Jim-- thank you for articulating what I was trying to say. perhaps if I
hang out more with the members of Zion, some of that may rub off on me.
Bob Taylor
>Bob, I do see your point about constitutionality. It is an interesting
>idea. If I understand correctly, you are imagining what would re
I sing (soprano, mostly, but can sing alto when needed) and play piano.
I'm not the greatest at piano but, with practice, I can play passably
enough to be the pianist in sacrament meeting when our regular
pianist/organist is out of of town. I used to take clarinet lessons, but
only because my mot
Bob, I do see your point about constitutionality. It is an interesting
idea. If I understand correctly, you are imagining what would result if
we begin from an axiomatic assumption that church doctrines reflect the
true constitutional ideal, and we might use this standard for judging
whether
Here's the court's url
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/01slipopinion.html
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>
>Does anyone know how I can
John W. Redelfs wrote:
Does anyone know how I can find an online copy of Scalia's dissenting
opinion in Lawrence v. Texas? I've Googled, and all I can find are news
stories, not the actual dissenting opinion. --JWR
Nevermind. I found it. Sorry to bother you. --JWR
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Hello, Jim
thanks for your response. evidently age and education have not sharpened my
writing skills very much.
everything you stated was/is true-- historically, the Church has not fared
well in the hands of the U.S. legal system.
However, I was asking the opposite question:
"would it be
I'm right, this probably explains most of the difficulty
you're having with my posts.
Ron
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First, the father should be the same individual for both children. The
difference being one child is willing to live a higher law, with the
other needing to be prodded along.
Ok. I agree. Although my guess is that that will make the story a
little more bewildering.
I didn't focus on the Law of
e in the discussion with gay marriage.
Gary Smith
Ron Scott wrote:
>
> Are you related to Red Davis?
>
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> >
will confirm.
>
> RBS
>
>
> >-Original Message-
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> >
> >Okay, how about 200
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>
>At 02:05 PM 3/23/2004, you wrote:
>
>>Tell us how you feel about the amendment now tha
Are you related to Red Davis?
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>
>So are you or are you not saying that bestiality is
>okay
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>
>So, in effect, you are not opposing anything. You are
>simply giving up
>on the fight against moral crimes a
I think we should go for both of them. If one fails, we have an
alternative method. As it is, there probably will not be a perfect
solution, but in this case some solution may be better than allowing SSM
from proliferating.
Gary Smith
Steven Montgomery wrote:
>
> At 02:05 PM 3/23/2004, you wr
nority group." Nevertheless, individuals
are also entitled to seek the full protection of the law, as
Steven will confirm.
RBS
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>Subject:
So, in effect, you are not opposing anything. You are simply giving up
on the fight against moral crimes against society.
On the same note then, why do we not have the state get out of managing
crimes altogether. Let it all be resolved in the civilian courts.
Someone murdered? Why have prisons
t it
shouldn't force itself upon any other state that refuses it.
Gary Smith
Ron Scott wrote:
>
>
>
> >-Original Message-
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>
At 07:22 PM 4/22/2004, you wrote:
I went with my 11 year old on a school choir trip today to Calgary for a
choral festival performance.
Hey Tom. Check the time and date on your computer. Your last email on ZION
was dated 4/22/2004 at 7:22PM . It sure makes a mess out of my email
sorts.
--
St
lem.
Gary Smith
Ron Scott wrote:
>
>
>
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Gerald Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:39 AM
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> >Subject: RE: [ZION] Vote Now!
> >
> >
> >Just because
At 02:05 PM 3/23/2004, you wrote:
Tell us how you feel about the amendment now that we know there's
a move afoot to change the language? What's Wilkins
reaction to same? This thing is beginning to feel like an
election year stunt gone haywire.
RBS
The marriage amendment is doomed to failure. That
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>
>At 10:08 AM 3/23/2004, Ron Scott wrote:
>
>
>>I will continue to t
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>SNIP<
--RON--
>>2) As I read the constitution, the tax codes (for example) must
>
At 11:38 AM 3/23/2004, you wrote:
Steven Montgomery wrote:
If, as BYU Professor Richard Wilkins states, we need a Marriage Amendment
because activist judges have misinterpreted the Constitution (See the URL
immediately below), then why not simply limit their jurisdiction as
outlined in Article I
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>
>At 09:45 AM 3/23/2004, you wrote:
>>But only if the current Constitutional powers are
At 10:08 AM 3/23/2004, Ron Scott wrote:
I will continue to think...and will appreciate receiving
relevant, thoughtful comments from any of you.
RBS
I don't think that you will have any problem with a dearth of commentary
and opinion here on ZION. ;-)
--
Steven Montgomery
"The most important c
At 10:08 AM 3/23/2004, Ron Scott wrote:
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>But I thought you did support same sex civil
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>
>
>RB Scott wrote:
>> >Tell us more about your "methods for opposing"
At 09:45 AM 3/23/2004, you wrote:
But only if the current Constitutional powers are obeyed and honored.
When we have mayors in San Francisco and elsewhere giving out marriage
certificates in defiance of the law, then what piece of paper is there
that can establish the law? And when judges overstep
RB Scott wrote:
>Tell us more about your "methods for opposing" same-sex
>marriage. --JWR<
I have done this before. I support the proposition that the state
should get out of sanctioning marriages altogether and should,
therefore ( as I noted in an earlier post today) draft
legislation that carefu
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>
>
>RB Scott wrote:
>>It would *seem* to you, perhaps. It doesn't *seem* so
RB Scott wrote:
It would *seem* to you, perhaps. It doesn't *seem* so to me. I DO
NOT support same sex marriage, but my methods for opposing it do
not include (at this point) supporting a constitutional amendment
defining **marriage.**
Tell us more about your "methods for opposing" same-sex marriag
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>
>
>RB Scott wrote:
>>I agree, John. Notice that yesterday the proponents of the
>>amendment expanded language of the proposed amendment to give
>>states the right to adopt same sex union legislation and even
&
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>
>
>RB Scott wrote:
>>I'm growing weary of the tiresome assumption that "activist
>>judge" is a negative description. By def
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>
>RB Scott wrote:
>>I do not support extramarital sex of
>>any kind.
RB Scott wrote:
I agree, John. Notice that yesterday the proponents of the
amendment expanded language of the proposed amendment to give
states the right to adopt same sex union legislation and even
Orrin Hatch was dithering.
Where can I read about this? --JWR
/
RB Scott wrote:
I do not support extramarital sex of
any kind.
What about sex within marriage if marriage is redefined to permit a man to
marry his German Shepherd or his boy friend? --JWR
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>
>
>Steven Montgomery wrote:
>>If, as BYU Professor Richard Wilkins states,
Steven Montgomery wrote:
If, as BYU Professor Richard Wilkins states, we need a Marriage Amendment
because activist judges have misinterpreted the Constitution (See the URL
immediately below), then why not simply limit their jurisdiction as
outlined in Article III, Section 2?
http://www.ldsmag.
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>But I thought you did support same sex civil unions. Am I
wrong?<
"Support"
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>
>Just because a judge is an activist judge, does not make him a
>thoughtful one.<
I&#
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>
>At 08:29 AM 3/23/2004, Ron Scott wrote:
>
>> >Obviously these "thoughtful
But only if the current Constitutional powers are obeyed and honored.
When we have mayors in San Francisco and elsewhere giving out marriage
certificates in defiance of the law, then what piece of paper is there
that can establish the law? And when judges overstep their proper role
and legislat
ilto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 10:10 AM
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> >
> >
> >At 05:24 PM 3/22/2004, Ron Scott wrote in response to
> >Jim Cobabe:
> >
> >> >Equal protection is
First, the father should be the same individual for both children. The
difference being one child is willing to live a higher law, with the
other needing to be prodded along.
I didn't focus on the Law of Moses. I focused on eternal laws of God.
You'll note that I not only quoted from the Old Te
At 08:29 AM 3/23/2004, Ron Scott wrote:
>Obviously these "thoughtful judges" are simply
>wrong--in light of the
>Church's teachings on this subject, as well documented by Jim.
Must I point out to you, of all people, that church teachings are
not part of the U.S. Constitution, which is the guide th
When Richard Wilkins lays out a real constitutional argument I
will be first in line to read it. So far, he resorts to bombast
and preaching rather than jurisprudence.
The "local option" you propose does have some major practical
complications (as we have discussed), ones that could be sorted
out
At 08:46 AM 3/23/2004, you wrote:
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>
>
>
>I believe President Hinkley's remarks on this issue
>succinctly and
>precisely outl
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>
>
>
>I believe President Hinkley's remarks on this issue
>succinctly and
>precisely outline the present direction of churc
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>
>
>At 05:24 PM 3/22/2004, Ron Scott wrote in response to
>Jim Cobabe:
>
>> >Equa
At 05:24 PM 3/22/2004, Ron Scott wrote in response to Jim Cobabe:
>Equal protection is already afforded in our laws, for
>legitimate and
>traditional marriage. Nothing in the constitution
>envisions the
>degraded definition of "marriage" that encompasses any
>particular union
>of convenience, aff
It's not about either of you. You two were having a
discussion about the difference between the law of Christ and the law
of Moses. Ron's take seemed to be that the focus with Christ's plan
was in forgiveness and repentance. Your take seemed to focus on the
whole punishment aspect of the la
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>Subject: [ZION] A few more representative quotes...
--Quoting President Hinckley --
>There are those who would have us believe in the
>validity of what they
>cho
And you'll note Ron, that I have never judged you, only your words.
Gary Smith
Ron Scott wrote:
>
>
>
> The first reference was to Gary Smith, who is not my bishop, nor
> is he an appointed judge in Israel.
>
>
Gerald (Gary) Smith
geraldsmith@ juno.com
http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom
e explain.
>
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Jonathan Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 6:23 PM
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> >
> >Grimy Teeth
> >©2004 by Jonathan Scott
>
Ron Scott wrote:
---
Sophistry? I beg your pardon. Has the Church indicated that
people who believe the courts should decide the matter, as
mandated by the divinely-inspired constitution, are out of step
with the church and its teachings? Please point me to the
statement.
---
Others with better
Sorry had to teach a class.
Ron Scott wrote:
I'm lousy at parables. Please explain.
Here's my interpretation. I hope that I am not too far off
the mark.
1) The filth represents sin, generally, through the individual
choices of the children involved. The effects of the filth
represents the effe
I went with my 11 year old on a school choir trip today to Calgary for a
choral festival performance. On the bus I listened to a CD tape of a
talk by Mike Wilcox called "Noah Blindness" It has some interesting
insights into a number of things, including seers, and judging. He
points out that the
Ron Scott wrote:
> I'm lousy at parables. Please explain.
Here's my interpretation. I hope that I am not too far off
the mark.
1) The filth represents sin, generally, through the individual
choices of the children involved. The effects of the filth
represents the effects of sin.
2) The chil
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>
>
>Ron Scott wrote:
>--
>Thus sayeth the self-appointed Judge in Israel.
>---
>
Well put, Sandy. To me -- others will surely differ -- the
divinely-inspired U.S. Constitution is the guide for how we
should deal with such matters. In asserting that the
Constitution is divinely inspired, God suggests that that
equality, rule of law, and freedom to worship and choose right
from
Ron Scott wrote:
--
Thus sayeth the self-appointed Judge in Israel.
---
Actually, in the church our judges are appointed by inspiration from
God. They are not self-appointed nor is their administration a form of
political spoils for the party in power. Just in case you did not
realize this.
I'm lousy at parables. Please explain.
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>
>Grimy Teeth
>©2004 by Jonathan Scott
>
>
till the end of his days.
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Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 12:04 PM
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That's a cop out. A touchy, feely, liberal cop out.
You either need to
>defend your position, or g
At 02:24 PM 3/22/2004, you wrote:
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>
>At 11:10 AM 3/22/2004, you wrote:
>>Thus sayeth the self
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>At 11:10 AM 3/22/2004, you wrote:
>>Thus sayeth the self-appointed Judge in Israel. By
At 11:10 AM 3/22/2004, you wrote:
Thus sayeth the self-appointed Judge in Israel. By the way, who's
pushing for "gay rights" here? I've seen a few here calling for
"equal treatment under the law" for all, which is something
guaranteed by our divinely inspired constitution.
RBS
Yes, but equality be
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>SNIP<
>Now what the Lord says to us personally and through the
>scriptures is clear and unmist
Harold Stuart wrote:
> > [RB Scott] I'm inclined to
> > believe that God must be a pretty forgiving God if he's willing
> > to forgive the sins of repentant sinners like you and me. I
> > believe that God wants to include as many people as He possibly
> > can...and that it's my job to do my bit t
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>
>Only he can fully judge us, but the Lord calls upon
>mankind to judge.
>Why else have judges in Israel? And we can o
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>
>That's a cop out. A touchy, feely, liberal cop out.
>You either need to
>defend your po
Only he can fully judge us, but the Lord calls upon mankind to judge.
Why else have judges in Israel? And we can often tell if a person has
repented or not, by whether they have abandoned their sins. Someone
living in a gay relationship and pushing for gay rights has not
abandoned his sins, the
That's a cop out. A touchy, feely, liberal cop out. You either need to
defend your position, or give ground.
The Bible is VERY clear that Christ preached repentance. In Matthew
4:17, it tells us that "From that time Jesus began to preach, and to
say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at han
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>
>
>On Mar 21, 2004, at 3:44 PM, RB Scott wrote:
>
>> Gary:
>>
>> Loo
On Mar 21, 2004, at 3:44 PM, RB Scott wrote:
Gary:
Look, I don't think we're ever going to agree. I'm probably as
aware as you are as to what God taught and what he didn't. I
think are differences are in approach. I'm inclined to teach the
gospel, you seem inclined to preach repentance.
This is
Jack Redelfs wrote:
I ... read Will & Ariel Durant's _History Of Civilization_ series
twice) ...
Grampa Bill exclaims:
Yikes!!! The BLT's home schooling must'a been rough!
Love Y'all,
Grampa Bill in Savannah
With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine!
//
Hi, Jack Redelfs here, again.
Gerald Smith wrote:
Gary: Any group, whether a nation, community, business, or family has
culture. And the way cultures interact, adapt, fight, etc, are all the
same, regardless of the unit/organization. The only difference is the
time span required for change to oc
Gary:
Look, I don't think we're ever going to agree. I'm probably as
aware as you are as to what God taught and what he didn't. I
think are differences are in approach. I'm inclined to teach the
gospel, you seem inclined to preach repentance. I'm inclined to
believe that God must be a pretty for
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At 09:00 PM 3/20/2004, you wrote:
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>
>At 09:00 PM 3/20/2004, you wrote:
>
>
>> >-Original Message-
>> &g
John W. Redelfs wrote:
Hi Gary. My name's Jack, I'm the only son of the listowner.
===
Grampa Bill comments:
Love your style... love your writing... love your dad! Visit us more often.
Love Y'all,
Grampa Bill in Savannah
With sufficient thrust, pigs fly
At 09:00 PM 3/20/2004, you wrote:
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>
>
>RB Scott wrote:
>>I think you've got it right. T
At 08:58 PM 3/20/2004, you wrote:
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>
>RB Scott wrote:
>
>> Seriously, I don't
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>
>RB Scott wrote:
>> >> Seriously, I don't
>> >>recall Chri
Watch "The Patriot" some time. The battles they had in that
war were fought by two sides who had access to very similar weaponry.
Things have changed a lot since then. Governments have access to
stuff that is much more advanced than what the people have.
The Iraqis didn't stand a chance of c
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RB Scott wrote:
Seriously, I don't
recall Christ preaching "death" for any offense...well, murder
pe
> Gays and lesbians should stay in the closet.
Their choice. They should NOT be afraid to come out of the closet, nor
should they expect to be accepted.
In my own personal experience, those of my friends who came out of the
closet remained my friends, and were counseled by me in love to change a
> How many of you play a musical instrument? How well do you play? I'm
> curious about the musical makeup of the Zion list.
Jon Spencer:
- Sings very well (tenor soloist)
- Played violin very well (10 years of private lessons) but does not
currently own a violin (my next free $2500 will
> Mankind will establish permanent space colonies by the end of the century.
Certainly.
Jon
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RB Scott wrote:
>> Seriously, I don't
>>recall Christ preaching "death" for any offense...well, murder
>>perhaps (but I don't recall it).
Notwithstanding fairly twisted and bizarre interpretations, what
Christ taught was forgiveness, not death.
Forgiveness for the repentant only. That is what he
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>RB Scott wrote:
>>I think you've got it right. The old laws are off the
>boo
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>RB Scott wrote:
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>> Seriously, I don't
>>recall Christ prea
RB Scott wrote:
Seriously, I don't
recall Christ preaching "death" for any offense...well, murder
perhaps (but I don't recall it).
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Grampa Bill comments:
But the Christ of the New Testament IS the Jehovah of the Old
Testament and in those days with those p
Gerald Smith wrote:
It might take Iraq 40-50 years to switch over to a strong democracy. So
what? It means our grandchildren's children will live in a world with
one more free nation that isn't run by radical kooks.
Hope springs eternal in the human breast,
Man never is but always to be blest.
Hi Gary. My name's Jack, I'm the only son of the listowner. Since I advised
him in writing the post you are responding to (I'm his history advisor), I was
interested in your reply and decided to respond.
Gerald Smith wrote:
That's somewhat of a fallacious generalization, John. Yes, it is
difficult
RB Scott wrote:
I think you've got it right. The old laws are off the books. If
they become laws again, they ought to be enforced. What do I
think the penalty ought to be for Sabbath breaking? Dunno. Let
me consult with my Jewish and SDA friends. Seriously, I don't
recall Christ preaching "deat
;death" for any offense...well, murder
perhaps (but I don't recall it).
RBS
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>If he did the
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>Hey, all l did was point out the penalty of the law--in
>the days of Moses
>and of the people in the Book of Mormon. Since we don't
>live under a
>theocratic government, death penalti
rcumstances and history. Neither do you know mine.
Ron
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>Ron, why is it that you attack the comma
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>That's somewhat of a fallacious generalization, John.
>Yes, it is
>difficult and it takes time. Bu
I play the Piano
Carinet
and Sing. None as well as I should, but I'm taking Clarinet lessons again.
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