Re: Optical Audio Port continuously lit up on PowerMac G5 = NO internal speaker output = NO chime
On Nov 1, 2011, at 7:44 PM, Jack Countryman wrote: On the machine I have here, that's a square shaped, digital out port. Yes, that's the correct port. There's no light on it or the similar looking port below it. Should be red. I don't have anything that uses those ports, so do not know if they work Probably doesn't work. The light is the way this port communicates, it's a optical digital audio out port. Since I built this machine from parts of others that were trashed in various ways, so its possible that those ports do not work on this machine. Possible, and likely. What sort of cable or device hooks to those ports? An optical digital cable. It's a fiber-optic cable. If I knew, and had one, then I could check to see if they work? Probably not, unless you have something that can accept optical digital audio output? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 runnaway fans
On Oct 31, 2011, at 12:34 PM, Clark Martin wrote: Does anyone know if my RAM and HDD swap would do this? Spotlight re-indexing the HDDs? Spotlight re-indexing will show as mdworker in the Activity Monitor processes list, and often it can be a runaway process. Next time it happens, open Activity Monitor and sort by CPU usage to see what's hogging the CPU and causing the situation. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Old Machine bests New Machine?
On Oct 28, 2011, at 2:27 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Model Name: iMac Model Identifier: iMac4,1 Processor Name: Intel Core Duo There's a fix for this underpowered iMac problem, it's called the iMac4,1 Firmware Tool, and it can allow you to upgrade the RAM and CPU in these older iMacs. The iMac4,1 came with a 32-bit only Core Duo with maximum 2GB RAM. By running the iMac4,1 Firmware Tool you can upgrade the firmware to iMac5,1 while will correctly identify 64-bit Core 2 Duo CPUs and remove the 2GB RAM limitation. I think this is a fantastic upgrade to save an older iMac, and in this case, seems to be exactly what you need. Order a new (used) Core 2 Duo CPU and some more RAM, run this tool, and upgrade your hardware, your new iMac5,1 will be as fast or faster than your G5. Here's info: http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,1122.0.html -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 10.5.8 Update Stuck in Configuring Installation for 12 Hours
On Oct 26, 2011, at 11:02 AM, t...@io.com wrote: Configuring Installation I believe Configuring Installation is prior to installation, not during, so hopefully you're ok. Leopard 10.5 normally updates after completing most of a Shutdown process, so it's possible some app stalled the update process. Software Update is smarter than it used to be, the downloaded software should still be ready to install, and if you reboot and then Shutdown again it should tell you there's software to install, and start again without needing to download it all again. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Leopard/G4: Unwanted captions and duplication in menus
On Oct 27, 2011, at 6:44 PM, Sean Carroll wrote: Thank you, Bruce! Problem solved. Great catch! I love it when someone solves an issue that they haven't really had direct experience with. It's like a good puzzle solution. Few of us here have much experience with Universal Access features, so this one deserves special commendation: GOLD STAR Bruce! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Slow Motion G4 After HDD Switch
On Oct 26, 2011, at 5:54 PM, glen wrote: Cause of the problem? Since the problem happens when booted in both OS 9 OS X, it's unlikely to be a software issue. You need to be thinking about hardware problems. Zapping the PRAM isn't always enough, you may need to reset the NVRAM by booting Cmd-Opt-O-F and typing: set-defaultsReturn reset-allReturn where Return means hit the Return key. Reply should be ok to the 1st command, and a restart to the 2nd command. One thing that dramatically effects speed is the L2 cache. If the L2 cache isn't functional, the speed will be REALLY slow. The Sawtooth has a 1MB L2 integrated into the G4 module. If the L2 goes bad, you would normally see a warning when booting OS 9, and in OS X System Profiler I believe a bad L2 is shown as no L2 or 0MB? Bad RAM, or a bad HD, are other possibilities, but whatever it is, since it's happening while booted in both OS 9 and OS X, it's highly likely it's a hardware issue assuming that you've zapped the PRAM and reset the NVRAM. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: what is this card....
On Oct 25, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Jonathan Smith wrote: I have just acquired a G5 Powermac 2.5 GHz (june 2004). I booted her up and was intrigued to see if it had either the airport extreme or bluetooth optional extra, system profiler reckoned not. On inspection of the inside, I have found a rather small card, screwed onto the MB which looks suspiciously like a wifi or blue tooth card. I think the card you're looking at is some type of dummy card that fills the spot the real card uses. It likely has few or no chips on it, and simply completes some circuit? If you get the real card, it will have connection points for those two antenna wires, but you'll also need the two tiny antenna that fit on the back of the G5, a stubby Bluetooth, and a T Airport antenna. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: multiple iPhoto Versions on the same startup volume?
On Oct 24, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: just curious mostly, it's too bad that the ilife software can't be installed in the user/ applications instead of system/applications so that I could install whatever version I wanted to on another user I've often wished that I could wipe a user off the computer and have all of that users info, apps, virtually every stitch removed from that particular user off of that computer? Is there a way of only installing apps etc in the user only without touching the rest of the computer? The iPhoto Library data is stored in the ~User/Pictures/iPhoto Library file, so this means that even though the iPhoto application is a System application, the various different ~User libraries are only accessible by their own specific ~User, and when you wipe a user off the computer the specific iPhoto library associated with that ~User will be wiped off the computer. iPhoto is bloatware in that it contains many GBs of various different templates for the types of books cards that Apple sells if you want to create a photo album from your pictures. If you've started at the earliest version of iPhoto and upgraded sequentially, I believe each year's templates are retained and added to, so the size of all these various templates can be substantial. If you don't plan to order books or photo albums from Apple you can delete templates to save HD space. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: USB Drive Issues
If you're using this drive straight out-of-the-box, meaning it's formatted Windows FAT and has the Windows software still installed on the drive, you probably should wipe the HD clean and repartition format the HD using Disk Utility. These USB HDs that come pre- installed with Windows software often cause problems, the SanDisk thumb drives with their U3 software is infamous this way, and your drive appears to have similar auto backup or auto launch Windows software pre-installed, which is useless to your Mac, and can only cause problems. The MDD only came with USB 1.1 (12 mbps) USB ports, so you need to buy a USB 2.0 PCI card (400 mbps) to get high-speed operation out of this HD. Virtually everything is USB 2.0 now, and I've had problems in the past mixing newer USB 2.0 peripherals with older USB 1.1 ports - they're supposed to be backwards compatible, but USB is so flakey already that mixing different versions isn't a good idea. If the HD has been re-partitioned and formated to Mac (or Windows FAT if you need a drive that can mount on both Macs PCs) and you're still having problems, before jumping to the conclusion the HD is failing, you might look at the chipset of the USB bridge and see if there's any kind of firmware updates available (look in System Profiler under USB while directly connected for VID PID #'s). Some USB chipsets are known to have problems and there are firmware updates for a few. This isn't a likely solution, but the idea your HD is failing is probably less likely. Get a USB 2.0 PCI card first, make sure the HD is clean formated for Mac use, check for new firmware, and only then think the HD might be failing. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrade video card on G5 PowerMac quad
On Oct 16, 2011, at 6:06 AM, gramps wrote: It has the original nVidia GeForce 6600 w/256 GDDR ram PCI x. I believe this is a PCIe card? I'm not certain why you're looking for a new card, but the options for PPC cards are fairly limited, and probably won't result in much higher performance. I'd stick with the OEM card and save your money for a newer Intel Mac. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dropbox on a Mac
On Oct 22, 2011, at 2:32 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: (well, presuming Dropbox doesn't screw up again, and given this interview with the founder, I suspect it won't do that again. http://www.forbes.com/sites/victoriabarret/2011/10/18/dropbox-the-inside-story-of-techs-hottest-startup/ The kid does seem to have a head on his shoulders.) I don't understand the first paragraph of the article: Here’s that rare Steve Jobs story, one that’s never been told, about the company that got away. Jobs had been tracking a young software developer named Drew Houston, who blasted his way onto Apple’s radar screen when he reverse-engineered Apple’s file system so that his startup’s logo, an unfolding box, appeared elegantly tucked inside. Not even an Apple SWAT team had been able to do that. This makes no sense to me, Apple's file system so his startup's logo appeared? Where does any logo appear in a file system? And Apple SWAT team, what's that? Unless someone has a plausible explanation, I'm assuming this is simply a business reporter trying to cover a tech subject he knows nothing about. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Pesky hardware problem
On Oct 18, 2011, at 2:47 AM, QuoVadis wrote: I'm not sure how the 1.42GHz eMac would handle this, but IIRC it also has the 9200 onboard, with 32MB of RAM I believe. The 9200 (although it supports CoreImage) is just not fast enough to handle YouTube properly. Correct. My 1.42 GHz Mini, which I've overclocked to 1.58 GHz is too slow to handle YouTube properly. I also have a 700 MHz eMac which does about as well as the 1.58 GHz Mini. My belief is that the bottleneck is indeed to video card in both of these. They both have only 32 MB VRAM. I have several old 7500 Beige G3 that are upgraded with 450 MHz G4 CPUs and 64 MB Radeon 8500 PCI cards, and these slower older Macs do just about as well with YouTube, perhaps even better sometimes, so the CPU speed isn't the problem. Having a faster video card with twice the VRAM helps a lot, but unfortunately there's no way to upgrade the video card on either the Mini or the eMac, so they're permanently hobbled. Here's one sad observation. Windows PCs that are really slow seem to handle YouTube and other streaming video much better than Macs running OS X. I've had 700 MHz P3 PCs with only 8 MB Radeon cards handle YouTube BETTER than my Mini which theoretically is about 4x faster all around. It seems this is something specific to the operating system or more likely the video drivers being optimized, because Ubuntu Linux is also slower on the PC. You should be able to boot an Ubuntu Linux PPC Live CD on an eMac just to see how it handles YouTube within Firefox. I don't think it would be any better than OS X. I think you're stuck needing a newer Mac with better video capabilities, which generally means an Intel Mac, although PPC G5s and G4s with better video cards should do fine with YouTube. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Authenticate Moving Files to USB Drive
On Oct 18, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Michael McMurtrey wrote: Seems to me i did not have this issue when I first connected the USB drive. How do I eliminate the necessity to authenticate the move every time I try to save a file to the USB drive? Highlight the drive, and do a Get Info and under the Sharing Permissions tab, check the box Ignore Ownership on this volume. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Pesky hardware problem
On Oct 17, 2011, at 10:00 AM, Don Wakefield wrote: I am currently running Leopard on my eMac, Leopard is about 15-20% slower on PPC Macs than Tiger according to benchmark tests like xBench or GeekBench (you can check either archive of test results to see actual numbers). and I have been told to run hardware checkup from the original startup disk. Good idea. I have been experiencing a variety of nagging irritations with regard to video playback of Youtube files recently. Thinking it was Flash, I switched to HTML5 but the recent stuttering still persists. Cable company claims to be giving me a higher speed than my Broadband Reports tests show and that may indeed be the problem, but you can't fight city hall! Their techs say their test is correct, I am receiving over 8 meg down and since that should be able to take anything Youtube could send they point the finger at my graphics card and that is where the hardware test comes in. Your eMac may be too slow with Leopard, and booting from an external Firewire HD will be slightly slower than an internal HD, but not a lot. If you have time, transferring the HD or reverting back to using the internal HD might help a tiny bit. When I inserted my original Panther disk, restarted, and depressed the option key, eventually what looked like a boot loader appeared. It showed me several locations of bootable files on various drives. --- I have an old Tiger on the internal 80Gig, the current Leopard on an external 250Gig firewire, and now Panther and hardware checkup icons from the cd in my drive bay. They show up in a line on an otherwise basically grey blank screen. This is normal behavior. At this point I can find no way to indicate which of these devices I wish to select. I have tried the arrow keys, clicking the mouse which has turned into a clock face rather than the usual arrow, pushed the tab key, and I have also tried including the option key and most other keys and nothing seems to allow a selection. The big indicating arrow under you selection never appears. Sounds like a bad keyboard perhaps? Another possibility is corrupted PRAM or NVRAM. Zap the PRAM by holding the Cmd-Opt-P-R keys at startup for several chimes and then you should reset the NVRAM by booting holding the Cmd-Opt-O-F keys, and then at the Open Firmware prompt, type: set-defaultsReturn reset-allReturn where Return means hit the Return key. It should respond ok to the 1st command, and restart at the 2nd command. Is the fact that the mouse arrow is a clock face telling me the system is locked in a loop and not ready to offer me a selection choice? I have had it grind with the watch for over 10 minutes without ever returning to the arrow. (I can't believe it should take that long to settle down.) Again, reset the NVRAM and see if that helps. If not, try another keyboard. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: USB 3.0? drivers?
On Oct 15, 2011, at 10:51 AM, John Carmonne wrote: I got the PXHCD.kext. and upon dropping it in the system/library/ extensions folder I get a dialogue box that says it's improperly installed. Is there a method to install it? You need to repair the ownership permissions before it will work. You can do this manually using Terminal (a hassle for most people), or do it semi-manually using something like BatChmod (drag drop into the open BatChmod window, check the box Apply to enclosed folders files and set the Owner Group to root wheel(the permissions should be right already (RWX,RX,RX). The hackintosh GUI method would be to use an application such as Kext Helper B7, or Kext Wizard to install the kext. You can get either if these apps at http://www.kexts.com/. They're both simple to use GUI with drag drop ability. Kext Helper sometimes has to be Force Quit, Kext Wizard has an automatic updater which is nice. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: USB 3.0? drivers?
On Oct 15, 2011, at 4:59 PM, John Carmonne wrote: The Mac Pro I don't think has a Molex plug anywhere to leach off of. A Y-cable adapter is the normal solution. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 10.3.9 hacking
On Oct 15, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Andrew Owen wrote: They're just graphics. They're not CPU dependent. This is interesting. I thought they were normally built against certain other dependencies on other kexts, and that often newer kexts wouldn't load if the kexts it was dependent upon were too old. Are you certain these are actually loading? Do they show in Terminalkextstat? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: non ECC RAM?
John Carmonne wrote: I have a 2009 2.66 Quad Nehalem. We may have discussed this before, but I think this is the model that you can upgrade to the 2010 firmware and significantly increase the bus if you get faster RAM? I think this would be worthwhile, the faster RAM is probably cheaper than what you're using now, and you'd be ready for a CPU upgrade if you ever felt it was necessary. See this: http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/05/firmware-hack-can-transform-a-2009-mac-pro-into-a-12-core-monster.ars -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: No Startup, just an endlessly repeating chime
Bruce Johnson wrote: Have you tried a different keyboard? If the KB is fried, who knows what signals it's sending to the computer My thought exactly, this sounds like a bad keyboard to me. Roger Dale wrote: You still have it plugged to UPC? If so, Try plugging it straight to wall. Possible UPC Failure... :) This is also a good idea, I've had a bad UPC that cycled. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 10.3.9 hacking
On Oct 14, 2011, at 9:48 AM, Andrew Owen wrote: Hi folks, I've just stepped over from the Panther list, which is a little slow these days. I'm in the process of hacking 10.3.9 on my G4 Mac mini to be a little more current. So far I've dropped in the graphics from Lion. I've now moved on to updating the UNIX tools, starting with GCC. I'm aiming to get some slightly more recent software working under X11. If anyone is interested I'd be happy to continue posting about my progress. I don't get it? Why are you 'hacking' Panther when both Tiger Leopard will run on all the G4 Minis? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Insane Apple mail problem
On Oct 10, 2011, at 4:47 AM, jbeque...@tconl.com wrote: OK, had a system crash, archived and installed back to Sys 10.5.8 with Apple mail 3.6 and now cannot communicate with my to year old server mail system. Have called the provider with 2 different answers. I understand (I hope) that each change in the server list requires a restart, but cannot get through. I can log onto web email for the account. My question: do I need to delete preferences for a clean start? will it help? Secondly, is there a way to get my mail from the old System folder? OS 10.5.8, dual 1.8 g5, 4 gigs ram, lots of hard drive I think you made your own problems by possibly jumping the gun for the full reinstall. Normally the process for a non-booting System would be: 1) try a Safe Boot by holding Shift key at startup. 2) Boot alternate disk, partition, or disc and run Disk UtilityRepair Disk. 3) reinstall the latest Combo Update, in this case the 10.5.8 Combo Update. Only as a last resort should you reinstall the whole System software. Now that you've gone this route, you'll probably have to mess around with this for a long time. I've always avoided the Archive Reinstall method, and rather opted for a clean reinstall on an alternate HD and then transfer all the accounts and data with Migration Assistant. You'll probably have to manually find your old mail files, and old mail preferences now, a real hassle. I wish I could help, and I have done this before, but I can't remember what I did (other than transfer files folders from the archived system into the new system). You've got a lot of work to do now. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sad day...
On Oct 8, 2011, at 4:21 PM, Joshua Juran wrote: Yup, the enormous 512x512 icons didn't ship until 10.5 Leopard, when Apple was promoting resolution independence. The 512x512 icon is only used on the TextEdit app itself, the TextEdit created documents still use the tiny icons. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Poor Airport reception
On Oct 6, 2011, at 5:23 PM, faithie999 wrote: i believe the airport extreme built-in antenna is designed in a way that results in excellent signal transmission UPWARDS but not so good DOWNWARDS. can you put the extreme on the first floor? If the antenna is directional it would be easier to flip the Airport unit upside-down than to move it to the first floor. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: TenFourFox
On Oct 1, 2011, at 7:35 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: I recently installed the upgrade of TenFourFox (7.0) on my Mac G4 running Tiger (10.4.11). TenFourFox is telling me that I need to install the Flash Player Plugin TenFourFox no longer supports plugins. If you need Flash, you'll need to use Camino or some other browser that supports plugins. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: TenFourFox
On Oct 1, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Peter wrote: Thank you foe the tip, Larry. I didn't know it was possible to enable them. Ditto on that, thanks! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Poor Airport reception
On Sep 30, 2011, at 2:21 AM, QuoVadis wrote: I have one of those 802.11g dongles, but the problem is that it connects via USB 1.1. So any advances in speed I do have are cancelled out by the slow USB port. A USB 2 PCI card would be a good investment for an old QS because you'll get the higher speed on everything else, such as external HDs, attached printers, etc. I'd get the card and try the 802.11g USB dongle. There are plenty of cheap cards on eBay, or ask on the LEM-Swap list with a WTB. I bet you could sell the 802.11b Airport card and buy the USB 2 PCI card and make a profit? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OSX: cloning or ex-novo?
On Sep 29, 2011, at 9:49 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote: And what does PCI-X stands for, then? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI-X http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCIe PCI-X is on Early 2005 and before (some early G5 are PCI only). PCIe is on Late 2005 only, the final G5 version. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OSX: cloning or ex-novo?
On Sep 21, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Valter Prahlad wrote: I don't want Leopard. I still need and use some Classic apps, and Leopard killed Classic. You can run MacOS apps in Leopard using SheepShaver: http://sheepshaver.cebix.net/ No need to 'split the baby' by forgoing modern supported browsers that are unavailable for Tiger. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: USB 3.0 pcie card in a late 2005 G5?
On Sep 20, 2011, at 4:20 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: Wow, my new/old late 2005 G5 Leopard machine's gonna have usb 3.0!! woohoo! I don't think you'll see much benefit (over USB 2.0) unless you have an external SSD or a really fast RAID. Also, there are large differences in the performance of various brands of USB 3.0 host controllers. It's another USB mess if you ask me, and I hope Apple can avoid this mess. Think how much better the world would be if Firewire had been the standard rather than USB. We should be supporting Thunderbolt, which is hard considering the lack of Thunderbolt peripherals. USB has to be one of the worst standards of all time in my opinion. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OSX: cloning or ex-novo?
On Sep 20, 2011, at 5:45 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote: I just got a PowerMac G5, DP 2.7 AGP (not PCI-X). Install Leopard on the G5 and use Migration Assistant to transfer accounts data from the Tiger G4. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Geforce 7800 locks up
On Sep 18, 2011, at 12:13 PM, Charles wrote: And is a pull from a Mirror Door Dual 1.25GHz G4 Would I still need to disable those pins? I'm pretty sure the answer is yes. The reason why is because when Apple made the PowerMacs that came with ADC video cards, Apple appropriated pins 3 11 of the AGP slot for non-standard usage of the power required by the ADC monitors. Newer Macs abandoned this non- standard AGP slot. AFAIK when you're taping pins 3 11 of the card, you're really trying to fix a problem with your AGP slot, not your card. I'm surprised it boots at all with the non-standard 28 volt power coming into these pins. I bet taping them correctly will fix your problems. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Geforce 7800 locks up
On Sep 19, 2011, at 12:25 AM, Charles wrote: Yes, my mistake on the model of the card - Somehow I changed the 9 to a 7. Sorry about that. The computer is: Apple Power Macintosh G4 800 DP (Quicksilver) The video card is: 128MB ATI Radeon 9800pro AGP 8x Video Card VGA/ DVI/ TV 109-a07500-00 The only thing to check on this card is the firmware revision to make sure it's the latest. It should be at least version 130. You can check this in System Profiler. You can get the latest firmware here: http://themacelite.wikidot.com/wikidownloads2 I know in the PC world (Linux/Windows) if you have the wrong drivers, you may get 800X600. This is doing 1920X1000+. I didn't install any drivers for it. Drivers normally aren't necessary in OS X because OS X in a monolithic System and generally has all drivers for all supported hardware. OS X wastes HD space having all these extra drivers, but the advantage is you can move a HD, or clone a System, from one Mac to another with different hardware without needing to do anything. Any OS X System should boot on any supported hardware with minimal problems. With it out of the system, I did turn the fan and it was not spinning freely so I spun it with my finger for a while and seemed to loosen up. I'll put it back in and fire it up with the system open so I can see if the fan runs. They place these fans on these cards for a reason. When the fan stops, the card will overheat and you'll start seeing artifacts on the display, and then it will seize up. You may need to replace the fan if you can find a suitable replacement, or get one of those larger fans that fits in a PCI slot if there's a slot near enough to this AGP card to cool it sufficiently. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Geforce 7800 locks up
On Sep 17, 2011, at 3:18 PM, Charles wrote: I just bought a second hand 7800 and installed in my G4 Dual 800. Works fine to begin with but eventually the system locks up. Had to power off and on the reboot - got a lot of skewed random pixels on the screen. I leave it sit for quite some time - boot it back up and everything is great for a while but later locked up again. I put my old (stock) card back in and it runs and runs. Is it possible that these systems don't have adequate ventilation for this hotter card? I did have the aux power connection connected. I don't want to disable one of my CPUs to use this card, kind of defeats the purpose. Any suggestions? Look at this: http://themacelite.wikidot.com/nvidia-geforce-7800 Pay attention to the taping of pins 3 11. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 10.3 doesn't see newer HD?
On Sep 15, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote: Il giorno 15-09-2011 15:06, Geke ha scritto: So I connected a G4 Mac (Snakebite) in target mode to use its DVD drive. AFAIK, Target mode only connect hard drives; never heard (and never seen myself) about optical drives showing up. Optical drives on the built-in ATA bus do mount discs in Target Disk Mode. BTW, what is a Snakebite? :-o Never heard such model MacTracker says it's a dual 500MHz Gigabit Ethernet. But the iBook doesn’t see the DVD or the boot drive in the G4, it sees only the second HD in there, the original one with OS 9 installed. Not seeing the first HD is odd. Is is connected in unusual ways? (PCi card, SCSI...) Is it bigger than 128GB? Bad cable or cable disconnected? If this isn’t possible, I plan to Carbon-copy the DVD onto an external HD with a Firewire port, then do the install with that HD connected to the iBook. I hope that’ll work at least... I think going external is the only way for installing. Either the external HD, or an external DVD player... Another option would be cloning an OSX disk/partition (using CCC) onto the iBook HD in Target mode. I copied my PM G4 OSX partition onto a PowerBook G4 and a PM G5, and it has always worked. Might not be the best way, but it usually works... ;-) Boot the SnakeBite from the DVD and attach the iBook in Target Disk Mode and install directly onto the iBook HD. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Blue screen (of death?)
On Aug 25, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Iamanamma wrote: Any ideas? Use Cmd-v keys at startup to get the verbose dialog to 'see' what the delay is. You can Safe Boot by holding the Shift key which will trash the System boot caches and get you a 'clean' restart, which can often fix a freeze or logjam during boot. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Firewire 400 not working in G5 PowerMac
On Aug 21, 2011, at 5:20 PM, Deiniol ap Deiniol wrote: ...story continues... Well I tried resetting PRAM, and no difference. (I can't find the reset button on my motherboard to do the PMU: I have the take-apart guide stored on another Mac so I'll look at that later). I've also done open firmware reset(does this reset the PMU?) and I STILL have no firewire 400. My FW 400/800 card is recognised, and system Profiler just shows the two FW800 busses - the internal one and the one on the card. I'm still unclear as to why the FW400 part of the card is not coming on stream. After all OSX knows about firewire, so it should just find the card, and it certainly finds the FW800 bits without any fuss. My Griffin PowerWave powers uo from the FW400 port on the card, and, if connected to the FW800 bus via adapter cable, is recognized. I've had similar issues before, with both software and hardware causes. Hardware is always someone tried to insert a FW400 plug upside- down, and since FW400 carries power it shorts out the port permanently and it's dead forever. The software issue is stranger, and I'm not sure of the cause? If you boot in verbose, the Firewire bus is initialized as one of the very first items. It needs to say S400 for speed rather than S100. If is says S100 it won't recognize any FW400 devices. I believe a Safe Boot by holding the Shift key might rebuild System cache files that could possibly be responsible for this issue? Otherwise you might try reinstalling the latest Combo Update and see if that fixes it? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 10.5.8 G4 Won't restart
On Aug 11, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Vince Meghrouni wrote: Sound familiar to anyone? Yes. I've had something similar on my G5 w/10.5.8. It's intermittent, sometimes it shuts down ok, sometimes it stops that a blue screen without any icons, but instead of the beachball I usually have a normal cursor that moves around, but there's nothing to click upon anywhere, and it stays 'stuck' at this stage until I use the Power button to force a shutdown. My guess is that some application is causing this? I suspect Firefox 10.3.19 perhaps? I have my G5 set to verbose startup, and during a normal shutdown I'd see a black screen with shutdown dialog in white, which I never see. When I use the Power button, it does recognize the bad shutdown and resets some parameters, so it seems to me the shutdown is delayed by an application hang most likely, which would also explain the intermittency since I might not have the offending application open during normal shutdowns. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrading to Lion
On Aug 4, 2011, at 7:32 PM, Tina K. wrote: Meaning the OS is 100% 64 bit, or the OS and Apps are 100% 64 bit? I don't think so, but I'm still confused upon this issue? Would someone clarify please? I'd thought that Lion was supposed to be 100% 64-bit, and since my hackintosh laptop (as well as many real Mac models) uses the Intel X3100 graphics chipset, and the X3100 is 32-bit only, I thought this meant no Lion for the X3100. If you boot normally (64-bit) the X3100 is indeed without any acceleration and works poorly, but if you add the kernel boot flag to for 32-bit operation then the 32-bit X3100 kexts load and you get full acceleration. When booted 64-bit kextstat shows 84 kexts loaded, but when booted with the 32-bit flag there were 99 kexts loaded, so 15 more kexts under 32-bit. Obviously there is still 32-bit operation under Lion, but perhaps many of the apps don't run as 32-bit? As I said, I'm new to Lion and confused about this issue also. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ------ adding a pci-e video card to a g5 mac
On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:48 PM, imrazor wrote: I think your options are going to be very limited *adding* a video card. I agree. Very limited options. Any PPC Mac is going to need a card with a Mac PPC ROM (BIOS). You may be able to flash the ROM on some PC specific cards to convert them to Mac PPC, look at MacElite forums for ROMs. Upgrading the card would be easier than adding another card, but again, it would be cheaper to flash a PC-card than buy a Mac PPC card. If you need three or more monitors, it may be time for a new Intel Mac? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Slow start-up on MDD FW800
On Jul 22, 2011, at 10:54 PM, Hal wrote: Any ideas? Safe boot holding the Shift key, then restart normally. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PowerMac G5 Quits
On Jul 18, 2011, at 2:08 PM, James Morgan wrote: My G5 just shuts down and restarts itself. And often freezes up. Does this sound like a faulty power supply to you folks? When my G5's power supply died, it was dead, no more restarts. You can smell a bad power supply, it smells like burnt electronics. You can get a pinout diagram and test the power with a multimeter set on voltage. It's bad if any line that should have voltage doesn't. The pinout is here if you want to test: http://www.applefritter.com/node/6561 G5s are known to have issues with intermittent shutdowns and restarts. You might look at this for some ideas: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/systems/Dual_Core_G5_Shutdowns.html Resetting the SMU might be a good idea: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1436 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Latest version of Skype that will work with Tiger
On Jul 14, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Jörg wrote: I tried to update to the latest Skype version which still supports Tiger but it failed to start. Skype is now Intel only with all the v5 series. My current older version is 2.8.0.851. Even this version doesn't launch on my PPC G5. I use v.2.8.0.722 as the last version that launches on my G5. I filed bug reports about v. 2.8.0.851, 2.8.0.863, 2.8.0.866 NOT launching on my PPC G5 under 10.5.8 and this was confirmed by others. If you have a G3 CPU the final version of Skype that supports the G3 CPU is v.2.7.0.330. You can get old versions at http://mac.oldapps.com/. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Beige Tower Questions
On Jul 12, 2011, at 10:06 AM, t...@io.com wrote: Or find one of the serial ATA cards, so you may get an inexpensive modern drive. Another option is buying a cheap Firewire PCI card and booting from an external Firewire HD which is relatively fast and cheap. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will all serial to usb adapters work in OS X?
On Jul 6, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: Will all serial to USB adapters Just work in OS X (Tiger)?? Since many adapters need extensions provided by their manufacturer, for example, the common Prolific Logic PL-2303 used for USB-to-serial mobile phone cables; or the FTDI FT232 USB-to-serial chip used in many PS2/DIN9 serial adapters, it would seem evident the answer is no. However, I may be talking about the reverse of what you're asking about, I'm talking about USB-to-serial (from USB port on Mac to serial adapter), and you said serial-to-USB (serial port on Mac to USB port) which I've never seen. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Format problem
On Jul 4, 2011, at 9:43 PM, Charles Davis wrote: Have a 500GB Newer Tech External HD that HAS been in use as a FAT formatted HD. Need to re-format to use Apple Partition Map HOW, every conceivable way that I can imagine using 'Disk Utility' will NOT eliminate the FAT partition map. In Disk Utility highlight the HD itself, not the partition. Select the tab Partition and then select the Volume Scheme for how many partitions you require (normally one). Then on the Options... button below select Apple Partition Map and give the partition(s) a name(s) and under Format select Mac OS Extended (Journaled). You can fiddle with the sizes if you have more than one partition. When you're done, press the Apply button below and wait for it to finish. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mysterious communications between two G5s
On Jul 4, 2011, at 11:02 PM, Tom wrote: Can anyone enlighten me on what's going on here? I believe the 2nd Mac that says Another Mac is already running this program is telling you that it's trying to launch the same copy of the program, meaning the copy resident upon the 1st Mac. You need to delete the Dock icon from the 2nd Mac and add it again by dragging and dropping the actual application resident upon the 2nd Mac, now it should launch while the 1st Mac is also running its own resident copy. The reason this is happening is you must have file sharing enabled in the System PreferencesSharingFile Sharing. You probably want to have this enabled to transfer things between Macs. I think you just got a wrong alias icon somehow and it's launching the copy on the other Mac. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mysterious communications between two G5s
On Jul 4, 2011, at 11:11 PM, Brielle Bruns wrote: DRM/Copy protection. The most common way programs do this, is to send out a notice on the LAN when they start, and see if another computer responds to the request. If it does, they compare serial numbers, and refuse to run if they have matching serial numbers that only allow one use. Some listen for broadcast traffic on a specific port, others may use multicast. If this is true, then won't Little Snitch stop this cold? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD Can not find Boot Disk
On Jul 2, 2011, at 8:59 AM, gifutiger wrote: AFAIK the Boot ROM Version 4.4.8f2 is the latest version for this platform, however it might have problems, so if anyone has knowledge of how to redo the Boot ROM I'm willing to give it a try. It seems more likely the PRAM battery is dead. I'd get a new PRAM battery and see if that fixes things? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Intel Mac PPC apps
On Jul 2, 2011, at 2:48 PM, Tina K. wrote: Thank you for that tidbit of information, I was Intel-less until just this year so my knowledge regarding the Intel transition is limited. Here's the deal: Tiger 10.4 - Two separate versions: one pure PPC System, one pure Intel System. Some of the software is universal (meaning contains both PPC Intel code which will work on both architectures, but is also much larger bloated in size). Leopard 10.5 - One single universal System only under which all software runs on both PPC Intel Macs. 32-bit only. This is the transitional System from PPC architecture to Intel architecture. A Leopard 10.5 HD with GUID partition format can boot both PPC Intel Macs manufactured prior to Snow Leopard 10.6 release. Normally PPC Macs use Apple partition format HDs, while Intel Macs use GUID partition format HDs. GUID HDs can boot on both PPC Intel Macs under Leopard 10.5, but normally a PPC HD would be Apple partition format. Snow Leopard 10.6 - Intel-only hybrid kernel that works with either 32- bit or 64-bit applications. This is the transitional System from 32- bit applications to 64-bit applications. Lion 10.7 - Intel-only 64-bit-only architecture. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Startup Sequence
On Jun 29, 2011, at 1:03 PM, Doug McNutt wrote: Try that with Apple's bug reporter. If you didn't file the bug you can't see it. Apple is like the Wizard of Oz, they do everything behind a big black curtain, and then sell the end result as if it's magic. Ubuntu has everything out in the open. Apple is like high fashion, Ubuntu is like scrubs. Scrubs are getting fancier, with floral prints and different colors, but they're still scrubs, and will never be high fashion. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Startup Sequence
On Jun 28, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Iamanamma wrote: Beige G3, OS 8.6. This isn't the 1990's. Hassles like you're experiencing is the universe's way of telling you it's time to upgrade your system. His Beige can run 10.4.11 w/XPostFacto, and a simple Safe Boot would solve your issue in OS X, but honestly, better hardware is cheap or free if you're lucky. As for the issue, I'd trash some preference file, but I don't know exactly which one? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Startup Sequence
On Jun 28, 2011, at 1:58 PM, Doug McNutt wrote: Form a Mac 8500 running OS 9.1 where the MPW shell still works. My new machine runs ubuntu. One foot in the past, one foot in the future. You're balanced in the present. Sometimes it's better not to be grounded in the present. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Reinstalling OS 10 on a Beige G3
On Jun 25, 2011, at 9:14 AM, skyking...@verizon.net wrote: When I try to boot back into OS 9 (which is on my other drive) after the OS X installation hangs up following the first disc, it hangs at the happy Mac icon. The only way for me to get back to OS 9 is to boot from the OS 9 CD or a Norton Utilities CD. It should boot any valid OS 9 System by holding the Option key at boot time. Believe me, I'd much rather run Tiger, and that is the goal. But my Tiger install disc is an upgrade version which requires the computer to already have Panther on it. You may convert the upgrade DVD into a full install DVD: http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2007/12/12791/ Read the comments for Tiger info. I'm just completely baffled and frustrated by this problem. I installed and ran Tiger (10.4.11) on this computer, which has a Sonnett G4 500 MHz processor, for months -- years -- without any issues until recently. In fact, it was the most reliable computer I've ever owned. I simply cannot understand why it has gone bad. And now, following this last attempt, my USB card has quit working, even with all the USB extensions loading. Beige are flakey and difficult. I once had one I had to strip down to NOTHING except a optical drive and RAM to get a CD to boot. Then I added back a HD and finally installed. VERY frustrating. I'd recommend remembering to install an L2 cache enabler such as Sonnet Cache as quickly as possible because no L2 will make the boot process unbearably slow. I feel your frustration, I always felt like the Beige was a house of cards. Now my house of cards is a hackintosh, and it's nearly a frustrating sometimes, but the speed is way better than any Beige. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Verify/Repair Fail, Drive Genius also Fails
On Jun 24, 2011, at 1:34 PM, smac0031 wrote: This is a 300GB drive. Reading Drive Genius shows this thing to have screwed up block allocation. I think it says it has 127GB and change capacity. This is an LBA48 error, you've got a controller that only supports up to 128GB and a larger HD. This should be fixable. What's the model of the Mac? You can do the LBA48 firmware patch to fix this: http://nanchatte.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/128gb-large-hdd-lba48-support-on-the-g4-cube-with-leopard/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Reinstalling OS 10.3 on a Beige G3
On Jun 24, 2011, at 9:26 PM, skyking...@verizon.net wrote: I'm trying to re-install OS X on my Beige G3 using XPostFacto. The hard drive I'm trying to install on is an 8.5 GB SCSI drive which I had previously installed 10.3 on and upgraded to 10.4.11 and ran for months with no problems until lately. The built-in SCSI isn't such a good idea in comparison to the built-in ATA. The only advantage the SCSI has is lacking the 1st 8GB partition rule, and that's easy enough to bypass on the ATA using XPF's Helper Disk Boot Option. I think the SCSI is slower and more problematic in OS X than the ATA, but... it should work if necessary. The computer reboots from the DVD drive with no problem, and installation proceeds normally from the first CD. But then the computer will not restart so that installation from CDs 2 and 3 can proceed. What's going on? Have I forgotten or overlooked something? How do I get this computer to complete the installation process? You have to install the XPF extensions onto the newly installed OS X System software because the initial installation is clean or vanilla. The easiest way to do this is boot OS 9.x and use XPF to Install Everything onto the newly installed OS X System, then use XPF to select the new System as the startup partition, and reboot. I'd also recommend setting the XPF Options to Input device:keyboard, Output device:monitor(or your Radeon card), and check the verbose flag. Should restart and ask for the 2nd disc. If I were you I'd forget about Panther, and start over with Tiger. Tiger 10.4.11 runs fine, and is faster and MUCH better supported by current applications than Panther. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help restoring contents of drive to newer computer
On Jun 22, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Dan A wrote: Hi all, I need some help to clarify the best procedure to use to restore the contents of an internal drive to a new place. My old G4 15” 800 MHz Ti-Book, using 10.4.11, developed bouts of severe screen disruption with lines, which I think might be due to the cable going trom computer to screen, being pinched or perhaps it’s the video card. Seems like a cable, because a visiting daughter tilted the screen while using it and things went bad from there... but I’m not looking to fix it... instead, I want to restore the entire backed up contents to a “new” 15” 1.64 GHz PB which will have a clean install of 10.4 in it from the seller, which I’ll upgrade to 10.5 after the restoration. Here is the situation that I’m working with: I have been doing daily backups of the 800MHz using SuperDuper to an external 1TB firewire drive. Even though SuperDuper has been finishing each backup making the TB drive bootable, it actually isn’t. I have to use another way to get SuperDuper to restore the backed-up data to the 1.67 book. I cannot find, at this time, the SuperDuper disk to install into the 1.67. But I do have SuperDuper on a working 17” 1.33 MHz G4 PB which also happens to be connected to the same 1 TB firewire drive. Can I just add/connect the new 15 PB directly to the same I TB drive via a FW cable, theres an open port on the TB drive, and ask Super Duper on the 17 to restore the back-up on TB to the new 15? Sorry for all the words, whew. Thanks for any specific info or a better way that you can outline for me. I’d like to get this right the first time. It’s been a nightmare trying to regain some of the functionality that I had going on the Ti-Book. You're going about this all wrong. First, the reason the 1TB external HD isn't bootable is because you've probably not got the correct partition format on the HD. PPC Macs using 10.4 Tiger require Apple Partition Format. Intel Macs use GUID Partition Format, and your external HD would have came OEM as Master Boot Record Partition Format. The file system is independent of the partition format, so even if you repartitioned to HFS+ file system, if the partition format is wrong you can't boot on a PPC Mac. Leopard 10.5 can boot BOTH Apple Partition format and GUID on PPC Macs, but Intel Macs only boot GUID. The best way to accomplish your goal is to forget about Tiger 10.4 on the new 1.67 and instead do a clean install of Leopard 10.5, then during the installation process use the Migration Assistant to move everything over from the old TiBook. The way you do this is to select the option Transfer my information from another Mac and then boot the TiBook into Firewire Target Disk mode by holding the T key at startup and connect it to the new 1.67 with a Firewire cable and let the Migration Assistant transfer everything. You could also possibly transfer from the external 1TB drive if you wanted, but why use a copy when the original is available? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HDMI cable signal not working G5 PowerMac
On Jun 20, 2011, at 8:42 PM, Major Motoko wrote: Hi I just did an over haul to my PowerMac G5. I add memory, a new driver, pci card the works. Now when I plug my hdmi cable to the back of the TV is not picking up a signal which it was connecting with not problem before the upgrade and the fan is blowing louder. Did i do something wrong?? With such large changes to hardware it's always a good idea to reset the SMU and Safe Boot to reestablish the system cache files for the new hardware. I don't understand some of your description of the update. For example a new driver probably means you got a new hard drive? And pci card is a generic term, the specific card would be nice to know? Also, AFAIK no G5 came with HDMI video cards, so you shouldn't have an HDMI port unless this was part of the upgrade? The G5's vary a lot in terms of hardware specifications, so knowing the exact model would help? For now, try resetting the SMU http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1436 and then Safe Boot by holding the Shift key at startup, then restart again normally. Should be fine I think? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
On Jun 17, 2011, at 6:06 PM, John Carmonne wrote: I wish just once I could see the magic G4 500's that run You Tube just fine. I have G4's from G4 500, 867, 800, 1.0, 1.2, and 1.25GHz not one of them will play a smooth You Tube flick. I agree, but it may not be the CPU that's the bottleneck, it might be the GPU (video card). I've got an overclocked 1.58 GHz Mini that's constricted with the built-in 32MB Radeon 9200 video card. When the Mini is attached to an HDTV @ 1920x1080 it stutters and chokes like crazy on almost any higher resolution video (actually almost all video). If I run at a lower resolution (say 800x600 stretched) it plays much more smoothly with the same resolution videos, BUT, the ONLY native resolution that's not stretched is 1920x1080. I interpret this as 1920x1080 being roughly 2MB per frame, so the 32MB video card has room for about 16 frames, or 1/2 second HD video, so no wonder it chokes and stutters. I believe if this Mini had a large 128MB or 256MB video card the playback of video (including YouTube streams) would be significantly better, perhaps even dead smooth? I believe a slower G4 with a sufficiently large and fast video card might possibly be a magic G4, but 500MHz is a little too slow. A 1.25GHz with a fast large card might be the magic G4, but the need for Leopard will slow that now, so it appears the days of the magic G4 are indeed numbered, and soon extinct. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS X Leopard Printer Setup Utility ??
On Jun 18, 2011, at 7:39 PM, admin wrote: What is it? Where is it? My DOCK in Leopard says it's missing, but I can't find it in the Utilities and I did a fresh Leopard install on another partition to no avail. Is there such a thing in Leopard? In Leopard printing is handled in System PreferencesPrint Fax. When you use this control pane it calls on the application Printer Setup Utility when needed, and this is located in /System/Library/ CoreServices folder. Normally an alias wouldn't be located within your Dock unless you placed it there? I'd drag it out of the Dock and forget about it. You should use System PreferencesPrint Fax to call upon this app. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
On Jun 16, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Austin Leeds wrote: What Macs would be good fixer-uppers for profit, then? The premise seems relatively unsound to me. The best way to make a profit from a cheaply acquired Mac would be to part it out for individual components. The idea that you can add value to an old Mac by upgrading it is normally not profitable because of Moore's Law and the price of newer computers in comparison. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Hello! and question from a relative newbie
On Jun 14, 2011, at 8:06 PM, Stephen E. Bodnar wrote: The 2-SATA PCI card is worth it, it will speed up the system quite a bit. At least it did on my old G4! I'd like to see some benchmarks for before after so that we'd have some real data. There are plenty of anecdotal reports, but real data is hard to find. In order to make the test fair, you'd need to clone your HDs so that they're both as identical as possible. It's not enough to simply clone the old ATA HD onto the new SATA HD, you'd then need to re-clone the new SATA HD back onto the old ATA HD. A lot to ask for a simple benchmark test, might take hours, so it's clear why it's done so rarely. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Wireless PCMCIA card for Wallstreet
On Jun 12, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Les wrote: How high can I go with this? You can go as high as 10.4.11 using XPostFacto 4. You'd need to max out the RAM, and perhaps get a larger HD (OS X wants about 4GB free- space for temp files and cache files, so you'll not be able to fit a working boot OS X installation onto the 1st 8GB partition that the Wallstreet allows, you'll need a larger 10+GB partition for OS X, which will normally mean upgrading the HD. Honestly, upgrading this Wallstreet isn't a very good idea. The costs of upgrading the RAM, HD, wireless card, and perhaps USB card is greater than the cost of a used PC laptop that can run OS X Leopard, Snow Leopard, or Lion. I'd sell the Wallstreet and get something a little more modern. The Wallstreet isn't a good internet computer, it will never play any streaming video smoothly in OS X, whereas almost any cheap laptop with a Pentium M or Core Duo CPU will play smooth video and run circles around the Wallstreet. If you're going forward with upgrading the Wallstreet, I can help you off-list, but the process is complicated because the Wallstreet is limited in many ways, including the 1st 8GB partition issue, the Rage video issue, and other possible issues in OS X. Read the XPF forums. I wouldn't pay the XPF fee, the forums are dead and XPF has zero support now, it's abandonware. XPF works great, but the Wallstreet is a tough nut compared to newer Macs and PC hackintoshes. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige G3 with 1GHz ZIF upgrade worth it?
On Jun 9, 2011, at 8:40 PM, Tanner Musyj wrote: That's why I'd be more keen on just ordering in a processor upgrade from online. Get the G4 ZIF CPU in the 400-600 MHz range IF you're going to proceed upgrading this old Beige. I'd strongly urge you to look at the PC hackintosh options because for the same price you can end up with an Intel Mac that's many orders of magnitude faster than ANY upgraded Beige. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Applications fail to launch
On Jun 6, 2011, at 8:42 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: I went ahead and updated the firmware, and rebooted into OSX. No change. Everything still crashes. Have you Safe Booted OS X? Have you run Disk UtilityVerify Disk on the HD? Have you reinstalled the latest Combo Update? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Applications fail to launch
On Jun 6, 2011, at 10:39 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: I have tried all that. The same result.(Everything still crashes.) And what do the crash logs show? Let me guess, Console crashes so you can't see the crash logs? Have you booted verbose (Cmd-v) and looked for anything out of the ordinary? This sounds like a hardware issue, bad RAM, bad HD, etc. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Applications fail to launch
On Jun 7, 2011, at 12:39 AM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: applications crash on both OSX, and OS9, which are on different hard drives. Same ATA bus? Are you sure the jumper settings on the HDs are correct? A bad ATA cable could be the problem. You can use the cable bus the optical drive are on to troubleshoot. If it's not an ATA cable, you've likely got a bad logicboard because the chances to two separate HDs both being bad simultaneously is very low. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help with Griffin g4Port in OSX and LaserWriter
On Jun 2, 2011, at 8:43 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote: The g4Port+LaserWriter work fine in OS9, but I would like to print in OSX as well - and I can't understand how to set it up. Did you ever print in 10.4.11 on the old Beige, or with it printing in OS 9 only also? Below is an old article on serial printing in OS X. Normal serial printing requires the installation of serial printing enabler software. On this page, it says that the LaserWriter Select 310 (and I'm guessing also your 360?) use a non-standard protocol for communicating with the printer over a standard serial port cable. I was given an old LaserWriter Select in perfect condition, and I looked into this once and determined it was too much work for me to mess with, but it may be possible if you follow the links to the information about the non-standard protocol. Here's a link to get you started: http://webpages.charter.net/mbroughtn/serial_printing.html -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: RealTek 8169 in Beige G3 on OSX?
On Jun 1, 2011, at 10:05 AM, t...@io.com wrote: Has anyone successfully (or unsuccessfully) used a RealTek 8169 based gigabit ethernet card in a Beige G3 under OSX? I banged my head against this thing for several hours last night and could not get it to work. When I boot the machine in OS 9.x the card works fine. So, at least I know the hardware is all functional. The RealTek drivers seem to install okay, but when I reboot the machine, the only ethernet available in the Network System Preferences panel is still just the Built-in Ethernet. The card never appears. I tried RealTek's 10.2, 10.3 and Tiger drivers to no avail. I'm running 10.2.8 on the Beige G3. It has a 500MHz G3 upgrade and 256MB RAM. If you're seriously using this Beige G3, I'd suggest getting more RAM (768MB = 3x256MB low density PC100/133 DIMM is max.) and a Radeon PCI card which will speed up the GUI by miles in OS X when you enable Quartz Extreme. I haven't tried moving the card to a different slot. Currently, an Acard 6280M is in A1, the RTL8169 is in B1, and a USB card is in slot C1. I'd appreciate any suggestions of stories about experiences with the same hardware. In my experience, the Beige is very expandable, but limited by the three PCI slots. If you're running OS X, one slot needs to be dedicated the a Radeon card, so that leaves two slots. Another card needs be a USB card, and this presents real problems because no USB 2.0 cards work in OS 9 at all, so if you need to have USB in OS 9, you'd likely need TWO USB cards, a USB 1.1 card for OS 9 only, and another USB 2.0 card for OS X. Then you've got the larger HD issue which can be solved three ways: 1) a PCI ATA card such as the Acard 6280M you're using 2) an external Firewire boot drive (my preferred solution) 3) using a software solution from Intech by initializing the HD in OS 9 using Intech HD Speedtools 3.5 for OS 9 which makes larger than 128GB work in OS 9; and then add the Intech Hi-cap (high capacity) kext for OS X which enables greater than 128GB in OS X. This solution is more difficult, and for safety a partition break should be added to any large HD at the EXACT 128GB point of 131,072MB. The advantage of this method is that it frees up a PCI slot, the disadvantage is a slight HD speed hit. My preferred use of PCI slots in Beige are: 1) a Firewire USB 2.0 Combo card in one slot 2) a Radeon PCI card in a second slot, I believe the best is the flashed PC Radeon 9100 which is the equivalent of a Mac Radeon 8500(never made as a PCI card) 3) your choice, ATA HD card, wireless 802.11 card, etc. I preferred booting from external Firewire using XPostFacto's Helper Disk boot option. A Beige running 10.4.11 with a 500MHz G4 CPU and a fast Radeon card w/QE enabled is ALMOST useable by today's standards, but NOT QUITE. I'm a little unsure of why you think you'd gain much with a Gigabit ethernet card? Perhaps I'm not thinking correctly here, but I think the throughput speeds on the Beige are well below the saturation point of a 100baseT card, so my thinking here is that a gigabit card is a waste because you'll never be able to utilize the added speed? Obviously a 100baseT card would be an improvement over the built-in 10baseT, so perhaps this is a worthwhile card, but an 802.11n card would also be an option (without OS 9 support, but would work in OS X). My advice, don't spend any money on this Beige, get an newer, faster Mac instead. Someone was selling G4 MDDs really cheap on LEM-Swap the other day. All PPC Macs are being recycled now, you can sometimes find G5s super cheap at university sales, or businesses that are upgrading. Cheap PCs can be made into OS X hackintosh with LESS EFFORT than messing around with this Beige which is about the hardest Mac with lots of limitations and quirks. I'd upgrade and retire this Beige. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: RealTek 8169 in Beige G3 on OSX?
On Jun 1, 2011, at 7:41 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote: AFAIK, any USB 2 card working in OSX, it's working as well in OS9 (just at USB 1.1 speed, of course). I've never had a USB 2.0 card that worked correctly even at USB 1.1 speed in OS 9. Perhaps there are USB 2.0 cards that work at USB 1.1 speeds in OS 9? I believe this problem is traceable to a quirk of the PCI bus implementation on the Beige G3. The Beige PCI bus is v.1.0 specification, and many newer PCI cards require PCI v.1.1. Newer cards are supposed to be backwards compatible, but not all cards are. This whole PCI situation on the Beige gets even more complicated because the onboard graphics are part of the PCI bus. If you're using a Radeon card, it's a good idea to completely disable the onboard graphics using Open Firmware commands so that the onboard video isn't recognized at boot. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: new icon for networked mac?
On May 31, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: I think the issue is that the icons showing in the sidebar are system 'icons' that are difficult to change. They may actually not be icons at all, but different objects in the Finder's .nib files. If you connect to a Windows PC the Shared icon is an OS X Easter Egg that shows a really old CRT monitor with a Windows blue screen of death and the Windows crash exception code and a warning saying if you press CTL+ALT+DEL you'll lose all unsaved data. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: new icon for networked mac?
On May 31, 2011, at 12:43 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: Nope, just tried it... :-) Thanks for the idea though. Here's an idea: There are some instructions on changing stubborn icons here: http://web.archive.org/web/20081021135631/http://www.iheartny.com/howto_03.html Then navigate to /System/Library/CoreServices/Finder and Ctl-click and then Show Package Contents. In the Contents/Resources folder are a bunch of System icons and System icon bundles. Find the correct icon and replace it using the instructions from the website above. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: new icon for networked mac?
On May 30, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: in the side bar of the finder window appears my media mac under the shared portion of that side bar... question is, how to change the icon for that media mac? can this be done? how? Have you tried right-clicking (Ctl-click) on the icon in the shared side bar and when the contextual window opens select Get Info and then highlight the icon in the corner of the Get Info Window and paste in any other icon you prefer? I don't know this works for certain, but I think it should work? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: new icon for networked mac?
On May 30, 2011, at 1:28 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: Ya, first thing I tried before going on the list.. funny thing is that there's nothing at all on the web about the topic either... So it doesn't work I guess. Perhaps enable root user login and try again as root? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ATI 9600 Dual DVI
On May 23, 2011, at 5:37 PM, Wayne Garrett wrote: I have one VGA monitor and the apple DVI to TV adapter on the other port. Switch the cable to be certain both DVI ports on the video card work individually. If both DVI ports work individually, then the problem is with the DVI-to-S-video adapter. S-video is limited to old analog video 640x480 resolution, so if the TV has a VGA port use another DVI- to-VGA adapter rather than the S-video. If you have DVI ports on either the monitor or TV it would be best to use the DVI ports instead of the VGA. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Applications fail to launch
On May 22, 2011, at 8:30 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: The firmware isn't up to date, but I would think that OSX wouldn't install if it required a newer firmware. I think you should update the firmware before further troubleshooting. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS9 and OSX drivers for Adaptec AHA-2930CU?
On May 21, 2011, at 3:43 AM, Jörg Duurkoop wrote: Does anybody here have those drivers installed and could mail them to me please? Perhaps some of these links will work?(didn't try them) http://www.adaptec.com/en-us/support/_eol/scsi_mac/apd-2930u/ http://www.adaptec.com/en-us/downloads/macos/macos_8x_and_9x?productId=APD-2930Udn=PowerDomain+2930 http://www.adaptec.com/en-us/downloads/macos/macos_x?productId=APD-2930Udn=PowerDomain+2930 http://www.adaptec.com/en-US/speed/mac/scsi/apd2930_X_v11_hqx.htm -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS9 and OSX drivers for Adaptec AHA-2930CU?
On May 21, 2011, at 9:20 PM, admin wrote: This is what makes the Mac so great This is what MADE the Mac so great. I hope we never lose this flexibility Already lost, excluding the Mac Pro. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OT: Linksys WET54G Wireless Bridge
On May 20, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: Any more ideas before I trash this piece of crap Linksys and gets something that works? I am so frustrated... Is the firmware up-to-date? The Cisco site says there are three hardware version 1,2,3, and that the current firmware for each is v.2.06, 2.18, and 2.07 respectively. If you have a different version you might upgrade. See: http://homesupport.cisco.com/en-us/wireless/lbc/WET54G -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OT: Linksys WET54G Wireless Bridge
On May 19, 2011, at 7:47 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: I'd really appreciate some help on this. There's a link on this page that may help?: https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=1399 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 1.8mhz spinning pinwheel
On May 17, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Wayne Garrett wrote: am still stuck when I tried to boot 10.5.8 from DVD. Hold Cmd-v at startup, see what the problem is. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: I am forced to go Intel? Common rant, I guess.
On May 13, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: If you believe that EFI is some great conspiracy to prevent you from running another OS on a Mac it is YOU who doesn't understand what EFI is. I believe he's referring to TPM, not EFI. My understanding of TPM is that it's a set of cryptographic keys that prevents software from running on any untrusted system (meaning, unapproved hardware). If Apple controls the keys, then the argument is that Apple owns the computer they sold you. In labor relations, there's something known as a lock out, which the NFL is on the cusp of having now. I know it's highly unlikely, but from a theoretical standpoint Apple could lockout the owners of Intel Macs. PPC Macs would still be playing ball because our playing field has no locks or keys. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 monitor fails to fire
On May 12, 2011, at 2:22 AM, pdimage wrote: Sounds like a bad dvi/vga adapter - have you checked for bent pins on it? - try a different adapter. Cable pins can be bent too causing intermittent contact. I agree, the adapter (or cable) seems a likely culprit. It seems like a DVI/DVI cable onto a DVI display would be optimal, but if the display only has VGA, I guess you're stuck with an adapter and a VGA cable. Also worth trying an adc/vga adapter if you can get one ADC/VGA are rare and expensive. Better to buy a new video card or display instead. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help with Mac OS9 Drivers, running in OS-X/Classic
On May 11, 2011, at 11:49 PM, jsmanson wrote: The mac is a G4 Digital Audio, I have both 9.2.2 and OS-X 10.4.11. The scanner is an Optronics Colorgetter 3 plus, using a program called Colorright Pro 2.0. I have no experience with this, but a quick web search seems to indicate the Optronics Colorgetter 3 plus using Colorright Pro 2.0 works under OS 9.1, but some people have said it quit working under 9.2.2. If you can boot directly into 9.2.2 and it works, then it works, hurray! If you boot into 9.2.2 and it doesn't work, I'd hazard that you may need to downgrade back to OS 9.1, or figure out what changed between OS 9.1 and 9.2.2 that caused it to quit working. Sometimes you can substitute specific older extensions from 9.1 into 9.2.2 and get functionality from within 9.2.2 without a full-fledged downgrade to 9.1. As far as Classic under OS X, Classic does support OS 9.1, so you can run a 9.1 Classic environment if necessary, BUT, as Dan has pointed out, Classic will only work IF there are OS X hardware drivers for your card. You seem to indicate there are OS X drivers, so you need to get the hardware working while booted under OS 9.x, and then setup a Classic system using the correct OS 9.x version. Then you should be able to use Classic IF the OS X drivers work correctly. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: login failing
On May 12, 2011, at 3:41 PM, Geke wrote: The big question: what else can it be? A corrupted cache or preferences file. Boot in Safe mode by holding the Shift key, this will trash the cache files and rebuild them. Reboot normally, if the same login persists, go to AccountsLogin Options and unlock them by clicking the lock icon and typing your password, and then change the login preferences. If this doesn't restore normal functionality, you may have to manually delete the login preferences files (I'm not sure which are correct, you'll need to Google them). -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: I am forced to go Intel? Common rant, I guess.
On May 12, 2011, at 3:59 PM, Ralph Green wrote: I used an Ubuntu box, since Firefox 4 doesn't run on any of my macs. The 1.2 GHz G4 I am eying should be fast enough, if FF4 gets recompiled for PPC. Already been done, FF4 for PPC: http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 monitor fails to fire
On May 11, 2011, at 6:22 AM, ag wrote: Disconnecting all USBs and pulling power cable for ten minutes improved matters but now I have to power up 3-4 times or just leave it to another day. I don't understand? You mean you have to reboot 3 or 4 times and on the 3rd or 4th time the display finally works correctly? Have you done a Safe Boot (hold the Shift key at startup)? I use a DVI/VGA connector, and linking my G4 powerbook to the monitor fires it up each time so the monitor is fine. I'm assuming you're using a DVI/DVI cable from the G5 to the display? The DVI/VGA connector is an adapter you're using with a DVI/DVI cable so you can attach to the G4 PowerBook? If the cable that works with the G4 is the same cable that you're using with the G5 then the cable is likely good even if you're using an adapter. If it's a different cable, you need to try the G5 with a different cable, it could be a bad cable. Intermittent video is often a bad video card, and overheating is always a worry with an air-cooled card like the 9600 Pro. When you inspected the card did you look for popped caps? Is the G5 fan unit working normally? Have you tried both DVI ports on the 9600 Pro? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: I am forced to go Intel? Common rant, I guess.
On May 9, 2011, at 9:36 PM, admin wrote: Adobe Flash 10.2 Intel only, I believe. I haven't encountered any problems with the final PPC Adobe Flash 10.1.102.64. What problems have you encountered? Web sites are starting not to work under Leopard and Firefox Camino 2.0.7, Firefox 3.6.17, Safari 5.0.5. Example? I am unaware of any websites or flash sites that don't work with PPC Macs and do work with Intel Macs. There are websites that work best with Windows Internet Explorer and don't play well with ANY Macs, but I'm unaware of any that work with Intel Macs but not PPC Macs. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Malfunctioning ATA Drive
On May 8, 2011, at 12:15 AM, admin wrote: Yes, I am still hoping for a one lucky mount and copy. If you're only trying to salvage the data, the old school method for dead HDs is to place them in the freezer for at least several hours so that they're 100% frozen, and then attach them to an ATA bus as fast as possible, boot, and work as fast as possible. I've saved the data on a couple dead HDs by freezing them, and working fast. Dead HDs almost always have a problem with overheating, and they heat up fast, so it pays to plan ahead and have somewhere to move the data to ASAP. Once they start getting hot, they die fast. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Extracting JPEGl Files From Phone Attachments
On May 8, 2011, at 6:04 PM, glen wrote: Most of the graphics work is done but it would be good get access to a couple of JPEG's the client has sent -- apparently from a smart phone. Why do you believe they're .jpeg format? My guess is you've got some other format. All I received are files called Attachment 5, Attachment 6. ect. I can open them in a text editor like TextEdit or in Firefox Can't you just drag 'n drop the individual photos from TextEdit or Firefox directly onto your desktop? Then open these desktop files with something like GraphicConverter or PhotoShop. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Malfunctioning ATA Drive
On May 6, 2011, at 10:54 PM, admin wrote: WD ATA drive won't mount on desktop, Disk Utility and Data Rescue (DEMO) can't recognize. DiskWarrior can recognize but chokes on re- build attempt. Disk does spin up fine. Have in external Firewire/ USB 2 case with Single/Master pinning. Anything else? Cable select make any difference? Thanks. Some external Firewire/USB 2.0 cases have chipsets that are problematic with Mac OS X. Knowing the exact make and model of the enclosure; or the PID VID (from System Profiler) of the Firewire USB 2.0 bridge chipsets might lead to a firmware update that could possibly solve your issue, but the chances of this is very low. Most of the bad Firewire chipsets aren't fixable with firmware. The problematic USB 2.0 chipsets have upgrades, but the upgrades require Windows. I would try DiskWarrior under both Firewire and USB 2.0 to see if it makes a difference. Firewire is generally MUCH better than USB 2.0, but certain Firewire chipsets such as those from Genesys Logic just will not work with OS X. Likewise, there are certain USB 2.0 chipsets that have early firmware versions that are very flakey in OS X, and can sometimes be improved to achieve functionality. There may even be a firmware update for the HD itself, but these are very rare and the chances are unlikely. You may have a bad drive that's unsalvageable. If you can attach the drive to an ATA bus rather than the external enclosure you can get a S.M.A.R.T. report on the HD status using something like SMARTReporter. In my experience any drive that fails a SMART test is bad, but some drives that pass a SMART test are also bad. Bad is bad, but good isn't necessarily good. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iMac G4 questions
On Apr 30, 2011, at 4:07 AM, Ralph Green wrote: I don't see how the bottom plate comes off. I see in the pictures that they got it out. But, what do you pull or pry on? In the 2nd photo the plug that's causing you problems is shown taken apart in about the 11 o'clock position and someone has used a photo editor to attempt to place a transparent red box over both halves of the problem connector. To remove you wiggle the two halves apart gently but firmly. Alternatively you can try pulling directly upward but be careful not to bend the board too much and pull with very even pressure. The wiggle method is better in my opinion. Notice the problem connector appear to be near an edge, so working near that point on the edge on each side of the connector will probably work best for you. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Unlock your doors!
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Re: Fan issue on Powermac g3 400mh, 640 ram
On Apr 25, 2011, at 12:06 AM, crumvoc wrote: This computer works great, except for other than a power-off, BOTH the fans (internal and power supply) will not shut down. This old computer doesn't support hibernate (safe sleep), which would be the only situation I'm aware of where an operational desktop would have the fans stop running while not in a shutdown (power off) mode. Both fans SHOULD be running in any mode other than a shutdown. If either stops, that's when you've got real problems. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Fan issue on Powermac g3 400mh, 640 ram
On Apr 25, 2011, at 3:24 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: I believe the original poster is saying the fans won't stop when the machine is shutdown ... i.e. powered off. Not Sleep Mode ... Not Booted Up ... Not in Screen Saver Mode ... but, Shut Down. Weird. I think you read his posting wrong. Here is what he wrote: This computer works great, except for other than a power-off, BOTH the fans (internal and power supply) will not shut down. The key words are other than power-off, which means both fans DO shutdown during power-off. These old G3's don't have variable fan speed, so his Mac is operating normally. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Fan issue on Powermac g3 400mh, 640 ram
On Apr 25, 2011, at 9:01 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: Thanks and my apologies ... guess I got caught off guard with what seems to be double negative like techies ... I read it the same way the first time, and started at reply based upon the wrong reading, and only realized my error when I saw the first reply, which blew the dust out of my own head. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: spam
The storm is over, let's just forget it and move on . . . -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 10.4 install disk will not work on PowerMac G5
On Apr 19, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Goody2 wrote: 2. I am looking to buy a retail version DVD of OS 10.4.3 or higher. However, I don't understand how I could install the OS to the G5 via another computer if it is not supposed to run on the G5. I believe the installer has an artificial check prior to installation that includes the model identifier for all Mac models that Apple has decided are supported by the installer DVD. Since models produced after the disc was manufactured aren't included in the installer check program, the installer won't function when used upon any Mac newer than the disc irrespective of whether it works or not. In your case, the other computer must be an earlier Mac whose model identifier is included within the installer check, and if the G5's HD is mounted via a network or Firewire target disk mode the installer sees the G5 HD as any other attached drive to the other Mac and will install normally. There are ways to circumvent this artificial installer check by slightly modifying the OSInstall.dist file (dist is short of for distribution) which is the file that controls the pre-installation check procedure. When you've made a new DVD or USB stick with a modified OSInstall.dist file you can install onto ANY hardware upon which the Install DVD System will boot. Here are instructions for making the modified file and DVD, but now days most people might opt for making a bootable USB stick instead of a DVD: http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20051211074138859 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: netflix
Netflix is absolutely not Intel only. Silverlight installs for supported browsers and runs on AMD chipsets too. http://preview.tinyurl.com/y96fe7v In the parlance of G3-5-list, the term Intel only means as opposed to PPC (Power PC processors used on G3-5 Macs). AMD chipsets are considered Intel compatible and thus included within the expression Intel only. As I stated earlier, there IS a Silverlight installer for PPC Macs. AFAIK the only PPC Silverlight version is version 1.0, and Silverlight is currently up into version 4.0. I've never seen any Silverlight media that will play on the PPC version 1.0 of Silverlight. If you have a link to a working installation of Silverlight 4.0 for PPC Macs please post that link. I don't believe there is ANY Silverlight media that works with PPC Silverlight version 1.0. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: netflix
On Apr 17, 2011, at 8:33 PM, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: I run Netflix on several Hackintosh systems. There is NO modifying of any kind required to install SilverLight on a Hackintosh. Well there IS a required alteration. The installation package must be opened and the installation_check module must be deleted, then the package must be closed. After that, Silverlight will install on any Hackintosh. Humm, I've installed Silverlight on several Intel hackintosh without any modification to the installer necessary. Seems to work for me. What happens when you try to install without this alteration? Incidentally, the same alteration is necessary to get the PPC version of Silverlight to install on a Mini. Again, what PPC version are you talking about here? Version 1.0 is USELESS, and newer versions have no PPC code, so installing Intel code onto a PPC Mac won't work even if you can get the installer to run. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Nullriver's MediaLink Leopard on a G4
On Apr 14, 2011, at 11:30 AM, Jonathan Smith wrote: I have Java 1.5.0_28 Why don't have the latest? (Digital Audio Dual 533 with Leopard 10.5.8 ...) that is the latest for Leopard. 1.6.0_24 is the latest for Snow Leopard. It may be possible to install Java 1.6 on Leopard?: http://cs44.wordpress.com/2008/11/18/installing-java-16-jdk-on-os-x-leopard-with-maven-in-mind/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
