Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

2015-10-21 Thread Gnangarra
" it's not good to give publicly comments on the candidates." Why is that > so? > And candidates? To what? ​To answer that second part first where ever the affiliates as group are represented by an individual. The first part is simple privacy and doing no harm to that individual ​ On 21

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

2015-10-29 Thread Gnangarra
While I agree that there is a necessity to link pages through Wikidata I'm with Risker such a message would itself become a barrier to the creation of content, we have enough of those already. We are forgetting that the people doing the edits do so as volunteers not paid employees, they do so for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Design] 'Design team' in Wikimedia contexts

2015-11-11 Thread Gnangarra
the more you mess around with name changes the harder it becomes for the community to follow who is doing what and why. Thats just for those of us who are english speakers I would hate be someone who doesnt speak english trying to follow the changes On 11 November 2015 at 16:53, Quim Gil

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Celebrating Parisian culture and libertarianism

2015-11-15 Thread Gnangarra
Not sure we should be making such a link as the events in Paris are not about Islam just as the actions of the women in Kentucky was not a reflection of Christianity. Paris is not the only place its unfortunately its not even the latest place to fall victim to ISIS. Wikimedia is a world wide

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Celebrating Parisian culture and libertarianism

2015-11-16 Thread Gnangarra
also what > > actually > > > connect people and allow them to help each other, and to help prevent > > > tragedies like these. > > > > > > But if you really don't wish to see this discussed, then simply do not > > > discuss it. Don't tell people

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Celebrating Parisian culture and libertarianism

2015-11-16 Thread Gnangarra
e of > > how > > > faith-based beliefs may be completely harmless depending on what the > > claims > > > are. However, I do think religion is one of the ways some people get > off > > > the rails, and that this is a problem that goes largely underestimated

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

2015-11-03 Thread Gnangarra
messages - but will check. That is not > intentional. > > Perhaps the moderated message you are referring to is from your email to > AffCom? > > -greg > > ___ > Sent from my iPhone - a more detailed response may be sent later. > > > On Nov 3, 2015, at 6

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

2015-11-03 Thread Gnangarra
just an observation, I tried responding to a discussion on that list, now I've already jumped through the ID hoops and shown I'm part of an affiliate yet my messages are moderated, to me that seams kind of point;less, like to cause disjointed discussion, give the impression that the list is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Q1 Fundraising Update

2015-11-03 Thread Gnangarra
I think the PR people really need to be more reflective in the reasons and uses of the donations in their messages because its rather easy to show the inconsistancy between the message and the use of donated funds... IMHO some of the drop off in donations is due to this lack reflectivity in the

[Wikimedia-l] TPP - copyright

2015-11-06 Thread Gnangarra
We have a new problem to face in the coming months assuming countries ratify the Trans Pacific Partnership https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Partnership The text of the agreement has been released in the last 24 hours, early commentary is indicating that copyright changes will occur

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Number of new User Groups

2015-10-18 Thread Gnangarra
Every country is different, in Australia you cant have a bank account for a User group without being registered, you cant work with GLAM without having public liability insurance for which the UG needs to be registered to obtain. If you operate unregistered all members are personally legally

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Number of new User Groups

2015-10-19 Thread Gnangarra
being able to seek assistance and advice from Affcom for specific needs is good concept because no matter how large the organisation mentoring in an invaluable service we can all use. The issue will be in ensuring the mentors have the skills, the knowledge and importantly the time(at the right

[Wikimedia-l] help needed - Arkansas

2015-10-13 Thread Gnangarra
by, nearest user group is in North Carolina with a smaller area of interest, and the only experienced editors(10,000+ edits) listed on the en Wikiproject Arkansas havent been active in the last 6 months -- ​Gnangarra President Wikimedia Australia WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki

Re: [Wikimedia-l] help needed - Arkansas

2015-10-14 Thread Gnangarra
lt;jane...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Arkansas is considered one of the "fly-over" states. Good luck locating > a > >> Wikipedian somewhere around there, not to mention a Wikimedian. > >> > >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 7:38 AM, Gnangarra <gnanga

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Earth 2015 winners announced!

2015-10-15 Thread Gnangarra
IMHO the winner is not the best example of contributing to Commons as the high resolution image wasnt uploaded until after it had been announced as the winner and when you read the rules it says "*Please submit images that are as large as possible and do not “downsize for the web”. We value high

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Number of new User Groups

2015-10-18 Thread Gnangarra
Any process that divides the community isnt good for the community, we already seeing the effects of poor decisions being taken by groups and individuals acting in isolation On 18 October 2015 at 20:02, Leigh Thelmadatter wrote: > Im not sure now is the right time to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] help needed - Arkansas

2015-10-14 Thread Gnangarra
and ability to do outreach don't > necessarily correlate that well - someone with a few hundred edits can be a > great contact point for a cultural institution and someone with tends of > thousands can be a poor one... :) ) > > Chris > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 12:33 PM

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

2015-10-21 Thread Gnangarra
the proliferation of lists is also an issue as someone who's been on a chapter committee for 2 years and going into my third finding the right lists to join is a problem. When you rely solely on electronic means of contact you never get the knowledge of the where discussions are taking place and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

2015-10-07 Thread Gnangarra
tting somewhat tangled at this point. > > Joe > > -- ​Gnangarra ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on carrying the Wikimania conversation forward

2015-10-12 Thread Gnangarra
I would be careful but using the Wikimania to forward some phases of the discussion in person because many people dont get the opportunity to attend in person and the last thing this process needs now is another barrier to community participation On 13 October 2015 at 00:55, Siko Bouterse

[Wikimedia-l] Biggest disappointment from Wikimania 2017

2015-10-05 Thread Gnangarra
This has been going on for three days, yet not one person involved in this decision has take a moment to reachout personally to the people who worked on bids, They have tabled justifications on list discussions, they have changed the status of Meta pages but not once have they given anyone the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

2015-10-09 Thread Gnangarra
at 09:06, Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm not sure what you mean by "knocked back," Gnangarra, but the WMF > response to that grant proposal looks thoughtful and aimed at finding a > viable solution at some point in the future. > > > https://meta.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

2015-10-09 Thread Gnangarra
> > > > Why not organise WikiOz, or WikiOceana? > ​​ > > ​We tried that https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:PEG/WM_AU/Wikiconference_Australia_2015 a​nd was knocked back for the funding needed to make it happen. > > -- > ​be fon​ > > Andy Mabbett > @pigsonthewing >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

2015-10-06 Thread Gnangarra
On 6 October 2015 at 15:15, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > Theoretically you are right, you COULD restart the process for a next year. > That is quite a professional attitude. Ask yourself, is that the kind of > effort you can ask of volunteers.. Be reasonable. It is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

2015-10-04 Thread Gnangarra
On 4 October 2015 at 15:17, Mathias Damour wrote: > Le 04/10/2015 05:36, Craig Franklin a écrit : > >> I take your point Pine, but "improving communication with the community" >> seems to have been a WMF priority for as long as I can remember, yet there >> doesn't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

2015-10-05 Thread Gnangarra
Everyone knows that when bidding there is a lot of work to be done that may not produce your desired result, its also common for there to be multiple bids. Something that is being missed is that the bidding process isnt a waste of effort, in creating a bid you also create contacts and connections

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

2015-10-05 Thread Gnangarra
I think we are stuck with Montreal and to change now isnt going address the problems this decision has created, no matter how the poor situation thats been created is remedied every outcome will be a poisoned challis. There are measures IMHO that the WMF should take to ensure the people who

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on carrying the Wikimania conversation forward

2015-10-06 Thread Gnangarra
interesting suggestions Pete but the published timeline is based on the published process which has now been marked as obsolete/historical. We also know none of that process had been followed nor was there any intention to follow that process. Are you seriously suggesting people continue to put

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why are we so boring?

2015-12-08 Thread Gnangarra
maybe the movement needs to get a few more Australians around events to liven things up, as its never boring here... we'll even bring drop bears and other furry creatures to keep people on their toes  On 8 December 2015 at 21:47, Anders Wennersten

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

2015-12-02 Thread Gnangarra
29 million photos, 30 seconds type category:coffee cups https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Coffee_cups 90 photos subcategory cups of coffee a further 700 images not really difficult to find or navigate to what you need. There is no excuse for fundraising team to not use a Free licensed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation IEG program will fund 14 community-led projects

2015-12-04 Thread Gnangarra
would it be possible to hear some the more significant but general reasonings behind the why the 15 get funded so that the community take those lesson on board as well. On 5 December 2015 at 12:01, Lila Tretikov wrote: > Thank you Marti, committee. And congratulation to all

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

2015-12-03 Thread Gnangarra
hold it, back up the truck for a moment If the WMF has a fundraising team and a PR/media team why is it paying a third party to provide the banners surely someone should be able to design them in house, what about someone from the design teams working on other projects. If no one has the skills

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

2015-12-02 Thread Gnangarra
sing data. The approach is way too dogmatic as well. So no, > thank you. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 2 December 2015 at 23:56, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > 29 million photos, 30 seconds type category:coffee cups > > https://commons.wikim

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-07 Thread Gnangarra
Criag is right this cant be fixed within the database because the data base is applying one truth where there is no one truth for everyone. This will always be the single biggest flaw of Wikidata no matter how data is presented it can never be the absolute truth unless its measurable through some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Branislav Jovanovic, User:BraneJ in critical condition

2015-12-11 Thread Gnangarra
On behalf of Wikimedia Australia, Australian contributors and myself our condolences to all who knew him, thank you Milos for sharing our care & concern for Brane with Brane before he passed. -Gideon On 11 December 2015 at 21:59, Gregory Varnum wrote: > Tragic news.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-10 Thread Gnangarra
kipedia articles had 0-3 statements, I would probably > update those. > > On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Lydia Pintscher < > lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de> wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 1:15 AM, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Criag i

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-13 Thread Gnangarra
this is the issue in quality ​ > If Google uses our data and they are wrong, that's bad for them.​ Under CC) license when Google uses the information they dont need to attribute Wikidata, if that "wrong" data came from WD --> google ---> news source ---> WP not only has it been washed its now

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2016-01-02 Thread Gnangarra
The sky isnt falling yes it wasnt optimally handled and yes it caught the community by surprise but lets be careful here. We cant sit back and enjoy the holiday season while expecting everyone else to be dropping everything and running into to the office

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-20 Thread Gnangarra
This is going nowhere, one of the big issues is that there is a lack of understanding on how WikiData works and whats it purpose is. Wikimedia Australia solution is invest community money into bringing someone who has contributed to Wikidata to Australia to do a series of talks and workshops

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 to be held in Montréal in Canada

2015-12-22 Thread Gnangarra
wrote: > congratulations > ​, and what about 2018, ​I still support north africa, and Tunis exactly > > > Le mar. 22 déc. 2015 12:27, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > > this has been known for ages the process was usurped from the community > > really dont

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 to be held in Montréal in Canada

2015-12-22 Thread Gnangarra
this has been known for ages the process was usurped from the community really dont see a lot to celebrate or to congratulate anyone about... yes I was the leader of one bid for 2017 that had followed the published process On 22 December 2015 at 19:05, Rodrigo Padula

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-20 Thread Gnangarra
there is a compromise license cc-by without the sa On 20 December 2015 at 21:38, Lydia Pintscher wrote: > On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > Lydia, > > > > I can only relate my impressions to you. The first two items I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-29 Thread Gnangarra
> > This is when sources truly become vital. But do > remember, the POV of the USA and many of its sources are as suspect as > those from Kazakhstan. ​And that is why regardless of the fact a citation is so important, ​ ​because the person receiving the information must able to make their own

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-29 Thread Gnangarra
there are bigger questions than why like; - how can this take place - how can the community ensure its representatives independence in the future, - what effect will this have on other elected representatives on the board The Florida statute(

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-29 Thread Gnangarra
ources. Quality is more than that. > Thanks, >GerardM > > On 29 December 2015 at 13:27, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > This is when sources truly become vital. But do > > > remember, the POV of the USA and ma

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-11-27 Thread Gnangarra
Disclaimer first - I'm not exactly conversant in the intricacies of WikiData, if I was to take the information on 14th Dalai Lama https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Dalai_Lama it links to Wikidata at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q17293 the en article has 2 references that list his date of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-11-28 Thread Gnangarra
> > While I happily agree that Sources are good, I will not ask people to start > adding Sources at this point of time it will not improve quality > signifcantly. It makes more sense once we are at a stage where multiple > sources disagree on values for statements. Adding sources is signifcantly >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-11-24 Thread Gnangarra
this isnt about how or whats of Google its about ensuring that what we do is trustworthy On 25 November 2015 at 08:12, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 11:26 PM, Leila Zia wrote: > > > > > It's worth mentioning: > > > > Dominant search

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-11-20 Thread Gnangarra
> > ... > *When 100% is compared with another source and 85% is the same,**you only > have to check 15% and decide what is righ**t* ​this very statement highlights one issue that ​ ​will always be a problem between Wikidata and Wikipedias. Wikipedia, at least in my 10 years of experience on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising Update

2015-11-20 Thread Gnangarra
opened firefox this morning, now maybe its because the coffee kicked in earlier today I noticed this for the first time, it reads very much like what I've seen in previous years on Wikipedia banners, I think the fundraising team should be aware of this because it may be a cause behind the messages

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-11-23 Thread Gnangarra
some resposnes to Leila comments 1. Its not a disaster but it is a serious concern, we know from past experiences that it goes to the heart of the projects long term credibility, Countless hours and funds have gone into redressing Wikipedias reputation and still after 8 years of doing this we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community revitalization

2015-11-17 Thread Gnangarra
Peter that would be very useful both the contributors and to readers On 18 November 2015 at 14:00, Peter Southwood wrote: > How about a tool to look up in Wiktionary from Wikipedia? > Cheers, > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-11-21 Thread Gnangarra
negligent in stating sources. The worst > example is in the "primary sources" tool. It is bad because it is brought > to us as the best work flow for adding uncertain data to Wikidata. So the > world is not perfect but hey it is a wiki :) > Thanks, > GerardM > > On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-11-21 Thread Gnangarra
t. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 21 November 2015 at 10:26, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Many data sources have data from the same origin. It does not follow > that > > > without original sources they are all right. Quite th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on WMF Governance reviews

2016-06-02 Thread Gnangarra
I have a couple of concerns, a review has the potential to stagnate the WMF as indicated from WMConf in Berlin thats already a problem and its impacting regular activities that take longer to organise. Traditionally WLE offers a trip to Wikimania that fine this year as its offering Montreal but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on WMF Governance reviews

2016-06-03 Thread Gnangarra
hat when its implemented more energy and resources are spent placating the community and fixing problems than was spent in making the original decision. On 4 June 2016 at 03:35, Michael Peel <em...@mikepeel.net> wrote: > Hi Gnangarra, (and a reply to one of Anders' points below) > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Form 990 for FY 2014-2015 now on-wiki

2016-06-05 Thread Gnangarra
this is worth reading http://www.fastcoexist.com/3060455/future-of-philanthropy/demanding-that-nonprofits-not-pay-for-overhead-is-preventing-them-fro On 5 June 2016 at 16:23, Fæ wrote: > On 5 June 2016 at 02:28, Liam Wyatt wrote: > > On Sunday, 5 June

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Form 990 for FY 2014-2015 now on-wiki

2016-05-31 Thread Gnangarra
but that does make sense in some ways as you'd expect the WMF legal be able to review most written issues and deal with initial contact issues. As an issue deepens then its only logical to have legal hand over the case to a local practitioner who is licensed and has the depth of knowledge specific

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Better thankspam

2016-01-14 Thread Gnangarra
Crikey, balance, spam, dont contribute, very little contribution, +1 pile on (though we dont see many -1 pile ons). we are society/community that works because we collaborate we assume good faith int he actions of others, we know that while we speak(email) in english many of us have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "9 annoying nonprofit trends that need to die"

2016-02-07 Thread Gnangarra
Some Wikipedians in Residence also get paid for their work, saying "Wikipedia is written by volunteers" is honest and doesnt have the puffary of 100%. As a community we are working to create more activities, projects and partnerships with GLAM where the people participating are being paid to edit

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Outcomes from the Consultation on Wikimedia movement conferences/Wikimania

2016-02-09 Thread Gnangarra
> > ​ > On behalf of the Wikimania Committee, I would like to thank everyone who took part and the Community Resources team for organising this discussion. The Committee will consider these recommendations and will then come back > with some changes to our processes. > ​Ellie started the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reducing the net cost of Wikimania

2016-02-10 Thread Gnangarra
While everyone keeps looking at the cost thats not the question we should be asking, because even if the costs were reduced to 500,000, 100,00 or even 10,000 ​that doesnt reflect the value we get from the in person contacts, the global connections the sharing of experiences, learning of concepts,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-27 Thread Gnangarra
Another thread thats digressed from its original question but right through the discussion not one person raised the concept that that the WMF is a charity (An organization, the objective of which is to carry out a charitable purpose) our purpose is to share the sum of all knowledge, think about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?

2016-02-12 Thread Gnangarra
some rules and guidelines are a throw back to earlier years and should be adjusted for rather than given significance over current practices. where once a donation of 100,00 was considered potentially as content influencing now its appreciated for what it is, the reality is that its not the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?

2016-02-14 Thread Gnangarra
FYI making main stream media http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-15/wikimedia-foundation-aims-to-take-on-google-in-search/7168840 On 14 February 2016 at 00:49, Anthony Cole wrote: > Anne, we're talking about almost the same thing, but not exactly. I say > "advised" you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reducing the net cost of Wikimania

2016-02-18 Thread Gnangarra
The first thing that happens when you split up something like Wikimania in multiple events is you multiple the cost of WMF attendance because they need to deliver the same messages multiple times, an alternative decision to restrict who goes where you run into the issue of regions being treated

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

2016-03-18 Thread Gnangarra
some of the issue stems form the copyright laws of Angola, which are really interesting to read -- read them in english -- https://www.copyright-watch.org/files/Angola.pdf of course I dont expect people to know their copyright laws in detail or to have read them but they do know the principles of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-03-11 Thread Gnangarra
Why Anthony On 26 January 2016 at 20:46, Anthony Cole wrote: > Yes, Aubrey. It would be way too onerous to expect us to make each > citation a Wikidata item. If you use the currently available templates to format your citation then its possible to extract this information

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliate-selected Board seats update

2016-03-11 Thread Gnangarra
It would be interesting to see how affiliates do make decision in this process as we have only 6 weeks(4 after the endorsements are finalised) from close of nominations to final voting Wikimedia Australia has invited it members to consider the list of nominations and whether the community will

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons search display results

2016-03-30 Thread Gnangarra
Already possible to get a grid of images in commons Start in Category:Lichens https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Lichens then use the FastCCI tool https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:FastCCI It returns

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Freedom of Panorama] Sign our online petition !

2016-04-05 Thread Gnangarra
Signed and Shared in Australia by Wikimedia Australia on our Facebook page On 5 April 2016 at 21:49, Anne-Laure Prévost wrote: > Dear all, > > On the occasion of the drafting of the Digital republic bill - which you > may

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Kenya - copyright infringement

2016-04-10 Thread Gnangarra
wouldnt wikipedia kenya be at ke.wikipedia.org not wikipedia.or.ke On 10 April 2016 at 19:31, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: > http://www.wikipedia.or.ke/ now has ads dancing around the screen, the > donate link is gone, and the privacy policy and general disclaimer > have been

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [recent changes]

2016-04-11 Thread Gnangarra
This is one inherrant problem with COI those who get stuff done are forced to sit out discussions in preference for those who spend all their time talking and producing nothing. What we end up with is not leadership, its not project experience, its bureaucracy with out any true direction where

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

2016-03-19 Thread Gnangarra
On 19 March 2016 at 19:30, Benjamin Lees <emufarm...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 7:50 PM, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > of course I dont expect > > people to know their copyright laws in detail or to have read them but > they > > d

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Case for Federation: Should Parts of WMF Be Spun Off?

2016-03-19 Thread Gnangarra
in breaking up (spinning parts off) the WMF we run the risk of creating silos of information, knowledge and disconnecting one speciality from another preventing cross pollination of ideas and innovation. It also breaks the collaborative core of the projects which has created what we enjoy and at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiProject Accuracy

2016-03-25 Thread Gnangarra
maybe I've been around for too long but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team rings a bell or two, I'm sure its still used by editors and projects to "grade" articles with most projects having their own internal assessment areas both on quality and importance then we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Access and Participation in the ASBS

2016-03-06 Thread Gnangarra
You would think though that someone who wanted to represent all of the affiliates would endeavor to have their statement translated into as many languages as possible to ensure their message got heard by the most amount of people, even if they did it themselves using one of the many translation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Access and Participation in the ASBS

2016-03-06 Thread Gnangarra
Agree with John here we are talking about two distinct needs one is the candidates being able to communicate within the boards hence the need for english, the second which is equally important is the need for Affiliates to be able to engage their community in the decision process and its here

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Armenia candidate for the board

2016-03-02 Thread Gnangarra
so much for "Assume good faith" On 3 March 2016 at 08:31, Cristian Consonni wrote: > 2016-03-03 1:20 GMT+01:00 Andreas Kolbe : > > I think that top-level government interference in Wikipedia harms people > in > > the movement and its mission,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Case for Federation: Should Parts of WMF Be Spun Off?

2016-03-28 Thread Gnangarra
Spinning off comes with issues, as we will encounter issues like we currently have with the QRpedia coding as thats now under the control of WMUK all of the data being collected is sbject to UK provacy issues that resulted in all the reporting functions being shut down... We also add to the issue

Re: [Wikimedia-l] election for 2 seats on WMF board of trustees ends May 7...

2016-05-03 Thread Gnangarra
Agree Sam additionally it'd be even more grueling for some candidates who would be expected to field these calls at 2-3 in the morning and then be compared to someone who was fortunate enough to have their chat at 2-3 in the afternoon.. As for publishing a list of who voted I see no issue with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Spam] Re: Affiliate Selected Board Seats - Result

2016-05-10 Thread Gnangarra
Congratulations from Wikimedia Australia and our thanks to those who did the organising. Its a great outcome with some wonderful and talented people being put forward to the BoT. Lets makes this the start of a closer cooperation between all of the affiliates to help everyone achieve the best

Re: [Wikimedia-l] election for 2 seats on WMF board of trustees ends May 7...

2016-05-03 Thread Gnangarra
We should be careful in not shaming communities to vote poorly to save face, or even vote for people they dont want as some may truly feel that the candidates who have nominated wont be a good representative of the community. The individual votes are visable to every affiliate who has access to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] [Wikimania Committee] Wikimania 2018

2016-07-23 Thread Gnangarra
thanks that seams to work, its now awaiting moderator approval On 24 July 2016 at 10:38, Joseph Fox <josephfoxw...@gmail.com> wrote: > Gnangarra - perhaps it should be wikimania-...@lists.wikimedia.org ? > > On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 at 01:27 Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> w

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] [Wikimania Committee] Wikimania 2018

2016-07-23 Thread Gnangarra
well tried to submit Perth bid to the email supplied and the response was; Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: wikimania-...@wikimedia.org Technical details of permanent failure: Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the server for the recipient

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

2017-02-02 Thread Gnangarra
The WMF has an obligation to respond to any changes where its based that impact on the movement or potentially impact on the movement, and that includes staff members or operational activities under taken. It cant respond to such changes without taking a POV regardless of the situation its not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread Gnangarra
of the problem On 8 February 2017 at 16:22, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote: > trying to understand the process as well as the why here, > > what I see at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reports is that they havent > supplied the 2015-16 report they report on the period 1 J

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread Gnangarra
t 9:22 AM, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Observation: When we place trust within the projects and the community it > > appears that we like to grab the biggest stick possible to whack people > > with it with at the first opportunity. > > > I am

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread Gnangarra
trying to understand the process as well as the why here, what I see at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reports is that they havent supplied the 2015-16 report they report on the period 1 Jul to 30 Jun (same as WMAU). On September 9 2016 they were asked to furnish this report and given until 1

Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-Recognition of Affiliates with Long-standing Non-Compliance

2017-02-05 Thread Gnangarra
​In response to James comment​ > The Wikimedia movement which is a combination of the WMF, chapters and > thorgs, along with the communities represent Wikipedia. ​The Chapters dont represent Wikipedia we support the contributors to Wikipedia and the other projects as well as promote the reuse

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-28 Thread Gnangarra
> > Nathan said "*its only reasonable to consider a move of core **assets > somewhere safer from the unspooling of Western social fabric* > ​.. > *This is more challenging than I expected. Where will​ ​* > *we find some place that is protected from the pernicious threats that > beset​ ​**the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-28 Thread Gnangarra
In this case I think its more than the projects that need to be protected, there are a lot of resources based in the US that may need to be distributed on a wider base including personal/private data already collected by the WMF. There are already practical challenges ahead with US visa changes

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF advanced permissions for employees

2017-02-18 Thread Gnangarra
what this discussion reveals is that; 1. the people here want to know who at the WMF has what permissions, and a when why they were granted 2. they want a system thats has good checks and balances, 3. there is want to be able to be "consulted' during the process of Global bans.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF advanced permissions for employees

2017-02-18 Thread Gnangarra
would appeal, turning WMF-issued ban into a [how > to call this group?]-issued ban. > > Vito > > 2017-02-18 15:05 GMT+01:00 Olatunde Isaac <reachout2is...@gmail.com>: > > > Gnangarra raised some valid and interesting points here. Well, I don't > > have problems with WM

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing Conference Grants application deadlines

2017-01-18 Thread Gnangarra
This is nice idea to make it easier for WMF and those deciding but waiting three months to apply for funding assistance is going to put pressure on volunteers and see a lot of funds lost due to necessity of make bookings, paying deposits without knowing if the funding will be there. On 18 January

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] New members of the Affiliations Committee

2017-01-16 Thread Gnangarra
Kaya wanju to the new comers and thank you to those moving along to other endeavors On 16 January 2017 at 19:25, Pierre-Selim wrote: > Kudos to the new comers and a warm thank you to outgoing members. > > Le 16 janv. 2017 12:22, "Bobby Shabangu"

Re: [Wikimedia-l] a second commons, prevent cease and desist business

2017-03-02 Thread Gnangarra
noting:for give my missing any finer point my German isnt sufficient to read the discussion without the aid of google translate The question your asking is should the author of the image have the right to enforce the licensing of work they have uploaded. The position you take is that they dont

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Changes to current chapter and thematic organisation criteria

2016-08-22 Thread Gnangarra
We need to focus on building communities To me the first thing that should change is rather than focusing on how to bring down chapters we should be focusing on how to further improve and promote the affiliate network, its as simple as saying Affcom can provide x,y,z to help support the expansion

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Changes to current chapter and thematic organisation criteria

2016-08-23 Thread Gnangarra
--- > If you have any other questions on that doesn't hesitate in doing it, I'm > sure Carlos will be happy of answer them :P > > Regards! > > 2016-08-22 22:31 GMT-05:00 Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com>: > > > Point Im trying to make is focus on the positives to achieve wh

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Changes to current chapter and thematic organisation criteria

2016-08-22 Thread Gnangarra
ignation? I also agree that not all that matters can be > measured / quantified. We still need to do what matters even if a nice > little number cannot be attached to it. The question is how do we balance > these two. > > Jaes > > On 23 August 2016 at 08:13, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gm

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