On 30 Jan 2013, at 09:40, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/29/2013 7:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 27 Jan 2013, at 19:53, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Bruno,
You sill say interesting things even in a thread that has fallen
deep in the boring hole of Reductio at Hitlerum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R
2013/1/30 meekerdb
> On 1/29/2013 7:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 27 Jan 2013, at 19:53, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
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>> Bruno,
>>> You sill say interesting things even in a thread that has fallen deep
>>> in the boring hole of Reductio at Hitlerum
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/*
On 1/29/2013 7:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 27 Jan 2013, at 19:53, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Bruno,
You sill say interesting things even in a thread that has fallen deep in the boring
hole of Reductio at Hitlerum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum
Well ... Thanks :)
Ac
everything, without faith
you have nothing.
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f self-proclaimed rati
On 27 Jan 2013, at 12:28, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi meekerdb
Germany has always been antisemitic, Hitler just organized the killing
jews, who unfortunately were also socialists/communists
but anyway, Luther's writings were done somewhat
obscurely in the 16th century.
Luther was not alone.
Hi meekerdb
The killing of anybody is wrong.
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On 1/27/2013 3:28 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi meekerdb
Germany has always been
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On 1/26/2013 3:25 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
1. Luther hated jews, but he had nothing to do with爐he extermination of the
jews.
He didn't directly kill any, he just motivated the killing.� But then the
same is
true
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> I though that, this was not a site for enhancing the self爀ste
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 Roger Clough wrote:
> Germany has always been antisemitic
>
Thanks to that pioneering antisemitic crusader, Martin Luther.
> Hitler just organized the killing jews,
And the writings of Luther and Hitler on the Jews are almost
indistinguishable, if you didn't know you'd b
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> Brent:
> you do beware of the "leader" - "follower" position. If a leader actively
> also empowers the follower then (s)he may be responsible for anything that
> happens in such empower
On Sunday, January 27, 2013 5:58:15 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
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> Hi John Mikes
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> Luther did not motivate anybody to kill jews.
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Why would you think that could possibly be true?
If the head of Coca-Cola began a weekly TV program about how your house
should be burned down, and th
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On 1/26/2013 3:25 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
1. Luther hated jews, but he had nothing to do with?he extermination of the
jews.
He didn't directly kill any, he just motivated the killing.? But then th
Hi John Mikes
Luther did not motivate anybody to kill jews.
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Brent:
you do beware of the "leader" - "follower" p
On Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:24:49 PM UTC-5, JohnM wrote:
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> Brent:
> you do beware of the "leader" - "follower" position. If a leader actively
> also empowers the follower then (s)he may be responsible for anything that
> happens in such empoweredness. Luther conscience-wise, Hitler
> mat
Brent:
you do beware of the "leader" - "follower" position. If a leader actively
also empowers the follower then (s)he may be responsible for anything that
happens in such empoweredness. Luther conscience-wise, Hitler
materially/organizationally empowered the followers. The 'leader' of the
KKK, or
On 1/26/2013 3:25 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
1. Luther hated jews, but he had nothing to do with the extermination of the
jews.
He didn't directly kill any, he just motivated the killing. But then the same is true of
Hitler.
Brent
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On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 Roger Clough wrote:
> 1. Luther hated jews, but he had nothing to do with the extermination of
> the jews.
>
By his own words Luther advocated stupidity, and now you admit he was a
hate filled racist demagog; so the man was stupid and the man was evil. So
I repeat my earlie
On Saturday, January 26, 2013 6:25:40 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
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> Hi meekerdb
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> 1. Luther hated jews, but he had nothing to do with the extermination of
> the jews.
>
"In 1543 Luther published *On the Jews and Their Lies* in which he says
that the Jews are a "base, whoring people, that i
Hi Bruno Marchal
Theology (beliefs) is objective and rational, but religiouis experience (faith)
is subjective.
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On 24 Jan 2013
Hi meekerdb
1. Luther hated jews, but he had nothing to do with the extermination of the
jews.
2. You have to have faith in God, not somethning else.
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Dear Bruno,
I can not agree with you. neither with anyone that contemplate a
minimalistic extract of the ideas of the past from the point of view and
the knowledge (and ignorance) of the present. Natural theology and the
conquest of nature has been ever a part of Christianity not because that
was
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 meekerdb wrote:
> With faith you have any belief you want.
>
> Brent
> ³We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have
> therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not
> merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have
On 1/25/2013 4:14 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi John Clark,
Other than Luther's ancient views on astronomy, and only with regard to
salvation or damnation, as a modern Lutheran I agree with everything Luther
said,
although I might temper down his invective, which was intended for the Pope.
In that
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 Roger Clough wrote:
> the ancient jews in the BC era knew nothing
>
Not far from the truth.
> of the ancient myths,
>
If they knew anything at all it was useless crap like that.
> “There is little notice of the Persian god [Mithra] in the Roman world
> until the beginnin
On 24 Jan 2013, at 17:33, Richard Ruquist wrote:
This is exactly what happened to Islam in the 1300s.
After the fundamentalists took over, rationality was dispensed with,
and centuries of scientific progress were deemed sufficient for Islam
for all time. And so it seems that Islam went from wor
On Friday, January 25, 2013 1:59:53 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
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> Hi John Clark
>
> That's all made-up stuff put on the web by people such as you.
>
Not by the worldwide liberal conspiracy?
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On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 Roger Clough wrote:
> the Bible provided western man with a completely new, revolutionary view
> of existence
>
New?! The Bible is just a rehash of other Bronze age myths that it
plagiarized from older religions.
The Persian God Mithra, popular in 600 BC, was the son of the
Hi John Clark
No, I let science be science and religion be religion.
Different languages, different meanings. You're confusing the two.
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On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 Roger Clough wrote:
> Other than Luther's ancient views on astronomy,
>
How about Luther's views on geology? How about his view that the Earth was
less than six thousand years old, do you agree with that?
> as a modern Lutheran
Which apparently is nearly identical to a
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On 1/24/2013 9:12 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
All these things are part of the myths of modernity. The reality is quite
different. The idea that the medievals though that the earth was flat is
larguely a
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On 1/24/2013 8:33 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
This is exactly what happened to Islam in the 1300s.
After the fundamentalists took over, rationality was disp
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>> On 1/24/2013 9:41 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
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>>> In fact it is
Hi Alberto G. Corona
Luther wasn't a rationalist, and so contributed nothing to modern science.
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2013/1/24 John Clark
I sincerely hope that nobody bel
Brent:
I hold you in a much higher standard than being a participant in such
tongue-lashing about topics absolutely not fitting the Everything List
and its goals.
Could we save (use?) this list for reasonable scientific discussion? \
Does anybody have a 'fitting' topic we could discuss?
For many we
On 1/24/2013 10:46 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
2013/1/24 meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>>
On 1/24/2013 10:12 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
In the same way, except a few in a concrete time in the greek history, the
Greeks
believed that the earth was flat, with the center in
On 1/24/2013 10:46 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
The Stalinist and Maoists were hardly 'scientific', they just weren't
theists. For
example, they rejected Darwin just like Baptists do.
They were as scientific as your global warmist friends.
Really? Where are their peer-reviewed pape
On 1/24/2013 10:12 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
In the same way, except a few in a concrete time in the greek history, the Greeks
believed that the earth was flat, with the center in Greece. The world okeanos, (ocean)
was a river, that surrounded the earth, where greece was at the center.
The
2013/1/24 meekerdb
> On 1/24/2013 9:41 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
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>> In fact it is just the opposite: the position of Luther, like the one of
>> Ocham or Duns Scoto, which were strongly anti-reason, created the modern
>> science and were precursors of the most radical forms of Positivism.
>
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:13:18 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
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> On 1/24/2013 9:41 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
> > In fact it is just the opposite: the position of Luther, like the one
> of Ocham or Duns
> > Scoto, which were strongly anti-reason, created the modern science and
> were prec
On 1/24/2013 9:41 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
In fact it is just the opposite: the position of Luther, like the one of Ocham or Duns
Scoto, which were strongly anti-reason, created the modern science and were precursors
of the most radical forms of Positivism.
They were anti-rationlism, the
In the same way, except a few in a concrete time in the greek history, the
Greeks believed that the earth was flat, with the center in Greece. The
world okeanos, (ocean) was a river, that surrounded the earth, where greece
was at the center.
The XII century, the time of Juachim de Fiore, and the t
On 1/24/2013 9:12 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
All these things are part of the myths of modernity. The reality is quite different. The
idea that the medievals though that the earth was flat is larguely a myth,
"As to the fable that there are Antipodes, that is to say,
men on the opposite sid
In fact it is just the opposite: the position of Luther, like the one of
Ocham or Duns Scoto, which were strongly anti-reason, created the modern
science and were precursors of the most radical forms of Positivism.
Why? It is simple to understand: The three of them were against the use of
reason
All these things are part of the myths of modernity. The reality is quite
different. The idea that the medievals though that the earth was flat is
larguely a myth, as true as the fact that now a fair amount of the people
in the world believe that Man has not been in the Moon. Inquisition, for
examp
On 1/24/2013 8:33 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
This is exactly what happened to Islam in the 1300s.
After the fundamentalists took over, rationality was dispensed with,
and centuries of scientific progress were deemed sufficient for Islam
for all time. And so it seems that Islam went from world lea
This is exactly what happened to Islam in the 1300s.
After the fundamentalists took over, rationality was dispensed with,
and centuries of scientific progress were deemed sufficient for Islam
for all time. And so it seems that Islam went from world leadership in
science to where it is today.
Fortu
On 1/24/2013 7:32 AM, John Clark wrote:
I sincerely hope that nobody believes I'm picking on Catholics because Protestant
"thinking" is every bit as brain dead dumb as the Pope's. Martin Luther knew perfectly
well that religious ideas cannot survive the slightest amount of rational analysis
wit
I though that, this was not a site for enhancing the self esteem of
self-proclaimed rationalists neither an insult-you-an-infidel theraphy
group.
2013/1/24 John Clark
> I sincerely hope that nobody believes I'm picking on Catholics because
> Protestant "thinking" is every bit as brain dead dumb
I sincerely hope that nobody believes I'm picking on Catholics because
Protestant "thinking" is every bit as brain dead dumb as the Pope's. Martin
Luther knew perfectly well that religious ideas cannot survive the
slightest amount of rational analysis without completely falling apart, but
his solut
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