Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-20 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 11:07 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Telmo wrote: I agree. But sometimes we're lazy. My worry is always the same: the energy budget necessary to drill the holes and maintain the infrastructure compared to the yield. I'm not saying this isn't a good idea, just

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-19 Thread John Mikes
Telmo wrote: *I agree. But sometimes we're lazy.My worry is always the same: the energy budget necessary to drill theholes and maintain the infrastructure compared to the yield. I'm notsaying this isn't a good idea, just that this analysis in necessary tomake it convincing. I would be glad

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 11:41 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Telmo, oil wells went down deeper than previously estimated as feasible. Techniques are evolving. If 2, 0r 5 pipes are inadequate in transport capacity, use more. Ask the engineers - I also claim ignorance. the

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-17 Thread meekerdb
On 11/16/2013 12:51 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: Dry rock geothermal certainly does have a big upside potential -- there is a whole lot of heat just a few miles below the ground, but it is not as easy or simple as you seem to think it is. For example in a lot of dry areas water supply becomes a

RE: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-17 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 11:43 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World On 11/16/2013 12:51 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: Dry rock geothermal

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-17 Thread John Mikes
. Chris *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *John Mikes *Sent:* Saturday, November 16, 2013 2:49 PM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Our Demon-Haunted World Chris: if you utter reservoir - you

RE: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-17 Thread Chris de Morsella
[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Mikes Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 12:15 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World Chris: you said it. I did not refer to hydraulic fracturing' or injecting (anything) INTO THE ROCK. I am talking about

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-17 Thread LizR
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Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-16 Thread spudboy100
Subject: RE: Our Demon-Haunted World From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 5:20 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World Please understand

RE: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-16 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 4:25 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World Ok, but I am not hostile at all to geothermal, especially

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-16 Thread John Mikes
Telmo: unfortunately I reflected to the NZ solution on another list... - it is a convoluted - I could say: inadeqyate - technology, just as the Au version of the surface utilization. SOME PARTS OF THE WORLD??? let us say: the surface? Solar woulrd cover immense surfaces just for supplying the

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-16 Thread John Mikes
Brent: that is a convoluted solution! I appreciate that you love sunshine, but keep it for the beach. Have you ever calculated how much surface of the present day efficiency is required to collect - say - 1000 times the energy we use today on the Globe? Think of energy required for the missing

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-16 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi John, On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 9:33 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Telmo: unfortunately I reflected to the NZ solution on another list... - it is a convoluted - I could say: inadeqyate - technology, just as the Au version of the surface utilization. SOME PARTS OF THE WORLD??? let

RE: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-16 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Mikes Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 12:33 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World Telmo: unfortunately I reflected to the NZ solution on another

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-16 Thread spudboy100
: RE: Our Demon-Haunted World From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 4:25 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World Ok, but I am not hostile at all

RE: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-16 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 1:20 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World If you need to push this TW challenge back at me, I would

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-16 Thread John Mikes
Dear Telmo, oil wells went down deeper than previously estimated as feasible. Techniques are evolving. If 2, 0r 5 pipes are inadequate in transport capacity, use more. Ask the engineers - I also claim ignorance. the geological temperature vertical map is varying according to a lot of factors.

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-16 Thread John Mikes
:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *John Mikes *Sent:* Saturday, November 16, 2013 12:33 PM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Our Demon-Haunted World Telmo: unfortunately I reflected to the NZ solution on another list

RE: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-16 Thread Chris de Morsella
@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Mikes Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 2:49 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World Chris: if you utter reservoir - you are on the wrong track. Nothing must COME OUT from the depth. Not even what YOU pumped in into open plenum. (My

RE: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-15 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 8:39 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World On 11/14/2013 6:28 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: From

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-15 Thread spudboy100
costly, this is, how environmental, how technically doable-I don't know. -Original Message- From: meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Nov 14, 2013 7:29 pm Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World On 11/14/2013 3:39 PM

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-15 Thread meekerdb
On 11/15/2013 12:15 AM, Chris de Morsella wrote: So the energy would be stored in the potential energy of the heavy piston and the water would just be a working medium? Why not put the weight on a cable and use a purely mechanical system? I'd think that could be more efficient that a water

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-15 Thread LizR
On 16 November 2013 07:01, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: The main problem is just size. I considered designing an energy storage system to be used with home, rooftop PVs. I looked around for something heavy that could be lifted up to store energy. My car. It weighs about 2600lb.

RE: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-15 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 5:20 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World Please understand, that unless your geothermal is really good

RE: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-15 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:02 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World On 11/15/2013 12:15 AM, Chris de Morsella wrote: So the energy would

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Nov 2013, at 17:43, meekerdb wrote: On 11/13/2013 12:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Nov 2013, at 22:10, Alberto G. Corona wrote: As human beings they were reluctant to provide hard earned data to those who had proved to mere critics - like you - with no interest but to

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Nov 2013, at 23:27, meekerdb wrote: On 11/13/2013 11:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The catholic and the chihite, This one: http://lordblumiere.deviantart.com/art/Chihite-Angelorum-61177983 Sorry, I was using the french terming. I was referring to those following Shi'a Islam, or

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Nov 2013, at 23:43, meekerdb wrote: On 11/13/2013 12:38 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: What is legal? Guns, oil, car, tobacco, alcohol, those things kill a lot, and none are/were really necessary. Killing people with guns (or otherwise) is generally illegal. I think it is a good idea,

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-14 Thread John Mikes
AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 12:49 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 November 2013 10:55, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: if you want us to give up the bad, dirty, power, then please provide a clean, affordable

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-14 Thread LizR
On 15 November 2013 11:39, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Telmo and other 'experts': why does nobody even mention the geothermic energy app - available in huge Q-s and so far tapped only in (literalily) 'superficial' usage. The high pressure ultra-clean steam from a deepened modification

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-14 Thread meekerdb
On 11/14/2013 3:39 PM, LizR wrote: On 15 November 2013 11:39, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com mailto:jami...@gmail.com wrote: Telmo and other 'experts': why does nobody even mention the geothermic energy app - available in huge Q-s and so far tapped only in (literalily) 'superficial'

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-14 Thread LizR
On 15 November 2013 13:29, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/14/2013 3:39 PM, LizR wrote: On 15 November 2013 11:39, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Telmo and other 'experts': why does nobody even mention the geothermic energy app - available in huge Q-s and so far tapped

RE: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-14 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 4:29 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World On 11/14/2013 3:39 PM, LizR wrote: On 15 November 2013 11:39, John

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-14 Thread meekerdb
On 11/14/2013 6:28 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: *From:*everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *meekerdb *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 4:29 PM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Our Demon-Haunted World On 11/14/2013 3

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-13 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Of course comrade. Why don´t you translate to Europe? Here our party is not only in the University, but in the media too. Here the truth is said: Every disaster is a product of greedy American capitalism, or barbarious zionism. But better though, We need you there in the Capitalist land. Salam

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Nov 2013, at 22:10, Alberto G. Corona wrote: As human beings they were reluctant to provide hard earned data to those who had proved to mere critics - like you - with no interest but to spread doubt. Can ever have been a more clear confession of sectarianism ? Doubt about

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 12:49 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 November 2013 10:55, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: if you want us to give up the bad, dirty, power, then please provide a clean, affordable, abundant substitute. Faster, please. The Sun, of course. Produces millions of times

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:12 pm Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World Thus said, because there are eternal laws, there are eternal truths. For the materialists, Konrad Lorenz said something extraordinarily profound that connect two

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-13 Thread LizR
On 13 November 2013 22:06, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 12:49 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 November 2013 10:55, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: if you want us to give up the bad, dirty, power, then please provide a clean, affordable, abundant

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-13 Thread LizR
Wikipedia on the price of solar panels. The last sentence shows the Moore's law type trend which I hope will continue. Average pricing information divides in three pricing categories: those buying small quantities (modules of all sizes in the kilowatt range annually), mid-range buyers (typically

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-13 Thread Alberto G. Corona
: Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:12 pm Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World Thus said, because there are eternal laws, there are eternal truths. For the materialists, Konrad Lorenz said something extraordinarily

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 10:18 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 November 2013 22:06, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 12:49 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 November 2013 10:55, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: if you want us to give up the bad,

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Nov 2013, at 10:32, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Bruno. Thanks for your measured style and your gentle responses, as always. But the prevention principle, that has been incorporated to the French Constitution a few years ago, has disastrous consequences. We have only one planet. But we

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-13 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I would be easy to make a joke of your comments about cannabis, but it would not have been fair. But If I take it seriously, I can not figh both conspiranoic theories in the same thread. The deniers of global warming hell and the deniers of cannabis heaven. It´s too much for me. 2013/11/13

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-13 Thread spudboy100
@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:49 pm Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World On 13 November 2013 10:55, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: if you want us to give up the bad, dirty, power, then please provide a clean, affordable, abundant substitute. Faster, please. The Sun, of course

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
- From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:49 pm Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World On 13 November 2013 10:55, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: if you want us to give up the bad, dirty, power, then please provide a clean

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-13 Thread meekerdb
On 11/13/2013 12:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Nov 2013, at 22:10, Alberto G. Corona wrote: As human beings they were reluctant to provide hard earned data to those who had proved to mere critics - like you - with no interest but to spread doubt. Can ever have been a more

RE: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-13 Thread Chris de Morsella
Demon-Haunted World Of course comrade. Why don´t you translate to Europe? Here our party is not only in the University, but in the media too. Here the truth is said: Every disaster is a product of greedy American capitalism, or barbarious zionism. But better though, We need you

RE: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-13 Thread Chris de Morsella
-Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Telmo Menezes Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 1:07 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 12:49 AM, LizR lizj

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-13 Thread Alberto G. Corona
@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Alberto G. Corona *Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:17 AM *To:* everything-list *Subject:* Re: Our Demon-Haunted World Of course comrade. Why don´t you translate to Europe? Here our party is not only

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-13 Thread meekerdb
On 11/13/2013 1:06 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Regarding solar power -- this could be the solution but it's sci-fi at the moment. I don't know what you mean by this? Are you implying that it is like teleportation or interstellar space flight? Those are things that we don't know how to do. But

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-13 Thread meekerdb
On 11/13/2013 2:13 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: That is not bad in principle, is what is it and is human nature. But in anomial societies like the modern West, where the small comunities were lost time ago, and the christian faith that created a big sense of comunity for all the West also has

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-13 Thread meekerdb
On 11/13/2013 2:51 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Also, I am against prohibition of any products, including oil, but prohibition of hemp has lead to making oil quasi obligatory. So the problem is not oil (and fossil fuel), the problem is the unfair competition brought by people having private

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-13 Thread spudboy100
- From: Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Nov 13, 2013 4:06 am Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 12:49 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 November 2013 10:55, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: if you

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Nov 2013, at 12:54, Alberto G. Corona wrote: I would be easy to make a joke of your comments about cannabis, but it would not have been fair. No problem. But If I take it seriously, I can not figh both conspiranoic theories in the same thread. Thanks for not using the

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-13 Thread Alberto G. Corona
A few moments ago I though: For sure meekerdeb will attack with one of their standard two-line mini-rant snippets that cut and paste everywhere And here it is. Chris at least spend a bit more effort before his final attack with his black helicopters 2013/11/13 meekerdb

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 12:49 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 November 2013 10:55, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: if you want us to give up the bad, dirty, power, then please provide a clean, affordable, abundant substitute. Faster, please

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-13 Thread meekerdb
On 11/13/2013 11:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The catholic and the chihite, This one: http://lordblumiere.deviantart.com/art/Chihite-Angelorum-61177983 Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-13 Thread meekerdb
On 11/13/2013 12:38 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: What is legal? Guns, oil, car, tobacco, alcohol, those things kill a lot, and none are/were really necessary. Killing people with guns (or otherwise) is generally illegal. Very few things are necessary to live - but many things are desirable.

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 3:30 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 November 2013 14:04, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: Every science whose conclusions have effects in politics has a high risk of being manipulated. In the URSS and here. From Anthropology to long term

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-12 Thread LizR
Hi Telmo There maye have been a hint of sarcasm in my comment, to be honest. I don't think we will better the scientific method, although we may be able to improve how we implement it, as it were - the human part of the equation. But I'm glad I stimulated your interesting comments, anyway! --

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-12 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2013/11/12 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net On 11/11/2013 5:04 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Every science whose conclusions have effects in politics has a high risk of being manipulated. In the URSS and here. From Anthropology to long term Meteorology to everything in the middle. The one that

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-12 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2013/11/12 LizR lizj...@gmail.com On 12 November 2013 14:04, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: Every science whose conclusions have effects in politics has a high risk of being manipulated. In the URSS and here. From Anthropology to long term Meteorology to everything in the

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 10:36 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Telmo There maye have been a hint of sarcasm in my comment, to be honest. I suspected as much, but wanted to babble anyway :) I don't think we will better the scientific method, although we may be able to improve how we

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-12 Thread Alberto G. Corona
So what would you suggest as a replacement? The scientific method is, to paraphrase Winston Churchill on democracy, the worst system we have apart from all the others we've tried. Following your analogy. when the the media, and the politicians of majority parties form a coalition to defend their

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Nov 2013, at 06:23, Chris de Morsella wrote: From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 7:43 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World On 11 Nov 2013

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-12 Thread Alberto G. Corona
@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Our Demon-Haunted World On 11 Nov 2013, at 18:49, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: A Grand Council of Truth? Certainly not. Honesty is not knowing truth. It is just being able to correct oneself when being shown wrong. It is very simple, if they were not jealousy, vanity, pride

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Nov 2013, at 11:54, Alberto G. Corona wrote: So what would you suggest as a replacement? The scientific method is, to paraphrase Winston Churchill on democracy, the worst system we have apart from all the others we've tried. Following your analogy. when the the media, and the

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-12 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2013/11/12 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be On 12 Nov 2013, at 11:54, Alberto G. Corona wrote: So what would you suggest as a replacement? The scientific method is, to paraphrase Winston Churchill on democracy, the worst system we have apart from all the others we've tried. Following your

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-12 Thread spudboy100
I agree and understand, Alberto, with your elegy. Mitch -Original Message- From: Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:42 am Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World To spudboy: Reason alone does`n move

RE: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-12 Thread Chris de Morsella
. Corona Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 1:56 AM To: everything-list Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World 2013/11/12 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net On 11/11/2013 5:04 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Every science whose conclusions have effects in politics has a high risk of being manipulated

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-12 Thread meekerdb
On 11/12/2013 4:14 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Nov 2013, at 11:54, Alberto G. Corona wrote: So what would you suggest as a replacement? The scientific method is, to paraphrase Winston Churchill on democracy, the worst system we have apart from all the others we've tried. Following

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-12 Thread Alberto G. Corona
You said it: the calentological comunity, acting as a single entity, denied their data. to scientists with different points of view. That is not science. that is a sectarian organization that, because are working with public funding are breaking not only the law and the decency, but the last bit

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-12 Thread meekerdb
On 11/12/2013 11:53 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: You said it: the calentological comunity, acting as a single entity, denied their data. to scientists with different points of view. But they didn't. They only discussed it and noted that some of the data didn't belong to them but had been

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-12 Thread Alberto G. Corona
and understand, Alberto, with your elegy. Mitch -Original Message- From: Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:42 am Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World To spudboy: Reason alone does`n move to anything, not even

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-12 Thread Alberto G. Corona
So you say that because the data was finally available against their will, they are good scientists that welcome the challenges and the scientific method? : Their practices tell absolutely the contrary. And the fact that their data leaked out is not in their merit, in the contrary. All what you

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-12 Thread meekerdb
On 11/12/2013 12:30 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: So you say that because the data was finally available against their will, they are good scientists that welcome the challenges and the scientific method? They were not compelled, they agreed to provide the data after discussing whether there

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-12 Thread LizR
On 13 November 2013 05:19, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: And the fact is that there are plenty of energy and materials everywhere. The only lacking resource is the inteligence and ingenuity of more people to learn to use them. That at least you have got right. -- You

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-12 Thread LizR
On 13 November 2013 06:40, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: I knew you didn't live on this planet or care for it's future. Quite clearly - I have my own dirt to attend to ignores the existence of the commons we all share in. If Alberto wants to move to Mars then fine, he is no longer

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-12 Thread Alberto G. Corona
As human beings they were reluctant to provide hard earned data to those who had proved to mere critics - like you - with no interest but to spread doubt. Can ever have been a more clear confession of sectarianism ? Doubt about what? about what yours affirm that is truth and must be taken as

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-12 Thread spudboy100
control medical advocates, or public health administrators, I think nobody uttered a peep, anywhere until maybe the 1950's? -Original Message- From: meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:15 pm Subject: Re: Our Demon

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-12 Thread meekerdb
On 11/12/2013 1:36 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Brent, try cruising Wikipedia. I don't know of any biologist or physician, that didn't approve of this nonsense. I am not aware of anyone speaking out authoritatively, as a scientist that opposed eugenics. Maybe you can, but I don't recall anyone

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-12 Thread spudboy100
pm Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World Thus said, because there are eternal laws, there are eternal truths. For the materialists, Konrad Lorenz said something extraordinarily profound that connect two universes of knowledge: The Kantian apriori of knowledge have been inserted in our brain/mind

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-12 Thread spudboy100
- From: meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:42 pm Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World On 11/12/2013 1:36 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Brent, trycruising Wikipedia. I don't know of any

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-12 Thread LizR
On 13 November 2013 10:55, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: if you want us to give up the bad, dirty, power, then please provide a clean, affordable, abundant substitute. Faster, please. The Sun, of course. Produces millions of times more power than we need. Trouble is the fossil fuel industry

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-12 Thread meekerdb
On 11/12/2013 3:49 PM, LizR wrote: On 13 November 2013 10:55, spudboy...@aol.com mailto:spudboy...@aol.com wrote: if you want us to give up the bad, dirty, power, then please provide a clean, affordable, abundant substitute. Faster, please. The Sun, of course. Produces millions of

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-12 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2013/11/13 LizR lizj...@gmail.com On 13 November 2013 10:55, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: if you want us to give up the bad, dirty, power, then please provide a clean, affordable, abundant substitute. Faster, please. The Sun, of course. Produces millions of times more power than we need.

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-12 Thread LizR
On 12 November 2013 22:56, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: This is laughable. Not a SINGLE article against human warming was publised in the main scientific magazines and you said that the process was perverted by the deniers? I have no option but to think that you believe en

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-12 Thread Richard Ruquist
As I see it, the problem is connecting atmospheric disaster events to global warming. I have been looking for such a connection in the scientific literature and even in AGW blogs w/o success. Before going into physics I was an undergraduate student of mechanical engineering. In our fluid dynamic

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Nov 2013, at 22:06, John Mikes wrote: Bruno and Brent: Who are you to T E L L society what it needs? I am only trying to tell society what I need, and what I think my children, my students, my friends, and all people I care about can need. (BTW: I agree perfectly with your

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
-Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Nov 10, 2013 2:49 pm Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World On 09 Nov 2013, at 19:09, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: I am emphasizing having governments print out (Keynes style

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Nov 2013, at 08:42, LizR wrote: On 10 November 2013 18:11, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/9/2013 6:13 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Let me ask you Jesse do you suggest any substitute that we can turn to for transforming world civilization to clean power? The only

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Nov 2013, at 05:52, meekerdb wrote: 3. What do you recommend if the US refuses to comply? ?? You mean the U.S. government refuses to act in the best interests of it's citizens: Vote them out. We could have meant that the US government fake to comply. Once a government lie, and

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-11 Thread LizR
On 11 November 2013 21:07, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 10 Nov 2013, at 08:42, LizR wrote: On 10 November 2013 18:11, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/9/2013 6:13 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Let me ask you Jesse do you suggest any substitute that we can turn to

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-11 Thread Alberto G. Corona
@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Alberto G. Corona *Sent:* Sunday, November 10, 2013 6:36 PM *To:* everything-list *Subject:* Re: Our Demon-Haunted World I think that, since the forces of progress and human dignity lost Siberia as the location

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-11 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 12:04 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/10/2013 2:19 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 10:05 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/10/2013 12:29 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: As I said before, I am agnostic on this issue for the

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-11 Thread LizR
The effects of global warming are visible in quite a few places around the world now. Glaciers have retreated worldwide, and the Arctic sea ice is getting thinner and not extending so far. Measurements indicate average temperatures have risen, and there are of course increased levels of

RE: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-11 Thread Chris de Morsella
Watch out the black helicopters are coming for you From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alberto G. Corona Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 1:21 AM To: everything-list Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World No. In this case I´m

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-11 Thread Alberto G. Corona
@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Alberto G. Corona *Sent:* Monday, November 11, 2013 1:21 AM *To:* everything-list *Subject:* Re: Our Demon-Haunted World No. In this case I´m not insulting, just gently defending myself, since I´m a Warmism infidel, I used to be a dangerous smoker , so

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-11 Thread spudboy100
at this article in the middle, here. Inside the magazine is a rather thick envelope. -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:06 am Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World On 11 Nov 2013, at 01:27

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