Re: [Emc-users] Installation of emc2.2

2008-04-16 Thread Jon Elson
Craig Muller wrote: Hi All I Previously had emc installed via the BDI I have recently tried to upgrade to emc2,2 . I downloaded the ISO and cut it to a disc seemingly without a hiccup. I can boot my machine using the live cd however when I try to install the software the

Re: [Emc-users] Bandit Steppers

2008-04-16 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: The IA and IB sink the LED's on two optocoupler inputs each. The high side of the LED's is driven by the Q and /Q quadrature signals. I am guessing this forms a NAND function or an Inhibit? I wonder if the inhibits are needed to prevent shoot-through? If that is the case

Re: [Emc-users] Bandit Steppers

2008-04-17 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: I scoped the driver board inputs again and corrected my signal diagram on the schematic. The gray traces are the result of the coil input and it's inhibit. I confirmed this with scoping the far side of the input optocoupler. I played with the axis speed and noticed the

Re: [Emc-users] Bandit Steppers

2008-04-18 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: I mean that when the motor is commanded to take a step the shaft will try its best to reach the new step, overshoot and then settle down. If this over shoot is large enough, it might cause the cutter to cut too deep for an instant. At moderate speeds, I suspect this isn't

Re: [Emc-users] 5 axis cinci

2008-04-18 Thread Jon Elson
Stuart Stevenson wrote: Gentlemen, Here is a video of my cinci. Notice the dual arm tool changer. It is very generic and can do many things. :) :) that's me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxxdq6y8z8M Wow, that is pretty cool! I'm usually not intimidated by big stuff, but there's a

Re: [Emc-users] Very low PRM system.

2008-04-20 Thread Jon Elson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I want to build system to tool grinder and that means that my system should behave stable on very low RPM. Minimum PRM 0.0001 per minute. I want to use direct drive with ball screw 5 rev per inch or 1 rev for 5 mm in case of metric system. My motors have 8192

Re: [Emc-users] PID-tuning

2008-04-20 Thread Jon Elson
Anders Wallin wrote: Hi all, I got my x-axis servo motor mounted today and ran some tests. There is a video and some hal-scope screen shots here: http://www.anderswallin.net/2008/04/x-axis-test/ This is a system with no motor current, motor voltage, or velocity feedback. An m5i20

Re: [Emc-users] PID-tuning

2008-04-21 Thread Jon Elson
Anders Wallin wrote: I couldn't find your serial number in my data base, so I don't know what version of it you have. The earliest models had a you sent these to me in late December 2006. Can you tell which rev. I have based on the date? Yes, Rev D started in Feb, 2006, so your amps are

Re: [Emc-users] PID-tuning

2008-04-21 Thread Jon Elson
Anders Wallin wrote: somebody wrote : 3. What sample frequency are you using? with torque mode and straight PWM amps you will need a high sample rate than used with velocity mode servos. A a higher sample rate will allow higher P gains with these amps, improving performance.

Re: [Emc-users] VFD Interference

2008-04-21 Thread Jon Elson
Erik Christiansen wrote: On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 10:42:31PM -0700, Kirk Wallace wrote: I got the spindle VFD working on my Shizuoka and the speed varies quite a bit. This seems to be due to interference coming from the spindle motor leads. The cable has no shielding but there are six wires. One

Re: [Emc-users] VFD Interference

2008-04-21 Thread Jon Elson
At the request of a potential customer, I did some performance tests with EMC2. I created a program with 1 blocks like N123456 G01 F30 X1. Y0. with the coordinates working around a 2 diameter circle. Each chord is roughly 0.0006 long. I ran it with the feedrate at 30 and 60 IPM, no

[Emc-users] block processing rate

2008-04-22 Thread Jon Elson
Kenneth Lerman wrote: To the best of my knowledge, there has been no attempt to optimize the performance of the interpreter. If there is strong feeling that this might be a problem, I suspect that it could be improved significantly. My general experience with products that have never been

[Emc-users] block processing speed

2008-04-22 Thread Jon Elson
John Kasunich wrote: Jon Elson wrote: At the request of a potential customer, I did some performance tests with EMC2. I created a program with 1 blocks like N123456 G01 F30 X1. Y0. with the coordinates working around a 2 diameter circle. Each chord is roughly 0.0006 long. I ran

Re: [Emc-users] block processing rate

2008-04-22 Thread Jon Elson
sam sokolik wrote: I made this program http://pastebin.ca/993663 (same thing I think as Jon made) I ran it on the live cd (hardy is all I have handy at the moment) on a dual core 2.2ghz. (not the greatest latency - around 20us. Anyway.. With the default stepper_inch.ini - acceleration

Re: [Emc-users] block processing speed

2008-04-22 Thread Jon Elson
John Kasunich wrote: Jon Elson wrote: I have no idea how hard it is to do better with this lookahead, It's hard. :-( That's the rub - if there is a discontinuity the machine has to slow down. But it doesn't know there is a discontinuity until it gets there. (Or in EMC's case, until

Re: [Emc-users] block processing speed

2008-04-23 Thread Jon Elson
John Kasunich wrote: Jon Elson wrote: John Kasunich wrote: Jon Elson wrote: I have no idea how hard it is to do better with this lookahead, It's hard. :-( That's the rub - if there is a discontinuity the machine has to slow down. But it doesn't know there is a discontinuity until it gets

Re: [Emc-users] block processing speed

2008-04-23 Thread Jon Elson
Anders Wallin wrote: I think G64 without a tolerance can only blend moves that are exactly tangent - that would mostly apply to paths made up of lines joined by arcs. I thought G61 ('exact path' mode) did this already? G61.1 is 'exact stop' mode which will stop at the beginning and end of

Re: [Emc-users] Very low PRM system.

2008-04-23 Thread Jon Elson
Roland Jollivet wrote: Hi I (we?) have no idea of the application, but if the system is always going to operate at low speeds, what about a fat flywheel on the drive motor to smooth things out? You'd need an incredible flywheel to smooth out a motor movong at 1.8 degrees per minute! I

Re: [Emc-users] limit switch error

2008-04-25 Thread Jon Elson
John Thornton wrote: On 25 Apr 2008 at 11:16, Jon Elson wrote: With my controllers, for instance, there are 3-line stanzas for each limit switch, such as : newsig Xminlim bit linksp Xminlim = ppmc.0.din.01.in linksp Xminlim = axis.0.neg-lim-sw-in Jon Jon the new format is a single

Re: [Emc-users] CNC Fest

2008-04-28 Thread Jon Elson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I want to ask about next CNC festival. Will be any class, as a class where is instructor that taking question and addressing questions? 2 years ago Ray Henry was instructor. Last year Jon Elson teach about tune up. I will arrange to do two seminars. One

Re: [Emc-users] CNC Masters Supra

2008-04-30 Thread Jon Elson
Peet de Vos wrote: Hi there, Does anybody use or know whether EMC will work (without headaches or major customization) with the following *CNC Masters* Kit: _CNC Supra Vertical Knee Mill Retrofit Kit___ http://www.cncmasters.com/CNC%2520Supra%2520Retrofit%2520Kit.htm They are not real

Re: [Emc-users] EMC Fest 2008

2008-05-06 Thread Jon Elson
Dale Ertley wrote: Hello, Will there be any good training for newbies at the EMC Fest 2008? I am new to EMC. I am also in the process of putting a 4+ axis (xyzw+) full size mill on EMC2. I'm not sure exactly what formal classes there will be. I hope we can have something more

Re: [Emc-users] helical code

2008-05-06 Thread Jon Elson
Dave Engvall wrote: Hi, I'm milling a tapered hole using helical interp. The program works fine but can't keep up. With a HSS ball mill I've been millling at 4 ips. With carbide I could raise that to 10 ips. At either speed it maintains speed 'til about 1/2 way thru the program then

Re: [Emc-users] Master-Slave stepper set up

2008-05-06 Thread Jon Elson
Mark Wendt (Contractor) wrote: I've in the process of building a two axis machine - using the X and Z axis, and I have a three axis stepper/driver combo already set up and basically ready to go. I was wondering if there is some way to configure EMC so that I could slave the Y axis to the X

Re: [Emc-users] EMC Fest 2008

2008-05-06 Thread Jon Elson
Dave Engvall wrote: You get to take your chances. Several of the attendees stayed at the Econo Inn. I stayed there two years ago. They had just changed the beds and the new ones were too firm for me. I will stay at the Holiday Inn Express which is more expensive and farther away; but then

Re: [Emc-users] 155 ms real-time delay every 10 minutes?

2008-05-06 Thread Jon Elson
Kent A. Reed wrote: Anders: I hesitate to throw what may be just another red herring into the discussion, but there are a number of 600-second defaults floating around Linux, and it is possible you're getting tripped up by one of them rather than by some clock problem. For example, by

Re: [Emc-users] Master-Slave stepper set up

2008-05-07 Thread Jon Elson
Mark Wendt (Contractor) wrote: Thanks for the info. I was doing a little reading on the wiki and in the user doc over the weekend, and missed seeing anything on that. Is there any documentation that I may have glossed over? It likely is NOT documented at the present. I think

Re: [Emc-users] Master-Slave stepper set up

2008-05-07 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: I wonder. If you don't know the state of the two end carriages, and they might be in a binding condition, it might be necessary to sync the carriages before any substantial move. Could a laser be used to get the carriages synced enough to for a move to a proper sync?

Re: [Emc-users] 155 ms real-time delay every 10 minutes?

2008-05-07 Thread Jon Elson
Kenneth Lerman wrote: The suggestion was made that arp or some other ethernet related protocol might run every ten seconds. Disabling ethernet in the bios might be *causing* the problem if all of the protocols are not disabled in software. I sure don't know what would happen if something

Re: [Emc-users] Buying used CNC machine - what to look for??

2008-05-07 Thread Jon Elson
Witek GB wrote: I am thinking of taking the plunge and buying a VMC maybe with an ATC. I plan on buying it for the iron and upgrading it to EMC. I have manual machine tools already so I know what to look for when I see a manual machine, but with CNC I really do not know much. What should

Re: [Emc-users] Buying used CNC machine - what to look for??

2008-05-08 Thread Jon Elson
Dave Engvall wrote: I didn't (don't) know any better so I consider the Mazak ATC as pretty standard in complexity. Some of those on the horizontals must be simpler since they change tools in 2 sec or so. The Mazak Micro 5 has a part that swings the holder 90 degrees from the plane of

Re: [Emc-users] Buying used CNC machine - what to look for??

2008-05-08 Thread Jon Elson
Witek GB wrote: Dave, I live in Lenexa Kansas a suburb of Kansas City. I hopped to go to the EMC CNC workshop in IL however around that time I have a prior engagement with my wife. If I would go she would kill me and the machining hobby would be out the window. I might go next year.

Re: [Emc-users] Buying used CNC machine - what to look for??

2008-05-11 Thread Jon Elson
John Thornton wrote: Just goes to show you never know what is tucked away in the hills of south east Missouri... If I had to guess I would have guessed a job shop to support the lumber industry. I'm glad it is bigger than that. There's a LOT of aerospace work in MO. The old

Re: [Emc-users] CNC Fest classes

2008-05-11 Thread Jon Elson
Ray Henry wrote: I won't presume to speak for other presenters. I move a around a lot for an old guy. Don't think that a web cam is going to do folk much good although I'm not at all opposed capturing my events. A good lapel mike and a camera focised on your whiteboard or easel would get

Re: [Emc-users] EMC Fest 2008

2008-05-11 Thread Jon Elson
Ed wrote: Which brings up the question of power availability. I would like to bring a project that would need 240V 3Phase at about 10Amps. Does anyone know if that is available? Hard wiring or common plugs are not a problem. Ed. Roland most certainly has good 3-phase power at his

Re: [Emc-users] EMC Fest 2008

2008-05-11 Thread Jon Elson
John Kasunich wrote: The Mazak is three-phase, and plugs into a twist-lock receptacle, but I don't recall if it is 240V or 480V. Depending on how continuously you will need power we could unplug the Mazak and plug in your machine. I seem to recall that the plug is fed from a disconnect,

Re: [Emc-users] Thread Milling

2008-05-19 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: Is tapping obsolete? http://www.emuge.com/carbide_thread/ Others have given good answers, but there is an alternative: SINGLE-row thread mills. These have the advantage that they will mill a range of thread pitches with one cutter, and they are cheaper than multi-row

Re: [Emc-users] Subject: Re: Micro stepper driver MSD542 / KL-5042

2008-05-20 Thread Jon Elson
Ian W. Wright wrote: 'Scuse me for stepping in but I'm a bit confused by a couple of things being said in this thread. 1. Exactly why does a low accel round corners more than a fast accel.? The program calculates all moves based on the specified machine acceleration in the ini file, and

Re: [Emc-users] Thread Milling

2008-05-21 Thread Jon Elson
Mark Wendt (Contractor) wrote: I think I have a grasp of how this thing works now. My only question left is, if the teeth are in rings, and there are multiple rings (and assuming the thread mill is spinning at that same time as the x and y axes are moving), how does the tool keep from

Re: [Emc-users] Thread Milling

2008-05-21 Thread Jon Elson
Glenn R. Edwards wrote: Other issues with thread milling: 1)The thread mill tool will not follow the pre-drilled hole as will a tap. 2)Getting the correct pitch diameter from a thread mill is a trial and error routine. I don't think so. I bought a single-row 1/4 thread mill from Micro-100.

Re: [Emc-users] Thread Milling

2008-05-21 Thread Jon Elson
Glenn R. Edwards wrote: Jon, I hope it doesn't appear as though I am jostling you for the final word, however you pointed out a major difference between us hobbyists and professionals. A professional must deliver a part in spec 100% of the time ( six sigma- don't get me started...) no matter

Re: [Emc-users] Micro stepper driver MSD542 / KL-5042 cont.

2008-05-21 Thread Jon Elson
Kenneth Lerman wrote: I really think we need some pictures and/or details. Instead of using letters for a test case, could you try using short lines? First plot a set of parallel lines about 5 cm long and 2 cm apart, parallel to the X axis and centered on the Y axis. Then do the same

Re: [Emc-users] Micro stepper driver MSD542 / KL-5042 cont.

2008-05-21 Thread Jon Elson
John Kasunich wrote: It sounds like you are losing position during rapid moves only. The move between letters is probably a G0 rapid, which goes as fast as EMC thinks the machine can go, while the moves within the letters are G1 lines or G2/G3 arcs, both at some specified feedrate. A

Re: [Emc-users] Way OT: Contact Lube

2008-05-22 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: I have a Hobart TIG with really stiff AC/DC+/DC- and AMP range selectors. They are eight inch rotary switches with 1/8th inch thick blades and wipers. Does anyone have a favorite lube or should I run them dry? I tried an electronics cleaner/lube and it turned into a stiff

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic gear and EMC2. ????

2008-05-23 Thread Jon Elson
John Kasunich wrote: Kenneth Lerman wrote: A simple solution is to use a dual drive. Use a course mechanism with long travel for course positioning and a fine mechanism with limited travel for fine positioning. The fine mechanism has a large mechanical advantage and can use a smaller motor

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe screw cutting problem

2008-05-24 Thread Jon Elson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. Has anyone managed to set a screw cutting lathe up successfully with EMC2? Mine is a simple setup. The encoder has 1ppr and also a disk with 48 slots. The problem is that the lathe carriage does not synchronise with the spindle nicely - it overshoots and

Re: [Emc-users] Lathe screw cutting problem

2008-05-24 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: On Sat, 2008-05-24 at 13:49 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. Has anyone managed to set a screw cutting lathe up successfully with EMC2? Mine is a simple setup. The encoder has 1ppr and also a disk with 48 slots. The problem is that the lathe carriage does not

Re: [Emc-users] 20V80 on eBay

2008-05-27 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: This one could use a little EMC: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cincinnati-20V80-5-axis-mill_W0QQitemZ110255408981 Must be picked up within 14 days I doubt you could arrange the riggers and freight in that time. H, too big even for my garage! Jon

Re: [Emc-users] servo with brake issue

2008-05-30 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: Thank you for posting your results. I kind of take the mains for granted. Oh,no! That can be a FATAL mistake! I have been BLITZED a number of times by defective grounds, and systems where multiple pieces of equipment were plugged into different outlets. I had a

Re: [Emc-users] Rigid tapping

2008-06-02 Thread Jon Elson
Anders Wallin wrote: Hi all, Just wanted to let everyone know that we have now mounted an encoder on the spindle motor of our mill and with a little HAL-tweaking it was easy to get rigid tapping to work. There are two videos of M3 tapping and M6 tapping on youtube:

Re: [Emc-users] Putting Encoder on AC servomotor???

2008-06-04 Thread Jon Elson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I am looking for more info about why I can not take out encoder from AC servomotor and put another in? If the motor has commutation sensors (Hall signals) built into the motor, and separate from the encoder, then there is no problem. Many newer motors, like the SEM

Re: [Emc-users] Request for information at the CNC Workshop

2008-06-04 Thread Jon Elson
Matt Shaver wrote: I put this on the wiki page as well, but I thought I'd make this request on-list as well. I'm looking for the following things: 1. Copies of ANSI, CENELEC, FM, IEC, ISO, OSHA, NFPA electrical and/or machine tool safety standards, European [Economic] Community Directives

Re: [Emc-users] Putting Encoder on AC servomotor???

2008-06-05 Thread Jon Elson
Stephen Wille Padnos wrote: Jon Elson wrote: Jeff Epler wrote: In emc2 there are practical limits on the precision of position values due to the use of float as the fundamental type for analog values such as encoder positions. For instance, the values 1.0 and 1.0 + 0.5**23 (approximately

Re: [Emc-users] Request for information at the CNC Workshop

2008-06-05 Thread Jon Elson
Matt Shaver wrote: On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 00:18 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: I don't think there is truly ONE way to do things. You pretty much have to use safety-rated controls from Pilz, Crouzet, Schaffner, Faulhaber, etc., and then set them up so they can function correctly to stop motion, even

Re: [Emc-users] PWM Amp Basics

2008-06-05 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: A while back I played with a KBIC speed controller which demonstrated fairly good torque at high and low speeds. I was curious about how a PWM amp would do, so I set up a Pico amp to a parport PWM signal at about 25kHz and was surprised to find that low end torque was much

Re: [Emc-users] PWM Amp Basics

2008-06-06 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: What are the issues with choosing a PWM frequency? I would think that efficiency would be one, where you would balance switching losses and iron or copper losses? Evidence of this might be seen as higher motor or amp temperatures? Lower frequencies might produce noise. I

Re: [Emc-users] PWM Amp Basics

2008-06-06 Thread Jon Elson
Peter C. Wallace wrote: A reasonable hack might be to use the previous delta for velocity if index (and a count clear event) happened Good thought, this condition will only exist for one servo cycle, so it shouldn't cause any problems for a spindle speed control algorithm. Jon

Re: [Emc-users] PWM Amp Basics

2008-06-06 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: Feedback would start with ppmc.X.encoder.X.delta? Is encoder delta reset to zero and at what event? This would then be scaled/converted to RPM and fed to pid.X.feedback and possibly a speed display. Encoder.xx.delta is never reset. It is derived by subtracting the last

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-06 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: I received a Pluto today and started playing with it. Thanks to some help from the IRC (Thank you Skunkworks) I got the driver to load using LPT1 (378). Although, it loads without the apparent fix (epp_wide=0) now too. The driver and EMC loads with my PCI parport card, but

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-07 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: I haven't looked at the control signals with a scope. One inductor was much hotter than the other. I assumed because it was because I was driving the motor mostly one direction. I was planning on using 110 Volts for the motor supply. Hmm, synchronous antiphase would

Re: [Emc-users] PWM Amp Basics

2008-06-07 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: Sometimes the the spindle context keeps me from seeing things as they should be. More thinking aloud. An encoder still acts the same whether it's on a linear axis or spindle. So if the spindle moves, the distance is counted, and sometimes, it's a very long move. The delta

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-07 Thread Jon Elson
Jeff Epler wrote: When you set pluto-servo.pwm.#.pwmdir TRUE, the output should be what you call sign-magnitude: value after scale+offsetPWM Dir 0.0 0%FALSE 0.5 50%FALSE 1.0

Re: [Emc-users] wiki request

2008-06-07 Thread Jon Elson
Andre' Blanchard wrote: What is the delay (in degrees of rotation) between reading the spindle encoder and positioning the Z axis? That delay would be in opposite directions going and coming out. Unless there is mechanical backlash between the spindle itself and the spindle encoder, this

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-08 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: On Sat, 2008-06-07 at 13:06 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: ...snip would put the PWM duty cycle at 50%, the worst case. What is your DC supply voltage? Jon 53 VDC unregulated with 500 uF of filter caps. So far the motor has had no load. If you need more information let

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-08 Thread Jon Elson
That should have read re-tuned the DEAD time Jon - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-08 Thread Jon Elson
Jeff Epler wrote: Jon, What *should* the driving signals look like at the input of your amplifiers? I assume from your response that I'm making some kind of rookie mistake here, compounded by the fact that I still don't understand what the mistake is. No, maybe not. My amps were designed

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-08 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: I can certainly try, but I am using the latest 2.2.5 which should be fixed. I have pwmdir set true. I measured only logic levels on the dir pin and analog on the PWM pin. The no load forward and reverse RPM through the range (0 to 5500) was within 50 RPM. OK, not a

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-08 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: These are a little embarrassing, but here are some pictures of my Pico/Pluto setup: http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Pluto/ The cores of the inductors seem to be heating and not the copper, so it takes a while for the heat to be detected. It seems that one

Re: [Emc-users] wiki request

2008-06-08 Thread Jon Elson
Chris Radek wrote: That was exactly my thinking too. But as others have pointed out, there could be other things at work. Looseness/backlash in the quill spline on my bridgeport is significant for instance. The first step to compensating for it is measuring it, so I was concentrating on

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-08 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: On Sun, 2008-06-08 at 01:21 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: ... snip Your last order of servo amps may be included in this batch. If the power transistors say FB260 on them, they need the fix. If they say 31N20D then they don't. Jon My amps have FB260's. Should I put some

[Emc-users] rigid tapping

2008-06-08 Thread Jon Elson
Well, I have finally gotten the rigid tapping working, but I'm not totally satisfied with the results. I'm getting a little mauling or damage to the top part of the threads. I am using combined drill-taps. What I am doing now is drilling the hole through first, then pulling the tap back, and

Re: [Emc-users] My Mill on EMC2

2008-06-09 Thread Jon Elson
On Jun 8, 2008, at 6:53 PM, Greg Michalski wrote: Just thought I'd share my benchtop mill powered by EMC. A question though - when I have the file loaded and touch off to the workpiece - it takes FOREVER to get back to ready to let me touch off the next axis. What is this the result of?

Re: [Emc-users] rigid tapping

2008-06-09 Thread Jon Elson
Anders Wallin wrote: So, I think the damage to the threads is because I'm giving the drill-tap too much axial freedom in a home-made spring-loaded tap driver. We clamped the tap in a standard ER25 collet, no axial freedom (it's called _rigid_ tapping after all...). We had the g33.1

Re: [Emc-users] My Mill on EMC2

2008-06-09 Thread Jon Elson
Jon Elson wrote: One other thing, do you have it on a network? Something I've noticed on one system where I share the network jack is that any user interface stuff will run insanely slow for 10-15 minutes after you boot. I forget which network process is burning all the CPU time trying

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-09 Thread Jon Elson
Jon Elson wrote: Kirk Wallace wrote: On Sun, 2008-06-08 at 01:21 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: ... snip Your last order of servo amps may be included in this batch. If the power transistors say FB260 on them, they need the fix. If they say 31N20D then they don't. Jon My amps have FB260's. Should

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-10 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 20:24 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: ... snip I have another test. Try running the system exactly as it is when the inductors overheat, but with the motor disconnected. If it still overheats, you can remove C14 and C15 (right near the power connector

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-10 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: Removing C14 and C15 stopped the inductor heating without affecting anything else, as far as I could tell. I wonder if smaller caps or a different core type might help. Excellent! Well, these are 47 uH 15 A inductors, and pretty amazing at that size. I have found

Re: [Emc-users] Gear Cutting

2008-06-11 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: Has anyone tried cutting gears with something similar to this arrangement? http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Gear_Cutter-1b.png I was thinking a slot saw (gray disk) could be used, centered on the gear shaft(violet). The gear tooth form could be followed with

Re: [Emc-users] Gear Cutting

2008-06-12 Thread Jon Elson
Steve Blackmore wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:38:02 -0500, you wrote: In theory, this can be done. A thin slitting saw would deflect too much to get an accurate tooth profile. You can buy gear tooth cutters and run them like this, and it will go much faster, which is still fairly slow.

Re: [Emc-users] Gear Cutting

2008-06-13 Thread Jon Elson
Ian W. Wright wrote: One of the main reasons I want to try to generate gears and, particularly, pinions is the great problem I have in trying to make working pinion cutters small enough for the watches I work on. It just seems to me that if you have a CNC machine of any type, you should be

Re: [Emc-users] Gear Cutting

2008-06-13 Thread Jon Elson
Greg Michalski wrote: snip Another thought comes to mind, could wire EDM be used to cut very small gears and pinions? You bet! For hair-thin wheels and intricate escapement profiles, they are the way to go. Of course, wire EDM is a whole other domain, and you can't buy a $500 Chinese wire

Re: [Emc-users] E-stop Surprise

2008-06-14 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: My mill isn't fully functional yet and I neglected to realize the ramifications of this. A bracket I needed to make required a tool change, so I decided to just do it manually. I checked the program by lowering the knee and single stepping through the program, which at the

Re: [Emc-users] Endmills

2008-06-14 Thread Jon Elson
Andrew Ayre wrote: Sorry if this is a bit OT, but I'm stuck. I have EMC2 running and my CNC machine assembled and now it's time to try cutting. I want to focus on wax and wood and start with some pine. I'm using a Dremel for the spindle. I've been reading the CNC forums and various

Re: [Emc-users] You guys might find some aspects of this EMC Survey interesting.......

2008-06-15 Thread Jon Elson
Renewables Not Reactors wrote: See here for details... http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59635 Sorry, can't fill this one out. it asks why I DON'T use EMC! Jon - Check out the new SourceForge.net

[Emc-users] EMC Fest

2008-06-15 Thread Jon Elson
So, Who is at the fest and set up? I'm frantically putting stuff together and trying to get ready to head up there tomorrow. Jon - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services

Re: [Emc-users] EMC Fest

2008-06-15 Thread Jon Elson
Jeff Epler wrote: so far we've got Jeff Epler John Kasunich Steve Padnos Kenneth Lerman Steve Stallings Matt Shaver Ray Henry Great! Where's the webcam? It looks like I will be assembling a servo system there, as I have run out of time here to put it

Re: [Emc-users] EMC Fest

2008-06-15 Thread Jon Elson
Jeff Epler wrote: On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 11:02:05PM -0500, Jon Elson wrote: Great! Where's the webcam? http://linuxcnc.org/compile_farm/festcam.shtml HUH! Bunch of pikers - where the heck are you? All I see are empty chairs! Jon

Re: [Emc-users] Shutdown during milling

2008-06-22 Thread Jon Elson
Andrew Ayre wrote: I have noticed that perhaps one time in five Linux will partially shutdown during milling. It's a bit hard to describe but the Gnome desktop is replaced with a text screen of what looks like the tail end of the bootup sequence: Operation [OK] Another operation [OK]

Re: [Emc-users] Ball Nose

2008-06-22 Thread Jon Elson
Andrew Ayre wrote: Thanks John and Kirk, I will use an end mill for roughing. Andy John Thornton wrote: Use a end mill for roughing unless there is very little to remove. Ball mills don't cut as well. Likewise use a drill to remove most of a hole the final size it with an end

Re: [Emc-users] Website Found

2008-06-26 Thread Jon Elson
Matt Shaver wrote: The content seems pretty old: Those who bought Anilam's original 386sx-16 could easily upgrade to the current standard, 486dx-33. Hurco will soon offer a PC motherboard as the main processing engine ... Looking through the fora on the main menu, I see a few that have

Re: [Emc-users] FYI, HNC on eBay

2008-06-26 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=330246010908 Will they MAKE you take the GE 550 control? If so, you'll have to dispose of that clunker. I don't believe there's anything there that would be usable. Jon

Re: [Emc-users] FYI, HNC on eBay

2008-06-26 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 11:09 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: Kirk Wallace wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=330246010908 Will they MAKE you take the GE 550 control? If so, you'll have to dispose of that clunker. I don't believe there's anything

Re: [Emc-users] Trash?

2008-06-26 Thread Jon Elson
Ian W. Wright wrote: Jon Elson wrote... I even trashed all the 486's out of MY basement a number of years ago! If you are throwing out old PC boards like this it is worth stripping out the old processors and maybe some of the other big chips first. The ceramic processor packages make

Re: [Emc-users] FYI, HNC on eBay

2008-06-26 Thread Jon Elson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you had to take it would still be worth it because nobody makes spindles as good as the one in that HNC -Maybe the control would fall off the truck on the way home if you were lucky Well, the spindle on my Sheldon R15-6 (D1-6, 2.25 spindle through hole,

Re: [Emc-users] FYI, HNC on eBay

2008-06-26 Thread Jon Elson
Tony Bussan wrote: Now, nobody bid. It's mine, all mine! Tony Heh heh! Lucky you! Well, there is a community of EMC retrofit owners developing on these. Jon - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the

Re: [Emc-users] EMC the right choice for us?

2008-07-02 Thread Jon Elson
Kai Schaeffer wrote: This sound not so bad. Actually we need this speed only for the rapid movements. For the cutting speed we have to max. speed of 5m/min. That would mean 0.02mm per cycle. I guess we could work with this. Or what do you think? Depending on thew hardware interface, you

Re: [Emc-users] EMC the right choice for us?

2008-07-02 Thread Jon Elson
Kai Schaeffer wrote: Andre' Blanchard schrieb: What does it wouldn't be trivial mean in man-months? Actually, I think those were my words. EMC doesn't currently have a feature to scan a surface and then modify the meaning of a G-code file. There was some discussion once about a general

Re: [Emc-users] Editing the GUI

2008-07-03 Thread Jon Elson
Renewables Not Reactors wrote: What software is recommended for editing the gui for emc? Any text editor will work. Some like vi, or gedit, I prefer emacs (an optional software package). Jon - Sponsored by:

Re: [Emc-users] Rigid Tapping

2008-07-03 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 19:44 -0500, Chris Radek wrote: One thing that jumps out at me is that it seems your accelerations on X/Z are extremely low. It looks like it takes an inch or more to get up to your rapid speed. That's correct. I seem to recall that I had to

Re: [Emc-users] EMC Gallery added to CNCZone

2008-07-03 Thread Jon Elson
Renewables Not Reactors wrote: I have added the EMC video gallery to CNCZone. Expect a lots of newbies to appear here :) http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60619 Great! I believe either the 3- or 5-axis CNC mill at Hogeschool Antwerpen is controlled by my Universal PWM Controller

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