Re: thanks to thinking people.

2010-07-22 Thread Charles Gregory
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Benny Pedersen wrote: On ons 21 jul 2010 19:09:55 CEST, Alexandre Chapellon wrote You can have forged return-path and /or stollen credentials... in both cases you look like a backscatter source. i belive postfix is smart to change forged sender to something that is not

Re: [sa] Re: thanks to thinking people.

2010-07-22 Thread Charles Gregory
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Benny Pedersen wrote: On tor 22 jul 2010 20:03:18 CEST, Charles Gregory wrote A forged sender looks no different than a legitimate sender. Postfix would have no way to be 'smart' about this (except for some instances of SPF fail, but then why 'bounce'? Why not reject

Re: [sa] Re: thanks to thinking people.

2010-07-20 Thread Charles Gregory
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, LuKreme wrote: We are talking about Checking OUTBOUND messages. It is perfectly ok to bounce internal messages. Caveat: As long as proper care is taken to send the bounce to the authenticated sender of the mail and NOT just lamely use the 'From' header! Still prefer an

Re: First run score: 25.7 Second: 2.6

2010-07-16 Thread Charles Gregory
On Fri, 16 Jul 2010, Emin Akbulut wrote: X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.6 required=6.3 tests=HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32, X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.6 required=6.3 tests=HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32, X-Spam-Status: No, score=5.5 required=6.3 tests=HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32, X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=24.4 required=6.3

Re: [sa] How to block a network

2010-07-16 Thread Charles Gregory
On Fri, 16 Jul 2010, Igor Chudov wrote: I receive a large number of spams from network IPs belonging to SharkTech, 70.39.69.99 or so and so on. Does UBuntu use 'iptables' firewall? Throw it in there, and forget even the wasted initial SMTP connections. - C

Re: First run score: 25.7 Second: 2.6

2010-07-15 Thread Charles Gregory
On Wed, 14 Jul 2010, Matt Kettler wrote: On 7/14/2010 11:27 AM, Emin Akbulut wrote: I noticed randomly while I was testing SA. All I did is below: WinSpamC realspam.txt result1.txt NET STOP Spamassassin NET START Spamassassin WinSpamC realspam.txt result2.txt WinSpamC realspam.txt

Re: [sa] Re: First run score: 25.7 Second: 2.6

2010-07-15 Thread Charles Gregory
On Thu, 15 Jul 2010, Emin Akbulut wrote: spamassassin.exe always calculates the same/correct score. Good... Goood. pamd second run reports only a few tests. Is it OK? I mean spamd runs all test but only adds which one increases score to it's report? Or these tests are processed tests

Re: First run score: 25.7 Second: 2.6

2010-07-14 Thread Charles Gregory
On Wed, 14 Jul 2010, Bowie Bailey wrote: First run: --- X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=25.7 required=6.3 tests=HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_02,HTML_MESSAGE,LOCALPART_IN_SUBJECT What sticks out to me is that most of the missing score hits on

Re: How to stop weird From: crap?

2010-07-12 Thread Charles Gregory
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010, Michelle Konzack wrote: From: Coupon Dept. CouponDeptdOS_V`CcOP IW^GIdATOn2PbJK_/v...@perezcentral.com I realize that the spammers will soon recognize that you are filtering them, but for the moment, why not score heavily on the 'unusual' characters inside these coded

Re: [sa] Re: How to stop weird From: crap?

2010-07-12 Thread Charles Gregory
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: header LOC_WEIRD_FROM From =~ /[...@\]*[\^\`\ ]...@\]*@/ # note: the '[...@\]*' confines the match to within a local address part Using From:addr instead is better and more accurate. Provided the spammer doesn't use more than one address on the

Re: Move SPAM to directory and notify user

2010-07-09 Thread Charles Gregory
On Fri, 9 Jul 2010, Jose Luis Marin Perez wrote: In a CentOS 4.7 server I installed qmail + simscan + ClamAV + Spamassassin 3.3.0 that is working properly. Now my intention is that when a mail is considered SPAM this is moved to a folder called SPAM and in turn notifies the user (via email) so

Re: SA checking of authenticated users' messages

2010-07-08 Thread Charles Gregory
On Wed, 7 Jul 2010, Louis Guillaume wrote: (spamass-milter doesn't tell SA about auth) == [ rbl checks run against authenticated user's IP address lack of ALL_TRUSTED for authenticated user's mail That last one seems to be my problem. Does the patch fix this?

Re: Problems with File::Scan::ClamAV

2010-07-03 Thread Charles Gregory
On Sat, 3 Jul 2010, sebast...@debianfan.de wrote: i have a debian Lenny system with SpamAssassin version 3.3.1 running on Perl version 5.10.0. Is it running properly? I had installed clamav and i got a problem by installing file::scan::clamav. How is this connected to spamassassin? My

Re: Whitelist programmatically

2010-06-26 Thread Charles Gregory
On Sat, 26 Jun 2010, Massimiliano Giovine wrote: What does it do? How can i read the documentation of the spamassassin behavior with whitelisting? Firstly, the behaviour of the various whitelist options are described in the Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf documentation. There is a copy on the web

Re: Whitelist programmatically

2010-06-26 Thread Charles Gregory
to the site-wide config, but it wouldn't make sense to have to restart for every user change Easy enough to test out... Make some changes and see if they take. So, what are the complicated bits? :) -C 2010/6/26 Charles Gregory cgreg...@hwcn.org: On Sat, 26 Jun 2010, Massimiliano Giovine wrote

Re: [sa] Re: NO_RELAYS spam

2010-06-18 Thread Charles Gregory
On Fri, 18 Jun 2010, Randy Ramsdell wrote: I have no problem going over there but I am not convinced that the Amavis program is the problem. The header field is changed by spamassassin. Doesn't the email simply get handed to Spamassasin by Amavis where the headers are modified by spam report

Re: NO_RELAYS spam

2010-06-17 Thread Charles Gregory
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010, Randy Ramsdell wrote: The original email did not hit the NO_RELAYS rule but subsequent runs through do hit this rule and it isn't on all email. This sounds to me like you are 'resending' the mail from a local address to your mail server, rather than 'feeding' the original

Re: NO_RELAYS spam

2010-06-17 Thread Charles Gregory
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010, Randy Ramsdell wrote: Hmmm, this mail came in and went straight to the users inbox. 1. Postfix --- 2. Amavis ( Spamd/Clamd) --- 3. Postfix --- 4. Dovecot-deliver So the problem is somewhere during the 2 --- 3 or step 3 or 4. Step 4 it is unlikely since Deliver simply

Re: Please Help with SA Rule: FH_HOST_IN_ADDRARPA

2010-06-17 Thread Charles Gregory
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010, gwilodailo wrote: I've discovered that some mail between two of my clients (on separate hosts) is getting flagged as spam, because of this rule (FH_HOST_IN_ADDRARPA). I'm not at all an expert with spamassassin, and I'm having some difficulty finding what this rule is about

Re: SpamAssassin Integration

2010-06-16 Thread Charles Gregory
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010, Gnanam wrote: I want to integrate SpamAssassin in my web-based application to test spam score of the email content... If this is your own custom web software, then it is as simple as adding a call to spamassassin (or spamc) in the same area of the script that validates

Re: More large spam....

2010-06-13 Thread Charles Gregory
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: Please do not hijack a thread. Please do not hit Reply, if you do not intend to reply and contribute to that thread. Removing all quoted text and changing the Subject does *not* make it a new thread or post. (Hint: In-Reply-To and References

Re: Set for Whitelist Only?

2010-06-13 Thread Charles Gregory
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010, andrewj wrote: I am migrating to a new server with SpamAssassin. I have a well-known email address which is a common spam target, and I want to set it up so that only addresses on my whitelist are allowed, everything else is automatically blacklisted. How do I set this up?

More large spam....

2010-06-12 Thread Charles Gregory
I got another 1MB spam today. I still don't want to kill my system by attempting to scan every large mail that comes in. Has there been any progress on an 'option' to scan only text portions of mail past a certain size limit and/or scan only the first X bytes? The former is preferable

Re: Performance problem body tests

2010-06-03 Thread Charles Gregory
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, Helmut Schneider wrote: I then started from scratch and tried with SA 3.2.5. The particular body_tests take only 5 seconds (instead of 30). As I mentioned before, I noticed this difference myself, and presumed it was just a characteristic of the 'improved' logic for

Re: Performance problem body tests

2010-06-03 Thread Charles Gregory
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, Mark Martinec wrote: Here is one common problem of 'certain mail messages' taking a long time to process - unresolvable for now: https://issues.apache.org/SpamAssassin/show_bug.cgi?id=5590 Sorry, but that bug has been around since 3.2.3 - it would not explain a sudden

Re: [sa] Performance problem body tests

2010-06-02 Thread Charles Gregory
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010, Helmut Schneider wrote: with certain mails on FreeBSD 8.0 and SA 3.3.1 I have a performance problem: What distinguishes 'certain mails'? Length? Content? Mime attachements? So the body tests take ~ 30 of 37 seconds. It's not a load problem, I noticed a significant

Re: SPF_HELO_PASS on a spam message?

2010-05-28 Thread Charles Gregory
On Fri, 28 May 2010, theTree wrote: I received a spam email that scored zero on the SpamAssassin score. I think it may be to do with the SPF_HELO_PASS that it scored - would someone be able to give me some pointers? I can't be certain with the munged headers, but it looks like you are

Re: Arabic Spam

2010-05-24 Thread Charles Gregory
On Mon, 24 May 2010, Jason Bertoch wrote: A user reported the following FN to me which is written in an Arabic character set. I have ok_locales en set, but I don't see any rules hitting that appear language related. I also found the normalize_charset option, but don't know if it will help or

Re: percentage off spam

2010-05-18 Thread Charles Gregory
I agree that full smaples are needed. The % Subject alone is not enough. But I would expect there is something 'common' to the body that would combine in a meta rule for decent score with minimal fp... So throw some examples up on pastebin. - C

Re: percentage off spam

2010-05-18 Thread Charles Gregory
On Tue, 18 May 2010, Kenneth Porter wrote: So throw some examples up on pastebin. Here's some: http://sewingwitch.com/ken/Stuff/foo.txt I'm currently catching them with this: header KP_PERCENT Subject =~ /\b-?[78][0-9]%/ describe KP_PERCENT 70-89 percent in subject

Re: [sa] Re: Custom rules - escape characters

2010-05-07 Thread Charles Gregory
On Fri, 7 May 2010, Daniel Lemke wrote: Am I seeing ghosts or is this the third time you asked the same question on this list? Your first mail was already replied so I suggest you have a look there to get your answers. Daniel Oh, good, it's not my mail server acting up again! (smile) To OP:

Re: [sa] odd FPs

2010-05-05 Thread Charles Gregory
On Tue, 4 May 2010, Greg Troxel wrote: Thanks - I did pretty much understand the tests. What I'm boggled about is that they suddenly started firing, and then now suddenly do not. This is perfectly consistent with the explanation I offered at the beginning of this thread. A legitimate Google

Re: Scanning Outbound emails

2010-05-05 Thread Charles Gregory
On Wed, 5 May 2010, Bernd Petrovitsch wrote: Why shouldn't it be possible? SpamAssassin doesn't care where the mail comes from Well, actually, it DOES. The test DOS_DIRECT_TO_MX being an example. Which brings me back to the slightly confused feeling that I still get over

Re: Scanning Outbound emails

2010-05-05 Thread Charles Gregory
On Wed, 5 May 2010, Jari Fredriksson wrote: There is one special group that will suffer from that decision: namely SpamAssassin users within your network. If they do report their spam to SpamCop using SpamAssassin's own report mechanism, they are screwed Why not just add a negative-scoring

Re: [sa] odd FPs

2010-05-04 Thread Charles Gregory
On Tue, 4 May 2010, Greg Troxel wrote: I use spamassass-milter and reject at about 8 points. Normally this is fine. I just got a few false positives.

How many Froms?

2010-04-28 Thread Charles Gregory
Hiyo! Occasionally I see an e-mail with multiple addresses on the 'From:' header. (not the envelope) Can anyone think of legitimate uses for multiple From: addresses? Or could I just use a rule like: header From =~ /\...@.*\@/ - C

Re: [sa] Re: How many Froms?

2010-04-28 Thread Charles Gregory
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, David B Funk wrote: There's an easy fix for that FP, just use the 'From:addr =~ ' varient of the header rule. That ignores the comment part of the 'From:' address and only examines the stuff inside the 'b...@blah.blah' part. Avoid FP, yes, but also avoid the live header

Re: Score overriding and behaviour

2010-04-27 Thread Charles Gregory
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010, Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote: Also, why body __SOMMA m'\Wsomma\W'i doesn't fire? I have the Rule2XSBody plugin active. Maybe somehow it wasn't compiled? But why, then? Do ANY of the rules in your local.cf fire? Try putting a test rule that will 'always' fire

Re: [sa] RE: Score overriding and behaviour

2010-04-27 Thread Charles Gregory
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010, Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote: Do ANY of the rules in your local.cf fire? Yes, they do. The __IN_ITALIAN rule referred by SOMMA and SOMMA2, in example. Just a side thought, but are we checking for SOMMA or SOMA? One 'm' or two? FRT_SOMA2 Try 'retyping' the __SOMMA rule

Re: Whitelisting local domain (spamassassin qmail)

2010-04-26 Thread Charles Gregory
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010, Martin Caine wrote: Received: from host[my_ip_address].in-addr.btopenworld.com (HELO ?192.168.32.10?) (mar...@[my_domain_dot_com]@[my_ip_address]) by [our_servers_hostname].memset.net with SMTP; 26 Apr 2010 09:26:45 - If 'my_ip_address' is truly 'internal' then you

Re: Whitelisting local domain (spamassassin qmail)

2010-04-26 Thread Charles Gregory
You used the phrase 'internal' to describe the IP from which you are sending your mail. If you are trying to send mail by connecting from an untrusted (external) dynamic IP address (including blackberries) then you need to use some form of SMTP authentication on the connection to verify that

Re: [sa] Re: Match returned message headers on any NDR

2010-04-15 Thread Charles Gregory
On Wed, 14 Apr 2010, Kris Deugau wrote: I have yet to figure out why people think it's a good idea to relay mail from your domain host to your ISP account (especially when the two are different companies) Do not mistake the following statement for any form of approval :) To many

Re: skipping dynamic tests for ISP's own dynamic networks?

2010-04-15 Thread Charles Gregory
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010, Royce Williams wrote: I will also file a bug to suggest updates to the *_networks language that is in direct contradiction to the advice in other parts of this thread. One thing I might add: It seemed to me that at certain points in the discussion there was confusion as

Re: FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS matches on text-to-email

2010-04-13 Thread Charles Gregory
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Seriously, you shouldn't be asking that question. The fundamental flaw here is in the assumption that an all-number mailbox user ID is virtually certain to be spam. It is not. Clearly, the default score assignment to that rule is too high.

Re: FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS matches on text-to-email

2010-04-13 Thread Charles Gregory
On Tue, 13 Apr 2010, Martin Gregorie wrote: header FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS From =~ /\d{6,}[a-z._-][a-z0-9._-]{0,50}@/i This regex requires that the 7th character be non-numeric. Look at the regex I posted It covers all cases with six leading digits that is not a purely numeric address.

Re: [sa] Re: FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS matches on text-to-email

2010-04-13 Thread Charles Gregory
On Tue, 13 Apr 2010, Martin Gregorie wrote: header FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS From =~ /\d{6,}[a-z._-][a-z0-9._-]{0,50}@/i This regex requires that the 7th character be non-numeric. Nope - only that a character after the first six is a legal address character but non-numeric. Hmmm My bad. I

Re: CLAMAV 0.95 to be disabled

2010-04-09 Thread Charles Gregory
Realize this is OT, and that even the instigation is OT :) But I'm hoping someone here just KNOWS 'rpm'. and can help... (Or can point me to the best forum for a quick answer) While attempting to use rpm on RH9 to update to a newer set of clamav packages, the rpm process locked up, and I had

Re: CLAMAV 0.95 to be disabled

2010-04-09 Thread Charles Gregory
OT - RPM On Fri, 9 Apr 2010, Daniel McDonald wrote: I'm currently trying 'rpm --rebuilddb' but it's just sitting there, and I've got a feeling it has locked-up too You've got to delete the __db.* files in /varlib/rpm before you run --rebuilddb I'm trying that now, but don't have much

Re: [sa] Re: CLAMAV 0.95 to be disabled

2010-04-09 Thread Charles Gregory
On Fri, 9 Apr 2010, Daniel McDonald wrote: You've got to delete the __db.* files in /varlib/rpm before you run --rebuilddb That worked. Thanks! (wiping brow with relief) - C

Re: Domain specific configuration files??

2010-04-07 Thread Charles Gregory
Rajesh M wrote: if you standard score is say : 5.0 you can write a header rule to allocate a positive or negative score if the to field contains the specific domain example required_score 5 header header1 To =~ /example1\.com/i score header1 -1 Your rule would not work with Bcc mail (for

Re: [sa] Re: Confused about how to use sa-update

2010-04-01 Thread Charles Gregory
On Thu, 1 Apr 2010, Phill Edwards wrote: actually posting to the right place! Is this the official spamassassin mailing list? Your own spam filter might be eating a lot of the messages? Try setting a rule to score -100 on mail received from apache.org... - C

Re: Limit SA to scan messages 100k and below

2010-03-31 Thread Charles Gregory
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010, Keith De Souza wrote: Sorry as I'm new to SA can you elaborated what you mean by glue? Geek terminology for the program, script or other mechanism that 'connects' your MTA and your SA. Ie. The calling MTA or its script must do the size check, then decide *whether* to

Re: Scanning large-body spam

2010-03-31 Thread Charles Gregory
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010, Henrik K wrote: SA 3.3 has special handling for truncated messages Excuse me for not *thinking* earlier, but it occurs to me that there is a very big drawback to *truncating* a message before passing it to SA, as opposed to my original request/suggestion to *flag*

Re: Scanning large-body spam

2010-03-31 Thread Charles Gregory
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010, Mark Martinec wrote: and let it handle arbitrary size messages by avoiding its current paradigm of keeping the entire message in memory. Is there really a problem with the in-memory size? I would have thought the major concern was the processing time for evaluating

Re: Mega-Spam

2010-03-30 Thread Charles Gregory
(Subject line changed to remove the 'flag' to developers) On Mon, 29 Mar 2010, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: .. But then again, this is a topic for the dev list [1] to start a discussion, not here. Uh, no, I'm not a developer. And the description of that list specifically says... For

ATTN DEVELOPERS: Mega-Spam

2010-03-29 Thread Charles Gregory
Literally, Mega-Spam. I just got a spam with 1MB of images. My suggestion has been made before, but I would like to ask that it now be taken a bit more seriously. SA needs an option to allow efficient 'partial' scanning of large e-mails, so that, for example, we can peform all the valuable

Re: ATTN DEVELOPERS: Mega-Spam

2010-03-29 Thread Charles Gregory
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: You did read the entire thread, right? :) There's nothing new about this. Moreover, this still is a rare occurrence. Note even Charles, who started this thread, claims to have received *one* such spam. And it appears to be his first. ;) Last

razor default in SA 3.3.1?

2010-03-25 Thread Charles Gregory
Hallo! Follow-up on SA 3.3.1 upgrade yesterday My system changes log reported the addition of several files named .razor/... which brought to my attentino that 'RAZOR2' tests are now enabled by default in SA 3.3.1 Is there anything that I should be concerned about? It seems to be

add_header + report_safe 0 positioning in 3.3.1

2010-03-25 Thread Charles Gregory
In case anyone else uses a script to scan the SA injected message headers to build log records (to detail matched tests, etc), and that script cares about the *order* of the headers, then please take note that in 3.3.1 the position of the 'report_safe 0' command in your .cf files relative to

Re: razor default in SA 3.3.1?

2010-03-25 Thread Charles Gregory
On Thu, 25 Mar 2010, Michael Scheidell wrote: (you using the freebsd SA port?) CentOS 4 (RHEL 4) rpm from rpmforge - C

Re: WARNING CENTOS USERS! BEWARE AUTO YUM INSTALL OF 3.3.1!

2010-03-25 Thread Charles Gregory
On Thu, 25 Mar 2010, fakessh wrote: I have different problems with latest spamassassin from rpmforge. it does not start Did you run sa-update as per my warning? - C

WARNING CENTOS USERS! BEWARE AUTO YUM INSTALL OF 3.3.1!

2010-03-24 Thread Charles Gregory
Had a nice HEART-STOPPING moment this morning! Logged in and found my mailbox had no new mail! WTF!?? Checked the logs and discovered that my nightly automatic updates via YUM had pulled in the new SA 3.3.1-3. WARNING: Centos does NOT run the required sa-update to get all the files

Re: [sa] correction: was: WARNING CENTOS USERS! BEWARE AUTO YUM INSTALL OF 3.3.1!

2010-03-24 Thread Charles Gregory
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010, R P Herrold wrote: WARNING: Centos does NOT run the required sa-update to get all the files into shape to run with the new SA engine! SA will ERROR. rather: ... some third-party repository packagings, oriented to be used on CentOS, do not ... Correct. My warning more

Re: [sa] Re: Yahoo/URL spam

2010-03-23 Thread Charles Gregory
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010, Alex wrote: This is what I have: /^[^a-z]{0,10}(http:\/\/|www\.)(\w+\.)+(com|net|org|biz|cn|ru)\/?[^ ]{0,20}[a-z]{0,10}$/msi My bad. I got an option wrong. Please remove the 'm' above. I always get it backwards. According to 'man perlre' (the definitive resource for SA

Re: Yahoo/URL spam

2010-03-22 Thread Charles Gregory
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010, Alex wrote: rawbody __BODY_ONLY_URI /^[^a-z]{0,10}(http:\/\/|www\.)(\w+\.)+(com|net|org|biz|cn|ru)\/?[^ ]{0,20}[^a-z]{0,10}$/msi This allows for some amount (up to ten chars?) of text before and after the URI if I'm reading that right, correct? Nope. With the /ms flags ^

Re: Yahoo/URL spam

2010-03-19 Thread Charles Gregory
On Thu, 18 Mar 2010, Ned Slider wrote: If that's not an option, how about a meta rule for FROM_YAHOO and __HAS_ANY_URI (this rule exists in SA). Lots of ham may contain a URI, but how much ham contains ONLY a URI? Rough outline of rule, untested. rawbody __BODY_ONLY_URI

Re: Hijacked thread :) (was: ruleset for German...)

2010-03-16 Thread Charles Gregory
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: The TextCat plugin. Even part of stock SA, though not enabled by default. Supports per-user settings. (nod) For reasons specific to my MTA, I can't run SA 'per user', but I can choose the most common languages (en fr) in our system's mail and

Re: [sa] Re: ruleset for German Bettchen and Schlafzimmer spam

2010-03-15 Thread Charles Gregory
On Sun, 14 Mar 2010, Jörg Frings-Fürst wrote: take a look at http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/CustomRulesets and search to German Language Ruleset. H. I guess this goes back to my inquiry about the Brazilian spam I'm still looking for a way (hopefully) to simply identify the

Re: [sa] Re: Bogus mails from hijacked accounts

2010-03-12 Thread Charles Gregory
On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Dennis B. Hopp wrote: describe FORGED_YAHOO Yahoo with non-Yahoo Reply-to address header __FORGED_YH1 From =~ /\...@yahoo\.com/i header __FORGED_YH2 Reply-to =~ /\...@yahoo\.com/i meta FORGED_YAHOO (__FORGED_YH1 !__FORGED_YH2) The problem with this

Re: SMTP REJECT after DATA (was: SpamAssassin Milter Plugin...)

2010-03-10 Thread Charles Gregory
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010, R-Elists wrote: Charles Gregory Quote:Re: [sa] Re: SMTP REJECT after DATA The only efficiency to be gained is to reject as much as possible after the RCPT_TO, before accepting DATA. But for systems like mine, with lousy user cooperation, rejecting some of the mail after DATA

Re: [sa] Inconsistent Application of Rules?

2010-03-10 Thread Charles Gregory
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010, Stephen Carville wrote: I've been seeing several emails lately that are being scored low that, from what I know of the SA rules should be scored higher. A recent example was a typical spam message: FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,URIBL_AB_SURBL,URIBL_JP_SURBL,

Re: [sa] Re: End of Thread [Was: [Emerging-Sigs] SIG: SpamAssassin Milter Plugin Remote Arbitrary Command Injection Attempt]

2010-03-09 Thread Charles Gregory
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Ned Slider wrote: It's clear you either haven't read or haven't understood what Kai wrote, which btw was spot on. More attitude. Yeesh. Kai has an opinion. And in fairness, I give his arguments some serious weight. It's not black-n-white. But this attitude that he/you

Re: [sa] Re: [Emerging-Sigs] SIG: SpamAssassin Milter Plugin Remote Arbitrary Command Injection Attempt

2010-03-09 Thread Charles Gregory
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Brian wrote: I'm happy to stay on the Postfix 'merry-go-round' for an answer, or we can just agree Postfix can't easily do this and move on and stop flogging this dead horse :-) I use Mail Avenger for a front end SMTP Says it all - Charles

SMTP REJECT after DATA (was: SpamAssassin Milter Plugin...)

2010-03-09 Thread Charles Gregory
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Kai Schaetzl wrote: Second: you are completely misguided in your wish to reject mail after SMTP data stage. You may certainly argue for YOUR preference (and I emphasise *preference*) for the most 'efficient' way to run an SMTP server, but there is nothing sufficiently

Re: [sa] Re: SMTP REJECT after DATA (was: SpamAssassin Milter Plugin...)

2010-03-09 Thread Charles Gregory
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Kai Schaetzl wrote: and you find it doesn't make sense to spam-scan messages and reject them in/after DATA stage in a real world scenario. You ignore my arguments. Hardly surprising. You reword yours, but say nothing new. It makes only sense if you are die-hard

Re: [sa] Re: SMTP REJECT after DATA

2010-03-09 Thread Charles Gregory
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Andy Dorman wrote: So even if we can decide an email is spam before the DATA stage, it makes no difference since we have to store the thing for a while anyway in case the user wants to look for something caught that shouldn't be. (nod) To rely on this methodology requires

Re: [sa] Re: SMTP REJECT after DATA

2010-03-09 Thread Charles Gregory
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, David Morton wrote: Charles Gregory wrote: Indeed, it makes far LESS sense to have a system accept mail but send it to a spam folder. Maybe in your particular situation, but you can hardly apply that to everyone (nod) It was subject to the conditions I consider 'wide

Re: [sa] Re: SMTP REJECT after DATA

2010-03-09 Thread Charles Gregory
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: There are other reasons not to do this, for instance legal ones. Again, you are quoting arguments that favor SMTP reject. It is better to reject a mail, so that legitimate senders know it, rather than have them believe it was delivered when it was

Re: [sa] Re: SMTP REJECT after DATA

2010-03-09 Thread Charles Gregory
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: It is NOT illegal to break a contract. It's called 'fraud'. Look it up. No, sorry, it's NOT fraud. Fraud requires proving an intentional misrepresentation. Well duh. Did you think I meant something else? Breaking a contract does not imply that

Spanish/Brazilian/Mexican spam

2010-03-08 Thread Charles Gregory
Hello! I think I asked about this once before. I keep getting foreign language spams with noobvious (to me) indicators that I could test for Can anyone take a look at this crud and see a header or flag/type that I could score in SA? http://pastebin.com/3gGiaZVK (Note: post is set to

Re: UPS Delivery Problems

2010-03-03 Thread Charles Gregory
On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, twofers wrote: I have been getting bombarded for weeks with these and even tho I have created specific rules in LOCAL.cf, Spamassassin refuses to even check The only reason for SA to 'refuse' to check a mail is if it exceeds the SIZE LIMIT for scanning. This limit is most

Re: [sa] Re: is this right? uribl_dbl seems to have a very odd number

2010-03-03 Thread Charles Gregory
On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Bill Landry wrote: Yeah. You shouldn't be using it like that on 3.3.0. Go to http://www.spamhaus.org/dbl and look for SpamAssassin on the FAQ page. The DBL entries were added via sa-update yesterday, not added manually - at least for me. Anytime someone uses a new concept,

Re: [sa] Putting your dead domains to use

2010-03-02 Thread Charles Gregory
On Mon, 1 Mar 2010, Marc Perkel wrote: For what it's worth - if any of you have domains you don't use you can point them to my virus harvesting server for spam harvesting. (SNIP) The sender has to do several other things in order to be blacklisted. Simple question: Does your 'harvester' have

Re: [sa] Setting Blacklist_from and whitelist_to

2010-03-01 Thread Charles Gregory
On Sun, 28 Feb 2010, damuz wrote: Secondly, it occurred to me that all the (legit) mail to us will only be to a handful of email addresses and much of the spam still getting through is sent to spurious recipie...@mydomain.com. So with this in mind, is it useful or advisable to setup those legit

Re: [sa] Re: Finding URLs in html attachments

2010-03-01 Thread Charles Gregory
On Sun, 28 Feb 2010, LuKreme wrote: Your best bet is to check if mail claiming to be from paypal is, in fact, from paypal. Actually, I think his problem is that the reference to paypal has been buried in an attachment, described as 'type' of 'octet/binary' so that SA won't think it is text

Re: [sa] Re: Finding URLs in html attachments

2010-03-01 Thread Charles Gregory
On Mon, 1 Mar 2010, David B Funk wrote: Looks like he may have to use a 'full' test to look for the references to paypal Been there, done that, doesn't work. AFAIK SA ignores 'octet/binary' attachments for the rule engine. None of the rules that I tried (uri, body, full, rawbody) saw

Re: Off-topic? Off-list!

2010-02-26 Thread Charles Gregory
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: I know I'm tired from repeatedly deleting clearly off-topic posts without even caring to open them. Wonder how the majority of subscribers feels about it. Well, there was a posting with some spam-related SPF stats the other day that proved very

tflags userconf

2010-02-26 Thread Charles Gregory
Hallo! Back on topic :) I happened to notice that 'tflags userconf' was specified for a few tests that, as far as I could tell have on user configurable parameters. Example (3.2.5): 25_spf.cf:tflags SPF_PASS nice userconf So what 'user configuration' is needed for

Re: tflags userconf

2010-02-26 Thread Charles Gregory
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010, RW wrote: I'm guessing it's also used to exclude rules from score optimization. There is a comment in 25_spf.cf: # these are userconf so that scores are set by hand tflags SPF_PASS nice userconf net tflags SPF_HELO_PASSnice userconf net Ah. I

Re: Off-topic? Off-list!

2010-02-26 Thread Charles Gregory
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: Don't make me stomp my foot (Homer Simpson). LOL would you believe that someone in my girlfriend's computer class actually *said* to the instructor that famous Homerism, Where is the ANY key? Yes, really. And they are old enough to

Re: Off Topic - SPF - What a Disaster

2010-02-26 Thread Charles Gregory
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010, Benny Pedersen wrote: On Fri 26 Feb 2010 06:50:12 PM CET, Marc Perkel wrote And - SPF was originally introduced as a spam fighting solution. alot of lies out there Okay, this is getting stupid. Everyone on this thread, go to: http://www.openspf.org/Introduction

Re: Is there any Plugin to parse the “quoted email text” part in a mail (replied mail part)

2010-02-26 Thread Charles Gregory
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010, LuKreme wrote: On 26-Feb-10 11:31, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: Uhm, what's with your real name? (Rewritten in RE style.) How do you pronounce *82* f's in a row? Fff for 8.2 seconds. That's ten fs a second? Wow. Fast little F'er.

Re: [sa] Re: Bogus Dollar Amounts

2010-02-25 Thread Charles Gregory
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010, John Hardin wrote: i still see lot of junk mail coming with different charecters, i do not even read them clearly how can i stop those kind of emails Reject languages you can't read at SMTP time? I've been noticing more 'foreign language' spams that do not use a

Re: SA on outgoing SMTP

2010-02-17 Thread Charles Gregory
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010, Kris Deugau wrote: My experience has been that Outlook in particular (not Outlook Express or its descendant Windows (Live) Mail) does NOT in fact display SMTP error messages exactly as the server spits them out. :( Sorry. You've heard that old phrase goes without saying?

Re: SA on outgoing SMTP

2010-02-16 Thread Charles Gregory
Slightly OT. To get 'control' of what my MX does at SMTP time I installed a simple SMTP daemon called 'Mail Avenger', which acts as a front end to my spamassassin and postfix. It's scripting capabilties allow for such interesting things as tracking the volume of mail sent by any one IP over

Re: [sa] Re: MTX - How does it stop spam?

2010-02-16 Thread Charles Gregory
On Tue, 16 Feb 2010, Kris Deugau wrote: *nod* This is the biggest question I still see remaining; who maintains the blacklist? How many spams can come from an MTX-approved IP before it can/should be blacklisted? Why do we need any new/special blacklist at all? If the spamming from a given

Re: MTX public blacklist implemented Re: MTX plugin functionally complete?

2010-02-15 Thread Charles Gregory
On Sun, 14 Feb 2010, Jonas Eckerman wrote: 1: The participation record is optional, so you only use it if you want everything else to be rejected. This is why I would support mtamark... It permits the sysadmin to determine the default behaviour for his IP range, rather than defining a

Re: MTX public blacklist implemented Re: MTX plugin functionally complete?

2010-02-15 Thread Charles Gregory
On Tue, 16 Feb 2010, Jonas Eckerman wrote: 1: The participation record is optional, so you only use it if you want everything else to be rejected. This is why I would support mtamark... It permits the sysadmin to determine the default behaviour for his IP range, rather than defining a

Re: bayes learning '0 messages found'

2010-02-13 Thread Charles Gregory
On Sat, 13 Feb 2010, smfabac wrote: Now that we're all on the same page. How do I find out why sa-learn is not processing the legal not-spam file? To re-cap, sa-learn --spam --mbox isspam works but sa-learn --ham --mbox not-spam is not working. Well, I would expect if this suggestion were

Re: MTX plugin created (Re: Spam filtering similar to SPF, less breakage)

2010-02-13 Thread Charles Gregory
On Sat, 13 Feb 2010, Per Jessen wrote: Justin Mason wrote: It might be useful to compare with MTA MARK and see what the status of that proposal currently is: http://tools.ietf.org/draft/draft-stumpf-dns-mtamark/ Amazing. Justin, you must have known about that one - you can't possibly have

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