Re: Science is a religion by itself.

On Jan 11, 7:24 am, "socra...@bezeqint.net" wrote: >   Nobody has "seen" primary matter, > but the believer in it usually   attribute it a fundamental role in > our existence. > ===. > > What is a primary matter from modern scientific point of view ? > It is  'quantum  virtual particles'

Science is a religion by itself.

Nobody has "seen" primary matter, but the believer in it usually attribute it a fundamental role in our existence. ===. What is a primary matter from modern scientific point of view ? It is 'quantum virtual particles' and ' cosmic dark mass and energy' The problem is that nobody exp

Re: Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism.

On Jan 10, 6:22 pm, Richard Ruquist wrote: > wiki- Charles' law (also known as the law of volumes) is an > experimental gas law which describes how gases tend to expand when > heated. > > Richard- Thermodynamics of gases breaks down near absolute where most > materials have already changed phase

Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

On 1/10/2013 9:20 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:33:06 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/10/2013 4:23 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Do you think there can be something that is intelligent but not complex (and use whatever definitions of "intelligent" and

Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

On Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:33:06 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > On 1/10/2013 4:23 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > Do you think there can be something that is intelligent but not complex >> (and use whatever definitions of "intelligent" and "complex" you want). >> > > A thermostat is much les

Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

On Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:58:32 PM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: > > Hi Craig, > > I tend to agree with what you say (or what I understand of it). Despite my > belief that it is possible to extract memories (or their 3p shadows) from a > brain, > As long as you have another brain to experi

Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

On 1/10/2013 4:23 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Do you think there can be something that is intelligent but not complex (and use whatever definitions of "intelligent" and "complex" you want). A thermostat is much less complex than a human brain but intelligent under my definition. But m

Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 12:58 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/10/2013 3:15 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 12:01 AM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 1/10/2013 2:28 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:15 PM, meekerdb wrote: >> >>> On 1/10/2013 1:58

Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

On 1/10/2013 3:15 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 12:01 AM, meekerdb > wrote: On 1/10/2013 2:28 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:15 PM, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/10/2013 1:58 PM, Te

Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 12:01 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/10/2013 2:28 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:15 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 1/10/2013 1:58 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> Hi Craig, >> >> I tend to agree with what you say (or what I understand of it). Desp

Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

On 1/10/2013 2:28 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:15 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 1/10/2013 1:58 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Craig, I tend to agree with what you say (or what I understand of it). Despite my belief that it is pos

Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:15 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/10/2013 1:58 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > Hi Craig, > > I tend to agree with what you say (or what I understand of it). Despite > my belief that it is possible to extract memories (or their 3p shadows) > from a brain, I do not believe in

Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

On 1/10/2013 1:58 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Craig, I tend to agree with what you say (or what I understand of it). Despite my belief that it is possible to extract memories (or their 3p shadows) from a brain, I do not believe in the neuroscience hypothesis that consciousness emerges from bra

Re: Stanislaw Lem Story

On 1/10/2013 1:36 PM, John Mikes wrote: Stathis: you MUST know betterI suppose. You wrote in the Lem-story about the first straight Polish to English translation: // /_allowing English-speaking readers to finally experience the book as its author intended._/ You may be bilingual (at least?)

Re: Quantum Suicide and World War 3

On 1/10/2013 12:43 PM, John Clark wrote: Perhaps the Quantum Suicide experiment has already been performed and on a global scale. After Hugh Everett developed the many Worlds interpretation in his doctoral dissertation he was disappointed at the poor reception it received and never published any

Re: Sensing the presence of God

On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 09 Jan 2013, at 17:03, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 09 Jan 2013, at 13:26, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> Where does hate, falsehood and ugliness come from? >> >> >> I am no

Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

Hi Craig, I tend to agree with what you say (or what I understand of it). Despite my belief that it is possible to extract memories (or their 3p shadows) from a brain, I do not believe in the neuroscience hypothesis that consciousness emerges from brain activity. I'm not sure I believe that there

Re: Quantum Suicide and World War 3

Perhaps we must worship Everett. Maybe he is with Einstein in a superdimensional throne of quarks. Aleluya. 2013/1/10 John Clark > Perhaps the Quantum Suicide experiment has already been performed and on a > global scale. After Hugh Everett developed the many Worlds interpretation > in his doct

Re: Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism.

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:41 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/10/2013 11:31 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 7:27 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 1/10/2013 6:20 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: >> >> I have never understood what it means to be atheist. Sometimes it ap

Quantum Suicide and World War 3

Perhaps the Quantum Suicide experiment has already been performed and on a global scale. After Hugh Everett developed the many Worlds interpretation in his doctoral dissertation he was disappointed at the poor reception it received and never published anything on quantum mechanics again for the res

Re: Re: Are EM waves and/or their fields physical ?

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Thursday, January 10, 2013 2:08:35 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Only the 1p perspective is dynamic >> >> or causes dynamicism- changes in the Block Universe. >> >> I should have mentioned that the Mind is a block univers

Re: Fw: Re: Are EM waves and/or their fields physical ?

On Thursday, January 10, 2013 5:06:25 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: > > > > I appear to be wrong about the aether, according to a physicist > friend of mine, and the lastest physics: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aether_theories > > Apparently the Michaelson-Morley experiment has been expl

Re: Why you should do the unexpected bet in front of a QS experiment ?

2013/1/10 meekerdb > On 1/10/2013 11:37 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > It's not working just fine if *repeated* occurence of such *extremelly low > probability* occurs. > > > But that's exactly what happens in you hypothetical MWI example. > Yes and MWI is "saved" because in MWI it does happen.

Re: Why you should do the unexpected bet in front of a QS experiment ?

On 1/10/2013 11:39 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/1/10 meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> You can as well say collapse is saved because P=10^-6 > 0 and so probability calculus is working just fine. Collapse and MWI use the same probability calculus. And I repeat again, in MWI

Re: Why you should do the unexpected bet in front of a QS experiment ?

On 10 Jan 2013, at 16:37, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/1/10 Bruno Marchal On 09 Jan 2013, at 20:02, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/1/9 Bruno Marchal On 09 Jan 2013, at 12:10, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Hi, let us start with the proposed QS experiment by Tegmark, I publish this before. It m

Re: Why you should do the unexpected bet in front of a QS experiment ?

On 1/10/2013 11:37 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: It's not working just fine if *repeated* occurence of such *extremelly low probability* occurs. But that's exactly what happens in you hypothetical MWI example. If you say it's fine, then you're simply saying probability is meaningless. I wonder

Re: Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism.

On 1/10/2013 11:31 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 7:27 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 1/10/2013 6:20 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: I have never understood what it means to be atheist. Sometimes it appears to mean existentia

Re: Why you should do the unexpected bet in front of a QS experiment ?

2013/1/10 meekerdb > You can as well say collapse is saved because P=10^-6 > 0 and so > probability calculus is working just fine. Collapse and MWI use the same > probability calculus. > And I repeat again, in MWI probability ***is not*** about happening, in QM+collapse ***it is***. In MWI it

Re: Why you should do the unexpected bet in front of a QS experiment ?

It's not working just fine if *repeated* occurence of such *extremelly low probability* occurs. If you say it's fine, then you're simply saying probability is meaningless. I wonder what measurement you'll accept to falsify a theory ? Regardsn Quentin 2013/1/10 meekerdb > You can as well say co

Re: Why you should do the unexpected bet in front of a QS experiment ?

You can as well say collapse is saved because P=10^-6 > 0 and so probability calculus is working just fine. Collapse and MWI use the same probability calculus. Brent On 1/10/2013 10:42 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Yes but in QM + collapse it is a potentiality which happen according to the prob

Re: Why you should do the unexpected bet in front of a QS experiment ?

On 10 Jan 2013, at 17:27, David Nyman wrote: On 10 January 2013 15:31, Bruno Marchal wrote: I am still not sure this does not simply add a layer of difficulty, because it is not clear (to me) what can possibly be such a sampling. Well, as I've said, there need be no mystery about it - it'

Re: Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism.

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 7:27 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/10/2013 6:20 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > I have never understood what it means to be atheist. Sometimes it appears > to mean existentialist "not Christian god", another appearance is "not > organized religion", which both appear

Re: Re: Are EM waves and/or their fields physical ?

On Thursday, January 10, 2013 2:08:35 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: > > > >> > >> Only the 1p perspective is dynamic > >> or causes dynamicism- changes in the Block Universe. > > I should have mentioned that the Mind is a block universe > but not necessarily the physical universe(s). > > I see Mi

Re: Sensing the presence of God

On 1/10/2013 8:10 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 22:03, meekerdb wrote: On 1/9/2013 7:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 13:18, Roger Clough wrote: According to Plato, all love, all truth, and all beauty comes from the One (ie God). That being the case, when I ex

Re: Re: Are EM waves and/or their fields physical ?

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:42:06 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Craig Weinberg >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:47:26 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> But

Re: Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism.

On 1/10/2013 8:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Empirical proofs can be ostensive. But I prefer not using "proof" for that. It can only be misleading when we do applied logic. I prefer to call that "empirical evidences". So I think the two kinds of 'proof' have little in common. Almost

Re: Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism.

On 1/10/2013 8:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 20:17, meekerdb wrote: On 1/9/2013 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 01:01, meekerdb wrote: On 1/8/2013 12:25 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Le me add some meat here Nah. It's just your wishful thinking that eve

Re: What is Idealism ?

On 10 Jan 2013, at 14:49, Roger Clough wrote: Since there has been some discussion of Plato and Leibniz, who are both IMHO Idealists, but of different forms, and since I have argued much against materialism, which is inverse to Idealism, I thought the following might be helpful: Idealism From

Re: Atheists are those that refuse to worship the false gods they invent.

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > Atheists are those that refuse to worship the false gods they invent. > They look for truth and untruth from the logic of analogies instead of > seeking the Living God of the Bible, Atheists are those that refuse to worship any God because

Re: Why you should do the unexpected bet in front of a QS experiment ?

Yes but in QM + collapse it is a potentiality which happen according to the probability in mwi it is a proportion, it always happen. If the event always happen your prior probability calculus is severly broken. Mwi is saved because in mwi probability are not about happening but are proportions in

Re: Complexity is a sign that you can't get there (necessary reason) from here (contingent reason)

On 10 Jan 2013, at 14:48, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Complexity can't (or at least need not) be a feature of Platonism, since all of those equations have already been solved or resolved from above. In the outer-god eyes. Perhaps. That makes neoplatonist sense. For God things ar

Re: Why you should do the unexpected bet in front of a QS experiment ?

On 1/10/2013 7:37 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: No, I say it can no more happen in collapse theory without *a very good* explanation principle. I'm sorry but if the theory predict it happens with a 1/10⁹ probability of occurence and every time you test it, it happens... I'd say your prior probabili

Re: Sensing the presence of God

On 1/10/2013 7:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 19:37, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 7:18 AM, Roger Clough > wrote: > I sense God's presence. That's nice, but how do you know (and more important how do we know) if you are sensing a o

Re: Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism.

On 1/10/2013 6:20 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: I have never understood what it means to be atheist. Sometimes it appears to mean existentialist "not Christian god", another appearance is "not organized religion", which both appear reasonable. Intuitively however, I've always asked myself

Re: Re: Are EM waves and/or their fields physical ?

On Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:42:06 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > > > > > > On Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:47:26 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> But in the end the magic of consciousness > >> requires a 1p

Re: Is there an aether ?

On 10 Jan 2013, at 14:10, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Spacetime is physical, but space is not and time is not. That is, according to Descartes, Kant, Leibniz, and Einstein. That's why I find it hard to accept the revisionist view that the former interpretation of the M-M experiment,

Re: Re: Are EM waves and/or their fields physical ?

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:47:26 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: >> >> >> >> But in the end the magic of consciousness >> requires a 1p leap of faith. > > > And vice versa.That's because they are the same thing. Consciousness is > litera

Re: Atheists are those that refuse to worship the false gods they invent.

On 10 Jan 2013, at 13:52, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Atheists are those that refuse to worship the false gods they invent. OK. They look for truth and untruth from the logic of analogies instead of seeking the Living God of the Bible, who isn't an analogy. Here I can't follow

Re: Re: Are EM waves and/or their fields physical ?

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: > Well Roger, > > Think of the number infinities that Bruno is always referencing to. > > Think of the number infinities in terms of a > static MWI deterministic Block Universe BU. > > The number infinities exist in the monad relationships >

Re: Re: Are EM waves and/or their fields physical ?

On Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:47:26 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: > > > > But in the end the magic of consciousness > requires a 1p leap of faith. > And vice versa.That's because they are the same thing. Consciousness is literally a leap across mechanism, computation, and physics. That is what

Re: misfits of perfect prisms spilled on the floor

On 10 Jan 2013, at 13:46, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Could it be -- borrowing from Leibniz's Theodicy-- that in Heaven, all of the forms are perfect, Like perfect crime. You can say that with perfect means definitely true or false. as, say, prisms in a display cabinet, but wh

Re: Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism.

wiki- Charles' law (also known as the law of volumes) is an experimental gas law which describes how gases tend to expand when heated. Richard- Thermodynamics of gases breaks down near absolute where most materials have already changed phase to liquid (usually BEC) or solid. Charles Law is inappro

Re: Complexity is a sign that you can't get there (necessary reason) from here (contingent reason)

Davies defines a threshold for consciousness based on biological and/or BEC complexity exceeding the comp capacity of the universe: 10^120 bits. http://arxiv.org/ftp/quant-ph/papers/0703/0703041.pdf On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Bruno Marchal > > Complexity can't (or

Re: Sensing the presence of God

On 10 Jan 2013, at 13:30, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Could the incompleteness theorem simply be an artifact of wrong-headedly trying to reach the necessary from the realm of contingency ? It is as much an artifact than the fact that there is an infinity of primes. Gödel's theor

Re: Wave collapse and consciousness

On 10 Jan 2013, at 13:13, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Platonism is not at least overtly Berkeley's idealism, but is idealism at least of the type described below. OK. That was my point. With comp we get a pythagorean sort of immaterialist theory. Like in Plotinus, both matter an

Re: Where do ideas come from?

On 10 Jan 2013, at 13:08, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal The how do ideas form, and what are they ? They are "intensional numbers", or if you prefer, programs, or generalization about programs, or about generalizations on generalizations on programs, etc, made by programs. (I ans

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

On 10 Jan 2013, at 13:07, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Sheldrake's morphisms might be thought of as life fields. What is that supposed to explain? But I don't think fields themselves are physical, rather they are monadic, descriptions of physical things. I am not sure that I un

Re: Re: Are EM waves and/or their fields physical ?

Well Roger, Think of the number infinities that Bruno is always referencing to. Think of the number infinities in terms of a static MWI deterministic Block Universe BU. The number infinities exist in the monad relationships at various levels and places in monad space, the Mind space of the BU On

Re: Why you should do the unexpected bet in front of a QS experiment ?

On 10 January 2013 15:31, Bruno Marchal wrote: *I am still not sure this does not simply add a layer of difficulty, > because it is not clear (to me) what can possibly be such a sampling.* > Well, as I've said, there need be no mystery about it - it's just a way of examining one's thinking about

Re: Sensing the presence of God

On 09 Jan 2013, at 22:03, meekerdb wrote: On 1/9/2013 7:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 13:18, Roger Clough wrote: According to Plato, all love, all truth, and all beauty comes from the One (ie God). That being the case, when I experience love, truth or beauty, I sense

Re: Is there an aether ?

The problem, in my view, is the term physical. *http://www.thefreedictionary.com/physical* "1.* a. * Of or relating to the body as distinguished from the mind or spirit. See Synonyms at bodily . * b. * Involving or characterized by vigorous bodily act

Re: Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism.

On 09 Jan 2013, at 21:55, meekerdb wrote: On 1/9/2013 7:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 12:35, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 5:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Jan 2013, at 15:59, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Whoever invented the word "God" inv

Re: Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism.

On 09 Jan 2013, at 20:17, meekerdb wrote: On 1/9/2013 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 01:01, meekerdb wrote: On 1/8/2013 12:25 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Le me add some meat here Nah. It's just your wishful thinking that everybody has to believe in God. All correc

Re: Why you should do the unexpected bet in front of a QS experiment ?

2013/1/10 Bruno Marchal > > On 09 Jan 2013, at 20:02, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > 2013/1/9 Bruno Marchal > >> >> On 09 Jan 2013, at 12:10, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> Hi, >>> >>> let us start with the proposed QS experiment by Tegmark, >>> >> >> I publish this before. It made some physicist

Re: Why you should do the unexpected bet in front of a QS experiment ?

On 09 Jan 2013, at 20:56, David Nyman wrote: On 9 January 2013 18:17, Bruno Marchal wrote: David Nyman's heuristic makes me think that they could be zombie, but I am not sure this can work with comp. Don't forget that we are speaking only of a heuristic, or guide for thought. The idea i

Re: Why you should do the unexpected bet in front of a QS experiment ?

On 09 Jan 2013, at 20:02, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/1/9 Bruno Marchal On 09 Jan 2013, at 12:10, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Hi, let us start with the proposed QS experiment by Tegmark, I publish this before. It made some physicists rather nervous against me, so that I find worthy to vindi

Re: Sensing the presence of God

On 09 Jan 2013, at 19:37, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 7:18 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > I sense God's presence. That's nice, but how do you know (and more important how do we know) if you are sensing a omnipotent being who created the universe or if you are sensing a bad pota

Re: Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism.

On 09 Jan 2013, at 18:56, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 16:17, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 12:35, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 5:09

Re: Atheists are those that refuse to worship the false gods they invent.

I meant: That´s why PROTECTION FROM bloody offenses demand blood as sacrifice 2013/1/10 Alberto G. Corona > That´s why bloody offenses demand blood as sacrifice -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to

Re: Atheists are those that refuse to worship the false gods they invent.

It would say that they worship, and worship very hard. But his worship does adopt different forms. All of them primitive, since their impulses are not moderated by an assumption of tradition, so they lack the knowledge of best practices due to previous failures. It is necessary to take into account

Re: Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism.

On Jan 10, 12:12 pm, Richard Ruquist wrote: > > > > Particles in the vacuum ( T=0K ) have no volumes > > ( according to the laws of thermodynamics ) > > Wrong > According to Charle’s law and the consequence of the third law of thermodynamics as the thermodynamic temperature of a system approac

What is Idealism ?

Since there has been some discussion of Plato and Leibniz, who are both IMHO Idealists, but of different forms, and since I have argued much against materialism, which is inverse to Idealism, I thought the following might be helpful: Idealism >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia No

Complexity is a sign that you can't get there (necessary reason) from here (contingent reason)

Hi Bruno Marchal Complexity can't (or at least need not) be a feature of Platonism, since all of those equations have already been solved or resolved from above. Complexity is simply an artifact produced by building up from below, without a clue as to what is present above (what is true) Co

Re: Re: Are EM waves and/or their fields physical ?

Hi Richard Ruquist Sounds a little fantastic to me, but what do I know ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/10/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01

Re: Re: Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism.

Hi meekerdb Coincidence with Newton's laws proves, to me at least, that the earth orbits the sun rather than the inverse. There's too much mass on the sun to have it orbit the earth. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/10/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woo

Is there an aether ?

Hi Bruno Marchal Spacetime is physical, but space is not and time is not. That is, according to Descartes, Kant, Leibniz, and Einstein. That's why I find it hard to accept the revisionist view that the former interpretation of the M-M experiment, that there is no aether, is now obsolete. [R

beauty is the discovery of unity in variety.

Hi socra...@bezeqint.net Somebody once said that beauty is the discovery of unity in variety. That's also what happens in perception. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/10/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content ---

Atheists are those that refuse to worship the false gods they invent.

Hi Bruno Marchal Atheists are those that refuse to worship the false gods they invent. They look for truth and untruth from the logic of analogies instead of seeking the Living God of the Bible, who isn't an analogy. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/10/2013 "Forever is a long time,

misfits of perfect prisms spilled on the floor

Hi Bruno Marchal Could it be -- borrowing from Leibniz's Theodicy-- that in Heaven, all of the forms are perfect, as, say, prisms in a display cabinet, but when you spill the cabinet and try to fit the perfect prisms back together down here on the floor (in this contingent world), there are g

Re: Re: Sensing the presence of God

Hi Bruno Marchal Could the incompleteness theorem simply be an artifact of wrong-headedly trying to reach the necessary from the realm of contingency ? That is, trying synthesize a system, whereas it is actually already complete if deduced analytically ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]

Re: Re: Wave collapse and consciousness

Hi Bruno Marchal Platonism is not at least overtly Berkeley's idealism, but is idealism at least of the type described below. idealism noun \i-'de-(?-)?liz-?m, 'i-(?)de-\ Definition of IDEALISM 1 a (1) : a theory that ultimate reality lies in a realm transcending phenomena (2) : a theor

Re: Re: Where do ideas come from?

Hi Bruno Marchal The how do ideas form, and what are they ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/10/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-09, 09:50:12 S

Re: Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

Hi Bruno Marchal Sheldrake's morphisms might be thought of as life fields. But I don't think fields themselves are physical, rather they are monadic, descriptions of physical things. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/10/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Wo

Re: Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism.

soc, "that truth" referring to what Bruno said. may or may not be true. You did not read the thread. Richard On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:00 AM, socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: >> >> Agreed, and I hope that truth is true . >> Richard >> > Truth is true !!! > / Richard / > Very good proof. . . > . .

Re: Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism.

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:06 AM, socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: > >> >> > Can we say that physical particles are often localised volumes >> > that are full of "infinities of discrete number relations" >> >> Sounds to much physicalist for me (or comp). > --> > > Particles in the vacuum ( T=0K

Fw: Re: Are EM waves and/or their fields physical ?

I appear to be wrong about the aether, according to a physicist friend of mine, and the lastest physics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aether_theories Apparently the Michaelson-Morley experiment has been explained away, and, together with the discovery of dark energy and matter, the theory of