[FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, yes. The 12 houses and the zodiac would apply on any of those distant worlds. Their solar system may or may not have the same nine planets that we're using here on Earth. But the same impulses of intelligence would have to be calculated in its own solar system. I believe this is the reason why Patanjali wrote in his yoga sutras that samyama on the sun brings forth knowledge of the world. IOW, life on these earthlike exoplanets can be described by the same zodiac signs that are pertinent here on our earth. Doesn't that make sense? It depends on how astrology might work. Consciousness requires a sophisticated brain to operate, maybe they are affected by gravity which is the only known force to be infinite in extent, and therefore affects things at great distance unlike the other known forces which are locally contained like the ones that hold atoms apart. Trouble is, if gravity is the culprit then planets are out of the picture because they are too distant to affect us more than, say, a lorry going past on the road. And the extra distances put between us and them at various times in our orbit - that the ancients didn't know about - would affect any charts too much for them to be reliable, not that they are. So you can cross gravity off the list of influences, and any other field for the same reasons. John Hagelin claims there is a link between planets and parts of the brain forged by quantum superposition between atoms during the big bang. John Hagelin should be stripped of his PHD and publicly ridiculed for even daring to utter bullshit like this that he knows is complete bollocks. But he wants you to continue coughing up for yagyas and charts. Or maybe he's so dumb he believes it? Nah, it's all part of the con of using science ideas to justify their beliefs. If astrology is real - and there is absolutely no reason to suppose it is - I would avoid travelling to other planets. Just think what being on Mars would do to someone with Jupiter strong in their chart! You're about 100 million miles closer to it! And what affect will Earth have on us? Just think if there is some physical force connecting us to planets surely the one we stand on would swamp any effect from the others, or doesn't ours count? So your question makes sense if astrological affects are real, different worlds around different stars will have different types of influences according to however the types of planets and their distance from brains might affect their owners. It would have to be a universal effect. Trouble is, I think it's an ancient superstition that clings on into the modern world by virtue of it's malleable vagueness. I don't think it's a very good explanation for anything at all, especially destiny and personality. Probably why NASA left it out of the equation when they planned the trip to the moon. Fun concept to ponder though...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com If astrology is real - and there is absolutely no reason to suppose it is - I would avoid travelling to other planets. Just think what being on Mars would do to someone with Jupiter strong in their chart! You're about 100 million miles closer to it! And what affect will Earth have on us? Just think if there is some physical force connecting us to planets surely the one we stand on would swamp any effect from the others, or doesn't ours count? One Martian colonist to another: I have Earth in the first house. What does that make me? Earth doesn't do diddley-squat to you, no matter where it appears in your 'chart', but a belief in astrology by definition makes you a gullible idiot. I thought that the psychological tests for astronauts were supposed to screen out people like you.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
Give us back the CIA as an enemy, at least that was fun before they realized we were harmless. These channelers and rumormongers are fools and don't qualify as enemies.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Duped into thinking you could fly?
On 10/13/2014 6:58 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I'm willing to join that class action suit! /So, you got duped. //Some people are very susceptible to suggestion. Who is to say you're not being duped into responding to this planted message? It has already been established that you report to John Knapp at the TM-Free blog. // // //However, it does take some courage to admit that you were so dumb you actually moved up there and lived in a pod for two years, working in a hot kitchen for free and being forced to get inside a golden dome, get down on your knees and pray to Hindu gods muttering non-sense gibberish for hours - to help you learn how to levitate. What were you thinking?// // //It sounds like maybe you were put into a trance-induction state. In some individuals being in a cult for so long can produce signs of cognitive dissonance. This condition can be exacerbated when conflicts occur and a victim gets kicked out of the cult for questioning authority or for breaking the rules of the cult leader. You probably had to hitch-hike or take a bus back to your parents in the middle of the night. When this happens the victims usually go to see a cult-exit counselor to get help, or in severe cases they visit a psychiatrist. If not treated, the symptoms may lead to a break with reality. Sometimes the condition may become chronic and obsessive and might interfere with a person's social intercourse, their ability to apply common sense or seek normal employment. In some severe cases, victims might be eligible for medical welfare due to an almost complete incapacitation to do anything except read social media.// // //P.S. There is a nice ocean front property out in Arizona for sale and they would probably sell it to you real cheap. From the front door you can see the Pacific. If you'll buy that, they will probably throw in the golden gate for free./ *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 2:32 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Duped into thinking you could fly? I think they should also be sued for encouraging littering! I tried one of these energy drinks once, never again. I was frothing at the mouth and babbling all night. Highly speedy. I can't believe they are legal for adults let alone children, and some people knock them back like I drink water! I think a class action suit against the TMO would be workable and lucrative because it's actually taught that the TMSP develops paranormal powers (the clue is in the name) and they even publish scientific lectures about how it works to entice the unwary into thinking there's a physical basis for it all. Given the amount of time I spent doing it when I could have been earning a decent crust, I would say that a round figure of £1 million ought to ease the pain of still being held to the ground by gravity. I might want an extra million to compensate me for the embarrassment of having to admit I fell for it too. Now we can watch the TB's claiming they only learnt for self improvement reasons and don;t care that they never developed any magical powers. Insert spluttering protests here: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Did you fall for the hype about being able to levitate? Are you angry about the cash you lost chasing that dream of flying? Do your friends and acquaintances now laugh at you for being so credulous? Good news! You may be entitled to compensation. Energy drink Red Bull settled two class-action lawsuits this week, agreeing to pay $13 million because their famous slogan 'Red Bull gives you wings' isn't true. Anyone who bought a drink from January 1, 2002 to October 3, 2014 is eligible to receive a $10 cash payment - regardless of whether there was a receipt for proof. Here's one of the ads they ran. If people can now sue for such obviously idiotic claims it only goes to show what a dumbed-down society we are living in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K31dg86OmuM
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
This is outrageous! Of course the scientific research applies to both schools. They are teaching the same thing! Do you think Newtons laws of gravity, discovered when he was at Cambridge, shouldn't be studied at Oxford? Of course not, knowledge belongs to everyone and no one. When you do science you add (or hope to) to the endless store of man's knowledge about himself and the world. That is the point of it, it doesn't exist just as cheap advertising to further the aims of special interest groups no matter how reliant you are on it. This a genuine low point for the TMO, they should come to their senses and retract this lawsuit, you cannot copyright science (in a sane world) It's done for the betterment of all mankind. They are destined to lose and look like a bunch of greedy corporate lowlifes. The only way they'll be able to convince anyone is if they demonstrate that Knoles isn't teaching TM anymore. Which they won't obviously. Whether the teachers that taught in the studies were certified by the TMO is irrelevant to whether the research is accurate, anyone can use the findings of science to enrich or criticise, add to their own ideas or debunk. If King Tony and raja Hagelin have any scientific curiosity left in them they would censure this legal cocksucker and send him back to whatever slime pit he crawled from. What next Buck, suing people here for having opinions that are contrary to the accepted right way of thinking? If you aren't careful you may get what you wish for and the TMO will end up with all the credibility of Scientology. Yeah, I know it's in that ballpark already with most people who have experienced it's inner workings, but I'm talking about the public in general. No one is going to think this is a good idea because it quite simply isn't. Is this what it comes down to, checking for copyright infringement at paranormal conventions? It doesn't sound like the Age of Enlightenment. I hope Thom Knoles wins and the TMO gets massive egg on its face. Knoles declined and largely defended his biography. His attorney said he did learn under the Maharishi, was personally awarded an honorary doctorate by him, and had become an acclaimed teacher of yoga by age 20. Oddly enough, the foundation hasn't sued Knoles, for strategic reasons Zaiger said were confidential. Instead, it filed a lawsuit in 2011 against The Meditation House, an Iowa corporation owned by life coach Jules Green, who promotes Vedic Meditation on her website. The lawsuit seeks an order preventing Green from mentioning transcendental meditation studies in her advertising,” http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/ http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/ Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi). That is interesting. 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal department together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions. -Buck steve.sundur wrote : Sal, .. Your strict adherence to everything science has dulled your sensitivity to nuance. You've got that knee jerk, TM bash move down pat. mjackson74@... wrote : Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer to Sal on this he is in a position to know. Sal writing: It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who quit when Marshy put the price up so high it put them out of business. They have a few centres and hold courses in a country house where they teach the TMSP too. The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there isn't much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy. I know people who go on their courses, they always tell me that I musn't mention it to people in the movement, which
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hagelin's Response to Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting
You think you are meditating in the Dome for us, you are emotionally doing it for yourself, to feel good about what you are doing, but you are ACTUALLY doing it for the good (meaning the monetary good and the ego/hubris/we are the saviors of the world of the TMO) From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hagelin's Response to Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting I feel this is completely unfair and unrealistic: “What other group would proactively attempt to squelch it, as Raja (that's ludicrous in itself) Hagelin did? Groups certainly defend themselves against others and have a right to do that for survival against others. That is part of the life of having groups to belong to. Well run corporations do it. Well run countries do this by running vision and mission. Let me quote to you George Washington or Abraham Lincoln or Winston. Actually I have paraphrased them all and many others many times here. They certainly were effective leaders doing what they came to do in time and Hagelin too. But you people, are as cold and immovable as stone weight. Is it no wonder that you are so withdrawn to the blessings of the movement? Like Buddha the compassionate one on earth we meditate in the Dome here for you, Let there be Peace, -Buck Subject:[FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting It is the job of a good leadership to cheer-lead the corporate [communal] mission and organization for life in the organization to be effective. I can understand that you may have trouble with this. That is okay as some people 'do groups' better than others. That is a characteristic or skill-set that comes in combination proly somewhere between nature and nurture. But I would expect that John Hagelin should respond and set the record straight as to where the main-line existing TM community is with this. -Buck It certainly is okay that John Hagelin is leading the group this way. Our group here. Not many are able this way. He has my support and I wish him well in success for all of us meditating here, -Buck Still in the Dome turquoiseb wrote : From:feste37 This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on assessing the content, why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished that anyone is taking this seriously. While I agree that the whole scenario is too silly for words, what does it say about the incredible gullibility and susceptibility of TMers *that* it's being taken seriously? In what other group would its members actually fall for this? What other group would proactively attempt to squelch it, as Raja (that's ludicrous in itself) Hagelin did? This is great theater. I hope *some* reporters actually attend, and write it up or do a TV bit about it. Can't you just imagine the headline/teaser? Leaders Of TM Cult Freak Out Over Advice From Beyond The Grave Sent By Original Sexy Sadie Guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi MJ; Son, you're as bad as Hamas (Abdel Aziz Ali Abdul Majid al-Rantisi, for instance ) and not much better with your constant attack denying even the right of the very existence of the main-line TM community. -Buck mjackson74 wrote : Buck, I can't believe that here you are a grown man, able to drive a tractor, write letters, brew coffee, tend to sheep and everything and you act like you just fell off the turnip truck. Hagelin, Morris, Raja Tony and all the other pin heads that run the Movement don't give a crap what the main line TM community think. They all think that whatever they tell the TM'ers is what the TM community should believe even if it directly contradicts what they have said in the past. Marshy taught them to do this and if you can't see that, then you need to go live in an ashram where you don't have to drive or be out in society or nothing cause you coping and understanding skills would seem to be minimal.
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
Yep, I never had much interest in being super rich, or famous, just happy, and successful, with myself, my family, and my friends, which can be enough of a challenge, if you always dream big. Those that go after fame and fortune, dedicate themselves 100% to the goal. And they succeed. Some of these people in interviews, express, how, at the age of five or so, they wanted to be on stage, or vowed to themselves, to be rich. Very one-pointed. I am happy, and ordinary, and ecstatic right now, as it has just started *pouring rain*, a sound I haven't heard since one night in the mountains, back in March! Jai Guru WATER! Such a soothing sound for us all, in this drought. Yay! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Oh, I missed this from Barry. Barry, this is attempt on your part, to remind yourself of this, right? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Turq: There is NO ONE on this forum who has accomplished much of *anything* with their lives, as measured by either riches or fame. Certainly no TM TB on this forum has ever accomplished much of anything. What is WRONG with reminding these people how fuckin' ORDINARY they are? Hey, I'm pretty fucking cool, and my resentment is that for 29 years, I was always trying to prove to myself that TM was the reason for my impressiveness. Turns out, I was always cool, always a writer/inventor, always creative, always full of hope and love for living. So there's the concept: whatever we did have by way of excellencies Maharishi TOOK FUCKING CREDIT FOR ALL OF IT. Now that's Grand Theft. If you had coattails, the movement wanted a free ride on them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?
this is superstitious hubris beyond superstitious hubris to think a made up lets make ourselves feel better about the big ol' bad world we live in mythology would effect the entire universe!!! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 2:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, yes. The 12 houses and the zodiac would apply on any of those distant worlds. Their solar system may or may not have the same nine planets that we're using here on Earth. But the same impulses of intelligence would have to be calculated in its own solar system. I believe this is the reason why Patanjali wrote in his yoga sutras that samyama on the sun brings forth knowledge of the world. IOW, life on these earthlike exoplanets can be described by the same zodiac signs that are pertinent here on our earth. Doesn't that make sense? It depends on how astrology might work. Consciousness requires a sophisticated brain to operate, maybe they are affected by gravity which is the only known force to be infinite in extent, and therefore affects things at great distance unlike the other known forces which are locally contained like the ones that hold atoms apart. Trouble is, if gravity is the culprit then planets are out of the picture because they are too distant to affect us more than, say, a lorry going past on the road. And the extra distances put between us and them at various times in our orbit - that the ancients didn't know about - would affect any charts too much for them to be reliable, not that they are. So you can cross gravity off the list of influences, and any other field for the same reasons. John Hagelin claims there is a link between planets and parts of the brain forged by quantum superposition between atoms during the big bang. John Hagelin should be stripped of his PHD and publicly ridiculed for even daring to utter bullshit like this that he knows is complete bollocks. But he wants you to continue coughing up for yagyas and charts. Or maybe he's so dumb he believes it? Nah, it's all part of the con of using science ideas to justify their beliefs. If astrology is real - and there is absolutely no reason to suppose it is - I would avoid travelling to other planets. Just think what being on Mars would do to someone with Jupiter strong in their chart! You're about 100 million miles closer to it! And what affect will Earth have on us? Just think if there is some physical force connecting us to planets surely the one we stand on would swamp any effect from the others, or doesn't ours count? So your question makes sense if astrological affects are real, different worlds around different stars will have different types of influences according to however the types of planets and their distance from brains might affect their owners. It would have to be a universal effect. Trouble is, I think it's an ancient superstition that clings on into the modern world by virtue of it's malleable vagueness. I don't think it's a very good explanation for anything at all, especially destiny and personality. Probably why NASA left it out of the equation when they planned the trip to the moon. Fun concept to ponder though...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Great! PS You could go trick or treating, on horseback! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : It is a tough thing to admit, but I like several flavors** of the zombie pudding at the supermarket, that sits on the shelves, forever, without refrigeration, that will basically survive a nuclear blast, with flavor and texture, intact. I don't want to know how they do it, but it is tasty. **(Chocolate, Chocolate fudge, and Tapioca -- a distant third)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic FLYING YES!!
Nice! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : To paraphrase Yoko Ono, even just one inch in the air you are flying in the sky! Jai Guru Dev,Jai Maharishi!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
You are being too kind - they have already proven the Marshy Effect is bullshit, but in typical Movement fashion, they take what is proof of it not working and claim it is in fact working. The infamous Washington DC project where the crime rate actually increased is oneof those proofs, yet Hagelin who won the IgNoble prize for physics for saying so claimed that the crime rate actually DECREASED 18% from what it would have been had they not been doing TMSP there. I'm not sure if he ever revealed what crystal ball he used to be able to know what things would have been like if they hadn't been there. Its the very same bullshit Marshy always used - someone is about to jump off a building thinking they can fly after rounding for months on end and that ass would claim something good is happening cuz it was stress leaving the body. anything to claim effects for TM that aren't there so they can make more money selling it. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:07 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now Permanent peace? We could sure use that right now. I for one, hope that this project works. and as usual, I commend the optimists for trying things that seem bizarre to the rest of us. This is what science is all about, daring to think outside the box and test the boundaries, we'd never have learnt anything if we'd didn't ask questions and been content thinking that the Earth was flat. Another principle of science is that, if a theory is found to be null during the testing stage and no supporting evidence is found, the idea is abandoned in favour of a more likely explanation. Can I request that the TMO does this in the event of world peace not manifesting and publicly declare that TM doesn't appear to have any effect on world events. And I humbly request that they definitely don't don't start coming up with thin excuses like there is too much stress in collective consciousness and then having another big fundraising round for the next coherence project. Ta. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : today on Maharishi Channel 3, progress report on 50,000 new Yogic Flyers within 3 months, to create Permanent Peace right now, so many pictures of thousands of blissful yogis flying high! can be seen right now by sliding back in time a bit on Maharishi Channel 3 Maharishi Channel 3 New Time Slider. Watch up to 12 hours of past programmes. Click on the time line to choose earlier broadcast. MORE... View on maharishichannel.inPreview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
Its all about the money Sal - the Movement is trying to protect its pocket book. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:47 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement This is outrageous! Of course the scientific research applies to both schools. They are teaching the same thing! Do you think Newtons laws of gravity, discovered when he was at Cambridge, shouldn't be studied at Oxford? Of course not, knowledge belongs to everyone and no one. When you do science you add (or hope to) to the endless store of man's knowledge about himself and the world. That is the point of it, it doesn't exist just as cheap advertising to further the aims of special interest groups no matter how reliant you are on it. This a genuine low point for the TMO, they should come to their senses and retract this lawsuit, you cannot copyright science (in a sane world) It's done for the betterment of all mankind. They are destined to lose and look like a bunch of greedy corporate lowlifes. The only way they'll be able to convince anyone is if they demonstrate that Knoles isn't teaching TM anymore. Which they won't obviously. Whether the teachers that taught in the studies were certified by the TMO is irrelevant to whether the research is accurate, anyone can use the findings of science to enrich or criticise, add to their own ideas or debunk. If King Tony and raja Hagelin have any scientific curiosity left in them they would censure this legal cocksucker and send him back to whatever slime pit he crawled from. What next Buck, suing people here for having opinions that are contrary to the accepted right way of thinking? If you aren't careful you may get what you wish for and the TMO will end up with all the credibility of Scientology. Yeah, I know it's in that ballpark already with most people who have experienced it's inner workings, but I'm talking about the public in general. No one is going to think this is a good idea because it quite simply isn't. Is this what it comes down to, checking for copyright infringement at paranormal conventions? It doesn't sound like the Age of Enlightenment. I hope Thom Knoles wins and the TMO gets massive egg on its face. Knoles declined and largely defended his biography. His attorney said he did learn under the Maharishi, was personally awarded an honorary doctorate by him, and had become an acclaimed teacher of yoga by age 20. Oddly enough, the foundation hasn't sued Knoles, for strategic reasons Zaiger said were confidential. Instead, it filed a lawsuit in 2011 against The Meditation House, an Iowa corporation owned by life coach Jules Green, who promotes Vedic Meditation on her website. The lawsuit seeks an order preventing Green from mentioning transcendental meditation studies in her advertising,” http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/ Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi). That is interesting. 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal department together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions. -Buck steve.sundur wrote : Sal, .. Your strict adherence to everything science has dulled your sensitivity to nuance. You've got that knee jerk, TM bash move down pat. mjackson74@... wrote : Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer to Sal on this he is in a position to know. Sal writing: It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who quit when Marshy put the price up so high it put them out of business. They have a few centres and hold courses in a country house where they teach the TMSP too. The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there isn't much they can do as all the teachers were trained by
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hagelin's Response to Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting
Buck, if you have happened to have read Michael' posts here, he seems very passionate in what he feels is right, not cold at all. And all of us here have had the 'blessings' of the movement and it has produced what you see here on FFL. The result is as varied as life itself. Maybe only 10% of those who learn TM stick with it, and 90% end up doing something else or just stopping. Those who drop off but do something else that works for them, be happy for them. Some drift off the spiritual path, and some reach the end of the path and walk off (the only rational thing to do in that case). Those that oppose the movement are testing its mettle, its truthfulness, its integrity, for they find it wanting. The ones that are dangerous are the ones that remain on the path forever; they are the ones that have truly failed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You think you are meditating in the Dome for us, you are emotionally doing it for yourself, to feel good about what you are doing, but you are ACTUALLY doing it for the good (meaning the monetary good and the ego/hubris/we are the saviors of the world of the TMO) From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hagelin's Response to Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting I feel this is completely unfair and unrealistic: “What other group would proactively attempt to squelch it, as Raja (that's ludicrous in itself) Hagelin did? Groups certainly defend themselves against others and have a right to do that for survival against others. That is part of the life of having groups to belong to. Well run corporations do it. Well run countries do this by running vision and mission. Let me quote to you George Washington or Abraham Lincoln or Winston. Actually I have paraphrased them all and many others many times here. They certainly were effective leaders doing what they came to do in time and Hagelin too. But you people, are as cold and immovable as stone weight. Is it no wonder that you are so withdrawn to the blessings of the movement? Like Buddha the compassionate one on earth we meditate in the Dome here for you, Let there be Peace, -Buck Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting It is the job of a good leadership to cheer-lead the corporate [communal] mission and organization for life in the organization to be effective. I can understand that you may have trouble with this. That is okay as some people 'do groups' better than others. That is a characteristic or skill-set that comes in combination proly somewhere between nature and nurture. But I would expect that John Hagelin should respond and set the record straight as to where the main-line existing TM community is with this. -Buck It certainly is okay that John Hagelin is leading the group this way. Our group here. Not many are able this way. He has my support and I wish him well in success for all of us meditating here, -Buck Still in the Dome turquoiseb wrote : From: feste37 This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on assessing the content, why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished that anyone is taking this seriously. While I agree that the whole scenario is too silly for words, what does it say about the incredible gullibility and susceptibility of TMers *that* it's being taken seriously? In what other group would its members actually fall for this? What other group would proactively attempt to squelch it, as Raja (that's ludicrous in itself) Hagelin did? This is great theater. I hope *some* reporters actually attend, and write it up or do a TV bit about it. Can't you just imagine the headline/teaser? Leaders Of TM Cult Freak Out Over Advice From Beyond The Grave Sent By Original Sexy Sadie Guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi MJ; Son, you're as bad as Hamas (Abdel Aziz Ali Abdul Majid al-Rantisi, for instance ) and not much better with your constant attack denying even the right of the very existence of the main-line TM community. -Buck mjackson74 wrote : Buck, I can't believe that here you are a grown man, able to drive a tractor, write letters, brew coffee, tend to sheep and everything and you act like you just fell off the turnip truck. Hagelin, Morris, Raja Tony and all the other pin heads that run the Movement don't give a crap what the main line TM community think. They all think that whatever they tell the TM'ers is what the TM community should believe even if it directly contradicts what they have said in the past. Marshy taught them to do this and if you can't
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being too kind - Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic! What I want is an agreement that the TB's will shut up about it once world peace doesn't arrive. It's only fair, you prove the theory or you abandon it. We should applaud their willingness to try though. One last time. 50,000 is way more than the claimed requirement for world peace so the effects should be immediate or the excuses pathetic. We shall see. they have already proven the Marshy Effect is bullshit, but in typical Movement fashion, they take what is proof of it not working and claim it is in fact working. The infamous Washington DC project where the crime rate actually increased is oneof those proofs, yet Hagelin who won the IgNoble prize for physics for saying so claimed that the crime rate actually DECREASED 18% from what it would have been had they not been doing TMSP there. I'm not sure if he ever revealed what crystal ball he used to be able to know what things would have been like if they hadn't been there. Its the very same bullshit Marshy always used - someone is about to jump off a building thinking they can fly after rounding for months on end and that ass would claim something good is happening cuz it was stress leaving the body. anything to claim effects for TM that aren't there so they can make more money selling it. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:07 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now Permanent peace? We could sure use that right now. I for one, hope that this project works. and as usual, I commend the optimists for trying things that seem bizarre to the rest of us. This is what science is all about, daring to think outside the box and test the boundaries, we'd never have learnt anything if we'd didn't ask questions and been content thinking that the Earth was flat. Another principle of science is that, if a theory is found to be null during the testing stage and no supporting evidence is found, the idea is abandoned in favour of a more likely explanation. Can I request that the TMO does this in the event of world peace not manifesting and publicly declare that TM doesn't appear to have any effect on world events. And I humbly request that they definitely don't don't start coming up with thin excuses like there is too much stress in collective consciousness and then having another big fundraising round for the next coherence project. Ta. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : today on Maharishi Channel 3, progress report on 50,000 new Yogic Flyers within 3 months, to create Permanent Peace right now, so many pictures of thousands of blissful yogis flying high! can be seen right now by sliding back in time a bit on Maharishi Channel 3 http://maharishichannel.in/CHANNEL_3/index.html Maharishi Channel 3 http://maharishichannel.in/CHANNEL_3/index.html New Time Slider. Watch up to 12 hours of past programmes. Click on the time line to choose earlier broadcast. MORE... View on maharishichannel.in http://maharishichannel.in/CHANNEL_3/index.html Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
And this doesn't even start to consider whether the collected papers are actually valuable to science or not. A lot of people who read the papers don't think much of TM research at all. Some of the later stuff may be of value but a lot of it is crap, the Marshy Effect stuff in particular. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : This is outrageous! Of course the scientific research applies to both schools. They are teaching the same thing! Do you think Newtons laws of gravity, discovered when he was at Cambridge, shouldn't be studied at Oxford? Of course not, knowledge belongs to everyone and no one. When you do science you add (or hope to) to the endless store of man's knowledge about himself and the world. That is the point of it, it doesn't exist just as cheap advertising to further the aims of special interest groups no matter how reliant you are on it. This a genuine low point for the TMO, they should come to their senses and retract this lawsuit, you cannot copyright science (in a sane world) It's done for the betterment of all mankind. They are destined to lose and look like a bunch of greedy corporate lowlifes. The only way they'll be able to convince anyone is if they demonstrate that Knoles isn't teaching TM anymore. Which they won't obviously. Whether the teachers that taught in the studies were certified by the TMO is irrelevant to whether the research is accurate, anyone can use the findings of science to enrich or criticise, add to their own ideas or debunk. If King Tony and raja Hagelin have any scientific curiosity left in them they would censure this legal cocksucker and send him back to whatever slime pit he crawled from. What next Buck, suing people here for having opinions that are contrary to the accepted right way of thinking? If you aren't careful you may get what you wish for and the TMO will end up with all the credibility of Scientology. Yeah, I know it's in that ballpark already with most people who have experienced it's inner workings, but I'm talking about the public in general. No one is going to think this is a good idea because it quite simply isn't. Is this what it comes down to, checking for copyright infringement at paranormal conventions? It doesn't sound like the Age of Enlightenment. I hope Thom Knoles wins and the TMO gets massive egg on its face. Knoles declined and largely defended his biography. His attorney said he did learn under the Maharishi, was personally awarded an honorary doctorate by him, and had become an acclaimed teacher of yoga by age 20. Oddly enough, the foundation hasn't sued Knoles, for strategic reasons Zaiger said were confidential. Instead, it filed a lawsuit in 2011 against The Meditation House, an Iowa corporation owned by life coach Jules Green, who promotes Vedic Meditation on her website. The lawsuit seeks an order preventing Green from mentioning transcendental meditation studies in her advertising,” http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/ http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/ Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi). That is interesting. 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal department together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions. -Buck steve.sundur wrote : Sal, .. Your strict adherence to everything science has dulled your sensitivity to nuance. You've got that knee jerk, TM bash move down pat. mjackson74@... wrote : Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer to Sal on this he is in a position to know. Sal writing: It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who quit when Marshy put the price up so high it put them
[FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Permanent peace? We could sure use that right now. I for one, hope that this project works. and as usual, I commend the optimists for trying things that seem bizarre to the rest of us. This is what science is all about, daring to think outside the box and test the boundaries, we'd never have learnt anything if we'd didn't ask questions and been content thinking that the Earth was flat. Another principle of science is that, if a theory is found to be null during the testing stage and no supporting evidence is found, the idea is abandoned in favour of a more likely explanation. Can I request that the TMO does this in the event of world peace not manifesting and publicly declare that TM doesn't appear to have any effect on world events. And I humbly request that they definitely don't don't start coming up with thin excuses like there is too much stress in collective consciousness and then having another big fundraising round for the next coherence project. Ta.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How To Be Ultra Spiritual
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : If this video had been around back in the day, none of you people would have ever had to move to Fairfield to learn all this stuff. Just sayin'... What Does It Mean To Be Spiritual? | Global Freedom Movement http://globalfreedommovement.org/what-does-it-mean-to-be-spiritual/ http://globalfreedommovement.org/what-does-it-mean-to-be-spiritual/ What Does It Mean To Be Spiritual? | Global Freedom Mo... http://globalfreedommovement.org/what-does-it-mean-to-be-spiritual/ Spirituality is so 'in' right now. Life coaches, spiritual gurus and shakti-loving goddesses pave the way forward. So what does it mean to be spiritual...? View on globalfreedommov... Preview by Yahoo I saw this on Facebook too. Sometimes FB has some good ones. This is pretty funny. Goes on a bit but worth a look anyway.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : so, sure, you've elected to make this mission one of your life goals. The question might be, what is it taking time from? this of course is unlike Barry who has indicated he writes his posts at lightning speed, never proof reads and spends maybe five or ten minutes a day here. To which I say, really? On 10/14/2014 8:48 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Towhich I say,Why and when did he get so lazy and uncaring? It takes nothing to be sloppy, slapdash and careless. Those kinds of people are a dime a dozen. To which I say, most of the informants on this list couldn't write a junior high school essay in longhand and get a C on it, not to mention speed-typing without proofing - on a cheap laptop computer inside a crowded dimly-lit bar or cafe in Amsterdam - after a few beers while at the same time eating a taco with your right hand. The word count of most messages on this list wouldn't even qualify for as a good tweet. It's not about the number of messages the informants post or where or how long it takes them to compose one - it's all about the content. It's the redundant factor that is so disappointing. How many times are they going to post that Fairfield suicide article? Go figure. I would say twice will do it. Half the readers here are like Alzheimer sufferers; everything seems just as good or better the second time round because half of the people have a no-read list of the other half and miss half of what is posted here. That causes scenarios like the double-posted suicide article.
Re: [FairfieldLife] How To Be Ultra Spiritual
ROFLMAO! this guy hit the nail on the head! Loved the part about *intuition*. I've been saying for years now that nobody *thinks* any more, they just *feel*. I assume because it leaves your self a way *out* of a dumb idea. I also identified with the part about spiritual competition. That is one of the first things that started turning me off about the TM movement and still does to this day.oh, Maharishi wouldn't want that.. That's to let the other person know that you're *in tune* with the master and they aren't. Good video. On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 12:17 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: If this video had been around back in the day, none of you people would have ever had to move to Fairfield to learn all this stuff. Just sayin'... What Does It Mean To Be Spiritual? | Global Freedom Movement What Does It Mean To Be Spiritual? | Global Freedom Mo... Spirituality is so 'in' right now. Life coaches, spiritual gurus and shakti-loving goddesses pave the way forward. So what does it mean to be spiritual...? View on globalfreedommov... Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Yep, I never had much interest in being super rich, or famous, just happy, and successful, with myself, my family, and my friends, which can be enough of a challenge, if you always dream big. Those that go after fame and fortune, dedicate themselves 100% to the goal. And they succeed. Some of these people in interviews, express, how, at the age of five or so, they wanted to be on stage, or vowed to themselves, to be rich. Very one-pointed. I am happy, and ordinary, and ecstatic right now, as it has just started *pouring rain*, a sound I haven't heard since one night in the mountains, back in March! Jai Guru WATER! Such a soothing sound for us all, in this drought. Yay! Being ordinary or not ordinary is simply a matter of public opinion. If enough people choose to recognize someone as extraordinary then suddenly the Paris Hiltons or the Miley Cyruses of the world are special. If Da Vinci's work had not been recognized as viewable and astounding by as many people as it did when he was alive and continued on afterwards then it, too, would have been relegated to the ordinary and it was far from that. So, ordinary as defined by bawee has nothing to do with real value or exceptional qualities in our current world. It is more about how famous you are, how recognized. Every single human being is more than ordinary by the mere fact it developed from an egg and sperm joining together and ultimately developed into a breathing, functioning organism. In my world ordinary simply does not exist. This whole freaking place is a bloody miracle including every single human who inhabits the place. But we already know bawee's altar is the television set and what appears on it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Oh, I missed this from Barry. Barry, this is attempt on your part, to remind yourself of this, right? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Turq: There is NO ONE on this forum who has accomplished much of *anything* with their lives, as measured by either riches or fame. Certainly no TM TB on this forum has ever accomplished much of anything. What is WRONG with reminding these people how fuckin' ORDINARY they are?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being too kind - Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic! I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars. What I want is an agreement that the TB's will shut up about it once world peace doesn't arrive. It's only fair, you prove the theory or you abandon it. We should applaud their willingness to try though. One last time. 50,000 is way more than the claimed requirement for world peace so the effects should be immediate or the excuses pathetic. We shall see.
Re: [FairfieldLife] How To Be Ultra Spiritual
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : ROFLMAO! this guy hit the nail on the head! Loved the part about *intuition*. I've been saying for years now that nobody *thinks* any more, they just *feel*. I assume because it leaves your self a way *out* of a dumb idea. I also identified with the part about spiritual competition. That is one of the first things that started turning me off about the TM movement and still does to this day.oh, Maharishi wouldn't want that.. That's to let the other person know that you're *in tune* with the master and they aren't. Good video. On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 12:17 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: If this video had been around back in the day, none of you people would have ever had to move to Fairfield to learn all this stuff. Just sayin'... Actually, it is only because most of us have been around this in one form or another (lived in FF, for example) that we can find it so humourous. If you haven't been there it wouldn't be nearly as funny. What Does It Mean To Be Spiritual? | Global Freedom Movement http://globalfreedommovement.org/what-does-it-mean-to-be-spiritual/ http://globalfreedommovement.org/what-does-it-mean-to-be-spiritual/ What Does It Mean To Be Spiritual? | Global Freedom Mo... http://globalfreedommovement.org/what-does-it-mean-to-be-spiritual/ Spirituality is so 'in' right now. Life coaches, spiritual gurus and shakti-loving goddesses pave the way forward. So what does it mean to be spiritual...? View on globalfreedommov... http://globalfreedommovement.org/what-does-it-mean-to-be-spiritual/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hagelin's Response to Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hagelin's Response to Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting Buck, if you have happened to have read Michael' posts here, he seems very passionate in what he feels is right, not cold at all. And all of us here have had the 'blessings' of the movement and it has produced what you see here on FFL. The result is as varied as life itself. Maybe only 10% of those who learn TM stick with it, and 90% end up doing something else or just stopping. Those who drop off but do something else that works for them, be happy for them. Some drift off the spiritual path, and some reach the end of the path and walk off (the only rational thing to do in that case). Those that oppose the movement are testing its mettle, its truthfulness, its integrity, for they find it wanting. The ones that are dangerous are the ones that remain on the path forever; they are the ones that have truly failed. The last sentence contains a valuable point. What could be more *embarrassing* than spending 30 or 40 years of one's life pursuing a spiritual path that led nowhere, and then actually being content with being nowhere?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being too kind - Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic! I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars. Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold. Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic. I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt. I can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hagelin's Response to Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hagelin's Response to Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting Buck, if you have happened to have read Michael' posts here, he seems very passionate in what he feels is right, not cold at all. And all of us here have had the 'blessings' of the movement and it has produced what you see here on FFL. The result is as varied as life itself. Maybe only 10% of those who learn TM stick with it, and 90% end up doing something else or just stopping. Those who drop off but do something else that works for them, be happy for them. Some drift off the spiritual path, and some reach the end of the path and walk off (the only rational thing to do in that case). Those that oppose the movement are testing its mettle, its truthfulness, its integrity, for they find it wanting. The ones that are dangerous are the ones that remain on the path forever; they are the ones that have truly failed. The last sentence contains a valuable point. What could be more *embarrassing* than spending 30 or 40 years of one's life pursuing a spiritual path that led nowhere, and then actually being content with being nowhere? Where is nowhere? Sounds like a Zen koan of some sort. Think of it, I am nowhere and let's add, I am nobody. How does that work? Sounds positively transcendental. You have to be nowhere and nobody to have arrived and to become. LOL.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Richard, I like you a lot and I enjoy many of your posts. I just hope that you see the irony of your saying that it's the redundant factor that is so disappointing. I'm just saying: I think you've posted turq's quote about Rama's rising off the couch so many times, I almost know it by heart! On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 7:34 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: so, sure, you've elected to make this mission one of your life goals. The question might be, what is it taking time from? this of course is unlike Barry who has indicated he writes his posts at lightning speed, never proof reads and spends maybe five or ten minutes a day here. To which I say, really? On 10/14/2014 8:48 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: To which I say,Why and when did he get so lazy and uncaring? It takes nothing to be sloppy, slapdash and careless. Those kinds of people are a dime a dozen. To which I say, most of the informants on this list couldn't write a junior high school essay in longhand and get a C on it, not to mention speed-typing without proofing - on a cheap laptop computer inside a crowded dimly-lit bar or cafe in Amsterdam - after a few beers while at the same time eating a taco with your right hand. The word count of most messages on this list wouldn't even qualify for as a good tweet. It's not about the number of messages the informants post or where or how long it takes them to compose one - it's all about the content. It's the redundant factor that is so disappointing. How many times are they going to post that Fairfield suicide article? Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its all about the money Sal - the Movement is trying to protect its pocket book. Of course, and this is one of the last avenues left. The Indies in the UK claim that the actions of Maharishi and the TMO left them unable to make a living due to unfair business practises. So it would be foolhardy to tackle them in open court about that, everyone would get to see what goes on behind closed doors, would be interesting though... But this is a low point for them, I'd be embarrassed to even try and stop people using science when they are using it for the same reasons they use it themselves. The last thing they should be wanting is a reputation for relying on lawyers, talk about undermining the principle of right action and the coherence effects of TM! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:47 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement This is outrageous! Of course the scientific research applies to both schools. They are teaching the same thing! Do you think Newtons laws of gravity, discovered when he was at Cambridge, shouldn't be studied at Oxford? Of course not, knowledge belongs to everyone and no one. When you do science you add (or hope to) to the endless store of man's knowledge about himself and the world. That is the point of it, it doesn't exist just as cheap advertising to further the aims of special interest groups no matter how reliant you are on it. This a genuine low point for the TMO, they should come to their senses and retract this lawsuit, you cannot copyright science (in a sane world) It's done for the betterment of all mankind. They are destined to lose and look like a bunch of greedy corporate lowlifes. The only way they'll be able to convince anyone is if they demonstrate that Knoles isn't teaching TM anymore. Which they won't obviously. Whether the teachers that taught in the studies were certified by the TMO is irrelevant to whether the research is accurate, anyone can use the findings of science to enrich or criticise, add to their own ideas or debunk. If King Tony and raja Hagelin have any scientific curiosity left in them they would censure this legal cocksucker and send him back to whatever slime pit he crawled from. What next Buck, suing people here for having opinions that are contrary to the accepted right way of thinking? If you aren't careful you may get what you wish for and the TMO will end up with all the credibility of Scientology. Yeah, I know it's in that ballpark already with most people who have experienced it's inner workings, but I'm talking about the public in general. No one is going to think this is a good idea because it quite simply isn't. Is this what it comes down to, checking for copyright infringement at paranormal conventions? It doesn't sound like the Age of Enlightenment. I hope Thom Knoles wins and the TMO gets massive egg on its face. Knoles declined and largely defended his biography. His attorney said he did learn under the Maharishi, was personally awarded an honorary doctorate by him, and had become an acclaimed teacher of yoga by age 20. Oddly enough, the foundation hasn't sued Knoles, for strategic reasons Zaiger said were confidential. Instead, it filed a lawsuit in 2011 against The Meditation House, an Iowa corporation owned by life coach Jules Green, who promotes Vedic Meditation on her website. The lawsuit seeks an order preventing Green from mentioning transcendental meditation studies in her advertising,” http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/ http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/ Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi). That is interesting. 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal department together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting their teaching. Apparently
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being too kind - Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic! I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars. Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold. Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic. I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt. I can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care! See When Prophecy Fails. While having the ME completely disproven might deter some people, my suspicion is that any TM True Believer still gullible enough to still be a TB at this point would just put on their big boy pants and tough their way through it, finding an infinite series of loopholes to show that the prophecy of world peace really DID happen, if you just look at it the right way. Or that it was delayed as part of a larger plan for world peace. Whatever... When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia When Prophecy Fails: A Social and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the World is a classic work of social psychology by Leon F... View on en.wikipedia.org Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
I think Turq nailed it some time ago when he said the TMO has never wanted to have a group big enough to do what they claim it will because then the proof will be there - giant group of yogic flyers - no world peace - no more donations. I think they are making the same exhortation Marshy used to use to get people to donate for a 10,000 group. Since they have asked repeatedly for that number and nothing has ever come of it, they have to make it bigger, make the stakes and the promises bigger to get more donations. And if they aren't hitting people up for money for the big groups now they will. Then they will continue to ask for money even tho the groups never materialize or come up with some other big project to replace this one without ever explaining what happened to the 50,000 for instant peace. Another misdirection technique they learned from the Fraud Master Marshy. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being too kind - Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic! I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars. Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold. Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic. I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt. I can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
TM Movement = big on big talk, real shy on right action From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its all about the money Sal - the Movement is trying to protect its pocket book. Of course, and this is one of the last avenues left. The Indies in the UK claim that the actions of Maharishi and the TMO left them unable to make a living due to unfair business practises. So it would be foolhardy to tackle them in open court about that, everyone would get to see what goes on behind closed doors, would be interesting though... But this is a low point for them, I'd be embarrassed to even try and stop people using science when they are using it for the same reasons they use it themselves. The last thing they should be wanting is a reputation for relying on lawyers, talk about undermining the principle of right action and the coherence effects of TM! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:47 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement This is outrageous! Of course the scientific research applies to both schools. They are teaching the same thing! Do you think Newtons laws of gravity, discovered when he was at Cambridge, shouldn't be studied at Oxford? Of course not, knowledge belongs to everyone and no one. When you do science you add (or hope to) to the endless store of man's knowledge about himself and the world. That is the point of it, it doesn't exist just as cheap advertising to further the aims of special interest groups no matter how reliant you are on it. This a genuine low point for the TMO, they should come to their senses and retract this lawsuit, you cannot copyright science (in a sane world) It's done for the betterment of all mankind. They are destined to lose and look like a bunch of greedy corporate lowlifes. The only way they'll be able to convince anyone is if they demonstrate that Knoles isn't teaching TM anymore. Which they won't obviously. Whether the teachers that taught in the studies were certified by the TMO is irrelevant to whether the research is accurate, anyone can use the findings of science to enrich or criticise, add to their own ideas or debunk. If King Tony and raja Hagelin have any scientific curiosity left in them they would censure this legal cocksucker and send him back to whatever slime pit he crawled from. What next Buck, suing people here for having opinions that are contrary to the accepted right way of thinking? If you aren't careful you may get what you wish for and the TMO will end up with all the credibility of Scientology. Yeah, I know it's in that ballpark already with most people who have experienced it's inner workings, but I'm talking about the public in general. No one is going to think this is a good idea because it quite simply isn't. Is this what it comes down to, checking for copyright infringement at paranormal conventions? It doesn't sound like the Age of Enlightenment. I hope Thom Knoles wins and the TMO gets massive egg on its face. Knoles declined and largely defended his biography. His attorney said he did learn under the Maharishi, was personally awarded an honorary doctorate by him, and had become an acclaimed teacher of yoga by age 20. Oddly enough, the foundation hasn't sued Knoles, for strategic reasons Zaiger said were confidential. Instead, it filed a lawsuit in 2011 against The Meditation House, an Iowa corporation owned by life coach Jules Green, who promotes Vedic Meditation on her website. The lawsuit seeks an order preventing Green from mentioning transcendental meditation studies in her advertising,” http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/ Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi). That is interesting. 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal department together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher re-certification
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
It includes the armed men we caught on the bridge between hotels Sonnenberg and Kulm. It also includes dozens of agents that took TTC many of whom went on to Purusha. It also includeds Governors so poor that when they waved a few thousands dollars in front of their anemic noses they did almost anything to make their new masters happy. Not that they had to do much, a weekly report sent to their accounting officer was all that was needed to adhere to the strict rules of economic self-suffisciency always present within the Movement. So when we started looking, which included asking a few questions in the countries they came from, they needed some pretty good explanation to where the money came from. Now, that's what I call a real enemy that was always fun to try to track. They did it not because they had some screews loose but to protect their country, which is a honorable thing to do. The wacko's of today has no such honor and cannot touch the Movement. All they'll accomplish is some momentary swelling of ego's already out of control.
[FairfieldLife] Newsflash!
bawee last seen astride black Harley headed to points East: http://www.relevantmagazine.com/slices/isis-new-enemy-terrifying-dutch-biker-gang http://www.relevantmagazine.com/slices/isis-new-enemy-terrifying-dutch-biker-gang
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were asking me to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were certifiably paranoid and committed to a them vs. us mentality. I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it. :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement It includes the armed men we caught on the bridge between hotels Sonnenberg and Kulm. It also includes dozens of agents that took TTC many of whom went on to Purusha. It also includeds Governors so poor that when they waved a few thousands dollars in front of their anemic noses they did almost anything to make their new masters happy. Not that they had to do much, a weekly report sent to their accounting officer was all that was needed to adhere to the strict rules of economic self-suffisciency always present within the Movement. So when we started looking, which included asking a few questions in the countries they came from, they needed some pretty good explanation to where the money came from. Now, that's what I call a real enemy that was always fun to try to track. They did it not because they had some screews loose but to protect their country, which is a honorable thing to do. The wacko's of today has no such honor and cannot touch the Movement. All they'll accomplish is some momentary swelling of ego's already out of control.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were asking me to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were certifiably paranoid and committed to a them vs. us mentality. I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it. :-) Now our bawee has to spoon feed the imaginary lurking reporters (who are apparently brain dead and illiterate) the supposed facts. Lurking reporters, do you have enough proof now that bawee is a git? From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement It includes the armed men we caught on the bridge between hotels Sonnenberg and Kulm. It also includes dozens of agents that took TTC many of whom went on to Purusha. It also includeds Governors so poor that when they waved a few thousands dollars in front of their anemic noses they did almost anything to make their new masters happy. Not that they had to do much, a weekly report sent to their accounting officer was all that was needed to adhere to the strict rules of economic self-suffisciency always present within the Movement. So when we started looking, which included asking a few questions in the countries they came from, they needed some pretty good explanation to where the money came from. Now, that's what I call a real enemy that was always fun to try to track. They did it not because they had some screews loose but to protect their country, which is a honorable thing to do. The wacko's of today has no such honor and cannot touch the Movement. All they'll accomplish is some momentary swelling of ego's already out of control.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being too kind - Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic! I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars. Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold. Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic. I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt. I can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care! See When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encycl... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the World is a classic work of soci... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails Preview by Yahoo . While having the ME completely disproven might deter some people, my suspicion is that any TM True Believer still gullible enough to still be a TB at this point would just put on their big boy pants and tough their way through it, finding an infinite series of loopholes to show that the prophecy of world peace really DID happen, if you just look at it the right way. Or that it was delayed as part of a larger plan for world peace. Whatever... Yes, you could be right. Hopefully we'll see. Maybe we'll get some more gems to add to the list of reasons why things don't work. Good book that, one of my favourites. Most interesting and I remember feeling sorry for them when the UFO didn't arrive, much as I'll feel sorry for Nabby when Maitreya doesn't. Not that he'll care or even notice... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails; class=ygrps-yiv-145149510link-enhancr-card-urlWrapper ygrps-yiv-145149510link-enhancr-element When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the World is a classic work of social psychology by Leon F... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
Governors so poor they had anaemia? That's quite a statement all on its own! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It includes the armed men we caught on the bridge between hotels Sonnenberg and Kulm. It also includes dozens of agents that took TTC many of whom went on to Purusha. It also includeds Governors so poor that when they waved a few thousands dollars in front of their anemic noses they did almost anything to make their new masters happy. Not that they had to do much, a weekly report sent to their accounting officer was all that was needed to adhere to the strict rules of economic self-suffisciency always present within the Movement. So when we started looking, which included asking a few questions in the countries they came from, they needed some pretty good explanation to where the money came from. Now, that's what I call a real enemy that was always fun to try to track. They did it not because they had some screews loose but to protect their country, which is a honorable thing to do. The wacko's of today has no such honor and cannot touch the Movement. All they'll accomplish is some momentary swelling of ego's already out of control.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it. :-) Nonsense. I don't believe in it, I know it happened because I was part of it. Even one of my friends was caught red-handed with a letter to his accounting officer and quickly admitted to having work for the German intelligence, who was just a subdivision of the CIA. Maharishi simply asked him if he would break the ties, he did and is fulltime in the Movement to this day.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Irish Cross on Mars
The image was taken with a microscopic camera on the rover. It's actually very tiny. Most likely it is the impression of a Phillips Screw Head that touched the surface dust as the camera's arm moved into position.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
German intelligence, who was just a subdivision of the CIA Proof positive of a paranoid freak From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it. :-) Nonsense. I don't believe in it, I know it happened because I was part of it. Even one of my friends was caught red-handed with a letter to his accounting officer and quickly admitted to having work for the German intelligence, who was just a subdivision of the CIA. Maharishi simply asked him if he would break the ties, he did and is fulltime in the Movement to this day.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being too kind - Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic! I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars. Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold. Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic. I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt. I can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care! Here is the thing, why isn't a meditation technique good enough to hang your hat on as a Movement? Why bother to start claiming all sorts of Maharishi Effects when all anyone really needs is a sound meditation technique? I don't know if TM is the greatest or bestest out there because I don't like sitting during my waking hours with my eyes closed when there is so much else to do and see so I simply don't scope out other techniques to compare. But the ME? I don't believe any of it for a minute. But why is the ME even necessary to put out there? If human beings are benefiting personally from a technique then the whole world should benefit due to the individuals becoming happier, calmer, more grounded.
[FairfieldLife] Russell Brand on Wall Street
Russell Brand and some 200 Occupy Wall Street protesters descended onto New York City’s financial district on Monday, where the celebrity called for a “revolution” within the US. Brand explained his viewpoint to RT – and even kissed the correspondent. http://rt.com/usa/195992-russell-brand-revolution-wall-street/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Russell Brand on Wall Street
Communism is the most intelligent political system - Maharishi
[FairfieldLife] Free energy audits and free or low-cost weatherizations in Fairfield MUM
Forwarded from: The Review therev...@mum.edu Subject: The Review, Vol. 30, #3, October 15, 2014, Maharishi U Vol. 30, #3, October 15, 2014 Copyright 2014, Maharishi University of Management AmeriCorps Volunteers Increase Energy Efficiency in Community Three alumni of the Sustainable Living program began as AmeriCorps volunteers in September and will spend 11 months helping the University and Jefferson County increase energy efficiency and sustainability by offering free energy audits as well as community outreach, sustainability education events, and low-cost or free weatherization. I had been wanting to share the information and inspiration that I gained in the Sustainable Living program, said Alexandra (Pomeroy) Crow, the team's logistics coordinator. It's great to have an opportunity to transition out of school but still give back to the community. AmeriCorps volunteers serve for 11 months and receive a stipend during that time. Other alumni involved include Prana Miller, marketing coordinator, and Taylor Kneisley, audit coordinator. Two more volunteers are being added as the education and outreach coordinators. During the cold months, the team will be focusing on energy audits and weatherization. In addition, a major focus is outreach and offering education to the community. While their mission is to serve all of Jefferson County, the University, as the team's host site, will be a special focus. The team hopes to raise the University's rating by the American Association of Sustainability in Higher Education. In addition to educational and outreach events, the team will document and systematize the sustainability practices and features already in place on campus. Anyone interested in a free energy audit can sign up at www.greeniowaamericorps.org. Once an audit has been performed, the team is available to weatherize the home — either for low cost or for free. In addition, they evaluate appliances and can recommend replacement with energy-efficient models that are eligible for a rebate from Alliant. While all audits are free, the weatherizations are usually only at the cost of the materials. The materials are free for those who are veterans, low-income, disabled, or over 65. Those interested need not be a homeowner to take advantage of the offerings, but will need to have a signed waiver from their landlord. The volunteers are part of Green Iowa, a State and National AmeriCorps program that has existed since 2009. AmeriCorps is a division of the Corporation for National and Community Service, a federal program created by President Bill Clinton in 1993. AmeriCorps consists of a network of national service programs that strive to meet critical needs in education, public safety, health, and the environment. Green Iowa funding largely comes from government grants as well as organizations such as Alliant and MUM. MUM is one of six Green Iowa host sites in the state. According to Ms. Crow, MUM was invited by the program director because the University is considered a leader in sustainability. Being a host site entails providing office space, a vehicle, office supplies, and a site supervisor. © 2014 Maharishi University of Management Transcendental Meditation®, TM-Sidhi®, Consciousness-Based, Maharishi Vedic Science, Maharishi School of the Age of Enlightenment, and Maharishi University of Management are protected trademarks and are used in the U.S. under license or with permission.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being too kind - Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic! I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars. Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold. Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic. I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt. I can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care! Here is the thing, why isn't a meditation technique good enough to hang your hat on as a Movement? Why bother to start claiming all sorts of Maharishi Effects when all anyone really needs is a sound meditation technique? I don't know if TM is the greatest or bestest out there because I don't like sitting during my waking hours with my eyes closed when there is so much else to do and see so I simply don't scope out other techniques to compare. But the ME? I don't believe any of it for a minute. But why is the ME even necessary to put out there? If human beings are benefiting personally from a technique then the whole world should benefit due to the individuals becoming happier, calmer, more grounded. I quite agree, but you don't know the half of it. The movement has simply the most extraordinary worldview with revolutionary ideas encompassing and governing literally every aspect of life - the constitution of the universe. You don't just have a human body, you have one that's created by vedic literature. You don't just have a mind, it really is the unified field of all things and only TM can show you the truth of the way things are. I think it's about self aggrandisement, instead of being just a technique it's about being the greatest group of any kind ever. Something to feel elite about, and it has the secret language that keeps the brethren close and reinforces the belief system. It's also better for the organisation that instead of just meditating you are creating world peace - once you've swallowed the concept of non-local consciousness you find there is a range of technologies like yagya's for you to invest in that help both you and the world. When you get into thinking in a TMO way, the world is a very different place and the completeness of it is impressive, health, education, war. All controlled by this unified field thingy that, if you are in touch with it, brings you great advantage in life. Nature support is what they call it, people who meditate get better luck. At least according to the theory. I never noticed it and never saw it in anyone else, just like I didn't with any other of the products they sell. As a body of work vedic science is highly impressive, consistent and has an internal logic that - if it was true - would be the greatest discovery ever. Which is exactly how it's promoted, you get into it bit-by-bit until you've been on enough courses for it to sink in and it takes over how you interpret everything. I was lucky in that I'd read a bit of physics and knew that the unified field hadn't been discovered and that, even if it had, it wasn't likely to be consciousness for a great many reasons. That helped me stay at a distance from it but I did inevitably get sucked further in when I went to work for them. As religious belief systems go it's harmless enough, probably no worse than the Jehova's Witnesses or ISKCON, you can at least function in the real world as long as you don't try and tell your work mates about the Constitution of the Universe! Would they have been better off just teaching TM? Maybe not, with a hardcore of devotees that think they are creating world peace by bringing back the greatest wisdom the world has ever seen, you can maybe get more teaching done than if it was taught casually by part-timers. It's also self-perpetuating now that anyone they approve of can become a teacher and the knowledge is highly protected, more so than if it was something you could get out of a book that just help you feel a bit refreshed on the train on the way home from work. The belief system was also fantastic at making money, at least for a while. Not really sure how well they do in the internet age, especially as there are independents taking
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ebola On A Plane!
/So, two nurses are now infected with Ebola from the first patient they were taking care of that died. What else could go wrong?// // //On October 13, one of the nurses that took care of the first Ebola patient took a plane trip to Cleveland and back to Dallas. When she got back she was diagnosed with Ebola and put in quarantine. According to what I've read, 77 people at the hospital were involved in caring for the first Ebola patient. //And, the nurses were taking care of other patients in the hospital.// //Apparently the hospital tube system was used to transport Ebola tissue to the hospital lab. The trash is piling up with contaminated waste and the hospital cafeteria is like a ghost town. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire medial center is shut down in a few days and the entire staff is quarantined. //There is no protocol for treating or containing Ebola. // We are in the best of hands!// / DALLAS -- The CDC has announced that the second healthcare worker diagnosed with Ebola --- now identified as Amber Joy Vinson of Dallas --- traveled by air Oct. 13, the day before she first reported symptoms... http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/15/ebola-patient-traveled-day-before-diagnosis/ /The problem is that we know so little about the transmission of Ebola. What if it turns out that an infection can be transmitted in the air? Apparently we have a Texas nurse getting the Ebola virus - can you get Ebola by walking down the hall in a hospital? Go figure. / /Also, if there is a breach of hospital protocol while caring for an Ebola patient and a worker gets Ebola, should the worker get fired? And, what happens if they check your temperature when you get on a plane to the U.S. and then you get a fever and throw up in the aisle while in flight?// // //So many questions, so few answers. Go figure./ (Reuters) - A Texas health worker who provided care for the first person diagnosed with Ebola in the United States has tested positive for the deadly virus in a preliminary examination, a state health official said on Sunday... 'Texas health care worker tests positive for Ebola' http://news.yahoo.com/texas-health-care-worker-tests-positive-ebola-100052941.html /Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, Dallas, Texas/ /It is very difficult to screen for Ebola. So far, there have been no cases of transmission on flights during this outbreak. The real problem is when the disease becomes airborne. So far, this hasn't happened yet either. Air-born Ebola on a plane is going to be a nightmare! / NEW YORK - Customs and health officials began taking the temperatures of passengers arriving at New York's Kennedy International Airport from three West African countries on Saturday in a stepped-up screening effort meant to prevent the spread of the Ebola virus... 'Stepped-up Ebola screening starts at NYC airport' Associated Press: http://tinyurl.com/lcu9bw7 The UK is to begin screening some passengers who have traveled from Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea for signs of Ebola virus disease. http://www.bbc.com/news/health-29549722 Signs and symptoms of Ebola infection: Fever (greater than 38.6°C or 101.5°F) Severe headache Muscle pain Weakness Diarrhea Vomiting Abdominal (stomach) pain http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/symptoms/index.html http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/symptoms/index.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
On 10/15/2014 7:47 AM, salyavin808 wrote: This is outrageous! /Addressing the important issues!/ Of course the scientific research applies to both schools. They are teaching the same thing! Do you think Newtons laws of gravity, discovered when he was at Cambridge, shouldn't be studied at Oxford? Of course not, knowledge belongs to everyone and no one. When you do science you add (or hope to) to the endless store of man's knowledge about himself and the world. That is the point of it, it doesn't exist just as cheap advertising to further the aims of special interest groups no matter how reliant you are on it. This a genuine low point for the TMO, they should come to their senses and retract this lawsuit, you cannot copyright science (in a sane world) It's done for the betterment of all mankind. They are destined to lose and look like a bunch of greedy corporate lowlifes. The only way they'll be able to convince anyone is if they demonstrate that Knoles isn't teaching TM anymore. Which they won't obviously. Whether the teachers that taught in the studies were certified by the TMO is irrelevant to whether the research is accurate, anyone can use the findings of science to enrich or criticise, add to their own ideas or debunk. If King Tony and raja Hagelin have any scientific curiosity left in them they would censure this legal cocksucker and send him back to whatever slime pit he crawled from. What next Buck, suing people here for having opinions that are contrary to the accepted right way of thinking? If you aren't careful you may get what you wish for and the TMO will end up with all the credibility of Scientology. Yeah, I know it's in that ballpark already with most people who have experienced it's inner workings, but I'm talking about the public in general. No one is going to think this is a good idea because it quite simply isn't. Is this what it comes down to, checking for copyright infringement at paranormal conventions? It doesn't sound like the Age of Enlightenment. I hope Thom Knoles wins and the TMO gets massive egg on its face. Knoles declined and largely defended his biography. His attorney said he did learn under the Maharishi, was personally awarded an honorary doctorate by him, and had become an acclaimed teacher of yoga by age 20. Oddly enough, the foundation hasn't sued Knoles, for strategic reasons Zaiger said were confidential. Instead, it filed a lawsuit in 2011 against The Meditation House, an Iowa corporation owned by life coach Jules Green, who promotes Vedic Meditation on her website. The lawsuit seeks an order preventing Green from mentioning transcendental meditation studies in her advertising,” http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/ Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi). That is interesting. 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal department together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions. -Buck steve.sundur wrote : Sal, .. Your strict adherence to everything science has dulled your sensitivity to nuance. You've got that knee jerk, TM bash move down pat. mjackson74@... wrote : Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer to Sal on this he is in a position to know. Sal writing: It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who quit when Marshy put the price up so high it put them out of business. They have a few centres and hold courses in a country house where they teach the TMSP too. The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there isn't much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy. I know people who go on their courses, they always tell me that I musn't mention it to people in the movement, which says it all about the TMO really. The same guy was telling me that
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Duped into thinking you could fly?
On 10/13/2014 1:32 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I think a class action suit against the TMO would be workable and lucrative because it's actually taught that the TMSP develops paranormal powers (the clue is in the name) and they even publish scientific lectures about how it works to entice the unwary into thinking there's a physical basis for it all. Given the amount of time I spent doing it when I could have been earning a decent crust, /You were supposed to meditate just 20 minutes morning and evening - not all day! The rest of the day you were supposed to be working at a job to pay your own rent and feed yourself, not sleep all day at the TM Center and drink energy drinks at night.//What were you thinking?/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
just help you feel a bit refreshed on the train on the way home from work. This is what the vast majority of non-True Believers yet TM apologists like Ann and Steve believe - since it made them feel good on the train going home, lets ignore all the other crap that comes with it. As Share loves to gush, don't throw out the baby with the bath water and it is these TM apologists who are not fanatics that give the Movement far more credibility with those who are just getting introduced to TM through D Lynch and his shenanigans than if TM were purely promoted by whack jobs like Nabby and those idiots on the Committee for Stress Free Schools who CLAIM to have no affiliation with the TMO, but are just concerned businessmen who just happen to know TM is the most effective remedy for school problems - no affiliation with the TMO except that is for the pedophile co-directors they have on staff. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being too kind - Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic! I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars. Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold. Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic. I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt. I can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care! Here is the thing, why isn't a meditation technique good enough to hang your hat on as a Movement? Why bother to start claiming all sorts of Maharishi Effects when all anyone really needs is a sound meditation technique? I don't know if TM is the greatest or bestest out there because I don't like sitting during my waking hours with my eyes closed when there is so much else to do and see so I simply don't scope out other techniques to compare. But the ME? I don't believe any of it for a minute. But why is the ME even necessary to put out there? If human beings are benefiting personally from a technique then the whole world should benefit due to the individuals becoming happier, calmer, more grounded. I quite agree, but you don't know the half of it. The movement has simply the most extraordinary worldview with revolutionary ideas encompassing and governing literally every aspect of life - the constitution of the universe. You don't just have a human body, you have one that's created by vedic literature. You don't just have a mind, it really is the unified field of all things and only TM can show you the truth of the way things are. I think it's about self aggrandisement, instead of being just a technique it's about being the greatest group of any kind ever. Something to feel elite about, and it has the secret language that keeps the brethren close and reinforces the belief system. It's also better for the organisation that instead of just meditating you are creating world peace - once you've swallowed the concept of non-local consciousness you find there is a range of technologies like yagya's for you to invest in that help both you and the world. When you get into thinking in a TMO way, the world is a very different place and the completeness of it is impressive, health, education, war. All controlled by this unified field thingy that, if you are in touch with it, brings you great advantage in life. Nature support is what they call it, people who meditate get better luck. At least according to the theory. I never noticed it and never saw it in anyone else, just like I didn't with any other of the products they sell. As a body of work vedic science is highly impressive, consistent and has an internal logic that - if it was true - would be the greatest discovery ever. Which is exactly how it's promoted, you get into it bit-by-bit until you've been on enough courses for it to sink in and it takes over how you interpret everything. I was lucky in that I'd read a bit of physics and knew that the unified field hadn't been discovered and that, even if it had, it wasn't likely to be consciousness for a great many
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
First off, I am willing to believe the CIA did send folks to check on what Marshy was doing since they and our FBI have certainly infiltrated many a group to see what they were about. But you seem to allege that there were dozens of agents - not likely maybe one or two but Marshy never merited that kind of attention that would require dozens of CIA agents. Plus the way you tell it, Movement security (which has always been a joke in every Movement facility I was ever in, and that includes your German Purusha Nazi types who wear swastikas under their ties and celebrate Uncle Adolph's birthday) that means Movement security was way more savvy and astute than trained CIA agents??? Not likely. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it. :-) Nonsense. I don't believe in it, I know it happened because I was part of it. Even one of my friends was caught red-handed with a letter to his accounting officer and quickly admitted to having work for the German intelligence, who was just a subdivision of the CIA. Maharishi simply asked him if he would break the ties, he did and is fulltime in the Movement to this day.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ebola On A Plane!
Richard, I admit that when the first ebola victims were taken to Atlanta, I wondered how they were dealing with the contaminated waste, of which I'm sure there was a lot. I mean, lots of waste is one of the symptoms. So, where were they putting all that contaminated waste? Still taking a little colloidal silver every day here. On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 12:25 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: So, two nurses are now infected with Ebola from the first patient they were taking care of that died. What else could go wrong? On October 13, one of the nurses that took care of the first Ebola patient took a plane trip to Cleveland and back to Dallas. When she got back she was diagnosed with Ebola and put in quarantine. According to what I've read, 77 people at the hospital were involved in caring for the first Ebola patient. And, the nurses were taking care of other patients in the hospital. Apparently the hospital tube system was used to transport Ebola tissue to the hospital lab. The trash is piling up with contaminated waste and the hospital cafeteria is like a ghost town. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire medial center is shut down in a few days and the entire staff is quarantined. There is no protocol for treating or containing Ebola. We are in the best of hands! DALLAS – The CDC has announced that the second healthcare worker diagnosed with Ebola — now identified as Amber Joy Vinson of Dallas — traveled by air Oct. 13, the day before she first reported symptoms... http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/15/ebola-patient-traveled-day-before-diagnosis/ The problem is that we know so little about the transmission of Ebola. What if it turns out that an infection can be transmitted in the air? Apparently we have a Texas nurse getting the Ebola virus - can you get Ebola by walking down the hall in a hospital? Go figure. Also, if there is a breach of hospital protocol while caring for an Ebola patient and a worker gets Ebola, should the worker get fired? And, what happens if they check your temperature when you get on a plane to the U.S. and then you get a fever and throw up in the aisle while in flight? So many questions, so few answers. Go figure. (Reuters) - A Texas health worker who provided care for the first person diagnosed with Ebola in the United States has tested positive for the deadly virus in a preliminary examination, a state health official said on Sunday... 'Texas health care worker tests positive for Ebola' http://news.yahoo.com/texas-health-care-worker-tests-positive-ebola-100052941.html Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, Dallas, Texas It is very difficult to screen for Ebola. So far, there have been no cases of transmission on flights during this outbreak. The real problem is when the disease becomes airborne. So far, this hasn't happened yet either. Air-born Ebola on a plane is going to be a nightmare! NEW YORK - Customs and health officials began taking the temperatures of passengers arriving at New York's Kennedy International Airport from three West African countries on Saturday in a stepped-up screening effort meant to prevent the spread of the Ebola virus... 'Stepped-up Ebola screening starts at NYC airport' Associated Press: http://tinyurl.com/lcu9bw7 The UK is to begin screening some passengers who have traveled from Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea for signs of Ebola virus disease. http://www.bbc.com/news/health-29549722 Signs and symptoms of Ebola infection: Fever (greater than 38.6°C or 101.5°F) Severe headache Muscle pain Weakness Diarrhea Vomiting Abdominal (stomach) pain http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/symptoms/index.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : First off, I am willing to believe the CIA did send folks to check on what Marshy was doing since they and our FBI have certainly infiltrated many a group to see what they were about. They'd be silly not to, especially a group who claim they can influence world events at a distance and without the governments consent. I don't know how long it would take before they came to the conclusion they were dealing with a bunch of harmless fruitcakes. Maybe they had to investigate the financial dealings as well? But you seem to allege that there were dozens of agents - not likely maybe one or two but Marshy never merited that kind of attention that would require dozens of CIA agents. Wouldn't be worth their while, not in the middle of the cold war, I'd hope they thought they had better things to do! Plus the way you tell it, Movement security (which has always been a joke in every Movement facility I was ever in, and that includes your German Purusha Nazi types who wear swastikas under their ties and celebrate Uncle Adolph's birthday) that means Movement security was way more savvy and astute than trained CIA agents??? Not likely. I couldn't imagine a simpler group to infiltrate, all you have to do is learn to meditate and ask to help at the centre and you're in! I worked at head office for years and no one ever asked me anything, they just assumed I was kosher.This trust is one of the nice things about them I think. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it. :-) Nonsense. I don't believe in it, I know it happened because I was part of it. Even one of my friends was caught red-handed with a letter to his accounting officer and quickly admitted to having work for the German intelligence, who was just a subdivision of the CIA. Maharishi simply asked him if he would break the ties, he did and is fulltime in the Movement to this day.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ebola On A Plane!
And just imagine if it starts spreading by air and their is a national quarantine in the US? Wouldn't that be fun? How would you get your mail, groceries and pay your bills? And then they force you to get some vaccine that hasn't been tested enough to know it's long range effects. Of course with all this the economy collapses. We sure live in interesting times like in the middle of a sci-fi movie. :-D On 10/15/2014 10:34 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, I admit that when the first ebola victims were taken to Atlanta, I wondered how they were dealing with the contaminated waste, of which I'm sure there was a lot. I mean, lots of waste is one of the symptoms. So, where were they putting all that contaminated waste? Still taking a little colloidal silver every day here. On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 12:25 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: /So, two nurses are now infected with Ebola from the first patient they were taking care of that died. What else could go wrong?// // //On October 13, one of the nurses that took care of the first Ebola patient took a plane trip to Cleveland and back to Dallas. When she got back she was diagnosed with Ebola and put in quarantine. According to what I've read, 77 people at the hospital were involved in caring for the first Ebola patient. //And, the nurses were taking care of other patients in the hospital.// //Apparently the hospital tube system was used to transport Ebola tissue to the hospital lab. The trash is piling up with contaminated waste and the hospital cafeteria is like a ghost town. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire medial center is shut down in a few days and the entire staff is quarantined. //There is no protocol for treating or containing Ebola. // We are in the best of hands!// / DALLAS – The CDC has announced that the second healthcare worker diagnosed with Ebola — now identified as Amber Joy Vinson of Dallas — traveled by air Oct. 13, the day before she first reported symptoms... http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/15/ebola-patient-traveled-day-before-diagnosis/ /The problem is that we know so little about the transmission of Ebola. What if it turns out that an infection can be transmitted in the air? Apparently we have a Texas nurse getting the Ebola virus - can you get Ebola by walking down the hall in a hospital? Go figure. / /Also, if there is a breach of hospital protocol while caring for an Ebola patient and a worker gets Ebola, should the worker get fired? And, what happens if they check your temperature when you get on a plane to the U.S. and then you get a fever and throw up in the aisle while in flight?// // //So many questions, so few answers. Go figure./ (Reuters) - A Texas health worker who provided care for the first person diagnosed with Ebola in the United States has tested positive for the deadly virus in a preliminary examination, a state health official said on Sunday... 'Texas health care worker tests positive for Ebola' http://news.yahoo.com/texas-health-care-worker-tests-positive-ebola-100052941.html alt /Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, Dallas, Texas/ /It is very difficult to screen for Ebola. So far, there have been no cases of transmission on flights during this outbreak. The real problem is when the disease becomes airborne. So far, this hasn't happened yet either. Air-born Ebola on a plane is going to be a nightmare! / NEW YORK - Customs and health officials began taking the temperatures of passengers arriving at New York's Kennedy International Airport from three West African countries on Saturday in a stepped-up screening effort meant to prevent the spread of the Ebola virus... 'Stepped-up Ebola screening starts at NYC airport' Associated Press: http://tinyurl.com/lcu9bw7 The UK is to begin screening some passengers who have traveled from Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea for signs of Ebola virus disease. http://www.bbc.com/news/health-29549722 Signs and symptoms of Ebola infection: Fever (greater than 38.6°C or 101.5°F) Severe headache Muscle pain Weakness Diarrhea Vomiting Abdominal (stomach) pain http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/symptoms/index.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Irish Cross on Mars
Share, So far as we can tell, there are no monkeys on Mars. One can speculate that there was once an intelligent being on the planet. IMO, the rovers should be able to discover more anomalies the longer they stay operational in the future. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, I'm not sure if it's logical, but I'll go with the 100 monkeys typing for eternity explanation...or should we say, 100 monkeys chiseling away on rocks for eternity (-: On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:47 PM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: The rover Opportunity found this unusual marking on the planet. Does anyone have a logical explanation? http://www.examiner.com/article/irish-cross-embedded-mars-rock-opportunity-rover-photos-ancient-symbol http://www.examiner.com/article/irish-cross-embedded-mars-rock-opportunity-rover-photos-ancient-symbol
[FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?
Salyavin, Tony Nader wrote a book showing where the nine planets or grahas can be found in our brain. He is saying that there is a physical manifestation of the impulses of intelligence that are present in the human conciousness. IMO, any intelligent being anywhere in the universe would have to have an equivalent impulses of intelligence in its own physiology and consciousness in order to be called sentient. But one argue that even rocks here on earth have consciousness--albeit a very low one-- by its mere existence as a clump of matter in a form of the various elements and their resulting atomic structures. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, yes. The 12 houses and the zodiac would apply on any of those distant worlds. Their solar system may or may not have the same nine planets that we're using here on Earth. But the same impulses of intelligence would have to be calculated in its own solar system. I believe this is the reason why Patanjali wrote in his yoga sutras that samyama on the sun brings forth knowledge of the world. IOW, life on these earthlike exoplanets can be described by the same zodiac signs that are pertinent here on our earth. Doesn't that make sense? It depends on how astrology might work. Consciousness requires a sophisticated brain to operate, maybe they are affected by gravity which is the only known force to be infinite in extent, and therefore affects things at great distance unlike the other known forces which are locally contained like the ones that hold atoms apart. Trouble is, if gravity is the culprit then planets are out of the picture because they are too distant to affect us more than, say, a lorry going past on the road. And the extra distances put between us and them at various times in our orbit - that the ancients didn't know about - would affect any charts too much for them to be reliable, not that they are. So you can cross gravity off the list of influences, and any other field for the same reasons. John Hagelin claims there is a link between planets and parts of the brain forged by quantum superposition between atoms during the big bang. John Hagelin should be stripped of his PHD and publicly ridiculed for even daring to utter bullshit like this that he knows is complete bollocks. But he wants you to continue coughing up for yagyas and charts. Or maybe he's so dumb he believes it? Nah, it's all part of the con of using science ideas to justify their beliefs. If astrology is real - and there is absolutely no reason to suppose it is - I would avoid travelling to other planets. Just think what being on Mars would do to someone with Jupiter strong in their chart! You're about 100 million miles closer to it! And what affect will Earth have on us? Just think if there is some physical force connecting us to planets surely the one we stand on would swamp any effect from the others, or doesn't ours count? So your question makes sense if astrological affects are real, different worlds around different stars will have different types of influences according to however the types of planets and their distance from brains might affect their owners. It would have to be a universal effect. Trouble is, I think it's an ancient superstition that clings on into the modern world by virtue of it's malleable vagueness. I don't think it's a very good explanation for anything at all, especially destiny and personality. Probably why NASA left it out of the equation when they planned the trip to the moon. Fun concept to ponder though...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?
There is the consciousness theory to astrology but there is also very corresponding natural patterns which roughly correlate to the returns of planets. This more so with the Sun, the Moon, Saturn and Jupiter. So I would think what one would do is start tracking natural patterns on other planets which may just for the sake of simplicity correlate with planetary returns. But you are arguing with people who see nature as random and believe in free will. I think they fear the idea that everything they do and think is a result of patterns set in motion at the beginning of the universe. Nothing to fear as it doesn't matter. On 10/15/2014 12:41 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Salyavin, Tony Nader wrote a book showing where the nine planets or grahas can be found in our brain. He is saying that there is a physical manifestation of the impulses of intelligence that are present in the human conciousness. IMO, any intelligent being anywhere in the universe would have to have an equivalent impulses of intelligence in its own physiology and consciousness in order to be called sentient. But one argue that even rocks here on earth have consciousness--albeit a very low one-- by its mere existence as a clump of matter in a form of the various elements and their resulting atomic structures. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, yes. The 12 houses and the zodiac would apply on any of those distant worlds. Their solar system may or may not have the same nine planets that we're using here on Earth. But the same impulses of intelligence would have to be calculated in its own solar system. I believe this is the reason why Patanjali wrote in his yoga sutras that samyama on the sun brings forth knowledge of the world. IOW, life on these earthlike exoplanets can be described by the same zodiac signs that are pertinent here on our earth. Doesn't that make sense? It depends on how astrology might work. Consciousness requires a sophisticated brain to operate, maybe they are affected by gravity which is the only known force to be infinite in extent, and therefore affects things at great distance unlike the other known forces which are locally contained like the ones that hold atoms apart. Trouble is, if gravity is the culprit then planets are out of the picture because they are too distant to affect us more than, say, a lorry going past on the road. And the extra distances put between us and them at various times in our orbit - that the ancients didn't know about - would affect any charts too much for them to be reliable, not that they are. So you can cross gravity off the list of influences, and any other field for the same reasons. John Hagelin claims there is a link between planets and parts of the brain forged by quantum superposition between atoms during the big bang. John Hagelin should be stripped of his PHD and publicly ridiculed for even daring to utter bullshit like this that he /knows/ is complete bollocks. But he wants you to continue coughing up for yagyas and charts. Or maybe he's so dumb he believes it? Nah, it's all part of the con of using science ideas to justify their beliefs. If astrology is real - and there is absolutely no reason to suppose it is - I would avoid travelling to other planets. Just think what being on Mars would do to someone with Jupiter strong in their chart! You're about 100 million miles closer to it! And what affect will Earth have on us? Just think if there is some physical force connecting us to planets surely the one we stand on would swamp any effect from the others, or doesn't ours count? So your question makes sense if astrological affects are real, different worlds around different stars will have different types of influences according to however the types of planets and their distance from brains might affect their owners. It would have to be a universal effect. Trouble is, I think it's an ancient superstition that clings on into the modern world by virtue of it's malleable vagueness. I don't think it's a very good explanation for anything at all, especially destiny and personality. Probably why NASA left it out of the equation when they planned the trip to the moon. Fun concept to ponder though...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?
Barry, Astrology is an ancient science. But, with the present understanding that consciousness is the basis of the universe, one can appreciate the significance of astrology in modern science. Astrology can be seen as an advanced version of a sophisticated hologram based on human intelligence. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com If astrology is real - and there is absolutely no reason to suppose it is - I would avoid travelling to other planets. Just think what being on Mars would do to someone with Jupiter strong in their chart! You're about 100 million miles closer to it! And what affect will Earth have on us? Just think if there is some physical force connecting us to planets surely the one we stand on would swamp any effect from the others, or doesn't ours count? One Martian colonist to another: I have Earth in the first house. What does that make me? Earth doesn't do diddley-squat to you, no matter where it appears in your 'chart', but a belief in astrology by definition makes you a gullible idiot. I thought that the psychological tests for astronauts were supposed to screen out people like you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Irish Cross on Mars
Marty, That's a practical explanation. But I'm not sure that completely describes the picture we've seen on Mars. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, martyboi@... wrote : The image was taken with a microscopic camera on the rover. It's actually very tiny. Most likely it is the impression of a Phillips Screw Head that touched the surface dust as the camera's arm moved into position.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?
MJ, The pertinent sutra that Patanjali stated is scientific. The sun in our solar system, and any solar system in the universe, will affect life here on earth and in any exoplanets in predictable patterns. For example, spring starts the life cycle or growth here on earth; autumn starts the fall of the sun's power as can be seen in the turning of the leaves, and winter signifies the death of the sun, which brings the cold and snow on the earth's northern hemisphere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : this is superstitious hubris beyond superstitious hubris to think a made up lets make ourselves feel better about the big ol' bad world we live in mythology would effect the entire universe!!! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 2:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, yes. The 12 houses and the zodiac would apply on any of those distant worlds. Their solar system may or may not have the same nine planets that we're using here on Earth. But the same impulses of intelligence would have to be calculated in its own solar system. I believe this is the reason why Patanjali wrote in his yoga sutras that samyama on the sun brings forth knowledge of the world. IOW, life on these earthlike exoplanets can be described by the same zodiac signs that are pertinent here on our earth. Doesn't that make sense? It depends on how astrology might work. Consciousness requires a sophisticated brain to operate, maybe they are affected by gravity which is the only known force to be infinite in extent, and therefore affects things at great distance unlike the other known forces which are locally contained like the ones that hold atoms apart. Trouble is, if gravity is the culprit then planets are out of the picture because they are too distant to affect us more than, say, a lorry going past on the road. And the extra distances put between us and them at various times in our orbit - that the ancients didn't know about - would affect any charts too much for them to be reliable, not that they are. So you can cross gravity off the list of influences, and any other field for the same reasons. John Hagelin claims there is a link between planets and parts of the brain forged by quantum superposition between atoms during the big bang. John Hagelin should be stripped of his PHD and publicly ridiculed for even daring to utter bullshit like this that he knows is complete bollocks. But he wants you to continue coughing up for yagyas and charts. Or maybe he's so dumb he believes it? Nah, it's all part of the con of using science ideas to justify their beliefs. If astrology is real - and there is absolutely no reason to suppose it is - I would avoid travelling to other planets. Just think what being on Mars would do to someone with Jupiter strong in their chart! You're about 100 million miles closer to it! And what affect will Earth have on us? Just think if there is some physical force connecting us to planets surely the one we stand on would swamp any effect from the others, or doesn't ours count? So your question makes sense if astrological affects are real, different worlds around different stars will have different types of influences according to however the types of planets and their distance from brains might affect their owners. It would have to be a universal effect. Trouble is, I think it's an ancient superstition that clings on into the modern world by virtue of it's malleable vagueness. I don't think it's a very good explanation for anything at all, especially destiny and personality. Probably why NASA left it out of the equation when they planned the trip to the moon. Fun concept to ponder though...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?
astrology is ancient, science it is not, Calling jyotish, yagya and all that other stuff don't make it science. From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:50 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets? Barry, Astrology is an ancient science. But, with the present understanding that consciousness is the basis of the universe, one can appreciate the significance of astrology in modern science. Astrology can be seen as an advanced version of a sophisticated hologram based on human intelligence. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com If astrology is real - and there is absolutely no reason to suppose it is - I would avoid travelling to other planets. Just think what being on Mars would do to someone with Jupiter strong in their chart! You're about 100 million miles closer to it! And what affect will Earth have on us? Just think if there is some physical force connecting us to planets surely the one we stand on would swamp any effect from the others, or doesn't ours count? One Martian colonist to another: I have Earth in the first house. What does that make me? Earth doesn't do diddley-squat to you, no matter where it appears in your 'chart', but a belief in astrology by definition makes you a gullible idiot. I thought that the psychological tests for astronauts were supposed to screen out people like you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Irish Cross on Mars
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, martyboi@... wrote : The image was taken with a microscopic camera on the rover. It's actually very tiny. Most likely it is the impression of a Phillips Screw Head that touched the surface dust as the camera's arm moved into position. I think we have a winner! I thought Martian on a pogo stick
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?
Oh God, I just don't have the time today to properly address this statement - hopefully Sal does and I know he'll do a better job than I anyhow. From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets? MJ, The pertinent sutra that Patanjali stated is scientific. The sun in our solar system, and any solar system in the universe, will affect life here on earth and in any exoplanets in predictable patterns. For example, spring starts the life cycle or growth here on earth; autumn starts the fall of the sun's power as can be seen in the turning of the leaves, and winter signifies the death of the sun, which brings the cold and snow on the earth's northern hemisphere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : this is superstitious hubris beyond superstitious hubris to think a made up lets make ourselves feel better about the big ol' bad world we live in mythology would effect the entire universe!!! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 2:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, yes. The 12 houses and the zodiac would apply on any of those distant worlds. Their solar system may or may not have the same nine planets that we're using here on Earth. But the same impulses of intelligence would have to be calculated in its own solar system. I believe this is the reason why Patanjali wrote in his yoga sutras that samyama on the sun brings forth knowledge of the world. IOW, life on these earthlike exoplanets can be described by the same zodiac signs that are pertinent here on our earth. Doesn't that make sense? It depends on how astrology might work. Consciousness requires a sophisticated brain to operate, maybe they are affected by gravity which is the only known force to be infinite in extent, and therefore affects things at great distance unlike the other known forces which are locally contained like the ones that hold atoms apart. Trouble is, if gravity is the culprit then planets are out of the picture because they are too distant to affect us more than, say, a lorry going past on the road. And the extra distances put between us and them at various times in our orbit - that the ancients didn't know about - would affect any charts too much for them to be reliable, not that they are. So you can cross gravity off the list of influences, and any other field for the same reasons. John Hagelin claims there is a link between planets and parts of the brain forged by quantum superposition between atoms during the big bang. John Hagelin should be stripped of his PHD and publicly ridiculed for even daring to utter bullshit like this that he knows is complete bollocks. But he wants you to continue coughing up for yagyas and charts. Or maybe he's so dumb he believes it? Nah, it's all part of the con of using science ideas to justify their beliefs. If astrology is real - and there is absolutely no reason to suppose it is - I would avoid travelling to other planets. Just think what being on Mars would do to someone with Jupiter strong in their chart! You're about 100 million miles closer to it! And what affect will Earth have on us? Just think if there is some physical force connecting us to planets surely the one we stand on would swamp any effect from the others, or doesn't ours count? So your question makes sense if astrological affects are real, different worlds around different stars will have different types of influences according to however the types of planets and their distance from brains might affect their owners. It would have to be a universal effect. Trouble is, I think it's an ancient superstition that clings on into the modern world by virtue of it's malleable vagueness. I don't think it's a very good explanation for anything at all, especially destiny and personality. Probably why NASA left it out of the equation when they planned the trip to the moon. Fun concept to ponder though...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Barry, Astrology is an ancient science. But, with the present understanding that consciousness is the basis of the universe, one can appreciate the significance of astrology in modern science. Astrology can be seen as an advanced version of a sophisticated hologram based on human intelligence. Eh? Science? Consciousness is basis of the universe? Appreciate significance of astrology? Advanced version of a sophisticated hologram based on human intelligence? You live in the most amazing world John! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com If astrology is real - and there is absolutely no reason to suppose it is - I would avoid travelling to other planets. Just think what being on Mars would do to someone with Jupiter strong in their chart! You're about 100 million miles closer to it! And what affect will Earth have on us? Just think if there is some physical force connecting us to planets surely the one we stand on would swamp any effect from the others, or doesn't ours count? One Martian colonist to another: I have Earth in the first house. What does that make me? Earth doesn't do diddley-squat to you, no matter where it appears in your 'chart', but a belief in astrology by definition makes you a gullible idiot. I thought that the psychological tests for astronauts were supposed to screen out people like you.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Oh God, I just don't have the time today to properly address this statement - hopefully Sal does and I know he'll do a better job than I anyhow. Well, he's right, as long as the planet tilts like the Earth does! What I don't get is the relevance to anything astrological like we were talking about in the first place! From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets? MJ, The pertinent sutra that Patanjali stated is scientific. The sun in our solar system, and any solar system in the universe, will affect life here on earth and in any exoplanets in predictable patterns. For example, spring starts the life cycle or growth here on earth; autumn starts the fall of the sun's power as can be seen in the turning of the leaves, and winter signifies the death of the sun, which brings the cold and snow on the earth's northern hemisphere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : this is superstitious hubris beyond superstitious hubris to think a made up lets make ourselves feel better about the big ol' bad world we live in mythology would effect the entire universe!!! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 2:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, yes. The 12 houses and the zodiac would apply on any of those distant worlds. Their solar system may or may not have the same nine planets that we're using here on Earth. But the same impulses of intelligence would have to be calculated in its own solar system. I believe this is the reason why Patanjali wrote in his yoga sutras that samyama on the sun brings forth knowledge of the world. IOW, life on these earthlike exoplanets can be described by the same zodiac signs that are pertinent here on our earth. Doesn't that make sense? It depends on how astrology might work. Consciousness requires a sophisticated brain to operate, maybe they are affected by gravity which is the only known force to be infinite in extent, and therefore affects things at great distance unlike the other known forces which are locally contained like the ones that hold atoms apart. Trouble is, if gravity is the culprit then planets are out of the picture because they are too distant to affect us more than, say, a lorry going past on the road. And the extra distances put between us and them at various times in our orbit - that the ancients didn't know about - would affect any charts too much for them to be reliable, not that they are. So you can cross gravity off the list of influences, and any other field for the same reasons. John Hagelin claims there is a link between planets and parts of the brain forged by quantum superposition between atoms during the big bang. John Hagelin should be stripped of his PHD and publicly ridiculed for even daring to utter bullshit like this that he knows is complete bollocks. But he wants you to continue coughing up for yagyas and charts. Or maybe he's so dumb he believes it? Nah, it's all part of the con of using science ideas to justify their beliefs. If astrology is real - and there is absolutely no reason to suppose it is - I would avoid travelling to other planets. Just think what being on Mars would do to someone with Jupiter strong in their chart! You're about 100 million miles closer to it! And what affect will Earth have on us? Just think if there is some physical force connecting us to planets surely the one we stand on would swamp any effect from the others, or doesn't ours count? So your question makes sense if astrological affects are real, different worlds around different stars will have different types of influences according to however the types of planets and their distance from brains might affect their owners. It would have to be a universal effect. Trouble is, I think it's an ancient superstition that clings on into the modern world by virtue of it's malleable vagueness. I don't think it's a very good explanation for anything at all, especially destiny and personality. Probably why NASA left it out of the equation when they planned the trip to the moon. Fun concept to ponder though...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Salyavin, Tony Nader wrote a book showing where the nine planets or grahas can be found in our brain. He is saying that there is a physical manifestation of the impulses of intelligence that are present in the human conciousness. No he didn't. He wrote a book showing where he thinks some of them are found, he was unable to link planets not visible to the naked eye simply because the ancients - who didn't know any better - didn't have names for them. Ask yourself what sort of science it is that attaches some planets to atrology but not all? How much sense does it make? About as much as the rest of it. IMO, any intelligent being anywhere in the universe would have to have an equivalent impulses of intelligence in its own physiology and consciousness in order to be called sentient. Any intelligent being might have similar mistaken beliefs about the system they live in but would alter their theories once some improved information (like the bit I just gave you) came in. Just like the human race did. But one could argue that even rocks here on earth have consciousness--albeit a very low one-- by its mere existence as a clump of matter in a form of the various elements and their resulting atomic structures. One could, but they would be talking rubbish. In what way might a rock be conscious? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, yes. The 12 houses and the zodiac would apply on any of those distant worlds. Their solar system may or may not have the same nine planets that we're using here on Earth. But the same impulses of intelligence would have to be calculated in its own solar system. I believe this is the reason why Patanjali wrote in his yoga sutras that samyama on the sun brings forth knowledge of the world. IOW, life on these earthlike exoplanets can be described by the same zodiac signs that are pertinent here on our earth. Doesn't that make sense? It depends on how astrology might work. Consciousness requires a sophisticated brain to operate, maybe they are affected by gravity which is the only known force to be infinite in extent, and therefore affects things at great distance unlike the other known forces which are locally contained like the ones that hold atoms apart. Trouble is, if gravity is the culprit then planets are out of the picture because they are too distant to affect us more than, say, a lorry going past on the road. And the extra distances put between us and them at various times in our orbit - that the ancients didn't know about - would affect any charts too much for them to be reliable, not that they are. So you can cross gravity off the list of influences, and any other field for the same reasons. John Hagelin claims there is a link between planets and parts of the brain forged by quantum superposition between atoms during the big bang. John Hagelin should be stripped of his PHD and publicly ridiculed for even daring to utter bullshit like this that he knows is complete bollocks. But he wants you to continue coughing up for yagyas and charts. Or maybe he's so dumb he believes it? Nah, it's all part of the con of using science ideas to justify their beliefs. If astrology is real - and there is absolutely no reason to suppose it is - I would avoid travelling to other planets. Just think what being on Mars would do to someone with Jupiter strong in their chart! You're about 100 million miles closer to it! And what affect will Earth have on us? Just think if there is some physical force connecting us to planets surely the one we stand on would swamp any effect from the others, or doesn't ours count? So your question makes sense if astrological affects are real, different worlds around different stars will have different types of influences according to however the types of planets and their distance from brains might affect their owners. It would have to be a universal effect. Trouble is, I think it's an ancient superstition that clings on into the modern world by virtue of it's malleable vagueness. I don't think it's a very good explanation for anything at all, especially destiny and personality. Probably why NASA left it out of the equation when they planned the trip to the moon. Fun concept to ponder though...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic FLYING YES!!
just flying -just more than one inch in the air-and what a sight to behold Wingsuit 2014 [best moments] HD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRqnTODwvEA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRqnTODwvEA Wingsuit 2014 [best moments] HD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRqnTODwvEA SirensCeol - Coming Home (Original Mix) Join the flight - http://warthunder.ru/ru/registration?r=userinvite_196361 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRqnTODwvEA Preview by Yahoo no Yo yo ma ma gic enjoy ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : To paraphrase Yoko Ono, even just one inch in the air you are flying in the sky! Jai Guru Dev,Jai Maharishi!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
Ann, The Maharishi Effect, is not about belief. It is about a shift in identity, from me, to us. Not in some phony way, but an actual shift, in empathy, compassion, and even beyond that, sensing oneself, that 'finest feeling level, we are all familiar with, strengthening that, not just for me, but for everyone, everything, becoming a source of life giving and supporting energy, globally. That can never be accomplished within the obvious boundaries, of our individual minds and bodies . But, if we break down some of these self-imposed boundaries, of ourselves, again, not through belief, but through integrating experience, Being, then, this effect, of thousands of fliers (that being the sutra of greatest integration of Being), is truly one that unites us, as a global people, and begins to calm a rapidly changing world, in the direction of peace, and a better world. Not through belief, but by reaching a profound, and sustainable, Being. Maharishi always operated like that, from the intro lecture, on - peace begins at home, and once that is established, go for the world. It is a very exciting time, with every possible institution, system, leader, and big idea, under the microscope of ubiquitous communication, encyclopedias in a thumbprint, and everyone on the Internet. All it takes is the right momentum, at the right time, encouragement of the other side of life, away from violence, and exploitation. The genius of the Maharishi Effect, just as Maharishi accomplished with the TM technique, is to find the combination most efficient, in terms of the program for each individual, and their congregation, to effect world peace, in a mechanical way. There is no need for belief, or hope - As the Nike ad says, Just Do It, and the rest follows. I promise. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being too kind - Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic! I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars. Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold. Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic. I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt. I can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care! Here is the thing, why isn't a meditation technique good enough to hang your hat on as a Movement? Why bother to start claiming all sorts of Maharishi Effects when all anyone really needs is a sound meditation technique? I don't know if TM is the greatest or bestest out there because I don't like sitting during my waking hours with my eyes closed when there is so much else to do and see so I simply don't scope out other techniques to compare. But the ME? I don't believe any of it for a minute. But why is the ME even necessary to put out there? If human beings are benefiting personally from a technique then the whole world should benefit due to the individuals becoming happier, calmer, more grounded.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?
Bhairitu, IMO, this is what Patanjali was saying in the sutra that's mentioned in this thread. That is, on earthlike exoplanets, the same annual patterns that are found here on earth can be found there. IOW, those exoplanets would have an equivalent to spring, summer, autumn and winter. As sentient beings, we have to realize that the annual patterns on earth affect us physiologically and mentally. We are part of the earth's life cycle. Or, one can look at it in another way: we are part of the celebration of life here on earth. But logic and self-introspection show us that we all have a unique self that knows it knows, independent of nature's mechanical functions. This is the reason why I believe that the various states of human consciousness are the natural extension of space and time. IOW, the various states of consciousness are the higher dimensions above spacetime. These higher dimensions are not hidden or curled up in space. Rather, they are the potential that are inherent in nature. It's a story of the Self creating matter in order to develop to know Itself. The Bhagavad Gita has mentioned this eternal cycle of creativity of the Self. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : There is the consciousness theory to astrology but there is also very corresponding natural patterns which roughly correlate to the returns of planets. This more so with the Sun, the Moon, Saturn and Jupiter. So I would think what one would do is start tracking natural patterns on other planets which may just for the sake of simplicity correlate with planetary returns. But you are arguing with people who see nature as random and believe in free will. I think they fear the idea that everything they do and think is a result of patterns set in motion at the beginning of the universe. Nothing to fear as it doesn't matter. On 10/15/2014 12:41 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Salyavin, Tony Nader wrote a book showing where the nine planets or grahas can be found in our brain. He is saying that there is a physical manifestation of the impulses of intelligence that are present in the human conciousness. IMO, any intelligent being anywhere in the universe would have to have an equivalent impulses of intelligence in its own physiology and consciousness in order to be called sentient. But one argue that even rocks here on earth have consciousness--albeit a very low one-- by its mere existence as a clump of matter in a form of the various elements and their resulting atomic structures. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, yes. The 12 houses and the zodiac would apply on any of those distant worlds. Their solar system may or may not have the same nine planets that we're using here on Earth. But the same impulses of intelligence would have to be calculated in its own solar system. I believe this is the reason why Patanjali wrote in his yoga sutras that samyama on the sun brings forth knowledge of the world. IOW, life on these earthlike exoplanets can be described by the same zodiac signs that are pertinent here on our earth. Doesn't that make sense? It depends on how astrology might work. Consciousness requires a sophisticated brain to operate, maybe they are affected by gravity which is the only known force to be infinite in extent, and therefore affects things at great distance unlike the other known forces which are locally contained like the ones that hold atoms apart. Trouble is, if gravity is the culprit then planets are out of the picture because they are too distant to affect us more than, say, a lorry going past on the road. And the extra distances put between us and them at various times in our orbit - that the ancients didn't know about - would affect any charts too much for them to be reliable, not that they are. So you can cross gravity off the list of influences, and any other field for the same reasons. John Hagelin claims there is a link between planets and parts of the brain forged by quantum superposition between atoms during the big bang. John Hagelin should be stripped of his PHD and publicly ridiculed for even daring to utter bullshit like this that he knows is complete bollocks. But he wants you to continue coughing up for yagyas and charts. Or maybe he's so dumb he believes it? Nah, it's all part of the con of using science ideas to justify their beliefs. If astrology is real - and there is absolutely no reason to suppose it is - I would avoid travelling to other planets. Just think what being on Mars would do to someone with Jupiter strong in their chart! You're about 100 million miles closer to it! And
Re: [FairfieldLife] Irish Cross on Mars
John, sorry I was using that 100 monkeys as an analogy. Meaning that if rocks shift around randomly for all eternity, they eventually will make every pattern possible. No monkeys needed! On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 2:17 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Share, So far as we can tell, there are no monkeys on Mars. One can speculate that there was once an intelligent being on the planet. IMO, the rovers should be able to discover more anomalies the longer they stay operational in the future. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, I'm not sure if it's logical, but I'll go with the 100 monkeys typing for eternity explanation...or should we say, 100 monkeys chiseling away on rocks for eternity (-: On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:47 PM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: The rover Opportunity found this unusual marking on the planet. Does anyone have a logical explanation? http://www.examiner.com/article/irish-cross-embedded-mars-rock-opportunity-rover-photos-ancient-symbol
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?
Depends on what is meant by earthlike exoplanets. They would need to have the same distance from their star as earth does from the sun, the same direction for rotation and the same orbital period. Remember that astronomy was born of a need for knowing planetary positions in astrology. Kepler made his living by drawing up charts for astrologers. So it is a good idea for *any* astrologer to become knowledgeable about astronomy. There could be planets with living beings who have two suns and even more than one moon. I would say any use of astrology there might take on completely different cycles especially if astrology is just a primitive method of tracking natural cycles. You are much safer to assert the use of planets as cycle markers than going into their connection with consciousness which is still a bit out of reach for science to research yet. As for the skeptics here, none of them are scientists so don't worry about them. On 10/15/2014 01:47 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Bhairitu, IMO, this is what Patanjali was saying in the sutra that's mentioned in this thread. That is, on earthlike exoplanets, the same annual patterns that are found here on earth can be found there. IOW, those exoplanets would have an equivalent to spring, summer, autumn and winter. As sentient beings, we have to realize that the annual patterns on earth affect us physiologically and mentally. We are part of the earth's life cycle. Or, one can look at it in another way: we are part of the celebration of life here on earth. But logic and self-introspection show us that we all have a unique self that knows it knows, independent of nature's mechanical functions. This is the reason why I believe that the various states of human consciousness are the natural extension of space and time. IOW, the various states of consciousness are the higher dimensions above spacetime. These higher dimensions are not hidden or curled up in space. Rather, they are the potential that are inherent in nature. It's a story of the Self creating matter in order to develop to know Itself. The Bhagavad Gita has mentioned this eternal cycle of creativity of the Self. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : There is the consciousness theory to astrology but there is also very corresponding natural patterns which roughly correlate to the returns of planets. This more so with the Sun, the Moon, Saturn and Jupiter. So I would think what one would do is start tracking natural patterns on other planets which may just for the sake of simplicity correlate with planetary returns. But you are arguing with people who see nature as random and believe in free will. I think they fear the idea that everything they do and think is a result of patterns set in motion at the beginning of the universe. Nothing to fear as it doesn't matter. On 10/15/2014 12:41 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Salyavin, Tony Nader wrote a book showing where the nine planets or grahas can be found in our brain. He is saying that there is a physical manifestation of the impulses of intelligence that are present in the human conciousness. IMO, any intelligent being anywhere in the universe would have to have an equivalent impulses of intelligence in its own physiology and consciousness in order to be called sentient. But one argue that even rocks here on earth have consciousness--albeit a very low one-- by its mere existence as a clump of matter in a form of the various elements and their resulting atomic structures. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, yes. The 12 houses and the zodiac would apply on any of those distant worlds. Their solar system may or may not have the same nine planets that we're using here on Earth. But the same impulses of intelligence would have to be calculated in its own solar system. I believe this is the reason why Patanjali wrote in his yoga sutras that samyama on the sun brings forth knowledge of the world. IOW, life on these earthlike exoplanets can be described by the same zodiac signs that are pertinent here on our earth. Doesn't that make sense? It depends on how astrology might work. Consciousness requires a sophisticated brain to operate, maybe they are affected by gravity which is the only known force to be infinite in extent, and therefore affects things at great distance unlike the other known forces which are locally contained like the ones that hold atoms apart. Trouble is, if gravity is the culprit then planets are out of the picture because they are too distant to affect us more than, say, a lorry going past on the road. And the extra distances put
[FairfieldLife] Monsanto just lost a whole country
The government of the Netherlands just took a huge step to protect its citizens – and it's time more countries did the same. Monsanto's Roundup, a toxic weedkiller that contaminates soil and water, causes devastating health problems in humans who are exposed to it. Now it's illegal for private persons to buy it in the Netherlands. Monsanto just lost a whole country. http://action.sumofus.org/a/monsanto-roundup-banned/?sub=fb http://action.sumofus.org/a/monsanto-roundup-banned/?sub=fb Monsanto just lost a whole country. http://action.sumofus.org/a/monsanto-roundup-banned/?sub=fb The Dutch parliament banned the sale of Roundup, Monsanto's favorite poison. View on action.sumofus.org http://action.sumofus.org/a/monsanto-roundup-banned/?sub=fb Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
You may be correct, but Raja Luis seems to be sincere and what little fact-checking I can do seems to corroborate other claims he has made. For example, he says that the Peruvian government wants to extend the pilot project, where 30,000 students practice TM, to 250,000 and have existing school teachers trained as TM teacher so that they will teach TM instead of outsiders. I can't verify the second half, but the first half seems true: Enseñan meditación a 30,000 escolares http://www.elperuano.com.pe/edicion/noticia-ensenan-meditacion-a-3-escolares-19707.aspx#.VD761r4e2Uk http://www.elperuano.com.pe/edicion/noticia-ensenan-meditacion-a-3-escolares-19707.aspx#.VD761r4e2Uk Enseñan meditación a 30,000 escolares http://www.elperuano.com.pe/edicion/noticia-ensenan-meditacion-a-3-escolares-19707.aspx#.VD761r4e2Uk Son las tres de la tarde, suena el timbre y los alumnos de cuarto, quinto y sexto de primaria del colegio César Vallejo, en La Victoria, saben que es el momento de ... View on www.elperua... http://www.elperuano.com.pe/edicion/noticia-ensenan-meditacion-a-3-escolares-19707.aspx#.VD761r4e2Uk Preview by Yahoo El Peruano is the official daily newspaper of the Peruvian government, so the first half checks out, at least. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I think Turq nailed it some time ago when he said the TMO has never wanted to have a group big enough to do what they claim it will because then the proof will be there - giant group of yogic flyers - no world peace - no more donations. I think they are making the same exhortation Marshy used to use to get people to donate for a 10,000 group. Since they have asked repeatedly for that number and nothing has ever come of it, they have to make it bigger, make the stakes and the promises bigger to get more donations. And if they aren't hitting people up for money for the big groups now they will. Then they will continue to ask for money even tho the groups never materialize or come up with some other big project to replace this one without ever explaining what happened to the 50,000 for instant peace. Another misdirection technique they learned from the Fraud Master Marshy. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being too kind - Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic! I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars. Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold. Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic. I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt. I can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Monsanto just lost a whole country
Although the dangers of GMO crops and Monsanto is the ONE area you and I agree on, this is much ado about nothing simply because the cowardly Dutch government has banned Roundup from PRIVATE citizen use but not for agricultural use, which is by FAR the largest use in the country. The amount backyard gardeners use is minute compared to farm use. This amounts to very little in the effort to get Roundup banned altogether. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 6:10 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Monsanto just lost a whole country The government of the Netherlands just took a huge step to protect its citizens – and it's time more countries did the same. Monsanto's Roundup, a toxic weedkiller that contaminates soil and water, causes devastating health problems in humans who are exposed to it. Now it's illegal for private persons to buy it in the Netherlands. Monsanto just lost a whole country. Monsanto just lost a whole country. The Dutch parliament banned the sale of Roundup, Monsanto's favorite poison. View on action.sumofus.org Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ebola On A Plane!
On 10/15/2014 12:34 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, I admit that when the first ebola victims were taken to Atlanta, I wondered how they were dealing with the contaminated waste, of which I'm sure there was a lot. I mean, lots of waste is one of the symptoms. So, where were they putting all that contaminated waste? Still taking a little colloidal silver every day here. /They may have used the city water system to dispose of some of the contaminated waste. //Some big mistakes have been made.//I wouldn't be surprised if they section off part of Dallas and put people in quarantine in a few days. Go figure./ When staff at Emory University Hospital in Atlanta were treating multiple Ebola patients last August, they couldn’t get pizza delivered, couriers refused to handle vials of blood from those patients and the county threatened to shut off the hospital’s access to sewer lines over concerns about waste from patients, The New York Times reported. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ebola-panic-hits-tv-news-740796 On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 12:25 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: /So, two nurses are now infected with Ebola from the first patient they were taking care of that died. What else could go wrong?// // //On October 13, one of the nurses that took care of the first Ebola patient took a plane trip to Cleveland and back to Dallas. When she got back she was diagnosed with Ebola and put in quarantine. According to what I've read, 77 people at the hospital were involved in caring for the first Ebola patient. //And, the nurses were taking care of other patients in the hospital.// //Apparently the hospital tube system was used to transport Ebola tissue to the hospital lab. The trash is piling up with contaminated waste and the hospital cafeteria is like a ghost town. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire medial center is shut down in a few days and the entire staff is quarantined. //There is no protocol for treating or containing Ebola. // We are in the best of hands!// / DALLAS – The CDC has announced that the second healthcare worker diagnosed with Ebola — now identified as Amber Joy Vinson of Dallas — traveled by air Oct. 13, the day before she first reported symptoms... http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/15/ebola-patient-traveled-day-before-diagnosis/ /The problem is that we know so little about the transmission of Ebola. What if it turns out that an infection can be transmitted in the air? Apparently we have a Texas nurse getting the Ebola virus - can you get Ebola by walking down the hall in a hospital? Go figure. / /Also, if there is a breach of hospital protocol while caring for an Ebola patient and a worker gets Ebola, should the worker get fired? And, what happens if they check your temperature when you get on a plane to the U.S. and then you get a fever and throw up in the aisle while in flight?// // //So many questions, so few answers. Go figure./ (Reuters) - A Texas health worker who provided care for the first person diagnosed with Ebola in the United States has tested positive for the deadly virus in a preliminary examination, a state health official said on Sunday... 'Texas health care worker tests positive for Ebola' http://news.yahoo.com/texas-health-care-worker-tests-positive-ebola-100052941.html alt /Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, Dallas, Texas/ /It is very difficult to screen for Ebola. So far, there have been no cases of transmission on flights during this outbreak. The real problem is when the disease becomes airborne. So far, this hasn't happened yet either. Air-born Ebola on a plane is going to be a nightmare! / NEW YORK - Customs and health officials began taking the temperatures of passengers arriving at New York's Kennedy International Airport from three West African countries on Saturday in a stepped-up screening effort meant to prevent the spread of the Ebola virus... 'Stepped-up Ebola screening starts at NYC airport' Associated Press: http://tinyurl.com/lcu9bw7 The UK is to begin screening some passengers who have traveled from Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea for signs of Ebola virus disease. http://www.bbc.com/news/health-29549722 Signs and symptoms of Ebola infection: Fever (greater than 38.6°C or 101.5°F) Severe headache Muscle pain Weakness Diarrhea Vomiting Abdominal (stomach) pain http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/symptoms/index.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ebola On A Plane!
On 10/15/2014 1:32 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: And just imagine if it starts spreading by air and their is a national quarantine in the US? Wouldn't that be fun? How would you get your mail, groceries and pay your bills? And then they force you to get some vaccine that hasn't been tested enough to know it's long range effects. Of course with all this the economy collapses. We sure live in interesting times like in the middle of a sci-fi movie. :-D /There is no evidence that the Ebola virus can transmitted through the air, but in any case, you should probably avoid all public places like airports and bus terminals; make sure you live upstream and as far away from a hospital or medical clinic as you can get./ /Stock up on canned goods and bottles of filtered water./ On 10/15/2014 10:34 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, I admit that when the first ebola victims were taken to Atlanta, I wondered how they were dealing with the contaminated waste, of which I'm sure there was a lot. I mean, lots of waste is one of the symptoms. So, where were they putting all that contaminated waste? Still taking a little colloidal silver every day here. On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 12:25 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: /So, two nurses are now infected with Ebola from the first patient they were taking care of that died. What else could go wrong?// // //On October 13, one of the nurses that took care of the first Ebola patient took a plane trip to Cleveland and back to Dallas. When she got back she was diagnosed with Ebola and put in quarantine. According to what I've read, 77 people at the hospital were involved in caring for the first Ebola patient. //And, the nurses were taking care of other patients in the hospital.// //Apparently the hospital tube system was used to transport Ebola tissue to the hospital lab. The trash is piling up with contaminated waste and the hospital cafeteria is like a ghost town. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire medial center is shut down in a few days and the entire staff is quarantined. //There is no protocol for treating or containing Ebola. // We are in the best of hands!// / DALLAS – The CDC has announced that the second healthcare worker diagnosed with Ebola — now identified as Amber Joy Vinson of Dallas — traveled by air Oct. 13, the day before she first reported symptoms... http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/15/ebola-patient-traveled-day-before-diagnosis/ /The problem is that we know so little about the transmission of Ebola. What if it turns out that an infection can be transmitted in the air? Apparently we have a Texas nurse getting the Ebola virus - can you get Ebola by walking down the hall in a hospital? Go figure. / /Also, if there is a breach of hospital protocol while caring for an Ebola patient and a worker gets Ebola, should the worker get fired? And, what happens if they check your temperature when you get on a plane to the U.S. and then you get a fever and throw up in the aisle while in flight?// // //So many questions, so few answers. Go figure./ (Reuters) - A Texas health worker who provided care for the first person diagnosed with Ebola in the United States has tested positive for the deadly virus in a preliminary examination, a state health official said on Sunday... 'Texas health care worker tests positive for Ebola' http://news.yahoo.com/texas-health-care-worker-tests-positive-ebola-100052941.html alt /Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, Dallas, Texas/ /It is very difficult to screen for Ebola. So far, there have been no cases of transmission on flights during this outbreak. The real problem is when the disease becomes airborne. So far, this hasn't happened yet either. Air-born Ebola on a plane is going to be a nightmare! / NEW YORK - Customs and health officials began taking the temperatures of passengers arriving at New York's Kennedy International Airport from three West African countries on Saturday in a stepped-up screening effort meant to prevent the spread of the Ebola virus... 'Stepped-up Ebola screening starts at NYC airport' Associated Press: http://tinyurl.com/lcu9bw7 The UK is to begin screening some passengers who have traveled from Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea for signs of Ebola virus disease. http://www.bbc.com/news/health-29549722 Signs and symptoms of Ebola infection: Fever (greater than 38.6°C or 101.5°F) Severe headache Muscle pain Weakness Diarrhea Vomiting Abdominal (stomach) pain http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/symptoms/index.html
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Russell Brand on Wall Street
So that's why M went to the Soviet Union after leaving India to spiritually regenerate the world? On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 9:47 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Communism is the most intelligent political system - Maharishi
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Russell Brand on Wall Street
See, Mike, you've been part of a Communist plot all along and didn't know it. :-D On 10/15/2014 05:24 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: So that's why M went to the Soviet Union after leaving India to spiritually regenerate the world? On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 9:47 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Communism is the most intelligent political system - Maharishi
[FairfieldLife] Jerry Seinfeld: I Love Energy + other TM news
+ Rick Rubin on TM and Music VIEW EMAIL WITH IMAGES OCTOBER 15, 2014 Comedian Jerry Seinfeld: “I Love Energy” Jerry Seinfeld shares one good reason why he loves and practices the Transcendental Meditation technique—it gives him energy. “I love energy. I love it. And I pursue it, and I want more of it. Physical and mental energy, to me, are the greatest riches of human life. And TM is like a free account of an endless amount of it.” READ MORE | VIDEO | SHARE Legendary Music Producer Rick Rubin on TM and Music TM Brings Relief to Moms Traumatized by Violence Rick Rubin learned the Transcendental Meditation technique when he was 14 years old, and went on to produce landmark albums for Kanye West, Johnny Cash, Red Hot Chili Peppers, and the Dixie Chicks. “TM allows me to be very present with the artists I’m with. I’ve bought TM for artists, and I’ve made albums where we would meditate before each session.” Beti Guevara’s brother was killed 38 years ago. “For all these years, I’ve been fighting with my brain. I took medication to forget, but you can never forget.” After learning TM, “I can think clearly, I’m calmer, and I can finally sleep.” In this article and audio interview, learn how TM is offering relief to a group of Chicago moms affected by violence. READ MORE | SHARE READ MORE | LISTEN | SHARE Life in Eternal Bliss Consciousness In 1968, hundreds of Meditators came from all over Canada to enjoy a special one-week course at Alberta's beautiful Lake Louise. In this talk, Maharishi provides a simple, yet profound introduction to TM and its potential for developing all aspects of life. WATCH VIDEO | SHARE ©2014 Maharishi Foundation USA, a non-profit educational organization. All rights reserved. Transcendental Meditation® and TM® are protected trademarks and are used in the U.S. under license or with permission.
[FairfieldLife] US Strikes in Korbani
These strikes should blunt the militants' will to capture the town. For any reasonable fighter, one should quit the fight if one is heavily outgunned. The militants are obviously sitting ducks against the US warplanes. It's only a matter of days when they will quit and leave town. http://news.yahoo.com/us-keeps-intensified-strikes-near-syrian-city-152319827--politics.html http://news.yahoo.com/us-keeps-intensified-strikes-near-syrian-city-152319827--politics.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
On 10/15/2014 12:30 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: no affiliation with the TMO except that is for the pedophile co-directors they have on staff. /You were the on staff MUI co-director of cookie baking, right?/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Ann, The Maharishi Effect, is not about belief. It is about a shift in identity, from me, to us. Not in some phony way, but an actual shift, in empathy, compassion, and even beyond that, sensing oneself, that 'finest feeling level, we are all familiar with, strengthening that, not just for me, but for everyone, everything, becoming a source of life giving and supporting energy, globally. That can never be accomplished within the obvious boundaries, of our individual minds and bodies . But, if we break down some of these self-imposed boundaries, of ourselves, again, not through belief, but through integrating experience, Being, then, this effect, of thousands of fliers (that being the sutra of greatest integration of Being), is truly one that unites us, as a global people, and begins to calm a rapidly changing world, in the direction of peace, and a better world. Not through belief, but by reaching a profound, and sustainable, Being. Maharishi always operated like that, from the intro lecture, on - peace begins at home, and once that is established, go for the world. It is a very exciting time, with every possible institution, system, leader, and big idea, under the microscope of ubiquitous communication, encyclopedias in a thumbprint, and everyone on the Internet. All it takes is the right momentum, at the right time, encouragement of the other side of life, away from violence, and exploitation. The genius of the Maharishi Effect, just as Maharishi accomplished with the TM technique, is to find the combination most efficient, in terms of the program for each individual, and their congregation, to effect world peace, in a mechanical way. There is no need for belief, or hope - As the Nike ad says, Just Do It, and the rest follows. I promise. I understand that it is not reliant on believe for the ME to work. I also think that for individuals to become more in tune with the world around them then it means that they first have to have access to what is available within themselves - the good stuff - then the rest will follow in terms of a macro effect. But I am not convinced that 1% of a population meditating has accomplished much of anything in terms of implementing/encouraging peace on a grand scale. On the other hand, I just haven't been paying attention to any of this since the mid 80's so I am, no doubt, out of the loop.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : just help you feel a bit refreshed on the train on the way home from work. This is what the vast majority of non-True Believers yet TM apologists like Ann and Steve believe - since it made them feel good on the train going home, lets ignore all the other crap that comes with it. That is a silly paragraph, MJ. I am no apologist for TM - I don't care enough about it all to bother to be one. However, I believe in hearing both sides of a story and to carefully consider other facts and not just the opinions of a few people here. I am sorry to have to tell you that I ultimately don't care if TM is a sham or not. You can try and convince the world that it is and others are welcome to believe it is a truly great technique and MMY was a saint. He is now dead so he can not continue to do things to drive you crazy - that is a blessing. You are no longer involved with the Movement so for that you can be thankful that, unless you piss them off enough, they have no power over you that you don't already give them. I ignore all the other crap that purportedly goes on the in Movement because, frankly, I don't give a crap. As I have said before, the worst case scenario for TM in my books is that it does nothing and the best case is that it is bringing people to deeper realization and even enlightenment (if there is such a thing). But apologist, is not what I am. Be careful that you don't define an apologist as one who isn't anti something. As Share loves to gush, don't throw out the baby with the bath water and it is these TM apologists who are not fanatics that give the Movement far more credibility with those who are just getting introduced to TM through D Lynch and his shenanigans than if TM were purely promoted by whack jobs like Nabby and those idiots on the Committee for Stress Free Schools who CLAIM to have no affiliation with the TMO, but are just concerned businessmen who just happen to know TM is the most effective remedy for school problems - no affiliation with the TMO except that is for the pedophile co-directors they have on staff.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
On 10/15/2014 9:15 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, I like you a lot and I enjoy many of your posts. I just hope that you see the irony of your saying that it's the redundant factor that is so disappointing. I'm just saying: I think you've posted turq's quote about Rama's rising off the couch so many times, I almost know it by heart! /Thanks. I get a kick out of making Barry look like a dumb True Believer - he is so arrogant and boastful when he makes fun of the average TMer. So , let's review: Barry said he saw Fred Lenz slowly lifting up off the sofa and sitting in midair for two to three minutes. Or stepping up off the ground in the desert and then flying around several feet above the ground for a while. / /http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143231/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
Note to Lurking Reporters. Dear RP's. Does it seem strange that this 70 year old man, Mr. Barry Wright, spends as much time as he does trying to find faults in an organization he left some 40 years ago? Does it seem odd, that he would become so animated when he finds what he feels is an out of whack comment by another member of the forum, as though all the time he puts in here, has had some payoff? Does it, again, seem odd, that another member here, Mr. Michael Jackson, seems to have taken on, as a part of his life mission uncovering all the faults of the TM organization and it's founder, repeating the same lines over and over each day? Dear Mr. and Ms. Lurking Reporters. Please reveal yourselves, and weight in on some of issues and behaviors you observe here. One word of caution though. If you response does not meet with the expectations of Mr. Wright, he will turn on you in angry fashion as he did with another member here a week or so ago. If interested, you can re-visit this exchange between Mr. Wright, and a Mr.Blue Bungalow. Mr. Wright went positively ballistic. Mr. Bungalow, remained nonplussed. Sort of revealing, I'd say for the guy who claims to be so unattached to anything that goes on here. Just sayin' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were asking me to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were certifiably paranoid and committed to a them vs. us mentality. I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it. :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement It includes the armed men we caught on the bridge between hotels Sonnenberg and Kulm. It also includes dozens of agents that took TTC many of whom went on to Purusha. It also includeds Governors so poor that when they waved a few thousands dollars in front of their anemic noses they did almost anything to make their new masters happy. Not that they had to do much, a weekly report sent to their accounting officer was all that was needed to adhere to the strict rules of economic self-suffisciency always present within the Movement. So when we started looking, which included asking a few questions in the countries they came from, they needed some pretty good explanation to where the money came from. Now, that's what I call a real enemy that was always fun to try to track. They did it not because they had some screews loose but to protect their country, which is a honorable thing to do. The wacko's of today has no such honor and cannot touch the Movement. All they'll accomplish is some momentary swelling of ego's already out of control.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
Sal, it's always a pleasure to hear the disaffected cry how the TMO has reached a new low Oh, how many times do we have to hear that? As though, you were really pulling for the organization up to this point. Please have a bit of self reflection. It will do all of us, and especially you, a world of good. Pretty please. With sugar on top, maybe? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being too kind - Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic! I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars. Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold. Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic. I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt. I can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care! See When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encycl... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the World is a classic work of soci... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails Preview by Yahoo . While having the ME completely disproven might deter some people, my suspicion is that any TM True Believer still gullible enough to still be a TB at this point would just put on their big boy pants and tough their way through it, finding an infinite series of loopholes to show that the prophecy of world peace really DID happen, if you just look at it the right way. Or that it was delayed as part of a larger plan for world peace. Whatever... Yes, you could be right. Hopefully we'll see. Maybe we'll get some more gems to add to the list of reasons why things don't work. Good book that, one of my favourites. Most interesting and I remember feeling sorry for them when the UFO didn't arrive, much as I'll feel sorry for Nabby when Maitreya doesn't. Not that he'll care or even notice... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails; class=ygrps-yiv-1980499989ygrps-yiv-145149510link-enhancr-card-urlWrapper ygrps-yiv-1980499989ygrps-yiv-145149510link-enhancr-element When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the World is a classic work of social psychology by Leon F... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Irish Cross on Mars
That is so cool Marty. I like that science. Clean. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, martyboi@... wrote : The image was taken with a microscopic camera on the rover. It's actually very tiny. Most likely it is the impression of a Phillips Screw Head that touched the surface dust as the camera's arm moved into position.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
the gift that keeps on giving. this from the guy who bragged in detail about all the celestial and refined experiences he had with his practice of TM Yoohoo, Oh, Lurking Reporters. Get ello of of this. A couple months ago, this Mr. Michael Jackson felt the need to trump everyone here with all the great experiences he had as a result of his practice. When it was politely pointed out to him, that he was talking out of both sides of his mouth, he said, hold on, give me time to come up with a reply, and a couple days later, we were treated to the most idiotic retraction you could possibly imagine. This guy is a piece of work. Cult mentality at work? Study this one! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : just help you feel a bit refreshed on the train on the way home from work. This is what the vast majority of non-True Believers yet TM apologists like Ann and Steve believe - since it made them feel good on the train going home, lets ignore all the other crap that comes with it. As Share loves to gush, don't throw out the baby with the bath water and it is these TM apologists who are not fanatics that give the Movement far more credibility with those who are just getting introduced to TM through D Lynch and his shenanigans than if TM were purely promoted by whack jobs like Nabby and those idiots on the Committee for Stress Free Schools who CLAIM to have no affiliation with the TMO, but are just concerned businessmen who just happen to know TM is the most effective remedy for school problems - no affiliation with the TMO except that is for the pedophile co-directors they have on staff. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being too kind - Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic! I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars. Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold. Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic. I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt. I can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care! Here is the thing, why isn't a meditation technique good enough to hang your hat on as a Movement? Why bother to start claiming all sorts of Maharishi Effects when all anyone really needs is a sound meditation technique? I don't know if TM is the greatest or bestest out there because I don't like sitting during my waking hours with my eyes closed when there is so much else to do and see so I simply don't scope out other techniques to compare. But the ME? I don't believe any of it for a minute. But why is the ME even necessary to put out there? If human beings are benefiting personally from a technique then the whole world should benefit due to the individuals becoming happier, calmer, more grounded. I quite agree, but you don't know the half of it. The movement has simply the most extraordinary worldview with revolutionary ideas encompassing and governing literally every aspect of life - the constitution of the universe. You don't just have a human body, you have one that's created by vedic literature. You don't just have a mind, it really is the unified field of all things and only TM can show you the truth of the way things are. I think it's about self aggrandisement, instead of being just a technique it's about being the greatest group of any kind ever. Something to feel elite about, and it has the secret language that keeps the brethren close and reinforces the belief system. It's also better for the organisation that instead of just meditating you are creating world peace - once you've swallowed the concept of non-local consciousness you find there is a range of technologies like yagya's for you to invest in that help both you and the world. When you get into thinking in a TMO way, the world is a very different place and the completeness of it is impressive, health, education, war. All controlled by this unified field thingy that, if you are in touch with it,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
well, of course they infiltrated the group. to what extent, I have no idea. just like they probably infiltrate any number of organizations. try to enlighten your friend Barry, that this type of thing is done. the scenario Nabby puts forth sounds a little extreme, but I have no idea. I was not aware of the things he describes. On the other hand, I was in Seelisberg only one time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : First off, I am willing to believe the CIA did send folks to check on what Marshy was doing since they and our FBI have certainly infiltrated many a group to see what they were about. But you seem to allege that there were dozens of agents - not likely maybe one or two but Marshy never merited that kind of attention that would require dozens of CIA agents. Plus the way you tell it, Movement security (which has always been a joke in every Movement facility I was ever in, and that includes your German Purusha Nazi types who wear swastikas under their ties and celebrate Uncle Adolph's birthday) that means Movement security was way more savvy and astute than trained CIA agents??? Not likely. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it. :-) Nonsense. I don't believe in it, I know it happened because I was part of it. Even one of my friends was caught red-handed with a letter to his accounting officer and quickly admitted to having work for the German intelligence, who was just a subdivision of the CIA. Maharishi simply asked him if he would break the ties, he did and is fulltime in the Movement to this day.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?
I don't think salyavin is much willing to speculate beyond what hard science has found. Certainly the safest way to proceed, but not really how big discoveries are made. his prerogative of course. on the other hand, he will be a big booster once something is ascertained. (leading from behind) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : There is the consciousness theory to astrology but there is also very corresponding natural patterns which roughly correlate to the returns of planets. This more so with the Sun, the Moon, Saturn and Jupiter. So I would think what one would do is start tracking natural patterns on other planets which may just for the sake of simplicity correlate with planetary returns. But you are arguing with people who see nature as random and believe in free will. I think they fear the idea that everything they do and think is a result of patterns set in motion at the beginning of the universe. Nothing to fear as it doesn't matter. On 10/15/2014 12:41 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Salyavin, Tony Nader wrote a book showing where the nine planets or grahas can be found in our brain. He is saying that there is a physical manifestation of the impulses of intelligence that are present in the human conciousness. IMO, any intelligent being anywhere in the universe would have to have an equivalent impulses of intelligence in its own physiology and consciousness in order to be called sentient. But one argue that even rocks here on earth have consciousness--albeit a very low one-- by its mere existence as a clump of matter in a form of the various elements and their resulting atomic structures. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, yes. The 12 houses and the zodiac would apply on any of those distant worlds. Their solar system may or may not have the same nine planets that we're using here on Earth. But the same impulses of intelligence would have to be calculated in its own solar system. I believe this is the reason why Patanjali wrote in his yoga sutras that samyama on the sun brings forth knowledge of the world. IOW, life on these earthlike exoplanets can be described by the same zodiac signs that are pertinent here on our earth. Doesn't that make sense? It depends on how astrology might work. Consciousness requires a sophisticated brain to operate, maybe they are affected by gravity which is the only known force to be infinite in extent, and therefore affects things at great distance unlike the other known forces which are locally contained like the ones that hold atoms apart. Trouble is, if gravity is the culprit then planets are out of the picture because they are too distant to affect us more than, say, a lorry going past on the road. And the extra distances put between us and them at various times in our orbit - that the ancients didn't know about - would affect any charts too much for them to be reliable, not that they are. So you can cross gravity off the list of influences, and any other field for the same reasons. John Hagelin claims there is a link between planets and parts of the brain forged by quantum superposition between atoms during the big bang. John Hagelin should be stripped of his PHD and publicly ridiculed for even daring to utter bullshit like this that he knows is complete bollocks. But he wants you to continue coughing up for yagyas and charts. Or maybe he's so dumb he believes it? Nah, it's all part of the con of using science ideas to justify their beliefs. If astrology is real - and there is absolutely no reason to suppose it is - I would avoid travelling to other planets. Just think what being on Mars would do to someone with Jupiter strong in their chart! You're about 100 million miles closer to it! And what affect will Earth have on us? Just think if there is some physical force connecting us to planets surely the one we stand on would swamp any effect from the others, or doesn't ours count? So your question makes sense if astrological affects are real, different worlds around different stars will have different types of influences according to however the types of planets and their distance from brains might affect their owners. It would have to be a universal effect. Trouble is, I think it's an ancient superstition that clings on into the modern world by virtue of it's malleable vagueness. I don't think it's a very good explanation for anything at all, especially destiny and personality. Probably why NASA left it out of the equation when they planned the trip to the moon. Fun concept to ponder though...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?
I think Barry would be the first to tell you that ancient texts are basically, a bunch of rubbish, with little or no value. quite a shame I'd say. I find them fascinating, and have helped me immensely, in what I'd call my spiritual journey. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Barry, Astrology is an ancient science. But, with the present understanding that consciousness is the basis of the universe, one can appreciate the significance of astrology in modern science. Astrology can be seen as an advanced version of a sophisticated hologram based on human intelligence. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com If astrology is real - and there is absolutely no reason to suppose it is - I would avoid travelling to other planets. Just think what being on Mars would do to someone with Jupiter strong in their chart! You're about 100 million miles closer to it! And what affect will Earth have on us? Just think if there is some physical force connecting us to planets surely the one we stand on would swamp any effect from the others, or doesn't ours count? One Martian colonist to another: I have Earth in the first house. What does that make me? Earth doesn't do diddley-squat to you, no matter where it appears in your 'chart', but a belief in astrology by definition makes you a gullible idiot. I thought that the psychological tests for astronauts were supposed to screen out people like you.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?
son, throw in a bit of a more direct TM angle, and you will find the time. you'll likely drop whatever you are doing for a good two or three post run. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Oh God, I just don't have the time today to properly address this statement - hopefully Sal does and I know he'll do a better job than I anyhow. From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets? MJ, The pertinent sutra that Patanjali stated is scientific. The sun in our solar system, and any solar system in the universe, will affect life here on earth and in any exoplanets in predictable patterns. For example, spring starts the life cycle or growth here on earth; autumn starts the fall of the sun's power as can be seen in the turning of the leaves, and winter signifies the death of the sun, which brings the cold and snow on the earth's northern hemisphere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : this is superstitious hubris beyond superstitious hubris to think a made up lets make ourselves feel better about the big ol' bad world we live in mythology would effect the entire universe!!! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 2:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, yes. The 12 houses and the zodiac would apply on any of those distant worlds. Their solar system may or may not have the same nine planets that we're using here on Earth. But the same impulses of intelligence would have to be calculated in its own solar system. I believe this is the reason why Patanjali wrote in his yoga sutras that samyama on the sun brings forth knowledge of the world. IOW, life on these earthlike exoplanets can be described by the same zodiac signs that are pertinent here on our earth. Doesn't that make sense? It depends on how astrology might work. Consciousness requires a sophisticated brain to operate, maybe they are affected by gravity which is the only known force to be infinite in extent, and therefore affects things at great distance unlike the other known forces which are locally contained like the ones that hold atoms apart. Trouble is, if gravity is the culprit then planets are out of the picture because they are too distant to affect us more than, say, a lorry going past on the road. And the extra distances put between us and them at various times in our orbit - that the ancients didn't know about - would affect any charts too much for them to be reliable, not that they are. So you can cross gravity off the list of influences, and any other field for the same reasons. John Hagelin claims there is a link between planets and parts of the brain forged by quantum superposition between atoms during the big bang. John Hagelin should be stripped of his PHD and publicly ridiculed for even daring to utter bullshit like this that he knows is complete bollocks. But he wants you to continue coughing up for yagyas and charts. Or maybe he's so dumb he believes it? Nah, it's all part of the con of using science ideas to justify their beliefs. If astrology is real - and there is absolutely no reason to suppose it is - I would avoid travelling to other planets. Just think what being on Mars would do to someone with Jupiter strong in their chart! You're about 100 million miles closer to it! And what affect will Earth have on us? Just think if there is some physical force connecting us to planets surely the one we stand on would swamp any effect from the others, or doesn't ours count? So your question makes sense if astrological affects are real, different worlds around different stars will have different types of influences according to however the types of planets and their distance from brains might affect their owners. It would have to be a universal effect. Trouble is, I think it's an ancient superstition that clings on into the modern world by virtue of it's malleable vagueness. I don't think it's a very good explanation for anything at all, especially destiny and personality. Probably why NASA left it out of the equation when they planned the trip to the moon. Fun concept to ponder though...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
I have had some remarkable experiences meditating in a large group in the dome, and then practicing yogic flying. Ok, to be really truthful, they were not as nice as the experiences MJ shared a few months ago, but they were pretty good, nonetheless. (-: I think all of us would like to see some nice solid of the ME, but absent that, I'm not going to throw the whole theory out the window. I have my own validating experiences, which really, I would not be inclined to share, and further, count me as one who believes, that even one person touching that transcendent field of life has an effect on his immediate and distant environment. And count me also, as one who believes in the state of enlightenment, and that those who have achieved it, produce a positive influence of that same immediate and distant environment. If you don't believe me, well, you don't believe me. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Ann, The Maharishi Effect, is not about belief. It is about a shift in identity, from me, to us. Not in some phony way, but an actual shift, in empathy, compassion, and even beyond that, sensing oneself, that 'finest feeling level, we are all familiar with, strengthening that, not just for me, but for everyone, everything, becoming a source of life giving and supporting energy, globally. That can never be accomplished within the obvious boundaries, of our individual minds and bodies . But, if we break down some of these self-imposed boundaries, of ourselves, again, not through belief, but through integrating experience, Being, then, this effect, of thousands of fliers (that being the sutra of greatest integration of Being), is truly one that unites us, as a global people, and begins to calm a rapidly changing world, in the direction of peace, and a better world. Not through belief, but by reaching a profound, and sustainable, Being. Maharishi always operated like that, from the intro lecture, on - peace begins at home, and once that is established, go for the world. It is a very exciting time, with every possible institution, system, leader, and big idea, under the microscope of ubiquitous communication, encyclopedias in a thumbprint, and everyone on the Internet. All it takes is the right momentum, at the right time, encouragement of the other side of life, away from violence, and exploitation. The genius of the Maharishi Effect, just as Maharishi accomplished with the TM technique, is to find the combination most efficient, in terms of the program for each individual, and their congregation, to effect world peace, in a mechanical way. There is no need for belief, or hope - As the Nike ad says, Just Do It, and the rest follows. I promise. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being too kind - Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic! I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars. Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold. Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic. I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt. I can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care! Here is the thing, why isn't a meditation technique good enough to hang your hat on as a Movement? Why bother to start claiming all sorts of Maharishi Effects when all anyone really needs is a sound meditation technique? I don't know if TM is the greatest or bestest out there because I don't like sitting during my waking hours with my eyes closed when there is so much else to do and see so I simply don't scope out other techniques to compare. But the ME? I don't believe any of it for a minute. But why is the ME even necessary to put out there? If human beings are benefiting personally from a technique then the whole world should benefit due to the individuals becoming happier, calmer, more grounded.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
nice solid research meant to say ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I have had some remarkable experiences meditating in a large group in the dome, and then practicing yogic flying. Ok, to be really truthful, they were not as nice as the experiences MJ shared a few months ago, but they were pretty good, nonetheless. (-: I think all of us would like to see some nice solid of the ME, but absent that, I'm not going to throw the whole theory out the window. I have my own validating experiences, which really, I would not be inclined to share, and further, count me as one who believes, that even one person touching that transcendent field of life has an effect on his immediate and distant environment. And count me also, as one who believes in the state of enlightenment, and that those who have achieved it, produce a positive influence of that same immediate and distant environment. If you don't believe me, well, you don't believe me. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Ann, The Maharishi Effect, is not about belief. It is about a shift in identity, from me, to us. Not in some phony way, but an actual shift, in empathy, compassion, and even beyond that, sensing oneself, that 'finest feeling level, we are all familiar with, strengthening that, not just for me, but for everyone, everything, becoming a source of life giving and supporting energy, globally. That can never be accomplished within the obvious boundaries, of our individual minds and bodies . But, if we break down some of these self-imposed boundaries, of ourselves, again, not through belief, but through integrating experience, Being, then, this effect, of thousands of fliers (that being the sutra of greatest integration of Being), is truly one that unites us, as a global people, and begins to calm a rapidly changing world, in the direction of peace, and a better world. Not through belief, but by reaching a profound, and sustainable, Being. Maharishi always operated like that, from the intro lecture, on - peace begins at home, and once that is established, go for the world. It is a very exciting time, with every possible institution, system, leader, and big idea, under the microscope of ubiquitous communication, encyclopedias in a thumbprint, and everyone on the Internet. All it takes is the right momentum, at the right time, encouragement of the other side of life, away from violence, and exploitation. The genius of the Maharishi Effect, just as Maharishi accomplished with the TM technique, is to find the combination most efficient, in terms of the program for each individual, and their congregation, to effect world peace, in a mechanical way. There is no need for belief, or hope - As the Nike ad says, Just Do It, and the rest follows. I promise. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are being too kind - Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic! I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars. Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold. Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic. I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt. I can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say what about Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care! Here is the thing, why isn't a meditation technique good enough to hang your hat on as a Movement? Why bother to start claiming all sorts of Maharishi Effects when all anyone really needs is a sound meditation technique? I don't know if TM is the greatest or bestest out there because I don't like sitting during my waking hours with my eyes closed when there is so much else to do and see so I simply don't scope out other techniques to compare. But the ME? I don't believe any of it for a minute. But why is the ME even necessary to put out there? If human beings are benefiting personally from a technique then the whole world should benefit due to the individuals becoming happier, calmer, more grounded.
