Re: Consciousness theory slammed as "pseudoscience"

Well, Observer Moments go back, at least, to Schrödinger & Wigner, if not to Boltzmann. There may be, I speculate because I am a Quantum Woo kind of guy, something baked-in to the Universe, that triggers things.  On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 07:40:35 PM EDT, Dylan Distasio wrote:

Re: Consciousness theory slammed as "pseudoscience"

I love Aaronson. I also don't see him as a signatory on that letter. I was commenting on the authors whining and winging about IIT in a publication versus just getting on with the science and publishing evidence for their theories of consciousness instead of crying about "scientific misinformat

Re: Consciousness theory slammed as "pseudoscience"

Scott Aaronson is far from "a bunch of highschoolers". Why I Am Not An Integrated Information Theorist (or, The Unconscious Expander) Recently, lots of people have been asking me what I think about IIT—no, not the Indian Institutes of Technology, but Integrated Information Theory, a widely-d

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On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 3:00 PM Jason Resch wrote: > *By its own definitions IIT is not falsifiable, for it proclaims that a > computer program that gave identical behavior in all situations to another > conscious system, would not be conscious. But since it has identical > behavior there is no o

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On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 2:43 PM Dylan Distasio wrote: *> Having read that letter, I don't find it very becoming of the scientists > writing it who should know better. Regardless of what you think about > IIT and its merits or lack thereof, it results in some predictions that can > be tested* >

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By its own definitions IIT is not falsifiable, for it proclaims that a computer program that gave identical behavior in all situations to another conscious system, would not be conscious. But since it has identical behavior there is no objective way to prove this assertion of IIT (that one system i

Re: Consciousness theory slammed as "pseudoscience"

Having read that letter, I don't find it very becoming of the scientists writing it who should know better. Regardless of what you think about IIT and its merits or lack thereof, it results in some predictions that can be tested, and while some of the work is certainly hard to carry out, it provi

Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year

n make machines cleverer than us (better at discovering inventions, not conscious things-are they like Jinns??). Will they, it, try to kill us?  -Original Message- From: Samiya Illias To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Jan 4, 2023 12:25 am Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] R

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Dhu al Qarnayn visited the Polar Regions? https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2014/06/dhu-al-qarnayn-polar-regions-of-earth.html > On 03-Jan-2023, at 11:23 PM, John Clark wrote: > > Who gives a damn what the Quran asks us to do? The people who wrote it didn't > even know where the sun wen

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On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 11:21 PM Samiya Illias wrote: > *The Quran asks us to* [...blah blah blah] Who gives a damn what the Quran asks us to do? The people who wrote it didn't even know where the sun went at night. John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis

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The Mighty Ancients! Abstract The Earth is dotted with ancient ruins.The Quran asks us to take heed from these ruins, as those civilisations were ‘greater in strength and in impression on the land’. This study explores what the Quran states about the ancients, as well as lists the discoveries of

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al Message- From: Philip Benjamin To: Everything List Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2023 10:59 am Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year [Philip Benjamin] These questions are irrelevant to WAMP-the-Ingrate!!           Questions: - Who, wh

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...@hotmail.com; everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year Ok, just to be clear you are indicating that pure, Christianity started with The Protestant Reformation? So, is Martin Luther the founder of The Church, or Henry the 8th

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it is what one can produce in real life?  -Original Message- From: Philip Benjamin To: Everything List Sent: Fri, Dec 30, 2022 3:13 pm Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year [Philip Benjamin]    . Nothing pertinent. What is relevant he

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. Nothing to do with unregenerated “conscious” states. And so many ordinary peoples besides. Philip Benjamin Friday, December 30, 2022 11:00 AM To: medinucl...@hotmail.com; everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year spudboy100

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om: Philip Benjamin To: Everything List Sent: Fri, Dec 30, 2022 10:54 am Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year general_the...@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year [Philip Benjamin]

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general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: A paranormal prediction for the next year [Philip Benjamin] I remember a high elected member of the federal government who was very conservative with respect to classical

RE: [Consciousness-Online] FW: What Threshold Threat of CO2

general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] FW: What Threshold Threat of CO2 Rosie: "why was this idea of the Holy Spirit alone never..." Philip Benjamin: Why is the idea of Sabbath and Sabbatical (especially in

Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

For me, pagan is an anagram for solar energy technology. Perovskite And Gallium Arsenide Nitride.  Flexible all-perovskite tandem solar cells with a 24.7% efficiency (techxplore.com) See? I have squared the circle, without a word about Cartesian Dualism.  Can I hear an Amen? -Original Messa

Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 6:44 PM Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: > *I say that while logic states at least one of these guys is wrong. a > Bayesian prior or regression analysis would say probability is very close > to one (100%) that both are wrong.* *I say that out of

Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

t;> Philip Benjamin >> >> ~ >> >>From: everyth...@googlegroups.com On Behalf >> Of Samiya Illias >> ‘The Quran repeatedly exhorts spending (infaq, zakat, sadaqah) and declares >> a war by Allah and His Me

Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

and His Messenger against those who consume usury > (riba). The Torah and The Gospels also condemn usury. According to the > Quran 4:159 <http://islamawakened.com/quran/4/159/>, all People of the > Book will believe in Jesus…” > > *Sent:* Sunday, May 22, 2022 7:07 P

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roups.com<mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem The Prophesy https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2016/06/the-battle.html<https://nam12.safelink

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ve in Jesus…” From: everything-list@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Samiya Illias Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2022 7:07 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem The Prophesy https://signsa

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gt; Philip Benjamin > > From: everything-list@googlegroups.com On > Behalf Of Samiya Illias > Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 8:38 PM > To: everything-list@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine > War: An Unawakened Consci

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ible matter”. Stay with science. Philip Benjamin From: everything-list@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Samiya Illias Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 8:38 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Pro

Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

> Philip Benjamin > > From: everything-list@googlegroups.com On > Be half Of Samiya Illias > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 8:19 PM > To: everything-list@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine > War: An Unawake

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-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem Back to the Future: why the Old Testament is angrier of the three scriptures! https://islam-qna.blogspot.com/2016/02/back-to-future-why-old-testament-is.html?m

Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

Tuesday, May 17, 2022 1:52 PM > To: everything-list@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine > War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem > > Permission to Fight against Unjust Regimes > http://expeditionthink.blogspot.com/2018/07/pe

RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

[Philip Benjamin] Who gives what authority to whom, how, where and why? Philip Benjamin From: everything-list@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Samiya Illias Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 1:52 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for

Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

Permission to Fight against Unjust Regimes http://expeditionthink.blogspot.com/2018/07/permission-to-fight-against-unjust.html > On 17-May-2022, at 7:13 PM, Philip Benjamin wrote: > >  > general_the...@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] RE: > Unspoken Rea

RE: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem [Philip Benjamin] What makes anything WRONG? That answer depends on why ANYTHING, rather than N

Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

.com On > Behalf Of Brent Meeker > Sent: Monday, May 9, 2022 2:44 PM > To: everything-list@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: FW: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Is Artificial Life Conscious? > > > On 5/9/2022 7:15 AM, Philip Benjamin wrote: > Philip Benjamin Monday, May 9

Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

ay, May 9, 2022 2:44 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: FW: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Is Artificial Life Conscious?     On 5/9/2022 7:15 AM, Philip Benjamin wrote: Philip Benjamin  Monday, May 9, 2022 9:13 AM 'general_the...@googlegroups.com' Subject: RE: [Conscious

Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

Life Conscious? Saturday, May 7, 2022 3:53 PM 'general_the...@googlegroups.com'general_theory@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Is Artificial Life Conscious?   [Rosemary Rock Evans] “And although I do not disagree with your idea of the immortal soul being d

Re: Consciousness research

to be part of your solipsism. > assuming that is that I'm not the only conscious being in the universe, and I > rather doubt that I am. > > > > -Original Message- > From: John Clark > To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > Sent: Sat, Nov 6, 20

Re: Consciousness research

6, 2021 7:19 am Subject: Re: Consciousness research On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 6:09 AM Lawrence Crowell wrote: > I doubt quantum gravitation and consciousness have much to do with each other. I could not agree with you more! About the only thing quantum gravity and consciousness have in comm

Re: Consciousness research

it a guess, and dismiss as desired, NP. -Original Message- From: Lawrence Crowell To: Everything List Sent: Thu, Nov 4, 2021 6:09 am Subject: Re: Consciousness research I doubt quantum gravitation and consciousness have much to do with each other. LC On Wednesday, November 3, 2021 at 7:37

Re: Consciousness research

On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 6:09 AM Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: > I doubt quantum gravitation and consciousness have much to do with each > other. I could not agree with you more! About the only thing quantum gravity and consciousness have in common is that they're bot

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an body becomes a beneficiary in this > fashion. > > > -Original Message- > From: Lawrence Crowell > To: Everything List > Sent: Wed, Nov 3, 2021 7:08 pm > Subject: Re: Consciousness research > > > Welcome back Philip. Long time since I heard from you. W

Re: Consciousness research

nd pharmacology is a sure beneficiary of AI, and thus the human body becomes a beneficiary in this fashion.  -Original Message- From: Lawrence Crowell To: Everything List Sent: Wed, Nov 3, 2021 7:08 pm Subject: Re: Consciousness research Welcome back Philip. Long time since I heard f

Re: Consciousness research

hers-find-human-learning-can-be-duplicated-in-solid-matter >> >> The method seemingly can be imitated. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Bruno Marchal >> To: Everything List >> Sent: Wed, Sep 8, 2021 9:10 am >> Subject: Re: C

Re: Consciousness research

> > The method seemingly can be imitated. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Bruno Marchal > To: Everything List > Sent: Wed, Sep 8, 2021 9:10 am > Subject: Re: Consciousness research > > It is never to late, but I guess they remain in the Aristotelian &g

Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Dark Matter: How Physics Overlooks Chemistry?

Ben frames foggy headed ideas of physics with religious nonsense. It is just pure rubbish is all. I also am not a partisan of any quantum interpretation either. I see these as unprovable or indemonstrable hypotheses about quantum physics. LC On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 8:20:21 PM UTC-5

Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Dark Matter: How Physics Overlooks Chemistry?

Just say you will use the knowledge you possess to make life better. Nobody else on the mailing list can really claim this, now can they LC?The Paganism statement reminds me of the Jewish Physics by Phillipe Lenard & Johannes Stark. Or a bit closer to the aryan theory espoused by Ousepensky and

Re: Consciousness research

The method seemingly can be imitated. -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal To: Everything List Sent: Wed, Sep 8, 2021 9:10 am Subject: Re: Consciousness research It is never to late, but I guess they remain in the Aristotelian framework, which makes them impossible to take into account

Re: Consciousness research

It is never to late, but I guess they remain in the Aristotelian framework, which makes them impossible to take into account the elementary consequences of Mechanism in metaphysics. If you can sum up their approaches or just tell me their basic hypotheses ... In my university, it too time, but

Re: [Consciousness-Online] pagans vs non pagans and the hubbub about Sabbath in the US Senate

d have the right to sue a teacher who taught that 2+2=5, or that Earth is flat, or that cannabis is more dangerous than alcool. Freedom of religion is a freedom of lying. It is a subtle form of imposed barbarianism…. Bruno > Philip Benjamin > > Subject: Re: [Consci

RE: [Consciousness-Online] pagans vs non pagans and the hubbub about Sabbath in the US Senate

(singular) Elohim (uni-plural). It is MORE scientific to deal with the aseity of LIFE than that of dead matter. Philip Benjamin Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] pagans vs non pagans and the hubbub about Sabbath in the US Senate On 26 Mar 2021, at 21:13, Philip Benjamin mailto:medinucl

Re: [Consciousness-Online] pagans vs non pagans and the hubbub about Sabbath in the US Senate

By RON KAMPEAS 25 March 2021, > https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/06/politics/trump-impeachment-lawyer-pause-trial-for-jewish-sabbath/index.html > > <https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/06/politics/trump-impeachment-lawyer-pause-trial-for-jewish-sabbath/index.html> > > Senate Majority L

RE: [Consciousness-Online] pagans vs non pagans and the hubbub about Sabbath in the US Senate

ys [David Schoen] to halt Trump's impeachment trial during the Jewish Sabbath. Philip Benjamin Sunday, March 21, 2021 12:11 PM Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] pagans vs non pagans [Philip Benjamin] Paganism hates FREEDOMs which Non-paganism considers as birthrights. 1 . https://www.d

RE: [Consciousness-Online] pagans vs non pagans

Hey! I don't make the rules, I just live here for a while. All I am thinking was that if you want to get a big mind from ex nihilo, the Boltzmann factor is a great way to do this, and seems enjoyable as well. I mean He She It popped out of nowhere from our meager pov, and 17 years ago Andreas A

RE: [Consciousness-Online] pagans vs non pagans

[Philip Benjamin] Viewing God as the Universe is a working theory for some scholars of science who assume that it “kind of lend itself to Boltzmann Brain fascination” and ”as an American philosopher Jack Handey once wrote that they say that a little bit of God is inside everyone's heart”.

Re: [Consciousness-Online] fancy a mystic?

> On 23 Feb 2021, at 15:45, Philip Benjamin wrote: > > Philip Benjamin general_the...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] > fancy a mystic? > > [Philip Benjamin]Answer to Roland: >Physical Res

Re: [Consciousness-Online] fancy a mystic?

> On 21 Feb 2021, at 15:50, Philip Benjamin wrote: > > general_the...@googlegroups.com <mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com> > Subject: RE: [Consciousness-Online] fancy a mystic? > > [Philip Benjamin] > Eastern world was engulfed in the mysticism of the unk

RE: [Consciousness-Online] fancy a mystic?

s. It was far easier for Rabbi Saul of Tarsus to communicate with the Athenians (Acts 17) than the Doubting Thomas to deal with Indian mystics, though both had difficult access to the Roman Jewish colonies and the Cochin Jewish colony respectively. [Philip Benjamin] From: Roland Cichowski

RE: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds")

Pagan(ism). Philip Benjamin From: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 3:44 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds") On 2/20/2021 12:22 PM, Phil

Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds")

On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 4:44 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 2/20/2021 12:22 PM, Philip Benjamin wrote: > > >> When the last breath was gone, life ceased. So the ancients considered > soul/spirit of life as something akin to wind. > > >That

Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds")

On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 3:22 PM Philip Benjamin wrote: > *>Points do not mix with numbers* > Points are just numbers on the real number line, converting one to the other is easy > * > in the same frame of reference.* > Neither points nor numbers are in any "frame of reference" because that i

Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds")

On 2/20/2021 12:22 PM, Philip Benjamin wrote: When the last breath was gone, life ceased. So the ancients considered soul/spirit of life as something akin to wind. That's why the Pythagoreans forbade eating beans. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google G

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wind. Had they known bio dark matter with its chemistry, most likely they might have used that instead!!! Philip Benjamin From: everything-list@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 12:32 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Onli

Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds")

On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 9:42 AM Philip Benjamin wrote: > *You are entirely right to sate: “400 years ago Galileo found a way of > converting one reference frame to another that worked very well as long as > the speeds involved we're not extremely large, and when they were Einstein > found a way 1

RE: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds")

1:27 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds") On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 10:13 AM Philip Benjamin mailto:medinucl...@hotmail.com>> wrote: > One has to stick with the same frame of r

Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds")

Am Fr, 19. Feb 2021, um 21:18, schrieb 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List: > > > On 2/19/2021 8:03 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> Am Fr, 19. Feb 2021, um 05:59, schrieb 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List: >>> >>> >>> On 2/18/2021 8:54 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: God is One and Only! >

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On 2/19/2021 8:03 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Am Fr, 19. Feb 2021, um 05:59, schrieb 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List: On 2/18/2021 8:54 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: God is One and Only! But /*which*/ one and only God?  Agdistis or Angdistis, Ah Puch, Ahura Mazda, Alberich, Allah, Amaterasu

Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds")

source. ** *Philip Benjamin* *From:* 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List *Sent:* Thursday, February 18, 2021 1:55 PM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds") It's not &quo

Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds")

On 2/19/2021 4:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Feb 2021, at 06:59, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 2/18/2021 8:54 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: God is One and Only! But /*which*/ one and only God?  Agdistis or Angdistis, Ah Puch, Ah

Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds")

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 10:13 AM Philip Benjamin wrote: > *One has to stick with the same frame of reference in any reasonable > argument.* > No, you are entirely wrong and way way behind the times. 400 years ago Galileo found a way of converting one reference frame to another that worked very

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Am Fr, 19. Feb 2021, um 05:59, schrieb 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List: > > > On 2/18/2021 8:54 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: >> God is One and Only! > > But **which** one and only God? Agdistis or Angdistis, Ah Puch, Ahura Mazda, > Alberich, Allah, Amaterasu, An, Anansi, Anat, Andvari, Ansha

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The weak interactions between 'light' and 'dark' chemical bonds (spin governed particle configurations) could very well be the source. Philip Benjamin From: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 1:55 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups

RE: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds")

[Philip Benjamin] That is begging the question (petitio principii). From: everything-list@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Samiya Illias Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 10:55 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions

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As a result of postmodern, relativistic philosophies, in their place are often contradictory and foolish arguments." John Loeffler. Philip Benjamin From: everything-list@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 4:14 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com S

Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds")

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 8:24 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: *> In Cantor’s mind, GOD was the complete infinities of all sets.* > Cantor was a great mathematician but a terrible philosopher, He is a good example of an intellectual who is willing to abandon the idea of God but not the word "G-o-d"; Accor

Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds")

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 7:57 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> *God is One and Only!* >> >> >> But *which* one and only God? > > > > None of them, as the only one has no name. That was understood by Plato > [blah blah] > That's a good example of something that sounds profound but is not. A name for s

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> On 19 Feb 2021, at 11:43, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 11:54 PM Samiya Illias > wrote: > > > God is One and Only! > > I don't think so, I don't think God is 1, although of course that depends > entirely on what "God" means. If God is an omni

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> On 19 Feb 2021, at 06:59, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/18/2021 8:54 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: >> God is One and Only! > > But which one and only God? Agdistis or Angdistis, Ah Puch, Ahura Mazda, > Alberich, Allah, Amaterasu, An, Anansi, Anat, Andvari, Anshar,

Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds")

On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 11:54 PM Samiya Illias wrote: *> God is One and Only! * > I don't think so, I don't think God is 1, although of course that depends entirely on what "God" means. If God is an omnipotent omniscient mind that created the Universe then God is zero. But if "God" is a mindless

Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds")

On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 10:50 AM Philip Benjamin wrote: *> **Infinity1 + Infinity2 + Infinity3 = 1 Infinity.* Not necessarily. Not if "1 Infinity" Is the number of integers and "infinity2" or "infinity3" is the number of points on a line. John K Clark -- You received this message because yo

Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds")

> On 19-Feb-2021, at 12:05 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: > >  > Holy Quran 17:110 > -- > قُلِ ادْعُوا اللَّهَ أَوِ ادْعُوا الرَّحْمَٰنَ ۖ أَيًّا مَّا تَدْعُوا فَلَهُ > الْأَسْمَاءُ الْحُسْنَىٰ ۚ وَلَا تَجْهَرْ بِصَلَاتِكَ وَلَا تُخَافِتْ بِهَا > وَابْتَغِ بَيْنَ ذَٰلِكَ سَبِيلًا >

Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds")

Holy Quran 17:110 -- قُلِ ادْعُوا اللَّهَ أَوِ ادْعُوا الرَّحْمَٰنَ ۖ أَيًّا مَّا تَدْعُوا فَلَهُ الْأَسْمَاءُ الْحُسْنَىٰ ۚ وَلَا تَجْهَرْ بِصَلَاتِكَ وَلَا تُخَافِتْ بِهَا وَابْتَغِ بَيْنَ ذَٰلِكَ سَبِيلًا Say, "Call upon Allah or call upon the Most Merciful. Whichever [name] y

Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds")

On 2/18/2021 8:54 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: God is One and Only! But /*which*/ one and only God? Agdistis or Angdistis, Ah Puch, Ahura Mazda, Alberich, Allah, Amaterasu, An, Anansi, Anat, Andvari, Anshar, Anu, Aphrodite, Apollo, Apsu, Ares, Artemis, Asclepius, Athena, Athirat, Athtart, Atla

Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds")

God is One and Only! > On 18-Feb-2021, at 8:50 PM, Philip Benjamin wrote: > > “Not He begets and not He is begotten” of the Koran 112 may be > applicable to Adonai (plural) but not the prophetic Incarnation of YHWH > (singular) in the form of the Messiah at Bethlehem. Here, Infinity1 +

Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds")

It's not "taboo".  It's non-existent because we don't know what dark-matter is.  It's like saying the genetics of Big Foot are taboo because we're not studying them.  There are an infinite number to "possibilities" that are not being studies for the simple reason that nobody thinks they're wort

RE: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds")

ng-list@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Samiya Illias Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 11:22 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com<mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds") Sal

Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds")

Salam alaikum These might be of interest: https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/06/draft-all-about-nafs.html https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2017/05/human-body-or-soul.html > > > So, I think we are saying the same thing here. Therefore the issue is, why do > we seem to be disagre

RE: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds")

cal, inflexible task based path. Here one does not think about much more than getting routines done. A more spatial, tolerant and relaxed open mode thinking will require breaking ranks with the establishment swamp. Philip Benjamin From: general_the...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Roland Cichowsk

Re: Consciousness and number self-reference (was Re: A universe where everything exists?)

> On 19 Dec 2020, at 00:59, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 1:57:28 PM UTC-6 medinuclear wrote: > [Telmo Menezes] > > “Imagine the "universe" in terms of the set of all first-person experience > moments of all of its inhabitants. Is there a limit to novelty here?

Re: Consciousness and number self-reference (was Re: A universe where everything exists?)

able and the sensible. Bruno >> Philip Benjamin >> >> >> >> From: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> Thursday, December 17, 2020 2:15 PM >> everything-list@googlegroups.com <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com> >

Re: Consciousness and number self-reference (was Re: A universe where everything exists?)

n experience. There is no trans-speciation here form > lower animal to a higher animal!! > *Philip Benjamin*** > > > *From:* 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > Thursday, December 17, 2020 2:15 PM > everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Cons

Re: Consciousness and number self-reference (was Re: A universe where everything exists?)

On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 1:57:28 PM UTC-6 medinuclear wrote: > [*Telmo Menezes*] > > “Imagine the "universe" in terms of the set of all first-person experience > moments of all of its inhabitants. Is there a limit to novelty here? Or can > qualia also display unbounded complexity?” > > [*

RE: Consciousness and number self-reference (was Re: A universe where everything exists?)

rated in Augustinian first person experience. There is no trans-speciation here form lower animal to a higher animal!! Philip Benjamin From: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List Thursday, December 17, 2020 2:15 PM everything-list@googlegroups.com<mailto:everything-list@googlegro

Re: Consciousness and number self-reference (was Re: A universe where everything exists?)

> On 17 Dec 2020, at 21:15, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 12/16/2020 11:29 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> Am Do, 17. Dez 2020, um 03:08, schrieb 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List: >>> >>> >>> On 12/16/2020 9:20 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Am So, 13. Dez 2020

Re: Consciousness and number self-reference (was Re: A universe where everything exists?)

> On 16 Dec 2020, at 18:20, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > Am So, 13. Dez 2020, um 17:11, schrieb Bruno Marchal: >> >>> On 10 Dec 2020, at 16:14, Telmo Menezes >> > wrote: >>> >>> Mindey asked a very interesting question, and I've been thinking about it >>> whil

Re: Consciousness and number self-reference (was Re: A universe where everything exists?)

Am Do, 17. Dez 2020, um 20:15, schrieb 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List: > > > On 12/16/2020 11:29 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> Am Do, 17. Dez 2020, um 03:08, schrieb 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List: >>> >>> >>> On 12/16/2020 9:20 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Am So, 13. Dez 2020,

Re: Consciousness and number self-reference (was Re: A universe where everything exists?)

On Sun, Dec 13, 2020, 14:11 Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 10 Dec 2020, at 16:14, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > Mindey asked a very interesting question, and I've been thinking about it > while following the discussion. I don't have a good answer, but I might > have a good question. I propose another ta

Re: Consciousness and number self-reference (was Re: A universe where everything exists?)

On 12/16/2020 11:29 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Am Do, 17. Dez 2020, um 03:08, schrieb 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List: On 12/16/2020 9:20 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Am So, 13. Dez 2020, um 17:11, schrieb Bruno Marchal: On 10 Dec 2020, at 16:14, Telmo Menezes

Re: Consciousness and number self-reference (was Re: A universe where everything exists?)

Am Do, 17. Dez 2020, um 03:08, schrieb 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List: > > > On 12/16/2020 9:20 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> Am So, 13. Dez 2020, um 17:11, schrieb Bruno Marchal: >>> On 10 Dec 2020, at 16:14, Telmo Menezes wrote: Mindey asked a very interesting question, an

Re: Consciousness and number self-reference (was Re: A universe where everything exists?)

On 12/16/2020 9:20 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Am So, 13. Dez 2020, um 17:11, schrieb Bruno Marchal: On 10 Dec 2020, at 16:14, Telmo Menezes > wrote: Mindey asked a very interesting question, and I've been thinking about it while following the discussion. I don'

Re: Consciousness and number self-reference (was Re: A universe where everything exists?)

Am Di, 15. Dez 2020, um 21:32, schrieb Lawrence Crowell: > I think with cyber-neural interlinks where we will have thoughts and > sensations communicated we will come maybe to some understanding. The barrier > between subjectivity and objectivity will be at least partially penetrated. You can ha

Re: Consciousness and number self-reference (was Re: A universe where everything exists?)

Am Di, 15. Dez 2020, um 02:22, schrieb 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List: > I agree. I'm an advocate of the engineering solution to the "hard problem > of consciousness". When we can build AI's that act intelligently and explain > their conscious thoughts and we can adjust them so that they a

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