Science is a religion by itself.

The unity of geometry and physics. =.. My questions are: Can 'dirac's virtual particles' have geometrical form of circle? Can we use Euler equation to this circle- particle ? Which physical laws can we use to this circle- particle ? How can be tied Euler equation, physical laws and circle- parti

Brain teaser

Hi, What is the difference between a random sequence of bits and a meaningful message? The correct decryption scheme. -- Onward! Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receivi

Re: Cats fall for illusions too

On 3/7/2013 11:53 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: That's interesting to me too. Actually I'm surprised you are not more embracing of Bruno's ideas because they give life to the idea of conscious software. Hi, Oh, I do firmly believe that our minds are "conscious software"! I am trying to figure

Re: Cats fall for illusions too

That's interesting to me too. Actually I'm surprised you are not more embracing of Bruno's ideas because they give life to the idea of conscious software. You seem to me to be reluctant to give up materialism, but philosophically speaking I think materialism dooms AI. On the more theoretical side

Re: Cats fall for illusions too

On 3/7/2013 11:37 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: Ah. That's above my pay grade unfortunately. But I don't think our immediate failure to solve that problem dooms the idea that a cat's experience of the world is explainable in terms of mechanism. Conversely, even if we did solve it, there would still

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: > On 3/7/2013 4:15 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On 08/03/2013, at 2:58 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > >> I must disagree. It is baked into the topology of classical mechanics >> that a system cannot semantically act upon itself. T

Re: Cats fall for illusions too

Ah. That's above my pay grade unfortunately. But I don't think our immediate failure to solve that problem dooms the idea that a cat's experience of the world is explainable in terms of mechanism. Conversely, even if we did solve it, there would still be doubts. For the time being, comp remains for

Re: Thin Client

On 3/7/2013 6:40 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 7, 2013 8:58:29 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 3/7/2013 4:57 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 7, 2013 7:33:46 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 3/7/2013 3:01 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March

Re: Cats fall for illusions too

On 3/7/2013 10:40 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: I'm game. Which puzzle are we figuring out? A solution to Bruno's 'arithmetic body problem'. On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:21 PM, Stephen P. King mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> wrote: On 3/7/2013 9:14 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: Right, we

For The Critics

Added this to my site if anyone is interested: *Common Criticisms of Multisense Realism* The most common issues that people have tend not to be with the content of my ideas themselves, but the way that I present them or argue them. From my perspective, it seems clear that they have no intention

Re: Cats fall for illusions too

I'm game. Which puzzle are we figuring out? On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:21 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: > On 3/7/2013 9:14 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: > > Right, we basically agree. At the low level where optics are being > processed, it seems to me to be more accurate to say the brain is creating > t

Re: Cats fall for illusions too

On 3/7/2013 9:14 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: Right, we basically agree. At the low level where optics are being processed, it seems to me to be more accurate to say the brain is creating the constructions. Another way to say it is that kittens and babies are probably born with the neural circuits

Re: Thin Client

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 8:58:29 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > On 3/7/2013 4:57 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Thursday, March 7, 2013 7:33:46 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> On 3/7/2013 3:01 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, March 7, 2013 5:45:14 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 9:05:14 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > On 3/7/2013 5:49 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Thursday, March 7, 2013 7:40:31 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> On 3/7/2013 3:05 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, March 7, 2013 5:55:02 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:

Re: Cats fall for illusions too

Right, we basically agree. At the low level where optics are being processed, it seems to me to be more accurate to say the brain is creating the constructions. Another way to say it is that kittens and babies are probably born with the neural circuits that implement those shortcuts - optimizations

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

On 3/7/2013 7:54 PM, meekerdb wrote: What I am exploring is a dual aspect theory that allows for minds to act on bodies and bodies to act on minds in a symmetric way. How is this any different than saying mind is what a brain does. They physical processes of the brain and the psychological

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

On 3/7/2013 5:49 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 7, 2013 7:40:31 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 3/7/2013 3:05 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 7, 2013 5:55:02 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 3/7/2013 2:49 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: To act on itsel

Re: Thin Client

On 3/7/2013 4:57 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 7, 2013 7:33:46 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 3/7/2013 3:01 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 7, 2013 5:45:14 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 3/7/2013 2:21 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/7/2013 12:04 P

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 7:40:31 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > On 3/7/2013 3:05 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Thursday, March 7, 2013 5:55:02 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> On 3/7/2013 2:49 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> To act on itself, as far as I can understand it, would mean to b

Re: Thin Client

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 7:33:46 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > On 3/7/2013 3:01 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Thursday, March 7, 2013 5:45:14 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> On 3/7/2013 2:21 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: >> >> On 3/7/2013 12:04 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> If you have

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

On 3/7/2013 3:24 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/7/2013 4:04 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 08/03/2013, at 2:43 AM, "Stephen P. King" wrote: Yes, we know that classical determinism is wrong, but it is not logically inconsistent with consciousness. I must disagree. It is baked into th

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

On 3/7/2013 3:05 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 7, 2013 5:55:02 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 3/7/2013 2:49 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: To act on itself, as far as I can understand it, would mean to be uncaused or truly random, which is indeed incompatible with d

Re: Thin Client

On 3/7/2013 7:33 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 3/7/2013 3:01 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 7, 2013 5:45:14 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 3/7/2013 2:21 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/7/2013 12:04 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: If you have ever worked with Terminal Servers, RDP, C

Re: Thin Client

On 3/7/2013 3:01 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 7, 2013 5:45:14 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 3/7/2013 2:21 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/7/2013 12:04 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: If you have ever worked with Terminal Servers, RDP, Citrix Metaframe, or the like (and

Re: Thin Client

On 3/7/2013 6:16 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Thu, Mar 07, 2013 at 02:54:59PM -0800, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 7, 2013 5:21:48 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Craig, Excellent post! You have nailed computational immaterialism where it really hurts. Computations ca

Re: Cats fall for illusions too

On 3/7/2013 6:09 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: The same way it explains it for humans. The cat is not sensing the world directly, but the constructions created by its brain. Hi Terren, I almost agree, I only add that it is not just the brain of the cat (or human or whatever) that is being sens

Re: Thin Client

On 3/7/2013 5:54 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 7, 2013 5:21:48 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 3/7/2013 12:04 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > If you have ever worked with Terminal Servers, RDP, Citrix Metaframe, > or the like (and that's what I have been doing

Re: Thin Client

On 3/7/2013 5:45 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 3/7/2013 2:21 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/7/2013 12:04 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: If you have ever worked with Terminal Servers, RDP, Citrix Metaframe, or the like (and that's what I have been doing professionally every day for the last 14 years), you

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

On 3/7/2013 5:37 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Alex Trebek: This tool can unclog a toilet. Watson: What is a plunger? Telmo Menezes: look Watson, I have a problem. My wife is mad at me and I don't know why. I suspect it's because I didn't buy her flowers for Valentine's, but she keeps telling me that

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

On 3/7/2013 4:15 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 08/03/2013, at 2:58 AM, Craig Weinberg > wrote: I must disagree. It is baked into the topology of classical mechanics that a system cannot semantically act upon itself. There is no way to define

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

On 3/7/2013 4:04 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 08/03/2013, at 2:43 AM, "Stephen P. King" wrote: Yes, we know that classical determinism is wrong, but it is not logically inconsistent with consciousness. I must disagree. It is baked into the topology of classical mechanics that a s

Re: Thin Client

On Thu, Mar 07, 2013 at 02:54:59PM -0800, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Thursday, March 7, 2013 5:21:48 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > > > Hi Craig, > > > > Excellent post! You have nailed computational immaterialism where > > it really hurts. Computations cannot see, per the Turi

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 5:37:55 PM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: > > > Alex Trebek: This tool can unclog a toilet. > > Watson: What is a plunger? > > Telmo Menezes: look Watson, I have a problem. My wife is mad at me and > I don't know why. I suspect it's because I didn't buy her flowers for

Re: Cats fall for illusions too

The same way it explains it for humans. The cat is not sensing the world directly, but the constructions created by its brain. Those constructions involve shortcuts of various kinds (e.g. edge detection) optimized for the kinds of environments that cats have thrived in, from an evolutionary standpo

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 5:55:02 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > On 3/7/2013 2:49 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > To act on itself, as far as I can understand it, would mean to be uncaused >> or truly random, which is indeed incompatible with determinism. But why >> should that have anything to d

Re: Thin Client

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 5:45:14 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > On 3/7/2013 2:21 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: > > On 3/7/2013 12:04 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > If you have ever worked with Terminal Servers, RDP, Citrix Metaframe, or > the like (and that's what I have been doing professionally

Re: Thin Client

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 5:21:48 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > On 3/7/2013 12:04 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > If you have ever worked with Terminal Servers, RDP, Citrix Metaframe, > > or the like (and that's what I have been doing professionally every > > day for the last 14 years)

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

On 3/7/2013 2:49 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: To act on itself, as far as I can understand it, would mean to be uncaused or truly random, which is indeed incompatible with determinism. But why should that have anything to do with "intentionality"? What is intention if not acting on,

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

On 3/7/2013 2:37 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Telmo Menezes: look Watson, I have a problem. My wife is mad at me and I don't know why. I suspect it's because I didn't buy her flowers for Valentine's, but she keeps telling me that she doesn't want them. Can you give me some advice? Also, how does it f

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 4:04:18 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: > > > > On 08/03/2013, at 2:43 AM, "Stephen P. King" > > > wrote: > > >> Yes, we know that classical determinism is wrong, but it is not > logically inconsistent with consciousness. > > > > I must disagree. It is baked into th

Re: Thin Client

On 3/7/2013 2:21 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/7/2013 12:04 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: If you have ever worked with Terminal Servers, RDP, Citrix Metaframe, or the like (and that's what I have been doing professionally every day for the last 14 years), you will understand the idea of a Thin Cl

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 4:15:21 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: > > > > On 08/03/2013, at 2:58 AM, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > > I must disagree. It is baked into the topology of classical mechanics >> that a system cannot semantically act upon itself. There is no way to >> define intentional

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

> Alex Trebek: This tool can unclog a toilet. > Watson: What is a plunger? Telmo Menezes: look Watson, I have a problem. My wife is mad at me and I don't know why. I suspect it's because I didn't buy her flowers for Valentine's, but she keeps telling me that she doesn't want them. Can you give me

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 4:16:40 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > >>> Everything simulated is physical ultimately, but the physical has no signs of being a simulation, >>> >>> >> Maybe, but I'm not sure what sort of sign you

Re: Thin Client

On 3/7/2013 12:04 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: If you have ever worked with Terminal Servers, RDP, Citrix Metaframe, or the like (and that's what I have been doing professionally every day for the last 14 years), you will understand the idea of a Thin Client architecture. Thin clients are as old a

Re: Cats fall for illusions too

On 3/7/2013 11:36 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: I have no doubt that Craig will somehow see this as a vindication of his theory and a refutation of mechanism. Terren On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Stephen P. King > wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

On Thu, Mar 07, 2013 at 01:54:25PM -0800, meekerdb wrote: > On 3/7/2013 1:50 PM, Russell Standish wrote: > >>I see what you mean, but some could argue that when you use a random > >>>device (like a coin) to make a decision, you abandon free will. > >>>Indeed you let a coin decide for you, when free

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

On 3/7/2013 1:50 PM, Russell Standish wrote: I see what you mean, but some could argue that when you use a random >device (like a coin) to make a decision, you abandon free will. >Indeed you let a coin decide for you, when free will meant more that >you are the one making the free decision. > Th

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 03:53:13PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 04 Mar 2013, at 20:16, meekerdb wrote: > > >On 3/4/2013 4:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> > >>On 03 Mar 2013, at 20:35, meekerdb wrote: > > > >Some randomness can be useful, if only to solve the problem of > >Buridan's ass. >

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >>> Everything simulated is physical ultimately, but the physical has no >>> signs of being a simulation, >>> >> >> >> Maybe, but I'm not sure what sort of sign you're talking about and >> some have said only half joking that Black Holes, part

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

On 08/03/2013, at 2:58 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> I must disagree. It is baked into the topology of classical mechanics >> that a system cannot semantically act upon itself. There is no way to define >> intentionality in classical physics. This is what Bruno proves with his >> argument

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

On 08/03/2013, at 2:43 AM, "Stephen P. King" wrote: >> Yes, we know that classical determinism is wrong, but it is not logically >> inconsistent with consciousness. > > I must disagree. It is baked into the topology of classical mechanics > that a system cannot semantically act upon itse

Re: Messages Aren't Made of Information

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 12:56:01 PM UTC-5, William R. Buckley wrote: > > > > The context takes all action, to include the action > > of doing nothing at all. > > > > Once the signal is given by the transmitter, then sure it is up to the > receiver of the signal to interpret it. How the t

RE: Messages Aren't Made of Information

The context takes all action, to include the action of doing nothing at all. Once the signal is given by the transmitter, then sure it is up to the receiver of the signal to interpret it. How the transmitter formats the signal will influence the receiver's reception and interpretation poss

Re: Messages Aren't Made of Information

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 12:37:35 PM UTC-5, William R. Buckley wrote: > > A machine can accept sign and yield alteration of > > its configuration (add to its parts, delete from its > > parts but most of all alter the complexity of its > > parts and their arrangement) such that the machine >

Re: Messages Aren't Made of Information

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 12:32:21 PM UTC-5, William R. Buckley wrote: > > The sign is what it is and contexts react to signs. > What is it though? This sentence... is it words? Letters? Pixels on a screen? Images in our visual experience? photons? All of these require detection and interpre

RE: Messages Aren't Made of Information

Right there, that is the problem: your reliance upon consciousness for your argumentation. wrb From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Craig Weinberg Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 9:34 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject:

RE: Messages Aren't Made of Information

A machine can accept sign and yield alteration of its configuration (add to its parts, delete from its parts but most of all alter the complexity of its parts and their arrangement) such that the machine develops its ability to: 1. accept sign - one yield you did not consider 2.

Re: Messages Aren't Made of Information

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 12:21:57 PM UTC-5, William R. Buckley wrote: > > Craig: > > > > When you say that “interpretation is consciousness” you contradict > > your prior statements regarding semiosis, that acceptance and action > > are not value. > I'm not sure what you're getting at. Acc

RE: Messages Aren't Made of Information

The sign is what it is and contexts react to signs. The other words you use in your argumentation are unnecessary at the very least, and I think they lead to muddled thinking on your end. The sign takes no action; it simply is. The context takes all action, to include the action o

RE: Messages Aren't Made of Information

I think that like light, being composed of two propagating waves, we should find sound to be composed of propagating pressure waves regardless of media. wrb From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Craig Weinberg Sent: Thursday, March

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 12:12:31 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 Craig Weinberg >wrote: > > >> > but back in the days of my awesome Atari 800 computer, there was a >> program called S.A.M. which sounded like this: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7nqixe3WrQ >> >> Now

RE: Messages Aren't Made of Information

Craig: When you say that "interpretation is consciousness" you contradict your prior statements regarding semiosis, that acceptance and action are not value. wrb From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Craig Weinberg Sent: Thursd

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 Craig Weinberg wrote: > > but back in the days of my awesome Atari 800 computer, there was a > program called S.A.M. which sounded like this: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7nqixe3WrQ > > Now, 31 years later, we have this: > http://www.acapela-group.com/text-to-speech-int

Thin Client

If you have ever worked with Terminal Servers, RDP, Citrix Metaframe, or the like (and that's what I have been doing professionally every day for the last 14 years), you will understand the idea of a Thin Client architecture. Thin clients are as old as computing, and some of you remember as I d

Re: Cats fall for illusions too

On 3/7/2013 11:36 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: I have no doubt that Craig will somehow see this as a vindication of his theory and a refutation of mechanism. Terren I wonder if you think that the cat's name is Pavlov? On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Stephen P. King

Re: MGA is back (on the FOAR list)

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 8:19:06 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 06 Mar 2013, at 18:49, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > I understand where you are coming from in MGA now, Bruno, and again there > is nothing wrong with your reasoning, but in that your initial assumptions > are not the univer

Re: Cats fall for illusions too

I have no doubt that Craig will somehow see this as a vindication of his theory and a refutation of mechanism. Terren On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?**feature=player_embedded&v=**CcXXQ6GCUb8

Re: Messages Aren't Made of Information

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 1:39:25 AM UTC-5, William R. Buckley wrote: > > I have before claimed that the computer is > a good example of the power of semiosis. > > It is simple enough to see that the mere > construction of a Turing machine confers > upon that machine the ability to recognise

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 11:07:49 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > On 3/7/2013 10:58 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Thursday, March 7, 2013 10:43:06 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: >> >> On 3/7/2013 10:11 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, March 8, 2013,

Re: Messages Aren't Made of Information

On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 12:09:28 PM UTC-5, William R. Buckley wrote: > > Now we are getting some place. > > > > Exactly. There is simply action. > > > > Contexts react to sign. > They react to their interpretations of a sign. The sign itself is a figure - a disposable form hijacked by

Re: Messages Aren't Made of Information

On Tuesday, March 5, 2013 10:55:31 PM UTC-5, William R. Buckley wrote: > > The falling tree makes sound, the wind make sound, the … makes sound > regardless of your presence (or the presence of others) to hear that sound. > Regardless of my presence, of course, but to make sound, you need an ea

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

On 3/7/2013 10:58 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 7, 2013 10:43:06 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 3/7/2013 10:11 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Friday, March 8, 2013, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/7/2013 8:44 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On T

Re: Messages Aren't Made of Information

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 6:55:25 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 05 Mar 2013, at 19:14, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, March 5, 2013 12:03:28 PM UTC-5, William R. Buckley wrote: >> >> Craig: >> >> >> You statement of need for a human to observe the >> >> pattern is the smo

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 10:43:06 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > On 3/7/2013 10:11 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On Friday, March 8, 2013, Stephen P. King wrote: > >> On 3/7/2013 8:44 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> On Thursday, March 7, 2013 12:59:50 AM UTC-5, stathisp w

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

On 3/7/2013 10:11 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Friday, March 8, 2013, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/7/2013 8:44 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 7, 2013 12:59:50 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: By the definition I gave above a stone does not choose to rol

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

On Friday, March 8, 2013, Stephen P. King wrote: > On 3/7/2013 8:44 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > On Thursday, March 7, 2013 12:59:50 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: By the >> definition I gave above a stone does not choose to roll down the hill >> because it does not consider each option in order to d

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

On 3/7/2013 8:44 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 7, 2013 12:59:50 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: By the definition I gave above a stone does not choose to roll down the hill because it does not consider each option in order to decide which one to do. Why doesn't it choo

Re: MGA is back (on the FOAR list)

On 06 Mar 2013, at 18:49, Craig Weinberg wrote: I understand where you are coming from in MGA now, Bruno, and again there is nothing wrong with your reasoning, but in that your initial assumptions are not the universe that we live in. ? (the assumption of the whole reasoning is just comp.

Re: Messages Aren't Made of Information

On 06 Mar 2013, at 00:03, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/5/2013 3:03 PM, William R. Buckley wrote: Craig, You build an automaton, place it and turn it on, and from that point in time forward the automaton reacts to acceptable information all on its own. You contradict yourself – - I don

Re: Ectopic Eyes Experient: Supports my view of sense, Invalidates mechanistic assumptions about eyes.

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 05 Mar 2013, at 19:39, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, March 5, 2013 12:45:11 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 05 Mar 2013, at 08:43, Jesse Mazer wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Pierz wrote: >>> >

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

On 05 Mar 2013, at 22:28, meekerdb wrote: On 3/5/2013 6:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Why would anyone want to make decisions that were not determined by their learning and memories and values. Indeed. But even more when they feel such value as being universal or close to universal.

Re: Ectopic Eyes Experient: Supports my view of sense, Invalidates mechanistic assumptions about eyes.

On 05 Mar 2013, at 19:39, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, March 5, 2013 12:45:11 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Mar 2013, at 08:43, Jesse Mazer wrote: On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Pierz wrote: Really Craig? It invalidates mechanistic assumptions about eyes? I'm sure the re

Re: Messages Aren't Made of Information

On 05 Mar 2013, at 19:14, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, March 5, 2013 12:03:28 PM UTC-5, William R. Buckley wrote: Craig: You statement of need for a human to observe the pattern is the smoking gun to indicate a misunderstanding of semiotic theory on your part. I don't think that it

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

On 05 Mar 2013, at 18:21, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, March 4, 2013 7:23:32 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Mar 2013, at 20:35, meekerdb wrote: > On 3/2/2013 11:56 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >>> So you admit that what you say contradicts the fact that you are >>> >intentionall