Frank,
I agree . so easy to trap hydrogen, optical transparency and this resonance you
are investigating all make the lowly soda bottle a great McGiver item that will
lend itself to home built LENR demonstrations once the principles are
understood. Maybe you will hit upon a low cost demo
The data come from many places. First, the library LENR experimental data
accumulated over the last 25 years in Jed's collection, Next, other data
that should be added to Jed's collection, then there is the experimentation
done that is directly applicable to LENR which is most recently done but
I've been promoting these HHO devices as related to this field for years, I
think there can be at a minimum over unity disassociation of hydrogen by the
surface geometry of the plates where electrolyzed hydrogen loads into the metal
geometry and pressure rises before being fed to the engine.
I almost took that as an honorable mention...
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 12:29 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Axil, you speak with the authority of one who knows -- perhaps even more
so than ChemE.
Does your authoritative knowledge shed light on an economical
demonstration of that
On Feb 2, 2014, at 9:39 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
wrote:
These discussions about suppressing gamma rays and neutrons have
been around since the beginning of cold fusion.
It is true that some people in this thread have been
Axil, you completely ignore what is observed and how the behavior is
produced. Rather than suggest complex, obscure, and novel ideas, why
not learn what is actually seen?
Ed Stporms
On Feb 2, 2014, at 10:24 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
Radioisotopes are not produced in LENR when the nucleus is
From: Eric Walker
Jed Rothwell wrote:
These discussions about suppressing gamma rays and neutrons have been around
since the beginning of cold fusion.
It is true that some people in this thread have been arguing about the
suppression of MeV-range gammas. Like you say, this sounds
Ed,
Point me to something that illustrates your viewpoint.
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Axil, you completely ignore what is observed and how the behavior is
produced. Rather than suggest complex, obscure, and novel ideas, why not
learn what is
The cold fusion reaction must be the same for all systems if we look deep
enough. LeClair reports gamma radiation in cavitation and so does
Piantelliin a nickel bar system. Both these systems are cold systems,
Piantelli reports gammas when his system is very cold only. Rossi says that
his early
From: Axil Axil
The cold fusion reaction must be the same for all systems if we look deep
enough.
That is absurd.
There is not the least bit of evidence for that proposition. In fact, the
evidence points to perhaps a dozen energetic reactions of hydrogen when
loaded into
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Greatings Vortex-l,
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http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24980-star-next-door-may-host-a-superhabitable-world.html#.Uu-ugj1dWSo
Ron Kita, Chiralex
Doylestown PA...31F snow
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
The cold fusion reaction must be the same for all systems if we look deep
enough.
That is absurd.
There is not the least bit of evidence for that proposition. In fact, the
evidence points to perhaps a dozen energetic reactions of hydrogen when
As you expected, I disagree strongly with this conclusion, Jones. All
of the behavior flows from a single process. The fusion reaction of
all isotopes of hydrogen provides the heat energy and fuels the
transmutation reactions, of which there are two consequences depending
on the isotope of
But the near-paradise would come at a cost to visitors from Earth: the
pull of gravity would be about one-quarter stronger than on our home turf.
At least the NBA would be more fair. Also, if the increase in gravity is
related to an increase in local entropy/vacuum, we will not live as long
and
If you are interested in black hole research, I have just read how to do it
with polaritons. You can produce worm holes, white holes, and black holes,
even alternate universes,
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1104.3013v2.pdf
Black Holes and Wormholes in spinor polariton condensates
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014
On Feb 3, 2014, at 8:10 AM, Axil Axil wrote:
The cold fusion reaction must be the same for all systems if we look
deep enough. LeClair reports gamma radiation in cavitation and so
does Piantelli in a nickel bar system. Both these systems are cold
systems,
Piantelli reports gammas when his
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
That is really the crux of the Nickel hydrogen analysis. Rossi/Forcardi
originally proposed a reaction in which substantial gammas should have been
witnessed at 10 kW of thermal release. The original lead shielding (in the
On 2/3/14, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Let us discuss this reference:...
No, let us discuss an experiment of YOUR design, the results of which
would differentiate YOUR theory from competing theories.
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 1:53 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Theory is
I think this will be relevant for Storms theory and radiation.
The
reactions H+e+H or D+e+D in hydrons will take long time for a nuclear
reaction.
The energy is released as a sequence of many photons.
And
the reaction is greatly dependent on the environment.
There may be
some events in
Begin forwarded message:
From: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
Date: February 3, 2014 9:28:49 AM MST
To: torulf.gr...@bredband.net torulf.gr...@bredband.net
Cc: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev
Good point Torulf. I believe the
I don't feel that we have anything like enough evidence to say
definitively whether there is one, or more than one, underlying
mechanism. It seems likely that at least some of the different sets of
experimental results will have a common underlying mechanism, and it is
well worth trying to
From: Jed Rothwell
AA: The cold fusion reaction must be the
same for all systems if we look deep enough.
JB: That is absurd. There is not the least bit of evidence
for that proposition. In fact, the evidence points to perhaps a
First off, the production of only stable isotopes via fusion, points to no
transfer of any angular momentum or kinetic energy by the cold fusion
reaction. This points to photofusion.
The report that only even numbers of protons and neutrons in the nucleus
before fusion resulting in a zero nuclear
I agree with QED.
We humans live in a weakly ionizing quantum vacuum, which varies in
concentration in our atmosphere, creating low pressure disturbances and is
conductive. Based upon observation, it is ionizing oxygen in our
atmosphere and forming water vapor as well as weakly ionizing the
Nigel, far more information is available than most people realize. My
present book has 750 citations to essential information. How many
people do you think have read these papers? My data base contains 4700
papers, which is more than available on LENR.org
I'm trying to apply the fewest
this post changed my mind about fission as a source of light nuclear ash.
You might get fission to lighter elements, if you initially add enough
energy in
the form of excess mass to more than make up for the energy deficit.
Yes that means Hydrogen fusion with the Ni. However there is only one
I had not intended to get involved with this field, but stumbled into it
when I became aware of some experimental results that did not fit into
the conventional picture. Once I dipped my toe into the water I quickly
came to realise how much information was available, some of which did
seem to
The assay of Rossi reaction ash says that 10% was iron. This reaction looks
like a good bet to be the main one in Rossi's reactor
1H+1H+62Ni = 4He + 4He + 56Fe + 3.495 MeV this one produces iron
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
this post changed my
The big announcement:
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mixed use approach to how Research Triangle Park is utilized.Now,
@TheRTP has full control of the 100+ acres of land along I-40 NC 54.
~3m sq ft potential for new, mixed use development.
This list is on the right tract but very incomplete. Transmutation has
two consequences. With the hydrogen nuclei is added and the resulting
nuclei remains in tact, aka Iwamura. Or the final nucleus fissions,
aka Miley et al. The consequence produce a collection of elements that
must
IMHO, it would be productive in your reaction analysis to consider how
important nuclear spin is in the LENR reaction.
Then, you might ask yourself why spin is so important, then you might draw
a connection between spin and magnetic effects and influences.
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 12:23 PM,
One more point, in a nuclear reaction spin is conserved between the input
and output products, except if the reaction is electromagnetic in nature.
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
IMHO, it would be productive in your reaction analysis to consider how
On Feb 3, 2014, at 10:10 AM, Nigel Dyer wrote:
I had not intended to get involved with this field, but stumbled
into it when I became aware of some experimental results that did
not fit into the conventional picture. Once I dipped my toe into
the water I quickly came to realise how much
Hands-Up Cops-Shoot Video
You can see the video with your own eyes. Stop and back it up if you miss it.
Spread this vital video to everyone you know. Police violence is escalating.
The first few shots are bean-bags. HOWEVER:
HE CLEARLY HAD HIS HANDS UP AND HIS BACK TURNED WHEN THE LAST TWO
http://www.blacklightpower.com/whats-new/
One more important point, the contents of the topological defects(cracks,
pits, holes, bumps) are superconducting. In other works, the cracks are
superconducting. This is called topological superconductivity. There is
only one environment where this superconductivity can happen at high
Greetings Vortex-L,
Not sure IF this is new:
http://www.blacklightpower.com/whats-new/
2 plus hours of Dr Mills.
Respectfully,
Ron Kita, Chiralex
Doylestown PA 31 F snow
In the second demo, Mills et al are producing an excimer laser effect by
using chlorine in the chemical mix. That type of laser will generate EUV
which produces water cluster detonation.
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Nigel Dyer l...@thedyers.org.uk wrote:
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
JR: There may be no evidence for this, but it seems likely
based on what McKubre calls the conservation of miracles.
First off - LENR is no miracle. We are at the stage of adequate proof. The
past irregularity in the Lab, of finding any
OT: 3D printer
Just thought it may be of interest at some point, last week I saw that
carbon fibres can now be printed 3D.
A related item is that EERE (DOE) is going to fund research into biomass,
'green', production of carbon fibres (think nanotubes, graphene) to the
tune of $12 million.
At the risk of overstepping the bounds of my understanding, it sounds like
you have begun to respond to my question about the experimental design
required to differentiate your theory from others. What you are saying, if
I understand your response to that question, is that you predict nuclear
Axil,
It is premature for us to draw the conclusion that all cold fusion reactions
are the same process. Nature decided this issue and not us.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Feb 3, 2014 10:11 am
Subject:
Dave, we are trying to find out what nature has decided. To do this,
assumptions have to be made, which are tested against what nature
reveals. The simplest assumption is to explore only a single process.
It turns out that assumption fits the behavior. Of course this fit
might result from
A.V. Simakin has done the experiments you are after. They show how
Photofission works.
This nuclear reaction does not need a lattice to work. The NAE is a space
between the gold nanoparticles.
Without the nanoparticles, laser light of the same intensity does not
produce the reaction.
I believe
From: Jed Rothwell
JR: There may be no evidence for this, but it seems likely
based on what McKubre calls the conservation of miracles.
First off - LENR is no miracle. We are at the stage of adequate proof. The
past irregularity in the Lab, of finding any LENR reaction at
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Dave, we are trying to find out what nature has decided. To do this,
assumptions have to be made, which are tested against what nature reveals.
The simplest assumption is to explore only a single process.
This is the default assumption for most
One more point,
I remember studying an experiment were transmutation was offset from the
primary reaction site (NAE) by some very long distance but the
transmutation at the remote site was weaker than at the crater(NAE) in the
lattice.
This indicated to me that an EMF causation was at play
On 02/03/2014 02:14 PM, Nigel Dyer wrote:
http://www.blacklightpower.com/whats-new
He sounds so certain that it's hard to believe his theory has serious
errors. I am not qualified to judge it.
Craig
One big problem in LENR reaction analysis is the confusion between cause
and effect.
Many analysts judge an accidental effect produced by the primary cause to
be the ultimate cause.
Mills is confusing symptoms with primary causation.
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Craig
One of the critical things that Joe Papp did to enhance EUV production was
to pass his spark through alpha emitters like radium and thorium.
This is a LENR reaction where radioactive decay is accelerated and photon
emissions from isotopes are greatly amplified.
The more EUV that you can be
Consider various physical effects in metals that have been discovered over
the centuries, such as magnetism, conducting electricity, the
thermoelectric effect (and its opposite manifestation the Peltier effect),
the photovoltaic effect, hydrogen embrittlement, piezoelectricity, and
Axil, unless Simakin et al share your theory, it is not the experiment I am
after. Even if they do share your theory, you are predicting particular
nuclear products that must be discriminated from those that would arise
from other processes and I see no indication that they performed the
required
I agree with your approach Ed. I just wanted to point out that we must not put
on blinders if we make measurements that suggest that some other reaction is
taking place than the suspected one. It is prudent to begin with the most
likely concepts to explore and to keep our eyes wide open for
Does he do any control discharges?
By that I mean: Did he demonstrate what happens if you don't include the
water but send the same electrical energy through the system?
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Nigel Dyer l...@thedyers.org.uk wrote:
http://www.blacklightpower.com/whats-new/
On Feb 3, 2014, at 3:23 PM, David Roberson wrote:
I agree with your approach Ed. I just wanted to point out that we
must not put on blinders if we make measurements that suggest that
some other reaction is taking place than the suspected one. It is
prudent to begin with the most likely
From: Jed Rothwell
Consider various physical effects in metals that have been discovered over
the centuries, such as magnetism, conducting electricity, the thermoelectric
effect (and its opposite manifestation the Peltier effect), the photovoltaic
effect, hydrogen embrittlement,
He says he's ready to license the technology, and that there are
companies he's going to meet which may do that. He thinks that a
prototype could be built in a 'lightning fast' period of time, maybe a
couple of months.
Craig
Ed, the magnetic field interaction has some traction. DGT, Dennis Craven, and
Rossi all have mentioned observations that suggest magnetic interaction. If I
recall, one of the government labs found correlation as well. It may be a
blind alley as you appear to believe, but what if a strong
Also, the claim for intense magnetic fields by DGT are so implausible and
unsupported by any evidence they can be safely ignored.
It is a conundrum of human nature that people beg and pled for info to be
shared about the Ni/H reactor research and then when it is made available,
unless it fits
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 5:23 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Axil, unless Simakin et al share your theory, it is not the experiment I
am after.
Simakin does understand that nanoplasmonics can cause nuclear reactions.
Even if they do share your theory, you are predicting
-Original Message-
From: Craig
He says he's ready to license the technology, and that there are
companies he's going to meet which may do that. He thinks that a
prototype could be built in a 'lightning fast' period of time, maybe a
couple of months.
Well this is déjà vu all over
My point is measurement is central to experiment. If you aren't measuring
phenomena you seek to explain with similar signal to noise ratios, you need
a different experiment.
Look, its simple: If you have the keys to the LENR/Cold Fusio kingdom then
you should be able to design a device that
Dave--
Muon induced cold fusion was known before the P-F effect was demonstrated.
I always assumed the magnetic field in the P-F effect was somehow involved with
the event. Pd has a large magnetic susceptibility and a large electronic heat
capacity associated with effectively heavy S band
Axil, if I believed DGT, I would be interested. However, I person has
to draw the line when information has no support. Where do you draw
the line? Do you believe everything you are told?
Ed Storms
On Feb 3, 2014, at 4:26 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
Also, the claim for intense magnetic fields by
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Conduction of electricity disproves your point since it has several
distinct forms - including ionic conductivity, superconductivity and HTSC,
which is different from SC.
Point taken. I guess there are different modes. A lot of underlying
similarity
Measurements of the energy output and spectral evidence for the hydrino
theory start at 1:16:25
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Craig
He says he's ready to license the technology, and that there are
companies he's
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Measurements of the energy output and spectral evidence for the hydrino
theory start at 1:16:25
Thanks!
- Jed
From: Jed Rothwell
Conduction of electricity disproves your point since it has
several distinct forms - including ionic conductivity, superconductivity and
HTSC, which is different from SC.
Point taken. I guess there are different modes. A lot of
I would first hold off judgment and disbelief until I see if the claim is
self-consistent. Then I move on to consistencies with other examples of
similar claims: there have been many claims about monopole production in
the long history of cold fusion, next I move on to consistency with known
Bob, I was not thinking about Muon type cold fusion. I guess it skipped my
thoughts since I have been concentrating on nickel hydrogen systems. It is
interesting to see that you have been seeking some form of interaction between
the reactant atoms and a magnetic field since it makes a great
The device will look a lot like the recent NI/H reactors. The vender of the
Ni/H reactor who takes polariton production of magnetic solutions most to
heart will dominate the marketplace.
The reaction products of both the DGT reaction and the Rossi reaction match
my latest predictions---heavy
David,
A half soliton of polaritons can not only produce a magnetic field, it can
thermalize gamma radiation to EUV and convert that radiation to more
magnetic strength in a positive feed back loop.
I will continue to repeat this until it gets through,
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 9:00 PM, David
Perhaps I heard you this time! Would you expect the increased magnetic field
created by these polaritons to then be able to cause more LENR activity in
synchronization?
I suppose I need to have a better understanding of the half soliton of
polaritons that you mention. Where can I locate a
Has anyone noticed that in Mills' drawings of the MHD converter that he has
the direction of the coils and the B field wrong for the directions that he
wants his positive and negative ions to travel? At 53:13, he is showing a
slide with an axial B field and presumably with the plasma split and
I agree Bob. He needs to rotate the coils 90 degrees as you point out.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com
Sent: Mon, Feb 3, 2014 9:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:BLP video is out
I haven't seen that picture but based on earlier stuff I've seen that axial
magnetic field acts as a guide for the expanding plasma - the plasma first
travels axially and then intersects the transverse field at the ends,
when it hits the transverse field, the electrons spiral towards one
here are two links for MHD, magnetohydrodynamics
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/maspec.html#c5
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MHD_generator
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 9:49 PM, Jeff Driscoll jef...@gmail.com wrote:
I haven't seen that picture but based on earlier stuff I've
That might explain what they are actually planning. The transverse field at
the end of the coils must have been left out of the drawing by accident.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Jeff Driscoll jef...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Feb 3, 2014 9:49 pm
To me the most interesting part was the q+a toward the end. From about
1:53:00 to 2:05:00 he finally cuts loose from the script and makes a
strong case for the quality and significance of his research. It left me
with a somewhat improved impression of BLP's prospects. The engineering
A polariton is a photon and an electron locked together in a pair. This
pair orbits around a cavity on its edge. The spin of all polaritons are
pointed such that the polariton ensemble produces a magnetic field at the
center of the soliton perpendicular to the circular polariton current
I just took a careful look at the drawing and there is a B field shown inside
the area of the output power loop. That must represent the field that we did
not see earlier.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Jeff Driscoll jef...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon,
You are describing a strange particle Axil. It is not clear as to whether or
not the magnetic field generated within the soliton is steady or of an AC
nature. Can you verify that a DC magnetic field is generated by this type of
ensemble? Why does the AC frequency of the trapped photon not
I haven't made it to the QA yet.
Mills talked about there being a 100:1 energy ratio between gasoline and
water. In other words, a car would go as far on 1 gallon of water as 100
gallons of gasoline. He made the case for a microliter of water producing
1000J of excess heat which is about 1
The spin of the polariton produces the magnetic field in the same way that
an iron magnet produces a magnetic field; that is, through spin alignment
except that the half soliton has only one pole.
Think of the soliton as a very strong permanent magnet.
Charge movement does not produce a current.
Ed: the Rossi claim for transmutation producing energy is simply WRONG.
Jones: Note that of late, Rossi’s own comments (to JoNP) show that he is
no longer pushing the transmutation of nickel to copper, and has doubts
about any theory. In fact, we know that Ni - Cu cannot be the prime
reaction
If I understand what you are saying, I should be able to place a large magnet
in front of one of these polaritons and it would be attracted to it. Is that
correct?
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Feb 3,
yes, A magnetic field will affect the direction of the spin of the both
the polariton and the soliton. but that might not affect the LENR reaction
because there is matter all around the soliton, the mega-spin of the
soliton will just zap some other atoms in the area.
One more point, all the
It is interesting to do a little math around this experiment. Presume that
the popper is operating with a fuel of 1 microliter of water and produces a
net excess energy of 1000 joules. Presume Mills to be correct in assigning
most of the reaction is conversion to 1/4 hydrino state that is
http://phys.org/news/2014-02-physics-mystery-solitons-vortex.html
On Feb 3, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
Ed: the Rossi claim for transmutation producing energy is simply
WRONG.
Jones: Note that of late, Rossi’s own comments (to JoNP) show that
he is no longer pushing the transmutation of nickel to copper, and
has doubts about any theory. In
Why would you believe DGT could create such a field in the apparatus they
have shown?
Because both Ken Sholders and proton-21 produced cold fusion and monopole
fields using sparks.
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
On Feb 3, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Eric
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 8:30 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Why do you say this, Eric? Do you have evidence I do not know about? Can
you give a reason why the statements are not correct?
I have seen what you and the others have seen. Rossi has been consistent
in much, although
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