Re: [gentoo-user] Re: package.keywords/kde
Ernie Schroder schreef: On Monday 12 December 2005 09:12, a tiny voice compelled Marc Christiansen to write: Ernie Schroder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ebuild UD] sys-devel/m4-1.4.3 [1.4.4] [ebuild UD] sys-devel/autoconf-wrapper-3-r1 [3.2] [nomerge ] app-admin/perl-cleaner-1.01 [ebuild UD] dev-lang/perl-5.8.6-r8 [5.8.7-r2] [ebuild UD] sys-devel/libperl-5.8.6-r1 [5.8.7] The four packages above that portage wants to downgrade are all in ~x86. Looks like you had ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 in your /etc/make.conf but deleted it or you removed the packages from package.keywords. Hope that helps, Marc Close but no cigar. I did use ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge kde All of these ~x86 packages were brought in at that time Well, that explains it. For the 7 billionth time, ACCEPT_KEYWORDS= on the emerge command line is a /temporary/ setting, valid /only for that emerge/. Portage *does not remember it* once the emerge is completed-- so as far as it knows, it is only allowed to install the stable packages for KDE, not the unstable. That is why it's trying to downgrade-- and this is why you are not supposed to use ACCEPT_KEYWORDS= on the command line (because this will happen, and it's a real PITA, as you see). In order to authorize Portage to accept *and keep* the unstable packages, you /must/ 1) either add ~x86 to the ACCEPT_KEYWORDS= setting in /etc/make.conf (but this will allow all unstable packages, which you may not want); 2) add the specific unstable packages you want to /etc/portage/package.keywords These are the only settings that will permanently override the default settings, which are allow stable only, unsurprisingly. I'm sorry to say, but either suck it up and add all the relevant packages to /etc/portage/package.keywords (several people have posted little scripts to do this, check the archives), or suck it up and wait till the packages are stable. HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: package.keywords/kde
Ernie Schroder schreef: On Monday 12 December 2005 10:11, a tiny voice compelled Holly Bostick to write: Ernie Schroder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ebuild UD] sys-devel/m4-1.4.3 [1.4.4] [ebuild UD] sys-devel/autoconf-wrapper-3-r1 [3.2] [nomerge ] app-admin/perl-cleaner-1.01 [ebuild UD] dev-lang/perl-5.8.6-r8 [5.8.7-r2] [ebuild UD] sys-devel/libperl-5.8.6-r1 [5.8.7] Close but no cigar. I did use ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge kde All of these ~x86 packages were brought in at that time Well, that explains it. For the 7 billionth time, ACCEPT_KEYWORDS= on the emerge command line is a /temporary/ setting, valid /only for that emerge/. Portage *does not remember it* once the emerge is completed-- so as far as it knows, it is only allowed to install the stable packages for KDE, not the unstable. That is why it's trying to downgrade-- and this is why you are not supposed to use ACCEPT_KEYWORDS= on the command line (because this will happen, and it's a real PITA, as you see). I'm not sure I follow your logic Holly. I know exactly what ACCEPT_KEYWORDS on the command line does. I used it for KDE only and all of the kde packages are in package.keywords. One would think that an update would not try to downgrade packages that are depended on by entries in .keywords, or is portage just not that smart? But what about everything else? According to you, you did ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge kde The thing is, you've basically done an export variable operation. An exported variable is valid across the entire session. It does not persist across sessions, but it persists for all processes performed in that shell session. So basically every emerge you did until you started a new login shell used ~x86 rather than x86. The direct dependencies of this package of kde are: Runtime Dependencies kde-3.5.0 kde-base/kdeaddons3.5.0 kde-base/kdeadmin3.5.0 kde-base/kdeartwork3.5.0 kde-base/kdebase3.5.0 kde-base/kdeedu3.5.0 kde-base/kdegames3.5.0 kde-base/kdegraphics3.5.0 kde-base/kdelibs3.5.0 kde-base/kdemultimedia3.5.0 kde-base/kdenetwork3.5.0 kde-base/kdepim3.5.0 kde-base/kdetoys3.5.0 kde-base/kdeutils3.5.0 kde-base/kdewebdev3.5.0 accessibility kde-base/kdeaccessibility3.5.0 which you've said you have in /etc/package.keywords. Fine. However, the deep dependencies are not, but were upgraded by the use of ACCEPT_KEYWORDS on the command line, as Neil said: Neil Bothwick schreef: This is exactly why you should not use ACCEPT_KEYWORDS on the command line. It applies to the whole emerge process, so even if KDE would be happy with the installed version of the dependencies, you have told emerge to upgrade them. So, looking for perl-related deep dependencies, we find: Runtime Dependencies kdenetwork-3.5.0 dev-lang/perl snip of the others So-- kdenetwork depends on perl directly, and the kde metapackage you've installed depends on kdenetwork. So perl is a deep dependency of (the particular) kde (metapackage) you have installed. Therefore it was upgraded *temporarily* by your use of ACCEPT_KEYWORDS on the command line (because an update became available due to the command line option). Libperl also upgraded by this procedure as perl depends on libperl. Runtime Dependencies perl-5.8.7-r3 = sys-devel/libperl - 5.8.7 berkdb sys-libs/db gdbm = sys-libs/gdbm - 1.8.3 So you have upgraded libperl and perl to ~x86 by using ACCEPT_KEYWORDS on the command line. But that doesn't really explain autoconf-wrapper, or m4, for example. Did you perhaps do some further emerges that upgraded autoconf or autoconf wrapper, m4, and perl-cleaner? Perhaps emerge -u world after the emerge kde? That would have upgraded packages that depend on the upgraded packages (perl-cleaner of course depends on perl; autoconf-wrapper depends on autoconf, which depends on perl and has an upgrade to ~x86; m4 depends on autoconf-wrapper). In any case, some time must have passed and you logged off, shut down, or in some other way you must have closed the current login session in the term and begun another, which used the 'regular' settings read from /etc/make.conf and /etc/portage/package.keywords, since as soon as you did an emerge -u world in what must have been a new session, Portage saw that a number of packages were not authorized, because it has forgotten the exported settings from the last session. So the affected packages emerged during the export must be downgraded to stable. HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is there and Alternative to compiling kde?
Daevid Vincent schreef: Y'know, it's a bit early in my morning for so much whine, so that's probably why I'm a bit testy He should have been here when I installed Gentoo on a 200Mhz machine. He should have watched me compiling Apache, PHP, MySQL and a lot of other packages on my Pentium 100 with 48MB of RAM Yeah yeah yeah... Great ol' glory days... Guess what... It's not the 80's anymore. CPUs are fast, but the programs are still monolithic and take days to compile. No, in fact they are *not* monolithic any more, that is the entire point of the split ebuilds and modular X. Ya'll that like to waste your time compiling can keep on doing that, while the rest of us would like to get some work done. Those of us that like to waste our time compiling actually do it in such a way that we *can* get some work done while the compile is progressing... maybe I'm missing your point, or maybe your work requires the big builds in some way (meaning X mostly, since KDE is by no means a requirement to get something done). The thing that's frustrating me right now, is that I just installed KDE 3.5 the other day, then upgraded to the new GCC. After a revdep, it apparently has broken all my libc something or other and so I'm once again re-compiling KDE to fix that! ...joy, only 176 packages to go... :-\ Are you logged in all this time? If so, what's the problem? And for you all that want to say -- switch Distros, your logic is flawed. Just because I don't want to waste 3 days or more compiling KDE on a 2Ghz/640MB notebook, doesn't mean I don't want the other benefits of Gentoo, Fine, you want the benefits without the price-- now for myself, I consider the ability to customize my KDE install (in my case to the absolute minimum necessary) to be a benefit, but apparently you don't. So check out http://desktop.vidalinux.com/ , supposedly they have a club (that you must pay to be a member of) that provides binary packages. Maybe you'll find that price more acceptable for your needs. Unfortunately the site is down due to mobo failure atm, but hth anyway. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] MPlayer
Cláudio Henrique schreef: What is the advantage of running mplayer in framebuffer? Mainly that you don't also have to run X to watch a movie. Afaik. Not that that isn't a pretty big benefit. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] traffic shaping and p2p
Matthias Langer schreef: Now, what i want is the same for p2p apps - give them as much bandwidth they can reasonably get but don't let them slow down firefox, ssh etc. In the case of Azureus specifically, your problem is actually not with Azureus, but with Java (that's what's slowing down, and further what is likely to be slowing down Firefox as well if it's running. Certainly I find that running both Firefox and Azureus together is the fast road to The System of Molasses). You might consider aliasing Java to run at a good niceness (in ~/.bashrc) alias java=nice -n 15 java so that when Azureus starts the (many, many) Java processes that it uses, they will be niced to something you can live with. What effect this will have on Firefox, I cannot say, however. Just an idea, hope it helps, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OpenGL Server Error
Raphael Melo de Oliveira Bastos Sales schreef: Why would a CD burning program ask for OpenGL? Not k3/b/, k3/d/; eix k3d * media-gfx/k3d Available versions: ~0.2.5.4 ~0.4.4.0 ~0.4.4.2 ~0.5.0.33 ~0.5.0.34 Installed: none Homepage:http://k3d.sourceforge.net Description: K-3D is a free 3D modeling, animation, and rendering system. 2005/12/16, AJ Spagnoletti [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have just finished emerging k3d and I am getting an error when I try to run the program. When I try to run the program I get the following error. ERROR: Could not connect to an OpenGL Server. Shutting down Obvious question first; what video card, and what drivers? Is there an OpenGL (3D hardware acceleration) server available at all? Meaning, do the drivers for your video card provide OpenGL? Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ATI driver, tvout, blue video window
Michael Mauch schreef: Alan E. Davis wrote: I followed an instruction on one of the howtos or faqs to not enable dri in the kernel. That's something different, you should revert that. Michael, that's wrong, for the fglrx drivers-- they won't install or run if the kernel DRM is enabled. The drivers contain their own DRI, which will not load if the kernel DRI is loaded already (which it will if it is enabled in the kernel at all). The install script actually checks the kernel's .config (this is why the kernel source to which /usr/src/linux points must have a valid config file, even if it is not yet compiled or installed, in order to install the fglrx drivers) to see if the option is enabled, and halts installation if it is found as either Y or M. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge Question
Mark Knecht schreef: On 12/17/05, Jeff Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I ran emerge -uaD today, I got the following output: These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating world dependencies ...done! [ebuild U ] sys-apps/man-pages-2.16 [2.15] [ebuild U ] net-misc/curl-7.15.1 [7.15.0] [ebuild NS ] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.6.14-r5 [ebuild N] x11-apps/ttmkfdir-3.0.9-r3 [ebuild N] x11-base/opengl-update-2.2.1 [ebuild N] media-libs/fontconfig-2.2.3 [ebuild N] x11-base/xorg-x11-6.8.2-r6 [ebuild N] virtual/x11-6.8 [ebuild N] app-arch/rpm2targz-9.0-r3 [ebuild N] sys-apps/utempter-0.5.5.6 [ebuild N] x11-terms/xterm-204 [ebuild N] x11-libs/openmotif-2.2.3-r3 [ebuild N] app-text/xpdf-3.01-r3 [ebuild U ] net-print/cups-1.1.23-r4 [1.1.23-r1] How do I find out why the x-11 programs are trying to be installed? I am running just a server, so I have no X or X-11 or any gui type programs installed. And, I don't want any gui type programs installed. Thanks, Jeff Try the tree option (-t) and see if it shows you what's calling it. The -v (--verbose) option would be useful here too-- it's possible that one of these packages has a USE flag enabled that requires X (like the motif flag issue seen here on the forums the other day. And since I see openmotif being called ) Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] can't emerge realplayer
maxim wexler schreef: Turns out RealPlayer-10.0.6.776-20050915.i586.rpm is not in the same location that emerge looks for it. A search leads to helix but you have to scroll down, way down to find it. Download into /usr/portage/distfiles and re-emerge. Worked for me :) You might post a bug encouraging the maintainer to fix the URL in the ebuild, if such a bug report does not exist. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] son of can't mount vfat part.
maxim wexler schreef: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ grep FAT /usr/src/linux/.config # CONFIG_X86_MCE_NONFATAL is not set # DOS/FAT/NT Filesystems CONFIG_FAT_FS=y CONFIG_VFAT_FS=y CONFIG_FAT_DEFAULT_CODEPAGE=437 CONFIG_FAT_DEFAULT_IOCHARSET=iso8859-1 reflex pindar # mount -t fat32 /dev/hda2 /mnt/hda2 mount: unknown filesystem type 'fat32' reflex pindar # mount -t vfat /dev/hda2 /mnt/hda2 mount: unknown filesystem type 'vfat' reflex pindar # mount -t auto /dev/hda2 /mnt/hda2 mount: unknown filesystem type 'vfat' reflex pindar # mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/hda2 mount: unknown filesystem type 'vfat' Now, what I notice about this is the unknown file system. Since you have the vfat module compiled into the kernel, it seems to me that this can only mean that the module is not loaded (as it might not be if a FAT32 filesystem did not need to be mounted at boot, because it was not detected, and/or the partition is not set to autoload at boot via /etc/fstab, and/or the module is not set to autoload at boot via /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.*). What happens if you modprobe vfat before attempting to mount? If this works, at least you know what the problem is (and that it's not that the filesystem just *says* it's FAT32 but actually isn't, which is another possible cause of such an issue-- I've had that happen to me, just not with fat32). If it's just that the module needs to be loaded, then put it in /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.*, so you don't have to worry about it anymore. If you get an error when attempting to modprobe, or after modprobing mounting still returns an error, then we've at least got more information (in the case of an error), or eliminated one possible cause (if mounting still fails after successfully modprobing the module). HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] java vs. javascript - what's the difference?
Mark Knecht schreef: What's 'javascript' and how do I make this work? JavaScript From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Jump to: navigation, search JavaScript is an object-based scripting programming language based on the concept of prototypes. The language is best known for its use in websites, but is also used to enable scripting access to objects embedded in other applications. It was originally developed by Brendan Eich of Netscape Communications Corporation under the name Mocha, then LiveScript, and finally renamed to JavaScript. Like Java, JavaScript has a C-like syntax, but it has far more in common with the Self programming language than with Java. Java From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Jump to: navigation, search The term Java can refer to: In computer science: * Java, a technology developed by Sun Microsystems for machine-independent software, which encompasses: o Java programming language, an object-oriented high-level programming language o Java virtual machine, the virtual machine that runs Java byte code o Java platform, the Java virtual machine plus API specifications + Java 2 Platform, Standard Edition, targets desktop environment + Java 2 Platform, Enterprise Edition, targets server environment + Java 2 Platform, Micro Edition, targets embedded consumer products * JavaScript, a scripting language syntacticly similar to, but semanticly different from, the Java programming language John Blinka already told you how to enable JavaScript (and Java, if you want) in your (Mozilla/Gecko-based) browser. HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] son of can't mount vfat part.
maxim wexler schreef: --- Mariusz Pêkala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would not hurt to modprobe, anyway. ;-) FATAL: Module vfat not found. naturally Maybe it would be worthwhile to recompile your kernel with vfat *as* a module, to see what the effect of modprobing and mounting thereafter would be. You might get more useful error messages, anyway. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting to kde 3.5
Philip Webb schreef: 051218 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:27:50 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: Otherwise, I keep a list of all the packages I have installed -- something Gentoo should provide automatically, but 'world' doesn't, Yes it does. world provides a list of all packages YOU have installed. Rubbish ! It doesn't list packages installed in support of another during the same emerge command. This is exactly what Neil meant... if you install... oh, pysol, and it installs pysol-sound-server in support, only pysol will be written to world, because that is what YOU installed (emerge pysol). You didn't emerge pysol-sound-server explicitly; it was installed as a dependency, and dependencies are not written to your world file. However, if you then unmerge pysol, and run emerge depclean (-p), pysol-sound-server will be listed as eligible to be removed (as an orphaned dependency of an unmerged program formerly in your world file). That's how Portage works. Sorry you don't like it, but claiming that correct instructions on the working of the distribution's tools is just our blinkered opinion about how one is supposed to do it everyone else does is,,, unjustified. But as you say, enough. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Java install question
Mark Knecht schreef: Do anyone know what was meant by the final comment? I've copied it here for ease of discussion. How do I set the Java VM to the JDK? Why is this recommended? 1) java-config. 2) because you won't then get the errors you reported at the beginning of this thread :-) . At least with Sun java; I switched a while ago to support the java apps I use that require 1.5.0, and don't remember so much how blackdown works anymore. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Java install question
John Jolet schreef: On Dec 18, 2005, at 8:58 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: On 12/18/05, Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Knecht schreef: Do anyone know what was meant by the final comment? I've copied it here for ease of discussion. How do I set the Java VM to the JDK? Why is this recommended? 1) java-config. OK. Thanks Holly. But if I'm going to set the VM to be the jdk, then why install the jre? I guess I have no clue about the difference between the jre and the jdk or why both are needed or what each one does. I can say that installing the jdk broke one aspect of the sun jre. Bummer for me. this has always confused me...if you install the jdk, in the path with the jdk (/usr/local/java for instance), there's a jre directory...you have /usr/local/java/bin/java and /usr/local/java/jre/ bin/java.both. so you don't need to install both. the jdk is INCLUSIVE of the jre. Not on my system (32-bit). If I try to use the Sun jre alone, I get the same errors that Mark reported if I try to set it as the system VM; using it as user VM seemed OK as I recall. Eventually I got tired of having the system vm and the user vm being different (probably me being anal rather than a real issue), and since using Sun 1.5.0.* as the user VM hadn't seemed to cause any major issues, I attempted to make it the system VM as well, at which point I got this stuff (this is Mark's, but this was the same error I got): * Found no JDK, setting sun-jre-bin-1.5.0.06 as default system VM javac not found at /opt/sun-jre-bin-1.5.0.06/bin/javac or /opt/sun-jre-bin-1.5.0.06/jre/bin/javac javadoc not found at /opt/sun-jre-bin-1.5.0.06/bin/javadoc or /opt/sun-jre-bin-1.5.0.06/jre/bin/javadoc jar not found at /opt/sun-jre-bin-1.5.0.06/bin/jar or /opt/sun-jre-bin-1.5.0.06/jre/bin/jar rmic not found at /opt/sun-jre-bin-1.5.0.06/bin/rmic or /opt/sun-jre-bin-1.5.0.06/jre/bin/rmic THIS SYSTEM VM IS NOT SUFFICIENT, REQUIRED BINARIES WERE NOT FOUND System Virtual Machine set You may want to update your enviroment by running: /usr/sbin/env-update source /etc/profile Unfortunately I don't remember what was actually in the /bin folder as I have since uninstalled the jre and set both the user and system vm to the sun jdk. But either java and jar really weren't there, or they were and java-config couldn't find them, and in either case I really didn't have the time or interest to investigate the root issue (gotta choose your battles with Gentoo, sometimes ;-) ), so I just switched everything to the jdk (which works fine, despite being only 1.4.2, when some apps I use recommend 1.5.0+), uninstalled the jre (I had previously unmerged/masked the blackdown jre when I installed Sun's) and went on with my week (last week, I think this was). Haven't noticed any issues with having done so; web browsers seem to work, as well as what java-based apps I use. So I admit I don't know what the problem is, and I also concede that it probably shouldn't be happening (as you say), but I confirm that Mark's original issue does seem to be real and that is the workaround/hack I used to bypass it when I encountered it. However, any real Java users/developers might find it is inappropriate and I make no guarantees that it is. It's just what worked for me, because I didn't like that error at all-- though I don't necessarily think that it was fatal or even critical or that I would have had problems had I just let it stand and used the Sun jre as the system vm (after all, what do I do as root with Java? Nothing, afaik). Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: initrd where is the docu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef: John Jolet [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: mkinitrd :) you shouldn't need that with a 2.6 kernel, though. Is it not required for the trademark gentoo boot up with nifty graphics? The nifty graphics on boot are not provided by any kernel initrd you may create, though such graphics may be *included* in any such initrd. The splash initrd is created by a separate application, splashutils. If this utility is present, you can use it to make a boot initrd with the graphics (or, I believe, get genkernel to include the graphics in the initrd it makes by default), but you can compile the splash directly into the kernel and bypass the initrd completely (if you don't use genkernel which is going to make one anyway). If that's all you're concerned about (the pretty splash), then what you want to read is http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_fbsplash This will explain how to set up your kernel to support splashutils and how to get it running on your system, either with or without an initrd (I used to use an initrd, but I don't anymore and compile the splash directly into the kernel). I can confirm that the Wiki instructions do work correctly, but you can also follow the link to Spock's Gensplash page (Spock is the Gentoo dev who created fbsplash and splashutils), where he has short instructions as well. HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] i'm new of list
Dale schreef: Neil Bothwick wrote: Because it is insecure on some mail readers and unreadable on others. Linux insecure? Never had that problem before. Everybody doesn't always read the list on Linux, or using Linux mail readers. Suppose you're reading it at work, where they use IE (on your lunch hour, of course :-) ). Or even suppose you're one of those mad persons who runs Outlook under Wine/Crossover Office (because that's what your work/clients uses to send you mail, and it's the weekend, or you're off site). Suppose you're at a hotel on a trip (business or pleasure) and downloading your mail to a USB stick, which is inserted into a Windows PC, because that's what the hotel uses, and when you get home that stick will be connected to a mixed Windows/Linux network, from which any viruses that may have been in the mail will be able to propagate through the network, unless you have a clean room to protect the network while you make sure that the USB stick is clean and safe. It's a big world out there. Expand your thinking to encompass it :-) . Unreadable I may can get though. I use Mozilla-mail so I am a new fuddy duddy. :-) I can get HTML or text only just the same. Actually mine shows up as HTML even though it is sent as text only. This, :-) , shows up as a smiley when I get the post back. That does not mean that the mail is showing up as HTML. That conversion from a text smiley to a graphical smiley is a feature of the Mozilla mail readers (MozMail and Thunderbird); it converts the smileys it knows to graphics. It doesn't know all of them-- this.-- :-P -- will not show up as a graphic. I can assure you that this is the case (although you may well be displaying mail as HTML), because I have my mail set to display all mail as Plain Text (even if it's HTML; check View=Display Message as (sorry, on my desktop it's in Dutch, so that may not be exact)-- you can choose between Original HTML, Simple HTML and Plain Text and I have Plain Text chosen), and I still get the smileys as graphics (because I have that set as well; check Preferences=General=Plain Text Messages=Show emoticons as graphics). Trust me, I've been using Mozilla-based browsers and mail a long time, long before they were Mozilla (since the days there was only Netscape). You may well be displaying HTML mail (since that's probably the default), but that is unrelated to the smileys (since you can have them as graphics under plain text display as well). The thing about unreadable more likely refers to those who use command-line mail clients like mutt or pine, because they like them, or because they run a box without X (and just because you don't have X doesn't mean that you shouldn't be able to read and respond to your mail-- this is Linux, after all). But as I understand it, HTML mail in a command-line mail reader dispays all the HTML tags-- and if you've ever tried to read the source of an HTML page, you know that trying to read *just* the text amongst the tags is a fast way to a severe headache. We're all volunteers here; not many are willing to risk a migraine just to determine the text of your question amidst completely unnecessary HTML tags. It's a big world out there. People have very different needs and use Gentoo in very different ways, but they come here anyway to help each other out. It's only decent to make that as easy as possible for them (especially when you're asking strangers for help), and the first step is not assuming that everyone is just like you (generic you)-- meaning, using X, on a desktop, on a client (as opposed to a server), working on a local machine (as opposed to ssl-ing into a remote machine), or have broadband and lots of disk space (so the size of HTML mail plus possible embedded fonts[!!] is not relevant). All we're interested in is the text of one's question anyway; there's no reason to send anything more than that, and doing so ensures that everyone who might be able to answer can easily read and understand what your problem is. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] i'm new of list
jangar schreef: hi Oh, I forgot to say hi to jangar :-o (That's me, you'll get used to it, hopefully ;-) ). Hi, jangar! Nice to meet you. Welcome in! Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Getting to kde 3.5
Nick Rout schreef: On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:08:33 + Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:29:05 +1300, Nick Rout wrote: The lady has a way with words! particularly for someone from the .nl domain :-/ Holly is American... so it's even more surprising GDR wow she hasn't bitten either of us LOL. I'm trying to let the thread *die*, gentlemen.! That /is/ what I ended by saying, after all Cheese and crackers! :-) Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Blocking package... How do I fix it?
Jules Colding schreef: Hi, My daily update has run into a blocking package. How do I best resolve this? Thanks, jules snip ## omc-2 ~ # emerge -vauDN world These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating world dependencies ...done! [blocks B ] =x11-libs/openmotif-2.2.3-r3 (is blocking x11-libs/motif-config-0.9) [ebuild U ] sys-apps/util-linux-2.12r-r1 [2.12r] +crypt +nls -old-crypt +pam +perl (-selinux) -static 0 kB [ebuild NS ] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.6.14-r5 -build -doc +symlink (-ultra1) 181 kB [ebuild U ] sys-apps/pciutils-2.2.0-r1 [2.1.11-r5] 286 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/motif-config-0.9 0 kB [ebuild U ] x11-libs/openmotif-2.2.3-r8 [2.2.3-r3] 0 kB [ebuild N] media-libs/jbigkit-1.4 318 kB [ebuild N] media-libs/jasper-1.701.0 +jpeg +opengl 1,329 kB [ebuild N] media-libs/urt-3.1b-r1 +X +gif -gs +tiff 992 kB [ebuild U ] media-libs/netpbm-10.30-r1 [10.29] +jpeg +png (-svga) +tiff +zlib 2,542 kB [ebuild U ] www-client/links-2.1_pre19 [2.1_pre18] +X -directfb +fbcon -gpm -javascript +jpeg -livecd +png +ssl (-svga) +tiff +unicode 3,754 kB [ebuild U ] media-libs/xvid-1.0.3 [1.0.2] -doc 529 kB [ebuild U ] sys-apps/less-385_p4-r2 [382-r2] +unicode 482 kB Total size of downloads: 10,417 kB !!! Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be installed !!!on the same system. The normal way to fix a block is to unmerge the blocking package (in this case openmotif), then run the emerge again. motif-config apparently replaces openmotif (from www.gentoo-portage.com) Runtime Dependencies motif-config-0.9 app-shells/bash ! x11-libs/lesstif - 0.94.0* ! x11-libs/lesstif - 0.93.97 ! x11-libs/lesstif - 0.93.94-r4 ! x11-libs/openmotif - 2.2.3-r6 ! x11-libs/openmotif - 2.2.3-r5 ! x11-libs/openmotif - 2.2.3-r4 ! x11-libs/openmotif - 2.2.3-r3 ! x11-libs/openmotif - 2.2.3-r2 ! x11-libs/openmotif - 2.2.3-r1 ! x11-libs/openmotif - 2.2.3 ! x11-libs/openmotif - 2.2.2* ! x11-libs/openmotif - 2.1.30-r13 unlike the previous versions which only depended on bash, this version demands that openmotif not be present on the system. As Ryan said, the procedure is to unmerge openmotif and then run the emerge again to install motif-config, but I myself would investigate before doing this whether or not I wanted or needed motif-config at all, and whether it would support the needs I had up to this point used openmotif for. A block can also be solved by not requesting one of the packages at all, because it turns out to be unnecessary. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gaim without gnome lib
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef: hi, actually i installed gaim with no gnome support (i have 1.4 gaim version), but since 1.5 gaim still want gnome lib ? why USE=-gnome dont works as before ? USE=-gnome *does* work as before; it's likely that your problem is related to a new USE flag: emerge -pv gaim These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ] net-im/gaim-1.5.0 -cjk -debug ==-eds== +gnutls -krb4 +nas +nls +perl -silc +spell +tcltk 0 kB Total size of downloads: 0 kB You see that eds? It stands for Evolution Data Server, and it drags in Evo Data Server, probably Evo, and a whole bunch of GNOME deps for those packages. This is all very well and good if you want Evo support in Gaim, but if you don't use the Evolution mail client, then disable this flag. Hope this helps, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Win4Lin Pro install errors
Tom Smith schreef: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 02:16:52 +, Peter Ruskin wrote: Well, of course! This is Gentoo - no rpm hell here! What you need is rpm -ivh --nodeps Win4Lin... Before you do that, check through the list of dependencies that rpm showed and make sure they are all installed. That was my original question that started this thread... Which Gentoo packages do I need to install to satisfy the dependencies that RPM indicated were missing? That question has yet to be answered. The RPM errors do not mean that those packages are not installed. I mean, come on-- error: Failed dependencies: /bin/sh is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 ld-linux.so.2 is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 libICE.so.6 is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 libSM.so.6 is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 libX11.so.6 is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 libXext.so.6 is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 libXi.so.6 is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 libc.so.6 is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 libcrypt.so.1 is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 libdl.so.2 is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 libgdk-1.2.so.0 is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 libglib-1.2.so.0 is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 libgmodule-1.2.so.0 is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 libgtk-1.2.so.0 is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 libm.so.6 is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 libnsl.so.1 is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 libpam.so.0 is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 libpthread.so.0 is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 libutil.so.1 is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 libz.so.1 is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.0) is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.1) is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.1.3) is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.2) is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.2.3) is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 libcrypt.so.1(GLIBC_2.0) is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 libdl.so.2(GLIBC_2.0) is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 libdl.so.2(GLIBC_2.1) is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 libm.so.6(GLIBC_2.0) is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 libm.so.6(GLIBC_2.1) is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 libnsl.so.1(GLIBC_2.0) is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 libpthread.so.0(GLIBC_2.0) is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 libpthread.so.0(GLIBC_2.1) is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 libpthread.so.0(GLIBC_2.2) is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 libutil.so.1(GLIBC_2.0) is needed by Win4LinPro-6.2.5-01 Surely you don't think that you're missing /bin/sh or glibc!! The issue here is that RPMs use an RPM database to keep track of what is installed. You don't have an RPM database, because Gentoo is not a binary RPM-based distribution and therefore none of the dependencies were installed via RPM. You are never going to be able to convince the RPM which you're trying to install independently that the programs are already present. This is why --nodeps was suggested; the RPM you're trying to install won't then try to scan the non-existant database for programs that are installed, but not via RPM. Presumably the ebuilds for RPM applications do a complex process of linking the various aspects of the pre-compiled binary to the previously-existing aspects of the Gentoo system, so that the RPM doesn't freak out, and the Gentoo system can access the RPM program. Win4Lin is, naturally, a very complicated install, and so it's not as if you could just 'pop it in' as if it was Flash or the ATI drivers (one-function applications that don't require hooks to many parts of the base system). Were I you, I would consider looking at the most recent Win4Lin ebuild and see how it does it, then either try copying the ebuild to my overlay and updating it to work with the current version you have-- or as previously suggested, contacting the maintainer of the Win4Lin ebuild (or posting a bug to that effect) and seeing if you can get an update. After all, the maintainer will have to do this sometime, when the app is released, and perhaps it's a difficult procedure that takes some time. So it might be worthwhile to give said maintainer a heads-up now and get the ball rolling if it is not. At the very least, you might be able to get some tips as to how to get a provisional/temporary/overlay ebuild working, or what the issues involved might be. HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge pb with vmware-linux-tools
It means posting the answer here, which is not helpful to understanding if you don't know what the question is [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef: Erm, by the way, what means top posting ? ...Instead of posting the answer here, which makes logical sense in relation to the question. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] This is weird. upgrade and downgrade at the same time. ???
Dale schreef: Hi guys, and Holly, I ran a revdep-rebuild on my main rig and it says it needs to do this: [ebuild UD] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.10.1-r2 [2.12.2] OK, the U means Upgrade right? The D means downgrade right? What the heck is going on here? How is it going to upgrade then downgrade and why? It's not going to upgrade, then downgrade It means that the upgrade *is* a downgrade from the version currently installed. This can happen for a number of reasons, but all the reasons relate to the currently-installed package being illegal on your system in Portage's view. For example: 1. You installed the current version with ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~arch on the command line; because this is a temporary setting that Portage doesn't remember after a new shell login, when a global Portage search is later run, Portage sees that only stable packages are legal and downgrades the upgrade; 2. The package has changed status since installation and is no longer legal (for example, the dev team has discovered major problems and hard masked the package, making it legal on _no-one's_ system-- this happened to me yesterday with the bash upgrade); 3. The package that uses this package as a dependency cannot use this version of the currently-installed lib as a dependency (has a hard version dependency), so the package must be downgraded to serve as a dependency for the package in your world file that's demanding it. Etc., etc, enz. Here's the whole thing. [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # revdep-rebuild -p snip Collecting system binaries and libraries... using existing /root/.revdep-rebuild.1_files. snip Can someone clear this one up for me? I'm a little more confused than normal on this one. You see that using exisiting /root/.revdep-rebuild.1_files? That means that you previously ran revdep-rebuild -p and the system is using that output to run the actual rebuild. It's quite possible that the previous --pretend was run before you upgraded gnome-vfs, and the output of course does not know that the upgrade has occurred (since it's using old output, rather than checking the entire tree again). I would say either remove all the /root/.revdep-* files in the tree and run revdep-rebuild again (with or without -p, if you use -p then you'll have to run it again without to actually perform the rebuild), or just downgrade and then when you run another emerge -uaDtv world, you will likely be offered the upgrade again-- and since you're using the --tree option, you will be able to see what's bringing in gnome-vfs. While I am at it. I don't use Gnome so why is it installing it? I use KDE. Do an emerge -upDtv gnome-vfs (after the downgrade, if you allow it). That should show you what is bringing it in (the --tree view), and the USE flags that package is using It's possible that you have the gnome USE flag enabled for a package that doesn't need it, or another USE flag-- eds comes to mind that forces the dependency. Hope this helps. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Merry Christmas!
Ernie Schroder schreef: On Friday 23 December 2005 23:59, a tiny voice compelled Dan Meltzer to write: On Friday 23 December 2005 23:53, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On Friday 23 December 2005 10:05 pm, Glenn Enright wrote: Hope you all enjoy your day tomorrow. Merry Christmas! Thanks! Blessed Solstice to All! (A bit late...) And a Merry Non-Demoninational Solstice Holiday With Gift Giving to you also! IT'S CHRISTMAS! Merry Christmas to all my friends here. If you don't celebrate the birth of Christ, please disregard this message. If the message offends you, move somewhere where they have laws against celebrating Christian holidays. I'm sure you'll be much happier. Happy holidays to all-- whatever the holiday you are celebrating at this time! It's really kinda nice that /everybody/ has a holiday around now, regardless of religion or culture. It would be nicer if we all could appreciate that as a kind of common ground across religions and cultures. Maybe next year. :-) Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] This is weird. upgrade and downgrade at the same time. ???
Dale schreef: Holly Bostick wrote: Dale schreef: Who is this schreef guy? I'm just Dale. :-) (at least I hope you're jokiing)-- schreef is wrote in Dutch (so now you know a word of Dutch, hurrah!). It's just the default quote header-- as you see before Dale screef is Holly Bostick wrote, which is the exact same quote header, but yours, quoting me, is in English, while mine, quoting you, is in Dutch. My Thunderbird is in Dutch as are almost all my other desktop applications, as I'm trying to learn Dutch computer language the hard way. It's not much use telling a native Dutch speaker to choose Edit=Preferences=Composition=Send Options if their desktop is not in English, they don't speak English, and I don't know the Dutch words for what is actually appearing and I'm not physically in front of their desktop. Not much hope of getting work as a tech support tech if I don't know the proper terminology when I'm trying to help people over the phone, for example. I beg your indulgence in this matter. Hi guys, and Holly, I ran a revdep-rebuild on my main rig and it says it needs to do this: [ebuild UD] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.10.1-r2 [2.12.2] OK, the U means Upgrade right? The D means downgrade right? What the heck is going on here? How is it going to upgrade then downgrade and why? It's not going to upgrade, then downgrade It means that the upgrade *is* a downgrade from the version currently installed. Oh, I see. Sort of looks funny though. LOL Agreed, but really it's not a big deal, especially since the currently-installed version is right there in brackets after the version that is about to be installed, and it's easy to see that the version proposed to be installed is a downgrade from the currently-installed version. This can happen for a number of reasons, but all the reasons relate to the currently-installed package being illegal on your system in Portage's view. snip Mine was in package.keywords for some reason. I dunno. A ghost maybe LOL You see that using exisiting /root/.revdep-rebuild.1_files? That means that you previously ran revdep-rebuild -p and the system is using that output to run the actual rebuild. Yea, I just used the up arrow and bash history. I usually rm the files before I run revdep. The first time anyway. snip Well, I took it out of package.keyword and this is what I get now. [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # revdep-rebuild -p snip Dynamic linking on your system is consistent... All done. [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # It works and it didn't change anything. Oh well. It works, I'm happy. Yes, because there was nothing wrong with the currently-installed version, apparently; revdep-rebuild only thought there was because the previous output that you were using required a package no longer present (because you had already upgraded it to the currently-installed version before you ran the actual rebuild based on the previous output). Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] This is weird. upgrade and downgrade at the same time. ???
Dale schreef: Holly Bostick wrote: Dale schreef: Holly Bostick wrote: Dale schreef: Who is this schreef guy? I'm just Dale. :-) (at least I hope you're joking)-- schreef is wrote in Dutch (so now you know a word of Dutch, hurrah!). It's just the default quote header-- as you see before Dale screef is Holly Bostick wrote, which is the exact same quote header, but yours, quoting me, is in English, while mine, quoting you, is in Dutch. snip Oh. I thought I had something set wrong over here. I thought it was saying my last name was schreef, which it isn't by the way. LOL No, for two reasons; 1) if it was intended to indicate your last name, it would most likely be capitalized, as is the tradition for proper names, the fact that it isn't indicates that it's just a word; 2) the format of the default quote header is sender_name wrote, so since your view name is Dale, no last name appears, whereas since my view name is Holly Bostick-- as opposed to just Holly-- any default headers quoting me say Holly Bostick wrote, as opposed to any default header quoting you, which will only say Dale wrote, with wrote being in the default language for the desktop. We don't even know your last name; you haven't provided it (which is perfectly fine, it's your right and we don't care anyway). Why would we make something up? Did you not notice that when Dirk Heinrichs quoted you in your Easy way to unmerge all of KDE? thread, his quote header was Am Freitag, 23. Dezember 2005 07:12 schrieb ext Dale: Which is On Friday, 23 December 2005 0:7:12 Dale wrote in /German/? Many mail programs translate common words, dates, and date format that are inserted into the mail into the default system language, since the presumption is that you are naturally writing in that language, to those who speak that language, and if you are not, the information is not so critical that it really matters if you don't speak German (or Dutch), since the date is pretty understandable if you need it, and the fact that you don't know that schrieb means wrote is fairly irrelevant, since he obviously then quotes your previous post (so it's easy enough to guess that schrieb means wrote). :-) Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Corel Draw for Gentoo linux
Adrian schreef: Thanks much, but . . . Darn, I knew it couldn't be that simple. Trying to emerge I end up with the following error message. Anyone? Thanks. snip http://sources.redhat.com/automake/automake.html#Extending-aclocal /usr/share/aclocal/xmms.m4:62: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_XMMS /usr/share/aclocal/wxwin.m4:36: warning: underquoted definition of AM_OPTIONS_WXCONFIG /usr/share/aclocal/wxwin.m4:59: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_WXCONFIG /usr/share/aclocal/smpeg.m4:13: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_SMPEG /usr/share/aclocal/sigc++.m4:8: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_SIGC /usr/share/aclocal/pkg.m4:5: warning: underquoted definition of PKG_CHECK_MODULES /usr/share/aclocal/path_dps.m4:202: warning: underquoted definition of AC_PATH_DPS_GUESS_GNUSTEP /usr/share/aclocal/path_dps.m4:239: warning: underquoted definition of AC_PATH_DPS_GUESS /usr/share/aclocal/path_dps.m4:333: warning: underquoted definition of AC_PATH_DPS_CHECK_LIB /usr/share/aclocal/path_dps.m4:405: warning: underquoted definition of AC_PATH_DPS_CHECK_HEADER /usr/share/aclocal/path_dps.m4:440: warning: underquoted definition of AC_PATH_DPS_CHECK /usr/share/aclocal/path_dps.m4:450: warning: underquoted definition of AC_PATH_DPS /usr/share/aclocal/path_dps.m4:525: warning: underquoted definition of AC_CHECK_DPS_NXAGENT /usr/share/aclocal/path_dps.m4:558: warning: underquoted definition of AC_PATH_DPSET /usr/share/aclocal/path_dps.m4:579: warning: underquoted definition of AC_PROG_PSWRAP /usr/share/aclocal/path_dps.m4:172: file `path_dps.m4' does not exist autoreconf-2.59: aclocal failed with exit status: 1 You might try emerge dgs app-text/dgs Latest version available: 1234 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 0 kB Homepage:http://ronaldmcnightrider.ytmnd.com/ Description: fake ebuild to force removal of broken path_dps.m4 License: as-is then try your emerge again. HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Errors when emerge is unpacking the source.
David Harel schreef: When I emerge things I get errors similar to: /usr/share/aclocal/sigc++.m4:8: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_SIGC run info '(automake)Extending aclocal' or see http://sources.redhat.com/automake/automake.html#Extending%20aclocal /usr/share/aclocal/pth.m4:43: warning: underquoted definition of _AC_PTH_ERROR /usr/share/aclocal/pth.m4:55: warning: underquoted definition of _AC_PTH_VERBOSE /usr/share/aclocal/pth.m4:61: warning: underquoted definition of AC_CHECK_PTH /usr/share/aclocal/libmcrypt.m4:17: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_LIBMCRYPT /usr/share/aclocal/libglade.m4:7: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_LIBGLADE /usr/share/aclocal/libart.m4:11: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_LIBART /usr/share/aclocal/libIDL.m4:6: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_LIBIDL /usr/share/aclocal/gtkgl.m4:4: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_GTKGL /usr/share/aclocal/gtk.m4:7: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_GTK /usr/share/aclocal/gtk--.m4:10: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_GTKMM /usr/share/aclocal/gnome--.m4:10: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_GNOMEMM /usr/share/aclocal/glib.m4:8: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_GLIB /usr/share/aclocal/audiofile.m4:12: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_AUDIOFILE /usr/share/aclocal/ao.m4:9: warning: underquoted definition of XIPH_PATH_AO /usr/share/aclocal/ORBit.m4:4: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_ORBIT Any idea? Try emerge dgs * app-text/dgs Available versions: 1234 Installed: none Homepage:http://ronaldmcnightrider.ytmnd.com/ Description: fake ebuild to force removal of broken path_dps.m4 HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] This is weird. upgrade and downgrade at the same time. ???
Allan Gottlieb schreef: At Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:19:27 +0100 Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not much use telling a native Dutch speaker to choose Edit=Preferences=Composition=Send Options if their desktop is not in English, they don't speak English, Really? My (limited) experiences with native dutch people is that their spoken english is such that the best way to detect that they are dutch and not american is to notice the complete absence of grammatical errors. That may be so, but only most likely for 1) the young (who are taught English in school as a requirement); 2) those who have a great deal of contact with the English-speaking, so have the opportunity to practice; and/or 3) live in or near Amsterdam (which is just another way of saying #2). This excludes vast numbers of citizens and aliens, including my (future) mother-in-law, who just got her first computer last month. She spoke English fairly regularly a couple of decades ago, when she regularly hosted visiting Americans, but it has long since fallen into disuse-- and she would not have her desktop in English in any case. My downstairs neighbor is young enough to have learned English in school, but since he didn't have any English-speaking companions (except those in school with him), it fell into disuse (not unlike my French), and he cannot be said to speak/understand English. Ultimately, native Dutch speakers in their own country, where Dutch is the official language, can really only be expected to speak Dutch, and certainly as consumers have every right to expect any service personnel to be able to perform their service-related duties in that language. Would you find it satisfactory to call... Dell, or CompUSA ... and have the tech support personnel help you in half English, half Puerto Rican Spanish-- or all Spanish, even though you did not choose a language to proceed in when calling-- just because a percentage of the population of New York City speaks Spanish? The Dutch speak Dutch in The Netherlands. They care about that enough to have required me to learn Dutch as a requirement to stay here. They clearly expect me (and other aliens) to conduct internal affairs in Dutch. Just because some (or even many, but not nearly as many as the propaganda claims) may have a second language (or even a third, as a lot of people speak or understand German as well, Germany being so close and German in some ways similar to Dutch, though not in as many ways as the propaganda claims) is no reason to expect that a Dutch employer would not expect an employee to speak fluent Dutch to its Dutch clients. But of course, the requirement to learn Dutch only covers normal language, not specialized technical language-- for that, you have to have more schooling (as a Russian woman I knew in the Dutch as a Second Language course had to-- she is a dentist, but had to have an extra... year, I think... of language school, just to cover Dutch dental language before she could hope to get work in the field). Since I can't afford more schooling at this time, I'm doing it the hard way. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Strange traffic says I am using windoze and have a bug.
Dale schreef: Hi guys, and Holly, :D I'm on dial-up and try to watch my traffic and every once in a while I see a little blip on gkrellm. I fired up ethreal and started to sniff around. Parden the pun there. LOL This is what it says though which is strange. It's really the last two lines that matter but I am putting the whole thing here just in case. Sorry so long. snip Microsoft Messenger Service, NetrSendMessage Operation: NetrSendMessage (0) Server Max Count: 10 Offset: 0 Actual Count: 10 Server: Microsoft Client Max Count: 35 Offset: 0 Actual Count: 35 Client: inform you about a virus detection Message Max Count: 497 Offset: 0 Actual Count: 497 Message [truncated]: Windows has detected a virus on your system. In order to remove it please follow this steps:\n\n1. Start Microsoft Internet Explorer or your default web browser.\n2. Type into the navigation bar: http://www.cleanmyreg. What is this? Is this some spam and it pops up a window if I were using windoze? I went to the site and it looks like they want to sell something, which I ain't buying by the way. ;-) Yes-- not that I know anything about this, but it looks like a trick popup. The site does not seem to be checking your browser ID (which would say Linux), but instead assumes that 1) you are a Windows user (after all, isn't everybody?) 2) you use IE (after all, doesn't everybody?) 3) you do not have a competent admin on your system -- the message uses Microsoft Messenger Service, which is turned on by default under Windows, and enables these kind of popup messages across LAN and WAN, sort of like a mini MSN-- which I believe it connects to as well-- and is not only quite useless except to people like this, but also quite insecure because it lets unknown people like this send you messages without your active consent. Any Windows user I know with even a grain of competence turns it off first thing after installation. But of course Joe and Jane Average User don't know to do this because their OS is supposed to competently administer their system for them. Oh, well keeps my bf in barter trade goods for cleaning the PCs of Joe and Jane out again every 3 months or so. How can I tell them to stop this? 1) Don't go to the site. 2) If you must go to the site, don't do so with IE (if you're using Windows for whatever reason) 3) If you must go to the site using IE, for heaven's sake, don't click that link (though that may not protect you; some sites will also transfer their payload when you try to close the popup even if you don't click the link) 4) If you must go to the site using Windows, then have a good a) firewall, 2) ad-blocker, 3) spyware blocker/cleaner, and 4) antivirus scanner present on the system. You could also complain to 1) the site 2) the hosting admin 3) the authorities, but it's clearly a commercial deal for somebody -- either the host or the admin has coded/allowed this pass-through to be present on their site, and /somebody/ has either been paid to do so or expects to get paid for doing so in terms of click-through revenues or advertising view revenues or, more unpleasantly, virus or trojan proliferation, and imo, regular users are unlikely to stop the flow of compensation except by not participating. But you don't have Windows or the Microsoft Messenger Service on a Gentoo box; this foolishness is not actively dangerous to you; especially since you don't have a Registry either, so there's no reason for you to follow the link to any supposed Registry-cleaning program. GKrellm is just reporting that somebody tried to send you a message through this non-existent service. Oh, only my main rig does this. My three servers which have no GUI stuff or browsers installed do not get this, that I can see anyway. Another thing a bit off topic. I noticed earlier that there was a post in some foreign language, looked like Japaneese or Chinese and looked like spam to me. Later I got one in my personal email. Can someone get my email address from this list? I have got a few emails from people, which is OK as long as it is not spam. Just curious. I like the list but I didn't know my private email would become public, if this is true. I never understand about how people think their email address is private, when it's meant to allow communication between the public network (the Internet) and you. You can take your number out of the phone book too, which means that _most_ random people will be unlikely to call you, but anyone can simply punch a series of numbers--even accidentally-- and call you, because you are connected to the public telephone network by your phone number. In the early days of telemarkting, that used to happen a lot; even now, there are computer-generated phone calls that call and when you pick up the phone, you get a computer talking to you (often telling you to hold on for a live person who's going to try to sell you something). Such setups
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ebuild for dev-java/sun-j2sdk?
Peper schreef: And there are also some packages like cedega, which you must even dowload by torrent :P After you have subscribed (which is the real reason for the fetch restriction)? It's only a 10MB rpm/deb/tgz, why would you have to download it by torrent? In that particular case, Cedega is a commercial application, and only subscribers (paying customers) may access the download link. Therefore you are required to manually download the binary to /usr/portage/distfiles, where Gentoo can then install it. It's really just a super-set of the same issue, you have to in some way authenticate yourself before you may have the program; in sun and ibm's case, that authentication involves accepting the license, in the case of Transgaming, it involves paying money to subscribe. But it's the same thing; the developer wants to know/specify who has access to their work, and they enforce that. Gentoo respects that enforcement. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ebuild for dev-java/sun-j2sdk?
Stroller schreef: On 26 Dec 2005, at 20:27, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:46:55 +0100, Peper wrote: Yes, I do know that and that's why i proposed a new solution for this - emerge would handle showing license and user will accept or decline it. If user accepts fetching starts... Which would almost certainly break Sun's licence, they want to see you agree to the licence. The best emerge could do would be to load the relevant page in your browser, where you could jump through whatever hoops the licence requires. I thought emerge did something like this for some of the games packages... I thought it displayed the whole text of the license and requires the reader to accept before continuing. Yes, it does; but those I have encountered (Quake 4, for example) require you to have already bought the game to even install it (insofar as you're unlikely to install a game you can't run, because the game data files must be transferred from the CD, and the serial number from the game box must be entered before you can play). Since you have already bought the game the license is displayed via the install script, just as it would be displayed by the Windows installer before installation proceeded. But afaik, the displayed license is a part of the install script (which in the case of Quake 4, is provided by id, not by gentoo), not a part of emerge /per se/. The same thing happens, iirc, with the Flash installer, which is why you have to install it via the command line when installing manually or under another distro-- the developer-provided install script (which is what's contained in the *.rpm, basically an rpm install just unpacks the script then runs it) requires that the license be accepted before the script will proceed with the install, and if for whatever reason you're not installing from the command line (for example, SuSE users using the YAST/Konqueror integration and clicking the install with YAST button with the *.rpm selected in a Konq window) the app will not install, because you cannot accept the licence (because you can't see it, not having a term window open), and therefore the install script does not run. But as Neil said, this is not the same situation as with Sun and IBM (or Transgaming), who require you to specifically, personally, authenticate yourself *to /their/ servers* prior to downloading the binary /from/ their servers. Which emerge cannot do (authenticate each individual user to the relevant server and then download the binary on the basis of that authentication). Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Need help with USE options.
Dale schreef: Hi again, I read a thread that was talking about the global USE pulling some things a user may not want installed. I am going to do a reinstall and mostly copy some things over from my current install but I do want to change my USE line. I am a bit worried about using the option they posted, the -* at the beginning of the USE line. I may disable something that I need then. The first thing you need to understand is that USE flags enable/disable *optional* support for supplemental applications. USE flags will never affect anything that you need (to run the system), though it may affect things that you want (for your own ease and comfort). For example: I run fvwm-crystal (not KDE, thus, and also not GNOME, though GNOME is installed). However, I do use the KDE program K3b for CD burning. emerge -pv k3b These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ] app-cdr/k3b-0.12.10 +alsa -arts +css -debug +dvdr +encode +ffmpeg +flac +hal -kde +kdeenablefinal +mp3 +musepack +musicbrainz +sndfile +vcd +vorbis -xinerama 0 kB As you can see, I have kde and arts support diasabled. Since I do not use KDE (or even have more than a minimal KDE installed), adding such support would be pointless (bloat), since enabling the arts USE flag would bring in aRTs (the KDE sound server, which I wouldn't use even if I did use KDE), and enabling the kde USE flag would bring in k3bSetup2, which is a nice little utility to correct the permissions on the CD/DVD burner if necessary, but it's not really mission critical enough to warrant bringing in the additional KDE backend required to support it (if the permissions need to be changed, I can do it myself in 15 seconds, I don't need a GUI from a DE that I don't even use just to do that). But you can see from the dependency list that in order to install K3b, I must install kde-env, kdebase, kdelibs, and kdesu; those are /hard/ dependencies, requried by the application in order for it to run at all; the applications/libraries installed by the *USE* flags noted are optional: Runtime Dependencies k3b-0.12.9 |= app-cdr/cdrdao - 1.1.7-r3 kde-base/kde-env3 kde-base/kdebase |= kde-base/kdelibs - 3.3 kde-base/kdesu media-libs/libsamplerate media-libs/taglib | = media-sound/cdparanoia - 3.9.8 media-sound/normalize = x11-libs/qt - 3.3* *css* media-libs/libdvdcss *encode* media-sound/lame *encode* media-sound/sox *ffmpeg* media-video/ffmpeg *flac* media-libs/flac *hal* sys-apps/dbus *mp3* media-libs/libmad *musepack* media-libs/libmpcdec *musicbrainz* media-libs/musicbrainz *sndfile* media-libs/libsndfile *vcd* media-video/vcdimager *vorbis* media-libs/libvorbis virtual/cdrtools *alsa* media-libs/alsalib *dvdr* app-cdr/dvd+rwtools So the necessary KDE backend for the program to run is installed, just not any extras that I don't necessarily want to use. That's what USE flags do. I use KDE for my desktop. I plan to have OOc installed along with java and that sort of thing. I don't have any database software installed, that I know of anyway. I want to make this a reasonable install this time. I have a lot of gnome stuff installed right now and I don't use gnome at all. So, add -gnome to your global USE flags-- oh, I see you already do-- and then do an emerge -uaDNtv world (to recompile all apps compiled with gnome support without it), and then an emerge depclean -p and then an emerge depclean (or unmerge various packages individually) to remove the now-unnecessary GNOME libs that were previously installed. You might also want to disable gtk, and gtk2. When you say you have a lot of gnome stuff installed, what precisely do you mean, anyway? You seem to have -gnome in your USE flags, so it's not as if you have applications installing unnecessary (for you) GNOME libs and such. And surely you did not explicitly install GNOME-- or did you? If so, unmerge it (if you emerged gnome or gnome-light, this will only unmerge the meta packages, not the applications installed by the meta packages), and then do an emerge depclean -p (and then an emerge depclean, or unmerge the packages individually) to remove the now-orphaned GNOME dependencies. But you may have a number of packages that depend natively on GNOME/GTK libs; and if so, then you're just stuck with those, in the same way I'm stuck with kdebase and qt if I want to use K3b. If that's a real problem for you, investigate what programs those may be and see if you can find a KDE or generic X-based alternative (for example, if you use gcolor2, a GTK/GNOME color-chooser, you may want to switch to kcoloredit, the KDE color chooser). This is my current USE line: USE=acl acpi alsa amd arts artsd artswrappersuid -bonobo cdr chroot clanJavaScript -crypt dbus doc -eds ethereal f-prot fdftk gaim gcj gimpprint gkrellm -gnome gphoto2 gtk -gtkhtml hal
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge going weird
Jason Stubbs schreef: On Saturday 31 December 2005 21:57, Holly Bostick wrote: If you look at the output [nomerge ] sys-libs/db-4.2.52_p2-r1 -bootstrap +doc +java -nocxx +tcltk the reason db is calling for java is because you have the java USE flag set for db. Do you really need db to use Java? If not, disable the flag (# echo 'sys-libs/db -java' /etc/portage/package.use); problem solved. All the way up until the next package which depends on java. Only the first package that is came across is listed as the parent. sys-libs/db doesn't call for any specific version of java. The complaint is that sun-jdk-1.5 is installed but emerge is wanting to install sun-jdk-1.4. This indicates that sun-jdk-1.5 is likely masked. Well that's all true, Jason, but my point was that this is an *option*, not a hard dependency, and many times people have USE flags enabled for things they don't even need (or need for the specific program). So Kevin certainly could unmask sun-jdk 1.5 --and if it's installed, then how did that happen without it being unmasked? Sun-jdk-1.5 is hard-masked! The original post does not say that any version of the jdk is actually installed: Anyway, my latest emerge world failed because of sun-jdk-1.4.2.10 (!!!). The current one is 1.5 something. Meaning (to me) that Kevin is referring to the current *available* *version* of sun-jdk, not to any version he might have installed (and my impression is that he does not in fact have any version of sun-jdk installed), and he's just concerned that an out-of-date version will be installed rather than the latest. But if he doesn't need java support in the db at all, then disabling the USE flag entirely (globally or for this package alone), then java won't be called by the emerge of db, which saves having to unmask a package that Kevin may have concerns about installing in the first place if he runs stable, or even unstable-- sun-jdk-1.5 *is* hard-masked, after all, and one should rightfully think twice and then think again about installing a hard-masked package-- and secondly does not install bloat onto the system (if he doesn't need java support in db, then he has no reason to install it, or spend the extra compile time installing db java support). I've often solved similar issues on my own system by the simple expedient of disabling the USE flag that was calling the dependency that was giving me a problem. Helps keep the system clean. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Weird GNOME problem
Michael Sullivan schreef: On Sat, December 31, 2005 4:44 am, Rumen Yotov wrote: On (31/12/05 01:49), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Earlier tonight I changed the setting in /etc/conf.d/rc for the RC_DEVICE_TARBALL from yes to no and rebooted. Now I can't get into GNOME. For my personal account after I enter my username/password the screen clears and I see the default background color and my mouse pointer, then nothing else. I can move the mouse pointer, but there's nothing the click on and the context menu doesn't come up when I right-click. When I tried to log in as root from the welcome screen I see the GNOME Starting box with the Gentoo logo, but it never goes on from that. To get out of both my personal account and the root account I had to Alt+Cntrl+Backspace. I got a Failsafe Terminal and looked at the log files for gdm and saw this: (EE) GARTInit: Unable to open /dev/agpgart (No such file or directory) There are five log files in /var/log/gdm; they all say roughly the same thing, and their timestamps are consistent with the times I tried to log in and got stuck. I can't even find out why it's looking for this file or how to make it stop looking for it. Can anyone help me out here? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list Hi, Are you using a Nvidia video card? Reverting RC_DEVICE_TARBALL to yes should solve the problem but it's not a solution. udev isn't creating the /dev/agpgart file/link - check if it's there and with what perms. Rumen /dev/agpgart does not exist. As far as I know I am not using a Nvidia card. If I was I think I would have a /dev/nvidia as well as several other similar /dev files starting with nvid, but I don't... As far as you know? Do you not know what video card you have in your box? This is not really a wise policy in general (not knowing what your hardware is), but especially not when running Linux. But anyway, here's the deal. AGPGART is the device representing your AGP bus, which bus (slot) most likely holds your video card (unless you have an onboard video chip, a PCI video card, or use PCI-E, which you might, but most likely do not, as the vast majority of systems in use today use an AGP video card). AGPGART is a motherboard resource, which is part of the kernel. What may have happened is that you upgraded your kernel at some point and did not enable agpgart in the kernel config, and/or did not enable specific support for your motherboard, but this was not noticed because the previously-existing device file was in the tarball you were using. However, when you stopped using the tarball, because the modules were not present in the kernel, a new device could not be created (because no module/driver was found to create the device necessary). This is, of course, all speculation, but I can't offhand think of any other reason that /dev/agpgart would not be created, other than that the module isn't loaded, and the most likely reason that that would happen is because there is no support in the kernel enabled. However, this could also happen because the module isn't explicitly loaded because either coldplug is not installed, and/or the module--if compiled as a module-- needs to be in /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.* and is not there present, and/or the module-- if compiled directly into the kernel is not loading because the kernel itself does not have support for loading modules enabled. But these are all somewhat less likely than agpgart support not being enabled in the first place (which is itself fairly unlikely, but since you are not getting the device being created, there must be *some* reason that that isn't happening). What Rumen is talking about is a specific quirk of nVidia cards using the proprietary nVidia drivers, that the device must be created in local.start because the device is for some reason not created automatically (I don't have an nVidia card, so I don't know the details). There is also a specific quirk of ATI cards using the proprietary fglrx drivers, that agpgart must be compiled into the kernel as a module, but your xorg.conf must be specifically set to either use the kernel module or the module included with the fglrx drivers; the two are incompatible and the fglrx drivers may or may not work if you use the wrong one. The reason you can get into a failsafe GNOME session is because that uses the 'vesa' video driver, which is practically guaranteed to provide a basic display (it's basically like Windows Safe Mode, doesn't run anything except what you absolutely need to have enough of a session that you can fix whatever's wrong). However, a full GNOME session requires the driver specified in your xorg.conf to load, which it most likely cannot, because your AGP bus is not loaded, so X is unable to communicate with your video card (which is on the AGP bus, which is not accessible, because the device file does not exist). So what we want is to cause this device file to be created, which would mean that
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge going weird
Kevin O'Gorman schreef: Synopsis: I do have java 1.5 unmasked. I need it for the classes I teach. So why doesn't db use java 1.5? On 12/31/05, Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jason Stubbs schreef: On Saturday 31 December 2005 21:57, Holly Bostick wrote: If you look at the output [nomerge ] sys-libs/db-4.2.52_p2-r1 -bootstrap +doc +java -nocxx +tcltk the reason db is calling for java is because you have the java USE flag set for db. Do you really need db to use Java? If not, disable the flag (# echo 'sys-libs/db -java' /etc/portage/package.use); problem solved. All the way up until the next package which depends on java. Only the first package that is came across is listed as the parent. sys-libs/db doesn't call for any specific version of java. The complaint is that sun-jdk-1.5 is installed but emerge is wanting to install sun-jdk-1.4. This indicates that sun-jdk-1.5 is likely masked. Well that's all true, Jason, but my point was that this is an *option*, not a hard dependency, and many times people have USE flags enabled for things they don't even need (or need for the specific program). So Kevin certainly could unmask sun-jdk 1.5 --and if it's installed, then how did that happen without it being unmasked? Sun-jdk-1.5 is hard-masked! The original post does not say that any version of the jdk is actually installed: Anyway, my latest emerge world failed because of sun-jdk-1.4.2.10 (!!!). The current one is 1.5 something. Meaning (to me) that Kevin is referring to the current *available* *version* of sun-jdk, not to any version he might have installed (and my impression is that he does not in fact have any version of sun-jdk installed), and he's just concerned that an out-of-date version will be installed rather than the latest. But if he doesn't need java support in the db at all, then disabling the USE flag entirely (globally or for this package alone), then java won't be called by the emerge of db, which saves having to unmask a package that Kevin may have concerns about installing in the first place if he runs stable, or even unstable-- sun-jdk-1.5 *is* hard-masked, after all, and one should rightfully think twice and then think again about installing a hard-masked package-- and secondly does not install bloat onto the system (if he doesn't need java support in db, then he has no reason to install it, or spend the extra compile time installing db java support). I've often solved similar issues on my own system by the simple expedient of disabling the USE flag that was calling the dependency that was giving me a problem. Helps keep the system clean. This has been pretty informative. Perhaps I'm getting closer to understanding this. Fact: I do have Java 1.5 unmasked. I teach java, and need to be using the current version. I have the java USE flag on generally, so there will probably be a number of packages that will call for it. On the other hand, I don't have a specific need for it in 'db' which I never use explicitly -- I use gdbm or one of the SQL products for what database stuff I do personally. The question now seems to be: why doesn't db use Java 1.5? Watching the emerge go by, it seemed to be doing just that -- the filenames were all 1.5. However, it's not just db. When I disable java in db using package.use, the problem just switches to another dependency path: [nomerge ] dev-lang/swig-1.3.21 +X +doc +guile +java +perl -php +python +ruby +tcltk [ebuild NSF ] dev-java/sun-jdk-1.4.2.10 +X +alsa -browserplugin +doc -examples -jce +mozilla +nsplugin 35,592 kB Quite possibly because the issue may be in your virtuals rather than in the world file: Runtime Dependencies swig-1.3.27 snip java virtual/jdk I presume that db (among others) also relies on virtual/jdk rather than an explicit package or package version). And iirc, the virtual is not going to be linked to a hard-masked package (or at least it most likely is not atm, or the hard-masked packages are listed after the stable packages). So what I would do is check /var/cache/edb/virtuals and see what the listing for jdk actually is. IIrc, mine now reads virtual/jdk dev-java/sun-jdk dev-java/blackdown-jdk because I manually reversed sun-jdk and blackdown-jdk; otherwise everything that relied on virtual/jdk kept trying to install blackdown, which I don't want. And may I ask, when you say that you have sun-jdk unmasked, you mean both in package.unmask and in package.keywords, right? Because it not being unmasked in package.keywords (as well as disabling the hard mask in package.unmask) is the only reason I can think of that only the stable version is coming up (since clearly swig, for example, is recognizing that sun-jdk is the preferred virtual/jdk as opposed to all the other java jdks that are available, but does not recognize the unstable versions thereof). Anyway
Re: [gentoo-user] Why is dbus-0.60 conflicting with totem?
Alexander Skwar schreef: Hi! I tried to update world and failed: Calculating world dependencies . . .^H^H ...done! [blocks B ] =sys-apps/dbus-0.60 (is blocking media-video/totem-1.2.0-r2) That is because of the following new line in totem-1.2.0-r2.ebuild: nsplugin? ( =net-libs/gecko-sdk-1.7 =sys-apps/dbus-0.35 !=sys-apps/dbus-0.60 ) So when nsplugin USE flag is set, dbus-0.60 cannot be installed. In the changelog at http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/media-video/totem/ChangeLog I find: Adding dbus 0.60 mask as Cardoe is unmasking Aha. Who or what is that Cardoe thing? And why is that line added? Cardoe is a person; a dev in fact. Presumably the totem web plugin (which would allow you to play streaming video in your web browser using the Totem backend) is only compatible with dbus-0.35, not 0.60. I don't really know more than that, as 1) I found Totem far too unstable to use generally, so uninstalled it; 2) I use mplayerplug-in to display video in my browser(s), since if I found Totem unstable for regular use, I certainly wasn't going to attempt to use the web plugin, which could be expected to be even worse than Totem itself is. I would suggest disabling the nsplugin USE flag for Totem and using a different plugin-- xine has a plugin, mplayer has a plugin, I think realplayer has one, Quicktime can be installed with Wine, and there are a couple of standalone options, like plugger. I myself wouldn't want to use such an older version of Dbus just for Totem's stupid plugin (when there are so many others that most likely work better), but that's just my opinion. HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] k3b access rights
Michael Kintzios schreef: snip Second, for general use (video viewing, game playing, etc) what you most likely want is the users (note the s at the end) option, which allows any user to mount/unmount the drive, as opposed to just one: from man mount: user Allow an ordinary user to mount the file system. The name of the mounting user is written to mtab so that he can unmount the file system again. This option implies the options noexec, nosuid, and nodev (unless overridden by subsequent options, as in the option line user,exec,dev,suid). users Allow every user to mount and unmount the file system. This option implies the options noexec, nosuid, and nodev (unless overridden by subsequent options, as in the option line users,exec,dev,suid). So if I want a single user at-a-time to be able to mount the DVD drives I just enter user? From memory I think I had concluded that adding the uid was necessary for CDROMS and NTFS/VFAT fs partitions, otherwise it was asking for fs type, or was coming up with only root can do that type of errors. Need to try this again and make some notes. The problems that I have are probably two-fold. The generic one is that I am not sure I have the correct mount options in /etc/fstab and that I created the /mnt/cdrw, /mnt/cdrom1 etc. mountpoints with the correct access rights. What are the default mount options and /mnt/mountpoints access rights for DVD writer and DVDROM? Ditto for NTFS? Sorry, I don't use NTFS, and I only have one user (me)-- and I don't use /mnt/cdrom or /mnt/cdrw (or /mnt/ anything other than the self-created /mnt/iso for mounting loopback images)-- my DVD is mounted to /media/(cdrecorder) by udev (afaik it's udev that does it). I take it you don't use udev? Or are you just under the impression that you have to have /mnt/something (I had this problem for the first bit after I switched)? In general use, /mnt./blah is kinda deprecated. However, I do know that enabling writing to NTFS partitions in the kernel is not recommended, unless you meet very specific criteria (as the kernel driver can only overwrite a file of the exact same size to such a partition, making editing pre-existing files pretty much impossible; no idea about creating a new file). UID/GID is (kinda) necessary for VFAT partitions, only to deal with the possible ownership issues; if you specify the UID/GID of the expected owner, that UID/GID can/will have write privileges to the partition (automatically if UID, when specified if GID), which is useful for shared partitions across multiple distros or OSes and sometimes for multiple users on the same OS. But you may not need any given partition to have write privileges. If, for example, the partition is only full of music files that only need read privileges to play, which you'll almost always have when mounting a partition. But if you wanted to edit the ID2/3 tags of the music files, you would need write privileges. But how many users on your system are actually likely to be editing such tags-- given that said users could also destroy said files with a Windows virus if the virus targeted MP3s and the user had write privileges to the partition containing them? As the admin, you are responsible for knowing what accesses your users actually need, and balancing that against the dangers of giving them such access. It really depends on what your specific setup needs, which we cannot know. The specific one is that I tried to delete a folder from a re-writable CD: a)while I was browsing it in konqueror and b)using k3b, but it couldn't do it. I'll try again when I get home to see if it behaves as expected after I ensure that it has not been mounted. Um, hello, this is not WindowsXP. We do not packet-write (that means treat a CD as if it was a floppy and write to it directly from the file manager). You can (kinda) do this, if your kernel is set up to enable packet-writing, but honestly that functionality is quite unstable and I wouldn't use it even if I did like packet writing (which I do not and never have in the some 6 to 7 years since it was introduced). Basically what would need to happen in the real (Linux) world, without packet writing, is that a CD burning program would have to create a temp ISO of the files on the CDRW (which afaik it would have to be) without the folder that you intended to delete, erase the current contents of the CDRW and then rewrite the CDRW with the new ISO (which would essentially delete the folder). But I could be wrong, as I don't use -RW media anymore (and this is one of the reasons why). In any case, I'm not completely sure that your expectations are reasonable for the environment. Certainly expecting Konq to delete a folder on a CD is unlikely to happen (because the device must be mounted for Konq to see it, and the device is not going to be mounted read-write under any circumstances; this is why, afaik, the kernel only marks the
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - Help setting up eix!
Michael Sullivan schreef: I've been reading about eix, and as using emerge Ss takes forever, I decided to try eix. I emerged it and ran update-eix and tried to search for kde. Here's my output: camille ~ # update-eix Reading Portage settings .. Building database (/var/cache/eix) from scratch .. [0] /usr/portage/ (cache: cdb) Reading 100% [1] /usr/local/portage (cache: none) Reading 100% Applying masks .. Database contains 0 packages in 145 categories. camille ~ # eix -s kde Found 0 matches camille ~ # What am I doing wrong? I don't know, except for the fact that there's no packages in the eix database. But I don't see why that should be happening. This is the output you *should* be getting: eix kde * app-i18n/uim-kdehelper Available versions: ~0.1.0-r1 Installed: none Homepage:http://uim.freedesktop.org/Software/uim-kdehelper Description: Qt replacement of toolbar, system tray, applet and candidate window for UIM library. * app-pda/synce-kde Available versions: ~0.6.1 ~0.7.2 ~0.8.0 Installed: none Homepage:http://synce.sourceforge.net Description: Synchronize Windows CE devices with computers running GNU/Linux, like MS ActiveSync. - KDE System Tray utility (formerly app-pda/rapip) * dev-embedded/pikdev Available versions: 0.6.6a 0.7.1 0.7.1-r1 ~0.7.1-r2 Installed: none Homepage:http://pikdev.free.fr/ Description: Graphical IDE for PIC-based application development * dev-python/pykde Available versions: ~3.11.1 3.11.3 ~3.12_pre20051013 Installed: none Homepage:http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/pykde/ Description: set of Python bindings for the KDE libs * dev-util/kdevelop Available versions: 3.1.2 3.2.1-r1 ~3.2.2 ~3.2.3 ~3.2.3-r1 ~3.3.0 Installed: none Homepage:http://www.kdevelop.org Description: Integrated Development Enviroment for Unix, supporting KDE/Qt, C/C++ and a many other languages. * dev-util/kdesvn Available versions: ~0.6.2 ~0.7.1 Installed: none Homepage:http://www.alwins-world.de/programs/kdesvn/ Description: KDESvn is a frontend to the subversion vcs. * games-board/ggz-kde-client Available versions: ~0.0.9 Installed: none Homepage:http://ggz.sourceforge.net/ Description: The kde client for GGZ Gaming Zone * games-board/ggz-kde-games Available versions: ~0.0.9 Installed: none Homepage:http://ggz.sourceforge.net/ Description: These are the kde versions of the games made by GGZ Gaming Zone * kde-base/kdeprint Available versions: 3.4.1 3.4.2 3.4.3 3.5.0 Installed: none Homepage:http://www.kde.org/ Description: KDE printer queue/device manager * kde-base/kdegraphics Available versions: 3.3.2-r3 3.4.1-r1 ~3.4.1-r3 ~3.4.2-r2 ~3.4.3 3.4.3-r2 3.4.3-r3 ~3.5.0 ~3.5.0-r2 ~3.5.0-r3 ~3.5.0-r4 Installed: none Homepage:http://www.kde.org/ Description: KDE graphics-related apps * kde-base/kdepim-meta Available versions: 3.4.1 ~3.4.2 3.4.3 ~3.5.0 Installed: none Homepage:http://www.kde.org/ Description: kdepim - merge this to pull in all kdepim-derived packages * kde-base/kdesu Available versions: 3.4.1 3.5.0 Installed: 3.4.1 3.5.0 Homepage:http://www.kde.org/ Description: KDE: gui for su(1) snip [1] /usr/local/portage Found 96 matches The only thing I see is maybe you want to disable that cdb module, depending on which version of Portage you're using (the latest stable doesn't like it so much). But I don't think that would explain this, and honestly I can't think of any configuration or anything that you need to do with eix to get any ouput. Sorry. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - Help setting up eix!
Rumen Yotov schreef: On (06/01/06 23:51), Lares Moreau wrote: On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 20:01 -0600, Michael Sullivan wrote: Yes. Here was the output: camille ~ # update-eix Reading Portage settings .. Building database (/var/cache/eix) from scratch .. [0] /usr/portage/ (cache: cdb) Reading 100% [1] /usr/local/portage (cache: none) Reading 100% Applying masks .. Database contains 0 packages in 145 categories. NOTE 0 packages.. Permissions issue? -- Lares Moreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] | LRU: 400755 http://counter.li.org lares/irc.freenode.net | Gentoo x86 Arch Tester | ::0 Alberta, Canada Public Key: 0D46BB6E @ subkeys.pgp.net | Encrypted Mail Preferred Key fingerprint = 0CA3 E40D F897 7709 3628 C5D4 7D94 483E 0D46 BB6E Hi, Think the issue was solver, after a mail from Holly, no? Must remove/backup /etc/eixrc or comment the line enabling 'cdb' module. Currently it's using a 'cdb' as cache storage. But portage is *not* using 'cdb'. HTH.Rumen Oh, wait-- I was going to say that I didn't say that (I didn't really say anything, I thought), but in fact it turns out I did, in a roundabout way (and you helped me, Lares, by clarifying it so that I could solve my own eix problem). When you wrote your mail, I had eix working, but I had noticed earlier yesterday (before your mail and my reply) that all packages available were not being displayed-- most notably gentoo-sources packages, where I knew 2.6.14-r7 and 2.6.15 to be available, but they would not come up under an eix search, no matter what I did. I also noticed that update-eix was saying that it was using cdb, which I thought was weird because I thought I had disabled it. In fact, I had commented out the lines in /etc/portage/modules, but due to your mail, I realized that that only affected Portage, and that eix had its own setting to use cdb (in /etc/eixrc and ~/.eixrc). Once I deleted those, eix stopped using cdb to cache its entries, and the all current packages were shown. So I was right, in that the problem was cdb (I suppose that since I had a database before I started using cdb, it just wasn't getting further updated, but since you didn't have a database at all, it just wasn't getting populated), but you were the one who actually figured out how to disable it. Credit where credit is due-- thanks!! Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] package conflict on update
Trenton Adams schreef:
Oops, forgot to reply to everything.
On 1/6/06, Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Trenton Adams schreef:
On 1/5/06, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:32:20 -0700, Trenton Adams wrote:
something like
if_blocked_by('openmotif') ewarn You must unmerge
openmotif before proceeding
Yes, or as follows...
if_blocked_by('openmotif') auto_unmerge('openmotif') #
continue with merge which should automatically be merging
openmotif anyhow.
Absolutely not! I don't want portage removing something I may
be using at the time without my saying so.
Good point. Perhaps it should ask then?
Well, it does, by stopping and waiting for you to perform an action
and either restart the stopped process (if the action you took was
to unmerge the blocking package), or to forego the stopped process
entirely, if you choose not to remove the blocked package because
you want to keep it for whatever reason (it could happen).
You're assuming that unmerging the blocking package is *always* the
right solution for everyone at all times (in this case, it's not
really relevant, since motif-config will itself re-install
openmotif), but the point of Gentoo is that you are in control. If
I am in control, then I have to decide what I want done in each
particular situation that occurs, which is exactly what I have to
do with the current setup-- very obviously, since Portage will stop
until I make a decision and act on it. So fine, your new updated
Portage informs me there's a block, and says, I could do this to
solve it, shall I? I myself am going to say no, because I want
to know the nature of the block, and how Portage's proposed action
is going to affect the system that I have carefully customized to
my individual needs.
Yes, flexibility is GREAT. That's one reason I really like gentoo,
and linux in general. However, I also like simplicity, or should I
say, I like to have the choice. So, one could easily make gentoo
have auto-detect and handle features, while allowing configuration
changes that disable automatic behaviour. You could have individual
enable/disable options for each feature, as well as one global
feature than enables/disables all auto-detect features. Then you
could have include/excludes for each feature so that the global would
not override them.
So, the bottom line is this, one person says that things are
difficult because they need to be, in order to be flexible. But I
say that if things are truly flexible, then it should also be
possible to make them automatic, or simple. That's what I call
ULTIMATE flexiblity, which is what I mentioned in another post that I
made. When I originally started with gentoo linux, I read the part
about why gentoo linux came about. Basically it was all about doing
things the way you want. Well, I like the flexiblity, but I also
want the simplicity. :) Let us have the simplicity of RedHat, and
RPMs (waiting for flames), but with flexibility as well.
Well, if this is your opinion, I must then accept the burden of being
one of those members of the Linux community you mention
Trenton Adams schreef:
Yes, and I've noticed there's a big problem with the linux community
at large. People that know and understand linux have a lot of the
times not helped the open source intiative, in that they like
things to be difficult,
Although this is not strictly true I don't *like* things to be
difficult, /per se/ but I do tend to do things the hard way rather
than the easy way
because it makes them somehow seem smarter. In all reality, it
doesn't take a genius to use linux, just someone who likes to read a
whole lot.
I do like to read a whole lot (always have), and I don't so much care
how smart anyone thinks I am, but if I am in any way smart, I do want
that to be recognized, which is a different thing.
But if you leave out the rather insulting insinuation that such users
are not in fact smart, but ego-trippers who just have nothing to do but
read dry technical texts that no normal person would ever bother with,
I'll cop to the charge.
The thing is, I prefer things to be slightly more difficult because I
believe that people using advanced tools should have a clue about how
they work and how to use them properly.
As I have said before, and will likely say again in the future, I
believe that a policy of providing advanced technology, dumbed-down so
that it Just Works to the unwashed masses (let us say, my
boyfriend's grandmother, who is a very nice lady, or my aunt, or his
mother, who are of an age and about the same level of computer expertise
and interest-- which is to say, none, although my bf's mother has now
had a computer forced on her), is dangerously unwise.
We have seen the results of doing so in both large and small ways, yet
we persist. I believe that advanced technology should be sufficiently
difficult to use until such time
Re: [gentoo-user] ati-drivers can work with 2.6.15!
Iain Buchanan schreef: Hi all, Instead of a question this time, I have an answer! If you're trying to get ati-drivers (fglrx) to load with linux-2.6.15 its simple! (Given the error you get is undefined symbol: pm_register or something similar). The solution is to simply: when configuring your kernel, under Power management options (ACPI, APM) turn on Legacy Power Management API (PM_LEGACY). Then recompile the kernel (recompiling modules should not be necessary) and re-boot to this new kernel. Now, for me at least, ati-drivers-8.20.8 loads fine! HTH, Thanks, Iain, this made my upgrade to 2.6.15 go without a hitch. You saved me some time on the Rage3D forums (where I would have also found this information, but I didn't have to go there to look because you passed it on first). If you hadn't mentioned, I would probably have masked the kernel upgrades until a new ATI driver release. Appreciate the heads-up :-) . Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Bizarre etc/cfg-update problem
Hey ho, all-- (I think that) Ever since I downgraded Xorg from 6.8.99 back to 6.8.2-r6 a couple of days ago, I've had reports from both etc-update and cfg-update that there are 30 files needing to be updated (etc-update reports them as being in /usr/lib/X11/xkb sometimes, but not always). The problem is, these files do not exist, or rather are not found when I then run the relevant utility: * Regenerating GNU info directory index... * Processed 326 info files. * IMPORTANT: 3 config files in /etc need updating. * IMPORTANT: 30 config files in /usr/lib/X11/xkb need updating. * Type emerge --help config to learn how to update config files. za 01/07/06 13:58 za 01/07/06 14:07 motub - etc-update Scanning Configuration files... Automerging trivial changes in: filesystems Automerging trivial changes in: net.example The following is the list of files which need updating, each configuration file is followed by a list of possible replacement files. 1) /etc/conf.d/rc /etc/conf.d/._cfg_rc Please select a file to edit by entering the corresponding number. (don't use -3 or -5 if you're unsure what to do) (-1 to exit) (-3 to auto merge all remaining files) (-5 to auto-merge AND not use 'mv -i'): As you see, only three files (the files adjusted by the emerge -uaDtv world which this report completed) appear. The same thing happens with cfg-update: za 01/07/06 14:11 motub - emerge -pv easytag cfg-update 1.8.0 : Building checksum index... canceled! 30 config file updates found... Please run cfg-update -u to update your config files! These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild U ] media-sound/easytag-1.99.11 [1.99.10] +aac* +flac +mp3 +nls +vorbis 0 kB Total size of downloads: 0 kB za 01/07/06 14:12 motub - cfg-update -u All files have been updated, done... za 01/07/06 14:12 motub - emerge -pv easytag cfg-update 1.8.0 : Building checksum index... canceled! 30 config file updates found... Please run cfg-update -u to update your config files! These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild U ] media-sound/easytag-1.99.11 [1.99.10] +aac* +flac +mp3 +nls +vorbis 0 kB Total size of downloads: 0 kB The thing is, I cannot find the relevant files in the first place (which may itself be the problem): za 01/07/06 14:12 motub - la /usr/lib/X11/xkb totaal 968 drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 1120 jan 3 13:58 . drwxr-xr-x 9 root root776 jan 3 14:06 .. -r--r--r-- 1 root root 7448 jan 3 13:57 ._cfg_README.config -r--r--r-- 1 root root 23337 jan 3 13:57 ._cfg_README.enhancing -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 179416 jan 3 13:57 ._cfg_xkbcomp drwxr-xr-x 2 root root568 jan 3 13:58 compat -r--r--r-- 1 root root689 jan 3 13:57 compat.dir lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 jan 3 13:58 compiled - ../../../../var/lib/xkb drwxr-xr-x 5 root root584 apr 28 2005 geometry -r--r--r-- 1 root root 1965 jan 3 13:57 geometry.dir drwxr-xr-x 4 root root544 jan 3 13:58 keycodes -r--r--r-- 1 root root 2283 jan 3 13:57 keycodes.dir drwxr-xr-x 5 root root296 apr 28 2005 keymap -r--r--r-- 1 root root 8576 jan 3 13:57 keymap.dir -r--r--r-- 1 root root689 jun 3 2005 ._new-cfg_compat.dir -r--r--r-- 1 root root 7372 nov 14 18:10 ._new-cfg_README.config -r--r--r-- 1 root root 23258 nov 14 18:10 ._new-cfg_README.enhancing -r--r--r-- 1 root root 27683 jun 3 2005 ._new-cfg_symbols.dir -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 179480 nov 14 18:10 ._new-cfg_xkbcomp -r--r--r-- 1 root root729 jun 3 2005 ._old-cfg_compat.dir -r--r--r-- 1 root root 7448 nov 14 18:10 ._old-cfg_README.config -r--r--r-- 1 root root 23337 nov 14 18:10 ._old-cfg_README.enhancing -r--r--r-- 1 root root 31182 jun 3 2005 ._old-cfg_symbols.dir -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 179480 nov 14 18:10 ._old-cfg_xkbcomp -r--r--r-- 1 root root983 jan 3 13:57 README -r--r--r-- 1 root root 7372 nov 14 17:10 README.config -r--r--r-- 1 root root 23258 nov 14 17:10 README.enhancing drwxr-xr-x 2 root root512 jan 3 13:58 rules drwxr-xr-x 2 root root144 apr 28 2005 semantics drwxr-xr-x 12 root root 4264 jan 3 13:58 symbols -r--r--r-- 1 root root 27683 jan 3 13:57 symbols.dir drwxr-xr-x 2 root root296 apr 28 2005 types -r--r--r-- 1 root root463 jan 3 13:57 types.dir -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 179480 nov 14 17:10 xkbcomp I don't see 30 relevant files to be updated, so I don't even know what the update
Re: [gentoo-user] ati-drivers can work with 2.6.15!
Rafael Fernández López schreef: Iain Buchanan wrote: Hi all, Instead of a question this time, I have an answer! If you're trying to get ati-drivers (fglrx) to load with ernet parche de Microsoft linux-2.6.15 its simple! (Given the error you get is undefined symbol: pm_register or something similar). The solution is to simply: when configuring your kernel, under Power management options (ACPI, APM) turn on Legacy Power Management API (PM_LEGACY). Then recompile the kernel (recompiling modules should not be necessary) and re-boot to this new kernel. Now, for me at least, ati-drivers-8.20.8 loads fine! HTH, But they still don't run with xcompmgr, right ? I doubt it. ATI devs report that the team will not even work on support until xcompmgr becomes significantly more stable and closer to something like a final form, which I can understand, myself. Heck, even the nVidia drivers apparently can't support both xcompmgr and their own GLX component at the same time (you have to choose one or the other). Under those conditions, I can only consider it optional (since even if I had an nVidia card, if I had to choose between xcompmgr and glx, I would choose glx), and while it certainly sounds like a nice option (and I'm quite looking forward to it), I'm not particularly hurting for the lack of it. But we may see support proceed much faster once Xorg 7 is released (which I presume would include some kind of stable form of xcompmgr), since apparently ATI is going to a *monthly* release schedule (rather than every two months): http://www.rage3d.com/board/showpost.php?p=1334103544postcount=79 mtippett is the nick of Matthew Tippett, Engineering Manager for Linux Software Engineering at ATI Technologies, Inc. So if he says it publically like that, you can pretty much bank on it. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Irritating problem #2-- colordiff
Here's the kind of output I get from etc-update, for example: Showing differences between /etc/conf.d/rc and /etc/conf.d/._cfg_rc ESC[1;31m--- /etc/conf.d/rc 2005-12-22 10:42:50.0 +0100ESC[0;0m ESC[1;34m+++ /etc/conf.d/._cfg_rc 2006-01-07 05:56:06.0 +0100ESC[0;0m ESC[1;35m@@ -35,17 +35,23 @@ESC[0;0m ESC[0;0m ESC[0;0m ESC[0;0m RC_AUTO_INTERFACE=noESC[0;0m ESC[0;0m ESC[0;0m ESC[1;34m+# RC_DOWN_INTERFACE allows you to specify if RC will bring the interfaceESC[0;0m ESC[1;34m+# compeletly down when it stops. The default is yes, but there are someESC[0;0m ESC[1;34m+# instances where you may not want this to happen such as using Wake On LAN.ESC[0;0m ESC[1;34m+ESC[0;0m ESC[1;34m+RC_DOWN_INTERFACE=yesESC[0;0m ESC[1;34m+ESC[0;0m ESC[0;0m # RC_VOLUME_ORDER allows you to specify, or even remove the volume setupESC[0;0m ESC[0;0m # for various volume managers (MD, EVMS2, LVM, DM, etc). Note that they areESC[0;0m ESC[0;0m # stopped in reverse order.ESC[0;0m ESC[0;0m ESC[0;0m ESC[1;31m-RC_VERBOSE=noESC[0;0m ESC[1;34m+RC_VOLUME_ORDER=raid evms lvm dmESC[0;0m ESC[0;0m ESC[0;0m ESC[0;0m # RC_VERBOSE will make init scripts more verbose. Only networking scriptsESC[0;0m ESC[0;0m # really use this at this time, and this is useful for trouble shootingESC[0;0m ESC[0;0m # any issues you may have.ESC[0;0m ESC[0;0m ESC[0;0m ESC[1;31m-RC_VOLUME_ORDER=raid evms lvm dmESC[0;0m ESC[1;34m+RC_VERBOSE=noESC[0;0m ESC[0;0m ESC[0;0m ESC[0;0m # RC_BOOTLOG will generate a log of the boot messages shown on the console. ESC[0;0m ESC[0;0m # Useful for headless machines or debugging. You need to emerge the ESC[0;0m (END) Clearly it's working, but not. This is in gnome-terminal, but the term in use doesn't seem to make any difference, and this is worse than nothing at all in terms of readablility (made even worse since using colordiff is intended to /enhance/ readability). Colordiff is set in /etc/etc-update.conf as recommended in the Wiki-- diff_command=colordiff -uN %file1 %file2, which seems to be right insofar as colordiff is working; it seems to me that the problem is that the term is not recognizing/escaping the color codes as color codes, and I don't know where to begin to find out why. I'm using the most recent colordiff available eix colordiff * app-misc/colordiff Available versions: 1.0.3 1.0.4 1.0.5 1.0.5-r2 Installed: 1.0.5-r2 Homepage:http://colordiff.sourceforge.net/ Description: Colorizes output of diff Found 1 matches and the relevant bug on bgo was fixed ages ago http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16924 So I really have no clue, but I think it must be something I've done wrong. Does anybody have a clue what that might be? TIA, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bizarre etc/cfg-update problem
Eugene Rosenzweig schreef: Holly Bostick wrote: Hey ho, all-- (I think that) Ever since I downgraded Xorg from 6.8.99 back to 6.8.2-r6 a couple of days ago, I've had reports from both etc-update and cfg-update that there are 30 files needing to be updated (etc-update reports them as being in /usr/lib/X11/xkb sometimes, but not always). The problem is, these files do not exist, or rather are not found when I then run the relevant utility: snip Can anybody help me either fix this or fine-tune my quest for the misconfiguration that is causing this? T(hanks)I(n)A(dvance), Holly Indeed it seems strange. Both etc-update and emerge use the following to find the cfg files: find /usr/lib/X11/xkb -iname ._cfg_* This would be recursive so maybe the files you are after are somewhere below the listing you provide, you could run this command and see if it finds any more cfg files. Thanks, Eugene, indeed it does: # find /usr/lib/X11/xkb -iname ._cfg_* /usr/lib/X11/xkb/rules/._cfg_xorg.lst /usr/lib/X11/xkb/._cfg_xkbcomp /usr/lib/X11/xkb/compat/._cfg_misc /usr/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/pc/._cfg_fr-latin9 /usr/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/pc/._cfg_dvorak /usr/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/pc/._cfg_ge_la /usr/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/pc/._cfg_sapmi /usr/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/pc/._cfg_se_FI /usr/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/pc/._cfg_se_NO /usr/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/pc/._cfg_se_SE /usr/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/pc/._cfg_br /usr/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/pc/._cfg_de /usr/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/pc/._cfg_lt /usr/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/pc/._cfg_ro /usr/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/pc/._cfg_us /usr/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/._cfg_altwin /usr/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/._cfg_dvorak /usr/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/._cfg_sapmi /usr/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/._cfg_se_FI /usr/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/._cfg_se_NO /usr/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/._cfg_se_SE /usr/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/._cfg_lt_std /usr/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/._cfg_srvr_ctrl /usr/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/._cfg_de /usr/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/._cfg_lt /usr/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/._cfg_ro /usr/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/._cfg_us_intl /usr/lib/X11/xkb/._cfg_README.enhancing /usr/lib/X11/xkb/keycodes/._cfg_xfree86 /usr/lib/X11/xkb/._cfg_README.config now what I notice is that the two major directories involved also contain old-cfg and new-cfg files for the same configs, and that these old-cfg and new-cfg files were created on November 14th: la /usr/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/ totaal 1024 drwxr-xr-x 12 root root 4264 jan 3 13:58 . drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 1120 jan 3 13:58 .. -r--r--r-- 1 root root 3048 jan 3 13:57 al -r--r--r-- 1 root root 1323 nov 14 17:10 altwin -r--r--r-- 1 root root 7708 jan 3 13:57 am -r--r--r-- 1 root root 2588 jan 3 13:57 apple -r--r--r-- 1 root root 7478 jan 3 13:57 ar -r--r--r-- 1 root root 10299 jan 3 13:57 az -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4970 jan 3 13:57 be -r--r--r-- 1 root root 6323 jan 3 13:57 ben -r--r--r-- 1 root root 30781 jan 3 13:57 bg -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4561 jan 3 13:57 br -r--r--r-- 1 root root 2638 jan 3 13:57 bs -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4702 jan 3 13:57 by -r--r--r-- 1 root root 8150 jan 3 13:57 ca -r--r--r-- 1 root root 5149 jan 3 13:57 ca_enhanced -r--r--r-- 1 root root 1321 jan 3 13:57 ._cfg_altwin -r--r--r-- 1 root root 5975 jan 3 13:57 ._cfg_de -r--r--r-- 1 root root 14300 jan 3 13:57 ._cfg_dvorak -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4617 jan 3 13:57 ._cfg_lt -r--r--r-- 1 root root 2812 jan 3 13:57 ._cfg_lt_std -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4682 jan 3 13:57 ._cfg_ro -r--r--r-- 1 root root 8184 jan 3 13:57 ._cfg_sapmi -r--r--r-- 1 root root 208 jan 3 13:57 ._cfg_se_FI -r--r--r-- 1 root root 208 jan 3 13:57 ._cfg_se_NO -r--r--r-- 1 root root 207 jan 3 13:57 ._cfg_se_SE -r--r--r-- 1 root root 2852 jan 3 13:57 ._cfg_srvr_ctrl -r--r--r-- 1 root root 2254 jan 3 13:57 ._cfg_us_intl -r--r--r-- 1 root root 297 jan 3 13:57 compose -r--r--r-- 1 root root 1256 jan 3 13:57 ctrl -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4453 jan 3 13:57 cz -r--r--r-- 1 root root 538 jan 3 13:57 cz_qwerty -r--r--r-- 1 root root 17553 jan 3 13:57 czsk -r--r--r-- 1 root root 5976 nov 14 17:10 de -r--r--r-- 1 root root 2793 jan 3 13:57 de_CH -r--r--r-- 1 root root 3310 jan 3 13:57 dev drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 144 apr 28 2005 digital -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4590 jan 3 13:57 dk -r--r--r-- 1 root root 14302 nov 14 17:10 dvorak -r--r--r-- 1 root root 2973 jan 3 13:57 ee -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4197 jan 3 13:57 el -r--r--r-- 1 root root 2637 jan 3 13:57 en_US -r--r--r-- 1 root root 3413 jan 3 13:57 es -r--r--r-- 1 root root 5394 jan 3 13:57 fi -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4037 jan 3 13:57 fr -r--r--r-- 1 root root 1457 jan 3 13:57 fr_CH drwxr-xr-x 2 root root96 apr 28 2005 fujitsu -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4298 jan 3 13:57 gb -r--r--r-- 1 root root 2927 jan 3 13:57
Re: [gentoo-user] Bizarre etc/cfg-update problem
Abhay Kedia schreef: On Saturday 07 January 2006 20:47, Holly Bostick wrote: So from this I deduce that 1) xorg 6.8.99 was *really* broken/incomplete or did something radically different that etc-update and cfg-update cannot deal with, since these files were never updated or offered to update while I when I actually installed the package or at any time while I was running the package (it's not like I haven't emerged anything for the past two months); and etc-update and cfg-update cannot handle it because they are not supposed to do it. The directory has been config protected so even though they are finding the new config files they can't over write anything until the protection is removed. 2) these files are now irrelevant (since I have gone back to 6.8.2-r6) and can be deleted without penalty; and They are relevant but 6.8.2-r6 wants to install its own version of the files. OK, so after reading this several times, I see my (first) mistake was that 6.8.99 was not really under the auspices of 7.0 (Modular X), but now I (think I) see that it is, and this config protect is a kinda extraordinary measure until Modular X actually is released and makes it into the tree, at which time it will become subject to the ordinary Gentoo config management system, but until that time the config management is living in a sandbox where it cannot be affected by, nor affect, the stable config management system already in place. That's about the only way the above makes sense to me, so I hope that it's not completely contrary to reality :-) . 3) these files are what is confusing the update utilities, and they will snap back when these old-cfg and new-cfg files are deleted. True. Whew, at least I figured that much out :-D . Does that sound about right? Xorg 6.8.2-r6 seems to be working OK I have a feeling that you followed the Migrating to Modular X.org guide and uninstalled old version of xorg before installing the new version, thus deleting xkb files. No, no Guide, and in fact no intention of Migrating to Modular X in any way. My (mistaken) impression (but I was younger then) was that 6.8.99 was not yet modular X, so was (relatively) safe to upgrade to (or as safe as an ~arch install ever is); I was in a desperate mood that day, hoping that maybe this would fix some inconsistencies with my ATI driver, but that didn't work out, which is why I went back to stable. The upgrade to 6.8.99, as expected, installed the new version of these files. Now, that you've downgraded, the old versioned files are trying to install again but since the directory is protected and already contains 6.8.99 xkb files, etc-update cannot update the directory. You are not facing any problem because you are most probably not using xkb or in other words the keyboard layouts. If you've never used different keyboard layouts then you can comfortably delete the new-cfg files and expect to face nil problems. Don't I have to remove the folder from CONFIG_PROTECT? No, wait, I get it... you're saying that there's some kind of secret if in the config updaters that says that IF such modular X files exist in one of the protected directories, don't do anything, don't touch them, because that would break the invisible wall that is keeping Modular X separate from the rest of the system until Modular X has reached a point that it can be correctly integrated into the system (which is what the devs are working tirelessly to do). But OK, I'll delete the files and then see what happens. Glad to know that it won't trash me three ways from Sunday, anyway. I hope I made myself comprehendible. Please mind that English is not my first language :) The English is great, it's the content I have trouble with, but I'm catching up, I hope. Hopefully in 5 minutes I can repost with a [SOLVED] on the end. Thanks, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bizarre etc/cfg-update problem
Abhay Kedia schreef: You are not facing any problem because you are most probably not using xkb or in other words the keyboard layouts. If you've never used different keyboard layouts then you can comfortably delete the new-cfg files and expect to face nil problems. Not sure if I made a mistake or not; I deleted both the old-cfg and new-cfg files, and now this is what I get: za 01/07/06 16:09 motub - etc-update Scanning Configuration files... Exiting: Nothing left to do; exiting. :) but there are still ._config files in the directory: la /usr/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/ drwxr-xr-x 12 root root 3464 jan 7 18:38 . drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 864 jan 7 18:37 .. -r--r--r-- 1 root root 3048 jan 3 13:57 al -r--r--r-- 1 root root 1323 nov 14 17:10 altwin -r--r--r-- 1 root root 7708 jan 3 13:57 am -r--r--r-- 1 root root 2588 jan 3 13:57 apple -r--r--r-- 1 root root 7478 jan 3 13:57 ar -r--r--r-- 1 root root 10299 jan 3 13:57 az -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4970 jan 3 13:57 be -r--r--r-- 1 root root 6323 jan 3 13:57 ben -r--r--r-- 1 root root 30781 jan 3 13:57 bg -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4561 jan 3 13:57 br -r--r--r-- 1 root root 2638 jan 3 13:57 bs -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4702 jan 3 13:57 by -r--r--r-- 1 root root 8150 jan 3 13:57 ca -r--r--r-- 1 root root 5149 jan 3 13:57 ca_enhanced -r--r--r-- 1 root root 1321 jan 3 13:57 ._cfg_altwin -r--r--r-- 1 root root 5975 jan 3 13:57 ._cfg_de -r--r--r-- 1 root root 14300 jan 3 13:57 ._cfg_dvorak -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4617 jan 3 13:57 ._cfg_lt -r--r--r-- 1 root root 2812 jan 3 13:57 ._cfg_lt_std -r--r--r-- 1 root root 4682 jan 3 13:57 ._cfg_ro -r--r--r-- 1 root root 8184 jan 3 13:57 ._cfg_sapmi -r--r--r-- 1 root root 208 jan 3 13:57 ._cfg_se_FI -r--r--r-- 1 root root 208 jan 3 13:57 ._cfg_se_NO -r--r--r-- 1 root root 207 jan 3 13:57 ._cfg_se_SE -r--r--r-- 1 root root 2852 jan 3 13:57 ._cfg_srvr_ctrl -r--r--r-- 1 root root 2254 jan 3 13:57 ._cfg_us_intl for example. So etc-update is still not finding the files it needs to update; I think I've missed a step. What might that be.? Does something need to be re-initialized? Some cache updated? I'm getting a bit confused here. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Irritating problem #2-- colordiff
Mariusz Pękala schreef: On 2006-01-07 15:53:39 +0100 (Sat, Jan), Holly Bostick wrote: Here's the kind of output I get from etc-update, for example: [...] ESC[1;34m+RC_VERBOSE=noESC[0;0m [...] Clearly it's working, but not. This is in gnome-terminal, but the term in use doesn't seem to make any difference, and this is worse than nothing at all in terms of readablility (made even worse since using colordiff is intended to /enhance/ readability). Colordiff is set in /etc/etc-update.conf as recommended in the Wiki-- diff_command=colordiff -uN %file1 %file2, which seems to be right insofar as colordiff is working; it seems to me that the problem is that the term is not recognizing/escaping the color codes as color codes, and I don't know where to begin to find out why. I'm using the most recent colordiff available [...] Does anybody have a clue what that might be? What do you see in your terminal if you type this: ? printf '\033[1;34m+RC_VERBOSE=no\033[0;0m' If this is ok, then you know that your terminal is ok, and there is something with colordiff... za 01/07/06 18:49 Saffron: He's my husband. Mal: Well who in the damn galaxy isn't? ~ motub - printf '\033[1;34m+RC_VERBOSE=no\033[0;0m' +RC_VERBOSE=no ==this is blue And in fact, normally my terminals do display color correctly; in my prompt above, the date is pink, the fortune is white, the cwd is green, and the actual prompt is [EMAIL PROTECTED], then yellow again. Do you have any alias or function around colordiff? No. I don't actually use colordiff standalone, so no reason. I did, however, have an (unnecessary) alias around etc-update, which I have now removed, allowing it to rely solely on its sudo entry. But since I don't have any updates to diff until I get my other little problem fixed, But... sudo uses a sub-shell, as I have heard many times. Is it possible that colordiff just doesn't work *in sudo*? I admit, I never thought of that. This is why sudo gets on my nerves, convenient as it is; that stupid subshell seems to lack all kinds of basic (bash) shell functionality that I expect. Anyway, thanks for the ideas, I suspect that you've pointed me in the right direction. I'm sure I should be able to generate some updates shortly; I won't do all of them so that I can test various configurations and see if any of them work. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ls date was: Bizarre etc/cfg-update problem
Willie Wong schreef: On Sat, Jan 07, 2006 at 04:17:11PM +0100, Penguin Lover Holly Bostick squawked: (how do you get ls to also include the @#$%#$ *year*??) Sorry, couldn't help with the rest of your problem, but I think it is assumed that ls will display the year only for files older than a year old. Quite clever, in my opinion. OK, I see what you mean-- or maybe I don't: la ~/docs/ totaal 3714 drwxrwxr-x 15 motub somegroup1136 okt 28 00:56 . drwxrwxr-x 16 motub somegroup1720 nov 21 02:46 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 motub somegroup 1292758 okt 18 20:17 autosc102.exe drwxr-xr-x 6 motub somegroup 192 okt 30 15:25 books -r-xr-xr-x 1 motub somegroup2778 jan 27 2003 Buddies.xml drwxrwxr-x 2 motub somegroup1216 jan 6 22:42 cmds -rw-rw-r-- 1 motub somegroup 581 jan 31 2005 computeruniverse_rma.txt drwxrwxr-x 5 motub somegroup3192 nov 21 16:55 config -rw-rw-r-- 1 motub somegroup3904 nov 3 2004 depclean_data.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 motub somegroup 204 sep 27 17:40 general_cvs.txt drwxrwxr-x 3 motub somegroup1360 sep 6 23:23 hardware_man drwxrwxr-x 10 motub somegroup 528 apr 26 2005 +hb_pers drwxrwxr-x 6 motub somegroup3448 apr 26 2005 infodocs -rw-rw-r-- 1 motub somegroup 56 nov 3 2004 install_notes.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 motub somegroup 99957 okt 18 20:17 Manual.pdf drwxrwxr-x 2 motub somegroup 240 sep 4 17:45 misc drwxrwxr-x 3 motub somegroup1320 dec 9 21:46 miscpost drwxrwxr-x 8 motub somegroup5808 mei 29 2005 misctech -rw-r--r-- 1 motub somegroup1661 jul 13 13:52 more_what works.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 motub somegroup1410 jul 2 2005 more_what works.txt~ drwxrwxr-x 2 motub somegroup3360 okt 19 01:38 my_scripts -rw-r--r-- 1 motub somegroup 262 okt 4 17:03 new_wine_install_notes.txt drwxrwxr-x 2 motub somegroup2312 dec 24 15:42 output -rw-rw-r-- 1 motub somegroup5351 nov 6 2004 readme-queen.txt -rw-rw-r-- 1 motub somegroup 50744 nov 6 2004 README-scummvm.txt drwxr-xr-- 2 motub somegroup 120 okt 18 20:41 registry drwx-- 2 motub somegroup 112 jun 15 2005 .Trash-motub -rw-r--r-- 1 motub somegroup 75612 jun 16 2005 what_works.html I see that many files that are more than a year old then are followed by the year, but some are not, and some which are less than a year old are followed by a year. -rw-r--r-- 1 motub somegroup1661 jul 13 13:52 more_what works.txt (this must have been created in 2005) but this file is less than a year old and is still fully dated: -rw-rw-r-- 1 motub somegroup 581 jan 31 2005 computeruniverse_rma.txt But even leaving aside the inconsistencies (only for the purposes of this discussion), this is not the behaviour I expect or in fact desire. I normally expect the year to be displayed whenever the current calendar year is different from that associated with the file-- thus, if the file was created in 2006, I would not expect the year to be shown, but if it was created in 2005, I would expect the year to be shown, whether or not the current date was one year or more from the month and day that the file was created. Rather than go off on a rant, I will ask mildly: is there any way to change the default behaviour to more reflect my expected behaviour? Not so much asking you to tell me how to do it as asking if those of you who have already read man ls whether there is a solution to be found when I have the time to read it myself. Thanks, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] firefox -- too weird!
Abhay Kedia schreef: On Sunday 08 January 2006 00:05, maxim wexler wrote: I did this twice, so it's no mere fluke. I rushed over to Yahoo to post this and the window's still OK. So, thankfully it's not permanent ;) Anybody care to hazard a guess as to what's happening here. Can anybody duplicate it? I went to that site and yup, it resizes the window. You can refuse to allow that behaviour (I'm not going to test the site right now, but I have Firefox to disallow sites to resize windows, so I would expect that that shouldn't happen to me unless firefox is broken): In 1.5 (the settings are also available in previous versions, but in Deer Park the dialog is to allow, rather than previously where it was to disallow the following behaviours): Edit== Preferences== Content== JavaScript Advanced Settings button uncheck if checked in Deer Park to disallow, check if unchecked in pre-1.5 versions to disallow sites to: Move or resize windows Raise or lower windows Disable or replace context menus Hide the status bar Change status bar text Hope knowing this is helpful to you. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] K3B - cdrado without root privileges
Daniel Pielmeier schreef: Hello, i recently installed K3B. When i start the application a window pops up and says something like cdrdao will run without root privileges, use k3b-setup to solve this problem. The problem is on my system there is no such setup-tool. I have Gnome installed but no KDE, is the K3B-setup only available when i use KDE. Yes. Or rather, that tool is only available when you enable the kde USE flag when emerging K3b. So if you installed with it disabled, you don't have it. But you don't need it, for two reasons: 1) that message is in error. I get it all the time (every time I run K3b, which I also compiled without the kde USE flag), and K3b works just fine. The problem seems to be a combination of a) changes to cdrdao, which formerly required the sticky bit set to run as a non root user. This is no longer the case, but b) k3b which was supposed to have been updated to suppress this message, seems to have not been so repaired, so it's living in the past. 2) If you really do need for whatever reason to set the sticky bit on cdrdao, you are perfectly capable of opening a root filemanager, selecting the cdrdao binary and re-setting the permissions manually. So relax. Everything is, afaik, all right. HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] package conflict on update
Trenton Adams schreef: Interesting points, but On 1/7/06, Abhay Kedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 07 January 2006 22:00, Trenton Adams wrote: I like both that my car just works, and I don't have to know how the pistons go up and down, but that I can also look under the hood if I so desire. Thinking on the wrong lines again and what you want can never happen, at least with Gentoo; because Gentoo does not give you a working car at all. It just gives you spare parts (ebuilds packages), books to read (documentation) and a tool box (portage). Then it tells you to go ahead and make your own car. It totally depends on you whether you want to make it a blazing fast Ferrari or a classy Limo. To achieve anything of that sorts you *HAVE TO* know how the pistons go up and down. If you don't read and just put together the pieces in a random order then you might make a moving car but it will not be a working one. Moral of the story? To have full control, you gotta know how things work inside the engine :) Well actually, it could happen. If I had a menu of packages to be installed during some sort of automated install process, then I'm still customizing my system the way I want. So once again, you absolutely *CAN* have gentoo flexibility with easy of install Just a quick question: Isn't creating a menu of packages to be installed part of the install process? If not, because you did not create this menu yourself, then you are not customizing your system the way you want, but rather choosing the most suitable for you amongst a list of pre-defined-- thus, by definition, limiting-- options. If you did create the menu of packages yourself, and it then is (as it must be) considered part of the installation process, then isn't the installation process no longer easy, by your definition of easy? Not quite following the logic here. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ls date was: Bizarre etc/cfg-update problem [Date issue SOLVED]
Mariusz Pękala schreef: On 2006-01-07 20:01:25 +0100 (Sat, Jan), Holly Bostick wrote: Willie Wong schreef: On Sat, Jan 07, 2006 at 04:17:11PM +0100, Penguin Lover Holly Bostick squawked: (how do you get ls to also include the @#$%#$ *year*??) Sorry, couldn't help with the rest of your problem, but I think it is assumed that ls will display the year only for files older than a year old. Quite clever, in my opinion. snip But even leaving aside the inconsistencies (only for the purposes of this discussion), this is not the behaviour I expect or in fact desire. I normally expect the year to be displayed whenever the current calendar year is different from that associated with the file snip Rather than go off on a rant, I will ask mildly: is there any way to change the default behaviour to more reflect my expected behaviour? info ls, section * Formatting file timestamps:: A-HA The 'Info' command, which I also always forget, not least because I don't know how to navigate info files. But this caused me to take another whack at it, and I got along well enough to find a mostly acceptable way to reform the la alias to the following: alias la=ls --color -lAGbh --time-style='+%b %d %Y %H:%M' which produces zo 01/08/06 02:25 ~/docs motub - la totaal 3,7M -rw-r--r-- 1 motub 1,3M okt 18 2005 20:17 autosc102.exe drwxr-xr-x 6 motub 192 okt 30 2005 15:25 books -r-xr-xr-x 1 motub 2,8K jan 27 2003 01:05 Buddies.xml drwxrwxr-x 2 motub 1,2K jan 06 2006 22:42 cmds -rw-rw-r-- 1 motub 581 jan 31 2005 15:36 computeruniverse_rma.txt drwxrwxr-x 5 motub 3,2K nov 21 2005 16:55 config -rw-rw-r-- 1 motub 3,9K nov 03 2004 19:18 depclean_data.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 motub 204 sep 27 2005 17:40 general_cvs.txt drwxrwxr-x 3 motub 1,4K sep 06 2005 23:23 hardware_man drwxrwxr-x 10 motub 528 apr 26 2005 01:30 +hb_pers drwxrwxr-x 6 motub 3,4K apr 26 2005 01:29 infodocs -rw-rw-r-- 1 motub 56 nov 03 2004 15:47 install_notes.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 motub 98K okt 18 2005 20:17 Manual.pdf drwxrwxr-x 2 motub 240 sep 04 2005 17:45 misc drwxrwxr-x 3 motub 1,3K dec 09 2005 21:46 miscpost drwxrwxr-x 8 motub 5,7K mei 29 2005 16:32 misctech -rw-r--r-- 1 motub 1,7K jul 13 2005 13:52 more_what\ works.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 motub 1,4K jul 02 2005 02:24 more_what\ works.txt~ drwxrwxr-x 2 motub 3,3K okt 19 2005 01:38 my_scripts -rw-r--r-- 1 motub 262 okt 04 2005 17:03 new_wine_install_notes.txt -rwxrwxr-x 1 motub 2,6K jul 01 2004 20:28 nfo.nfo drwxrwxr-x 2 motub 2,3K dec 24 2005 15:42 output -rw-rw-r-- 1 motub 5,3K nov 06 2004 02:48 readme-queen.txt -rw-rw-r-- 1 motub 50K nov 06 2004 02:48 README-scummvm.txt drwxr-xr-- 2 motub 120 okt 18 2005 20:41 registry drwx-- 2 motub 112 jun 15 2005 14:55 .Trash-motub -rw-r--r-- 1 motub 74K jun 16 2005 17:24 what_works.html which is much more informative for me with 1) the group names removed and 2) a more comprehensive and comprehensible date and size display. Don't think I really need the inodes (if that's what they are, I couldn't quite deciper info ls that far) before the owner name, but I can live with that. The output doesn't even wrap in T-bird anymore, it's so compact :D . Anyway, not quite what I asked for, but it will definitely do. And I kinda learned how to use info. Thanks for all the help! Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bizarre etc/cfg-update problem [SOLVED]
Abhay Kedia schreef: On Saturday 07 January 2006 23:24, Holly Bostick wrote: What might that be.? Does something need to be re-initialized? Some cache updated? I'm getting a bit confused here. afaik etc-update does not reinitialize anything. All it looks for are files that have been named in a specific way. It diffs the original file with its update and then asks you whether to overwrite or not. You can delete the ._cfg files or let them be. They will not cause you any problems. OK, thanks-- I will add as a final note that I also needed to run cfg-update -i to get cfg-update to recalculate its checksum index, after which it also stopped complaining. So I'll consider this solved (even though I didn't delete the ._cfg files, but then how often do I look in /usr/lib/X11/symbols?) and stop worrying about it. Thanks! Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Irritating problem #2-- colordiff [Probably SOLVED]
John Myers schreef: On Saturday 07 January 2006 10:37, Holly Bostick wrote: No. I don't actually use colordiff standalone, so no reason. I did, however, have an (unnecessary) alias around etc-update, which I have now removed, allowing it to rely solely on its sudo entry. But since I don't have any updates to diff until I get my other little problem fixed, Try changing your 'pager' variable in etc-update.conf from 'less' to 'less -R'. Thank you John. During the course my various arguments with ~/.bashrc today (after reading this), I also happened across a note in man tsportageview (don't ask, whole 'nother story) which said: -s, --use-less Filter the output through less -Rh0 (good colour support) So it seems pretty clear that the -R switch is essential for color support. I adjusted my pager command to include it and think that it's likely to work properly now. But of course I never would have noticed that the switch in man tsportageview confirmed that -R is really needed for color support in less (despite having skimmed man less), if you hadn't said so first. So thank you very much. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bizarre etc/cfg-update problem [SOLVED]
Holly Bostick schreef: Abhay Kedia schreef: afaik etc-update does not reinitialize anything. All it looks for are files that have been named in a specific way. It diffs the original file with its update and then asks you whether to overwrite or not. You can delete the ._cfg files or let them be. They will not cause you any problems. OK, thanks-- I will add as a final note that I also needed to run cfg-update -i to get cfg-update to recalculate its checksum index, after which it also stopped complaining. So I'll consider this solved (even though I didn't delete the ._cfg files, but then how often do I look in /usr/lib/X11/symbols?) and stop worrying about it. Final final note-- I just did an emerge, and suddenly etc-update had something it wanted to update... the 30 files. cfg-update still didn't know anything about them, so I just did a -5 (yes, I know, I *never* do that, this is really the very first time I have) and *finally* replaced them (most likely with themselves since I upgraded then downgraded to the same version of Xorg I had originally upgraded from). /Now/ this issue is finally done. What a relief! Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Irritating problem #2-- colordiff [SOLVED confirmed]
Holly Bostick schreef: John Myers schreef: Try changing your 'pager' variable in etc-update.conf from 'less' to 'less -R'. I adjusted my pager command to include it and think that it's likely to work properly now. Confirmed that it does in fact work properly now, etc-update displays the diffs in color. Thank you again! Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ls date was: Bizarre etc/cfg-update problem [Date issue SOLVED]
Richard Fish schreef: On 1/7/06, Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't think I really need the inodes (if that's what they are, I That is link count. For a regular file, it tells how many hard links exist to the file. For a directory, it tells how many files are in that directory +2, since . and .. count as links. -Richard Oh, thanks. They *are* useful then (not that everything isn't useful, but I guess I mean to me), so I'll eye them with more respect in the future. :-) Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kde3.4.3 with arts on amd64
Marc Schlienger schreef: Hi, I've installed kde3.4.3 with arts on my amd64 machine. Alsa is working fine. But arts works only partially. All notification sound doesn't work. Also I don't get sound when logging in. But, for example, amarok works with the arts driver. Is this a known bug? What can I do? Regards Marc Is aRTs set to use ALSA? kcontrol (KDE Control Center)= Sound and Multimedia= Sound System= Hardware Tab = Select the Audio device drop-down (choose 'Alsa'). Secondly, you do have system sounds turned on, yes? Assuming that the backend is properly configured, in order to have sounds in KDE you need the following settings in kcontrol: Sound and Multimedia= Sound System= Sound System= General Tab= Enable the Sound System must be checked (system sounds are played through aRTS, and that is the sound system this checkbox enables); Sound and Multimedia= System Notifications. When the Event Source drop-down in this dialog is set to KDE System Notifications, you need to make sure that: 1) valid sounds are associated with the various events (if the test of the sound doesn't play, well, it's not going to play in KDE either), and 2) The Quick Control, when the Apply to all events checkbox is checked, is not set to Turn Off all Sounds. Hope this helps, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kde3.4.3 with arts on amd64
Marc Schlienger schreef: Am Sonntag, 8. Januar 2006 13:53 schrieb Holly Bostick: Marc Schlienger schreef: Hi, I've installed kde3.4.3 with arts on my amd64 machine. Alsa is working fine. But arts works only partially. All notification sound doesn't work. Also I don't get sound when logging in. But, for example, amarok works with the arts driver. Is this a known bug? What can I do? Regards Marc Is aRTs set to use ALSA? Yes. It should also work with automatic detection. But it doesn't work in either cases. Secondly, you do have system sounds turned on, yes? This is also set. And when I push the Test-Sound-Button here I get no sound. Sound and Multimedia= System Notifications. This is also all set to correct values. If it was that simple there will be no problem. Well, how were we to know that? We don't know you, we don't know if you know how to set up KDE properly, and you didn't tell us that you had already done so. A user new to KDE would not necessarily find that all so 'simple' as you do. So. Your settings are correct, and even though you don't have [StartProgress] Arts Init=true KNotify Init=true Use Arts=true ... it's not the root of the problem. Why not? Because fixing it didn't make a difference? And if that isn't the root of the problem, it sounds like you have an idea what perhaps is? Shall we guess randomly? OK... have you checked KMix to make certain that it's unmuted and not taking over the mixer settings from ALSA? Do you have any other unusual conditions/setup relating to sound on your system? Multiple sound cards, recording setup? Do you use any unusual compiler flags that might have caused arts to *seem* to compile all right, but in fact break? How have you installed KDE? Split ebuilds? Monolithic build? If split ebuilds, what parts of KDE did you compile, and did you compile them all with arts support? Any further information would be helpful. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] libGL.la error + ATI's libGL.la empty (rss-glx compile error)
Marco Calviani schreef: During compiling i'm getting an libGL.la error: libtool: link: `/usr/lib/libGL.la' is not a valid libtool archive *Normally*, I would say that *whenever* you see the error blah is not a valid libtool archive, the first thing to do is run # fix_libtool_files.sh (located in your /sbin folder) Then try your emerge again-- *BUT* /this/ The libGL.la driver that is given by the ati drivers is empty (/usr/lib/opengl/ati/lib/libGL.la) gives me pause, especially since my folder looks like this la /usr/lib/opengl/ati/lib/ totaal 761K -rw-r--r-- 1 root 756 jan 07 2006 02:30 libGL.la lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 12 jan 07 2006 02:30 libGL.so - libGL.so.1.2 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 12 jan 07 2006 02:30 libGL.so.1 - libGL.so.1.2 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 756K jan 07 2006 02:30 libGL.so.1.2 and yours apparently does not. Do the drivers actually work on your machine under other circumstances? I would tend to suspect they aren't correctly installed. Did you install them from Portage, with the opengl USE flag enabled? HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] change the fonts of gtk application
Marco Calviani schreef: Hi list, i'm using the KDE desktop environment without gnome support. However i'm using gtk application as, for example, firefox. How is it possible to change the font types and maybe the sizes of gtk applications? Best regards, MC Yes; you can either: 1. emerge gtk-chtheme, a small utility to specify the GTK theme and fonts; and/or 2. emerge gtk-engines-qt, which will allow you to tell GTK apps-- via the KDE control center-- to use a KDE theme and font. Hope this helps, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE Tray
Mike Yarmish schreef: Hi all, I'm using KDE but with some gtk applications like stardict and liferea. Is it possible to change their tray' icons to works like icons of a native KDE applications? For example, now I'm using tranparent taskbar and all native icons are transparent but gtk icons just use window background color. Thanks in advance for your suggestions. No., afaik You are in fact lucky (though you don't know it) that KDE and GNOME have the level of interoperability that they have developed-- meaning, you're lucky you can even see the GNOME application tray icons in KDE, and vice-versa. Even this much has taken some years to achieve. Perhaps the moon (GTK tray icons being of transparent background) will become available when both KDE and GNOME complete their migration to the freedesktop.org standard (but don't hold your breath waiting :-( ) Sorry not to have better news. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list problems
Jamie Dobbs schreef: Are there issues with the mailing lists at the moment? I have made a few posts in the last 2-3 hours that have yet to show up on the lists. I've also noticed considerably less traffic on the lists in recent days, could this be due to a general email slow down due to an increase in spam email traffic? From your later mails, you seem to be the same Jamie who has asked several times about a problem with xorg-X11 and an inability to compile gnome-control-center. If that is the case, you are not having any problem; we've gotten the 3 repeat mails about this issue (I at least don't know how to solve it though), but the reason the messages are not coming back to you is because you used your GMail account. Gmail discards the return of your mail from the list, because it already has a copy of this mail (in your 'Sent' folder). You will never get mails from yourself appearing in ML threads via Gmail for this reason (until someone replies to them, which no one has in this case). So there is no problem, you've just encountered a GMail 'feature'. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrade + gcc dilemma
Bryce Verdier schreef: I have a problem (which i'm getting around by using a link). But if i could really fix, i'd be a lot happier. One thing that's preventing me from doing this though is that for some reason i don't have revdep-rebuild like is recommended below. What package do i install to get it? bryce equery b /usr/bin/revdep-rebuild [ Searching for file(s) /usr/bin/revdep-rebuild in *... ] app-portage/gentoolkit-0.2.2_pre1 (/usr/bin/revdep-rebuild) emerge gentoolkit, thus. HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo installer suggestions
Tom Martin schreef: On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 02:09:14 -0700 Trenton Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those developing the graphical gentoo installer... Might I suggest a search box at the bottom of the extra packages screen, to be able to search for packages? Probably a good idea to drop a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and post to their mailing list. You might also be interested in reading this week's Gentoo Weekly Newsletter, which contains a short review/usage test of the installer, with screenshots: 5. Gentoo in the press == Asteria (December 2005) --- Jon Hood, a developer working for Asteria Solutions Group, Inc.[18] takes the current beta version of the Gentoo Installer[19] for a test drive around the block, and appears quite satisfied[20] with the result, calls it a wonderful step in the right direction for the Gentoo distribution, and is particularly delighted because people aren't supposed to actually USE testing software and have it WORK, but that's exactly what happened. His review includes a pretty little slideshow[21] documenting every step of the installation process when done via the GUI installer, very interesting for everybody who's never seen it at work. 18. http://www.asteriasgi.com 19. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/installer/ 20. http://www2.asteriasgi.com/review/ 21. http://www2.asteriasgi.com/review/slideshow.html 10. GWN subscription information To subscribe to the Gentoo Weekly Newsletter, send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe to the Gentoo Weekly Newsletter, send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the email address you are subscribed under. === 11. Other languages === The Gentoo Weekly Newsletter is also available in the following languages: * Danish[68] * Dutch[69] * English[70] * German[71] * French[72] * Korean[73] * Japanese[74] * Italian[75] * Polish[76] * Portuguese (Brazil)[77] * Portuguese (Portugal)[78] * Russian[79] * Spanish[80] * Turkish[81] 68. http://www.gentoo.org/news/da/gwn/gwn.xml 69. http://www.gentoo.org/news/nl/gwn/gwn.xml 70. http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/gwn.xml 71. http://www.gentoo.org/news/de/gwn/gwn.xml 72. http://www.gentoo.org/news/fr/gwn/gwn.xml 73. http://www.gentoo.org/news/ko/gwn/gwn.xml 74. http://www.gentoo.org/news/ja/gwn/gwn.xml 75. http://www.gentoo.org/news/it/gwn/gwn.xml 76. http://www.gentoo.org/news/pl/gwn/gwn.xml 77. http://www.gentoo.org/news/pt_br/gwn/gwn.xml 78. http://www.gentoo.org/news/pt/gwn/gwn.xml 79. http://www.gentoo.org/news/ru/gwn/gwn.xml 80. http://www.gentoo.org/news/es/gwn/gwn.xml 81. http://www.gentoo.org/news/tr/gwn/gwn.xm Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-x11 and gnome (long, thinking out loud)
David Meyer schreef: Has anyone been able to emerge both of these? If I emerge xorg-x11 then gnome, the gnome emerge dies with an error compiling pango: /usr/include/pango-1.0/pango/pangoxft-render.h:95: error: parse error before XftGlyphSpec keyboard-drawing.c: In function `xkb_state_notify_event_filter': keyboard-drawing.c:1481: warning: implicit declaration of function `memset' make[2]: *** [keyboard-drawing.o] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/control-center-2.10.2/work/control-center-2.10.2/libkbdraw' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/control-center-2.10.2/work/control-center-2.10.2' make: *** [all] Error 2 !!! ERROR: gnome-base/control-center-2.10.2 failed. !!! Function gnome2_src_compile, Line 48, Exitcode 2 !!! compile failure Well, I have the unstable version of gnome-light installed (2.12.2), and my Control Center installed and works just fine (even in fvwm-crystal, which is my default WM). Now what seems to be the problem is either pango or a dependency of pango which is causing the control center to fail. So let's look at pango and see how far we get. Pango has no relevant USE flags (only debug and doc) so that can't be it (unless you're for some reason using the debug flag, which I assume you are not).. Looking at the status of pango on packages.gentoo.org, I can see that pango 1.10.2 is marked stable for both x86 and amd64 (which Jamie said he's using, you haven't named your arch), so it seems likely that that is the version you have installed (but feel free to post an 'emerge -pv pango' to confirm/check that). Looking at pango 1.10.2 on www.gentoo-portage.com, I see that that version of pango requires: Runtime Dependencies pango-1.10.2 = dev-libs/glib - 2.5.7 = media-libs/fontconfig - 1.0.1 = media-libs/freetype - 2 x11-libs/cairo - 0.5.2 x11-libs/libX11 x11-libs/libXrender x11-libs/libXt virtual/x11 virtual/xft I in fact have pango-1.10.2 installed * x11-libs/pango Available versions: 1.4.1-r1 1.8.1 1.8.1-r1 1.8.2 1.10.1 1.10.2 Installed: 1.10.2 Homepage:http://www.pango.org/ Description: Text rendering and layout library but what's weird is that two of the stated dependencies of this package are hard-masked (and I don't have them installed): x11-libs/libXrender * x11-libs/libXrender Available versions: [M]0.9.0.2 Installed: none Homepage:http://xorg.freedesktop.org/ Description: X.Org Xrender library x11-libs/libXt * x11-libs/libXt Available versions: [M]1.0.0 Installed: none Homepage:http://xorg.freedesktop.org/ Description: X.Org Xt library So that does seem like an area in which pango might be problematic, especially when an older version of GNOME is being compiled against it (2.10.2 does count as an older version, since the GNOME backend has been going through a lot of revision lately). But this doesn't seem to be getting us anywhere, or at least nowhere that I can go, so let's look at that XftGlyphSpec, and the keyboard-related libs, since that is specifically where the failure is occurring. Again, libXft is hard-masked, and I don't have it (despite it being a dependency of something I do have installed, fvwm): * x11-libs/libXft Available versions: [M]2.1.8.2 Installed: none Homepage:http://xorg.freedesktop.org/ Description: X.Org Xft library Runtime Dependencies libXft-2.1.8.2 = media-libs/fontconfig - 2.2 media-libs/freetype = sys-apps/man - 1.6b-r2 ! x11-base/xorg-x11 - 6.9 x11-libs/libX11 x11-libs/libXext x11-libs/libXrender x11-proto/xproto Given my recent issues with Modular X and the xkb files, the fact that you are having problems with xkb files and a program that depends on X, and the title of this thread I have to wonder what version of X you are running. Are you by chance running Xorg 6.8.99 or in fact a version of the hard-masked 7.0? Yes, this is definitely related to how you've compiled X (whatever version); this thread http://mail.nl.linux.org/xchat-discuss/2002-08/msg00015.html indicates a similar problem if X is not compiled with XFT support, which is the conclusion I was about to come to via this roundabout path; since clearly I have some version of XFT libs installed, but no masked packages installed to provide it, it must be provided by X or one of its dependencies. So here are my X USE flags: emerge -pv xorg-x11 cfg-update 1.8.0 : No new packages have been emerged, checksum index OK... These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ]
Re: [gentoo-user] PORTDIR_OVERLAY
Beau E. Cox schreef: Hi - I'm working on a series of ebuilds for the more esoteric CPAN modules that I use. In the Gentoo Developer Handbook there is a statement about PORTDIR_OVERLAY: In that directory, you must use the same structure (and categories) as in /usr/portage. OK. But I really want to make a new category, i.e. 'cpan'; ( tried it, doesn't work ). Is there a way to 'fake out' portage into using a new category without breaking everything? Question #1-- what's wrong with dev-perl, where all the other modules are (and then naming the modules cpan-whatever, I suppose)? Question # 2-- have you looked at g-cpan? app-portage/g-cpan Available versions: 0.13.01 0.13.02 Installed: none Homepage:http://dev.gentoo.org/~mcummings/ Description: g-cpan: generate and install CPAN modules using portage HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] strange updates conflicts
Catalin Trifu schreef: Hi, emerge -pvDu shows this: Calculating world dependencies ...done! [blocks B ] dev-php/PEAR-Archive_Tar (is blocking dev-php/PEAR-PEAR-1.3.6-r2) [blocks B ] dev-php/PEAR-Console_Getopt (is blocking dev-php/PEAR-PEAR-1.3.6-r2) [blocks B ] dev-php/PEAR-XML_RPC (is blocking dev-php/PEAR-PEAR-1.3.6-r2) [blocks B ] dev-php/PEAR-PEAR-1.3.6-r2 (is blocking dev-php/PEAR-PEAR-1.3.6-r2) If this is not strage (the last line at least) then I don't know what is :) Any ideas how to solve it ? Catalin If you look at the dependencies of PEAR-PEAR-1.3.6-r2, you will see that they are reversed from the dependencies of 1.3.5; (from www.gentoo-portage.com) Runtime Dependencies PEAR-PEAR-1.3.6-r2 ! dev-lang/php - cgi ! dev-lang/php - dev-lang/php ! dev-php/mod_php - ! dev-php/PEAR-PEAR - 1.3.6-r2 ! dev-php/PEAR - Archive_Tar ! dev-php/PEAR - Console_Getopt ! dev-php/PEAR - XML_RPC PEAR-PEAR-1.3.5 dev-lang/php = dev-php/PEAR-Archive_Tar - 1.1 = dev-php/PEAR-Console_Getopt - 1.2 = dev-php/PEAR-XML_RPC - 1.0.4 virtual/php The reason for this can be found in the ChangeLog 09 Jan 2006; Sebastian Bergmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] PEAR-PEAR-1.3.6-r2.ebuild: Block packages that this package bundles. So the moduleblocks are blocked because they will be installed by PEAR-PEAR-1.3.6-r2 The last line is not strange at all-- you perhaps missed the line in the blocker. What I see in this output dev-php/PEAR-PEAR-1.3.6-r2 (is blocking dev-php/PEAR-PEAR-1.3.6-r2) is saying that some version of PEAR-PEAR less than 1.3.6-r2 is blocking the installation of 1.3.6-r2. According (again) to the Changelog: 09 Jan 2006; Luca Longinotti [EMAIL PROTECTED] files/pear.conf, PEAR-PEAR-1.3.6-r2.ebuild: Change pear.conf to auto-sobstitute the php binary's path, plus some other cosmetical fixes. Fix pear USE flag requirement, not really needed. Jan 2006; Sebastian Bergmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] +files/pear.conf, PEAR-PEAR-1.3.6-r2.ebuild: Install /etc/pear.conf. There are some serious changes in this package that require a clean installation, as if the package was never installed. But you know the drill; remove blocking packages, try your emerge again. Usually this works itself out, because working itself out is Portage's main job. No bugs on b.g.o (yet) to indicate the process is failing in this case. HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] A New Linux Way
Neil Bothwick schreef: On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:21:23 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote: I think once we've got to the stage of UK (and AU) vs US spelling, I can invoke Godwin's Law[1] hereby ending the discussion completely and immediately ;) [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law [quote] It is considered poor form to arbitrarily raise such a comparison with the motive of ending the thread. There is a widely recognized codicil that any such deliberate invocation of Godwin's Law will be unsuccessful. [/quote] Ooh, Neil, you're such a pedant! Gives me a shiver just listening to you. LOL Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] remove suse, install gentoo
Anthony Roy schreef: I replaced SUSE with Gentoo on my server a few months back. I installed Gentoo from Suse, so that the server stayed up and running whilst I installed and configured everything. I did the install on a separate partition, and once everything was configured and any data copied over, I booted up into Gentoo properly. This way, I could mount the old Suse partition to have access to my old configuration files, and fix any problems I was having. So basically, if you have space and a spare partition/drive, I would install side by side until everything is working OK before binning Suse. Yes, that's what I did as well (installed Gentoo from within a running SuSE install), but I've left my SuSE install as a fallback in the (increasingly unlikely) event that I bork Gentoo so badly that I can't boot it at all (and that the problems are more severe than can be easily fixed by just booting a LiveCD and fixing a couple of lines in a config file, which is the most typical situation). May I also point out a very useful SuSE feature that made this even easier; if you boot from the SuSE install disk when you have a currently-installed SuSE, you can choose to Install to another directory. Basically this *moves* your SuSE install to another partition or drive, without doing anything else to it. So when I went to install Gentoo next to SuSE, I was running SuSE on a temp 20GB HDD (temp because I had only installed SuSE because I completely broke Gentoo during The Great PAM Debacle, and it was really just about as unfixable-- by me-- as Gentoo is ever likely to get, but I had no particular intention or desire to keep SuSE on the system; I just needed to run something while I reorganized to reinstall Gentoo took a year, iirc), but intended to install Gentoo (and SuSE) to my newly-bought 80GB HDD (and dump the 20 GB drive). So I used that SuSE feature to move the current installation to the 80GB drive, and after testing, removed the junk drive. So then I had SuSE on the 80GB, and was able to go through the regular Alternative Install as normal, installing Gentoo to other partitions of the same drive. SuSE is still in my GRUB menu and bootable, but honestly, I never boot into it, and in fact I mainly mount the partition in order to use the space on it to back stuff up temporarily. But if I really needed to, I could boot it, the kernel is still in /boot, and there's no reason there should be a problem doing so (since I do all the backing up to /usr/local, where it shouldn't bother anything if I needed to actually boot SuSE). HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Creating DVD-menus from pictures
Daniel Pielmeier schreef: Thank you for your suggestions, i know the article and so i know qdvdauthor. I don't know if qdvdauthor is capable of creating a animated menu from a series of pictures. My picture source is a image i downscaled to the size of 720x1000. I have manually extracted pictures from this one with the size of 720*576, increasing the offset in x-axis pixel by pixel. The animated menu should play these pictures in a row sliding from one side to the other and back repeatedly. By the way is it possible to automate the extraction of the smaller pictures, because it is a lot of work doing it manually with the gimp. I tried it manually just to find out if i could get an mpg-file out of it, but for the whole thing i have to do this 380 times. Or are there easier possibilities to create such a sliding menu. I hope you all understand what i mean, my english is not the best and it is very difficult for me to explain it. Thank you in advance. You might want to look at this thread on the forums: Howto author AVI-DVD with menus using Linux only ! http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-117709.html I don't myself do menus, but they talk about menu creation a lot in that thread (and it's 25 pages long, so surely there's likely to be something for you somewhere, if the Creating the menus section of the first post doesn't cover your needs). HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] PowerPC - cannot boot from CD.
Anthony Roy schreef: Hi MT, 1) Insert the CD and wait for it to mount it (an icon will appear on the desktop). Done, and can browse CD in the Finder just fine. 2) Click on your little apple icon (top left of the screen), select 'System Preferences' 3) Select 'Start-up Disk', wait for the menu to populate with bootable drives, click on it to select it, and then hit 'Reboot'. The CD doesn't appear on the list. Only OSX, OSZ 9 and network folder... Thanks for the help so far... Well, I'm not a Mac user (for a very long time now), but this sounds as if the CD is for some reason not bootable. How did you burn it? Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - ipkungfu
Michael Sullivan schreef: I'm trying to install ipkungfoo on my server box. I followed the instructions in the README file. When I went to start it, it gave me a string of errors, that I'm not sure how to fix: bullet ipkungfu # ipkungfu Checking configuration... FATAL: Module ip_tables not found. iptables v1.3.4: can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who? (do you need to insmod?) Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. ipkungfu can't create new chains or the script was interrupted previously! Flushing iptables rulesets... FATAL: Module ip_tables not found. iptables v1.3.4: can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who? (do you need to insmod?) Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. Clearing old chains and tables... cat: /proc/net/ip_tables_names: No such file or directory Your kernel lacks LOG support required by this script. Aborting. Any clues? It sounds to me like it's a kernel module thing, but what would a kernel module have to do with a firewall? The Linux firewall (iptables) *is* a kernel module. Meaning that it has to be enabled in the kernel, and it doesn't sound like it is. In my (extremely limited) experience (I use Firestarter to control iptables and its rules), it is best to compile iptables and the various filters (basically all of them) as modules into the kernel rather than statically. Certainly for Firestarter, and it sounds like for ipkungfu as well, this is preferable, so that the utility can grab and load the modules it needs on the fly. HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] BOINC and https
Statux schreef: Unmerge the BOINC from portage and download/manually install it from the site. The version in portage is very old and for some reason, it hasn't been updated. I've been wondering about this issue myself-- my bf runs BOINC (and in fact is a tester thereof) under Windows, and he's asked me to run it as well (for that Linux perspective). I have no objection, but I was somewhat concerned by that old version in Portage. I haven't had time to try to figure out what to do about it (submit a bug, I suppose), but it's kinda left me hanging. I know I can perfectly well install the current version from the site, but I really don't want this program to be unmanaged by Portage (I don't so much like having loose apps; it's a thing), and I know better (since I live with a tester) than to install the version in Portage, because I have a sense of just how old it is and how very unlikely it is to work; there have been a lot of changes under the hood to BOINC lately. Which is why I find the situation so odd-- how is it that the maintainer has missed the very active development that's been going on?-- and I tend to be a bit more hesitant to mix into noticeably odd situations. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] BOINC and https
Paul Varner schreef: On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 23:26 +0100, Holly Bostick wrote: Statux schreef: Unmerge the BOINC from portage and download/manually install it from the site. The version in portage is very old and for some reason, it hasn't been updated. snip Which is why I find the situation so odd-- how is it that the maintainer has missed the very active development that's been going on? Actually it looks like it is being actively maintained. However, the latest version in portage is in package.mask. Below is the entry: # Marcus D. Hanwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] (05 Dec 2005) # New version - initial testing =sci-misc/boinc-5.2.14 Thanks for the heads-up. Now I feel better :-) . Don't know if I want to unmask it just this minute, but at least I *can*. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] slow boot after kernel upgrade
Richard Fish schreef: On 1/11/06, Iain Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 14:27 +0100, Uwe Klosa wrote: Or you can try 2.6.15-suspend2. ? What exactly do you mean? Is there a suspend2-sources version up to 2.6.15? Only if you emerge --sync. :- Indeed eix suspend2 * sys-kernel/suspend2-sources Available versions: ~2.6.13 ~2.6.13-r1 ~2.6.13-r2 ~2.6.13-r3 2.6.13-r4 ~2.6.13-r5 ~2.6.14 ~2.6.14-r4 ~2.6.14-r5 ~2.6.14-r6 2.6.14-r7 ~2.6.14-r8 [M]2.6.14-r9 ~2.6.14-r10 ~2.6.15 ~2.6.15-r1 Installed: none Homepage:http://dev.gentoo.org/~dsd/genpatches http://www.suspend2.net Description: Software Suspend 2 + Gentoo patchset sources -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Strangeness with KDE 3.4
Shawn Singh schreef: Hey all, I recently rebuilt my Gentoo box, but have had a few problems that I've not been able to figure out: 2. Only 1 user shows up in KDE, even though I have 2 users for the system. What does this mean? Are you saying that one of your users doesn't show up in the KDM click my little image to set me as the user about to log in screen (but the other one does)? Or something else? Is the user valid? Can the user log in via either typing their name in the Username box in KDM, or by using the button to go to a console login and logging in from there? If so, then the issue is likely with KDM just not having settings for that user, or the user id is out of the range that KDM shows by default, or that that user is hidden in KDM, the way root is by default. I'd check out the KDE Control Center= System Administration= Login Manager= Administrator Mode= Users tab and see if something rings a bell there. If the user is in fact not valid (can't log in at all) then of course the problem is likely not with KDE-- and if you mean something else by only one user shows up, even though I have two users for the system, then you'd have to tell me/us what precisely that is, as I at least cannot even guess :-) . HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] after update, eth0 won't work
Neil Bothwick schreef: Some idea as to what you updated would be helpful. What does genlop --date tuesday show? (emerge genlop if not present) If unfamiliar with genlop, the correct format for the command Neil probably intends is genlop --list --date 01/10/2006 (at least that's the only way I could get it to work) :-) Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Strangeness with KDE 3.4
Shawn Singh schreef: Thanks Holly. The user can login from the console. The user's icon doesn't show in the list of users. Come to think of it, neither does my user show in the list. I can key in my username and password to authenticate, so I suspect (that since the other user can login from the console) she'll be able to do likewise I guess the correct question to have asked is why won't my user's show up in the list of users? Have you looked in On 1/12/06, Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the KDE Control Center= System Administration= Login Manager= Administrator Mode= Users tab ? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O
Dale wrote: Well, I can't even get Mozilla to open any more. I even created a new user from scratch and it still will not start. I downloaded a new snapshot and am about to start a new install. I've never seen someone so eager to reinstall for so little. Honestly Mozilla won't start, so you're reinstalling the entire OS? How... Windows-like. I don't even know where to start to fix this one. First thing you might want to do is killall -9 mozilla-bin I have often found that if Moz (or Firefox) crashes, the process is still running, and therefore new instances won't open. Look in kdesysguard (or whatever the KDE System Monitor is called), or top, and you might see some 5 instances of mozilla-bin are already running (invisibly). Kill those, and Mozilla may well start. Whether your problem will be solved is another question, but we'll come to that, if not. HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O
Dale wrote: On Friday 13 January 2006 05:58, Holly Bostick wrote: Kill those, and Mozilla may well start. Whether your problem will be solved is another question, but we'll come to that, if not. HTH, Holly That would make sense. I killed the processes that were running and still get this: Oy, I see it now. The problem is here [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # su dale When you su, the X server is refusing to allow the user (dale) to connect to the running X server (which is owned by root). Now the solution for this is something that I normally do in the other direction (to allow root to connect to the user's X server); and while I'm sure it will work in reverse, I myself wouldn't suggest it since I don't necessarily want to impinge on user privilege separation if the base user in question is root. So what I would say is firstly why are you running as root and su-ing to a user, rather than running as a user and su-ing to root, since there's no reason whatsoever to do it this way (it's certainly not more secure, in fact, much less so afaics). Secondly, does Mozilla open as the user logged in (whether that's root or dale) But anyway, what you need to do, iirc, is to copy ~/.Xauthority from the logged-in user's HOME folder to the folder of the user who is the target of su-- normally root, so this would mean copying from Dale's home to /root... but you're running as root, and I just don't like the idea of copying .Xauthority from the /root folder to dale's HOME. So I would suggest running as a user and copying the file from dale's home to /root, after which root should not receive this error (if in fact su-ing to root and running Mozilla does in fact generate this error, which it may very well not). HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kde new user login icons missing
Shawn Singh schreef: I note that on my system the range for UIDs that won't show up is UID 1000 and UID 65000. If your users had a UID inside of that range it might show up... I'm not sure b/c on my system they are w/i that range and I don't see an icon for them, but they can key in their credentials to authenticate. They aren't by any chance explicitly hidden? In the KDE Control Center, System Administration, Login Manager, Administrator Mode, Users tab, there is a big list with checkboxes for all the users. What is kinda counter-intuitive is that this is not the list of users *shown* in KDM, but the users who will be hidden if their checkbox is checked. So if you perhaps checked these users in an attempt to unhide them, you have in fact hidden them from the KDM screen, afaik, not being a KDM user under any circumstances, but I do have a minimal KDE installed, and I've looked at the Control Center a number of times (I did try KDM once or twice). I'd also suggest checking whether icons and the like are properly set (on the same tab). Anyway, hth, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] mozilla firefox 1.5 and gnome
Trenton Adams schreef: Hi everyone, I'm just curious about something. I installed mozilla-firefox-bin, and I got what I *thought* was the gnome open/save dialog. And I absolutely I can't stand that thing. So, I decided to compile mozilla-firefox for myself, as I have -gnome in my use flags. Well for some reason, I still have that open/save dialog. So, is that a gnome open/save dialog, or is it something else? Yes, as far as I know, it is (though I myself do have GNOME installed). Firefox depends on gtk: (from www.gentoo-portage.com ; the compile-it-yourself version used for clarity, since even the bin has to be originally compiled by someone): Runtime Dependencies mozilla-firefox-1.5-r9 |app-arch/unzip |app-arch/zip |dev-libs/expat |= dev-libs/glib - 2.8.2 |= dev-libs/libIDL - 0.8.0 |= media-libs/jpeg - 6b |= media-libs/libmng - 1.0.0 |= media-libs/libpng - 1.2.1 |= sys-libs/zlib - 1.1.4 |= www-client/mozilla-launcher - 1.42 |= www-client/mozilla-launcher - 1.39 |! x11-base/xorg-x11 - 6.7.0-r2 |= x11-libs/cairo - 1.0.0 === x11-libs/gtk+ - 2.8.6 |x11-libs/libXmu |x11-libs/libXmu |x11-libs/libXrender |x11-libs/libXrender |x11-libs/libXt |x11-libs/libXt | = x11-libs/pango - 1.10.1 |gnome = gnome-base/gnome-vfs - 2.3.5 |virtual/x11 |virtual/x11 |java virtual/jre Firefox is a GTK application, so it uses the GTK toolkit (as opposed to the QT toolkit, which KDE uses). GNOME is a GTK-based DE (as opposed to KDE which is QT-based). So the reason why the open/save dialogs are the same is because they use the same resources (GTK settings, many of which can be set in GNOME). I can't say if the extra features that I have because I have GNOME installed are present in your open/save dialog (bookmarked folders, for example). Is there going to be a way of NOT making it the standard open/save dialog when firefox 1.5 gets unmasked? Masking or unmasking is not going to change the source code, which depends on GTK. Only upstream can recode the program with a different toolkit. And that seems unlikely to happen, since it hasn't happened yet (and if the toolset was going to change, it probably would have before 1.0, not suddenly now when the release is finally stable enough to be picking up steam fast in the popularity stakes). Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] problem with firefox + netscape-flash
Giulio schreef: Hi, I compiled firefox 1.0.7-r4 with this options: +debug +gnome +ipv6 -java -mozcalendar -mozdevelop -moznoxft -mozsvg +truetype -xinerama +xprint then I emerged netscape-flash but when I find a website with flash, firefox is blocked by the plugins and keep loading the page without stopping. It only happens with my compiled version. I checked with the binary version and there's no problem at all, so... it's my fault. how can I solve this problem? Perhaps recompile firefox *without* the debug USE flag? Do you actually need debug symbols compiled into the application? They often cause errors for normal users, which is why the flag is generally not enabled. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O
Dale schreef: I'll be happy if I can get it to open and let me save my email and bookmarks. You don't need to open Mozilla to save your email and bookmarks. They are in your profile folder: bookmarks.html (in ~/.mozilla/profile_name/random_string.xlt/bookmarks.html) is your bookmarks file and your mail is in well, I admit I don't quite know the exact path, because I am 1) a Thunderbird user (so my mail would be in ~/.thunderbird rather than ~/.mozilla, except that I) 2) put my mail in a specific folder rather than the default. But look in your ~/.mozilla/profile_name/random_string.xlt/ folder and see if there isn't a folder in there called Mail, which contains a folder named for your pop3 server. What's in there is your mail. Just copy the whole folder somewhere, and when you get Mozilla working again (or switch to Firefox and Thunderbird, if you like), you can either drop the files right back in the new profile folder created (bookmarks and mail), or import them (mail), or set the mail program to look in the new location for mail rather than the default. Believe me, this is why I still use Mozilla-based products; I have the same mail and bookmarks that I had over 5 years ago, before I: 1) switched from Netscape to Mozilla 2) carried the hard drive on which the mail and other data was contained across the ocean in a carry-on; 3) switched from Windows to Linux (dual-boot, so the Mozilla profile folders were shared between both OSes) 4) switched from Mozilla to Phoenix 5) dumped Windows 6) switched from Phoenix to Firebird to Firefox, and from MozMail to Thunderbird. The Mozilla applications are *extremely* interoperable, and your personal files are very easy to manage. I back mine up all the time (since it's just the one folder with mail and some loose files in my profile). So really, you don't have to solve this first to retrieve that data. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O
Dale schreef: On Friday 13 January 2006 17:38, Willie Wong wrote: From what you sent me, it doesn't look like mozilla even finished loading all the libraries. Can you post emerge --info and emerge -pv mozilla? Looking at the trace, I just picked a random file not found to see what that file was on my system: equery belongs /usr/lib/mozilla/libXp.so.6 [ Searching for file(s) /usr/lib/mozilla/libXp.so.6 in *... ] So I don't have it (ok, admittedly I don't have Mozilla either, but I do have Firefox, so) za 01/14/06 01:55 motub - locate libXp.so.6 /usr/lib/libXp.so.6 /usr/lib/libXp.so.6.2 za 01/14/06 01:55 motub - equery belongs /usr/lib/libXp.so.6 [ Searching for file(s) /usr/lib/libXp.so.6 in *... ] x11-base/xorg-x11-6.8.2-r6 (/usr/lib/libXp.so.6 - libXp.so.6.2) H perhaps an X problem? Looking at the other files that are not being found, they sure look a lot like X files as well (no pun intended): libXinerama.so.1, O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) libXp.so.6, O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) libXxf86vm.so.1, O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) libXxf86dga.so.1, O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) libXxf86misc.so.1, O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) and so on. I mean, honestly, look at the path below: [pid 6829] open(/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libXxf86misc.so.1, O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) I cannot imagine that there is any valid configuration that puts libXxf86 anything in /usr/lib/mozilla/*plugins*, of all places. I don't want to speculate on how this might have happened, but if I was you, I would 1) unmerge Mozilla completely (don't worry, your profile is in your ~/folder, so none of your personal settings or mail will be lost); 2) delete all /usr/lib/Mozilla folders 3) re-emerge X.org (yes I know, it takes forever, but clearly something is very seriously borked if Mozilla thinks that the X libs are in its own install folders, since the only one who would likely have told it that is X itself) 4) re-emerge Mozilla. 5) pray. HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Deer Park instead of FireFox
Sven Köhler schreef: Hi, i just installed mozilla-firefox-1.5-r9. So when i start it, it says hooray, you've got Deer Park Alpha 2 installed! Thank you, for helping us testing. So what is Deer Park? What's the difference to a normal FireFox 1.5? Or the main question is: Why does that gentoo-ebuild install Deer Park, and not just plain FireFox? Thanks Sven Deer Park is the codename for Firefox 1.5 while it was in development. According to this thread http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-2934098-highlight-.html#2931694 on the forums, the reason that Firefox you install under Gentoo is not allowed to be called Firefox is that only official builds from Mozilla.org may use the --official_branding configuration flag that names the titlebars and whatnot. Builds you (or the dev team) built from source are not official, so therefore may not use this ./configure flag. However, you are free to copy the ebuild to your overlay, add the flag to the ebuild, and then recompile it. Instructions can be found in the thread. As far as I know, the application built is the final, but it appears that the release was released early since rc3 was so stable. Maybe a few typos slipped through. I certainly don't remember seeing such a message when I started Firefox 1.5 for the first time, but maybe that's because it was an upgrade or something. HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] mozilla firefox 1.5 and gnome
Trenton Adams schreef: The old version could disable gnome, but 1.5 can't. Perhaps it's a firefox 1.5 ebuild limitation? I hope that's what it is, because I can't stand gnome. No, it has nothing to do with the ebuild, it's a choice of the Mozilla.org developers. But perhaps you missed Edwin Kapauni's post, linking you to a thread on the forums where they tell you how to change the dialog to either the old one, or even the KDE one. For ease of searching, here it is again: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-2934098-highlight-.html#2931694 Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] mozilla firefox 1.5 and gnome
Trenton Adams schreef: On 1/14/06, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/14/06, Trenton Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The old version could disable gnome, but 1.5 can't. Perhaps it's a firefox 1.5 ebuild limitation? I hope that's what it is, because I can't stand gnome. False. carcharias rjf # ldd /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin | grep gnome carcharias rjf # emerge -pv mozilla-firefox These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ] www-client/mozilla-firefox-1.5-r9 USE=java -debug -gnome -ipv6 -mozdevelop -xinerama -xprint 0 kB If you already have gnome installed, gnome won't show up unless you go --tree, will it? Either way, you can take a look in the ebuild file for firefox 1.5, and there's no reference to gnome. No checking of the gnome useflag or anything like that. 1.0.7 has it though. The appearance of USE flags (which is what we're talking about) is unrelated to whether or not you have the package installed already-- a USE flag does not appear or disappear based on whether you have the relevant package installed. In fact, the USE flag controls to great degree whether you install the relevant dependency or not (i.e., if K3b optionally depends on KDE, then enabling the kde USE flag will install additional, optional KDE support programs. But since K3b requires kdelibs and kdebase to run at all, these hard dependencies are not controlled by the USE flag). In any case: emerge -pv mozilla-firefox gnome-light These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ] www-client/mozilla-firefox-1.5-r9 USE=gnome java xprint -debug -ipv6 -mozdevelop -xinerama 0 kB [ebuild R ] gnome-base/gnome-light-2.12.0 0 kB As you see, I do have GNOME installed, and the gnome USE flag does still appear in the Firefox prospective emerge output. | Runtime Dependencies | mozilla-firefox-1.5-r9 | | gnome = gnome-base/gnome-vfs - 2.3.5 | Title: gnome-vfs | Description: Gnome Virtual Filesystem So enabling the gnome USE flag adds a runtime dependency on the GNOME virtual file system. Which sounds an awful lot like something that might affect dialogs. However, since there were a lot of complaints about the old dialog, I strongly doubt that disabling this flag would change the dialogs terribly significantly, except that you wouldn't have the GNOME extras that I mentioned before. It's quite likely that even the naked new dialog is a lot like the current GNOME dialog. And again, the likely reason that there is no reference to GNOME in the ebuild is because the references to GNOME integration and compatibility are *in the source code*, because the *Mozilla developers chose* this dialog *as the default* (but not the only) choice of dialog. That is their good right, just as it is your good right to change that if you so desire (since that is apparently quite possible to do). Ebuilds don't do anything but compile the code as given, with some slight modification to work within the Gentoo system (as opposed to the RedHat system or the SuSE system). Ebuilds certainly don't change things as integral to the operation of the program as the format and type of file dialogs. I suppose you could trawl through the source and see where this is set and then write an ebuild to make the choice of file dialog type a configure option-- maybe. If it's already a configure option. Which I doubt. But you could look. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] netscape-flash doesn't work with firefox 1.5
Iain Buchanan schreef: Hi, (up late I see :) It's only 1:20. Not all that late (but it will be in about a half an hour) On Mon, 2006-01-16 at 00:46 +0100, Holly Bostick wrote: the symlink is already there... Hope this helps somewhat (at least you know it can work) kind of :) it _was_ working once apon a time... I have the same version of flash also... what version of firefox are you running? 1.5-r9 (compiled, not -bin). Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I unsubscribe?
Markus Döbele schreef: What do I have to do to unsubscribe this mailinglist? I tried everthing that the page tells me todo. I sent en empty mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why do you not give even one example at the page how it should look like? And why is there not a field where I can enter my mailadress and then simply click Subscribe or Unsubscribe ? Perhaps the page has not been updated; the list address seems to now be gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org, so *maybe* the unsubscribe address is now [EMAIL PROTECTED] You did try to unsubscribe from the same email address that you subscribed from, yes? Anyway, it's just an idea (since I've never tried to unsubscribe :-) ). HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Error compiling Kde-Graphics 3.4.3-r3
Thiago Lüttig schreef: Hi, i´m trying to compile the kde-graphics-3.4.3-r3 but it can´t find the libungif package. When I emerge that, the portage says it´s deprecated, and recently, simply doesn´t find it. How to fix this ?? Yes, libungif was replaced by giflib recently. Everyone who's advised to re-emerge imlib was on the right track, because imlib2 is what's compiled against libungif, but you don't have giflib at all, so the dependencies are not being recompiled, so of course it's not helping. You might want to have a look at http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83238 In any case, what you most likely want to do is 1) unmerge libungif 2) emerge --oneshot giflib 3) emerge --oneshot imlib2 4) re-emerge kdegraphics Or follow the various instructions in the bug . HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] mozilla firefox 1.5 and gnome
Trenton Adams schreef: On 1/15/06, Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trenton Adams schreef: On 1/14/06, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gnome carcharias rjf # emerge -pv mozilla-firefox These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ] www-client/mozilla-firefox-1.5-r9 USE=java -debug -gnome -ipv6 -mozdevelop -xinerama -xprint 0 kB The appearance of USE flags (which is what we're talking about) is unrelated to whether or not you have the package installed already snip Oh, I get it. the thing that confused me was that he put the USE=, so I thought he was showing me what use flags he had set, not the output of the emerge command. Now I see he was showing the output of the emerge command and adding USE=. Either that, or he's using a newer version of emerge that outputs USE= for him. Yes, he probably is using the unstable version of Portage; mine does this as well if I use the -v (--verbose) switch (I just went fully ~x86 a couple of days ago): emerge -pv mozilla-firefox portage These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ] www-client/mozilla-firefox-1.5-r9 USE=gnome java xprint -debug -ipv6 -mozdevelop -xinerama 0 kB [ebuild R ] sys-apps/portage-2.1_pre3-r1 USE=-build -doc 0 kB It's a new Portage feature. Not sure if I like it, but it's not important enough for me to get worked up about, really. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] alsa-utils + gnome
habutre . schreef: Hi guys! My problem it's following: I've a AC97/I82801 sound device building as a built-in on my kernel. My sound work a fun, but I can't store the sound mixer's without a alsa-utils, then all time that i wanna hear a good music, i did should change my volume controls. Then i installed a alsa-utils in my PC, but when i installed this package by emerge, my sound don't work. Any error appear, any exception occour, but the sound don't go out. The equalizer it's work, only the sound don't go out OK, I'm very sorry to say I'm having a difficult time understanding this. So let me first ask if what I've figured out is what you're actually saying: 1. Your sound device is AC97/I82801, and you're using the kernel ALSA drivers to run it, but you did not have (at the time) any of the additional packages installed (such as alsa-utils). 2. Sound worked correctly, but mixer levels were not stored on shutdown or restored on startup (because you didn't have alsa-utils installed, which provides a script to do this). 3. You then installed alsa-utils, but now your sound doesn't work. this is where I get a bit confused there are no errors or exceptions, but you do not hear any sound. The equalizer (*which* equalizer??) works, but sound don't go out (means, you don't actually hear anything?) Anyone already passed for this problem? Remembering : my user it's on audio group: audio:!:18:habutre my sound device has this permissions: crw-rw 1 root audio 14, 3 Jan 16 21:58 /dev/sound/dsp my sound mixing it's: esound my alsa-utils version: 1.0.10 This all looks fine (except for maybe esound, but that's a choice and doesn't necessarily seem to have a bearing on this problem). I think the first thing I'd want to know is: have you actually run alsamixer to set your mixer levels; maybe they're all still muted?; The second thing I'd want to know is: can you hear anything if you turn off esd (esound) or set gnome/esd to use ALSA (never quite figured out how to do that, so I just turned esd off)? Sorry not to be more help, but I'm not sure you've given all the information needed to troubleshoot this (since I'm not sure I understand what the problem actually is). HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How To set compile time options in emerge
Simon Prosser schreef: On Wednesday 18 January 2006 12:36, Oumar Ndiaye wrote: Hi, I installed php-4 via emerge but I am having problems getting php to work with mysql. After many research I have concluded that php-4 is not compiled with the -with-mysql option. I need to recompile php-4 with the -with-mysql option and reinstall it. How do I do that with emerge or some other ways? USE=mysql emerge dev-php/php Which will work for this emerge, but if php is then upgraded, the USE flag will be disabled again. A better way is to either 1. add the mysql USE flag to /etc/make.conf USE flags (if you want to enable mysql support for all packages that might support it); or 2. add dev-php/php mysql to /etc/portage/package.use (to enable mysql support for this package only). If the folder /etc/portage already exists, you can just do # echo dev-php/php mysql /etc/portage/package.use to enable the USE flag for that specific package. HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] *.bin and /dev/loop help
krgn schreef: Symbol: BLK_DEV_LOOP [=y] Prompt: Loopback device support Defined at drivers/block/Kconfig:261 Location: - Device Drivers - Block devices mount -o loop ok, installed it as module and its there... snip but if I try to mount the iso image.. it outputs this - RockHead doom # mount -t iso9660 Doom3cd1.iso01.iso /mnt/iso/cd1/ -o loop=/dev/loop0 ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: Device or resource busy so I wonder what this means. Karsten Wrong mount format. Try mount -o loop Doom3cd1.iso01.iso /mnt/some_folder_in_mnt (I think, working from memory) HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] more problems emerging world
Antoine schreef: Hi, I had put unicode in my make.conf, well, just cos unicode is a Good Thing. However, I now get audacity telling me that I must emerge wxGTK without unicode. Fine, I'll get rid of it I say to myself. Only I get ncurses telling me I will break my system if I emerge without unicode. Anyone got any suggestions? Cheers Antoine # echo x11-libs/wxGTK -unicode /etc/portage/package.use re-emerge (--oneshot) wxGTK emerge amarok Done. HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
