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Now you're confusing your wars, you mean Hitler and Tojo.

You left yourself open before, we used nukes against an aggressor country, 
thats fair game, the Japanese knew retribution was coming.
Syria is a different ball of wax though I'm not completely convinced yet about 
who exactly unleashed the chemical weapons. Maybe I'm just jaded but I don't 
trust anything I see on television. Sure it looks like those people had been 
gassed but I can set that up in my backyard in 2 hours...

-Curt


Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 21:32:20 -0700
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:
   fortunately
 we were able to stop the kaiser from enslaving us, or, oh boy, think how
 stupid we'd be looking right now wearing those helmets with those points on
 them while living in a wurst eating servitude!

 be offended by anyone who might disagree with you.  accuse them of trying
 to enslave you.  feign the moral high ground and then kill, kill, kill!



I have absolutely no problem claiming the moral high ground over
Hitler and Stalin.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

Chinese didn't seem so thrilled with Japanese occupation...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 01:02:00 -0400
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i believe you started by expressing how deeply offensive you found the
sentiment that japanese civilians ought not have been killed in large
number by nuclear attack.  hitler was already dead and your country
undertook this in league with stalin. so what does talk of hitler and
stalin have to do with this?   is it just a matter of you liking to spout
cliches to justify anything or are you genuinely this confused?

and you fail to answer my question as to whether you seriously feel you'd
have been enslaved today but for the nuking of japanese civilians?

do you fear they'd force feed you sushi and would you not like it if they
did?

i'm going to sleep.  should ali baba come enslave me overnight and i not be
heard from again, please accept my apologies for doubting your wisdom and
accept that i concede to your correct position
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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-09 Thread WILTON

That's right - Buck.  Thanks.  Who was Jack Ripper?  Was that the Col. Nut 
barricaded in his office?

Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

Frying chickens in the barnyard!

George C. Scott was General Buck Turgidson.

Dan and sug - be sure to say your prayers.

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 8, 2013, at 10:49 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

Yes, I understand that; I'm afraid, though, that many think/thought that
a lot of that satire was depicting real life, or maybe, didn't get the
joke(s).  Because I was living it for real every day (overall for nearly
fourteen years), it was a bit hard on me to know that some people
think/thought that was the way it really was.  'Don't mean to imply any
discredit to the movie - it was/is, after all, a MOVIE - entertainment -
not a completely accurate representation of the real flight and actions
that I lived daily.  Isn't that the way of most any movie, play, etc.,
for one who is intimately familiar with the story in real life?

BTW, one of the best scenes for me was when George C. Scott (was it Gen.
Jack Ripper?) was enthusiastically telling the President how the bomber
could get right on down REAL LOW, beneath the radar - stuff we
practiced on every training mission.

I've enjoyed the movie several times, too.  When I get a chance, I'll see
it again.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

Sheesh Wilton now you've done it. I wrote not one, not two but THREE
papers on that movie in college.

No joke, I went to film school remember. I actually saw the movie in
class, I can't remember if it was Film History or something else. I did
write a paper on it for Film History, another was a technical dissection
for Lighting, I can't remember the third other than I did it, maybe
something on the use of black and white as an artistic decision...

Anyway don't for one second thing any of the dialog in that movie was
written by accident. If its stilted its stilted on purpose...

-Curt

Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 18:49:16 -0400
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling
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Yep, Slim (T. J.) did mention the special items, didn't he?

No such inventory would ever have occurred in flight on a real such
mission.
Example of writer trying to insert another joke.

BTW, y'all do realize, don't you that most (almost ALL) of the stuff in
that
movie was BS from somebody's imagination. For example, pilot never read
any
checklist for bombing or its prep and sure as Hell wouldn't have gone
into
the bomb bay for ANYTHING - if anybody did, it would have been the
navigator
or radar-navigator/bombardier. All of the in flight dialog was very
stilted, imaginary BS - not like the real world at all.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-09 Thread Dan Penoff

Yes, Jack Ripper was the precious bodily fluids guy.

Dan who does not want a mine shaft gap

On Sep 9, 2013, at 9:46 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 That's right - Buck.  Thanks.  Who was Jack Ripper?  Was that the Col. Nut 
 barricaded in his office?
 
 Wilt
 
 - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 11:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling
 
 
 Frying chickens in the barnyard!
 
 George C. Scott was General Buck Turgidson.
 
 Dan and sug - be sure to say your prayers.
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Sep 8, 2013, at 10:49 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 
 Yes, I understand that; I'm afraid, though, that many think/thought that
 a lot of that satire was depicting real life, or maybe, didn't get the
 joke(s).  Because I was living it for real every day (overall for nearly
 fourteen years), it was a bit hard on me to know that some people
 think/thought that was the way it really was.  'Don't mean to imply any
 discredit to the movie - it was/is, after all, a MOVIE - entertainment -
 not a completely accurate representation of the real flight and actions
 that I lived daily.  Isn't that the way of most any movie, play, etc.,
 for one who is intimately familiar with the story in real life?
 
 BTW, one of the best scenes for me was when George C. Scott (was it Gen.
 Jack Ripper?) was enthusiastically telling the President how the bomber
 could get right on down REAL LOW, beneath the radar - stuff we
 practiced on every training mission.
 
 I've enjoyed the movie several times, too.  When I get a chance, I'll see
 it again.
 
 Wilton
 
 - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
 To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 9:50 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling
 
 
 Sheesh Wilton now you've done it. I wrote not one, not two but THREE
 papers on that movie in college.
 
 No joke, I went to film school remember. I actually saw the movie in
 class, I can't remember if it was Film History or something else. I did
 write a paper on it for Film History, another was a technical dissection
 for Lighting, I can't remember the third other than I did it, maybe
 something on the use of black and white as an artistic decision...
 
 Anyway don't for one second thing any of the dialog in that movie was
 written by accident. If its stilted its stilted on purpose...
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 18:49:16 -0400
 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling
 Message-ID: 8F57E18D42004311AD58ADCEDC72B4D8@wiltonPC
 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
 reply-type=original
 
 Yep, Slim (T. J.) did mention the special items, didn't he?
 
 No such inventory would ever have occurred in flight on a real such
 mission.
 Example of writer trying to insert another joke.
 
 BTW, y'all do realize, don't you that most (almost ALL) of the stuff in
 that
 movie was BS from somebody's imagination. For example, pilot never read
 any
 checklist for bombing or its prep and sure as Hell wouldn't have gone
 into
 the bomb bay for ANYTHING - if anybody did, it would have been the
 navigator
 or radar-navigator/bombardier. All of the in flight dialog was very
 stilted, imaginary BS - not like the real world at all.
 
 Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-09 Thread Rick Knoble

On Sep 9, 2013, at 8:37 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Sure it looks like those people had been gassed but I can set that up in my 
 backyard in 2 hours...


Wag The Dog?

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

Too right, but these days anybody with a phone and a computer (maybe even just 
their phone) can make most of that happen...

I've been thinking about that movie a lot lately, surprised it hasn't been 
mentioned.


-Curt


Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 09:08:54 -0500
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On Sep 9, 2013, at 8:37 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Sure it looks like those people had been gassed but I can set that up in my 
 backyard in 2 hours...


Wag The Dog?

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-09 Thread Craig

On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 07:22:39 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond
curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Too right, but these days anybody with a phone and a computer (maybe
 even just their phone) can make most of that happen...
 
 I've been thinking about that movie a lot lately, surprised it hasn't
 been mentioned.


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wag+the+dog

3. wag the dog

To start a war or military operation to divert negative politcal
attention away from yourself. Based on the movie of the same name, where
the President fabricates a fake war to take political pressure away from
a scandal. When Cater ordered Opertaion Eagle Claw he was playing wag the
dog, because he was a very unpopular and weak President and wanted to
seem like he handled it strongly.

It is suggested that Clinton wagged the dog by helping NATO bomb Kosovo
at the same time as the Lewinski scandal. This theory came about because
the film had just been released.

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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-09 Thread Mitch Haley


Curt Raymond wrote:

Chinese didn't seem so thrilled with Japanese occupation...


I went to college with a girl whose Chinese born grandparents refused to
sit in a Toyota 40 years later.

On the subject of nuking Japanese cities, isn't it still commonly accepted that 
taking Japan and Okinawa inch by inch like giant versions of Iwo Jima would have 
been far bloodier than dropping a couple of low yield nukes?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

What was the alternative? We saw how difficult it was to take Iwo Jima and 
other pacific islands. The Japanese weren't about to just stop and lay down 
their arms.

We're talking about an Imperialist government that had proven it had zero 
regard for any of the peoples it enslaved. Thats not our theoretical 
enslavement, they really did roll into places like China and the Philippines 
and enslave them. If those innocent people that we dropped nukes on had said 
No don't do this to their own government we wouldn't have had to make our 
move. We had to convince the Japanese leadership that we had the biggest stick 
on the planet and they had two options: stop fighting and learn to place nice 
or die.

Witness what happened afterward, we went from big bad bully with the stick to 
Japan's best friend. We rebuilt the place and set them up to bypass us in 
manufacturing prowess, then bought everything they made...

Of course we apparently also taught them how to screw up the gravy train.

-Curt


Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 12:56:41 -0400
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my point is mainly that it is super suspicious that there is always this
story of an evil power intent on taking over the world to enslave
everyone unless we stop them.  it is the stuff of pro wrestling and
children's cartoons and it is nonsense.  combine this with our missionary
zeal to aggressively free those who are enslaved around the world and
we have become one of the greatest menaces to human life and liberty in the
history of the world.  i read an article just the other day that cites 8
million dead since WWII at the hands of the USA war machine. , i think the
american are finally starting to smarten up, albeit in small but growing
numbers, that joining the syrian civil war is not actually going to serve
to make the world safe for democracy  american imperialism ought not be
tolerated by the people and the warfare state needs to be dismantled.  to
much of the world, we are today that crazy enemy force and i believe our
survival as a nation depends on people opposing our behaving in the manner
that makes us such

i'd like you to recognize that opposition to massacre of civilian
populations as retribution for war crimes committed by unrelated members of
the same nation is not an unreasonable position,.  some of us do not
support this and some of us will not murderous military adventures around
the globe, both for moral and pragmatic reasons.  i suggest instead that
war is best avoided, even if you are the biggest kid on the block and can
do the lion's share of the killing
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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-09 Thread Larry T

Actually we invaded Okinawa and the civilians had been so heavily 
propagandized to believe the USA would rape and murder every person they 
came upon that many threw themselves from cliffs -I think it was 
something over 1000 that did so.  There is video showing people doing 
this and it is very disturbing.   Also, the civilians in Japans - down 
to 6 year olds were being armed with sticks and grenades to use when the 
Americans arrived.  They estimated the US would lose 1 million or more 
men with 2-3 times that many Japanese killed.The use of nuclear 
weapons saved many lives - millions actually.


You are certainly right about Iwo Jima being a killing field for the US 
- the sand was like quicksand and the Japanese had pre-sighted all the 
landing areas so they had no trouble hitting American targets - also, 
the beach head was narrow as they had trouble moving off the beach so 
the US had a lot of soldiers in a small area which the Japanese shelled 
at will.I suspect the landing beaches on Japan itself would have 
been as bad or worse...


LarryT

On 9/9/2013 11:01 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Curt Raymond wrote:

Chinese didn't seem so thrilled with Japanese occupation...


I went to college with a girl whose Chinese born grandparents refused to
sit in a Toyota 40 years later.

On the subject of nuking Japanese cities, isn't it still commonly 
accepted that taking Japan and Okinawa inch by inch like giant 
versions of Iwo Jima would have been far bloodier than dropping a 
couple of low yield nukes?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-09 Thread Mountain Man

Mitch wrote:
 On the subject of nuking Japanese cities, isn't it still commonly accepted
 that taking Japan and Okinawa inch by inch like giant versions of Iwo Jima
 would have been far bloodier than dropping a couple of low yield nukes?


And isn't any acceptance of any type of argument of this sort more wag
the dog?  i.e. divert the argument to a stance you think you can win.
USA, no matter the argument for/against, has never been held to
account as the lone country on the planet for use of this most
terrible of terrible weapons.  Go ahead, wag the dog again.  btw, I
can accept any of the posited wag the dog argument supporting
Nagasake/Hiroshima, but...
Standard banned closure, omitted.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-09 Thread Dan Penoff

I believe that was the contention at the time, and given the circumstances and 
experiences up to that point, seems like a valid conclusion.

We have a friend who is Filipino that saw the Japanese rape and kill her mother 
and sister during their occupation of the Philippines during WW2. It goes 
without saying that she has very strong opinions about them as a people.

Dan

On Sep 9, 2013, at 11:05 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Curt Raymond wrote:
 Chinese didn't seem so thrilled with Japanese occupation...
 
 I went to college with a girl whose Chinese born grandparents refused to
 sit in a Toyota 40 years later.
 
 On the subject of nuking Japanese cities, isn't it still commonly accepted 
 that taking Japan and Okinawa inch by inch like giant versions of Iwo Jima 
 would have been far bloodier than dropping a couple of low yield nukes?
 
 Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

and many are not so thrilled with USA occupation.  you'd figure maybe this
would give a 3rd party, say russia, the right to nuke baltimore?  you'd be
satisfied with that or do your principle only apply to other and not the
USA?

you don't address the point i make anyway.  it is absolutely pointless to
engage in this discussion as there is no actual discussion


On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Chinese didn't seem so thrilled with Japanese occupation...

 -Curt


 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 01:02:00 -0400
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 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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 i believe you started by expressing how deeply offensive you found the
 sentiment that japanese civilians ought not have been killed in large
 number by nuclear attack.  hitler was already dead and your country
 undertook this in league with stalin. so what does talk of hitler and
 stalin have to do with this?   is it just a matter of you liking to spout
 cliches to justify anything or are you genuinely this confused?

 and you fail to answer my question as to whether you seriously feel you'd
 have been enslaved today but for the nuking of japanese civilians?

 do you fear they'd force feed you sushi and would you not like it if they
 did?

 i'm going to sleep.  should ali baba come enslave me overnight and i not be
 heard from again, please accept my apologies for doubting your wisdom and
 accept that i concede to your correct position
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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-09 Thread G Mann

Personally... I'm deeply troubled that the same folks who screamed Foul
!! , and have continued to, over the invasion of Iraq after apparently no
substantiated  proof of weapons of mass destruction held and used by
Saddam... are now withholding clear evidence there was chemical weapons
used are now demanding we become the police agency for the world of bad
actor nations.

I'm further troubled that the pictures used by Sec of State John anti war
in Vietnam Kerry in his press conference are quickly identified by the
professional photographer who took them.. in Iraq, in 2003, and they were
conveniently now claimed to be of Syrians and recent...
I am particularly troubled that, by admission in that same press
conference, Sec Kerry revealed the Saudi government offered to totally
fund the overthrow of Syria leadership.. in effect, hiring our military
for private use... vexing conflict of Constitutional use of military
anyone?

I am, however, joined by many others who smell something unclean about all
this.  Apparently, America is not quite as comatose as believed.  The phone
lines to congress are jammed.. people are marching in the streets...
worldwide.

Grant..


On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 6:37 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Now you're confusing your wars, you mean Hitler and Tojo.

 You left yourself open before, we used nukes against an aggressor country,
 thats fair game, the Japanese knew retribution was coming.
 Syria is a different ball of wax though I'm not completely convinced yet
 about who exactly unleashed the chemical weapons. Maybe I'm just jaded but
 I don't trust anything I see on television. Sure it looks like those people
 had been gassed but I can set that up in my backyard in 2 hours...

 -Curt


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 On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:
fortunately
  we were able to stop the kaiser from enslaving us, or, oh boy, think how
  stupid we'd be looking right now wearing those helmets with those points
 on
  them while living in a wurst eating servitude!
 
  be offended by anyone who might disagree with you.  accuse them of trying
  to enslave you.  feign the moral high ground and then kill, kill, kill!
 


 I have absolutely no problem claiming the moral high ground over
 Hitler and Stalin.

 Alex
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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-09 Thread Larry T

There are some theories that the chemical weapons were used by the 
terrorist / freedom fighters which they stole during an occupation of 
the current administrations military base. their intent was just what 
obama wants to do - have a super power help them win the rebellion...


As far as what kerry says - IMO he has been discredited many times as 
saying whatever he thinks will forward his political career. When caught 
in a lie he changes his story.


I also dislike seeing the US Military used when convenient.  We passed 
on many massacres without explanation  -- like the killing of many in 
Rwanda,


Unfortunately our leaders are politicians who are just men - with all 
the weaknesses and it appears they have motives driven by personal 
agendas meant to make themselves more powerful and more wealthy.


LarryT

On 9/9/2013 11:33 AM, G Mann wrote:

Personally... I'm deeply troubled that the same folks who screamed Foul
!! , and have continued to, over the invasion of Iraq after apparently no
substantiated  proof of weapons of mass destruction held and used by
Saddam... are now withholding clear evidence there was chemical weapons
used are now demanding we become the police agency for the world of bad
actor nations.

I'm further troubled that the pictures used by Sec of State John anti war
in Vietnam Kerry in his press conference are quickly identified by the
professional photographer who took them.. in Iraq, in 2003, and they were
conveniently now claimed to be of Syrians and recent...
I am particularly troubled that, by admission in that same press
conference, Sec Kerry revealed the Saudi government offered to totally
fund the overthrow of Syria leadership.. in effect, hiring our military
for private use... vexing conflict of Constitutional use of military
anyone?

I am, however, joined by many others who smell something unclean about all
this.  Apparently, America is not quite as comatose as believed.  The phone
lines to congress are jammed.. people are marching in the streets...
worldwide.

Grant..


On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 6:37 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:


Now you're confusing your wars, you mean Hitler and Tojo.

You left yourself open before, we used nukes against an aggressor country,
thats fair game, the Japanese knew retribution was coming.
Syria is a different ball of wax though I'm not completely convinced yet
about who exactly unleashed the chemical weapons. Maybe I'm just jaded but
I don't trust anything I see on television. Sure it looks like those people
had been gassed but I can set that up in my backyard in 2 hours...

-Curt


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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

   fortunately
we were able to stop the kaiser from enslaving us, or, oh boy, think how
stupid we'd be looking right now wearing those helmets with those points

on

them while living in a wurst eating servitude!

be offended by anyone who might disagree with you.  accuse them of trying
to enslave you.  feign the moral high ground and then kill, kill, kill!



I have absolutely no problem claiming the moral high ground over
Hitler and Stalin.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

i'm not really caught up on the particular issue, but rather on this whole
messianic complex that we must constantly be  liberating people from
enslavement by evil forces trying to take over the world.  it is stupid
and mendacious  and it has gotten me cynical about all war.

as to the question of whether i can massacre civilians to reduce casualties
between combatants, i'm inclined to say no but i'd really rather be
addressing not fighting the war to begin with.

by invading occupying places such as iraq and afghanistan, all you do,
other than making certain select special interests richer, is spend a ton
of money you don't have to enrage the locals against you and erode your
credibility in the eyes of the world.  the people who push for these
programs justify them by using this nonsensical rhetoric and i'd like to
cut them off right there!


On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 What was the alternative? We saw how difficult it was to take Iwo Jima and
 other pacific islands. The Japanese weren't about to just stop and lay down
 their arms.

 We're talking about an Imperialist government that had proven it had zero
 regard for any of the peoples it enslaved. Thats not our theoretical
 enslavement, they really did roll into places like China and the
 Philippines and enslave them. If those innocent people that we dropped
 nukes on had said No don't do this to their own government we wouldn't
 have had to make our move. We had to convince the Japanese leadership that
 we had the biggest stick on the planet and they had two options: stop
 fighting and learn to place nice or die.

 Witness what happened afterward, we went from big bad bully with the stick
 to Japan's best friend. We rebuilt the place and set them up to bypass us
 in manufacturing prowess, then bought everything they made...

 Of course we apparently also taught them how to screw up the gravy train.

 -Curt


 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 12:56:41 -0400
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 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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 my point is mainly that it is super suspicious that there is always this
 story of an evil power intent on taking over the world to enslave
 everyone unless we stop them.  it is the stuff of pro wrestling and
 children's cartoons and it is nonsense.  combine this with our missionary
 zeal to aggressively free those who are enslaved around the world and
 we have become one of the greatest menaces to human life and liberty in the
 history of the world.  i read an article just the other day that cites 8
 million dead since WWII at the hands of the USA war machine. , i think the
 american are finally starting to smarten up, albeit in small but growing
 numbers, that joining the syrian civil war is not actually going to serve
 to make the world safe for democracy  american imperialism ought not be
 tolerated by the people and the warfare state needs to be dismantled.  to
 much of the world, we are today that crazy enemy force and i believe our
 survival as a nation depends on people opposing our behaving in the manner
 that makes us such

 i'd like you to recognize that opposition to massacre of civilian
 populations as retribution for war crimes committed by unrelated members of
 the same nation is not an unreasonable position,.  some of us do not
 support this and some of us will not murderous military adventures around
 the globe, both for moral and pragmatic reasons.  i suggest instead that
 war is best avoided, even if you are the biggest kid on the block and can
 do the lion's share of the killing
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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-09 Thread Craig

On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 08:33:48 -0700 G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

 Personally... I'm deeply troubled that the same folks who screamed Foul
 !! , and have continued to, over the invasion of Iraq after
 apparently no substantiated  proof of weapons of mass destruction
 held and used by Saddam... are now withholding clear evidence there was
 chemical weapons used are now demanding we become the police agency for
 the world of bad actor nations.

Yes, that is troubling.


 I'm further troubled that the pictures used by Sec of State John anti
 war in Vietnam Kerry in his press conference are quickly identified by
 the professional photographer who took them.. in Iraq, in 2003, and
 they were conveniently now claimed to be of Syrians and recent...
 I am particularly troubled that, by admission in that same press
 conference, Sec Kerry revealed the Saudi government offered to totally
 fund the overthrow of Syria leadership.. in effect, hiring our military
 for private use... vexing conflict of Constitutional use of military
 anyone?

Why are the media not trumpeting all this all across our nation? Oh,
yeah, we don't have a real media anymore, do we?


 I am, however, joined by many others who smell something unclean about
 all this.  Apparently, America is not quite as comatose as believed.
 The phone lines to congress are jammed.. people are marching in the
 streets... worldwide.

I called our Senators and Congressman earlier today and told them to vote
No on action in Syria, that to do nothing is a moral option when doing
anything would make a bad situation worse (taken from the Breakpoint
email I posted).

No problems getting through and took only a little time.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

my point is mainly that it is super suspicious that there is always this
story of an evil power intent on taking over the world to enslave
everyone unless we stop them.  it is the stuff of pro wrestling and
children's cartoons and it is nonsense.  combine this with our missionary
zeal to aggressively free those who are enslaved around the world and
we have become one of the greatest menaces to human life and liberty in the
history of the world.  i read an article just the other day that cites 8
million dead since WWII at the hands of the USA war machine. , i think the
american are finally starting to smarten up, albeit in small but growing
numbers, that joining the syrian civil war is not actually going to serve
to make the world safe for democracy  american imperialism ought not be
tolerated by the people and the warfare state needs to be dismantled.  to
much of the world, we are today that crazy enemy force and i believe our
survival as a nation depends on people opposing our behaving in the manner
that makes us such

i'd like you to recognize that opposition to massacre of civilian
populations as retribution for war crimes committed by unrelated members of
the same nation is not an unreasonable position,.  some of us do not
support this and some of us will not murderous military adventures around
the globe, both for moral and pragmatic reasons.  i suggest instead that
war is best avoided, even if you are the biggest kid on the block and can
do the lion's share of the killing


On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 So wait, whats your point again? You seemed to be suggesting that we had
 no real reason to stop the Japanese from taking over the world which was
 clearly their ambition in the '40s. I suggested that their heavy handed
 system of occupation was pretty clear in China, stuff like war prisoners
 buried alive, using dead bodies for bayonet practice, the use of comfort
 women, etc.

 This actually fits in with Craig's message earlier, the force used at
 Nagasaki and Hiroshima was massive but the Japanese had engaged in such a
 horrible war it was a justified use of force to stop a frankly crazy enemy
 force.

 Occupation is never a good thing but the US occupation of Japan can't in
 any way be compared with Japanese occupation of anywhere in any terms other
 than to say the US was as civilized as possible and the Japanese were
 horrible in general...

 -Curt

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 and many are not so thrilled with USA occupation.  you'd figure maybe this
 would give a 3rd party, say russia, the right to nuke baltimore?  you'd be
 satisfied with that or do your principle only apply to other and not the
 USA?

 you don't address the point i make anyway.  it is absolutely pointless to
 engage in this discussion as there is no actual discussion
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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-09 Thread Scott Ritchey


I find it really amusing how younger Americans who have never endured real
hardship, never been in a third world country, and never served their
country believe themselves qualified to judge decisions made in WWII.

By comparison, the damage and death from the Fatman and Little Boy are mild
in compared to the extensive fire bombing in Japan or Germany.  In fact
Nagasaki and Hiroshima were selected specifically because they were among
the few undamaged cities in Japan.  The military planners wanted to assess
the damage caused by the nucs and that would have been impossible in most
places which were already extensively damaged.  Construction practices in
Japan were particularly conducive to fires but the fire storms in Germany
(like Dresden) were a new phenomenon.

Oh, and my dad (who lived in a tent in China for three years) would never
ride in a Japanese car either.  He also wasn't fond of camping when we were
kids.

Scott

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch
Haley
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:01 AM


...On the subject of nuking Japanese cities, isn't it still commonly
accepted that taking Japan and Okinawa inch by inch like giant versions of
Iwo Jima would have been far bloodier than dropping a couple of low yield
nukes?

Mitch.




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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-09 Thread Mountain Man

drfatty wrote:
 for now,
 i'm not believing any cries of necessary or just wars and am presuming
 all wars are a sham unless shown otherwise . as it stands now, i will
 oppose any present and future USA war as i feel i've been had too many
 times with this same silly story

+1
mao

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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-09 Thread Scott Ritchey


Actually, that's exactly what we did using a mix of HE and phosphorous to
ensure good combustion (kindling plus spark).

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt
Raymond
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 4:31 PM

... For us that meant the nukes. We could have carpet bombed housing
complexes in Tokyo...

-Curt




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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-09 Thread Scott Ritchey


We really need to understand that we may not understand other societies.
The idea of pre WWII Japanese defying their Emperor was literally
unthinkable.  As mentioned in another post, this was a death before
dishonor culture; they literally would have fought to the death (or killed
themselves), soldier and civilian alike, before surrendering.  Surrender was
unthinkable which is why Japanese POWs were so docile:  the unthinkable had
happened.  That's also what made the final surrender possible: the enemy
(us) had developed an unthinkable weapon (nucs) which invalidated all the
old assumptions.

This begs the question:  What do we know about the various Middle Eastern
cultures?  Are we making a mistake in thinking they view the world like we
do?  Certainly some of the folks there seem irrational to us.  Does that
mean they are nuts or does it mean we just don't understand their culture.

I offer the example of the Falklands war.  Both cultures were pretty
similar.  But the Britts could not believe that anyone would take part of
their empire and not expect war.  At the same time, the Argentineans could
not believe anyone would come half-way across the world to fight over a
chunk rock.  Kinda reminds you of the run-up to WWI.

-Original Message-
Curt Raymond wrote on Monday, September 09, 2013 1:20 PM

... If those innocent people that we dropped nukes on had said No don't
do this to their own government we wouldn't have had to make our move. We
had to convince the Japanese leadership that we had the biggest stick on the
planet ...

-Curt





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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-09 Thread WILTON

But governments don't have memories.  There always young whippersnappers in 
charge who they have all the answers and think, We're gonna do it right 
this time.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling



Life teaches lessons.. War teaches lessons fast.. Same end result.. just
add carnage and suffering..

The lesson taught and learned in both theaters in WW2 was Don't do 
this..

it was both well taught.. and well learned... to whit.. Germany is now our
friend and makes good stuff.. Japan is now peaceful and our friend and
makes good stuff.. we trade with both.. neither is plotting our overthrow,
nor are we plotting theirs.. for the past 67 years...

War is about winning.. Winning requires that the winner bring so much
death, destruction, and hardship upon the opposition that they lose their
will to fight. That happened in WW2 ... in two theaters..

WW2 was the last clean war with clear objectives and clear opponents...
every conflict since then has been a political war with fuzzy definition 
of

who the sides really were and why..  For our entire lifetimes we have only
seen and been told fuzzy reasons to go to war...

Wonder why we no longer have a strong moral public compass?  I don't.

Grant...


On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:


Actually we invaded Okinawa and the civilians had been so heavily
propagandized to believe the USA would rape and murder every person they
came upon that many threw themselves from cliffs -I think it was
something over 1000 that did so.  There is video showing people doing 
this
and it is very disturbing.   Also, the civilians in Japans - down to 6 
year

olds were being armed with sticks and grenades to use when the Americans
arrived.  They estimated the US would lose 1 million or more men with 2-3
times that many Japanese killed.The use of nuclear weapons saved many
lives - millions actually.

You are certainly right about Iwo Jima being a killing field for the US -
the sand was like quicksand and the Japanese had pre-sighted all the
landing areas so they had no trouble hitting American targets - also, the
beach head was narrow as they had trouble moving off the beach so the US
had a lot of soldiers in a small area which the Japanese shelled at will.
 I suspect the landing beaches on Japan itself would have been as bad or
worse...

LarryT

On 9/9/2013 11:01 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:


Curt Raymond wrote:


Chinese didn't seem so thrilled with Japanese occupation...



I went to college with a girl whose Chinese born grandparents refused to
sit in a Toyota 40 years later.

On the subject of nuking Japanese cities, isn't it still commonly
accepted that taking Japan and Okinawa inch by inch like giant versions 
of
Iwo Jima would have been far bloodier than dropping a couple of low 
yield

nukes?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-09 Thread Randy Bennell


I think you are going off into left field there.

There is a difference between responding to a personal attack (like 
Pearl Harbour) and feeling like you need to be policeman for the world 
and send your people half way around the world to intervene on behalf of 
a group that won't thank you for it in the long run. (Afghanistan)


Randy


On 09/09/2013 3:31 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

So you're suggesting when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor we should have just 
sat back and done nothing?

I agree with you on Iraq and Afghanistan and I suspect we'd agree on Vietnam 
too but when you try to take the same ideal back into WWII your argument falls 
apart and you slip into grumbling old man territory. They're completely 
different sets of situations.
In the first we decided we didn't like what was going on so we trumped up some 
reasons to go change things.

In the latter we were attacked and responded. When it comes to war the only way 
to finish (I won't say win, I don't really think you ever win) is to be meaner 
and nastier and than the other guy. For us that meant the nukes. We could have 
carpet bombed housing complexes in Tokyo, in fact thats probably what we'd have 
ended up doing otherwise.

-Curt

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i'm not really caught up on the particular issue, but rather on this whole
messianic complex that we must constantly be  liberating people from
enslavement by evil forces trying to take over the world.  it is stupid
and mendacious  and it has gotten me cynical about all war.

as to the question of whether i can massacre civilians to reduce casualties
between combatants, i'm inclined to say no but i'd really rather be
addressing not fighting the war to begin with.

by invading occupying places such as iraq and afghanistan, all you do,
other than making certain select special interests richer, is spend a ton
of money you don't have to enrage the locals against you and erode your
credibility in the eyes of the world.  the people who push for these
programs justify them by using this nonsensical rhetoric and i'd like to
cut them off right there!
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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-09 Thread Randy Bennell


On 09/09/2013 3:22 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:


Oh, and my dad (who lived in a tent in China for three years) would never
ride in a Japanese car either.  He also wasn't fond of camping when we were
kids.

Scott



It is interesting that we have so forgiven the Germans and Japanese.

Churchill would be proud. He was very anxious to avoid the issues from 
WWI that he felt contributed to WWII.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-09 Thread G Mann

Life teaches lessons.. War teaches lessons fast.. Same end result.. just
add carnage and suffering..

The lesson taught and learned in both theaters in WW2 was Don't do this..
it was both well taught.. and well learned... to whit.. Germany is now our
friend and makes good stuff.. Japan is now peaceful and our friend and
makes good stuff.. we trade with both.. neither is plotting our overthrow,
nor are we plotting theirs.. for the past 67 years...

War is about winning.. Winning requires that the winner bring so much
death, destruction, and hardship upon the opposition that they lose their
will to fight. That happened in WW2 ... in two theaters..

WW2 was the last clean war with clear objectives and clear opponents...
every conflict since then has been a political war with fuzzy definition of
who the sides really were and why.. For our entire lifetimes we have only
seen and been told fuzzy reasons to go to war...

Wonder why we no longer have a strong moral public compass? I don't.

Grant...

On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:

Actually we invaded Okinawa and the civilians had been so heavily
propagandized to believe the USA would rape and murder every person they
came upon that many threw themselves from cliffs -I think it was
something over 1000 that did so. There is video showing people doing this
and it is very disturbing. Also, the civilians in Japans - down to 6 year
olds were being armed with sticks and grenades to use when the Americans
arrived. They estimated the US would lose 1 million or more men with 2-3
times that many Japanese killed.The use of nuclear weapons saved many
lives - millions actually.

You are certainly right about Iwo Jima being a killing field for the US -
the sand was like quicksand and the Japanese had pre-sighted all the
landing areas so they had no trouble hitting American targets - also, the
beach head was narrow as they had trouble moving off the beach so the US
had a lot of soldiers in a small area which the Japanese shelled at will.
I suspect the landing beaches on Japan itself would have been as bad or
worse...

LarryT

On 9/9/2013 11:01 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Curt Raymond wrote:

Chinese didn't seem so thrilled with Japanese occupation...

I went to college with a girl whose Chinese born grandparents refused to
sit in a Toyota 40 years later.

On the subject of nuking Japanese cities, isn't it still commonly
accepted that taking Japan and Okinawa inch by inch like giant versions of
Iwo Jima would have been far bloodier than dropping a couple of low yield
nukes?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

Strange times. I was shocked when Kerry was saying things like we can infer 
clear evidence. If its clear evidence we don't have to infer anything... Or 
This video is all we need to see which is one of the single stupidest lines 
I've ever heard.

I was against going into Iraq, at the time I said we'd be there for 10 years 
and I was wrong but only in that I didn't think it would be as bad as it has 
been. I'm against going into Syria or giving any support one way or the other 
because I can't determine who the good guys are...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 08:33:48 -0700
From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling
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Personally... I'm deeply troubled that the same folks who screamed Foul
!! , and have continued to, over the invasion of Iraq after apparently no
substantiated  proof of weapons of mass destruction held and used by
Saddam... are now withholding clear evidence there was chemical weapons
used are now demanding we become the police agency for the world of bad
actor nations.

I'm further troubled that the pictures used by Sec of State John anti war
in Vietnam Kerry in his press conference are quickly identified by the
professional photographer who took them.. in Iraq, in 2003, and they were
conveniently now claimed to be of Syrians and recent...
I am particularly troubled that, by admission in that same press
conference, Sec Kerry revealed the Saudi government offered to totally
fund the overthrow of Syria leadership.. in effect, hiring our military
for private use... vexing conflict of Constitutional use of military
anyone?

I am, however, joined by many others who smell something unclean about all
this.  Apparently, America is not quite as comatose as believed.  The phone
lines to congress are jammed.. people are marching in the streets...
worldwide.

Grant..
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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

So you're suggesting when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor we should have just 
sat back and done nothing?

I agree with you on Iraq and Afghanistan and I suspect we'd agree on Vietnam 
too but when you try to take the same ideal back into WWII your argument falls 
apart and you slip into grumbling old man territory. They're completely 
different sets of situations.
In the first we decided we didn't like what was going on so we trumped up some 
reasons to go change things.

In the latter we were attacked and responded. When it comes to war the only way 
to finish (I won't say win, I don't really think you ever win) is to be meaner 
and nastier and than the other guy. For us that meant the nukes. We could have 
carpet bombed housing complexes in Tokyo, in fact thats probably what we'd have 
ended up doing otherwise.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 13:34:51 -0400
From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling
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i'm not really caught up on the particular issue, but rather on this whole
messianic complex that we must constantly be  liberating people from
enslavement by evil forces trying to take over the world.  it is stupid
and mendacious  and it has gotten me cynical about all war.

as to the question of whether i can massacre civilians to reduce casualties
between combatants, i'm inclined to say no but i'd really rather be
addressing not fighting the war to begin with.

by invading occupying places such as iraq and afghanistan, all you do,
other than making certain select special interests richer, is spend a ton
of money you don't have to enrage the locals against you and erode your
credibility in the eyes of the world.  the people who push for these
programs justify them by using this nonsensical rhetoric and i'd like to
cut them off right there!
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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

i'm suggesting you aren't listening and are conducting a monologue.  i
haven't spoken of pearl harbor.  i am talking about making everyone we
disagree with in any way the ultimate enemy who seeks to enslave he world
and that was must stop them and save the world.  it is stupid, childish and
destructive and to ascribe noble motivations to it is just bizarre.  the
perpetual war machine is a lie and i am expressing my opposition to it.
maybe it's like the boy who cried wolf.  stop telling the same stupid story
as a lie as it might just turn out that someday it might be true.  for now,
i'm not believing any cries of necessary or just wars and am presuming
all wars are a sham unless shown otherwise . as it stands now, i will
oppose any present and future USA war as i feel i've been had too many
times with this same silly story


On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 So you're suggesting when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor we should have
 just sat back and done nothing?

 I agree with you on Iraq and Afghanistan and I suspect we'd agree on
 Vietnam too but when you try to take the same ideal back into WWII your
 argument falls apart and you slip into grumbling old man territory. They're
 completely different sets of situations.
 In the first we decided we didn't like what was going on so we trumped up
 some reasons to go change things.

 In the latter we were attacked and responded. When it comes to war the
 only way to finish (I won't say win, I don't really think you ever win) is
 to be meaner and nastier and than the other guy. For us that meant the
 nukes. We could have carpet bombed housing complexes in Tokyo, in fact
 thats probably what we'd have ended up doing otherwise.

 -Curt

 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 13:34:51 -0400
 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling
 Message-ID:
 CACioK3t4=og+z9fifnrggg5so0e91osu2fm2hkd1zya--cx...@mail.gmail.com
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 i'm not really caught up on the particular issue, but rather on this whole
 messianic complex that we must constantly be  liberating people from
 enslavement by evil forces trying to take over the world.  it is stupid
 and mendacious  and it has gotten me cynical about all war.

 as to the question of whether i can massacre civilians to reduce casualties
 between combatants, i'm inclined to say no but i'd really rather be
 addressing not fighting the war to begin with.

 by invading occupying places such as iraq and afghanistan, all you do,
 other than making certain select special interests richer, is spend a ton
 of money you don't have to enrage the locals against you and erode your
 credibility in the eyes of the world.  the people who push for these
 programs justify them by using this nonsensical rhetoric and i'd like to
 cut them off right there!
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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling own and own about Syria

2013-09-09 Thread Rich Thomas

I don't know about all the aspects and don't really care, but I do know 
that if you go trash talking about serious matters you had better be 
prepared to back up your trash talk (in all aspects). Especially if you 
are president (if indeed you really care about the country and it's 
standing, etc.).


I'm thinking this would be the best way to do it, fully adjustable for 
the pin-prick isolated site disruption, or large-scale urban renewal, 
for when your mouth is writing checks the UN (or anyone else) will not cash:


http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Weapons/W80.html

Don't stay on the porch barking, either run with the big dogs or STFU.  
That goes for your lesser pack members.  Option 1 is what will get the 
attention of the savages who are now in their 14th century of mutual 
smitation, and perhaps a bit of respect.  Anything else, might as well 
stay on the porch and STFU.


--R



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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

So wait, whats your point again? You seemed to be suggesting that we had no 
real reason to stop the Japanese from taking over the world which was clearly 
their ambition in the '40s. I suggested that their heavy handed system of 
occupation was pretty clear in China, stuff like war prisoners buried alive, 
using dead bodies for bayonet practice, the use of comfort women, etc.

This actually fits in with Craig's message earlier, the force used at Nagasaki 
and Hiroshima was massive but the Japanese had engaged in such a horrible war 
it was a justified use of force to stop a frankly crazy enemy force.

Occupation is never a good thing but the US occupation of Japan can't in any 
way be compared with Japanese occupation of anywhere in any terms other than to 
say the US was as civilized as possible and the Japanese were horrible in 
general...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 10:45:29 -0400
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling
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and many are not so thrilled with USA occupation.  you'd figure maybe this
would give a 3rd party, say russia, the right to nuke baltimore?  you'd be
satisfied with that or do your principle only apply to other and not the
USA?

you don't address the point i make anyway.  it is absolutely pointless to
engage in this discussion as there is no actual discussion
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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-09 Thread Mitch Haley


Scott Ritchey wrote:


Oh, and my dad (who lived in a tent in China for three years) would never
ride in a Japanese car either.  He also wasn't fond of camping when we were
kids.


My dad spent a few months in a tent in Morocco, where dinner was said to be cold 
cheese sammiches and cooked rice every single night. He'll eat a grilled cheese 
sammich, but has not eaten rice in 60 years.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-08 Thread Gary Hurst

it's possible i commingled 2 conversations.  i do remember mentioning
goering's preference for the model 10.  wilton could clear this up by
telling us what he trained on and what he carried or something like that

i have the model 19 rusty's father in law killed himself with.  the family
was going to just let it get smelted so i suggest it might be better to
just sign it over to me


On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote:


 I think Wilton later said it probably had a 4 inch barrel, maybe a model
 10.
 That's what I trained on in 1968.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gary
 Hurst
 Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 10:48 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

 he made claim that he was issued a small frame shot barrel revolver.  from
 his description it would be a J frame with a 2 or shorter barrel.  maybe
 he was issued a 4 inch barrel K frame.  so we are talking about different
 guns

 as for shooting your way out surrounded by your highly armed enemy, i don't
 think it's going to matter a while hill of beans whether you are toting a
 1911 or a k frame revolver.  neither will get you out and both leave you
 relatively unarmed

 however, if you were telling me we were going to have a gun fight and
 offered for me to choose my weapon i'd pick the 1911 and let you have the
 revolver every time.  i am unclear on why the air force chose to issue
 revolvers as well


 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:39 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

  We may be talking apples and oranges.. or we may be talking only apples..
  Apparently.. crew issue sidearms were at the discretion of the armory at
  the departing base.  Some flight crews were issued S  W, K frame/4 inch
  barrel/6 round revolvers.. which was authorized issue.  Others had access
  to the more desired Colt 1911 which were, sometimes available... Other
  crews were permitted to arm themselves with personally owned weapons.. at
  the discretion of the commanding officer.. most likely..
 
  Rank, after all.. has it's privilege, and Flight Officers did what they
  did.  In Wilton's case.. what ever happened happened..  I recall being
  issued the standard SW K frame.. and feeling seriously unarmed for the
  theater of operation.
 
 
 
 
  On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   that is a different gun than wilton describes he was issued.  are you
   saying he is confused or are you discussing a completely different
  subject
   than i am?  or am i confused at to wilton's claims?
  
  
   On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:13 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
  
http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-271423.html
   
K frame.. 4 inch barrel... early issue aluminum cylinders were drawn
  back
due to issues..
6 round cylinders... very little firepower when you are hanging from
   shroud
lines after punching out from a SAM damaged F4 and your LZ is
 populated
with black pajamas and AK's and SKS's with bayonets.
   
Jolly Green.. where are you?
   
Grant...
   
   
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
   wrote:
   
 says 1950 on this ladysize.  i don't think there are any ladysize
  with
   6
 shots

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_36


 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

  Back in the day.. circa.. 1967.. Vietnam...
 
 
  On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Gary Hurst 
 jabbahur...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   by back in the day, you are talking about 18 hundred and
 what?
  
   the gun wilton describes having been issued should have had 5
bullets.
  
   when do you fancy the lady sized was first made?
  
  
   On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  
Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time
 flys]
  G
   I
  issue
was 6 round, 4 inch barrel.
The 5 shot ladies size revolvers had not been produced ..
 yet..
   
Now.. with the new military rules of engagement.. I suppose
 the
Nuke
Command officers are sent out with a fresh tube of lipstick
 and
   one
 of
   butt
lube.. in case they are captured.. wrapped in a white flag.
   
Grant..
Late for my Kum byyy Yaaah drum cricle.. gotta run...
   
   
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gary Hurst 
   jabbahur...@gmail.com
   wrote:
   
 the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots


 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com
wrote:

  Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to
  weigh
in
 on
this
  discussion.
 
  To wit:  More than once, within the past decade, the US

Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

Thanks, Grant.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-271423.html

K frame.. 4 inch barrel... early issue aluminum cylinders were drawn back
due to issues..
6 round cylinders... very little firepower when you are hanging from 
shroud

lines after punching out from a SAM damaged F4 and your LZ is populated
with black pajamas and AK's and SKS's with bayonets.

Jolly Green.. where are you?

Grant...

On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

says 1950 on this ladysize.  i don't think there are any ladysize with 6
shots

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_36

On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

 Back in the day.. circa.. 1967.. Vietnam...

 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
wrote:

  by back in the day, you are talking about 18 hundred and what?

  the gun wilton describes having been issued should have had 5 
  bullets.

  when do you fancy the lady sized was first made?

  On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

   Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time flys] G I
 issue
   was 6 round, 4 inch barrel.
   The 5 shot ladies size revolvers had not been produced .. yet..

   Now.. with the new military rules of engagement.. I suppose the 
   Nuke

   Command officers are sent out with a fresh tube of lipstick and one
of
  butt
   lube.. in case they are captured.. wrapped in a white flag.

   Grant..
   Late for my Kum byyy Yaaah drum cricle.. gotta run...

   On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
  wrote:

the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots

On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

 Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to weigh 
 in

on
   this
 discussion.

 To wit:  More than once, within the past decade, the US Supreme
 Court
   has
 ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to protect
 citizens.
   The
 only duty a policeman has is to protect himself.  As stunning 
 as

 this
   may
 be... it is the foundational basis for police to be armed.. to
  protect
 themselves, ONLY.

 We, the citizen, are on our own.  [Sorry Andrew, bad news, I
know].
 Police
 do not stop crime. They report crime. Then consume great
 amounts
  of
 time and money chasing those who do crime... sort of.. to 
 gather

   evidence
 which may or may not meet the burden of proof at trial to prove 
 a

  crime
was
 committed.

 If we indeed had a war on crime as we are told we do.. the 
 body

  count
 would be much higher... and police officers would be much 
 better

at
weapons
 handling.  Some are.. many are not, as stated here.

 Grant...
 Who was always amazed at the military who gave command pilots
nukes
   then
 armed them with 6 shot, short barrel .38 revolvers for personal
protection
 when they ejected over hostile country...
 and always believed the crash axe was a better choice...

 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Scott Ritchey 
 ritche...@nc.rr.com
 wrote:

  All of this serves to highlight the wide-spread
misunderstanding
 of
   the
  real
  nature of most police work, a misunderstanding largely 
  fostered

 by
   the
  entertainment media.  There are some well-trained and highly
   competent
  tactical police units but most police work is administrative
information
  processing and a systematic showing of the flag.  Not a
  criticism,
 that's
  just how it works.

  One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says it's
  dangerous
for
  well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed
police
  are
 safe.

  -Original Message-
  From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On
Behalf
 Of
clay
  Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 3:49 AM
  To: Mercedes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

  Local cop is in trouble because the hooker he was chasing 
  after

  would
not
  stop.  She spun around, he could not tell what was going on, 
  so

 he
   drew
 his
  service weapon.  While it exited his holster, it went off and
 shot
   her
in
  the leg.

  He needs some gun control

  clay

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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

I don't remember the details of the .38 we B-52 crewmen were issued; I'm no 
firearms expert and I never fondled the gun/weapon to study it in detail. 
It stayed it the holster ALL of the time, 'cept when clearing it upon 
receipt and return.  I knew how to use it if necessary and, obviously, for 
qualification.  It was a .38 S  W with a short barrel - how short, I don't 
remember.  I think it had 6 shots.  I didn't care about the details of it 30 
to 50 years ago, and I still don't.


I knew all of the intimate details of the nuclear weapons and/or 
conventional weapons (as appropriate) in our huge bomb bay and how to use 
them, but I had very little interest in the details of .38 cal S  W.  Also 
had 3 crash axes in the cabin and a .22 cal (long rifle shells) fold-up 
survival rife in every seat pack survival kit on the airplane.  'Don't 
remember a lot of the details of those, either, but I knew how to use 'em.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling



that is a different gun than wilton describes he was issued.  are you
saying he is confused or are you discussing a completely different subject
than i am?  or am i confused at to wilton's claims?


On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:13 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:


http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-271423.html

K frame.. 4 inch barrel... early issue aluminum cylinders were drawn back
due to issues..
6 round cylinders... very little firepower when you are hanging from 
shroud

lines after punching out from a SAM damaged F4 and your LZ is populated
with black pajamas and AK's and SKS's with bayonets.

Jolly Green.. where are you?

Grant...


On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 says 1950 on this ladysize.  i don't think there are any ladysize with 
 6

 shots

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_36


 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

  Back in the day.. circa.. 1967.. Vietnam...
 
 
  On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   by back in the day, you are talking about 18 hundred and what?
  
   the gun wilton describes having been issued should have had 5
bullets.
  
   when do you fancy the lady sized was first made?
  
  
   On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
  
Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time flys] G 
I

  issue
was 6 round, 4 inch barrel.
The 5 shot ladies size revolvers had not been produced .. yet..
   
Now.. with the new military rules of engagement.. I suppose the
Nuke
Command officers are sent out with a fresh tube of lipstick and 
one

 of
   butt
lube.. in case they are captured.. wrapped in a white flag.
   
Grant..
Late for my Kum byyy Yaaah drum cricle.. gotta run...
   
   
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gary Hurst 
jabbahur...@gmail.com

   wrote:
   
 the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots


 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com
wrote:

  Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to weigh
in
 on
this
  discussion.
 
  To wit:  More than once, within the past decade, the US 
  Supreme

  Court
has
  ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to protect
  citizens.
The
  only duty a policeman has is to protect himself.  As stunning
as
  this
may
  be... it is the foundational basis for police to be armed.. 
  to

   protect
  themselves, ONLY.
 
  We, the citizen, are on our own.  [Sorry Andrew, bad news, I
 know].
  Police
  do not stop crime. They report crime. Then consume great
  amounts
   of
  time and money chasing those who do crime... sort of.. to
gather
evidence
  which may or may not meet the burden of proof at trial to
prove a
   crime
 was
  committed.
 
  If we indeed had a war on crime as we are told we do.. the
body
   count
  would be much higher... and police officers would be much
better
 at
 weapons
  handling.  Some are.. many are not, as stated here.
 
  Grant...
  Who was always amazed at the military who gave command pilots
 nukes
then
  armed them with 6 shot, short barrel .38 revolvers for 
  personal

 protection
  when they ejected over hostile country...
  and always believed the crash axe was a better choice...
 
 
  On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Scott Ritchey 
  ritche...@nc.rr.com
  wrote:
 
  
   All of this serves to highlight the wide-spread
 misunderstanding
  of
the
   real
   nature of most police work, a misunderstanding largely
fostered
  by
the
   entertainment media.  There are some well-trained and 
   highly

Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

Bet you could have one heck of a weekend in Vegas with those survival kits!

Dan Call me Buck

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On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:30 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 I don't remember the details of the .38 we B-52 crewmen were issued; I'm no 
 firearms expert and I never fondled the gun/weapon to study it in detail. It 
 stayed it the holster ALL of the time, 'cept when clearing it upon receipt 
 and return.  I knew how to use it if necessary and, obviously, for 
 qualification.  It was a .38 S  W with a short barrel - how short, I don't 
 remember.  I think it had 6 shots.  I didn't care about the details of it 30 
 to 50 years ago, and I still don't.
 
 I knew all of the intimate details of the nuclear weapons and/or conventional 
 weapons (as appropriate) in our huge bomb bay and how to use them, but I had 
 very little interest in the details of .38 cal S  W.  Also had 3 crash axes 
 in the cabin and a .22 cal (long rifle shells) fold-up survival rife in every 
 seat pack survival kit on the airplane.  'Don't remember a lot of the details 
 of those, either, but I knew how to use 'em.
 
 Wilton
 
 - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 10:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling
 
 
 that is a different gun than wilton describes he was issued.  are you
 saying he is confused or are you discussing a completely different subject
 than i am?  or am i confused at to wilton's claims?
 
 
 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:13 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-271423.html
 
 K frame.. 4 inch barrel... early issue aluminum cylinders were drawn back
 due to issues..
 6 round cylinders... very little firepower when you are hanging from shroud
 lines after punching out from a SAM damaged F4 and your LZ is populated
 with black pajamas and AK's and SKS's with bayonets.
 
 Jolly Green.. where are you?
 
 Grant...
 
 
 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  says 1950 on this ladysize.  i don't think there are any ladysize with  6
  shots
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_36
 
 
  On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Back in the day.. circa.. 1967.. Vietnam...
  
  
   On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  
by back in the day, you are talking about 18 hundred and what?
   
the gun wilton describes having been issued should have had 5
 bullets.
   
when do you fancy the lady sized was first made?
   
   
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
   
 Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time flys] G  
I
   issue
 was 6 round, 4 inch barrel.
 The 5 shot ladies size revolvers had not been produced .. yet..

 Now.. with the new military rules of engagement.. I suppose the
 Nuke
 Command officers are sent out with a fresh tube of lipstick and   
   one
  of
butt
 lube.. in case they are captured.. wrapped in a white flag.

 Grant..
 Late for my Kum byyy Yaaah drum cricle.. gotta run...


 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gary Hurst 
 jabbahur...@gmail.com
wrote:

  the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots
 
 
  On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to weigh
 in
  on
 this
   discussion.
  
   To wit:  More than once, within the past decade, the US 
 Supreme
   Court
 has
   ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to protect
   citizens.
 The
   only duty a policeman has is to protect himself.  As stunning
 as
   this
 may
   be... it is the foundational basis for police to be armed..   
   to
protect
   themselves, ONLY.
  
   We, the citizen, are on our own.  [Sorry Andrew, bad news, I
  know].
   Police
   do not stop crime. They report crime. Then consume great
   amounts
of
   time and money chasing those who do crime... sort of.. to
 gather
 evidence
   which may or may not meet the burden of proof at trial to
 prove a
crime
  was
   committed.
  
   If we indeed had a war on crime as we are told we do.. the
 body
count
   would be much higher... and police officers would be much
 better
  at
  weapons
   handling.  Some are.. many are not, as stated here.
  
   Grant...
   Who was always amazed at the military who gave command pilots
  nukes
 then
   armed them with 6 shot, short barrel .38 revolvers for 
 personal
  protection
   when they ejected over hostile country...
   and always believed the crash axe was a better choice...
  
  
   On Sat, Sep

Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

Yep, many different types of things in the kits, including some items that 
most people would not imagine the need for in a survival situation.  I'm 
sure some of my cohorts could put 'em to good use in Vegas, or their 
braggadocio afterward would try to make you think they did, anyway.;)


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling


Bet you could have one heck of a weekend in Vegas with those survival 
kits!


Dan Call me Buck

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On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:30 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

I don't remember the details of the .38 we B-52 crewmen were issued; I'm 
no firearms expert and I never fondled the gun/weapon to study it in 
detail. It stayed it the holster ALL of the time, 'cept when clearing 
it upon receipt and return.  I knew how to use it if necessary and, 
obviously, for qualification.  It was a .38 S  W with a short barrel - 
how short, I don't remember.  I think it had 6 shots.  I didn't care 
about the details of it 30 to 50 years ago, and I still don't.


I knew all of the intimate details of the nuclear weapons and/or 
conventional weapons (as appropriate) in our huge bomb bay and how to use 
them, but I had very little interest in the details of .38 cal S  W. 
Also had 3 crash axes in the cabin and a .22 cal (long rifle shells) 
fold-up survival rife in every seat pack survival kit on the airplane. 
'Don't remember a lot of the details of those, either, but I knew how to 
use 'em.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling



that is a different gun than wilton describes he was issued.  are you
saying he is confused or are you discussing a completely different 
subject

than i am?  or am i confused at to wilton's claims?


On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:13 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:


http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-271423.html

K frame.. 4 inch barrel... early issue aluminum cylinders were drawn 
back

due to issues..
6 round cylinders... very little firepower when you are hanging from 
shroud

lines after punching out from a SAM damaged F4 and your LZ is populated
with black pajamas and AK's and SKS's with bayonets.

Jolly Green.. where are you?

Grant...


On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com 
wrote:


 says 1950 on this ladysize.  i don't think there are any ladysize 
 with  6

 shots

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_36


 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

  Back in the day.. circa.. 1967.. Vietnam...
 
 
  On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   by back in the day, you are talking about 18 hundred and what?
  
   the gun wilton describes having been issued should have had 5
bullets.
  
   when do you fancy the lady sized was first made?
  
  
   On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
  
Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time flys] 
G I

  issue
was 6 round, 4 inch barrel.
The 5 shot ladies size revolvers had not been produced .. yet..
   
Now.. with the new military rules of engagement.. I suppose the
Nuke
Command officers are sent out with a fresh tube of lipstick and 
 one

 of
   butt
lube.. in case they are captured.. wrapped in a white flag.
   
Grant..
Late for my Kum byyy Yaaah drum cricle.. gotta run...
   
   
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gary Hurst 
jabbahur...@gmail.com

   wrote:
   
 the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots


 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com
wrote:

  Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to 
  weigh

in
 on
this
  discussion.
 
  To wit:  More than once, within the past decade, the US   
   Supreme

  Court
has
  ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to protect
  citizens.
The
  only duty a policeman has is to protect himself.  As 
  stunning

as
  this
may
  be... it is the foundational basis for police to be armed.. 
 to

   protect
  themselves, ONLY.
 
  We, the citizen, are on our own.  [Sorry Andrew, bad news, 
  I

 know].
  Police
  do not stop crime. They report crime. Then consume 
  great

  amounts
   of
  time and money chasing those who do crime... sort of.. to
gather
evidence
  which may or may not meet the burden of proof at trial to
prove a
   crime
 was
  committed.
 
  If we indeed had a war on crime as we are told we do.. 
  the

body
   count
  would be much higher... and police officers would be much

Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rotting etc but OIL needs to be discussed

2013-09-08 Thread Brian Toscano

It's hard to go wrong with Delo 15w-40 although I like 5w-40 for winter.
 Made the block heater on my B-series not at all necessary.


On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 11:10 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 The winter duty involves finding that one dry week and bundling up well so
 I can do a top down, cobweb cleaner ride to move fuel through things, make
 sure nothing has taken root inside and I can put fresh gas in the tank

 clay

 On Sep 5, 2013, at 7:13 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

  I use Delo 15W-40 in everything.  SL's, dodge, lawn mower, etc.
  Doubt your SL needs lighter oil for winter duty.
 
  -- Jim
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-08 Thread Mitch Haley


WILTON wrote:
Also had 3 crash axes in the cabin and a .22 cal (long rifle shells) 
fold-up survival rife in every seat pack survival kit on the airplane.  
'Don't remember a lot of the details of those, either, but I knew how to 
use 'em.


Was the .22 an AR-7?

http://10mmman.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/ar7.jpg

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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

'Don't thinks so; don't remember a stock like that; it was some sort of an 
open steel or aluminum rod stock that could slide and/or clip into place.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

WILTON wrote:
Also had 3 crash axes in the cabin and a .22 cal (long rifle shells) 
fold-up survival rife in every seat pack survival kit on the airplane. 
'Don't remember a lot of the details of those, either, but I knew how to 
use 'em.

Was the .22 an AR-7?

http://10mmman.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/ar7.jpg

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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-08 Thread Mitch Haley


WILTON wrote:
'Don't thinks so; don't remember a stock like that; it was some sort of 
an open steel or aluminum rod stock that could slide and/or clip into 
place.


Doesn't sound like an M6 (.22/.410) either, then.
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6f=2t=376014

How about the M4 in .22 Hornet?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_Survival_Rifle

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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

M4, maybe.  'Had to be short enough to fit into seat pack, between my butt 
and the bottom of the ejection seat.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

WILTON wrote:
'Don't thinks so; don't remember a stock like that; it was some sort of 
an open steel or aluminum rod stock that could slide and/or clip into 
place.

Doesn't sound like an M6 (.22/.410) either, then.
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6f=2t=376014

How about the M4 in .22 Hornet?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_Survival_Rifle

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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-08 Thread G Mann

Vegas survival kit'

Big bag full of cash... spare keys to your nice car, credit cards.
Little bag with a change of socks and underwear and a bus ticket home...
and a snickers bar.

When the big bag is empty and at the pawn shop.. pick up little bag and
come home... if you didn't hock it also..

What you bring to Vegas... stays in Vegas...

It is written...

Grant...


On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 Bet you could have one heck of a weekend in Vegas with those survival kits!

 Dan Call me Buck

 Sent from my iPad

 On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:30 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

  I don't remember the details of the .38 we B-52 crewmen were issued; I'm
 no firearms expert and I never fondled the gun/weapon to study it in
 detail. It stayed it the holster ALL of the time, 'cept when clearing it
 upon receipt and return.  I knew how to use it if necessary and, obviously,
 for qualification.  It was a .38 S  W with a short barrel - how short, I
 don't remember.  I think it had 6 shots.  I didn't care about the details
 of it 30 to 50 years ago, and I still don't.
 
  I knew all of the intimate details of the nuclear weapons and/or
 conventional weapons (as appropriate) in our huge bomb bay and how to use
 them, but I had very little interest in the details of .38 cal S  W.  Also
 had 3 crash axes in the cabin and a .22 cal (long rifle shells) fold-up
 survival rife in every seat pack survival kit on the airplane.  'Don't
 remember a lot of the details of those, either, but I knew how to use 'em.
 
  Wilton
 
  - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 10:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling
 
 
  that is a different gun than wilton describes he was issued.  are you
  saying he is confused or are you discussing a completely different
 subject
  than i am?  or am i confused at to wilton's claims?
 
 
  On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:13 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-271423.html
 
  K frame.. 4 inch barrel... early issue aluminum cylinders were drawn
 back
  due to issues..
  6 round cylinders... very little firepower when you are hanging from
 shroud
  lines after punching out from a SAM damaged F4 and your LZ is populated
  with black pajamas and AK's and SKS's with bayonets.
 
  Jolly Green.. where are you?
 
  Grant...
 
 
  On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   says 1950 on this ladysize.  i don't think there are any ladysize
 with  6
   shots
  
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_36
  
  
   On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
  
Back in the day.. circa.. 1967.. Vietnam...
   
   
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
   wrote:
   
 by back in the day, you are talking about 18 hundred and what?

 the gun wilton describes having been issued should have had 5
  bullets.

 when do you fancy the lady sized was first made?


 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time flys]
 G I
issue
  was 6 round, 4 inch barrel.
  The 5 shot ladies size revolvers had not been produced .. yet..
 
  Now.. with the new military rules of engagement.. I suppose the
  Nuke
  Command officers are sent out with a fresh tube of lipstick
 and one
   of
 butt
  lube.. in case they are captured.. wrapped in a white flag.
 
  Grant..
  Late for my Kum byyy Yaaah drum cricle.. gotta run...
 
 
  On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gary Hurst 
 jabbahur...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots
  
  
   On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  
Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to
 weigh
  in
   on
  this
discussion.
   
To wit:  More than once, within the past decade, the US 
  Supreme
Court
  has
ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to protect
citizens.
  The
only duty a policeman has is to protect himself.  As
 stunning
  as
this
  may
be... it is the foundational basis for police to be
 armed..   to
 protect
themselves, ONLY.
   
We, the citizen, are on our own.  [Sorry Andrew, bad news,
 I
   know].
Police
do not stop crime. They report crime. Then consume
 great
amounts
 of
time and money chasing those who do crime... sort of.. to
  gather
  evidence
which may or may not meet the burden of proof at trial to
  prove a
 crime
   was
committed.
   
If we indeed had a war on crime as we are told we do

Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

I was paraphrasing from a quote in Dr. Strangelove that Slim Pickens (as Major 
T.J. Kong, pilot of the B-52) makes as they are beginning their bomb run and 
inventorying their survival kits.

The original line referenced Dallas, TX, but since the movie was released 
shortly after President Kennedy was assassinated they changed it to Las Vegas.


Dan


On Sep 8, 2013, at 5:23 PM, G Mann wrote:

 Vegas survival kit'
 
 Big bag full of cash... spare keys to your nice car, credit cards.
 Little bag with a change of socks and underwear and a bus ticket home...
 and a snickers bar.
 
 When the big bag is empty and at the pawn shop.. pick up little bag and
 come home... if you didn't hock it also..
 
 What you bring to Vegas... stays in Vegas...
 
 It is written...
 
 Grant...
 
 
 On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
 
 Bet you could have one heck of a weekend in Vegas with those survival kits!
 
 Dan Call me Buck
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:30 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 
 I don't remember the details of the .38 we B-52 crewmen were issued; I'm
 no firearms expert and I never fondled the gun/weapon to study it in
 detail. It stayed it the holster ALL of the time, 'cept when clearing it
 upon receipt and return.  I knew how to use it if necessary and, obviously,
 for qualification.  It was a .38 S  W with a short barrel - how short, I
 don't remember.  I think it had 6 shots.  I didn't care about the details
 of it 30 to 50 years ago, and I still don't.
 
 I knew all of the intimate details of the nuclear weapons and/or
 conventional weapons (as appropriate) in our huge bomb bay and how to use
 them, but I had very little interest in the details of .38 cal S  W.  Also
 had 3 crash axes in the cabin and a .22 cal (long rifle shells) fold-up
 survival rife in every seat pack survival kit on the airplane.  'Don't
 remember a lot of the details of those, either, but I knew how to use 'em.
 
 Wilton
 
 - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 10:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling
 
 
 that is a different gun than wilton describes he was issued.  are you
 saying he is confused or are you discussing a completely different
 subject
 than i am?  or am i confused at to wilton's claims?
 
 
 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:13 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-271423.html
 
 K frame.. 4 inch barrel... early issue aluminum cylinders were drawn
 back
 due to issues..
 6 round cylinders... very little firepower when you are hanging from
 shroud
 lines after punching out from a SAM damaged F4 and your LZ is populated
 with black pajamas and AK's and SKS's with bayonets.
 
 Jolly Green.. where are you?
 
 Grant...
 
 
 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 says 1950 on this ladysize.  i don't think there are any ladysize
 with  6
 shots
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_36
 
 
 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Back in the day.. circa.. 1967.. Vietnam...
 
 
 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 by back in the day, you are talking about 18 hundred and what?
 
 the gun wilton describes having been issued should have had 5
 bullets.
 
 when do you fancy the lady sized was first made?
 
 
 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time flys]
 G I
 issue
 was 6 round, 4 inch barrel.
 The 5 shot ladies size revolvers had not been produced .. yet..
 
 Now.. with the new military rules of engagement.. I suppose the
 Nuke
 Command officers are sent out with a fresh tube of lipstick
 and one
 of
 butt
 lube.. in case they are captured.. wrapped in a white flag.
 
 Grant..
 Late for my Kum byyy Yaaah drum cricle.. gotta run...
 
 
 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gary Hurst 
 jabbahur...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots
 
 
 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to
 weigh
 in
 on
 this
 discussion.
 
 To wit:  More than once, within the past decade, the US 
 Supreme
 Court
 has
 ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to protect
 citizens.
 The
 only duty a policeman has is to protect himself.  As
 stunning
 as
 this
 may
 be... it is the foundational basis for police to be
 armed..   to
 protect
 themselves, ONLY.
 
 We, the citizen, are on our own.  [Sorry Andrew, bad news,
 I
 know].
 Police
 do not stop crime. They report crime. Then consume
 great
 amounts
 of
 time and money chasing those who do crime... sort of.. to
 gather
 evidence
 which may or may not meet the burden of proof at trial to
 prove a
 crime
 was
 committed.
 
 If we indeed

Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

Vegas never had me, but they really lost me for good when the hotel a few 
years ago when I was there for a military reunion made me hobble painfully 
and precariously, picking my way through, amongst and though many slot 
machines and card games across a HUGE room to get to the check-in desk on 
the far, back side of the room from the entry.  'Made us wait another 3 
hours or so 'til 3 PM before we could go to our room.  Then, guys at the 
service desk told SWMBO for 2 days that they didn't have wheelchairs for 
guests, though we saw several with hotel logo/name on 'em.  When SWMBO asked 
again en route to breakfast on third day, service guy told her to ask at the 
security desk by the restaurant.  When SWMBO asked at security desk, 
security guy was incredulous, He told you WHAT!?  You stop by here after 
breakfast; I'll get you a wheelchair.  We did, and he did.  'Used it for 
next coupla days; 'never registered to pay the supposed required rent on it 
and left it outside front door when we left by taxi at 4 or 5 AM.


I made damned sure I didn't drop a coin or bill of any sort in a slot 
machine or card game.  I won't be back.  BTW, I'd been to Vegas several 
times before, so I was not some naive, country hick shocked by it all.

They can go to etc.

BTW, in 1961/62, we lived in Rancho Cordova, CA, near Hwy 50 between 
Sacramento and Tahoe/State Line.  Local saying was, Lotsa people headed up 
the mountain on Friday afternoon on $4000 Cadillacs returned Sunday evening 
on $4 buses.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling



Vegas survival kit'

Big bag full of cash... spare keys to your nice car, credit cards.
Little bag with a change of socks and underwear and a bus ticket home...
and a snickers bar.

When the big bag is empty and at the pawn shop.. pick up little bag and
come home... if you didn't hock it also..

What you bring to Vegas... stays in Vegas...

It is written...

Grant...


On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

Bet you could have one heck of a weekend in Vegas with those survival 
kits!


Dan Call me Buck

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:30 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 I don't remember the details of the .38 we B-52 crewmen were issued; 
 I'm

no firearms expert and I never fondled the gun/weapon to study it in
detail. It stayed it the holster ALL of the time, 'cept when clearing 
it
upon receipt and return.  I knew how to use it if necessary and, 
obviously,

for qualification.  It was a .38 S  W with a short barrel - how short, I
don't remember.  I think it had 6 shots.  I didn't care about the details
of it 30 to 50 years ago, and I still don't.

 I knew all of the intimate details of the nuclear weapons and/or
conventional weapons (as appropriate) in our huge bomb bay and how to use
them, but I had very little interest in the details of .38 cal S  W. 
Also

had 3 crash axes in the cabin and a .22 cal (long rifle shells) fold-up
survival rife in every seat pack survival kit on the airplane.  'Don't
remember a lot of the details of those, either, but I knew how to use 
'em.


 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 10:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling


 that is a different gun than wilton describes he was issued.  are you
 saying he is confused or are you discussing a completely different
subject
 than i am?  or am i confused at to wilton's claims?


 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:13 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-271423.html

 K frame.. 4 inch barrel... early issue aluminum cylinders were drawn
back
 due to issues..
 6 round cylinders... very little firepower when you are hanging from
shroud
 lines after punching out from a SAM damaged F4 and your LZ is 
 populated

 with black pajamas and AK's and SKS's with bayonets.

 Jolly Green.. where are you?

 Grant...


 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
wrote:

  says 1950 on this ladysize.  i don't think there are any ladysize
with  6
  shots
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_36
 
 
  On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Back in the day.. circa.. 1967.. Vietnam...
  
  
   On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Gary Hurst 
   jabbahur...@gmail.com

  wrote:
  
by back in the day, you are talking about 18 hundred and 
what?

   
the gun wilton describes having been issued should have had 5
 bullets.
   
when do you fancy the lady sized was first made?
   
   
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com
wrote:
   
 Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time 
 flys]

G I

Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling


Yep, Slim (T. J.) did mention the special items, didn't he?

No such inventory would ever have occurred in flight on a real such mission. 
Example of writer trying to insert another joke.


BTW, y'all do realize, don't you that most (almost ALL) of the stuff in that 
movie was BS from somebody's imagination.  For example, pilot never read any 
checklist for bombing or its prep and sure as Hell wouldn't have gone into 
the bomb bay for ANYTHING - if anybody did, it would have been the navigator 
or radar-navigator/bombardier.  All of  the in flight dialog was very 
stilted, imaginary BS - not like the real world at all.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling


I was paraphrasing from a quote in Dr. Strangelove that Slim Pickens (as 
Major T.J. Kong, pilot of the B-52) makes as they are beginning their bomb 
run and inventorying their survival kits.


The original line referenced Dallas, TX, but since the movie was released 
shortly after President Kennedy was assassinated they changed it to Las 
Vegas.



Dan


On Sep 8, 2013, at 5:23 PM, G Mann wrote:


Vegas survival kit'

Big bag full of cash... spare keys to your nice car, credit cards.
Little bag with a change of socks and underwear and a bus ticket home...
and a snickers bar.

When the big bag is empty and at the pawn shop.. pick up little bag and
come home... if you didn't hock it also..

What you bring to Vegas... stays in Vegas...

It is written...

Grant...


On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

Bet you could have one heck of a weekend in Vegas with those survival 
kits!


Dan Call me Buck

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:30 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

I don't remember the details of the .38 we B-52 crewmen were issued; 
I'm

no firearms expert and I never fondled the gun/weapon to study it in
detail. It stayed it the holster ALL of the time, 'cept when clearing 
it
upon receipt and return.  I knew how to use it if necessary and, 
obviously,
for qualification.  It was a .38 S  W with a short barrel - how short, 
I
don't remember.  I think it had 6 shots.  I didn't care about the 
details

of it 30 to 50 years ago, and I still don't.


I knew all of the intimate details of the nuclear weapons and/or
conventional weapons (as appropriate) in our huge bomb bay and how to 
use
them, but I had very little interest in the details of .38 cal S  W. 
Also

had 3 crash axes in the cabin and a .22 cal (long rifle shells) fold-up
survival rife in every seat pack survival kit on the airplane.  'Don't
remember a lot of the details of those, either, but I knew how to use 
'em.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling



that is a different gun than wilton describes he was issued.  are you
saying he is confused or are you discussing a completely different

subject

than i am?  or am i confused at to wilton's claims?


On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:13 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:


http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-271423.html

K frame.. 4 inch barrel... early issue aluminum cylinders were drawn

back

due to issues..
6 round cylinders... very little firepower when you are hanging from

shroud
lines after punching out from a SAM damaged F4 and your LZ is 
populated

with black pajamas and AK's and SKS's with bayonets.

Jolly Green.. where are you?

Grant...


On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com

wrote:



says 1950 on this ladysize.  i don't think there are any ladysize

with  6

shots

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_36


On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:


Back in the day.. circa.. 1967.. Vietnam...


On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com

wrote:



by back in the day, you are talking about 18 hundred and what?

the gun wilton describes having been issued should have had 5

bullets.


when do you fancy the lady sized was first made?


On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com

wrote:



Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time flys]

G I

issue

was 6 round, 4 inch barrel.
The 5 shot ladies size revolvers had not been produced .. yet..

Now.. with the new military rules of engagement.. I suppose the

Nuke

Command officers are sent out with a fresh tube of lipstick

and one

of

butt

lube.. in case they are captured.. wrapped in a white flag.

Grant..
Late for my Kum byyy Yaaah drum cricle.. gotta run...


On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gary Hurst 

jabbahur...@gmail.com

wrote:



the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots


On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann g2ma

Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

Yes, but were you aware that their depiction of the cockpit and equipment was 
so spot-on that the USAF was convinced someone had leaked TS material to them?

In the early 60s, the B-52 was cutting-edge technology. Access to it was a 
matter of national security. The Pentagon refused to lend any support to the 
film after they read the script. Set designers reconstructed the B-52 bomber's 
cockpit from a single photograph that appeared in a British flying magazine. 
When some American Air Force personnel were invited to view the movie's B52 
cockpit, they said it was a perfect copy.Stanley Kubrick feared that Ken Adam's 
production design team had used illegal methods and could be investigated by 
the FBI.

Dan


On Sep 8, 2013, at 6:49 PM, WILTON wrote:

 Yep, Slim (T. J.) did mention the special items, didn't he?
 
 No such inventory would ever have occurred in flight on a real such mission. 
 Example of writer trying to insert another joke.
 
 BTW, y'all do realize, don't you that most (almost ALL) of the stuff in that 
 movie was BS from somebody's imagination.  For example, pilot never read any 
 checklist for bombing or its prep and sure as Hell wouldn't have gone into 
 the bomb bay for ANYTHING - if anybody did, it would have been the navigator 
 or radar-navigator/bombardier.  All of  the in flight dialog was very 
 stilted, imaginary BS - not like the real world at all.
 
 Wilton
 

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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

Most of the cockpit photos were spot on, except one really big item - there 
was no box displaying receipt of messages, go codes, etc.  At that time, 
such was still in somebody's imagination.  We received all such messages via 
voice and copied 'em onto a plastic-covered form with grease pencil.  Such 
electronic box was just getting into the fleet when I retired in late '81. 
I never used it.


Wilt

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From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling


Yes, but were you aware that their depiction of the cockpit and equipment 
was so spot-on that the USAF was convinced someone had leaked TS material 
to them?


In the early 60s, the B-52 was cutting-edge technology. Access to it was 
a matter of national security. The Pentagon refused to lend any support to 
the film after they read the script. Set designers reconstructed the B-52 
bomber's cockpit from a single photograph that appeared in a British 
flying magazine. When some American Air Force personnel were invited to 
view the movie's B52 cockpit, they said it was a perfect copy.Stanley 
Kubrick feared that Ken Adam's production design team had used illegal 
methods and could be investigated by the FBI.


Dan


On Sep 8, 2013, at 6:49 PM, WILTON wrote:


Yep, Slim (T. J.) did mention the special items, didn't he?

No such inventory would ever have occurred in flight on a real such 
mission. Example of writer trying to insert another joke.


BTW, y'all do realize, don't you that most (almost ALL) of the stuff in 
that movie was BS from somebody's imagination.  For example, pilot never 
read any checklist for bombing or its prep and sure as Hell wouldn't have 
gone into the bomb bay for ANYTHING - if anybody did, it would have been 
the navigator or radar-navigator/bombardier.  All of  the in flight 
dialog was very stilted, imaginary BS - not like the real world at all.


Wilton



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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-08 Thread Rich Thomas

I was on a Looking Glass aircraft once and got a tour of the SAC underground 
command center.  They ran through simulations on both.  Exciting.  Then I got 
to crawl around a NEACP 747.  That was very cool.  Next day we crawled around 
the VLF transmitter out in the middle of BF, NB.

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Sep 8, 2013, at 7:16 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

Most of the cockpit photos were spot on, except one really big item - there was 
no box displaying receipt of messages, go codes, etc.  At that time, such was 
still in somebody's imagination.  We received all such messages via voice and 
copied 'em onto a plastic-covered form with grease pencil.  Such electronic box 
was just getting into the fleet when I retired in late '81. I never used it.

Wilt

- Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling


 Yes, but were you aware that their depiction of the cockpit and equipment was 
 so spot-on that the USAF was convinced someone had leaked TS material to them?
 
 In the early 60s, the B-52 was cutting-edge technology. Access to it was a 
 matter of national security. The Pentagon refused to lend any support to the 
 film after they read the script. Set designers reconstructed the B-52 
 bomber's cockpit from a single photograph that appeared in a British flying 
 magazine. When some American Air Force personnel were invited to view the 
 movie's B52 cockpit, they said it was a perfect copy.Stanley Kubrick feared 
 that Ken Adam's production design team had used illegal methods and could be 
 investigated by the FBI.
 
 Dan
 
 
 On Sep 8, 2013, at 6:49 PM, WILTON wrote:
 
 Yep, Slim (T. J.) did mention the special items, didn't he?
 
 No such inventory would ever have occurred in flight on a real such mission. 
 Example of writer trying to insert another joke.
 
 BTW, y'all do realize, don't you that most (almost ALL) of the stuff in that 
 movie was BS from somebody's imagination.  For example, pilot never read any 
 checklist for bombing or its prep and sure as Hell wouldn't have gone into 
 the bomb bay for ANYTHING - if anybody did, it would have been the navigator 
 or radar-navigator/bombardier.  All of  the in flight dialog was very 
 stilted, imaginary BS - not like the real world at all.
 
 Wilton
 
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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-08 Thread Jim Cathey

BTW, y'all do realize, don't you that most (almost ALL) of the stuff 
in that movie was BS from somebody's imagination.


But fun, very fun.  One of my favorite movies.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-08 Thread Mountain Man

Wilton wrote:
 I knew all of the intimate details of the nuclear weapons and/or
 conventional weapons (as appropriate) in our huge bomb bay and how to use
 them...

25 years ago I remember taking the kids to Peterson AFB in Colorado
Springs at one of their open house days.  We were allowed to walk
right up under a B-52, if I recall correctly.  I recall being amazed
at how small the bomb carrying compartment in the middle of the
airplane seemed.  I had in mind seeing war footage that showed bombs
dropping from B-52 and that compartment did not seem capable of
carrying that many bombs.  I guess you also carried bombs under the
wings?  I just recall being amazed that we would fly that huge
airplane for hours, refuel, spend a few minutes dropping bombs at Nam,
and then fly hours back to be re-armed.  I was no peacenik, but... it
seemed like a lot of effort to spend hours traveling to spend minutes
dropping bombs.  That was my impression.  These days? - I tire of war
efforts, again, not being much a peacenik, just tired of the seeming
futility of the jazz that goes in to seeming peace keeping efforts.
So... call me peacenik... whatever.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

Interior bomb bay of D model B-52 carried 84 five hundred pound conventional 
(iron) bombs (sometimes a mix of 500 and 750 pounders); pylon on each wing 
carried 12; total 108.


H models still in service have same bomb bay but may not be using the 
concentrated clips/racks (so-called Big Belly mod.) used on the D models 
in Vietnam.


Wilton

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Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 8:50 PM
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Wilton wrote:

I knew all of the intimate details of the nuclear weapons and/or
conventional weapons (as appropriate) in our huge bomb bay and how to use
them...


25 years ago I remember taking the kids to Peterson AFB in Colorado
Springs at one of their open house days.  We were allowed to walk
right up under a B-52, if I recall correctly.  I recall being amazed
at how small the bomb carrying compartment in the middle of the
airplane seemed.  I had in mind seeing war footage that showed bombs
dropping from B-52 and that compartment did not seem capable of
carrying that many bombs.  I guess you also carried bombs under the
wings?  I just recall being amazed that we would fly that huge
airplane for hours, refuel, spend a few minutes dropping bombs at Nam,
and then fly hours back to be re-armed.  I was no peacenik, but... it
seemed like a lot of effort to spend hours traveling to spend minutes
dropping bombs.  That was my impression.  These days? - I tire of war
efforts, again, not being much a peacenik, just tired of the seeming
futility of the jazz that goes in to seeming peace keeping efforts.
So... call me peacenik... whatever.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

I'll defer to the list expert, but I suspect what you were seeing was footage 
of smaller bombs being dropped from racks within the bomb bays, not nukes.

Dan who would not care to be intimate with any thermonuclear device


On Sep 8, 2013, at 8:50 PM, Mountain Man wrote:

 Wilton wrote:
 I knew all of the intimate details of the nuclear weapons and/or
 conventional weapons (as appropriate) in our huge bomb bay and how to use
 them...
 
 25 years ago I remember taking the kids to Peterson AFB in Colorado
 Springs at one of their open house days.  We were allowed to walk
 right up under a B-52, if I recall correctly.  I recall being amazed
 at how small the bomb carrying compartment in the middle of the
 airplane seemed.  I had in mind seeing war footage that showed bombs
 dropping from B-52 and that compartment did not seem capable of
 carrying that many bombs.  I guess you also carried bombs under the
 wings?  I just recall being amazed that we would fly that huge
 airplane for hours, refuel, spend a few minutes dropping bombs at Nam,
 and then fly hours back to be re-armed.  I was no peacenik, but... it
 seemed like a lot of effort to spend hours traveling to spend minutes
 dropping bombs.  That was my impression.  These days? - I tire of war
 efforts, again, not being much a peacenik, just tired of the seeming
 futility of the jazz that goes in to seeming peace keeping efforts.
 So... call me peacenik... whatever.
 mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-08 Thread Mountain Man

Dan wrote:
 ...I suspect what you were seeing was footage of smaller bombs being dropped 
 from racks within the bomb bays, not nukes.


Definitely not nukes in my memory.  Footage of Pacific nuke tests -
different animal entirely.
Intimacy with thermonucular is non issue.  Ain't no time to think
twice or run fast enuf.  Ask Hirosima.  Ask Nagasaki.  To think... USA
is abhorred that someone uses chemicals to kill a few citizens today,
but we obliterated two cities, no repurcussions.  Peacenik? - maybe
more than I want to admit in today's environment.  Our system is open
corruption in too many ways to proffer allegiance, I suggest.  That is
the direction I am headed, having seen what little I have seen.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-08 Thread Curt Raymond

Sheesh Wilton now you've done it. I wrote not one, not two but THREE papers on 
that movie in college.

No joke, I went to film school remember. I actually saw the movie in class, I 
can't remember if it was Film History or something else. I did write a paper on 
it for Film History, another was a technical dissection for Lighting, I can't 
remember the third other than I did it, maybe something on the use of black and 
white as an artistic decision...

Anyway don't for one second thing any of the dialog in that movie was written 
by accident. If its stilted its stilted on purpose...

-Curt

Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 18:49:16 -0400
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling
Message-ID: 8F57E18D42004311AD58ADCEDC72B4D8@wiltonPC
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    reply-type=original

Yep, Slim (T. J.) did mention the special items, didn't he?

No such inventory would ever have occurred in flight on a real such mission. 
Example of writer trying to insert another joke.

BTW, y'all do realize, don't you that most (almost ALL) of the stuff in that 
movie was BS from somebody's imagination.  For example, pilot never read any 
checklist for bombing or its prep and sure as Hell wouldn't have gone into 
the bomb bay for ANYTHING - if anybody did, it would have been the navigator 
or radar-navigator/bombardier.  All of  the in flight dialog was very 
stilted, imaginary BS - not like the real world at all.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-08 Thread Scott Ritchey

AR-7 (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-7 ) was used in some survival kits
from that era.  Originally made by Armalite, Henry Repeating Arms still
makes them.

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Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 4:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

WILTON wrote:
 Also had 3 crash axes in the cabin and a .22 cal (long rifle shells) 
 fold-up survival rife in every seat pack survival kit on the airplane.  
 'Don't remember a lot of the details of those, either, but I knew how to 
 use 'em.

Was the .22 an AR-7?

http://10mmman.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/ar7.jpg

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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

Yes, I understand that; I'm afraid, though, that many think/thought that a 
lot of that satire was depicting real life, or maybe, didn't get the 
joke(s).  Because I was living it for real every day (overall for nearly 
fourteen years), it was a bit hard on me to know that some people 
think/thought that was the way it really was.  'Don't mean to imply any 
discredit to the movie - it was/is, after all, a MOVIE - entertainment - not 
a completely accurate representation of the real flight and actions that I 
lived daily.  Isn't that the way of most any movie, play, etc., for one who 
is intimately familiar with the story in real life?


BTW, one of the best scenes for me was when George C. Scott (was it Gen. 
Jack Ripper?) was enthusiastically telling the President how the bomber 
could get right on down REAL LOW, beneath the radar - stuff we practiced 
on every training mission.


I've enjoyed the movie several times, too.  When I get a chance, I'll see it 
again.


Wilton

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Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling


Sheesh Wilton now you've done it. I wrote not one, not two but THREE papers 
on that movie in college.


No joke, I went to film school remember. I actually saw the movie in class, 
I can't remember if it was Film History or something else. I did write a 
paper on it for Film History, another was a technical dissection for 
Lighting, I can't remember the third other than I did it, maybe something on 
the use of black and white as an artistic decision...


Anyway don't for one second thing any of the dialog in that movie was 
written by accident. If its stilted its stilted on purpose...


-Curt

Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 18:49:16 -0400
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling
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Yep, Slim (T. J.) did mention the special items, didn't he?

No such inventory would ever have occurred in flight on a real such mission.
Example of writer trying to insert another joke.

BTW, y'all do realize, don't you that most (almost ALL) of the stuff in that
movie was BS from somebody's imagination. For example, pilot never read any
checklist for bombing or its prep and sure as Hell wouldn't have gone into
the bomb bay for ANYTHING - if anybody did, it would have been the navigator
or radar-navigator/bombardier. All of the in flight dialog was very
stilted, imaginary BS - not like the real world at all.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

Frying chickens in the barnyard!

George C. Scott was General Buck Turgidson.

Dan and sug - be sure to say your prayers.



Sent from my iPad

On Sep 8, 2013, at 10:49 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 Yes, I understand that; I'm afraid, though, that many think/thought that a 
 lot of that satire was depicting real life, or maybe, didn't get the 
 joke(s).  Because I was living it for real every day (overall for nearly 
 fourteen years), it was a bit hard on me to know that some people 
 think/thought that was the way it really was.  'Don't mean to imply any 
 discredit to the movie - it was/is, after all, a MOVIE - entertainment - not 
 a completely accurate representation of the real flight and actions that I 
 lived daily.  Isn't that the way of most any movie, play, etc., for one who 
 is intimately familiar with the story in real life?
 
 BTW, one of the best scenes for me was when George C. Scott (was it Gen. Jack 
 Ripper?) was enthusiastically telling the President how the bomber could get 
 right on down REAL LOW, beneath the radar - stuff we practiced on every 
 training mission.
 
 I've enjoyed the movie several times, too.  When I get a chance, I'll see it 
 again.
 
 Wilton
 
 - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
 To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 9:50 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling
 
 
 Sheesh Wilton now you've done it. I wrote not one, not two but THREE papers 
 on that movie in college.
 
 No joke, I went to film school remember. I actually saw the movie in class, I 
 can't remember if it was Film History or something else. I did write a paper 
 on it for Film History, another was a technical dissection for Lighting, I 
 can't remember the third other than I did it, maybe something on the use of 
 black and white as an artistic decision...
 
 Anyway don't for one second thing any of the dialog in that movie was written 
 by accident. If its stilted its stilted on purpose...
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 18:49:16 -0400
 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling
 Message-ID: 8F57E18D42004311AD58ADCEDC72B4D8@wiltonPC
 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
 reply-type=original
 
 Yep, Slim (T. J.) did mention the special items, didn't he?
 
 No such inventory would ever have occurred in flight on a real such mission.
 Example of writer trying to insert another joke.
 
 BTW, y'all do realize, don't you that most (almost ALL) of the stuff in that
 movie was BS from somebody's imagination. For example, pilot never read any
 checklist for bombing or its prep and sure as Hell wouldn't have gone into
 the bomb bay for ANYTHING - if anybody did, it would have been the navigator
 or radar-navigator/bombardier. All of the in flight dialog was very
 stilted, imaginary BS - not like the real world at all.
 
 Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-08 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:
 To think... USA
 is abhorred that someone uses chemicals to kill a few citizens today,
 but we obliterated two cities, no repurcussions.

Exactly what repercussions would you have liked to have seen for what
was probably the best course of action at the time, given available
evidence, to decisively end a war whose aggressors threatened to
enslave the entire planet under totalitarianism?

As someone with WW2 vets and Holocaust survivors on both sides of my
family, I find this comparison ignorant, naive, misguided, morally
reprehensible, and deeply offensive.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-08 Thread Gary Hurst

i see.  so nuking hundreds of thousands of civilians prevented the planet
from being enslaved.  but we made them free, only to have the next group
we were challenged by be on the cusp of enslaving the world  fortunately
we were able to stop the kaiser from enslaving us, or, oh boy, think how
stupid we'd be looking right now wearing those helmets with those points on
them while living in a wurst eating servitude!

be offended by anyone who might disagree with you.  accuse them of trying
to enslave you.  feign the moral high ground and then kill, kill, kill!


On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 11:49 PM, Alex Chamberlain
apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
 wrote:
  To think... USA
  is abhorred that someone uses chemicals to kill a few citizens today,
  but we obliterated two cities, no repurcussions.

 Exactly what repercussions would you have liked to have seen for what
 was probably the best course of action at the time, given available
 evidence, to decisively end a war whose aggressors threatened to
 enslave the entire planet under totalitarianism?

 As someone with WW2 vets and Holocaust survivors on both sides of my
 family, I find this comparison ignorant, naive, misguided, morally
 reprehensible, and deeply offensive.

 Alex

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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-08 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:
   fortunately
 we were able to stop the kaiser from enslaving us, or, oh boy, think how
 stupid we'd be looking right now wearing those helmets with those points on
 them while living in a wurst eating servitude!

 be offended by anyone who might disagree with you.  accuse them of trying
 to enslave you.  feign the moral high ground and then kill, kill, kill!



I have absolutely no problem claiming the moral high ground over
Hitler and Stalin.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-08 Thread Gary Hurst

i believe you started by expressing how deeply offensive you found the
sentiment that japanese civilians ought not have been killed in large
number by nuclear attack.  hitler was already dead and your country
undertook this in league with stalin. so what does talk of hitler and
stalin have to do with this?   is it just a matter of you liking to spout
cliches to justify anything or are you genuinely this confused?

and you fail to answer my question as to whether you seriously feel you'd
have been enslaved today but for the nuking of japanese civilians?

do you fear they'd force feed you sushi and would you not like it if they
did?

i'm going to sleep.  should ali baba come enslave me overnight and i not be
heard from again, please accept my apologies for doubting your wisdom and
accept that i concede to your correct position




On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 12:32 AM, Alex Chamberlain
apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:
fortunately
  we were able to stop the kaiser from enslaving us, or, oh boy, think how
  stupid we'd be looking right now wearing those helmets with those points
 on
  them while living in a wurst eating servitude!
 
  be offended by anyone who might disagree with you.  accuse them of trying
  to enslave you.  feign the moral high ground and then kill, kill, kill!
 


 I have absolutely no problem claiming the moral high ground over
 Hitler and Stalin.

 Alex

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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-07 Thread clay

Local cop is in trouble because the hooker he was chasing after would not stop. 
 She spun around, he could not tell what was going on, so he drew his service 
weapon.  While it exited his holster, it went off and shot her in the leg.

He needs some gun control

clay

On Sep 6, 2013, at 7:53 PM, G Mann wrote:

 That is so comforting to know, next time I call 911, that it's likely the
 cop couldn't hit a barn door and will spray bullets like a gangster movie.
 Ha..
 
 Grant...
 
 Who has his criminal attorney on retainer and the phone number tattooed on
 his forearm.. for when the gun is hot and the perp is not.. after ... when
 it's time to call the cops and yours is the only story they will hear..
 Kidding of course.. I lost all my guns in a boating accident officer... now
 I just call 911 on my obama phone.. I'm sure glad you came... ;))
 
 
 On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 
 
 According to my local firearms instructor (who is a cop and also a firearms
 instructor for his department), most cops are not particularly good shots.
 They have so much other crap they have to do that for most good enough is
 good enough when it comes to qualifying.  The percentage of cops that ever
 fire their weapon for real is quite small. But it's a different story for
 aggressive enforcement teams.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of MG
 Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 9:23 AM
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling
 
 I remember using one of those. Back in college a girlfriend and I
 took a shooting class at local range. Class was run by the local
 Miami cops. We used 22s but our instructor let me use his hold
 out as he called it. Told me I would be lucky to put one in the
 target at the 25 feet we were using. I put 5 out of 5 in a 10
 circle. Quite impressed the guy as he told me he had never done
 that. Maybe he was just being nice to a kid in front of his
 girlfriend.
 
 Manfred
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-07 Thread Curt Raymond

Years ago I shot Hunter's Pistol Silhouette competitively, well I say 
competitively I kept the bottom tiers warm.

Anyway one day we went to the range for practice only to find the police had 
booked the place without telling anybody. They were running through some 
training that involved walking sideways past man sized metal cutouts at about 
10 yards. At one point they took a break and we commented that they didn't make 
all that many dings (metal targets ding when hit) compared to the amount of 
lead headed downrange. They asked if we could do better. My 17 year old self 
said I'd like to try but I wanted to do it at 100 yards.

At 100 yards, with a single shot pistol I was more accurate than any of the 
cops. With a semi-auto I was faster and more accurate (meaning I never missed) 
than any of the cops. They were shooting human scale targets, our 100 yard 
targets (cutouts of rams) were much smaller, maybe 1.5 feet by 1 foot.

Then they threw us off the range Its not safe to have you here.

-Curt


Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 22:53:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: m...@voyager.net
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 According to my local firearms instructor (who is a cop and also a
 firearms
 instructor for his department), most cops are not particularly good shots.
 They have so much other crap they have to do that for most good enough
 is
 good enough when it comes to qualifying.  The percentage of cops that ever
 fire their weapon for real is quite small. But it's a different story for
 aggressive enforcement teams.

Yeah, the death squads are expected to actually hit family pets when they
shoot at them.

The rest of the cops, well, one hit on target and two hits on bystanders
or other cops per 17 shot magazine seems to be the standard performance.

Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-07 Thread MG

Call the cops?!! You have a deep hole and you're way out in 
nowhere. Why bother. Much safer.

Manfred

Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 19:53:26 -0700
From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com

That is so comforting to know, next time I call 911, that it's 
likely the
cop couldn't hit a barn door and will spray bullets like a 
gangster movie.

Ha..

Grant...

Who has his criminal attorney on retainer and the phone number 
tattooed on
his forearm.. for when the gun is hot and the perp is not.. after 
... when
it's time to call the cops and yours is the only story they will 
hear..
Kidding of course.. I lost all my guns in a boating accident 
officer... now

I just call 911 on my obama phone.. I'm sure glad you came... ;))

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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-07 Thread Rich Thomas


Better call Saul!

--R

On 9/6/13 10:53 PM, G Mann wrote:

Who has his criminal attorney on retainer and the phone number tattooed on
his forearm.



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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-07 Thread Mitch Haley


Craig wrote:


The rest of the cops, well, one hit on target and two hits on bystanders
or other cops per 17 shot magazine seems to be the standard performance.


Yes, particularly in New York City.


Craig


I was kind of thinking about a recent NYPD shooting when I said that.

Someday maybe Los Angeles will step up to that level.
They used a LOT more than 3 magazines to put three nicks in those two LA Times 
delivery ladies in a parked Tacoma. I sure would have hated being in one of the 
houses on the wrong end of that street.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts needs a TRIM

2013-09-07 Thread Andrew Strasfogel

Hendrick, whose words slash like a Brisbane sugar cane worker's machete.


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:10 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 ATTABOY, Henny.

 Wilt

 - Original Message - From: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 10:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts needs a TRIM



  Ya know we'd love you even more, if you used capital letters now and then
 (that's the shift key or caps lock button) and trim your posts, I just
 trimmed about two miles of stuff off the bottom of your post.
 We know you have a shift button on your keyboard and we know it works :)

 Hendrik



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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-07 Thread Scott Ritchey


All of this serves to highlight the wide-spread misunderstanding of the real
nature of most police work, a misunderstanding largely fostered by the
entertainment media.  There are some well-trained and highly competent
tactical police units but most police work is administrative information
processing and a systematic showing of the flag.  Not a criticism, that's
just how it works.

One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says it's dangerous for
well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed police are safe.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 3:49 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

Local cop is in trouble because the hooker he was chasing after would not
stop.  She spun around, he could not tell what was going on, so he drew his
service weapon.  While it exited his holster, it went off and shot her in
the leg.

He needs some gun control

clay





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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

even if my job didn't involve shooting, i'd probably at least be able to
make a decent public show of it if i were  cop

i once saw a lieutenant miss a human sized target at 10 yards.  he flinched
from fear while firing the gun.  it doesn't inspire confidence even if one
knows that this man doesn't fire guns as part of his job


On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote:


 All of this serves to highlight the wide-spread misunderstanding of the
 real
 nature of most police work, a misunderstanding largely fostered by the
 entertainment media.  There are some well-trained and highly competent
 tactical police units but most police work is administrative information
 processing and a systematic showing of the flag.  Not a criticism, that's
 just how it works.

 One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says it's dangerous for
 well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed police are safe.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay
 Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 3:49 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

 Local cop is in trouble because the hooker he was chasing after would not
 stop.  She spun around, he could not tell what was going on, so he drew his
 service weapon.  While it exited his holster, it went off and shot her in
 the leg.

 He needs some gun control

 clay





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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-07 Thread OK Don

Ah - there is the crux of the matter, well-trained, law-abiding civilians
are in real short supply. Most selectively abide laws, only those they want
to.

On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote:
One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says it's dangerous for
well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed police are safe.


-- 
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who is well armed and law abiding, but barely potty trained.
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2013-09-07 Thread OK Don

The guns on cops are props to instill fear. I don't know why they bother to
carry ammo.


On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

   it doesn't inspire confidence even if one
 knows that this man doesn't fire guns as part of his job




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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-07 Thread Mitch Haley


Scott Ritchey wrote:


One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says it's dangerous for
well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed police are safe.


That line of crap, along with the stunning on-video counter example set by Lee 
Paige, is what spawned the phrase The Only Ones.


I know we laugh at Paige a lot, but have you ever seen any man maintain his 
composure with a hole in his foot as well as Lee Paige?
It is funny when he asks somebody to bring him a rifle and the crowd goes nooo, 
not the rifle!.

http://youtu.be/trlPcDg-B4E

This US Marshal was a lot less composed with a minor wound in his buttocks.
http://youtu.be/ycTwaROa1I0

http://www.examiner.com/article/who-are-the-only-ones-we-can-trust-with-guns
http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2006/10/carnival-of-only-ones_29.html

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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to weigh in on this
discussion.

To wit:  More than once, within the past decade, the US Supreme Court has
ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to protect citizens. The
only duty a policeman has is to protect himself.  As stunning as this may
be... it is the foundational basis for police to be armed.. to protect
themselves, ONLY.

We, the citizen, are on our own.  [Sorry Andrew, bad news, I know].  Police
do not stop crime. They report crime. Then consume great amounts of
time and money chasing those who do crime... sort of.. to gather evidence
which may or may not meet the burden of proof at trial to prove a crime was
committed.

If we indeed had a war on crime as we are told we do.. the body count
would be much higher... and police officers would be much better at weapons
handling.  Some are.. many are not, as stated here.

Grant...
Who was always amazed at the military who gave command pilots nukes then
armed them with 6 shot, short barrel .38 revolvers for personal protection
when they ejected over hostile country...
and always believed the crash axe was a better choice...


On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote:


 All of this serves to highlight the wide-spread misunderstanding of the
 real
 nature of most police work, a misunderstanding largely fostered by the
 entertainment media.  There are some well-trained and highly competent
 tactical police units but most police work is administrative information
 processing and a systematic showing of the flag.  Not a criticism, that's
 just how it works.

 One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says it's dangerous for
 well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed police are safe.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay
 Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 3:49 AM
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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

 Local cop is in trouble because the hooker he was chasing after would not
 stop.  She spun around, he could not tell what was going on, so he drew his
 service weapon.  While it exited his holster, it went off and shot her in
 the leg.

 He needs some gun control

 clay





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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots


On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

 Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to weigh in on this
 discussion.

 To wit:  More than once, within the past decade, the US Supreme Court has
 ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to protect citizens. The
 only duty a policeman has is to protect himself.  As stunning as this may
 be... it is the foundational basis for police to be armed.. to protect
 themselves, ONLY.

 We, the citizen, are on our own.  [Sorry Andrew, bad news, I know].  Police
 do not stop crime. They report crime. Then consume great amounts of
 time and money chasing those who do crime... sort of.. to gather evidence
 which may or may not meet the burden of proof at trial to prove a crime was
 committed.

 If we indeed had a war on crime as we are told we do.. the body count
 would be much higher... and police officers would be much better at weapons
 handling.  Some are.. many are not, as stated here.

 Grant...
 Who was always amazed at the military who gave command pilots nukes then
 armed them with 6 shot, short barrel .38 revolvers for personal protection
 when they ejected over hostile country...
 and always believed the crash axe was a better choice...


 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com
 wrote:

 
  All of this serves to highlight the wide-spread misunderstanding of the
  real
  nature of most police work, a misunderstanding largely fostered by the
  entertainment media.  There are some well-trained and highly competent
  tactical police units but most police work is administrative information
  processing and a systematic showing of the flag.  Not a criticism,
 that's
  just how it works.
 
  One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says it's dangerous for
  well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed police are
 safe.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay
  Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 3:49 AM
  To: Mercedes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling
 
  Local cop is in trouble because the hooker he was chasing after would not
  stop.  She spun around, he could not tell what was going on, so he drew
 his
  service weapon.  While it exited his holster, it went off and shot her in
  the leg.
 
  He needs some gun control
 
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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time flys] G I issue
was 6 round, 4 inch barrel.
The 5 shot ladies size revolvers had not been produced .. yet..

Now.. with the new military rules of engagement.. I suppose the Nuke
Command officers are sent out with a fresh tube of lipstick and one of butt
lube.. in case they are captured.. wrapped in a white flag.

Grant..
Late for my Kum byyy Yaaah drum cricle.. gotta run...


On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots


 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

  Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to weigh in on this
  discussion.
 
  To wit:  More than once, within the past decade, the US Supreme Court has
  ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to protect citizens. The
  only duty a policeman has is to protect himself.  As stunning as this may
  be... it is the foundational basis for police to be armed.. to protect
  themselves, ONLY.
 
  We, the citizen, are on our own.  [Sorry Andrew, bad news, I know].
  Police
  do not stop crime. They report crime. Then consume great amounts of
  time and money chasing those who do crime... sort of.. to gather evidence
  which may or may not meet the burden of proof at trial to prove a crime
 was
  committed.
 
  If we indeed had a war on crime as we are told we do.. the body count
  would be much higher... and police officers would be much better at
 weapons
  handling.  Some are.. many are not, as stated here.
 
  Grant...
  Who was always amazed at the military who gave command pilots nukes then
  armed them with 6 shot, short barrel .38 revolvers for personal
 protection
  when they ejected over hostile country...
  and always believed the crash axe was a better choice...
 
 
  On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com
  wrote:
 
  
   All of this serves to highlight the wide-spread misunderstanding of the
   real
   nature of most police work, a misunderstanding largely fostered by the
   entertainment media.  There are some well-trained and highly competent
   tactical police units but most police work is administrative
 information
   processing and a systematic showing of the flag.  Not a criticism,
  that's
   just how it works.
  
   One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says it's dangerous
 for
   well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed police are
  safe.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
 clay
   Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 3:49 AM
   To: Mercedes Discussion List
   Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling
  
   Local cop is in trouble because the hooker he was chasing after would
 not
   stop.  She spun around, he could not tell what was going on, so he drew
  his
   service weapon.  While it exited his holster, it went off and shot her
 in
   the leg.
  
   He needs some gun control
  
   clay
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

by back in the day, you are talking about 18 hundred and what?

the gun wilton describes having been issued should have had 5 bullets.

when do you fancy the lady sized was first made?


On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

 Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time flys] G I issue
 was 6 round, 4 inch barrel.
 The 5 shot ladies size revolvers had not been produced .. yet..

 Now.. with the new military rules of engagement.. I suppose the Nuke
 Command officers are sent out with a fresh tube of lipstick and one of butt
 lube.. in case they are captured.. wrapped in a white flag.

 Grant..
 Late for my Kum byyy Yaaah drum cricle.. gotta run...


 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

  the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots
 
 
  On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to weigh in on
 this
   discussion.
  
   To wit:  More than once, within the past decade, the US Supreme Court
 has
   ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to protect citizens.
 The
   only duty a policeman has is to protect himself.  As stunning as this
 may
   be... it is the foundational basis for police to be armed.. to protect
   themselves, ONLY.
  
   We, the citizen, are on our own.  [Sorry Andrew, bad news, I know].
   Police
   do not stop crime. They report crime. Then consume great amounts of
   time and money chasing those who do crime... sort of.. to gather
 evidence
   which may or may not meet the burden of proof at trial to prove a crime
  was
   committed.
  
   If we indeed had a war on crime as we are told we do.. the body count
   would be much higher... and police officers would be much better at
  weapons
   handling.  Some are.. many are not, as stated here.
  
   Grant...
   Who was always amazed at the military who gave command pilots nukes
 then
   armed them with 6 shot, short barrel .38 revolvers for personal
  protection
   when they ejected over hostile country...
   and always believed the crash axe was a better choice...
  
  
   On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com
   wrote:
  
   
All of this serves to highlight the wide-spread misunderstanding of
 the
real
nature of most police work, a misunderstanding largely fostered by
 the
entertainment media.  There are some well-trained and highly
 competent
tactical police units but most police work is administrative
  information
processing and a systematic showing of the flag.  Not a criticism,
   that's
just how it works.
   
One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says it's dangerous
  for
well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed police are
   safe.
   
-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
  clay
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 3:49 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling
   
Local cop is in trouble because the hooker he was chasing after would
  not
stop.  She spun around, he could not tell what was going on, so he
 drew
   his
service weapon.  While it exited his holster, it went off and shot
 her
  in
the leg.
   
He needs some gun control
   
clay
   
   
   
   
   
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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-07 Thread Rick Knoble

On Sep 7, 2013, at 7:20 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

 Grant...
 Who was always amazed at the military who gave command pilots nukes then
 armed them with 6 shot, short barrel .38 revolvers for personal protection
 when they ejected over hostile country...


I was kinda thinking that pistol was in case a fellow crew member lost it and 
tried something stupid. Stressful job and all. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

Back in the day.. circa.. 1967.. Vietnam...


On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 by back in the day, you are talking about 18 hundred and what?

 the gun wilton describes having been issued should have had 5 bullets.

 when do you fancy the lady sized was first made?


 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

  Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time flys] G I issue
  was 6 round, 4 inch barrel.
  The 5 shot ladies size revolvers had not been produced .. yet..
 
  Now.. with the new military rules of engagement.. I suppose the Nuke
  Command officers are sent out with a fresh tube of lipstick and one of
 butt
  lube.. in case they are captured.. wrapped in a white flag.
 
  Grant..
  Late for my Kum byyy Yaaah drum cricle.. gotta run...
 
 
  On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots
  
  
   On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
  
Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to weigh in on
  this
discussion.
   
To wit:  More than once, within the past decade, the US Supreme Court
  has
ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to protect citizens.
  The
only duty a policeman has is to protect himself.  As stunning as this
  may
be... it is the foundational basis for police to be armed.. to
 protect
themselves, ONLY.
   
We, the citizen, are on our own.  [Sorry Andrew, bad news, I know].
Police
do not stop crime. They report crime. Then consume great amounts
 of
time and money chasing those who do crime... sort of.. to gather
  evidence
which may or may not meet the burden of proof at trial to prove a
 crime
   was
committed.
   
If we indeed had a war on crime as we are told we do.. the body
 count
would be much higher... and police officers would be much better at
   weapons
handling.  Some are.. many are not, as stated here.
   
Grant...
Who was always amazed at the military who gave command pilots nukes
  then
armed them with 6 shot, short barrel .38 revolvers for personal
   protection
when they ejected over hostile country...
and always believed the crash axe was a better choice...
   
   
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com
wrote:
   

 All of this serves to highlight the wide-spread misunderstanding of
  the
 real
 nature of most police work, a misunderstanding largely fostered by
  the
 entertainment media.  There are some well-trained and highly
  competent
 tactical police units but most police work is administrative
   information
 processing and a systematic showing of the flag.  Not a
 criticism,
that's
 just how it works.

 One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says it's
 dangerous
   for
 well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed police
 are
safe.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
   clay
 Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 3:49 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

 Local cop is in trouble because the hooker he was chasing after
 would
   not
 stop.  She spun around, he could not tell what was going on, so he
  drew
his
 service weapon.  While it exited his holster, it went off and shot
  her
   in
 the leg.

 He needs some gun control

 clay





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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

says 1950 on this ladysize.  i don't think there are any ladysize with 6
shots

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_36


On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

 Back in the day.. circa.. 1967.. Vietnam...


 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

  by back in the day, you are talking about 18 hundred and what?
 
  the gun wilton describes having been issued should have had 5 bullets.
 
  when do you fancy the lady sized was first made?
 
 
  On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time flys] G I
 issue
   was 6 round, 4 inch barrel.
   The 5 shot ladies size revolvers had not been produced .. yet..
  
   Now.. with the new military rules of engagement.. I suppose the Nuke
   Command officers are sent out with a fresh tube of lipstick and one of
  butt
   lube.. in case they are captured.. wrapped in a white flag.
  
   Grant..
   Late for my Kum byyy Yaaah drum cricle.. gotta run...
  
  
   On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  
the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots
   
   
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
   
 Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to weigh in on
   this
 discussion.

 To wit:  More than once, within the past decade, the US Supreme
 Court
   has
 ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to protect
 citizens.
   The
 only duty a policeman has is to protect himself.  As stunning as
 this
   may
 be... it is the foundational basis for police to be armed.. to
  protect
 themselves, ONLY.

 We, the citizen, are on our own.  [Sorry Andrew, bad news, I know].
 Police
 do not stop crime. They report crime. Then consume great
 amounts
  of
 time and money chasing those who do crime... sort of.. to gather
   evidence
 which may or may not meet the burden of proof at trial to prove a
  crime
was
 committed.

 If we indeed had a war on crime as we are told we do.. the body
  count
 would be much higher... and police officers would be much better at
weapons
 handling.  Some are.. many are not, as stated here.

 Grant...
 Who was always amazed at the military who gave command pilots nukes
   then
 armed them with 6 shot, short barrel .38 revolvers for personal
protection
 when they ejected over hostile country...
 and always believed the crash axe was a better choice...


 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Scott Ritchey 
 ritche...@nc.rr.com
 wrote:

 
  All of this serves to highlight the wide-spread misunderstanding
 of
   the
  real
  nature of most police work, a misunderstanding largely fostered
 by
   the
  entertainment media.  There are some well-trained and highly
   competent
  tactical police units but most police work is administrative
information
  processing and a systematic showing of the flag.  Not a
  criticism,
 that's
  just how it works.
 
  One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says it's
  dangerous
for
  well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed police
  are
 safe.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf
 Of
clay
  Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 3:49 AM
  To: Mercedes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling
 
  Local cop is in trouble because the hooker he was chasing after
  would
not
  stop.  She spun around, he could not tell what was going on, so
 he
   drew
 his
  service weapon.  While it exited his holster, it went off and
 shot
   her
in
  the leg.
 
  He needs some gun control
 
  clay
 
 
 
 
 
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http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-271423.html

K frame.. 4 inch barrel... early issue aluminum cylinders were drawn back
due to issues..
6 round cylinders... very little firepower when you are hanging from shroud
lines after punching out from a SAM damaged F4 and your LZ is populated
with black pajamas and AK's and SKS's with bayonets.

Jolly Green.. where are you?

Grant...


On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 says 1950 on this ladysize.  i don't think there are any ladysize with 6
 shots

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_36


 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

  Back in the day.. circa.. 1967.. Vietnam...
 
 
  On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   by back in the day, you are talking about 18 hundred and what?
  
   the gun wilton describes having been issued should have had 5 bullets.
  
   when do you fancy the lady sized was first made?
  
  
   On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
  
Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time flys] G I
  issue
was 6 round, 4 inch barrel.
The 5 shot ladies size revolvers had not been produced .. yet..
   
Now.. with the new military rules of engagement.. I suppose the Nuke
Command officers are sent out with a fresh tube of lipstick and one
 of
   butt
lube.. in case they are captured.. wrapped in a white flag.
   
Grant..
Late for my Kum byyy Yaaah drum cricle.. gotta run...
   
   
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
   wrote:
   
 the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots


 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

  Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to weigh in
 on
this
  discussion.
 
  To wit:  More than once, within the past decade, the US Supreme
  Court
has
  ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to protect
  citizens.
The
  only duty a policeman has is to protect himself.  As stunning as
  this
may
  be... it is the foundational basis for police to be armed.. to
   protect
  themselves, ONLY.
 
  We, the citizen, are on our own.  [Sorry Andrew, bad news, I
 know].
  Police
  do not stop crime. They report crime. Then consume great
  amounts
   of
  time and money chasing those who do crime... sort of.. to gather
evidence
  which may or may not meet the burden of proof at trial to prove a
   crime
 was
  committed.
 
  If we indeed had a war on crime as we are told we do.. the body
   count
  would be much higher... and police officers would be much better
 at
 weapons
  handling.  Some are.. many are not, as stated here.
 
  Grant...
  Who was always amazed at the military who gave command pilots
 nukes
then
  armed them with 6 shot, short barrel .38 revolvers for personal
 protection
  when they ejected over hostile country...
  and always believed the crash axe was a better choice...
 
 
  On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Scott Ritchey 
  ritche...@nc.rr.com
  wrote:
 
  
   All of this serves to highlight the wide-spread
 misunderstanding
  of
the
   real
   nature of most police work, a misunderstanding largely fostered
  by
the
   entertainment media.  There are some well-trained and highly
competent
   tactical police units but most police work is administrative
 information
   processing and a systematic showing of the flag.  Not a
   criticism,
  that's
   just how it works.
  
   One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says it's
   dangerous
 for
   well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed
 police
   are
  safe.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On
 Behalf
  Of
 clay
   Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 3:49 AM
   To: Mercedes Discussion List
   Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling
  
   Local cop is in trouble because the hooker he was chasing after
   would
 not
   stop.  She spun around, he could not tell what was going on, so
  he
drew
  his
   service weapon.  While it exited his holster, it went off and
  shot
her
 in
   the leg.
  
   He needs some gun control
  
   clay
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

that is a different gun than wilton describes he was issued.  are you
saying he is confused or are you discussing a completely different subject
than i am?  or am i confused at to wilton's claims?


On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:13 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-271423.html

 K frame.. 4 inch barrel... early issue aluminum cylinders were drawn back
 due to issues..
 6 round cylinders... very little firepower when you are hanging from shroud
 lines after punching out from a SAM damaged F4 and your LZ is populated
 with black pajamas and AK's and SKS's with bayonets.

 Jolly Green.. where are you?

 Grant...


 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

  says 1950 on this ladysize.  i don't think there are any ladysize with 6
  shots
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_36
 
 
  On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Back in the day.. circa.. 1967.. Vietnam...
  
  
   On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  
by back in the day, you are talking about 18 hundred and what?
   
the gun wilton describes having been issued should have had 5
 bullets.
   
when do you fancy the lady sized was first made?
   
   
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
   
 Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time flys] G I
   issue
 was 6 round, 4 inch barrel.
 The 5 shot ladies size revolvers had not been produced .. yet..

 Now.. with the new military rules of engagement.. I suppose the
 Nuke
 Command officers are sent out with a fresh tube of lipstick and one
  of
butt
 lube.. in case they are captured.. wrapped in a white flag.

 Grant..
 Late for my Kum byyy Yaaah drum cricle.. gotta run...


 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
wrote:

  the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots
 
 
  On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to weigh
 in
  on
 this
   discussion.
  
   To wit:  More than once, within the past decade, the US Supreme
   Court
 has
   ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to protect
   citizens.
 The
   only duty a policeman has is to protect himself.  As stunning
 as
   this
 may
   be... it is the foundational basis for police to be armed.. to
protect
   themselves, ONLY.
  
   We, the citizen, are on our own.  [Sorry Andrew, bad news, I
  know].
   Police
   do not stop crime. They report crime. Then consume great
   amounts
of
   time and money chasing those who do crime... sort of.. to
 gather
 evidence
   which may or may not meet the burden of proof at trial to
 prove a
crime
  was
   committed.
  
   If we indeed had a war on crime as we are told we do.. the
 body
count
   would be much higher... and police officers would be much
 better
  at
  weapons
   handling.  Some are.. many are not, as stated here.
  
   Grant...
   Who was always amazed at the military who gave command pilots
  nukes
 then
   armed them with 6 shot, short barrel .38 revolvers for personal
  protection
   when they ejected over hostile country...
   and always believed the crash axe was a better choice...
  
  
   On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Scott Ritchey 
   ritche...@nc.rr.com
   wrote:
  
   
All of this serves to highlight the wide-spread
  misunderstanding
   of
 the
real
nature of most police work, a misunderstanding largely
 fostered
   by
 the
entertainment media.  There are some well-trained and highly
 competent
tactical police units but most police work is administrative
  information
processing and a systematic showing of the flag.  Not a
criticism,
   that's
just how it works.
   
One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says it's
dangerous
  for
well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed
  police
are
   safe.
   
-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On
  Behalf
   Of
  clay
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 3:49 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling
   
Local cop is in trouble because the hooker he was chasing
 after
would
  not
stop.  She spun around, he could not tell what was going on,
 so
   he
 drew
   his
service weapon.  While it exited his holster, it went off and
   shot
 her
  in
the leg.
   
He needs some gun control
   
clay

Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

 and a systematic showing of the flag.  Not a
 criticism,
that's
 just how it works.

 One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says it's
 dangerous
   for
 well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed
   police
 are
safe.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On
   Behalf
Of
   clay
 Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 3:49 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

 Local cop is in trouble because the hooker he was chasing
  after
 would
   not
 stop.  She spun around, he could not tell what was going
 on,
  so
he
  drew
his
 service weapon.  While it exited his holster, it went off
 and
shot
  her
   in
 the leg.

 He needs some gun control

 clay





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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

 handling.  Some are.. many are not, as stated here.

 Grant...
 Who was always amazed at the military who gave command
 pilots
nukes
   then
 armed them with 6 shot, short barrel .38 revolvers for
  personal
protection
 when they ejected over hostile country...
 and always believed the crash axe was a better choice...


 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Scott Ritchey 
 ritche...@nc.rr.com
 wrote:

 
  All of this serves to highlight the wide-spread
misunderstanding
 of
   the
  real
  nature of most police work, a misunderstanding largely
   fostered
 by
   the
  entertainment media.  There are some well-trained and
  highly
   competent
  tactical police units but most police work is
  administrative
information
  processing and a systematic showing of the flag.  Not a
  criticism,
 that's
  just how it works.
 
  One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says
 it's
  dangerous
for
  well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed
police
  are
 safe.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On
Behalf
 Of
clay
  Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 3:49 AM
  To: Mercedes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling
 
  Local cop is in trouble because the hooker he was chasing
   after
  would
not
  stop.  She spun around, he could not tell what was going
  on,
   so
 he
   drew
 his
  service weapon.  While it exited his holster, it went off
  and
 shot
   her
in
  the leg.
 
  He needs some gun control
 
  clay
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

2013-09-07 Thread Scott Ritchey

I think Wilton later said it probably had a 4 inch barrel, maybe a model 10.
That's what I trained on in 1968.

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From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Hurst
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 10:48 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling

he made claim that he was issued a small frame shot barrel revolver.  from
his description it would be a J frame with a 2 or shorter barrel.  maybe
he was issued a 4 inch barrel K frame.  so we are talking about different
guns

as for shooting your way out surrounded by your highly armed enemy, i don't
think it's going to matter a while hill of beans whether you are toting a
1911 or a k frame revolver.  neither will get you out and both leave you
relatively unarmed

however, if you were telling me we were going to have a gun fight and
offered for me to choose my weapon i'd pick the 1911 and let you have the
revolver every time.  i am unclear on why the air force chose to issue
revolvers as well

On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:39 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

 We may be talking apples and oranges.. or we may be talking only apples..
 Apparently.. crew issue sidearms were at the discretion of the armory at
 the departing base.  Some flight crews were issued S  W, K frame/4 inch
 barrel/6 round revolvers.. which was authorized issue.  Others had access
 to the more desired Colt 1911 which were, sometimes available... Other
 crews were permitted to arm themselves with personally owned weapons.. at
 the discretion of the commanding officer.. most likely..

 Rank, after all.. has it's privilege, and Flight Officers did what they
 did.  In Wilton's case.. what ever happened happened..  I recall being
 issued the standard SW K frame.. and feeling seriously unarmed for the
 theater of operation.

 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

  that is a different gun than wilton describes he was issued.  are you
  saying he is confused or are you discussing a completely different
 subject
  than i am?  or am i confused at to wilton's claims?

  On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:13 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

   http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-271423.html

   K frame.. 4 inch barrel... early issue aluminum cylinders were drawn
 back
   due to issues..
   6 round cylinders... very little firepower when you are hanging from
  shroud
   lines after punching out from a SAM damaged F4 and your LZ is
populated
   with black pajamas and AK's and SKS's with bayonets.

   Jolly Green.. where are you?

   Grant...

   On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
  wrote:

says 1950 on this ladysize.  i don't think there are any ladysize
 with
  6
shots

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_36

On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

 Back in the day.. circa.. 1967.. Vietnam...

 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
wrote:

  by back in the day, you are talking about 18 hundred and what?

  the gun wilton describes having been issued should have had 5
   bullets.

  when do you fancy the lady sized was first made?

  On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com
 wrote:

   Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time flys]
 G
  I
 issue
   was 6 round, 4 inch barrel.
   The 5 shot ladies size revolvers had not been produced ..
yet..

   Now.. with the new military rules of engagement.. I suppose
the
   Nuke
   Command officers are sent out with a fresh tube of lipstick
and
  one
of
  butt
   lube.. in case they are captured.. wrapped in a white flag.

   Grant..
   Late for my Kum byyy Yaaah drum cricle.. gotta run...

   On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gary Hurst 
  jabbahur...@gmail.com
  wrote:

the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots

On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com
   wrote:

 Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to
 weigh
   in
on
   this
 discussion.

 To wit:  More than once, within the past decade, the US
  Supreme
 Court
   has
 ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to
protect
 citizens.
   The
 only duty a policeman has is to protect himself.  As
 stunning
   as
 this
   may
 be... it is the foundational basis for police to be
armed..
  to
  protect
 themselves, ONLY.

 We, the citizen, are on our own.  [Sorry Andrew, bad news,
 I
know].
 Police
 do not stop crime. They report crime. Then consume
 great
 amounts
  of
 time and money chasing those who do crime... sort

Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling