this forum has ever accomplished much of anything. What is WRONG with reminding 
these people how fuckin' ORDINARY they are? 

Hey, I'm pretty fucking cool, and my resentment is that for 29 years, I was 
always trying to prove to myself that TM was the reason for my impressiveness.

Turns out, I was always cool, always a writer/inventor, always creative, always 
full of hope and love for living.

So there's the concept:  whatever we did have by way of excellencies Maharishi 
TOOK FUCKING CREDIT FOR ALL OF IT.  

Now that's Grand Theft.

If you had coattails, the movement wanted a free ride on them.  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-14 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/14/2014 7:10 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


you miss the point Barry.  You are simply a button pusher, with no 
real interest in anything other than trying to get a rise out of 
people, and assert your superior outlook on life.




/One of the things I've noticed is that some military brats like Barry 
have a superior attitude - it's a defensive response when they go into 
dissociation - living in strange circumstances with strangers all around 
speaking a different language. Sometimes it makes them feel real small 
and insignificant.


Sometimes the paranoia sets in and an expat can feel threatened - 
wondering what people are saying about them in a foreign language - or 
maybe an expat imagines that girls don't like his face.


/
//This is not uncommon - sometimes the brats get real lonely late at 
night and so they go on social media and Facebook to talk to old friends 
about the good old days - when they were somebody, even in their own 
minds. /
Sometimes they go through withdrawal - not communicating at social 
events - sitting alone at a table at a cafe working an iPhone or on a 
laptop computer up in their bedroom. It's a call for help before they 
enter total cognitive dissonance and slip into nihilism and despair. 
Let's hope Barry doesn't slip on the razor's edge.


You can tell when someone is old when they talk more about the past than 
their future./




A funny way to live, but if it brings you some modicum of happiness, 
then stay with it it, I guess.




/Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to. It's 
not complicated./




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

*From:* Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 14, 2014 12:51 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the 
thought the whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws.



*From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

What I find difficult to comprehend is how grown men like Doug/Buck or 
Steve or Lawson or Nabby can *possibly* get their panties so in a 
twist when someone criticizes a group they first identified with 20 to 
40 years ago.


Did these guys just never *grow up*?

HOW can anyone *possibly* get uptight when someone criticizes a 
teacher they once worked with years ago? Especially one who is (wait 
for it) DEAD?


HOW can someone get pissed off when someone criticizes something they 
*believe* in? Don't they *realize* that beliefs are just transitory 
thoughts, which, like thoughts during meditation, should just be 
ignored as they pass by and not held onto? HOW could they possibly be 
so *attached* to these things they were taught to believe in decades ago?


Finally, HOW can they get so uptight when someone such as myself or 
Salyavin or Michael reminds them that THEY JUST AREN'T NEARLY AS 
IMPORTANT AS THEY THINK THEY ARE? There is NO ONE on this forum who 
has accomplished much of *anything* with their lives, as measured by 
either riches or fame. Certainly no TM TB on this forum has ever 
accomplished much of anything. What is WRONG with reminding these 
people how fuckin' ORDINARY they are?


It's difficult for people like Doug/Buck or Steve or Lawson or Nabby 
to make a case for TM *not* being a cult when they act so much like 
cultists. Who ELSE in the world acts the way they do OTHER THAN cultists?



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old 
UK TM teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the 
strong-hand attempt of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but 
there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were 
trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi). That is interesting. 40,000 
TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 
and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department 
sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were 
taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK 
scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal 
department together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) 
now keep a trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA 
as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher 
re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or at the 
end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting 
their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist 
extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-14 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

So there's the concept:  whatever we did have by way of excellencies Maharishi 
TOOK FUCKING CREDIT FOR ALL OF IT.

Damn. Another insight I receive from FFL posters - thanks Duve, I never thought 
of it that way but you are right. That is the way the TMO and Marshy always 
approached people and their accomplishments - They did it because of ME! Of 
Marshy and my Supreme Knowledge! and Buck and Share can't see what a 
monumental ego that lying bastard had. 




 From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:46 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 


  
Turq:  There is NO ONE on this forum who has accomplished much of *anything* 
with their lives, as measured by either riches or fame. Certainly no TM TB on 
this forum has ever accomplished much of anything. What is WRONG with reminding 
these people how fuckin' ORDINARY they are? 

Hey, I'm pretty fucking cool, and my resentment is that for 29 years, I was 
always trying to prove to myself that TM was the reason for my impressiveness.

Turns out, I was always cool, always a writer/inventor, always creative, always 
full of hope and love for living.

So there's the concept:  whatever we did have by way of excellencies Maharishi 
TOOK FUCKING CREDIT FOR ALL OF IT.  

Now that's Grand Theft.

If you had coattails, the movement wanted a free ride on them.  


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-14 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
and you are being blind Ann - Hagelin obviously felt it important enough to do 
a preemptive strike and warn TM'ers to stay away - when did you decide that 
Feste represents the majority of movement TM'ers?




 From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


the fact that Hagelin felt it enough of a threat to address it in an offical 
Private and Confidential letter to Certified Governors is more than enough to 
show you are blustering and posturing, trying to salvage the old good feelings 
you used to have that Marshy and the Movement were something to be proud of and 
proud of being associated with them. 


This is getting all so whacked out of joint here. Somehow you have travelled 
some windy and convoluted road to get to what your post above says when all we 
did was begin with some George guy who is apparently going to give an audience 
in some auditorium back East messages from the deceased MMY. There has been a 
very large and unsupported leap from that fact to what you and others here are 
positing and implying about Feste and others who don't give a shit about what 
George has to say. You are making something out of nothing, are things a little 
slow where you live? Are there no moldering old TM articles which can be 
brought forth as evidence of the scamming nature of the Movement? Someone, get 
this man some old newspapers.






Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-14 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
thanks for these insights, Richard. 



On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:06 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' 
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


  
On 10/14/2014 7:10 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

  
you miss the point Barry.  You are simply a button pusher, with no real 
interest in anything other than trying to get a rise out of people, and assert 
your superior outlook on life.  


One of the things I've noticed is that some military brats like Barry have a 
superior attitude - it's a defensive response when they go into dissociation - 
living in strange circumstances with strangers all around speaking a different 
language. Sometimes it makes them feel real small and insignificant. 

Sometimes the paranoia sets in and an expat can feel threatened -
  wondering what people are saying about them in a foreign language
  - or maybe an expat imagines that girls don't like his face. 


This is not uncommon - sometimes the brats get real lonely late at night and so 
they go on social media and Facebook to talk to old friends about the good old 
days - when they were somebody, even in their own minds. 
Sometimes they go through withdrawal - not communicating at social
  events - sitting alone at a table at a cafe working an iPhone or
  on a laptop computer up in their bedroom. It's a call for help
  before they enter total cognitive dissonance and slip into
  nihilism and despair. Let's hope Barry doesn't slip on the razor's
  edge.

You can tell when someone is old when they talk more about the
  past than their future.


A funny way to live, but if it brings you some modicum of happiness, then stay 
with it it, I guess.

Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to. It's not 
complicated.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement



  
Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the 
whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws.




 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement


What I find difficult to comprehend is how grown men like Doug/Buck or Steve 
or Lawson or Nabby can *possibly* get their panties so in a twist when someone 
criticizes a group they first identified with 20 to 40 years ago. 

Did these guys
  just never
  *grow up*? 

HOW can anyone
  *possibly* get
  uptight when
  someone
  criticizes a
  teacher they
  once worked
  with years
  ago?
  Especially one
  who is (wait
  for it) DEAD? 

HOW can
  someone get
  pissed off
  when someone
  criticizes
  something they
  *believe* in?
  Don't they
  *realize* that
  beliefs are
  just
  transitory
  thoughts,
  which, like
  thoughts
  during
  meditation,
  should just be
  ignored as
  they pass

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-14 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Ann, imo Richard is a man not a boy. How I know that is he doesn't need my 
support, rose colored or otherwise!



On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:24 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :


dear Richard, imho this is you at your best: the writing is funny and profound 
and yet not negative in a personal way. Thanks...


Really? It's Richard at his best alright. You do have rose-colored glasses on 
m'dear. A boy's best friend.


On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:28 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:



 




According to a recent poll here in
Fairfield, 100% of meditators are not the slightest bit
interested in the Hammond thing. Those interested registered at
0%. Details of the poll: conducted between Oct. 12 and 13.
Number of respondents: 5. Margin of error: zero. 


On 10/13/2014 9:06 PM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]
wrote:


I love it. Thanks for the reply. So it
appears the only ones who are at all interested (shall I say
obsessed) with this are those here at FFL who are the biggest
TM detractors. Fascinating.

By far the impostor MJ and the TurqB have been the most
interested in Hammond's November 30 meeting; Curtis may actually
attend and sing a song for the audience as a warm up act. 

What this proves is that the detractors are still obsessed
with the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Go figure.

It looks like MJ and Barry have been obsessed with the person
of MMY and his comings-and-goings for a long time - he must have
made a deep impression. With his passing I thought the reporters
would lose interest in bashing the yogi.

What this exchange proves to me is that most of the
informants posting here were actually practicing 'guru yoga' for
all those years, not TM. Guru yoga has been defined as an
obsession with a teacher and his personality.

The practice TM of course has nothing to do with MMY or the
TMO.

So, it may be that MJ and Barry and a few others were in fact
not practicing TM - they were just mood-making. Which is why their
practice failed to work very well for them, leaving them
unsatisfied and bitter.

Anyone who can think can meditate, but you're not supposed to
try and control your thoughts and try to imagine what Mahesh was
doing up in his two-room apartment every minute of the day.  

http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Guru_Yoga 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-14 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 and you are being blind Ann - Hagelin obviously felt it important enough to do 
a preemptive strike and warn TM'ers to stay away - when did you decide that 
Feste represents the majority of movement TM'ers?

 

 I don't consider Feste a representation of a majority of movement TM'ers. When 
did I say that? How would I know that? Is there a single person who is a 
representative of a majority of TM'ers? One mistake that you tend to make, 
MJ, is to plop all those who practice TM into a single slot. Every meditator on 
the planet is an individual whether you want to believe that or not. There are 
those who live in FF, they would tend to be a tad more on the TM wagon simply 
because FF is a place where many have returned after having lived there before 
or are drawn to it because they feel like they will have something in common 
with the small community. But that aside, I asked Feste what other meditators 
in FF felt about all of this; after all, he does live there. He answered that 
nobody he has spoken to gives a crap. So, what is it exactly that you are 
arguing here? Should TM endorse this George fellow or should they ignore them 
or should they censure him? What would make you happy? If they censure him you 
might say they are closed minded and fearful. If they do nothing you might say 
they are weak and won't take a stand. If they endorse him you might mock them 
for being so gullible and stupid. Explain it to me.
 

 
 








 


 











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-14 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Ann, imo Richard is a man not a boy. How I know that is he doesn't need my 
support, rose colored or otherwise!

 

 No he does not but you seem to need to be liked by the boys. Just an 
observation. Wishing you peace and happiness.
 


 

 










Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-14 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Ann, I enjoy being liked by people I like. Wishing you the same... 



On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:57 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :


Ann, imo Richard is a man not a boy. How I know that is he doesn't need my 
support, rose colored or otherwise!


No he does not but you seem to need to be liked by the boys. Just an 
observation. Wishing you peace and happiness.






Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-14 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
Anyone on this forum who would brag about rich and/or famous would 
immediately be accused of being narcissistic.  Best to keep it under 
wraps. Who knows who lurks behind those mystery handles? :-D


On 10/14/2014 07:46 AM, Duveyoung wrote:


Turq:  There is NO ONE on this forum who has accomplished much of 
*anything* with their lives, as measured by either riches or fame. 
Certainly no TM TB on this forum has ever accomplished much of 
anything. What is WRONG with reminding these people how fuckin' 
ORDINARY they are?


Hey, I'm pretty fucking cool, and my resentment is that for 29 years, 
I was always trying to prove to myself that TM was the reason for my 
impressiveness.


Turns out, I was always cool, always a writer/inventor, always 
creative, always full of hope and love for living.


So there's the concept:  whatever we did have by way of excellencies 
Maharishi TOOK FUCKING CREDIT FOR ALL OF IT.


Now that's Grand Theft.

If you had coattails, the movement wanted a free ride on them.






Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-14 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Couple of points you are choosing to believe whatever Feste tells you with no 
supporting evidence - I believe that Buck posted that the whole thing was THE 
topic of discussion the day of or the day after Hagelin sent out his 
confidential communique that was immediately put out all over the Movement by 
those very same Certified Governors to whom the letter was sent. If Buck is 
reporting accurately, then Feste is full of crap - who you gone believe?

The other point is happily I don't care what these folks do - what they do 
doesn't make me happy or unhappy wither way. Anyone who is interested in 
Movement history which I am, is interested in this - its indicative of the very 
sort of Movement shit that has been happening for decades, its a debacle like 
so much Movement stuff has been, like Robin Carlsen's schtick. 


People were interested then and they are interested now - the thing that makes 
it so curious is why straight arrow TM'er Jerry Jarvis is on board with what is 
obviously ridiculous - is he doing it just to get back at the people who 
superseded him in Marshy's affection? Or has he gone round the bend like so 
many long term TM'ers? We will see. 


Feste doesn't like it because it is showing the Movement as it really is, just 
like the pundit riot and the naked greedy money grubbing of John Hagelin et al 
to solicit $100,000 of donations before they would tell the pundits to do 
yagya to save England from floods. Feste likes to rest cozy in an illusory 
memory of MIU and the Movement being something useful.




 From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


and you are being blind Ann - Hagelin obviously felt it important enough to do 
a preemptive strike and warn TM'ers to stay away - when did you decide that 
Feste represents the majority of movement TM'ers?


I don't consider Feste a representation of a majority of movement TM'ers. When 
did I say that? How would I know that? Is there a single person who is a 
representative of a majority of TM'ers? One mistake that you tend to make, 
MJ, is to plop all those who practice TM into a single slot. Every meditator on 
the planet is an individual whether you want to believe that or not. There are 
those who live in FF, they would tend to be a tad more on the TM wagon simply 
because FF is a place where many have returned after having lived there before 
or are drawn to it because they feel like they will have something in common 
with the small community. But that aside, I asked Feste what other meditators 
in FF felt about all of this; after all, he does live there. He answered that 
nobody he has spoken to gives a crap. So, what is it exactly that you are 
arguing here? Should TM endorse this George fellow or should they ignore them 
or should they censure him? What would
 make you happy? If they censure him you might say they are closed minded and 
fearful. If they do nothing you might say they are weak and won't take a stand. 
If they endorse him you might mock them for being so gullible and stupid. 
Explain it to me.



 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-14 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Couple of points you are choosing to believe whatever Feste tells you with no 
supporting evidence - I believe that Buck posted that the whole thing was THE 
topic of discussion the day of or the day after Hagelin sent out his 
confidential communique that was immediately put out all over the Movement by 
those very same Certified Governors to whom the letter was sent. If Buck is 
reporting accurately, then Feste is full of crap - who you gone believe?
 

 I think we are talking about two things here. I think Feste is saying (and 
Feste can correct me here) that no one he has spoken to in FF care about 
George's message from Maharishi from beyond the grave. I think Buck is speaking 
about something quite different. He is talking about the letter sent out to the 
Governors from Hagelin. I think the mere fact that Hagelin bothered to send a 
letter to a select group created interest when there may have been none if he 
hadn't sent the letter. I think the interest was more in the fact of the 
necessity in Hagelin's mind to send a letter than interest in what George has 
to say. But now, the more attention Hagelin and Jerry give to this event the 
more interest there will be in the whole thing. Great, it could be captivating 
entertainment - not only the messages themselves but, and even more so in my 
mind, all of the gyrations people are going through in advance of the actual 
lecture presentation. 
 

 The other point is happily I don't care what these folks do - what they do 
doesn't make me happy or unhappy wither way. Anyone who is interested in 
Movement history which I am, is interested in this - its indicative of the very 
sort of Movement shit that has been happening for decades, its a debacle like 
so much Movement stuff has been, like Robin Carlsen's schtick. 

 

 Here is where I am confused. What aspect of this is a debacle? The fact that 
Hagelin  and Jerry are saying two different things, or are they? What can 
anyone really say about this that would be based on anything but conjecture 
until the poor man (George) has a chance to speak his mind. I mean, I don't 
believe he is communicating with the deceased MMY but I am only guessing here. 
For all I know he plays bridge with him every night and watches reruns of The 
Odd Couple as well.
 

 People were interested then and they are interested now - the thing that makes 
it so curious is why straight arrow TM'er Jerry Jarvis is on board with what is 
obviously ridiculous - is he doing it just to get back at the people who 
superseded him in Marshy's affection? Or has he gone round the bend like so 
many long term TM'ers? We will see. 

 

 I never saw anything that Jerry said about this. Do you have a copy? Was it 
posted here somewhere?
 

 Feste doesn't like it because it is showing the Movement as it really is, just 
like the pundit riot and the naked greedy money grubbing of John Hagelin et al 
to solicit $100,000 of donations before they would tell the pundits to do 
yagya to save England from floods. Feste likes to rest cozy in an illusory 
memory of MIU and the Movement being something useful.

 

 In what way is this showing the Movement as it really is?  I am not actually 
debating you here, I am just unclear what it is you find so bad that the 
Movement is doing in this case.
 

 From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:40 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 and you are being blind Ann - Hagelin obviously felt it important enough to do 
a preemptive strike and warn TM'ers to stay away - when did you decide that 
Feste represents the majority of movement TM'ers?

 

 I don't consider Feste a representation of a majority of movement TM'ers. When 
did I say that? How would I know that? Is there a single person who is a 
representative of a majority of TM'ers? One mistake that you tend to make, 
MJ, is to plop all those who practice TM into a single slot. Every meditator on 
the planet is an individual whether you want to believe that or not. There are 
those who live in FF, they would tend to be a tad more on the TM wagon simply 
because FF is a place where many have returned after having lived there before 
or are drawn to it because they feel like they will have something in common 
with the small community. But that aside, I asked Feste what other meditators 
in FF felt about all of this; after all, he does live there. He answered that 
nobody he has spoken to gives a crap. So, what is it exactly that you are 
arguing here? Should TM endorse this George fellow or should they ignore them 
or should they censure him? What would make you happy? If they censure him you 
might say they are closed minded and fearful. If they do nothing you might say 
they are weak and won't take a stand

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-14 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 

   
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote :
 
 the fact that Hagelin felt it enough of a threat to address it in an offical 
Private and Confidential letter to Certified Governors is more than enough to 
show you are blustering and posturing, trying to salvage the old good feelings 
you used to have that Marshy and the Movement were something to be proud of and 
proud of being associated with them.
 

 OK MJ, so are you saying that people should take George seriously in his 
purported ability to basically channel (for that is what it is, he is providing 
a conduit between Maharishi and others using himself as the telephone wire) MMY 
and that the Movement should recognize George's messages as valid? What the 
fuck are you actually saying?? Would you be happier with the Movement if they 
didn't censure George or if they did? For me, I would have to put my vote on 
the censure. And if the Movement were to hold any credibility they would have 
to poo poo it too. I mean, c'mon, this guy is a grandstanding publicity seeker. 
Whatever Maharishi had to say he most certainly said it while he was alive. 
Wouldn't it be fantastic if the message from Maharishi was, Weather's great, 
wish you could be here.





 
 
 

 
 










 
 



[FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement

2014-10-14 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Om.. and would bet that someone from this law firm also specializing in 
trademark enforcement is going to at least watch the Hammond Nov. 30 TM video 
link, if not be there at the meeting:
 
 
 Mark L. Zaiger - Shuttleworth  Ingersoll 
http://www.shuttleworthlaw.com/attorneydetail.cfm?id=68
 
 
 Mark L. Zaiger - Shuttleworth  Ingersoll 
http://www.shuttleworthlaw.com/attorneydetail.cfm?id=68 Mark L. Zaiger is an 
Attorney and Senior Vice President at SI whose practice focuses on labor and 
employment law, commercial litigation, trade secrets, non-compete cases and 
federal court litigation. Mark was named the Best Lawyers’ Cedar Rapids 
Employment Law - Manag...
 
 
 
 View on www.shuttleworthlaw.com 
http://www.shuttleworthlaw.com/attorneydetail.cfm?id=68 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
 

 

 

 Teaching TM independently, like the UK way:
 In the UK, as Sal says:
 The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there isn't 
much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy.

 

 In the USA:
 “But Knoles declined and largely defended his biography. His attorney said he 
did learn under the Maharishi, was personally awarded an honorary doctorate by 
him, and had become an acclaimed teacher of yoga by age 20.
 Oddly enough, the foundation hasn't sued Knoles, for strategic reasons Zaiger 
said were confidential. Instead, it filed a lawsuit in 2011 against The 
Meditation House, an Iowa corporation owned by life coach Jules Green, who 
promotes Vedic Meditation on her website.
 The lawsuit seeks an order preventing Green from mentioning transcendental 
meditation studies in her advertising,”
 
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/
 
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/
 

 Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM 
teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt 
of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) 
can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi).  
That is interesting.  
 

 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and 
a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department sharp-shoots 
old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an 
infringement but this particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck 
together and withstands the new TM legal department together. The Maharishi 
Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm 
on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside 
the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or 
at the end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting their 
teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist extra-territorial to 
new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions.
 -Buck
 

 steve.sundur wrote :
 
 Sal, ..  Your strict adherence to everything science has dulled your 
sensitivity to nuance. 

 You've got that knee jerk, TM bash move down pat.
 

 mjackson74@... wrote : 
 Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer 
to Sal on this he is in a position to know.

 

 Sal writing:
 

 It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The 
Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who quit when 
Marshy put the price up so high it put them out of business. They have a few 
centres and hold courses in a country house where they teach the TMSP too. 
 

 The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there isn't 
much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy. 
 

 I know people who go on their courses, they always tell me that I musn't 
mention it to people in the movement, which says it all about the TMO really. 
The same guy was telling me that someone asked him if it was true that people 
get brainwashed in the TMO, he said of course not. 
 

 Anyway, they seem to be doing well and actually making money out of it which 
is the TM teachers dream, but then they don't have to give half to the TMO. Bad 
feelings about that too I shouldn't wonder.
 

 From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 
 
   Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires that 
the split off group has a coherent organization. I don't know if the initiators 
in England have this.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 the Movement already split - don't forget the renegade initiators in England

 

 From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday

[FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
If that were true, they wouldn't be leveraging Maharishi's name for the 
publicity. 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote :

 An organizer asked me to post this.
  
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 One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on 
assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). 
  

 Ask yourself on November 30th:

  

 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 

 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. 
If not, then don't. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread nablusoss1008
It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken the 
Movement.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 9:40 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 


  
If that were true, they wouldn't be leveraging Maharishi's name for the 
publicity.


Or appealing to people who still think that Maharishi's name means 
something...anything. 

Let's face it...anyone who believes that anything that old con man Mahesh ever 
said -- alive or dead -- was worth paying attention to is kinda beyond saving. 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote :


An organizer asked me to post this.
 
www.30thNovember.com 
 
Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself.
 
One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on 
assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). 
 
Ask yourself on November 30th:
 
1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 
2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. If 
not, then don't. 
That should always be the test. On the individual level. 
 
For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch the 
recording afterwards:
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Species, Corporations, Religions, Cults, as is the nature of change, always, if 
they persist, break apart or become extinct. A schism is always eventually in 
the cards for the TM movement. It is said shortly after his death, the 
followers of Buddha broke into some two dozen different sects. You can see how 
Christianity split over time. There seem to be fewer splits among Muslims, 
perhaps a reflection of the dark ferocity of their memes. The Mormons, barely a 
religion after 150 years, have split six times. And look at all the different 
Hindu flavours. It is almost a no-brainer prediction that the TM movement will 
at some point split. Already there are many teachers in various countries 
teaching outside the movement purview. 

 I would say that movements in which the participants are unable to think for 
themselves are likely to cohere together longer than those in which mental 
freedom and expression are given freer reign. Onward Lemmings!
 

 Rick does not have to do anything to weaken the movement, it will break 
naturally of its own accord, it is already frayed around the edges. While you 
might try to do something to arrest progress, eventually you will fail. That is 
the nature of evolution.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken 
the Movement.
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote :

 An organizer asked me to post this.
  
 www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/ 

  

 Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself.

  

 One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on 
assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). 
  

 Ask yourself on November 30th:

  

 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 

 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. 
If not, then don't. 

 That should always be the test. On the individual level. 

  

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com



  
Species, Corporations, Religions, Cults, as is the nature of change, always, if 
they persist, break apart or become extinct. A schism is always eventually in 
the cards for the TM movement. It is said shortly after his death, the 
followers of Buddha broke into some two dozen different sects. You can see how 
Christianity split over time. There seem to be fewer splits among Muslims, 
perhaps a reflection of the dark ferocity of their memes. The Mormons, barely a 
religion after 150 years, have split six times. And look at all the different 
Hindu flavours. It is almost a no-brainer prediction that the TM movement will 
at some point split. Already there are many teachers in various countries 
teaching outside the movement purview.

I would say that movements in which the participants are unable to think for 
themselves are likely to cohere together longer than those in which mental 
freedom and expression are given freer reign. Onward Lemmings!
 


Rick does not have to do anything to weaken the movement, it will break 
naturally of its own accord, it is already frayed around the edges. While you 
might try to do something to arrest progress, eventually you will fail. That is 
the nature of evolution.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :


It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken the 
Movement.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote :


An organizer asked me to post this.
 
www.30thNovember.com 
 
Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself.
 
One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on 
assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). 
 
Ask yourself on November 30th:
 
1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 
2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. If 
not, then don't. 
That should always be the test. On the individual level. 
 
For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch the 
recording afterwards:
 
www.30thNovember.com
 



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
the Movement already split - don't forget the renegade initiators in England




 From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:56 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 


  
Species, Corporations, Religions, Cults, as is the nature of change, always, if 
they persist, break apart or become extinct. A schism is always eventually in 
the cards for the TM movement. It is said shortly after his death, the 
followers of Buddha broke into some two dozen different sects. You can see how 
Christianity split over time. There seem to be fewer splits among Muslims, 
perhaps a reflection of the dark ferocity of their memes. The Mormons, barely a 
religion after 150 years, have split six times. And look at all the different 
Hindu flavours. It is almost a no-brainer prediction that the TM movement will 
at some point split. Already there are many teachers in various countries 
teaching outside the movement purview.

I would say that movements in which the participants are unable to think for 
themselves are likely to cohere together longer than those in which mental 
freedom and expression are given freer reign. Onward Lemmings!

Rick does not have to do anything to weaken the movement, it will break 
naturally of its own accord, it is already frayed around the edges. While you 
might try to do something to arrest progress, eventually you will fail. That is 
the nature of evolution.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :




It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken the 
Movement.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote :


An organizer asked me to post this.
 
www.30thNovember.com 
 
Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself.
 
One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on 
assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). 
 
Ask yourself on November 30th:
 
1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 
2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. If 
not, then don't. 
That should always be the test. On the individual level. 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread feste37
This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on assessing the 
content, why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is 
that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own 
views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has 
hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished 
that anyone is taking this seriously. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote :

 An organizer asked me to post this.
  
 www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thNovember.com 

  

 Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself.

  

 One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on 
assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). 
  

 Ask yourself on November 30th:

  

 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 

 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. 
If not, then don't. 

 That should always be the test. On the individual level. 

  

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[FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :

 Species, Corporations, Religions, Cults, as is the nature of change, always, 
if they persist, break apart or become extinct. A schism is always eventually 
in the cards for the TM movement. It is said shortly after his death, the 
followers of Buddha broke into some two dozen different sects. You can see how 
Christianity split over time. There seem to be fewer splits among Muslims, 
perhaps a reflection of the dark ferocity of their memes. The Mormons, barely a 
religion after 150 years, have split six times. And look at all the different 
Hindu flavours. It is almost a no-brainer prediction that the TM movement will 
at some point split. Already there are many teachers in various countries 
teaching outside the movement purview. 

 I would say that movements in which the participants are unable to think for 
themselves are likely to cohere together longer than those in which mental 
freedom and expression are given freer reign. Onward Lemmings!
 

 Rick does not have to do anything to weaken the movement, it will break 
naturally of its own accord, it is already frayed around the edges. While you 
might try to do something to arrest progress, eventually you will fail. That is 
the nature of evolution.
 

 Progress can occur within a movement or group while the group still persists 
and exists. It is not necessarily an all or nothing thing (and I'm not speaking 
about the TM Movement. I only know anything about that from what I read here 
and am not, essentially interested one way or another if it remains or if it 
evolves its way into something else completely). Everything changes whether one 
is aware of it or not. Certain core beliefs may remain the same in whatever 
religion, corporation or spiritual movement you look at but lots of other 
things are changing all the time like who are members, who leaves who joins, 
who is the leader where they are located or spreading to. These are all small 
but significant changes and movements within the movement and they will 
ultimately spill over into a larger shift or change. There is no such thing as 
stasis in the physical world - ask Salyavin.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken 
the Movement.
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote :

 An organizer asked me to post this.
  
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 Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself.

  

 One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on 
assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). 
  

 Ask yourself on November 30th:

  

 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 

 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. 
If not, then don't. 

 That should always be the test. On the individual level. 

  

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[FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on assessing the 
content, why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is 
that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own 
views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has 
hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished 
that anyone is taking this seriously. 
 

 Are they? Is it possible that anyone is taking this seriously beyond the fact 
that a few here are just dying to be able to talk about all of it on Dec 1 here 
at FFL? I think the Movement Mockers are getting the most mileage out of this 
so far that I can see but then, I'm not in FF. What are the feelings there of 
the people you know and talk to, Feste?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote :

 An organizer asked me to post this.
  
 www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thNovember.com 

  

 Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself.

  

 One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on 
assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). 
  

 Ask yourself on November 30th:

  

 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 

 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. 
If not, then don't. 

 That should always be the test. On the individual level. 

  

 For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch the 
recording afterwards:

  

 www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thNovember.com


  











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires that the 
split off group has a coherent organization. I don't know if the initiators in 
England have this.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 the Movement already split - don't forget the renegade initiators in England

 

 From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:56 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 
 
   Species, Corporations, Religions, Cults, as is the nature of change, always, 
if they persist, break apart or become extinct. A schism is always eventually 
in the cards for the TM movement. It is said shortly after his death, the 
followers of Buddha broke into some two dozen different sects. You can see how 
Christianity split over time. There seem to be fewer splits among Muslims, 
perhaps a reflection of the dark ferocity of their memes. The Mormons, barely a 
religion after 150 years, have split six times. And look at all the different 
Hindu flavours. It is almost a no-brainer prediction that the TM movement will 
at some point split. *Already there are many teachers in various countries 
teaching outside the movement purview.* 
 

 I would say that movements in which the participants are unable to think for 
themselves are likely to cohere together longer than those in which mental 
freedom and expression are given freer reign. Onward Lemmings!
 

 Rick does not have to do anything to weaken the movement, it will break 
naturally of its own accord, it is already frayed around the edges. While you 
might try to do something to arrest progress, eventually you will fail. That is 
the nature of evolution.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 


 It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken 
the Movement.

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote :

 An organizer asked me to post this.
  
 www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/ 

  

 Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself.

  

 One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on 
assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). 
  

 Ask yourself on November 30th:

  

 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 

 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. 
If not, then don't. 

 That should always be the test. On the individual level. 

  

 For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch the 
recording afterwards:

  

 www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/


  







 




 


 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Like I said before, it is Jerry Jarvis' stamp of approval that is giving this 
event legitimacy in the eyes of many old time TM'ers - not to mention the 
penchant of TM'ers to believe unbelievable bullshit - that helps too.




 From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 9:57 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 


  
This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on assessing the 
content, why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is 
that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own 
views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has 
hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished 
that anyone is taking this seriously. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote :


An organizer asked me to post this.
 
www.30thNovember.com 
 
Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself.
 
One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on 
assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). 
 
Ask yourself on November 30th:
 
1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 
2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. If 
not, then don't. 
That should always be the test. On the individual level. 
 
For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch the 
recording afterwards:
 
www.30thNovember.com
 


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer 
to Sal on this he is in a position to know.




 From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 


  
Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires that the 
split off group has a coherent organization. I don't know if the initiators in 
England have this.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


the Movement already split - don't forget the renegade initiators in England




 From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:56 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30



 
Species, Corporations, Religions, Cults, as is the nature of change, always, if 
they persist, break apart or become extinct. A schism is always eventually in 
the cards for the TM movement. It is said shortly after his death, the 
followers of Buddha broke into some two dozen different sects. You can see how 
Christianity split over time. There seem to be fewer splits among Muslims, 
perhaps a reflection of the dark ferocity of their memes. The Mormons, barely a 
religion after 150 years, have split six times. And look at all the different 
Hindu flavours. It is almost a no-brainer prediction that the TM movement will 
at some point split. *Already there are many teachers in various countries 
teaching outside the movement purview.* 

I would say that movements in which the participants are unable to think for 
themselves are likely to cohere together longer than those in which mental 
freedom and expression are given freer reign. Onward Lemmings!

Rick does not have to do anything to weaken the movement, it will break 
naturally of its own accord, it is already frayed around the edges. While you 
might try to do something to arrest progress, eventually you will fail. That is 
the nature of evolution.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :




It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken the 
Movement.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote :


An organizer asked me to post this.
 
www.30thNovember.com 
 
Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself.
 
One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on 
assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). 
 
Ask yourself on November 30th:
 
1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 
2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. If 
not, then don't. 
That should always be the test. On the individual level. 
 
For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch the 
recording afterwards:
 
www.30thNovember.com
 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/13/2014 9:22 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I 
will defer to Sal on this he is in a position to know.


/This must be really embarrassing for you.

It has already been established that Sal is a dupe for believing he 
could levitate, so nobody could expect a reasonable comment from 
him.//Obviously you are a dupe as well, based on your posting history to 
FFL. Obviously neither you nor Sal is capable of common sense, let alone 
understanding the mechanics of consciousness. I sometimes wonder if you 
two are dealing with a full deck. //Have either of you ever considered 
getting professional help for your cognitive-dissonance?/





*From:* anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires 
that the split off group has a coherent organization. I don't know if 
the initiators in England have this.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

the Movement already split - don't forget the renegade initiators in 
England



*From:* anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 8:56 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

Species, Corporations, Religions, Cults, as is the nature of change, 
always, if they persist, break apart or become extinct. A schism is 
always eventually in the cards for the TM movement. It is said shortly 
after his death, the followers of Buddha broke into some two dozen 
different sects. You can see how Christianity split over time. There 
seem to be fewer splits among Muslims, perhaps a reflection of the 
dark ferocity of their memes. The Mormons, barely a religion after 150 
years, have split six times. And look at all the different Hindu 
flavours. It is almost a no-brainer prediction that the TM movement 
will at some point split.*Already there are many teachers in various 
countries teaching outside the movement purview.*


I would say that movements in which the participants are unable to 
think for themselves are likely to cohere together longer than those 
in which mental freedom and expression are given freer reign. Onward 
Lemmings!


Rick does not have to do anything to weaken the movement, it will 
break naturally of its own accord, it is already frayed around the 
edges. While you might try to do something to arrest progress, 
eventually you will fail. That is the nature of evolution.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :



It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and 
weaken the Movement.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote :

An organizer asked me to post this.
www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/
Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself.
One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be 
focused on assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is 
far less relevant).

Ask yourself on November 30th:
1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life?
2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and 
use it. If not, then don't.

That should always be the test. On the individual level.
For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch 
the recording afterwards:

www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/










RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife]
 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:36 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

 

  

It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken the 
Movement.

I have no such strategy. I just forward stuff that’s relevant to FFL. That 
includes stuff from Hagelin, Orme-Johnson, etc. I wish the movement well. I 
think it’s doing a lot of good in the world. But it will only thrive if it 
conducts itself with honesty and integrity and purges itself from cultish 
nonsense, much of which was introduced by MMY. 





RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife]
 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:36 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

 

  

It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken the 
Movement.

I might add, Nabby, that if either of us is doing something to harm the 
Movement, it’s you. As others have pointed out, your behavior sets a very bad 
example as to the effect on one’s personality one might expect decades of TM 
practice to produce. I hope that by contrast, I come across as fairly balanced 
and objective. At least I strive to be, but you continue to wallow in your 
cultish mindset. 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer 
to Sal on this he is in a position to know.

 

 It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The 
Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who quit when 
Marshy put the price up so high it put them out of business. They have a few 
centres and hold courses in a country house where they teach the TMSP too. 
 

 The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there isn't 
much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy. 
 

 I know people who go on their courses, they always tell me that I musn't 
mention it to people in the movement, which says it all about the TMO really. 
The same guy was telling me that someone asked him if it was true that people 
get brainwashed in the TMO, he said of course not. 
 

 Anyway, they seem to be doing well and actually making money out of it which 
is the TM teachers dream, but then they don't have to give half to the TMO. Bad 
feelings about that too I shouldn't wonder.
 

 From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 
 
   Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires that 
the split off group has a coherent organization. I don't know if the initiators 
in England have this.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 the Movement already split - don't forget the renegade initiators in England

 

 From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:56 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 
 
   Species, Corporations, Religions, Cults, as is the nature of change, always, 
if they persist, break apart or become extinct. A schism is always eventually 
in the cards for the TM movement. It is said shortly after his death, the 
followers of Buddha broke into some two dozen different sects. You can see how 
Christianity split over time. There seem to be fewer splits among Muslims, 
perhaps a reflection of the dark ferocity of their memes. The Mormons, barely a 
religion after 150 years, have split six times. And look at all the different 
Hindu flavours. It is almost a no-brainer prediction that the TM movement will 
at some point split. *Already there are many teachers in various countries 
teaching outside the movement purview.* 
 

 I would say that movements in which the participants are unable to think for 
themselves are likely to cohere together longer than those in which mental 
freedom and expression are given freer reign. Onward Lemmings!
 

 Rick does not have to do anything to weaken the movement, it will break 
naturally of its own accord, it is already frayed around the edges. While you 
might try to do something to arrest progress, eventually you will fail. That is 
the nature of evolution.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 


 It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken 
the Movement.

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote :

 An organizer asked me to post this.
  
 www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/ 

  

 Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself.

  

 One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on 
assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). 
  

 Ask yourself on November 30th:

  

 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 

 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. 
If not, then don't. 

 That should always be the test. On the individual level. 

  

 For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch the 
recording afterwards:

  

 www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/


  







 




 


 












 


 











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com



  
This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on assessing the 
content, why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is 
that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own 
views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has 
hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished 
that anyone is taking this seriously. 

While I agree that the whole scenario is too silly for words, what does it say 
about the incredible gullibility and susceptibility of TMers *that* it's being 
taken seriously? 

In what other group would its members actually fall for this? 

What other group would proactively attempt to squelch it, as Raja (that's 
ludicrous in itself) Hagelin did? 

This is great theater. I hope *some* reporters actually attend, and write it up 
or do a TV bit about it. Can't you just imagine the headline/teaser? 


Leaders Of TM Cult Freak Out Over Advice From Beyond The Grave 
Sent By Original Sexy Sadie Guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I am curious how you feel it is doing good in the world when it has thrived 
off of lies, misinformation and the cultish beliefs and antics it has used for 
decades? Do you mean just by the fact it still teaches TM to folks who were not 
meditators before?




 From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:15 AM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 


  
 


From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:36 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 
  
It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken the 
Movement.
I have no such strategy. I just forward stuff that’s relevant to FFL. That 
includes stuff from Hagelin, Orme-Johnson, etc. I wish the movement well. I 
think it’s doing a lot of good in the world. But it will only thrive if it 
conducts itself with honesty and integrity and purges itself from cultish 
nonsense, much of which was introduced by MMY. 


RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife]
 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:27 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

 

  

I am curious how you feel it is doing good in the world when it has thrived 
off of lies, misinformation and the cultish beliefs and antics it has used for 
decades? Do you mean just by the fact it still teaches TM to folks who were not 
meditators before?

 

Yes, many of whom benefit tremendously from it, as I have. It’s not all “lies, 
misinformation and the cultish beliefs and antics”. There are many good people 
who are not guilty of that stuff, and there is probably a power struggle within 
the movement between them and those who are.

 

  _  

From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com mailto:r...@searchsummit.com  
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:15 AM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

 

  

 

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  
[mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:36 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

 

  

It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken the 
Movement.

I have no such strategy. I just forward stuff that’s relevant to FFL. That 
includes stuff from Hagelin, Orme-Johnson, etc. I wish the movement well. I 
think it’s doing a lot of good in the world. But it will only thrive if it 
conducts itself with honesty and integrity and purges itself from cultish 
nonsense, much of which was introduced by MMY. 

 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
I'm curious, how would you feel about TM if it was today only $125 and 
maybe taught over a weekend workshop?  Or maybe even the first technique 
free?  What bothers you more the money or the supposed link to 'Hinduism'?


On 10/13/2014 09:27 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
I am curious how you feel it is doing good in the world when it has 
thrived off of lies, misinformation and the cultish beliefs and antics 
it has used for decades? Do you mean just by the fact it still teaches 
TM to folks who were not meditators before?



*From:* 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 11:15 AM
*Subject:* RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30



*From:*FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *nablusoss1008

*Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 3:36 AM
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and 
weaken the Movement.
I have no such strategy. I just forward stuff that’s relevant to FFL. 
That includes stuff from Hagelin, Orme-Johnson, etc. I wish the 
movement well. I think it’s doing a lot of good in the world. But it 
will only thrive if it conducts itself with honesty and integrity and 
purges itself from cultish nonsense, much of which was introduced by MMY.








[FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
But one man's cultish nonsense is another man's profoundly spiritual insight... 

 People assume that MMY could never do wrong, and so they always went with his 
program/project/practice _du jour_
 

 

 Others assume that when MMY came up something they perceived as off-the-wall, 
it meant he had gone off teh deep end.
 

 

 My own take is that MMY never had a clue when something was going to work or 
not until he tried it, and the stuff that stuck to the wall, is the stuff 
that he embraced as valid.
 

 In every case (stick-able or not) he had to find an intellectual reason for 
why he suggested something, and so he made something up to explain things. 
Sometimes those reasons sounded plausible and sometimes they didn't.
 

 Sometimes something he did turned out to be very good, even though he had no 
idea why it was very good.
 

 Example of this last: the Rajas and their golden crowns. Totally crazy, and 
yet, the schism that resulted occurred BEFORE his death and not after. By the 
time he died, everywhere in the world outside of India, the TM organization had 
already restructured itself to work with the new hierarchy of Those Who Wear 
Crowns, while those who couldn't deal with such craziness had already left.
 

 The result was an almost drama-less succession for Good King Tony (outside of 
India).
 

 Brilliant... even though I'm  almost positive that MMY hadn't really thought 
of things that way.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote :

  
 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:36 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30


  
  
 It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken 
the Movement.
 I have no such strategy. I just forward stuff that’s relevant to FFL. That 
includes stuff from Hagelin, Orme-Johnson, etc. I wish the movement well. I 
think it’s doing a lot of good in the world. But it will only thrive if it 
conducts itself with honesty and integrity and purges itself from cultish 
nonsense, much of which was introduced by MMY. 

 









[FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
The Meditation Trust also offers TM teacher training these days, and implies 
that they are doing the work that MMY authorized them to do, despite him 
rescinding that authorization quite publicly and in completely explicit terms. 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer 
to Sal on this he is in a position to know.

 

 It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The 
Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who quit when 
Marshy put the price up so high it put them out of business. They have a few 
centres and hold courses in a country house where they teach the TMSP too. 
 

 The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there isn't 
much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy. 
 

 I know people who go on their courses, they always tell me that I musn't 
mention it to people in the movement, which says it all about the TMO really. 
The same guy was telling me that someone asked him if it was true that people 
get brainwashed in the TMO, he said of course not. 
 

 Anyway, they seem to be doing well and actually making money out of it which 
is the TM teachers dream, but then they don't have to give half to the TMO. Bad 
feelings about that too I shouldn't wonder.
 

 From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 
 
   Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires that 
the split off group has a coherent organization. I don't know if the initiators 
in England have this.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 the Movement already split - don't forget the renegade initiators in England

 

 From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:56 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 
 
   Species, Corporations, Religions, Cults, as is the nature of change, always, 
if they persist, break apart or become extinct. A schism is always eventually 
in the cards for the TM movement. It is said shortly after his death, the 
followers of Buddha broke into some two dozen different sects. You can see how 
Christianity split over time. There seem to be fewer splits among Muslims, 
perhaps a reflection of the dark ferocity of their memes. The Mormons, barely a 
religion after 150 years, have split six times. And look at all the different 
Hindu flavours. It is almost a no-brainer prediction that the TM movement will 
at some point split. *Already there are many teachers in various countries 
teaching outside the movement purview.* 
 

 I would say that movements in which the participants are unable to think for 
themselves are likely to cohere together longer than those in which mental 
freedom and expression are given freer reign. Onward Lemmings!
 

 Rick does not have to do anything to weaken the movement, it will break 
naturally of its own accord, it is already frayed around the edges. While you 
might try to do something to arrest progress, eventually you will fail. That is 
the nature of evolution.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 


 It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken 
the Movement.

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote :

 An organizer asked me to post this.
  
 www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/ 

  

 Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself.

  

 One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on 
assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). 
  

 Ask yourself on November 30th:

  

 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 

 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. 
If not, then don't. 

 That should always be the test. On the individual level. 

  

 For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch the 
recording afterwards:

  

 www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/


  







 




 


 












 


 













[FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
What's interesting about your Sexy Sadie comment is that a while back you 
commented that you were quite amazed that any woman was claiming to have sex 
with MMY as your personal observation was that he had no sexuality to speak of. 

 Once it became clear that you could get specific people mad by referring  to 
the claims, you started to embrace them, without ever explaining why you came 
to change your mind about MMY's sexual activities or lack thereof.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
   This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on assessing the 
content, why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is 
that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own 
views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has 
hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished 
that anyone is taking this seriously. 

 






While I agree that the whole scenario is too silly for words, what does it say 
about the incredible gullibility and susceptibility of TMers *that* it's being 
taken seriously? 

In what other group would its members actually fall for this? 

What other group would proactively attempt to squelch it, as Raja (that's 
ludicrous in itself) Hagelin did? 

This is great theater. I hope *some* reporters actually attend, and write it up 
or do a TV bit about it. Can't you just imagine the headline/teaser? 

 Leaders Of TM Cult Freak Out Over Advice From Beyond The Grave 
Sent By Original Sexy Sadie Guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi












Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Maybe we are splitting hairs here but you yourself offered the opinion that the 
Movement needed to purge itself of cultish nonsense. I agree that not ALL the 
things the Movement says about TM is a lie, but a good deal of it is stretching 
the truth if not an out right lie.

Sal summed it up by referring to TM as a gateway drug. You know good and well 
the Movement leaders want everyone who does TM to swallow it whole hog, get 
into yagyas, ayurveda over western medicine, buy vedic observatory models and 
all the rest. 


If you can see the Movement doing good when they for example offer to do a 
national yagya for England to prevent more flooding and storms AFTER the rainy 
season was over and AFTER they asked for and collected $100,000 to do the 
yagya when the pundits were already living in TM facilites and knew how to do 
the yagya already, if you see this as evidence of the kind of behavior TM 
creates or that it is doing good, you have a way different idea of what doing 
good in the world is.

I can't help but see the fact that what the Movement mainly uses TM for is to 
get more converts to make more money. They are not out there doing anything 
substantive to improve the quality of life for people - they promote TM to 
promote TM, not to do anything else. (from my point of view)




 From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:44 PM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 


  
 
From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:27 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 
  
I am curious how you feel it is doing good in the world when it has thrived 
off of lies, misinformation and the cultish beliefs and antics it has used for 
decades? Do you mean just by the fact it still teaches TM to folks who were not 
meditators before?
 
Yes, many of whom benefit tremendously from it, as I have. It’s not all “lies, 
misinformation and the cultish beliefs and antics”. There are many good people 
who are not guilty of that stuff, and there is probably a power struggle within 
the movement between them and those who are.
 



From:'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:15 AM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 
  
 
 
From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:36 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 
  
It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken the 
Movement.
I have no such strategy. I just forward stuff that’s relevant to FFL. That 
includes stuff from Hagelin, Orme-Johnson, etc. I wish the movement well. I 
think it’s doing a lot of good in the world. But it will only thrive if it 
conducts itself with honesty and integrity and purges itself from cultish 
nonsense, much of which was introduced by MMY. 
 


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
It's the same crew that accepts as valid the claim that MMY appeared to the 
woman in her dreams and begged her to publish her tell all book. 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Like I said before, it is Jerry Jarvis' stamp of approval that is giving this 
event legitimacy in the eyes of many old time TM'ers - not to mention the 
penchant of TM'ers to believe unbelievable bullshit - that helps too.

 

 From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 9:57 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 
 
   This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on assessing the 
content, why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is 
that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own 
views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has 
hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished 
that anyone is taking this seriously. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote :

 An organizer asked me to post this.
  
 www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/ 

  

 Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself.

  

 One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on 
assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). 
  

 Ask yourself on November 30th:

  

 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 

 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. 
If not, then don't. 

 That should always be the test. On the individual level. 

  

 For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch the 
recording afterwards:

  

 www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/


  








 


 











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
over the past 9 years, the DLF claims that they have taught 500,000 kids to 
meditate for free. 

 In 2012, all of 8,000 adults in the USA learned TM, paying some portion of the 
full fee while with kids, the lion's share of the fee went straight to the TM 
teachers. It's not a 50-50 thing as with the adult fee, but more like an 80-20 
or even 90-10 split, when kids are taught.
 

 

 This suggests that, unless you think that they're planning on huge revenues 20 
years from now from all the kids who learned TM at school, that teh TM 
organization exists primarily to teach TM, not to make money for its own sake.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
   I can't help but see the fact that what the Movement mainly uses TM for is 
to get more converts to make more money. They are not out there doing anything 
substantive to improve the quality of life for people - they promote TM to 
promote TM, not to do anything else. (from my point of view)







Absofuckinglutely. 










Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com



  
I can't help but see the fact that what the Movement mainly uses TM for is to 
get more converts to make more money. They are not out there doing anything 
substantive to improve the quality of life for people - they promote TM to 
promote TM, not to do anything else. (from my point of view)

Absofuckinglutely. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread nablusoss1008
They, including Rick Archer, have several agendas the most urgent is to try to 
split up and weaken the TMO.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife]
 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:26 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

 

  

They, including Rick Archer, have several agendas the most urgent is to try to 
split up and weaken the TMO.

With friends like you Nabby, the TMO doesn’t need enemies.





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Its the whole ball of wax. TM just doesn't measure up to the hype they make for 
it. It is a moderately effective meditation that many teachers say has a 
dropout rate of up to 90% in the first few months.

It doesn't produce enlightened people, which is one of the reasons the Movement 
no longer advertises that it will lead to enlightenment. 


The practice often leads to mental/emotional problems, which is one of the 
downsides I think Rick is ignoring when he says the Movement is doing good in 
the world. I agree that some seem to benefit from it, but to see the entire 
effect, one has to look at the whole picture and to ignore those who have 
mental and emotional problems that even lead to suicide is to ignore the whole 
effect of TM on the population of the world.

I don't know of other meditations that can lead to the unstressing you have 
with TM. In addition the absurd mental states the Movement actively encourages 
that Sal has commented on leads a lot of people to having major life problems 
with health, relationships and money. 


When you encourage people to believe whatever the Movement tells you, when they 
claim a man has a cigarette addiction because he's a siddha and is self 
referral and expect you to believe it they are engaging in mind manipulation 
and really encouraging people to be psychotic or to put it more nicely teaching 
them to be mind numbed sheep holding their wallets out to the Movement. This is 
not doing good in the world. 

They love to sell TM by implying that if you do TM, you will be as successful 
as the celebrities they love to parade before the cameras on David Lynch fund 
raisers. They ignore the rough edges of some of them like Lynch, Brand and 
Stern. They absolutely ignore and hide from the enormities of people like Robin 
Carlsen, Andy Rhymer, Stephen Collins, Bloomfield, Wallace's ex-wife who shot a 
woman during program in Los Angeles, Shuvender Shem who murdered Levi Butler 
right in Annapurna dining hall at MUM. Let's look at the whole picture.

I appreciate much Rick has done on many levels but I think he is still wearing 
blinders about Marshy and about the Movement. Let's look at the whole picture. 
Look at all the people who say TM is an asset, look at those who think it is a 
fine thing and then look with the same objective view at those who say it 
ruined their lives, that it screwed them up in many ways. Both camps are 
telling the truth. One is not right and the other wrong. Both things are true.


Look objectively at both sides, both camps and you have a picture of a 
meditation technique that taken in moderation and not expecting too much from 
it will yield positive results for some. When it is taught in the WAY MARSHY 
himself taught it and the way the Movement continues to teach it it is 
definitely doing damage to the world. Take out the lies, the bullshit and the 
Hindu superstitions and practices and its ok, otherwise not so ok. 






 From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 


  
I'm curious, how would you feel about TM if it was today only $125 and maybe 
taught over a weekend workshop?  Or maybe even the first technique free?  What 
bothers you more the money or the supposed link to 'Hinduism'?

On 10/13/2014 09:27 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:



  
I am curious how you feel it is doing good in the world when it has thrived 
off of lies, misinformation and the cultish beliefs and antics it has used for 
decades? Do you mean just by the fact it still teaches TM to folks who were 
not meditators before?





 From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] 
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:15 AM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 


  
 



From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:36 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 
  
It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken 
the Movement.
I have no such strategy. I just forward stuff that’s relevant to FFL. That 
includes stuff from Hagelin, Orme-Johnson, etc. I wish the movement well. I 
think it’s doing a lot of good in the world. But it will only thrive if it 
conducts itself with honesty and integrity and purges itself from cultish 
nonsense, much of which was introduced by MMY. 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
   This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on assessing the 
content, why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is 
that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own 
views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has 
hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished 
that anyone is taking this seriously. 

 






While I agree that the whole scenario is too silly for words, what does it say 
about the incredible gullibility and susceptibility of TMers *that* it's being 
taken seriously? 

In what other group would its members actually fall for this? 

What other group would proactively attempt to squelch it, as Raja (that's 
ludicrous in itself) Hagelin did? 

This is great theater. I hope *some* reporters actually attend, and write it up 
or do a TV bit about it. Can't you just imagine the headline/teaser? 
 

 This doesn't even begin to approach great theater. This is one of the 
funniest thing you have inadvertently ever written, bawee.

 Leaders Of TM Cult Freak Out Over Advice From Beyond The Grave 
Sent By Original Sexy Sadie Guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi












Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Rick, that has to be one of the best FFL comments EVER!!




 From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 1:27 PM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 


  
 


From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:26 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 
  
They, including Rick Archer, have several agendas the most urgent is to try to 
split up and weaken the TMO.
With friends like you Nabby, the TMO doesn’t need enemies.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I also find it interesting that many who still defend the Movement or think it 
is doing good or that TM itself is valuable don't actually teach TM anymore and 
in many cases don't even do TM anymore. That says more about the goodness of 
TM and its organization than anything else they can say about it.




 From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 


  
I'm curious, how would you feel about TM if it was today only $125 and maybe 
taught over a weekend workshop?  Or maybe even the first technique free?  What 
bothers you more the money or the supposed link to 'Hinduism'?

On 10/13/2014 09:27 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:



  
I am curious how you feel it is doing good in the world when it has thrived 
off of lies, misinformation and the cultish beliefs and antics it has used for 
decades? Do you mean just by the fact it still teaches TM to folks who were 
not meditators before?





 From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] 
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:15 AM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 


  
 



From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:36 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 
  
It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken 
the Movement.
I have no such strategy. I just forward stuff that’s relevant to FFL. That 
includes stuff from Hagelin, Orme-Johnson, etc. I wish the movement well. I 
think it’s doing a lot of good in the world. But it will only thrive if it 
conducts itself with honesty and integrity and purges itself from cultish 
nonsense, much of which was introduced by MMY. 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Jesus, Lawson of course they are counting on revenues coming from people they 
hope will become siddhas and lifetime Movement fanatics.




 From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 


  
over the past 9 years, the DLF claims that they have taught 500,000 kids to 
meditate for free.

In 2012, all of 8,000 adults in the USA learned TM, paying some portion of the 
full fee while with kids, the lion's share of the fee went straight to the TM 
teachers. It's not a 50-50 thing as with the adult fee, but more like an 80-20 
or even 90-10 split, when kids are taught.


This suggests that, unless you think that they're planning on huge revenues 20 
years from now from all the kids who learned TM at school, that teh TM 
organization exists primarily to teach TM, not to make money for its own sake.


L


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com



 
I can't help but see the fact that what the Movement mainly uses TM for is to 
get more converts to make more money. They are not out there doing anything 
substantive to improve the quality of life for people - they promote TM to 
promote TM, not to do anything else. (from my point of view)

Absofuckinglutely. 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/13/2014 12:14 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
I can't help but see the fact that what the Movement mainly uses TM 
for is to get more converts to make more money. They are not out there 
doing anything substantive to improve the quality of life for people - 
they promote TM to promote TM, not to do anything else. (from my point 
of view)


Absofuckinglutely. 


/Don't be so quick to confirm an opinion as *absolute* - you've been 
influenced by suggestion before, remember? ///It has already been 
established that there's no money in TM - even if you are a TM teacher 
or a dish washer on staff.


/It can be argued that it is not a TOTAL a waste of time to be a door 
guard for MMY or to bake some crusty bread for the president of MUM.


On the contrary, for a narcissist in the pursuit or gratification from 
vanity you may have derived a certain amount of personal pride from such 
an endeavor. Case in point.//

/


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/13/2014 12:25 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Take out the lies, the bullshit and the Hindu superstitions and 
practices and its ok, otherwise not so ok. 


/Prejudice is the judgment toward people or a person because of 
religion, race, gender, political opinion, social class, age, or 
disability./


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
CORRECTION: Enlightenment Discussed By Maharishi 
http://www.tm.org/enlightenment 
 
 http://www.tm.org/enlightenment 
 
 Enlightenment Discussed By Maharishi http://www.tm.org/enlightenment Maharishi 
on Enlightenment (excerpts from an interview) What is the goal of 
Transcendental Meditation? Maharishi: “The goal of the Transcendental
 
 
 
 View on www.tm.org http://www.tm.org/enlightenment 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
   
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Its the whole ball of wax. TM just doesn't measure up to the hype they make 
for it. It is a moderately effective meditation that many teachers say has a 
dropout rate of up to 90% in the first few months.
 

 **It doesn't produce enlightened people, which is one of the reasons the 
Movement no longer advertises that it will lead to enlightenment.** 

 

 The practice often leads to mental/emotional problems, which is one of the 
downsides I think Rick is ignoring when he says the Movement is doing good in 
the world. I agree that some seem to benefit from it, but to see the entire 
effect, one has to look at the whole picture and to ignore those who have 
mental and emotional problems that even lead to suicide is to ignore the whole 
effect of TM on the population of the world.
 

 I don't know of other meditations that can lead to the unstressing you have 
with TM. In addition the absurd mental states the Movement actively encourages 
that Sal has commented on leads a lot of people to having major life problems 
with health, relationships and money. 

 

 When you encourage people to believe whatever the Movement tells you, when 
they claim a man has a cigarette addiction because he's a siddha and is self 
referral and expect you to believe it they are engaging in mind manipulation 
and really encouraging people to be psychotic or to put it more nicely teaching 
them to be mind numbed sheep holding their wallets out to the Movement. This is 
not doing good in the world. 
 

 They love to sell TM by implying that if you do TM, you will be as successful 
as the celebrities they love to parade before the cameras on David Lynch fund 
raisers. They ignore the rough edges of some of them like Lynch, Brand and 
Stern. They absolutely ignore and hide from the enormities of people like Robin 
Carlsen, Andy Rhymer, Stephen Collins, Bloomfield, Wallace's ex-wife who shot a 
woman during program in Los Angeles, Shuvender Shem who murdered Levi Butler 
right in Annapurna dining hall at MUM. Let's look at the whole picture.
 

 I appreciate much Rick has done on many levels but I think he is still wearing 
blinders about Marshy and about the Movement. Let's look at the whole picture. 
Look at all the people who say TM is an asset, look at those who think it is a 
fine thing and then look with the same objective view at those who say it 
ruined their lives, that it screwed them up in many ways. Both camps are 
telling the truth. One is not right and the other wrong. Both things are true.

 

 Look objectively at both sides, both camps and you have a picture of a 
meditation technique that taken in moderation and not expecting too much from 
it will yield positive results for some. When it is taught in the WAY MARSHY 
himself taught it and the way the Movement continues to teach it it is 
definitely doing damage to the world. Take out the lies, the bullshit and the 
Hindu superstitions and practices and its ok, otherwise not so ok. 

  






















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 10/13/2014 12:25 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Look at all the people who say TM is an asset, look at those who think 
it is a fine thing and then look with the same objective view at those 
who say it ruined their lives, that it screwed them up in many ways. 
Both camps are telling the truth. One is not right and the other 
wrong. Both things are true.


/So, w//ho would you believe?

A very large group of people standing on a streetcorner, who all 
said that they just saw a 'big blue bus' go by.//

//
//Or,//
//
//Another, very small group of people, standing on the same street 
corner,who all said that 'no big blue bus' came by./


[FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :

 The Meditation Trust also offers TM teacher training these days, and implies 
that they are doing the work that MMY authorized them to do, despite him 
rescinding that authorization quite publicly and in completely explicit terms. 

 Now that I didn't know. Would like to know what their arrangement for the 
profits is, shall do some investigating...
 

 When I was last living at a TM centre - many moons ago - a few of the MT's 
students turned up asking for a check. They'd been told that once they had 
learnt TM they were welcome at any TM centre, which I thought was a bit naughty 
as it's a blatant lie and not fair on them to have to be told that we can't 
have anything to do with them. I resented the MT for putting me in the position 
of having to explain to some really nice and sincere seekers what was going on 
and why there was all this bad blood between us. 
 

 It all seems so childish.
 

 

 

 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer 
to Sal on this he is in a position to know.

 

 It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The 
Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who quit when 
Marshy put the price up so high it put them out of business. They have a few 
centres and hold courses in a country house where they teach the TMSP too. 
 

 The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there isn't 
much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy. 
 

 I know people who go on their courses, they always tell me that I musn't 
mention it to people in the movement, which says it all about the TMO really. 
The same guy was telling me that someone asked him if it was true that people 
get brainwashed in the TMO, he said of course not. 
 

 Anyway, they seem to be doing well and actually making money out of it which 
is the TM teachers dream, but then they don't have to give half to the TMO. Bad 
feelings about that too I shouldn't wonder.
 

 From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 
 
   Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires that 
the split off group has a coherent organization. I don't know if the initiators 
in England have this.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 the Movement already split - don't forget the renegade initiators in England

 

 From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:56 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 
 
   Species, Corporations, Religions, Cults, as is the nature of change, always, 
if they persist, break apart or become extinct. A schism is always eventually 
in the cards for the TM movement. It is said shortly after his death, the 
followers of Buddha broke into some two dozen different sects. You can see how 
Christianity split over time. There seem to be fewer splits among Muslims, 
perhaps a reflection of the dark ferocity of their memes. The Mormons, barely a 
religion after 150 years, have split six times. And look at all the different 
Hindu flavours. It is almost a no-brainer prediction that the TM movement will 
at some point split. *Already there are many teachers in various countries 
teaching outside the movement purview.* 
 

 I would say that movements in which the participants are unable to think for 
themselves are likely to cohere together longer than those in which mental 
freedom and expression are given freer reign. Onward Lemmings!
 

 Rick does not have to do anything to weaken the movement, it will break 
naturally of its own accord, it is already frayed around the edges. While you 
might try to do something to arrest progress, eventually you will fail. That is 
the nature of evolution.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 


 It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken 
the Movement.

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote :

 An organizer asked me to post this.
  
 www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/ 

  

 Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself.

  

 One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on 
assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). 
  

 Ask yourself on November 30th:

  

 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 

 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. 
If not, then don't. 

 That should always be the test. On the individual level. 

  

 For details of how to Reserve a free

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
Note that I'm not defending the movement.  I can teach meditation myself 
with a program that is better than TM but I don't push it nor hang a 
shingle but am willing to teach anyone who is interested.  That training 
and authority came from by tantra teacher.  I think TM is Yoga Lite 
and the way it is not  will definitely not work for everyone. Maharishi 
I'm sure knew that and just figured if it didn't work for someone they'd 
move on to something just as folks in India find a teaching from a 
particular guru isn't working for them they find another guru.   It's 
part of the culture.  When TM was $75 for an adult to learn that was no 
problem and it made a good social outlet for folks of similar interest.


Our medical establishment often speaks and acts as if everyone has 
metabolic syndrome just as TM treats the public as they are all pitta.  
Not everyone has metabolic syndrome and getting caught in such a shotgun 
approach to treating it can be disastrous if you don't have that 
problem.  Similarly with TM.


I wanted to know what was behind TM and I wasn't about to get that 
from the movement.  That I got from other teachers and from a trip to 
India to demystify that culture.


On 10/13/2014 10:29 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
I also find it interesting that many who still defend the Movement or 
think it is doing good or that TM itself is valuable don't actually 
teach TM anymore and in many cases don't even do TM anymore. That says 
more about the goodness of TM and its organization than anything 
else they can say about it.



*From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 12:47 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

I'm curious, how would you feel about TM if it was today only $125 and 
maybe taught over a weekend workshop?  Or maybe even the first 
technique free?  What bothers you more the money or the supposed link 
to 'Hinduism'?


On 10/13/2014 09:27 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
mailto:mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:



I am curious how you feel it is doing good in the world when it has 
thrived off of lies, misinformation and the cultish beliefs and 
antics it has used for decades? Do you mean just by the fact it still 
teaches TM to folks who were not meditators before?



*From:* 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com 
mailto:r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 11:15 AM
*Subject:* RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30



*From:*FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *nablusoss1008

*Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 3:36 AM
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and 
weaken the Movement.
I have no such strategy. I just forward stuff that’s relevant to FFL. 
That includes stuff from Hagelin, Orme-Johnson, etc. I wish the 
movement well. I think it’s doing a lot of good in the world. But it 
will only thrive if it conducts itself with honesty and integrity and 
purges itself from cultish nonsense, much of which was introduced by 
MMY.












Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
But, Richard, it's often gonna be groups of equal size who are disagreeing! 
Ultimately we each have to come to our own conclusions.



On Monday, October 13, 2014 1:01 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' 
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 


  
On 10/13/2014 12:25 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

Look at all the people who say TM is an asset, look at those who think it is a 
fine thing and then look with the same objective view at those who say it 
ruined their lives, that it screwed them up in many ways. Both camps are 
telling the truth. One is not right and the other wrong. Both things are true.

So, who would you believe? 

A very large group of people standing on a streetcorner, who all said that they 
just saw a 'big blue bus' go by.

Or,

Another, very small group of people, standing on the same street corner,who all 
said that 'no big blue bus' came by.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I'm surprised they have this on their web site - but that is a far cry from the 
focus the Movement had on it before - witness the early days of TMSP where it 
was said that ALTHOUGH the program taught supernormal abilites, the real reason 
Marshy taught them was to accelarate the progress to enlightenment - he said 
the yoga sutras sewed or knit together the fabric of Unity. They don't say that 
anymore -it became all about world peace since no one gained enlightenment from 
TMSP (except Robin and Unity Andy)




 From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
 


  
CORRECTION:
Enlightenment Discussed By Maharishi
 
   Enlightenment Discussed By Maharishi  
Maharishi on Enlightenment (excerpts from an interview) What is the goal of 
Transcendental Meditation? Maharishi: “The goal of the Transcendental  
View on www.tm.org Preview by Yahoo
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :


Its the whole ball of wax. TM just doesn't measure up to the hype they make for 
it. It is a moderately effective meditation that many teachers say has a 
dropout rate of up to 90% in the first few months.

**It doesn't produce enlightened people,which is one of the reasons the 
Movement no longer advertises that it will lead to enlightenment.** 


The practice often leads to mental/emotional problems, which is one of the 
downsides I think Rick is ignoring when he says the Movement is doing good in 
the world. I agree that some seem to benefit from it, but to see the entire 
effect, one has to look at the whole picture and to ignore those who have 
mental and emotional problems that even lead to suicide is to ignore the whole 
effect of TM on the population of the world.

I don't know of other meditations that can lead to the unstressing you have 
with TM. In addition the absurd mental states the Movement actively encourages 
that Sal has commented on leads a lot of people to having major life problems 
with health, relationships and money. 


When you encourage people to believe whatever the Movement tells you, when they 
claim a man has a cigarette addiction because he's a siddha and is self 
referral and expect you to believe it they are engaging in mind manipulation 
and really encouraging people to be psychotic or to
put it more nicely teaching them to be mind numbed sheep holding their wallets 
out to the Movement. This is not doing good in the world. 

They love to sell TM by implying that if you do TM, you will be as successful 
as the celebrities they love to parade before the cameras on David Lynch fund 
raisers. They ignore the rough edges of some of them like Lynch, Brand and 
Stern. They absolutely ignore and hide from the enormities of people like Robin 
Carlsen, Andy Rhymer, Stephen Collins, Bloomfield, Wallace's ex-wife who shot a 
woman during program in Los Angeles, Shuvender Shem who murdered Levi Butler 
right
in Annapurna dining hall at MUM. Let's look at the whole picture.

I appreciate much Rick has done on many levels but I think he is still wearing 
blinders about Marshy and about the Movement. Let's look at the whole picture. 
Look at all the people who say TM is an asset, look at those who think it is a 
fine thing and then look with the same objective view at those who say it 
ruined their lives, that it screwed them up in many ways. Both camps are 
telling the truth. One is not right and the other wrong. Both things are true.


Look objectively at both sides, both camps and you have a picture of a 
meditation technique that taken in moderation and not expecting too much from 
it will yield positive results for some. When it is taught in the WAY MARSHY 
himself taught it and the way the Movement continues to teach it it is 
definitely doing damage to the world. Take out the lies, the bullshit and the 
Hindu superstitions and practices and its ok, otherwise not so ok. 




 



RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread nablusoss1008

 The TMO doesn't have real enemies, they don't qualify. But they do have a lot 
of nutties with big egos who think they know better. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote :

  
 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:26 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30


  
  
 They, including Rick Archer, have several agendas the most urgent is to try to 
split up and weaken the TMO.
 With friends like you Nabby, the TMO doesn’t need enemies.

 








RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30

2014-10-13 Thread nablusoss1008
None of the nutties with big ego's who think they know better, like yourself, 
qualify as an enemy of the Movement.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote :

  
 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:26 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30


  
  
 They, including Rick Archer, have several agendas the most urgent is to try to 
split up and weaken the TMO.
 With friends like you Nabby, the TMO doesn’t need enemies.

 








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