[Felvtalk] Update re: New Kitten, New Worries
Good news! Our newest kitten, arescue who only has about 20% sight, is FeLV NEGATIVE! We dearly love our two positive kitties but are so glad Charcoal doesn't have that to deal with in addition to blindness. Thanks to all for the kind words! Jody and Coal Help blind cats see a future! www.blindcatrescue.com On Aug 3, 2009, at 1:00 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Have I done enough to open the room where ourbeautiful little FELV+ kitty died? (catatonya) 2. Re: Have I done enough to open the room whereourbeautiful little FELV+ kitty died? (gary) 3. New Kitten, New Worries (Jody Butler) 4. Re: New Kitten, New Worries (Gloria B. Lane) 5. Re: New Kitten, New Worries (Sharyl) 6. Introduction - Rebecca (Iva Lark Emily Seaberg) 7. Re: Introduction - Rebecca (gary) 8. Re: Introduction - Rebecca (Chris) 9. Re: for Kelley OT (Kelley Saveika) 10. Re: Introduction - Rebecca (Sharyl) 11. Re: Introduction - Rebecca (Diane Rosenfeldt) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 10:55:07 -0700 (PDT) From: catatonya catato...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Have I done enough to open the room where our beautiful little FELV+ kitty died? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: 877117.77528...@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 are your other cats vaccinated? if so I would go ahead. --- On Tue, 7/21/09, margaret-sou...@comcast.net margaret-sou...@comcast.net wrote: From: margaret-sou...@comcast.net margaret-sou...@comcast.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Have I done enough to open the room where our beautiful little FELV+ kitty died? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 12:12 AM I hope we can get some advice. Last Monday we had to have our beautiful little foster kitty euthanized.? We belong to a rescue group that pulls and fosters cats at the local county shelter who are in danger of being put down.? We found out about a week after pulling little Maybelline that she was FELV+.? Our vet did complete blood work on her.? Her pvc was only 20 (normal being 30-45), but she was eating and loved attention.? We were so hopeful and of course adopted her immediately.? Within ten days or so Maybelline became listless and wouldn't eat.? Our vet rushed over.??Total count?was down to 8% and immediately we rushed Maybelline to the local vet hospital for a blood transfusion.? She did really well; predisone was also described.? Again we were hopeful.? Our vet planned to check her count every week. At week one it was 15%, not great, but if she could maintain it and EAT, she could continue on.? In only 5 days we noticed same ominous symptoms again.? Vet rechecked Maybelline's blood.? Count was down to 10% and her gums were terribly pale.? In good conscience our vet said we simply couldn't transfuse every two weeks, it just wasn't fair to our little girl.? I heard this news when in Boston visitng my aging (95.5 yrs) mother.? My husband had been prepared that Maybelline might die over the weekend before I returned.? My husband tried everything he knew to get her to eat, but nothing really worked.? She was just too weak. Thankfully, little Maybelline lasted through the weekend.? Sunday we tried to spend as much time as possible with her.? Monday our vet euthanized her.? Both of us were crying.? I'm still having bad spells as it just seemed so preventable and unnecessary if only Maybelline's first owners had vaccinated her! Anyhow, we kept her completely separate from our other five kitties.? We've cleaned the room thoroughly (soap and water on floors and walls she might have touched) and removed her litter box.? I always kept her food dishes separate.? The perch cover and blankets and sheets she touched or slept on have been washed with bleach.? Only a few furniture surfaces like the legs on the bed or desk haven't been washed.? Should they be?? While we would take another FELV+ kitty in a heartbeat (just hope we'd have them a little longer!), we definitely don't want to jeopardize our other little ones who are 100% healthy and have had vaccinations against FELV. Can we open the room at this point?? Our other five kitties used to?play in?it, but we heard no complaints when Maybelline occupied it! We'd appreciate any advice anyone can give on this topic.? I'm
Re: New server?
And me blockquote dir=ltr style=MARGIN-RIGHT:0px; img src=http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/04.gif;font face=Comic Sans MSPaula Howell/font/blockquote - Original Message From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 4, 2008 4:26:27 PM Subject: Re: New server? me Sky Danncer (Davy S) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many of us are there to divide the cost? Davy - Original Message - From: Sue Koren To: FeLV Talk Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:19 AM Subject: New server? Hello everyone - I went to the archives today and found that I am only getting about half of the messages. Earlier this month it was suggested that we all chip in if a new server is needed. The support of this group has meant a great deal to me and I would be very happy to help in some way. Is it feasible to make this new server idea happen? Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Sue, How are you getting into the archives? It's asking me for a password, and I have no idea what that is. I've been a member for a few years now. Thanks, Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 9:19:19 AM Subject: New server? Hello everyone - I went to the archives today and found that I am only getting about half of the messages. Earlier this month it was suggested that we all chip in if a new server is needed. The support of this group has meant a great deal to me and I would be very happy to help in some way. Is it feasible to make this new server idea happen? Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I'd be glad to help, too - if that's what needed. Pat - Original Message - From: Sharyl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 5:30 PM Subject: Re: New server? I'd be willing too. Another idea might be to move the talk portion of the site to Yahoo Groups. Don't know how that would impact the archives. And Yahoo groups occasionally has problems as well. Sharyl --- On Fri, 7/4/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New server? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 4:26 PM me Sky Danncer (Davy S) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many of us are there to divide the cost? Davy - Original Message - From: Sue Koren To: FeLV Talk Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:19 AM Subject: New server? Hello everyone - I went to the archives today and found that I am only getting about half of the messages. Earlier this month it was suggested that we all chip in if a new server is needed. The support of this group has meant a great deal to me and I would be very happy to help in some way. Is it feasible to make this new server idea happen? Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I'd be willing too. Another idea might be to move the talk portion of the site to Yahoo Groups. Don't know how that would impact the archives. And Yahoo groups occasionally has problems as well. Sharyl --- On Fri, 7/4/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New server? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 4:26 PM me Sky Danncer (Davy S) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many of us are there to divide the cost? Davy - Original Message - From: Sue Koren To: FeLV Talk Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:19 AM Subject: New server? Hello everyone - I went to the archives today and found that I am only getting about half of the messages. Earlier this month it was suggested that we all chip in if a new server is needed. The support of this group has meant a great deal to me and I would be very happy to help in some way. Is it feasible to make this new server idea happen? Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I would help if I canDebbie (COL)You gotta bloom where you're planted! Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 13:26:27 -0700From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: New server?To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sky Danncer (Davy S) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many of us are there to divide the cost?Davy- Original Message - From: Sue Koren To: FeLV Talk Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:19 AMSubject: New server? Hello everyone - I went to the archives today and found that I am only getting about half of the messages. Earlier this month it was suggested that we all chip in if a new server is needed. The support of this group has meant a great deal to me and I would be very happy to help in some way. Is it feasible to make this new server idea happen? Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___Felvtalk mailing [EMAIL PROTECTED]://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+worldmkt=en-USform=QBRE___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Boardhost hosts message boards.. from the couple I've seen they seem reliable.. You can get a free site (with ads and 1,000 message limit) or a paid site ($4.99 a month with no ads and a couple extra bells and whistles) http://www.boardhost.com/ davy - Original Message - From: Sharyl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 5:30 PM Subject: Re: New server? I'd be willing too. Another idea might be to move the talk portion of the site to Yahoo Groups. Don't know how that would impact the archives. And Yahoo groups occasionally has problems as well. Sharyl --- On Fri, 7/4/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New server? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 4:26 PM me Sky Danncer (Davy S) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many of us are there to divide the cost? Davy - Original Message - From: Sue Koren To: FeLV Talk Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:19 AM Subject: New server? Hello everyone - I went to the archives today and found that I am only getting about half of the messages. Earlier this month it was suggested that we all chip in if a new server is needed. The support of this group has meant a great deal to me and I would be very happy to help in some way. Is it feasible to make this new server idea happen? Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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me Sky Danncer (Davy S) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many of us are there to divide the cost? Davy - Original Message - From: Sue Koren To: FeLV Talk Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:19 AM Subject: New server? Hello everyone - I went to the archives today and found that I am only getting about half of the messages. Earlier this month it was suggested that we all chip in if a new server is needed. The support of this group has meant a great deal to me and I would be very happy to help in some way. Is it feasible to make this new server idea happen? Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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How many of us are there to divide the cost? Davy - Original Message - From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:19 AM Subject: New server? Hello everyone - I went to the archives today and found that I am only getting about half of the messages. Earlier this month it was suggested that we all chip in if a new server is needed. The support of this group has meant a great deal to me and I would be very happy to help in some way. Is it feasible to make this new server idea happen? Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
RE: new vaccine for feleuk prevention
Maybe this has been discussed here...I saw vet this AM and he uses a new vaccine for feline leukemia (prevention). It puffs under the skin, using a needle the size of a hair. I think he said he uses it every year on cats that go outside and those that fight. He uses 3 years on high risk cats (presumably those that go outside but don't fight). I want to say he called it Orafax or Oravaxanyway, this was news to me and good news! Laurie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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does anybody know if there is a rescue that takes in leukemia cats here colorado? Trying to save some cats. Theresa Hearn Maybe this has been discussed here...I saw vet this AM and he uses a new vaccine for feline leukemia (prevention). It puffs under the skin, using a needle the size of a hair. I think he said he uses it every year on cats that go outside and those that fight. He uses 3 years on high risk cats (presumably those that go outside but don't fight). I want to say he called it Orafax or Oravaxanyway, this was news to me and good news! Laurie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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It's a joy to read about Snowy's turnaround. What a lucky little soul she is to have found you Lynne! But the vet ..he should remember that the little furball on his exam table is his CLIENT. Bad is not a word that should come into his head never mind come out of his mouth. She was obviously terrified of him and his set-up. G. hugs, Kerry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 9:03 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: New Member Laurie, I totally agree with you about herpes and stress level. I told you folks about the rescued Persian, Snowy, I adopted. She was a very sick girl for 2 months and the foster mom got her healthy. Her eyes were swollen shut and she also had a URI. Since we've had her we have done everything humanly possible to make her life happy and stress free and she is absolutely thriving. Her one eye apparently has a bit of scarring but you would never know this poor little thing ever had a problem. We have had to delay her spaying because we discovered she had a toenail that had grown into her pad and needed surgery. She was so hysterical at the vets that she needed to be sedated. There was fear of her losing her one pad but she's recovered beautifully and on her return visit to the vet he was amazed that new skin was growing and after two weeks now there is a very small black scab left. She also was a perfect little lady at the return visit unlike the first time when the vet referred to her as a very bad kitty. Good diet and a stress free life are so important to these cats. She is now on L-lysine as a supplement as you suggested. I don't know if she really needs it but it certainly doesn't hurt. I so hope things continue to go as well as they have for her. She seems to be the happiest, most playful cat we've ever had. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 9:44 PM Subject: Re: New Member Welcome Laura and Laura! L- lysine is great for herpes. You might want to join the feline herpes group, too. Those kitties can have eye and mouth problems. Winston (probable herpes) also has unexplained high fevers and anorexia on rare occasions - it is touch and go at those time. For herpes, the main thing to to keep their stress level low (for FeLV, too). The feline acne group has lots of info on allergies (the fur loss could be allergies or stress grooming). Check out www.catinfo.org for food info. This site belongs to a veterinarian who also does rescue. She likes Wellness and suggests the grain free diets. The best food I have found for mine is Petguard turkey and barley lite. All five like it and all seem to be thriving on it. Of course, it does have grains. I feed it because Frankie had panreatitis and needed a low fat food. Good luck and I hope others may have more insight into your combination of issues (ps my Frankie is blind) Laurie - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:30 PM Subject: New Member I'm posting for Laura because she can't subscribe, list problems, Jim is working on them. You can post on the list to answer she is going to read the archives for answers! Her message is below: -- Hi All, I've tried subscribing to this list but for some reason the form won't go through. I've sent an e-mail to the list holder. I figured for now, I'll just read from the archives but would like to introduce myself to you all :) My name is Laura, I live in Jersey and currently have 7 wonderful kitties. My newest family member is FeLV+, 2 years old, and also named Laura, (I'll fill you in on that in a bit) she is blind (very bad herpes infection as a kitten) has one bad eye and the other was removed last year. Her background: About 2 years ago my neighbor and I had to clean up a colony down the street from us of about 50 cats and kittens, we had them all fixed, some were TNR'd and the adoptables were given to a local rescue to find homes. I fostered all the kittens except 2 which who went straight to my vets office since they had eye issues, and I knew the rescue I deal with would not take them and try to place them. The kittens were named Laura and Dave, and tested Neg for FeLV. About a 3rd of this colony tested Pos, so we knew it was in the colony...but all the kittens were
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Welcome Laura and Laura! L- lysine is great for herpes. You might want to join the feline herpes group, too. Those kitties can have eye and mouth problems. Winston (probable herpes) also has unexplained high fevers and anorexia on rare occasions - it is touch and go at those time. For herpes, the main thing to to keep their stress level low (for FeLV, too). The feline acne group has lots of info on allergies (the fur loss could be allergies or stress grooming). Check out www.catinfo.org for food info. This site belongs to a veterinarian who also does rescue. She likes Wellness and suggests the grain free diets. The best food I have found for mine is Petguard turkey and barley lite. All five like it and all seem to be thriving on it. Of course, it does have grains. I feed it because Frankie had panreatitis and needed a low fat food. Good luck and I hope others may have more insight into your combination of issues (ps my Frankie is blind) Laurie - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:30 PM Subject: New Member I'm posting for Laura because she can't subscribe, list problems, Jim is working on them. You can post on the list to answer she is going to read the archives for answers! Her message is below: -- Hi All, I've tried subscribing to this list but for some reason the form won't go through. I've sent an e-mail to the list holder. I figured for now, I'll just read from the archives but would like to introduce myself to you all :) My name is Laura, I live in Jersey and currently have 7 wonderful kitties. My newest family member is FeLV+, 2 years old, and also named Laura, (I'll fill you in on that in a bit) she is blind (very bad herpes infection as a kitten) has one bad eye and the other was removed last year. Her background: About 2 years ago my neighbor and I had to clean up a colony down the street from us of about 50 cats and kittens, we had them all fixed, some were TNR'd and the adoptables were given to a local rescue to find homes. I fostered all the kittens except 2 which who went straight to my vets office since they had eye issues, and I knew the rescue I deal with would not take them and try to place them. The kittens were named Laura and Dave, and tested Neg for FeLV. About a 3rd of this colony tested Pos, so we knew it was in the colony...but all the kittens were testing Neg. I ended up keeping one of the kittens (Rusty) and had him tested 3 times, because one of the kittens we adopted out later tested positive when the family vet tested her.Anyway, Laura and Dave lived at my vets for the past 2 years with several other cats. My vet took Dave home several months ago and Laura started having problems with a new cat that was bullying her. I found out about it and offered to take Laura, since I already have a blind cat and have no problem with it. I brought her home and put her in a room with a screen door, so she could smell my other cats and get to know them without any issues, plus I work long hours and didn't want her wandering around my house unsupervised yet. My vet had sent out an IFA test for Laura just to be sure she was Neg, at my request. Well, it came back positive. She then did snap tests on cats that were living with Laura and 2 were also positive (ironically the bully is pos too). She also tested Dave who is living with her and he was pos. So, for now I'm keeping Laura in her own room with the screen door, I also put up a baby gate so that she can't dart out when I go in and out of the room, that would be disastrous when I'm leaving for work at 5:30 amI just don't have time. Aside from the FeLV, Laura also has herpes, and has lots of bald patches which my vet thinks is from the stress of living with the bully. I'm not so sure, so I put her on Wellness instead of the crappy fancy feast she was eating to see if it might be food related? I don't know, I'm hoping in time, she'll settle in and her fur will grow back, she is a beautiful tortie. That's our story, sorry so long! I just wanted to say hello and ask if you all had any advice, especially when it comes to food for these kittiesSince I have Laura confined, I can feed her anything. I'm going to start putting L-lysine in her food for the herpes but is there anything else I should be giving her? I don't want to throw too much at her at once, her stools are lovely and I don't want to mess that up, and also want to see how her coat reacts to these small changes. Thanks in advance~! Laura -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
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Laurie, I totally agree with you about herpes and stress level. I told you folks about the rescued Persian, Snowy, I adopted. She was a very sick girl for 2 months and the foster mom got her healthy. Her eyes were swollen shut and she also had a URI. Since we've had her we have done everything humanly possible to make her life happy and stress free and she is absolutely thriving. Her one eye apparently has a bit of scarring but you would never know this poor little thing ever had a problem. We have had to delay her spaying because we discovered she had a toenail that had grown into her pad and needed surgery. She was so hysterical at the vets that she needed to be sedated. There was fear of her losing her one pad but she's recovered beautifully and on her return visit to the vet he was amazed that new skin was growing and after two weeks now there is a very small black scab left. She also was a perfect little lady at the return visit unlike the first time when the vet referred to her as a very bad kitty. Good diet and a stress free life are so important to these cats. She is now on L-lysine as a supplement as you suggested. I don't know if she really needs it but it certainly doesn't hurt. I so hope things continue to go as well as they have for her. She seems to be the happiest, most playful cat we've ever had. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 9:44 PM Subject: Re: New Member Welcome Laura and Laura! L- lysine is great for herpes. You might want to join the feline herpes group, too. Those kitties can have eye and mouth problems. Winston (probable herpes) also has unexplained high fevers and anorexia on rare occasions - it is touch and go at those time. For herpes, the main thing to to keep their stress level low (for FeLV, too). The feline acne group has lots of info on allergies (the fur loss could be allergies or stress grooming). Check out www.catinfo.org for food info. This site belongs to a veterinarian who also does rescue. She likes Wellness and suggests the grain free diets. The best food I have found for mine is Petguard turkey and barley lite. All five like it and all seem to be thriving on it. Of course, it does have grains. I feed it because Frankie had panreatitis and needed a low fat food. Good luck and I hope others may have more insight into your combination of issues (ps my Frankie is blind) Laurie - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:30 PM Subject: New Member I'm posting for Laura because she can't subscribe, list problems, Jim is working on them. You can post on the list to answer she is going to read the archives for answers! Her message is below: -- Hi All, I've tried subscribing to this list but for some reason the form won't go through. I've sent an e-mail to the list holder. I figured for now, I'll just read from the archives but would like to introduce myself to you all :) My name is Laura, I live in Jersey and currently have 7 wonderful kitties. My newest family member is FeLV+, 2 years old, and also named Laura, (I'll fill you in on that in a bit) she is blind (very bad herpes infection as a kitten) has one bad eye and the other was removed last year. Her background: About 2 years ago my neighbor and I had to clean up a colony down the street from us of about 50 cats and kittens, we had them all fixed, some were TNR'd and the adoptables were given to a local rescue to find homes. I fostered all the kittens except 2 which who went straight to my vets office since they had eye issues, and I knew the rescue I deal with would not take them and try to place them. The kittens were named Laura and Dave, and tested Neg for FeLV. About a 3rd of this colony tested Pos, so we knew it was in the colony...but all the kittens were testing Neg. I ended up keeping one of the kittens (Rusty) and had him tested 3 times, because one of the kittens we adopted out later tested positive when the family vet tested her.Anyway, Laura and Dave lived at my vets for the past 2 years with several other cats. My vet took Dave home several months ago and Laura started having problems with a new cat that was bullying her. I found out about it and offered to take Laura, since I already have a blind cat and have no problem with it. I brought her home and put her in a room with a screen door, so she could smell my other cats and get to know them without any issues, plus I work long hours and didn't want her wandering around my house unsupervised yet. My vet had sent out an IFA test for Laura just to be sure she was Neg, at my request. Well, it came back positive. She then did snap tests on cats
Re: New FELV Positive- questions
I know it's not scientifically proven, but I believe light positive means recent exposure. Hopefully the cat will fight the virus and turn up negative within a couple of months. t Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, she's a light positive. I don't know how old she is, but I have no doubt what I would do. I'd leave the kit with her mom and bubba, and retest at some point. She's already with them, so they're already exposed. Moving is stressful. Light Positive can mean that the test results aren't correct and it needs to be redone; or that she's been exposed to the virus and is mounting a defense against it, or whatever.If she was an adult I'd start interferon, but probably not as a kitten. I'm sure you'll get some other ideas too! I really do not like the whole light positive thing. It is confusing and difficult to understand - I still don't understand it and one of my foster kittens tested light pos a couple of years ago. She turned out to be negative, though, so in that case we believe it was a bad test. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart http://www.change.org/rescuties
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I have to agree with Gloria. Keep the cats separated and don't move anyone until you have had some more time to retest. Hopefully your negatives will all end up negative. tonya Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, she's a light positive. I don't know how old she is, but I have no doubt what I would do. I'd leave the kit with her mom and bubba, and retest at some point. She's already with them, so they're already exposed. Moving is stressful. Light Positive can mean that the test results aren't correct and it needs to be redone; or that she's been exposed to the virus and is mounting a defense against it, or whatever. If she was an adult I'd start interferon, but probably not as a kitten. I'm sure you'll get some other ideas too! Best wishes, and thanks for rescuing the FELV positives... Gloria At 11:27 AM 3/28/2008, you wrote: OK- I volunteer for a rescue and care for cats in my home. I already have my own two girls who live in the main home that our FELV positive. I have been taking care of a mom and 2 kittens and then one other cat. They live in a spare room I have converted into a cat room full of toys, a cat tree, and everything they could need. Yesterday, mom and kits had their big day at the vet. Here's the dilemma. Jill, one of the kits, tested a light positive for FELV. Her brother and mother didn't. The other cat was previously tested. Mom and brother have been vaccinated and the other cat is being vaccinated today. The kits are about 12 weeks old now- this is estimated because they were dumped in the country. What do I do w/ everyone? Do I keep people separate or since they are vaccinated they are okay? I don't have immediate homes for anyone right now so I am it. Do I let Jill down w/ my girls or what if she's negative---I haven't had my girls retested...what if they are negative? Any advice would be great! Thanks everyone! [] Kenzie Kanne ARC Volunteer (712)830-9518 www.myspace.com/animalrescueofcarroll animalrescueofcarroll.org -- How well do you know your celebrity gossip? Talk celebrity smackdowns here.
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Hi Tonya, I don't think this is always the case, I had Bailey tested several times in his 11 years of life, at least 4 times and the tests were given years apart and he always tested a light positive. I know it's not scientifically proven, but I believe light positive means recent exposure. Hopefully the cat will fight the virus and turn up negative within a couple of months. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
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any color at all that appears in the little circle during the appropriate time (10 minutes in most cases) means positive. depth of color has nothing to do with amount or strength of infection. positive is positive, pregnant is pregnant. On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tonya, I don't think this is always the case, I had Bailey tested several times in his 11 years of life, at least 4 times and the tests were given years apart and he always tested a light positive. I know it's not scientifically proven, but I believe light positive means recent exposure. Hopefully the cat will fight the virus and turn up negative within a couple of months. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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Cool, Terrie - very interesting! Gloria On Mar 29, 2008, at 11:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.imulan.com/ Anyone familiar or know about this? TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Terrie Mohr-Forker http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS https://www.paypal.com/ Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home.
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i was specifically looking at the fact that this was ONE kitten of two, where the mom and the other kitten were negative--while we don't know about the other cat, we have a pretty good idea how long mom and kids have been together remember that it requires a first shot, then a booster two to three weeks later (depending on the vaccine) for full immunity to take effect; so while mom and sibkit and companion kitty have been vaccinated once, they haven't had the full therapeutic dosage yet. as for the other adult cat: if she's just recently come into contact with this family, the chances that the exposure amounts to, prolonged, persistent contact is slim; if she's healthy, her chances of maintaining a viremic status despite exposure are low; and without a second test on the kitten, who knows if there's any danger at all. we don't know that anyone has been exposed to anything at this point. MC On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 9:39 AM, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes but the non-related cat was NOT vaccinated before exposure. It's one thing if everyone was already vaccinated AND the person is going to keep all of them but another if she is planning to adopt out the negatives. I would not want to adopt a cat who'd I knew had been exposed. I think it's different if they are all your own, the negatives have been vaccinated before exposure, the cats have lived together a long time already (not just days or weeks) and you are keeping them all. Laurie - Original Message - *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Friday, March 28, 2008 10:17 PM *Subject:* Re: New FELV Positive- questions *I totally agree with Gloria.* *Everyone has been exposed too late on separating them.* *There is no such thing as a light positive.* *It is either positive or negative.* *I can honestly say that I had positives and negatives live together for years.* *I vaccinated the negatives every year.* *Not one of the negatives died from FELV they died of other Feline illnesses.* In a message dated 3/28/2008 9:08:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but tho i didn't specifically answer this before, i of course agree with gloria and everyone: by now, everyone's been exposed and separating them is pointless MC *TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Terrie Mohr-Forker *http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/* * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue* * http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html* * http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html* * http://www.felineleukemia.org/* * http://www.petloss.com/*** TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS *https://www.paypal.com/ -- Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Homehttp://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15ncid=aolhom000301 . -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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no; will look later but from the url, seems to be an announcement from the company involved, which always make me question. darn, i am SO jaded. MC On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 1:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.imulan.com/ *Anyone familiar or know about this?* *TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Terrie Mohr-Forker *http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/* * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue* * http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html* * http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html* * http://www.felineleukemia.org/* * http://www.petloss.com/*** TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS *https://www.paypal.com/ -- Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Homehttp://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15ncid=aolhom000301 . -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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Bailey was a light positive all his life, he was tested 4 different times throughout his life, the test always barely turned blue. Positive is positive from what I understand. I really do not like the whole light positive thing. It is confusing and difficult to understand - I still don't understand it and one of my foster kittens tested light pos a couple of years ago. She turned out to be negative, though, so in that case we believe it was a bad test. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
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My concern is for the unrelated cat who only just had her first (of the 2 feleuk vaccinations) after the kitten tested positive. We don't know how long they have been in the same room. Maybe only days. That's why I would separate the unrelated cat, even if only until the kitten is retested and tests negative ~ because the unrelated cat isn't fully vaccinated and because of the possibility of limited prior exposure (if this is the case) reducing her chances of infection. - Original Message - From: MaryChristine To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 1:05 PM Subject: Re: New FELV Positive- questions i was specifically looking at the fact that this was ONE kitten of two, where the mom and the other kitten were negative--while we don't know about the other cat, we have a pretty good idea how long mom and kids have been together remember that it requires a first shot, then a booster two to three weeks later (depending on the vaccine) for full immunity to take effect; so while mom and sibkit and companion kitty have been vaccinated once, they haven't had the full therapeutic dosage yet. as for the other adult cat: if she's just recently come into contact with this family, the chances that the exposure amounts to, prolonged, persistent contact is slim; if she's healthy, her chances of maintaining a viremic status despite exposure are low; and without a second test on the kitten, who knows if there's any danger at all. we don't know that anyone has been exposed to anything at this point. MC On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 9:39 AM, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes but the non-related cat was NOT vaccinated before exposure. It's one thing if everyone was already vaccinated AND the person is going to keep all of them but another if she is planning to adopt out the negatives. I would not want to adopt a cat who'd I knew had been exposed. I think it's different if they are all your own, the negatives have been vaccinated before exposure, the cats have lived together a long time already (not just days or weeks) and you are keeping them all. Laurie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:17 PM Subject: Re: New FELV Positive- questions I totally agree with Gloria. Everyone has been exposed too late on separating them. There is no such thing as a light positive. It is either positive or negative. I can honestly say that I had positives and negatives live together for years. I vaccinated the negatives every year. Not one of the negatives died from FELV they died of other Feline illnesses. In a message dated 3/28/2008 9:08:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but tho i didn't specifically answer this before, i of course agree with gloria and everyone: by now, everyone's been exposed and separating them is pointless MC TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Terrie Mohr-Forker http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS https://www.paypal.com/ -- Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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From what I understand, the virus in transmitted through body fluid contact... I might be wrong, but unless they are mutual grooming and sharing food/litter boxes isn't the chances of her being exposed to the virus more limited? I personally would isolate the unrelated cat until either she receives the rest of the booster and tests negative after 1-3months or (hopefully not) she tests positive from the exposure at which point there's not much that separating them will do except cause more anxiety, or after 8-12 weeks you re-test the kitten for a negative result. On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 4:39 PM, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My concern is for the *unrelated *cat who only just had her first (of the 2 feleuk vaccinations) *after* the kitten tested positive. We don't know how long they have been in the same room. Maybe only days. That's why I would separate the unrelated cat, even if only until the kitten is retested and tests negative ~ because the unrelated cat isn't fully vaccinated and because of the possibility of limited prior exposure (if this is the case) reducing her chances of infection. - Original Message - *From:* MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Saturday, March 29, 2008 1:05 PM *Subject:* Re: New FELV Positive- questions i was specifically looking at the fact that this was ONE kitten of two, where the mom and the other kitten were negative--while we don't know about the other cat, we have a pretty good idea how long mom and kids have been together remember that it requires a first shot, then a booster two to three weeks later (depending on the vaccine) for full immunity to take effect; so while mom and sibkit and companion kitty have been vaccinated once, they haven't had the full therapeutic dosage yet. as for the other adult cat: if she's just recently come into contact with this family, the chances that the exposure amounts to, prolonged, persistent contact is slim; if she's healthy, her chances of maintaining a viremic status despite exposure are low; and without a second test on the kitten, who knows if there's any danger at all. we don't know that anyone has been exposed to anything at this point. MC On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 9:39 AM, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes but the non-related cat was NOT vaccinated before exposure. It's one thing if everyone was already vaccinated AND the person is going to keep all of them but another if she is planning to adopt out the negatives. I would not want to adopt a cat who'd I knew had been exposed. I think it's different if they are all your own, the negatives have been vaccinated before exposure, the cats have lived together a long time already (not just days or weeks) and you are keeping them all. Laurie - Original Message - *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Friday, March 28, 2008 10:17 PM *Subject:* Re: New FELV Positive- questions *I totally agree with Gloria.* *Everyone has been exposed too late on separating them.* *There is no such thing as a light positive.* *It is either positive or negative.* *I can honestly say that I had positives and negatives live together for years.* *I vaccinated the negatives every year.* *Not one of the negatives died from FELV they died of other Feline illnesses.* In a message dated 3/28/2008 9:08:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but tho i didn't specifically answer this before, i of course agree with gloria and everyone: by now, everyone's been exposed and separating them is pointless MC *TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Terrie Mohr-Forker *http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/* * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue* * http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html* * http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html* * http://www.felineleukemia.org/* * http://www.petloss.com/*** TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS *https://www.paypal.com/ -- Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Homehttp://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15ncid=aolhom000301 . -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Beth Gouldin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 940.395.5393 God Bless!!!
Re: New FIV/FeLV Treatment
As I recall someone in this group or the FIV group was in a study using this drug called T Cyte at that time. This company bought them out and immediately the drug cost was prohibited to where the person was not able to continue or start use of it. I understand it holds promise and there are studies to support this. However a pretty broad claim being made by imulan. On the other hand if it helps and you can afford it then I say it's worth a try. Sally On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 1:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.imulan.com/ *Anyone familiar or know about this?* *TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Terrie Mohr-Forker *http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/* * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue* * http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html* * http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html* * http://www.felineleukemia.org/* * http://www.petloss.com/*** TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS *https://www.paypal.com/ -- Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Homehttp://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15ncid=aolhom000301 . -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
Re: New FELV Positive- questions
Wow, she's a light positive. I don't know how old she is, but I have no doubt what I would do. I'd leave the kit with her mom and bubba, and retest at some point. She's already with them, so they're already exposed. Moving is stressful. Light Positive can mean that the test results aren't correct and it needs to be redone; or that she's been exposed to the virus and is mounting a defense against it, or whatever.If she was an adult I'd start interferon, but probably not as a kitten. I'm sure you'll get some other ideas too! Best wishes, and thanks for rescuing the FELV positives... Gloria At 11:27 AM 3/28/2008, you wrote: OK- I volunteer for a rescue and care for cats in my home. I already have my own two girls who live in the main home that our FELV positive. I have been taking care of a mom and 2 kittens and then one other cat. They live in a spare room I have converted into a cat room full of toys, a cat tree, and everything they could need. Yesterday, mom and kits had their big day at the vet. Here's the dilemma. Jill, one of the kits, tested a light positive for FELV. Her brother and mother didn't. The other cat was previously tested. Mom and brother have been vaccinated and the other cat is being vaccinated today. The kits are about 12 weeks old now- this is estimated because they were dumped in the country. What do I do w/ everyone? Do I keep people separate or since they are vaccinated they are okay? I don't have immediate homes for anyone right now so I am it. Do I let Jill down w/ my girls or what if she's negative---I haven't had my girls retested...what if they are negative? Any advice would be great! Thanks everyone! http://www.myspace.com/animalrescueofcarroll [] http://www.myspace.com/animalrescueofcarrollKenzie Kanne http://www.myspace.com/animalrescueofcarrollARC Volunteer http://www.myspace.com/animalrescueofcarroll(712)830-9518 www.myspace.com/animalrescueofcarroll http://animalrescue-carroll.tripod.com/index.htmlanimalrescueofcarroll.org -- How well do you know your celebrity gossip? http://originals.msn.com/thebigdebate?ocid=T002MSN03N0707ATalk celebrity smackdowns here.
RE: New FELV Positive- questions
Question---if the mom tests negative, how would the kitten be positive? Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: New FELV Positive- questions Wow, she's a light positive. I don't know how old she is, but I have no doubt what I would do. I'd leave the kit with her mom and bubba, and retest at some point. She's already with them, so they're already exposed. Moving is stressful. Light Positive can mean that the test results aren't correct and it needs to be redone; or that she's been exposed to the virus and is mounting a defense against it, or whatever.If she was an adult I'd start interferon, but probably not as a kitten. I'm sure you'll get some other ideas too! Best wishes, and thanks for rescuing the FELV positives... Gloria At 11:27 AM 3/28/2008, you wrote: OK- I volunteer for a rescue and care for cats in my home. I already have my own two girls who live in the main home that our FELV positive. I have been taking care of a mom and 2 kittens and then one other cat. They live in a spare room I have converted into a cat room full of toys, a cat tree, and everything they could need. Yesterday, mom and kits had their big day at the vet. Here's the dilemma. Jill, one of the kits, tested a light positive for FELV. Her brother and mother didn't. The other cat was previously tested. Mom and brother have been vaccinated and the other cat is being vaccinated today. The kits are about 12 weeks old now- this is estimated because they were dumped in the country. What do I do w/ everyone? Do I keep people separate or since they are vaccinated they are okay? I don't have immediate homes for anyone right now so I am it. Do I let Jill down w/ my girls or what if she's negative---I haven't had my girls retested...what if they are negative? Any advice would be great! Thanks everyone! http://www.myspace.com/animalrescueofcarroll [] http://www.myspace.com/animalrescueofcarrollKenzie Kanne http://www.myspace.com/animalrescueofcarrollARC Volunteer http://www.myspace.com/animalrescueofcarroll(712)830-9518 www.myspace.com/animalrescueofcarroll http://animalrescue-carroll.tripod.com/index.htmlanimalrescueofcarroll.or g -- How well do you know your celebrity gossip? http://originals.msn.com/thebigdebate?ocid=T002MSN03N0707ATalk celebrity smackdowns here.
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On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, she's a light positive. I don't know how old she is, but I have no doubt what I would do. I'd leave the kit with her mom and bubba, and retest at some point. She's already with them, so they're already exposed. Moving is stressful. Light Positive can mean that the test results aren't correct and it needs to be redone; or that she's been exposed to the virus and is mounting a defense against it, or whatever.If she was an adult I'd start interferon, but probably not as a kitten. I'm sure you'll get some other ideas too! I really do not like the whole light positive thing. It is confusing and difficult to understand - I still don't understand it and one of my foster kittens tested light pos a couple of years ago. She turned out to be negative, though, so in that case we believe it was a bad test. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart http://www.change.org/rescuties
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that's what's gotten researchers re-evaluating everything we thought they knew--negative moms, or litters from positive moms that are only partially positive themselves, or positive kittens that then turn negative (when the old wisdom was that a kitten born with the virus couldn't possibly throw it off because of the immature immune system. the last thing that i read, and i don't know where, and can't cite it because it was just sort of a notice someplace of preliminary results (oh, knowing me, i probably DO have it saved SOMEPLACE, but it wasn't definite...) is that they're thinking that maybe the virus does NOT pass through the placental barrier as previously believed, or via the birth process itself (the mucous membranes), but that perhaps the MAJOR vector in all transmission is the mutual grooming and cleaning that goes on. since we already know that the virus does not pass easily, and that many negatives live happily (or, at least co-exist) with positives for many many years--anecdotally, more than the 30% who should be able to throw it off--this hypothesis makes a lot of sense. ESPECIALLY the negative mom and positive kittens bit, if, for example, there's a positive mom who takes on a lot of the nurturing duties, which DOES happen a lot as for faint and strong positives, my understanding, tho i guess it MAY depend on on the brand of test, is that there's really no such thing: if any color shows, it's positive. the depth of the color has nothing to do with the amount of antigen in the sample--could as easily be a function of the test solution. kind of like pregnancy--no such thing as being a little bit positive. On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:45 PM, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question---if the mom tests negative, how would the kitten be positive? Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: New FELV Positive- questions Wow, she's a light positive. I don't know how old she is, but I have no doubt what I would do. I'd leave the kit with her mom and bubba, and retest at some point. She's already with them, so they're already exposed. Moving is stressful. Light Positive can mean that the test results aren't correct and it needs to be redone; or that she's been exposed to the virus and is mounting a defense against it, or whatever.If she was an adult I'd start interferon, but probably not as a kitten. I'm sure you'll get some other ideas too! Best wishes, and thanks for rescuing the FELV positives... Gloria At 11:27 AM 3/28/2008, you wrote: OK- I volunteer for a rescue and care for cats in my home. I already have my own two girls who live in the main home that our FELV positive. I have been taking care of a mom and 2 kittens and then one other cat. They live in a spare room I have converted into a cat room full of toys, a cat tree, and everything they could need. Yesterday, mom and kits had their big day at the vet. Here's the dilemma. Jill, one of the kits, tested a light positive for FELV. Her brother and mother didn't. The other cat was previously tested. Mom and brother have been vaccinated and the other cat is being vaccinated today. The kits are about 12 weeks old now- this is estimated because they were dumped in the country. What do I do w/ everyone? Do I keep people separate or since they are vaccinated they are okay? I don't have immediate homes for anyone right now so I am it. Do I let Jill down w/ my girls or what if she's negative---I haven't had my girls retested...what if they are negative? Any advice would be great! Thanks everyone! http://www.myspace.com/animalrescueofcarroll [] http://www.myspace.com/animalrescueofcarrollKenzie Kanne http://www.myspace.com/animalrescueofcarrollARC Volunteer http://www.myspace.com/animalrescueofcarroll(712)830-9518 www.myspace.com/animalrescueofcarroll http://animalrescue-carroll.tripod.com/index.html animalrescueofcarroll.or g -- How well do you know your celebrity gossip? http://originals.msn.com/thebigdebate?ocid=T002MSN03N0707ATalk celebrity smackdowns here. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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Agree about keeping the family together. As my vet would say, they have already been exposed. I would separate the other cat for sure, at least until she's had the booster (30 days?). She is not protected right now. Wondering how long they have all been together. In any event, I think I'd keep her apart now and until everyone tests negative. I'd test her again, too (I can't remember how long a wait is recommended before retesting). I am questionning why each cat isn't being tested before they are co-mingled? We always tested each cat before co-mingling. In my own home, I did test and vaccinate and booster each cat who joined the family and whom I fostered., Any new cat was isolated for 2 -4 months, until tested negative twice, and vaccinated and boostered before meeting everyone else. L -
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it used to be thought that if mom was negative, the kittens would be, so VERY often kittens weren't tested at all, or at most, one from the litter was. some of it has to do with finances--for small rescues or shelters, the expense of testing full litters during kitten season is not always realistic. in fact, there are still MANY shelters and animal-control facilities that don't test AT ALL--and won't/can't pay for foster parents to do so, either. but tho i didn't specifically answer this before, i of course agree with gloria and everyone: by now, everyone's been exposed and separating them is pointless MC On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 11:25 PM, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agree about keeping the family together. As my vet would say, they have already been exposed. I would separate the other cat for sure, at least until she's had the booster (30 days?). She is not protected right now. Wondering how long they have all been together. In any event, I think I'd keep her apart now and until everyone tests negative. I'd test her again, too (I can't remember how long a wait is recommended before retesting). I am questionning why each cat isn't being tested before they are co-mingled? We always tested each cat before co-mingling. In my own home, I did test and vaccinate and booster each cat who joined the family and whom I fostered., Any new cat was isolated for 2 -4 months, until tested negative twice, and vaccinated and boostered before meeting everyone else. L - -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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I totally agree with Gloria. Everyone has been exposed too late on separating them. There is no such thing as a light positive. It is either positive or negative. I can honestly say that I had positives and negatives live together for years. I vaccinated the negatives every year. Not one of the negatives died from FELV they died of other Feline illnesses. In a message dated 3/28/2008 9:08:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but tho i didn't specifically answer this before, i of course agree with gloria and everyone: by now, everyone's been exposed and separating them is pointless MC TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Terrie Mohr-Forker _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) **Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15ncid=aolhom000301)
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You might also try mixing pumpkin with wet food to help with the diarrhea. I have cats (and a dog) that get diarrhea on antibiotics. I admire what you've taken on. Good luck with all the cats you have rescued, and welcome to the list. tonya Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What a loving thing you've done! I do like interferon alpha, but find different vets sell it for different prices. I've found a less expensive source locally and generally give 1/2 cc daily to FELV cats that are less than 3 yrs old, or if they're sick like yours. I've been using veterinary (not grocery store) kaopectate for diarrhea lately and it's worked great - think it's good for coating the lining of the digestive tract. I started that because I ran out of Panacur, but it's working well. The latest formulation of Kaopectate that you get in the grocery and drugs stores contains an aspirin like substance that's harmful to cats. At Veterinarypartner.com, there's an article that says: The old form of Kaopectate contained only kaolin and pectin while later forms contained attapulgite, all of which were very safe in animals due to the lack of systemic absorption. However, Kaopectate has recently developed a new formula that contains the drug bismuth subsalicylate, a drug that can be toxic to cats. So we got some of the old formula from a vet, and it works well. Best of luck, Gloria On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:05 PM, whocares whocares wrote: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgHi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine. Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted. Thanks El -
Re: new hope for Boo
Ah thanks Anita. We had to rush him in this morning a day early because he was breathing through his mouth. Dr. Gill, BooBoo's biggest admirer drew another 100 cc from his lungs. He immediately felt better and Dr. Gill handed him over to Bob to take home. As soon as he got home he ate like a little horse and now is sleeping. My husband and I keep asking each other if we're sure this is what we want to do and we both agree we've made a committment to try what's available to us and that's what we're going to do. It will break my heart when our 19 year old goes but he has lead such a good life and still is but poor little BooBoo didn't deserve this and it could have easily been prevented by one frickin vaccine that a stupid cat breeder neglected to do. I hope the woman who took the 300 bucks from us for him uses the money to go out for dinner and chokes. I'm appalled that they know what we're going through and didn't at the very least give back the money to help us offset his vet bills. I'm not done with these people. I'm just too busy with Boo at the moment to get really vindictive. Lynne - Original Message - From: Stray Cat Alliance To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: RE: new hope for Boo Lynne, my heart truly goes out to you, your husband and Boo. What love and compassion you have - that is truly worth its weight in gold. Love is the best medicine and you obviously have a lot of that! I am praying the treatments help Boo. Best wishes, Anita Every year shelters kill almost 5,000,000 cats, dogs, puppies kittens. Most were beautiful, loving creatures (even feral cats!) that died simply because they did not have a home. Every puppy or kitten born costs a shelter animal its life. Save lives, spay-neuter, support Trap-Neuter-Return (TNR) adopt for life! Visit http://www.castawaycritters.org/info/display?PageID=153 for information on Spay/Neuter in Mid-Central PA Visit http://www.alleycat.org for information on humane control of the feral and stray cat population Visit http://www.cpaa.info for information on life-saving programs and organizations in Mid-Central PA From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: new hope for Boo Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:17:18 -0500 Well, after bawling a lot last night and conferring with my husband while at work today I faxed off another letter to my vet letting him know that Bob and I would try any treatment that may possibly give BooBoo more time on this earth with us and I made a couple suggestions. To my surprise he told me I could pick the interferon up tomorrow at the pharmacy I deal with and he would start the injections Saturday. The other vet said it would do no good at this stage, but BooBoo's primary caregiver is more willing to try to help him, that is if we wish to go through with it. I was so desparate today I wondered if he could be transfused to give him a better shot at battling this and he will be transfused next week. His vet said they have a donor for him that is vaccinated yearly. I didn't actually think there would be a live donor and was kind of dismayed to think another cat would have to do this for us but the vet assured me with cats their blood store is totally back to normal in a short time. I even had a pharmacy tech offer her Himalayan as a donor. I truly do not know if this will do any good whatsoever but what is there left to do. If new blood and interferon can't help him, I honestly believe we can do nothing more. I asked about other drugs too but the vet said he was really happy and thankful we're willing to go this far for him. He has 3 cats of his own and does love cats. He told us most positive cats or cats with FIP aren't given these chances so this is a first for him. I know he will do everything he can to help BooBoo. He really loves him too..If we can just give him a fighting chance here I'll try this Transfer Factor stuff that came in the mail today. Lynne -- Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your fix. Check it out.
Re: new hope for Boo
I came in a little late to all this that BooBoo has been going through, and I missed something...obviously. You got this cat from a Breeder And they did NOT give you your money back??? (Not that it would have helped Boo, but the gesture would have been nice) I hope you fry their ( ). People like this should be prosacuted for the sake of the cats and the misery they put the people through. I hope you are saving every single receipt. So glad Boo is feeling better. I hope both he and you have a lovely weekend! Dede --- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah thanks Anita. We had to rush him in this morning a day early because he was breathing through his mouth. Dr. Gill, BooBoo's biggest admirer drew another 100 cc from his lungs. He immediately felt better and Dr. Gill handed him over to Bob to take home. As soon as he got home he ate like a little horse and now is sleeping. My husband and I keep asking each other if we're sure this is what we want to do and we both agree we've made a committment to try what's available to us and that's what we're going to do. It will break my heart when our 19 year old goes but he has lead such a good life and still is but poor little BooBoo didn't deserve this and it could have easily been prevented by one frickin vaccine that a stupid cat breeder neglected to do. I hope the woman who took the 300 bucks from us for him uses the money to go out for dinner and chokes. I'm appalled that they know what we're going through and didn't at the very least give back the money to help us offset his vet bills. I'm not done with these people. I'm just too busy with Boo at the moment to get really vindictive. Lynne - Original Message - From: Stray Cat Alliance To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: RE: new hope for Boo Lynne, my heart truly goes out to you, your husband and Boo. What love and compassion you have - that is truly worth its weight in gold. Love is the best medicine and you obviously have a lot of that! I am praying the treatments help Boo. Best wishes, Anita Every year shelters kill almost 5,000,000 cats, dogs, puppies kittens. Most were beautiful, loving creatures (even feral cats!) that died simply because they did not have a home. Every puppy or kitten born costs a shelter animal its life. Save lives, spay-neuter, support Trap-Neuter-Return (TNR) adopt for life! Visit http://www.castawaycritters.org/info/display?PageID=153 for information on Spay/Neuter in Mid-Central PA Visit http://www.alleycat.org for information on humane control of the feral and stray cat population Visit http://www.cpaa.info for information on life-saving programs and organizations in Mid-Central PA From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: new hope for Boo Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:17:18 -0500 Well, after bawling a lot last night and conferring with my husband while at work today I faxed off another letter to my vet letting him know that Bob and I would try any treatment that may possibly give BooBoo more time on this earth with us and I made a couple suggestions. To my surprise he told me I could pick the interferon up tomorrow at the pharmacy I deal with and he would start the injections Saturday. The other vet said it would do no good at this stage, but BooBoo's primary caregiver is more willing to try to help him, that is if we wish to go through with it. I was so desparate today I wondered if he could be transfused to give him a better shot at battling this and he will be transfused next week. His vet said they have a donor for him that is vaccinated yearly. I didn't actually think there would be a live donor and was kind of dismayed to think another cat would have to do this for us but the vet assured me with cats their blood store is totally back to normal in a short time. I even had a pharmacy tech offer her Himalayan as a donor. I truly do not know if this will do any good whatsoever but what is there left to do. If new blood and interferon can't help him, I honestly believe we can do nothing more. I asked about other drugs too but the vet said he was really happy and thankful we're willing to go this far for him. He has 3 cats of his own and does love cats. He told us most positive cats or cats with FIP aren't given these chances so this is a first for him. I know he will do everything he can to help BooBoo. He really loves him too..If we can just give him a fighting chance here I'll try this Transfer Factor stuff that came in the mail today. Lynne -- Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your
Re: new hope for Boo
Dede, she was not a registered breeder but just had all these Himalayans. I found out about BooBoo being for sale online of all places. The only reason I bought him was because he is BooBoo, a cat I had got to know well through the previous summer and fall as he would come to my house all of the time and we'd feed, groom and tend to his wounds. He had a little collar on and I would put messages on his collar for them to take him to the vet because of his bloodied ears etc and one time the owner came around wanting to know if I had him, which I didn't and I lit into her about her neglect and threatened to take him to the humane society if she didn't keep care of him. She and I aren't exactly buddies. I dealt with her two daughters when I bought Boo. The daughter told me that to her knowledge he had been vaccinated, I didn't ask for proof of vaccination but assumed he had been. This is one of those buyer beware situations I guess. I'm convinced now they knew he was not well. After they agreed to sell him to me we were not able to actually have him for almost 2 weeks. They kept making excuses about family wanting to see him, he was asleep with the other cats, etc etc. I would ask the daughter, is there something wrong with him, is he ok and she would just laugh it off and say, he's great. Even if I had known he was ill I would have taken him. It's weird but it's like this cat was destined to be ours. Once the cold weather came and he stayed inside, I would come home every day from work and hope that he would come out from under the trailer in our driveway and I would steal him so he'd never have to leave again. It was a dream come true to get him and now this. Lynne - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 3:57 PM Subject: Re: new hope for Boo I came in a little late to all this that BooBoo has been going through, and I missed something...obviously. You got this cat from a Breeder And they did NOT give you your money back??? (Not that it would have helped Boo, but the gesture would have been nice) I hope you fry their ( ). People like this should be prosacuted for the sake of the cats and the misery they put the people through. I hope you are saving every single receipt. So glad Boo is feeling better. I hope both he and you have a lovely weekend! Dede --- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah thanks Anita. We had to rush him in this morning a day early because he was breathing through his mouth. Dr. Gill, BooBoo's biggest admirer drew another 100 cc from his lungs. He immediately felt better and Dr. Gill handed him over to Bob to take home. As soon as he got home he ate like a little horse and now is sleeping. My husband and I keep asking each other if we're sure this is what we want to do and we both agree we've made a committment to try what's available to us and that's what we're going to do. It will break my heart when our 19 year old goes but he has lead such a good life and still is but poor little BooBoo didn't deserve this and it could have easily been prevented by one frickin vaccine that a stupid cat breeder neglected to do. I hope the woman who took the 300 bucks from us for him uses the money to go out for dinner and chokes. I'm appalled that they know what we're going through and didn't at the very least give back the money to help us offset his vet bills. I'm not done with these people. I'm just too busy with Boo at the moment to get really vindictive. Lynne - Original Message - From: Stray Cat Alliance To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: RE: new hope for Boo Lynne, my heart truly goes out to you, your husband and Boo. What love and compassion you have - that is truly worth its weight in gold. Love is the best medicine and you obviously have a lot of that! I am praying the treatments help Boo. Best wishes, Anita Every year shelters kill almost 5,000,000 cats, dogs, puppies kittens. Most were beautiful, loving creatures (even feral cats!) that died simply because they did not have a home. Every puppy or kitten born costs a shelter animal its life. Save lives, spay-neuter, support Trap-Neuter-Return (TNR) adopt for life! Visit http://www.castawaycritters.org/info/display?PageID=153 for information on Spay/Neuter in Mid-Central PA Visit http://www.alleycat.org for information on humane control of the feral and stray cat population Visit http://www.cpaa.info for information on life-saving programs and organizations in Mid-Central PA -- -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: new hope for Boo Date: Thu, 28 Feb
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I would believe that in most states, the minute you take money for something, and verify it is healthy or it works, you are committed to be truthful about it. If not, it seems like fraud. One thing is for sure, Boo would have never gotten the care you have given him had he stayed there. Even with a shorter life, it is better to know love and have quality in your existence. You are fortunate that Boo does so well after the aspirations. My soul mate, Smokey died from cancer, and each time we did the aspiration, he'd get a bit worse...plus he wasn't eating. It must make you feel great to see him eating so well. All the best, Dede --- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dede, she was not a registered breeder but just had all these Himalayans. I found out about BooBoo being for sale online of all places. The only reason I bought him was because he is BooBoo, a cat I had got to know well through the previous summer and fall as he would come to my house all of the time and we'd feed, groom and tend to his wounds. He had a little collar on and I would put messages on his collar for them to take him to the vet because of his bloodied ears etc and one time the owner came around wanting to know if I had him, which I didn't and I lit into her about her neglect and threatened to take him to the humane society if she didn't keep care of him. She and I aren't exactly buddies. I dealt with her two daughters when I bought Boo. The daughter told me that to her knowledge he had been vaccinated, I didn't ask for proof of vaccination but assumed he had been. This is one of those buyer beware situations I guess. I'm convinced now they knew he was not well. After they agreed to sell him to me we were not able to actually have him for almost 2 weeks. They kept making excuses about family wanting to see him, he was asleep with the other cats, etc etc. I would ask the daughter, is there something wrong with him, is he ok and she would just laugh it off and say, he's great. Even if I had known he was ill I would have taken him. It's weird but it's like this cat was destined to be ours. Once the cold weather came and he stayed inside, I would come home every day from work and hope that he would come out from under the trailer in our driveway and I would steal him so he'd never have to leave again. It was a dream come true to get him and now this. Lynne - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 3:57 PM Subject: Re: new hope for Boo I came in a little late to all this that BooBoo has been going through, and I missed something...obviously. You got this cat from a Breeder And they did NOT give you your money back??? (Not that it would have helped Boo, but the gesture would have been nice) I hope you fry their ( ). People like this should be prosacuted for the sake of the cats and the misery they put the people through. I hope you are saving every single receipt. So glad Boo is feeling better. I hope both he and you have a lovely weekend! Dede --- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah thanks Anita. We had to rush him in this morning a day early because he was breathing through his mouth. Dr. Gill, BooBoo's biggest admirer drew another 100 cc from his lungs. He immediately felt better and Dr. Gill handed him over to Bob to take home. As soon as he got home he ate like a little horse and now is sleeping. My husband and I keep asking each other if we're sure this is what we want to do and we both agree we've made a committment to try what's available to us and that's what we're going to do. It will break my heart when our 19 year old goes but he has lead such a good life and still is but poor little BooBoo didn't deserve this and it could have easily been prevented by one frickin vaccine that a stupid cat breeder neglected to do. I hope the woman who took the 300 bucks from us for him uses the money to go out for dinner and chokes. I'm appalled that they know what we're going through and didn't at the very least give back the money to help us offset his vet bills. I'm not done with these people. I'm just too busy with Boo at the moment to get really vindictive. Lynne - Original Message - From: Stray Cat Alliance To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: RE: new hope for Boo Lynne, my heart truly goes out to you, your husband and Boo. What love and compassion you have - that is truly worth its weight in gold. Love is the best medicine and you obviously have a lot of that! I am praying the treatments help Boo. Best wishes, Anita Every year shelters kill almost 5,000,000 cats, dogs, puppies kittens
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Ah, poor Smokey. I wish it could have helped him. Of course Boo doesn't have cancer, that we know of, but after these aspirations he's a new cat for a couple days. Even his vet is amazed at how he rebounds. Unfortunately, this is turning out to be a weekly thing and I don't know how long his little body can tolerate it. They've had to shave two areas on his sides to put the needles in. Its terrible but when he stretches out on the bed he looks like one of those skinned rabbits in the frozen meat department. I tried cooking one of those things once when Bob and I first were married and we had to toss it out because it was just so nightmarish looking. Now BooBoo kind of looks like that. I keep combing his long hair over the patches. Poor little guy. Lynne - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: Re: new hope for Boo I would believe that in most states, the minute you take money for something, and verify it is healthy or it works, you are committed to be truthful about it. If not, it seems like fraud. One thing is for sure, Boo would have never gotten the care you have given him had he stayed there. Even with a shorter life, it is better to know love and have quality in your existence. You are fortunate that Boo does so well after the aspirations. My soul mate, Smokey died from cancer, and each time we did the aspiration, he'd get a bit worse...plus he wasn't eating. It must make you feel great to see him eating so well. All the best, Dede --- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dede, she was not a registered breeder but just had all these Himalayans. I found out about BooBoo being for sale online of all places. The only reason I bought him was because he is BooBoo, a cat I had got to know well through the previous summer and fall as he would come to my house all of the time and we'd feed, groom and tend to his wounds. He had a little collar on and I would put messages on his collar for them to take him to the vet because of his bloodied ears etc and one time the owner came around wanting to know if I had him, which I didn't and I lit into her about her neglect and threatened to take him to the humane society if she didn't keep care of him. She and I aren't exactly buddies. I dealt with her two daughters when I bought Boo. The daughter told me that to her knowledge he had been vaccinated, I didn't ask for proof of vaccination but assumed he had been. This is one of those buyer beware situations I guess. I'm convinced now they knew he was not well. After they agreed to sell him to me we were not able to actually have him for almost 2 weeks. They kept making excuses about family wanting to see him, he was asleep with the other cats, etc etc. I would ask the daughter, is there something wrong with him, is he ok and she would just laugh it off and say, he's great. Even if I had known he was ill I would have taken him. It's weird but it's like this cat was destined to be ours. Once the cold weather came and he stayed inside, I would come home every day from work and hope that he would come out from under the trailer in our driveway and I would steal him so he'd never have to leave again. It was a dream come true to get him and now this. Lynne - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 3:57 PM Subject: Re: new hope for Boo I came in a little late to all this that BooBoo has been going through, and I missed something...obviously. You got this cat from a Breeder And they did NOT give you your money back??? (Not that it would have helped Boo, but the gesture would have been nice) I hope you fry their ( ). People like this should be prosacuted for the sake of the cats and the misery they put the people through. I hope you are saving every single receipt. So glad Boo is feeling better. I hope both he and you have a lovely weekend! Dede --- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah thanks Anita. We had to rush him in this morning a day early because he was breathing through his mouth. Dr. Gill, BooBoo's biggest admirer drew another 100 cc from his lungs. He immediately felt better and Dr. Gill handed him over to Bob to take home. As soon as he got home he ate like a little horse and now is sleeping. My husband and I keep asking each other if we're sure this is what we want to do and we both agree we've made a committment to try what's available to us and that's what we're going to do. It will break my heart when our 19 year old goes but he has lead such a good life and still is but poor little BooBoo didn't deserve
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He doesn't think he is poor.look at the love around him. And cats don't just by appearances the way people do. On Feb 29, 2008, at 5:19 PM, Lynne wrote: Ah, poor Smokey. I wish it could have helped him. Of course Boo doesn't have cancer, that we know of, but after these aspirations he's a new cat for a couple days. Even his vet is amazed at how he rebounds. Unfortunately, this is turning out to be a weekly thing and I don't know how long his little body can tolerate it. They've had to shave two areas on his sides to put the needles in. Its terrible but when he stretches out on the bed he looks like one of those skinned rabbits in the frozen meat department. I tried cooking one of those things once when Bob and I first were married and we had to toss it out because it was just so nightmarish looking. Now BooBoo kind of looks like that. I keep combing his long hair over the patches. Poor little guy. Lynne - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: Re: new hope for Boo I would believe that in most states, the minute you take money for something, and verify it is healthy or it works, you are committed to be truthful about it. If not, it seems like fraud. One thing is for sure, Boo would have never gotten the care you have given him had he stayed there. Even with a shorter life, it is better to know love and have quality in your existence. You are fortunate that Boo does so well after the aspirations. My soul mate, Smokey died from cancer, and each time we did the aspiration, he'd get a bit worse...plus he wasn't eating. It must make you feel great to see him eating so well. All the best, Dede --- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dede, she was not a registered breeder but just had all these Himalayans. I found out about BooBoo being for sale online of all places. The only reason I bought him was because he is BooBoo, a cat I had got to know well through the previous summer and fall as he would come to my house all of the time and we'd feed, groom and tend to his wounds. He had a little collar on and I would put messages on his collar for them to take him to the vet because of his bloodied ears etc and one time the owner came around wanting to know if I had him, which I didn't and I lit into her about her neglect and threatened to take him to the humane society if she didn't keep care of him. She and I aren't exactly buddies. I dealt with her two daughters when I bought Boo. The daughter told me that to her knowledge he had been vaccinated, I didn't ask for proof of vaccination but assumed he had been. This is one of those buyer beware situations I guess. I'm convinced now they knew he was not well. After they agreed to sell him to me we were not able to actually have him for almost 2 weeks. They kept making excuses about family wanting to see him, he was asleep with the other cats, etc etc. I would ask the daughter, is there something wrong with him, is he ok and she would just laugh it off and say, he's great. Even if I had known he was ill I would have taken him. It's weird but it's like this cat was destined to be ours. Once the cold weather came and he stayed inside, I would come home every day from work and hope that he would come out from under the trailer in our driveway and I would steal him so he'd never have to leave again. It was a dream come true to get him and now this. Lynne - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 3:57 PM Subject: Re: new hope for Boo I came in a little late to all this that BooBoo has been going through, and I missed something...obviously. You got this cat from a Breeder And they did NOT give you your money back??? (Not that it would have helped Boo, but the gesture would have been nice) I hope you fry their ( ). People like this should be prosacuted for the sake of the cats and the misery they put the people through. I hope you are saving every single receipt. So glad Boo is feeling better. I hope both he and you have a lovely weekend! Dede --- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah thanks Anita. We had to rush him in this morning a day early because he was breathing through his mouth. Dr. Gill, BooBoo's biggest admirer drew another 100 cc from his lungs. He immediately felt better and Dr. Gill handed him over to Bob to take home. As soon as he got home he ate like a little horse and now is sleeping. My husband and I keep asking each other if we're sure this is what we want to do and we both agree we've made a committment to try what's available to us and that's what we're going to do. It will break my heart when our 19 year old goes but he has lead such a good life and still is but poor little BooBoo didn't deserve this and it could have easily been prevented by one frickin
Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli
Lynne, Don't be so 'down'. I've seen cases like yours have a very happy ending and a very long life for your baby. Give me a call... Karen - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:14 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli Thanl you Marylyn. I sometimes feel I am being a big whiner here. So many of you have dealt with far worse issues than I have and I do need to give my self a reality check and just get on with the living part. At this very point in time I simply cannot envision not having him around. I know this will not have a happy ending but I will do everything I can to make his life peaceful and enjoyable. We both just love him to pieces. - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:05 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli It is so hard. I hope you have the luck I have had with Dixie. If you need to just vent and can figure out how to email me directly, please feel free. Again, don't let your frustration, anger, grief and all those other very understandable emotions, emotions we have all felt, cheat you of all the wonderful time you have with him. The time may be long or short but it is a very special time for you all. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Lynne wrote: The new one today said we'd talk about it again after we got his cytology report back Marylyn. His primary care giver was the one who told my husband it would do him no good now. We aren't giving up on anything where this boy is concerned. This has just been a bad day for me. They took fluid from both sides of his chest today and he's lost a pound in less than a week. That may have been the fluid. He looks kind of pitiful with big chunks of his hair shaved away on both sides. I'm very upbeat when I go upstairs to see him but I'm near tears the rest of the time. I still don't think I have accepted this. Tomorrow will be another day, however. We did raise his dish today, actually just put it on a book and it just seems more comfortable for him to eat that way. Bob and I do manage to get a laugh every now and then with some of the ridiculous things we come up with to make him comfortable. The cat must think we're nuts. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli Lynne, Please check with another vet re the interferon. Vets have very different ideas on how and when to use it. Second opinions don't hurt anything. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Lynne wrote: El, I am too new to this to give advice but I am sure you will be receiving many replies shortly by many knowledgeable people on this group. It sounds to me that you are doing every thing possible for these animals that can benefit them. The fact that your girl is around 8 years old may be an encouraging sign. Maybe the antibiotics are contributing to her diarrhea? and it is a temporary thing? I can't imagine what more you can do for her. She obviously seems happy which is a really important thing and of course it is necessary to keep yours isolated from the others. You'll need to ask your vet about the interferon. It could be useful. Apparently it has shown some favorable results. If I had that option now I would definitely try it but it's too late for my boy according to the vet. Sorry I can't be of help, I so admire you for what you have done for these animals. I'm sure others will come forward as soon as they see your email. Best of luck Lynne - Original Message - From: whocares whocares To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested
Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli
What a loving thing you've done! I do like interferon alpha, but find different vets sell it for different prices. I've found a less expensive source locally and generally give 1/2 cc daily to FELV cats that are less than 3 yrs old, or if they're sick like yours. I've been using veterinary (not grocery store) kaopectate for diarrhea lately and it's worked great - think it's good for coating the lining of the digestive tract. I started that because I ran out of Panacur, but it's working well. The latest formulation of Kaopectate that you get in the grocery and drugs stores contains an aspirin like substance that's harmful to cats. At Veterinarypartner.com, there's an article that says: The old form of Kaopectate contained only kaolin and pectin while later forms contained attapulgite, all of which were very safe in animals due to the lack of systemic absorption. However, Kaopectate has recently developed a new formula that contains the drug bismuth subsalicylate, a drug that can be toxic to cats. So we got some of the old formula from a vet, and it works well. Best of luck, Gloria On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:05 PM, whocares whocares wrote: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine. Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted. Thanks El
Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli
El, I have been following this list for some time now, and find that there are great people here with excellent information. I give great thanks to the people on this list for their dedication to saving the unwanted'. (I myself currently have 14 cats that have found a home here.) All of which I have spayed/neutered and brought back to health. I have a website on Transfer Factor that you can go to and get a great amount of information. It is www.powerbod.com/us/karengriffith There are several brands of Transfer Factor, but this is the type that I have found that has the most extensive research behind it as well as the most beneficial effects on FeLV cats. You can read the information on what Transfer Factor does on the first page, and then you can go to the page for Veterinary Medicine and Transfer Factor. It has a lot of info on the immune supporting capabilities of Transfer Factor. Colostrum is very good as a supplement, but the Transfer Factor is more targeted. It takes close to 60 colostrum pills to equal the immune benefits of one Transfer Factor Plus Tri Factor. I would also encourage you to read the page for Treating Chronically Ill Patients, as it will give you an idea of the benefits to humansThis helped me to more readily understand the benefits to our animals. If you have any questions on nutrition or care for you kitties, you are more than welcome to call me at 740-992-5782. This goes for anyone on the list. I certainly don't have all of the answers (as does anyone with this aggravating disease), but hopefully can help to guide you, along with your veterinarians, to a successful outcome on your new babies. I am also willing to speak with your veterinarians, if you so wish. I have a passion for saving these FeLV cats that are most often sentenced to death. They can, in most cases, live a long happy life. The type of Transfer Factor I use for FeLV kitties is the human form. If your decide to order from the company, order the Transfer Factor Plus Tri Factor. I just use one pill a day unless there is a major crisis and then may use two. Only once in the most severe of cases have I used 2/day. I have found the human formula much more effective than the feline formula. The wonderful thing is that here are no adverse side effects and it will help with many of the other problems found in FeLV. I am an Animal Scientist (Ohio State University) with a specialty in animal nutrition and physiology. I am always willing to speak with anyone on the list about their sweet babies that are having problems. It is easiest to reach me after 9pm EST. (I have a very slow internet connection (rural area), so it is best to call me.) Looking forward to speaking with you if you have any questions. Karen Griffith Karen Griffith Farms 34440 State Route 7 Pomeroy, Ohio 45769 Phone: 740-992-5782 Website: www.karengriffith.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: whocares whocares To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM,
RE: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli
El, you're an angel. Thanks for everything you're doing for your new furbabes. My FeLV Snoball was prone to diarrhea. On the advice of my vet, when he had a bout, I gave him only plain cooked chicken breast--I broiled it, then blended in with water and a feline supplement--chicken alone doesn't provide all the necessary nutrition--to make a thick, bland puree. (Because I had six positives in the same space they all had to have the chicken, and they all loved it.) I kept it up for 2-3 weeks, and it did the trick every time--cleared up the diarrhea. Good luck Kerry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria Lane Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli What a loving thing you've done! I do like interferon alpha, but find different vets sell it for different prices. I've found a less expensive source locally and generally give 1/2 cc daily to FELV cats that are less than 3 yrs old, or if they're sick like yours. I've been using veterinary (not grocery store) kaopectate for diarrhea lately and it's worked great - think it's good for coating the lining of the digestive tract. I started that because I ran out of Panacur, but it's working well. The latest formulation of Kaopectate that you get in the grocery and drugs stores contains an aspirin like substance that's harmful to cats. At Veterinarypartner.com, there's an article that says: The old form of Kaopectate contained only kaolin and pectin while later forms contained attapulgite, all of which were very safe in animals due to the lack of systemic absorption. However, Kaopectate has recently developed a new formula that contains the drug bismuth subsalicylate, a drug that can be toxic to cats. So we got some of the old formula from a vet, and it works well. Best of luck, Gloria On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:05 PM, whocares whocares wrote: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine. Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted. Thanks El _ Effective September 1, 2007, we have changed our name to Mayer Brown LLP. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer Brown LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer Brown LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely
Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli
Thanks for the Kaopectate information. I'll pass that on. Pumpkin and apple pectin work for diarrhea control too. On Feb 25, 2008, at 8:51 AM, Gloria Lane wrote: What a loving thing you've done! I do like interferon alpha, but find different vets sell it for different prices. I've found a less expensive source locally and generally give 1/2 cc daily to FELV cats that are less than 3 yrs old, or if they're sick like yours. I've been using veterinary (not grocery store) kaopectate for diarrhea lately and it's worked great - think it's good for coating the lining of the digestive tract. I started that because I ran out of Panacur, but it's working well. The latest formulation of Kaopectate that you get in the grocery and drugs stores contains an aspirin like substance that's harmful to cats. At Veterinarypartner.com, there's an article that says: The old form of Kaopectate contained only kaolin and pectin while later forms contained attapulgite, all of which were very safe in animals due to the lack of systemic absorption. However, Kaopectate has recently developed a new formula that contains the drug bismuth subsalicylate, a drug that can be toxic to cats. So we got some of the old formula from a vet, and it works well. Best of luck, Gloria On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:05 PM, whocares whocares wrote: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine. Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted. Thanks El
Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli
I'll have to try the Apple pectin, if I can find it. I'm hoping I can continue to get the kaopectate (old formula). It's easy to syringe. I make a bunch of syringes, leave them out, and grab a couple when I'm rushing off to work, you know. If I can get and try Apple pectin, that might be easy to syringe too. Thanks! Gloria At 02:10 PM 2/25/2008, you wrote: Thanks for the Kaopectate information. I'll pass that on. Pumpkin and apple pectin work for diarrhea control too. On Feb 25, 2008, at 8:51 AM, Gloria Lane wrote: What a loving thing you've done! I do like interferon alpha, but find different vets sell it for different prices. I've found a less expensive source locally and generally give 1/2 cc daily to FELV cats that are less than 3 yrs old, or if they're sick like yours. I've been using veterinary (not grocery store) kaopectate for diarrhea lately and it's worked great - think it's good for coating the lining of the digestive tract. I started that because I ran out of Panacur, but it's working well. The latest formulation of Kaopectate that you get in the grocery and drugs stores contains an aspirin like substance that's harmful to cats. At Veterinarypartner.com, there's an article that says: The old form of Kaopectate contained only kaolin and pectin while later forms contained attapulgite, all of which were very safe in animals due to the lack of systemic absorption. However, Kaopectate has recently developed a new formula that contains the drug bismuth subsalicylate, a drug that can be toxic to cats. So we got some of the old formula from a vet, and it works well. Best of luck, Gloria On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:05 PM, whocares whocares wrote: To:mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine. Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted. Thanks El --
Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli
Karen I am trying to call you. I saw in a post the best time to call you was after 9:00. I will. I just tried again but no answer. I'm never home during the day. Gotta go to that job of mine. Lynne - Original Message - From: Karen Griffith To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 9:28 AM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli Lynne, Don't be so 'down'. I've seen cases like yours have a very happy ending and a very long life for your baby. Give me a call... Karen - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:14 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli Thanl you Marylyn. I sometimes feel I am being a big whiner here. So many of you have dealt with far worse issues than I have and I do need to give my self a reality check and just get on with the living part. At this very point in time I simply cannot envision not having him around. I know this will not have a happy ending but I will do everything I can to make his life peaceful and enjoyable. We both just love him to pieces. - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:05 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli It is so hard. I hope you have the luck I have had with Dixie. If you need to just vent and can figure out how to email me directly, please feel free. Again, don't let your frustration, anger, grief and all those other very understandable emotions, emotions we have all felt, cheat you of all the wonderful time you have with him. The time may be long or short but it is a very special time for you all. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Lynne wrote: The new one today said we'd talk about it again after we got his cytology report back Marylyn. His primary care giver was the one who told my husband it would do him no good now. We aren't giving up on anything where this boy is concerned. This has just been a bad day for me. They took fluid from both sides of his chest today and he's lost a pound in less than a week. That may have been the fluid. He looks kind of pitiful with big chunks of his hair shaved away on both sides. I'm very upbeat when I go upstairs to see him but I'm near tears the rest of the time. I still don't think I have accepted this. Tomorrow will be another day, however. We did raise his dish today, actually just put it on a book and it just seems more comfortable for him to eat that way. Bob and I do manage to get a laugh every now and then with some of the ridiculous things we come up with to make him comfortable. The cat must think we're nuts. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli Lynne, Please check with another vet re the interferon. Vets have very different ideas on how and when to use it. Second opinions don't hurt anything. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Lynne wrote: El, I am too new to this to give advice but I am sure you will be receiving many replies shortly by many knowledgeable people on this group. It sounds to me that you are doing every thing possible for these animals that can benefit them. The fact that your girl is around 8 years old may be an encouraging sign. Maybe the antibiotics are contributing to her diarrhea? and it is a temporary thing? I can't imagine what more you can do for her. She obviously seems happy which is a really important thing and of course it is necessary to keep yours isolated from the others. You'll need to ask your vet about the interferon. It could be useful. Apparently it has shown some favorable results. If I had that option now I would definitely try it but it's too late for my boy according to the vet. Sorry I can't be of help, I so admire you for what you have done for these animals. I'm sure others will come forward as soon as they see your email. Best of luck Lynne - Original Message - From: whocares whocares To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet
Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli
Blessings to you for caring for the little ones. Others on the list can give you better advise than I but I am going to put my two cents in. I try to give colostrum to any stressed cat that I feed..my Mom has several ferals/throw-aways/strays who come regularly for food. I add brewer's yeast and whatever supplements I can to the wet food they get. Dixie, my FeLV+ cat who is extremely healthy and happy and has been for the three years she has graced me with her presence, gets interferon to help with her teeth. None of us (her regular vets or her holistic vets) know whether the FeLV or miserable diet as a throw-away caused the problems but the interferon + PetzLife Brush Away + a very high quality, no grain diet with lots of veggies (finely chopped or baby food) have that problem under control. Probiotics are great. The cats are stressed and I use Feliway spray and Cat Nap to calm cats when I need to. Most of Mom's can't be touched, much less handled. Occasionally I have to live trap them and Feliway seems to help as does Rescue Remedy, Cat Nap is new to my tool box but I have seen it work with Dixie and other cats. Provide them with places to hide and feel safe. Spraying the bedding and yourself will help. The other cats in the house may benefit from RR in their water. The addition of the lovely little ones has to be stressful for them too. They really know much more than we give them credit for. Personally, I would check with a holistic vet as a companion, not replacement, for regular vet care. When my very wonderful regular vets told me Dixie tested positive and after we decided what to do with her (long story but she could not be released as planned because of the FeLV) I took her to see a holistic vet. Again, as a companion, not a substitute. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:05 PM, whocares whocares wrote: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine. Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted. Thanks El
Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli
El, I am too new to this to give advice but I am sure you will be receiving many replies shortly by many knowledgeable people on this group. It sounds to me that you are doing every thing possible for these animals that can benefit them. The fact that your girl is around 8 years old may be an encouraging sign. Maybe the antibiotics are contributing to her diarrhea? and it is a temporary thing? I can't imagine what more you can do for her. She obviously seems happy which is a really important thing and of course it is necessary to keep yours isolated from the others. You'll need to ask your vet about the interferon. It could be useful. Apparently it has shown some favorable results. If I had that option now I would definitely try it but it's too late for my boy according to the vet. Sorry I can't be of help, I so admire you for what you have done for these animals. I'm sure others will come forward as soon as they see your email. Best of luck Lynne - Original Message - From: whocares whocares To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine. Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted. Thanks El --
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Hi El, Thank you for taking in those severely neglected cats. I cannot believe (though that's a figure of speech) that the FeLV+ girl was in such horrible shape, coming from a shelter. You have given all of them a new lease on life. I'm always grateful that there are people like you out there, and you'll find like-minded souls here. There is support on the list for colostrum and a similar product called Transfer Factor. I'm currently using neither on my FeLV+ girl, but you will probably get responses from people using one or the other. If you're using a specific brand, see if they have a web site with information on dose strength. Or, you might call and consult with a holistic or homeopathic vet in your area. They usually have good ideas about these types of supplements. Interferon? Yes! Interferon alpha is very affordable, and most vets should have the ability to get it for you. My cat is on a 5 days on/5 days off regimen. I also highly recommend Vetri-Science's Liquid DMG product. One bottle costs in the $30-35 range and lasts my cat for three months, easily. She is asymptomatic, and it's possible that the DMG and interferon are helping her to stay that way. FInally, I think giving these cats lots of love, play-time and a stress-free environment goes a long way toward helping them have fewer or no symptoms. Best, Lance On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:05 PM, whocares whocares wrote: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine. Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted. Thanks El
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The new one today said we'd talk about it again after we got his cytology report back Marylyn. His primary care giver was the one who told my husband it would do him no good now. We aren't giving up on anything where this boy is concerned. This has just been a bad day for me. They took fluid from both sides of his chest today and he's lost a pound in less than a week. That may have been the fluid. He looks kind of pitiful with big chunks of his hair shaved away on both sides. I'm very upbeat when I go upstairs to see him but I'm near tears the rest of the time. I still don't think I have accepted this. Tomorrow will be another day however. We did raise his dish today, actually just put it on a book and it just seems more comfortable for him to eat that way. Bob and I do manage to get a laugh every now and then with some of the ridiculous things we come up with to make him comfortable. The cat must think we're nuts. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli Lynne, Please check with another vet re the interferon. Vets have very different ideas on how and when to use it. Second opinions don't hurt anything. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Lynne wrote: El, I am too new to this to give advice but I am sure you will be receiving many replies shortly by many knowledgeable people on this group. It sounds to me that you are doing every thing possible for these animals that can benefit them. The fact that your girl is around 8 years old may be an encouraging sign. Maybe the antibiotics are contributing to her diarrhea? and it is a temporary thing? I can't imagine what more you can do for her. She obviously seems happy which is a really important thing and of course it is necessary to keep yours isolated from the others. You'll need to ask your vet about the interferon. It could be useful. Apparently it has shown some favorable results. If I had that option now I would definitely try it but it's too late for my boy according to the vet. Sorry I can't be of help, I so admire you for what you have done for these animals. I'm sure others will come forward as soon as they see your email. Best of luck Lynne - Original Message - From: whocares whocares To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine. Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted. Thanks El --
Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli
It is so hard. I hope you have the luck I have had with Dixie. If you need to just vent and can figure out how to email me directly, please feel free. Again, don't let your frustration, anger, grief and all those other very understandable emotions, emotions we have all felt, cheat you of all the wonderful time you have with him. The time may be long or short but it is a very special time for you all. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Lynne wrote: The new one today said we'd talk about it again after we got his cytology report back Marylyn. His primary care giver was the one who told my husband it would do him no good now. We aren't giving up on anything where this boy is concerned. This has just been a bad day for me. They took fluid from both sides of his chest today and he's lost a pound in less than a week. That may have been the fluid. He looks kind of pitiful with big chunks of his hair shaved away on both sides. I'm very upbeat when I go upstairs to see him but I'm near tears the rest of the time. I still don't think I have accepted this. Tomorrow will be another day, however. We did raise his dish today, actually just put it on a book and it just seems more comfortable for him to eat that way. Bob and I do manage to get a laugh every now and then with some of the ridiculous things we come up with to make him comfortable. The cat must think we're nuts. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli Lynne, Please check with another vet re the interferon. Vets have very different ideas on how and when to use it. Second opinions don't hurt anything. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Lynne wrote: El, I am too new to this to give advice but I am sure you will be receiving many replies shortly by many knowledgeable people on this group. It sounds to me that you are doing every thing possible for these animals that can benefit them. The fact that your girl is around 8 years old may be an encouraging sign. Maybe the antibiotics are contributing to her diarrhea? and it is a temporary thing? I can't imagine what more you can do for her. She obviously seems happy which is a really important thing and of course it is necessary to keep yours isolated from the others. You'll need to ask your vet about the interferon. It could be useful. Apparently it has shown some favorable results. If I had that option now I would definitely try it but it's too late for my boy according to the vet. Sorry I can't be of help, I so admire you for what you have done for these animals. I'm sure others will come forward as soon as they see your email. Best of luck Lynne - Original Message - From: whocares whocares To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend it and how much should I give her? She's tiny and fragile - 4 - 5 lbs now. Do you recommend Interferon? What else can I give her? She is isolated in a very large sunny warm bathroom and very happy and very active (even a bit hyper). She has gone from NASTY cat in the beginning to sweet cuddly lap cat now. Two of the others have been tested (awaiting results) and the other 4 will have blood panels this week. Some of these new cats are isolated together and some are isolated alone. My own cats and other permanent fosters I have are fragile and don't get vaxed - can't due to auto immune diseases, severe HCM, vaccinosis, etc. so the new ones have no contact with mine. Any and all suggestions, advice would be gratefully accepted. Thanks El
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Thanl you Marylyn. I sometimes feel I am being a big whiner here. So many of you have dealt with far worse issues than I have and I do need to give my self a reality check and just get on with the living part. At this very point in time I simply cannot envision not having him around. I know this will not have a happy ending but I will do everything I can to make his life peaceful and enjoyable. We both just love him to pieces. - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:05 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli It is so hard. I hope you have the luck I have had with Dixie. If you need to just vent and can figure out how to email me directly, please feel free. Again, don't let your frustration, anger, grief and all those other very understandable emotions, emotions we have all felt, cheat you of all the wonderful time you have with him. The time may be long or short but it is a very special time for you all. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Lynne wrote: The new one today said we'd talk about it again after we got his cytology report back Marylyn. His primary care giver was the one who told my husband it would do him no good now. We aren't giving up on anything where this boy is concerned. This has just been a bad day for me. They took fluid from both sides of his chest today and he's lost a pound in less than a week. That may have been the fluid. He looks kind of pitiful with big chunks of his hair shaved away on both sides. I'm very upbeat when I go upstairs to see him but I'm near tears the rest of the time. I still don't think I have accepted this. Tomorrow will be another day, however. We did raise his dish today, actually just put it on a book and it just seems more comfortable for him to eat that way. Bob and I do manage to get a laugh every now and then with some of the ridiculous things we come up with to make him comfortable. The cat must think we're nuts. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli Lynne, Please check with another vet re the interferon. Vets have very different ideas on how and when to use it. Second opinions don't hurt anything. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Lynne wrote: El, I am too new to this to give advice but I am sure you will be receiving many replies shortly by many knowledgeable people on this group. It sounds to me that you are doing every thing possible for these animals that can benefit them. The fact that your girl is around 8 years old may be an encouraging sign. Maybe the antibiotics are contributing to her diarrhea? and it is a temporary thing? I can't imagine what more you can do for her. She obviously seems happy which is a really important thing and of course it is necessary to keep yours isolated from the others. You'll need to ask your vet about the interferon. It could be useful. Apparently it has shown some favorable results. If I had that option now I would definitely try it but it's too late for my boy according to the vet. Sorry I can't be of help, I so admire you for what you have done for these animals. I'm sure others will come forward as soon as they see your email. Best of luck Lynne - Original Message - From: whocares whocares To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I have her on probiotics and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I have Collostrum. Do you recommend
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We start dying the minute we are born. I learned this very hard lesson from the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and Dixie re-enforces it. Maybe it is your turn to learn. Cats are wonderful teachers. On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:14 PM, Lynne wrote: Thanl you Marylyn. I sometimes feel I am being a big whiner here. So many of you have dealt with far worse issues than I have and I do need to give my self a reality check and just get on with the living part. At this very point in time I simply cannot envision not having him around. I know this will not have a happy ending but I will do everything I can to make his life peaceful and enjoyable. We both just love him to pieces. - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:05 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli It is so hard. I hope you have the luck I have had with Dixie. If you need to just vent and can figure out how to email me directly, please feel free. Again, don't let your frustration, anger, grief and all those other very understandable emotions, emotions we have all felt, cheat you of all the wonderful time you have with him. The time may be long or short but it is a very special time for you all. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Lynne wrote: The new one today said we'd talk about it again after we got his cytology report back Marylyn. His primary care giver was the one who told my husband it would do him no good now. We aren't giving up on anything where this boy is concerned. This has just been a bad day for me. They took fluid from both sides of his chest today and he's lost a pound in less than a week. That may have been the fluid. He looks kind of pitiful with big chunks of his hair shaved away on both sides. I'm very upbeat when I go upstairs to see him but I'm near tears the rest of the time. I still don't think I have accepted this. Tomorrow will be another day, however. We did raise his dish today, actually just put it on a book and it just seems more comfortable for him to eat that way. Bob and I do manage to get a laugh every now and then with some of the ridiculous things we come up with to make him comfortable. The cat must think we're nuts. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli Lynne, Please check with another vet re the interferon. Vets have very different ideas on how and when to use it. Second opinions don't hurt anything. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Lynne wrote: El, I am too new to this to give advice but I am sure you will be receiving many replies shortly by many knowledgeable people on this group. It sounds to me that you are doing every thing possible for these animals that can benefit them. The fact that your girl is around 8 years old may be an encouraging sign. Maybe the antibiotics are contributing to her diarrhea? and it is a temporary thing? I can't imagine what more you can do for her. She obviously seems happy which is a really important thing and of course it is necessary to keep yours isolated from the others. You'll need to ask your vet about the interferon. It could be useful. Apparently it has shown some favorable results. If I had that option now I would definitely try it but it's too late for my boy according to the vet. Sorry I can't be of help, I so admire you for what you have done for these animals. I'm sure others will come forward as soon as they see your email. Best of luck Lynne - Original Message - From: whocares whocares To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had severe gingivitis - very infected teeth that had to be dealt quickly. She survived the anaesthetic and had all except 4 teeth removed (her canines were sticking sideways out of her mouth they were so infected). She had a blood panel done and she tested positive for FeLV. Her other levels correlate with the positive diagnosis. She may be up to 8 yrs old? She has a severe URI which is improving. However, she has terrible diahrea. She is on a daily injectable antibiotic combo and also gets injectable B12 and injectable B complex. I
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it sounds awful until you think about it, but sometimes the very best thing we can do--for anyone and anything--is just love them to death. may be hours, may be decades. but pure love never hurts the giver or the recipient. as marylyn says, they come to teach us what we need to learn--and they come to us because they know that there is something that ONLY WE CAN GIVE THEM to continue their journey. you're in each others' lives for a reason MC On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We start dying the minute we are born. I learned this very hard lesson from the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and Dixie re-enforces it. Maybe it is your turn to learn. Cats are wonderful teachers. On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:14 PM, Lynne wrote: Thanl you Marylyn. I sometimes feel I am being a big whiner here. So many of you have dealt with far worse issues than I have and I do need to give my self a reality check and just get on with the living part. At this very point in time I simply cannot envision not having him around. I know this will not have a happy ending but I will do everything I can to make his life peaceful and enjoyable. We both just love him to pieces. - Original Message - *From:* Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:05 PM *Subject:* Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli It is so hard. I hope you have the luck I have had with Dixie. If you need to just vent and can figure out how to email me directly, please feel free. Again, don't let your frustration, anger, grief and all those other very understandable emotions, emotions we have all felt, cheat you of all the wonderful time you have with him. The time may be long or short but it is a very special time for you all. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Lynne wrote: The new one today said we'd talk about it again after we got his cytology report back Marylyn. His primary care giver was the one who told my husband it would do him no good now. We aren't giving up on anything where this boy is concerned. This has just been a bad day for me. They took fluid from both sides of his chest today and he's lost a pound in less than a week. That may have been the fluid. He looks kind of pitiful with big chunks of his hair shaved away on both sides. I'm very upbeat when I go upstairs to see him but I'm near tears the rest of the time. I still don't think I have accepted this. Tomorrow will be another day, however. We did raise his dish today, actually just put it on a book and it just seems more comfortable for him to eat that way. Bob and I do manage to get a laugh every now and then with some of the ridiculous things we come up with to make him comfortable. The cat must think we're nuts. Lynne - Original Message - *From:* Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:45 PM *Subject:* Re: new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli Lynne, Please check with another vet re the interferon. Vets have very different ideas on how and when to use it. Second opinions don't hurt anything. On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Lynne wrote: El, I am too new to this to give advice but I am sure you will be receiving many replies shortly by many knowledgeable people on this group. It sounds to me that you are doing every thing possible for these animals that can benefit them. The fact that your girl is around 8 years old may be an encouraging sign. Maybe the antibiotics are contributing to her diarrhea? and it is a temporary thing? I can't imagine what more you can do for her. She obviously seems happy which is a really important thing and of course it is necessary to keep yours isolated from the others. You'll need to ask your vet about the interferon. It could be useful. Apparently it has shown some favorable results. If I had that option now I would definitely try it but it's too late for my boy according to the vet. Sorry I can't be of help, I so admire you for what you have done for these animals. I'm sure others will come forward as soon as they see your email. Best of luck Lynne - Original Message - *From:* whocares whocares [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:05 PM *Subject:* new member with FeLV+ foster kitty Milli To:[EMAIL PROTECTED], This is my first post so please bear with me. I'm posting this through email. If there's a more efficient way please let me know. 2 weeks ago I took in 7 filthy, reeking, matted, very, very ill cats from a horrific shelter in the area. All were emaciated, dehydrated, infected eyes, URI's, ear mites/infections, severe diahrea, etc.. My vet didn't think they'd make it through the first night but here they are getting healthier by the day. Some still need injectable antibiotic combos daily but they are improving. One of these had
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My positive is 9 years old! Welcome to the list. tonya Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. I just joined this list after doing all the reading I possibly could find on feline leukemia. I recently acquired a Himalayan male cat around 5 to 6 years of age from a rather unscrupulous family. I was familiar with the cat because all summer he would come over to our house and hang around, mostly wanting attention and something to eat. Recently I discovered he was on a buy and sell site and immediately called the owners desparate to purchase him. Knowing who I am the price went from 150 to 300 within a couple minutes. Anyway, my husband and I had grown to love this little guy and just wanted him to have a good home. Yesterday we took him to the vet where he was groomed, shaved of all the horrible matting under his chest and legs, deflead and treated for a terrible case of earmites. We no sooner got home than the vet called to tell us he had tested positive for feline leukemia and wanted to know how much we had bonded with him and our options. After what seemed like hours of crying I decided we were going to keep him as long as he stayed healthy which he is now. This weekend he is going to be neutered, strongly advised by the vet. This will be strictly a housecat. He's adjusted very well and is adorable. I'm just curious. Does he have a chance at a longer life than I've been lead to believe he has. I'm hearing a couple of years and I just cannot accept this as fact. Lynne
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Hi Lynne. Thanks for taking in this baby and doing all that you have for him. I think that's great. Definitely keep him if he is asymptomatic right now. Any vet that recommends a cat that has tested positive for Felv ONE TIME and is asymptomatic is a quack (in my opinion). The veterinary profession has come a long way in extending the lives of these cats and any vet that does not recognize that is not up on his/her research. There can be false positives with these tests, so it is recommended he be retested again in 6 months. Please see my other recent post regarding Buzz b/c it has a lot of the same information about retesting. In addition, if you are going to keep him, you should look for a vet that is committed to proactively treating asymptomatic Felv cats. Do your research. Vet hop if you have to, but it is worth it to screen and to find the right vet who regularly treats Felv+ cats, is up on the research and will work with you to extend the cat's life. There are many immune boosting things you can do yourself now to help your cat. Also, a high quality diet is key. There is an online group that is devoted to the discussion of a high quality diet for cats (especially cats with immune disorders) and I recommend you join it. I am somewhat up on the research of the importance of diet, but not near as much as these people. I will get the website address and post it here in a few. Keep in mind that no one can tell you how long your cat will live. There are so many variables and because of that, it is ALWAYS worth trying- especially when they are asymptomatic. Please read thru the archives b/c many people have asked this very same question and the answers are always the same-- we don't know, but it's worth a try. Especially if you start proactively working to make him comfortable, reduce his stress (very key) and boost his immune system, there really is no limit to where he can go. One of my vets had an Felv cat live to be 12 and then she died of something completely unrelated- she never even became symptomatic and never even suffered from the Felv. So there are success stories out there like that. And remember, all cats will die. It sucks. They will almost always leave us before we are ready and no cat will ever live to be 30 yo! So from the minute we take them in and start to love them, their time with us is limited and all we can do in the meantime is shower them with love and affection and give them the best life possible. caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: new catDate: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:54:13 -0500 Hi all. I just joined this list after doing all the reading I possibly could find on feline leukemia. I recently acquired a Himalayan male cat around 5 to 6 years of age from a rather unscrupulous family. I was familiar with the cat because all summer he would come over to our house and hang around, mostly wanting attention and something to eat. Recently I discovered he was on a buy and sell site and immediately called the owners desparate to purchase him. Knowing who I am the price went from 150 to 300 within a couple minutes. Anyway, my husband and I had grown to love this little guy and just wanted him to have a good home. Yesterday we took him to the vet where he was groomed, shaved of all the horrible matting under his chest and legs, deflead and treated for a terrible case of earmites. We no sooner got home than the vet called to tell us he had tested positive for feline leukemia and wanted to know how much we had bonded with him and our options. After what seemed like hours of crying I decided we were going to keep him as long as he stayed healthy which he is now. This weekend he is going to be neutered, strongly advised by the vet. This will be strictly a housecat. He's adjusted very well and is adorable. I'm just curious. Does he have a chance at a longer life than I've been lead to believe he has. I'm hearing a couple of years and I just cannot accept this as fact. Lynne _ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your fix. http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx
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Thank you Caroline. You make a very good point. I do intend to have him retested in a few months. I work in the medical field and am somewhat familiar with false positives and inadequate testing. I'm not gonna let one simple test decide that he has this disease. However, even if he does have it, it matters not one bit. He's here to stay. We absolutely love him to pieces, even the 19 year old is accepting him which I was worried about because Lennie has never had another cat in the house. We've only ever had 2 feline pets and both have reached 19 so the thought of BooBoo not making it to a ripe old age came as a bit of a blow to me. I know it shouldn't but we treat our cats like little gods. I'm going to keep on reading and educating myself about this and do the best I can with the situation. Lynne - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 12:13 PM Subject: RE: new cat Hi Lynne. Thanks for taking in this baby and doing all that you have for him. I think that's great. Definitely keep him if he is asymptomatic right now. Any vet that recommends a cat that has tested positive for Felv ONE TIME and is asymptomatic is a quack (in my opinion). The veterinary profession has come a long way in extending the lives of these cats and any vet that does not recognize that is not up on his/her research. There can be false positives with these tests, so it is recommended he be retested again in 6 months. Please see my other recent post regarding Buzz b/c it has a lot of the same information about retesting. In addition, if you are going to keep him, you should look for a vet that is committed to proactively treating asymptomatic Felv cats. Do your research. Vet hop if you have to, but it is worth it to screen and to find the right vet who regularly treats Felv+ cats, is up on the research and will work with you to extend the cat's life. There are many immune boosting things you can do yourself now to help your cat. Also, a high quality diet is key. There is an online group that is devoted to the discussion of a high quality diet for cats (especially cats with immune disorders) and I recommend you join it. I am somewhat up on the research of the importance of diet, but not near as much as these people. I will get the website address and post it here in a few. Keep in mind that no one can tell you how long your cat will live. There are so many variables and because of that, it is ALWAYS worth trying- especially when they are asymptomatic. Please read thru the archives b/c many people have asked this very same question and the answers are always the same-- we don't know, but it's worth a try. Especially if you start proactively working to make him comfortable, reduce his stress (very key) and boost his immune system, there really is no limit to where he can go. One of my vets had an Felv cat live to be 12 and then she died of something completely unrelated- she never even became symptomatic and never even suffered from the Felv. So there are success stories out there like that. And remember, all cats will die. It sucks. They will almost always leave us before we are ready and no cat will ever live to be 30 yo! So from the minute we take them in and start to love them, their time with us is limited and all we can do in the meantime is shower them with love and affection and give them the best life possible. caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: new cat Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:54:13 -0500 Hi all. I just joined this list after doing all the reading I possibly could find on feline leukemia. I recently acquired a Himalayan male cat around 5 to 6 years of age from a rather unscrupulous family. I was familiar with the cat because all summer he would come over to our house and hang around, mostly wanting attention and something to eat. Recently I discovered he was on a buy and sell site and immediately called the owners desparate to purchase him. Knowing who I am the price went from 150 to 300 within a couple minutes. Anyway, my husband and I had grown to love this little guy and just wanted him to have a good home. Yesterday we took him to the vet where he was groomed, shaved of all the horrible matting under his chest and legs, deflead and treated for a terrible case of earmites. We no sooner got home than the vet called to tell us he had tested positive for feline leukemia and wanted to know how much we had bonded with him and our options. After what seemed like hours of crying I decided we were going to keep him as long as he stayed healthy which he is now. This weekend he is going to be neutered, strongly advised by the vet. This will be strictly a housecat. He's
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That's great! Your medical training will come in very handy then because this virus is such a virus in the true sense of the term. That's how my Monkee could present as absolutely healthy for 4 years (not even a UTI or upper respiratory infection!- nothing) and then suddenly be struck down with symptoms when the virus became active. We've only had one cat (no felv or anything) make it to 19 and we thought we were really something special! But 2, wow! Yes, I was the same way when I took Monkee in at the end of law school-- my mom still had the 3 kittens from a litter from a stray that were born when I was ten years old living at home with her at the time. They were of course all geriatric and driving my mom crazy because she thought it was time about every other day! So I was used to cats living to be 17, 18 and 19! The good thing is that after 2 of them finally passed relatively close together and we were left with admittedly, my favorite of the litter- Rambo- alone for the first time in his life at age 17, I rescued an unspayed 1 yo white cat and dumped her on my mom (b/c I had Monkee and couldn't take her in). At first, it was a little weird between them- the 1 yo and the old man- but eventually they came to love each other in their own odd little way and my mom and I swear up and down that we got two more quality years out of Rambo b/c we brought him this kitten! So there is something to be said for a younger cat infusing life into an older one, even if it's accomplished begrudgingly! caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: new catDate: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 15:14:25 -0500 Thank you Caroline. You make a very good point. I do intend to have him retested in a few months. I work in the medical field and am somewhat familiar with false positives and inadequate testing. I'm not gonna let one simple test decide that he has this disease. However, even if he does have it, it matters not one bit. He's here to stay. We absolutely love him to pieces, even the 19 year old is accepting him which I was worried about because Lennie has never had another cat in the house. We've only ever had 2 feline pets and both have reached 19 so the thought of BooBoo not making it to a ripe old age came as a bit of a blow to me. I know it shouldn't but we treat our cats like little gods. I'm going to keep on reading and educating myself about this and do the best I can with the situation. Lynne - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 12:13 PM Subject: RE: new cat Hi Lynne. Thanks for taking in this baby and doing all that you have for him. I think that's great. Definitely keep him if he is asymptomatic right now. Any vet that recommends a cat that has tested positive for Felv ONE TIME and is asymptomatic is a quack (in my opinion). The veterinary profession has come a long way in extending the lives of these cats and any vet that does not recognize that is not up on his/her research. There can be false positives with these tests, so it is recommended he be retested again in 6 months. Please see my other recent post regarding Buzz b/c it has a lot of the same information about retesting. In addition, if you are going to keep him, you should look for a vet that is committed to proactively treating asymptomatic Felv cats. Do your research. Vet hop if you have to, but it is worth it to screen and to find the right vet who regularly treats Felv+ cats, is up on the research and will work with you to extend the cat's life. There are many immune boosting things you can do yourself now to help your cat. Also, a high quality diet is key. There is an online group that is devoted to the discussion of a high quality diet for cats (especially cats with immune disorders) and I recommend you join it. I am somewhat up on the research of the importance of diet, but not near as much as these people. I will get the website address and post it here in a few. Keep in mind that no one can tell you how long your cat will live. There are so many variables and because of that, it is ALWAYS worth trying- especially when they are asymptomatic. Please read thru the archives b/c many people have asked this very same question and the answers are always the same-- we don't know, but it's worth a try. Especially if you start proactively working to make him comfortable, reduce his stress (very key) and boost his immune system, there really is no limit to where he can go. One of my vets had an Felv cat live to be 12 and then she died of something completely unrelated- she never even became symptomatic and never even suffered from the Felv. So there are success stories out there like that. And remember, all cats will die. It sucks. They will almost always leave us before we are ready and no cat will ever live to be 30 yo! So from the minute we take them
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Your comment I know it shouldn't but we treat our cats like little gods. made me smile Lynne. I'm completely shameless about treating mine like little gods and goddesses. As long as they're not too mean to each other, and don't run the risk of harming themselves, I pretty well let em get away with murder. The way I see it, they don't ever have to go out in the world and get on with other people so it's ok to spoil em rotten! Thank you for giving BooBoo the wonderful forever home he deserves. These people are unscrupulous indeed--and worse. (I don't normally approve of capital punishment but when I hear stories like this) Wishing you and BooBoo many happy years together! Kerry _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: new cat Thank you Caroline. You make a very good point. I do intend to have him retested in a few months. I work in the medical field and am somewhat familiar with false positives and inadequate testing. I'm not gonna let one simple test decide that he has this disease. However, even if he does have it, it matters not one bit. He's here to stay. We absolutely love him to pieces, even the 19 year old is accepting him which I was worried about because Lennie has never had another cat in the house. We've only ever had 2 feline pets and both have reached 19 so the thought of BooBoo not making it to a ripe old age came as a bit of a blow to me. I know it shouldn't but we treat our cats like little gods. I'm going to keep on reading and educating myself about this and do the best I can with the situation. Lynne - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 12:13 PM Subject: RE: new cat Hi Lynne. Thanks for taking in this baby and doing all that you have for him. I think that's great. Definitely keep him if he is asymptomatic right now. Any vet that recommends a cat that has tested positive for Felv ONE TIME and is asymptomatic is a quack (in my opinion). The veterinary profession has come a long way in extending the lives of these cats and any vet that does not recognize that is not up on his/her research. There can be false positives with these tests, so it is recommended he be retested again in 6 months. Please see my other recent post regarding Buzz b/c it has a lot of the same information about retesting. In addition, if you are going to keep him, you should look for a vet that is committed to proactively treating asymptomatic Felv cats. Do your research. Vet hop if you have to, but it is worth it to screen and to find the right vet who regularly treats Felv+ cats, is up on the research and will work with you to extend the cat's life. There are many immune boosting things you can do yourself now to help your cat. Also, a high quality diet is key. There is an online group that is devoted to the discussion of a high quality diet for cats (especially cats with immune disorders) and I recommend you join it. I am somewhat up on the research of the importance of diet, but not near as much as these people. I will get the website address and post it here in a few. Keep in mind that no one can tell you how long your cat will live. There are so many variables and because of that, it is ALWAYS worth trying- especially when they are asymptomatic. Please read thru the archives b/c many people have asked this very same question and the answers are always the same-- we don't know, but it's worth a try. Especially if you start proactively working to make him comfortable, reduce his stress (very key) and boost his immune system, there really is no limit to where he can go. One of my vets had an Felv cat live to be 12 and then she died of something completely unrelated- she never even became symptomatic and never even suffered from the Felv. So there are success stories out there like that. And remember, all cats will die. It sucks. They will almost always leave us before we are ready and no cat will ever live to be 30 yo! So from the minute we take them in and start to love them, their time with us is limited and all we can do in the meantime is shower them with love and affection and give them the best life possible. caroline _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: new cat Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:54:13 -0500 Hi all. I just joined this list after doing all the reading I possibly could find on feline leukemia. I recently acquired a Himalayan male cat around 5 to 6 years of age from a rather unscrupulous family. I was familiar
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Lynne - I adopted a new kitty last July. Mandy also tested positive for leukemia. I loved her immediately so I never considered anything but keeping her. She is thriving. I feed her Wellness canned food (mixing in some lysine and Missing Link) and Nutro dry food. She is more than six years old and you would never know she is anything but perfectly healthy. She eats like a small horse, plays most of the day and loves me. Hopefully you will have the same experience. Pat - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 6:54 PM Subject: new cat Hi all. I just joined this list after doing all the reading I possibly could find on feline leukemia. I recently acquired a Himalayan male cat around 5 to 6 years of age from a rather unscrupulous family. I was familiar with the cat because all summer he would come over to our house and hang around, mostly wanting attention and something to eat. Recently I discovered he was on a buy and sell site and immediately called the owners desparate to purchase him. Knowing who I am the price went from 150 to 300 within a couple minutes. Anyway, my husband and I had grown to love this little guy and just wanted him to have a good home. Yesterday we took him to the vet where he was groomed, shaved of all the horrible matting under his chest and legs, deflead and treated for a terrible case of earmites. We no sooner got home than the vet called to tell us he had tested positive for feline leukemia and wanted to know how much we had bonded with him and our options. After what seemed like hours of crying I decided we were going to keep him as long as he stayed healthy which he is now. This weekend he is going to be neutered, strongly advised by the vet. This will be strictly a housecat. He's adjusted very well and is adorable. I'm just curious. Does he have a chance at a longer life than I've been lead to believe he has. I'm hearing a couple of years and I just cannot accept this as fact. Lynne
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Hi Lynne The rough numbers say 2/3's will be gone in 2 years... That leaves 1/3 that will make it past 2 years and they will commonly live to 8 years or longer... Tad Lynne wrote: Hi all. I just joined this list after doing all the reading I possibly could find on feline leukemia. I recently acquired a Himalayan male cat around 5 to 6 years of age from a rather unscrupulous family. I was familiar with the cat because all summer he would come over to our house and hang around, mostly wanting attention and something to eat. Recently I discovered he was on a buy and sell site and immediately called the owners desparate to purchase him. Knowing who I am the price went from 150 to 300 within a couple minutes. Anyway, my husband and I had grown to love this little guy and just wanted him to have a good home. Yesterday we took him to the vet where he was groomed, shaved of all the horrible matting under his chest and legs, deflead and treated for a terrible case of earmites. We no sooner got home than the vet called to tell us he had tested positive for feline leukemia and wanted to know how much we had bonded with him and our options. After what seemed like hours of crying I decided we were going to keep him as long as he stayed healthy which he is now. This weekend he is going to be neutered, strongly advised by the vet. This will be strictly a housecat. He's adjusted very well and is adorable. I'm just curious. Does he have a chance at a longer life than I've been lead to believe he has. I'm hearing a couple of years and I just cannot accept this as fact. Lynne
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Thanks for the encouraging news about your Mandy Pat. We're still trying to modify our boy's diet. I bought this food called Medi-Cal hypoallergenic diet from the vets because he was having diarrhea and terrible gas. He finally had a solid bowel movement yesterday and seems to like the food but his favorite seems to be tuna and salmon, the human stuff. He's really loveable and seemingly fine health wise so we're just gonna make sure he's well taken care of and given lots of love and attention. Lynne - Original Message - From: Pat Kachur To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: Re: new cat Lynne - I adopted a new kitty last July. Mandy also tested positive for leukemia. I loved her immediately so I never considered anything but keeping her. She is thriving. I feed her Wellness canned food (mixing in some lysine and Missing Link) and Nutro dry food. She is more than six years old and you would never know she is anything but perfectly healthy. She eats like a small horse, plays most of the day and loves me. Hopefully you will have the same experience. Pat
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Well that's happy news Tad Since our cat is between 4 to 6 and well, maybe he'll be around for a good length of time. Lynne - Original Message - From: Tad Burnett To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 7:41 PM Subject: Re: new cat Hi Lynne The rough numbers say 2/3's will be gone in 2 years... That leaves 1/3 that will make it past 2 years and they will commonly live to 8 years or longer... Tad Lynne wrote: Hi all. I just joined this list after doing all the reading I possibly could find on feline leukemia. I recently acquired a Himalayan male cat around 5 to 6 years of age from a rather unscrupulous family. I was familiar with the cat because all summer he would come over to our house and hang around, mostly wanting attention and something to eat. Recently I discovered he was on a buy and sell site and immediately called the owners desparate to purchase him. Knowing who I am the price went from 150 to 300 within a couple minutes. Anyway, my husband and I had grown to love this little guy and just wanted him to have a good home. Yesterday we took him to the vet where he was groomed, shaved of all the horrible matting under his chest and legs, deflead and treated for a terrible case of earmites. We no sooner got home than the vet called to tell us he had tested positive for feline leukemia and wanted to know how much we had bonded with him and our options. After what seemed like hours of crying I decided we were going to keep him as long as he stayed healthy which he is now. This weekend he is going to be neutered, strongly advised by the vet. This will be strictly a housecat. He's adjusted very well and is adorable. I'm just curious. Does he have a chance at a longer life than I've been lead to believe he has. I'm hearing a couple of years and I just cannot accept this as fact. Lynne
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Lynne Have one FELV+ who will be 10 years next month. She's a hefty 18 lbs and the only problem (other than overeating!) she's had is a few episodes of very low white blood count. Vet got the count up pretty quickly with immuno-regulin. My other FELV+, Romeo, is probably a year or so younger-he's a stray I fed outside for a couple of years before bringing him in. He's only had some gum problems which though fairly easy to treat, for him is a bit tough as its difficult to pill him. I feed them Wellness wet food with a very little bit of Iams dry food. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) http://www.findkpets.org www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 6:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: new cat Hi all. I just joined this list after doing all the reading I possibly could find on feline leukemia. I recently acquired a Himalayan male cat around 5 to 6 years of age from a rather unscrupulous family. I was familiar with the cat because all summer he would come over to our house and hang around, mostly wanting attention and something to eat. Recently I discovered he was on a buy and sell site and immediately called the owners desparate to purchase him. Knowing who I am the price went from 150 to 300 within a couple minutes. Anyway, my husband and I had grown to love this little guy and just wanted him to have a good home. Yesterday we took him to the vet where he was groomed, shaved of all the horrible matting under his chest and legs, deflead and treated for a terrible case of earmites. We no sooner got home than the vet called to tell us he had tested positive for feline leukemia and wanted to know how much we had bonded with him and our options. After what seemed like hours of crying I decided we were going to keep him as long as he stayed healthy which he is now. This weekend he is going to be neutered, strongly advised by the vet. This will be strictly a housecat. He's adjusted very well and is adorable. I'm just curious. Does he have a chance at a longer life than I've been lead to believe he has. I'm hearing a couple of years and I just cannot accept this as fact. Lynne
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Dixie came into my life as a throw-away who showed up at my mother's. I liked her and took her to my vet several months later to have her spayed, intending to take her to my farm as a barn cat. He tested her (she was still nameless) and she was FELV+. He explained the options and was very relieved when I took all of them off the table. Dixie stayed in a garage for a while then moved up to being a house trailer cat and now lives on the farm as the Junior Partner in the firm of Person and Cat with her own bedroom (as well as run of one floor of the house---I'm building and the basement is not safe yet), a 10 x 10 x 6 foot kennel with a topper for good weather, etc...no, she is not spoiled. She spoils me with all the love and joy she has given me. She came into my life about 3 years ago and is extremely healthy. She has been retested a couple of times then I got tired of itit simply doesn't matter what the results are. She eats a very good diet with no grains and extra veggies providing lots of Vitamin A and C, raw as well as processed meats, and various supplements as feels right at the time. Colostrum, various homeopathic supplements, Interfreon, Petz Life Brush Away.I, too, came to this list with questions. Dixie and I realize that life is not a certain thing and I am accepting the fact that no one knows when or how they are living. Concentrating on when a loved one may leave ---it doesn't' matter how many legs, how healthy or sickly they appear, or what the doctors/vets say. We are all dying and start dying the day we are born. Dwelling on that or the length of life only destroys the wonderful time you can have together. Dixie is a totally perfect cat. She travels wonderfully, adjusts to everything including the constant construction at her home, and is a wonderful hunter and friend. She came into my life a little over 3 years ago and, this June, is the anniversary of her person owning life. She may or may not get sick.we'll deal with that when and if it happens. After all, we all decline in health. She is very healthy and happy now and that is what matters. Yes. Your friend can live much longer or die suddenly from something totally unrelated to FeLV+. You can do the same. Enjoy the wonderful time you have together. Everyday I celebrate Dixie's life. Oh, yes...had she not tested positive she would have been a barn/ porch cat. Now she owns the house. And my heart. On Feb 5, 2008, at 5:54 PM, Lynne wrote Hi all. I just joined this list after doing all the reading I possibly could find on feline leukemia. I recently acquired a Himalayan male cat around 5 to 6 years of age from a rather unscrupulous family. I was familiar with the cat because all summer he would come over to our house and hang around, mostly wanting attention and something to eat. Recently I discovered he was on a buy and sell site and immediately called the owners desperate to purchase him. Knowing who I am the price went from 150 to 300 within a couple minutes. Anyway, my husband and I had grown to love this little guy and just wanted him to have a good home. Yesterday we took him to the vet where he was groomed, shaved of all the horrible matting under his chest and legs, deflead and treated for a terrible case of earmites. We no sooner got home than the vet called to tell us he had tested positive for feline leukemia and wanted to know how much we had bonded with him and our options. After what seemed like hours of crying I decided we were going to keep him as long as he stayed healthy which he is now. This weekend he is going to be neutered, strongly advised by the vet. This will be strictly a housecat. He's adjusted very well and is adorable. I'm just curious. Does he have a chance at a longer life than I've been lead to believe he has. I'm hearing a couple of years and I just cannot accept this as fact. Lynne
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Hi Lynne I've found that feeding the best quality food possible, finding the right supplements to boost immunity and a stress free and loving environment does wonders. You might want to get him on supplements to support his immune system before and after his surgery (neutering). There is a lot of information in the archives as well. We've all experienced the horrible shock and grief that a FeLV diagnosis brings, but have learned that these kitties are always very special and have taught many of us lessons in gratitude and living in the moment. There are many knowledgeable people on the list to help you. Welcome! Jane On Feb 5, 2008, at 7:47 PM, Lynne wrote: Well that's happy news Tad Since our cat is between 4 to 6 and well, maybe he'll be around for a good length of time. Lynne - Original Message - From: Tad Burnett To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 7:41 PM Subject: Re: new cat Hi Lynne The rough numbers say 2/3's will be gone in 2 years... That leaves 1/3 that will make it past 2 years and they will commonly live to 8 years or longer... Tad Lynne wrote: Hi all. I just joined this list after doing all the reading I possibly could find on feline leukemia. I recently acquired a Himalayan male cat around 5 to 6 years of age from a rather unscrupulous family. I was familiar with the cat because all summer he would come over to our house and hang around, mostly wanting attention and something to eat. Recently I discovered he was on a buy and sell site and immediately called the owners desparate to purchase him. Knowing who I am the price went from 150 to 300 within a couple minutes. Anyway, my husband and I had grown to love this little guy and just wanted him to have a good home. Yesterday we took him to the vet where he was groomed, shaved of all the horrible matting under his chest and legs, deflead and treated for a terrible case of earmites. We no sooner got home than the vet called to tell us he had tested positive for feline leukemia and wanted to know how much we had bonded with him and our options. After what seemed like hours of crying I decided we were going to keep him as long as he stayed healthy which he is now. This weekend he is going to be neutered, strongly advised by the vet. This will be strictly a housecat. He's adjusted very well and is adorable. I'm just curious. Does he have a chance at a longer life than I've been lead to believe he has. I'm hearing a couple of years and I just cannot accept this as fact. Lynne
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Thank you Jane. BooBoo (we didn't name him) is on a good diet now and seemingly in very good health and I think he feels really well having had a conditioning bath and grooming. I think the little guy is clean for the first time in his life. I talked to the vet about supplements and he didn't feel they were necessary at this time but I want him to have his blood checked periodically to make sure everything is ok. As for neutering, our vet wants to do it ASAP. I do trust this guy. We have a Maine Coon who is 19 years old and on thyroid medication now and doing really well so I believe this vet who has taken care of him. He tells me that neutered males have less chance of developing prostate cancer and his urine won't smell as strong as it does now. BooBoo is a very clean cat but his pee does smell horribly strong. The vet said neutering should help this, something I never knew, probably because the only 2 cats we've ever owned were neutered quite young. Lynne - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:18 PM Subject: Re: new cat Hi Lynne I've found that feeding the best quality food possible, finding the right supplements to boost immunity and a stress free and loving environment does wonders. You might want to get him on supplements to support his immune system before and after his surgery (neutering). There is a lot of information in the archives as well. We've all experienced the horrible shock and grief that a FeLV diagnosis brings, but have learned that these kitties are always very special and have taught many of us lessons in gratitude and living in the moment. There are many knowledgeable people on the list to help you. Welcome! Jane On Feb 5, 2008, at 7:47 PM, Lynne wrote: Well that's happy news Tad Since our cat is between 4 to 6 and well, maybe he'll be around for a good length of time. Lynne - Original Message - From: Tad Burnett To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 7:41 PM Subject: Re: new cat Hi Lynne The rough numbers say 2/3's will be gone in 2 years... That leaves 1/3 that will make it past 2 years and they will commonly live to 8 years or longer... Tad Lynne wrote: Hi all. I just joined this list after doing all the reading I possibly could find on feline leukemia. I recently acquired a Himalayan male cat around 5 to 6 years of age from a rather unscrupulous family. I was familiar with the cat because all summer he would come over to our house and hang around, mostly wanting attention and something to eat. Recently I discovered he was on a buy and sell site and immediately called the owners desparate to purchase him. Knowing who I am the price went from 150 to 300 within a couple minutes. Anyway, my husband and I had grown to love this little guy and just wanted him to have a good home. Yesterday we took him to the vet where he was groomed, shaved of all the horrible matting under his chest and legs, deflead and treated for a terrible case of earmites. We no sooner got home than the vet called to tell us he had tested positive for feline leukemia and wanted to know how much we had bonded with him and our options. After what seemed like hours of crying I decided we were going to keep him as long as he stayed healthy which he is now. This weekend he is going to be neutered, strongly advised by the vet. This will be strictly a housecat. He's adjusted very well and is adorable. I'm just curious. Does he have a chance at a longer life than I've been lead to believe he has. I'm hearing a couple of years and I just cannot accept this as fact. Lynne
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Hi Lynn, my Squeaky and Stripes tested positive. Squeak lived a healthy life until age 22 years. Stripes was sick on and off and lived to age 16 years. This was before vets (or guardians) knew much and they VACCINATED them for this year after year. Squeaky always got sick for 3 days after being vaccinated. Anyway, have hope and give him lots of love and no stress. The neutering can stress him so make sure he's in tip top shape before you do that. Check out some of the maintenance suggestions for feline leuk positive kitties such as using interferon. Good luck and THANK-YOU for rescuing this kitty from his previous situation. Wonder if you could bring any sort of neglect charge agst the other family. That said, we don't generally press charges here as it means we have to relinquish the animal. Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 5:54 PM Subject: new cat Hi all. I just joined this list after doing all the reading I possibly could find on feline leukemia. I recently acquired a Himalayan male cat around 5 to 6 years of age from a rather unscrupulous family. I was familiar with the cat because all summer he would come over to our house and hang around, mostly wanting attention and something to eat. Recently I discovered he was on a buy and sell site and immediately called the owners desparate to purchase him. Knowing who I am the price went from 150 to 300 within a couple minutes. Anyway, my husband and I had grown to love this little guy and just wanted him to have a good home. Yesterday we took him to the vet where he was groomed, shaved of all the horrible matting under his chest and legs, deflead and treated for a terrible case of earmites. We no sooner got home than the vet called to tell us he had tested positive for feline leukemia and wanted to know how much we had bonded with him and our options. After what seemed like hours of crying I decided we were going to keep him as long as he stayed healthy which he is now. This weekend he is going to be neutered, strongly advised by the vet. This will be strictly a housecat. He's adjusted very well and is adorable. I'm just curious. Does he have a chance at a longer life than I've been lead to believe he has. I'm hearing a couple of years and I just cannot accept this as fact. Lynne
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btw we now have Isabella, a stray who kept coming for food and tested positive for feline leukemia. She had a rough time of it last summer but is doing great. Her weight has almost doubled! She has been adopted by my friend Lisa. She takes prednisone and tramadal (pain med) and Lisa gives her interferon 7 days on and 7 days off. Lis feeds Innova EVO dry. Bella loves it. She gets some canned food, too, but loves her EVO Laurie (ps the only thing I don't love about the name BooBoo is that those other people named him. I love the name!) - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 7:37 PM Subject: Re: new cat Thank you Jane. BooBoo (we didn't name him) is on a good diet now and seemingly in very good health and I think he feels really well having had a conditioning bath and grooming. I think the little guy is clean for the first time in his life. I talked to the vet about supplements and he didn't feel they were necessary at this time but I want him to have his blood checked periodically to make sure everything is ok. As for neutering, our vet wants to do it ASAP. I do trust this guy. We have a Maine Coon who is 19 years old and on thyroid medication now and doing really well so I believe this vet who has taken care of him. He tells me that neutered males have less chance of developing prostate cancer and his urine won't smell as strong as it does now. BooBoo is a very clean cat but his pee does smell horribly strong. The vet said neutering should help this, something I never knew, probably because the only 2 cats we've ever owned were neutered quite young. Lynne - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:18 PM Subject: Re: new cat Hi Lynne I've found that feeding the best quality food possible, finding the right supplements to boost immunity and a stress free and loving environment does wonders. You might want to get him on supplements to support his immune system before and after his surgery (neutering). There is a lot of information in the archives as well. We've all experienced the horrible shock and grief that a FeLV diagnosis brings, but have learned that these kitties are always very special and have taught many of us lessons in gratitude and living in the moment. There are many knowledgeable people on the list to help you. Welcome! Jane On Feb 5, 2008, at 7:47 PM, Lynne wrote: Well that's happy news Tad Since our cat is between 4 to 6 and well, maybe he'll be around for a good length of time. Lynne - Original Message - From: Tad Burnett To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 7:41 PM Subject: Re: new cat Hi Lynne The rough numbers say 2/3's will be gone in 2 years... That leaves 1/3 that will make it past 2 years and they will commonly live to 8 years or longer... Tad Lynne wrote: Hi all. I just joined this list after doing all the reading I possibly could find on feline leukemia. I recently acquired a Himalayan male cat around 5 to 6 years of age from a rather unscrupulous family. I was familiar with the cat because all summer he would come over to our house and hang around, mostly wanting attention and something to eat. Recently I discovered he was on a buy and sell site and immediately called the owners desparate to purchase him. Knowing who I am the price went from 150 to 300 within a couple minutes. Anyway, my husband and I had grown to love this little guy and just wanted him to have a good home. Yesterday we took him to the vet where he was groomed, shaved of all the horrible matting under his chest and legs, deflead and treated for a terrible case of earmites. We no sooner got home than the vet called to tell us he had tested positive for feline leukemia and wanted to know how much we had bonded with him and our options. After what seemed like hours of crying I decided we were going to keep him as long as he stayed healthy which he is now. This weekend he is going to be neutered, strongly advised by the vet. This will be strictly a housecat. He's adjusted very well and is adorable. I'm just curious. Does he have a chance at a longer life than I've been lead to believe he has. I'm hearing a couple of years and I just cannot accept this as fact. Lynne
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Thanks Laurie for this encouragement. I've become angry at the people we got the cat from only because they have still have an add on a site selling two other cats, the one is a son of my cat and the other is a female. These people don't believe in vets or neutering or spaying. They have sent me a couple nasty emails saying they didn't believe my vet's diagnosis and that the cat had always been healthy and happy and had only seen a vet once when he was ill and almost died as a kitten. They don't have a clue as to what this disease is and told me it was not transmittable and I was foolish to believe it could be fatal. Also told me there was something wrong with me not to believe in miracles. I'm dealing with some weird individuals here. Anyhow, I own him and we love him to pieces and they will never see him again. He's happy as can be here, clean, adorable and healthy. I am kind of worried about the neutering but our vet says he's very much up to it and we'll have a better cat for it, so I need to trust him. Besides, BooBoo likes the people there and travelling in the van. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 9:25 PM Subject: Re: new cat Hi Lynn, my Squeaky and Stripes tested positive. Squeak lived a healthy life until age 22 years. Stripes was sick on and off and lived to age 16 years. This was before vets (or guardians) knew much and they VACCINATED them for this year after year. Squeaky always got sick for 3 days after being vaccinated. Anyway, have hope and give him lots of love and no stress. The neutering can stress him so make sure he's in tip top shape before you do that. Check out some of the maintenance suggestions for feline leuk positive kitties such as using interferon. Good luck and THANK-YOU for rescuing this kitty from his previous situation. Wonder if you could bring any sort of neglect charge agst the other family. That said, we don't generally press charges here as it means we have to relinquish the animal. Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 5:54 PM Subject: new cat Hi all. I just joined this list after doing all the reading I possibly could find on feline leukemia. I recently acquired a Himalayan male cat around 5 to 6 years of age from a rather unscrupulous family. I was familiar with the cat because all summer he would come over to our house and hang around, mostly wanting attention and something to eat. Recently I discovered he was on a buy and sell site and immediately called the owners desparate to purchase him. Knowing who I am the price went from 150 to 300 within a couple minutes. Anyway, my husband and I had grown to love this little guy and just wanted him to have a good home. Yesterday we took him to the vet where he was groomed, shaved of all the horrible matting under his chest and legs, deflead and treated for a terrible case of earmites. We no sooner got home than the vet called to tell us he had tested positive for feline leukemia and wanted to know how much we had bonded with him and our options. After what seemed like hours of crying I decided we were going to keep him as long as he stayed healthy which he is now. This weekend he is going to be neutered, strongly advised by the vet. This will be strictly a housecat. He's adjusted very well and is adorable. I'm just curious. Does he have a chance at a longer life than I've been lead to believe he has. I'm hearing a couple of years and I just cannot accept this as fact. Lynne
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Dear Lynne I have to say that I absorbed much of the encouragement that was meant for you in those emails for myself! I have recently also joined this list looking for hope against FeLV and everytime someone else joins I am further encouraged. Diet does seem to make a difference in all the reading that I have done it mentions the highest possible quality high protein diet. Well, I'm a firm believer in the Prey Model Diet (otherwise known as Raw feeding or BARF) as it fully suits those qualifications. Since BooBoo is already more interested in human food - tuna/salmon, now might be a good time to try to transition him to Raw. It's a process but some cats take to it better than others. Someone else mentioned Raw feeding - there are many really wonderful websites like: www.rawfedcats.org that have all the information needed to get started in Raw Feeding. Our Athena is entirely raw fed , whole prey (we use Rodent Pro.com) basically initially by her own doing. Time will tell (as much as it really can with this situation) as far as how beneficial the raw feeding is for them but I really think that overall (even if she weren't sick) there would never be any better food plan. Anyway - off my soap box but think about it. Good luck and warm wishes:) Beth Gouldin RIP Orion (to FELV) Good Luck Athena (FELV +)
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Hi Emily, I hope you get this post soon. No, pts is not your only option! That is the good news. More and more vets are learning that cats with FeLV can live for years. There is even a cat the the Best Friends Animals Sanctuary who is FeLV+ and 22 years old! I petted him myself last Feb. So my first thought to you is you should find a vet that is willing to work to save Moses's life if this one isn't. Secondly, eating is extremely important for cats because they develop feline hepatic lipidosis, a condition of the liver, very quickly, and it's treatable, but deadly if not treated quickly. Did your vet tell you this? If he's not eating, get a syringe and start assist-feeding him some baby food (Del Monte or Beecher Nut chicken is a good one); there is info. on the internet on how to assist feed if you need to. Or get some Evo, which you can only get from the vet; it's very smooth when mixed with water and high calorie content. You have to do this. It's probably the single most important thing you will do for him at this point. Get 1-2 syringes of food in him as often as you can, every 1-2 hours if possible. There's a good chance it will jump start his appetite; we often see here that it does. And give him water as well in the syringe, but be careful to have him tilted up so that it slides down his throat right and doesn't choke him. If you have him at a 180 degree angle, that's too flat. Is Moses also anemic? Did he have a blood count done (RBC/PCV/HCT)? If so, what was it? I'm assuming that's what the pred and doxy is for. Make sure to keep him on the doxy for at least three weeks because that is what's used to treat hemobartanella, a blood parasite that is more common in cats and can cause the anemia, which is also deadly if not treated. Hemobart is very hard to detect on a slide because it 'disappears'. So vets often treat for this anyway, just in case. Please get back to us with as much info. as possible on his condition and test results so we can best help you Emily. I will check back here around 4ish central time to see if there's any other info you need and then later again tonight. Prayers going out for Moses to make a quick turn around. :) Wendy Dallas, TX Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 10:17:13 AM Subject: New to the list Hi there My name is Emily and I have three cats, Moses (Felv +) Jeremiah and Samson (status yet unknown). I just found out that Moses is + and he's quite sick. the doctor put him on prednesone and doxycline... He's not eating and he's quite thin. The dr wants to put him to sleep. Is this really my only option? Also - if i bring him home to be with his brothers... will he infect them? Should i have them tested? I'm so sad. Any help would be greatly appreciated... THank you thank you thank you... More new features than ever. Check out the new AIM(R) Mail! Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
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Get Nutrical- either from your vet, or a lot of pet stores have it- just ask them for it. It's a high calorie supplement for cats. You need to be giving this to him. If he likes it enough, he may just lick it off your fingers. Most cats do like the taste of it. But to get the maximum amount into him, mix it into wet food really good. Also, start feeding him kitten wet food- Wellness brand kitten is really really good. Kitten food is richer, so it may stimulate his appetite more and he'll be very happy getting it! Most important, kitten food is high calorie, whereas adult cat food is not. He needs all the calories he can get right now. For a cat that is struggling weight-wise, the recommended amount of Nutrical is a tablespoon a day. If you can get just 1 tablespoon in him by mixing into wet food and/or by him licking it directly off your fingers, that alone (even without him eating food) with stave off fatty liver disease- which can be fatal and is the most dangerous thing you face with a cat not eating/undernourished. I have a non-felv undernourished 6 mth old kitten (looks 3-4 mths though) that I am nursing back to health- he gets a whole tablespoon of Nutrical added to 1/2 a small can of Wellness kitten food at night. He's improved markedly- the nutrical helps a lot. Others can address your other questions. Best thing to do is scan the archives for subject lines and read those threads. All you questions have been addressed in previous posts and you will find these helpful. Caroline Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:27:23 -0600From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: New to the list Hi Emily, Your only option is NOT to put him to sleep. As far as the thinness goes, you can learn to syringe feed him. Sometimes they pull through episodes of illness and sometimes not. I would have the brothers tested - but if they're going to be infected they likely already have been, since they have been together so long. Some people on this list mix + and -, and some don't. After testing, if they are negative, I'd definitely get them vaccinated against FELV, though. Have they ever been vaccinated against it before? There are lots of people here who know more about FELV than I do. I just wanted you to know someone's out here listening, someone cares, and you aren't alone. This is a great list, welcome. On Dec 20, 2007 10:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there My name is Emily and I have three cats, Moses (Felv +) Jeremiah and Samson (status yet unknown). I just found out that Moses is + and he's quite sick. the doctor put him on prednesone and doxycline... He's not eating and he's quite thin. The dr wants to put him to sleep. Is this really my only option? Also - if i bring him home to be with his brothers... will he infect them? Should i have them tested? I'm so sad. Any help would be greatly appreciated... THank you thank you thank you... More new features than ever. Check out the new AIM(R) Mail!-- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.http://www.rescuties.orgVist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*Please help Clarissa!http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart _ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_wlhmtextlink1_dec
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Folks on this list much more knowledgable than me will help. But, how old are they? Have they always been together? What does the vet say is wrong with Moses? FELV itself is not what is making him sick—what he likely has is any one a number of conditions that FELV cats are more prone to. As for eating, get anything you can into him—baby food (without onion!), tuna water from can; cold cuts; treats; ANYTHING you can. Try and make it a bit liquidy so he gets fluids as well. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 11:17 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: New to the list Hi there My name is Emily and I have three cats, Moses (Felv +) Jeremiah and Samson (status yet unknown). I just found out that Moses is + and he's quite sick. the doctor put him on prednesone and doxycline... He's not eating and he's quite thin. The dr wants to put him to sleep. Is this really my only option? Also - if i bring him home to be with his brothers... will he infect them? Should i have them tested? I'm so sad. Any help would be greatly appreciated... THank you thank you thank you... _ More new features than ever. Check out the new AIM(R) Mail http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aimcmp000501 !
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Hi, Emily -- I'm sorry Moses is so sick. As you can see, you're already getting lots of good ideas on how to treat him. One important thing is, is your vet is willing to work with you to help Moses get better? I hope the fact that he's given you drugs for him is a good sign in that regard. The question is, did the vet suggest putting him to sleep based on his actual condition (i.e. does Moses seem to have lymphoma, severe anemia, etc.) or just on the widely held but erroneous opinion that FeLV is an automatic death sentence? You should ask your vet if he's willing to help you on this -- if he's not, maybe you should go vet-shopping. Unfortunately, once kitties are in crisis, it can be hard to save them, but if it's a case of them being undernourished or generally sickly rather than being in the grip of some actual ugly disease, often good care and good food can bring them out of it. You've come to a good place for help. Sending vibes that Moses gains weight and feels better! Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 10:17 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: New to the list Hi there My name is Emily and I have three cats, Moses (Felv +) Jeremiah and Samson (status yet unknown). I just found out that Moses is + and he's quite sick. the doctor put him on prednesone and doxycline... He's not eating and he's quite thin. The dr wants to put him to sleep. Is this really my only option? Also - if i bring him home to be with his brothers... will he infect them? Should i have them tested? I'm so sad. Any help would be greatly appreciated... THank you thank you thank you... More new features than ever. Check out the new AIM(R) Mail http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?nci d=aimcmp000501 ! This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: New to the list~ feline assisted feeding info
Join the yahoo group feline assisted feeding. GREAT INFO there re importance of eating and helping them eat. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ Important to get nutrition in him immediately. Start with AD which is easily syringed and high calories. I would keep him separate from your other kitties for now... (( hug)) L - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: New to the list Hi Emily, Your only option is NOT to put him to sleep. As far as the thinness goes, you can learn to syringe feed him. Sometimes they pull through episodes of illness and sometimes not. I would have the brothers tested - but if they're going to be infected they likely already have been, since they have been together so long. Some people on this list mix + and -, and some don't. After testing, if they are negative, I'd definitely get them vaccinated against FELV, though. Have they ever been vaccinated against it before? There are lots of people here who know more about FELV than I do. I just wanted you to know someone's out here listening, someone cares, and you aren't alone. This is a great list, welcome. On Dec 20, 2007 10:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there My name is Emily and I have three cats, Moses (Felv +) Jeremiah and Samson (status yet unknown). I just found out that Moses is + and he's quite sick. the doctor put him on prednesone and doxycline... He's not eating and he's quite thin. The dr wants to put him to sleep. Is this really my only option? Also - if i bring him home to be with his brothers... will he infect them? Should i have them tested? I'm so sad. Any help would be greatly appreciated... THank you thank you thank you... More new features than ever. Check out the new AIM(R) Mail! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart
Re: New to the list
Me again. Getting to an internal medicine specialist saved Isabella's life. Wonder if you have one nearby? Diane asks good questions and makes a good observation re the meds. Laurie - Original Message - From: Rosenfeldt, Diane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 11:22 AM Subject: RE: New to the list Hi, Emily -- I'm sorry Moses is so sick. As you can see, you're already getting lots of good ideas on how to treat him. One important thing is, is your vet is willing to work with you to help Moses get better? I hope the fact that he's given you drugs for him is a good sign in that regard. The question is, did the vet suggest putting him to sleep based on his actual condition (i.e. does Moses seem to have lymphoma, severe anemia, etc.) or just on the widely held but erroneous opinion that FeLV is an automatic death sentence? You should ask your vet if he's willing to help you on this -- if he's not, maybe you should go vet-shopping. Unfortunately, once kitties are in crisis, it can be hard to save them, but if it's a case of them being undernourished or generally sickly rather than being in the grip of some actual ugly disease, often good care and good food can bring them out of it. You've come to a good place for help. Sending vibes that Moses gains weight and feels better! Diane R. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 10:17 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: New to the list Hi there My name is Emily and I have three cats, Moses (Felv +) Jeremiah and Samson (status yet unknown). I just found out that Moses is + and he's quite sick. the doctor put him on prednesone and doxycline... He's not eating and he's quite thin. The dr wants to put him to sleep. Is this really my only option? Also - if i bring him home to be with his brothers... will he infect them? Should i have them tested? I'm so sad. Any help would be greatly appreciated... THank you thank you thank you... -- More new features than ever. Check out the new AIM(R) Mail! This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
RE: New to the list
One of my babies, Monty, was diagnosed at 9 months old. He was incredibly ill and the vet didn’t think he would make it and wanted me to put him to sleep as well. I wasn’t ready to give up, so I went to another vet. 3 years 3 months later, Monty is still with me and have never been sick since his initial diagnosis. He lives in the same house as his brother (Felv negative), his mother (negative), his grandmother (negative), 2 aunts (both negative), 2 uncles (both negative) and 4 other unrelated cats who are all negative. We did lose one of his aunts and his dad who were both positive. They all share the same space and have for over 4 years. Chris From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 11:17 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: New to the list Hi there My name is Emily and I have three cats, Moses (Felv +) Jeremiah and Samson (status yet unknown). I just found out that Moses is + and he's quite sick. the doctor put him on prednesone and doxycline... He's not eating and he's quite thin. The dr wants to put him to sleep. Is this really my only option? Also - if i bring him home to be with his brothers... will he infect them? Should i have them tested? I'm so sad. Any help would be greatly appreciated... THank you thank you thank you... _ More new features than ever. Check out the new HYPERLINK http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aimcmp000501; \nAIM(R) Mail! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: 12/19/2007 7:37 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: 12/19/2007 7:37 PM
Re: New Here
Welcome Kenzie, This is a great support group as well as a wealth of knowledge. Fell free to search the archives when you have the chance and ask questions. Bless you for caring about your kitties. Their lives are already better that you have come into it. I have no experience with Mega C. I use Manapol, Transfer Factor, Lysine, Probiotics, colostrum, and Immuno regulin. Any infections are treated aggressively when they show up. Junior has a bad eye from a car accident, so he also gets pain medication for glaucoma. Hi quality food is also important. Others here can tell you what brands are good. Junior gets his supplements in his wet food, and he like Iams chicken. Folks here will not agree that it is a good brand however he eats it and gained back 2.5pounds, so I am happy with the results. Sally On 10/14/07, Kenzie Kanne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I am new here and very happy to find a place like this. I began volunteering for a Rescue Group and bottle fed some kittens and then also brought in another kitten who needed help badly. I believe he was the carrier of FELV because now I have 3 positive FELV kittens. They are about 5 months old now. I am giving them Mega C Plus in hopes that what I have read about it is true. Has anyone worked with that before? In general, the kittens are healthy. The girls Maggie and Mitzy haven't had a lot of problems. Frankie...the one I think brought it in has had the most problems beginning w/ severe worm infestation, Coccidiosis, Ringworm, and just recently a severe run of no appetite, puking, diarrhea, depression, fever. We treated and forced liquids for two weeks keeping him to himself. He was very thin but is now out w/ the girls again and gaining weight. I think this will be a wonderful place for us because there is not a lot of understanding or tolerance for FELV in our area... We have one vet who will gladly assist w/ what he can but does not have a lot of the tools needed. The larger vet clinic recommends euthanasia instead of treating infections and what not. I refuse to give up on these guys...I have worked so hard on them to be here today and won't give up because of the FELV. *Kenzie Kanne http://www.myspace.com/animalrescueofcarroll* *ARC Volunteer http://www.myspace.com/animalrescueofcarroll * *(712)830-9518 http://www.myspace.com/animalrescueofcarroll* www.myspace.com/animalrescueofcarroll http://animalrescue-carroll.tripod.com/index.html ** ** -- Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks Treats for You! Get 'em!http://www.reallivemoms.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHMloc=us -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and Spike Visit my BB for some pictures post your as well. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
Re: new list
Where is this list??? Really I am so happy to be a member of this list. It is so emotional when you have a sick kitty or worse yet lose your love one. I at least know I am doing the best I can with Junior because I joined this list. I am one of those people who if the vet told me I had to put him down from the get go I probably would have done it. Let me explain, I was already in such an emotional state because I missed that Pumpkin was sick and lost him. He was never tested but I assure you from his symptoms the outcome would have been that he was positive. Now Lionel came to live with me the same day as Pumpkin about 8 months before all this transpired. His testing showed FIV and FELV. I do think he probably contracted the FELV after he came to live here. I am sure based on his condition when he joined my household that he was already immunocompromised. But we were able to heal his wound and get rid of his eye infection without antibiotics. See at that time I could not get into see my vet because he was short staffed. Uh where am I going. Not sure. I did wind up PTS Lionel because after the DX i was not sure where I was to keep 3 sick kitties and 8 negative kitties. I should day 2 FELV cats, one FELV/FIV cat and 7 negative cats. I have a small place. Like I said emotional issues. One does not always make the right decision. This group has helped guide me since I joined. I miss the ones who left, but the new folks also bring new perspectives. Thanks Sally On 9/26/07, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think those of you who have reconvened on another list are needed here to educate those who don't know as much as you do. tonya *MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: EXACTLY, KEL, WHICH IS WHY SO MANY OF US WHO REALLY KNOW ABOUT FELV AND FIV HAVE LEFT THIS LIST AND RECONVENED ELSEWHERE--WHERE VALUES AND GOOD INFORMATION AND LOVING SUPPORT ARE THE VALUES. On 9/25/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I absolutely think it is important we all decide who to support, according to our values:) On 9/25/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I know several people /groups that are well regarded in the rescue world, and they have LOTS of dirty laundry,to say the least, @ best. And the only thing that keeps me from getting involved in their mess is the fact that cats would confiscated die. I am working on about 3 separate incidences right now, as I speak. I don't support hack rescue work nor hack vets. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/ www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/ www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:42 AM Subject: Re: ...emotionally charged issues...are rough... The person who is running the shelter is a veterinarian who is very well regarded in the rescue world. I guess that a veterinarian *could* be uninformed, but I find it hard to believe that someone who spent a great deal of her own time and money working to place homeless animals *would* be uninformed. On 9/25/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never said that you were evil. But I think who ever is running this shelter is severely uninformed..@ best. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/ www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/ www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:54 PM Subject: Re: ...emotionally charged issues...are rough... Please dont try to save mty feelings.Just don't read anymore of my posts and I will do the same!! We are not evil people Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George!
Re: new list ~
Please can we all work together? The kitties come first, imho. We need the benefit of everyone's wisdom, if you are willing. Laurie - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:03 AM Subject: Re: new list Where is this list??? Really I am so happy to be a member of this list. It is so emotional when you have a sick kitty or worse yet lose your love one. I at least know I am doing the best I can with Junior because I joined this list. I am one of those people who if the vet told me I had to put him down from the get go I probably would have done it. Let me explain, I was already in such an emotional state because I missed that Pumpkin was sick and lost him. He was never tested but I assure you from his symptoms the outcome would have been that he was positive. Now Lionel came to live with me the same day as Pumpkin about 8 months before all this transpired. His testing showed FIV and FELV. I do think he probably contracted the FELV after he came to live here. I am sure based on his condition when he joined my household that he was already immunocompromised. But we were able to heal his wound and get rid of his eye infection without antibiotics. See at that time I could not get into see my vet because he was short staffed. Uh where am I going. Not sure. I did wind up PTS Lionel because after the DX i was not sure where I was to keep 3 sick kitties and 8 negative kitties. I should day 2 FELV cats, one FELV/FIV cat and 7 negative cats. I have a small place. Like I said emotional issues. One does not always make the right decision. This group has helped guide me since I joined. I miss the ones who left, but the new folks also bring new perspectives. Thanks Sally On 9/26/07, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think those of you who have reconvened on another list are needed here to educate those who don't know as much as you do. tonya MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: EXACTLY, KEL, WHICH IS WHY SO MANY OF US WHO REALLY KNOW ABOUT FELV AND FIV HAVE LEFT THIS LIST AND RECONVENED ELSEWHERE--WHERE VALUES AND GOOD INFORMATION AND LOVING SUPPORT ARE THE VALUES. On 9/25/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I absolutely think it is important we all decide who to support, according to our values:) On 9/25/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I know several people /groups that are well regarded in the rescue world, and they have LOTS of dirty laundry,to say the least, @ best. And the only thing that keeps me from getting involved in their mess is the fact that cats would confiscated die. I am working on about 3 separate incidences right now, as I speak. I don't support hack rescue work nor hack vets. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:42 AM Subject: Re: ...emotionally charged issues...are rough... The person who is running the shelter is a veterinarian who is very well regarded in the rescue world. I guess that a veterinarian *could* be uninformed, but I find it hard to believe that someone who spent a great deal of her own time and money working to place homeless animals *would* be uninformed. On 9/25/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never said that you were evil. But I think who ever is running this shelter is severely uninformed..@ best. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
RE: new Cat Fancy
Wow Susan-you are so knowledgeable about the breeds. To me, it's the black/white cat, the calico, the tabby. It's kind of like my mom and cars: white car, red car, black truck, etc. Likewise, I'm not very aware when it comes to the technical terms or the lingo for cat breeds. I'm interested though, so I think I'll look up all the words in here that I have no visuals for! By the way-I love the name Naughty Lola! I know exactly what she's like without meeting her. Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 8:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: new Cat Fancy Ah, on the cover is a SelkirkRex, described as a British Shorthair meets Rex sometimes meets Persian Finally, I have uncovered what look the Frankenbreeder from last year was going for in my little Pugsley. I kept saying to everyone (anyone that would listen!), he's so funny looking, he's got curly fur but the face of a British Shorthair! Not like the classic Rex! So, apparently that IS a breed, but this loser was just playin' w /genetics... They come in either long or short furrage... This is the same house that my Naughty Lola Ursula (both felv+) came from, Lola being a doll faced Persian Ursula being a British Shorthair Sealpoint Looks like my little Pugsley on the cover only w/long fur, flamepoint all! He was a tough little cookie, medically.. He was @ the vet clinic for 6 months! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.petgirlspetsitting.com http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/ www.tx.siameserescue.org http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/ www.shadowcats.net http://www.shadowcats.net/ A kitten is more amusing than half the people one is obligated to be with. Lady Sidney Morgan _ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48251/*http:/smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting/ ?p=PASSPORTPLUS the tools to get online.
Re: OT: RE: new kitty, fingers crossed
Melissa,
I'm so sorry for your losses. After all you've been through your hubby
should let you keep a little kitten for a while. Shouldn't he???
t
Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }Well, heres the update:
first of all, for those of you who might remember, I mentioned being in the
family way a while back, so you might be concerned about my alcohol intake. I
guess I didnt mention that we lost the baby L. Not that I want to burden you
guys with personal stuff, but for those who were scratching their heads and
wondering what kind of person I was
.
Anyway, I was so excited to have a couple come over to the house this weekend
to look at our foster kitties. After meeting the two kitties at our house, it
seemed that they wanted to take baby kitty (as yet unnamed) from the vets
office sight unseen. That sounded great! Alas, baby kitty is still at the
vets. Ill pick her up today after work. My husband still doesnt know about
this kitty. I think Ill just bring her home and when he returns from out of
town tomorrow, Ill just wait until he notices the baby running around and
blame it on a spay/neuter gone bad (our cats are multiplying!). The people who
were interested in her might take her at Thanksgiving time (when they return).
In the meantime, its my plan to take lots of pictures of her and send them to
tempt them. They live in Michigan (I live in Nebraska), so travel would not be
difficult to arrange.
As for the name, it still hasnt come to me. The drink was just a Vox vodka
with diet 7-up and a splash of sweet/sour mix. Vox, fox, foxy? Maybe. I know it
will come to me.
Also, Im kind of a sentimental person (sometimes), and I cant help but
thinking that fate sent baby to us since we just lost our own (3rd loss for
us). So, although I want to keep this post to cat issues, I cant help but
think that it was more than coincidence that brought us together.
Ill try to post some pictures of baby tomorrow.
Melissa
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RE: OT: RE: new kitty, fingers crossed
Yes, hubby noticed the new addition (Penelope) yesterday and was upset, frustrated, anxious, but after a day at work, he came home and was fine. He's now interested in her, and he can chuckle at my plotting and scheming. He does appreciate my compassion even though it might stress him out at times. He was surprised to learn how long we'd had the kitten (albeit at the vet's office) since I can't keep a secret. She's so small, he really can't be angry for long-plus, how could he be angry when I'd cooked all his favorite foods?! :-) It's amazing what food can do! Penelope is getting braver every day. She's following me around now, and after cleaning up about 8 piles of runny poo, she's now figured out the litter box. I think she knew what it was, but didn't want to intrude on the other cats' territory. I moved a litter box to the poo area (luckily it was on linoleum), sprinkled dirt on the top, and mixed in some other cats' poo, and she went right away! Yea! I was near tears from all the poos I had to clean-very afraid that she wouldn't learn-but all has worked out smoothly. Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 2:29 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: RE: new kitty, fingers crossed Melissa, I'm so sorry for your losses. After all you've been through your hubby should let you keep a little kitten for a while. Shouldn't he??? t Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, here's the update: first of all, for those of you who might remember, I mentioned being in the family way a while back, so you might be concerned about my alcohol intake. I guess I didn't mention that we lost the baby :-(. Not that I want to burden you guys with personal stuff, but for those who were scratching their heads and wondering what kind of person I was.. Anyway, I was so excited to have a couple come over to the house this weekend to look at our foster kitties. After meeting the two kitties at our house, it seemed that they wanted to take baby kitty (as yet unnamed) from the vets' office sight unseen. That sounded great! Alas, baby kitty is still at the vets'. I'll pick her up today after work. My husband still doesn't know about this kitty. I think I'll just bring her home and when he returns from out of town tomorrow, I'll just wait until he notices the baby running around and blame it on a spay/neuter gone bad (our cats are multiplying!). The people who were interested in her might take her at Thanksgiving time (when they return). In the meantime, it's my plan to take lots of pictures of her and send them to tempt them. They live in Michigan (I live in Nebraska), so travel would not be difficult to arrange. As for the name, it still hasn't come to me. The drink was just a Vox vodka with diet 7-up and a splash of sweet/sour mix. Vox, fox, foxy? Maybe. I know it will come to me. Also, I'm kind of a sentimental person (sometimes), and I can't help but thinking that fate sent baby to us since we just lost our own (3rd loss for us). So, although I want to keep this post to cat issues, I can't help but think that it was more than coincidence that brought us together. I'll try to post some pictures of baby tomorrow. Melissa _
RE: OT: RE: new kitty, fingers crossed
Melissa -- I'm glad domestic peace prevails and Penelope has taken to the litter box! Good luck on her continued assimilation! Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Melissa Lind Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 8:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: RE: new kitty, fingers crossed Yes, hubby noticed the new addition (Penelope) yesterday and was upset, frustrated, anxious, but after a day at work, he came home and was fine. He's now interested in her, and he can chuckle at my plotting and scheming. He does appreciate my compassion even though it might stress him out at times. He was surprised to learn how long we'd had the kitten (albeit at the vet's office) since I can't keep a secret. She's so small, he really can't be angry for long-plus, how could he be angry when I'd cooked all his favorite foods?! :-) It's amazing what food can do! Penelope is getting braver every day. She's following me around now, and after cleaning up about 8 piles of runny poo, she's now figured out the litter box. I think she knew what it was, but didn't want to intrude on the other cats' territory. I moved a litter box to the poo area (luckily it was on linoleum), sprinkled dirt on the top, and mixed in some other cats' poo, and she went right away! Yea! I was near tears from all the poos I had to clean-very afraid that she wouldn't learn-but all has worked out smoothly. Melissa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 2:29 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: RE: new kitty, fingers crossed Melissa, I'm so sorry for your losses. After all you've been through your hubby should let you keep a little kitten for a while. Shouldn't he??? t Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, here's the update: first of all, for those of you who might remember, I mentioned being in the family way a while back, so you might be concerned about my alcohol intake. I guess I didn't mention that we lost the baby :-(. Not that I want to burden you guys with personal stuff, but for those who were scratching their heads and wondering what kind of person I was Anyway, I was so excited to have a couple come over to the house this weekend to look at our foster kitties. After meeting the two kitties at our house, it seemed that they wanted to take baby kitty (as yet unnamed) from the vets' office sight unseen. That sounded great! Alas, baby kitty is still at the vets'. I'll pick her up today after work. My husband still doesn't know about this kitty. I think I'll just bring her home and when he returns from out of town tomorrow, I'll just wait until he notices the baby running around and blame it on a spay/neuter gone bad (our cats are multiplying!). The people who were interested in her might take her at Thanksgiving time (when they return). In the meantime, it's my plan to take lots of pictures of her and send them to tempt them. They live in Michigan (I live in Nebraska), so travel would not be difficult to arrange. As for the name, it still hasn't come to me. The drink was just a Vox vodka with diet 7-up and a splash of sweet/sour mix. Vox, fox, foxy? Maybe. I know it will come to me. Also, I'm kind of a sentimental person (sometimes), and I can't help but thinking that fate sent baby to us since we just lost our own (3rd loss for us). So, although I want to keep this post to cat issues, I can't help but think that it was more than coincidence that brought us together. I'll try to post some pictures of baby tomorrow. Melissa This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: OT: RE: new kitty, fingers crossed
Congratulations on the test result. Fingers and paws crossed that you find
someone to take some of your fosters. :)
tonya
Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }Well, the new little girl
tested negative! Yea! But, now my post is off topic! Ive decided to board the
poor baby over the weekend. She has an under-bite and ear mites; otherwise,
except for her being very underweight, shes okay. I havent figured out her
name yet. My new vet is awesome and will check on the new baby twice a day this
weekend. Shell even let me know when shell be there in case I want to visit.
I hate leaving the little one there, but Im hoping that Ill think of
something this weekend to do with our two fosters.
I have a friend whos traveling to CA soon. Im not sure where to in CA. I
think San Diego. Any of you from San Diego and have room in your hearts and
homes for a non-FeLV cat or two? Heres their pics if anyone is interested
(Please forward if you have any possible homes!):
Nonie (1.5 years):
http://picasaweb.google.com/mzurovsk/Nonie?authkey=58Zh5l6swyU
Ashley (1 year):
http://picasaweb.google.com/mzurovsk/Ashley?authkey=imb76PXJObI
Ashley is much healthier nowshes not as skinny and she doesnt look so
scrawny as in the picture. Shes becoming quite the boss of the house and is
getting more snuggly every day! She a great masseuse!
Nonie had a weepy eye at the time of the pictures, so shes not as pretty
looking as usual. But her eye is fine now. She loves to hop in the shower with
us! Her bobtail is so so so cute!
Melissa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Melissa Lind
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 8:53 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: new kitty, fingers crossed
Oh dear me! I could write a book entitled 5 vodkas, an ex-marine, and a
kitty. I went to have a birthday drink with my career Marine buddy who was 78
yesterday. That drink turned into 5. Then I went to check on the stray that Im
looking after who is incidentally named Sarge after this buddy of mineboth are
blind in the right eye. As Im calling for Sarge, out comes a little gray
tiger. She was so hungry but also scared. I scooped her up, probably not very
gracefully after the vodkasIve noticed quite a few nice scratches this
morning from last night.
She stayed in my home office room last night and left two nicely sized poops
near the litter box on the carpet J. Shes not a friendly kitty that likes to
cuddlelots of hissing. Poor thing has had a rough life so far. Her ribs are
practically poking through.
I took her to the vet this morning, but I havent figured out what her name
is yet. Im awaiting the FeLV test. So keep your fingers crossedfor the test
and for my marriage! Havent told my husband yet! I might board the kitty over
the weekend in hopes that I find homes for my two foster cats. That would
assuage my husband. I need to make room (we have 3 of our own permanent cats)
before I take in more. We have a 5-cat rule. But does a kitten (about 12 weeks
old) count as a full cat? J
Hoping for the best
Melissa Lind
OT: RE: new kitty, fingers crossed
Well, here's the update: first of all, for those of you who might remember, I mentioned being in the family way a while back, so you might be concerned about my alcohol intake. I guess I didn't mention that we lost the baby :-(. Not that I want to burden you guys with personal stuff, but for those who were scratching their heads and wondering what kind of person I was.. Anyway, I was so excited to have a couple come over to the house this weekend to look at our foster kitties. After meeting the two kitties at our house, it seemed that they wanted to take baby kitty (as yet unnamed) from the vets' office sight unseen. That sounded great! Alas, baby kitty is still at the vets'. I'll pick her up today after work. My husband still doesn't know about this kitty. I think I'll just bring her home and when he returns from out of town tomorrow, I'll just wait until he notices the baby running around and blame it on a spay/neuter gone bad (our cats are multiplying!). The people who were interested in her might take her at Thanksgiving time (when they return). In the meantime, it's my plan to take lots of pictures of her and send them to tempt them. They live in Michigan (I live in Nebraska), so travel would not be difficult to arrange. As for the name, it still hasn't come to me. The drink was just a Vox vodka with diet 7-up and a splash of sweet/sour mix. Vox, fox, foxy? Maybe. I know it will come to me. Also, I'm kind of a sentimental person (sometimes), and I can't help but thinking that fate sent baby to us since we just lost our own (3rd loss for us). So, although I want to keep this post to cat issues, I can't help but think that it was more than coincidence that brought us together. I'll try to post some pictures of baby tomorrow. Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 8:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: new kitty, fingers crossed maybe name the cat Vodka or the name of a vodka mixture--martini If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 7:52 PM Subject: Re: new kitty, fingers crossed Melissa, I would comment on having too much Vodka but I would probably leave the PG rating. :) Have a good weekend! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 3:30 PM Subject: RE: new kitty, fingers crossed Very funny! :-) I hope my husband sees it as funny as well! We always have a chuckle over the growing number of kitties but not after a lot of grief in the meantime! I know he's going to be frustrated-as am I since our house is too small for more cats, but a kitten is so tiny, it surely won't take up much space! I hate keeping things from him, but this little girl might be a secret this weekend-unless I have too many vodkas again! Then who knows what will happen! Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 1:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: new kitty, fingers crossed Yes, unfortunately kittens @ 12 weeks count as cats. My boyfriend has the rule Every set of pointy ears is this house is considered a cat, regardless if it lives under the bed.. Yes,folks, I even asked But what if we never SEE the cat, it lives under the bed, couch, etc No luck. However, when he used to work out of town a lot, I would ALWYS bring home a cat or 2. SometimesI wouldn'tget to talk to him for 2 weeks or so, since he would be out in the field (on a dig) in Mexico or in the west Texas dessert, no cell phone reception. I always hoped that he wouldn't recognize the new cat(s). W/kittens I always tried to foster litters that all lookedalike, so that he MIGHT not be able to count them. THAT got blown outta the water when he was sitting on the couch one night and 3 little orage tabbies ran over him, one right
Re: new kitty, fingers crossed
I hope it all works out Melissa! tonya Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh dear me! I could write a book entitled 5 vodkas, an ex-marine, and a kitty. I went to have a birthday drink with my career Marine buddy who was 78 yesterday. That drink turned into 5. Then I went to check on the stray that Im looking after who is incidentally named Sarge after this buddy of mineboth are blind in the right eye. As Im calling for Sarge, out comes a little gray tiger. She was so hungry but also scared. I scooped her up, probably not very gracefully after the vodkasIve noticed quite a few nice scratches this morning from last night. She stayed in my home office room last night and left two nicely sized poops near the litter box on the carpet J. Shes not a friendly kitty that likes to cuddlelots of hissing. Poor thing has had a rough life so far. Her ribs are practically poking through. I took her to the vet this morning, but I havent figured out what her name is yet. Im awaiting the FeLV test. So keep your fingers crossedfor the test and for my marriage! Havent told my husband yet! I might board the kitty over the weekend in hopes that I find homes for my two foster cats. That would assuage my husband. I need to make room (we have 3 of our own permanent cats) before I take in more. We have a 5-cat rule. But does a kitten (about 12 weeks old) count as a full cat? J Hoping for the best Melissa Lind
To Melissa: Re: OT: RE: new kitty, fingers crossed
Melissa, Trying to catch up on my email. Congrats on the new kitten! And that she tested negative! That's great! I still have to get Ensie tested, which I'll probably do this week. Let me know how she does being boarded this weekend. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
Re: new kitty, fingers crossed
Hey --- Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh dear me! I could write a book entitled 5 vodkas, an ex-marine, and a kitty. I went to have a birthday drink with my career Marine buddy who was 78 yesterday. That drink turned into 5. Then I went to check on the stray that I'm looking after who is incidentally named Sarge after this buddy of mine-both are blind in the right eye. As I'm calling for Sarge, out comes a little gray tiger. She was so hungry but also scared. I scooped her up, probably not very gracefully after the vodkas-I've noticed quite a few nice scratches this morning from last night. She stayed in my home office room last night and left two nicely sized poops near the litter box on the carpet :-). She's not a friendly kitty that likes to cuddle-lots of hissing. Poor thing has had a rough life so far. Her ribs are practically poking through. I took her to the vet this morning, but I haven't figured out what her name is yet. I'm awaiting the FeLV test. So keep your fingers crossed-for the test and for my marriage! Haven't told my husband yet! I might board the kitty over the weekend in hopes that I find homes for my two foster cats. That would assuage my husband. I need to make room (we have 3 of our own permanent cats) before I take in more. We have a 5-cat rule. But does a kitten (about 12 weeks old) count as a full cat? :-) Hoping for the best. Melissa Lind Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
Re: new kitty, fingers crossed
Melissa, My fingers are crossed! My goodness, better stay away from that vodka before going to rescue shelters...just a thought...I'm happy the little tiger guy found you! Take care, Glenda --- Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh dear me! I could write a book entitled 5 vodkas, an ex-marine, and a kitty. I went to have a birthday drink with my career Marine buddy who was 78 yesterday. That drink turned into 5. Then I went to check on the stray that I'm looking after who is incidentally named Sarge after this buddy of mine-both are blind in the right eye. As I'm calling for Sarge, out comes a little gray tiger. She was so hungry but also scared. I scooped her up, probably not very gracefully after the vodkas-I've noticed quite a few nice scratches this morning from last night. She stayed in my home office room last night and left two nicely sized poops near the litter box on the carpet :-). She's not a friendly kitty that likes to cuddle-lots of hissing. Poor thing has had a rough life so far. Her ribs are practically poking through. I took her to the vet this morning, but I haven't figured out what her name is yet. I'm awaiting the FeLV test. So keep your fingers crossed-for the test and for my marriage! Haven't told my husband yet! I might board the kitty over the weekend in hopes that I find homes for my two foster cats. That would assuage my husband. I need to make room (we have 3 of our own permanent cats) before I take in more. We have a 5-cat rule. But does a kitten (about 12 weeks old) count as a full cat? :-) Hoping for the best. Melissa Lind Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433
OT: RE: new kitty, fingers crossed
Well, the new little girl tested negative! Yea! But, now my post is off topic! I've decided to board the poor baby over the weekend. She has an under-bite and ear mites; otherwise, except for her being very underweight, she's okay. I haven't figured out her name yet. My new vet is awesome and will check on the new baby twice a day this weekend. She'll even let me know when she'll be there in case I want to visit. I hate leaving the little one there, but I'm hoping that I'll think of something this weekend to do with our two fosters. I have a friend who's traveling to CA soon. I'm not sure where to in CA. I think San Diego. Any of you from San Diego and have room in your hearts and homes for a non-FeLV cat or two? Here's their pics if anyone is interested (Please forward if you have any possible homes!): Nonie (1.5 years): http://picasaweb.google.com/mzurovsk/Nonie?authkey=58Zh5l6swyU Ashley (1 year): http://picasaweb.google.com/mzurovsk/Ashley?authkey=imb76PXJObI Ashley is much healthier now-she's not as skinny and she doesn't look so scrawny as in the picture. She's becoming quite the boss of the house and is getting more snuggly every day! She a great masseuse! Nonie had a weepy eye at the time of the pictures, so she's not as pretty looking as usual. But her eye is fine now. She loves to hop in the shower with us! Her bobtail is so so so cute! Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Melissa Lind Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 8:53 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: new kitty, fingers crossed Oh dear me! I could write a book entitled 5 vodkas, an ex-marine, and a kitty. I went to have a birthday drink with my career Marine buddy who was 78 yesterday. That drink turned into 5. Then I went to check on the stray that I'm looking after who is incidentally named Sarge after this buddy of mine-both are blind in the right eye. As I'm calling for Sarge, out comes a little gray tiger. She was so hungry but also scared. I scooped her up, probably not very gracefully after the vodkas-I've noticed quite a few nice scratches this morning from last night. She stayed in my home office room last night and left two nicely sized poops near the litter box on the carpet :-). She's not a friendly kitty that likes to cuddle-lots of hissing. Poor thing has had a rough life so far. Her ribs are practically poking through. I took her to the vet this morning, but I haven't figured out what her name is yet. I'm awaiting the FeLV test. So keep your fingers crossed-for the test and for my marriage! Haven't told my husband yet! I might board the kitty over the weekend in hopes that I find homes for my two foster cats. That would assuage my husband. I need to make room (we have 3 of our own permanent cats) before I take in more. We have a 5-cat rule. But does a kitten (about 12 weeks old) count as a full cat? :-) Hoping for the best. Melissa Lind
Re: new kitty, fingers crossed
That is 1/4 of a cat. Trust me. :))) Get some Feliway Spray (not the plug in) and use it to help calm the little one. Grab some Rescue Remedy and put some in her water and take some yourself. This will help calm both of you. Provide her with a safe, small place to hide. Use unscented litter-she sounds feral or close to it and the ones I've had the pleasure of knowing hate perfumed anything. Watch the scratches/bites for signs of infection...honest. Blessings to you and the little one. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 8:52 AM Subject: new kitty, fingers crossed Oh dear me! I could write a book entitled 5 vodkas, an ex-marine, and a kitty. I went to have a birthday drink with my career Marine buddy who was 78 yesterday. That drink turned into 5. Then I went to check on the stray that I'm looking after who is incidentally named Sarge after this buddy of mine-both are blind in the right eye. As I'm calling for Sarge, out comes a little gray tiger. She was so hungry but also scared. I scooped her up, probably not very gracefully after the vodkas-I've noticed quite a few nice scratches this morning from last night. She stayed in my home office room last night and left two nicely sized poops near the litter box on the carpet J. She's not a friendly kitty that likes to cuddle-lots of hissing. Poor thing has had a rough life so far. Her ribs are practically poking through. I took her to the vet this morning, but I haven't figured out what her name is yet. I'm awaiting the FeLV test. So keep your fingers crossed-for the test and for my marriage! Haven't told my husband yet! I might board the kitty over the weekend in hopes that I find homes for my two foster cats. That would assuage my husband. I need to make room (we have 3 of our own permanent cats) before I take in more. We have a 5-cat rule. But does a kitten (about 12 weeks old) count as a full cat? J Hoping for the best. Melissa Lind
Re: new kitty, fingers crossed
Yes, unfortunately kittens @ 12 weeks count as cats. My boyfriend has the rule Every set of pointy ears is this house is considered a cat, regardless if it lives under the bed.. Yes,folks, I even asked But what if we never SEE the cat, it lives under the bed, couch, etc No luck. However, when he used to work out of town a lot, I would ALWYS bring home a cat or 2. SometimesI wouldn'tget to talk to him for 2 weeks or so, since he would be out in the field (on a dig) in Mexico or in the west Texas dessert, no cell phone reception. I always hoped that he wouldn't recognize the new cat(s). W/kittens I always tried to foster litters that all lookedalike, so that he MIGHT not be able to count them. THAT got blown outta the water when he was sitting on the couch one night and 3 little orage tabbies ran over him, one right after the other, chasing each others' tails. It was like that scene outta the Simpson's episode where the dog has puppies..Do..! Good luck w/your new kitty, Melissa, we all feel your pain.. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 8:52 AM Subject: new kitty, fingers crossed Oh dear me! I could write a book entitled 5 vodkas, an ex-marine, and a kitty. I went to have a birthday drink with my career Marine buddy who was 78 yesterday. That drink turned into 5. Then I went to check on the stray that I'm looking after who is incidentally named Sarge after this buddy of mine-both are blind in the right eye. As I'm calling for Sarge, out comes a little gray tiger. She was so hungry but also scared. I scooped her up, probably not very gracefully after the vodkas-I've noticed quite a few nice scratches this morning from last night. She stayed in my home office room last night and left two nicely sized poops near the litter box on the carpet J. She's not a friendly kitty that likes to cuddle-lots of hissing. Poor thing has had a rough life so far. Her ribs are practically poking through. I took her to the vet this morning, but I haven't figured out what her name is yet. I'm awaiting the FeLV test. So keep your fingers crossed-for the test and for my marriage! Haven't told my husband yet! I might board the kitty over the weekend in hopes that I find homes for my two foster cats. That would assuage my husband. I need to make room (we have 3 of our own permanent cats) before I take in more. We have a 5-cat rule. But does a kitten (about 12 weeks old) count as a full cat? J Hoping for the best. Melissa Lind
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Very funny! :-) I hope my husband sees it as funny as well! We always have a chuckle over the growing number of kitties but not after a lot of grief in the meantime! I know he's going to be frustrated-as am I since our house is too small for more cats, but a kitten is so tiny, it surely won't take up much space! I hate keeping things from him, but this little girl might be a secret this weekend-unless I have too many vodkas again! Then who knows what will happen! Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 1:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: new kitty, fingers crossed Yes, unfortunately kittens @ 12 weeks count as cats. My boyfriend has the rule Every set of pointy ears is this house is considered a cat, regardless if it lives under the bed.. Yes,folks, I even asked But what if we never SEE the cat, it lives under the bed, couch, etc No luck. However, when he used to work out of town a lot, I would ALWYS bring home a cat or 2. SometimesI wouldn'tget to talk to him for 2 weeks or so, since he would be out in the field (on a dig) in Mexico or in the west Texas dessert, no cell phone reception. I always hoped that he wouldn't recognize the new cat(s). W/kittens I always tried to foster litters that all lookedalike, so that he MIGHT not be able to count them. THAT got blown outta the water when he was sitting on the couch one night and 3 little orage tabbies ran over him, one right after the other, chasing each others' tails. It was like that scene outta the Simpson's episode where the dog has puppies..Do..! Good luck w/your new kitty, Melissa, we all feel your pain.. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 8:52 AM Subject: new kitty, fingers crossed Oh dear me! I could write a book entitled 5 vodkas, an ex-marine, and a kitty. I went to have a birthday drink with my career Marine buddy who was 78 yesterday. That drink turned into 5. Then I went to check on the stray that I'm looking after who is incidentally named Sarge after this buddy of mine-both are blind in the right eye. As I'm calling for Sarge, out comes a little gray tiger. She was so hungry but also scared. I scooped her up, probably not very gracefully after the vodkas-I've noticed quite a few nice scratches this morning from last night. She stayed in my home office room last night and left two nicely sized poops near the litter box on the carpet :-). She's not a friendly kitty that likes to cuddle-lots of hissing. Poor thing has had a rough life so far. Her ribs are practically poking through. I took her to the vet this morning, but I haven't figured out what her name is yet. I'm awaiting the FeLV test. So keep your fingers crossed-for the test and for my marriage! Haven't told my husband yet! I might board the kitty over the weekend in hopes that I find homes for my two foster cats. That would assuage my husband. I need to make room (we have 3 of our own permanent cats) before I take in more. We have a 5-cat rule. But does a kitten (about 12 weeks old) count as a full cat? :-) Hoping for the best. Melissa Lind
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Melissa, I would comment on having too much Vodka but I would probably leave the PG rating. :) Have a good weekend! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 3:30 PM Subject: RE: new kitty, fingers crossed Very funny! J I hope my husband sees it as funny as well! We always have a chuckle over the growing number of kitties but not after a lot of grief in the meantime! I know he's going to be frustrated-as am I since our house is too small for more cats, but a kitten is so tiny, it surely won't take up much space! I hate keeping things from him, but this little girl might be a secret this weekend-unless I have too many vodkas again! Then who knows what will happen! Melissa -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 1:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: new kitty, fingers crossed Yes, unfortunately kittens @ 12 weeks count as cats. My boyfriend has the rule Every set of pointy ears is this house is considered a cat, regardless if it lives under the bed.. Yes,folks, I even asked But what if we never SEE the cat, it lives under the bed, couch, etc No luck. However, when he used to work out of town a lot, I would ALWYS bring home a cat or 2. SometimesI wouldn'tget to talk to him for 2 weeks or so, since he would be out in the field (on a dig) in Mexico or in the west Texas dessert, no cell phone reception. I always hoped that he wouldn't recognize the new cat(s). W/kittens I always tried to foster litters that all lookedalike, so that he MIGHT not be able to count them. THAT got blown outta the water when he was sitting on the couch one night and 3 little orage tabbies ran over him, one right after the other, chasing each others' tails. It was like that scene outta the Simpson's episode where the dog has puppies..Do..! Good luck w/your new kitty, Melissa, we all feel your pain.. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 8:52 AM Subject: new kitty, fingers crossed Oh dear me! I could write a book entitled 5 vodkas, an ex-marine, and a kitty. I went to have a birthday drink with my career Marine buddy who was 78 yesterday. That drink turned into 5. Then I went to check on the stray that I'm looking after who is incidentally named Sarge after this buddy of mine-both are blind in the right eye. As I'm calling for Sarge, out comes a little gray tiger. She was so hungry but also scared. I scooped her up, probably not very gracefully after the vodkas-I've noticed quite a few nice scratches this morning from last night. She stayed in my home office room last night and left two nicely sized poops near the litter box on the carpet J. She's not a friendly kitty that likes to cuddle-lots of hissing. Poor thing has had a rough life so far. Her ribs are practically poking through. I took her to the vet this morning, but I haven't figured out what her name is yet. I'm awaiting the FeLV test. So keep your fingers crossed-for the test and for my marriage! Haven't told my husband yet! I might board the kitty over the weekend in hopes that I find homes for my two foster cats. That would assuage my husband. I need to make room (we have 3 of our own permanent cats) before I take in more. We have a 5-cat rule. But does a kitten (about 12 weeks old) count as a full cat? J Hoping for the best. Melissa Lind
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maybe name the cat Vodka or the name of a vodka mixture--martini If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 7:52 PM Subject: Re: new kitty, fingers crossed Melissa, I would comment on having too much Vodka but I would probably leave the PG rating. :) Have a good weekend! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 3:30 PM Subject: RE: new kitty, fingers crossed Very funny! J I hope my husband sees it as funny as well! We always have a chuckle over the growing number of kitties but not after a lot of grief in the meantime! I know he's going to be frustrated-as am I since our house is too small for more cats, but a kitten is so tiny, it surely won't take up much space! I hate keeping things from him, but this little girl might be a secret this weekend-unless I have too many vodkas again! Then who knows what will happen! Melissa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 1:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: new kitty, fingers crossed Yes, unfortunately kittens @ 12 weeks count as cats. My boyfriend has the rule Every set of pointy ears is this house is considered a cat, regardless if it lives under the bed.. Yes,folks, I even asked But what if we never SEE the cat, it lives under the bed, couch, etc No luck. However, when he used to work out of town a lot, I would ALWYS bring home a cat or 2. SometimesI wouldn'tget to talk to him for 2 weeks or so, since he would be out in the field (on a dig) in Mexico or in the west Texas dessert, no cell phone reception. I always hoped that he wouldn't recognize the new cat(s). W/kittens I always tried to foster litters that all lookedalike, so that he MIGHT not be able to count them. THAT got blown outta the water when he was sitting on the couch one night and 3 little orage tabbies ran over him, one right after the other, chasing each others' tails. It was like that scene outta the Simpson's episode where the dog has puppies..Do..! Good luck w/your new kitty, Melissa, we all feel your pain.. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 8:52 AM Subject: new kitty, fingers crossed Oh dear me! I could write a book entitled 5 vodkas, an ex-marine, and a kitty. I went to have a birthday drink with my career Marine buddy who was 78 yesterday. That drink turned into 5. Then I went to check on the stray that I'm looking after who is incidentally named Sarge after this buddy of mine-both are blind in the right eye. As I'm calling for Sarge, out comes a little gray tiger. She was so hungry but also scared. I scooped her up, probably not very gracefully after the vodkas-I've noticed quite a few nice scratches this morning from last night. She stayed in my home office room last night and left two nicely sized poops near the litter box on the carpet J. She's not a friendly kitty that likes to cuddle-lots of hissing. Poor thing has had a rough life so far. Her ribs are practically poking through. I took her to the vet this morning
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This is true, but when the saliva dries the virus dies. The virus is very fragile. When I brought in my first positive cat I didn't know she was positive and she was mixed with about ten other cats. One was a kitten that was for all purposes her 'littermate'. They groomed each other etc. My positive lived to be about 7 and I still have her littermate years later. Water bowls would be the best bet for transmission, but transmission just doesn't occur with adult, vaccinated cats very easily. tonya Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought felv could be transmitted through saliva, like preening, water bowls (staying wet) or litterboxes. fiv transmits through deep puncture wounds. Correct me if I am wrong. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:56 PM Subject: Re: New to group; Questions On 8/21/07, Forgotten Souls wrote: Good evening, all! Hi there! How long does the virus actually survive in the environment? Very short time. The saying here is when it dries, it dies. How contagious and easily does the virus actually transmit from an affected cat? It is extremely difficult to transmit to a healthy adult cat. Main modes of transmission are deep bite wounds and nursing. Healthy adult cats have ~85% immunity to the virus. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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I guess that is a better safe than sorry route to take. But I take my leukemia positive cat to the vet's office and all they do is throw a towel over her cover so that she doesn't sneeze on anyone. The rule of thumb has always been when the virus dries, it dies. This means that it only lasts a matter of minutes. I suppose it might last longer in a water dish, but I'm thinking there's enough chlorine in average tap water to kill the virus if you change the dish frequently. That's what I've been told. Many people on this list keep positive cats and negative cats all integrated together but the negatives have been vaccinated. tonya Angela Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All! This is Ang. You helped me thru a very hard time on Tuesday with the passing of my kitty, Boy. I just read the message from Melody and I just wanted to share with everyone that my vet told me yesterday, when I had Ripley and Sherman to the vet, that clothes should be washed, hardwood floors should be bleached/scrubbed and all fabric should be washed. Couch and chair cushions should be washed by hand with hot water and disinfectant. I have also learned that food bowls, water bowls and litter boxes should be thrown out. They say that the virus can live outside the body for 3 hours, but I would rather be safe than sorry. Ang Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Melody! First, I want to say thanks so much for wanting to help a felv+cat, people who decide to bring one knowingly into their lives seem to be few far between. I have 5 now, and I also have many felv- cats, many of those are chronically ill w/other ailments or geriatric. Meaning, they already have compromised immune systems and I have to be very careful not to expose them to felv. So, I recommend 2 things, not allowing them to playunder the door w/each other (good to get a flap that can prevent this) and always wash your hands after handling your felv+ cat. It is a very delicate virus, so I do not believe you need to change your clothes after you spend time w/your felv+ cat. I don't change my clothes, but if I did I would have to do it several times per day. There are others on this list who might advise you to change your clothes, I don't know. Ask your vet for his /her opinion, also. This brings up another question, are you comfortable w/your vet's knowledge of felv..? Discoveries are being made quite frequently about this disease, so it is good to have a vet that is well informed and who keeps up w/all the new medical developments. I also recommend the standard immune boosters, L-Lysine, for sure, and I also use a product called Missing Link,but I get the Professional Strength formula, which is by prescription (vet). I also sprinkle Nutritional Yeast onto my cats' dry food, which is loaded w/B vitamins. These above products are also good for your felv- cats also, it wouldn't hurt them that's for sure to have some supplements. I would invest in a high quality dry food, I use Innova Evo mixed w/Wellness Core only for my felv+ cats. My felv- cats get predominantly the above foods, but if I have a coupon or find a good sale on Nutro, Iams or Blue Buffalo I will mix a bit into their food bin to help stretch the kitty budget. They also like these brands, and they think they are getting a real treat when I mix them in... :) You are correct about dedicated food bowls, I always run mine through the dishwasher, which would kill any germs but my felv+ cats have their own bowls dishes regardless. Bedding should not be shared, either, just to be safe., and my felv+ have their own litterboxes also. (I use a different typeof box altogether for them, that way I know when I see them they are for felv+). Since my washer / dryer area is in my felv- cats' room, I never pull the laundry from the felv+suite and leave it anywhere my felv- can lay on it, just to be safe. It goes directly into the washer, and I use an environmentally friendly detergent (7th Generation) but I do use bleach. I hear that 7th Generation also has a bleach product, but I have yet to find time to hunt it down.. :) My cats also have the Drinkwell systems, in both areas. I have 2 fountains that are dedicated to the felv+ alone, and they get switched out every 2 weeks. I also never clean both areas on the same day, just to be sure I do not mix any bowls, beds or Drinkwells. Does that make sense? I hope this helps you! Please let us know how things go and if you have anyone questions! Thanks! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
