RE: Importing clear, sharp images

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

I only use PNG with screen captures ... the (older) standard GIF color size 
(used to be set of 256 colors ... has that changed?) would be way too limiting 
in most cases (not all).

Any drawn image with gradients - which are not always obvious - or pictures, 
will result in a poor quality. And, PNG will be far better for these reasons.

Z

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Turner
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 8:58 AM
To: Robert Lauriston
Cc: framers
Subject: Re: Importing clear, sharp images

We use PNG or GIF formats to get the sharpest screen captures. We use PDF for 
all other graphics.

 On Jun 18, 2015, at 10:36, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com wrote:
 
 Are you using File  Import  File  by Reference?
 
 On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Tim Pann tp...@telecomsys.com wrote:
 Output is PDF, and yes, my issue is with the finished product, not 
 what I'm seeing on my computer screen.
 
 
 From: Shmuel [shmue...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 3:15 AM
 To: Tim Pann; framers
 Subject: Re: Importing clear, sharp images
 
 Images often appear choppy in FrameMaker, but come out better in the PDF.
 The way they look in FrameMaker is just like a preview. Is your 
 output PDF, online help, or both?
 
 --
 Shmuel Wolfson
 Technical Writer
 052-763-7133
 
 On 18-Jun-15 12:10 AM, Tim Pann wrote:
 
 I'm using Frame 9 on Windows 7. And my apologies if this has been 
 covered and answered.
 
 Can anyone point me toward a good resource (or just tell me if it's 
 quick) for understanding how to get nice sharp images imported by 
 reference in FrameMaker? I'm working on a doc right now in which I'm 
 mostly importing PSD files. They're all screen captures of a user 
 interface. I have to resize most of them and they're looking pretty 
 choppy. I switched to a TIF image for one and that didn't help.
 
 I know that TIFF is the preferred format (not sure about PSD but many 
 of my PSD imports look nice) but I don't know if there are specific 
 guidelines or recommendations about resolution, resizing once imported, etc.
 
 I'm happy to provide more information about what I'm doing if needed. 
 No idea what's relevant and what's not.
 
 Thank you,
 Tim
 
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RE: Importing clear, sharp images

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Same here.

I think SnagIt is an excellent tool and well worth the money.

If the image/drawing I want to capture is large (or vectorized), I try to 
maximise it as much as reasonable (native, without jaggies) on the 1920x1200 
screen I use before the screen capture.

This makes the PNG capture occur at a good high resolution – i.e., the source 
quality is better – so that letting FrameMaker downsize it to fit still makes 
it look good.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of John Sgammato
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 2:17 PM
To: Tim Pann
Cc: framers
Subject: Re: Importing clear, sharp images

I use SnagIt to capture all my images as PNGs, then I import by reference at 
160dpi and they look great.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Tim Pann 
tp...@telecomsys.commailto:tp...@telecomsys.com wrote:
I'm using Frame 9 on Windows 7. And my apologies if this has been covered and 
answered.

Can anyone point me toward a good resource (or just tell me if it's quick) for 
understanding how to get nice sharp images imported by reference in FrameMaker? 
I'm working on a doc right now in which I'm mostly importing PSD files. They're 
all screen captures of a user interface. I have to resize most of them and 
they're looking pretty choppy. I switched to a TIF image for one and that 
didn't help.

I know that TIFF is the preferred format (not sure about PSD but many of my PSD 
imports look nice) but I don't know if there are specific guidelines or 
recommendations about resolution, resizing once imported, etc.

I'm happy to provide more information about what I'm doing if needed. No idea 
what's relevant and what's not.

Thank you,
Tim

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RE: FrameMaker 9 Internal error 9004 issue

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Frank Ripp said:

?  Maybe it is time - if I upgrade, should it be to Frame 12 or Frame 2015?

Hmmm ... probably worth just going to FrameMaker 2015 in your case, I would 
think? The cost for either upgrade (well ... not an upgrade really, since it is 
a new purchase cost!) would be the same for you ... of course, the point that 
Robert Lauriston made about evaluating the competition again is well taken.

Basically, there are probably some (many?) bug fixes in FrameMaker 2015 that 
are not in FrameMaker 12 ... even though they were reported while FrameMaker 12 
was the production release. And it makes prices for future upgrades lower if 
you continue.

Z

[off-topic rant ... here I go again ... so feel free to ignore the rest of 
this! :)]
FWIW, since FrameMaker 12 will not get these fixes now, I believe, it just 
gives more credence to my now-well-underway project of moving away from 
FrameMaker entirely. Also, the price for upgrades remains too high IMHO ... 
perhaps (my speculation) to try to force people to accept the monthly/annual 
subscription model version instead! Yuck. :(

IMHO, companies should fix reproducible bugs reported in released versions - 
and not by forcing us to get bug fixes by upgrading to the next version (at 
high cost). I can rationalize spending $149 (used to be the support license 
cost) to $199 (used to be the old upgrade pricing model) every other year for 
upgrades to FrameMaker. But $399 is simply too much. Since Word for short new 
documents and LaTeX for long new ones are serving my needs very well. YMMV of 
course!

My point: in software, new versions (with upgrades at reasonable prices) should 
be for new functionality ... that can be charged for. Bugs in recent versions 
(let alone those reported on the released version!) should get free fixes. Most 
companies follow that practice till they EOL a particular release, even after 
new versions are available. Microsoft, Oracle and Cyberlink are good examples 
of this Best Practice.

I think it was Robert Lauriston who once asked me why I followed upgrade paths 
all the time ... I now think he was right to basically consider me an idiot 
(more or less)! So, FrameMaker 12 is likely to be my last version until all my 
old documents are converted away to the new tools I now use for all new 
documents! Then it will get punted permanently ... 27+ years after I first 
began using it!
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RE: FrameMaker 9 Internal error 9004 issue

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

True. Not officially supported, but I also have run every version of FrameMaker 
from 7.2 onwards in 64-bit Windows (various) without any problems - 
particularly this error reported by Frank.

Of course, FM 9 was not as stable as FM 8 (older) or FM 11 (later) versions. FM 
9 did crash on me on a few occasions, but didn't require a re-installation, or 
stay broken for long. Usually it was some file corruption issue that a MIF 
save-read typically fixed.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:45 PM
To: Frank Ripp; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 9 Internal error 9004 issue

64-bit Windows 7 is not a supported OS for FrameMaker 9, it's designed for 
32-bit XP or Vista. Have you tried installing in compatibility mode?

Here's an old Adobe forum thread on the subject:

https://forums.adobe.com/message/2992588

On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Frank Ripp fr...@pacificbiosciences.com 
wrote:
 Hi Framers,



 I’m running Frame 9 (v9.0p255) under Windows 7 on a Dell Latitude with 
 16 GB of RAM.

 The software was recently installed, and for a few weeks everything 
 worked as expected.



 Today, when I open *any* existing Frame document:

 1)  The document is blank.

 2)  When I close the document, the content now displays underneath the
 “Do you want to save changes” dialog. (So my content is still there!)

 3)  No matter which button I click, an error message displays:
 “Internal error 9004 lots of numbers FrameMaker has detected a 
 serious problem and must quit.”
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RE: Book Save-As PDF w/ multiple page sizes

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

And, as always in this regard, I should note that YMMV. ☺

For me, the “Save As PDF” was the option that worked better for many of the 
older releases of FrameMaker – just had to play with the pop-up box options for 
each new release that came out.

In FM12, both Print to Adobe PDF printer, and Save as PDF have given me 
essentially similar PDF files output (with only one issue – the bug in the CMYK 
selection). But not identical files … I haven’t bothered to look to see why not.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Artman
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2015 8:16 AM
To: Charles Richardson; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Book Save-As PDF w/ multiple page sizes

At the risk of seeming blunt: Don't use Save As PDF.

I never have in 20 years (has it EVER worked?), I never do so now (for my 
remaining time in FM), and I probably never will (being on my way out of the 
Adobe ecosystem permanently).

If it works one way, why use another? Heck, print to PS is BETTER for workflow, 
if you can avail yourself of watched folders and scripted file transfer tasks 
(cron/Task Manager).

David
 Original Message 
Subject: Book Save-As PDF w/ multiple page sizes
From: Charles Richardson c...@matrixpress.commailto:c...@matrixpress.com
Date: Mon, June 08, 2015 10:36 am
To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Unable to find answer in FM docs.  How does one configure FM to do Save-As PDF 
with the correct output page sizes (e.g., book with mixed letter/tabloid pages) 
in PDF?  This is not a problem if a book print setup is set to tabloid and 
printed to .ps then distilled; the output reflects the original page sizes.  
With Save-As, if the page size is set to tabloid, all the pages in the output 
will be tabloid.  I can get only one size or the other.

FM12 (unstructured)/Acrobat IX Adobe PDF Converter/W7

Thanks for your help!
Charles

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RE: Sourcesafe

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Or to Git ... which is even better than SVN.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Simon BUCH
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 3:34 AM
To: Denis Daly; framers
Subject: Re: Sourcesafe

Making a manual archive is always a good practice - I would advise doing this 
on a twice daily basis so that the files are backed up to a server in a 
different location.

Warning: SourceSafe is a discontinued Microsoft package. Even though SourceSafe 
can handle any type of file, we experienced some corruptions when dealing with 
non-source code, such as document sets, images, etc.  Not good!

Instead, I would recommend switching to use Apache Subversion - AKA: SVN.

// Simon BUCH

On 05/06/2015 10:13, Denis Daly wrote:
HI,

It has been recommended to me, by my Manager, that I use Sourcesafe to control 
archiving of all my Framemaker files. Sourcesafe is used by our Software 
developer to archive his files.

Currently, I manually archive on a weekly basis by copying files from my local 
C:\ drive to the company server.

Thoughts appreciated.


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RE: Adobe announces FrameMaker (2015 Release)

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Interesting!

This download page: 
https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/tdrc/index.cfm?product=framemakerloc=en_us#https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/tdrc/index.cfm?product=framemakerloc=en_us
 (not sure if you can get to it directly) has links to allows downloading old 
versions of FrameMaker … all the way back to FrameMaker 7.2 from what I see.

I have not tried those links, since I have those versions on disks, but it may 
be worth it for somebody to go look and see if they can get to old version 
downloads that they may need …

Z

From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 10:44 AM
To: 'Keith Soltys'; Framers Mailing List (framers@lists.frameusers.com)
Subject: RE: Adobe announces FrameMaker (2015 Release)

Yeah. The upgrade price of $399 still seems like a non-starter to me 
unfortunately … but I have been railing about this for a while now.

Means that I will continue my “all new documents are in LaTeX, old documents 
edited in FrameMaker” approach. And transition the update work to LaTeX too …

I am really pleased with LaTeX so far (for my documentation needs! YMMV!)

Z

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Subject: Adobe announces FrameMaker (2015 Release)

Adobe has announced the new version of FrameMaker. It looks like a more 
substantial release than FrameMaker 12.

http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker.html

Regards
Keith

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RE: Adobe announces FrameMaker (2015 Release)

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Yeah. The upgrade price of $399 still seems like a non-starter to me 
unfortunately … but I have been railing about this for a while now.

Means that I will continue my “all new documents are in LaTeX, old documents 
edited in FrameMaker” approach. And transition the update work to LaTeX too …

I am really pleased with LaTeX so far (for my documentation needs! YMMV!)

Z

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Subject: Adobe announces FrameMaker (2015 Release)

Adobe has announced the new version of FrameMaker. It looks like a more 
substantial release than FrameMaker 12.

http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker.html

Regards
Keith

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Comparing paragraph and character formats inside files of a book?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Hi, all.

I did a bit of looking and am not sure I see an answer for a concern that I 
have.

In one of my books that I created and have edited over the years, it is 
possible that some of the paragraph and character format definitions (and 
possibly the color definitions, and reference pages too) are no longer 
consistent in every file of that book.

Meaning that I am not sure if paragraph format “XYZ” in one of the files is 
necessarily identical to the same format “XYZ” in another one of the files. 
Probably close, but not sure if they are identical. It is also possible that 
some file may have had a format added/removed/edited because it is only used 
within that file only (like a content list format or something).

Is there a way to compare/list/report (whatever) all the formats in the files 
to see where the inconsistencies are? At least, so that I can take one of the 
file and apply its formats to all the other files and not break things too much?

Z
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RE: How do I get to frameusers forum????

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

This is what I do too.

You can create message filters in Outlook and Thunderbird easily. I assume 
other e-mail clients do the same thing ...

Z

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I created a folder for the forum e-mails and then create a rule that 
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I don't want to see all the emails from subscribers. It clutters my inbox and 
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RE: What FM plugin suite give the most bang?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

For me, BookVars from Leximation is vital.

I recommend it highly to maintain variables at the book level for consistency - 
many of my books have hundreds of variables, and I would not be able to cleanly 
manage variables without it.

Z

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Subject: What FM plugin suite give the most bang?


Hi, guys...I'm using FM11 unstructured and I maintain quite a large document 
set...10 books of 2,000 pages each give or take.

Because of the amount of time I spend on housekeeping, I'm ready to take a stab 
at adding plugins that will save me time. In addition, I may be bringing in a 
team of 3-4 writers and I want the files to be as clean as possible. When you 
evolve to 20,000 pages of document from an initial 195 pages in 2 years, ya get 
careless at times.

Now...I'm in a very locked down environment, so I know I'm in for a 
battle...this very well can be a 3-6 month project and I may loose.

Money is no object. I was able to easily justify a $500 application just to 
check broken links (3 bullet points in an email) , but it took 4 months to work 
through the process from request to license.

So...if I was to try to put together a shopping list together with as many 
plugin components in as few different products as possible, what should that be?

Thanks

John X Posada
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RE: What is your experience with FM12 using the 5K Retina screen?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Agreed! I use my 15.6 laptop only when I travel (which is quite a bit). When I 
am at my desk at work or at home, I dock my laptop and connect to twin 24 
1920x1200 displays for my work.

Only way my old eyes would survive long-term staring at a screen.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tori Muir
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 2:53 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: What is your experience with FM12 using the 5K Retina screen?

For those of us with eyesight that's not what it used to be due to age, a 14 
screen is simply not a viable option, no matter how high the resolution.

FWIW, my eyesight is decidedly declined, I run Frame 11 on a 15 Retina MacBook 
Pro hooked up to a 27 Thunderbolt display (a mere 2560 x 1440 pixels), and it 
looks *awesome*.   I'm not sure the exact resolution I'm running, as I use 
VMware Fusion and it has its own monitor settings within the virtual machine.


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On 4/15/15, 1:06 PM, Ragnar Hanås wrote:
Why not a Fujitsu Lifebook U904?
Even better resolution than Mac (3200 x 1800 vs 2880x1800). The 14' format 
makes it much more easier to work while travelling. And no problems running FM!
Ragnar Hanas
Uddevalla Hospital
Sweden

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Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 17:55
To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: What is your experience with FM12 using the 5K Retina screen?

There are a number of people on this list (I believe) who have dealt with 
issues using FM12 on retina MacBook Pro laptops. I know it's not exactly the 
same thing, but it's well beyond the compatible resolution for FM. You might 
search the archives for retina or perhaps those people will chime in with 
their experiences.

Good luck!
...scott


On 4/15/15 2:26 AM, Austin Meredith wrote:
Because of fading eyesight due to old age, I have been thinking about upgrading 
my hardware and software. I'd like to purchase a new iMac loaded with the 
Windows operating system, because of Apple's amazing brilliant precise 5K 
Retina monitor on which print appears so crisp, and then run FrameMaker 12 
under Windows on that iMac. However, when I contacted Adobe about whether it 
was possible to run FrameMaker 12 at full screen resolution on the 5K Retina 
monitor, they responded that -- despite the fact that the 5K Retina monitor has 
been being sold for some time now, they have yet to test this!

Apparently Adobe's attitude is that I would need to first pig-in-a-poke 
purchase the latest Apple hardware, and download and install their latest Adobe 
software, and then test for native screen resolution *myself*. --If it should 
turn out that FM12 won't run on the 5K Retina screen I had just purchased at 
full resolution, then I'm SOL, and shame on my eyes for getting old.

Question #1: Has anyone on this list succeeded in running FM12 at full screen 
resolution on a 5K Retina monitor? Or, has it been necessary to degrade the 
resolution of the screen in order to run FM12? Question #2: If it has been 
necessary to degrade the resolution of this monitor in order to run FM12, how 
does FM12 look on this monitor? --Is it superior in quality of image, crispness 
of print, etc., or is it inferior? Question #3: Should I instead purchase some 
other brand of monitor for the visually disabled, such as the latest hi-res 
big-screen monitor offered by Dell?


(This was Adobe's response: The Compatible screen resolution is 1024x768 
screen resolution (1280x800 recommended) mentioned under 
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/systemreqs.html. 5K Retina screen has 
not yet been tested with FrameMaker 12. We had tested 4K with FrameMaker 12 and 
were experiencing issues with the display and eventually had to adjust the 
display resolution. However, If you want you can install the trial version for 
FrameMaker 12 and check if it works fine with your display or not.)









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RE: FrameMaker and SharePoint

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Sorry to not give you answers to your specific questions, but you may want to 
consider changing to another system to make it simple.

I believe that with a small number of users, free on-line versions of Git 
hosted solutions are perhaps the best way to go.

For example, check out Github (www.github.comhttp://www.github.com) and 
BitBucket (www.bitbucket.orghttp://www.bitbucket.org) - BitBucket is free for 
up to 5 users with unlimited repositories (no file limits).

Here is a comparison of various Git hosting sites: 
www.git-tower.com/blog/git-hosting-services-compared/http://www.git-tower.com/blog/git-hosting-services-compared/

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Michael Norton
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 9:37 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker and SharePoint

We are moving from an older revision control system (StarTeam) to SharePoint 
v2013. We are using unstructured Frame and will mainly use SharePoint as a 
repository for our Frame, RoboHelp, Word, and associated graphics files. We are 
currently on FrameMaker v10, but will be moving to v12 soon. I have the 
connection set up in CMS | Configuration Manager and it seems to be working OK, 
VPN willing.

Any words to the wise from people who have already done this?

Our needs are pretty basic - IT wants us off StarTeam and we just want an 
accessible repository that a small number of writers (1-3) can easily get to.

So far, it seems a little slower than StarTeam and there is a 100 file upload 
limitation. Several of our books have more than 100 referenced graphics files. 
SharePoint doesn't seem to want to let me drag and drop folders, only files. 
This will make for a tedious transition, unless I can find a way around this 
limitation.




Michael Norton | Lead Technical Writer


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RE: How to Choose the Right Image File Format for Print

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Fei Min said:

 but the TIFF figures were all fuzzy and the PNG ones weren't 

This _may_ be due to the fact that your screen capture program that outputs the 
TIFF does not place a good thumb-nail inside the file. The actual printed 
output may be just fine, but displays (particularly when editing in FrameMaker) 
would not look good at all.

My general observations:

1. JPG is fine for pictures, but terrible for graphics and line-art. Don't edit 
and save a JPG (multiple generations) and expect it to maintain quality each 
time you save! 

2. PNG is fine for line-art and graphics - particularly when viewed on-screen. 
Loss-less and can also be used for pictures too.

Since most of my images are drawings and business graphics, PNG suits me best.

Z

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RE: Is the use of master pages a patent infringement?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Agreed.

This is not a legal opinion, but in my limited expertise, it (the patent) would 
be likely invalidated due to prior art, based on prior heartbeat. I doubt the 
patent holder will try to sue for these claims since an invalidation on a few 
claims would cast doubt on the other claims in the patent as well.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harding, Dan
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 7:10 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Is the use of master pages a patent infringement?

Desktop publishing software of all makes have been using Master Pages far 
longer than since 2008. That patent would be very difficult, if not impossible, 
to enforce. This is a case where the patent office did not sue its due 
diligence in awarding the patent, IMO.

-Dan


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 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Klaus Daube
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 4:38 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Is the use of master pages a patent infringement?

By chance I came along US patent 
7472343http://www.google.co.in/patents/US7472343, Publication date30 Dec 2008.

Claim 1 reads:
A computer-implemented method of generating data representing a master document 
for use in an automated document generation system, the master document 
including predetermined elements of document content selected by rules 
operating on input information, comprising:
storing data representing a first mark-up notation or style and data 
representing a second mark-up notation or style different to the first mark-up 
notation or style;
...
Claim 18 reads:
A computer-implemented method of generating a master document for use in an 
automated document generation system from an existing precedent for use in 
manual document generation, the master document including predetermined 
elements of document content selected by rules operating on input information, 
comprising:
storing data representing a first mark-up style or notation of existing 
precedents for use in manual document generation and data representing a second 
mark-up style or notation of master documents for use in an automated document 
generation system;
...

Well, as a European I have strong problems with the US patent law anyway. But 
there are more strange things around, which lead to the following statement in 
the documentation of Citavihttp://www.citavi.com/, a pendant to 
EndNotehttp://www.endnote.com/. I strongly assume  that the patent is held by 
the EndNote maker (Thomson Reuters (Scientific) LLC).
«
In Citavi 3 it was possible to insert references into a document using place 
holders. These place holders were then converted to formatted citations in a 
second step. At the same time, a bibliography was created. This option worked 
with all programs that support rich text format (rtf), including OpenOffice 
Writer, LibreOffice Writer und Scrivener.

Recently this place holder conversion process was protected by a patent. As 
long as this patent is valid, we are unable to offer the option to convert 
place holders in the United States.

What does this mean for you?
* When you download and install Citavi 4 in the United States, this feature is 
not available.
* If you download and install Citavi outside the United States, this feature is 
available. However, it will be deactivated if you are using Citavi in the 
United States based on your IP address.

What implications does this have in Citavi 4?
* If you use Citavi with the Add-In for Microsoft Word or with a LaTeX-Editor 
or if you do not use Citavi to create publications, this restriction will not 
affect you.
* If you want to use Citavi with other word processors, you cannot do so in the 
United States.
»


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RE: User's manual vs. User manual

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

This is from an old e-mail I sent to the Framers list not quite 5 years ago.

I got this from my sister and ... I am sorry ... I _cannot_ resist sending this 
completely off-topic response. Please forgive me in advance!

Z

Subject: English will become official European Language.

The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be 
the official language of the European Union rather than German, which was the 
other possibility.

As part of the negotiations, the British Government conceded that English 
spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5- year phase-in plan 
that would become known as 'Euro-English'.

In the first year, 's' will replace the soft 'c'. Sertainly, this will make the 
sivil servants jump with joy. The hard 'c' will be dropped in favour of 'k'. 
This should klear up konfusion, and keyboards kan have one less letter.

There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year when the troublesome 
'ph' will be replaced with 'f'. This will make words like fotograf 20% shorter.

In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expected to reach 
the stage where more komplikated changes are possible.

Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters which have always ben 
a deterent to akurate speling.

Also, al wil agre that the horibl mes of the silent 'e' in the language is 
disgrasful and it should go away.

By the 4th yer people wil be reseptiv to steps such as Replasing 'th' with 'z' 
and 'w' with 'v'.

During ze fifz yer, ze unesesary 'o' kan be dropd from vords containing 'ou' 
and after ziz fifz yer, ve vil hav a reil sensibl riten styl.

Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi TU understand 
ech oza. Ze drem of a united urop vil finali kum tru. Und efter ze fifz yer, ve 
vil al be speking German like zey vunted in ze forst plas.

If zis mad you smil, pleas pas on to oza pepl.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harding, Dan
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 9:22 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: User's manual vs. User manual

ACHTUNG! ALLES LOOKENSPEEPERS! Das computermachine ist nicht fuer gefingerpoken 
und mittengrabben. Ist easy schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und 
poppencorken mit spitzensparken. Ist nicht fuer gewerken bei das dumpkopfen. 
Das rubbernecken sichtseeren keepen das cotten-pickenen hans in das pockets 
muss; relaxen und watchen das blinkenlichten.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain 
(syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 10:55 AM
To: Davis, David; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: User's manual vs. User manual

David Davis said:
 In German they get around this kind of thing by making compound nouns, so 
 you'd have the equivalent of Usermanual  (Benutzerhandbuch...?), but 
 English prefers to leave a space.

Indeed! :) 

Reminds me of the time I was helping a fraternity brother (fluent German 
speaker) translate a highly technical document from German to English for his 
summer job and we encountered this (or some similar) word: 
SchwebendeElektroMagnetischenFeld  and that was one of the simpler 
compound words there!

The translation we provided in English was Levitating Electro-Magnetic Field. 
The word Schwebende means something else I think, but the context was MagLev 
trains, so Levitating seemed better to me! :)

I have never forgotten this story even though it has been 40 years now. I ended 
up sudying German for two semesters the year after that summer - needed it as a 
foreign language requirement. 

Z

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RE: User's manual vs. User manual

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

David Davis said:
 In German they get around this kind of thing by making compound nouns, so 
 you'd have the equivalent of Usermanual  (Benutzerhandbuch...?), but 
 English prefers to leave a space.

Indeed! :) 

Reminds me of the time I was helping a fraternity brother (fluent German 
speaker) translate a highly technical document from German to English for his 
summer job and we encountered this (or some similar) word: 
SchwebendeElektroMagnetischenFeld  and that was one of the simpler 
compound words there!

The translation we provided in English was Levitating Electro-Magnetic Field. 
The word Schwebende means something else I think, but the context was MagLev 
trains, so Levitating seemed better to me! :)

I have never forgotten this story even though it has been 40 years now. I ended 
up sudying German for two semesters the year after that summer - needed it as a 
foreign language requirement. 

Z

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RE: User's manual vs. User manual

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Same here!

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig, Alison
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 4:44 PM
To: hessiansx4; Framers
Subject: RE: User's manual vs. User manual

Personally, I’ve always preferred User Manual.

I find the other option awkward to say as well as awkward looking.

Alison


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  Any thoughts on which is preferable for hardware products?
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RE: Accidental Change All (am I alone?)

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

I have had this happen on a few relatively rare occasions ... and have not 
looked into how to prevent it.

But, it is one of the reasons I copy the files + book into an archive folder 
below the working folder before an editing session for any given document.

So, yeah, I could mess up what I worked on that day (usually not many hours, 
since I am not always editing stuff), but not from before that.

Then my backup solution (I use and love ShadowProtect from 
www.storagecraft.comhttp://www.storagecraft.com) protects me further with 
older copies if I really munged things badly enough! This backs up twice a day 
in my configuration - but it can do continuous too.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stephen O'Brien
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 11:08 AM
To: Frame Users (framers@lists.frameusers.com)
Subject: Accidental Change All (am I alone?)

Hi,

We have recently  had 2 incidents where the Change All operation was launched 
accidently - the dialog box is open and has the focus and the writer 
accidently, or in another goal, uses the ALT-A key combination. Change All is 
launched - no permission is asked and no Cancel or Undo is available. If 
working in a book, the changes are book wide! Can be catastrophic, believe me.

Have you experienced this? Do you know of any solutions?

Many thanks,

Stephen O'BRIEN
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RE: Print a list of variables?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

My most used tool is BookVars from Leximation ... thanks to Scott Prentice 
for this excellent add-on.

It easily allows you to create a text file containing the variables being used, 
and then manage them at the book level in the future.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Christenson, Pat
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 10:57 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Print a list of variables?

I have book with 30+ files. I need a list of the variables throughout the book.

It doesn't appear that you can generate a list of variables so does anyone know 
of a way to print the variable pod? (Other than screencapping it. There are a 
few hundred variables so that would be a lot of screencaps.)

This is a one-time thing so a script would be overkill. Thanks.

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RE: secured PDFs

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Yikes! Copyright and trademark, etc., is important – I have done internal 
presentations here to make sure that we are all careful about that. While it is 
rare for any manual information to be the basis of serious copyright legal 
cases, the consequences of such infringement could be harsh and fiscally 
troublesome.

The Legal Counsel inside a company (of any size) should be involved in any 
situation where these can arise. If your former friend had ever mentioned his 
approach to them, I am sure he would have been given way more than a sharp rap 
on his knuckles by competent legal counsel!

And, of course, if you are finding your verbiage and images are being used by 
competitors, the legal folks can (and should) send a cease-and-desist to start. 
Often, this is enough to solve the problem (i.e., “don’t file a lawsuit that 
costs money if you can cure it easily” mode of operation) – it is rare to see 
the Apple-Samsung type of cases, actually.

Z

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Ken Poshedly
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 1:17 PM
To: john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Johnson, Joyce
Subject: Re: secured PDFs

It's more a matter of our verbage and/or images being copied and used in the 
documentation by competitors.

As a tech writer for two world-known heavy equipment companies over the past 17 
years, I know first-hand that it is not uncommon for former technicians and 
trainers to be put in front of a keyboard and terminal to produce manuals when 
they get too old to travel long distances or for extended periods for 
training or service duties. Their skills are valued far more than their ability 
to write coherent text.

They obviously know every thread-pitch, ampere and torque of all bolts and 
everything else, but proper writing skills and observance of copyright laws are 
TOTALLY foreign to many of them. That is exactly what happened when I worked 
alongside a former friend who had been a trainer for many years but then got 
into technical writing. Cutting and pasting stuff verbatim from competitors' 
manuals was totally what he did. When I told him our company could 
theoretically get sued out of existence, he brushed it off.

In the real world, I don't know if that kind of stuff (being sued for using 
plagiarized text and graphics in construction equipment manuals) actually 
matters, but my job -- the way I see it -- includes protecting my employer from 
this kind of stuff.

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Ken...just wondering...
If a customer buys your product, what do you care if they make changes?

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tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.commailto:tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com, 
Johnson, Joyce
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Date:03/03/2015 03:56 PM
Subject:Re: secured PDFs
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In addition to hard-copies of our manuals included in the operator cab of
the heavy construction equipment my company manufactures and markets
worldwide, we also make available pdf files of our manuals with passwords
to prevent changes, copying text  images, etc.

So far, we're not aware of any plagiarism or other unauthorized use of our
stuff. At least not yet.

-- Ken in Atlanta


On Tuesday, March 3, 2015 3:33 PM, 
tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.commailto:tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com
tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.commailto:tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com wrote:


We used to deliver user guides as secured PDFs; however, the security
settings in Acrobat 9 never fully suited our needs. We have since upgraded
to Acrobat 12, but I haven't checked if the settings are any better. That
said, securing the documents ended up being more pain than it was worth.
Too many users wanted to extract pages or do other things that we deemed
were OK. We dropped the securing documents years ago. I know there is fear
that someone could steal some trade secret (I never found one in our

RE: secured PDFs

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

We never bother to secure our PDF's.

Even though much of the information we have available for our customers is 
often proprietary to us, worrying about people extracting a page here and 
there, or printing what they shouldn't, etc., seemed to be overkill.

Basically, we protect our confidential relationships with NDA's and deal with 
each release of confidential information if it occurs - too rare to matter, 
btw.

All documents that fall under the NDA terms are always clearly marked with the 
words Aeris Confidential Information in the footnote on every page too. That 
is a requirement of our NDA, and our legal folks re-iterate that to people 
often. :)

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Johnson, Joyce
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 12:12 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: secured PDFs

We deliver user guides (software and hardware) to customers  via 
password-protected pdfs, loaded onto servers and also posted on our customer 
web portal.

I'm wondering how members of this group deliver customer-facing documents. Do 
you use pdfs? If so, do you secure those pdfs? If you secure them, how do you 
accommodate in-house colleagues who request unsecured pdfs so they can extract 
pages and images?

Thanks in advance for your responses.

Joyce

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RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Hmmm … I don’t know how to answer your questions for certain, but can make a 
few comments.


1.  I have not tried with a file/book “built from scratch” yet – will see 
if that makes a difference. This is, however, a royal pain, since it is far 
easier to start from an existing book to create a new one 9keeps stuff 
“consistent”!

2.  OTOH, I am not creating any new documents in FrameMaker (moved process 
to LaTeX to avoid the FM pricing problem in the future), so this may be moot.

3.  A tiny few of my documents have evolved over time from FrameMaker 4 
(from when I began using FM again on Windows).

4.  Many of my docs started from FrameMaker 6 era though – just upgraded 
over time as I edited them for updates, etc.

5.  A few are brand-new in FrameMaker 9,10 and 11 (and then moved to 12 for 
updates).

6.  Regardless, it is always easier to simply start with an existing folder 
containing the book/files from another document, to begin work on a new doc. 
This makes it easier to get exactly the templates, paragraph and font formats, 
colors, etc., that I want … for a consistent look and feel.

7.  My files are very clean now – for example, some have had the master 
pages fonts changed to ensure that only the fonts I want are included in the 
PDF, etc.

8.  When editing a document for updates, I do the occasional “Save As” and 
MIF-washes too … to clear up stuff.

The result so far is that with RGB mode selected, I get what I want/expect in 
the PDF. With CMYK, italic paragraphs have kerning removed; intra-links and 
extra-links (to URL’s) are missing; some text fonts lose the bolding (yes, I 
use a Character Format for “Bold”), etc.

However, I have not been comprehensive about all this yet, so will confirm 
everything soon. I may also go back to a backup tape and see if can find the 
specific FM docs I used to sent to Adobe (somebody in India) and see how end up 
do in 12.0.4 … will have to wait till next week for some time though.

Z

From: Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 5:22 AM
To: Davis, David
Cc: Denis Daly; Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); 
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

Syed,
Are these brand new files created by FM12, or are these files you converted 
from an earlier version? I ask because I've discovered that (at least for me) 
the text-searchable SVG graphic bug, which is listed as fixed for FM12, is only 
fixed if you're talking about new documents. None of the documents I have that 
were converted from FM10 to FM12 will produce PDFs with text-searchable SVG 
graphics. All of the documents that are created in FM12 produce PDFs with 
searchable SVG graphics.

So far I've determined that MIF-washing doesn't fix this, that you can't simply 
import the contents of the FM10 file into the FM12 file, and that you can't 
copy  paste using the Frame Interchange Format. Copy  pasting as Unicode text 
does work, but of course you then have to reapply all your formatting tags and 
recreate all your xrefs and conditionaled content. Oddly, you can copy and 
paste the tables in without causing an issue.

Note that my company's workflow is to use unstructured FM with embedded 
graphics; I do not know if this applies to structured FM or XML files or 
referenced graphics.

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:18 AM, Davis, David 
david.da...@non.schneider-electric.commailto:david.da...@non.schneider-electric.com
 wrote:
If people have a problem with a specific bug, I really would recommend logging 
it in the Adobe bug tracker.
When I logged my CMYK issue, there was already one other bug report in there 
for the same thing, and I did get a fix within about 3 months,
which is a pretty good turnaround for a behemoth like FrameMaker!
The more people log a bug. the higher a priority it will get with their dev 
team.

David

From: Denis Daly [d.d...@icpnewtech.commailto:d.d...@icpnewtech.com]
Sent: 27 February 2015 08:56
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net); 
Davis, David; framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

Please keep us informed of your experiences with the CMYK issue Syed.

I (along with many others) was hoping this latest update would have solved the 
problem.

Denis

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RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Okay, I just did some testing ... the CMYK bug at Acrobat PDF output is NOT 
fixed in FrameMaker 12.0.4 as far as I can tell.

My output PDF still shows the problem, although I cannot tell anymore if some 
things were fixed, since I deleted my old test output files.

FWIW, I do get a lot of error messages sent to the FrameMaker console with CMYK 
selected (none with RGB selected), so I will look to see if there is something 
there that points me in the right direction.

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Davis, David
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 12:36 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

Alison,
I've been using Frame 12.0.4 from the day it came out, as it fixed the Save as 
CMYK PDF bug, which was clobbering my workflow.
Have still gotten crashes with 12.0.4 but twas ever thus... I just send the 
crash log to fmer...@adobe.com and keep smiling.
David

Message: 14
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 22:57:42 +
From: Craig, Alison alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?
Message-ID:
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Hi:

I was just looking at the Adobe site and came across a January 30, 2015 
announcement for Frame update 12.0.4. Did I miss it when the List was notified 
- or was the List notified?

So what I want to know is - has anyone started using this update yet? Is it 
stable?

Alison

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RE: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Mif2Go is free now - courtesy of Jeremy's will and his family supported us in 
this effort. There is a small team of people getting the courage up to continue 
supporting it for future releases. The Omni Systems site has the info necessary 
to use Mif2Go.

With FrameMaker 12, there is one upgrade required to the latest Mif2Go download 
to make it work - one or two of the DLL's need to be updated. I forget which, 
but the information should be there at the site.

If not, please let us know and I will dig for it.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Ryan
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 2:34 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

Thank you to everyone who commented on my question.   Looks like I may have 
been underestimating the Mif2go program I have already!

I did a quick, non-scientific convert to Word comparison two or three years 
ago of FrameMaker 11 demo vs. Acrobat save as Word vs. Mif2go, and none of 
them really floated my boat at the time.  But having configured Mif2go to 
generate our online help quite nicely from FrameMaker I did gain a lot of 
respect for its capabilities.  The book describing how to use it is a bit 
daunting though!  Thank you for purchasing a Boeing 747; here are your 
operating instructions.

I'm looking for a Word conversion that's not a Word house of cardsI need 
something that can be editable and won't frustrate the editor with thousands of 
extraneous chewing gum formats whose sole purpose is surface look and not 
re-usability.  The Acrobat save as word output was laughable in that it seemed 
to duplicate the look of our FrameMaker documents perfectly, but simple things 
like word wrap from line to line and page to page were apparently not thought 
necessary by Adobe.  The documents would explode if you actually tried to 
change anything in Word.

We have a lot of complex graphics in our Frame files:  For example, frames 
containing a screen shot, arrows, text boxes, cross references, etc. (the 
works).  Flare conversion seems to ignore or mishandle any graphic in which the 
screen shot is not alone in its Frame.  My memory is these other programs may 
also have trouble converting complex graphics.  Still,  there are a lot of 
configurable variables in Mif2go that I have not researched deeply.  So I will.

My Mif2Go version is from 2010.  Might an upgrade to Jeremy Griffith's last 
produced version be beneficial?  Is it even available anymore now that Jeremy 
Has passed?

Thank you again everyone!

Kevin Ryan
Technical Writer
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RE: How do you type a dash em in FM12

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

In stock Word, it is usually three dashes to get to an em-dash, two dashes gets 
you an en-dash (a different character). This is using the auto-correct feature, 
and you can change its behavior pretty easily too.

Plus (at least in Word 2013 and Office 2013 products) typing a space, dash, 
space followed by another word and then a space converts the space, dash, 
space to space, en-dash, space. Not sure which option selects this behavior, 
but I don't think it is auto-correct, since the change is elsewhere compared to 
the text entry location. It is also quite specific - having extra (or missing 
one) spaces before or after the dash does not work, for example.

In FrameMaker, I just use the ALT 0151 key sequence to get an em-dash. There is 
also a menu pull-down that allows you to insert various common symbols - not 
just an em-dash.

Z

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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: How do you type a dash em in FM12

In earlier versions of Word, when you typed 2 hyphens (--) it would 
automatically convert to a dash em. Is there any way to do the same or similar 
in FM12?




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RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

I have not seen any announcement on it - just realized it was there myself. 
I'll install it and give it a try.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig, Alison
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 2:58 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

Hi:

I was just looking at the Adobe site and came across a January 30, 2015 
announcement for Frame update 12.0.4. Did I miss it when the List was notified 
- or was the List notified?

So what I want to know is - has anyone started using this update yet? Is it 
stable?

Alison
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RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

So far, it seems to be working. I updated a largish book with about 15 files 
inside, and created a new PDF, etc., without issues.

But, I didn't check to see if the RGB/CMYK option selection issue during the 
PDF output was fixed or not.

Z

From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 3:57 PM
To: 'Craig, Alison'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

I have not seen any announcement on it - just realized it was there myself. 
I'll install it and give it a try.

Z

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 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig, Alison
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 2:58 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

Hi:

I was just looking at the Adobe site and came across a January 30, 2015 
announcement for Frame update 12.0.4. Did I miss it when the List was notified 
- or was the List notified?

So what I want to know is - has anyone started using this update yet? Is it 
stable?

Alison
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RE: Deactivate not available for Framemaker 10

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Yeah. I'd suggest right-clicking the FrameMaker executable, selecting Run as 
Administrator, starting FrameMaker, and see if the menu item for Deactivation 
is still grayed out.

Z

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Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 11:37 AM
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Subject: Deactivate not available for Framemaker 10

Hi Tammy,
Check your user ID permissions on the laptop. I believe Administrator 
permissions are required to Deactivate.

Hope that helps!

Jasmine Graham
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:29:15 -0700
From: Tammy Van Boening tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Deactivate not available for for Framemaker 10
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HI All,

I have two Win 7, 64 bit machines (one desktop and one laptop) both with 
Framemaker 10 installed, all patched and current. I need to deactivate the 
instance of FM 10 on the laptop so that I can install and activate it on a 
second laptop. When I open the instance of FM 10 on the desktop, the Deactivate 
option is available from the Help menu. Great, but I do not want to deactivate 
this instance. When I open the instance of FM 10 on the laptop, the Deactivate 
option is grayed-out and no matter what I do, I cannot get to become enabled. I 
have closed and reopened FM multiple times, I have opened and closed existing 
FM documents, I have created and saved new FM documents, but no joy.

I can't deactivate the FM instance on my desktop . . .it has to be the one on 
the laptop.

Any thoughts or suggestions?

TIA,

TVB

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RE: Conditional text by paragraph tag?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Scott Prentice said:

If you want real backups, you need to set up a mechanism for copying the 
current files elsewhere for safe keeping.

Indeed!

(As I recall, we discussed this recently) ... my approach is an Archive 
folder below the book folder to which I copy everything before each edit 
session, so I can roll back if needed. And a separate Windows-level backup 
system (I highly recommend ShadowProtect from StorageCraft - but there are 
others) to store away changed files twice a day, with a 3 month rolling storage.

Z

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Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 2:21 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Conditional text by paragraph tag?

I think that the idea of the FM backup files is to provide *something* in 
case the current file gets corrupted in some way. It's better to lose the last 
edits to a file than to have the current (possibly corrupt) file overwrite what 
was a good file.

Perhaps instead of calling these filename.backup.fm it should have been 
filename.lastgood.fm.

If you want real backups, you need to set up a mechanism for copying the 
current files elsewhere for safe keeping.

...scott




On 2/11/15 2:10 PM, Fred Ridder wrote:
David Artman wrote:
5) Generate output and peruse. DO NOT save FM files yet! If it boked a couple 
of times, fix thm; if it borked a ton; rollback to your 
backup.fmhttp://backup.fm files (you DO automatically save 
backup.fmhttp://backup.fm files every save, rght? ;) )

No, in fact I *don't* let FrameMaker generate .backup.fm files because they 
aren't really backups. They are just renamed versions of the *previous* saved 
version of the file.

Say you open a document FileA.fm. You make a whole slew of changes, and then do 
a Save. You figure that the newly saved FileA.fm is identical to 
FileA.backup.fm because you had FrameMaker make a backup upon saving, right. 
Wrong. FileA.backup.fm is the *original* file that you opened, *before* you 
made any changes to it. The backup is always one set of changes behind the 
content that a real backup would have in it. (And since Frame won't even let 
you do a Save unless you've changed *something*, the current saved version and 
the backup can *never* be identical.) So rolling back to the automatic 
backup will actually lose you the last set of changes that were in your last 
save.

-Fred Ridder




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RE: Basic question: Book revision best practices

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Hmmm … I should have phrased my comment better … during the PDF generation 
process, I set/select the correct file name (with version numbers if needed) 
for the output PDF file.

As far as I can tell, the inter-document links do not break then. (I suppose I 
could also fix them in the other PDF’s later too, but have not needed to.)

So, I still prefer not to rename the book file itself – no reason to do so, 
given my use of separate folders.

Z

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Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 7:11 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); Tim Pann; 
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Subject: RE: Basic question: Book revision best practices

One note:

 If needed, I simply rename the output PDF filename if I want to have the 
 version number in the name.

Doing this breaks inter-document links, if you generated a set of PDFs while 
all of their BOOK files were open (the easiest way to do it). I firmly advicate 
naming your BOOK to match your final PDF; and only using letters, numbers, 
underscores (_) and hyphens (-) in the file names (mainly for OS 
interoperability and clean-looking URLs).

YMMV:
David
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RE: Basic question: Book revision best practices

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Yes! I totally agree with using variables for version numbers, release dates, 
and the like, inside the documents – I was going to mention this too, but 
forgot!

Similarly, NONE of the files have version numbers “encoded” in their file names.

But, since the files and book for each version are in separate folders, I DON’T 
have to put the version number in the file name of the book either. If needed, 
I simply rename the output PDF filename if I want to have the version number in 
the name.

BTW, using variables works beautifully to update ALL locations where any bit of 
information needs to be correct, and easily updated for the next version, etc.

And, in some specifications, I use variables for critical stuff that MUST be 
“consistent” throughout the document. So, while some of my simpler documents 
have only a few variables, there are others (not long docs either!) that have 
near 800 to 1000 variables.

As a direct result, the ability to manage variables at the book level using 
BookVars from Leximation (thank you, Scott Prentice!) is absolutely essential 
to me. This is my most-oft-used add-on to FrameMaker and heartily endorsed!

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Artman
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 1:44 PM
To: Tim Pann; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Basic question: Book revision best practices

HUGE subject, but I'll just note one element:

 Now I want to make changes, so it will become version 1.1. What do best 
 practices say to do? I assume save all content, TOC, and title files as new 
 v1-1 files. Should I create a new v1-1 book file into which the v1-1 
 content goes? Or should the book file itself be version agnostic?

I'd recommend eactly the opposite:
* Do NOT use any version-specific text in FM file names.
* DO use version-specific names in the BOOK files (as that's what the PDF will 
eventually be called; and renaming a PDF post-generation breaks inter-document 
links). Just make a copy of the previous BOOK file, rename it to the next 
version, and archive the old BOOK file (or not, whatever).
* Control ALL references to version in FM files with variables, that you can 
easily change them BOOK-wide with Import Formats (Variables only).
* OPTIONAL: Use Conditions to maintain version-specific changes: Deprecated 
and New are sufficient for most stuff and allow for highlighting changes in 
review; and if you need to note when/why, add a Release Condition in which 
you note (e.g., [Removed in v1.1 per John Doe] or [Workaround no longer 
needed; fixed in v1.1]).
A more-complex Conditional version-tracking would require you to manage a lot 
more (i.e., you could end up with a nightmare of overlapping conditionality for 
persistent features with minor tweaks each release). If you are already doing 
something to archive (ZIP up and stow away, even) each version's full set of 
working files, it's trivial to roll back, and you do not reeally need such 
'always-visible' deltas fwith a single, canonical set of working files.

Again, HUGE subject, and I onl touched on the simplest method of maintining 
version history and simplify review for your SMEs.

HTH;
David
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RE: Zoom in Frame 12

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Perhaps all you have to do is a few more clicks on what Craig suggested. I just 
tried this and it worked for me pretty easily.

First, select all the files in the book.

Next, use the View-Zoom-Fit Page in Window - this gets them all to the same 
zoom level.

Next, use the View-Zoom-In (or View-Zoom-Out too, I suppose) a few times - 
does not take many of these at all - till the displayed file gets to the zoom 
level you want (in my case, this is usually 120 or 140%).

Save.

Then, all the files in that book are at the correct zoom level for your needs.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig, Alison
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 4:29 PM
To: Craig Ede; framers
Subject: RE: Zoom in Frame 12

Nice try Craig - but no. If you zoom out this way, it seems to simply zoom out 
each file 1 level (based on my settings).

I thought you were supposed to be able to set everything to a specific level 
all at the same time - which would be very.

Right now I'm working with files that are back from the translators and it's a 
pain to have to go to each file and set it to a specific zoom level.

But thanks for trying.

Alison


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From: Craig Ede [mailto:craig...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 3:28 PM
To: Craig, Alison; framers
Subject: RE: Zoom in Frame 12

This is from memory, so bear with me if this is not exactly correct. Select all 
the files within the book file, go to View  Zoom and pick the size.

Craig

From: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.commailto:alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Zoom in Frame 12
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 22:09:59 +
FM 12 Version: 12.0.2.389
Unstructured
OS: Windows 7, 64 bit

I thought I remembered reading that with Frame 12, it was possible to set the 
zoom on all files in a book in one step. If that's true, I can't find the 
instructions in the Frame 12 manual.

Did I imagine this or is it possible? And if so, how do you do it?

Alison

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RE: PDF Issue

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Still a bug ... no fix provided.

Z

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Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 6:42 AM
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Subject: PDF Issue

Hi,

Does anyone have any update on the following response, to a query I posted a 
couple of months ago?

2: The response from an Adobe person here was that the Save as PDF using CMYK 
has a bug (that they have been able to reproduce). No fix indication yet.

I am still unable to save a PDF using CMYK. It will save fine using RGB setting.

Any advice is appreciated.

Kind regards,
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RE: FM 10 sometimes changes graphics paths

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Winfried Reng said:
However, I do not know how FrameMaker gets the path
to the orginal graphics files.
Does this happen only, if another file is open which points to
the graphics files of the copied file?
Otherwise I wonder how FrameMaker can find out where the
graphics files are located.

That part of detecting the absolute file location is easy. After a program 
accessing a file (through all the relative references), determining the 
absolute location of a file is trivial in code.

The truncation mentioned by Harro is troublesome though.

Also, there is a path length limit in Windows - I thought it was 256 
characters, but may be 64 characters? And this does not explain the network 
file name issue mentioned ...

I'll look ...

Z

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Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 10:35 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM 10 sometimes changes graphics paths


hi all,

I recently ran into an issue: we received a set of FrameMaker files for 
translation. After we sent the translated files back to the customer, they 
complained that all of the image paths in their files were changed.
They were using relative paths that had lots  of 'parent' references:
..\..\..\..\..\..\Graphics\etc

When I received these files, I placed them in a directory 4 levels deep:

F:\Customer\project\translation\incoming\blah.fm

When I opened this file Frame asked for the location of external graphics. I 
selected 'Ignore all missing files' and saved the file as MIF.
When I inspected the MIF, the graphics paths were truncated to
..\..\..\..\Graphics\etc

So the path gets truncated to the number of levels available from the current 
location.

When I store the file on an UNC path, it gets worse:
\\Server\Customer\project\translation\incoming\blah.fmfile:///\\Server\Customer\project\translation\incoming\blah.fm
graphics paths:
\\Graphics\etcfile:///\\Graphics\etc

In my opinion, this is a bug. When I select 'Ignore all missing files', Frame 
should leave the existing paths alone.

Has anyone else seen the same behavior?
Harro de Jong




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RE: Setup has detected . . .

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

A SWAG:

After you de-install the applications, please run CCleaner (free version is at 
www.piriform.comhttp://www.piriform.com) and see if this helps remove any 
issues in the Windows registry that are causing the problem you are 
experiencing.

During registry cleaning (second tab in the app), please uncheck the “Unused 
File Extensions” option though – my experience is that this causes me 
difficulties.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Ken Poshedly
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 8:41 PM
To: Fred Ridder
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Setup has detected . . .

Nope (to your first paragraph questions).

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 2, 2015, at 11:32 PM, Fred Ridder 
docu...@hotmail.commailto:docu...@hotmail.com wrote:
Do you by any chance have Adobe Reader X or Adobe Reader XI installed? Either 
of these would be detected by the Acrobat 9 installer as a newer Adobe 
application for reading PDFs, and most likely cause it to bail out of the 
Acrobat installation.

And FWIW, Acrobat 9 had some security issues that may or may not have been 
patched because version 9 is now two versions out of date.

-Fred Ridder

Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 19:38:58 -0800
From: poshe...@bellsouth.netmailto:poshe...@bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: Setup has detected . . .
To: tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.commailto:tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Hey Tom,

At this time, I have not yet re-installed FM10 and still canNOT reinstall 
Acrobat 9 Pro without getting that damn popup.

And remember, after clicking OK on the (Setup has detected ...) popup 
window, the main Acrobat setup window returns to present only a Finish button 
and when you click on it, the whole thing closes.

No choices are presented at any time as to whether you want to install this or 
that.

And I'm well-aware of what you said about FM pdf printing so that's not an 
issue.

Thanks for the reply and let me know of any other ideas.

-- Ken in Atlanta

On Friday, January 2, 2015 10:27 PM, 
tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.commailto:tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com 
tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.commailto:tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com wrote:

Ken, I had a similar problem, but with FM12. The solution was to make sure you 
uninstall Acrobat 9 and restart. The when you load FM make sure not to enable 
pdf printing. Load acrobat next.

Tom Beiswenger
Manager, technical  training documentation
Bucher Emhart Glass

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 2, 2015, at 10:08 PM, Ken Poshedly 
poshe...@bellsouth.netmailto:poshe...@bellsouth.net wrote:
I recently (earlier this week) upgraded my home platform with a new motherboard 
(MSI A88X-G43), 64-bit Windows 7 and 16 GB of RAM on the recommendation of a 
friend who's en electrical engineer and services control systems at various 
industrial plants across the southeastern U.S. His house is probably wired 
better than any computer store. And he has helped out at various times in the 
past, so I trust his opinion.

The C-drive partition of my hard drive is for my programs and the D-drive 
partition is for my data folders and files.

Before doing the upgrade, I backed up (copied) everything from both the C and D 
drives onto my external hard drive.

I then deactivated and uninstalled FrameMaker 10, then uninstalled Acrobat 9; I 
could find nothing about deactivating it before uninstalling it.

Now, after the upgrade, I reinstalled FrameMaker 10 (using the 30-day trial 
button during these tests) and it runs fine.

But Acrobat 9 Pro will not install. Instead, right after the opening 
(splash?) screen, a popup appears with the message, Setup has detected that 
you already have a more functional product installed. Setup will now terminate 
and the OK button.

I noted that when I open an existing pdf file, it displays in HTML but exactly 
as a pdf file.

So I once more uninstalled FrameMaker 10 and even did a system restart, but 
with no luck. The same popup appears when I try to install Acrobat 9 and I 
don't know where to go from here. Is there a registry listing or something that 
I should edit? And if so, where and how?

I understand that if all else fails, I'm looking at doing a total Windows 7 
RE-install.

Cripe. What a way to start the new year.


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RE: Can FrameMaker 12 run in Linux?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Ah, darn.

Thanks for the info.

Z

-Original Message-
From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf 
Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 9:15 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); Framers
Subject: Re: Can FrameMaker 12 run in Linux?

Doesn't look like it, which doesn't surprise me:

https://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/search?name=framemakersearch=app:

https://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/search/?name=adobe+acrobatsearch=app

On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:

 Has anyone successfully run FrameMaker 12 on any version/distribution 
 of Linux? If so, which version and what did you do to make it possible?
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Can FrameMaker 12 run in Linux?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Not having received any answers at all, I will generalize this question a bit. 
:)

Has anyone successfully run FrameMaker 12 on any version/distribution of Linux? 
If so, which version and what did you do to make it possible?

Please and Thanks!

Z

From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 12:13 AM
Cc: Framers
Subject: Can FrameMaker 12 run under Wine (on Ubuntu distribution of Linux)?

Has anyone successfully done the above?

i.e., installed FrameMaker and Acrobat using Wine under Ubuntu? And made it 
work pretty much cleanly?

Z
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RE: Save as PDF not working for particular directory

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

For many, many years now, I have avoided using a comma in directory and file 
names for just this kind of problem - and not just with FrameMaker or Acrobat, 
by the way.

And, in early releases of Windows, with applications that had not yet migrated 
away from DOS 8.3 naming conventions, even a space (or too long a name) was 
often an issue.

Today, however, spaces work for most everything except for some really old 
applications (some still think that C:\ root directory is a good place to 
write stuff! In Windows 7 and 8, the disk root cannot be used for files if you 
are not the Administrator user).

Now, I use a space or an underscore for directory and file name separators ... 
that you are using a comma for. The underscore is best for Unix systems and 
many Windows apps too (otherwise you have to enclose the file or directory name 
in quotes), so it has become a habit for me too.

Also, a period . is best used sparingly in Windows file names as a separator, 
since the concept of a file extension to recognize the file content (this is 
not an issue for Unix) can cause problems with some applications too.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Klaus Daube
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 5:18 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Save as PDF not working for particular directory

This morning I discovered the following:
Acrobat 11 does not allow to have directory names containing a comma. This was 
not a problem with Acrobat 9.5.xx
Situation:
Using FM-12.0.3.424 to save as PDF works well except for files in a praticular
directory: D:\Private\Haus+hof\Entsorg,ERZ\Entsorgung_2015.fm creates an empty 
TPS which creates the Distiller Message [ Warning: Empty job. No PDF file 
produced.].

I was fiddling around, e.g. save as MIF, then open the MIF and Save as PDF from 
the MIF (no effect); multiple times restarted FM and even W7-x64 (no effect); 
saving the PDF to another directory (worked).
Then suddenly had the idea with the directory name. After changing the 
directory name to Entsorgung+ERZ (no comma, but +) everything is fine again...

IMHO this is a bug, as on windows a comma is allowed in directory names.
~~
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RE: Deleting Variables at the Book Level

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

I would strongly recommend using BookVars from Leximation for this purpose – 
best tool I have in my FrameMaker portfolio.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tony Marek (PDF)
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 12:35 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Deleting Variables at the Book Level

Hello all –  Second question in one week:
Is there any easy way to delete obsolete variables from the variables library 
at the book level (Frame 12)?

I’m trying to create a consistent list of variables across all chapters in a 
book and I can’t find a way to do the deletions except chapter-by-chapter. 
Importing variables from one up-to-date chapter to others does not perform any 
deletions of variables not on the source/master file.

Thanks,
~Tony
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RE: why view on phone WAS: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

You can sometimes tell from the PDF properties ... I always find it interesting 
when I see stuff that tells me that people don't trust their own [editing and 
other] tools! :)

But in this case, the meta-data for Using-FrameMaker-12.pdf says it was created 
by Application: FrameMaker 12.0.3 using Acrobat Distiller 11.0 (Windows).

Z

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 12:07 PM
To: Craig Ede; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: why view on phone WAS: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally 
revamped

I'm curious about one thing (well, more than just one; but one thing in the 
current context...):
Has Adobe ever actually said that they use FrameMaker produce the FrameMaker 
documentation?

I know that Microsoft has never made any such statement about the MS Word 
documentation, and for years there have been two persistent rumors about this; 
one is that they use a proprietary in-house tool or system, and another is that 
they use FrameMaker.

-FR
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RE: Text Inset vs. Variable Question (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

I also thoroughly endorse BookVars - it is definitely the most highly used 
add-on to FrameMaker for me!

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 1:57 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Text Inset vs. Variable Question (UNCLASSIFIED)

It sounds like you are on the right track, using a single file to create 
variables and then importing them. Too bad you can't install third party 
software, because I think the only way to make this easier would be to use the 
inexpensive BookVars plugin:

http://leximation.com/tools/info/bookvars.php

Mike Wickham
On 12/10/2014 1:58 PM, Zacchetti, Maeli E CIV USARMY ECBC (US) wrote:
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: FOUO
I'm getting back to unstructured FrameMaker 10 (after two years of having to 
use MS Word). So apologies if I don't use some of the correct terms or if I'm 
misunderstanding some of FrameMaker's capabilities!

I'm doing the planning work for converting a technical manual from MS Word into 
FrameMaker 10. The system has over 100 parts, currently each part has two to 
five different variations on the name scattered throughout the manual, so a 
huge component of this conversion is getting the nomenclature down to a single 
version of each part name. Since most of the names will change at some point in 
the next year my goal is a single point of edit for each part name, to save 
some headaches down the road.

On previous projects I've used ~20 part name variables (created in a master 
file, then applied to each *.fm file through a book update) and then inserted 
that part's variable any time I need to use the part name.  For this project 
with 100+ parts it seems like that could start getting painful, just in terms 
of scrolling through a massive variable list.

I was thinking that I could use text insets as another option, if it were 
possible to import from a single cell in a table (e.g. excel file). That would 
let me use the spreadsheet that I'd have to create anyway for planning out the 
variables (and internal tracking of what name I'm assigning to a given part 
number).

In the past I've used text insets to reference repeated short paragraphs, using 
a series of individual text documents to hold each paragraph. So I guess I 
could do the same thing again, but then I'd end up with 100+ text files, which 
seems like a different kind of inconvenient compared to the 100+ variables.

One major limitation: with my organization's network policies I cannot install 
3rd party software, and the review and approval process to purchase extensions 
or supplements to Adobe's software would be so arduous that it may as well be 
impossible. So I'm limited to what I can do without having to install anything 
else.

Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated! (Or even advice on where I 
could go to read up on the various ways to effectively manage nomenclature 
updates in unstructured FrameMaker.)


Thanks,

Maeli Zacchetti

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RE: How to Create Bibliography in FM?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Yes! I use bibLaTeX and LaTeX for articles like this too.

Of course, this is not WYSIWYG, and you have to learn LaTeX, but the PDF output 
is super clean and consistent indeed.

To edit LaTeX input files, I highly recommend TeXStudio - the virtually 
instantaneous PDF generation (with side-by-side clickable comparison to the 
source) makes it easy. Almost WYSIWYG in its speed.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan Litchfield
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 12:47 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: How to Create Bibliography in FM?

Hi,

FM has never really been that great with such tasks. If it is an article you 
are writing in which you are going to cite references and you want a coherent 
style, then I would suggest using bibTeX/LaTeX or bibLaTeX/LaTeX.

However if you are wedded to FM then you can export your text from FM as rtf 
and use one of the MS Word linked applications like EndNote. Newer versions of 
Word have a built in referencing engine that I have not used but others say is 
pretty good. Given that amount of work you may be just as well to go with the 
above suggestion or type and format the references by hand. At least in FM you 
can define paragraph and character styles relative to the reference formats.

Alan

On 12/12/14 9:34 am, Orly Zimmerman wrote:
 HI All,

 I have been given a task to create a bibliography for an article I'm 
 writing. I would like to use Framemaker, but I have no idea how I get 
 all the footnotes on the last pages of the file or in an appendix file 
 as opposed to on the page where the footnote was created.

 I don't mind writing out the Bibliography entry (I understand that 
 there are different formats - as long as I stick to one format, I just 
 add them as I create the article). Now I'm up to 6 different bib's. 
 I'll cite it from page 1, and then cite from page 3 (using an x-ref in 
 Footnote style); so page 3 needs to go back to page 1 to see the 
 footnote. This doesn't look right. And I will probably site the same 
 footnote later on in the doc as well.

 Any ideas?

 Thanks!

 Orly Zimmerman



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RE: What is the situation with regards to buying used versions of FrameMaker?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Ah, yes, I misremembered the e-mails - it was Scott Prentice's:

 Once a license has been upgraded, it's no longer able to be transferred, and 
 would not be a legal license.
 ...
 ...scott

Sorry about that, Robert!

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 9:36 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: What is the situation with regards to buying used versions of 
FrameMaker?

That's true, but I didn't say it.

FrameMaker 8 added Unicode support, which was a pretty radical change as 
regards fonts.

FrameMaker 9 introduced the bad UI layer and lots of bugs that have never been 
fixed.

On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:
 Once a version 7.2 license has been used for an upgrade, it is no 
 longer available for sale (or transfer of license) any more – Robert 
 Lauriston is right about that.
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Can FrameMaker 12 run under Wine (on Ubuntu distribution of Linux)?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Has anyone successfully done the above?

i.e., installed FrameMaker and Acrobat using Wine under Ubuntu? And made it 
work pretty much cleanly?

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RE: What is the situation with regards to buying used versions of FrameMaker?

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Hi, Hedley.

Once a version 7.2 license has been used for an upgrade, it is no longer 
available for sale (or transfer of license) any more – Robert Lauriston is 
right about that.

But, as it happens, I have some 7.2 licenses (and the original Adobe disks) 
which were not upgraded, so can make those available if you want to buy one (or 
more?).

I had posted here about these some time back, but our IT guys were slow in 
figuring out what to do at Adobe to get them transferred, so I could not follow 
up with the person who was interested in purchasing them.

In any case, I can probably find these disks fairly quickly. If you can find 
out from Adobe what you might need from me to make the license transfer happen 
– since these were never used for upgrades – and are interested in getting one 
or two, please let me know.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Hedley Finger
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 5:45 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: What is the situation with regards to buying used versions of 
FrameMaker?

I was thinking that there may be someone who bought a version, say 9, then did 
not upgrade for a a few years and the ability to upgrade had expired.  If that 
person then bought a later version -- by necessity, not being able to upgrade 
-- it seems to me that they could transfer the licence for the older version, 
say 9, without any difficulties.

By the way, does anybody have a support email address?  I tried to find one but 
kept being sent round in circles, continually being directed back to community 
support, which ain't what's wanted.  I just want to try out the above scenario 
on someone official at Adobe who can give a definitive answer.

I am now living on a pension so cannot afford either the educational or full 
price of a new release.

Regards,
Hedley

On 8 December 2014 at 09:59, Hedley Finger 
hedley.fin...@gmail.commailto:hedley.fin...@gmail.com wrote:
FrameMaker 7.2 was the last version I used, but the licence belonged to my 
employer. Now I want to start using it again but don't want to pay for 12.0.

But there may be people out there who have successively upgraded to 12.0 who 
still have a 10.0, 9.0, or 8.0 installer CD in a drawer which is no longer 
upgradeable to 12.0. Are they legitimately able to transfer their 9.0 licence 
(say) and CD to another person?

I googled for used copies of FrameMaker but the hits all looked very dodgy, and 
were possibly vehicles for installing viruses.

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RE: mouse alternative

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Yeah! I have an older version of this keyboard - was called something else 
(Microsoft Natural Wireless Keyboard or some such thing). This is at work where 
I do most of my editing and typing and stuff.

My home keyboard is an old Dell standard one ... just an okay keyboard, but I 
don't do a lot of editing on it (just using it now for example), so not too 
painful.

I just bought a Kensington Expert Trackball based on recommendations here to 
check out. Only one place (at home so far) so still getting used to it. 
Surprisingly, going back and forth from home (trackball) to work (large 
Microsoft mouse) is not proving too difficult - my hand memories are getting 
trained to both. Sorta like the fact that I can drive on both sides of the road 
(right here and left in UK).

Only one confusion ... I downloaded the software from Kensington, but it does 
not allow me to set the upper left or upper keys. Or at least working the way I 
have them set in the software. Thoughts and suggestions?

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Davis, David
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 1:22 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: mouse alternative 

I had horrible RSI in my mouse-clicking finger back in the bad-old-days of 
mechanical mice.
Modern optical mice have made things a lot better, and I changed mouse-hands to 
become ambi-mousetrous too, which all helped...

I've been using this Microsoft ergonomic keyboard and mouse for the past 
year, I'm getting on pretty well with it.
The keyboard is sloped and has a gap in the middle, so your hands turn a bit 
sideways rather than horizontal over the keys - it's a less stressful position.
The mouse is also kind of sideways, so your hand sits in a natural rest 
position.  Costs a bit more than ordinary ones, but I felt it was worth it.

http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-gb/p/sculpt-ergonomic-desktop/L5V-6

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RE: mouse alternative

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Is there a driver available for a Windows laptop (for the Apple Trackpad, that 
is)?

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan Litchfield
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I like the Apple Track Pad

https://www.apple.com/magictrackpad/

Alan

On 12/11/14 4:42 am, Stuart Rogers wrote:
 Hi all,

  From time to time, people have mentioned problems with RSI due to 
 mouse use. I just came across this device and thought I'd pass it 
 along. I have no other info on it, so can't offer a review.

 https://deals.inetinteractive.com/sales/feather-mouse-the-swift-browsi
 ng-experience


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RE: mouse alternative

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Which trackball do people use and like?

I have been thinking of switching, but I need to find something relatively 
small since I travel a lot. My laptop pad does not cut it - too much in the 
center (the usual compromise for right and left handed people),

At present, I use a small Microsoft Bluetooth mouse - wireless and fits well in 
my laptop case. At my desk, I dock the laptop and have a larger Microsoft 
wireless mouse.

But, would like to try a trackpad - small for travel would be nice. 

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 9:03 AM
To: Framers
Subject: Re: mouse alternative

Using a mouse makes my shoulder stiff and after a half hour or so I'm in 
serious pain. I don't think that gizmo would help. I switched to trackballs 
over 20 years ago.

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wrote:
 Hi all,

 From time to time, people have mentioned problems with RSI due to mouse use.
 I just came across this device and thought I'd pass it along. I have 
 no other info on it, so can't offer a review.

 https://deals.inetinteractive.com/sales/feather-mouse-the-swift-browsi
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RE: mouse alternative

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Thanks! My son has an Apple Trackpad on his iMac, so I'll borrow it and give it 
a try. :)

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Alan Litchfield
Sent: 2014-11-11 12:03 PM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: mouse alternative

Actually, I am not sure. I use it with VirtualBox or Bootcamp.

There is this: http://support.apple.com/en-us/ht4273

This is also this:
http://www.trackpadmagic.com/magic-trackpad/help/driver-installation

And this:
http://www.labnol.org/software/apple-magic-trackpad-with-windows/14158/

Alan

On 12/11/14 7:26 am, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote:
 Is there a driver available for a Windows laptop (for the Apple Trackpad, 
 that is)?

 Z

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 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan Litchfield
 Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 8:03 AM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: mouse alternative

 I like the Apple Track Pad

 https://www.apple.com/magictrackpad/

 Alan

 On 12/11/14 4:42 am, Stuart Rogers wrote:
 Hi all,

   From time to time, people have mentioned problems with RSI due to
 mouse use. I just came across this device and thought I'd pass it
 along. I have no other info on it, so can't offer a review.

 https://deals.inetinteractive.com/sales/feather-mouse-the-swift-browsi
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RE: Workspaces

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Stuart Rogers wrote:


Ø  I recommend Search Everything from http://voidtools.com/
You can search for *.fws and find all the zillion places where Adobe scatters 
the files.

Another approach. In a DOS command window, do the following:

cd \
   dir /s/p *.fws

This is quite fast on an SSD drive, but may take a bit longer otherwise. You 
will get a complete list of all files that have that extension. There are a 
bunch – the following are the folders and files I found on my system for 
FrameMaker:

C:\Users\Zcd \

C:\dir /s/p *.fws
Volume in drive C is Disk_C
Volume Serial Number is 5CD9-F6B7

Directory of C:\Program Files 
(x86)\Adobe\AdobeFrameMaker12\fminit\WorkSpaces\Structured\AuthorView

09/14/2012  01:43 PM 1,857 Authoring.fws
09/14/2012  01:43 PM   186 none.fws
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RE: what to back up before reinstalling

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Hmmm, instead of having to worry about all the details (although the 
Linguistics folder is an exception – I was not aware of that), why not simply 
make a complete copy of the folder that FrameMaker 12 is installed in?

That is trivially simple to do. Then you have a complete copy to retrieve from 
as needed.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Spreadbury
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 5:49 AM
To: Reng, Dr. Winfried; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: what to back up before reinstalling

Carol,
First and foremost your maker.ini. This one is a MUST.
If you have ANY plugins installed, at a minimum, the \fminit\plugins folder. 
Wouldn't hurt to take the entire \fminit folder, to go along with Winfrieds 
suggestion.
If you have ANY customized templates, that you copied to the Framemaker12 
templates folder for ease in locating them, the \Templates folder.
If you have ANY customized Structured applications, the \Structure folder.

Before you uninstall your current Framemaker12, you might want to just try 
re-installing. That will refresh any corrupted files.
If that doesn't work, then uninstall and re-install.
Dave

On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 4:20 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried 
wr...@tycoint.commailto:wr...@tycoint.com wrote:

Hi Carol,

I do not know whether this changed with FrameMaker 12.
However, FrameMaker 11 has its Linguistics folder not in
AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Framemaker\12, but in
AppData\LocalLow\Adobe

In the Linguistics folder there is the user dictionary which I definitely
would back up.

Best regards

Winfried

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 framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
  [mailto:framers-
 boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
 Of Carol J. Elkins
 Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 10:29 PM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: what to back up before reinstalling

 Sigh. I have to reinstall Framemaker 12 on my Win7 system. Before I
 do so, I am creating a list of all of the files that I need to back
 up so that I can restore all of my customization after I reinstall.
 Here is my list so far (not including all of the add-ins and scripts
 that are unique to my installation).

 Back up the following from
 C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Framemaker\12
  Folder WorkSpaces (specifically the .cfsw and .fws files)
  Folder Linguistics
  File consfile.txt
  File maker.ini
  File pdfsize.ini

 Back up the following from C:\Program Files
 (x86)\Adobe\AdobeFrameMaker12
  Folder Templates
  Folder fminit
  Folder plugins
  maker.ini

 Any others? I will post the final list somewhere that will serve as a
 resource to the rest of us; I've had no luck searching for such a
 list on Adobe or by Googling.

 Two additional questions: Does anyone know if backing up the
 WorkSpaces folder REALLY allows you to retrieve your custom
 workspaces after reinstall? I vaguely remember having a problem with
 this when I upgraded to FM12. And do I need to deactivate my current
 installation before reinstalling it on the same computer?

 Carol



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RE: Sundorne SetPrint - Does it work with Frame 12?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Ummm … it works for me.

Also, I just looked at the source code for SetPrint (thanks to Ian Hawkins for 
releasing it to the world!) and see no reason for it to fail in recent 
FrameMaker versions.

As an FYI, you have to have a SetPrint.ini file in the same folder where you 
have the DLL. This folder is C:\Program Files 
(x86)\Adobe\AdobeFrameMaker12\fminit\Plugins …

I just tried it and it worked fine …

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Spreadbury
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 11:35 AM
To: Craig, Alison; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Sundorne SetPrint - Does it work with Frame 12?

Craig,
I thought I had tried this when I first installed Frame 12, but just checked it 
again.
The answer is No, using the instructions that come with SetPrint.
No console message is written. Selecting File  Print points to the default 
printer, not Adobe PDF.
No errors are displayed either. It appears that SetPrint is completely ignored 
in Frame 12.
Dave
PS: It would be nice if it did though.

On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 1:25 PM, Craig, Alison 
alison.cr...@ultrasonix.commailto:alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com wrote:

Has anyone tested the Sundorne SetPrint plugin with Frame 12?

Does it work?

Alison


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RE: Sundorne SetPrint - Does it work with Frame 12?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Your e-mail below and mine “crossed in the mail”. Sorry to jump the gun a bit.

Z

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Spreadbury
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 11:41 AM
To: Craig, Alison; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Sundorne SetPrint - Does it work with Frame 12?

Craig,
Slap my hand. I was wrong.
I copied the SetPrint folder to the wrong Frame 12 folder.
It does work.
Slap my hand twice.
Sorry.
Works as advertised.

On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 1:34 PM, David Spreadbury 
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Craig,
I thought I had tried this when I first installed Frame 12, but just checked it 
again.
The answer is No, using the instructions that come with SetPrint.
No console message is written. Selecting File  Print points to the default 
printer, not Adobe PDF.
No errors are displayed either. It appears that SetPrint is completely ignored 
in Frame 12.
Dave
PS: It would be nice if it did though.

On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 1:25 PM, Craig, Alison 
alison.cr...@ultrasonix.commailto:alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com wrote:

Has anyone tested the Sundorne SetPrint plugin with Frame 12?

Does it work?

Alison


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Ultrasonix | 130-4311 Viking Way | Richmond, BC  V6V 2K9 | 
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RE: OT: Adobe Fonts (and some comments/rants on the new Adobe web-site)

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Thanks, Theresa. :)

I haven't heard from anyone at Adobe yet ... But I do hope somebody there 
slogged through it, and is willing to campaign for FrameMaker inside the 
company.

Regards,

Z

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Subject: Re: OT: Adobe Fonts (and some comments/rants on the new Adobe web-site)

Z, very nice rant. I hope SOMEONE from Adobe responds to this (be nice if they 
did on this forum too!)

Cheers,
Theresa


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RE: FrameMaker: mysterious font substitution in PDF

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Mike Wickham said:
... Helvetica from your computer-- or replace it with the OpenType version.

I am curious as to how to get hold of [newer] OTF versions of Helvetica (and 
some other old Adobe fonts that I use - like Caslon Expert) without having to 
pay an arm and a leg for it. As I recall, these fonts (with all variants) are 
darn expensive.

My current Helvetica font files are ancient Type 1 ones - I received the 
standard 35 PostScript Adobe fonts as part of two Adobe PostScript Cartridge 
purchases I made for my equally ancient and long-dead HP LaserJet II laser 
printer and other font purchases way back when. For example, The date on these 
Helvetica files are from around 1990 and 1994, etc.

So, they don't have all glyphs for today's needs for some people. Luckily, this 
has not hurt me too much, primarily because I have not had a need for Unicode 
(yet) and have a substitution in another font for the Euro glyph, but ...

I don't know if Helvetica has changed since that time, but I assume - perhaps 
incorrectly - that new glyphs have been added and/or any imperfections have 
been fixed, etc. (?) Because I do see newer releases of some Adobe other fonts 
included in their software ... with different files sizes, internal font 
versions, etc. Some recent Acrobat Pro versions in particular.

Anyway, some time back, I commented/asked here about Adobe providing font 
upgrades (with reasonable prices), and somebody from Adobe mentioned that they 
don't do that. Unfortunate! :(

I think that it is good for Adobe to (a) consider doing font upgrades for 
people who have these fonts - particular the ancient Type 1 files and/or (b) 
for the FrameMaker or Acrobat team to consider adding in the traditional 35 
fonts (in updated OTF form, of course!) from the Apple LaserWriter days, as 
part of a standard font set for FrameMaker/Acrobat.

Z
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RE: FrameMaker: mysterious font substitution in PDF

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

I said:


?  As I recall, these fonts (with all variants) are darn expensive.

For example, the current price of the Adobe Helvetic Neue Std Full Family is 
$961 in a package! ... eek!

http://store1.adobe.com/cfusion/store/html/index.cfm?event=displayFontPackagecode=1766

Z
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RE: FrameMaker: mysterious font substitution in PDF

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Robert Lauriston wrote:
 Helvetica Standard Full Family is $360 for five computers. Single fonts are 
 $29. adobe.com has PDFs showing which glyphs each font includes.
 http://store1.adobe.com/cfusion/store/html/index.cfm?store=OLS-USevent=displayFontPackagecode=1767

Yeah. I saw that ... as well as the Adobe Helvetica Neue package at over $900 
in the link I sent in my other post. 

And, Helvetica is even more expensive at the Linotype web site. Depending on 
whether you want PS or TT internals, the prices go from $9 to $35 per font ... 
adding up in a hurry!

That is just too expensive for just one font (well ... one font family is more 
accurate) for my desire to update the font. That is why I asked about not 
having to pay an arm and a leg. :)

Z

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:
 Mike Wickham said:

 … Helvetica from your computer-- or replace it with the OpenType version.

 I am curious as to how to get hold of [newer] OTF versions of 
 Helvetica (and some other old Adobe fonts that I use – like Caslon 
 Expert) without having to pay an arm and a leg for it. As I recall, 
 these fonts (with all variants) are darn expensive.
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RE: FrameMaker: mysterious font substitution in PDF

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Thanks! I will take a look at those ...

Z

Robert Lauriston wrote: 
 If you don't want to pay for Helvetica and can't stand Arial, there are some 
 other free alternatives that come closer.
 http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/602/visually-similar-alternatives-to-helvetica
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RE: Subject: OT: OMG . . . Wonderful customer service from Adobe

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Gary Zimmerman wrote:
 I can see you're upset, Dave...

ROFL ... good reference! :)

Z

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OT: Adobe Fonts (and some comments/rants on the new Adobe web-site) .... Was RE: FrameMaker: mysterious font substitution in PDF

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Fred, thanks for the links (see at the end of this post).

Separately to all: please pardon the long-winded OT stuff here! So, feel free 
to skip reading this ...

Also, please pardon (or enjoy?), some comments/rants (below) from this old 
grouch. I was exploring the Adobe web site for fonts and documents and stuff 
today ... and got a bit frustrated. With the exception of the rant, I hope the 
comments are taken as constructive, rather than severe, criticism.

RANDOM ... FONT BOOKS

Although I am not a font geek per se (at least, I'd like to think so!), I don't 
know too many bookshelves that have these in it ... mine does! :)

http://www.amazon.com/Just-My-Type-About-Fonts/dp/1592407463/ref=la_B000APTXA8_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1414200196sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Type-Library-Reference-Book/dp/0321821254/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1414200228sr=1-1keywords=Adobe+Type

The first one above, by the way, is an amusing read on fonts ... it is not a 
reference like the second one.

And I plan to get the following when I have a bit of time to read ... during a 
vacation break perhaps:

http://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Type-2nd-revised-expanded/dp/1568989695/ref=la_B001JRZFK8_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1414209050sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.com/Elements-Typographic-Style-Version-Anniversary/dp/0881792128/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1414208813sr=1-1

MY ADOBE FONTS

In the past, I have received Adobe fonts through Acrobat and FrameMaker 
upgrades, and also bought a few packages and fonts (Carta, Caslon Expert, 
Eurostile, Type Basics, Value Pack, and others). Also, some fonts were included 
in Adobe Type Manager for Windows 95 (I'm showing my age ... eek!) and its 
upgrades.

However, all of them were purchased in a Type 1 era ... before True Type and 
Open Type formats came along. And, some fonts don't work anymore - like the 
dynamic ones (Minion?) introduced in the last incarnation of ATM for Windows 
NT.

Over the years, I have settled on a much smaller set that I use most of the 
time for the few documents I work on ... the others were novelties that wore 
off in the face of getting real work done. Not surprisingly, this small set are 
the ones that are well designed and/or classics that work well.

Some of my fonts are in Open Type now, since they came with Adobe software 
upgrades. So, I have new versions of Adobe Garamond Pro, Tekton Pro, Adobe 
Caslon Pro and a few others. Good!

However, sometimes, upgrades include different font files ... the file dates 
change, the file sizes change, sometimes the font version number inside the 
font file changes ... but not consistently. Indeed, I have seen later upgrades 
of FrameMaker or Acrobat include older versions of a font than an earlier 
upgrade of the other product (hope that made sense).

Probably, what I should do is go through the fonts I still use and see what the 
price tag would be for updates. I suspect it may still be much higher than I 
would like and since I don't do much in FrameMaker anymore (am mostly using 
Word - for short new documents - and LaTeX with its default fonts - for longer 
new documents), it is not clear it would be too justifiable ... for me. YMMV, 
of course.

BTW, please don't misunderstand me here - I am not upset about Adobe's font 
pricing. Other folks charge too ... look at 
www.linotype.comhttp://www.linotype.com for examples. It is just a cost issue 
for me - YMMV.

OTOH, I don't think that font sales are a big part of Adobe revenue. So, I'd 
love to see Adobe do version upgrades for fonts (or even for older packages 
... like the Type Basics set) - that might be innovative vs. other font 
sellers. With web pages for font updates. Maybe it would help the font team 
at Adobe get a small revenue bump for their work.

That way, for me, I could make it more of an impulse buy to get my fonts 
updated - or perhaps justify it more easily anyway - than at the moment. 
Wishful thinking on my part perhaps ... since many fonts are included in the 
Creative Cloud stuff (as Adobe Typekit) now.

Z

RANTS (to Adobe)

Non-Adobe folks, please ignore and skip if you want.

major rant #1 
Adobe has a brand-new web site. Very clean and shiny and new and lots of Good 
Stuff(tm) there, yes ... if you are Creative Cloud centric!

BUT, IT IS TOUGH TO FIND INFORMATION ON FRAMEMAKER NOW! And, yes, I am SHOUTING 
here.

WTF, Adobe? Many of the product listing pages simply do not even mention 
FrameMaker (or TCS too, I suppose - I don't have that). And only one link to 
fonts ... that only goes to the Adobe Typekit ... and that is part of 
Creative Cloud.

Links on the main Adobe page (like the link to Desktop 
http://www.adobe.com/creativecloud/catalog/desktop.html) all go to Creative 
Cloud tools pages ... where there is NO mention of FrameMaker, of course.

The Menu button in the upper right shows a pop-up where the All Products 
button goes to a page without any reference to FrameMaker (or TCS). But this 
new page has a link under a tiny word 

RE: Problem with auto numbering Figures and Tables

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Pardon my asking some questions that you may already have looked at:


1.  Did you mean that you want the figure number to depend the previous 
figure number _and_ previous table number (and vice versa)? I am not sure how 
that works.

If independent, meaning Figure X is followed by Figure X+1, regardless of any 
intervening tables, then as I understand, each type of item (i.e. table and 
figure) has its independent counter ... so the table counter paragraph number 
will be taken from the previous table, for example.

As long as the following is true:


2.  Have you verified that _each_ chapter file (I am assuming it is a 
separate .fm file) has its File-Numbering-Paragraph check-box value set to 
Continue Numbering From Previous Paragraph In Book?

I am not sure if the above is the specific cause of the problem you have though.

Z

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Subject: Problem with auto numbering Figures and Tables

Esteemed colleagues,

I am running Frame 11.0.2.384 on Windows 7 Professional. I have a book with 5 
chapters that contain figures and/or tables. The book pages are numbered 
consecutively from 1 to 60+. Since I am not using folio page numbering, I want 
the Figures and Tables to be numbered consecutively as they appear in the book. 
I cannot get the numbering to work. It resets to zero in each chapter. I have 
created books like this before with no problems. This book is a problem child. 
I assume that there is some hidden misstep but I am at a loss. Any suggestions 
and advice would be appreciated. Thanks in advance for your help.

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Automated cross-reference format content (for reference to tables in paragraphs)

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Hi, all.

I was wondering if there is a way to achieve something, but I am not seeing a 
good (and ideally simple) way to do so.

Essentially, within a body paragraph, I want to be able to say (in the middle 
of other text, of course):


-' ... Table XX, Title of Table, ... ' when the paragraph and the 
table caption are on the same page,

-' ... Table XX, Title of Table on Page YY, ... ' when the paragraph 
and the table caption are on different pages.

I already have two cross-reference formats that I use for this purpose, but it 
is not automated. Meaning that if the paragraph and caption start out on the 
same page, I use the first format and the second format when they are on 
different pages.

But, as I add and remove and delete and edit text - all normal work - in other 
locations of the document (typically before this reference, of course), the 
paragraph and caption could get separated onto different pages.

And, then I have to go and find the cross-reference and switch it to the other 
format manually. In a long document, this is also prone to error.

I have tried using only the second format exclusively, but it looks quite silly 
to refer to the page when the table title is right there on the same page! :(

I have also tried the above and below constructs for the format, but don't 
like them as much - they are not useful (for similar look silly reasons) when 
the table caption and paragraph slide onto different pages. Because, I feel 
that above and below ought to refer to material on the same physical page.

So, I'd love to have a way to automate this as I edit document, meaning that 
the format should added the on Page YY automatically if and only if they 
reference and the table are on different pages. All on the fly, so that I don't 
have to think about it! :)

Any thoughts?

Z

P.S. Conceptually, I am also looking for another similar thing ... for adding 
This Page is Intentionally Blank when there is nothing on it ... but that is 
less critical.
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RE: PDF query

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Yeah, that was the general recommendation, but I always found it to be better 
the other way (i.e., Save to PDF gave me the output I wanted) ... YMMV, I 
guess.

Anyway, I take Lins comment to be more of a more observation - that FrameMaker 
as a tool created the best PDF output. Now, fwiw, the only method that works 
(without thorough checking yet though) for me is Save to PDF with the RGB 
check box option. :(

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 7:31 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: PDF query

Actually, Frame print to PDF was the gold standard. Save as PDF was so buggy 
that all experts recommended against using it.

Mike Wickham

On 10/17/2014 4:46 PM, Lin Sims wrote:
 Frame to PDF used to be the gold standard for PDF production. :(

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RE: PDF query

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Same here with Save as PDF, except that with FM 12, it seems that I also need 
to select the RGB checkbox option to make it work correctly. The CMYK 
option does _not_ work properly.

I will see if I can find the test documents I sent to Adobe and post them here 
later ...

Z

Robert Lauriston said:
 At least from FM6 on, I had zero problems with Save as PDF so long as 
 Distiller / Adobe PDF was selected as the printer and I used the same file 
 name as the .book I was saving.

Mike Wickham wrote:
 Actually, Frame print to PDF was the gold standard. Save as PDF was so buggy 
 that all experts recommended against using it.

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RE: PDF query

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

I reported a similar issue a short while back (wasn't just images though - it 
has problems with font colors, italic text messing up kerning and spacing, 
etc.).

The response from an Adobe person here was that the Save as PDF using CMYK has 
a bug (that they have been able to reproduce). No fix indication yet.

Anyway, I have also experienced problems with printing to the Adobe PDF printer 
driver, so I am using Save as PDF to RGB for the moment for all my review 
work. I plan to check the final PDF thoroughly before I send it out ... because 
I am not just comfortable with the quality of PDF generation from FrameMaker at 
this point.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Denis Daly
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 5:31 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: PDF query

Hi,

My name is Denis Daly. I have recently started using FrameMaker.

I have had an odd issue today. I saved an individual chapter as a PDF and about 
40% of the images were not present. They are available in the 'Graphics' folder.

I resaved and the same thing happened.

I then saved a third time but selected RGB instead of CYMK; all images were 
present.

I am using FM 12 with the recent update installed.

Can anyone explain this behaviour, please?

Kind regards,
Denis Daly
Technical Writer

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RE: No rtf output generated from Mif2Go

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

The latest version of Mif2Go on the web site works for me for FrameMaker 12 ... 
I had to make a few minor changes to a few files (I also only use it to 
generate RTF) for my situation.

Here are the gory details - maybe they will help, but I would be surprised, 
since my changes were pretty simple really.

First, here are my differences in 
%omsyshome%\common\local\config\local_omsys.ini (comparing my version to the 
distributed file):

1:94 HelpCopyright=Aeris Communications, Inc.
2:94 HelpCopyright=Omni Systems
1:98 ViewOutputCommand=C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft 
Office\Office15\WINWORD.EXE /mLoadD2gRtfFile
2:98 ViewOutputCommand=C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft 
Office\Office14\WINWORD.EXE /mLoadD2gRtfFile

The Copyright line is obvious - it has my company name rather than Omni 
Systems. The other difference is not as obvious ... changes the directory from 
Office14 to Office15 for the Word executable on my system.

Second, I changed the default location for Mif2Go stuff in my documents.  Here 
are the additional lines in %omsyshome%\m2g\local\config\local_m2g_config.ini:

1: 8 [Setup]
1: 9 LocalConfigPath=.\_config\
1:10
1:11 [Automation]
1:12 ShipPath=.\_ship
1:13
1:14 [End]

Basically, I prefer my Mif2Go related files to be one subdirectory below 
where I edit my FM documents ... not in parallel (as is the default, as I 
recall), since I keep versions of FM documents there. The two additional 
entries above provide that.

Z

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 8:36 AM
To: 'Post Framers'
Subject: RE: No rtf output generated from Mif2Go

Did you grab the right version of MIF2Go for FM12? I seem to recall talk about 
a different version required for FM12.

From: 
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 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of LGLists
Sent: October-01-14 11:24 AM
To: 'Post Framers'
Subject: No rtf output generated from Mif2Go

FM 12 (new installation)
Win 7
m2g 55

I posted this to the Mif2Go Yahoo Group a couple of days ago, but have not 
heard anything back. I'm hoping someone here can help me.

I think I followed all the steps to install. Tore my hair out doing it. (I'd 
much rather just have an installer.)

All I need is a simple conversion to RTF. I did the basics that I've done 
before. Here's what I get:

Console shows this:

Mif2Go could not write F:\path_removed\RTF-Test\Overview.mif
Mif2Go created file: F:\path_removed\RTF-Test\Overview.rtf
in: 0 min 00 seconds at: Sun Sep 28 16:20:01 2014

There is no rtf file in my output folder, despite what the message says.

Log has no errors:

Sun Sep 28 16:19:57 2014
I1: Starting log for m2rbook, b114 and f009, project Overview
I1: Opened file F:\path_removed\Overview.fm
I1: File ID is aa
Sun Sep 28 16:20:00 2014
I1: Starting log for drmif, m210
I1: Automation processing completed by drmif.
Sun Sep 28 16:20:01 2014
I1: Starting log for dwrtf, r299
I1: Automation processing completed by dwrtf.
Sun Sep 28 16:20:03 2014
I1: Project finished
I1: Closing log for m2rbook


When I try to Wash Via Mif for a single file, the console shows this:

Mif2Go could not write F:\path_removed\Overview.tmb


F: is a partition on my hard drive with plenty of space on it.

I tried again on a mostly blank, new file, and I can't even get the .ini file 
to be created when I configure a new project in a new folder.

Any ideas?

~
Linda G. Gallagher
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303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
Tutorials, show me demos, user guides, help, FrameMaker and WebWorks 
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RE: fm 12.0.3 update bug WAS: frame 12 pdf right page blank problem

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Okay, I have done some testing - although not thoroughly yet! And, I am now 
quite confused as to what is the best way to proceed. :(



1.  I do not have any .ai  images in the header of the master page of any 
document in the book I am working on.

a.  So, I am not sure what impact this really has (as described below).

b.  There is only one .png image - the logo of my company on the title 
master page.

c.  (BTW, I assume that .ai means an Adobe Illustrator binary, correct? 
What is a .ai image?)



2.  I have generated the PDF three different ways from the same FM book 
(with different outcomes). Default settings mostly I think - using the 
High-Quality options, etc.

a.  Print to the Adobe PDF printer,

b.  Save as PDF with the RGB option selected, and

c.  Save as PDF with the CMYK option selected.



3.  Here are the file sizes (names are obvious) of the three PDF files ... 
generated as I mentioned from the same input book:



  998,759 Print_PDF.pdf

1,761,186 TEST_CMYK.pdf

2,072,213 TEST_RGB.pdf



4.  In the Print_PDF file:

a.  Most links are entirely missing. Most of the hypertext markers I had as 
message URL ... in the FM documents are simply not there in the PDF.

b.  From limited checking, I would say that the ones that go to just a 
simple web site URL (like http://www.sitename.com;) are present and working.

c.  Ones that go to ftp URL's, or are more complex page URL's (like 
http://www.sitename.com/references/page.html; are all missing).

d.  The links in the Table of Contents (to go to sections inside the 
document) are all missing.

e.  The internal links (to move within the document) are all missing.



5.  In the TEST_CMYK file:

a.  Spacing between words in italics are wrong (large) - so text shifts to 
the right, and off the page in long enough lines.

b.  Links are working though - both in the Table of Contents and in the URL 
links (simple and complex). I have not checked everything yet though!



6.  In the TEST_RGB file:

a.  All appears to be okay ... so far! I will need to do more comprehensive 
checking to be certain though.



At this point, all I can say is that I am glad I am not yet at the stage of 
final PDF generation for this book. The Save as PDF, with the RGB option 
selected, appears to be the most correct, but I have not yet checked it 
thoroughly enough to be certain. Otherwise, I would be quite irritated trying 
to figure out what to do to get a clean PDF!



If anyone has any suggestions for what I may be doing wrong, I would greatly 
appreciate it! I can send along the first 18 to 19 pages of these PDF documents 
(the non-confidential sections) to demonstrate the problems.



Z



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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Vikash Kumar
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 5:18 AM
To: fr...@daube.ch; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: fm 12.0.3 update bug WAS: frame 12 pdf right page blank problem



Hello Framers,

I am Vikash from Adobe FM Engineering team.  After our preliminary 
investigation in the issue discussed here, we have found that if there is an 
.ai image in the header of the master page, contents of the corresponding 
body page wouldn't come in PDF generated through CMYK route.



Please note that this issue won't happen if the .ai  image is in the body page. 
Do let us know if you still face any issues of the blank page after replacing 
or removing the .ai image from the header of the master page .



Thx,

Vikash



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From: 
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 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Klaus Daube

Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 1:23 PM

To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com

Subject: Re: fm 12.0.3 update bug WAS: frame 12 pdf right page blank problem



On 29 Sep 2014 at 15:22, craig...@hotmail.commailto:craig...@hotmail.com 
wrote:



 The 12.0.3  update, applied to my colleagues installation of FM12, has

 resulted in the disappearance of all body page elements appearing on

 odd  numbered pages in books she PDFs using saveAs PDF.



 Reinstalling FM12 and incrementally updating brings back working PDFs

 with 12.0.0 and each of the two updates (12.0.1 and 12.0.2).

 Installing the 12.03 update breaks the PDF rendering.



Hallo friends,



I do not have this problem. My PDFs (save as pdf) are correct with both left 
and right pages. Just tested again.



However, my update procedure was something special, because the first update 
ended with an error (had messed up a specific file). Hence I uninstalled FM-12 
completely and re-installed, then updated with 1, 2, 3 - and now everything is 
OK.



Klaus Daube

~~

Docu + Design Daube; Schäracher 11; CH-8053 Zürich Technical 

RE: fm 12.0.3 update bug WAS: frame 12 pdf right page blank problem

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

?  Were printing to CMYK using the standard High Quality job options. (The 
graphics are being imported by reference.)
Pretty much same for me, although I did have the View PDF ... checkbox 
selected.
However, no imported graphics in the document at all with the exception of the 
logo (a PNG file, as I recall) on the title page. Some internal diagrams using 
the FrameMaker drawing tools.
Z
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RE: fm 12.0.3 update bug WAS: frame 12 pdf right page blank problem

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Yeah, I also got a request - am glad to see that Adobe people are watching this 
group and asking for input to fix stuff.

I have sent extracts from two PDF's generated from the same book using Save As 
PDF and Print to Adobe PDF showing the differences and issues. Cannot send 
the original files unfortunately - content is confidential.

Z

From: Craig Ede [mailto:craig...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:48 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); framers
Subject: RE: fm 12.0.3 update bug WAS: frame 12 pdf right page blank problem

We, too, generally have the View PDF... checkbox selected. At Adobe's 
request, I have supplied them with a sample file (and resulting PDF) that 
displays this problem.

Craig

From: syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net
To: craig...@hotmail.commailto:craig...@hotmail.com; 
r...@rickquatro.commailto:r...@rickquatro.com; 
framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 08:44:13 -0700
Subject: RE: fm 12.0.3 update bug WAS: frame 12 pdf right page blank problem
  Were printing to CMYK using the standard High Quality job options. (The 
 graphics are being imported by reference.)
Pretty much same for me, although I did have the View PDF ... checkbox 
selected.
However, no imported graphics in the document at all with the exception of the 
logo (a PNG file, as I recall) on the title page. Some internal diagrams using 
the FrameMaker drawing tools.
Z
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RE: fm 12.0.3 update bug WAS: frame 12 pdf right page blank problem

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Yeah. Broke for me in 12.0.3 too - I changed to doing Print Book to the Adobe 
PDF printer for this release and this seems to be working for the moment. This 
time, I have not run through the various options yet to see which one fixes it 
best for my PDF generation, so didn't mention this issue because I had not 
fully tested yet.

As always (argh!), this has been my USUAL problem with FrameMaker releases from 
each version of 5.5 onwards. I have to experiment and re-discover which 
selection (i.e., Save As PDF or Print Book to the Adobe PDF printer) and 
combination of options (paragraph tags, or not, etc.) works properly. 
Sometimes, it is a matter of changing options like generating paragraph tags. :(

More often than not, Save As PDF is fine ... but this time around, it wasn't. 
But, I need to check the options to see if one of them changes the outcome.

Z

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig Ede
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 2:26 PM
To: framers
Subject: fm 12.0.3 update bug WAS: frame 12 pdf right page blank problem

Since this is a potentially serious problem for those who update FM12 to 
12.0.3, I've changed the subject line to telegraph the linking of the problem 
with the update released 9/25/2014.

Having see the problem suddenly appear with the update to 12.0.3 patch, and 
disappear when rolled back to any of the previous FM 12 versions, I'm curious 
if this is a widespread problem or if somehow this single computer is subject 
to this bug.

Craig

From: craig...@hotmail.commailto:craig...@hotmail.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: frame 12 pdf right page blank problem
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 15:54:36 -0500

The 12.0.3  update, applied to my colleagues installation of FM12, has resulted 
in the disappearance of all body page elements appearing on odd  numbered pages 
in books she PDFs using saveAs PDF.

Reinstalling FM12 and incrementally updating brings back working PDFs with 
12.0.0 and each of the two updates (12.0.1 and 12.0.2). Installing the 12.03 
update breaks the PDF rendering.

BEWARE!

Craig

From: craig...@hotmail.commailto:craig...@hotmail.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: frame 12 pdf right page blank problem
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 12:26:45 -0500
My colleague Allison is having problems with right pages in her PDFs (coming 
from FM12 saveAs PDF) displaying as blank except for the master page 
information. The text and graphics are there, but not visible. You can click on 
a blank TOC page and the PDF jumps you to the linked paragraph (which may 
also be on an blank page, or not, but the link works so something is there in 
the PDF that contains both the source and target for the link).

She is updated to the latest Acrobat XI (11.0.09), while I am one step behind 
(11.0.08) and not having this problem. I'm also on step behind in FM12 updates 
(12.02.389 vs her 12.0.3.424). I'm wondering if one or both of these updates 
might be causing the problem.

Backsaving her book to FM11 results in a PDF that is normal printed from here 
machine using FM11.

Any help would be appreciated.

Craig


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RE: Finding styles with a space after the name

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

?  Hmm, well, the style with the space doesn't appear in the para catalog, so 
I'm not sure I can apply it. I may have to go the mif route. Not my favorite 
thing.

Please don't be worried about MIF ... it is actually very safe. Indeed, quite 
often, many ills with FM binaries can be discovered and cured with MIF 
washing.

And the process can be automated with Mif2Go if you want - particularly for 
larger numbers of files. With Jeremy Griffin's bequest, this tool is free at 
the Omni Systems site (now being maintained by Scott Prentice of Leximation).

Z
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RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker--getting rid of backups

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

What you wrote is conceptually similar to what I do, except that I don't put 
the backup files into a single location on my disk drive.

As I described earlier, each document's main directory has a subdir just below 
where I am working, so it always puts the backup files only there. Hence the 
backed up files from different documents are always separated and easy to 
retrieve.

Plus, with my copy all approach (see below), using a single location would 
cause common file names to cause content to be trashed.

I do keep the BAT command file itself in a single location though - it is 
easily accessed from my DOS path as needed.

Here is my BAT command file. I use copy with the /Y option to overwrite. In 
it, I copy all the files - not just the FrameMaker ones - since there are other 
files there too (for example, .ini files from tools that are used within 
FrameMaker):

copy/y  *.*  .\Archive\
del  *.backup.*  *.log  *.tps  *.tpdf  *.bak

This gives me a clean working environment for each editing session.

Then, when I am done releasing a particular document, I run another BAT file 
finally that does the following:

rmdir/s  .\Archive\

The /S option is to delete subdirectories.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sharp, Amy
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 8:20 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker--getting rid 
of backups

I like having backups available in case of crashes or other emergencies, so I 
don't want to turn them off. As it's also my habit to save different versions 
of an active FrameMaker project in different folders, backups are only required 
for those emergencies.

That makes a lot of clutter in the folder for my FM files, and there are times 
I need to see my files without the clutter. Deleting or moving backups is not 
easy if you have lots of files; you can reorder the files any way you like but 
the backups stay glued to their parent FM files.

To get rid of the backups temporarily, I wrote an old-fashioned batch (BAT) 
file that moves backup files to a folder on my C: drive (FM_Backup) and then 
deletes the log file. It takes only a few seconds to run, and leaves a pristine 
view of the FM files.

IMPORTANT: This only works when FrameMaker is closed because FM automatically 
regenerates backup files as soon as you touch an open file.

The code I use is below. You can modify it to delete the files instead of 
moving them, change the backup folder name, get rid of the log deletion, 
whatever you'd like.

1.  In Notepad or another text editor, copy the following lines:

Move *.backup.fm C:\\FM_Backup
Move *.backup.book C:\\FM_Backup
pause
Del *.log
pause
Exit

2.  Save the file as FM_backup.bat or any other name as long as it has a 
BAT extension.
3.  Create a backup folder on your C drive called FM_Backup.
You can name this folder anything as long as it matches the folder name in the 
BAT file.
4.  Copy or move the BAT file into the same folder as your working 
FrameMaker files.
IMPORTANT: You must insert a separate copy of the BAT file into every folder 
that contains your FrameMaker files.
5.  To run, double-click FM_backup.bat.
The pauses stop the program to provide feedback as it moves the files.
6.  Don't forget to delete the backup files when they are no longer needed, 
as the backup folder gets bloated quickly.

I especially like using this when I save different versions of an ongoing 
project. When I open a folder containing an earlier version, I only see the 
project files.

The code uses the simple DOS commands move, delete, pause, and exit. It doesn't 
save multiple versions of backups or work from any location except where the FM 
files are stored, but you could get fancy if you're inspired to take this to 
another level.

Amy Sharp
Geophysical Technical Writer
ConocoPhillips Co.
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RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Hmmm ... your Dropbox folder and its contained files are _still_ entirely 
resident on your hard-drive too (till they are deleted in the DropBox 
folder)! This is how they allow off-line work as well, when not connected 
on-line on the Internet.

In essence, it just is another folder on your drive that is treated _like_ a 
separate top-level drive/folder, even though it really isn't! This is a 
convenient approach though.

The Dropbox client on your computer/laptop/phone then performs an effective 
replication of the files within that folder when they are changed, to the 
DropBox cloud storage systems so that you can access them from elsewhere on the 
Internet or private network - on other computers and smart phones.

Which also, by the way, keeps _duplicate_ copies of the files on _all_ your 
synced Dropbox systems too! Can be a good backup system if you have enough 
space, I suppose! :)

Also, as far as I know, Microsoft's OneDrive (formerly SkyDrive) and Dropbox 
operate the same way. They are basically automatically sync my folder and its 
files into the cloud storage mechanisms. 

However, Google Drive _can_ be set up to be in-the-cloud-only storage that 
keeps things off your drive, although it has the same sync'ing folders method 
available as an option. Makes it more complex to use in the only-in-cloude mode 
though - you have to manually load the files and delete them if you want. Not 
automatic folder sync'ing like OneDrive or DropBox.

Amazon Cloud Drive is one that primarily (perhaps only?) keeps the files in the 
cloud on their systems. WIth 5GB free storage if you have one of their Kindle 
Fire readers. This is also a manual load of the files approach ... I have not 
looked to see if they have any automatic folder/file sync option, but I doubt 
it.

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Boss
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:55 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups

I have stopped saving multiple backups on my system and instead keep all active 
work in a Dropbox folder. Active files are automatically backed up online and 
to my laptop,  and all saved versions of a file are available for
30 days from the Dropbox site. No more clutter!

David

Boss Communications
www.bosscommunications.com 

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RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Got it! Definitely works well for you then. I am still on the freebie plans for 
DropBox, Google Drive and Microsoft OneDrive for now (combined storage is about 
60 GB) for my file-sharing needs. 

FWIW, I have stayed off the larger-capacity, paid storage plans because I ended 
up getting a RAID-1 NAS server at home for the five systems that I back up 
regularly. Fully automated (Time Machine for four Mac's and ShadowProtect for 
my Lenovo). 

Z

-Original Message-
From: David Boss [mailto:bossc...@rogers.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 1:27 PM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups

Yup, the synced desktop/laptop/online copies is exactly what I want. Dropbox 
just increased the space to 1TB for the paid version, which is more than enough 
for my active files. Didn't mention that I also use it to transfer files to 
others. And can access it from my phone and tablet. More than worth the $100 a 
year.

David

Boss Communications / Boss Photographic
www.bosscommunications.com / www.bossphotographic.com Phone 416-704-1839 / 
Mississauga ON

 Syed Zaeem Hosain said Hmmm ... your Dropbox folder and its contained files 
 are _still_ entirely resident on your hard-drive too (till they are deleted 
 in the DropBox folder)! This is how they allow off-line work as well, 
 when not connected on-line on the Internet.




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RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Nope - not fireproof. I periodically back up the entire NAS server to another 
one at work (12 miles away).

Only thing that could go wrong is an earthquake completely destroying both work 
and home - in which case, I would likely be dead too and not care too much! :)

Z

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From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf 
Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 3:49 PM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: My work-flow for dealing with backups

That's a fireproof NAS server?

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:
 Got it! Definitely works well for you then. I am still on the freebie plans 
 for DropBox, Google Drive and Microsoft OneDrive for now (combined storage is 
 about 60 GB) for my file-sharing needs.

 FWIW, I have stayed off the larger-capacity, paid storage plans because I 
 ended up getting a RAID-1 NAS server at home for the five systems that I back 
 up regularly. Fully automated (Time Machine for four Mac's and ShadowProtect 
 for my Lenovo).
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My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker sessions ... Was: RE: Best practices for converting FM to Robohelp

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Sorry for the long response here, but perhaps others might benefit from what I 
do.

Jeff Coatsworth wrote:


Ø  One longstanding FM grumble is the program’s desire to always maintain all 
its files (.book, .fm, .backup, .lck, .auto, etc.) in one location – you can 
never designate another place to keep those “extra” file types out of the way.

Yeah! ☺

My approach is simplistic, way overkill, but it works well for me:


1.  Each of my document versions (i.e., all the .book, .fm, .ini files, 
etc.) are in a separate working directory.

2.  Below each working directory, there are two subdirectories “Archive” 
and “Images”. All the images in that document – used by reference – are located 
in the “Images” sub-directory to keep them separated out.

3.  Just about every time (but not always) that I start an editing session 
on a document – same or next day or whenever – I manually run a tiny script 
before bringing up FrameMaker.

4.  This script copies all the files in the working directory to the 
“Archive” sub-directory (overwriting whatever is in there from the previous 
session), then deletes all .backup files in the working directory, deletes 
backup files from my text editor, etc.

5.  This gives me (a) a clean working environment to start the session, and 
(b) retains a copy of the document so that I can recover to just before the 
editing session very quickly if I need to do so.

6.  Occasionally, I create and check a PDF at the end of the editing 
session – particularly when the document is further along – to make sure that 
the output file generation is working normally, and to send out a review copy.

7.  Once I release a document (the final PDF and its files are released, 
etc.), the “Archive” subdirectory is permanently deleted – for obvious reasons, 
the “Images” subdirectory has to stay intact, of course!

FWIW, I don’t like/use the idea of disabling the automatic backup feature 
within FrameMaker as mentioned by Robert Lauriston – even though my editing 
session work-flow does not strictly need them anymore.

Also, since I run twice-daily (at 9am and 3pm) automated Windows backups (I 
love Shadow Protect from Storage Craft!), there is a lot of overkill in my 
editing work flow here.

Z

P.S: I have learned (the hard way ☹) after three decades of using computers 
that, when it comes to files and storage, wearing multiple belts and suspenders 
is a Good Thing™. ☺ So, all my files are located in three places: (a) on my 
laptop as a normal working location, (b) at work on a 2TB attached disk and (c) 
at home on a Synology NAS RAID-1 server. If I am on a business trip, the Shadow 
Protect backups just go to a second drive on my laptop till I return and the 
files are copied off.
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RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker sessions ... Was: RE: Best practices for converting FM to Robohelp

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Okay ... :)

I don't really need them anymore but just like the idea of keeping them too 
(per my belts and suspenders approach) ... they have not hurt me in any way 
that I know of.

For what it is worth, storage is cheap today ... so I simply copy them off into 
a subdir and delete them before I start working.

Z

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Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 11:33 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker sessions ... 
Was: RE: Best practices for converting FM to Robohelp

The .backup files were essential before 7.2 added undo, but since then they 
have seemed to me to cause more trouble than they avoid. I can't recall having 
had a problem where they would have been useful. It seems like a legacy feature.

On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:

 FWIW, I don’t like/use the idea of disabling the automatic backup 
 feature within FrameMaker as mentioned by Robert Lauriston – even 
 though my editing session work-flow does not strictly need them anymore.
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RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker sessions ... Was: RE: Best practices for converting FM to Robohelp

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Robert and you are on the same page. ☺

Since I don’t really use them for anything either, I suppose I could also turn 
this off too … it is just more of my belts and suspenders belief coming 
through, I suspect!

Z

From: John Sgammato [mailto:john.sgamm...@actifio.com]
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 11:39 AM
To: Robert Lauriston
Cc: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker sessions ... 
Was: RE: Best practices for converting FM to Robohelp

I have turned off the backup feature since FM9. I am on FM12 now.
I have never had reason to regret that decision.

On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Robert Lauriston 
rob...@lauriston.commailto:rob...@lauriston.com wrote:
The .backup files were essential before 7.2 added undo, but since then
they have seemed to me to cause more trouble than they avoid. I can't
recall having had a problem where they would have been useful. It
seems like a legacy feature.

On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net) 
syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:

 FWIW, I don’t like/use the idea of disabling the automatic backup feature
 within FrameMaker as mentioned by Robert Lauriston – even though my editing
 session work-flow does not strictly need them anymore.
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RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker sessions ... Was: RE: Best practices for converting FM to Robohelp

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Adam Hollett said:

Ø  One of the least awkward ways to work with FrameMaker files and backups is 
probably to use revision control software like SVN or git. I keep backups 
disabled in FrameMaker because I know that every commit of changes to my files 
is backed up and reverting is easy.


Ø  This has worked wonders for us and I think it’s the way to go for a modern 
solution.

Agreed! Our software team uses Git (at Atlassian’s Bitbucket site) – having 
migrated from sccs and SVN over the years – and I am just getting myself up to 
speed on Git for another reason.

I chose to use one of my FrameMaker documents (using Bitbucket rather than 
Github since I can get private repositories cheaply) to get my learning done 
and plan to do this for all my documents, rather than the current simplistic 
way I use directory trees for version control.

Although I may still use my current subdirectory approach for each editing 
session … I may be wrong, but the Git “store everything on every commit” 
(rather than differences as in sccs or SVN) may be overdone, because it appears 
to creates a copy of the entire tree on each commit rather than a single 
subdirectory in my simple approach.

I’d love to hear more comments on, and experience with, Git too – was my 
purpose for spinning this off into its own thread rather than interfere with 
the original thread. FWIW, I am very old-school … I used to use sccs on our Sun 
systems, changed to RCS, and abandoned both when I came over to Windows for my 
documents. So, now I need to get back to better ways of doing things. ☺

Z
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RE: .tps files too big?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Wow! 2.8 Giga bytes?  That is a very large single file indeed. I am not 
surprised that FrameMaker chokes.

If you are truly creating that large a .tps file, then doing the creation of 
the PDF in multiple pieces and combing the resulting files in Acrobat may be 
the only way to proceed.

Curiosity: what is the resulting size of the final PDF file if you combine the 
multiple distilled outputs?

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig Ede
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 3:20 PM
To: framers
Subject: .tps files too big?

I'm doing a SaveAs PDF on a graphic intensive book and running into a problem 
about the time the .tps file hits 2,800,000 KB. FrameMaker fails around that 
point with an error dialog box that says:


Adobe FrameMaker 11 has stopped working
A problem caused the program to stop working correctly. Windows will close the 
program and notify you if a solution is available.
(Button) Close program

Graphics include .ai files, pdfs as well as PNG files, all imported by 
reference.

Anybody have an idea what might be causing this error and/or how I can avoid 
it? The book distills fine if I split it into two parts. Files are on a network 
drive.

Thank you.

Craig

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Mif2Go suddenly failing on all machines

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

John,

I am not sure what you mean by ?blocked? or ?unblocked?? Where is this 
?Properties>Unblock? command capability? (I thought I knew Windows, but am now 
not sure where this is available ?)

Anyway, in Windows, I can look at file properties using Windows File Manager 
(right click on a file and select ?Properties? to get a pop-up window), and am 
including info on that DLL that you mention ? as screen captures here. Hope 
these three images gets through to this list (also it should direct to your 
e-mail anyway), so that you can compare to what you are seeing ? the machine 
and account names are different on my system, of course!

I still think one of my SWAGs about your PATH variable being the issue is the 
cause here (perhaps from the Calibre install/upgrade?) ? but am guessing, of 
course! Some version of a Mif2Go executable or library is being found ? i.e., 
not in the ??\Omsys\common\bin? tree ? and the resulting search for other 
executables and libraries from that point are hosed.

Can you perhaps provide your PATH variable here for us to look at? Feel free to 
send it off-list in an e-mail if you want.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of John Sgammato
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:28 PM
To: Lin Sims
Cc: Frame Users
Subject: Re: Mif2Go suddenly failing on all machines

Zeroing in on a solution, I think:
(famous not-last words)

One of the steps to take after installing Mif2Go is to go through the new .exes 
and .dlls and make sure they have write permission, preferably full permissions.
Along the way, I see that many/all of the files are blocked by Windows, which 
sometimes happens as a protective measure when adding files from a foreign ZIP.
Having unblocked all the files, I see that m2gframe.dll always regains its 
blocked status. It appears to respond to the Properties>Unblock command 
normally, but when I go back to check the file properties again, it's locked 
again.

Has anyone encountered this? Does it matter? (If you are successful generating 
output, is your m2gframe.dll file blocked or unblocked?


On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Lin Sims mailto:ljsims.ml at gmail.com>> wrote:
And if you do find a fix, let us know, just in case someone else runs into the 
same issue.

On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Scott Prentice mailto:sp10 at leximation.com>> wrote:
If you don't get anything here, you might try the new mif2go list ..

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mif2go/info

...scott
On 8/13/14 12:53 PM, John Sgammato wrote:
Yesterday I was generating a bunch of XHTML output with Mif2Go, when suddenly I 
started to fail with this error:
Mif2Go failed for file: C:\Project\Users_Roles.html
type 1, code 2, at: Wed Aug 13 15:46:36 2014
Could not run DCL filter or other program.
File not found.

It had worked fine just an hour before. Nothing had changed.
Nonetheless I rechecked all my environment variables and other common issues; 
they were all good.
Restarting the machine did not fix it. A complete uninstall/reinstall of Mif2Go 
did not fix it.
Today is does not work on two different computers with different files.

Is anyone else experiencing this?
It's as if my license has been revoked or some similar global denial of service.

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RE: Mif2Go suddenly failing on all machines

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Hi, John.

You can check the Windows Update history – will tell you when any Windows and 
other Microsoft tools updates occurred. Assuming you have Windows set for 
automatic updates – some will boot the machine though, so you would have seen 
that event (!).

As I recall, the FrameMaker ones are not automatic (i.e., you have to choose to 
do them), I think, but am not sure of this.

Also, the Windows System logs will show you more details on any issues that 
Windows has seen – this is a bit more complex though. You have to search for 
things – maybe a search for the FrameMaker executable in those logs?

More SWAGs:

Also, have you tried to run an anti-virus checker like Malwarebytes 
Anti-Malware? Might be good to see if some random rootkit or other program is 
causing issues with a port that causes Mif2Go to get very unhappy?

I also suggest trying a (careful) registry cleaning with CCleaner – not just 
for the apps tab, but the Registry cleaner tab (use with care – make sure to 
DEselect the “Unused File Extensions” checkbox … that is a bit too much 
overkill, IMHO.

Z

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Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 10:21 AM
To: Robert Lauriston
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Subject: Re: Mif2Go suddenly failing on all machines

no - not that I know of anyway
There was maybe an hour from the time of the last successful build (2:11pm 
Tuesday) and the first failed build. I was chugging through a series of 10 
books, one by one, as I had done before. After the two biggest books were done, 
I got some lunch downstairs and then got back to it on an easy book...and I 
have had no success since then.

On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Robert Lauriston 
rob...@lauriston.commailto:rob...@lauriston.com wrote:
Was there a Windows or FrameMaker update between the last successful build and 
the first failure?

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RE: Mif2Go suddenly failing on all machines

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Hi, John.

This is a complete SWAG here.

Maybe it is unable to run the program “DCL.EXE” which is in the  
omsyshome\Omsys\system\common\bin folder (of course, omsyshome is likely 
different for you).

So, have you made sure that your search path in Windows is set to include the 
omsyshome\Omsys\system\common\bin folder, perhaps (and that the dcl.exe file 
is present in that folder … although I think you said you checked this already)?

You can verify this by using a Windows Command Prompt to see if you can 
manually execute that program, or it says it is not recognized.

Here is the example from my system (which is my own DOS program that emulates 
the Unix equivalent ☺ … if you want a copy, please let me know).

C:\which dcl
C:\home\Omsys\common\bin\dcl.exe

C:\foobar
'foobar' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

C:\dcl
usage: dcl [-abx] [-lmp] [-v] [-f format] [-s source] [-t target] [-o output] 
files...
  DCL format: -a ascii, -b binary, -x XDCL
  Endianness: -l little-endian (Intel), -m big-endian, -p PDP
  Verbosity: -v verbose
  Format: -f code, as in -f D for DITA; codes are:
RTF: W Word, 8 Word8 up, P WordPerfect, H WinHelp4, 3 WinHelp3
*ML: N HTML, X XHTML, G XML, D DITA, B DocBook, M MS HTML Help,
  C OmniHelp, E Eclipse Help, J JavaHelp, O Oracle Help for Java
  Source: -s dcl, dcb, dcx, mif, lst, xml
  Target: -t dcl, dcb, dcx, rtf, htm, xml
  Output: -o .ext, -o \path, or -o \path\file.ext

If the command is unable to find the dcl program, then you may have a Windows 
path that is missing the Omsys common bin folder. After you add it in, please 
do make sure to log out and log back in for the environment variables to get 
read again.

Hope this helps!

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of John Sgammato
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 2:40 PM
To: Fei Min Lorente
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Mif2Go suddenly failing on all machines

Here's the latest, after an afternoon of research (= banging my head against 
the wall):

 *   The project fails almost immediately, with this error:
Mif2Go failed for file: C:\Project\Users_Roles.html type 1, code 2, at: Wed Aug 
13 15:46:36 2014
Could not run DCL filter or other program. File not found.
 *   All Mif2Go files are present and in the right places following an 
uninstall and fresh install from new ZIP. This means I do not know what file 
cannot be found.
 *   I get the same failure even for projects that succeeded earlier in the 
day, with the same previously-successful ini files.
 *   I have used (and resolved issues with) Mif2Go for 10 years, so I know how 
things should look - they look OK.
 *   The save process generates good MIFs. I get the same error for each file, 
with the option to quit. If I do not quit, it makes a mif for the next file and 
then I get the error again. Mif2Go.ini increments normally for each file 
generated.
 *   If I push through to the end, it generates all the MIFs but it does not 
clean them up and it generates no output, nor the _wrap folder.
 *   The history and the log file look normal.
 *All the Mif2Go exe  dll files have full write permissions, including the 
two new ones in \fminit\Plugins.
And remember that the whole system worked flawlessly for two big books before 
failing on the third, much smaller book just an hour later.
I appreciate any ideas!

On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Fei Min Lorente 
feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com wrote:
Nope, sorry, I should have mentioned. I’m on FM10, Windows 7, using Mif2Go 
V4U54.

Fei Min

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Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 1:15 PM
To: Fei Min Lorente
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Mif2Go suddenly failing on all machines

Are you on FM12?
There were two new DLLs in FMINIT/Plugins for FM12.

On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Fei Min Lorente 
feimin.lore...@onsemi.commailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com wrote:
Hi John:

I just did a Save Using Mif2Go on an old tried and true manual, and everything 
worked just fine.

Fei Min

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To: Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.commailto:ljsims...@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: Mif2Go suddenly failing on all machines
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

I'd be very grateful if a few of my colleagues here could try a quick
mif2go save and see if you get the DCL not found error.
On Aug 13, 2014 6:15 PM, Lin Sims 
ljsims...@gmail.commailto:ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:

 And if you do find a fix, let us know, just in 

RE: Quoted speech

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Ah! I have no idea about web pages or ePub format yet ... all my document 
outputs are in PDF at this time.

Where I like the look of the curved apostrophes and quotes. :)

Probably simplest for you to edit the MIF files, I suspect, and change all 
occurrences there in a simple text editor.

Z

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Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 7:48 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Quoted speech

On 7/30/2014 4:49 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote:
 Side-bar curiosity question: why do you choose not to use the curved 
 apostrophe's? I find those to be more consistent with the way I want 
 my documents to look ... fwiw.

Actually, Z, I want to replace the curly apostrophes with straight apostrophes, 
and curly smart brackets with straight brackets, because I believe that these 
magic characters will blow up in epub, html, or web pages.

Are you suggesting that they won't? I'm new to producting epub but not web 
pages which don't seem to like accented characters.

Thanks,
Theresa

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RE: Quoted speech

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Theresa wrote:
 Lin Sims wrote:
  If it were me, I'd copy one of the Australian ones into the Find 
  box, then copy the one you want it to be into the Replace box, then 
  click Change All, making sure Book is selected.

 For me that doesn't quite work. There's something in Frame which decides a 
 curved apostrophe is the same as an uncurved apostrophe.

I am guessing that the act of inserting the replace apostrophe in place cause 
the smart-quote feature in Frame to perhaps change it?

You might consider replacing them in a saved MIF format version of the file, 
with a simple text editor. With my text editor (I use pfe), I can highlight 
what I want to be replaced (makes it easy not worry about exactly what code the 
character is) and then replace with a single apostrophe ...

Side-bar curiosity question: what do you choose not to use the curved 
apostrophe's? I find those to be more consistent with the way I want my 
documents to look ... fwiw.

Z

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RE: Mif2Go, DITA2Go, uDoc2Go: now open source

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Steve Rickaby wrote:
 Carolyn Stallard wrote:
  Omni Systems is closed.  As Jeremy Griffith wished, source code will be 
  made available for all three software tools.  Scott Prentice has very 
  kindly agreed to set up projects for this purpose on SourceForge.

 This is all very heart-warming: it's not often that Things Are As They Should 
 Be, especially after such a sad event.

 And thanks to Scott for taking this mantle on.

Indeed, yes! Thanks, Carolyn and Scott ... and thanks, Jeremy. It is Most 
Excellent to see that he chose to release the source code to the world.

I look forward to the continued support of MIF2Go and helping with it if and 
when I can.

Z

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RE: FrameMaker to HTML

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Rober Lauriston wrote:
 The tighter your budget, the worse the effects of false economies.

Yes, indeed.

 People who are used to getting great development tools such as Eclipse and 
 Git for free commonly make the false assumption that there are similar free 
 tools for documentation. It's part of the tech writer's role at a small 
 startup to educate management about this.

Agreed. However, startups - particularly small ones - rarely (ever?) hire tech 
writer's early enough to be able to provide that input at a time when it makes 
the most sense.

Most unfortunately!

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OT: Providing quality documentation when in startup mode

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Please pardon my off-topic (i.e., to FrameMaker) response here. But, I wouldn't 
mind hearing from others on my comments below - feel free to keep it off-line 
to me if you want.

Robert Lauriston wrote:
 Typically, we are overhead, and startups need to focus on selling something 
 first.

Yes, my company was not totally immune either.  But, as a founder of the 
company, I made sure that the quality of our documentation was deemed important 
right from the start.

For a few, very simple, reasons: 

(a) achieving those early sales can require good documentation for our 
customers.
(b) internal engineering specs have to accurately match what we want to 
develop and deploy.
(c) internal process docs (for our employees) need accuracy to ensure 
good support.

Because, fundamentally, I have always believed that the *quality* of 
documentation, particularly external technical stuff, is a reflection on the 
quality of the *rest* of the company. If we don't get our external technical 
docs right, then that same poor quality attitude could also match poor internal 
processes and reflect badly on our people.

The last thing we want to do is raise any doubts - even subconscious ones - in 
the mind of a customer seeking the kind of services we provide.

So, while I am not a tech writer by training or profession, I made sure that 
our documentation was as good as I could get it to be, till we got our first 
tech writer hired. 

My writing objectives (for technical documents, API's, etc.) are quite simple 
really:

(a) Thoroughly reviewed accuracy in the content (issues would lead to 
customers wasting time correcting their code that connected to our APIs).
(b) Anal consistency in the look-and-feel ... everywhere! Title, logo, 
paragraph spacing and indentation, tables, etc. (this is what leads to 
intuitive *quality* measures in readers).
(c) Spell-checked thoroughly (nothing speaks more to poor quality than 
spelling and grammar mistakes ... just like in resumes!)
(d) No ambiguity in reading a specification - multiple interpretations 
can lead to wasting time.
(e) Relatively frequent edits to fix any errors - I often released new 
versions whose sole purpose was to fix typographical errors. Accuracy fixes 
were always urgent.

FWIW, with about 90 people in the company, we have two writers - one is in 
Marketing and one in Engineering. The writer in Marketing does Marketing 
collateral, does white-papers (using my technical drafts to begin from) and 
writes for our blog, etc. The writer in Engineering does technical spec 
documents for customers. 

And, one more part-time writer in our Operations team. Works tech support for 
customers/networks after-hours when life is generally quiet,and thus has the 
time to write/update our internal process documents. Her work is reviewed by 
her peers in the department. Accuracy is far more important in these docs than 
look-and-feel or grammar. So, if some *fact* is wrong (rarely!), she will get 
relatively quick feedback from those users/peers! :)

Z

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RE: Providing quality documentation when in startup mode

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

 Because, fundamentally, I have always believed that the *quality* of 
 documentation, particularly external technical stuff, is a reflection on the 
 quality of the *rest* of the company.

BTW, when I look at documentation for a product, it gives me an indication of 
whether I want to do business with the company, or purchase/use their stuff, 
expect better support, etc.

But, I also make allowances for some issues.

For example, for a *small* overseas firm (i.e., outside the US), I will 
sometimes overlook - up to a point - language and grammar errors in their 
English docs, as long as the content is accurate and not too difficult to read. 
Particularly if the company is based in the Far East, where language 
differences are much more ... pronounced, shall we say.

However, if a company overseas - particularly a small one or in the Far East - 
provides excellent technical docs in English, then I will favor them *more*!

Z

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RE: OT: Providing quality documentation when in startup mode

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

 I didn't write that, Sean (techwordsm...@gmail.com) did.

Ah! Sorry about that ... e-mail editing error on my part.

 Same goes for the importance of UI design.

Yes! 

One of my favorite books (for web-site UI and look-and-feel): 
http://www.amazon.com/Dont-Make-Think-Revisited-Usability/dp/0321965515/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1405545790sr=1-1keywords=don%27t+make+me+think
 

Moral: Hire experts. Contract them if the work is not full-time.

We use an external company to do our web-site (data portal and UI) work for 
example.

Z

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RE: FM12: Quirks in Find/replace using RegEx (Perl)

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Hi, Fred.

Hmmm ... I understand your point, but am not sure I would entirely agree with 
the reasoning.

Yes, FrameMaker (and other programs like Word) do put in additional information 
besides the EOP glyph itself.

But, this is a relatively commonly used/desired function - certainly in simple 
text editors - to replace an EOP with other characters (perhaps including an 
EOP). For example, to join multiple lines together, or to do what Klaus 
mentions.

Yes, FM is not just a simple text editor, which is why I see your reasoning to 
not call it a bug.

But I think it would be good to define exactly what regular expression matching 
is supposed to do with EOP markers then (or have a special mechanism to 
identify and use an EOP more effectively perhaps?)

Z

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Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 8:02 AM
To: fr...@daube.ch; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM12: Quirks in Find/replace using RegEx (Perl)

No, I don't think it is a bug.
And end-of-paragraph mark is not a simple glyph; it has properties and 
attributes associated with it (e.g. a paragraph tag, the formatting associated 
with that paragraph tag, and any overrides to the standard formatting for the 
tag).
You can find an EOP as if it were a simple glyph because they do have a common 
fundamental property (i.e. denoting the end of a paragraph).
But you cannot effectively insert a new EOP in a replace string because there 
is no way to associate any of the other properties with the new mark.
Finding an EOP and replacing it with itself, on the other hand, is a valid 
operation because the found mark has a full complement of paragraph properties.

-Fred Ridder
 From: fr...@daube.chmailto:fr...@daube.ch
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 15:48:17 +0200
 Subject: FM12: Quirks in Find/replace using RegEx (Perl)

 Friends of FramMaker, please judge.

 I want to find incorrectly ended paragraphs (missing punctuation).
 For example the following 4 lines are paragraphs, the first 2 correct,
 the next two incorrect:

 This is the first paragraph!
 And this is the second one.
 And here a third
 And a fourth one:

 RegEx Find/Replace with these settings:
 Find: ([^\.!?])\n
 Repl: $1.\n
 Result: find is correct, replacement is n instead of paragraph end
 With repl = $1.\r replacement is a forced newline; correct, but not wanted.

 Find: ([^\.!?])(\n)
 Repl: $1.$2
 This creates a correct replacement!

 IMHO the behaviour of not honoring \n as an 'end of paragraph' for the 
 replacement is
 a bug. Do You agree?

 Klaus Daube
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RE: FM12: Quirks in Find/replace using RegEx (Perl)

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Yeah ... I have to admit that I can't argue with you on this too much. :) 
Because, there isn't a simple this is the right way to do the EOP insertions.

Although ... maybe ... Word stands a slightly better chance because of its 
Normal paragraph that could get applied by default. Of course, as you note, 
this could cause a mess with documents whose paragraphs have already been 
changed to some other paragraph format, etc.

Z

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To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); fr...@daube.ch; 
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM12: Quirks in Find/replace using RegEx (Perl)

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that it wouldn't be *useful* to be able to 
insert a new EOP. But the reality is that in either Word or FrameMaker (and I 
assume in other word processing applications) it is problematic because EOP is 
not a simple character. Regular expressions are designed to work with arbitrary 
strings of simple characters. They were never intended to handle characters 
that have formatting or page layout properties embedded in them. If a regular 
expression *were* able to insert a new EOP, what formatting should apply to it? 
Since regular expressions don't know about formatting, the only practical 
answer is the lowest level default formatting. But in any properly designed 
word processor document (i.e., one that uses styles) that default is going to 
be *wrong* in 99% of cases and require further, manual attention from the 
author, which really defeats the benefit of being able to use a regular 
expression replacement. A simple text editor is a completely different 
situation because there really is nothing special about an EOP.

I think the real point is that in Klaus' case the analysis of the task was 
slightly flawed. To fix his punctuation issue, what he really wants to do is 
insert a period (full stop) between the current unpunctuated text and the 
existing EOP, which is exactly what his second regular expression does. There 
really is no reason to delete the existing EOP (and all the magic embedded in 
it) and replace it with a brand-new, untagged EOP that would require his manual 
attention to tag and/or format. FrameMaker's behavior of not allowing this 
saves the user from having to do a lot of after-the-fact cleanup.

FrameMaker's regular expressions let you find EOPs without issue, and lets you 
reuse them. What they don't let you do is try to create a new one where there 
is insufficient information in the found text string(s) to do that operation 
without making a mess.

-Fred

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 09:10:33 -0700
Subject: RE: FM12: Quirks in Find/replace using RegEx (Perl)
Hi, Fred.

Hmmm ... I understand your point, but am not sure I would entirely agree with 
the reasoning.

Yes, FrameMaker (and other programs like Word) do put in additional information 
besides the EOP glyph itself.

But, this is a relatively commonly used/desired function - certainly in simple 
text editors - to replace an EOP with other characters (perhaps including an 
EOP). For example, to join multiple lines together, or to do what Klaus 
mentions.

Yes, FM is not just a simple text editor, which is why I see your reasoning to 
not call it a bug.

But I think it would be good to define exactly what regular expression matching 
is supposed to do with EOP markers then (or have a special mechanism to 
identify and use an EOP more effectively perhaps?)

Z

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 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 8:02 AM
To: fr...@daube.chmailto:fr...@daube.ch; 
framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM12: Quirks in Find/replace using RegEx (Perl)

No, I don't think it is a bug.
And end-of-paragraph mark is not a simple glyph; it has properties and 
attributes associated with it (e.g. a paragraph tag, the formatting associated 
with that paragraph tag, and any overrides to the standard formatting for the 
tag).
You can find an EOP as if it were a simple glyph because they do have a common 
fundamental property (i.e. denoting the end of a paragraph).
But you cannot effectively insert a new EOP in a replace string because there 
is no way to associate any of the other properties with the new mark.
Finding an EOP and replacing it with itself, on the other hand, is a valid 
operation because the found mark has a full complement of paragraph properties.

-Fred Ridder
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 To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 15:48:17 +0200
 Subject: FM12: Quirks

RE: Copying Word text to FM unstructured 12.

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

What I like to do is save the Word file as Plain Text from Word 2013 ... this 
is one of the options within Word to output file formats.

This makes every paragraph in the Word document stay as a single line in the 
text file.

When I read this text file into FrameMaker, the single line converts 
automatically into a single paragraph again.

One other thing I do is turn hyphenation off inside Word - this avoid dash 
character inserts inside the words.

Finally, saving this way helps my em-dashs, smart-quotes, etc., also stay 
properly output into the text files (have to use the Windows default option 
when saving as text).

Much simpler to do this rather than having to do tons of post-edits to fix all 
the special characters.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Winberg, Harold
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 10:25 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Copying Word text to FM unstructured 12.

Do I have to anything special when copying and pasting word into FM 12. I 
understand it should be plain text or it can retain a lot of Word garbage.

Does FM 12 take care of this or do I need to save or paste it as plain text??

Thanks
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RE: FrameMaker 9 on Windows 7 Ultimate

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Same here.

As I recall, I used FM 8, 9, 10 and 11 on Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit for quite 
some time on a Lenovo W-500 laptop, without any unusual behavior that I 
would/could attribute to Windows Ultimate.

2 years ago, I got a new Lenovo W-530 laptop with Windows 7 Pro 64-bit. I have 
FM 8 installed too, and it runs just fine.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig, Alison
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 11:27 AM
To: Robert Lauriston; M Lee; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9 on Windows 7 Ultimate

I've been running Frame 9 on Windows Ultimate 64 bit (i7 processor with 8 GB of 
ram) for at least 3 years and the only problems I have are the same occasional 
issues reported by any number of people running on a multitude of 
configurations.

The difference for me is that I'm running Frame 9 as a stand-alone option, not 
as part of the Tech Comm Suite.

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 11:00 AM
To: M Lee; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 9 on Windows 7 Ultimate

Lots of people have reported problems running FM9 on 64-bit Windows 7.
Can you upgrade to FM12?

On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 10:33 AM, M Lee marthale...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Robert,

 Tech support at FrameScript did not recommend that I run in XP 
 compatibility mode and recommended that I contact Adobe. I tried to 
 submit my problem to the FrameMaker forum this morning but kept 
 getting errors when I tried to submit my question.

 Martha



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 rob...@lauriston.com
 wrote:

 Contact FrameScript support for help.

 On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 7:19 AM, M Lee marthale...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi Matt,
 
  Unfortunately, it's not limited to a particular doc. And I forgot 
  to add that if I switch FrameMaker 9 to run in XP compatibility 
  mode, the crashes go away. But then my FrameScript add-on acts as 
  if it is unlicensed.


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RE: FrameMaker 9 on Windows 7 Ultimate

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

I ran FrameMaker – forget which version though, but was probably FM 8 – on a 
Alienware 17” M7700 system some years ago with Windows 7 Ultimate without any 
problems. Fast machine at that time for sure!

So, I would be surprised if the hardware is in any way an issue.

Are the files you are trying to open located on a network server perhaps?

Z


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of M Lee
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 4:31 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker 9 on Windows 7 Ultimate

Hi All,

I have been having trouble with FrameMaker 9 ever since my company got me a new 
machine. FrameMaker 9 consistently crashes when I open a file from within 
FrameMaker. It happens when I have to navigate from within this Open dialog.
I have Technical Communications Suite 2, and I'm running the Windows 7 Ultimate 
OS on an Alienware 17 machine with dual 2.4Ghz processors and 16 GB of RAM. 
This machine is actually a gaming laptop, which my company bought for me 
because it was the only machine they could find with the 17 inch screen and the 
kind of specs I need to run our CAD software. I'm wondering if there is 
something incompatible with this machine and FrameMaker or maybe with Windows 7 
Ultimate.
Any ideas?
Thanks.
Martha Lee
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RE: FrameMaker 9 on Windows 7 Ultimate

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

That is unfortunate. A few other things that might be of note.


1.  I assume that your installation of FM 9 is fully patched?

I was on FM 9 for only a short while – I did find it to be less than useful and 
did experience some crashes, but not to the degree that you seem to be 
experiencing! The change-over to the new UI was particularly irritating, and I 
went on to FM 10 and then FM 11 fairly soon.


2.  Have you considered doing a trial install of FM 12 to see if the system 
runs properly with that version?

If no issues, that may indicate that the hardware is fine in general.

Z


From: M Lee [mailto:marthale...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 11:11 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 9 on Windows 7 Ultimate

Hi Syed,
All the files I'm trying to open are local. What's annoying is that the machine 
I had before was a Windows 7 machine, 64-bit Home Edition, with no problems. 
When I got this upgrade, I started to have problems with FrameMaker.
Thanks.

Martha

On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain 
(syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net) 
syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:
I ran FrameMaker – forget which version though, but was probably FM 8 – on a 
Alienware 17” M7700 system some years ago with Windows 7 Ultimate without any 
problems. Fast machine at that time for sure!

So, I would be surprised if the hardware is in any way an issue.

Are the files you are trying to open located on a network server perhaps?

Z


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Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 4:31 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker 9 on Windows 7 Ultimate

Hi All,

I have been having trouble with FrameMaker 9 ever since my company got me a new 
machine. FrameMaker 9 consistently crashes when I open a file from within 
FrameMaker. It happens when I have to navigate from within this Open dialog.
I have Technical Communications Suite 2, and I'm running the Windows 7 Ultimate 
OS on an Alienware 17 machine with dual 2.4Ghz processors and 16 GB of RAM. 
This machine is actually a gaming laptop, which my company bought for me 
because it was the only machine they could find with the 17 inch screen and the 
kind of specs I need to run our CAD software. I'm wondering if there is 
something incompatible with this machine and FrameMaker or maybe with Windows 7 
Ultimate.
Any ideas?
Thanks.
Martha Lee

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RE: Can't activate FM 11...

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

As I recall, FrameMaker prompts you every time you start the program to either 
continue in trial mode, or enter a serial number.

Does that not show up?

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Karen Robbins
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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Can't activate FM 11...

My IT person installed a licensed copy of FM11 on my colleague's computer. I am 
the keeper of license info for our unit. Since I wasn't around, he installed as 
a trial version. Now we cannot figure out how to activate it... no evidence of 
any screen or window in which to register, activate, enter a serial number, etc.

In the past, we've done this in one step so although I can't remember exactly 
how it goes, I know there's a place to enter all the appropriate stuff. Where 
oh where is it?

Thanks much,

Karen
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RE: Using a backslash (\) in Hypertext marker

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

 Did Adobe lose the About pathnames in commands topic somewhere along the 
 way?
 In a pathname, folder levels are separated by a slash (/), even in Windows.
 http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/help.html?content=Chap17-Hypertext-Viewonly-Docs_11.html

Forward slashes still work fine in FrameMaker ... I use them.

I believe the originator of this thread was trying to use backslashes and 
needed to understand how to use two of them everywhere he needed one in the 
actual string. 

Z

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