Re: [Vo]:[Rossi TR#2] Reactor close down : all Li and Ni converted. Coincidentally?
the powder change seems quite simple... no complex procedure... surprising. 2014-10-09 15:53 GMT+02:00 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com: At 04:23 AM 10/9/2014, Teslaalset wrote: I find it quite a coincident that after 32 days approximately all Ni and Li were transmuted to Ni62 and Li6. I would have guessed that running out of the original isotopes would create a reduced performance which would be the reason for shutdown. Why has this not been mentioned? Although none of the tests show it, I still believe that the ECAT will run, as advertised, for at least 6 months on one charge. The time for this test was set by the experimental team (and most likely by their host, which was paying for the power). I'm beginning to think that this transmutation was a burn-in secondary effect, particularly for the Lithium, which was there only to provide the hydrogen. If you ignore the bump when they changed the input power levels (files 4 to 6) the COP increased almost linearly over the whole test. So maybe the long term COP depends on these transmutations -- ie the availability of (most likely) Ni62, and coincidentally Li6 -- and would have stabilized just a few days later when the transmutation was complete. I wonder if Rossi knew this would happen. However, he usually runs his Ecats at higher power, so the burn-in might be much quicker -- and he's never analyzed the ash that early. He's also hinted that the 1MW baby at the customer has also needed constant attention and adjustment (including being called out in the middle of the night). Maybe it too is undergoing a settling-in period --- it's also been running for less than a month. But we won't get those results for at least a year, and they will be purely internal documents. In short, I think it IS coincidental that the Ni and Li transmutation was nearly complete at the end of the run, but that some other reaction continues beyond that point. And even if the 1g charge DID have to be replaced monthly it would probably still be economical.
Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden
NyTeknik just make an article about the Boss of Elforsk who play the cautious man, but say he will launche a research effor on that subject with partners... http://www.nyteknik.se/asikter/debatt/article3854541.ece david made a translation http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/691-CEO-Elforsk-Magnus-Olofsson/?postID=1330#post1330 this is good. we have to see how big is the budget, and who are the partners. Maybe I will have a surprise. 2014-10-09 16:02 GMT+02:00 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com: At 08:20 AM 10/8/2014, Alan Fletcher wrote: Releasing the report during Nobel week means that all the scientific journalists will be busy on that and/or won't have space for it (print versions). Still no media mention -- not even NyTeknik. So it can't go in the wiki article yet. (Also, as a semi-leaked paper, it's not clear what its copyright status is. We only have Mat Lewan's comment that Essen sent it to him and that it's public)
Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden
not 6 month... the longitudinal hair cutters will say Rossi lied ! moreover it was done by LEVI, and others accomplice... thus since Levi have seen an E-cat test work, and have not said it is a fraud (a sure fact), you know that he is himself part of the fraud, and thus his report have no value. that he have co-author just mean they are in the fraud too. moreover it will be published in a journal that let fraudster like Rossi, or Levi , publish... thus it is not a serious journal. thus this report have no value. so it does not work QED #lol 2014-10-08 14:33 GMT+02:00 Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com: A very positive test. Craig On 10/08/2014 08:24 AM, Ron Kita wrote: Greetings Vortex-L, Just saw thishave not evaluated it: http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/10/08/e-cat-report-leaked/ Ad Astra, Ron Kita, Chiralex Doylestown PA
Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden
the four neutron absorption remind be the 2,4 or 6 deuteron absorbed in Iwamura, as Ed Storms spotted. It is coherent with a symmetric reaction involving either 2/4/6 neutrons, or 2/4/6 hydrogen atoms . since there is no thermal neutron observed, there is no neutron involved in high quantity, or at leas some will thermalize since there is no huge gamma, it looks natural that CoM is respected because the reaction is symmetric in space. or else ther would be huge charge particles and induced gamma from slowing dows and reactions in the lattice... 2014-10-08 16:16 GMT+02:00 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net: Although LENR supporters will be impressed at first glance, the biggest problems – already being mentioned - and they could be fatal to wider acceptance, are that Levi remains the lead author and the lack of reliable calorimetry, and the strange isotope shifts. Look at these ! Bizarre and telling (to the extent they can be believed) ! Appendix 3, Table 1 seems to propose – on first glance - that the gain is coming from Ni58 being converted to Ni62 by stripping four neutrons from 4 atoms of Li7 to convert it to Li6. Wow but there is no gamma radiation or remnant emission from the ash. That M.O. is the first time this has come up but of course – lithium has been a known reactant since the start/. Is there a better explanation? I will have to admit to being both impressed with the detail and the equipment used, but mildly disappointed on first read – not so much that I do not believe this, but knowing how it will be received in a wider audience. This is probably not going to be the instant bombshell, or extremely well-prepared announcement from truly independent scientists that we had hoped for. However, it could mature to that level if this lithium transfer of neutrons can be independently established. And this could actually happen quickly. There has been interest in lithium, going back decades - in being among the few elements which can densify other elements, in the sense of being able to be completely absorbed into the electron shell instead of being covalently bound. I know of a Lab which has been looking into this lithium phenomenon for many years – off-and-on. It is possible that a truly independent confirmation of a lithium neutron transfer has been seen with another host, one which could lead to this result – and it will carry the day - but that could take a few weeks. Unfortunately there are some nuclear proliferation issues involved. *From:* Foks0904 Also wasn't this supposed to have been carried out by others beside Levi, Essen, and company? I don't see any new names here. Not that it matters to me, but won't we just hear the same bullshit objections that it's a inside job? It's here! And it's positive! I suppose not too shocking to any of us here. COP looks very healthy and somewhere in between French's magic numbers and Jones'/Brian Ahern's speculations. Also looks like the ash changed significantly indicating some kind of novel nuclear reaction, as indicated by Miles, McKubre, and many others from past PdD work. But I haven't looked it over thoroughly enough yet. Fun days ahead folks! Craig Haynie wrote: A very positive test. Craig On 10/08/2014 08:24 AM, Ron Kita wrote: Greetings Vortex-L, Just saw thishave not evaluated it: http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/10/08/e-cat-report-leaked/ Ad Astra, Ron Kita, Chiralex Doylestown PA
Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden
indeed. to be honest AFAIK they don't need that report to know it. however it can help them not to be ridiculed and fired. 2014-10-08 16:40 GMT+02:00 Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com: My opinion is that it will matter to the people who can do something with the information. It will matter to people with money to fund research and companies who don't live in ivory towers. It will matter to potential industrial customers of IH. In the end, I think Rossi will be proven correct with his statement of In Mercato Veritas -- In the market is truth. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.com wrote: *This is probably not going to be the instant bombshell, or extremely well-prepared announcement from truly independent scientists that we had hoped for.* Agreed. I don't think any of us should be pinning all our hopes on this overturning establishment beliefs, but I think it's a rather large/important piece of the puzzle, no? On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Although LENR supporters will be impressed at first glance, the biggest problems – already being mentioned - and they could be fatal to wider acceptance, are that Levi remains the lead author and the lack of reliable calorimetry, and the strange isotope shifts. Look at these ! Bizarre and telling (to the extent they can be believed) ! Appendix 3, Table 1 seems to propose – on first glance - that the gain is coming from Ni58 being converted to Ni62 by stripping four neutrons from 4 atoms of Li7 to convert it to Li6. Wow but there is no gamma radiation or remnant emission from the ash. That M.O. is the first time this has come up but of course – lithium has been a known reactant since the start/. Is there a better explanation? I will have to admit to being both impressed with the detail and the equipment used, but mildly disappointed on first read – not so much that I do not believe this, but knowing how it will be received in a wider audience. This is probably not going to be the instant bombshell, or extremely well-prepared announcement from truly independent scientists that we had hoped for. However, it could mature to that level if this lithium transfer of neutrons can be independently established. And this could actually happen quickly. There has been interest in lithium, going back decades - in being among the few elements which can densify other elements, in the sense of being able to be completely absorbed into the electron shell instead of being covalently bound. I know of a Lab which has been looking into this lithium phenomenon for many years – off-and-on. It is possible that a truly independent confirmation of a lithium neutron transfer has been seen with another host, one which could lead to this result – and it will carry the day - but that could take a few weeks. Unfortunately there are some nuclear proliferation issues involved. *From:* Foks0904 Also wasn't this supposed to have been carried out by others beside Levi, Essen, and company? I don't see any new names here. Not that it matters to me, but won't we just hear the same bullshit objections that it's a inside job? It's here! And it's positive! I suppose not too shocking to any of us here. COP looks very healthy and somewhere in between French's magic numbers and Jones'/Brian Ahern's speculations. Also looks like the ash changed significantly indicating some kind of novel nuclear reaction, as indicated by Miles, McKubre, and many others from past PdD work. But I haven't looked it over thoroughly enough yet. Fun days ahead folks! Craig Haynie wrote: A very positive test. Craig On 10/08/2014 08:24 AM, Ron Kita wrote: Greetings Vortex-L, Just saw thishave not evaluated it: http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/10/08/e-cat-report-leaked/ Ad Astra, Ron Kita, Chiralex Doylestown PA
Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in
it seems to be as Beaudette observed with nuclear physicist. they imagine calorimetry is not science by cooking (and even cooking is serious) 2014-10-08 23:57 GMT+02:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Pomp, pomp, pomp: http://stephanpomp.blogspot.se/2014/10/the-cat-is-dead.html He apparently believes that calorimetry does not work, Prof. Stephan Boltzman are frauds, and the laws of thermodynamics have been repealed. Incorrigible is the word that comes to mind. I am not a bit surprised. I had no doubt the skeptics would respond this way. - Jed
[Vo]:
Hi all I fall on that message by pilgrim108 on ECW http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/10/02/mats-lewan-to-publish-second-edition-of-an-impossible-invention-following-report/#comment-1619387115 Bose ( the company ) claims to have had 10 people checking out cold fusion for 2 years in the early 90's. Their conclusion was that the excess heat could be explained by a missing term in the calculations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZopU5T3IqEk http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tec... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/technology-topics/11138572/Bose-at-50-beyond-sound.html He found out tha Bose claimed having explain an error in cold fusion. when I refer to Beaudette book it is not amond the listed critiques, nor any other I heard of (Shanahan CCS) (NB: I could not view the video... is the a transcript) http://iccf9.global.tsinghua.edu.cn/lenr%20home%20page/acrobat/BeaudetteCexcessheat.pdf#page=35 does any have the paper on the critique, and the comments of the experts on it's substance ? maybe is it simply a negative experiment, and not a debunking ?
Re: [Vo]:
ramsey approach is evident... it seems cargo cult skepticism take over some academic circle... 2014-10-04 22:58 GMT+02:00 James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com: Typical pseudo-debunking. The only guy in the establishment circles remotely worthy of respect was Norman Ramsey when he said even one excess heat event would be revolutionary. *Ordinarily, new scientific discoveries are claimed to be consistent and reproducible; as a result, if the experiments are not complicated, the discovery can usually be confirmed or disproved in a few months. The claims of cold fusion, however, are unusual in that even the strongest proponents of cold fusion assert that the experiments, for unknown reasons, are not consistent and reproducible at the present time. However, even a single short but valid cold fusion period would be revolutionary. * - Dr. Norman Ramsey, Nobel laureate and professor of physics at Harvard University was the only person on the the 1989 Department of Energy cold fusion review panel to voice a dissenting opinion. Ramsey insisted on the inclusion of this preamble as an alternative to his resignation from the panel. The rest should be taken out in the parking lot and shot, including the pseudo-debunkers at Bose. On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all I fall on that message by pilgrim108 on ECW http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/10/02/mats-lewan-to-publish-second-edition-of-an-impossible-invention-following-report/#comment-1619387115 Bose ( the company ) claims to have had 10 people checking out cold fusion for 2 years in the early 90's. Their conclusion was that the excess heat could be explained by a missing term in the calculations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZopU5T3IqEk http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tec... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/technology-topics/11138572/Bose-at-50-beyond-sound.html He found out tha Bose claimed having explain an error in cold fusion. when I refer to Beaudette book it is not amond the listed critiques, nor any other I heard of (Shanahan CCS) (NB: I could not view the video... is the a transcript) http://iccf9.global.tsinghua.edu.cn/lenr%20home%20page/acrobat/BeaudetteCexcessheat.pdf#page=35 does any have the paper on the critique, and the comments of the experts on it's substance ? maybe is it simply a negative experiment, and not a debunking ?
Re: [Vo]:Rossi Report will come, old paradigm will depart
8) wait a little. 2014-10-03 2:16 GMT+02:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: John – if COP of 6-10 is seen over an extended time period, much of the mainstream physics community will go into full apoplectic and anaphylactic shock. It may never recover from the embarrassment. I do not think the COP will make any difference. I do not think this report will have any effect on the scientific establishment, unless it is published in Nature. I am pretty sure it will not be in Nature! However, I think it may have a positive impact. It may shake loose more funding for the research. Funding is what we need most at this stage. Even more than recognition. Of course, with recognition would come funding, but also opposition which we do not need. If word gets out that cold fusion is now attracting tens of millions in research funding, then most of the academic opposition will vanish overnight. Researchers everywhere will be applying for grants to study it. As Stan Szpak says, scientists believe whatever you pay them to believe. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Off Topic: Flu Season
I imagine that the hEbola virus is build, and not a natural variant... Just make a similar one and you get around the patent I suspect that some of the claims are not defendable since it is not clear enough for replication ... especially (5) which is not self evident but is a process in itself. anyway someone can patent a way to make a hEbola attenuated in a better, more easy, innovative way. 2014-10-02 14:30 GMT+02:00 Charles Francis fran...@datacomm.ch: Seems the human-infectious form of Ebola was patented back in 2010 by a US government lab (CDC): http://www.google.com/patents/CA2741523A1?cl=en Claims: 1. An isolated hEbola virus comprising a nucleic acid molecule... 2. An isolated hEbola virus having Centers for Disease Control Deposit Accession No. 200706291. And likewise any vaccine that might be forthcoming: 3. The hEbola virus of any one of claims 1 or 2 which is killed. 4. The hEbola virus of claim 1 which is an attenuated hEbola virus. 5. The virus of claim 4 wherein at least one property of the attenuated hEbola virus is reduced from among infectivity, replication ability, protein synthesis ability, assembling ability or cytopathic effect. *From:* James Bowery [mailto:jabow...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Mittwoch, 1. Oktober 2014 01:08 *To:* vortex-l *Subject:* [Vo]:Off Topic: Flu Season Sorry but since none of the usual policy experts want to touch this with a ten-foot poll, it is shaping up to have some features in common with other civilization-impacting failures of policy experts with which this list is all-too familiar: Early symptoms of Ebola are flu-like and it is contagious during these flu-like symptoms. Now ... consider the fact that flu season is upon us. But you know what's _really_ frightening about this? Not one of the goddamn idiot authorities has even mentioned, let alone assessed, this confounding situation's impact on public health containment measures. Now THAT'S frightening! Read the CDC's guidelines on monitoring and movement of persons with exposure http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/monitoring-and-movement-of-persons-with-exposure.htmland tell me their guidelines work for a country in the throes of massive incidence of flu-like symptoms.
Re: [Vo]:Off Topic: Flu Season
I don't take conspiracy, except the one of stupidity seriously, because the only horrors that are being planned are public and popular. however if you imagine that some conspiracy is using a disease to establish a control of our freedoms and destinies, you should not use the software of WW2, V like Vendetta vision of dictatorship (even if the mothod is currently used by 2 groups IMHO), but you should open your eyes and see who is promoting the end of democracy , the end of demography, of course only in semi-internal discussion, but not so hidden. in fact it is not far from WW2 process, provided you consider the story from the 20-30s, and not the end of the story which involve dead influence group (except in Ukraine, but CNN is there to correct that fact about heroic UPA)... Sorry I'm a bit dark today because I've seen V like vendetta, Hong Kong, Ebola, Lenin put down by Neo-Nazi under the applause of CNN camera and I've been discussing (?) with people who want to behead scientists... not in the name of a god (sure?), but of rationality and reality... beware of the popular guys, the sacred cows... 2014-10-02 20:10 GMT+02:00 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net: Couldn’t resist this, on a balmy day … Looks like Gilead, the big Pharma located not far from here - which conspiracy-theory pundits say is poised to become the IG Farben of the New World Order, seems to have its foot in the ebola door, as expected. http://www.bidnessetc.com/24103-ebola-drug-zmapps-success-paves-way-for-other-antibody-treatments/ The ‘good book’ repeatedly mentions a “balm of Gilead” as more than symbolism, and it has become deeply ingrained in modern culture, thanks to TV evangelists… possibly as some kind of a miracle cure direct from Yahweh… (or maybe it comes from Yahoo) but anyway, it is a cure only for benefit of the “chosen” (and presumably denied to heathens). That would be in the sense of “population control”. The balm of Gilead was an actual remedy some 3000 years ago - for what would now be called the flu. A big surprise is that Gilead’s diminutive former CEO was not involved in the current ebola panic … or was he? Someone from Gilead seems to be pulling strings every flu season to overhype their latest snake oil cure. CDC was on the verge of naming a virus after them, at least before the generous the very Gilead PAC started handing out large $tipends at stockholders expense. Now they want to run under the radar, but Gilead cannot rewrite history – how it profited mightily on the vastly overhyped Tamiflu, bird flu, swine flu, AIDS and so on in rapid succession, and can afford to pay the current CEO well over $40 million per year by charging exorbitant prices for needed medicine. Most of their med were invented at taxpayer expense in one way or another. As a PR gesture, Gilead sent Tamiflu over to Roche, to clean up the PR mess, but they still get massive royalties, despite having washed their hands of some of the stink. What is the Gilead angle on ebola? Probably a new version of Tamiflu… Tamiflu is the balm of Gilead … meaning that it makes your bank account “run” faster than your nose, after you get the bill… J *From:* Charles Francis Seems the human-infectious form of Ebola was patented back in 2010 by a US government lab (CDC): http://www.google.com/patents/CA2741523A1?cl=en Claims: 1. An isolated hEbola virus comprising a nucleic acid molecule... 2. An isolated hEbola virus having Centers for Disease Control Deposit Accession No. 200706291. And likewise any vaccine that might be forthcoming: 3. The hEbola virus of any one of claims 1 or 2 which is killed. 4. The hEbola virus of claim 1 which is an attenuated hEbola virus. 5. The virus of claim 4 wherein at least one property of the attenuated hEbola virus is reduced from among infectivity, replication ability, protein synthesis ability, assembling ability or cytopathic effect. *From:* James Bowery [mailto:jabow...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Mittwoch, 1. Oktober 2014 01:08 *To:* vortex-l *Subject:* [Vo]:Off Topic: Flu Season Sorry but since none of the usual policy experts want to touch this with a ten-foot poll, it is shaping up to have some features in common with other civilization-impacting failures of policy experts with which this list is all-too familiar: Early symptoms of Ebola are flu-like and it is contagious during these flu-like symptoms. Now ... consider the fact that flu season is upon us. But you know what's _really_ frightening about this? Not one of the goddamn idiot authorities has even mentioned, let alone assessed, this confounding situation's impact on public health containment measures. Now THAT'S frightening! Read the CDC's guidelines on monitoring and movement of persons with exposure http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/monitoring-and-movement-of-persons-with-exposure.htmland tell me their guidelines work for a country in the throes of
Re: [Vo]:Gamma fractionalization and the DDL via Quantum dots
question is the dose... Rossi mostly said that ther was no dangerous radiation, not much above baclground. a peak, eg at 511kev is not necessarily a danger yet can be detected. from ed Storms books and papers it is clear there are x-rays, but not much and there is a cutoff energy... section 4.6 of the science of LENr talk of it. 2014-09-30 19:43 GMT+02:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Ø Rossi saw 512KeV gamma from positrons in his early reactors. No, he didn’t. Rossi says over and over that there is no gamma radiation. He says Focardi’s theory had predicted gamma, but none was ever observed. On the other hand, Celani said he did measure gamma radiation during Rossi's test. Rossi was very upset with him for bringing in the meters. I do not know what to make of it, but that is what happened. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation
I don't see how it challenge FP, it is theory? 2014-09-28 2:34 GMT+02:00 H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com: On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 5:42 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to H Veeder's message of Wed, 24 Sep 2014 23:04:12 -0400: Hi Harry, [snip] Since we are dealing in impossibilities from the outset, it seems like false logic to argue that the probability of endothermic reactions is improbable. [snip] I have told you what I think and why. Whether or not you choose to accept it is up to you. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html I found this drawing on a site which happened to be extremely critical of PF's research. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OpDKkgdQKrgP29Nxa0N_biIsLz0qeY8UGDGpFJCFSy0/edit?usp=sharing What I like about the drawing is that it shows the three d-d fusion pathways all passing through the same intermediate stage of high energy helium 4. I modified the drawing to show the reaction going in both directions before the excited intermediate stage has a chance to decay. I think that the lattice facilitates the initiation of fusion but it also tends to inhibits the completion the fusion process. The question of course is of what relevancy is this scenario if it does not produce energy? If it can form an epicatalytic process then it is very relevant. Harry
Re: [Vo]:3D printed car
2k$ cars ? this is what happen in emerging countries with moped and motorbikes, it has much success. 2014-09-21 3:55 GMT+02:00 Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net: Who knows what will happen. $2K cars? Tiny small single-seater vehicles for commuters to drive to work or to the grocery store. Self driving cars? Yea, very likely too. Transportation will evolve. Collectively, we will determine the best course of action. Very few individuals on their own have the capacity to predict what will eventually happen. The unpredictable collective principals of emergence will drive this one, not any single individual. Perhaps a little bit of synchronicity will play mysteriously into the mixture as well. For example... Years ago I was visiting Portland. While there I went into Powells Bookstore. I was wandering aimlessly down a dark isle my hand reached out for a book. I'm not sure what it was about this book that initially caught my eye. However, when I picked it out I noticed the author had spent some time studying the social behavior of ants. He spent some time studying these creature because he was researching the rules of emergence and how those rules play out within complex societies. The mysterious rules of emergence work with all kinds of living creature from all scales, from brain cells, insects, all the way up to humans crammed within a city environment. The subject of ants combined with the concept of emergence piqued my interest. I recalled as a young teenager I had studied the hive minded behavior of social insects - like ants. I managed several ant farms which included the queen. Sometimes I spent hours watching the collective behavior of these creatures with a powerful magnifying glass. Returning back to the present I was curious as to who the author was. Was it anyone I knew? Here is the author talking about his book on emergence at a TED talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/steven_johnson_on_the_web_as_a_city?language=en Other than the fact that I could not rid myself of a feeling that the equally mysterious rules of synchronicity had perhaps played an amusing game with my psyche, the author bares no relation with me whatsoever. Granted, I realize I'm anthropomorphizing the behavior of the Universe. But what the hell. The universe plays tricks with me all the time. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Anomalous Thrust Production from an RF Test Device
no theory is proven, this hard to predict. Shawyer explains that CoE is respected, as CoM. if the thrust is used to accelerate the energy in the cavity is absorbed by doopler effect... I doubt on shawyer theory but this idea to conserve CoE seems a good basic, as CoE is based on some essential symmetry of physics over time. same for CoM like for LENR, if confirmed, I suspect it will be over simplification of CoM/CoE that are the error, not the symmetries. 2014-09-20 0:39 GMT+02:00 Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. hoyt-stea...@cox.net: If this phenomenon is really true, it suggests a number of questions, e.g. : A reactionless thrust means that the power output could be very large since power = thrust * speed, and if the speed is high so is the power, so COP could be very big. Does the RF power needed increase as the speed increases? Speed with respect to what -- the ether? It would be trivial to make a self sustaining energy source if one of these was spinning or moving very fastly driving a generator for its own RF source. Hoyt Stearns Scottsdale, Arizona US *From:* MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] *Sent:* Friday, September 19, 2014 8:55 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* [Vo]:Anomalous Thrust Production from an RF Test Device FYI: I know this kind of tech has been discussed by the Collective before, but here’s some recent results from NASA… http://www.libertariannews.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/AnomalousThrustProductionFromanRFTestDevice-BradyEtAl.pdf Excerpt from Abstract: “During the first (Cannae) portion of the campaign, approximately 40 micronewtons of thrust were observed in an RF resonant cavity test article excited at approximately 935 megahertz and 28 watts. During the subsequent (tapered cavity) portion of the campaign, approximately 91 micronewtons of thrust were observed in an RF resonant cavity test article excited at approximately 1933 megahertz and 17 watts. Testing was performed on a lowthrust torsion pendulum that is capable of detecting force at a single-digit micronewton level. Test campaign results indicate that the RF resonant cavity thruster design, which is unique as an electric propulsion device, is producing a force that is not attributable to any classical electromagnetic phenomenon and therefore is potentially demonstrating an interaction with the quantum vacuum virtual plasma.” -mark iverson -- http://www.avast.com/ This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active.
Re: [Vo]:niceties about our Century and a bit about LENR
The general reason is that it is much safer to discuss something you know than to open up to the unknown. I don't think it is the greatest cause. As I live in a country build on massive groupthink and dissenters elimination, I know the Parkinsson observation you cite. however the reason why people focus on punny or endless debate it is because they are endless, and allow people to make unresolvable battle of values and ego. The debate that are forbidden are those where the conclusion is clear. In groupthink people can say we have tested all and dissenters can answer except what is working. On cold fusion I see often that people debate on questionable experiments, questionable entrepreneurs, but mostly avoid clear evidences that let no questions. Taleb have a principle that what is true does not need many evidences... Just citing FP92 and McKubre experiments should close the debate on excess heat, as those experiments have been under high scrutiny and never challenged seriously. Tritium may close the is it nuclear with few experiments like BARC and Texas AM, confirmed by the know fraud/cherry picking of gary taubes whose theory show the lack of honesty of the whole community of critics, and their totale absence of arguments despite huge strutiny. 2-3 Helium experiments (I let Jed propose the best one) as debated here are enough in that context to prove by statistics (correlation, not absolute value, like Higgs - science is above tea kettle arguments and know how to interpret weak signal since centuries) that Helium participates PdD LENR. This explain also why we prefer to discuss on theory than on experiments... another bias is that as Peter noticed we start to ignore old evidences that let no doubt, not because they have lost any value, but because the have not convinced the one who cannot be convinced... imagining that new evidence can convince better. You cannot wake someone who just pretend to sleep. If 2-3 good experiments cannot convince someone at least to emit good structured critics, there is no need to go further. 2014-09-18 20:17 GMT+02:00 Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com: Hi Peter, I saw your post. I agree that the old proverb prepare for the worst and hope for the best is valid. It is just that it feels better to approach problems with a positive attitude - for me at least. I agree about the political side of the issue. I merely wanted to express that I am not convinced by any system and definitely do not support any popular US party. Yes now and then they express the same opinion. The difference is that they have no intention / ability / passion for the implementation. It is just pure propaganda. Kleptocracy do rule. In regards to the habit of take out old already solved problems it is part of the group thinking. Parkinson expressed that in his second law ' Time devoted to discussions about issues is reversed proportional to the importance of the issues'. (The first says that a task takes the time allotted to the task). The general reason is that it is much safer to discuss something you know than to open up to the unknown. BTW I liked your statements about the truth. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you dear Lennart I have answered in part with my essay of today. We will discuss later the political issues by private posts it's more polite so. Peter On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 11:14 PM, Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com wrote: Yes, Peter it was a bit depressive. I am more optimistic than you are. I think the world is self correcting. Too much of something and there will be a pressure to stop, which eventually will bring things back toward neutral and beyond for a new opposite pressure. I have said many times that I believe we have way too much believe in large organizations and 'fair' limitations. I do not think ever was meant to be fair and I do not think we need large government to protect us from each other. ( BTW In reality the protection they offer is just lip service - combined with a lot of CYA.). Yes, we give up our individual rights so we will be secure by big organizations. No, none owns THE truth. *Intolerance kills people, tolerance destroys the Society.* You say- so why not chose tolerance , it is easier than the opposite. Who wants the totally organized and secure society? You say, that dumbing down people is a major achievement today. Yes, we are exchanging common sense with policies, than nobody is responsible but the policy (which never can be changed just mitigated with three new policies. I predict a reaction within 50 years where the individual becomes in the center
Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation
interesting debate... Mizuno support of experimental results for some, implies support of his theory, thus critic of the experimental results of those whose result challenge Mizuno theory... I think that premature focus on theory is THE problem. I have re read the history of cold fusion, Huizenga doctrine, and I'm fed up... ACCEPT EVIDENCES first FORGET THEORY until you have enough coherent experimental results that match well. CHALLENGE EXPERIMENTS CAUTIOUSLY probably Mizuno and Miles and DeNinno and Iwamura/takahashi are all right on their experimental results... and all wrong on their theory... that is normal. they have done good job, experimentally... and theory is premature. I just notice He4/heat corelation is more replicated than Mizuno, so we should be more cautious with Mizuno... but theory is not an implicit excuse to challenge an experiment. My way to analyse experimental results is not one by one (that is the job of reviewers), but on the trends, the behavior of the experiments. You can guess if a pile of experiments is based on a reality , a groupthink, an artifact, just by the way the results change from experimental parameters and setup. langmuir criteria were based on the same idea, and Beaudette explais well how it's criteria don't apply at all to cold fusion. The way helium did not appear in blank test, and correlate well with heat, is a much stronger evidence than one 10x background result. ENEA/SRI/NRL replications in FP cells is better evidence than E-cat test at kW level. Relation to the dose in epidemiology is a key factor, as in experimental science. anyway I agree that theory is fun, but even if we dream that one theory is good and that some dissenting experiments are badly done, it should be proposed as very speculative, questioning, polite... Experiments are much more solid than theories. Not definitive, but much more solid than theories. That is Beaudette Doctrine. I support it. 2014-09-18 23:02 GMT+02:00 Ruby r...@hush.com: On 9/18/14, 6:24 AM, Jones Beene wrote: Well, Ruby I hope Miles is correct (from the standpoint of strong LENR advocacy on my part) and I thank you for following up with the proper question. All of us here should only be concerned with the science – not promoting one theory or another. Most of us do want to promote a proper understanding of what makes LENR work, however and sometimes that goes against the grain. At some point, we have to have confidence in the results from a lab. Dr. Miles has defended his results successfully from all sides, and pays attention to details to do it. As a former Navy scientist, he had access to what he needed. He does not state conclusions lightly. For me, and despite what Miles has told you today - the lack of gammas overwhelms any claim that I have seen of helium in proportion to heat. But again, all it takes is an experiment where ppm of helium is being made, and we should have that report in a matter of months. That is your prerogative. However, the fact the the heat-helium correlation has been made multiple times since Miles' work, should factor into anyone's thinking on the matter. In particular, the work SRI did is exemplary. The correlation is strong. In any other field, this would be clearly seen as fact. In cold fusion, it seems the lack of discipline, the lack of historical knowledge, the lack of knowledge of the experimental data, combined with the euphoria of social media, allows any unfounded criticism to be amplified beyond it's usefulness. The think I find most alarming is the “circle the wagons” mentality that seems to be happening in certain cliques against Mizuno’s work. It is anti-scientific and counter-productive. Neither I or Miles have said anything about Mizuno. I am not sure who is circling the wagons. To quell confusion in the minds of lurkers, and those who might positively contribute to the field, I am setting the record straight: heat and helium are correlated for Pd-D systems by professional scientists from agencies and institutes who've successfully defended their work for over two decades. What is means is there is a clear nuclear effect from safe, table-top cells. And when deuterium is the fuel, helium is a result, a result that correlates with the mass-energy expected from DD fusion. This does not point to any particular theory, only a correlation of effects. See pages 86-91 in Storms' The Science of LENR published 2007 by World Scientific for the historical facts on the heat-helium correlation, a very real and documented effect. http://www.worldscientific.com/worldscibooks/10.1142/6425 I will end my participation in this discussion here. It's back to work for me, again. Sigh. I wish you success in your research efforts, Jones. Ruby *From:* Ruby From Dr. Melvin Miles: *Jones Beene is simply wrong about the accuracy of helium-4 measurements. The laboratories that I used for my samples
Re: [Vo]:Anomalous Thrust Production from an RF Test Device
there is even more recent information on that test http://nextbigfuture.com/2014/09/nasa-cannae-drive-and-emdrive.html and previous http://nextbigfuture.com/search/label/emdrive read also wired answer to some critics http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-08/07/10-qs-about-nasa-impossible-drive Shawyer give more on his version http://emdrive.com/ http://www.emdrive.com/yang-juan-paper-2012.pdf http://emdrive.com/faq.html forget the theories, there are 4 (relativity with Shwayer, maxwell QM for chinese, Fette which is disproven experimentally, and nasa idea of quantum plasma)... the main reason to take those test seriously is that all armchair artifacts have been taken seriously and mitigated. moreover the effect happens only at resonance, which eliminate nearly all artifact claims. in the paper of nasa there is the most important comment lost at the end, that it did not work when removing some dielectric (science publication by footnotes like for HTSC http://www.mosaicsciencemagazine.org/pdf/m18_03_87_04.pdf ) the annoying facts is that, even when accounting for power difference, the efficiency of fetta, null fetta, and shwyer reactors are very different... maybe teh Q factor... even shawayer reactor when tested by yang Juan did not exhibit monotonic power to thrust relation... more work to do to confirm it. I have a scoop.it used as a link bin, if you want to dig http://www.scoop.it/t/emdrive a real blackswan technology, unlike LENR which is a whiteswan covered with soot. 2014-09-19 17:55 GMT+02:00 MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net: FYI: I know this kind of tech has been discussed by the Collective before, but here’s some recent results from NASA… http://www.libertariannews.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/AnomalousThrustProductionFromanRFTestDevice-BradyEtAl.pdf Excerpt from Abstract: “During the first (Cannae) portion of the campaign, approximately 40 micronewtons of thrust were observed in an RF resonant cavity test article excited at approximately 935 megahertz and 28 watts. During the subsequent (tapered cavity) portion of the campaign, approximately 91 micronewtons of thrust were observed in an RF resonant cavity test article excited at approximately 1933 megahertz and 17 watts. Testing was performed on a lowthrust torsion pendulum that is capable of detecting force at a single-digit micronewton level. Test campaign results indicate that the RF resonant cavity thruster design, which is unique as an electric propulsion device, is producing a force that is not attributable to any classical electromagnetic phenomenon and therefore is potentially demonstrating an interaction with the quantum vacuum virtual plasma.” -mark iverson
[Vo]:Scicast prediction on LENR - retroprediction?
Which organization(s) will publish the first paper describing a net energy positive Low Energy Nuclear Reaction (also known as cold fusion) device or process in a journal indexed on Thomson Reuters Web of Science? https://scicast.org/#!/questions/152/comments/safe --my answer-- I think the question is ill-formulated Net energy is published in peer reviewed journal since long. maybe not all are in the TRWoS but many are like Naturwissenschaften or Journal of electroanalythical chemistry among the 153+ positive excess heat in P-R journals. I would however be interested in finding (not negative, or theory) papers who find errors in all founding papers and experiments having some proven excess heat. Lewis striring theory and Hansen recombination are refuted by Wilson in his critic paper. Morrison paper is so incoherent and erroneous that many find hard to critic it. Wilson critic is good, and FP accepted some corrections, but he cannot contradict huge burst of heat observed, above chemistry. Only recent critic, but refuted with mainstream arguments, is Kirk Shanahan CCS theory. So factually Excess heat is proven and published since 1991+, as Heinz Gerischer admitted at the Second Annual Conference about Cold Fusion in Como, Italy. this prediction is non applicable.
[Vo]:Fwd: A paper on German Energy which focus on LENR
I just found that paper cited on a facebook group... http://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/id/eprint/79979 I've made a tiny article on that... http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/news/index.php/News/7-Papre-Energy-in-Germany-A-critical-review-of-current-issues-and-analysis-of-futu/ I don't expect high impact,and the content is a naive survey, but above average Maybe those guys just need the good contacts ...
[Vo]:STAP Co-author propose an updated method - hard to reproduce protocol as FP ?
http://blogs.nature.com/news/2014/09/stap-co-author-offers-yet-another-recipe-for-stem-cells.html?WT.mc_id=TWT_NatureNews the usual story of vexed replicator who insult the discoverer because they cannot imagine they are unlucky, incompetent or ignored some key details...
Re: [Vo]:Rossi on Ni62
it remind me the observation of Iwamura as noticed in the book of Ed Storms, that transmutation seems to be the fusion with an even number of deuteron (2-4-6), with preference to stable isotopes. following the hydroton theory, NiH transmutation should be even number of protons with preference to stable isotope... question on hydroton theory is whether the transmutation is d+X+d -Y or d+d-alpha alpha+X-Y or even for 6d fusion d+d+d+X+d+d+d - Z (a very collective event, maybe more probable because X is heavy compared to 6d) many speculation to check with experiments. another idea of ed storms is that the 2d/4d/6d option is based on 3 dimension of space, that could allow fusion with deuterons/protons pairs from 3 independent hydroton which cross on an impurity heavy element... strange ... the reason the branching ratio is not like free space is probably because the reaction is geometrically constrained... I bet on nd+X+nd with the feeling that it is based on collective behavior, coherence and geometry. Maybe that is naive idea based on my competences, but I feel quantum mechanics more like cavity resonance than like billiard. Geometry is important. 2014-09-10 3:26 GMT+02:00 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com: Piantelli showed that a diproton fuses with Ni62 and produces Cu with a emission of a protons carrying 6 Mev of energy. IMHO, all fusion occurs with a diproton with zero spin. Helium-2 or 2He, also known as a *diproton*, is an extremely unstable isotope of helium that consists of two protons without any neutrons On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 9:14 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: I wonder if the new Cu is Cu-63? Rossi may be implying that Ni-62 goes to Cu-63, both of which are stable isotopes. Spin coupling to get rid of the 6.22Mev of excess mass may be the answer--there are no gammas apparently. Bob - Original Message - From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 5:37 PM Subject: [Vo]:Rossi on Ni62 (Sorry if this was already posted -- my internets have been intermittent ) Andrea Rossi August 28th, 2014 at 6:38 AM Curiosone: We think that our process, the so called “Rossi Effect”, is , as a serendipity, also a system to produce 62Ni, because only this fact can explain the formation of atoms of stable Cu, even if in very small amounts; we also noticed that using eventually powders of Ni enriched this way, the efficiency of the E-Cats increases. But we are not sure of this fact, because there may have been errors in the analysis, so we are studying , as a side effect , this phenomenon. Obviously, I cannot add information regarding this issue, pending the patents relative to it. Warm Regards, A.R.
Re: [Vo]:Humans Need Not Apply
you make good points but further than that I think that the error is to imagine that Job as salaryman is required. in emerging economies you see there is many kind of jobs, and salaryman is just one fragile but comfortable kind of work. exploiting your assets (car, room,land, pavement space,shop, trolley), giving services (using others assets), is another capitalist way... circular economy is part of the future... back to the future... today retired people are just rent capitalist... why not younger people if the robots do the jobs... there is a problem of distribution, not of salary, but of capital... debt is part of the solution, as chapter 11 regulation and personal backruptcy... not one without the other. microcredit when done locally does work well... agrarian reforms dis also spread the concentrated capital on the small farmers... it should be the same for manufacturing industry, energy industry, tourism industry, transport industry... it should be deconcentrated. a system can help to do that. it is slightly less efficient but much more resilient. imagine that all restaurant in newyork be managed by Mc Donald ? would it help the restaurant industry to adapt to trends ? big corps are fragile like dinosaurs. small business are less performaing but survive better. if you admit that someone work more for his own business than for a boss, maybe per worker unit, is it more efficient, while less per hour. future is more capitalist, not less... however whe have to kill the corps. it have to became like the restaurant industry. maybe even like a foud court... I discovered that concept in Indonesia... (is is US?) you have a mall. some one place tables, chairs in a big space. someone is paid for cleaning the table... toilets are cleaned too... there are many tiny kitchen/shps selling only some kind of food, beverage... two for cofee, one for chocolate, 3 for pasta, 5 kind of rice based meal, 2for chicken, 2 for beef, one for sandwiches, one pizza, ... and you buy your own menu from 2-3 shops... an ecosystem for restauration, with some infrastructure shared, service subcontracted to various actors... is that the future of business? 2014-09-09 20:45 GMT+02:00 Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com: I am sure you are right Jed artificial inefficiency (or make-work) is ridiculous. However, we do not need that. There are many things not invented yet. (Even LENR might be funded by a few enthusiast having nothing else to do but what interested them. Even today some people write blog posts without any chance to be paid - must be interest??:) ) The situation was the same when the industrial revolution happened. People said it was better to do real (farm work) than to make automobiles for rich spoiled people. We change and our values change also. Our problem is that we are not prepared to jump to the new era. We are afraid of the change. Not such a new phenomena. America was early in the industrial revolution. GB, which was a more powerful country a hundred years ago decided that its colonies would keep GB in top. Well . . . Nigel, I think your fears are making you try to find an answer to the question; which came first the hen or the egg? In a society where we can offer everybody the basics - trust will evolve. Debatable if it is good or bad but I think we are more alike now then we were a hundred years ago. I do agree that there is period when some people will take the opportunity to abuse the system but that is the cost of progress. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Nigel Dyer l...@thedyers.org.uk wrote: I wonder whether a more workable/realistic alternative is to introduce artificial inefficiencies into society such that more people need to work. See Frederic Bastiat, The Candlemaker's Petition: http://www.econlib.org/library/Bastiat/basSoph3.html#S.1, Ch.7, A Petition See also: A Negative Railroad: http://www.econlib.org/library/Bastiat/basSoph4.html#S.1, Ch.17, A Negative Railroad QUOTE: M. Simiot raises the following question: Should there be a break in the tracks at Bordeaux on the railroad from Paris to Spain? He answers the question in the affirmative and offers a number of reasons, of which I propose to examine only this: 'There should be a break in the railroad from Paris to Bayonne at Bordeaux; for, if goods and passengers are forced to stop at that city, this will be profitable for boatmen, porters, owners of hotels, etc.' Here again we see clearly how the interests of those who perform services are given priority over the interests of the consumers. But if Bordeaux has a right to profit from a break in the
Re: [Vo]:Is there a creativity deficit in science?
the people having done their career, retired or just without career hope, are sometime the only free enough to dissent. the situation, the structure of incentives, is often the most important to create the condition of innovation, success, progress... there is no genetically stupid groups, but some group , some societies, some corporation, some countries, who because of regulation, incentives, culture, education are unable to let the good in their member be expressed. 2014-09-03 20:30 GMT+02:00 Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com: Daniel, I agree with you that the age part is not so essential. It is a little bit true because there is a common believe that Einstein had it right. I think the attitude is of more importance than the age. I am amazed that the report does omit the big change in how the funding society works and have evolved. Government is the primary source today and universities are the route for funding. The private route is through large banks (which have outlived themselves btw). Both are large organizations, which forms decisions on statistics and general policies. Creditscore! Anyone who has tried to get to a Controversial Result in a committee knows that it is impossible. One need to persuade individuals to side with ones opinion and then press this opinion on the group. The reason is that very few people will take the risk of being wrong. In large organizations nobody get rewarded for taking a risk and nobody get punished for doing as the majority. I believe that we will see a reaction to this big scale policy driven society. I further think that now is the time for change. The internet and a fantastic resource for fast and direct communication between people willing to take action would outdo all the established channels like banks and government. This is of course not directly related to LENR. A hundred years ago we found out that having control of the whole chain was essential. Reason are obvious, uneducated labor needed a lot of support, nobody could provide standard products to be utilized in the emerging industries i.e. automotive. We have since learnt to outsource, society has offered education for a large portion of the population, trade unions have shaped the workplace, the 'Edwards Deming' revolution, just in time programs etc. basically are opening the market for a business model more based on individuals than size. I think it is time to take the funding power away from the politician and the totally failed financial market. I know it is a long way and that I probably will not experience the switch but I think its time is here. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 6:49 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I think it is a very pertinent discussion regarding issues of CF inside the larger science community: http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/09/is-there-a-creativity-deficit-in-science/ Although I don't agree with the age argument. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:LENR - dark mater - DDL connection--
the book of Ed Storms beside his theory put the finger on key weirness of LENr evidence. one is that Iwamura experiments shows a fusion of heavy nucleus with an even number of deuterons, precisely one that lead to a stable result... finding an explation for those two weirness is a key. the even number is explained by the hydroton, but the stable nucleus, as far as i understood does not. tritium is a key too... hydrogen fusion results is not known, and Ed propose some successive fusion to deuterium, tritium, helium, and why not more...(it is not clear for me) not far from the ladder of Brillouin. maybe Ni62/64/60/61 specificities in E-cat will lead to some new key facts to sort out the theories... many keys, but many more doors. 2014-08-31 20:51 GMT+02:00 Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com: On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Hydrogen will most likely will preferably assume a metastable state in which a one dimensional crystalline form of Rydberg matter is surrounded by a cloud of many electrons in orbit around a long string like core of many protons. Sounds vaguely like a hydroton. ;) Eric
[Vo]:nasty uninformed joke: Highlights from 25 Years of Cold Fusion Research
someone uninformed making a joke on cold fusion http://physicsbuzz.physicscentral.com/2014/08/highlights-from-25-years-of-cold-fusion.html?showComment=1409401642196#c4573727547886427436 when joking someone, good idea is to get informed first.
Re: [Vo]:Humans Need Not Apply
good remarks for the horses. maybe the salarymen are like horses but we are not only the horses, we are the rider too. don't steal the job of robots. the problem is to find a way to make people have access to the product and services the robots produces. some say basic income... I propose simply a capitalist version of the agrarian reform, when you deconcentrate the capital of big farmers for every people to have a share that it can make a living of... Uber, e-bay, airbnb, blablacar, are the kind of platform to allow small capitalist to be competitive facing big corps... simplification of regulation would support it too. some says that current system basedon salary and big state is a contract between big capitallist who proposed to politicians to give social peace by employing people, in exchange of protection of their economic rent agains competitors and especially agains independent entrepreneurs... this explain both that social protection is based mostly on worker status, and that regulation is increasing, needing bigger and bigger corps to respect them while staying efficient. this system is maybe ending, letting a general system of networked entrepreneurs like what I see in Indonesian kampung (city district, villages...) where all service are paid, nothing is free, but the money circulate much between the poorer and the richer, inside the kampung. cars, moped, parking place, rooms, shop front pavement are capital that are well exploited and subcontracted too... maybe one days people will make their living, getting money for leisure and luxury, by managing 3D printers, cloud creative sofftwares, taxi bots , as people were managing their piece of field, their fishing boat, their BB pension... with a busy day, working for their clients, not for a boss. 2014-08-29 21:51 GMT+02:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Here is a good video about automation and employment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU Some good quotes: after the Model T, people did not say: There will be new jobs for horses we can't imagine! There is not a rule that says, better technology makes more better jobs for horses. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Accuracy of Carbon Dating
it is also unbelievable that educated people repeat the consesus fairy tale against cold fusion, despite huge evidences agains, and no valid refutation to support their cause... anyway they did because they were the consenus, because opposing mean you were the blacksheep of the lab, ... note also that many climate skeptics use bad arguments... we should only consider the serious arguments, like those pushed by judith curry and alike... she even worked for IPCC and realizsed she was hiding data to defend the cause.climategate and wwhat she read as an insider make her understand that what she did was the rule and not a local trick. some say she is a lukewarmer serious skeptics agree on some warming, but question the cause, because it have been warming since much longer tha global warming and pausing few times without credible information. the exgaggeration, the public myth are recognized even by IPCC and orthodox even chlarate fear is extremeliy improbable, as extreme weather is not caused by AGW... model are recoignized as not working, sung is getting recognized, climate sensibility start to be lowered note also that experts are useful and often competent, but they can fall in groupthink as a whole profession. see the alexander gordon de aberdee, semmeweils, then pasteur tragedy... in each time the theory was broke, data were ignored, and the solution came from people out of the domain, but competent wor unexpected reason. clmim 2014-08-25 20:19 GMT+02:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: I wrote: Do you think these are all errors? I wouldn't know. I suspect these examples are either imaginary or fully explicable, and they were gathered by someone who does not understand how instruments work. I say that because it seems extremely unlikely to me that experts have spent decades working with these instruments and yet they make mistakes as obvious as the ones you describe. This resembles the notion that Martin Fleischmann never heard of recombination. Experts simply do not make the kind of idiotic errors you describe here. If you think you have discovered such errors, I am certain you are mistaken and you suffer from hubris. No amateur can page through the literature in a short time -- as you claimed you have done -- to find that many obvious mistakes. I suppose that list came from some misinformed amateur. I have seen many similar lists regarding cold fusion in places like Wikipedia. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers
The scientist don't agree on what to write. some want to write the reality some want to write the reality one reality is the undeniable experimental result, the other is the infallible theory. as said here, it is easy to imagine the testers have seen it work, and anybody who did not see it working is sure it cannot work and imagine improbable conspiracy. don't forget that beside the testers who cannot reasonably disagree (if one was disagreeing he would ask for a new experiment, and others would agree), any foreigner , reviewer, boss, dean of academy, editor, would simply asy IT IS IMPOSSIBLE I REFUSE TO ALLOW THAT BE PUBLISHED. it is old story. if you see cold fusion history as written by Mallove or Beaudette, finally the conviction was absolute it was erroneous, caused by artifacts, yet there is no theory that survived any inspection nor is defended. the stirring problem is no more supported by lewis. the recombination hypothesis, proposed moderately after all critics failed, is no more supported. gary taubes is refuted by experiments done by ed Storms and by all known laws of diffusion, plus by common sense and other replications. the synchronicity theory of taubes is refuted statistically, plus he hide some case where his theory was wrong... taubes is not only wrong but a fraudster as he accuse others, who did cherry picking. Shanahan CCS was refused for publication because nobody dare to support such heresy (if one know well the FP cell with dewar and mirror treatment, CCS explaining burst of 50% are absurd, not even considering flow calorimetry, tritium) there is no need of the least facts to deny reality when you have theory and consensus on your side. it can last forever until industrialists push you out of your seat. because it is a question of seat, not of reality. 2014-08-20 17:28 GMT+02:00 Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com: Sure, you can be optimistic and read it that way; but it seems clear in the context of the statements, that the Polarized opinions is the reason. Reason for what? reason for not giving pre-statements about a timing or content of the report. Why would any polarized outside opinion be the reason for any delay in the timing of the release? or affect the content of the report? It seems clear. The testers can not agree on what to write. This can only mean some think it is positive, some think it is negative. They can't agree like a hang jury. Jojo - Original Message - From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers From: Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:07:08 AM http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/08/20/e-cat-report-watch-thread/ As reported in e-catworld. It seems the TIP2 testers are having a lot of disagreements; hence the delay in the release of the report. This does not bode well for the ECat. I have been one of a few that think too many warning flags have been seen lately regarding the ECat. Chances of it being a Scam has increased. I don't read it that way --- The response I received was that they realize there is a great amount of interest in the report, but that because of polarized opinions surrounding the LENR and E-Cat, it was not advisable to give any pre-statements about the content of timing or the report. The polarized opinions are those in the outside world, not within the team - which wants to get it right. And, quite correctly, say nothing to nobody until the report's out.
Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers
They don't disagree on the experimental result but on the reality. some think that cold fusion is impossible, so experimental result are bad. point. this is the Huizenga Doctrine. the history of cold fusion make it clear that NO EVIDENCE IS ACCEPTABLE! when you have 153 peer reviewed papers, measurement above 50 sigma, thousands time the background for tritium, no existing critica paper that critical review (I don't count Nature and Science review as meaningful, they are true deniers), when the opponents are caught defrauding, cherry picking, doing bad calorimetry and are not vilified, there is no science... to be clear waiting for such people to admit reality is like waiting for the pope to admit Jesus did not resurrect. they will NEVER NEVER NEVER admit reality. forget what people told about scientists, it is fairy tales for students. It is a very human job, that is conducted by stubborn people who desperately believe in their ideas... some have the capacity to admit errors because they are stubborn on others details, like on experimental protocol... Kuhn explains well the power of sticking to a paradigm as the way to explore it up to the limits. I don't think the comment reported by Franck is about peer reviewers opposing the paper. I think that people arround the papers, who did not read it thoroughly with a participant beside their shoulder, with some checking done by themselves (probably they re tested), are simply concluding that the test is bad because it is positive, following the Huizenga Doctrine. the Taubes Doctrine is that anything proving LENR that is not covered by Huizenga Doctrine (cannot be an error), is a fraud, and that thus no evidence is required, and defrauding the evidence is just science vulgarization. anyway who cares, businessmen are ready 2014-08-20 21:22 GMT+02:00 a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net: Alain, It doesn't sound like good news to me. I don't see how they can disagree much about the experimental results. I didn't think they were supposed to pontificate about how it (LENR) worked. If they do, of course there will be disagreement. The story was they were provided with three samples and only used one for the whole test. If it didn't work, or even didn't work well, one would think they would try another of the samples. I also can't figure Rossi keeping on about how he doesn't know if the results will be negative. Surely, if anyone knows, he must.
Re: [Vo]:Boeing- LENR Patent Application Jet Aircraft Engine
This is experimental research, to explore where no man have been before note that Ed Storms in his books reports that some thin film of platinum deposited during electrolysis from the anode seems to activate other metal... moreover maybe impurities are the active lattice... or it is just intriguing artifact 2014-08-17 0:51 GMT+02:00 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net: This experiment is abysmal. What a waste of time and effort by highly skilled guys who were inquisitive enough to try something. A few hours consultation with an LENR expert and they could have possibly seen something interesting on merely the switch to better electrodes. Why platinum instead of Pd? Why Al ? Makes no sense. Why not use a few hundred meters of .1 mm nickel wire as did Mizuno? Did they really think Pt would be effective? Based on what? It is infuriating to see what could have been a decent effort go to waste. *From:* alain.coetm...@gmail.com [mailto:alain.coetm...@gmail.com] *On Behalf Of *Alain Sepeda *Sent:* Saturday, August 16, 2014 3:30 PM *To:* Vortex List *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Boeing- LENR Patent Application Jet Aircraft Engine just booeing trying to avoid a troll patent his plane electric fan used with LENR... more surprising is this finding in Germany http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/555-Researchers-from-German-University-and-Aerospace-Agency-investigate-LENR-with-Co/?postID=1057#post1057 a modest test by 2 researchers from a university and... german aerospace agency http://elib.dlr.de/89820/1/LENR_Report_paper.v3.pdf that one is for jed, at least as a citation just a test baloon it seems, to ask funding 2014-08-16 22:35 GMT+02:00 Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com: Greetings Vortex-L, Courtesy of Alain Cortmeurs website: http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/news/index.php/News/2-Boeing-patent-electric-propulsion-system-fan-for-planes-considering-LENR-powerin/ The Boeing patent application was published May 2014..not sure if this was covered at Vortex Ad Astra, Ron Kita, Chiralex
Re: [Vo]:a new guest editorial by AXIL
yes it is a complex story, and often the deviant sect in a religious groups are treated much worse than the other distinct religion. Siha groups are very badly treated, and in fact the rebellion was fueled by ethnic revenge of Siha on Suni. when Saudi send money to fund ISIS in syria (with US weaponry afterward) they were protecting their centralized vision of Wahabi Suni version from Syrian , Iraqi and Iranian Siha. Siha leader in iraq took revenge on Suni in a so hateful way that at the beginning ISIS was welcomed, even by some christian... but things get awful quickly. Today the Sunni groups finally are upset by those monsters, who no more muslim than Waffen SS were christian. in indonesia, a country who get Muslim by trade, and convinced because it was stopping internal kingdom wars, they managed to organise a Muslim compatible tolerance by declaring that Budhi and Hindu were monotheist too... of course animist have to find a religion for their ID card and they mostly choose Katolik because of the Church behavior with minorities. Taoist choose Budhi because of Chinese community proximity... today Saudi money is causing Havoc in indonesia religious peace... there start to be Kristian (protestant) party which is absurd given indonesian system... hopefully the local culture of kingdom intrigues, the natural farmer tolerance, dampen the shick. the problems is that like in many emerging countries or immigrant communities, the poor follow the money of the Saudi and their preach of hate, and the new middle-rich class try to get respectability by showing stron religious position facing old bourgeoisie. this is a general battle. There is an islam war between the Saudi who claim they own the Islam and want to enforce a strict interpretation, and the more intellectual Siha led by a structured nation, Iran, who want to take the intellectual lead toward modernization. now put USA in the middle of that complex story, tons of weapon spread at every problems, trillion of petrodollars, and Jerusalem myth... 2014-08-17 16:25 GMT+02:00 de Bivort Lawrence ldebiv...@gmail.com: The Yazidis are not Christians. They are a pre-Muslim group with interesting if murky ties to Zoroastrian and other early religions. As a result of unfortunate translational ambiguity and deliberate misrepresentation they have been wrongly accused, in my opinion, with devil-worship. In Islam, Christians, Jews, and Muslims are considered People of the Book, and believers in the same god. In a Muslim country, Christians and Jews are not only entitled to maintain this faith and community, they receive special political protections from the Muslim majority/government. Lawrence On Aug 17, 2014, at 3:00 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: No, it is elementary respect for the religion of others. I was sure you will use this Web source and not your own ideas to answer In extreme cases, not respecting the 11th Commandment leads to what ISIS is doing to Christians these days. Be convinced that the original idea of keeping your religion for yourself does not belong to Carlin. Let's close this now and here. Peter On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: First, who is Carlin? Why would I listen to the advice or opinion of a spoiled, liberal, elitist comedian wanna-be? Second, I did not start the religious discussion. Others did and I am only responding like I am responding to your allegations here. Third, Those who invoke the Carlin 11th commandment is automatically guilty of it themselves, and hence betrays a deep level of hypocrisy. When one utters Keep thy religion to thyself. one is uttering a religious precept. Cause that statement is in itself a religious statement. This is what one blogger said: the concept of NOT having a religious viewpoint is a false philosophic construct. Everyone has a belief in or about God, even if that belief consists of the view that there is no God. Atheism still constitutes a religious perspective. The anti-proselyte mantra is itself a form of proselytizing, religion antagonists' ignorance of the fact notwithstanding. For someone to say *keep your religion to yourself*demonstrates the person uttering the phrase* doesn't practice what he or she preaches*, as they are doing precisely what they’re admonishing the *“religious”* person *NOT* to do. So, in fact Peter; Your lack of respect for the 11th commandment is annoying. Jojo - Original Message - *From:* Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com *To:* VORTEX vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Sunday, August 17, 2014 3:56 PM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:a new guest editorial by AXIL I was not insulted at all. Everybody is ignorant in some areas and fast thinking comes only with exercise. I discover new words on a daily basis e.g at wordsmith.org and in other sources; if I don't understand it I ask Google:define . I knew SWOT from industrial practice; may
Re: [Vo]:Boeing- LENR Patent Application Jet Aircraft Engine
just booeing trying to avoid a troll patent his plane electric fan used with LENR... more surprising is this finding in Germany http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/555-Researchers-from-German-University-and-Aerospace-Agency-investigate-LENR-with-Co/?postID=1057#post1057 a modest test by 2 researchers from a university and... german aerospace agency http://elib.dlr.de/89820/1/LENR_Report_paper.v3.pdf that one is for jed, at least as a citation just a test baloon it seems, to ask funding 2014-08-16 22:35 GMT+02:00 Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com: Greetings Vortex-L, Courtesy of Alain Cortmeurs website: http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/news/index.php/News/2-Boeing-patent-electric-propulsion-system-fan-for-planes-considering-LENR-powerin/ The Boeing patent application was published May 2014..not sure if this was covered at Vortex Ad Astra, Ron Kita, Chiralex
Re: [Vo]:Boeing- LENR Patent Application Jet Aircraft Engine
they seems to add a sound attenuation by smart positioning of multiple rows of blades; with good shape 2014-08-17 0:33 GMT+02:00 Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. hoyt-stea...@cox.net: Thanks for the link. This seems like a silly patent, putting a fan in a tube has a century of prior art -- Am I missing something? *From:* Ron Kita [mailto:chiralex.k...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Saturday, August 16, 2014 1:36 PM *To:* vortex-l *Subject:* [Vo]:Boeing- LENR Patent Application Jet Aircraft Engine Greetings Vortex-L, Courtesy of Alain Cortmeurs website: http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/news/index.php/News/2-Boeing-patent-electric-propulsion-system-fan-for-planes-considering-LENR-powerin/ The Boeing patent application was published May 2014..not sure if this was covered at Vortex Ad Astra, Ron Kita, Chiralex -- http://www.avast.com/ This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ protection is active.
Re: [Vo]:Andy the Grump is now in BLP's crosshairs
I don't think that Blacklight is the best victim of those wikithruthers, anyway since 2004-2005 I have observed that wikipedia, toward consensus or toward some popular ideology lobby, is controlled by unilateral group of opinion. I hope that when cold fusion fiasco will be unavoidable some people will organize campaign to show those wikifiasco 2014-08-15 4:01 GMT+02:00 Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com: Good for them. Someone needs to teach these wikinazis a thing or two about objectivity. Is there still any doubt that wikipedia is a sham pretending to be a source of authoritative information? Jojo - Original Message - *From:* Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Friday, August 15, 2014 9:46 AM *Subject:* [Vo]:Andy the Grump is now in BLP's crosshairs From BLP's What's New link: http://www.blacklightpower.com/whats-new/ *8/13/14* *Blacklight vigorously disputes the allegations of fraud by certain anonymous Wikipedia editors, and has announced intentions to proceed legally against individuals and entities that assert these false allegations. To this end, it has recently filed a defamation action in New Jersey, see: NJ Civil Case Information Statement* *The BlackLight Power Inc. Wikipedia page was amended with the notification of the filing of the defamation suit that was promptly removed in conflict with the rules Wikipedia claims that it adheres to. The Wikipedia page prior to being censored by an anonymous Wikipedia editor can be found at this link: Wikipedia PDF* NJ Civil Case Information Statement: http://www.williamslopatto.com/uploads/2/5/8/4/25843913/blacklight_power_inc._complaint.pdf Apparently it didn't take long for the Wikipedia editors to remove the following paragraph at the end of the Commentaries section *In 2014 after a series of public demonstration events, Blacklight disputed the prior allegations of fraud and has announced intentions to proceed legally against individuals and entities that assert these false allegations. To this end, BlackLight filed a defamation action in New Jersey.* Here's a link to the original post that BLP attempted to place out on Wikipedia BLP topic: http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/2014_Wikipedia_Defamation_Suit_08132014.pdf ... Shoot! I'm all out of peanuts. Save my seat please... Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:Fwd: LENR-Cities SA was established today in Neuchatel, Switzerland.
just to say that things about LENR-Cities get more and more precise (and even more if you have insider data). http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/546-LENR-Cities-SA-was-established-today-in-Neuchatel-Switzerland/?postID=1035#post1035 Today, on Linked-in, Michel Vandenberghe announced the creation of his company https://www.linkedin.com/groups/After-working-2-years-half-4132340.S.5897767421581750273, dedicated to supporting an LENR Ecosystem. LENR-Cities SA was established today in Neuchatel, Switzerland. ...
Re: [Vo]:Academic bullying in Japan leads to suicide
as my dear lobbyist said, working in academic research prepared hear for politician backstab... if it finally works, i would call for prison, one more. the entrepreneur forgive, not the citizen 2014-08-06 22:30 GMT+02:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: That's my take. The mainstream press calls it fraud without a scrap of evidence as far as I know. See: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/06/business/Yoshiki-Sasai-an-author-of-discredited-stem-cell-study-is-found-dead.html Why do Scientists Commit Fraud http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2014/08/fraud_in_stem_cell_research_japanese_biologist_yoshiki_sasai_commits_suicide.html Here is what I wrote in the comment section: The accusations against Obokata are outrageous. Yes, there is some evidence she was sloppy, but there is absolute NO evidence she made a mistake or committed fraud. Her co-authors still support her. Sasaki left a message to her saying I hope you can replicate. He still believed the results. I saw the NHK talk show experts attacking Obokata. They were ruthless. NHK's own tone was simply outrageous. They made everything look suspicious. They assumed fraud had been committed. They did the same thing in many previous academic scandals which were not a bit scandalous. These academic bullies have blood on their hands. If Obokata turns out to be right after all it will be all the more outrageous. I have edited and translated from Japanese hundreds of scientific papers. I have seen much sloppier ones. . . . Here is an example of NHK's previous shenanigans. Some researchers I know invited the NHK reporter to a funding meeting during a conference, at a restaurant. The reporter said he was busy. He and a film crew then secreted themselves near the meeting and took shaky, hand-held camera long distance shots of the professors and industry people going into the meeting. They broadcast this with the voice over claiming here are researchers meeting with industry experts, preparing to shake down the government for funding. They made it look like a scandal. That was for cold fusion, which NHK, Nature and others despise. They are forever trying to make it look like a scandal, when all it is nothing more than peer-reviewed, mainstream conventional science published in boring journal papers. Hundreds and hundreds of boring papers. Believe me, I have read 3,000 of them and they are boring. Not scandalous. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Big story ... little thrust from Doylestown
the experiment was dow at lower power compared to Shawyer EmDrive 20W for cannae Drive at NASA, 300-1200W with EmDrive in China. the performance of EmDrive is about 200-1000mN/kW and Cannae drive (and the null variant) 1.5-5mN/kW... my best bet is that Cannae Drive is an Emdrive born from 0.5% anomalies on cannae drive shape. just a bet. now the question is what will Shawyer and yang Juan will show at IAC14 2014-08-05 17:43 GMT+02:00 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net: Interesting side note from http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=20140006052 Which is the anomalous RF thrust device, aka Emdrive. NASA was not attracted (so to speak) to the EmDrive for many years, since it violates the law of the conservation of momentum and a few other problems. NASA has some pretty good ideas why it shouldn't work, but when China is about to upstage you, NASA can change course with the best of them. Same will be true with LENR. As discussed here and elsewhere, approximately 50 micro-Newtons of thrust was recorded from the microwave oven, oops make that the electric propulsion test device - consisting of a radio RF resonant cavity excited at approximately 935 megahertz. Not sure why they chose that frequency, but anyway... This is about at tenth of a mosquito power, in thrust, or 0.1 mq ... :-) ...but nevertheless, the result is drawing huge attention, since in space reactionless thrust is cumulative thrust and in the vacuum of space, with LENR power of course, this kind of cumulative thrust could take sputnik to a large fraction of light speed in a few billion years maybe. The side note to this story is that some of the apparatus was built in Doylestown PA. Ron Kita, who occasionally post here- has a company named Chiralex, which is located in Doylestown, and which is engaged in gravitational shielding research which is not the same but close. Is that merely a coincidence? Hope Ron is tuned-in and will give us the inside scoop... if he can, but he is probably under NDA
Re: [Vo]:Meta-analysis of the cause of failure of Cold Fusion experiments?
yes that is it, even if the more recent of McKubre is more synthetic... 2014-08-03 4:14 GMT+02:00 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com: Also Cravens and Letts 2008 : The Enabling Criteria Of Electrochemical Heat: Beyond Reasonable Doubt http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/CravensDtheenablin.pdf
Re: [Vo]:Meta-analysis of the cause of failure of Cold Fusion experiments?
2014-08-03 7:28 GMT+02:00 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com: species my question are mostly for argumentation (I'm preparing a kit for skeptics... hopeless I know). I just need phenomenological result with reference to data, involving failed experiments. really some damaged brain don't understand that physics is not a medical study, that the cause of failure can be for unknown parameters and bad setup. If I was not informed of transistor history by my education i would sure condider that as a poor MSc I missed something that PhD only can understand... anyway finance groupthink bibble and corp functional stupidity learned me that the highest education is prone to groupthink, structurally, not individually. the ability of some to stay locked is fascinating... as much as my ability to continue argumenting with walls... in a way it is funny like cat playing with a mouse. goodtraining for the real fight.
Re: [Vo]:Wired: Nasa validates 'impossible' space drive
few bad point for the test are : 1- the thrust is much weaker than EmDrive 2- the blank reactor works too. the 1 is probably linked to the bad Q compares to EmDrive the 2 maybe is simply that Fetta does not understand well his reactor, and that it worsk for another reason than the one he imagine. one hypothesis is that Shawyer is right (at least phenomenologically) and Fetta have build involuntarily 2 EmDrive point 2 rule out the fraud as a fraudster would have make the blank fail. the characteristic of rauds is that it work as expected. that Emdrive and Canae Drive work in 4 test setups make clear that it is not a measurement artifact. it is something unexpected linked to microwave, resonance... whether it is real thrust or artifact is a question, but it is a microwave resonance artifact if artifact. 2014-07-31 20:22 GMT+02:00 Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com: See: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-07/31/nasa-validates-impossible-space-drive Eric
Re: [Vo]:Wired: Nasa validates 'impossible' space drive
as the comment says, it rather says that the theory of fetta is wrong... that fetta cannot design a reactor that don't work by changing what he consider a key detail. it is a theory failure, not a practical failure. the resonance is important, and this enough let me consider something is real, at worst an artifact that is linked to microwave resonance and not mechanical setup, that was tested for artifacts. 2014-08-02 16:32 GMT+02:00 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net: From: John Berry More on the null test... http://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/2c8xah/nasa_validates_impossible _space_drive_wired_uk/cjdg3bh They say the null test was designed to be null, and yet it still showed thrust. This could mean that the test which was designed to show thrust and did show thrust cannot be trusted. There are other implications as well.
Re: [Vo]:Wired: Nasa validates 'impossible' space drive
part of the current tragedy of science is all kind of mainstream media http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusion.pdf#page=4 first of all scientific journalists, then science tabloid (science, nature, Cells), then influential mainstream media (NYT)... don't look further, consensus is manufactured. see recent affairs... WMD is just de detail if you compare to current manufacture of consensus. cold fusion fiasco is an example of something I see recently and that CIA have well theorized, if you lie at the beginning of an affair, it became the consensus. for a mainstream story like a crash you have to lie for 24h and media follow... for science 2month is enough. then no evidence can change the truth of the journalists. NO EVIDENCE CAN! except the one that reach the heart of each citizen independently, and based on his selfish interest or concrete observation. the tea kettle fallacy is the only truth. 2014-08-02 17:23 GMT+02:00 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com: What a surprise : Jennifer Ouellette comes out against it Physics Week in Review: August 2, 2014 http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cocktail-party-physics/2014/08/02/physics-week-in-review-august-2-2014/ Perhaps your interest was piqued by the news that a Fuel-Less Space Drive with “Q-Thrusters” http://www.popsci.com/article/technology/fuel-less-space-drive-may-actually-work-says-nasa May Actually Work, meaning that it might one day be possible to travel through space without filling up the gas tank, so to speak. Per Wired http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-07/31/nasa-validates-impossible-space-drive: “Either the results are completely wrong, or NASA has confirmed a major breakthrough in space propulsion.” The Time Lord’s money is on the latter. Via Twitter, he declared that the notion of “Propulsive momentum transfer via the quantum vacuum virtual plasma” is nonsensical sub-*Star-Trek* level technobabble http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=20140006052. (You may as well put your faith in “Red Matter.”) But I think she has a typo ... The Time Lord’s money is on the latter. -- where latter is breakthrough.
[Vo]:Meta-analysis of the cause of failure of Cold Fusion experiments?
Hi, I remember that there was in the early time an analysis of the reason why the experiments of LENr have failed, identifying if the minimum requirements on loading, current density were met .. I could not find it (I forgot the name, and dunno if the author is Ed Storms, Miles or McKubre?) does anyone remember ?
Re: [Vo]:Meta-analysis of the cause of failure of Cold Fusion experiments?
2014-08-03 0:48 GMT+02:00 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com: *What Conditions Are Required To Initiate The Lenr Effect?* this article is nice but positive. I had in mind a detailed list of failed experiment with estimated reason of the failure... my mind is not clear...
Re: [Vo]:Italian minor, sucess in cold fusion... any more info
basically it is plasma in electrolytic cell, with H2O split by electrolysis, then H2 split by high current creating a plasma, and recombinating befause of high temperature. the question is whether the LENR reaction add some energy to the electric energy provided... it seems easy to make, but the electrodes are destroyed quickly and calorimetry is very hard, and have to be conclusive before the electrodes are destroyed. 2014-07-30 23:40 GMT+02:00 Ken Deboer barlaz...@gmail.com: excuse my ignorance, but isn't this just hydrogen burning in oxygen, and just like the h-cat? ken On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: what is the evidence of cold fusion. I don't see any calorimetry. it seems to be Mizuno electrolysis, buthow do they prove LENR ? gamma (few)? neutrons (normally fewer)? tritium detection ? 2014-07-30 22:12 GMT+02:00 Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com: This is the youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7WjzYflPYI On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: http://iltirreno.gelocal.it/pistoia/cronaca/2014/02/02/news/a-13-anni-riproducono-la-fusione-a-freddo-1.8591445 it seems to be a Mizuno, but very few details... does anyone have better data? --- At 13 reproduce the cold fusion The experiment of three boys in the garage of the home of one of them: No minor he had succeeded Pistoia also has its own via Panisperna boys.Matthew and Ivan are Matteini Perrella, with the collaboration of Julia Ricciardi. Compared to Fermi, Amaldi, Majorana and other eminent physicists, very young, in the thirties of the last century realized in the laboratory, the first nuclear reactor, physicists Pistoia are still young, very young indeed.They have 13 years old and attending the 3rd Q of the school Marconi Via Puccini. Early last month have carried out an experiment in the garage at home, they say confidently documented, the only juvenile in the world to have succeeded.This is the cold fusion. The cold nuclear fusion, advocated for decades by scientists not only because it would allow to produce nuclear energy without producing temibilissime slag, is a generic name given to the alleged nature of nuclear reactions, which would occur at pressures and temperatures much lower than those needed for obtain nuclear fusion hot, for which are instead necessary temperatures of the order of one million kelvin and plasma density very high. Many scientists are skeptical: to date, the very existence of these phenomena has not been demonstrated conclusively, on the contrary to the prevailing opinion in the scientific community is that all the evidence proposed to be due to measurement errors or non-nuclear phenomena. The fact is that the boys have done the experiment Pistoia, reproducing, as they called the same guys they shot a video on Youtube, a star in a jar.Thanks to my father, an engineer in 'electronic company - says Matthew, who loves physics and experiments since piccolossimo, while Ivan is the computer of the group - and Julius Nesti who supported us in logistics, we could set up the garage at home mine with all the necessary equipment: voltmeter, ammeter, herzometro and what you need to succeed. A basic table for discharge to the ground, otherwise it ran the risk of being electrocuted terrible, or burned by temperatures in the range of 3-4000 degrees or, again, it exploded all over. The experiment, which took place on January 3, eventually succeeded after twenty black smoke. The whole thing lasted about half an hour, no more and left us amazed, as well as very satisfied. The first practical and tangible result of the fusion describe the boys: We have produced a soapy liquid that does not produce any toxin and we washed their hands. An effect of the experiment, tell Matthew and others, was to be put out of televisions and mobile phones due to the strong electromagnetic field. At school, classmates and teachers are proud of their young scientists, but would point out the teacher of astronomy, they did it all by yourself. Francis Albonetti
Re: [Vo]:Quora : anti Leviall circus on e-cat test
yes (my quick answer was dond on my address, not on the vortex reflecto), it is an old news... just some recent void answer ... what is fascinating is the double standard in pinpointing details, beside not understanding the problem of magnitude. it is typical pseudo-science, conspiracy theory, denialism, as some skeptic groups love to name it. They sometime have good arguments, except that they forget to apply to themselves. 2014-07-28 0:00 GMT+02:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Years ago I would have responded by pointing out that they confirmed the IR camera with a thermocouple; that the circuit cannot supply enough electricity to make the cell incandescent; and so on. Now I no longer have the gumption. Not many people will read this sort of thing anyway. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Wired: Nasa validates 'impossible' space drive
this is the 3rd test, done with different metrology, and with many cross checking documented on EmDrive (like changing turn...) as Ed Storms says in his books, when a phenomenon survive to the change of the measurement setup(shawyer, chinese, nasa), and is similar in different setup(emdirve, qdrive) that share a common thing (resonance, asymmetry, microwave), there is a great chance something real linked to the core technology is happening... and not independent artifacts that conspires independently to fool scientists. however the ideas of shawyer about the theory have no strong reason to be good, so his computation on how to improve it... he have good hint, no more... about the theory the idea that the EmDrive is surfing, rowing, sculling on the virtual particles of the void is the most reasonable I've heard. I don't need no violation of any conservation law... just less unchecked assumption (as for LENR). 2014-07-31 23:45 GMT+02:00 David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com: I have a hangup about the conservation of momentum that makes me skeptical of this device. My guess is that the thrust will be shown to be an error once everything is taken into account. The power to generate the large amount of RF must enter the device from somewhere and that is likely the root of the thrust. Dave -Original Message- From: leaking pen itsat...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Jul 31, 2014 4:16 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Wired: Nasa validates 'impossible' space drive Okay, so can we get them to test the emDrive now? On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: See: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-07/31/nasa-validates-impossible-space-drive Eric
[Vo]:Italian minor, sucess in cold fusion... any more info
http://iltirreno.gelocal.it/pistoia/cronaca/2014/02/02/news/a-13-anni-riproducono-la-fusione-a-freddo-1.8591445 it seems to be a Mizuno, but very few details... does anyone have better data? --- At 13 reproduce the cold fusion The experiment of three boys in the garage of the home of one of them: No minor he had succeeded Pistoia also has its own via Panisperna boys.Matthew and Ivan are Matteini Perrella, with the collaboration of Julia Ricciardi. Compared to Fermi, Amaldi, Majorana and other eminent physicists, very young, in the thirties of the last century realized in the laboratory, the first nuclear reactor, physicists Pistoia are still young, very young indeed.They have 13 years old and attending the 3rd Q of the school Marconi Via Puccini. Early last month have carried out an experiment in the garage at home, they say confidently documented, the only juvenile in the world to have succeeded.This is the cold fusion. The cold nuclear fusion, advocated for decades by scientists not only because it would allow to produce nuclear energy without producing temibilissime slag, is a generic name given to the alleged nature of nuclear reactions, which would occur at pressures and temperatures much lower than those needed for obtain nuclear fusion hot, for which are instead necessary temperatures of the order of one million kelvin and plasma density very high. Many scientists are skeptical: to date, the very existence of these phenomena has not been demonstrated conclusively, on the contrary to the prevailing opinion in the scientific community is that all the evidence proposed to be due to measurement errors or non-nuclear phenomena. The fact is that the boys have done the experiment Pistoia, reproducing, as they called the same guys they shot a video on Youtube, a star in a jar.Thanks to my father, an engineer in 'electronic company - says Matthew, who loves physics and experiments since piccolossimo, while Ivan is the computer of the group - and Julius Nesti who supported us in logistics, we could set up the garage at home mine with all the necessary equipment: voltmeter, ammeter, herzometro and what you need to succeed. A basic table for discharge to the ground, otherwise it ran the risk of being electrocuted terrible, or burned by temperatures in the range of 3-4000 degrees or, again, it exploded all over. The experiment, which took place on January 3, eventually succeeded after twenty black smoke. The whole thing lasted about half an hour, no more and left us amazed, as well as very satisfied. The first practical and tangible result of the fusion describe the boys: We have produced a soapy liquid that does not produce any toxin and we washed their hands. An effect of the experiment, tell Matthew and others, was to be put out of televisions and mobile phones due to the strong electromagnetic field. At school, classmates and teachers are proud of their young scientists, but would point out the teacher of astronomy, they did it all by yourself. Francis Albonetti
Re: [Vo]:Italian minor, sucess in cold fusion... any more info
what is the evidence of cold fusion. I don't see any calorimetry. it seems to be Mizuno electrolysis, buthow do they prove LENR ? gamma (few)? neutrons (normally fewer)? tritium detection ? 2014-07-30 22:12 GMT+02:00 Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com: This is the youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7WjzYflPYI On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: http://iltirreno.gelocal.it/pistoia/cronaca/2014/02/02/news/a-13-anni-riproducono-la-fusione-a-freddo-1.8591445 it seems to be a Mizuno, but very few details... does anyone have better data? --- At 13 reproduce the cold fusion The experiment of three boys in the garage of the home of one of them: No minor he had succeeded Pistoia also has its own via Panisperna boys.Matthew and Ivan are Matteini Perrella, with the collaboration of Julia Ricciardi. Compared to Fermi, Amaldi, Majorana and other eminent physicists, very young, in the thirties of the last century realized in the laboratory, the first nuclear reactor, physicists Pistoia are still young, very young indeed.They have 13 years old and attending the 3rd Q of the school Marconi Via Puccini. Early last month have carried out an experiment in the garage at home, they say confidently documented, the only juvenile in the world to have succeeded.This is the cold fusion. The cold nuclear fusion, advocated for decades by scientists not only because it would allow to produce nuclear energy without producing temibilissime slag, is a generic name given to the alleged nature of nuclear reactions, which would occur at pressures and temperatures much lower than those needed for obtain nuclear fusion hot, for which are instead necessary temperatures of the order of one million kelvin and plasma density very high. Many scientists are skeptical: to date, the very existence of these phenomena has not been demonstrated conclusively, on the contrary to the prevailing opinion in the scientific community is that all the evidence proposed to be due to measurement errors or non-nuclear phenomena. The fact is that the boys have done the experiment Pistoia, reproducing, as they called the same guys they shot a video on Youtube, a star in a jar.Thanks to my father, an engineer in 'electronic company - says Matthew, who loves physics and experiments since piccolossimo, while Ivan is the computer of the group - and Julius Nesti who supported us in logistics, we could set up the garage at home mine with all the necessary equipment: voltmeter, ammeter, herzometro and what you need to succeed. A basic table for discharge to the ground, otherwise it ran the risk of being electrocuted terrible, or burned by temperatures in the range of 3-4000 degrees or, again, it exploded all over. The experiment, which took place on January 3, eventually succeeded after twenty black smoke. The whole thing lasted about half an hour, no more and left us amazed, as well as very satisfied. The first practical and tangible result of the fusion describe the boys: We have produced a soapy liquid that does not produce any toxin and we washed their hands. An effect of the experiment, tell Matthew and others, was to be put out of televisions and mobile phones due to the strong electromagnetic field. At school, classmates and teachers are proud of their young scientists, but would point out the teacher of astronomy, they did it all by yourself. Francis Albonetti
[Vo]:Quora : anti Leviall circus on e-cat test
http://www.quora.com/Physics/What-if-anything-is-wrong-or-incorrect-about-the-recent-2013-news-about-Andrea-Rossis-energy-catalyzer-device-that-has-undergone-limited-peer-review when they see the tree that hide the forrest
Re: [Vo]:New old files from Mizuno
just a note, JP Biberian say in his book La fusion dans tout ses états that he investigated around protons conductors... Thi seems to a a research direction. Not much heard here (a little anyway). maybe this can give ideas to creative people for related articles. 2014-07-22 20:33 GMT+02:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Mizuno send me some old papers. I reformatted them and uploaded them. They are old, but new to LENR-CANR.org. See: http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?page_id=1097 This one is about proton conductors: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MizunoTanomalousha.pdf I also recently uploaded the papers from Reifenschweiler, with kind permission from the Philips Corp. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Ed Storms Explains LENR -- New Interview
as far as I understand for naive people, the thermodynamic law assume all particles are acting randomly like in a liquid, or a hot latice... however if there is an insulated environment where particles can act in a coherent way, then they each coherent/intricated group considered as one particle in the statistical meaning... imagine 1000 people dancing squaredance precisely inside a hardrock concert at top POGO energy ? the square won't last long. Now imagine them packed inside a quiet hall with few doors only. the idea of a 1D quantum object is interesting, as each hydroton is like a big atom (quantum object made of smaller coupled parts) with many particles orbiting (not in circle, but having coupled trajectory)... probably there is alternative possibilities having similar properties : localized quantum object made of many nucleus and electrons... 1D,2D,0D,1.xD, 2.xD ? WL is not far but I imagine that what makes Ed reject the idea is that the coherent patch of proton and electrons are at the surface, with huge interference of the chemical random system which de-intricate any quantum object... the NAE for Ed must be something like a Schrodinger cat (like the recently Schrodinger kitten observed in very isolated cavities)... insulated from random bombardment, just excited at limited energy level. 2014-07-21 9:41 GMT+02:00 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com: *But thermodynamics says energy cannot spontaneously accumulate in one location. Yes, unusual quantum mechanical effects happen. Odd things can occur once in a while. But, given the number of required reactions to make the observed heat, it would be a violation of the laws of thermodynamics to have so many out-of-the-norm events.* Yes, the heart of the LENR reaction involves energy concentration in violation of thermodynamics: but that is OK because the process is a quantum mechanical one. Surface plasmin polaritons can accumulate in and around the crack to a huge level because they are bosons. Cracks produce SPP solitons. SPP energy storehouse supplies the energy to produce the group fusion of a cluster of hydrogen atoms. To start the study of nanoplasmonics read this intro Stockman_Phys_Today_2011_Physics_behind_Applications http://www.phy-astr.gsu.edu/stockman/data/Stockman_Phys_Today_2011_Physics_behind_Applications.pdf On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 3:15 AM, Ruby r...@hush.com wrote: On 7/20/14, 8:22 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.com wrote: *Earlier he had chastised theorists for throwing out the laws of thermodynamics, and here he does essentially the same thing.* If the reaction takes place in the lattice, we're definitely violating the laws of thermodynamics. ***HOW? HOW?? HOW??? Demonstrate it!!! Why is this such a big friggin deal to you and Ed Storms and why hasn't he LOUDLY proclaimed it, especially when he he was here on Vortex? If it's such a BIG friggin deal, why didn't he make a BIG FRIGGIN DEAL about it here on Vortex? Hi Kevin, I haven't listened to the interview yet, but I've spent some time talking with Storms about this. He applies a physics 101 application of thermodynamics to system of particles in a closed environment. For LENR, the lattice plays the closed environment. Question: How do nuclear particles converge together in a lattice vacancy and fuse? (How does deuterium turn into helium?) Question: How does an electron gain enough energy to combine with proton? (782 keV to make neutron) Where does the energy come from to do this? How does this energy coalesce in one location at once, without affecting the chemical bonds that make up the lattice? How does it accumulate over time (it it does)? Gaining energy in a localized region means it must have been lost somewhere else from the surrounding area. But thermodynamics says energy cannot spontaneously accumulate in one location. Yes, unusual quantum mechanical effects happen. Odd things can occur once in a while. But, given the number of required reactions to make the observed heat, it would be a violation of the laws of thermodynamics to have so many out-of-the-norm events. That's how I understand what he is saying. In a nano-environment, separate from the chemical lattice itself but still a part of it in another sense, we can see new high energy events manifest before altering the NAE before high rates of nuclear reactions can be achieved. ***What a bunch of bowlsheet. The nano-crack is a separate space from the lattice. It is a broken part of the lattice. As a separate space, it has an environment different from the lattice. In this environment, nuclei and electrons can be trapped in an unusual way (the hydroton) in a nanocrack that can't happen in a vacancy. The hydroton can resonate in a way it wouldn't in the lattice. These are two examples of how the crack allows behavior that a vacancy won't When Storms'
Re: [Vo]:Documentary about ecological damages done by Rossi in Italy. (subs. in Jap)
taking the joke seriously I link you to the links I gathered http://www.lenr-forum.com/old-forum/showthread.php?2384-History-of-Rossi-E-cat one big piece is the syntheis of daniele passerini. there is also many articles in il coriere della sierra. note that before the scandal Rossi was a star in La Stampa. about ecological damage I only see 2 facts : - tons of fluid stored - one sabotage done by ... mysterious people... only rational hypothesis is , neither green, nor rossi, nor locals, but vested interest who will be paid to clean... there is big articles on the growing cost of the cleaning... note that the accusation of false billing against rossi finally was judged false, and the billing was real. how justice can accuse someone of false billing while it is real ? not checking ? my main question is whether rossi's process was very polluting (dioxin) and thus practically useless... and thus if rossi was trying to correct that with few chances. or just slightly producing dioxin and only raising exaggerated concern, but useless in current world... anyway it seems from todays equivalent that you cannot make those biofuel with random waste. you have to select some without chloride (tyres like cassandra oil), or mechanically there will be dioxin. data are too much corrupted on rossi's story to have a clear ideas. just compare wikipravda/krivit version with il coriere della serra, or the judiciary version gathered by passerini. clearly facts are ignored by mainstream US sources. even italian journalist bend the reality but have to admit it. for the rest it is clear that since green and mafia are accused to work together by some Italians, and that finally the cleaning was clearly done by mafia or alike, in a country where rossi was in competition with mafia who dumped waste in pits in the south at a high cost because of green regulation. i report green and mafia maybe working together, I don't say the green are aware of it...idiot utile, like green for carbon cap traders, or antinuke for coal, gas, green bizz, and rare earth mining companies. 2014-07-20 6:56 GMT+02:00 Steve High diamondweb...@gmail.com: Nice try, but I can categorically state that this schlock-thriller has nothing to do with Dottore Rossi, there being a complete absence of snakes and clowns, despite the propensity of snakes and clowns to figure prominently in movies of this sort. On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ca1N4hFFQklist=UUBbbFPLSMkDhHBPdazJOEaA -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Ed Storms Explains LENR -- New Interview
should be interesting! is there a transcript? 2014-07-20 16:57 GMT+02:00 Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.com: For anyone who has 50 minutes and an interest in cold fusion theory. We discuss both Ed's theory specifically and the theory landscape generally -- and get into a number of other topics in between. Thanks for listening: http://coldfusionnow.org/interview-with-dr-edmund-storms-on-lenr-theory/
Re: [Vo]:opening a discussion
the question you are asking are interesting and they are the one the physicist community focus on... however I judge they are of another century. maybe it is my education in semiconductors, current interest in LENR, my experience with finance, with distributed parallel computing, my generation educated with neural network and AI,but my impression is that the real new frontier is all kind of collective behaviors and QM intrication... the mysterious emergence of behavior in mud, sand, lattice, LENR, HTSC, and don't laugh groupthink, financial bubbles, social networks. complexity is the new energy of the 21th century 2014-07-20 17:09 GMT+02:00 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com: There are big and hugely perplexing questions that science has not yet been able to answer. Something is missing in the scientific toolbox to solve these profound mysteries. Could that something be LENR? Observational evidence is conclusive that something is happening in the regions of the universe where an all pervasive dark stuff is spread more or less evenly throughout the cold reaches of intergalactic space. There, cold, low intensity nano reactions might thrive. Dark matter definitely exists; we detect gravity where the ordinary bright matter is not. Dark energy is less well understood; the observational data demands something, and modified-gravity models are not yet very promising. What could be producing all that power and still remain cold and undetectable, could that dark something be LENR? 95% of the universe is dark and cold – Science says let’s keep an open mind. But that open mind cannot include LENR, a process well suited to thrive in these vast icy voids between the stars. Science now has a picture that fits all the data: General relativity (gravity), the Standard Model of particle physics, and an inventory of ordinary matter, dark matter, and dark energy. But profound puzzles remain in science: reconciling gravity with quantum mechanics, what is dark matter, what is dark energy, and why is there so little dark energy compared to the expected amounts if connected with vacuum energy. Could we be missing something important, something essential, something fundamental, could that something be LENR? Could LENR be an all pervasive process that is spread throughout the universe occurring in interstellar gas clouds of hydrogen and helium detritus? There are clues that it could be. For example, those gas clouds are radiating 400% more extreme ultraviolet light (XUV) than can be explained from surveys of XUV sources including black holes, quasars, and big young stars. The lithium puzzle points to a process that is removing 1000 times more lithium 7 than can be explained by processes occurring in the centers of the stars. Something is consuming all the lithium; could it be LENR? The expansion of the universe is just starting to kick in after 14 billion years and it is now accelerating. It wasn’t there in those earlier times but it is now strengthening with a vengeance. Could this accelerating expansion, not in evidence till recently, be the result of an inflating and highly energy active expanse of hydrogen clouds just now getting some elbow room within expanding voids between the stars? There is observational evidence that the dark matter colliding in the bullet galaxy cluster is a soliton as big as that galaxy cluster. How can that be? But some theories of LENR might explain it. Dark matter can interact with itself as shown by the collision occurring in the musket ball galaxy. LENR based solitons can do that. Could the acceptance of the concept of LENR be the Holy Grail that can give science a key to unlock some of the most intractable conundrums they now struggle with? Just like any fact, these stubborn issues will not go away until their real cause is recognized; it’s just a matter of time. LENR is a major cosmological process not yet recognized by our myopic science and it is never going to go away. LENR will just be sitting there cross-legged, intransient, wise and immutable like the smiling Budda, as a great and universal truth stubbornly waiting to be recognized: it’s just a matter of time. On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 4:08 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Thinkers and potental Writers, Just now, I have NOT published this paper: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/07/past-cold-fusion-versus-future-heni-in.html only its title. The subject- past-present-future of LENR is much too sensitive and in danger to be drowned in Detailitis, Dilutitis, Disputitis Defrostitis and Defocusitis so please help me with the text. It is important and will be also urgent, soon, I hope. Thank you. Peter, -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Ed Storms Explains LENR -- New Interview
maybe some connexions, but Hydroton is a 1D object, constrained in a lattice defect... metallic 1D hydrogen... Rydberg states is rather talking of excitation of the electrons.. maybe is rydberg state of atoms in a coherent 1D chain of metallic hydrogen... maybe is is a 1D rydberg matter... need more data 2014-07-20 21:22 GMT+02:00 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com: Why is the hydroton different from Rydberg hydrogen crystals(aka matter)? On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Thanks. Good interview. The main complaint from the non-specialists - which will insure that it gets few viewers - is lack of graphics. Which is unrealistic of course, since who (especially among volunteers) has the resources for a graphics artist these days? I was going to suggest looping parts of an existing video, without the sound, like this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD4hj2PmkoY They are supposedly a for-profit company who might agree - for a little joint PR. Anyway - If anything needs to be cleared up it is the “hydroton”. Everything in the Storms theory pretty much depends on this hybrid concept. It is a hypothetical “chemical structure” without any precedence in chemistry or physics. To me, it looks like a strained attempt to shoehorn Hagelstein’s ideas about lack of gammas into fractofusion, together with something vaguely related to Mills. Ed has expressed before that he does not like his concept being referred to as fractofusion…. but he has this love/hate thing with trying to draw the line between hot and cold fusion is a peculiar way that probably cannot be valid. My response is that if walks like a duck and quacks like a duck …. Well, anyway - we ought to start a new thread on the hydroton when enough readers have gotten hold of the book. Jones *From:* Foks0904 For anyone who has 50 minutes and an interest in cold fusion theory. We discuss both Ed's theory specifically and the theory landscape generally -- and get into a number of other topics in between. Thanks for listening: http://coldfusionnow.org/interview-with-dr-edmund-storms-on-lenr-theory/
Re: [Vo]:a new Ego Out paper
as a techwatch having seen what happen in LENR, pseudo-medicine, nocebo spreading, green fashion and fears, climate debate I have observed something that is named memeplex. I feel now that in 1989 LENR was the subject of a battle between the 21th century neomalthusian doomer post-industrial postnormal-science naturalist memeplex and the 19th century progress cornucopian technology start-trek optimism humanis memeplex that bring us to the 1960s. it was much more uncertain that I imagined and there was a real support of the cirnucopian dream... a serie of errors make tha ballance fall agains FP, because they hide data, they did not defend their position is some key conferences, because physicist were incompetent in calorimetry yet too powerful, because seaborg launched ERAB panel with a mix of physicist lack of imagination and high level of political sense. would seaborg be in vacation, FP present at some conferences, some semiconductor experts or chemist in key place in the DoE, it would have fallen in the other side... media, authors, sci society and science comics just locked the result of the coin toggling. today we can see that the memeplex of doom is extremely dominant to the point that medicine discovered nocebo in therapeutical studies, and laws are voted to protect diagnosticated depressive from unicorn allergy. 2014-07-18 21:02 GMT+02:00 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com: Dear Peter, I believe that the meme of LENR is more consequential than we can possibly now imagine. Our currently held widest hopes for LENR are just the wave drenched tip of a very big iceberg which lay far below our current understanding, lucking just under the icy ocean of our current awareness. Let me now convey the full magnitude of power of the LENR meme. If LENR is the source of Dark Energy and Dark Matter, one day in our future when we fully understand how to control LENR, we may be able to build galleries to fit our needs, to reposition galactic clusters to suite are whims; humankind my one day have the power to stop the expansion of the universe in places that we may desire. All this power lies in the full embrace of the LENR dream. On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: My dear Friends, I have just now published: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/07/the-vuca-world-of-lenr-how-long-it-will.html History of LENR will decide if i was too optimist or, on the contrary... However I have decided to tell you sincerely everything I think, taking all the risks. We all have to develop active VUCA awareness. yours faithfully, Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's competitive analisys
My reports is that Luca is far from being a newcomer or a carpetbagger in the domain. I let people knowing who he is report the precise facts to support what have been reported to me. Luca have a past, a good past. this is painful to me, but the credibility of DGT compared to Luca was much lower even before the report... Since I'm a young ape it took time for me to get informed. now if you can find a credible story where everybody is honest, I will be happy for defkalion people. Today accusing Luca is far from being credible. The best hypothesis I have is based on only awfully unethical behavior, and the worst is punishable. This is not our war as Rambo would say. 2014-07-14 0:50 GMT+02:00 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com: I have heard rumors that Gamberale is a thief and a liar. To the validity of this rumor, I cannot hold an informed opinion. At this juncture I cannot really know who to believe. This uncertainty in the motives of any single source is why reliable news organization must get multiple conformations from highly trusted sources who are known to have no apparent agenda toward the news item in question before they spread any news derived from those trusted sources. On point that is troubling is news that Gamberale is still working in the LENR field. This implies a continuing conflict of interest regarding his opinions and assertions. Do you now have other reliable sources who will go on the record to confirm what Gamberale asserts? On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Why is Rossi so worried about Defkalion? It seems that Rossi's Defkalion concerns are transcendent far above all other competitors. I think he is upset by them, but not worried. He feels that he was misled and abused by them. I do not think he considers them competitors. He does not think they have anything. Based on the Gamberale report, I do not think they have anything either. Maybe some other report I have not seen shows they have something after all. But, so far, only Gamberale has published, and he is totally negative. Rossi is worried that a bad reputation for the field will make it harder for him. I get that. To some extent, opposition to cold fusion is good for him. It gives him a chance to work without competition. But, when the opposition ramps up too high, and there is too much hysteria in the mass media, that hurts him. For example, if the Swedish television reporter had her way, the second ELFORSK test would be abandoned. That would be bad for Rossi. He needs that test. He needs some degree of credibility. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Atomic scientist reaches out-of-court settlement...
how lucky is cold fusion to be assumed impossible so that they is no blacksuit to forbid it ;-) in fact from FP explosion, rossi explosion, it seems some self-regulation should be enforced... detecting and recording radiations, checking contamination, keeping samples... all is mild radioactive, but it is... is ther an analysis in Banana Equivalent Dose of what was produced by Rossi, FP or others explosions ? of tritium experiments? 2014-07-01 3:10 GMT+02:00 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net: Details of the small tokomak are limited. Here is an image: http://golem.fjfi.cvut.cz It is a neutron generator - thousands of times below breakeven, so it is unclear what great utility it has. The takeaway message seems to be that it is difficult to fire a high level employee in the UK. Jones -Original Message- From: Bo Gärdmark The following link could perhaps be of interest for some of the list members: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2660331/Atomic-scientist-reaches-cou rt-settlement-Government-claiming-sacked-discredit-work-believes-stop-global -warming.html Regards Bo, SM6FIE
Re: [Vo]:New book.
good cooking it seems. 2014-06-30 22:08 GMT+02:00 torulf.gr...@bredband.net: Have someone read this book? It is good? http://www.amazon.com/Cold-Fusion-Unabridged-Rose-Doris/dp/1486197817/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1404158676sr=8-1keywords=Doris+Rose+fusion
Re: [Vo]:dancing the proper dance
one challenge of classic LENr theory (I mean, classic QM, led what Ed Storms propose) is the difference of energy scale between chemistry/electronic energy and the MeV of nuclear energy... Here we see relativistic electrons have such MeV energy (I don't see how much, but the synchrotron is at this scale or above) now reverting the time is not so evident because of thermodynamic... what could be imagined is thus nuclear excitation of a periodic lattice, which accelerate relativistic electrons... not sure it can be reversible? and I imagine that electrons cannot be accelerated from low energy electrons, but from already energetic electrons... maybe are those relativistic electrons (or protons? or some pseudo particle) linked to some superconduction, or graphene-like electrons more question than answers... I imagine one plumber idea (don't laugh) based on Hydroton theory. imagine a chain of hydrotons (1D metallic hydrogen -p-e-p-e-p-e-p-e-p-e-p-e-p-e-) now imagine that a solitons propagating on the chain on that chain push a random p-e-p to fuse into d suddenly you have -p-e-p-e-p-e- d -e-p-e with a vacancy... maybe creating a soliton that can accelerate electron, or even p-e- node and create gamma... and why don is that soliton able to trigger another question is energy scale... If I understand well that soliton is normally a phonon of low energy, so my idea is wrong... Discrete breather may be of higher energy, but how much? keV? MeV? maybe also can there be solitons who are based not on nucleus movement (phonon), but on nucleus excitation (how? nuclei isomeric transition? but how to propagate it?) the more I dig the more I understand that the most easy answer is to say it is impossible. problem is that it happens. cand some physicist , staying in known quantum physics (no new physics please), can tell me the various collective mechanism, pseudo-particles, that can appear at KeV/MeV scale? It seems nuclei are a bit insulated in their atom, except when impacted ... 2014-06-28 5:25 GMT+02:00 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com: http://physics.aps.org/synopsis-for/10.1103/PhysRevLett.112.254801 A Crystalline Undulator A flow of electrons can produce gamma rays if an undulate can vibrate them at the proper wavelength. With every physical law being symmetric, it is reasonable to expect that a flow of electrons can absorb gamma rays if these electrons can move with the proper motions.
Re: [Vo]:MFMP nominated for Nobel Peace Prize
for chemistry. It would be a shame is LENR would be given to physics. 2014-06-28 19:43 GMT+02:00 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com: They don't qualify for the Peace prize. They haven't started any wars. They could, however, win a Nobel prize for fizzix. On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 3:07 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Public voting was not considered - see my analysis at FQXI- the essay judged as worst by the community was rated as the best of the public with lots of votes, i.e. manipulation. The rating system is not good and will be changed hopefully. However is difficult to rate objectively 150 essays, so i understand the necessity of an initial raw and brutal (counter) selection. In my I have told only about DGT and Rossi in the context of Technology- not science. I have the privilege of the friendship with the MFMP boys and i am collaborating with them- an excellent team which deserves Success. Unfortunately I have no funding for them Peter On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: Public voting is still enabled. Maybe all 3 of us can get a boost from this. I do not recall: did your essay highlight the MFMP effort? On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 11:47 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately all the 3 pro-cold fusion FQXI essays (by Jed, Kevin and me) have been down-voted by the community of participants- a Pareto issue (80% honest, 20 % dishonest) and did not made it to the pool of 40 (from 153) of potential winners. As regarding MFMP they represent a great initiative and a noble alternative of how research is made, however for development the Montecuccoli stuff decides. Our young colleagues have received only 4.6% of the funding they need. Peter On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: I figure this was worth some self-promotion at the FQXI essay contest. After all, how many other essay contestants were seeking to highlight an organization that got nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize DURING THE CONTEST? Author Kevin O\'Malley wrote on Jun. 28, 2014 @ 06:17 GMT stub Humanity would be steered properly by taking notice of this development. No one else can claim that the organization they were seeking to highlight in this essay contest was IN THE SAME TIME FRAME highlighted by the Nobel Peace Prize process. r -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:dancing the proper dance -- also see the dubinko discrete breather thread
Interesting. I found that conference site... maybe some may find interesting documents http://www.quodons.webs.upv.es/ 2014-06-28 20:44 GMT+02:00 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com: -- *From: *Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com *Sent: *Saturday, June 28, 2014 3:16:16 AM *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:dancing the proper dance can some physicist , staying in known quantum physics (no new physics please), can tell me the various collective mechanism, pseudo-particles, that can appear at KeV/MeV scale? It seems nuclei are a bit insulated in their atom, except when impacted ... F.M. Russell, the discoverer (Long, interesting story) of quodons, a form of 2-dimensional moving discrete breather, indicates that an individual atom participating in it will have an energy in the range of 100eV. But the effective temperature is of the order of 10^5K --- so you have a hotspot travelling through a lattice at 1/2 the speed of sound, without attenuation --- so the actual probability of a d-d (or h-h) fusion collision is quite high. Dubinko in his novel discrete breather paper http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg94276.html quotes one Russell paper, but not the one in which he discusses LANF (as he calls it). https://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=webcd=4cad=rjauact=8ved=0CDkQFjADurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.researchgate.net%2Fpublication%2F228853378_Persistent_mobile_lattice_excitations_in_a_crystalline_insulator%2Ffile%2Fd912f50aa2c03b5ec4.pdfei=twmvU86HJZL6oATI54CAAQusg=AFQjCNF4zyFBul8t5GjJNuXGqsKCMVIsjAsig2=TPPAvYJP5-xuZApip4y7bw or google PERSISTENT MOBILE LATTICE EXCITATIONS IN A CRYSTALLINE INSULATOR F. M. Russell and J. C. Eilbeck (This is a draft -- I think it was published in 2003). [cites] LANF was proposed in 2002 by F. M. Russell in private discussions with J. C. Eilbeck. Patent applications were filed on 2/05/2005 at the UK Pat. Office. Both of these are much later than Ahern's 1993 anharmonic patent.
Re: [Vo]:Hagelstein calorimetry paper
Longchampts in CEA lab (he is research engineer AFAIK) have reproduced exactly FP http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LonchamptGreproducti.pdf Mioles have compared the quality of calometries viteweed FP+Longchampt and Ivy league... http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/papers/Miles-Examples-Isoperibolic-Calorimetry-ICCF17-ps.pdf 2014-06-25 19:01 GMT+02:00 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com: Hagelstein recently (last 2 years) wrote a paper (two?) analysing calorimetry errors, and showing that PF was quite good. It's not on lenr-canr or his MIT website. Any clues? ps : A certain expert in calorimetry has just showed up on wiki cold fusion/ talk. (No, not Mary! Had a big run-in with Storms and others). (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- and the defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
[Vo]:Olga Dmitriyeva thesis , D/H exchange heat, hotspot...
Hi all and especially Jed who know all which was written... The doctoral thesis of Olga Dmitriyeva have been found and interpreted as avidence challenging all LENr calorimetry http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/06/23/doctoral-thesis-concludes-pons-fleischmann-effect-artefact-of-chemical-reaction/ after reading quicly the thesis it seems not at al a general rebuttal but a warning agains some pitfal about D/H exchange heat, about hotspot in gas loading experiments. positively she concluded that Pd baking was an important point, and that calorimetry (flow?) should be prefered to thermometry (static/isoperibolic?). she also concluded that her finding did not apply to wet cell (too few heat dor D/H , and better mixing with fluid). Warthog told that D/H is a long time well known artifact, that newcommers and skeptics rediscover regularly because they don't have read all. Can someone more competent check if my arguments/interpretation are good ? is there other papers on D/H exchange heat ? and is there a list of those beware of artifact papers, to present to skeptic, to show it is not a believers community, but a scientific community...
[Vo]:Douglas Morrison personality, personal history
Hi all and especially the historians. I have recently been challenged about my vision of Morisson personality, which I interpret under the vision of Charles Beaudette and the Titanic paper of Jed http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusion.pdf#page=4 is there a more positive interpretation of his personality, his history ? It is said Morrison was a great enthusiast at the beginning, but turned anti-lenr (because of evidence say the skeptic)... is it right, is there documents?
Re: [Vo]:Douglas Morrison personality, personal history
Deception can be a terribel factor... We all know many ex-smokers more fanatic against than many non-smokers. It raise also something that I painfully realized, that cold fusion only looks simple, but is awfully complex to harness... not so differently from many technology however, like semiconductors, steam engine, planes, superconductors... after a scientific breakthrough we all start to dream of how we will make cars fly, and then we realise that it explode not even with a good sound... 2014-06-24 13:51 GMT+02:00 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com: I have met Douglas Morrison at ICCF-2 Como; actually my very short paper aabout cold fusion statistics see : http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2011/03/my-cold-fusion-history-i.html was prepared to show him that he does not understand statistics of cold fusion experiments. He was actually a believer turned skeptic very disappointed by the slow progress in the field. He was initially convinced that cold fusion will progress fast toward applications but has lost his enthusiasm because this does not happened. He was not alone with this defeatist attitude. I also met at Como Prof Heinz Gerischer who had great expectations from CF- in 1991. Cold Fusion is real, however strange. Peter On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all and especially the historians. I have recently been challenged about my vision of Morisson personality, which I interpret under the vision of Charles Beaudette and the Titanic paper of Jed http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusion.pdf#page=4 is there a more positive interpretation of his personality, his history ? It is said Morrison was a great enthusiast at the beginning, but turned anti-lenr (because of evidence say the skeptic)... is it right, is there documents? -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Douglas Morrison personality, personal history
this hierarchy of XXX (race, nations, science, labs) seems to be a strong factor in the dismissal of cold fusion, and by many skeptics, maybe innocently parroting, but probably comfortably applying inner hierarchy of people and organizations. I was shocked to see that results from India, China, Japan, did not increase the credibility of cold fusion experiments, not less tha from CEA done by engineers, by provincial US universities, and even by military labs... same for chemist or engineers results, rejected facing negative results from physicist. for me, initiated about groupthink and systemic fraud by finance and Internet bubble, it is evident that a variety of profession, nationality, type of organization (private, public, military, big , small) increase the credibility of replication claims. Motives are different, groupthink follow different hierarchies, money flow differently, risk, sanctions, retribution are differents, so like making various calorimetry, testing in various context is a good cross-checking... This rejection of varietry as a source of quality, make me think about the absurd demand that all replication be exact, as I know that exact replication replicate exactly the errors... and that in unknow phenomenons, errors are more reliable than chaotic phenomenon. Huizenga if I remind ell explained the tritium finding by a geography of assumed fraud. in a way the high impact journal supremacy is of the same kind... facing that it seems that Europe decided to align slowly (BAAA was teporary positive while bashed FP, but inally aligned to the US consensus). Today France, and EU is fully US-aligned (US Ivy league I mean), despite huge local results. Asia decided to fly under the radar, and neither stop nor talk of it. maybe is that tragedy not caused by a monolithic groupthink, but by a hierarchical US Ivy League physicist groupthink, that according to Benabou theory trickle down the various hiearchy or racism I discuss here... http://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers/Groupthink%20IOM%202012_07_02%20BW.pdf from physicist to chemist to engineers... from US to europe to asia from high impact journal to low impact regional letters from Nobel to lab boss to professors to wiki/forum to students what seems reported here is tha the pathology started at the heard of Manhattan project pantheon, from an informal hate of change in the Elite, materialized by few uninfluential servant of the Lords for provided what was asked, and did the dirty job. did I understand well the situation from my naive point of view based on the few reports I analysed? 2014-06-24 15:58 GMT+02:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Morrison published a series of news letters about cold fusion: Morrison Cold Fusion Update No. 1, 2, 3 . . . CFU 01.txt . . . The earliest one I have on my disk is #6. It is completely negative, and full of nonsense. As far as I know, the earlier ones were too. Morrison was a racist, by my standards. Before cold fusion emerged he went around giving lectures about how only Northern Europeans can do science. After cold fusion began he packaged this idea into what he called the regionalization of results theory, which is that people from Southern Europe, India, Asia and Africa are genetically incapable of doing calorimetry so their results are wrong. Morrison himself was incapable of doing simple arithmetic. See: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Fleischmanreplytothe.pdf Morrison was, as the British say, a piece of work. Meaning vile. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe
What about Naturwissenschaften, or Jounal of electroanalythical chemistry ? If I was the LENR community i would ask all scientist to boycott nature, Science and alike, for publication and for citation... that would be fair. Scientist will quickly and rationally know that if they try to publish there they won't be cited... absolutely monstruous, but no worse than what Nature and Science organize with somme scientific communities against dissenters to kill dissenting journals. OFF WITH THEIR HEAD like after occupation and collaboration, those who collaborated with the invader, are blacklisted if not punished. that is the way to treat pathological consensus... same as their treat the others. 2014-06-22 23:33 GMT+02:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: “Nature” would be a fool’s errand for sure. European Physical Journal B would be the wiser choice. True. But they have not published anything about cold fusion for many years, as I recall. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Bitcoin P2P Betting on E-Cat report
Who will judge the bet is won ? Nature, Science ? the problem is that in the case the report is positive based on the experimental results : - first the testers will weaken their language , like they already did, to avoid commiting, whatever is the result. - second the skeptics will just say no it is not true and they will win the bet... because Nature, Science, APS will confirm... you should rather bet on something opposable like : an announce by a big companies (how many billions sales?10bn?), who never communicate on LENR (list in th bet the companies to exclude), they are funding research in LENR... or a client who communicates. NB: is Cherokee not a client since they bought the technology ? 2014-06-22 0:02 GMT+02:00 Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com: Hi guys, I'm not too sure how it would work, but here it goes anyway. I don't think that there is anyone in this world who would bet that the reported COP will be 2, not even the skeptics, as they believe that the report will be wrong or faked. https://www.betmoose.com/bet/result-of-independent-test-of-rossi-ecat-2014-240 Regards. Patrick
Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe
let us imagine the unimaginable... It work. now, the swedish scientist have measured heat... positive. they re mesure... delay...positive... impossible. so the look for nuclear ashes... delay... interesting but uncmmon... they remeasure... delay... they prepare a paper a report... since it is impossible all the review ask for more... delays... new cross checking, DC ofset , alien conspiracy, inverted swpped clamps, complicities, russian KGB, NSA manipulation... many things to chech, thus delays... the testers are accused by swedish public radio, by DoE, by INFN, APS, CEA, SciAm, , La Recherche, nature, Science, to be accomplice, to be scammer, deluded, ... so they rewrite the paper with more check, ... delays... now imagine it does not work because Rossi is deluded the tester makes a test it does not work they ask him to explain... he cannot... they test another reactor... it does not work... they recheck.. nothing to say... rossi's moan that the measurement is wrong... they recheck... after 3 weeks the scientist are convinced the 3 reactors are borke... they write a paper... rossi ask for correction. they do the minimum. 2 weeks. they publish the paper, warn Elforsk to stop defending that technology. end of the story Now imagine rossi try to fool them (how? with pu238? with inverted clamps ? with DC ?) they launche the test, after few minustes, hours, days they make a cross check, see something strange, re check, have an hypothesis, test its, understand the trick, reproduce it... 3 weeks, they write a report... Rossi moan, they don't hear him, and tell to the planet rossi is a scammer... now what have happened ? in which world are we ? we are in the world where: - the heat is big enough to justify the test continuation - rossi reactor works for 4 month (or they would have used another of their spare reactor) without breakdown (it can have faded however) - the scientist are very skeptic in the positive meaning (they want more evidences) - they scientist make many cross check, including isotopic analysis... (for proving nuclear nature or even for proposing a Nobel theory paper) Hey guys, imagine that those physicist prepare a paper for the Nobel... maybe you are right Kevin, scientist are using that time for their own interest ... to make a Nobel paper. at least to save their butt from the SR radio and S Coyaud rascals. 2014-06-21 17:51 GMT+02:00 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net: Sorry to sound like that scratched record myself - as I see others have said the same thing. Steven, Yes ... and there could be a third and more important inescapable conclusion. You do not delay a report for an isotopic analysis if there has been no excess heat ! You simply issue a negative report. IOW if the report was indeed delayed for this reason, it is a slam-dunk that they have seen excess heat. From: Orionworks - Jones sez: ... sounding like a scratched vinyl record Perhaps so. However I'm inclined to speculate that two inescapable conclusions have been drawn: (1) Spurious anomalous heat continues to be recorded. (2) They can not accurately predict and/or control the generation of spurious anomalous heat. When it comes to conducting scientific investigations where highly controversial claims of anomalous heat have been alleged, precise AND PREDICTABLE calorimetric data must be recorded repeatedly. The unpredictability of the heat measurements - I could see how this is likely to drive a lot of researchers who have had had little or no exposure to the LENR field, up the wall. By nature most of these researchers are going to be pre-disposed to assume that a measurement mistake had been made. I suspect many are baffled that they have not found such a definitive mistake. It sticks in their craw. Combine this with the likely fact that the recorded data is often unpredictable. Such unpredictability is likely feed off of their suspicions that something is just not right here. It continues to breed a sense that a lack of proper scientific control is the most likely explanation. So... what do you do? Call in more troops and advisors. Prepare to conduct another surge test in a final attempt to root out what is assumed to be pesky insurgency of bad elements that they haven't been able to eliminate. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe
just a nasty question ... who opposed Cold Fusion research ? DoD,Navy ? Commercial/Military Nuke labs ? or rather : APS, , DoE, NYT, Swedish Public Radio, INFN, CERN, scientific journals... was the aggression like commando and killing, or academic execution, insults, peer-review blocking, nasty biased articles and books, ... our society treat the academic like religious people in the traditional societies, thei mean they can do what they want without being punished, and they don't even feel guilty because they do the good, and the good is them. Scientific method, classic quantum physics, is probably absloutely respected and working in that story. what have been broken is: - academic - scientific press - mainstream press and scientific journalism - government advisors in scientific and engineering domain - theory as physicist imagine it is on the opposite : - scientific method - physics - chemistry - calorimetry - thermodynamic laws - business ability to fund research and developement (with many failures as usual) - inventors ability to develop application (with many failures as usual) are still unchallenged (until new evidence ). 2014-06-21 22:03 GMT+02:00 AlanG a...@magicsound.us: Or another possibility: some men in black suits and mirror shades told them you can't publish this as written, matter of National, NATO, EU, World security, top secret ( pick one or more). We will tell you what you can say, and when, or else...and don't tell Rossi we were here. That's how it would go in the novel anyway. AlanG On 6/21/2014 9:32 AM, Alain Sepeda wrote: let us imagine the unimaginable... It work. now, the swedish scientist have measured heat... positive. they re mesure... delay...positive... impossible. so the look for nuclear ashes... delay... interesting but uncmmon... they remeasure... delay... they prepare a paper a report... since it is impossible all the review ask for more... delays... new cross checking, DC ofset , alien conspiracy, inverted swpped clamps, complicities, russian KGB, NSA manipulation... many things to chech, thus delays... the testers are accused by swedish public radio, by DoE, by INFN, APS, CEA, SciAm, , La Recherche, nature, Science, to be accomplice, to be scammer, deluded, ... so they rewrite the paper with more check, ... delays... now imagine it does not work because Rossi is deluded the tester makes a test it does not work they ask him to explain... he cannot... they test another reactor... it does not work... they recheck.. nothing to say... rossi's moan that the measurement is wrong... they recheck... after 3 weeks the scientist are convinced the 3 reactors are borke... they write a paper... rossi ask for correction. they do the minimum. 2 weeks. they publish the paper, warn Elforsk to stop defending that technology. end of the story Now imagine rossi try to fool them (how? with pu238? with inverted clamps ? with DC ?) they launche the test, after few minustes, hours, days they make a cross check, see something strange, re check, have an hypothesis, test its, understand the trick, reproduce it... 3 weeks, they write a report... Rossi moan, they don't hear him, and tell to the planet rossi is a scammer... now what have happened ? in which world are we ? we are in the world where: - the heat is big enough to justify the test continuation - rossi reactor works for 4 month (or they would have used another of their spare reactor) without breakdown (it can have faded however) - the scientist are very skeptic in the positive meaning (they want more evidences) - they scientist make many cross check, including isotopic analysis... (for proving nuclear nature or even for proposing a Nobel theory paper) Hey guys, imagine that those physicist prepare a paper for the Nobel... maybe you are right Kevin, scientist are using that time for their own interest ... to make a Nobel paper. at least to save their butt from the SR radio and S Coyaud rascals. 2014-06-21 17:51 GMT+02:00 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net: Sorry to sound like that scratched record myself - as I see others have said the same thing. Steven, Yes ... and there could be a third and more important inescapable conclusion. You do not delay a report for an isotopic analysis if there has been no excess heat ! You simply issue a negative report. IOW if the report was indeed delayed for this reason, it is a slam-dunk that they have seen excess heat. From: Orionworks - Jones sez: ... sounding like a scratched vinyl record Perhaps so. However I'm inclined to speculate that two inescapable conclusions have been drawn: (1) Spurious anomalous heat continues to be recorded. (2) They can not accurately predict and/or control the generation of spurious anomalous heat. When it comes to conducting scientific investigations where highly controversial claims of anomalous heat have been
[Vo]:Re: questions on LENR history, He4, Morrison, DoE panel
Hi all, There is a fierce discussion on E-cat world http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/06/17/discrete-breathers-in-lenr-paper/#comment-1440220909 I tried to answer with what I was aware off, but there is new claims that I was not ware of, and I would like to know if it is pure BS or real, or simply biased among the question there is He4 measurement. the skeptic says that Miles/Bush He4/heat correlation was judged inconclusive finally... that McKubre dis a similar measurement inconclusive too. is there a synthetic document on He4/heat measurement, qualitative and quantitative another is on Morrison personality, which according to the Titanic paper of Jed seems to be incompetent and stubborn. the skeptic claims that he was initially supportive ... he claims also tha tritium is very near background... It seems totally false, but maybe not in peer reviewed papers... his problem is that his world stop at PR papers, and I agree that the best papers are more recent and cannot be published because of the Berlin wall agains cold fusion... this is an interesting debate to clear out arguments, and eventually clear bad claims, or reinforse argumentation... thanks for your help.
Re: [Vo]:Don Hotson has passed away
2014-06-19 1:59 GMT+02:00 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net: Normally we expect that the inventor understands his device, but you are aware of the problems with that view - has anything changed? It seems not at all the rule. It is a recent pseudo-evidence of academic myth that theory is important for innovation. It helps, but afterward, to optimize the system. The normal path is : finding an anomaly denial by academic few crazy scientist stay stubborn but are locked by pet theories and lack of imagination crazy rule-breaker does something stupid according to all theories and it works engineers try to design something that work better based on observation and known practice academic start to admit facts they find a theory engineers based on the theory make the things work more reliably academic write history book where all started with a theory, and all before is forgotten a new anomaly is found
Re: [Vo]:Gamma downshifting
This makes the approach of Edmund Storms sensible. It seems clear that 24MeV gamma are not created... why ? clearly the energy exist... is it spread among hundreds of coherent particles ? is it transmitted to charged particles instead ? seems impossible because of momentum conservation, except if a pair of particle is emitted. Is it transmited to intranuclear energy level ? seems impossible to have a nucleus excited at 24MeV (is it?). the idea that something can shield neutrons or 24MeV gamma, seems unrealistic... however the heat is there, the helium too, so even if it seems hard to admit, we have to admit... the minimum of course... Occam Razor's rules! 2014-06-19 15:56 GMT+02:00 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net: -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com ...however there are no electronic transitions that match gamma energies of several MeV. Though Uranium will absorb x-rays of 115 keV. Robin is correct on this. Photons of light, UV or even soft x-rays can be downshifted efficiently by specialty engineered structures or even by tuned photons of light to increase efficiency, but not gamma ray photons. Photons of light have electronic transitions which can be matched with molecular or atomic sized structures, since the wavelengths are long enough, typically half a micron for visible light, but gamma rays are hundreds of times shorter in wavelength and there is no atomic structure in nature which can become resonant and absorb. It is as simple as that. Thus, there is no known way to effectively shield gammas above the 100 keV energy range mentioned by Robin, whereas gammas from deuterium fusion are typically above 1 MeV - up to 24 MeV. Lots of money has been spent trying to do this, since there would be a big advantage to power aircraft with nuclear reactors. And as always, there is this caveat, which even the experts overlook. It is not the inability to shield some gamma rays which is the insurmountable problem, but the inability to shield 100% without exception. There is no room for error. Partial shielding is as useless as a screen door on a submarine. 24 MeV radiation is so deadly that even if one part per billion escapes - when an experiment is running at the kilowatt level of thermal gain, as Rossi claims, then the experimenter is fried within minutes. Very few industrial processes can be engineered at such high reliability. It makes no sense to dwell on the issue of reliable gamma downshifting in LENR. It simply cannot happen.
Re: [Vo]:Superconducting secrets solved after 30 years
any link with Discrete Breather ? (naive idea) Storms and the recent DB paper propose that hugely non linear soliton like DB allow concentration and breathing... Maybe the twist mode of the pocket can be that solitons (since I don't understand all, I let expert explain me wrong) following Storms idea we are looking for something that can concentrate hundred of keV (less if as said in the DB paper there is screening, but I did not understand what they mean), and then that can absorb MeV and distribute in dozens of distinct keV quanta... how? should call a quantum latice zoologist 2014-06-18 7:39 GMT+02:00 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com: http://phys.org/news/2014-06-superconducting-secrets-years.html twisted 'pockets' of electrons cause superconductivity in high-Tc copper oxides. I contend that twisted 'pockets' of electrons also produce LENR reactions.
Re: [Vo]:Superconductors up to 77 Celsius (170F, 350K)
the difference is that it needed no instrument to be observed (levitation), and that physicist have replicated it, and not only chemist... The tragedy of LENr is that is chemistry experiment, indirectly measured through invisible characteristic needing confidence in instruments and computation (balance), and that physicist thinks it is their business because it is nuclear. since they say it is not nuclear, they should let the chemist decide. most chemist decided that their funding and career did not deserve to be ruined for that and they kept silent (because they were not enough incompetent and crook to support the deliria of taubes/Huizenga/Parks/Lewis/hansen/Morrison and their parrots)... except few irrational=honest chemist ruined their career ands lost their funding. 2014-06-15 6:45 GMT+02:00 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com: And yet, there is still no established HTSC theory. Using the reasoning that has been applied to LENR... therefore, HTSC must not exist. On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.superconductors.org/News.htm I am please to be the first to post that Superconductors.ORG reports high Tc has been advanced to 77 Celsius (170F, 350K)
Re: [Vo]:LENr debate on scienceforum.net
many point : @Axil I understand that their limited competence in lattice QM ^prevent then to find a way to explain LENR. Even competent people did not find a validated theory... only proposal... I cannot accept that facing difficulties to establish a theory, the first reaction is to deny reality to the numerous and rechecked and unchallenged evidences. @Kevin I have followed discussion whether Moderation is censorship. in fact even violent moderation is not censorship, provided there are place where this moderation have different rules. Censorship happen when some opinion are forbidden in any place. In theory it can be justified because we can imagine that some opinion or expressions are false or dangerous. The proble is tha exoerience have shown than in a real system, there is frequently valid opinion or pretended dangerous ideas that are good. Freedom of speech is just modesty, accepting that censor can be wrong, not that they are always wrong. for moderation, the freedom of speech will just require there is a forum where you can publish your opinion. in the real world however there are forum with high visibility, and place with big funding, and preventing honest opinion to be expressed in those arena is an unfair obstacle... but as we see with cold fusion, at least ideas can survive underground. 2014-06-12 5:55 GMT+02:00 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com: On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 8:11 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think anyone advances serious consideration of LENR by posting huge messages to unsympathetic forums. (Think of how well something is received here when someone trolls. ***Hindsight is 20/20. Someone with a scientific bent might log onto a scienceforums.net discussion about a fascinating scientific discussion around Metallic Hydrides, Anomalous Heat, Calorimetry, and the scientific method. Such a person might not be aware of the unsympathetic nature of the forum because it is, after all, a science forum. I went through a similar process on Free Republic, where I had trouble believing such intelligent people could be such strong asshole*bandwagon joiners. The difference is in the level of hypocrisy the founders are willing to engage in. For instance, right here on Vortex there are some very straightforward opening remarks about how hyperskepticism is unwelcome and sneering is grounds for removal. But on what basis does a scientific forum enforce against scientific topics it is unsympathetic towards? On controversial topics it would be less hypocritical to just allow the fur to fly but enforce simple rules such as are mentioned by the moderator -- no classic logical fallacies, that kind of thing. Moderator: Please also note that the use of logical fallacy is against forum rules, so keep the appeal to authority out of it. Of course, when the moderators couldn't pick a blue logical fallacy out of a field of ldaisies when it comes to one side, then the hypocrisy factor is what is coming into play.
[Vo]:LENr debate on scienceforum.net
http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/83658-low-energy-nuclear-reactions-cold-fusion-thread-hijack-split/ If serious people with good reference can participate
Re: [Vo]:LENr debate on scienceforum.net
what is shocking me, is that activist or deniers, convinced or not, most people will again and again discuss whether the theory allow it, whether it is possible... No need to ask the permission to theory for LENR to exist, since it happens. nobody challenge the evidence... they talk of theory exhausting. 2014-06-11 19:39 GMT+02:00 Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com: Alain I think the link you provided has a lot of value. The reasons are many. There are many clarifications of what is the current status of LENR is in a nutshell. 1. There is no denial of that something happens when certain parameters are engaged some certain way, which produce more energy than what can be explained with current thermodynamic laws. 2. We do not know what is happening and where the science will need a modification. 3. We do not know if even the ecat is capable of producing a COP large enough that useful energy (I.E electricity) can be extracted for a long period of time - reliable. (Maybe changing soon - hope so.) 4. Scientists will discuss theoretical possibilities for a long time forward and an increasing number of scientists will be engaged if a viable commercial product is offered to the market. One day someone will provide an explanation and perhaps receive a Nobel prize or at least receive well deserved accolade. 5. Regardless of 4 above as soon as a commercial product is available we will see many competing products many with the Ecat concept and others with competing concepts. 6. It is clear to me that immediately we reach the critical point (commercialization), we will enter a period, which in its own way might be as important for the future development of LENR as is the reasons to find the theories behind it. The reasons for that i,s many interests are now going to collide. I do not think that any government conspiracy will be an issue for reasons I am happy to give later. However, I am sure that established businesses - particularly energy companies, which can see the of their business model - will be key players. I know that was a lot of words to reach a point obvious to most people here. My concern is that if we let the big and mighty and very resourceful energy companies take over they will work this entirely as it fits their agenda. Implementation will happen as is best for the change over of those large entities - as they are too big to fail they will allowed that by the government (see GM). I know that many people in Vortex wants to see greener earth and a better planet - soon. I think that it is most important to make sure there is an adequate business model to take care of the opportunity, which a successful LENR could provide. The problem is that the window of opportunity will be small. I will stop here with saying that in short that means to change to a more flexible format (business model) with very small footprint but high flexibility and speed. Henry Ford's influence gave us big and self sufficient companies with stability to survive without any concern about the outside factors. Now we cannot be away from outside factors even for a minute or when asleep (Cellphone) so we need a format that mirrors our time and the product of the future. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 1:08 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/83658-low-energy-nuclear-reactions-cold-fusion-thread-hijack-split/ If serious people with good reference can participate
[Vo]:Looking for existing written critics on fleischmann, and replicators, CALORIMETRY
Hi all, after reading the book of Beaudette, who clearly investigated better than me until 2001, I started to ask for any non refuted/addressed critic agains FP calorimetry, and I will add agains followers. According to beaudette there is only 4 critics : - Lewis who claim the cell is not well stirred - hansen who claim there is huge recombination - morrison who abuse hypnotics mushrooms (dissolved gas, huge thermal gradient) - Wilsons who raised good point, refuted Hansen and Lewis, but could not ruleout excess heat in biggest event. There is also recent (2000+) Shanahan article, which was discussed here. The defense was well done, even if I follow the rebuttal position, so best is not to cover it. is there other serious arguments that beaudette have overlooked... or new critics ? no skeptic was able to even deliver one of the Fantastic Four articles. they seems to believe based on pure buzz, and trust in authorities... not even, basing their position on bad article. as could say Spock, Fascinating!
[Vo]:An article more documented than usual on Cold Fusion early hisory
I ust found that article http://www.conspirazzi.com/cold-fusion-proven-true it seems more documented than most even positive articles. if some can correct possible errors, or complete.
Re: [Vo]:Swedish Professors Chomping at the Bit
One reason for the scientist, like for Elforsk boss, is not taking risk to be wrong but very probably they already know what they are (right or wrong), and that they did not take the opportunity to flee the debate is an information. If the test was a flop, the boss of Elforsk would have said : I did not call for that test, and we will see the result, and if money was wasted I will change internal policy. and he will thank the radio for the whistle blowing. And the testers would say : sorry I'm busy on another serious project, cannot say more., and you will see update on their Linked-in account. The main reason to support the: Test will be either positive or negative, but previous indication could not remove the possibility it works, so we investigated is to look neutral , not already convinced. Of course they have an opinion, a rational opinion, based on what they observed... Not having an opinion would be a lack of realism. But pretending to be neutral give their voice more credibility if the result is positive. For the skeptics who convinced the masses, the LENR supporters are not realist basing their opinion on facts, but a gang of believers who bend evidence to support their dream. Another reason of their formulation is that the show that NOT PURSUING INVESTIGATION IS NOT SCIENTIFIC. It is an attack against the don't look into the telescope motto of the skeptical authorities, an absurd anti-scientific position. 2014-06-04 4:15 GMT+02:00 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com: I don't know why they replied. Since (as Jed pointed out) they ran the test for the full duration it was most likely positive. The only reason I can think of is that the Swedish coverage might influence journal editors, but I think a solid paper and a cover letter would serve the same purpose. I sincerely doubt that a journal will pick it up, so it will most likely be self-published (again) and generally ignored (again).
Re: [Vo]:Swedish Professors Chomping at the Bit
about the problem some people have with the unknown is fascinating. Am I a genius in understanding what is a black box test ? in assuming that if some heat above any known chemical process, above the theoretical chemistry limit, thus there is something ... interesting to look further ? It is the same for the difference between the importance of successful experiments compared to failed experiment... I cannot understand how people with PhD can be so... illogical. i understand why most people trust that absurdities on wikipravda... because it is so illogical, so clearly stupid, so evident for someone above high-school level, that any educated citizen, andy over educated scientists, assume that he missed a point and feel he have to trust, because he is too stupid to understand that superior absurd logic. sometime I feel happy to be a simple mind... the Beaudette doctrine is simple : it produce heat, ok... now explanations are another problem. ...p when i think agains of educated people like Pomp who use the rate of failure as an evidence... who criticize low success rate... did he miss all TV document on scientific discovery? maybe academics should look more TV. and people not understanding what is a blackbox test... I have models, of groupthink, of paradigm change, but it looks so crazy for educated people to miss evidences a kid above 7 can understand. 2014-06-04 19:45 GMT+02:00 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com: At 08:40 AM 6/4/2014, you wrote: The Galileo Test cannot be one on the Ni/H reactor. Its design and operating principles are top secret. We are at the religion stage currently and the builders of the Ni/H reactors want to keep it that way for as long as possible. You can put your eye to the telescope without knowing what lenses are, and how refraction works. Particles? Waves? You can see Jupiter's moons and Saturn's rings.
Re: [Vo]:eCat Portfolio
the position of Nassim Nicholas Taleb is that history is written (not rewritten) by the losers, the academics, because they own the books of history. This is why in most official history the role of theory is very overstated, that the initial discoverers who observed anomalies without the least theory, and who were ignored by establishment, is forgotten, hidden. This is why you see strangely that discovery and theory, or at least academic discovery is most often the beginning of the story. Taleb started in that article to state his vision http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/Triana-fwd.pdf but in Antifragile he develop that with reference to many invention like jet reactor... I bet that in my daughter history books, FP will be treated as lucky crackpotist, and cold fusion will be rediscovered in 2015 seriously by MIT, helped by Caltech and Harwell, who will courageously walk over the terrible job of a crazy community of crackpot fans, where Jed is a leading priest, holding a library of esoteric pseudo-science, with mentally disordered white haired clown infiltrating Navy, corps, international energy departments, nuclear industry department. this is what history tells for any serious historian. validated by Wikipravda. Our job in the next decade will be to maintain the fact that there was clear evidence of cold fusion since 1992, and that there is NO SURPRISING EVIDENCE, as all is proven since long... The tricks of the deniers will be to make the mom and pop believe that now there is new evidence that at last allow us to accept cold fusion as real. I all we all will tell on the media that E-cat is just an industrial application of a well known and scientifically validated phenomenon, which was confirmed in the 1991-1992 period according to the scientific method, and never seriously challenged scientifically. That all the rest is a myth, a psychiatry of science, that is a challenge to human science. We have to prevent the history to be rewritten and the criminals to be freed of their crime. I propose that it is our mission as citizen for the next decade. Those who are also scientists or businessmen have additional mission to make it work and implement the revolution, but as citizen, like member of a jury, our job is to implement justice, to deter the next lane of deniers. OFF WITH THEIR HEAD! 2014-06-03 4:37 GMT+02:00 Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net: Kevin sez: ... The difference between a visionary and a crackpot is that the visionary turns out to be right... History is always revised by the victor. All good points, Kevin. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com
Re: [Vo]:eCat Portfolio
One basic of Taleb philosophy is that knowing what will be good or bad, innovation or crackpots, is often not possible. Another is that if you have skin in the game, will pay your faults, you will instinctively better use the information you have. this is one basic idea to prefer entrepreneurs to boards of experts, when things can be very good or very bad. anyway there are subject where even the most motivated guy have no way to know if it will work. no planning can help, no board of expert. 2014-06-03 13:46 GMT+02:00 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com: On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 10:18 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: The difference between a visionary and a crackpot is that the visionary turns out to be right... Given, otherwise, he would simply be another crackpot.
Re: [Vo]:A tipping point?
I have no data on LENR in Indonesia, but is someone is serious about there, my dear lobbyist have a network bigger than my company intranet. However to start we need some public recognition, and then a process that respect local culture... ;-) They planned some fission reactor, but population was not so convinced... and with their earthquake, hurricane,, eruption, corruption, frequency... I'm not even sure waterfall is really safe there. 2014-06-03 20:49 GMT+02:00 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net: *From:* Roarty, Francis X Jones, even if you just coined the term Hydrogen Valley it has the ring of inevitability too it and we are probably witnessing it’s birth. I would not be surprised if the breakthrough occurs in a rogue state or 3rd world nation I agree. China is probably the best bet for Hydrogen Valley now due to the IH connection, but behind them is Indonesia, which is one of the largest producers of nickel. They would be my bet unless it is China, but Sweden or Italy are also possibilities. Indonesia has great need and little oil - with a population of 250,000,000, a few billionaires, a national work ethic and most importantly - “Singapore envy.” They can see what can be done by their neighbor with the proper blend of socialist controlled capitalism. The main problem is recruiting top scientists to a country where Islamic extremism could be a problem. Sweden could pull off “Hydrogen Valley” - however. After all, assuming this TIP report is positive, Sweden definitely will have a leg-up on the competition including an infrastructure for fuel cells. http://www.scandinavianhydrogen.org/ Jones *“Singapore has been touted as the Asian model student of free-market capitalism, with a generous free-trade policy and welcoming attitude towards multinational companies. Yet in most other ways it is a socialist country. Whatever it is – it works for maximizing prosperity.* *All land is owned by the government, 85% of housing is supplied by the government-owned housing corporation, and a staggering 22% of GDP is produced by state-owned enterprises.”*
Re: [Vo]:eCat Portfolio
One point where you probably agree is that many blackswan were in fact ignored voluntarily, like cold fusion is. From the point of view of mainstream many things were unpredictable, yet some like Roubini predicted them in detail.* I din not read the blackswan, but antifragile. and this author is sometime very violent, exagerating, but it mirror the consensus around which is to be broken... Cold fusion shows that we can have evidence in front of our nose, in the expected scientific format that we requires fiercely, but we ignore them. be sure all the people will consider cold fusion as a black swan event, while it is predictable in principle since 1990, and more or less planned since 2010. 2014-06-03 21:58 GMT+02:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: One basic of Taleb philosophy is that knowing what will be good or bad, innovation or crackpots, is often not possible. I was not impressed by Taleb's book The Black Swan. I disagreed with most of the examples of things that he claimed were not anticipated by experts. I think these things were anticipated. In some cases, I myself anticipated them. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Solar Panels Drain the Suns Energy Experts Say
I've read desperate environmentalist calls about Oxygen that was disaprearing on earth... on the other side people saying that we will soon lack of water (despite it is the most recyclable good on earth), or of metals, of uranium, seems to have convinced UNO and media... Looking what the LENR deniers have supported, and continue to believe, you realise that they are not far from the level of delirium seen on solar apocalypse article... when you have so huge authorities that support what I judge as absolute stupidity, I start to doubt sincerely whether I missed a point or simply they exaggerated and missed key details... for example on water shortage, it is clear that water shortage is in fact just energy shortage, and crops choice. as a Desert guys in mauritania told me, if you know the desert you will always find water for yourself, but not for your cattle. Only if you assume that poor people stay poor, does water stay a problem... it is a valid hypothesis if you to all you can to protect them from technological progress, and energy sources. stupidity of conspiracy, it is hard to separate. 2014-05-28 18:18 GMT+02:00 Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.com: I get you. On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Such satire is dangerous and often counter productive. People who are not trained in right thinking will believe what they want and need to believe no matter what facts or logic demand. For example, at one point 47 percent of Americans believed that Obama was born in Kenya. On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.com wrote: It's obviously well done and reflective of Poe's Law. Regardless, I don't feel stupid for being taken in by a good satire, or feel the need to defend myself for being naïve for a 15-minute span of time before figuring it out. On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law *Poe's law*, named after its author Nathan Poe, is an Internet adagehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adagereflecting the idea that without a clear indication of the author's intent, it is difficult or impossible to tell the difference between an expression of sincere extremism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremism and a parody of extremism On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.comwrote: Axil, while this article is hilarious and is on par with much of the nonsense that comes out of politicized factions such as the neo-conservatives, I think this is a satirical article on a satirical site. At least I hope so. If it is a satirical site, which I think it is, it's really nice work actually. On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.comwrote: “Solar panels destroying the sun could potentially be the worst man-made climate disaster in the history of the world, and Halliburton will not be taking part in that,” the company stated in a press release issued Friday morning. “It’s obvious, based on the findings of this neutral scientific research group, that humans needs to become more dependent on fossil fuels like oil and coal, not less. Because these so-called `green technologies’ are far more dangerous to the Earth than any hydrofracking operation or deep-water drilling station. What good is clean air when our very sun is no longer functional?” - See more at: http://nationalreport.net/solar-panels-drain-suns-energy-experts-say; This is a sure indicator of the type and brain dead propaganda that LENR+ will be subjected to from Halliburton and the other big players in the oil and gas industry. It is hard to imagine what these people will invent to discredit LENR+. The anti-science religious right is fertile ground onto which this sort of idiot food will be planted, It will be truly terrible to suffer through and impossible to counter... it being bereft of any logic or substance. On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.comwrote: Dave, you don't seem to understand that they are America's #1 Independent News Team. Even Halliburton thinks so. What possible motive could they have to mislead us? On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:37 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: And someone paid for this discovery? This ranks up there with some of the most ignorant things I have heard during my lifetime. Dave -Original Message- From: Steve High diamondweb...@gmail.com To: Vortex vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, May 28, 2014 10:25 am Subject: [Vo]:Solar Panels Drain the Suns Energy Experts Say As if things weren't bad enough we now learn that solar energy is dimming the lights. http://nationalreport.net/solar-panels-drain-suns-energy-experts-say/ Commence Debunking in 3...2...1... I know, I know. Wyoming is a beautiful high desert state but not a lot happening at the Wyoming Institute of Technology. I checked their website-no sir not a lot happening. Still
Re: [Vo]:Solar Panels Drain the Suns Energy Experts Say
there is a big problem when you both to have to be careful of what you best friend find in tabloid to make you panic on chemtrails conspiracy, as much as what UNO find in Nature to launch a new save the planet charity about plane trails impact on bees population. 2014-05-28 22:15 GMT+02:00 David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com: At least I got a lot of laughing from that satire. Of course I knew it was insane to believe that any effect originating on the tiny earth could influence the enormous sun, but unfortunately I have heard much nonsense from certain scientists and considered that they might actually be capable of coming to such a conclusion. I will apologize for my low opinion of these folks if they will step forward and identify themselves. So far there are no takers. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, May 28, 2014 11:37 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:Solar Panels Drain the Suns Energy Experts Say I was shocked to learn that my favorite news ( entertainment) channel was not exactly reporting the facts… …no, no … not that one. This one: http://www.theonion.com/articles/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-whe re-this,36131/ From: Foks0904 We Americans don't get a lot of things actually. Inability to recognize satire is the least of our issues really. Nigel Dyer wrote: It’s a satirical site.The irony is that many Americans don't get satire and irony. Nigel
[Vo]:A Stupidity‐Based Theory of Organizations
After Finance and some other scientific subject, Cold fusion finished to persuade me of the importance of Groupthink and similar Cognitive Dysfunction in organization and groups (like Benabou work http://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers/Groupthink%20IOM%202012_07_02%20BW.pdf). This paper's abstract seems to cover that subject http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/enhanced/doi/10./j.1467-6486.2012.01072.x/ Too bad i can only read the abstract In this paper we question the one‐sided thesis that contemporary organizations rely on the mobilization of cognitive capacities. We suggest that severe restrictions on these capacities in the form of what we call functional stupidity are an equally important if under‐recognized part of organizational life. Functional stupidity refers to an absence of reflexivity, a refusal to use intellectual capacities in other than myopic ways, and avoidance of justifications*.* We argue that functional stupidity is prevalent in contexts dominated by economy in persuasion which emphasizes image and symbolic manipulation. This gives rise to forms of stupidity management that repress or marginalize doubt and block communicative action. In turn, this structures individuals' internal conversations in ways that emphasize positive and coherent narratives and marginalize more negative or ambiguous ones. This can have productive outcomes such as providing a degree of certainty for individuals and organizations. But it can have corrosive consequences such as creating a sense of dissonance among individuals and the organization as a whole. The positive consequences can give rise to self‐reinforcing stupidity. The negative consequences can spark dialogue, which may undermine functional stupidity. I have a gut feeling it applies well to Cold Fusion saga. to be checked.
[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:A Stupidity‐Based Theory of Organizations
I have found a review http://eight2late.wordpress.com/2013/05/07/a-stupidity-based-theory-of-organisations-a-paper-review/ an article http://www.hcamag.com/the-lighter-side/a-stupiditybased-theory-of-organisations-177391.aspx and slides from the author http://www.lth.se/fileadmin/indek2013/program/Alvesson_functional_stupidity_scaIEM.pdf my corporate culture is absolutely synchronous with what is said, like on Groupthink. About Kuhn paradigm change resistance, it is not applicable to our domain, except maybe for finance and economics, but I won't name that science. ;-) it looks pure bashing, but it is important to understand that when the opinion of your peers is more important than the reality, then stupidity rules, and is productive. that is also the condition for groupthink... I think that with planetary groupthink, multinational network of stupid-ruled corporations, understanding groupthink dynamics, functional stupidity is important... In France we have a reference book called les decisions absurdes (no need to translate)... No relation with latest Swedish radio broadcast, as if there was a campaign to prevent people to believe in anticipated evidences (Coyaud, Gary wright, Giancarlo, and few blogs are waking up). Hopefully some Greeks and Armenian gave hope to them (pfff...) . 2014-05-27 14:54 GMT+02:00 Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com: After Finance and some other scientific subject, Cold fusion finished to persuade me of the importance of Groupthink and similar Cognitive Dysfunction in organization and groups (like Benabou work http://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers/Groupthink%20IOM%202012_07_02%20BW.pdf). This paper's abstract seems to cover that subject http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/enhanced/doi/10./j.1467-6486.2012.01072.x/
Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion
If Luca is telling the truth, in breaking the NDA, after a 9month delay calling for explanations, and finally whitleblowing, any honest company would not be afraid to work with him, and would be proud to show his name to clients : - we have an honest whitleblower in out team. this man had bollocks. He will protect you from us. If Luca is lying... It is another planet. Lying or fooled, Luca or DGT, ... a good report by a third party, respecting basic boiler test method as Jed shows, would do the job and make the final judgement... Unlike early Rossi's test, where there was loose job, here there is something not so loose. If DGT is right, it have to make a really 3rd party test, a good one, simple and rough, with key details fixed. This affair is hurting because some people, whatever is the result, have been fooled, or are fooling others, and I know some of them. That is (bad) business risk, and that is why there is justice, laws, and judges. I wait for the test result, or the confessions... for now, I will put my home in the Swedish E-cat test result, hoping they respect boiler standard. 2014-05-21 5:15 GMT+02:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a suitcase on Broadway.
Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion
Dear Axil, first what is shown is not benign, but this does not say DGT is criminal from its inception. Desperate people do stupid things; Paranoid people do stupid things. The second is however that if it was a mistake, or even a temporary failure during a demo, and even if the demo was indeed tweaked as Luca describe, Defkalion had 9 month, in private or in public, to reassure Luca himself, and why not us. In the case, the case I judge as sign of huge lack of wisdom, that despite not answering to luca, Defkalion anyway have a working reactor in it's lab, it should let Luca test it (even if only calorimetry is allowed, only but all calorimetry method), or if they don't trust him, let a third party make a boiler test and inform Luca. I'm conscious that in that affair many millions have been burned, and more of Xanthoulis money than of Gamberaleal , so I don't estimate that it was a void scam story... however something irrational, desperate, paranoid, have happened... whether it was wishful thinking, self-delusion, conspiracy theories, it is no more our business. question is if it works or not. A boiler test made by a non physicist team (why not electricians and plumbers, experience in testing), would give a solid answer and no risk of IP leak. By the way I feel it is absurd to ask physicist to do calorimetry ... it is a job of plumbers, electricians, their engineer counter parts, petrochemist, boiler testers, or at worst of industry chemist. Physicist (true for nuclear physicists, less for others), as Beaudette explained, are incompetent in calorimetry, and are only good to find the theory, not to challenge the experimental results. 2014-05-21 8:54 GMT+02:00 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com: I have respected Jed to the highest degree in these recent discussions, and I have tried to understand how DGT can be a criminal organization as a cold fusion developer as Jed is asserting. I can not understand how a cold fusion developer can be criminal. I also have assured my opinion that Gamberale cannot be trusted. I understand that Gamberale is more a Judas than a whittle blower. It is tragic that most people will not give the developers of a prototype Cold fusion system the benefit of the doubt when errors occur or lack of expertize is shown in demos. Remember, Rossi has been accused of fraud often while he was learning the Ni/H ropes and the proper ways of demonstrating it. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:31 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: I don't have any confidence that you'll listen to me. So I'm on the record as to where you went off the edge. Someone else on the list had the responsibility of being your fence, of warning you that you were close to the edge. I was too busy. Maybe the next time you play close to the edge you'll be more attentive to your surroundings. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: To help me in avoiding the edge, please identify the edge and explain how I am going over it. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: People like you who go over the edge can't see what they're doing wrong. When you come back from the edge, if you don't apologize to those whom you've besmirched, like Jed, then you won't be trusted for anything other than taking out the garbage. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:02 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: I don't know about Axil, but I am talking about things I know and try to understand. Why should I stop? I am not doing anything wrong. 2014-05-21 2:50 GMT-03:00 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com: Lately, you and Axil have gone off the edge. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion
I thanks Shell to have funded CNAM for a test in France. for Amoco to have let a skunkwork team test in their garage for ENI/SAIPEM to have sent staff to E-cat conferences, to ILENRS12... You know, Areva will do off-shore wind turbine. modern corps don't oppose revolution, they capture it. I am more afraid of néo-Malthusians and néo-luddites. 2014-05-21 16:58 GMT+02:00 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com: Perhaps the oil lobby was not so intense there and they had only to deal with nuclear authorities? 2014-05-21 11:53 GMT-03:00 Steve High diamondweb...@gmail.com: IIRC, a while back somebody proposed that the reason Defkalion wanted to go on the Canadian stock market was that there was less supervision in Canada regarding potentially fraudulent stock market offerings than under the American SEC. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Cyril Smith Paper may have relevance to LENR
recent data on kids, shows that the consumption of antibiotic while young kid is doubling asthman and alergy... more generally the hygiena hypothesis seems validated since long and denied by mainstream because of inconvenient conclusion that don't please the whistleblowers that have their prefered scapegoat. 2014-05-21 18:57 GMT+02:00 ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com: 50 million in US with autoimmune diseases and growing. We are cooked (by microwaves) On Wednesday, May 21, 2014, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: -Original Message- From: Nigel Dyer And not just LENR. I am currently looking at how this may occur in the copper that is associated with DNA/DNA/RNA triple helixes Cyril Smith says: If we wish to use Larmor precessions as charge pumps, but without external microwaves maintaining the FMR resonance, we need another method for cohering the precessions. There is an argument that, in a ferromagnetic conductor, phase-locking of the individual lattice precessions can be achieved by spin-spin coupling to and from conduction electrons ... Nigel - Why not iron, instead of copper? Out of curiosity, I did a brief googling to see if DNA has an associated RF resonance. This turned up: Biophysicists have demonstrated that DNA... resonantly absorbs electromagnetic energy in the microwave range of the frequency spectrum... They have found in their experiments that microwaves in the 300 MHz to 3 GHz range can be thermally absorbed by causing a dipolar molecule, such as water to oscillate in a frictional media, thereby dissipating the energy in the form of heat... ... which seems a bit high for Larmor precession and seems to be a relic of water, not DNA, but it is one more reason why cell phones are not recommended for constant use by teenagers (since the range overlaps)
Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: Interview with the CEO of Defkalion
as far as I understand from Luca says the secret button is tuning 2 water tap. Probably it is ensuring slow flow of water in and some backpressure. It remind me when I open a tap in my house and at a point it is moaning, and in some house, some tap may make the house moan like a big cow. 2014-05-20 19:21 GMT+02:00 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com: One more thing to add. Why isn't the behavior of Argon different from what was seen during both demos? So, is Defkalion hidding a secret button, like Krivit thinks Rossi did during Mats Lewan's test? 2014-05-20 14:07 GMT-03:00 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com: He didn't consider that the exhaust direction would have a higher differential of pressure and would be the ideal direction to go. The bubbling could just be a momentary effect, and he just showed a picture instead of a longer graph (notice that the fist one is set to 250ms and the in the second, the time frame, the regular, the time frame is *BLANKED*, but probably also in the ms) . Also, he counted the water in the bucket, he didn't show any pictures of it, before or after and took no video of it. He didn't show pictures or a proof that he loaded Argon. If he wanted to falsify the experiment, he should try hard. What I see here is just redherring, anedoctal evidence. So, this report is a piece of shit. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%
I've made a short analysis of that announce, and the connections with LENr-cities/LENR-Cars http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/338-LENR-Invest-Fund-I-LLC-raises-205-000-in-May/ I don't have confirmation, but connecting some wire I have an idea of what is the money for. Not a huge project... but something (if I'm right) that will make some skeptics furious and the LENR community happy. Angel are landing. This kind of money is not industrial investment but entry cash for inception. As I've heard the problem with industrial is that they are OK to invest few million in a finished prototype, but not 100k in research. It is a hard work to get 100k. 2014-05-16 23:04 GMT+02:00 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com: Here's an example of some early-adopter money starting to move into this space. The problem is, it's not available to just anyone, and in particular, they already closed it off for this fund. http://form-d.findthebest.com/l/162985/Lenr-Invest-Fund-I-LLC Lenr-Invest Fund I, LLC, which is in the Pooled Investment Fund business, filed a new Form D on May 13, 2014. Offering Details - The total reported offering size was $205,000. - Of this amount, Lenr-Invest Fund I, LLC sold $205,000 or (100% of the offering), with the first sale occuring on May 01, 2014. - The minimum investment for this offering was set at $15,000. Analysis of Offering - On average, companies in this industry sell 34.75% of the total offering size. $0 was reported remaining. - The average floor on investment size for companies in the Pooled Investment Fund industry is $100,000. - The method of investment was Equity. Registration Exemptions - The company reported the following exemptions: Rule 506(b). *Rule 506(b):* A federal and state registration exmeption provided under Regulation D. Allows the issuer to raise unlimited funds with no limitations on the number of accredited investos and up to 35 non-accredited investors. The issuer is not allowed to publicly solicit the offering. For more information on Rule 506 see Key Regulation D Rules. On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 6:12 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Any steam engine stocks? I think that this is a good question and especially because many who support LENR would probably plow back any profits made from the Rossi announcement into RD. Rossi is the tip of the massive iceberg – capable of sinking the Titanic OPEC (or at least turning her back to port) but since AR admits to not understanding what is going on –this is a wide open field, needing only RD dollars and smart experienced researchers to explore all the angles.
Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%
From many experts in engine I've heard that stirling engine are not a realistic solution... They are popular but don't works well on the field. (hearsay) Only application seems to be small 1kWmech electric production in CHP. this may be very usefull anyway for home CHP. I've heard better about rankine engine (not turbine) and some variation of the stirling where valves are added, the ericsson engine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ericsson_cycle Some expert told me that we should not in fact focus on todays technology as today turbine and engine are small market, and that if thermal engine are produced with the same technology and volume as car engine, it may cost 700$... 2014-05-15 9:35 GMT+02:00 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com: Blaze: If Rossi turned out to be real, then what do you think would happen to Stirling Cycle Engine technology? In particular, a company like CYPW would skyrocket, right? On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Decreasing probability to 46% based on lack of news from Nanor but up to 47% based on recent news from Darden in China: http://www.icebank.cn/news/detail_2.php?id=118 hat tip: http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/05/09/tom-darden-involved-in-opening-of-nickel-hydrogen-energy-research-center-in-tianjin-china/ Note: I suspect there will be an up to (-30%, +15%) swing in probability when the june report comes out. Big news indeed. On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Increasing the probability to 47% on the basis on Nanor / MIT videos. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Put that back to 43%: Mr. Darden earned an MRP in environmental planning from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill,* a JD from Yale Law School* and a BA from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, where he was a Morehead Scholar. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Correction, make that 41%. It's not Cherokee but rather Tom Darden (investor, co founder of Cherokee) and Mr. Vaughn (senior analyst at Cherokee, BA Economics) who are the players here. It'd be good to find out who those other investors are. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Increasing the probability to 44% on the basis of Cherokee PR release. Big big BIG news. Now this is no longer about Rossi, but about Cherokee. I know you guys think I'm a git for my doubt, but hey, my model is wy ahead of the curve than the vast majority of the investing universe. XOM is still trading near historical highs, for example. On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Increasing the probability back to 35% based on the latest news coming out of BLP and McKubre. Hopefully we'll see some more encouraging things soon. The next indie report on the ecat should be an interesting inflection report. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 7:52 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Fulvio , the tech Director R.D. at Leonardo Corporation MIAMI - FL - USA previous job was: Frelance Consultanthttp://www.linkedin.com/search?search=title=Frelance+ConsultantsortCriteria=RkeepFacets=truecurrentTitle=CPtrk=prof-exp-title European Gaming and Gambling Tech Markethttp://www.linkedin.com/search?search=company=European+Gaming+and+Gambling+Tech+MarketsortCriteria=RkeepFacets=truetrk=prof-exp-company-name -4% Now back to 31%. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:21 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: This is based on - STMicro patent (Increased about 4.5%) - Cherokee Investments (Increased about 2.5%) - Rossi stating third party reports in March (increased 2%) - Lack of news from Defkalion (-1%) News seems to be coming in fairly rapidly at this point. Could be updating this probability more frequently.
