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In my city, Bucharest. It's the Romanian Athenaeum. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_Athenaeum -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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Where is this? @philipthrift On Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 4:26:37 PM UTC-5, Cosmin Visan wrote: > > [image: I Am.jpg] > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

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> On 1 Jun 2019, at 09:37, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 5:08 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > On 31 May 2019, at 20:40, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: >> On 5/31/2019 12:47 AM, Bruno Marchal

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On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 5:08 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 31 May 2019, at 20:40, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > On 5/31/2019 12:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Theology has asked all problems which led to science. > > > Nonsense. The earliest

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> On 31 May 2019, at 20:40, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/31/2019 12:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 30 May 2019, at 18:58, John Clark >> > wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 3:12 AM Bruno Marchal >>

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On 5/31/2019 12:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 May 2019, at 18:58, John Clark > wrote: On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 3:12 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > *      !* > /But science

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> On 30 May 2019, at 18:58, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 3:12 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > > > ! > > > But science has not found any solution here. > > It's true Science has not found a

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> On 30 May 2019, at 18:43, John Clark wrote: > > On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 7:04 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > >> Physics can never make a good prediction if you don't make clear exactly > >> what it is that you want predicted, > > > My reasoning does not depends on

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On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 3:12 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > > * !* > *But science has not found any solution here. * > It's true Science has not found a solution to every problem, but theology not found a solution to *ANY* problem. *> Why

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On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 7:04 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: >> Physics can never make a good prediction if you don't make clear exactly >> what it is that you want predicted, > > > *> My reasoning does not depends on what is predicted.* > Yes it is, you make a big deal out of something you call "First

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> On 29 May 2019, at 20:39, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/29/2019 3:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> On the other hand, the solutions science finds work better than the >>> solutions provided by every other disciplines...like theology. >> >> Which one? > >

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On 5/29/2019 3:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On the other hand, the solutions science finds work better than the solutions provided by every other disciplines...like theology. Which one? Any one. The invocation of the existence of physical universe to explain why we see a

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> On 28 May 2019, at 23:28, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/28/2019 4:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 28 May 2019, at 08:00, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5/27/2019 11:06 AM,

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> On 28 May 2019, at 23:24, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/28/2019 4:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 27 May 2019, at 02:33, John Clark >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:30 AM Bruno Marchal >>

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> On 28 May 2019, at 18:56, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 7:16 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > You have agreed that two identical digital brain, physically realised in > > different place, doing the same computations, would support one > >

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> On 28 May 2019, at 13:44, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 9:38 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > On 28 May 2019, at 08:00, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: >> >> On the other hand, the solutions

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> On 28 May 2019, at 09:56, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 1:00:30 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > On 5/27/2019 11:06 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> On Monday, May 27, 2019 at 8:38:58 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: >> On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 3:57 AM Philip Thrift >

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On 5/28/2019 4:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 May 2019, at 08:00, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 5/27/2019 11:06 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Monday, May 27, 2019 at 8:38:58 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Mon, May 27,

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On 5/28/2019 4:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 May 2019, at 02:33, John Clark > wrote: On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:30 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: >> Nobody knows the answer to the "hard problem of consciousness"

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John McCarthy, inventor of LISP, said the same thing twenty years ago.  He warned against inadvertently creating conscious beings while developing service robots. Brent On 5/28/2019 12:56 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: There is of course the engineering prospect of making conscious robots. But

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On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 7:16 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: *> You have agreed that two identical digital brain, physically realised in > different place, doing the same computations, would support one > consciousness,* > Yes. > > *but you keep believing that physics is enough to predict our first >

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On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 9:38 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 28 May 2019, at 08:00, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On the other hand, the solutions science finds work better than the > solutions provided by every other disciplines...like

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> On 28 May 2019, at 08:00, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/27/2019 11:06 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> On Monday, May 27, 2019 at 8:38:58 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: >> On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 3:57 AM Philip Thrift > > wrote: >> >> > It is odd that the

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> On 27 May 2019, at 22:27, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 2:06 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > >> if I discovered a new stable particle that was so numerous that its mass > >> added up to 5 times the mass of all normal baryonic matter in the

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> On 27 May 2019, at 20:20, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, May 27, 2019 at 7:59:46 AM UTC-5, telmo wrote: > Consciousness is the stage within which all these phenomena are observed. It > is a qualitatively different thing, unlike any other thing I can think of. > > It's like asking

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> On 27 May 2019, at 09:57, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, May 26, 2019 at 7:34:27 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > > On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:30 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > >> Nobody knows the answer to the "hard problem of consciousness" because > >> nobody knows exactly

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> On 27 May 2019, at 02:33, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:30 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > >> Nobody knows the answer to the "hard problem of consciousness" because > >> nobody knows exactly what the question is or what criteria is to be

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> On 27 May 2019, at 22:39, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List > wrote: > > Also, another question would be: What is your view on time ? Do computations > happen in time or does time emerges out of atemporal computations ? Subjective time emerges from atemporal computations. Physical time

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> On 27 May 2019, at 22:32, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List > wrote: > > I'm not necessarily smarter as I am honest. When I look at the phenomenology > of consciousness and I see certain things, I cannot then lie to myself that I > haven't seen those things. If I had countless telepathies

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> On 27 May 2019, at 22:27, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List > wrote: > > Are you aware of Roger Penrose writings about non-computable phenomena ? Yes. But non computable phenomena is exactly what all machines are confronted with, and indeed, Mechanism enforced both consciousness and

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On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 1:00:30 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 5/27/2019 11:06 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, May 27, 2019 at 8:38:58 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 3:57 AM Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> *> It is odd that the phenomenon of

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On 5/27/2019 11:06 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Monday, May 27, 2019 at 8:38:58 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 3:57 AM Philip Thrift > wrote: /> It is odd that the phenomenon of consciousness would be a "hard" problem, as if other "problems" of

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On 5/27/2019 12:57 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Sunday, May 26, 2019 at 7:34:27 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:30 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: >> Nobody knows the answer to the "hard problem of consciousness" because nobody knows exactly

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On Monday, May 27, 2019 at 3:28:11 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 2:06 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > >> >> if I discovered a new stable particle that was so numerous that its >>> mass added up to 5 times the mass of all normal baryonic matter in the >>> universe

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Also, another question would be: What is your view on time ? Do computations happen in time or does time emerges out of atemporal computations ? On Monday, 27 May 2019 13:02:24 UTC+3, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > Ask any question for more explanation, > > -- You received this message because

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I'm not necessarily smarter as I am honest. When I look at the phenomenology of consciousness and I see certain things, I cannot then lie to myself that I haven't seen those things. If I had countless telepathies and precognitions especially in relations to loved ones, I cannot then lie that

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On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 2:06 PM Philip Thrift wrote: > >> if I discovered a new stable particle that was so numerous that its >> mass added up to 5 times the mass of all normal baryonic matter in the >> universe then the Dark Matter question would be answered; and if it can be >> proven that

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Are you aware of Roger Penrose writings about non-computable phenomena ? On Monday, 27 May 2019 13:02:24 UTC+3, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > computation > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

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On Monday, May 27, 2019 at 7:59:46 AM UTC-5, telmo wrote: > > Consciousness is the stage within which all these phenomena are observed. > It is a qualitatively different thing, unlike any other thing I can think > of. > > It's like asking the difference between "Citizen Kane", "Star Wars", >

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On Monday, May 27, 2019 at 8:38:58 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 3:57 AM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > *> It is odd that the phenomenon of consciousness would be a "hard" >> problem, as if other "problems" of nature would be "easy". We don't know >> what dark matter and

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On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 3:57 AM Philip Thrift wrote: *> It is odd that the phenomenon of consciousness would be a "hard" > problem, as if other "problems" of nature would be "easy". We don't know > what dark matter and dark energy are.* > The question "What is Dark Matter?" is the second most

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On Mon, May 27, 2019, at 09:57, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Sunday, May 26, 2019 at 7:34:27 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:30 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> Nobody knows the answer to the "hard problem of consciousness" because >> nobody knows

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> On 25 May 2019, at 12:12, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List > wrote: > > I told you: The definition of a number is: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, etc. If you > start seeing number as being alive, then you have a problem. Yes, number are not alive, nor machine, nor brains, no piece of matter, nor

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On Sunday, May 26, 2019 at 7:34:27 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:30 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > >> >> Nobody knows the answer to the "hard problem of consciousness" >>> because nobody knows exactly what the question is or what criteria is to be >>> used to

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On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:30 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> Nobody knows the answer to the "hard problem of consciousness" because >> nobody knows exactly what the question is or what criteria is to be used to >> determine if its been successfully answered. > > > > *So you don’t understand it.* >

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It is ironic that Alan Turing himself thought that actual computing in the universe included (to a large extent) non-Turing computing (where "Turing" here means what became the standard definition as being carried out by the commonly-defined "Turing machine"). That "computing" became

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> On 23 May 2019, at 05:30, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/22/2019 6:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 21 May 2019, at 20:59, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5/21/2019 2:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > 3) I don't even know

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You are smarter than all of us, Cosmin! On 5/26/2019 6:48 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: See ? You don't understand anything from what Bruno is saying. You only spot the word "Turing", you also heard about the "Turing test", and you shallowly concluded that that is what Bruno is

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See ? You don't understand anything from what Bruno is saying. You only spot the word "Turing", you also heard about the "Turing test", and you shallowly concluded that that is what Bruno is talking about. No. He is talking about all kinds of weird stuff, like numbers that are alive. But of

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This mailing list has been going on for decades now. Bruno's ideas have been discussed a lot along the years, as well as other's. Unfortunately we do not have any central source to get you up to speed, but there are at least two books you can take a look at. One is the one that brought me here,

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Bruno's statement is quite understandable. Ya gotta know about the work of Alan Turing (circa 1950's). He is referring to Turing's test for human-like intelligent behavior manifestations (of computers, machines) with the halting issue being whether it's possible to discover whether an

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You didn't answer the question (probably the politically correctness indoctrination is keeping you from telling the truth): Did you understand what Bruno is talking about ? On Saturday, 25 May 2019 13:21:19 UTC+3, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > Obviously, you can't. I'm sorry for you. > -- You

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Obviously, you can't. I'm sorry for you. Bye Le sam. 25 mai 2019 à 12:11, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> a écrit : > Do you understand what Bruno is talking ? Being frank with people is not > insulting. I'm sorry that you are indoctrinated to be

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I told you: The definition of a number is: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, etc. If you start seeing number as being alive, then you have a problem. On Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:39:42 UTC+3, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > Cosmin, ask question, it is simpler that way. You can read the papers also. > > Bruno > > --

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Do you understand what Bruno is talking ? Being frank with people is not insulting. I'm sorry that you are indoctrinated to be politically correct, smiling in front of people and talking bad about them from behind. Me, not being indoctrinated, I tell people exactly what is to be told. So, I ask

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challenges us all, and the few are able to successfully rise to > the challenge. For me, the mathematically gifted are indeed a successor > species! > > > -Original Message- > From: Bruno Marchal > > To: everything-list > > Sent: Fri, May 17, 2019 8

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exity challenges us all, and the few are able to successfully rise >> to the challenge. For me, the mathematically gifted are indeed a successor >> species! >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Bruno Marchal >> To: everything-list >> Sent: Fri, Ma

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Fri, May 17, 2019 8:34 am > Subject: Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon > > > On 15 May 2019, at 17:41, spudboy100 via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > Some years ago, some astronomer or cosmologist introduced the idea of One &

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On 5/22/2019 6:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 May 2019, at 20:59, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 5/21/2019 2:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: 3) I don't even know what it would mean for consciousness to be provable, nor why that is relevant. It is part of the axiomatic

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> On 22 May 2019, at 12:19, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List > wrote: > > Derive here from addition and multiplication the color red. “Derive” here is ambiguous. If you mean literally to derive the colour red from addition and multiplication, then you ask me something impossible. Yet,

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> On 21 May 2019, at 21:02, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/21/2019 2:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> You just invoke your God again, but the whole point of doing science, >> especially theological or metaphysics is to keep personal conviction out of >> the

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> On 21 May 2019, at 20:59, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/21/2019 2:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> 3) I don't even know what it would mean for consciousness to be provable, >>> nor why that is relevant. >> >> It is part of the axiomatic definition we search.

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> On 21 May 2019, at 20:48, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/21/2019 1:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> Atheism is radical post-529 christianism. Before 529, theology was still >> done with the greek method: discussion, theories, experimentation, and >> changing the

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Derive here from addition and multiplication the color red. On Tuesday, 21 May 2019 17:40:43 UTC+3, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 21 May 2019, at 12:04, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > What about color red ? > > > As I just explained they belong to

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On 5/21/2019 2:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: You just invoke your God again, but the whole point of doing science, especially theological or metaphysics is to keep personal conviction out of the research. To use word like “real” is a symptom of pseudo-science/religion. Then stop using

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On 5/21/2019 2:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: 3)  I don't even know what it would mean for consciousness to be provable, nor why that is relevant. It is part of the axiomatic definition we search. Of course it is the proposition “I am conscious” which is both immediately true and not

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On 5/21/2019 1:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Atheism is radical post-529 christianism. Before 529, theology was still done with the greek method: discussion, theories, experimentation, and changing the theories/definitions each time a contradiction appears. What theological experiments

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> On 21 May 2019, at 13:06, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > On Mon, May 20, 2019, at 11:06, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 17 May 2019, at 08:56, Telmo Menezes >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Sat, May 11, 2019, at 00:02, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Fri, May 10, 2019

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> On 21 May 2019, at 12:04, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List > wrote: > > What about color red ? As I just explained they belong to the phenomenology of numbers, which is derivable from the addition and multiplication laws, which lead already to Turing universality, and to the theology of

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On Mon, May 20, 2019, at 11:06, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 17 May 2019, at 08:56, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> On Sat, May 11, 2019, at 00:02, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 11:42 PM Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 8:16 AM Bruce Kellett wrote:

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On Mon, May 20, 2019, at 20:55, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: > > > On 5/20/2019 2:35 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>> Physics (and the other sciences) are unreasonably effective at describing >>> and accounting for our experiences. Platonism does not have any runs on the >>> board

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What about color red ? On Friday, 17 May 2019 21:36:50 UTC+3, spudb...@aol.com wrote: > > > With mechanism, what exists are the numbers. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

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> On 21 May 2019, at 01:52, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 12:12:13 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 10:27 AM Russell Standish > wrote: > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:47:36PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:14 PM Bruno Marchal

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> On 20 May 2019, at 22:15, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:28 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > (Have you study this: that part took me 30 years of work. It is not obvious, > nor is Goldblatt paper obvious). If you study the work (mine and

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> On 20 May 2019, at 21:17, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/20/2019 2:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 17 May 2019, at 23:24, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5/17/2019 5:10 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 16 May 2019, at

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> On 20 May 2019, at 21:10, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/20/2019 2:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 17 May 2019, at 23:18, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5/17/2019 5:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 16 May 2019, at

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> On 20 May 2019, at 20:29, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/20/2019 2:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> There is not one evidence fro any primitive matter. Physics predicts well, >> and indeed, > > Which is very strong evidence for physical matter. Yes, but not for

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> On 20 May 2019, at 20:25, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/20/2019 2:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 17 May 2019, at 08:56, Telmo Menezes >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, May 11, 2019, at 00:02, Bruce Kellett wrote:

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> On 20 May 2019, at 19:15, John Clark wrote: > > On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 10:35 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > No, we can’t detect consciousness. I was saying that today positivisme is > > abandoned. It is the idea that we have to abandon the concept of > >

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> On 19 May 2019, at 09:11, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 4:45 PM Russell Standish > wrote: > On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 04:12:00PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 10:27 AM Russell Standish > >

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> On 19 May 2019, at 08:45, Russell Standish wrote: > > On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 04:12:00PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 10:27 AM Russell Standish >> wrote: >> >>On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:47:36PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:14 PM

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> On 19 May 2019, at 08:12, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 10:27 AM Russell Standish > wrote: > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:47:36PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:14 PM Bruno Marchal > >

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> On 19 May 2019, at 02:27, Russell Standish wrote: > > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:47:36PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:14 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>On 16 May 2019, at 03:27, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >>On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 12:59 AM Bruno

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On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 12:12:13 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > > On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 10:27 AM Russell Standish > wrote: > > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:47:36PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:14 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > > On 16 May 2019, at 03:27, Bruce

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On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:28 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > (Have you study this: that part took me 30 years of work. It is not > obvious, nor is Goldblatt paper obvious). If you study the work (mine and > Goldblatt, you might make less bold comments, I think). Here you shows some > prejudices. >

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On 5/20/2019 2:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 May 2019, at 23:24, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 5/17/2019 5:10 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 May 2019, at 01:40, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 5/15/2019 9:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 May 2019,

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On 5/20/2019 2:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 May 2019, at 23:18, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 5/17/2019 5:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 May 2019, at 01:28, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 5/15/2019 8:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Mathematical

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On 5/20/2019 2:35 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Physics (and the other sciences) are unreasonably effective at describing and accounting for our experiences. Platonism does not have any runs on the board at all. Platonism is a metaphysical position that is not in opposition to physics or any of

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On 5/20/2019 2:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: There is not one evidence fro any primitive matter. Physics predicts well, and indeed, Which is very strong evidence for physical matter.  "Primitive" is just a theological attribute that forbids looking deeper.  So of course physicists don't

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On 5/20/2019 2:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 May 2019, at 08:56, Telmo Menezes > wrote: On Sat, May 11, 2019, at 00:02, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 11:42 PM Jason Resch > wrote: On Fri, May 10, 2019 at

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On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 7:05 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >> *>> There are proposed cosmologies that allow for an infinite number of >> computational steps to occur - IIRC, the "big rip" is one such.* > > > I don't think so -- the "big rip" would simple tear the physical computer > to

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On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 10:35 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: *> No, we can’t detect consciousness. I was saying that today positivisme > is abandoned. It is the idea that we have to abandon the concept of > consciousness because we can’t detect it which has been abandonned.* > Only a fool would

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> On 17 May 2019, at 23:24, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/17/2019 5:10 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 16 May 2019, at 01:40, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5/15/2019 9:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 13 May 2019, at

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> On 17 May 2019, at 20:58, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/17/2019 3:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> It's a matter of equivocating on "the natural numbers". If you regard them >>> as a theory of things, the way you learn them at your mother's knee, then >>>

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> On 17 May 2019, at 14:47, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:14 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > On 16 May 2019, at 03:27, Bruce Kellett > wrote: >> On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 12:59 AM Bruno Marchal >

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On Fri, May 17, 2019, at 09:32, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 4:56 PM Telmo Menezes wrote: >> __ >> On Sat, May 11, 2019, at 00:02, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 11:42 PM Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 8:16 AM Bruce Kellett wrote:

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> On 17 May 2019, at 13:43, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:15 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > On 15 May 2019, at 13:18, Bruce Kellett > wrote: >> On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 5:50 PM Bruno Marchal > >

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> On 17 May 2019, at 09:33, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 1:56:05 AM UTC-5, telmo wrote: > > > There is plenty of evidence, informally known as "the unreasonable > effectiveness of math". > > As Max Tegmark points out, all of our scientific theories (he was

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> On 17 May 2019, at 09:31, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 4:56 PM Telmo Menezes > wrote: > On Sat, May 11, 2019, at 00:02, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 11:42 PM Jason Resch > > wrote: >> On Fri,

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> On 17 May 2019, at 08:56, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > On Sat, May 11, 2019, at 00:02, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 11:42 PM Jason Resch > > wrote: >> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 8:16 AM Bruce Kellett > > wrote: >>

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