On 01/15/2014 12:47 AM, Bob Long wrote:
Sorry, I don't follow... Why can't you simply open a .png file in GIMP
2.8 that was created earlier (and then close it, without any prompts,
if you've made no changes)?
It's simple, really. GiMP has an image problem. Like so many other
F/OSS
Helen wrote:
And the comments I get about not really having an image that I
think I have (several people say variations of that) is completely
over my head. And wonder whether it has a practical significance or just a
semantic one.
It depends what format you're exporting to and what
This is such a common task, there may be cause to have a Resize
option bundled with the Export command. Having to always perform
them as two separate steps is an annoyance, but the possibility of
accidentally saving the wrong resolution back to the XCF file is a
danger.
First, I'm so glad
Why aren't you scaling it before you export it?
That would be way too scary!! The easiest way (for me) to lose a lot of
work on a
.xcf file would be to scale it and then accidentally save. The old (2.6
method I described)
protected me from an accident such as that.
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 22:41:29 -0500
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] gimp users matter
From: etter...@gmail.com
To: strata_ran...@hotmail.com
CC: l...@holoweb.net; gimp-user-list@gnome.org
5 - You are done! There is no need to re-open the PNG file.
Well, this may or may not be true. When, six
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 22:17:53 -0500
From: etter...@gmail.com
To: mdmp...@gmail.com
CC: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] gimp users matter
Why aren't you scaling it before you export it?
That would be way too scary!! The easiest way (for me) to lose a lot of
work
Helen said,
5 - You are done! There is no need to re-open the PNG file.
Well, this may or may not be true. When, six months or a year later I
want to look at a .png (check the resolution, see whether it
needs to be sharpened/signed/whatever) then I do, sometimes want to look at
(and
which buttons exactly did you press in GIMP so that you no longer
saw it?
In other words tell us exactly what you're doing, in both versions of
gimp
ok
First In gimp 2.6:
open or create new file. Name it.
I now have (e.g.) village.xcf
Work on it for weeks, saving every few minutes with
To: Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net; gimp-user-list@gnome.org
gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Sent: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 16:28
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] gimp users matter
which buttons exactly did you press in GIMP so that you no longer
saw it?
In other words tell us exactly what you're doing, in both
To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 11:59:17 -0500
From: uga...@talktalk.net
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] gimp users matter
If you want two png files with different resolutions you can export,
image_300.png change resolution and export image_72.png
Gimp will ask if you want
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 17:00:18 +
From: andrew_brid...@btinternet.com
To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] gimp users matter
You need to have a look at 'Save for Web' as you can save to .png and
resize without altering your original image (village.xcf). Once saved
On 13/01/2014 17:12, Richard wrote:
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 17:00:18 +
From: andrew_brid...@btinternet.com
To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] gimp users matter
You need to have a look at 'Save for Web' as you can save to .png and
resize without altering your original
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From: Richard strata_ran...@hotmail.com
To: uga...@talktalk.net uga...@talktalk.net; gimp-user-list@gnome.org
gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Sent: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 17:13
Subject: RE: [Gimp-user] gimp users matter
To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014
This is such a common task, there may be cause to have a Resize option bundled
with the Export command. Having to always perform them as two separate steps
is an annoyance, but the possibility of accidentally saving the wrong
resolution back to the XCF file is a danger.
A question that asked
Why aren't you scaling it before you export it? Undo the scale or don't
save the scaled xcf? It seems to me that you would want to minimize any
possible (even if trivial) distortion by editing the exported
(flattened) image rather than what you are actually working on.
On 1/13/2014 11:27 AM,
I actually go through this process frequently--I create a webcomic, and I
like to work on a large file (about 3000x4000). To publish it to the web I
resize to 750 px wide. I like to have both copies, but a Resize-on-Export
function would be helpful for me. In order to preserve the xcf and not
13 янв. 2014 г. 22:32 пользователь Andrew_Bridget
andrew_brid...@btinternet.com написал:
This is such a common task, there may be cause to have a Resize option
bundled with the Export command. Having to always perform them as two
separate steps is an annoyance, but the possibility of
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 3:27 AM, Ofnuts wrote:
If you reall care about the output quality, you _never_ just resize. You
resize and sharpen, and amount of sharpening is decided on
picture-by-picture basis.
Yes. And sometimes you even blur the picture slightly before resizing to
avoid
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 17:15:10 +
From: andrew_brid...@btinternet.com
To: strata_ran...@hotmail.com; gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] gimp users matter
On 13/01/2014 17:12, Richard wrote:
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 17:00:18 +
It is hard to tell, but this sounds like a work flow issue.
-Original Message-
From: roadie roa...@zenroadie.org
To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Sent: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 2:20
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] gimp users matter
And, Liam, I believe this is what you're asking. In 2.8, I
On 1/11/2014 3:54 PM, Helen wrote:
Close. Not exactly but closer than anyone has understood so far.
Mark said:
Helen opens myfile.jpg with gimp. She saves myfile.jpg and it becomes
myfile.xcf. She can't see myfile.jpg any more to see what it looks like
I suppose that's true in some
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 17:50:01 -0500
From: mdmp...@gmail.com
To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org; etter...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] gimp users matter
And, Liam, I believe this is what you're asking. In 2.8, I save every few
minutes with File Save. I see a brief less than
Can I offer my interpretation of this communication breakdown? Apologies
to Liam for previously not replying to list.
Helen opens myfile.jpg with gimp. She saves myfile.jpg and it becomes
myfile.xcf. She can't see myfile.jpg any more to see what it looks like.
She exports myfile.xcf to
On 1/11/2014 2:10 PM, Richard wrote:
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 08:20:20 -0500
From: mdmp...@gmail.com
To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] gimp users matter
Can I offer my interpretation of this communication breakdown?
Apologies
to Liam for previously not replying to list
Close. Not exactly but closer than anyone has understood so far.
Mark said:
Helen opens myfile.jpg with gimp. She saves myfile.jpg and it becomes
myfile.xcf. She can't see myfile.jpg any more to see what it looks like
I suppose that's true in some (trivial?) sense but doens't matter. I see
the
On Sat, 2014-01-11 at 15:54 -0500, Helen wrote:
[...]
And, Liam, I believe this is what you're asking. In 2.8, I save every few
minutes with File Save. I see a brief less than a second progress bar
but nothing changes. All is well. At some point later, the picture is
(more or less, sort
Helen
Please don't give up.
It would be helpful if you would take screen dumps to illustrate the various
stages of what you are doing, and where it goes wrong, then we will have
much more of a chance to understand the problem.
Geoff Smith
London
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View this message in context:
On 10 January 2014 00:43, Helen etter...@gmail.com wrote:
yes, thank you for that, but I donw't want to to import it as a new gimp
image.
I want to still be able to see my jpg file. This really is not about the
(slight in
my view) inconvenience of another keystroke. It's about not being
Ok, I'm trying, but this just doesn't make sense to me.
You're saying I was never able to see my file after I save as to png or
jpg, in
prior versions of GIMP.
I don't think anyone here is deliberately giving out bad information, but I
just don't
understand this. I still have GIMP 2.6 on a very
On Fri, 2014-01-10 at 15:19 -0500, Helen wrote:
Ok, I'm trying, but this just doesn't make sense to me.
You're saying I was never able to see my file after I save as to png or
jpg, in
prior versions of GIMP.
Helen, I think what's going on here is a question of people using words
differently,
Hi Helen.
Helen (etter...@gmail.com) wrote:
I still have GIMP 2.6 on a very old Think-Pad laptop
running ubuntu.
I can not only see the file after I save as but I can also edit it.
Here is a screenshot. I opened gimp create new made one blend stroke,
then Saved As jpg.
I do see the file.
09 янв. 2014 г. 19:15 пользователь lisanet for...@gimpusers.com написал:
Just as a proof of concept I've patched all of my current builds (since
2.8.6)
and provided such a switch.
I was not aware of that, thanks for telling.
And that's coming from someone who's been developing software for
This feature imposes no hardship on any user and occasionally prevents
lost work.
This is so obviously wrong that I wonder whether different gimp users are
experiencing the
same behavior. If this were a matter of receiving an unnecessary warning,
then I would agree that
the passion is
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Helen wrote:
Several gimp users (including me) have said that the problem is that the
file disappears. It is gone.
It is no longer on the screen. I don't know how to say this more clearly.
Step-by-step explanation of what you do and what happens usually
Helen,
id id as much as dig messages of you from last June to
understand what you are talking about and your context.
And it seems to me that you fundamentantaly misunderstood one
or more things.
You are complaining that now when you export to JPG the file
disapears from your screen. After
On 01/08/2014 11:51 AM, Helen wrote:
This feature imposes no hardship on any user and occasionally
prevents lost work.
This is so obviously wrong that I wonder whether different gimp
users are experiencing the
same behavior. If this were a matter of receiving an unnecessary
warning,
Alexandre wrote,
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Helen wrote:
Several gimp users (including me) have said that the problem is that the
file disappears. It is gone.
It is no longer on the screen. I don't know how to say this more clearly.
Step-by-step explanation of what you do and
On Mon, 06 Jan 2014 20:13:00 +0100
Wolfgang Hugemann a...@hugemann.de wrote:
Perhaps it would suffice to turn special warning messages permanently
off, something like a checkbox in the warning dialog: Don't show this
message again. This is rather common in modern programs and would make
On 01/07/2014 09:45 AM, John Coppens wrote:
http://www.shallowsky.com/software/gimp-save/
This plugin provides a new 'file command' for the GIMP, which exports, and
also marks the file as clean, so the confirmation does not appear anymore.
It was posted by Akkana on this list a long time
Aww, then what would we have to argue about? ;-)
On 1/7/2014 3:46 PM, Steve Kinney wrote:
On 01/07/2014 09:45 AM, John Coppens wrote:
http://www.shallowsky.com/software/gimp-save/
This plugin provides a new 'file command' for the GIMP, which exports, and
also marks the file as clean, so the
On 01/07/2014 05:47 PM, John Meyer wrote:
Aww, then what would we have to argue about? ;-)
There will always be users who think the GIMP is too complicated
or just too hard. And trolls gonna troll no matter what.
Some few people think those mean old big shots who help maintain
the GIMP and
Steve Kinney (ad...@pilobilus.net) wrote:
The big shots in the GIMP ecosystem would rather let
morons rant, than err on the side of censorship and maybe, just
possibly, accidentally prevent some useful discussion or
information from making the rounds.
Thanks for viewing us in that way.
On 01/07/2014 07:49 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote:
On 08.01.2014 00:43, Simon Budig wrote:
We indeed try to not be too quick with the trigger, but some people
just seem to ask for it.
Some people have asked us to be a bit^wlot quicker, though. Mostly
because they use this mailing list as
On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 11:07:55 -0700
John Meyer johnme...@pueblocomputing.com wrote:
Infrequent user of GIMP, but I'll ask: is there no way to map the
control keys differently?
Yes you can reassign the control keys. But that doesn't completely solve
the inconvenience. Ypu still have to confirm
Am 04.01.2014 14:40, schrieb Daniel Hauck:
I think my favorite argument against user preference options is that
it's too hard and complicated. GiMP is already a masterpiece of
complexity and effectiveness. Writing in an additional user preference
is somehow too much though.
Perhaps it would
On 01/03/2014 01:51 PM, akovia wrote:
On 01/03/2014 05:21 AM, Liam R E Quin wrote:
It's lucky that GIMP now works like so many other programs - inkscape,
You're wrong: gimp editor works differently. All editors, free or not free,
save work in a normal way, except gimp. This misinformation
qelvin5500 (qelvin5...@gmail.com) wrote:
*Creating pictures* is a job, developing a software to create these
picture is a different job.
Developing GIMP is a Hobby, not a Job.
Bye,
Simon
--
si...@budig.de http://simon.budig.de/
I also find GIMP's save-as behaviour very strange, but I have understood
that there is no use in longer discussion about that. For the future I
have two suggestions:
1) Allow for more user preferences.
Why not leave the choice to me whether I would like to be warned when
saving in a lossy
It does not matter what anyone else thinks. That part should be clear.
It doesn't matter what people want. That much should be clear.
What matters is the perception of the perception of the program in
question. (Yes, I said perception twice like that) Some people think a
thing needs to
To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
From: j...@cjsa.com
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 22:14:29 +
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] gimp users matter
Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net writes:
Whether Ctrl-S/Ctrl-E were swapped in the process is a matter for discussion
(I wouldn't care if they stayed
On Sat, 2014-01-04 at 09:26 -0800, Richard wrote:
To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
From: j...@cjsa.com
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 22:14:29 +
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] gimp users matter
Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net writes:
Whether Ctrl-S/Ctrl-E were swapped in the process is a matter
On 01/04/2014 04:17 AM, Simon Budig wrote:
qelvin5500 (qelvin5...@gmail.com) wrote:
*Creating pictures* is a job, developing a software to create these
picture is a different job.
Developing GIMP is a Hobby, not a Job.
Bye,
Simon
Whether a job or a hobby, prioritizing effectively is
Sorry i should have been more specific.. (and i know its not Gimp
specific, just a fellow photographer looking to help a friend)
I have some pictures taken on an Sony DSC-W510 digital camera, and they
are/have become corrupted? the thumbnail shows up, in windows(win7)
osx(10.6), debian 7.2
On 01/04/2014 03:09 PM, Phil wrote:
I have some pictures taken on an Sony DSC-W510 digital camera, and they
are/have become corrupted? the thumbnail shows up, in windows(win7)
osx(10.6), debian 7.2 must be different as it shows the corruption up in
thumbnail preview, but when viewing the full
You know, when you put it that way, I have to concede your point. There
are some things in future-GiMP which are more important than a UI
change. (Though I dare say few as trivial as the UI change under
discussion.)
But we, the users, aren't asking for something new. We're asking for
Appears you've accidentally hijacked a dispute thread - - -
On 01/04/2014 12:31 PM, Elle Stone wrote:
On 01/04/2014 03:09 PM, Phil wrote:
I have some pictures taken on an Sony DSC-W510 digital camera, and they
are/have become corrupted? the thumbnail shows up, in windows(win7)
osx(10.6),
On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 6:04 AM, Daniel Hauck wrote:
No, I don't think so because this isn't a democratic situation. What you
think rules out over what many others independently think and agree upon.
But let me ask you this and I'll shut up. Do you use a Dvorak keyboard or a
Querty? And
On 01/03/2014 05:21 AM, Liam R E Quin wrote:
It's lucky that GIMP now works like so many other programs - inkscape,
open office, blender, spreadsheet programs, ...
You're wrong: gimp editor works differently. All editors, free or not
free, save work in a normal way, except gimp. This
On 2 January 2014 23:20, Daniel Hauck dan...@yacg.com wrote:
If I intended it only for you, why would you be so rude as to publish
something I wrote only to you in a public list?
Sorry. It was a SNAFU due to the nature of the GUI of this webmail client.
on which I have no control over, and
On Fri, Jan 3, 2014, at 07:28 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 4:17 PM, qelvin5500 wrote:
On 01/03/2014 05:21 AM, Liam R E Quin wrote:
It's lucky that GIMP now works like so many other programs - inkscape,
open office, blender, spreadsheet programs, ...
Daniel Hauck (dan...@yacg.com) wrote:
Nice spin.
What spin? You claimed that querty (you probbly mean qwerty btw.) was
designed to be inefficient, when in fact it was designed for a faster
typing speed.
Who is doing the spin here?
Sure, without the cumbersome mechanics there are better and
On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Simon Budig wrote:
Daniel Hauck wrote:
Nice spin.
What spin? You claimed that querty (you probbly mean qwerty btw.) was
designed to be inefficient, when in fact it was designed for a faster
typing speed.
Who is doing the spin here?
People behind the
On 1/2/2014 4:17 PM, akovia wrote:
I've watched these threads come an go and I must be missing something.
When this new behavior first arrived, like everyone else I was used to
the old way and having to learn a new work-flow is never fun. Regardless
I just figured this was the way it was going
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 23:04:50 -0200
From: gwid...@mpc.com.br
To: dan...@yacg.com; gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] gimp users matter
ok. Stop there.
open a txt file with ms word.Not a .doc, docx, odt.
click file-save.
Read what it tells you. I rest the case
On 01/02/2014 08:48 PM, Daniel Hauck wrote:
Yes and I'm pretty sure most people are getting what I'm driving at
-- standards of function, design and behavior.
I never read more than one or two messages per 100 in Save Vs.
Export Blows Goats (I Have Proof) threads, but if what you are
driving
03 янв. 2014 г. 22:55 пользователь Steve Kinney ad...@pilobilus.net
написал:
On 01/02/2014 08:48 PM, Daniel Hauck wrote:
Yes and I'm pretty sure most people are getting what I'm driving at
-- standards of function, design and behavior.
I never read more than one or two messages per 100 in
On Fri, 3 Jan 2014 10:16:07 -0800, Richard wrote:
Sure, RTF supports many of THE most commonly used text editing features
(bold/italic/underline, tabs/indents/spacing, font face/size/color) but it
doesn't support many advanced Word features (widow/orphan control, footnotes,
column layouts,
To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
From: jernej|s-gm...@eternallybored.org
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 21:41:57 +0100
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] gimp users matter
On Fri, 3 Jan 2014 10:16:07 -0800, Richard wrote:
Sure, RTF supports many of THE most commonly used text editing features
(bold/italic
Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net writes:
Constructive suggestions about how to make a more coherent workflow in
GIMP are welcomed. Whining about change is not so welcome.
Liam:
I will take you up on your offer to make a constructive GUI suggestion.
I fully understand the arguments for the
...@eternallybored.org
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 21:41:57 +0100
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] gimp users matter
On Fri, 3 Jan 2014 10:16:07 -0800, Richard wrote:
Sure, RTF supports many of THE most commonly used text editing
features (bold/italic/underline, tabs/indents/spacing, font
face/size/color
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 2:14 AM, Jeffery Small wrote:
My simple solution is to provide a workflow switch in the preferences
that flips back and forth between the two workflow paradigms.
Which has already been evaluated and denied.
In his blog post on GIMP 2.8: understanding UI changes,
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 3:54 AM, Steve Kinney wrote:
I'm all for standards of function, design and behavior.
Like for instance, when the GIMP saves a file, this file preserves
the state of the project's work in progress; it is a project file,
not an image file.
And for instance, when
On Fri, 2014-01-03 at 22:14 +, Jeffery Small wrote:
Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net writes:
[...]
I will take you up on your offer to make a constructive GUI suggestion.
I fully understand the arguments for the workflow change that was made to
GIMP 2.8. What I think was lost in the
I have seldom if ever posted to the list, but I wish to reply to, endorse,
post by Norbert Preining in which he takes to task those who resort to
name-calling (we who mourn a lost but valuable feature are called whiners
and our valid observations belittled). Norbert says
I am myself
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 11:36 PM, Robert Vorsteg wrote:
Yes. And a more important point that Norbert goes on to make is that
developers should listen to users and take theminto account.
I've listened to you. I still disagree with you.
Are there any GIMP developers who read this list?
Push
Robert, tell me -
If you open would open a 2D drawing with a CAD software, do a lot
of editing with
3D operations, what would you expect it to do when you press save?
One thing is certain, we should insist that when you open any
non-XCF file, it should be listed as an import operation - it
Hmmm Robert.
I'm only a User of GIMP not a developer of any other Software.
I can't understand the Problem!
IMO is the new Save-Command to Save in XCF the only right way.
According to my understanding is the JPG not the right Format to save my Work in
the Work Process.
JPG is the Format
I've watched these threads come an go and I must be missing something.
When this new behavior first arrived, like everyone else I was used to
the old way and having to learn a new work-flow is never fun. Regardless
I just figured this was the way it was going to be so I adopted it
immediately. At
On 01/02/2014 06:17 PM, akovia wrote:
I've watched these threads come an go and I must be missing something.
When this new behavior first arrived, like everyone else I was used to
the old way and having to learn a new work-flow is never fun. Regardless
I just figured this was the way it was
On 2 January 2014 19:52, Daniel Hauck dan...@yacg.com wrote:
I think you're missing the point. MOST users, just as with almost all other
software, do not use the advanced features of advanced software. I see it
all the time. I see people load up MS Word to check the spelling of
something
I'm agree with jankardel, :)
I prefer to keep the xcf, when I wanna save (i.e. by pressing ctrl+s) my
gimp project.
Then when I wanna export it to any other filetype (png, jpeg, gif, pdf etc)
I prefer push the ctrl+E for exporting it..
But, maybe the gimp developer should add a feature to
On 2 January 2014 19:52, Daniel Hauck wrote:
I think you're missing the point. MOST users, just as with almost all other
software, do not use the advanced features of advanced software.
Frankly, this is the first time I hear about a culture where it's
socially acceptable nay desirable to
Come on. I just cited numerous examples. For example, while there is
no reason it can't be done otherwise, up on a map is always north and
down is south. If your in the southern hemisphere, there's no reason
they should feel like their maps shouldn't depict their location to be
at the top.
Are we still talking about GIMP?
Alexandre
03 янв. 2014 г. 5:36 пользователь Daniel Hauck написал:
Come on. I just cited numerous examples. For example, while there is no
reason it can't be done otherwise, up on a map is always north and down
is south...
Actually there is a crucial point of workflows that you are missing. In
order to make workflows work well for everyone, everything should be
done in approximately the same way. Each function in a GUI should use
similar hotkeys, similar menu functions and all that. This was a well
If I intended it only for you, why would you be so rude as to publish
something I wrote only to you in a public list?
On 01/02/2014 08:04 PM, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote:
On 2 January 2014 19:52, Daniel Hauck dan...@yacg.com wrote:
I think you're missing the point. MOST users, just as with almost
Daniel,
We've been through this argument about standards many times. Do you really
think this time you are going to finally win?
(The answer is no, by the way.)
Alexandre
03 янв. 2014 г. 5:50 пользователь Daniel Hauck dan...@yacg.com написал:
Yes and I'm pretty sure most people are getting
No, I don't think so because this isn't a democratic situation. What
you think rules out over what many others independently think and agree
upon.
But let me ask you this and I'll shut up. Do you use a Dvorak keyboard
or a Querty? And why?
It's a loaded question, of course. If you
Daniel Hauck (dan...@yacg.com) wrote:
But if you answer Querty, you lose because the world knows querty
was inefficient by design
May I quote Wikipedia?
Contrary to popular belief, the QWERTY layout was not designed to
slow the typist down, but rather to speed up typing by preventing
jams.
Nice spin. Yes, it was for mechanical reasons and to prevent the arms
which had letters slamming against the ribbon and paper at a single
point from hitting each other. Original layouts were based on
convenience based on logical notions such as alphabetic order and
frequency of use. The
On Thu, 2014-01-02 at 14:36 -0500, Robert Vorsteg wrote:
- opening a jpg file
- editing
- saving
should result in a saved version of the original file,
If you happen to be using a JPEG editor that's probably true, although
watch that since JPEG compression is lossy this is not always
On Thu, 2014-01-02 at 20:19 -0500, Daniel Hauck wrote:
[...]
And here's the real issue why it's still a real issue. When one program
does something so very differently from all the others in your
workflows, that one program represents a requirement to stop and think
which is, in fact, an
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