Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2016-02-11 Thread J. Leslie Turriff
On Friday 05 February 2016 04:56:53 vitalif wrote: > >Everyone just rebuild gimp with my patch > >http://svn.yourcmc.ru/viewvc.py/vitalif/trunk/scripts/patch-gimp-unite-sav > >e_export.diff?view=co and be happy > > P.S or use prebuilt gimp packages for debian unstable from my repo: >

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2016-02-06 Thread Richard
> To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org > From: ralf.kest...@gmx.net > Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 11:29:29 +0100 > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior > > Go to Edit > Preferences > Environment > Saving Images and untip > "Confirm closing of

[Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2016-02-05 Thread vitalif
Everyone just rebuild gimp with my patch http://svn.yourcmc.ru/viewvc.py/vitalif/trunk/scripts/patch-gimp-unite-save_export.diff?view=co and be happy >The first part -- prompting you for the export settings -- is actually >expected to happen the first export per image session. Depending on

[Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2016-02-05 Thread vitalif
>Everyone just rebuild gimp with my patch >http://svn.yourcmc.ru/viewvc.py/vitalif/trunk/scripts/patch-gimp-unite-save_export.diff?view=co >and be happy P.S or use prebuilt gimp packages for debian unstable from my repo: http://vmx.yourcmc.ru/var/debian/unstable/ ("deb

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2016-02-05 Thread Ralf Kestler
Am 05.02.2016 um 05:03 schrieb Richard: As for the second part, confirm closing of exported-not-saved images, personally I would prefer this to be a preferences option but I've never seen any support for the idea expressed by GIMP devs. (Though I haven't exactly been tracking it, either.)

[Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2016-02-03 Thread allthattotell
>Just wanted to add yet another voice to the "really annoyed" list. >That is all. I came here and other gimp related sites to try to find some solution to always asking settings of exporting/saving an image in jpeg format and to bypass the dialog saying it was unsaved then i read a lot of the

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2016-02-03 Thread Psiweapon
I adopted the solution proposed by the devs and stopped using it altogether :o) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives:

[Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2014-11-08 Thread billn
I like the new save vs export behavior. The only thing I might change if not already in Gimp in a way in preference to put the export formats i use most often to the top of the drop down list. I /hate/ the new Save vs. Export behavior. It is completely non-intuitive to me, it makes my brain

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2014-11-07 Thread Richard
To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org From: mell...@openmailbox.org Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 22:07:07 +0200 Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior Richard strata_ran...@hotmail.com writes: Such as when I'm downscaling digital photos for uploading to the Internet. Did

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2014-11-07 Thread Melleus
Sorry then. By the way, ImageMagick is a very capable software for image resizing. More capable then GIMP I beleive. It has 16 bit color depth by default (and can do even floating point) and a number of high quality computation algoritms for resampling images to choose from. Sometimes it's faster

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2014-11-06 Thread Richard
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 14:47:57 -0500 From: ptilopt...@gmail.com To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior * Richard strata_ran...@hotmail.com [11-03-14 13:27]: There's only one problem with the current model: I, for one, would love

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2014-11-06 Thread Melleus
Richard strata_ran...@hotmail.com writes: Such as when I'm downscaling digital photos for uploading to the Internet. Did you try ImageMagick/GraphicsMagick for that? It's a way faster and richer in opportunities. And there's no save/export problem. Why live with a problem that is so easy to

[Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2014-11-06 Thread vitalif
No warranty or guarantee implied, but for people who find themselves bugged by the Save/Export split, this may be a workable solution. ...And there still exists my patch http://svn.yourcmc.ru/viewvc.py/vitalif/trunk/scripts/patch-gimp-unite-save_export.diff?revision=1813view=co which totally

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2014-11-04 Thread Norbert Preining
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: Do you really think arrogance and sarcasm helps deescalating the problem? No, and that's why I'm kindly asking you to refrain from emails like this one in your further contributions to GIMP's mailing lists. Thank you. [...] For the record,

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2014-11-03 Thread Richard
To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org From: mell...@openmailbox.org Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 16:06:54 +0200 Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior Everybody who prefers to lose information when exporting the work to jpg instead of saving it and posesses the skill of reading

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2014-11-03 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Richard strata_ran...@hotmail.com [11-03-14 13:27]: To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org From: mell...@openmailbox.org Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 16:06:54 +0200 Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior Everybody who prefers to lose information when exporting the work to jpg

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2014-11-03 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Norbert Preining wrote: On 2014/11/02, at 22:22, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: If there were any, wouldn't you be able to see fireworks from pretty much any part of Earth? :) Do you really think arrogance and sarcasm helps deescalating the problem? No, and

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2014-11-02 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 3:35 AM, miyuumeow wrote: So my question to the developers is: Has there been any futher developments to remedy this issue? If there were any, wouldn't you be able to see fireworks from pretty much any part of Earth? :) Alex

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2014-11-02 Thread Norbert Preining
On 2014/11/02, at 22:22, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: If there were any, wouldn't you be able to see fireworks from pretty much any part of Earth? :) Do you really think arrogance and sarcasm helps deescalating the problem? You seem to be very Gnome-ish in

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2014-11-02 Thread Melleus
Everybody who prefers to lose information when exporting the work to jpg instead of saving it and posesses the skill of reading could find in the manual the way to remap the hotleys. No problem to discuss. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2014-11-02 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Melleus mell...@openmailbox.org [11-02-14 09:08]: Everybody who prefers to lose information when exporting the work to jpg instead of saving it and posesses the skill of reading could find in the manual the way to remap the hotleys. No problem to discuss. Ability to post email !=

[Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2014-11-01 Thread miyuumeow
I /hate/ the new Save vs. Export behavior. It is completely non-intuitive to me, it makes my brain stumble every time I try to do just about any of the things that I do in GIMP on a regular basis, and it makes most of my workflows take more thought and more button clicks I love the Gimp and

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2014-11-01 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* miyuumeow for...@gimpusers.com [11-01-14 20:36]: I /hate/ the new Save vs. Export behavior. It is completely non-intuitive to me, it makes my brain stumble every time I try to do just about any of the things that I do in GIMP on a regular basis, and it makes most of my workflows take more

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2014-10-10 Thread Philip Rhoades
Alex, On 2014-10-10 16:23, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: 10 окт. 2014 г. 4:25 chefebe for...@gimpusers.com написал: In violation of good forum behavior I love gimp. I am indebted to the creators and maintainers. Thanks, but first offense is still first offence. OK, is it first offense

[Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2014-10-09 Thread chefebe
In violation of good forum behavior I am commenting on this eternal, and very old thread because that is all I have the bandwidth to do. I also hate the export feature. I even keep an old Linux system around that has 2.6 on it so I can quickly do simple edits because of this annoyance. I

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2014-10-09 Thread Kasim Ahmic
Oh. My. Fucking. God. Sent from my iPod On Oct 9, 2014, at 8:25 PM, chefebe for...@gimpusers.com wrote: In violation of good forum behavior I am commenting on this eternal, and very old thread because that is all I have the bandwidth to do. I also hate the export feature. I even keep an

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2014-10-09 Thread Bob Long
chefebe wrote on 10/10/14 10:25: In violation of good forum behavior I am commenting on this eternal, and very old thread because that is all I have the bandwidth to do. I also hate the export feature. I even keep an old Linux system around that has 2.6 on it so I can quickly do simple

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2014-10-09 Thread Steve Kinney
On 10/09/2014 08:25 PM, chefebe wrote: I even keep an old Linux system around that has 2.6 on it so I can quickly do simple edits because of this annoyance. I don't believe you. It's as simple as that. Video and independent testimony, or it didn't happen.

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2014-10-09 Thread Robert T. Short
On 10/09/2014 05:38 PM, Bob Long wrote: chefebe wrote on 10/10/14 10:25: In violation of good forum behavior I am commenting on this eternal, and very old thread because that is all I have the bandwidth to do. I also hate the export feature. I even keep an old Linux system around that has

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2014-10-09 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
10 окт. 2014 г. 4:25 chefebe for...@gimpusers.com написал: In violation of good forum behavior I love gimp. I am indebted to the creators and maintainers. Thanks, but first offense is still first offence. Alex ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-11-04 Thread maderios
On 11/04/2013 02:30 AM, dksill wrote: I fully agree with the first post of this blog. the question whether to save unsaved work spoils the whole efficiency to quickly edit a file. Hi It's a very old story... *Four years ago* Gimp developer Martin Nordholts explained on his blog: A lot of

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-11-04 Thread Richard Gitschlag
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 02:30:11 +0100 From: for...@gimpusers.com To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org CC: t...@gimpusers.com Subject: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior I fully agree with the first post of this blog. the question whether to save unsaved work spoils the whole

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-11-04 Thread Stephen Allen
On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 04:53:29PM +0100, maderios wrote: On 11/04/2013 02:30 AM, dksill wrote: I fully agree with the first post of this blog. the question whether to save unsaved work spoils the whole efficiency to quickly edit a file. Hi It's a very old story... *Four years ago* Gimp

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-11-04 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 5:22 AM, Stephen Allen wrote: On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 04:53:29PM +0100, maderios wrote: On 11/04/2013 02:30 AM, dksill wrote: I fully agree with the first post of this blog. the question whether to save unsaved work spoils the whole efficiency to quickly edit a file.

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-11-04 Thread Burnie West
On 11/04/2013 05:37 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: Maderios has already been unsubscribed for repetitive violation of the code of conduct. ?? - but M still posts? ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-11-04 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
Replied offlist. No, he doesn't. His last email was his last. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:04 AM, Burnie West w...@ieee.org wrote: On 11/04/2013 05:37 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: Maderios has already been unsubscribed for repetitive violation of the code of conduct. ?? - but M still posts?

[Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-11-03 Thread dksill
I fully agree with the first post of this blog. the question whether to save unsaved work spoils the whole efficiency to quickly edit a file. -- dksill (via www.gimpusers.com/forums) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-10-14 Thread Stephen Allen
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 09:02:27PM -0500, Thomas Widlar wrote: Good. +1 ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-10-13 Thread Richard Gitschlag
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 10:29:29 -0600 From: johnme...@pueblocomputing.com To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior When did Ted Stryker become part of the development team? If that's an Airplane reference, I don't get

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-10-12 Thread maderios
On 10/12/2013 01:44 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: On 12 Oct 2013 19:23, maderios mader...@gmail.com mailto:mader...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/11/2013 10:20 PM, Melleus wrote: P.S. If you really prefer accidentally loosing your information you can surely redefine hot keys. Hi This is a

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-10-12 Thread Andrew Bridget
On 12/10/2013 13:23, maderios wrote: I save at least every milestone, sometimes every step Surely this backup's the reason why the software works as it does now, as saving each step would mean saving to the native file format (ie .xcf) and then exporting to the finished required format ( .png,

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-10-12 Thread Melleus
Andrew Bridget andrew_brid...@btinternet.com writes: On 12/10/2013 13:23, maderios wrote: I save at least every milestone, sometimes every step Surely this backup's the reason why the software works as it does now, Bingo! ___ gimp-user-list

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-10-11 Thread maderios
On 10/10/2013 12:56 PM, Andrew Bridget wrote: On 10/10/2013 11:17, Helen wrote: Although I also hate the new feature which restricts what I can do, I don't think taking a poll is a useful idea. It seems to me the developers ought to be aware, as everyone else is, that this was a bad move,

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-10-11 Thread Melleus
I work with the tool from its version numbered 2.4. And I use it primarily as a photo processing tool. I can say that the save/export feature is a very logical one from my point of view as I can be sure that I have ALL THE INFORMATION in the SAVED image as long as I can have only PARTIAL

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-10-10 Thread Helen
Although I also hate the new feature which restricts what I can do, I don't think taking a poll is a useful idea. It seems to me the developers ought to be aware, as everyone else is, that this was a bad move, that many (who knows whether most, but certainly many) GIMP users hate it, and just

[Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-10-10 Thread vitalif
We are given this software by the we can not demand anything Of course! And the best of it is that the license is free so you can at least patch it for yourself [just like I did]. But my idea was that it's generally a good idea to listen to your users even if you develop an opensource project. )

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-10-10 Thread Michael Natterer
On 10/10/2013 11:20 PM, vitalif wrote: We are given this software by the we can not demand anything Of course! And the best of it is that the license is free so you can at least patch it for yourself [just like I did]. But my idea was that it's generally a good idea to listen to your users

[Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-10-10 Thread vitalif
Why don't the haters unsubscribe instead? Of course because we don't hate the thread in our inbox, we just hate the feature! :) Let me repeat it for you: we will *not* make the save/export separation a configurable option. Thanks, in fact I've understood your point as early as before I've

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-10-10 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 1:37 AM, vitalif wrote: Why don't the haters unsubscribe instead? Of course because we don't hate the thread in our inbox, we just hate the feature! :) Let me repeat it for you: we will *not* make the save/export separation a configurable option. Thanks, in fact I've

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-10-10 Thread Thomas Widlar
Good. On 10/10/2013 8:54 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: You've just banned yourself from the mailing list. Alexandre ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership:

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-10-04 Thread Richard Gitschlag
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 21:48:31 +0200 From: for...@gimpusers.com To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org CC: t...@gimpusers.com Subject: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior Your social skills surely reflect your intelligence level. Ha-ha. I just say that what I think and don't feel

[Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-10-04 Thread vitalif
And in particular, at Please make sure that you add value to the discussion, avoid repetitive arguments, flamewars, trolling, and personal attacks. In this particular case, I think it's the second paragraph that adds some value... -- vitalif (via www.gimpusers.com/forums)

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-10-04 Thread Eduard Braun
Hi all, I don't get it! This discussion is going on for months now, constantly spamming the mailing list. Still I don't see even the slightest willingness to compromise on either side. It seems you are carrying out a war with hardened fronts on the back of GIMP which will give neither side

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-10-04 Thread John Meyer
Or you could just remap the keyboard shortcuts. On 10/4/2013 10:45 AM, Eduard Braun wrote: Hi all, I don't get it! This discussion is going on for months now, constantly spamming the mailing list. Still I don't see even the slightest willingness to compromise on either side. It seems you

[Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-10-04 Thread vitalif
Or you could just remap the keyboard shortcuts. I don't just want to remap the shortcuts. Because (1) sometimes I use the shortcut and sometimes I use the menu item (and sometimes it's Save as, not just Save) and (2) I can't save to XCF using the remapped Export. And I don't like pythonish

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-10-04 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 1:07 AM, vitalif wrote: What constructive actions can be applied? I think these are: 1) Just make a configuration setting for enabling/disabling the format restriction for Save. 2) I think that even disabling the restriction on a permanent basis without adding any

[Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-10-03 Thread vitalif
I want to say two things: 1) The new behaviour is a TOTAL PIECE OF SHIT. And the authors are just MORONS because they argue that if you dislike it, you are an idiot, misuse gimp and should only use MSPAINT because of a low IQ. Just like it was with the single-window mode, yeah. 2) But - Good

[Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-10-03 Thread vitalif
Oops the forum messed up with my diff. So again, either get it from http://svn.yourcmc.ru/viewvc.py/vitalif/trunk/scripts/patch-gimp-unite-save_export.diff?view=co or download as an attachment. Attachments: *

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-10-03 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* vitalif for...@gimpusers.com [10-03-13 12:41]: I want to say two things: 1) The new behaviour is a TOTAL PIECE OF SHIT. And the authors are just MORONS because they argue that if you dislike it, you are an idiot, misuse gimp and should only use MSPAINT because of a low IQ. Just like it was

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-10-03 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 10:54 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * vitalif for...@gimpusers.com [10-03-13 12:41]: I want to say two things: 1) The new behaviour is a TOTAL PIECE OF SHIT. And the authors are just MORONS because they argue that if you dislike it, you are an idiot, misuse gimp and

[Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-10-03 Thread vitalif
Your social skills surely reflect your intelligence level. Ha-ha. I just say that what I think and don't feel shy about specific words :) Of course I don't undervalue the incredibly good mission that gimp developers are performing in general. Nothing personal, of course. -- vitalif (via

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-14 Thread Richard Gitschlag
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 14:03:04 -0700 From: k...@anechoicmedia.com To: akk...@shallowsky.com CC: gimp-user-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior I find it oddly unsettling how the developers have consistently turned a deaf ear to this important

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-13 Thread Madeleine Fisher
[...] I just copy/paste and scale as needed but I cannot work on anything else until I anchor it. Actually you can also click New layer in the layers dalogue to turn the floating selection into a layer, and then you can work on other things. Very frustrating when I want to adjust something

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-13 Thread Richard Gitschlag
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:46:58 +0800 From: ngoonee.t...@gmail.com To: mader...@gmail.com CC: gimp-user-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior Thousands? In all the time I've followed this list I've seen maybe a dozen threads. I believe all of them

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-13 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Richard Gitschlag strata_ran...@hotmail.com [08-13-13 11:26]: This single topic has nearly 300 replies by now (if not more), and there have certainly been dozens of other, smaller topics over time, mostly clustered around 2.8's launch. It is probably safe to assume there are over 1,000

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-13 Thread Akkana Peck
Oon-Ee Ng writes: Thousands? In all the time I've followed this list I've seen maybe a dozen threads. I believe all of them have your replies in there. Trying to count the number of complainants, I estimate probably one or two dozen as well. In case people are curious: I've been saving posts

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-13 Thread maderios
On 08/13/2013 07:14 PM, Akkana Peck wrote: Oon-Ee Ng writes: Thousands? In all the time I've followed this list I've seen maybe a dozen threads. I believe all of them have your replies in there. Trying to count the number of complainants, I estimate probably one or two dozen as well. In case

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-13 Thread Burnie West
On 08/13/2013 11:48 AM, maderios wrote: ...Akkana ___ snip That's all I can say Regards -- Maderios Ah-h-hwish it were so ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-13 Thread Kim Cascone
I too have been following this thread since it's inception (not as empirically as Ms Peck though) and see the same exact complaints come up time and again I find it oddly unsettling how the developers have consistently turned a deaf ear to this important issue by not making it possible in the

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-12 Thread Burnie West
On 08/11/2013 01:38 PM, Jernej Simončič wrote: On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 06:41:50 -0700, Richard Gitschlag wrote: GIMP is the only application I know of where the selection mask is considered actual document content (rather than an interface entity used for manipulating document content). That

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-12 Thread Richard Gitschlag
To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org From: jernej|s-gm...@eternallybored.org Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 22:38:04 +0200 Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior In Paint Shop Pro and Excel the selection is also saved with document. Speaking of Excel, Excel has really weird cut

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-12 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 08:56:22 -0700, Richard Gitschlag wrote: Speaking of Excel, Excel has really weird cut-and-paste behavior compared to every other app I know; the Cut command doesn't actually remove anything from the document or place it on the clipboard, it just marks it with marching

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-12 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Jernej Simončič jernej|s-gm...@eternallybored.org [08-12-13 12:02]: On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 08:56:22 -0700, Richard Gitschlag wrote: Speaking of Excel, Excel has really weird cut-and-paste behavior compared to every other app I know; the Cut command doesn't actually remove anything from

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-12 Thread Joseph A. Nagy, Jr
On 08/11/13 08:41, Richard Gitschlag wrote: On the contrary, this is the dangerous situation... - load file - create complicated selection/path to update part of the image - update that part - export image - quit (and throw the selection away...). IMHO the only safe case is when the image has

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-12 Thread Richard Gitschlag
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:14:20 -0500 From: jnagyjr1...@gmail.com To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior I had meant to send this on-list yesterday...didn't realize my error until Richard replied off-list. Don't forget the 'floating

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-12 Thread maderios
On 08/10/2013 06:54 PM, John Meyer wrote: On 8/10/2013 10:50 AM, maderios wrote: On 08/09/2013 03:07 PM, s.kortenweg wrote: When i started 50 years ago in the early days of IT as prof was me told that there are 2 rules for program developers : first keep it simple and second the user must be

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-12 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Mon, 2013-08-12 at 11:14 -0500, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr wrote: [...] I just copy/paste and scale as needed but I cannot work on anything else until I anchor it. Actually you can also click New layer in the layers dalogue to turn the floating selection into a layer, and then you can work on other

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-12 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 1:08 AM, maderios mader...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/10/2013 06:54 PM, John Meyer wrote: On 8/10/2013 10:50 AM, maderios wrote: On 08/09/2013 03:07 PM, s.kortenweg wrote: When i started 50 years ago in the early days of IT as prof was me told that there are 2 rules for

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-11 Thread Richard Gitschlag
On the contrary, this is the dangerous situation... - load file - create complicated selection/path to update part of the image - update that part - export image - quit (and throw the selection away...). IMHO the only safe case is when the image has one singe layer without mask, no

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-11 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 06:41:50 -0700, Richard Gitschlag wrote: GIMP is the only application I know of where the selection mask is considered actual document content (rather than an interface entity used for manipulating document content). That was a very workflow-breaking issue to come to

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-11 Thread Ofnuts
On 08/11/2013 03:41 PM, Richard Gitschlag wrote: On the contrary, this is the dangerous situation... - load file - create complicated selection/path to update part of the image - update that part - export image - quit (and throw the selection away...). IMHO the only safe case is when the

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-10 Thread Cristian Secară
În data de Fri, 09 Aug 2013 14:41:01 -0700, Tom Williams a scris: A couple of weeks ago, I stumbled upon a similar behavior in MS Word 2010. I had created a document that I wanted to save as a PDF file. I used the Save As function to do so. The PDF file got saved and Adobe Reader was opened

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-10 Thread Thomas Taylor
ENOUGH ALREADY - PLEASE give this topic a burial. Tom ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-10 Thread Richard Gitschlag
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 11:07:34 +0300 From: li...@secarica.ro To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior În data de Fri, 09 Aug 2013 14:41:01 -0700, Tom Williams a scris: What realy misses here is some intelligent way in determining

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-10 Thread Ofnuts
On 08/10/2013 03:37 PM, Richard Gitschlag wrote: I can agree with you here. If: - No changes have been made since the last export command, and: - The current image has no XCF file associated with it Then IMHO this is a scenario where suppressing the Save changes? prompt can be quite useful

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-10 Thread Tom Williams
On 08/10/2013 01:07 AM, Cristian Secară wrote: În data de Fri, 09 Aug 2013 14:41:01 -0700, Tom Williams a scris: A couple of weeks ago, I stumbled upon a similar behavior in MS Word 2010. I had created a document that I wanted to save as a PDF file. I used the Save As function to do so. The

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-10 Thread maderios
On 08/09/2013 03:07 PM, s.kortenweg wrote: When i started 50 years ago in the early days of IT as prof was me told that there are 2 rules for program developers : first keep it simple and second the user must be happy with the results of your work. In the endless discussion of export vs. Save i

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-10 Thread John Meyer
On 8/10/2013 10:50 AM, maderios wrote: On 08/09/2013 03:07 PM, s.kortenweg wrote: When i started 50 years ago in the early days of IT as prof was me told that there are 2 rules for program developers : first keep it simple and second the user must be happy with the results of your work. In the

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-10 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 8:54 PM, John Meyer wrote: And I don't know about Enlightenment, but I'm assuming that the main developer isn't trying to please everybody. Listen to everybody, fine. But pleasing everybody is the same as pleasing nobody. Sadly not everyone understands the

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-10 Thread maderios
On 08/10/2013 08:46 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 8:54 PM, John Meyer wrote: And I don't know about Enlightenment, but I'm assuming that the main developer isn't trying to please everybody. Listen to everybody, fine. But pleasing everybody is the same as pleasing

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-10 Thread John Meyer
On 8/10/2013 1:29 PM, maderios wrote: On 08/10/2013 08:46 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 8:54 PM, John Meyer wrote: And I don't know about Enlightenment, but I'm assuming that the main developer isn't trying to please everybody. Listen to everybody, fine. But

[Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-09 Thread pitibonom
I add my vote on this one. XCF is a gimp only format, and unfortunately the world don't run on it. When really working on a pic, this one needs ( by nature ) to be exported and imported, and sometimes many times in a project. Of course when you draw in gimp, for gimp and nothing else ( no need to

[Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-09 Thread pitibonom
To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior * Yottskry for...@gimpusers.com [08-07-13 15:12]: [...] Or that users such as yourself pay someone to develop and provide software more to their *particular* liking and leave gimp and the gimp mail lists

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-09 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 2:42 PM, pitibonom wrote: EDIT: amazing the captcha of this posting window is 'dictatorship' :D a subtle message ? ;-) Wait till you get handcuffs or ball and chain :) so as a conclusion you mean that because it's free, it's allowed to be not functionnal. Am i wrong ?

[Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-09 Thread pitibonom
Finally am wondering wether there's still a branch of the 2.6 version that is active ? Does anyone know ? Or is there only the standard current 2.8.x trunc ? Of course for ppl who don't like the 2.8, noone forces them to use it, but then the question is asked about the older versions. Is there

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-09 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 2:59 PM, pitibonom wrote: Finally am wondering wether there's still a branch of the 2.6 version that is active ? There's no such thing to the best of my knowledge. Is there even the possibility to download the old 2.6 somewhere ? Yes, of course. Ah it seems yes, but

[Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-09 Thread pitibonom
Wait till you get handcuffs or ball and chain :) You are. Because we choose to work on it. As if we didn't know :) Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org really amazing Alexandre, the feeling you give me that am speaking to some kind of deity :D Mebe in your supreme knowledge and

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-09 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 3:07 PM, pitibonom wrote: really amazing Alexandre, the feeling you give me that am speaking to some kind of deity :D Would you like to repent while at that? :) Mebe in your supreme knowledge and power you could convince other companies like unity, adobe,

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-09 Thread s.kortenweg
When i started 50 years ago in the early days of IT as prof was me told that there are 2 rules for program developers : first keep it simple and second the user must be happy with the results of your work. In the endless discussion of export vs. Save i believe that the second rule is violated.

Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

2013-08-09 Thread Simon Budig
s.kortenweg (s.korten...@hccnet.nl) wrote: When i started 50 years ago in the early days of IT as prof was me told that there are 2 rules for program developers : first keep it simple and second the user must be happy with the results of your work. Compared to 50 years ago there has been a

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