Re: [MBZ] buymbparts
O, I need parts clay On Apr 1, 2015, at 8:19 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I am happy to report I have been in contact with Rusty and Gary and they are getting back together to relaunch Buyparts. More news to follow. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] buymbparts
I am happy to report I have been in contact with Rusty and Gary and they are getting back together to relaunch Buyparts. More news to follow. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] buymbparts
I think John Oliver said it best about April Fools pranks a few days ago: Don't be a dick Dan On Apr 1, 2015, at 11:19 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I am happy to report I have been in contact with Rusty and Gary and they are getting back together to relaunch Buyparts. More news to follow. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] buymbparts
Not taking the fool bait I don't think I ever paid Gary for the monovalve part I ordered from him, he never called me to get a CC#. --R On 4/1/15 11:19 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I am happy to report I have been in contact with Rusty and Gary and they are getting back together to relaunch Buyparts. More news to follow. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] buymbparts
Part of the agreement with the new bimby is jabba is going to take over the running of the lists. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2015, at 10:19 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I am happy to report I have been in contact with Rusty and Gary and they are getting back together to relaunch Buyparts. More news to follow. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] buymbparts
This is not quite as good as Regina's FB one buddy boy. On Apr 1, 2015 8:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Part of the agreement with the new bimby is jabba is going to take over the running of the lists. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2015, at 10:19 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I am happy to report I have been in contact with Rusty and Gary and they are getting back together to relaunch Buyparts. More news to follow. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling
competent tactical police units but most police work is administrative information processing and a systematic showing of the flag. Not a criticism, that's just how it works. One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says it's dangerous for well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed police are safe. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com ] On Behalf Of clay Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 3:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Local cop is in trouble because the hooker he was chasing after would not stop. She spun around, he could not tell what was going on, so he drew his service weapon. While it exited his holster, it went off and shot her in the leg. He needs some gun control clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http
Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling
Scott Ritchey wrote: My training was to resist as long as possible by any means possible and that was my plan. But then I've never been a POW, although I;\'ve known and worked with a few. In Heinlein's novel Friday, the title character was a top secret courier. She got captured early on, when she returned to home base and found it under enemy control. She sang like a canary, explaining to the readers that it was in her standing orders from her boss. Said that few could resist torture, and only God could resist drugs, so what's the point in getting your body messed up in the process just to save your ego? In actual wartime, if you really know something that will hurt your side when it gets out, it might be important to delay the release of what you know while your side works to mitigate the damage after they realize you were captured. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling
One of my favorite novels... -Curt Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 08:12:31 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Message-ID: 5233012f.7080...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Scott Ritchey wrote: My training was to resist as long as possible by any means possible and that was my plan. But then I've never been a POW, although I;\'ve known and worked with a few. In Heinlein's novel Friday, the title character was a top secret courier. She got captured early on, when she returned to home base and found it under enemy control. She sang like a canary, explaining to the readers that it was in her standing orders from her boss. Said that few could resist torture, and only God could resist drugs, so what's the point in getting your body messed up in the process just to save your ego? In actual wartime, if you really know something that will hurt your side when it gets out, it might be important to delay the release of what you know while your side works to mitigate the damage after they realize you were captured. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling
5 bullets. when do you fancy the lady sized was first made? On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time flys] G I issue was 6 round, 4 inch barrel. The 5 shot ladies size revolvers had not been produced .. yet.. Now.. with the new military rules of engagement.. I suppose the Nuke Command officers are sent out with a fresh tube of lipstick and one of butt lube.. in case they are captured.. wrapped in a white flag. Grant.. Late for my Kum byyy Yaaah drum cricle.. gotta run... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to weigh in on this discussion. To wit: More than once, within the past decade, the US Supreme Court has ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to protect citizens. The only duty a policeman has is to protect himself. As stunning as this may be... it is the foundational basis for police to be armed.. to protect themselves, ONLY. We, the citizen, are on our own. [Sorry Andrew, bad news, I know]. Police do not stop crime. They report crime. Then consume great amounts of time and money chasing those who do crime... sort of.. to gather evidence which may or may not meet the burden of proof at trial to prove a crime was committed. If we indeed had a war on crime as we are told we do.. the body count would be much higher... and police officers would be much better at weapons handling. Some are.. many are not, as stated here. Grant... Who was always amazed at the military who gave command pilots nukes then armed them with 6 shot, short barrel .38 revolvers for personal protection when they ejected over hostile country... and always believed the crash axe was a better choice... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: All of this serves to highlight the wide-spread misunderstanding of the real nature of most police work, a misunderstanding largely fostered by the entertainment media. There are some well-trained and highly competent tactical police units but most police work is administrative information processing and a systematic showing of the flag. Not a criticism, that's just how it works. One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says it's dangerous for well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed police are safe. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com ] On Behalf Of clay Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 3:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Local cop is in trouble because the hooker he was chasing after would not stop. She spun around, he could not tell what was going on, so he drew his service weapon. While it exited his holster, it went off and shot her in the leg. He needs some gun control clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] buymbparts
Maybe THIS is where we should draw a big line. Mike On Sep 6, 2013 3:41 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Group hug? yikes! Dan On Sep 6, 2013, at 3:07 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i'd say the best parts with the best service, but how petty it would be of me to quibble with such a glowing endorsement! i really think the whole thing was and is blown out of proportion. i have a bit of an earl weaver style bad temper and when the lid blows, it really blows. i'm not trying to justify my previous antics. in fact, i don't think they were justified at all. i regret them and wish i hadn't have blown up as i did. i was put in bad circumstances, unfairly, and i didn't quite rise to the occasion but rather sunk with it to the murky bottom. i'd like to think i'd do better today. it all took on kind of a mythologized life of it's own as such things sadly often do when a mob mentality is at work. most of you had done business with me for years and everything was always happy so the idea that i suddenly became the incorrigible and unredeemable villain, adolf hitler II, overnight is just stupid and the ridiculousness of this extreme position becomes clearer as more and more people have actual interactions with me again. i'm not saying this to be critical of this group, per se, but this is just the unfortunate consequence of all groups. a common mythology is invented and adhered to and whether or not it is reality or fantasy is of no consequence to the mob. it's like some kind of tribal chimpanzee evolutionary biology thing or something maybe the simple bottom line is that all of you used to like me and liked to do business with me and you are all coming to like me and to like to do business with me once again because the reality is that i'm a likable guy who is good to do business with and the supervillain is just an abstract fantasy with little actual connection to the real me. those who are hell bent on perpetuating the fantasy villain me mythology are rapidly losing all credibility in their quest to pin the collective crimes of humanity on me. in other words, the war is over haters and you are just going to have to get with the getting along program as no one is going to believe your story about me and the lindbergh baby anymore. hating on dr fat just has no future for you. at this time, please rise as dmitri and i sing we are the world :) On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:10 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Well said Gary. I remember some of the stuff you said some years ago on this list and while some of it was quite amusing, it was also a bit over the top with personal attacks which is likely why you got banned. This time around you have been nothing but civil. In my opinion you have the absolute right to defend yourself when attacked And you have done so in a civilized and logical manner. The bottom line is you are no bullshit. You provide good parts and a good service and that's the end of the story. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2013, at 11:23 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: as you should, wilton, but it is happening here. this thread starts with trent telling the story of how MY mess is the reason he has problems, aka why he steals when i answer allegations, i get told i ought to get kicked off this list for it. it's not meant in the spirit of humor, but it is schoolyard bullying by people who think they can take free shots at me. it is untoward and unbecoming and it ought not be tolerated by anyone as for trent, he stole and lied. that's a fact beyond dispute, not a personal attack. when he brings my name into conversation i have a right to answer. the fact that when i do a number of people gang up on me is just sick. it ought to stop. On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 11:16 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I strongly discourage personal attacks against any one of us. Wilton - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts email me privately if you are interested in details. wilton is right in saying we ought not go down this road again on the list. i think also, however, i should be allowed to defend myself if attacked. personal attacks against me should be discouraged as well On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com ** wrote: .... No one is dealing with Trent or is even thinking about it IMO. It's just an interesting situation that several of us have been involved with. Those that want to keep him on the list probably just want to see how it all plays out. What's this about Rusty threatening to murder your daughter
Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling
My training was to resist as long as possible by any means possible and that was my plan. But then I've never been a POW, although I;\'ve known and worked with a few. Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 2:36 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling let me ask you a question, as a veteran and apparently one of vietnam. prisoners at the hanoi hilton all agreed that a man could be made to sign or so anything as a result of torture and every man is eventually broken. there was, however, a dispute as to how to treat this recognition. on the one side, stockdale insisted that even though you knew you were going to be broken, you must resist for as long as you possibly could. kittinger argued that as resistance is futile, save yourself the waste of energy and physical and mental damage from the torture and sign whatever they wanted you to sign right away. as stockdale was the senior officer (although if there was recognition of coolness points, kittinger would certainly have been head man), his way became policy i personally agree strongly with kittinger on this and would like to know what your view is regarding which method is correct ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling
i think that's the dominant view but who can argue with kittinger? On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: My training was to resist as long as possible by any means possible and that was my plan. But then I've never been a POW, although I;\'ve known and worked with a few. Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 2:36 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling let me ask you a question, as a veteran and apparently one of vietnam. prisoners at the hanoi hilton all agreed that a man could be made to sign or so anything as a result of torture and every man is eventually broken. there was, however, a dispute as to how to treat this recognition. on the one side, stockdale insisted that even though you knew you were going to be broken, you must resist for as long as you possibly could. kittinger argued that as resistance is futile, save yourself the waste of energy and physical and mental damage from the torture and sign whatever they wanted you to sign right away. as stockdale was the senior officer (although if there was recognition of coolness points, kittinger would certainly have been head man), his way became policy i personally agree strongly with kittinger on this and would like to know what your view is regarding which method is correct ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Now you're confusing your wars, you mean Hitler and Tojo. You left yourself open before, we used nukes against an aggressor country, thats fair game, the Japanese knew retribution was coming. Syria is a different ball of wax though I'm not completely convinced yet about who exactly unleashed the chemical weapons. Maybe I'm just jaded but I don't trust anything I see on television. Sure it looks like those people had been gassed but I can set that up in my backyard in 2 hours... -Curt Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 21:32:20 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Message-ID: CABHyH=bxl-hxwkqxqfikjpv7o_jhggqvrbjpyimaq23axvz...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: fortunately we were able to stop the kaiser from enslaving us, or, oh boy, think how stupid we'd be looking right now wearing those helmets with those points on them while living in a wurst eating servitude! be offended by anyone who might disagree with you. accuse them of trying to enslave you. feign the moral high ground and then kill, kill, kill! I have absolutely no problem claiming the moral high ground over Hitler and Stalin. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Chinese didn't seem so thrilled with Japanese occupation... -Curt Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 01:02:00 -0400 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Message-ID: caciok3v9asmmgnuz4hdunzpwu_fufmjo14phbodlkpnvds8...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i believe you started by expressing how deeply offensive you found the sentiment that japanese civilians ought not have been killed in large number by nuclear attack. hitler was already dead and your country undertook this in league with stalin. so what does talk of hitler and stalin have to do with this? is it just a matter of you liking to spout cliches to justify anything or are you genuinely this confused? and you fail to answer my question as to whether you seriously feel you'd have been enslaved today but for the nuking of japanese civilians? do you fear they'd force feed you sushi and would you not like it if they did? i'm going to sleep. should ali baba come enslave me overnight and i not be heard from again, please accept my apologies for doubting your wisdom and accept that i concede to your correct position ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That's right - Buck. Thanks. Who was Jack Ripper? Was that the Col. Nut barricaded in his office? Wilt - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Frying chickens in the barnyard! George C. Scott was General Buck Turgidson. Dan and sug - be sure to say your prayers. Sent from my iPad On Sep 8, 2013, at 10:49 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Yes, I understand that; I'm afraid, though, that many think/thought that a lot of that satire was depicting real life, or maybe, didn't get the joke(s). Because I was living it for real every day (overall for nearly fourteen years), it was a bit hard on me to know that some people think/thought that was the way it really was. 'Don't mean to imply any discredit to the movie - it was/is, after all, a MOVIE - entertainment - not a completely accurate representation of the real flight and actions that I lived daily. Isn't that the way of most any movie, play, etc., for one who is intimately familiar with the story in real life? BTW, one of the best scenes for me was when George C. Scott (was it Gen. Jack Ripper?) was enthusiastically telling the President how the bomber could get right on down REAL LOW, beneath the radar - stuff we practiced on every training mission. I've enjoyed the movie several times, too. When I get a chance, I'll see it again. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Sheesh Wilton now you've done it. I wrote not one, not two but THREE papers on that movie in college. No joke, I went to film school remember. I actually saw the movie in class, I can't remember if it was Film History or something else. I did write a paper on it for Film History, another was a technical dissection for Lighting, I can't remember the third other than I did it, maybe something on the use of black and white as an artistic decision... Anyway don't for one second thing any of the dialog in that movie was written by accident. If its stilted its stilted on purpose... -Curt Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 18:49:16 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Message-ID: 8F57E18D42004311AD58ADCEDC72B4D8@wiltonPC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Yep, Slim (T. J.) did mention the special items, didn't he? No such inventory would ever have occurred in flight on a real such mission. Example of writer trying to insert another joke. BTW, y'all do realize, don't you that most (almost ALL) of the stuff in that movie was BS from somebody's imagination. For example, pilot never read any checklist for bombing or its prep and sure as Hell wouldn't have gone into the bomb bay for ANYTHING - if anybody did, it would have been the navigator or radar-navigator/bombardier. All of the in flight dialog was very stilted, imaginary BS - not like the real world at all. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes, Jack Ripper was the precious bodily fluids guy. Dan who does not want a mine shaft gap On Sep 9, 2013, at 9:46 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: That's right - Buck. Thanks. Who was Jack Ripper? Was that the Col. Nut barricaded in his office? Wilt - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Frying chickens in the barnyard! George C. Scott was General Buck Turgidson. Dan and sug - be sure to say your prayers. Sent from my iPad On Sep 8, 2013, at 10:49 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Yes, I understand that; I'm afraid, though, that many think/thought that a lot of that satire was depicting real life, or maybe, didn't get the joke(s). Because I was living it for real every day (overall for nearly fourteen years), it was a bit hard on me to know that some people think/thought that was the way it really was. 'Don't mean to imply any discredit to the movie - it was/is, after all, a MOVIE - entertainment - not a completely accurate representation of the real flight and actions that I lived daily. Isn't that the way of most any movie, play, etc., for one who is intimately familiar with the story in real life? BTW, one of the best scenes for me was when George C. Scott (was it Gen. Jack Ripper?) was enthusiastically telling the President how the bomber could get right on down REAL LOW, beneath the radar - stuff we practiced on every training mission. I've enjoyed the movie several times, too. When I get a chance, I'll see it again. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Sheesh Wilton now you've done it. I wrote not one, not two but THREE papers on that movie in college. No joke, I went to film school remember. I actually saw the movie in class, I can't remember if it was Film History or something else. I did write a paper on it for Film History, another was a technical dissection for Lighting, I can't remember the third other than I did it, maybe something on the use of black and white as an artistic decision... Anyway don't for one second thing any of the dialog in that movie was written by accident. If its stilted its stilted on purpose... -Curt Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 18:49:16 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Message-ID: 8F57E18D42004311AD58ADCEDC72B4D8@wiltonPC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Yep, Slim (T. J.) did mention the special items, didn't he? No such inventory would ever have occurred in flight on a real such mission. Example of writer trying to insert another joke. BTW, y'all do realize, don't you that most (almost ALL) of the stuff in that movie was BS from somebody's imagination. For example, pilot never read any checklist for bombing or its prep and sure as Hell wouldn't have gone into the bomb bay for ANYTHING - if anybody did, it would have been the navigator or radar-navigator/bombardier. All of the in flight dialog was very stilted, imaginary BS - not like the real world at all. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sep 9, 2013, at 8:37 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Sure it looks like those people had been gassed but I can set that up in my backyard in 2 hours... Wag The Dog? Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Too right, but these days anybody with a phone and a computer (maybe even just their phone) can make most of that happen... I've been thinking about that movie a lot lately, surprised it hasn't been mentioned. -Curt Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 09:08:54 -0500 From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Message-ID: bay406-eas626fd8bc709562d84f0791dd...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sep 9, 2013, at 8:37 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Sure it looks like those people had been gassed but I can set that up in my backyard in 2 hours... Wag The Dog? Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 07:22:39 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Too right, but these days anybody with a phone and a computer (maybe even just their phone) can make most of that happen... I've been thinking about that movie a lot lately, surprised it hasn't been mentioned. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wag+the+dog 3. wag the dog To start a war or military operation to divert negative politcal attention away from yourself. Based on the movie of the same name, where the President fabricates a fake war to take political pressure away from a scandal. When Cater ordered Opertaion Eagle Claw he was playing wag the dog, because he was a very unpopular and weak President and wanted to seem like he handled it strongly. It is suggested that Clinton wagged the dog by helping NATO bomb Kosovo at the same time as the Lewinski scandal. This theory came about because the film had just been released. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt Raymond wrote: Chinese didn't seem so thrilled with Japanese occupation... I went to college with a girl whose Chinese born grandparents refused to sit in a Toyota 40 years later. On the subject of nuking Japanese cities, isn't it still commonly accepted that taking Japan and Okinawa inch by inch like giant versions of Iwo Jima would have been far bloodier than dropping a couple of low yield nukes? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What was the alternative? We saw how difficult it was to take Iwo Jima and other pacific islands. The Japanese weren't about to just stop and lay down their arms. We're talking about an Imperialist government that had proven it had zero regard for any of the peoples it enslaved. Thats not our theoretical enslavement, they really did roll into places like China and the Philippines and enslave them. If those innocent people that we dropped nukes on had said No don't do this to their own government we wouldn't have had to make our move. We had to convince the Japanese leadership that we had the biggest stick on the planet and they had two options: stop fighting and learn to place nice or die. Witness what happened afterward, we went from big bad bully with the stick to Japan's best friend. We rebuilt the place and set them up to bypass us in manufacturing prowess, then bought everything they made... Of course we apparently also taught them how to screw up the gravy train. -Curt Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 12:56:41 -0400 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Message-ID: caciok3thre-d6byj_etvj7rs-e4ufwuxdnkxtanchjmwhz2...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 my point is mainly that it is super suspicious that there is always this story of an evil power intent on taking over the world to enslave everyone unless we stop them. it is the stuff of pro wrestling and children's cartoons and it is nonsense. combine this with our missionary zeal to aggressively free those who are enslaved around the world and we have become one of the greatest menaces to human life and liberty in the history of the world. i read an article just the other day that cites 8 million dead since WWII at the hands of the USA war machine. , i think the american are finally starting to smarten up, albeit in small but growing numbers, that joining the syrian civil war is not actually going to serve to make the world safe for democracy american imperialism ought not be tolerated by the people and the warfare state needs to be dismantled. to much of the world, we are today that crazy enemy force and i believe our survival as a nation depends on people opposing our behaving in the manner that makes us such i'd like you to recognize that opposition to massacre of civilian populations as retribution for war crimes committed by unrelated members of the same nation is not an unreasonable position,. some of us do not support this and some of us will not murderous military adventures around the globe, both for moral and pragmatic reasons. i suggest instead that war is best avoided, even if you are the biggest kid on the block and can do the lion's share of the killing ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Actually we invaded Okinawa and the civilians had been so heavily propagandized to believe the USA would rape and murder every person they came upon that many threw themselves from cliffs -I think it was something over 1000 that did so. There is video showing people doing this and it is very disturbing. Also, the civilians in Japans - down to 6 year olds were being armed with sticks and grenades to use when the Americans arrived. They estimated the US would lose 1 million or more men with 2-3 times that many Japanese killed.The use of nuclear weapons saved many lives - millions actually. You are certainly right about Iwo Jima being a killing field for the US - the sand was like quicksand and the Japanese had pre-sighted all the landing areas so they had no trouble hitting American targets - also, the beach head was narrow as they had trouble moving off the beach so the US had a lot of soldiers in a small area which the Japanese shelled at will.I suspect the landing beaches on Japan itself would have been as bad or worse... LarryT On 9/9/2013 11:01 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: Chinese didn't seem so thrilled with Japanese occupation... I went to college with a girl whose Chinese born grandparents refused to sit in a Toyota 40 years later. On the subject of nuking Japanese cities, isn't it still commonly accepted that taking Japan and Okinawa inch by inch like giant versions of Iwo Jima would have been far bloodier than dropping a couple of low yield nukes? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mitch wrote: On the subject of nuking Japanese cities, isn't it still commonly accepted that taking Japan and Okinawa inch by inch like giant versions of Iwo Jima would have been far bloodier than dropping a couple of low yield nukes? And isn't any acceptance of any type of argument of this sort more wag the dog? i.e. divert the argument to a stance you think you can win. USA, no matter the argument for/against, has never been held to account as the lone country on the planet for use of this most terrible of terrible weapons. Go ahead, wag the dog again. btw, I can accept any of the posited wag the dog argument supporting Nagasake/Hiroshima, but... Standard banned closure, omitted. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I believe that was the contention at the time, and given the circumstances and experiences up to that point, seems like a valid conclusion. We have a friend who is Filipino that saw the Japanese rape and kill her mother and sister during their occupation of the Philippines during WW2. It goes without saying that she has very strong opinions about them as a people. Dan On Sep 9, 2013, at 11:05 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: Chinese didn't seem so thrilled with Japanese occupation... I went to college with a girl whose Chinese born grandparents refused to sit in a Toyota 40 years later. On the subject of nuking Japanese cities, isn't it still commonly accepted that taking Japan and Okinawa inch by inch like giant versions of Iwo Jima would have been far bloodier than dropping a couple of low yield nukes? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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and many are not so thrilled with USA occupation. you'd figure maybe this would give a 3rd party, say russia, the right to nuke baltimore? you'd be satisfied with that or do your principle only apply to other and not the USA? you don't address the point i make anyway. it is absolutely pointless to engage in this discussion as there is no actual discussion On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Chinese didn't seem so thrilled with Japanese occupation... -Curt Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 01:02:00 -0400 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Message-ID: caciok3v9asmmgnuz4hdunzpwu_fufmjo14phbodlkpnvds8...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i believe you started by expressing how deeply offensive you found the sentiment that japanese civilians ought not have been killed in large number by nuclear attack. hitler was already dead and your country undertook this in league with stalin. so what does talk of hitler and stalin have to do with this? is it just a matter of you liking to spout cliches to justify anything or are you genuinely this confused? and you fail to answer my question as to whether you seriously feel you'd have been enslaved today but for the nuking of japanese civilians? do you fear they'd force feed you sushi and would you not like it if they did? i'm going to sleep. should ali baba come enslave me overnight and i not be heard from again, please accept my apologies for doubting your wisdom and accept that i concede to your correct position ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Personally... I'm deeply troubled that the same folks who screamed Foul !! , and have continued to, over the invasion of Iraq after apparently no substantiated proof of weapons of mass destruction held and used by Saddam... are now withholding clear evidence there was chemical weapons used are now demanding we become the police agency for the world of bad actor nations. I'm further troubled that the pictures used by Sec of State John anti war in Vietnam Kerry in his press conference are quickly identified by the professional photographer who took them.. in Iraq, in 2003, and they were conveniently now claimed to be of Syrians and recent... I am particularly troubled that, by admission in that same press conference, Sec Kerry revealed the Saudi government offered to totally fund the overthrow of Syria leadership.. in effect, hiring our military for private use... vexing conflict of Constitutional use of military anyone? I am, however, joined by many others who smell something unclean about all this. Apparently, America is not quite as comatose as believed. The phone lines to congress are jammed.. people are marching in the streets... worldwide. Grant.. On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 6:37 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Now you're confusing your wars, you mean Hitler and Tojo. You left yourself open before, we used nukes against an aggressor country, thats fair game, the Japanese knew retribution was coming. Syria is a different ball of wax though I'm not completely convinced yet about who exactly unleashed the chemical weapons. Maybe I'm just jaded but I don't trust anything I see on television. Sure it looks like those people had been gassed but I can set that up in my backyard in 2 hours... -Curt Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 21:32:20 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Message-ID: CABHyH=bxl-hxwkqxqfikjpv7o_jhggqvrbjpyimaq23axvz...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: fortunately we were able to stop the kaiser from enslaving us, or, oh boy, think how stupid we'd be looking right now wearing those helmets with those points on them while living in a wurst eating servitude! be offended by anyone who might disagree with you. accuse them of trying to enslave you. feign the moral high ground and then kill, kill, kill! I have absolutely no problem claiming the moral high ground over Hitler and Stalin. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There are some theories that the chemical weapons were used by the terrorist / freedom fighters which they stole during an occupation of the current administrations military base. their intent was just what obama wants to do - have a super power help them win the rebellion... As far as what kerry says - IMO he has been discredited many times as saying whatever he thinks will forward his political career. When caught in a lie he changes his story. I also dislike seeing the US Military used when convenient. We passed on many massacres without explanation -- like the killing of many in Rwanda, Unfortunately our leaders are politicians who are just men - with all the weaknesses and it appears they have motives driven by personal agendas meant to make themselves more powerful and more wealthy. LarryT On 9/9/2013 11:33 AM, G Mann wrote: Personally... I'm deeply troubled that the same folks who screamed Foul !! , and have continued to, over the invasion of Iraq after apparently no substantiated proof of weapons of mass destruction held and used by Saddam... are now withholding clear evidence there was chemical weapons used are now demanding we become the police agency for the world of bad actor nations. I'm further troubled that the pictures used by Sec of State John anti war in Vietnam Kerry in his press conference are quickly identified by the professional photographer who took them.. in Iraq, in 2003, and they were conveniently now claimed to be of Syrians and recent... I am particularly troubled that, by admission in that same press conference, Sec Kerry revealed the Saudi government offered to totally fund the overthrow of Syria leadership.. in effect, hiring our military for private use... vexing conflict of Constitutional use of military anyone? I am, however, joined by many others who smell something unclean about all this. Apparently, America is not quite as comatose as believed. The phone lines to congress are jammed.. people are marching in the streets... worldwide. Grant.. On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 6:37 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Now you're confusing your wars, you mean Hitler and Tojo. You left yourself open before, we used nukes against an aggressor country, thats fair game, the Japanese knew retribution was coming. Syria is a different ball of wax though I'm not completely convinced yet about who exactly unleashed the chemical weapons. Maybe I'm just jaded but I don't trust anything I see on television. Sure it looks like those people had been gassed but I can set that up in my backyard in 2 hours... -Curt Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 21:32:20 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Message-ID: CABHyH=bxl-hxwkqxqfikjpv7o_jhggqvrbjpyimaq23axvz...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: fortunately we were able to stop the kaiser from enslaving us, or, oh boy, think how stupid we'd be looking right now wearing those helmets with those points on them while living in a wurst eating servitude! be offended by anyone who might disagree with you. accuse them of trying to enslave you. feign the moral high ground and then kill, kill, kill! I have absolutely no problem claiming the moral high ground over Hitler and Stalin. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i'm not really caught up on the particular issue, but rather on this whole messianic complex that we must constantly be liberating people from enslavement by evil forces trying to take over the world. it is stupid and mendacious and it has gotten me cynical about all war. as to the question of whether i can massacre civilians to reduce casualties between combatants, i'm inclined to say no but i'd really rather be addressing not fighting the war to begin with. by invading occupying places such as iraq and afghanistan, all you do, other than making certain select special interests richer, is spend a ton of money you don't have to enrage the locals against you and erode your credibility in the eyes of the world. the people who push for these programs justify them by using this nonsensical rhetoric and i'd like to cut them off right there! On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: What was the alternative? We saw how difficult it was to take Iwo Jima and other pacific islands. The Japanese weren't about to just stop and lay down their arms. We're talking about an Imperialist government that had proven it had zero regard for any of the peoples it enslaved. Thats not our theoretical enslavement, they really did roll into places like China and the Philippines and enslave them. If those innocent people that we dropped nukes on had said No don't do this to their own government we wouldn't have had to make our move. We had to convince the Japanese leadership that we had the biggest stick on the planet and they had two options: stop fighting and learn to place nice or die. Witness what happened afterward, we went from big bad bully with the stick to Japan's best friend. We rebuilt the place and set them up to bypass us in manufacturing prowess, then bought everything they made... Of course we apparently also taught them how to screw up the gravy train. -Curt Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 12:56:41 -0400 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Message-ID: caciok3thre-d6byj_etvj7rs-e4ufwuxdnkxtanchjmwhz2...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 my point is mainly that it is super suspicious that there is always this story of an evil power intent on taking over the world to enslave everyone unless we stop them. it is the stuff of pro wrestling and children's cartoons and it is nonsense. combine this with our missionary zeal to aggressively free those who are enslaved around the world and we have become one of the greatest menaces to human life and liberty in the history of the world. i read an article just the other day that cites 8 million dead since WWII at the hands of the USA war machine. , i think the american are finally starting to smarten up, albeit in small but growing numbers, that joining the syrian civil war is not actually going to serve to make the world safe for democracy american imperialism ought not be tolerated by the people and the warfare state needs to be dismantled. to much of the world, we are today that crazy enemy force and i believe our survival as a nation depends on people opposing our behaving in the manner that makes us such i'd like you to recognize that opposition to massacre of civilian populations as retribution for war crimes committed by unrelated members of the same nation is not an unreasonable position,. some of us do not support this and some of us will not murderous military adventures around the globe, both for moral and pragmatic reasons. i suggest instead that war is best avoided, even if you are the biggest kid on the block and can do the lion's share of the killing ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 08:33:48 -0700 G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Personally... I'm deeply troubled that the same folks who screamed Foul !! , and have continued to, over the invasion of Iraq after apparently no substantiated proof of weapons of mass destruction held and used by Saddam... are now withholding clear evidence there was chemical weapons used are now demanding we become the police agency for the world of bad actor nations. Yes, that is troubling. I'm further troubled that the pictures used by Sec of State John anti war in Vietnam Kerry in his press conference are quickly identified by the professional photographer who took them.. in Iraq, in 2003, and they were conveniently now claimed to be of Syrians and recent... I am particularly troubled that, by admission in that same press conference, Sec Kerry revealed the Saudi government offered to totally fund the overthrow of Syria leadership.. in effect, hiring our military for private use... vexing conflict of Constitutional use of military anyone? Why are the media not trumpeting all this all across our nation? Oh, yeah, we don't have a real media anymore, do we? I am, however, joined by many others who smell something unclean about all this. Apparently, America is not quite as comatose as believed. The phone lines to congress are jammed.. people are marching in the streets... worldwide. I called our Senators and Congressman earlier today and told them to vote No on action in Syria, that to do nothing is a moral option when doing anything would make a bad situation worse (taken from the Breakpoint email I posted). No problems getting through and took only a little time. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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my point is mainly that it is super suspicious that there is always this story of an evil power intent on taking over the world to enslave everyone unless we stop them. it is the stuff of pro wrestling and children's cartoons and it is nonsense. combine this with our missionary zeal to aggressively free those who are enslaved around the world and we have become one of the greatest menaces to human life and liberty in the history of the world. i read an article just the other day that cites 8 million dead since WWII at the hands of the USA war machine. , i think the american are finally starting to smarten up, albeit in small but growing numbers, that joining the syrian civil war is not actually going to serve to make the world safe for democracy american imperialism ought not be tolerated by the people and the warfare state needs to be dismantled. to much of the world, we are today that crazy enemy force and i believe our survival as a nation depends on people opposing our behaving in the manner that makes us such i'd like you to recognize that opposition to massacre of civilian populations as retribution for war crimes committed by unrelated members of the same nation is not an unreasonable position,. some of us do not support this and some of us will not murderous military adventures around the globe, both for moral and pragmatic reasons. i suggest instead that war is best avoided, even if you are the biggest kid on the block and can do the lion's share of the killing On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: So wait, whats your point again? You seemed to be suggesting that we had no real reason to stop the Japanese from taking over the world which was clearly their ambition in the '40s. I suggested that their heavy handed system of occupation was pretty clear in China, stuff like war prisoners buried alive, using dead bodies for bayonet practice, the use of comfort women, etc. This actually fits in with Craig's message earlier, the force used at Nagasaki and Hiroshima was massive but the Japanese had engaged in such a horrible war it was a justified use of force to stop a frankly crazy enemy force. Occupation is never a good thing but the US occupation of Japan can't in any way be compared with Japanese occupation of anywhere in any terms other than to say the US was as civilized as possible and the Japanese were horrible in general... -Curt Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 10:45:29 -0400 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Message-ID: CACioK3sDzSnmPj3Juza+_yufNuWfwxocJcrZ+GfhhsEY+kk=b...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 and many are not so thrilled with USA occupation. you'd figure maybe this would give a 3rd party, say russia, the right to nuke baltimore? you'd be satisfied with that or do your principle only apply to other and not the USA? you don't address the point i make anyway. it is absolutely pointless to engage in this discussion as there is no actual discussion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I find it really amusing how younger Americans who have never endured real hardship, never been in a third world country, and never served their country believe themselves qualified to judge decisions made in WWII. By comparison, the damage and death from the Fatman and Little Boy are mild in compared to the extensive fire bombing in Japan or Germany. In fact Nagasaki and Hiroshima were selected specifically because they were among the few undamaged cities in Japan. The military planners wanted to assess the damage caused by the nucs and that would have been impossible in most places which were already extensively damaged. Construction practices in Japan were particularly conducive to fires but the fire storms in Germany (like Dresden) were a new phenomenon. Oh, and my dad (who lived in a tent in China for three years) would never ride in a Japanese car either. He also wasn't fond of camping when we were kids. Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:01 AM ...On the subject of nuking Japanese cities, isn't it still commonly accepted that taking Japan and Okinawa inch by inch like giant versions of Iwo Jima would have been far bloodier than dropping a couple of low yield nukes? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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drfatty wrote: for now, i'm not believing any cries of necessary or just wars and am presuming all wars are a sham unless shown otherwise . as it stands now, i will oppose any present and future USA war as i feel i've been had too many times with this same silly story +1 mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Actually, that's exactly what we did using a mix of HE and phosphorous to ensure good combustion (kindling plus spark). -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 4:31 PM ... For us that meant the nukes. We could have carpet bombed housing complexes in Tokyo... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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We really need to understand that we may not understand other societies. The idea of pre WWII Japanese defying their Emperor was literally unthinkable. As mentioned in another post, this was a death before dishonor culture; they literally would have fought to the death (or killed themselves), soldier and civilian alike, before surrendering. Surrender was unthinkable which is why Japanese POWs were so docile: the unthinkable had happened. That's also what made the final surrender possible: the enemy (us) had developed an unthinkable weapon (nucs) which invalidated all the old assumptions. This begs the question: What do we know about the various Middle Eastern cultures? Are we making a mistake in thinking they view the world like we do? Certainly some of the folks there seem irrational to us. Does that mean they are nuts or does it mean we just don't understand their culture. I offer the example of the Falklands war. Both cultures were pretty similar. But the Britts could not believe that anyone would take part of their empire and not expect war. At the same time, the Argentineans could not believe anyone would come half-way across the world to fight over a chunk rock. Kinda reminds you of the run-up to WWI. -Original Message- Curt Raymond wrote on Monday, September 09, 2013 1:20 PM ... If those innocent people that we dropped nukes on had said No don't do this to their own government we wouldn't have had to make our move. We had to convince the Japanese leadership that we had the biggest stick on the planet ... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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But governments don't have memories. There always young whippersnappers in charge who they have all the answers and think, We're gonna do it right this time. Wilton - Original Message - From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Life teaches lessons.. War teaches lessons fast.. Same end result.. just add carnage and suffering.. The lesson taught and learned in both theaters in WW2 was Don't do this.. it was both well taught.. and well learned... to whit.. Germany is now our friend and makes good stuff.. Japan is now peaceful and our friend and makes good stuff.. we trade with both.. neither is plotting our overthrow, nor are we plotting theirs.. for the past 67 years... War is about winning.. Winning requires that the winner bring so much death, destruction, and hardship upon the opposition that they lose their will to fight. That happened in WW2 ... in two theaters.. WW2 was the last clean war with clear objectives and clear opponents... every conflict since then has been a political war with fuzzy definition of who the sides really were and why.. For our entire lifetimes we have only seen and been told fuzzy reasons to go to war... Wonder why we no longer have a strong moral public compass? I don't. Grant... On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Actually we invaded Okinawa and the civilians had been so heavily propagandized to believe the USA would rape and murder every person they came upon that many threw themselves from cliffs -I think it was something over 1000 that did so. There is video showing people doing this and it is very disturbing. Also, the civilians in Japans - down to 6 year olds were being armed with sticks and grenades to use when the Americans arrived. They estimated the US would lose 1 million or more men with 2-3 times that many Japanese killed.The use of nuclear weapons saved many lives - millions actually. You are certainly right about Iwo Jima being a killing field for the US - the sand was like quicksand and the Japanese had pre-sighted all the landing areas so they had no trouble hitting American targets - also, the beach head was narrow as they had trouble moving off the beach so the US had a lot of soldiers in a small area which the Japanese shelled at will. I suspect the landing beaches on Japan itself would have been as bad or worse... LarryT On 9/9/2013 11:01 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: Chinese didn't seem so thrilled with Japanese occupation... I went to college with a girl whose Chinese born grandparents refused to sit in a Toyota 40 years later. On the subject of nuking Japanese cities, isn't it still commonly accepted that taking Japan and Okinawa inch by inch like giant versions of Iwo Jima would have been far bloodier than dropping a couple of low yield nukes? Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think you are going off into left field there. There is a difference between responding to a personal attack (like Pearl Harbour) and feeling like you need to be policeman for the world and send your people half way around the world to intervene on behalf of a group that won't thank you for it in the long run. (Afghanistan) Randy On 09/09/2013 3:31 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: So you're suggesting when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor we should have just sat back and done nothing? I agree with you on Iraq and Afghanistan and I suspect we'd agree on Vietnam too but when you try to take the same ideal back into WWII your argument falls apart and you slip into grumbling old man territory. They're completely different sets of situations. In the first we decided we didn't like what was going on so we trumped up some reasons to go change things. In the latter we were attacked and responded. When it comes to war the only way to finish (I won't say win, I don't really think you ever win) is to be meaner and nastier and than the other guy. For us that meant the nukes. We could have carpet bombed housing complexes in Tokyo, in fact thats probably what we'd have ended up doing otherwise. -Curt Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 13:34:51 -0400 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Message-ID: CACioK3t4=og+z9fifnrggg5so0e91osu2fm2hkd1zya--cx...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i'm not really caught up on the particular issue, but rather on this whole messianic complex that we must constantly be liberating people from enslavement by evil forces trying to take over the world. it is stupid and mendacious and it has gotten me cynical about all war. as to the question of whether i can massacre civilians to reduce casualties between combatants, i'm inclined to say no but i'd really rather be addressing not fighting the war to begin with. by invading occupying places such as iraq and afghanistan, all you do, other than making certain select special interests richer, is spend a ton of money you don't have to enrage the locals against you and erode your credibility in the eyes of the world. the people who push for these programs justify them by using this nonsensical rhetoric and i'd like to cut them off right there! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 09/09/2013 3:22 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote: Oh, and my dad (who lived in a tent in China for three years) would never ride in a Japanese car either. He also wasn't fond of camping when we were kids. Scott It is interesting that we have so forgiven the Germans and Japanese. Churchill would be proud. He was very anxious to avoid the issues from WWI that he felt contributed to WWII. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Life teaches lessons.. War teaches lessons fast.. Same end result.. just add carnage and suffering.. The lesson taught and learned in both theaters in WW2 was Don't do this.. it was both well taught.. and well learned... to whit.. Germany is now our friend and makes good stuff.. Japan is now peaceful and our friend and makes good stuff.. we trade with both.. neither is plotting our overthrow, nor are we plotting theirs.. for the past 67 years... War is about winning.. Winning requires that the winner bring so much death, destruction, and hardship upon the opposition that they lose their will to fight. That happened in WW2 ... in two theaters.. WW2 was the last clean war with clear objectives and clear opponents... every conflict since then has been a political war with fuzzy definition of who the sides really were and why.. For our entire lifetimes we have only seen and been told fuzzy reasons to go to war... Wonder why we no longer have a strong moral public compass? I don't. Grant... On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Actually we invaded Okinawa and the civilians had been so heavily propagandized to believe the USA would rape and murder every person they came upon that many threw themselves from cliffs -I think it was something over 1000 that did so. There is video showing people doing this and it is very disturbing. Also, the civilians in Japans - down to 6 year olds were being armed with sticks and grenades to use when the Americans arrived. They estimated the US would lose 1 million or more men with 2-3 times that many Japanese killed.The use of nuclear weapons saved many lives - millions actually. You are certainly right about Iwo Jima being a killing field for the US - the sand was like quicksand and the Japanese had pre-sighted all the landing areas so they had no trouble hitting American targets - also, the beach head was narrow as they had trouble moving off the beach so the US had a lot of soldiers in a small area which the Japanese shelled at will. I suspect the landing beaches on Japan itself would have been as bad or worse... LarryT On 9/9/2013 11:01 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: Chinese didn't seem so thrilled with Japanese occupation... I went to college with a girl whose Chinese born grandparents refused to sit in a Toyota 40 years later. On the subject of nuking Japanese cities, isn't it still commonly accepted that taking Japan and Okinawa inch by inch like giant versions of Iwo Jima would have been far bloodier than dropping a couple of low yield nukes? Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Strange times. I was shocked when Kerry was saying things like we can infer clear evidence. If its clear evidence we don't have to infer anything... Or This video is all we need to see which is one of the single stupidest lines I've ever heard. I was against going into Iraq, at the time I said we'd be there for 10 years and I was wrong but only in that I didn't think it would be as bad as it has been. I'm against going into Syria or giving any support one way or the other because I can't determine who the good guys are... -Curt Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 08:33:48 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Message-ID: CANTuLYgeepUKsT3sYMDLUW-s4EbEXMEVpUMNkL0Vnkuvh=v...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Personally... I'm deeply troubled that the same folks who screamed Foul !! , and have continued to, over the invasion of Iraq after apparently no substantiated proof of weapons of mass destruction held and used by Saddam... are now withholding clear evidence there was chemical weapons used are now demanding we become the police agency for the world of bad actor nations. I'm further troubled that the pictures used by Sec of State John anti war in Vietnam Kerry in his press conference are quickly identified by the professional photographer who took them.. in Iraq, in 2003, and they were conveniently now claimed to be of Syrians and recent... I am particularly troubled that, by admission in that same press conference, Sec Kerry revealed the Saudi government offered to totally fund the overthrow of Syria leadership.. in effect, hiring our military for private use... vexing conflict of Constitutional use of military anyone? I am, however, joined by many others who smell something unclean about all this. Apparently, America is not quite as comatose as believed. The phone lines to congress are jammed.. people are marching in the streets... worldwide. Grant.. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So you're suggesting when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor we should have just sat back and done nothing? I agree with you on Iraq and Afghanistan and I suspect we'd agree on Vietnam too but when you try to take the same ideal back into WWII your argument falls apart and you slip into grumbling old man territory. They're completely different sets of situations. In the first we decided we didn't like what was going on so we trumped up some reasons to go change things. In the latter we were attacked and responded. When it comes to war the only way to finish (I won't say win, I don't really think you ever win) is to be meaner and nastier and than the other guy. For us that meant the nukes. We could have carpet bombed housing complexes in Tokyo, in fact thats probably what we'd have ended up doing otherwise. -Curt Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 13:34:51 -0400 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Message-ID: CACioK3t4=og+z9fifnrggg5so0e91osu2fm2hkd1zya--cx...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i'm not really caught up on the particular issue, but rather on this whole messianic complex that we must constantly be liberating people from enslavement by evil forces trying to take over the world. it is stupid and mendacious and it has gotten me cynical about all war. as to the question of whether i can massacre civilians to reduce casualties between combatants, i'm inclined to say no but i'd really rather be addressing not fighting the war to begin with. by invading occupying places such as iraq and afghanistan, all you do, other than making certain select special interests richer, is spend a ton of money you don't have to enrage the locals against you and erode your credibility in the eyes of the world. the people who push for these programs justify them by using this nonsensical rhetoric and i'd like to cut them off right there! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i'm suggesting you aren't listening and are conducting a monologue. i haven't spoken of pearl harbor. i am talking about making everyone we disagree with in any way the ultimate enemy who seeks to enslave he world and that was must stop them and save the world. it is stupid, childish and destructive and to ascribe noble motivations to it is just bizarre. the perpetual war machine is a lie and i am expressing my opposition to it. maybe it's like the boy who cried wolf. stop telling the same stupid story as a lie as it might just turn out that someday it might be true. for now, i'm not believing any cries of necessary or just wars and am presuming all wars are a sham unless shown otherwise . as it stands now, i will oppose any present and future USA war as i feel i've been had too many times with this same silly story On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: So you're suggesting when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor we should have just sat back and done nothing? I agree with you on Iraq and Afghanistan and I suspect we'd agree on Vietnam too but when you try to take the same ideal back into WWII your argument falls apart and you slip into grumbling old man territory. They're completely different sets of situations. In the first we decided we didn't like what was going on so we trumped up some reasons to go change things. In the latter we were attacked and responded. When it comes to war the only way to finish (I won't say win, I don't really think you ever win) is to be meaner and nastier and than the other guy. For us that meant the nukes. We could have carpet bombed housing complexes in Tokyo, in fact thats probably what we'd have ended up doing otherwise. -Curt Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 13:34:51 -0400 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Message-ID: CACioK3t4=og+z9fifnrggg5so0e91osu2fm2hkd1zya--cx...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i'm not really caught up on the particular issue, but rather on this whole messianic complex that we must constantly be liberating people from enslavement by evil forces trying to take over the world. it is stupid and mendacious and it has gotten me cynical about all war. as to the question of whether i can massacre civilians to reduce casualties between combatants, i'm inclined to say no but i'd really rather be addressing not fighting the war to begin with. by invading occupying places such as iraq and afghanistan, all you do, other than making certain select special interests richer, is spend a ton of money you don't have to enrage the locals against you and erode your credibility in the eyes of the world. the people who push for these programs justify them by using this nonsensical rhetoric and i'd like to cut them off right there! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I don't know about all the aspects and don't really care, but I do know that if you go trash talking about serious matters you had better be prepared to back up your trash talk (in all aspects). Especially if you are president (if indeed you really care about the country and it's standing, etc.). I'm thinking this would be the best way to do it, fully adjustable for the pin-prick isolated site disruption, or large-scale urban renewal, for when your mouth is writing checks the UN (or anyone else) will not cash: http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Weapons/W80.html Don't stay on the porch barking, either run with the big dogs or STFU. That goes for your lesser pack members. Option 1 is what will get the attention of the savages who are now in their 14th century of mutual smitation, and perhaps a bit of respect. Anything else, might as well stay on the porch and STFU. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So wait, whats your point again? You seemed to be suggesting that we had no real reason to stop the Japanese from taking over the world which was clearly their ambition in the '40s. I suggested that their heavy handed system of occupation was pretty clear in China, stuff like war prisoners buried alive, using dead bodies for bayonet practice, the use of comfort women, etc. This actually fits in with Craig's message earlier, the force used at Nagasaki and Hiroshima was massive but the Japanese had engaged in such a horrible war it was a justified use of force to stop a frankly crazy enemy force. Occupation is never a good thing but the US occupation of Japan can't in any way be compared with Japanese occupation of anywhere in any terms other than to say the US was as civilized as possible and the Japanese were horrible in general... -Curt Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 10:45:29 -0400 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Message-ID: CACioK3sDzSnmPj3Juza+_yufNuWfwxocJcrZ+GfhhsEY+kk=b...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 and many are not so thrilled with USA occupation. you'd figure maybe this would give a 3rd party, say russia, the right to nuke baltimore? you'd be satisfied with that or do your principle only apply to other and not the USA? you don't address the point i make anyway. it is absolutely pointless to engage in this discussion as there is no actual discussion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Scott Ritchey wrote: Oh, and my dad (who lived in a tent in China for three years) would never ride in a Japanese car either. He also wasn't fond of camping when we were kids. My dad spent a few months in a tent in Morocco, where dinner was said to be cold cheese sammiches and cooked rice every single night. He'll eat a grilled cheese sammich, but has not eaten rice in 60 years. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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it's possible i commingled 2 conversations. i do remember mentioning goering's preference for the model 10. wilton could clear this up by telling us what he trained on and what he carried or something like that i have the model 19 rusty's father in law killed himself with. the family was going to just let it get smelted so i suggest it might be better to just sign it over to me On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I think Wilton later said it probably had a 4 inch barrel, maybe a model 10. That's what I trained on in 1968. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 10:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling he made claim that he was issued a small frame shot barrel revolver. from his description it would be a J frame with a 2 or shorter barrel. maybe he was issued a 4 inch barrel K frame. so we are talking about different guns as for shooting your way out surrounded by your highly armed enemy, i don't think it's going to matter a while hill of beans whether you are toting a 1911 or a k frame revolver. neither will get you out and both leave you relatively unarmed however, if you were telling me we were going to have a gun fight and offered for me to choose my weapon i'd pick the 1911 and let you have the revolver every time. i am unclear on why the air force chose to issue revolvers as well On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:39 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: We may be talking apples and oranges.. or we may be talking only apples.. Apparently.. crew issue sidearms were at the discretion of the armory at the departing base. Some flight crews were issued S W, K frame/4 inch barrel/6 round revolvers.. which was authorized issue. Others had access to the more desired Colt 1911 which were, sometimes available... Other crews were permitted to arm themselves with personally owned weapons.. at the discretion of the commanding officer.. most likely.. Rank, after all.. has it's privilege, and Flight Officers did what they did. In Wilton's case.. what ever happened happened.. I recall being issued the standard SW K frame.. and feeling seriously unarmed for the theater of operation. On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: that is a different gun than wilton describes he was issued. are you saying he is confused or are you discussing a completely different subject than i am? or am i confused at to wilton's claims? On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:13 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-271423.html K frame.. 4 inch barrel... early issue aluminum cylinders were drawn back due to issues.. 6 round cylinders... very little firepower when you are hanging from shroud lines after punching out from a SAM damaged F4 and your LZ is populated with black pajamas and AK's and SKS's with bayonets. Jolly Green.. where are you? Grant... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: says 1950 on this ladysize. i don't think there are any ladysize with 6 shots http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_36 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Back in the day.. circa.. 1967.. Vietnam... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: by back in the day, you are talking about 18 hundred and what? the gun wilton describes having been issued should have had 5 bullets. when do you fancy the lady sized was first made? On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time flys] G I issue was 6 round, 4 inch barrel. The 5 shot ladies size revolvers had not been produced .. yet.. Now.. with the new military rules of engagement.. I suppose the Nuke Command officers are sent out with a fresh tube of lipstick and one of butt lube.. in case they are captured.. wrapped in a white flag. Grant.. Late for my Kum byyy Yaaah drum cricle.. gotta run... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to weigh in on this discussion. To wit: More than once, within the past decade, the US
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Thanks, Grant. Wilton - Original Message - From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-271423.html K frame.. 4 inch barrel... early issue aluminum cylinders were drawn back due to issues.. 6 round cylinders... very little firepower when you are hanging from shroud lines after punching out from a SAM damaged F4 and your LZ is populated with black pajamas and AK's and SKS's with bayonets. Jolly Green.. where are you? Grant... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: says 1950 on this ladysize. i don't think there are any ladysize with 6 shots http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_36 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Back in the day.. circa.. 1967.. Vietnam... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: by back in the day, you are talking about 18 hundred and what? the gun wilton describes having been issued should have had 5 bullets. when do you fancy the lady sized was first made? On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time flys] G I issue was 6 round, 4 inch barrel. The 5 shot ladies size revolvers had not been produced .. yet.. Now.. with the new military rules of engagement.. I suppose the Nuke Command officers are sent out with a fresh tube of lipstick and one of butt lube.. in case they are captured.. wrapped in a white flag. Grant.. Late for my Kum byyy Yaaah drum cricle.. gotta run... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to weigh in on this discussion. To wit: More than once, within the past decade, the US Supreme Court has ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to protect citizens. The only duty a policeman has is to protect himself. As stunning as this may be... it is the foundational basis for police to be armed.. to protect themselves, ONLY. We, the citizen, are on our own. [Sorry Andrew, bad news, I know]. Police do not stop crime. They report crime. Then consume great amounts of time and money chasing those who do crime... sort of.. to gather evidence which may or may not meet the burden of proof at trial to prove a crime was committed. If we indeed had a war on crime as we are told we do.. the body count would be much higher... and police officers would be much better at weapons handling. Some are.. many are not, as stated here. Grant... Who was always amazed at the military who gave command pilots nukes then armed them with 6 shot, short barrel .38 revolvers for personal protection when they ejected over hostile country... and always believed the crash axe was a better choice... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: All of this serves to highlight the wide-spread misunderstanding of the real nature of most police work, a misunderstanding largely fostered by the entertainment media. There are some well-trained and highly competent tactical police units but most police work is administrative information processing and a systematic showing of the flag. Not a criticism, that's just how it works. One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says it's dangerous for well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed police are safe. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 3:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Local cop is in trouble because the hooker he was chasing after would not stop. She spun around, he could not tell what was going on, so he drew his service weapon. While it exited his holster, it went off and shot her in the leg. He needs some gun control clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman
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I don't remember the details of the .38 we B-52 crewmen were issued; I'm no firearms expert and I never fondled the gun/weapon to study it in detail. It stayed it the holster ALL of the time, 'cept when clearing it upon receipt and return. I knew how to use it if necessary and, obviously, for qualification. It was a .38 S W with a short barrel - how short, I don't remember. I think it had 6 shots. I didn't care about the details of it 30 to 50 years ago, and I still don't. I knew all of the intimate details of the nuclear weapons and/or conventional weapons (as appropriate) in our huge bomb bay and how to use them, but I had very little interest in the details of .38 cal S W. Also had 3 crash axes in the cabin and a .22 cal (long rifle shells) fold-up survival rife in every seat pack survival kit on the airplane. 'Don't remember a lot of the details of those, either, but I knew how to use 'em. Wilton - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling that is a different gun than wilton describes he was issued. are you saying he is confused or are you discussing a completely different subject than i am? or am i confused at to wilton's claims? On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:13 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-271423.html K frame.. 4 inch barrel... early issue aluminum cylinders were drawn back due to issues.. 6 round cylinders... very little firepower when you are hanging from shroud lines after punching out from a SAM damaged F4 and your LZ is populated with black pajamas and AK's and SKS's with bayonets. Jolly Green.. where are you? Grant... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: says 1950 on this ladysize. i don't think there are any ladysize with 6 shots http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_36 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Back in the day.. circa.. 1967.. Vietnam... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: by back in the day, you are talking about 18 hundred and what? the gun wilton describes having been issued should have had 5 bullets. when do you fancy the lady sized was first made? On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time flys] G I issue was 6 round, 4 inch barrel. The 5 shot ladies size revolvers had not been produced .. yet.. Now.. with the new military rules of engagement.. I suppose the Nuke Command officers are sent out with a fresh tube of lipstick and one of butt lube.. in case they are captured.. wrapped in a white flag. Grant.. Late for my Kum byyy Yaaah drum cricle.. gotta run... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to weigh in on this discussion. To wit: More than once, within the past decade, the US Supreme Court has ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to protect citizens. The only duty a policeman has is to protect himself. As stunning as this may be... it is the foundational basis for police to be armed.. to protect themselves, ONLY. We, the citizen, are on our own. [Sorry Andrew, bad news, I know]. Police do not stop crime. They report crime. Then consume great amounts of time and money chasing those who do crime... sort of.. to gather evidence which may or may not meet the burden of proof at trial to prove a crime was committed. If we indeed had a war on crime as we are told we do.. the body count would be much higher... and police officers would be much better at weapons handling. Some are.. many are not, as stated here. Grant... Who was always amazed at the military who gave command pilots nukes then armed them with 6 shot, short barrel .38 revolvers for personal protection when they ejected over hostile country... and always believed the crash axe was a better choice... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: All of this serves to highlight the wide-spread misunderstanding of the real nature of most police work, a misunderstanding largely fostered by the entertainment media. There are some well-trained and highly
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Bet you could have one heck of a weekend in Vegas with those survival kits! Dan Call me Buck Sent from my iPad On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:30 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I don't remember the details of the .38 we B-52 crewmen were issued; I'm no firearms expert and I never fondled the gun/weapon to study it in detail. It stayed it the holster ALL of the time, 'cept when clearing it upon receipt and return. I knew how to use it if necessary and, obviously, for qualification. It was a .38 S W with a short barrel - how short, I don't remember. I think it had 6 shots. I didn't care about the details of it 30 to 50 years ago, and I still don't. I knew all of the intimate details of the nuclear weapons and/or conventional weapons (as appropriate) in our huge bomb bay and how to use them, but I had very little interest in the details of .38 cal S W. Also had 3 crash axes in the cabin and a .22 cal (long rifle shells) fold-up survival rife in every seat pack survival kit on the airplane. 'Don't remember a lot of the details of those, either, but I knew how to use 'em. Wilton - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling that is a different gun than wilton describes he was issued. are you saying he is confused or are you discussing a completely different subject than i am? or am i confused at to wilton's claims? On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:13 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-271423.html K frame.. 4 inch barrel... early issue aluminum cylinders were drawn back due to issues.. 6 round cylinders... very little firepower when you are hanging from shroud lines after punching out from a SAM damaged F4 and your LZ is populated with black pajamas and AK's and SKS's with bayonets. Jolly Green.. where are you? Grant... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: says 1950 on this ladysize. i don't think there are any ladysize with 6 shots http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_36 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Back in the day.. circa.. 1967.. Vietnam... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: by back in the day, you are talking about 18 hundred and what? the gun wilton describes having been issued should have had 5 bullets. when do you fancy the lady sized was first made? On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time flys] G I issue was 6 round, 4 inch barrel. The 5 shot ladies size revolvers had not been produced .. yet.. Now.. with the new military rules of engagement.. I suppose the Nuke Command officers are sent out with a fresh tube of lipstick and one of butt lube.. in case they are captured.. wrapped in a white flag. Grant.. Late for my Kum byyy Yaaah drum cricle.. gotta run... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to weigh in on this discussion. To wit: More than once, within the past decade, the US Supreme Court has ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to protect citizens. The only duty a policeman has is to protect himself. As stunning as this may be... it is the foundational basis for police to be armed.. to protect themselves, ONLY. We, the citizen, are on our own. [Sorry Andrew, bad news, I know]. Police do not stop crime. They report crime. Then consume great amounts of time and money chasing those who do crime... sort of.. to gather evidence which may or may not meet the burden of proof at trial to prove a crime was committed. If we indeed had a war on crime as we are told we do.. the body count would be much higher... and police officers would be much better at weapons handling. Some are.. many are not, as stated here. Grant... Who was always amazed at the military who gave command pilots nukes then armed them with 6 shot, short barrel .38 revolvers for personal protection when they ejected over hostile country... and always believed the crash axe was a better choice... On Sat, Sep
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Yep, many different types of things in the kits, including some items that most people would not imagine the need for in a survival situation. I'm sure some of my cohorts could put 'em to good use in Vegas, or their braggadocio afterward would try to make you think they did, anyway.;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Bet you could have one heck of a weekend in Vegas with those survival kits! Dan Call me Buck Sent from my iPad On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:30 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I don't remember the details of the .38 we B-52 crewmen were issued; I'm no firearms expert and I never fondled the gun/weapon to study it in detail. It stayed it the holster ALL of the time, 'cept when clearing it upon receipt and return. I knew how to use it if necessary and, obviously, for qualification. It was a .38 S W with a short barrel - how short, I don't remember. I think it had 6 shots. I didn't care about the details of it 30 to 50 years ago, and I still don't. I knew all of the intimate details of the nuclear weapons and/or conventional weapons (as appropriate) in our huge bomb bay and how to use them, but I had very little interest in the details of .38 cal S W. Also had 3 crash axes in the cabin and a .22 cal (long rifle shells) fold-up survival rife in every seat pack survival kit on the airplane. 'Don't remember a lot of the details of those, either, but I knew how to use 'em. Wilton - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling that is a different gun than wilton describes he was issued. are you saying he is confused or are you discussing a completely different subject than i am? or am i confused at to wilton's claims? On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:13 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-271423.html K frame.. 4 inch barrel... early issue aluminum cylinders were drawn back due to issues.. 6 round cylinders... very little firepower when you are hanging from shroud lines after punching out from a SAM damaged F4 and your LZ is populated with black pajamas and AK's and SKS's with bayonets. Jolly Green.. where are you? Grant... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: says 1950 on this ladysize. i don't think there are any ladysize with 6 shots http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_36 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Back in the day.. circa.. 1967.. Vietnam... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: by back in the day, you are talking about 18 hundred and what? the gun wilton describes having been issued should have had 5 bullets. when do you fancy the lady sized was first made? On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time flys] G I issue was 6 round, 4 inch barrel. The 5 shot ladies size revolvers had not been produced .. yet.. Now.. with the new military rules of engagement.. I suppose the Nuke Command officers are sent out with a fresh tube of lipstick and one of butt lube.. in case they are captured.. wrapped in a white flag. Grant.. Late for my Kum byyy Yaaah drum cricle.. gotta run... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to weigh in on this discussion. To wit: More than once, within the past decade, the US Supreme Court has ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to protect citizens. The only duty a policeman has is to protect himself. As stunning as this may be... it is the foundational basis for police to be armed.. to protect themselves, ONLY. We, the citizen, are on our own. [Sorry Andrew, bad news, I know]. Police do not stop crime. They report crime. Then consume great amounts of time and money chasing those who do crime... sort of.. to gather evidence which may or may not meet the burden of proof at trial to prove a crime was committed. If we indeed had a war on crime as we are told we do.. the body count would be much higher... and police officers would be much
Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rotting etc but OIL needs to be discussed
It's hard to go wrong with Delo 15w-40 although I like 5w-40 for winter. Made the block heater on my B-series not at all necessary. On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 11:10 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: The winter duty involves finding that one dry week and bundling up well so I can do a top down, cobweb cleaner ride to move fuel through things, make sure nothing has taken root inside and I can put fresh gas in the tank clay On Sep 5, 2013, at 7:13 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: I use Delo 15W-40 in everything. SL's, dodge, lawn mower, etc. Doubt your SL needs lighter oil for winter duty. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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WILTON wrote: Also had 3 crash axes in the cabin and a .22 cal (long rifle shells) fold-up survival rife in every seat pack survival kit on the airplane. 'Don't remember a lot of the details of those, either, but I knew how to use 'em. Was the .22 an AR-7? http://10mmman.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/ar7.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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'Don't thinks so; don't remember a stock like that; it was some sort of an open steel or aluminum rod stock that could slide and/or clip into place. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling WILTON wrote: Also had 3 crash axes in the cabin and a .22 cal (long rifle shells) fold-up survival rife in every seat pack survival kit on the airplane. 'Don't remember a lot of the details of those, either, but I knew how to use 'em. Was the .22 an AR-7? http://10mmman.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/ar7.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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WILTON wrote: 'Don't thinks so; don't remember a stock like that; it was some sort of an open steel or aluminum rod stock that could slide and/or clip into place. Doesn't sound like an M6 (.22/.410) either, then. http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6f=2t=376014 How about the M4 in .22 Hornet? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_Survival_Rifle ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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M4, maybe. 'Had to be short enough to fit into seat pack, between my butt and the bottom of the ejection seat. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling WILTON wrote: 'Don't thinks so; don't remember a stock like that; it was some sort of an open steel or aluminum rod stock that could slide and/or clip into place. Doesn't sound like an M6 (.22/.410) either, then. http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6f=2t=376014 How about the M4 in .22 Hornet? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_Survival_Rifle ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Vegas survival kit' Big bag full of cash... spare keys to your nice car, credit cards. Little bag with a change of socks and underwear and a bus ticket home... and a snickers bar. When the big bag is empty and at the pawn shop.. pick up little bag and come home... if you didn't hock it also.. What you bring to Vegas... stays in Vegas... It is written... Grant... On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Bet you could have one heck of a weekend in Vegas with those survival kits! Dan Call me Buck Sent from my iPad On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:30 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I don't remember the details of the .38 we B-52 crewmen were issued; I'm no firearms expert and I never fondled the gun/weapon to study it in detail. It stayed it the holster ALL of the time, 'cept when clearing it upon receipt and return. I knew how to use it if necessary and, obviously, for qualification. It was a .38 S W with a short barrel - how short, I don't remember. I think it had 6 shots. I didn't care about the details of it 30 to 50 years ago, and I still don't. I knew all of the intimate details of the nuclear weapons and/or conventional weapons (as appropriate) in our huge bomb bay and how to use them, but I had very little interest in the details of .38 cal S W. Also had 3 crash axes in the cabin and a .22 cal (long rifle shells) fold-up survival rife in every seat pack survival kit on the airplane. 'Don't remember a lot of the details of those, either, but I knew how to use 'em. Wilton - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling that is a different gun than wilton describes he was issued. are you saying he is confused or are you discussing a completely different subject than i am? or am i confused at to wilton's claims? On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:13 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-271423.html K frame.. 4 inch barrel... early issue aluminum cylinders were drawn back due to issues.. 6 round cylinders... very little firepower when you are hanging from shroud lines after punching out from a SAM damaged F4 and your LZ is populated with black pajamas and AK's and SKS's with bayonets. Jolly Green.. where are you? Grant... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: says 1950 on this ladysize. i don't think there are any ladysize with 6 shots http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_36 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Back in the day.. circa.. 1967.. Vietnam... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: by back in the day, you are talking about 18 hundred and what? the gun wilton describes having been issued should have had 5 bullets. when do you fancy the lady sized was first made? On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time flys] G I issue was 6 round, 4 inch barrel. The 5 shot ladies size revolvers had not been produced .. yet.. Now.. with the new military rules of engagement.. I suppose the Nuke Command officers are sent out with a fresh tube of lipstick and one of butt lube.. in case they are captured.. wrapped in a white flag. Grant.. Late for my Kum byyy Yaaah drum cricle.. gotta run... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to weigh in on this discussion. To wit: More than once, within the past decade, the US Supreme Court has ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to protect citizens. The only duty a policeman has is to protect himself. As stunning as this may be... it is the foundational basis for police to be armed.. to protect themselves, ONLY. We, the citizen, are on our own. [Sorry Andrew, bad news, I know]. Police do not stop crime. They report crime. Then consume great amounts of time and money chasing those who do crime... sort of.. to gather evidence which may or may not meet the burden of proof at trial to prove a crime was committed. If we indeed had a war on crime as we are told we do
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I was paraphrasing from a quote in Dr. Strangelove that Slim Pickens (as Major T.J. Kong, pilot of the B-52) makes as they are beginning their bomb run and inventorying their survival kits. The original line referenced Dallas, TX, but since the movie was released shortly after President Kennedy was assassinated they changed it to Las Vegas. Dan On Sep 8, 2013, at 5:23 PM, G Mann wrote: Vegas survival kit' Big bag full of cash... spare keys to your nice car, credit cards. Little bag with a change of socks and underwear and a bus ticket home... and a snickers bar. When the big bag is empty and at the pawn shop.. pick up little bag and come home... if you didn't hock it also.. What you bring to Vegas... stays in Vegas... It is written... Grant... On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Bet you could have one heck of a weekend in Vegas with those survival kits! Dan Call me Buck Sent from my iPad On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:30 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I don't remember the details of the .38 we B-52 crewmen were issued; I'm no firearms expert and I never fondled the gun/weapon to study it in detail. It stayed it the holster ALL of the time, 'cept when clearing it upon receipt and return. I knew how to use it if necessary and, obviously, for qualification. It was a .38 S W with a short barrel - how short, I don't remember. I think it had 6 shots. I didn't care about the details of it 30 to 50 years ago, and I still don't. I knew all of the intimate details of the nuclear weapons and/or conventional weapons (as appropriate) in our huge bomb bay and how to use them, but I had very little interest in the details of .38 cal S W. Also had 3 crash axes in the cabin and a .22 cal (long rifle shells) fold-up survival rife in every seat pack survival kit on the airplane. 'Don't remember a lot of the details of those, either, but I knew how to use 'em. Wilton - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling that is a different gun than wilton describes he was issued. are you saying he is confused or are you discussing a completely different subject than i am? or am i confused at to wilton's claims? On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:13 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-271423.html K frame.. 4 inch barrel... early issue aluminum cylinders were drawn back due to issues.. 6 round cylinders... very little firepower when you are hanging from shroud lines after punching out from a SAM damaged F4 and your LZ is populated with black pajamas and AK's and SKS's with bayonets. Jolly Green.. where are you? Grant... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: says 1950 on this ladysize. i don't think there are any ladysize with 6 shots http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_36 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Back in the day.. circa.. 1967.. Vietnam... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: by back in the day, you are talking about 18 hundred and what? the gun wilton describes having been issued should have had 5 bullets. when do you fancy the lady sized was first made? On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time flys] G I issue was 6 round, 4 inch barrel. The 5 shot ladies size revolvers had not been produced .. yet.. Now.. with the new military rules of engagement.. I suppose the Nuke Command officers are sent out with a fresh tube of lipstick and one of butt lube.. in case they are captured.. wrapped in a white flag. Grant.. Late for my Kum byyy Yaaah drum cricle.. gotta run... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to weigh in on this discussion. To wit: More than once, within the past decade, the US Supreme Court has ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to protect citizens. The only duty a policeman has is to protect himself. As stunning as this may be... it is the foundational basis for police to be armed.. to protect themselves, ONLY. We, the citizen, are on our own. [Sorry Andrew, bad news, I know]. Police do not stop crime. They report crime. Then consume great amounts of time and money chasing those who do crime... sort of.. to gather evidence which may or may not meet the burden of proof at trial to prove a crime was committed. If we indeed
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Vegas never had me, but they really lost me for good when the hotel a few years ago when I was there for a military reunion made me hobble painfully and precariously, picking my way through, amongst and though many slot machines and card games across a HUGE room to get to the check-in desk on the far, back side of the room from the entry. 'Made us wait another 3 hours or so 'til 3 PM before we could go to our room. Then, guys at the service desk told SWMBO for 2 days that they didn't have wheelchairs for guests, though we saw several with hotel logo/name on 'em. When SWMBO asked again en route to breakfast on third day, service guy told her to ask at the security desk by the restaurant. When SWMBO asked at security desk, security guy was incredulous, He told you WHAT!? You stop by here after breakfast; I'll get you a wheelchair. We did, and he did. 'Used it for next coupla days; 'never registered to pay the supposed required rent on it and left it outside front door when we left by taxi at 4 or 5 AM. I made damned sure I didn't drop a coin or bill of any sort in a slot machine or card game. I won't be back. BTW, I'd been to Vegas several times before, so I was not some naive, country hick shocked by it all. They can go to etc. BTW, in 1961/62, we lived in Rancho Cordova, CA, near Hwy 50 between Sacramento and Tahoe/State Line. Local saying was, Lotsa people headed up the mountain on Friday afternoon on $4000 Cadillacs returned Sunday evening on $4 buses. Wilton - Original Message - From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Vegas survival kit' Big bag full of cash... spare keys to your nice car, credit cards. Little bag with a change of socks and underwear and a bus ticket home... and a snickers bar. When the big bag is empty and at the pawn shop.. pick up little bag and come home... if you didn't hock it also.. What you bring to Vegas... stays in Vegas... It is written... Grant... On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Bet you could have one heck of a weekend in Vegas with those survival kits! Dan Call me Buck Sent from my iPad On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:30 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I don't remember the details of the .38 we B-52 crewmen were issued; I'm no firearms expert and I never fondled the gun/weapon to study it in detail. It stayed it the holster ALL of the time, 'cept when clearing it upon receipt and return. I knew how to use it if necessary and, obviously, for qualification. It was a .38 S W with a short barrel - how short, I don't remember. I think it had 6 shots. I didn't care about the details of it 30 to 50 years ago, and I still don't. I knew all of the intimate details of the nuclear weapons and/or conventional weapons (as appropriate) in our huge bomb bay and how to use them, but I had very little interest in the details of .38 cal S W. Also had 3 crash axes in the cabin and a .22 cal (long rifle shells) fold-up survival rife in every seat pack survival kit on the airplane. 'Don't remember a lot of the details of those, either, but I knew how to use 'em. Wilton - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling that is a different gun than wilton describes he was issued. are you saying he is confused or are you discussing a completely different subject than i am? or am i confused at to wilton's claims? On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:13 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-271423.html K frame.. 4 inch barrel... early issue aluminum cylinders were drawn back due to issues.. 6 round cylinders... very little firepower when you are hanging from shroud lines after punching out from a SAM damaged F4 and your LZ is populated with black pajamas and AK's and SKS's with bayonets. Jolly Green.. where are you? Grant... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: says 1950 on this ladysize. i don't think there are any ladysize with 6 shots http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_36 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Back in the day.. circa.. 1967.. Vietnam... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: by back in the day, you are talking about 18 hundred and what? the gun wilton describes having been issued should have had 5 bullets. when do you fancy the lady sized was first made? On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time flys] G I
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Yep, Slim (T. J.) did mention the special items, didn't he? No such inventory would ever have occurred in flight on a real such mission. Example of writer trying to insert another joke. BTW, y'all do realize, don't you that most (almost ALL) of the stuff in that movie was BS from somebody's imagination. For example, pilot never read any checklist for bombing or its prep and sure as Hell wouldn't have gone into the bomb bay for ANYTHING - if anybody did, it would have been the navigator or radar-navigator/bombardier. All of the in flight dialog was very stilted, imaginary BS - not like the real world at all. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling I was paraphrasing from a quote in Dr. Strangelove that Slim Pickens (as Major T.J. Kong, pilot of the B-52) makes as they are beginning their bomb run and inventorying their survival kits. The original line referenced Dallas, TX, but since the movie was released shortly after President Kennedy was assassinated they changed it to Las Vegas. Dan On Sep 8, 2013, at 5:23 PM, G Mann wrote: Vegas survival kit' Big bag full of cash... spare keys to your nice car, credit cards. Little bag with a change of socks and underwear and a bus ticket home... and a snickers bar. When the big bag is empty and at the pawn shop.. pick up little bag and come home... if you didn't hock it also.. What you bring to Vegas... stays in Vegas... It is written... Grant... On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Bet you could have one heck of a weekend in Vegas with those survival kits! Dan Call me Buck Sent from my iPad On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:30 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I don't remember the details of the .38 we B-52 crewmen were issued; I'm no firearms expert and I never fondled the gun/weapon to study it in detail. It stayed it the holster ALL of the time, 'cept when clearing it upon receipt and return. I knew how to use it if necessary and, obviously, for qualification. It was a .38 S W with a short barrel - how short, I don't remember. I think it had 6 shots. I didn't care about the details of it 30 to 50 years ago, and I still don't. I knew all of the intimate details of the nuclear weapons and/or conventional weapons (as appropriate) in our huge bomb bay and how to use them, but I had very little interest in the details of .38 cal S W. Also had 3 crash axes in the cabin and a .22 cal (long rifle shells) fold-up survival rife in every seat pack survival kit on the airplane. 'Don't remember a lot of the details of those, either, but I knew how to use 'em. Wilton - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling that is a different gun than wilton describes he was issued. are you saying he is confused or are you discussing a completely different subject than i am? or am i confused at to wilton's claims? On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:13 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-271423.html K frame.. 4 inch barrel... early issue aluminum cylinders were drawn back due to issues.. 6 round cylinders... very little firepower when you are hanging from shroud lines after punching out from a SAM damaged F4 and your LZ is populated with black pajamas and AK's and SKS's with bayonets. Jolly Green.. where are you? Grant... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: says 1950 on this ladysize. i don't think there are any ladysize with 6 shots http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_36 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Back in the day.. circa.. 1967.. Vietnam... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: by back in the day, you are talking about 18 hundred and what? the gun wilton describes having been issued should have had 5 bullets. when do you fancy the lady sized was first made? On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time flys] G I issue was 6 round, 4 inch barrel. The 5 shot ladies size revolvers had not been produced .. yet.. Now.. with the new military rules of engagement.. I suppose the Nuke Command officers are sent out with a fresh tube of lipstick and one of butt lube.. in case they are captured.. wrapped in a white flag. Grant.. Late for my Kum byyy Yaaah drum cricle.. gotta run... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann g2ma
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Yes, but were you aware that their depiction of the cockpit and equipment was so spot-on that the USAF was convinced someone had leaked TS material to them? In the early 60s, the B-52 was cutting-edge technology. Access to it was a matter of national security. The Pentagon refused to lend any support to the film after they read the script. Set designers reconstructed the B-52 bomber's cockpit from a single photograph that appeared in a British flying magazine. When some American Air Force personnel were invited to view the movie's B52 cockpit, they said it was a perfect copy.Stanley Kubrick feared that Ken Adam's production design team had used illegal methods and could be investigated by the FBI. Dan On Sep 8, 2013, at 6:49 PM, WILTON wrote: Yep, Slim (T. J.) did mention the special items, didn't he? No such inventory would ever have occurred in flight on a real such mission. Example of writer trying to insert another joke. BTW, y'all do realize, don't you that most (almost ALL) of the stuff in that movie was BS from somebody's imagination. For example, pilot never read any checklist for bombing or its prep and sure as Hell wouldn't have gone into the bomb bay for ANYTHING - if anybody did, it would have been the navigator or radar-navigator/bombardier. All of the in flight dialog was very stilted, imaginary BS - not like the real world at all. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Most of the cockpit photos were spot on, except one really big item - there was no box displaying receipt of messages, go codes, etc. At that time, such was still in somebody's imagination. We received all such messages via voice and copied 'em onto a plastic-covered form with grease pencil. Such electronic box was just getting into the fleet when I retired in late '81. I never used it. Wilt - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Yes, but were you aware that their depiction of the cockpit and equipment was so spot-on that the USAF was convinced someone had leaked TS material to them? In the early 60s, the B-52 was cutting-edge technology. Access to it was a matter of national security. The Pentagon refused to lend any support to the film after they read the script. Set designers reconstructed the B-52 bomber's cockpit from a single photograph that appeared in a British flying magazine. When some American Air Force personnel were invited to view the movie's B52 cockpit, they said it was a perfect copy.Stanley Kubrick feared that Ken Adam's production design team had used illegal methods and could be investigated by the FBI. Dan On Sep 8, 2013, at 6:49 PM, WILTON wrote: Yep, Slim (T. J.) did mention the special items, didn't he? No such inventory would ever have occurred in flight on a real such mission. Example of writer trying to insert another joke. BTW, y'all do realize, don't you that most (almost ALL) of the stuff in that movie was BS from somebody's imagination. For example, pilot never read any checklist for bombing or its prep and sure as Hell wouldn't have gone into the bomb bay for ANYTHING - if anybody did, it would have been the navigator or radar-navigator/bombardier. All of the in flight dialog was very stilted, imaginary BS - not like the real world at all. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I was on a Looking Glass aircraft once and got a tour of the SAC underground command center. They ran through simulations on both. Exciting. Then I got to crawl around a NEACP 747. That was very cool. Next day we crawled around the VLF transmitter out in the middle of BF, NB. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Sep 8, 2013, at 7:16 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Most of the cockpit photos were spot on, except one really big item - there was no box displaying receipt of messages, go codes, etc. At that time, such was still in somebody's imagination. We received all such messages via voice and copied 'em onto a plastic-covered form with grease pencil. Such electronic box was just getting into the fleet when I retired in late '81. I never used it. Wilt - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Yes, but were you aware that their depiction of the cockpit and equipment was so spot-on that the USAF was convinced someone had leaked TS material to them? In the early 60s, the B-52 was cutting-edge technology. Access to it was a matter of national security. The Pentagon refused to lend any support to the film after they read the script. Set designers reconstructed the B-52 bomber's cockpit from a single photograph that appeared in a British flying magazine. When some American Air Force personnel were invited to view the movie's B52 cockpit, they said it was a perfect copy.Stanley Kubrick feared that Ken Adam's production design team had used illegal methods and could be investigated by the FBI. Dan On Sep 8, 2013, at 6:49 PM, WILTON wrote: Yep, Slim (T. J.) did mention the special items, didn't he? No such inventory would ever have occurred in flight on a real such mission. Example of writer trying to insert another joke. BTW, y'all do realize, don't you that most (almost ALL) of the stuff in that movie was BS from somebody's imagination. For example, pilot never read any checklist for bombing or its prep and sure as Hell wouldn't have gone into the bomb bay for ANYTHING - if anybody did, it would have been the navigator or radar-navigator/bombardier. All of the in flight dialog was very stilted, imaginary BS - not like the real world at all. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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BTW, y'all do realize, don't you that most (almost ALL) of the stuff in that movie was BS from somebody's imagination. But fun, very fun. One of my favorite movies. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wilton wrote: I knew all of the intimate details of the nuclear weapons and/or conventional weapons (as appropriate) in our huge bomb bay and how to use them... 25 years ago I remember taking the kids to Peterson AFB in Colorado Springs at one of their open house days. We were allowed to walk right up under a B-52, if I recall correctly. I recall being amazed at how small the bomb carrying compartment in the middle of the airplane seemed. I had in mind seeing war footage that showed bombs dropping from B-52 and that compartment did not seem capable of carrying that many bombs. I guess you also carried bombs under the wings? I just recall being amazed that we would fly that huge airplane for hours, refuel, spend a few minutes dropping bombs at Nam, and then fly hours back to be re-armed. I was no peacenik, but... it seemed like a lot of effort to spend hours traveling to spend minutes dropping bombs. That was my impression. These days? - I tire of war efforts, again, not being much a peacenik, just tired of the seeming futility of the jazz that goes in to seeming peace keeping efforts. So... call me peacenik... whatever. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Interior bomb bay of D model B-52 carried 84 five hundred pound conventional (iron) bombs (sometimes a mix of 500 and 750 pounders); pylon on each wing carried 12; total 108. H models still in service have same bomb bay but may not be using the concentrated clips/racks (so-called Big Belly mod.) used on the D models in Vietnam. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Wilton wrote: I knew all of the intimate details of the nuclear weapons and/or conventional weapons (as appropriate) in our huge bomb bay and how to use them... 25 years ago I remember taking the kids to Peterson AFB in Colorado Springs at one of their open house days. We were allowed to walk right up under a B-52, if I recall correctly. I recall being amazed at how small the bomb carrying compartment in the middle of the airplane seemed. I had in mind seeing war footage that showed bombs dropping from B-52 and that compartment did not seem capable of carrying that many bombs. I guess you also carried bombs under the wings? I just recall being amazed that we would fly that huge airplane for hours, refuel, spend a few minutes dropping bombs at Nam, and then fly hours back to be re-armed. I was no peacenik, but... it seemed like a lot of effort to spend hours traveling to spend minutes dropping bombs. That was my impression. These days? - I tire of war efforts, again, not being much a peacenik, just tired of the seeming futility of the jazz that goes in to seeming peace keeping efforts. So... call me peacenik... whatever. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'll defer to the list expert, but I suspect what you were seeing was footage of smaller bombs being dropped from racks within the bomb bays, not nukes. Dan who would not care to be intimate with any thermonuclear device On Sep 8, 2013, at 8:50 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Wilton wrote: I knew all of the intimate details of the nuclear weapons and/or conventional weapons (as appropriate) in our huge bomb bay and how to use them... 25 years ago I remember taking the kids to Peterson AFB in Colorado Springs at one of their open house days. We were allowed to walk right up under a B-52, if I recall correctly. I recall being amazed at how small the bomb carrying compartment in the middle of the airplane seemed. I had in mind seeing war footage that showed bombs dropping from B-52 and that compartment did not seem capable of carrying that many bombs. I guess you also carried bombs under the wings? I just recall being amazed that we would fly that huge airplane for hours, refuel, spend a few minutes dropping bombs at Nam, and then fly hours back to be re-armed. I was no peacenik, but... it seemed like a lot of effort to spend hours traveling to spend minutes dropping bombs. That was my impression. These days? - I tire of war efforts, again, not being much a peacenik, just tired of the seeming futility of the jazz that goes in to seeming peace keeping efforts. So... call me peacenik... whatever. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dan wrote: ...I suspect what you were seeing was footage of smaller bombs being dropped from racks within the bomb bays, not nukes. Definitely not nukes in my memory. Footage of Pacific nuke tests - different animal entirely. Intimacy with thermonucular is non issue. Ain't no time to think twice or run fast enuf. Ask Hirosima. Ask Nagasaki. To think... USA is abhorred that someone uses chemicals to kill a few citizens today, but we obliterated two cities, no repurcussions. Peacenik? - maybe more than I want to admit in today's environment. Our system is open corruption in too many ways to proffer allegiance, I suggest. That is the direction I am headed, having seen what little I have seen. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sheesh Wilton now you've done it. I wrote not one, not two but THREE papers on that movie in college. No joke, I went to film school remember. I actually saw the movie in class, I can't remember if it was Film History or something else. I did write a paper on it for Film History, another was a technical dissection for Lighting, I can't remember the third other than I did it, maybe something on the use of black and white as an artistic decision... Anyway don't for one second thing any of the dialog in that movie was written by accident. If its stilted its stilted on purpose... -Curt Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 18:49:16 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Message-ID: 8F57E18D42004311AD58ADCEDC72B4D8@wiltonPC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Yep, Slim (T. J.) did mention the special items, didn't he? No such inventory would ever have occurred in flight on a real such mission. Example of writer trying to insert another joke. BTW, y'all do realize, don't you that most (almost ALL) of the stuff in that movie was BS from somebody's imagination. For example, pilot never read any checklist for bombing or its prep and sure as Hell wouldn't have gone into the bomb bay for ANYTHING - if anybody did, it would have been the navigator or radar-navigator/bombardier. All of the in flight dialog was very stilted, imaginary BS - not like the real world at all. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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AR-7 (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-7 ) was used in some survival kits from that era. Originally made by Armalite, Henry Repeating Arms still makes them. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 4:25 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling WILTON wrote: Also had 3 crash axes in the cabin and a .22 cal (long rifle shells) fold-up survival rife in every seat pack survival kit on the airplane. 'Don't remember a lot of the details of those, either, but I knew how to use 'em. Was the .22 an AR-7? http://10mmman.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/ar7.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes, I understand that; I'm afraid, though, that many think/thought that a lot of that satire was depicting real life, or maybe, didn't get the joke(s). Because I was living it for real every day (overall for nearly fourteen years), it was a bit hard on me to know that some people think/thought that was the way it really was. 'Don't mean to imply any discredit to the movie - it was/is, after all, a MOVIE - entertainment - not a completely accurate representation of the real flight and actions that I lived daily. Isn't that the way of most any movie, play, etc., for one who is intimately familiar with the story in real life? BTW, one of the best scenes for me was when George C. Scott (was it Gen. Jack Ripper?) was enthusiastically telling the President how the bomber could get right on down REAL LOW, beneath the radar - stuff we practiced on every training mission. I've enjoyed the movie several times, too. When I get a chance, I'll see it again. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Sheesh Wilton now you've done it. I wrote not one, not two but THREE papers on that movie in college. No joke, I went to film school remember. I actually saw the movie in class, I can't remember if it was Film History or something else. I did write a paper on it for Film History, another was a technical dissection for Lighting, I can't remember the third other than I did it, maybe something on the use of black and white as an artistic decision... Anyway don't for one second thing any of the dialog in that movie was written by accident. If its stilted its stilted on purpose... -Curt Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 18:49:16 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Message-ID: 8F57E18D42004311AD58ADCEDC72B4D8@wiltonPC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Yep, Slim (T. J.) did mention the special items, didn't he? No such inventory would ever have occurred in flight on a real such mission. Example of writer trying to insert another joke. BTW, y'all do realize, don't you that most (almost ALL) of the stuff in that movie was BS from somebody's imagination. For example, pilot never read any checklist for bombing or its prep and sure as Hell wouldn't have gone into the bomb bay for ANYTHING - if anybody did, it would have been the navigator or radar-navigator/bombardier. All of the in flight dialog was very stilted, imaginary BS - not like the real world at all. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Frying chickens in the barnyard! George C. Scott was General Buck Turgidson. Dan and sug - be sure to say your prayers. Sent from my iPad On Sep 8, 2013, at 10:49 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Yes, I understand that; I'm afraid, though, that many think/thought that a lot of that satire was depicting real life, or maybe, didn't get the joke(s). Because I was living it for real every day (overall for nearly fourteen years), it was a bit hard on me to know that some people think/thought that was the way it really was. 'Don't mean to imply any discredit to the movie - it was/is, after all, a MOVIE - entertainment - not a completely accurate representation of the real flight and actions that I lived daily. Isn't that the way of most any movie, play, etc., for one who is intimately familiar with the story in real life? BTW, one of the best scenes for me was when George C. Scott (was it Gen. Jack Ripper?) was enthusiastically telling the President how the bomber could get right on down REAL LOW, beneath the radar - stuff we practiced on every training mission. I've enjoyed the movie several times, too. When I get a chance, I'll see it again. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Sheesh Wilton now you've done it. I wrote not one, not two but THREE papers on that movie in college. No joke, I went to film school remember. I actually saw the movie in class, I can't remember if it was Film History or something else. I did write a paper on it for Film History, another was a technical dissection for Lighting, I can't remember the third other than I did it, maybe something on the use of black and white as an artistic decision... Anyway don't for one second thing any of the dialog in that movie was written by accident. If its stilted its stilted on purpose... -Curt Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 18:49:16 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Message-ID: 8F57E18D42004311AD58ADCEDC72B4D8@wiltonPC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Yep, Slim (T. J.) did mention the special items, didn't he? No such inventory would ever have occurred in flight on a real such mission. Example of writer trying to insert another joke. BTW, y'all do realize, don't you that most (almost ALL) of the stuff in that movie was BS from somebody's imagination. For example, pilot never read any checklist for bombing or its prep and sure as Hell wouldn't have gone into the bomb bay for ANYTHING - if anybody did, it would have been the navigator or radar-navigator/bombardier. All of the in flight dialog was very stilted, imaginary BS - not like the real world at all. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: To think... USA is abhorred that someone uses chemicals to kill a few citizens today, but we obliterated two cities, no repurcussions. Exactly what repercussions would you have liked to have seen for what was probably the best course of action at the time, given available evidence, to decisively end a war whose aggressors threatened to enslave the entire planet under totalitarianism? As someone with WW2 vets and Holocaust survivors on both sides of my family, I find this comparison ignorant, naive, misguided, morally reprehensible, and deeply offensive. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i see. so nuking hundreds of thousands of civilians prevented the planet from being enslaved. but we made them free, only to have the next group we were challenged by be on the cusp of enslaving the world fortunately we were able to stop the kaiser from enslaving us, or, oh boy, think how stupid we'd be looking right now wearing those helmets with those points on them while living in a wurst eating servitude! be offended by anyone who might disagree with you. accuse them of trying to enslave you. feign the moral high ground and then kill, kill, kill! On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 11:49 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: To think... USA is abhorred that someone uses chemicals to kill a few citizens today, but we obliterated two cities, no repurcussions. Exactly what repercussions would you have liked to have seen for what was probably the best course of action at the time, given available evidence, to decisively end a war whose aggressors threatened to enslave the entire planet under totalitarianism? As someone with WW2 vets and Holocaust survivors on both sides of my family, I find this comparison ignorant, naive, misguided, morally reprehensible, and deeply offensive. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: fortunately we were able to stop the kaiser from enslaving us, or, oh boy, think how stupid we'd be looking right now wearing those helmets with those points on them while living in a wurst eating servitude! be offended by anyone who might disagree with you. accuse them of trying to enslave you. feign the moral high ground and then kill, kill, kill! I have absolutely no problem claiming the moral high ground over Hitler and Stalin. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i believe you started by expressing how deeply offensive you found the sentiment that japanese civilians ought not have been killed in large number by nuclear attack. hitler was already dead and your country undertook this in league with stalin. so what does talk of hitler and stalin have to do with this? is it just a matter of you liking to spout cliches to justify anything or are you genuinely this confused? and you fail to answer my question as to whether you seriously feel you'd have been enslaved today but for the nuking of japanese civilians? do you fear they'd force feed you sushi and would you not like it if they did? i'm going to sleep. should ali baba come enslave me overnight and i not be heard from again, please accept my apologies for doubting your wisdom and accept that i concede to your correct position On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 12:32 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: fortunately we were able to stop the kaiser from enslaving us, or, oh boy, think how stupid we'd be looking right now wearing those helmets with those points on them while living in a wurst eating servitude! be offended by anyone who might disagree with you. accuse them of trying to enslave you. feign the moral high ground and then kill, kill, kill! I have absolutely no problem claiming the moral high ground over Hitler and Stalin. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Local cop is in trouble because the hooker he was chasing after would not stop. She spun around, he could not tell what was going on, so he drew his service weapon. While it exited his holster, it went off and shot her in the leg. He needs some gun control clay On Sep 6, 2013, at 7:53 PM, G Mann wrote: That is so comforting to know, next time I call 911, that it's likely the cop couldn't hit a barn door and will spray bullets like a gangster movie. Ha.. Grant... Who has his criminal attorney on retainer and the phone number tattooed on his forearm.. for when the gun is hot and the perp is not.. after ... when it's time to call the cops and yours is the only story they will hear.. Kidding of course.. I lost all my guns in a boating accident officer... now I just call 911 on my obama phone.. I'm sure glad you came... ;)) On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: According to my local firearms instructor (who is a cop and also a firearms instructor for his department), most cops are not particularly good shots. They have so much other crap they have to do that for most good enough is good enough when it comes to qualifying. The percentage of cops that ever fire their weapon for real is quite small. But it's a different story for aggressive enforcement teams. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of MG Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 9:23 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling I remember using one of those. Back in college a girlfriend and I took a shooting class at local range. Class was run by the local Miami cops. We used 22s but our instructor let me use his hold out as he called it. Told me I would be lucky to put one in the target at the 25 feet we were using. I put 5 out of 5 in a 10 circle. Quite impressed the guy as he told me he had never done that. Maybe he was just being nice to a kid in front of his girlfriend. Manfred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Years ago I shot Hunter's Pistol Silhouette competitively, well I say competitively I kept the bottom tiers warm. Anyway one day we went to the range for practice only to find the police had booked the place without telling anybody. They were running through some training that involved walking sideways past man sized metal cutouts at about 10 yards. At one point they took a break and we commented that they didn't make all that many dings (metal targets ding when hit) compared to the amount of lead headed downrange. They asked if we could do better. My 17 year old self said I'd like to try but I wanted to do it at 100 yards. At 100 yards, with a single shot pistol I was more accurate than any of the cops. With a semi-auto I was faster and more accurate (meaning I never missed) than any of the cops. They were shooting human scale targets, our 100 yard targets (cutouts of rams) were much smaller, maybe 1.5 feet by 1 foot. Then they threw us off the range Its not safe to have you here. -Curt Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 22:53:54 -0400 (EDT) From: m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Message-ID: 58474.107.194.192.215.1378522434.squir...@webmail.core.com Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 According to my local firearms instructor (who is a cop and also a firearms instructor for his department), most cops are not particularly good shots. They have so much other crap they have to do that for most good enough is good enough when it comes to qualifying. The percentage of cops that ever fire their weapon for real is quite small. But it's a different story for aggressive enforcement teams. Yeah, the death squads are expected to actually hit family pets when they shoot at them. The rest of the cops, well, one hit on target and two hits on bystanders or other cops per 17 shot magazine seems to be the standard performance. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Call the cops?!! You have a deep hole and you're way out in nowhere. Why bother. Much safer. Manfred Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 19:53:26 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com That is so comforting to know, next time I call 911, that it's likely the cop couldn't hit a barn door and will spray bullets like a gangster movie. Ha.. Grant... Who has his criminal attorney on retainer and the phone number tattooed on his forearm.. for when the gun is hot and the perp is not.. after ... when it's time to call the cops and yours is the only story they will hear.. Kidding of course.. I lost all my guns in a boating accident officer... now I just call 911 on my obama phone.. I'm sure glad you came... ;)) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Better call Saul! --R On 9/6/13 10:53 PM, G Mann wrote: Who has his criminal attorney on retainer and the phone number tattooed on his forearm. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Craig wrote: The rest of the cops, well, one hit on target and two hits on bystanders or other cops per 17 shot magazine seems to be the standard performance. Yes, particularly in New York City. Craig I was kind of thinking about a recent NYPD shooting when I said that. Someday maybe Los Angeles will step up to that level. They used a LOT more than 3 magazines to put three nicks in those two LA Times delivery ladies in a parked Tacoma. I sure would have hated being in one of the houses on the wrong end of that street. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hendrick, whose words slash like a Brisbane sugar cane worker's machete. On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:10 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: ATTABOY, Henny. Wilt - Original Message - From: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts needs a TRIM Ya know we'd love you even more, if you used capital letters now and then (that's the shift key or caps lock button) and trim your posts, I just trimmed about two miles of stuff off the bottom of your post. We know you have a shift button on your keyboard and we know it works :) Hendrik __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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All of this serves to highlight the wide-spread misunderstanding of the real nature of most police work, a misunderstanding largely fostered by the entertainment media. There are some well-trained and highly competent tactical police units but most police work is administrative information processing and a systematic showing of the flag. Not a criticism, that's just how it works. One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says it's dangerous for well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed police are safe. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 3:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Local cop is in trouble because the hooker he was chasing after would not stop. She spun around, he could not tell what was going on, so he drew his service weapon. While it exited his holster, it went off and shot her in the leg. He needs some gun control clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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even if my job didn't involve shooting, i'd probably at least be able to make a decent public show of it if i were cop i once saw a lieutenant miss a human sized target at 10 yards. he flinched from fear while firing the gun. it doesn't inspire confidence even if one knows that this man doesn't fire guns as part of his job On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: All of this serves to highlight the wide-spread misunderstanding of the real nature of most police work, a misunderstanding largely fostered by the entertainment media. There are some well-trained and highly competent tactical police units but most police work is administrative information processing and a systematic showing of the flag. Not a criticism, that's just how it works. One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says it's dangerous for well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed police are safe. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 3:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Local cop is in trouble because the hooker he was chasing after would not stop. She spun around, he could not tell what was going on, so he drew his service weapon. While it exited his holster, it went off and shot her in the leg. He needs some gun control clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ah - there is the crux of the matter, well-trained, law-abiding civilians are in real short supply. Most selectively abide laws, only those they want to. On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says it's dangerous for well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed police are safe. -- OK Don who is well armed and law abiding, but barely potty trained. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The guns on cops are props to instill fear. I don't know why they bother to carry ammo. On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: it doesn't inspire confidence even if one knows that this man doesn't fire guns as part of his job -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Scott Ritchey wrote: One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says it's dangerous for well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed police are safe. That line of crap, along with the stunning on-video counter example set by Lee Paige, is what spawned the phrase The Only Ones. I know we laugh at Paige a lot, but have you ever seen any man maintain his composure with a hole in his foot as well as Lee Paige? It is funny when he asks somebody to bring him a rifle and the crowd goes nooo, not the rifle!. http://youtu.be/trlPcDg-B4E This US Marshal was a lot less composed with a minor wound in his buttocks. http://youtu.be/ycTwaROa1I0 http://www.examiner.com/article/who-are-the-only-ones-we-can-trust-with-guns http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2006/10/carnival-of-only-ones_29.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to weigh in on this discussion. To wit: More than once, within the past decade, the US Supreme Court has ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to protect citizens. The only duty a policeman has is to protect himself. As stunning as this may be... it is the foundational basis for police to be armed.. to protect themselves, ONLY. We, the citizen, are on our own. [Sorry Andrew, bad news, I know]. Police do not stop crime. They report crime. Then consume great amounts of time and money chasing those who do crime... sort of.. to gather evidence which may or may not meet the burden of proof at trial to prove a crime was committed. If we indeed had a war on crime as we are told we do.. the body count would be much higher... and police officers would be much better at weapons handling. Some are.. many are not, as stated here. Grant... Who was always amazed at the military who gave command pilots nukes then armed them with 6 shot, short barrel .38 revolvers for personal protection when they ejected over hostile country... and always believed the crash axe was a better choice... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: All of this serves to highlight the wide-spread misunderstanding of the real nature of most police work, a misunderstanding largely fostered by the entertainment media. There are some well-trained and highly competent tactical police units but most police work is administrative information processing and a systematic showing of the flag. Not a criticism, that's just how it works. One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says it's dangerous for well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed police are safe. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 3:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Local cop is in trouble because the hooker he was chasing after would not stop. She spun around, he could not tell what was going on, so he drew his service weapon. While it exited his holster, it went off and shot her in the leg. He needs some gun control clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to weigh in on this discussion. To wit: More than once, within the past decade, the US Supreme Court has ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to protect citizens. The only duty a policeman has is to protect himself. As stunning as this may be... it is the foundational basis for police to be armed.. to protect themselves, ONLY. We, the citizen, are on our own. [Sorry Andrew, bad news, I know]. Police do not stop crime. They report crime. Then consume great amounts of time and money chasing those who do crime... sort of.. to gather evidence which may or may not meet the burden of proof at trial to prove a crime was committed. If we indeed had a war on crime as we are told we do.. the body count would be much higher... and police officers would be much better at weapons handling. Some are.. many are not, as stated here. Grant... Who was always amazed at the military who gave command pilots nukes then armed them with 6 shot, short barrel .38 revolvers for personal protection when they ejected over hostile country... and always believed the crash axe was a better choice... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: All of this serves to highlight the wide-spread misunderstanding of the real nature of most police work, a misunderstanding largely fostered by the entertainment media. There are some well-trained and highly competent tactical police units but most police work is administrative information processing and a systematic showing of the flag. Not a criticism, that's just how it works. One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says it's dangerous for well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed police are safe. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 3:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Local cop is in trouble because the hooker he was chasing after would not stop. She spun around, he could not tell what was going on, so he drew his service weapon. While it exited his holster, it went off and shot her in the leg. He needs some gun control clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time flys] G I issue was 6 round, 4 inch barrel. The 5 shot ladies size revolvers had not been produced .. yet.. Now.. with the new military rules of engagement.. I suppose the Nuke Command officers are sent out with a fresh tube of lipstick and one of butt lube.. in case they are captured.. wrapped in a white flag. Grant.. Late for my Kum byyy Yaaah drum cricle.. gotta run... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to weigh in on this discussion. To wit: More than once, within the past decade, the US Supreme Court has ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to protect citizens. The only duty a policeman has is to protect himself. As stunning as this may be... it is the foundational basis for police to be armed.. to protect themselves, ONLY. We, the citizen, are on our own. [Sorry Andrew, bad news, I know]. Police do not stop crime. They report crime. Then consume great amounts of time and money chasing those who do crime... sort of.. to gather evidence which may or may not meet the burden of proof at trial to prove a crime was committed. If we indeed had a war on crime as we are told we do.. the body count would be much higher... and police officers would be much better at weapons handling. Some are.. many are not, as stated here. Grant... Who was always amazed at the military who gave command pilots nukes then armed them with 6 shot, short barrel .38 revolvers for personal protection when they ejected over hostile country... and always believed the crash axe was a better choice... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: All of this serves to highlight the wide-spread misunderstanding of the real nature of most police work, a misunderstanding largely fostered by the entertainment media. There are some well-trained and highly competent tactical police units but most police work is administrative information processing and a systematic showing of the flag. Not a criticism, that's just how it works. One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says it's dangerous for well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed police are safe. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 3:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Local cop is in trouble because the hooker he was chasing after would not stop. She spun around, he could not tell what was going on, so he drew his service weapon. While it exited his holster, it went off and shot her in the leg. He needs some gun control clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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by back in the day, you are talking about 18 hundred and what? the gun wilton describes having been issued should have had 5 bullets. when do you fancy the lady sized was first made? On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time flys] G I issue was 6 round, 4 inch barrel. The 5 shot ladies size revolvers had not been produced .. yet.. Now.. with the new military rules of engagement.. I suppose the Nuke Command officers are sent out with a fresh tube of lipstick and one of butt lube.. in case they are captured.. wrapped in a white flag. Grant.. Late for my Kum byyy Yaaah drum cricle.. gotta run... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to weigh in on this discussion. To wit: More than once, within the past decade, the US Supreme Court has ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to protect citizens. The only duty a policeman has is to protect himself. As stunning as this may be... it is the foundational basis for police to be armed.. to protect themselves, ONLY. We, the citizen, are on our own. [Sorry Andrew, bad news, I know]. Police do not stop crime. They report crime. Then consume great amounts of time and money chasing those who do crime... sort of.. to gather evidence which may or may not meet the burden of proof at trial to prove a crime was committed. If we indeed had a war on crime as we are told we do.. the body count would be much higher... and police officers would be much better at weapons handling. Some are.. many are not, as stated here. Grant... Who was always amazed at the military who gave command pilots nukes then armed them with 6 shot, short barrel .38 revolvers for personal protection when they ejected over hostile country... and always believed the crash axe was a better choice... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: All of this serves to highlight the wide-spread misunderstanding of the real nature of most police work, a misunderstanding largely fostered by the entertainment media. There are some well-trained and highly competent tactical police units but most police work is administrative information processing and a systematic showing of the flag. Not a criticism, that's just how it works. One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says it's dangerous for well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed police are safe. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 3:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Local cop is in trouble because the hooker he was chasing after would not stop. She spun around, he could not tell what was going on, so he drew his service weapon. While it exited his holster, it went off and shot her in the leg. He needs some gun control clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sep 7, 2013, at 7:20 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Grant... Who was always amazed at the military who gave command pilots nukes then armed them with 6 shot, short barrel .38 revolvers for personal protection when they ejected over hostile country... I was kinda thinking that pistol was in case a fellow crew member lost it and tried something stupid. Stressful job and all. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Back in the day.. circa.. 1967.. Vietnam... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: by back in the day, you are talking about 18 hundred and what? the gun wilton describes having been issued should have had 5 bullets. when do you fancy the lady sized was first made? On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time flys] G I issue was 6 round, 4 inch barrel. The 5 shot ladies size revolvers had not been produced .. yet.. Now.. with the new military rules of engagement.. I suppose the Nuke Command officers are sent out with a fresh tube of lipstick and one of butt lube.. in case they are captured.. wrapped in a white flag. Grant.. Late for my Kum byyy Yaaah drum cricle.. gotta run... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to weigh in on this discussion. To wit: More than once, within the past decade, the US Supreme Court has ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to protect citizens. The only duty a policeman has is to protect himself. As stunning as this may be... it is the foundational basis for police to be armed.. to protect themselves, ONLY. We, the citizen, are on our own. [Sorry Andrew, bad news, I know]. Police do not stop crime. They report crime. Then consume great amounts of time and money chasing those who do crime... sort of.. to gather evidence which may or may not meet the burden of proof at trial to prove a crime was committed. If we indeed had a war on crime as we are told we do.. the body count would be much higher... and police officers would be much better at weapons handling. Some are.. many are not, as stated here. Grant... Who was always amazed at the military who gave command pilots nukes then armed them with 6 shot, short barrel .38 revolvers for personal protection when they ejected over hostile country... and always believed the crash axe was a better choice... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: All of this serves to highlight the wide-spread misunderstanding of the real nature of most police work, a misunderstanding largely fostered by the entertainment media. There are some well-trained and highly competent tactical police units but most police work is administrative information processing and a systematic showing of the flag. Not a criticism, that's just how it works. One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says it's dangerous for well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed police are safe. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 3:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Local cop is in trouble because the hooker he was chasing after would not stop. She spun around, he could not tell what was going on, so he drew his service weapon. While it exited his holster, it went off and shot her in the leg. He needs some gun control clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list
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says 1950 on this ladysize. i don't think there are any ladysize with 6 shots http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_36 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Back in the day.. circa.. 1967.. Vietnam... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: by back in the day, you are talking about 18 hundred and what? the gun wilton describes having been issued should have had 5 bullets. when do you fancy the lady sized was first made? On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time flys] G I issue was 6 round, 4 inch barrel. The 5 shot ladies size revolvers had not been produced .. yet.. Now.. with the new military rules of engagement.. I suppose the Nuke Command officers are sent out with a fresh tube of lipstick and one of butt lube.. in case they are captured.. wrapped in a white flag. Grant.. Late for my Kum byyy Yaaah drum cricle.. gotta run... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to weigh in on this discussion. To wit: More than once, within the past decade, the US Supreme Court has ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to protect citizens. The only duty a policeman has is to protect himself. As stunning as this may be... it is the foundational basis for police to be armed.. to protect themselves, ONLY. We, the citizen, are on our own. [Sorry Andrew, bad news, I know]. Police do not stop crime. They report crime. Then consume great amounts of time and money chasing those who do crime... sort of.. to gather evidence which may or may not meet the burden of proof at trial to prove a crime was committed. If we indeed had a war on crime as we are told we do.. the body count would be much higher... and police officers would be much better at weapons handling. Some are.. many are not, as stated here. Grant... Who was always amazed at the military who gave command pilots nukes then armed them with 6 shot, short barrel .38 revolvers for personal protection when they ejected over hostile country... and always believed the crash axe was a better choice... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: All of this serves to highlight the wide-spread misunderstanding of the real nature of most police work, a misunderstanding largely fostered by the entertainment media. There are some well-trained and highly competent tactical police units but most police work is administrative information processing and a systematic showing of the flag. Not a criticism, that's just how it works. One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says it's dangerous for well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed police are safe. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 3:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Local cop is in trouble because the hooker he was chasing after would not stop. She spun around, he could not tell what was going on, so he drew his service weapon. While it exited his holster, it went off and shot her in the leg. He needs some gun control clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com
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http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-271423.html K frame.. 4 inch barrel... early issue aluminum cylinders were drawn back due to issues.. 6 round cylinders... very little firepower when you are hanging from shroud lines after punching out from a SAM damaged F4 and your LZ is populated with black pajamas and AK's and SKS's with bayonets. Jolly Green.. where are you? Grant... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: says 1950 on this ladysize. i don't think there are any ladysize with 6 shots http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_36 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Back in the day.. circa.. 1967.. Vietnam... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: by back in the day, you are talking about 18 hundred and what? the gun wilton describes having been issued should have had 5 bullets. when do you fancy the lady sized was first made? On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time flys] G I issue was 6 round, 4 inch barrel. The 5 shot ladies size revolvers had not been produced .. yet.. Now.. with the new military rules of engagement.. I suppose the Nuke Command officers are sent out with a fresh tube of lipstick and one of butt lube.. in case they are captured.. wrapped in a white flag. Grant.. Late for my Kum byyy Yaaah drum cricle.. gotta run... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to weigh in on this discussion. To wit: More than once, within the past decade, the US Supreme Court has ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to protect citizens. The only duty a policeman has is to protect himself. As stunning as this may be... it is the foundational basis for police to be armed.. to protect themselves, ONLY. We, the citizen, are on our own. [Sorry Andrew, bad news, I know]. Police do not stop crime. They report crime. Then consume great amounts of time and money chasing those who do crime... sort of.. to gather evidence which may or may not meet the burden of proof at trial to prove a crime was committed. If we indeed had a war on crime as we are told we do.. the body count would be much higher... and police officers would be much better at weapons handling. Some are.. many are not, as stated here. Grant... Who was always amazed at the military who gave command pilots nukes then armed them with 6 shot, short barrel .38 revolvers for personal protection when they ejected over hostile country... and always believed the crash axe was a better choice... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: All of this serves to highlight the wide-spread misunderstanding of the real nature of most police work, a misunderstanding largely fostered by the entertainment media. There are some well-trained and highly competent tactical police units but most police work is administrative information processing and a systematic showing of the flag. Not a criticism, that's just how it works. One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says it's dangerous for well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed police are safe. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 3:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Local cop is in trouble because the hooker he was chasing after would not stop. She spun around, he could not tell what was going on, so he drew his service weapon. While it exited his holster, it went off and shot her in the leg. He needs some gun control clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http
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that is a different gun than wilton describes he was issued. are you saying he is confused or are you discussing a completely different subject than i am? or am i confused at to wilton's claims? On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:13 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-271423.html K frame.. 4 inch barrel... early issue aluminum cylinders were drawn back due to issues.. 6 round cylinders... very little firepower when you are hanging from shroud lines after punching out from a SAM damaged F4 and your LZ is populated with black pajamas and AK's and SKS's with bayonets. Jolly Green.. where are you? Grant... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: says 1950 on this ladysize. i don't think there are any ladysize with 6 shots http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_36 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Back in the day.. circa.. 1967.. Vietnam... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: by back in the day, you are talking about 18 hundred and what? the gun wilton describes having been issued should have had 5 bullets. when do you fancy the lady sized was first made? On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time flys] G I issue was 6 round, 4 inch barrel. The 5 shot ladies size revolvers had not been produced .. yet.. Now.. with the new military rules of engagement.. I suppose the Nuke Command officers are sent out with a fresh tube of lipstick and one of butt lube.. in case they are captured.. wrapped in a white flag. Grant.. Late for my Kum byyy Yaaah drum cricle.. gotta run... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to weigh in on this discussion. To wit: More than once, within the past decade, the US Supreme Court has ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to protect citizens. The only duty a policeman has is to protect himself. As stunning as this may be... it is the foundational basis for police to be armed.. to protect themselves, ONLY. We, the citizen, are on our own. [Sorry Andrew, bad news, I know]. Police do not stop crime. They report crime. Then consume great amounts of time and money chasing those who do crime... sort of.. to gather evidence which may or may not meet the burden of proof at trial to prove a crime was committed. If we indeed had a war on crime as we are told we do.. the body count would be much higher... and police officers would be much better at weapons handling. Some are.. many are not, as stated here. Grant... Who was always amazed at the military who gave command pilots nukes then armed them with 6 shot, short barrel .38 revolvers for personal protection when they ejected over hostile country... and always believed the crash axe was a better choice... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: All of this serves to highlight the wide-spread misunderstanding of the real nature of most police work, a misunderstanding largely fostered by the entertainment media. There are some well-trained and highly competent tactical police units but most police work is administrative information processing and a systematic showing of the flag. Not a criticism, that's just how it works. One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says it's dangerous for well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed police are safe. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 3:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Local cop is in trouble because the hooker he was chasing after would not stop. She spun around, he could not tell what was going on, so he drew his service weapon. While it exited his holster, it went off and shot her in the leg. He needs some gun control clay
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and a systematic showing of the flag. Not a criticism, that's just how it works. One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says it's dangerous for well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed police are safe. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 3:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Local cop is in trouble because the hooker he was chasing after would not stop. She spun around, he could not tell what was going on, so he drew his service weapon. While it exited his holster, it went off and shot her in the leg. He needs some gun control clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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handling. Some are.. many are not, as stated here. Grant... Who was always amazed at the military who gave command pilots nukes then armed them with 6 shot, short barrel .38 revolvers for personal protection when they ejected over hostile country... and always believed the crash axe was a better choice... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: All of this serves to highlight the wide-spread misunderstanding of the real nature of most police work, a misunderstanding largely fostered by the entertainment media. There are some well-trained and highly competent tactical police units but most police work is administrative information processing and a systematic showing of the flag. Not a criticism, that's just how it works. One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says it's dangerous for well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed police are safe. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 3:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Local cop is in trouble because the hooker he was chasing after would not stop. She spun around, he could not tell what was going on, so he drew his service weapon. While it exited his holster, it went off and shot her in the leg. He needs some gun control clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
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I think Wilton later said it probably had a 4 inch barrel, maybe a model 10. That's what I trained on in 1968. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 10:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling he made claim that he was issued a small frame shot barrel revolver. from his description it would be a J frame with a 2 or shorter barrel. maybe he was issued a 4 inch barrel K frame. so we are talking about different guns as for shooting your way out surrounded by your highly armed enemy, i don't think it's going to matter a while hill of beans whether you are toting a 1911 or a k frame revolver. neither will get you out and both leave you relatively unarmed however, if you were telling me we were going to have a gun fight and offered for me to choose my weapon i'd pick the 1911 and let you have the revolver every time. i am unclear on why the air force chose to issue revolvers as well On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:39 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: We may be talking apples and oranges.. or we may be talking only apples.. Apparently.. crew issue sidearms were at the discretion of the armory at the departing base. Some flight crews were issued S W, K frame/4 inch barrel/6 round revolvers.. which was authorized issue. Others had access to the more desired Colt 1911 which were, sometimes available... Other crews were permitted to arm themselves with personally owned weapons.. at the discretion of the commanding officer.. most likely.. Rank, after all.. has it's privilege, and Flight Officers did what they did. In Wilton's case.. what ever happened happened.. I recall being issued the standard SW K frame.. and feeling seriously unarmed for the theater of operation. On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: that is a different gun than wilton describes he was issued. are you saying he is confused or are you discussing a completely different subject than i am? or am i confused at to wilton's claims? On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:13 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-271423.html K frame.. 4 inch barrel... early issue aluminum cylinders were drawn back due to issues.. 6 round cylinders... very little firepower when you are hanging from shroud lines after punching out from a SAM damaged F4 and your LZ is populated with black pajamas and AK's and SKS's with bayonets. Jolly Green.. where are you? Grant... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: says 1950 on this ladysize. i don't think there are any ladysize with 6 shots http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_36 On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Back in the day.. circa.. 1967.. Vietnam... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: by back in the day, you are talking about 18 hundred and what? the gun wilton describes having been issued should have had 5 bullets. when do you fancy the lady sized was first made? On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time flys] G I issue was 6 round, 4 inch barrel. The 5 shot ladies size revolvers had not been produced .. yet.. Now.. with the new military rules of engagement.. I suppose the Nuke Command officers are sent out with a fresh tube of lipstick and one of butt lube.. in case they are captured.. wrapped in a white flag. Grant.. Late for my Kum byyy Yaaah drum cricle.. gotta run... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to weigh in on this discussion. To wit: More than once, within the past decade, the US Supreme Court has ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to protect citizens. The only duty a policeman has is to protect himself. As stunning as this may be... it is the foundational basis for police to be armed.. to protect themselves, ONLY. We, the citizen, are on our own. [Sorry Andrew, bad news, I know]. Police do not stop crime. They report crime. Then consume great amounts of time and money chasing those who do crime... sort
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in on this discussion. To wit: More than once, within the past decade, the US Supreme Court has ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to protect citizens. The only duty a policeman has is to protect himself. As stunning as this may be... it is the foundational basis for police to be armed.. to protect themselves, ONLY. We, the citizen, are on our own. [Sorry Andrew, bad news, I know]. Police do not stop crime. They report crime. Then consume great amounts of time and money chasing those who do crime... sort of.. to gather evidence which may or may not meet the burden of proof at trial to prove a crime was committed. If we indeed had a war on crime as we are told we do.. the body count would be much higher... and police officers would be much better at weapons handling. Some are.. many are not, as stated here. Grant... Who was always amazed at the military who gave command pilots nukes then armed them with 6 shot, short barrel .38 revolvers for personal protection when they ejected over hostile country... and always believed the crash axe was a better choice... On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: All of this serves to highlight the wide-spread misunderstanding of the real nature of most police work, a misunderstanding largely fostered by the entertainment media. There are some well-trained and highly competent tactical police units but most police work is administrative information processing and a systematic showing of the flag. Not a criticism, that's just how it works. One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says it's dangerous for well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed police are safe. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 3:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Local cop is in trouble because the hooker he was chasing after would not stop. She spun around, he could not tell what was going on, so he drew his service weapon. While it exited his holster, it went off and shot her in the leg. He needs some gun control clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive
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4 inches seems more like it, but I don't remember. 'Last time I held/wore one was '81. Wilton - Original Message - From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 12:53 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling My recollection is that it was a model 10 with 4 in barrel. That was in 1968. By then we were using M-16s (A nothing) pre burst limiter. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 9:38 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling Short barrel .38 cal revolver. I was a NUCLEAR weapons expert, not a FIREARMS expert, but the firearms instructors called 'em police specials. Sometimes during our qualification exercises with the .38, we were advised that it may be better to throw it at 'em and run rather than try to hit anything with a bullet, or maybe the noise would scare 'em for a few seconds. Wilton - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling you've merged some names maybe on the .38. my guess is you are talking about a model 10 military police, which is what goering wore. or are you talking about a short barrel chief's special? On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 9:00 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Qualified expert with M1 carbine in 1957; thankfully, never touched another. Qualified expert with .38 cal S W Police Special revolver many times; wore one many times when in personal possession of SIOP (Single Integrated Operational Plans - emergency war orders, nuclear) and on bombing missions to Vietnam. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com