Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President
I must respectfully disagree, this wasn’t about bashing anyone– to state a platform on which a candidate is running is just that – no one was calling any candidate horrible names! From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of cindy reasoner Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President I don't post very often but had to put my 2 cents in on this topic. I think if more people would vote for the person they think would do the best job instead of getting hung up on the party this country would be a heck of alot better. I have voted for Republicans and Democrats for President. I don't agree with getting on here and bashing another party. I really don't think this is the forum for politics. Cindy Reasoner --- On Wed, 10/10/12, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 10, 2012, 9:52 AM I really think this discussion has turned to a Republican bashing session. We Republicans disagree with almost everything you guys have said but there's no point of getting into it because no amount of discussion will change your mind. And that's okay because that's what makes America great - we can disagree without feeling the threat of reprisal. It is interesting to hear the Democratic views and what things you believe but some things are just not true like the supposed war on women. Mitt and Paul do not have the complete authority to do some of the things mentioned and many Republicans wouldn't go along with these kinds of things anyway. But it's okay with me if that's what you believe, I just don't think we can intelligently debate all the facts when we are not in the inner circle. I think we've worn the topic out and nothing you guys have said will make me change my mind about Obama and obviously I will never change your minds about Republicans so let's talk about something else like animal abusers and trying to get the death penalty for them. Just kidding - well kind of. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 23:43:25 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President Diane R., not only are you pretty sure - you are absolutely correct! Not to mention what Mitt and Paul intend to do: Get rid of Planned Parenthood which screens women for cancer, has helped a friend of mine numerous times because she can't afford to go to a doctor; reverse Roe V. Wade, getting women killed in back alleys, adopt personhood which will make certain birth control illegal and criminal, overturn Obamacare but promises to keep pre-existing conditions clause (although it applies ONLY to people who have had long-time insurance, not for new applicants with pre-existing conditions!) and women will automatically be back at the status of having pre-existing conditions just because they're women,just to mention a few. An American friend is retired in Belgium and my husband just came back from Sweden - people there cannot believe that this is part of US politics! Even though many European countries are Catholic or of other religions, they do not meddle in people's bedrooms! -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Diane Rosenfeldt Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 10:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President Um, I don't think the guy who was President the last 4 years caused ANY of the problems you mention. In fact, I know he didn't. I'm pretty sure in fact that his predecessor did, and the new person is from that same party and has that same agenda. We had the worst recession since 1929, and if you've read any American History, that catastrophe took almost 10 years to recover from, and that was with Congress more or less working together. Diane R. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lisa Conner Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 6:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] President Ok.. you are profiling and that is just plain wrong:) If we have the past 4 yours as the next 4 years, there will be a mass revolt. Seriously, from mass job losses, no growth of our country, the division of our country, we have to take a chance on a new person:) It can't get any worse. That is my 2 cents! Now , back to our Felv + kitties. I am fairly new to this group and joined because of losing my cat, Prancer. He lived
[Felvtalk] FW: Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list
I have never looked at archives, so why would a person who just joined do that when they ask a question or present their problem to the group? I really don’t see a problem here. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 10:19 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list I've always directed people to this list, but if the first thing they see when they look at the archives is talk about politics hunting they may just turn away. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!Image removed by sender. www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ _ From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list As someone posted already, as soon as someone needs advice, the off topic will change immediately. This happens during a lull – we haven’t had any serious issues for a while!, which is good. Then your problem came along, and I saw quite a few replies from several people; if you feel it wasn’t enough, ask again, what specific concerns or explanations you require after the advice was given. Yes, FeLV is super serious, and this is exactly where you can get help. attachment: ~WRD257.jpg___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list
As someone posted already, as soon as someone needs advice, the off topic will change immediately. This happens during a lull – we haven’t had any serious issues for a while!, which is good. Then your problem came along, and I saw quite a few replies from several people; if you feel it wasn’t enough, ask again, what specific concerns or explanations you require after the advice was given. Yes, FeLV is super serious, and this is exactly where you can get help. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of janine paton Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 10:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list I am surprised this list got so off topic. A few years ago, this wouldn't be allowed to happen. I have very strong political opinions, and very strong opinions about hunting, but what I rejoined this list for was only to understand how to deal with 9 kittens from a few different litters in same colony, where one tested positive and I think I got one, maybe two answers. I guess it's OK to talk about other things, if a newcomer feels like he or she has been listened to, but I did not. For me, 9 kittens are a lot of kittens to worry about even with past LK experience. So I don't really see how a total newcomer would have been helped by this list over the last week or two whatsoever. Leukemia is scary, and this list should be an opportunity to educate. I don't feel comfortable sending people to this list if they are ignored. Would rather stick to common sense, out of the box, how to help and what to expect.It's shame to loose this resource. My 2 cents. Janine _ From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, October 6, 2012 7:30:29 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again That’s what my vet gives me – Cyproheptadine (Periactin) – ¼ pill does a good job. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 9:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again Another brain cell woke up and reminded me that there's also an antihistamine called Ciproheptadine. I'm thinking that this is the one they use as an appetite stimulant. I just Googled it and sure enough, this is the one. If you want more information on getting your cat to eat go to the following Website: Tanya's Comprehensive Guide to Feline Chronic Kidney Disease. The URL is: www.crf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm There are some other hints on getting an anorexic cat to chow down also. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again I have been trying that, she eats just a smidge and then turns away :( Thank you :) Poor thing is just wasting away and I feel so helpless :( Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 17:58:20 -0400 From: ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again You can try gerber stage2 baby food...the meat kind (ham, beef, turkey, etc). Not all thw nutrition a cat needs but it gets them something. Christiane Biagi Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] sOMETHING IS WRONG.
You have to erase a lot of stuff - previous messages! It happens all the time because we've all been adding our 2 cents! From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of CATHERINE DIDONNA Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 3:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] sOMETHING IS WRONG. I'm getting a message saying my message is too long. this is the second time this happened.My message is the most three lines. I told the person that a wet cloth or cotton ball dipped in Star Olive Oil kills fleas,It came from the book Joey Green's pet cures.Thanks. C L DiDonna ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
I actually use Frontline on incoming cats with fleas..just that once, then it's the friendly little nematodes! From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 4:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products I don't believe that the doses would be different because you break the big one into 7 doses (as in Frontline Plus). I was afraid to do this at first because I thought it might somehow be different than the single doses but if you think about it, there's no sediment at the bottom of the tube. It's all uniformly mixed so no possibility of different strengths from breaking up the tube into smaller doses. What you are paying for in the standard cat dose is the packaging. You are paying for 3 plastic tubes instead of one larger plastic tube. I don't feel that plastic tubes are so great that I want to pay $15 extra above the cost of the ingredients. I wish more stuff was on a bring your own bottle basis. Some stuff in the grocery store is sold that way - peanut butter, honey, some cosmetics. Everything else is over-packaged so that when you finish your juice or your ketchup or whatever, you either toss the package, bottle into the landfill or you have to lug it to recycle if you don't live in a city with curbside pick-up. I have been breaking Frontline Plus and Revolution into cat size doses for years. Haven't tried Advantage though because it goes by weight and that's a little more work intensive, since I have several cats who can't fit through the doorway and several more who could slip through the keyhole. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products On 10-05, Edna Taylor wrote: My vet frowns on using any dog flea product on cats because she said even though it is the same ingredients, the portions of the same ingredients may be different. The vet will make much more money if you give individual doses. I cannot do this as I have 24 rescued cats at this time, and at $15. a pop, every month, I'd be broke in no time, so I buy flea stuff from CAnada or overseas and dose down from the big dog size. However, dosing down from the big dog size MUST be carefully figured out so the cats are not hurt. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
All around the house on the grass and under their outdoor enclosures. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 6:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products Do you use nematodes inside your house? I thought they are just for the yard, need soil and water to do their thing. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products I actually use Frontline on incoming cats with fleas….just that once, then it’s the friendly little nematodes! From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 4:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products I don't believe that the doses would be different because you break the big one into 7 doses (as in Frontline Plus). I was afraid to do this at first because I thought it might somehow be different than the single doses but if you think about it, there's no sediment at the bottom of the tube. It's all uniformly mixed so no possibility of different strengths from breaking up the tube into smaller doses. What you are paying for in the standard cat dose is the packaging. You are paying for 3 plastic tubes instead of one larger plastic tube. I don't feel that plastic tubes are so great that I want to pay $15 extra above the cost of the ingredients. I wish more stuff was on a bring your own bottle basis. Some stuff in the grocery store is sold that way - peanut butter, honey, some cosmetics. Everything else is over-packaged so that when you finish your juice or your ketchup or whatever, you either toss the package, bottle into the landfill or you have to lug it to recycle if you don't live in a city with curbside pick-up. I have been breaking Frontline Plus and Revolution into cat size doses for years. Haven't tried Advantage though because it goes by weight and that's a little more work intensive, since I have several cats who can't fit through the doorway and several more who could slip through the keyhole. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products On 10-05, Edna Taylor wrote: My vet frowns on using any dog flea product on cats because she said even though it is the same ingredients, the portions of the same ingredients may be different. The vet will make much more money if you give individual doses. I cannot do this as I have 24 rescued cats at this time, and at $15. a pop, every month, I'd be broke in no time, so I buy flea stuff from CAnada or overseas and dose down from the big dog size. However, dosing down from the big dog size MUST be carefully figured out so the cats are not hurt. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive?
My vet actually treats those cats in a “special” way, knowing that their immune systems are compromised.. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of molvey...@hotmail.com Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:57 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive? Yep, I've run into vets like that too and it pisses me off. In a nice way I let them know that I want the cat treated as though he didn't have a disease. In several cases I just haven't ever gone back to those vets. Or I'll go back to throw it in their face that a simple round of Clavamox took care of the situation and the cat is fine. Some of them just haven't had enough experience to know that FIV and FeLV doesn't always make a simple illness worse and I want them to know and see it for themselves so they don't tell their next client to put the cat down just because he's got FIV or FeLV. Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on ATT - Reply message - From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive? Date: Fri, Oct 5, 2012 7:00 am One of the strangest problems I face with my FeLv+ and FIV+ cats is going to the vet for a simple health issue. I bring in a fat, sleek cat with a URI and the vet asks me, in the course of treatment Is this one of your FeLv+ or FIV+ cats? Well, I have to say yes because we are at the doctor's office and it's not good to hide medical facts from your cat's doctor, right? And most of the time, even though the vet knows my opinion on cats who have these two disorders, the cat is viewed as different from another cat with a URI or diarrhea, or whatever simple issue the cat is going through and several times I have gotten a lecture of the This Is The Beginning Of The End type along with the antibiotic shot or whatever the protocol was for the actual issue. I find this annoying and frightening because I feel that my special needs cats are being treated as hopeless and perhaps are being given less appropriate treatment than my regular cats. Has anyone noticed this problem with their feline health care provider? There is one vet who I used for 15 years until I moved 50 miles away that never did this and never made me feel that I was selfishly keeping a sick cat alive. I would bring in my FIV+ and FeLv+ kits and he would treat them the same way he would treat the others. Even when I would tell him that Wally or Sugar or whoever, was FIV+ or Taco was FeLv+ he would say, Yes, I know. I did the test, remember? But this is just an upper respiratory infection. and that would be it. Shot given, pills prescribed, bill paid. I wish all vets were like that. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
Remember that there are some cats that you cannot bathe, no matter what! It is important to keep the soap on for about 5 minutes! Didsolve the little bugger’s waxy coating! Natalie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin Potter Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products Honestly, I found that a good old fashion bath with dawn dish soap and flea comb has been our best defense this year. ( along with a few house bombs) It sucks having to give everyone a bath but i like it more then putting greasy drops on my pets. From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products I bought Frontline for my foster cats last summer and it was completely ineffective. The next time I was at my vet’s office, I mentioned it (because that’s where I bought it). The vet on duty (not my regular) said she had recently heard many similar complaints and surmised that fleas in our area were building an immunity to it. I switched to Advantage and it’s worked well. However, since then, I found a source for a generic equivalent and I’ve been using it for about a year now with no complaints. It’s $10 (free shipping) for 18 treatments for small cats or 9 treatments for larger cats. If anyone is interested, the company is http://www.fleakiller.co/ I have no personal interest in this company or site. I’m just a very satisfied customer. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
Yes, it is the cruelest blood sport, except maybe with an atlatl, a really old type spear. Statistics for bowhunting injuries are over 50% - that means that for every deer actually tracked and retrieved, another one that has been shot with an arrow gets away, to die a slow, lingering death (all depending on where the deer is shot). A friend in Iowa fed one such deer with an arrow in the shoulder, he always came to her property and died there - she and a friend actually took him in a car to a vet. It took a whole year for Braveheart to die - she made a video - check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLGF9pOUV10 The ones that actually eat the meat are far and in-between! Most is trophy hunting! Natalie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting Bow hunting is CRUEL. It often leaves the poor animal in agony and it dies a slow painful death. We had a buck dying in our yard last winter, and we had to call for someone to put it out of it's misery. It was horrible and I was upset for weeks. I still can't stand to think about it. Hunters don't kill only for food. They also take the very best bucks who should be left to reproduce. I am so sick of hearing jerks say they are killing deer to keep them from starving. BS. They kill for fun! On 10-02, Joslin Potter wrote: I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting season, do you think they would not still reproduce like they do now? To each their own, again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and the people who do purchase linceses as this money is put back into the wild life. The funding from licenses and tags is used to insure a healthy population of wildlife in the states, including the DNR to enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat Natalie? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
The person who had the experience with Braveheart is actually a member, and I joined at her suggestion because I had two FeLV+ cats at the time. Natalie -Original Message- From: GRAS [mailto:g...@optonline.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:01 PM To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting Yes, it is the cruelest blood sport, except maybe with an atlatl, a really old type spear. Statistics for bowhunting injuries are over 50% - that means that for every deer actually tracked and retrieved, another one that has been shot with an arrow gets away, to die a slow, lingering death (all depending on where the deer is shot). A friend in Iowa fed one such deer with an arrow in the shoulder, he always came to her property and died there - she and a friend actually took him in a car to a vet. It took a whole year for Braveheart to die - she made a video - check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLGF9pOUV10 The ones that actually eat the meat are far and in-between! Most is trophy hunting! Natalie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting Bow hunting is CRUEL. It often leaves the poor animal in agony and it dies a slow painful death. We had a buck dying in our yard last winter, and we had to call for someone to put it out of it's misery. It was horrible and I was upset for weeks. I still can't stand to think about it. Hunters don't kill only for food. They also take the very best bucks who should be left to reproduce. I am so sick of hearing jerks say they are killing deer to keep them from starving. BS. They kill for fun! On 10-02, Joslin Potter wrote: I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting season, do you think they would not still reproduce like they do now? To each their own, again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and the people who do purchase linceses as this money is put back into the wild life. The funding from licenses and tags is used to insure a healthy population of wildlife in the states, including the DNR to enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat Natalie? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] FW: Bow hunting
It’s really interesting because when, and that’s rarely, that they reach a biological carrying capacity (or in a severe winter and no food), sperm counts go down and females, in real dire situations, will actually absorb their fetuses. Also, people mistake deer as starving in the winter because they may seem thin, ribs showing, it’s only that thyroxin (a calcium-rich hormone) regulates their metabolisms in cold weather….even iof a lot of food were available, they might not be able to absorb all the nutrition. The best thing is to leave them alone – thousands of years, and they have been able to regulate themselves until commercial hunting almost wiped them out at the end of the last century, and states had to start managing them to bring back the herds – then they found out what a big business it can be (hunting licenses, P-R Act, etc)- now they manage for MSY. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting Yes, I've heard from wildlife experts that the population of all species will level off at the carrying capacity (food, shelter) of the habitat, despite predation (of any sort). This is why if you want to reduce a species' population, you have to sterilize and return, so the sterilized ones take up some of that capacity. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: No, they wouldn’t reproduce the same way, that’s the whole point! According to research on reproduction, hunted herds twin only 14%, while hunted herds twin or even triple at 38%. It’s just nature’s way! In fact, predators are better hunters because they go for the sick and old animals, while hunters avoid them, thereby actually degrading the gene pool – healthier animals are not the result of hunting – that’s done at deer farms by mating the best with the best specimen, producing fantastic trophy animals. No, I do not eat any meat. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin Potter Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 2:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting season, do you think they would not still reproduce like they do now? To each their own, again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and the people who do purchase linceses as this money is put back into the wild life. The funding from licenses and tags is used to insure a healthy population of wildlife in the states, including the DNR to enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat Natalie? It may provide your family with meat, BUT, technically, hunting doesn’t really lower deer populations except in the immediate aftermath of a cull. Next year, there will be the same number of deer, if not more, because hunting encourages and spurs reproduction through compensatory rebound and because states manage deer for MSY (maximum sustained yield). I’m sure that you will notice that the population doesn’t really go down in the long run. I have made it my business to learn as much as I can about deer biology/reproduction. Natalie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin Potter Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:48 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as keeping population under control. -Joslin ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
In CT and many other states they are no longer required to have IDs on arrows - it was fought tooth and nail because they didn't want to be identified as bad marksmen! From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting This just happened not far from us, our cat community is very upset and the person removed the tip of the arrow to avoid identification. http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/19661631/2012/09/27/cat-shot-with-arrow-r ecovering#.UGWrSCitdWc.facebook On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: Bow hunting is CRUEL. It often leaves the poor animal in agony and it dies a slow painful death. We had a buck dying in our yard last winter, and we had to call for someone to put it out of it's misery. It was horrible and I was upset for weeks. I still can't stand to think about it. Hunters don't kill only for food. They also take the very best bucks who should be left to reproduce. I am so sick of hearing jerks say they are killing deer to keep them from starving. BS. They kill for fun! On 10-02, Joslin Potter wrote: I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting season, do you think they would not still reproduce like they do now? To each their own, again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and the people who do purchase linceses as this money is put back into the wild life. The funding from licenses and tags is used to insure a healthy population of wildlife in the states, including the DNR to enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat Natalie? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough
I've watched the show a few times, and most of those cat owners are real idiots! It makes me so mad, that I can't watch. But, yes, the guy knows what he's doing! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 8:57 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough These people worried about the cats scratching furniture, soiling carpets, etc. should watch My Cat From Hell. After seeing a couple of shows, i came to the same conclusion, the cat isn't the problem, the PEOPLE are. This guy really knows cats. He has all 7 of mine pegged to the smallest detail. Followed his advise and it works, especialy the Clicker. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
I feel so horrible for anyone who has to watch their loved ones, people or pets, suffer needlessly without the proper help! I sat with my mother for 3 weeks, even nights, but had to go to her house to care for her cats, take a shower and change clothing. They were going to send her home with a hospital bed, but thankfully, I was able to persuade them to allow her to stay because I knew that the end was near. I would have been stuck all alone, 24/7, with no help (my sister worked), away from home. She died 2 days after they planned on moving her - can't they tell how near death someone is, at least by fluid intake and going out? I could tell. The morphine and fluids really helped - my mother didn't seem in any distress the whole time! She still would have preferred just to be allowed to be let go immediately. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 9:24 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 26, 2012, at 5:43 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 09-25, Marcia wrote: My 3 other siblings and I took care of my Mom for 3 weeks while she died at home. Her request(: hospice said no fluid, so she laid there with nothing all that time, struggling to breath, to swallow. Etc. I only cried one time during that 3 weeks, because I had a job to do that required quite a bit of mental strength and clarity. The day I broke down was when Timothy McVay was euthanized. I cried because my mother was suffering and that son of a bitch died effortlessly. People should have that choice and in some countries they do. But not here in the land of the free. That must have been a terrible expeience for you Marcia. Wasn't she given fluids by mouth and morphine? As for McVay - He should have been tortured to death! Criminals also get free surgery and all the other things we don't get. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
When I moved my mother to a better hospital, where they had the hospice, they quickly wheeled her out for another MRI before the move - there was no need for it - just make some more money! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 4:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia That probably had a lot to do with it! On 09-26, Edna Taylor wrote: They just want to get as much MONEY from the family and their insurance company as they can :( ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] NY Times: Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough
Absolutely - that's what they can choose to do in the Netherlands..so much better! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 12:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] NY Times: Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough personally, I think we should do this for people too, end their suffering. What quality of life does someone have who simply lays in bed in a vegetative state? Who are we keeping that person alive for? to what end? If it were me, and I had some life ending disease or accident, I would want my husband to use what money we had, go out and get as much booze and coke as he could get and let me go out with a bang ;) But then again, that is just my opinion ;) _ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 11:51:19 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] NY Times: Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough Very informative an interesting article, and make sure you check out the ones available within the copy, too! http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/23/opinion/sunday/deciding-when-a-pet-has-suf fered-enough.html?src=me http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/23/opinion/sunday/deciding-when-a-pet-has-su ffered-enough.html?src=meref=general ref=general ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Barnaby in your thoughts
People are so stupid - after adopting out cats for 20 years, I cannot get over it. Once poor Barnaby is out of there, they should cement that gap so it doesn't happen again. Can food and water be placed into that crawlspace? From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 5:28 PM To: FeLV Talk Subject: [Felvtalk] Please keep Barnaby in your thoughts One of my FeLV foster cats, Barnaby, was adopted last week. His adopters kept him in a bathroom for 2 days (they were told to give him at least 2 weeks to get used to being moved) then let him out in a house. He immediately went in a crawl space in the basement. The space is inaccessible. He has not eaten food that has been left in the ceiling. This is going on a week now he has not had food or water. We are going over tonight to with a snake camera which can see into tight places. We have to decide whether to cut a hole in the side of the house or remove the bathtub. Please don't judge this persons involved. Just please keep him in your thoughts tonight. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!Image removed by sender. www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ attachment: ~WRD280.jpg___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Chloe not eating
A sign of stomatitis is usually pawing at the mouth when eating. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 5:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Chloe not eating Stomatitis will cause this behavior. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!Image removed by sender. www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ _ From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Transport to Best Friends Hi My year and a half FELV pos Choe is suddenly as of last night not eating. She seems hungry and runs to the bowl, but then just looks at it and doesn't seem to like what's in the bowl! She seems a little growly too at the other cats. And she keeps wanting to go outside for some reason but I won't let her as she would not come back in last night but luckily I got her in. Strange behavior for her. What do you all think? I am taking her to vet tonight. She doesn't seem like she is lethargic so I am not sure running a fever. What is the consensus? Dotty - Freehold _ attachment: ~WRD324.jpg___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Nutrition and new FeLV positive kitten (Lisa)/REPLY
All the Hill's Science Diet foods are absolute junk! Look at the ingredients - you can do better reading labels on better quality foods, and get better food for less. Instead of A-D, to mix with meds and use syringe, I cook chicken and then use my Magic Bullet to make a chicken mousse with the broth that chicken was cooked in (after removing the fat). Our cats actually used to prefer the dry Science Diet to the cans! Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot winkler Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 6:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Nutrition and new FeLV positive kitten (Lisa)/REPLY Yes, that ino does help. Thanks. I'll look for the Nutra-Cal. Is it sort of like Ensure? Or is it that brown gel like substance that comes in a tube? I used to give my one cat who had hepatitis that stuff. Don't know if it's the same. I'll check it out. It's funny but Chloe, FELV pos does not like the dry Sci Diet food that much. She prefers wet food. She's very finicky and i go thru lots of cans for her since she is so fussy. _ From: Lisa Conner lisa.con...@syniverse.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Nutrition and new FeLV positive kitten (Lisa) I used Nutra-Cal for my Felv kitty, Prancer that just passed away. He lived for over 9 years! I ordered it from my Vet or Entirely Pets.com http://pets.com/ . Also, I used Interferon for many years and this was only $25.00 for a bottle, the bottle lasted for about 2 months for his size (10 lbs). Prancer did not like wet food and I typically fed him Science Diet or Purina One. I know that is a bit pricey for some on a budget, but I swear by it for a Felv catJ I also used these for a Felv Kitten (3 weeks old) that somebody threw out on the street and I was lucky enough to be walking the dog when they dumped the kitten off. A friend of mine adopted the kitten and we are waiting to retest the kitten. The kitten is doing great! Cisco actually had hookworms and I found out from the vet that hookworms can kill a kitten!! Hope this information helps! Lisa Conner ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Barnaby in your thoughts
Great news! Please have them close up that gap so it can't happen again! Hope Barnaby is OK! Keep us posted! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Barnaby in your thoughts Yay I'm so happy for you him. Hang in there Barnaby. Blessings to all~ L -Original Message- From: Beth Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 9:56 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Barnaby in your thoughts After 5 hrs we have him. What an evening! Barnaby is on his way to the emergency vet. Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: I'm so sorry and admire for your plea of non judgement. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:28 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: One of my FeLV foster cats, Barnaby, was adopted last week. His adopters kept him in a bathroom for 2 days (they were told to give him at least 2 weeks to get used to being moved) then let him out in a house. He immediately went in a crawl space in the basement. The space is inaccessible. He has not eaten food that has been left in the ceiling. This is going on a week now he has not had food or water. We are going over tonight to with a snake camera which can see into tight places. We have to decide whether to cut a hole in the side of the house or remove the bathtub. Please don't judge this persons involved. Just please keep him in your thoughts tonight. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or g ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 2 Darling Devils..
What kind of a vet would suggest euthanasia of cats that once had a cold? With vets like that, who needs enemies! The same goes for having a cold that would be a corona virus, which often makes diagnosis of FIP hard because it's also a corona virus.OMG - I have NEVER, ever, heard of anything like that! It's not a stigma, nor should it be, and never has been for us; most people have no idea what all that means, unless some vet scares the hell out of them with such nonsense .. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 2:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 2 Darling Devils.. We have two cats at our house that had Calici when we rescued them and it should not be a lifelong stigma because once they are over it and continue to get an FVRCP vaccination every year there should be no issues. Also, if they are adopted into a household with other cats and those cats are vaccinated, there should not be a problem with them either. I have never heard of anyone not wanting to adopt a cat because he/she had the flu when he/she was a kitten. Basically, that is what the Calicivirus is, the flu, and while it CAN (and often does) kill a cat, not adopting because a cat was once sick seems ludicrous to me. Send me some pictures and I will circulate them Edna Texas Siamese Rescue _ From: linda.dem...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 12:41:24 -0400 Subject: [Felvtalk] 2 Darling Devils.. Hello Everyone, I am writing to you all in hopes that I may reach a broader group of wonderful people. Over 6 months ago I rescued 2 kittens that are both negative for fiv/felv but had the calisi virus and were scheduled for euthanasia. They were from different litters and grouped together. I went in an scooped them up and spent close to 1000 dollars on treatment medication vaccinations neuter microchip etc. They are now healthy and ready for a new home...problem is they are about 6.6 months old and I have had zero interest in them. I am willing to do out of state adoptions, but I will not make any exceptions on a vet reference and a home visit...which is what I am requesting. These guys are awesome and I would love for them to be adopted together because they have bonded so well, however I will not deny either one of them a good home because of this. I am in it for the long haul...I just really need help advocating their adoption because apparently there is some stigma attached to them due to the calisi they had as babesany and all positive and constructive advise is super duper appreciatedthank you all...and God Bless! Linda Demiri ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Transport to Best Friends
I have transported several real scaredy cats by plane, in the cabin. I always used a harness with a leash on them and a pillow case over them when I took them out of the carrier to go through security. I merely picked up the pillow case, with the open end together in a bunch, leash hanging out.then slipped the pillowcase with cat back into the carrier, and removed the leash from the harness so he wouldn't get entangled. Eventually the cat made himself comfortable in the pillow case and even peeked out from the inside. The TSA people thought that I was nuts, with all those precautions - giggling, making fun - I asked them if they would you prefer an escaped cat, 'cause I wouldn't! Even if this cat is sedated, please get a harness and a leash as an extra precaution! You never know how they can react, maybe even freak out! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jamielynn Storch Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 1:18 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Transport to Best Friends This is a cat that failed in his last attempt to make it to Best Friends because of how poorly he handled transport. He was 1 of 3 cats supposed to be headed out there and they decided they needed to work with a vet to find a better solution for getting him through long travel. The biggest issue is now with all the new travel security requirements he can't just stay in his carrier he must be removed and his carrier xrayed while he comes through the xray with me. They have done tests runs with the sedation and feel it is the best option for us making it through security safely without putting him, myself or security at risk when removing him from the carrier. Other products have not worked with him. He takes a very long time to adjust and warm up (but once he does is said to be a total sweety). Other problem being I do not know nor have I ever met this cat. He will be arriving at my house in a few hours but I am no home and will only have time to meet him for about 10 minutes prior to being out the door again this evening. None of it is the ideal situation however I am his only option to save his life and I do not feel comfortable removing a cat from the carrier unsedated that those who actually know the cat have expressed great concern about the problems I will have with him. I don't think its as simple as minor anxiety or stress for this guy. -- Jamielynn Storch www.jlynnphotographyonline.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver
How are Oliver's kidney values? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 9:58 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver Don, It is amazing that Oliver has lived to be 15 with a FelV+ status. Most of my FelV+ cats either die of anemia or they lose the use of their back legs due to tumors on the spine. If Oliver has made it this long I'd just keep him happy and and give him plenty of TLC. 15 is about the end of life for most cats anyway, and the fact that he lived this long is proof you are taking excellent care of him. As for your other two cats. At 14 and 16, they are also reaching the end of their lives, and I think they will be fine if they haven't gotten the virus so far. Just keep all three of them happy and stress free. This really helps, and I have found heroic measures don't help, they only prolong the inevitable. pain and stress for the time the cat has left as well as well as emotional and financial hell for youself. Lorrie On 09-08, Don wrote: Hello. Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to CRF last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we had been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just turned 15 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and seemed to be warm to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who suggest it might just be a virus (most of this blood panel was good, except a low white blood cell count, now 2% below normal HCT values since July, and a 105 F temperature). He suggested we might test him for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out even though Oliver has always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap test...as far as we know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad news came later when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the FIV could be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has), but the other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and the fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't see much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent the blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back until next week. Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a few weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might be losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be optimistic, but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we cannot win. Here are my questions: 1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently (they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens). Are they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still safe? We have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they use separate water and food bowls. There is not grooming among them. 2. Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and become free of it? If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he have symptoms now? If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any way he would have gotten it) then could he still be fine? 3. He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter box, etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it off or is this just a false hope. 4. If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI treatment? I have not found good scientific info on it's effectiveness although there appear to be no major side effects. Thanks. Don and Oliver ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver
Sorry, I could have sworn that you did..don't have time to go back to see all the mail! Kitties awaiting me to medicate them. natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 6:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver His thyroid is normal as well (the vet did check it in July as he noted an slightly enlarged thyroid). I don't recall mentioning tapazole. He got a shot of Covina and a steroid at the vet but that is all he is on. Thanks. On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: What about thyroid? Why the Tapazole? From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 4:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver His BUN and Crea are normal. His HCT has dropped from about 30% to 28% since July. Otherwise everything else is normal. On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 1:29 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: How are Oliver's kidney values? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 9:58 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver Don, It is amazing that Oliver has lived to be 15 with a FelV+ status. Most of my FelV+ cats either die of anemia or they lose the use of their back legs due to tumors on the spine. If Oliver has made it this long I'd just keep him happy and and give him plenty of TLC. 15 is about the end of life for most cats anyway, and the fact that he lived this long is proof you are taking excellent care of him. As for your other two cats. At 14 and 16, they are also reaching the end of their lives, and I think they will be fine if they haven't gotten the virus so far. Just keep all three of them happy and stress free. This really helps, and I have found heroic measures don't help, they only prolong the inevitable. pain and stress for the time the cat has left as well as well as emotional and financial hell for youself. Lorrie On 09-08, Don wrote: Hello. Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to CRF last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we had been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just turned 15 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and seemed to be warm to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who suggest it might just be a virus (most of this blood panel was good, except a low white blood cell count, now 2% below normal HCT values since July, and a 105 F temperature). He suggested we might test him for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out even though Oliver has always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap test...as far as we know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad news came later when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the FIV could be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has), but the other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and the fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't see much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent the blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back until next week. Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a few weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might be losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be optimistic, but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we cannot win. Here are my questions: 1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently (they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens). Are they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still safe? We have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they use separate water and food bowls. There is not grooming among them. 2. Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and become free of it? If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he have symptoms now? If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any way he would have gotten it) then could he still be fine? 3. He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter box, etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it off or is this just a false hope. 4. If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI treatment? I
Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
Whenever our cats were put on Science Diet, they hated it, lost weight…because they didn’t want to eat it. Wasted a lot food, a lot of money, and didn’t help the cats. It’s disgusting! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:28 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition I absolutely detest Science Diet. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:08 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I used Hills on and off for years and found that my cats threw up more often with it. So I finally quit using. Water fountains are great. Not only do the cats drink. They sit for hours watching the water go round and round. Only problem was, two or three of my cats started urinating around the fountain. Maybe they were trying to imitate it. Who knows what goes through the minds of cats. No, they didn't have UTI, just a bit of bad attitude. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition Vets push the Hills because Hills says to. Emma Beauchamp weazy...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello All, My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday night) she contracted a UTI. She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130 dollars later she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were present in her bladder. I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given Hill's Science Prescription diet S/D. I bought a bag of Dry Food and a couple of cans of wet. My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet food yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled at the dry food and turned away. After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry food in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water intake! I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so what kind of food/diet did you switch to? Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well. I used to feed her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were tight so I switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway! So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!! Emma Beauchamp ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
When switching foods, it is very important to do it correctly. When cats have been used to one food, and when suddenly exposed to a new food, their enzymes are not used to it, often causing diarrhea and vomiting. You have to use both old and new food, slowly increasing the proportions of the new food. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of longhornf...@verizon.net Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 2:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition Wow! I'm really surprised. I've had all my healthy cats on SD since they were kittens. One in particular loved it so much, he would inhale it. We had him on W/D. He was a big cat, a domestic orange white kitty - he was almost 4 ft long from the tip of his paw to the end on his tail (not stretched, just when he laid down). He weighed 30 lbs, and lived to be 15 1/2 yrs. My 15 year old dachshund has been on SD since 8 weeks old. She is still very active plays with my cat Kirby every chance she gets. I guess some do better on it more than others. I did try to switch her food to Nutro when she was about 5. She got sick every night. When I put her back on SD, she was fine. Just thought I would share my experience. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:08:30 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: Fleas
This may answer your concern: http://www.wondercide.com/content/is-cedar-toxic-to-cats/ From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 12:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: Fleas I thought that cedar caused liver damage in small animals. Anyone see ever hear about this? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 30, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I found something that I received from a friend a while back – was someone asking about flea treatments in this group? I think I have used everything you can think of and this is the best stuff I have used. The fleas take one or two steps and they are gone. There is no residual effect, but your house smells like a cedar closet. Best Way is what they sell to spray right on the pet and in your house. Then ProChoice I think is the name of it for your yard. This stuff kills all non beneficial insects but not benefical like bees and butterflies. So daddy long legs will survive but not roaches or mosquites or ticks etc. www.cedarcide.com It is made in Houston, Tx from a specific cedar tree. Susan ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/reply
Feeding dry food to outside cats is often the only option, especially in the winter, so that the food doesn’t freeze. Dry food should never be the ONLY food for cats, but as a supplement, it’s OK. Unfortunately, many people feed only dry food. It was found that dry food is extremely addictive to cats because of what they put into it. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 9:10 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/reply The cheapest yet healthiest food I've found is raw that I mix up myself, using balanced recipes online (I can send you links and my own recipe, if you like). I buy at Whole Foods, so I'm paying about twice what you could otherwise---and I'm still only paying about half the amount of the best commercial canned food out there (currently Merrick Before Grain, even though Merrick has had some complaints about their dog food). That's about 70 cents/day/cat, and you could probably be doing it for 35 cents/day/cat. You'll also save on vet bills for diabetes, etc., and they won't be as susceptible to urinary problems, which can kill a male in hours before you even notice it. A local pet store gives me outdated raw and canned food. (I refuse the dry food, as it's so bad for cats.) If you let them know you're feeding ferals, one of yours may do the same. On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 4:58 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Talk to local rescues. Our rescue strictly uses Science Diet, so when people donate other kinds of food, they give it to volunteers or feral feeders. Sometimes it's really high quality food, sometimes not. We also have something called Daffy's Pet Soup Kitchen which provides food to people who cannot afford it. There are 2 organizations like that in our area. The best thing to do would be to get friendly with a shelter that can provide you with info on resources. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ _ From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/reply Hi Beth - how do I find out about places that donate food? Or how do I get it at cost? I work alone and don't belong to an organization. thanks, Dot _ From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? Are there any places which donate food in your area? We have several in Atlanta. Also rescues can sometimes get food to feral feeders at cost. You could also set up a Chip-in for people to donate $ for food. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ _ From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? Hi I was reading your mail. What did you mean about that is the price of free food? Do you receive food free for feeding the cats? I do not TNR. I don't belong to any program. Just my lone self feeding the 7 cats. (they are all neutered except 2 by someone else) I have spent so much money on them each week. Money I don't have. It is getting to be a bad situation for me. _ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/ http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching:
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Ascites?
Oh, no - poor baby! I am so sorry! The vet couldn't think of trying anything else? I also found that when they don't respond to antibiotics, toxoplasmosis may be present, and it took me over 6 months, 2 yrs ago, of medicating to finally get rid of it - the kitten was negative on everything else. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Forgotten Felines Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 1:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Ascites? She also had a fever that wouldn't respond to antibiotics, not even a cool cloth, and diarrhea. Kaya had a vet appointment on Monday and was diagnosed with FIP, so I put her to sleep before it could get any worse =( On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: http://www.medicinenet.com/ascites/article.htm - this should answer some of your questions about ascites. Learn about ascites, accumulation of fluid in the abdominal cavity. Some common causes of ascites include liver disease or cirrhosis, portal hypertension, cancers. ... We had a cat with cancer, and he had to have ascites drained several times; unfortunately, our vet said that you can't do it only so often.. Don't jump to conclusions that it's FIP!~ Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Forgotten Felines Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:01 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV Ascites? My FeLV+ kitten developed ascites and I'm worried the vet is going to tell me it's FIP. Does anyone know if ascites is ever related to FeLV? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?
You can always go to a large pet supply store and ask if they have any torn/damaged bags of dry food - most will gladly donate them. That's right, chip in is a GRRREAT idea, Beth! Go to www.chipin.com - you'd be surprised what people collect money for, a party, a present for someone, and serious stuff! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:58 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? Are there any places which donate food in your area? We have several in Atlanta. Also rescues can sometimes get food to feral feeders at cost. You could also set up a Chip-in for people to donate $ for food. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!Image removed by sender. www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ _ From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? Hi I was reading your mail. What did you mean about that is the price of free food? Do you receive food free for feeding the cats? I do not TNR. I don't belong to any program. Just my lone self feeding the 7 cats. (they are all neutered except 2 by someone else) I have spent so much money on them each week. Money I don't have. It is getting to be a bad situation for me. _ attachment: ~WRD000.jpg___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight
There must be someone who could take over feeding them - especially with colder weather coming (don't know where you are)..they cannot be left without food after relying on it for so long. I have never liked TNR because there were never any people to take responsibility. Since I do rescue and care for many at home, I could not add the responsibility of caring for outside cats, too - there's just not enough time and energy. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 4:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight All too true. When I had a house fire in 2007 and moved I packed up my yard cats and brought them along. I still have two of them. One is 11 years old, absolutely untouchable, and she was my first TNR cat. Once you start feeding they learn to depend on you. You can't just walk away and leave them. Where are you located? There must be other feral feeders or TNR groups in your area. Perhaps we can help you find them and you could get some relief while you heal up. (Are the cats you've been feeding all spayed and neutered?) Please do NOT involve your local animal control agency. They very well might round up the cats and kill them. If you want to get those cats homes then take in one or two of the tame ones in at a time and foster until a home is found. From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight Dozens of years re feeding. We trap, s/n and release. That is the price of free food. I would not feel right about abandoning my wild friends. When I moved to care for my mother, I got neighbors to take care of the one feral at that house. I visited when I could and furnished the food. We have fed ferals at Mom's for as long as I can remember. And calling a shelter will probably result in the death of most of the cats you have been caring for. On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:02 PM, dot winkler wrote: Hi. I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went thru - I didn't see any replies. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat feeding. I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now. I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks and will have a very difficult postop recovery. I have no-one else to feed the cats. I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously the newspaper to expose their plight. Perhaps some can be adopted, if a facility would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the newspaper. I also could try to help in the adoption process. ALSO, my other question is, how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats? I am thinking this cannot go on forever. Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I can't find adoptions? Any input on this, would be great. Thanks From: Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Ascites? I wouldn't know..besides of FIP it could be heart trouble and other conditions. Sorry I can't reasure you. The vet can draw fluid and analyze it for protein content, high protein is FIP. Last year and earlier this year we lost two kittens to FIP almost a month apart. When they extracted fluid from the first one it was clear but the analysis confirmed the high protein content. So dx was FIP, later on vet found a large mass growing so concluded that he had pancreatic cancer thus the fluid_at that point was greenish_his sister also got a FIP dx, high prt fluid but more typical; yellow viscous fluid, no cancer. I'm wishing all the best to you and your kitten http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: Forgotten Felines toledoc...@gmail.com To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV Ascites? My FeLV+ kitten developed ascites and I'm worried the vet is going to tell me it's FIP. Does anyone know if ascites is ever related to FeLV? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list
[Felvtalk] FW: FW: Stomatitis
Sounds bad – not sure that I would do extractions…the stomatitis is at the back of the mouth up down. I can’t even guarantee that I could give Sox the pain killers when needed – he is extremely hyper and sensitive, very scared of strangers….poor cat! He’s pretty good with us now, but when I pick him up, he becomes this tight, curled up bundle. I have been told that there are no guarantees with immune-suppressed cats. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 12:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Stomatitis Snowy had three separate procedures -- the first to extract teeth, then when that did not solve the problem she had the first laser treatment, and then she went back for a touch-up with the laser. So we were doing pain meds before, during and after. Snowy's situation was pretty extreme. Her gums were purple and the pain was so severe that she could not eat on her own. If I tried to put medicine in her mouth she went ballistic. Her mouth was on fire and everything hurt. We wound up doing injectible buprenex for the pain. This allowed her to eat. I hid her prednisone in cat food. And then I tucked her in a cage at night with a plate of clindamycin-spiked tuna. That was our process. But without really serious opiate based pain meds none of this would have worked. I also spent a lot of time hand feeding her. She was able to lick from my fingers what she could not eat from the plate. I think the plate may have bumped or rubbed her gums. The laser was NOT the sort that could be done without anesthesia. This cat was in such extreme pain that she could not even be examined without sedation. This was an invasive procedure that burned away the bad tissue and allowed new tissue to grow in its place. It worked. I really thought we were going to have to euthanize this cat. But the laser really worked. Still, it was a difficult several months and the recovery process was slow. The pain meds were essential to getting both Snowy and me through this. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis
I will, thank you! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis Natalie, This isn't holistic, but my parent's cat was suffering terribly from stomatitis to the point where they were considering putting him down. Instead, one of the vet tech suggested COLD LASER THERAPY - WORKED INCREDIBLY! Tabby's doing GREAT now - has put his weight back on and is back to his reg. self. Took 5 sessions I think, no sedation, and each visit for treatment they were in and out in under 10 minutes. Check into it! T --- On Thu, 8/23/12, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 11:52 AM Kathryn, I now that you posted the holistic stomatitis protocol a while back, I thought that I saved it, but can’t find it. I would very much like to try it on two of our FIV+ cats with stomatitis – one case is severe, one just a little. However, those cats are not easy to handle…would I be able to use it on them? Natalie =^..^= -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://us.mc1609.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis
I also know someone who had the cat’s teeth extracted – it didn’t work, and she wished that she hadn’t done it. However, I also know someone whose cat was helped with teeth extraction! I’m not willing to take that chance because there’s even less guarantee with FIV+ cats! Now I really have to look into the cold laser treatment! FIV+ Sox is really miserable, and gets a prednisone injection every three months! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 2:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis Also not holistic but effective... I have a foster who had stomatitis and regenerative tissue gingivitis. Removing the teeth did not help. Her gums were purple and she could not eat. She had two sessions with a laser, under anesthesia, and weeks of buprenex, prednisone and clindamycin, but she's been off all meds for a couple of months now and it seems that she really is OK now. From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis I will, thank you! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis Natalie, This isn't holistic, but my parent's cat was suffering terribly from stomatitis to the point where they were considering putting him down. Instead, one of the vet tech suggested COLD LASER THERAPY - WORKED INCREDIBLY! Tabby's doing GREAT now - has put his weight back on and is back to his reg. self. Took 5 sessions I think, no sedation, and each visit for treatment they were in and out in under 10 minutes. Check into it! T --- On Thu, 8/23/12, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 11:52 AM Kathryn, I now that you posted the holistic stomatitis protocol a while back, I thought that I saved it, but can’t find it. I would very much like to try it on two of our FIV+ cats with stomatitis – one case is severe, one just a little. However, those cats are not easy to handle…would I be able to use it on them? Natalie =^..^= -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list http://us.mc1609.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens
Some vets even tell people to kill FIV+ kittensunless they were exposed to FIV directly, they are never positive even with a FIV+ mother! Why are some vets so damned stupid? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 7:17 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens Some vets say to euthanize FelV cats right away, but most vets now realize many positive cats revert to negative in time. My 4 positive kittens look so healthy, and they're playful and adorable. I will give them the happiest life I can and hope they revert to negative when I retest. Lorrie On 08-21, Jannes Taylor wrote: I recused a cat who was approx. 3 years old. She tested positive the first time for FELV but three months later she tested negative on the ELISA and the IFA. The first time she tested positive the vet hinted that I should euthanize her! I am so glad I did not listen to him. BTW, he is no longer my vet. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens
Which test did he have? My new email address is:atia@gmail.com -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens Does it make a difference to how you love him? On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:59 PM, McKenna's wrote: We have a bot, belonged to the ahole neighbors who did not take care of him. We have known him since he was about 4-5 months old. Very long story short, we have him. Took him to the vet to get a check up, shots and neutered with the intention of making him a part of our family, along with 3 other cats. Found out he was Feluk+. After balling and researching this crap disease, we decided we loved him too much to let him go anywhere but here. He was approximately 1 year and 8 months old when he tested positive on 11/29/11. He is now almost 2 and a half. I was wondering if anyone could tell me if it would be beneficial to have him re-tested. Is there any chance he may have grown out of it since he was younger when he got it? He eats well and plays well. Sometimes, his stool contains a small amount of blood in it. We have had him tested for everything in an effort to find out why this is. The vet stated she does not believe the blood has anything to do with his FeLuk. He is currently on ID. So, does anyone think getting him tested again is a good idea? Melissa L. McKenna -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 7:46 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens Glad you left that vet. even if the cat were still positive, at that age she culd live a long and healthy life. Annie was 4 when she tested positive. She is now 8 going on 9 and the healiest, happiest cat I ever saw. Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com wrote: I recused a cat who was approx. 3 years old. She tested positive the first time for FELV but three months later she tested negative on the ELISA and the IFA. The first time she tested positive the vet hinted that I should euthanize her! I am so glad I did not listen to him. BTW, he is no longer my vet. Jannes From: Liz Lee Morris liz...@sccoast.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens Hi, I have a kitten who tested Felv positive at 5 weeks old on both the IFA and Elisa test. Both were done on the same day. He is so precious to me and I am so sad. The vet basically said he has no chance. I have been giving him lysine daily and lots of love. He is now 3 months old and is happy and appears healthy. Is it possible that he might be negative now? From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens Hang in there Lorrie. Sometimes they turn. Did you ever find the mom cat? If so, have her tested too. If she's young, she may turn negative in 90 days also. The ones a year or younger sometimes do. Even older cats can fight it off. I have a cat who was positive when rescued. He was about 2-3 years old, male. Had him for about 90 days in a separate room, retested with IFA test and again with the ELISA test and he was negative with both tests. I still have Moses. It has been 6 years now. Percy, a recent rescue tested positive for FIV and FeLv. Kept him in a room for 90 days also, retested. He's FIV+ but negative for FeLv so I moved him to my little FIV+ area. He's doing fine. Unfortunately, Smooch and Taco were also adult FeLv+ cats, stayed positive after 90 days. They roomed together, separate from my other cats for 2 years, died within a month of each other. Sad but at least they had those 2 years. Two years to a cat is like 5 years to us. Hugs to you and the kittens. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From:Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 7:38 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens I rescued a litter of four kittens two months ago. Had them tested yesterday for FelV and all 4 are positive! I am heartsick. However, I have a FelV section in my cageless shelter building where they will be able to stay until they are tested again in 90 days. They appear so healthy and playful right now, and I can't bear to put them to sleep. Still I know some of them may not make it SO SAD. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens
Sorry, I meant which FeLV test was done on him? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of longhornf...@verizon.net Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens My FeLV kitty had blood in his stools but he also had coccidia. Lynda Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: GRAS g...@optonline.net Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:11:54 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens Which test did he have? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens Does it make a difference to how you love him? On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:59 PM, McKenna's wrote: We have a bot, belonged to the ahole neighbors who did not take care of him. We have known him since he was about 4-5 months old. Very long story short, we have him. Took him to the vet to get a check up, shots and neutered with the intention of making him a part of our family, along with 3 other cats. Found out he was Feluk+. After balling and researching this crap disease, we decided we loved him too much to let him go anywhere but here. He was approximately 1 year and 8 months old when he tested positive on 11/29/11. He is now almost 2 and a half. I was wondering if anyone could tell me if it would be beneficial to have him re-tested. Is there any chance he may have grown out of it since he was younger when he got it? He eats well and plays well. Sometimes, his stool contains a small amount of blood in it. We have had him tested for everything in an effort to find out why this is. The vet stated she does not believe the blood has anything to do with his FeLuk. He is currently on ID. So, does anyone think getting him tested again is a good idea? Melissa L. McKenna -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 7:46 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens Glad you left that vet. even if the cat were still positive, at that age she culd live a long and healthy life. Annie was 4 when she tested positive. She is now 8 going on 9 and the healiest, happiest cat I ever saw. Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com wrote: I recused a cat who was approx. 3 years old. She tested positive the first time for FELV but three months later she tested negative on the ELISA and the IFA. The first time she tested positive the vet hinted that I should euthanize her! I am so glad I did not listen to him. BTW, he is no longer my vet. Jannes From: Liz Lee Morris liz...@sccoast.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens Hi, I have a kitten who tested Felv positive at 5 weeks old on both the IFA and Elisa test. Both were done on the same day. He is so precious to me and I am so sad. The vet basically said he has no chance. I have been giving him lysine daily and lots of love. He is now 3 months old and is happy and appears healthy. Is it possible that he might be negative now? From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens Hang in there Lorrie. Sometimes they turn. Did you ever find the mom cat? If so, have her tested too. If she's young, she may turn negative in 90 days also. The ones a year or younger sometimes do. Even older cats can fight it off. I have a cat who was positive when rescued. He was about 2-3 years old, male. Had him for about 90 days in a separate room, retested with IFA test and again with the ELISA test and he was negative with both tests. I still have Moses. It has been 6 years now. Percy, a recent rescue tested positive for FIV and FeLv. Kept him in a room for 90 days also, retested. He's FIV+ but negative for FeLv so I moved him to my little FIV+ area. He's doing fine. Unfortunately, Smooch and Taco were also adult FeLv+ cats, stayed positive after 90 days. They roomed together, separate from my other cats for 2 years, died within a month of each other. Sad but at least they had those 2 years. Two years to a cat is like 5 years to us. Hugs to you and the kittens. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From:Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August
[Felvtalk] FW: FelV positive kittens
No, I haven't heard of IDEXX - looked it up and it seems to be equivalent to the SNAP test but used on large animals like cows. Coccidia is a parasite that can easily be taken care of. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of McKenna's Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 5:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens Tickles had what is called the IDEXX? test done on him. Does that sound familiar to you, GRAS? @LINDA, I have heard of coccidia, but what exactly is it? Can it be cured with meds? Our vet can't seem to figure out the source of the blood and feels he may rupture some small capillaries when he is passing stool. He does not cry out when he goes or appears to be in any sort of discomfort. Melissa -Original Message- From: GRAS Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens Sorry, I meant which FeLV test was done on him? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of longhornf...@verizon.net Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens My FeLV kitty had blood in his stools but he also had coccidia. Lynda Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: GRAS g...@optonline.net Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:11:54 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens Which test did he have? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens Does it make a difference to how you love him? On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:59 PM, McKenna's wrote: We have a bot, belonged to the ahole neighbors who did not take care of him. We have known him since he was about 4-5 months old. Very long story short, we have him. Took him to the vet to get a check up, shots and neutered with the intention of making him a part of our family, along with 3 other cats. Found out he was Feluk+. After balling and researching this crap disease, we decided we loved him too much to let him go anywhere but here. He was approximately 1 year and 8 months old when he tested positive on 11/29/11. He is now almost 2 and a half. I was wondering if anyone could tell me if it would be beneficial to have him re-tested. Is there any chance he may have grown out of it since he was younger when he got it? He eats well and plays well. Sometimes, his stool contains a small amount of blood in it. We have had him tested for everything in an effort to find out why this is. The vet stated she does not believe the blood has anything to do with his FeLuk. He is currently on ID. So, does anyone think getting him tested again is a good idea? Melissa L. McKenna -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 7:46 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens Glad you left that vet. even if the cat were still positive, at that age she culd live a long and healthy life. Annie was 4 when she tested positive. She is now 8 going on 9 and the healiest, happiest cat I ever saw. Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com wrote: I recused a cat who was approx. 3 years old. She tested positive the first time for FELV but three months later she tested negative on the ELISA and the IFA. The first time she tested positive the vet hinted that I should euthanize her! I am so glad I did not listen to him. BTW, he is no longer my vet. Jannes From: Liz Lee Morris liz...@sccoast.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens Hi, I have a kitten who tested Felv positive at 5 weeks old on both the IFA and Elisa test. Both were done on the same day. He is so precious to me and I am so sad. The vet basically said he has no chance. I have been giving him lysine daily and lots of love. He is now 3 months old and is happy and appears healthy. Is it possible that he might be negative now? From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens Hang in there Lorrie. Sometimes they turn. Did you ever find the mom cat? If so, have her tested too. If she's young, she may turn negative in 90 days also. The ones a year or younger sometimes do. Even older cats can fight
Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens
I believe that testing at such an early age can often come up false positive. I would retest! Isn't doing ELISA and IFA at the same time, on such a young kitten overkill? From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Liz Lee Morris Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 12:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens Hi, I have a kitten who tested Felv positive at 5 weeks old on both the IFA and Elisa test. Both were done on the same day. He is so precious to me and I am so sad. The vet basically said he has no chance. I have been giving him lysine daily and lots of love. He is now 3 months old and is happy and appears healthy. Is it possible that he might be negative now? From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens Hang in there Lorrie. Sometimes they turn. Did you ever find the mom cat? If so, have her tested too. If she's young, she may turn negative in 90 days also. The ones a year or younger sometimes do. Even older cats can fight it off. I have a cat who was positive when rescued. He was about 2-3 years old, male. Had him for about 90 days in a separate room, retested with IFA test and again with the ELISA test and he was negative with both tests. I still have Moses. It has been 6 years now. Percy, a recent rescue tested positive for FIV and FeLv. Kept him in a room for 90 days also, retested. He's FIV+ but negative for FeLv so I moved him to my little FIV+ area. He's doing fine. Unfortunately, Smooch and Taco were also adult FeLv+ cats, stayed positive after 90 days. They roomed together, separate from my other cats for 2 years, died within a month of each other. Sad but at least they had those 2 years. Two years to a cat is like 5 years to us. Hugs to you and the kittens. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 7:38 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens I rescued a litter of four kittens two months ago. Had them tested yesterday for FelV and all 4 are positive! I am heartsick. However, I have a FelV section in my cageless shelter building where they will be able to stay until they are tested again in 90 days. They appear so healthy and playful right now, and I can't bear to put them to sleep. Still I know some of them may not make it SO SAD. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list... too quiet
Got, it, too! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list... too quiet Me too! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of lexingtongrn Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 7:50 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list... too quiet Got it From: James G Wilson phaed...@charter.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 12:56 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Testing the list... too quiet Hey all, Just testing the list since it's been so quiet. Hope this goes through ok. Best wishes to all. James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Support) http://www.facebook.com/crambone http://weather62025.com (for Edwardsville, IL) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] off topic - - removing kitten's eye
I would use whatever the vet gives you for the eye(s).In the 20 years of rescuing cats, I have had and still do have several cats that have vision in only one eye, bad eyes was left intact, and they're fine. They also had bad infections that were not treated when they were kittens. We've had eyes removed when there was a severe infection and the eyes were either ruptured or hanging out like little grapes (usually from herpes virus). From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of czadna sacarawicz Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 5:31 PM To: feline leukemia list Subject: [Felvtalk] off topic - - removing kitten's eye I trust your insights and experiences. Briefly I chose to foster 3 kittens with significant conjunctivitis from the local pound about 2 weeks and 2 days ago. That was on a Saturday. I knew come Monday they would be killed. I have spent significant $ of my $ by choice. All tested negative for FIV, fe leukemia and heart worm this past Saturday. I chose to vaccinate them including fe leukemia this past Saturday. Maya Mia is about 2 months old. Her left eye is swollen. The eye is cloudy and has become vascularized. There is no evidence of pus. Her right eye had/has a corneal ulcer. There is a small amount of cloudiness. Two vets have recommended to remove the left eye. The first vet backed off that it was an emergency when I asked her what if re: the corneal ulcer eye. Two local rescue groups say they have good fortune re: placing kittens with less than optimal vision. My question to you is, what has been your experience re: letting nature take it's course. she happily and accurately leaps from atop a cage to one 2.5 away. She is active. The kittens contemplated future is with an area SPCA. Their doors are not open to them at the present. They would be adopted into forever homes from the SPCA or stay at the facility if not adopted.. The first vet advised me to use opthalmic antibiotic drops for the present. I had used opthalmic ointment on both eyes for 10 days. thank you. cz m ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas
In the 20 years of cat rescue, with so many FIV+ mother cats, not a single kitten EVER was FIV+! And when and if tested, there was absolutely no sign of it by age 3 months, although some vets say that it could be up to 6 months. They shed the virus quite rapidly as their immune systems develop. I have never heard of kittens born to FeLV mothers ever being negative. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas It's not a certainty that the kittens would be positive for FeLv if the mom was. You need to test each kitten separately when they are about 12 weeks old. Even if they test positive, don't have them killed. FeLv can sometimes be overcome in kittens and in cats. I have a cat who was positive but turned negative after 2 months quarantined in a room. That was about 7 years ago. He is now with my regulars and still healthy. This has happened to another cat recently although he was positive for FIV. With FIV they rarely turn after they are adults but kittens do turn negative for FIV because they really only have the antibodies left over from the birth mom. Once they are on their own and making their own blood, they turn negative for FIV. However, FeLv is tricky and sometimes does not turn in kittens who are born to a positive mom. As for fleas, I doubt it. Fleas can transmit flea tape worm and possibly toxoplasmosis but I have never been told by a vet that FeLv can be transmitted by fleas. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: Kathy klovel...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 9:05 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas I'm new to this group to FeLV. 2 kittens showed up at my house about a 3 weeks ago, I took them inside, bathed good put in separate room away from my 2 other cats. I just found out that the mother cat has FeLV so have been told that the kittens probably do as well. I found a few fleas on one of the kittens last night so immediately bathed both of them again vacuumed the room really good. I've been so careful to keep them away from my other 2 cats now am a bit concerned that a few fleas could transmit if they got on my cats. Any advice that can be offered is appreciate. I researched briefly online saw that it was a possibility so am concerned. I also treated the kittens (a little over 8 weeks) w/a flea spot treatment about an hour after their bath………..it was specifically for any kitten or cat 8 weeks older. Was a milder treatment I could tell b/c it doesn't kill flea eggs. K- Kathy Wood “Until one has loved an animal a part of one's soul remains unawakened.” Anatole France 1844-1924 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Section 1983
Unfortunately, technically, the Manson creep didn't do the killing himself...no excuse. They should stop putting people in prison for silly little things like possession of grass - they become criminals while in there. And then there are murderers, rapists, who serve less time than they do if they had a good lawyer. The private prison systems is making millions! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 4:39 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Section 1983 Just look at people accused of torturing, killing people. They don't get very severe punishments either. As far as I am concerned, if you kill someone, you should die also. Our jails/prisons are full of life termers who have killed or maimed someone. Look at Charles Manson. How many did he kill and he is still alive. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: There are so many DNA lists, which I get almost daily, of people who take puppies and kittens, torture them, kill them, use for dog fightingand if they're not caught in the act, nothing is done and they continueposting free animals on Craigslist is the worst! And look at all those who have gone to court for torturing, killing animals - what do they get? A slap on the wrist, a little fine and/or a suspended sentence.Once in a while, it's slightly more severe. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 7:36 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Section 1983 You are so right Natalie And as for those people saying Free kittens to a good home, they mean anyone who will take a kitten off their hands! Lorrue On 06-30, Natalie wrote: Whenever people say that, I tell them what it really is: The miracle of death! First of all, the cat will most likely have the kittens at night, when they're away, in schooland when they say that they get good homes for the kittens, how can they honestly reinforce the absolute need for spaying/neutering to the adopters when the example they set was the exact opposite? And for every kitten that is allowed to be born and a home found, a rescue kitten will die because homes are so scarce. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Section 1983 Oh how very true. I wish the people who don't neuter and spay could all see this!!! I get so sick of people who let their cats have kittens so they can witness the miracle of life! How I wish their kids could watch all those precious cats and kittens being killed!! Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Foster Mom with FELV kittens follow up
I remember slightly, but don't recall if there was there a mother that was tested? That should be enough, because if she is FeLV+, the kittens are definitely positive. If the kittens are positive again, and then you do the IFA, and it's negative, it doesn't mean that they are negative, it only means that the virus isn't in the bone marrow yet. Another snap or ELISA, if positive, would confirm it. It seems that they are doing well, so, maybe their second snap or ELISA will be negative..how old were they when they were tested first - sometimes, at a too young age, tests like that can be false positives. I hope I got everything right - I had two adults that were positive, then tested on IFA, negative - thought they were clear of it - not so fast, another IFA was positive! And in the meantime, many healthy cats were exposed, but to date, not a single cat got infected after being with them for about 6 months. One of them died of renal failure while still with me, the other one was adopted by a vet and is doing very well - he got stressed out by the move and had a high temperature - fine now. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jamielynn Storch Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Foster Mom with FELV kittens follow up I posted a couple weeks ago when I first found out about my kittens testing positive for FELV. Since than I have done a lot of research and have a much better understanding of what I'm dealing with. They are set to be tested again in July and if the snap test is positive we will be sending out for IFA testing. At this point it does seem as though chances are they are truly FELV (of course they still have the chance to flip or fight it off but it does not seem likely all 3 will nor does it seem that it was a false positive as all 3 kittens were tested separately, at different times with the tests administered by different peopleall coming back positive. So anyway Im located in Philly. More than willing and ready to drive any distance I can make in a weekend trip for them to find a good home. So please watch and share their video I made for them (it might make you laugh and cry). Video link: http://youtu.be/N0uqTPhYLTQ They are absolutely wonderful but I dont have space for 3 FELV negative cats in my home permanently let alone 3 positive cats. They will NOT be euthed due to this but I may have to turn them over to a FELV rescue if Im unable to find a good placement for them which I would hate to do after raising them :(. -- Jamielynn Storch www.jlynnphotographyonline.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
I got this one, and yes, there was correspondence this week - but I can't tell you if you're on the list or not - Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Catherine Caughie Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 3:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Good afternoon, I haven't received any emails from the group in over a week. Am I still on the mailing list: My email is: caug...@daytonastate.edu Thank you. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
Since we have cat condos in the garage, I leave it open when the weather is nice, for airing out. One night, after I closed the door, I noticed a huge “mother of all possums”, in the garage near the cat condos. Didn’t want to budge. I coaxed him, offered goodies, he just looked at me and sort-of hissed. Lots of sharp little teeth! I finally put a large trap in front of him, gingerly pushed him in with a snow shovel, and carried him/her out. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 11:27 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION The added benefit of possums is that since they are marsupials, they are not carriers of rabies! They are simply weird looking. I saw my first possum about 10 years ago. We mutually scared each other out of our skins. Then we tip-toed back around the corner of the house and stared at each other for a while. We both decided that the other was just strange looking but not dangerous and from then on they had a place at my backyard feeding station. _ From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION I love the possums too! They used to eat with my inside outers on my front porch, and would sit in the squirrel feeding box that I had in the front yard. I love em and the fact that they are marsupials make them all the more fascinating(-: Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jun 1, 2012, at 9:56 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: Possums don't bother me but the coons do. I have trapped and relocated both (not during baby season) because they were raiding my mother's house, threatening her ferals and endangering themselves thanks to the problems they were causing neighbors. They were relocated to a farm I own. I brought the coons over immediately because they were vicious and very likely to hurt themselves trying to escape (can't blame them). They get/carry a lot of diseases including canine distemper which makes people think they are rabid when they are not but they do carry rabies. As noted, they can easily kill cats and dogs, even hunting (read fairly large dogs). They are extremely messy and destructive and can get into about anything. I know, and knew, from personal experience but was not willing to turn the captives over to hunters or to locate them where there wasn't an appropriate environment. Possums will defend themselves if they have to but are fairly calm...again from personal experience. They are wonderful at insect control and I have watched them under the porch lights on the farm...inhaling the insects. Just FYI: The coons are very cute and charming.not so much with the possums but they are actually darlings in my world. On Jun 1, 2012, at 8:54 AM, Natalie wrote: Whenever someone dumps a cat around here, I always see them eating together with possums - it's amazing. The first time I saw it, I was really terrified for the cat! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 12:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION cats and possums getting along. That was one worry I had about feeding the birds, that the cats could be hurt by them. So far, all my cats have enough good sense to back off when they and the coons come up to eat. Somehow they seem to know they could not win a fight with either one of them. Coons can kill a full grown dog, especially if they get them in enough water to hold their head down until the drown them. Dana Giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com wrote: I feed mine on the ground inside a bin which I have cut out the sides of so they can pass through. I lean boards up Against the sides. It's low perfect for a cat and opossums but apparently too low and awkward for a raccoon to get in there. I put a large deep square plastic food bin inside and a piece of styrofoam on the floor inside to wedge the food bin into one place. Opossums and cats get along fine so I let them share. My main issues end up being ants and slugs which I use food grade diacetemous earth and sandpaper to deter. I also have a rope light out there - dunno if that deters so wanted to mention it. Hope that helps. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the
Re: [Felvtalk] RenAvast for cats
I don't know - but what helps one of my FIV+ cats who gets crystal, is putting apple cider vinegar into the water - good quality, of course, and start with a drop, slowly build it up to more to acclimate a cat to it. I add ACV to my bottles of drinking water - makes the water taste so much better. I also add Vitamin C in crystal form to the food, in very small amounts, slowly building up - I mixed it with biotin, now I will mix with the NutraMin. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 7:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RenAvast for cats Wonder if this would help my Homey - she has sturvite crystals. Keeps coming back. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Hi, everyone; I thought this might be of interest to you. One of our older cats (17) - blood tests revealed slight renal problem, for which my vet recommended a new product RenAvast; there's a lot more info on it if you search. http://www.renavast.com/ I contacted them and since I am a 501 (c) (3) group, they kindly they offered wholesale prices (as to a vet). Apparently, you can start using it on cats who don't have a problem yet. I also started using NutraMin as a supplement for all the cats. Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Cat shelters
We built 4 cat condos in our large garage. They don't sit in cages - those are small rooms with cubicles, shelves, scratch posts, etc. There's full-spectrum lighting new cats, cats that need medications in their food (or else others would eat it, or they recuperate from surgeries, dentals, spay/neuters..) I also use large cages to acclimate them to a group of cats - they get to know one another safely; then I open the door.cats either leave or they don't - until they are ready. Others will come into the cage to keep thyme company, etc. We also have a bathroom with a screen door to a room where we spend a lot of time - for terminally sick cats or very old cats that need special care and don't want them to be alone, or introducing cats to the others. We also have a large cat room with outdoor access. A FIV+ room,, etc. If no room, then there's always a bathroom to use in an emergency. Unfortunately, many shelters don't even try finding adopters.it's easier to just kill them. We had to force the town shelter to have weekend hours because people work. Etc. etc. etc. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marta Gasper Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/placing the stray cats They will just sit in a cage until they get adopted for god knows how long. I always pipe up when somebody says that cats sit in cages at shelter/in jail, etc..well that is true of kill shelters and some no-kills. And BTW not all open policy shelters put the cat in the cage and leave it there. No-kills specially know very well that an animal can't live in a cage. I don't work at a shelter but am close friends with a nk and several HS's. Cats don't do well in cages for an extended period of time. While medicating and being socialized, acclimated and other changes, yes, they have to be. But it is dangerous actually to hold animals in cages b/c of stress which leads to disease. They know that or should know it. Depending on room cats are taken out of the cages and let roam in rooms, ussualy are in for the night. At the no-kill the only cats in cages are sick ones or baby kittens. Even fractious cats they separate in groups in small rooms. For instance one year ago the nk shelter took one of my rescue cats, she was tame but has a very short fuse. She was in a cage during quarantine(10 days) and that was it. Afterwards shared a room with one cat she could bear, doesn't like much other cats. She'd swipe at people too so she needed an understanding owner, finally last week that family showed up and she was adopted. In your situation I'd ask a no-kill shelter, true most are full but you never know. Unless you wish to keep all the cats, which probably for them is the best alternative. Where are you at? Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ I was going to suggest a ramp, but alas, the coons could also use it. RE: taking them to a no kill shelter, if it is like the ones around here, they are not able to take on any more dogs or cats. Everyone who has lost ajob, home and has to move in with relatives, brings their animals to the shelter. You are right, they would have to spend some time there especially if they are not socialized. That takes time and that means time in cages. I took 2 from P.A.L.S.. I had gone to see about 1 cat and ended up with both Lil Bit and Casey. They had been in an 8 x 10 cage with about 6 or 8 other cats for over a year. Lil Bit is just now moving around the house because she is so small (6lbs) and timid and Casey is getting used to NOT being allowed to bully everyone. I just wish people would bring a short letter giving information about their pets so the adopter would understand why they are the way they are. Often they are misunderstood and end up back at the shelter because people do not have the patience to try to understand them dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote: Speaking of all this about the raccoon, anyways, wish I could find homes for the 7 cats i feed every day. They are all so beautiful and quite healthy looking with all the meat i feed them and the dry food. At least 3 of them are very friendly and the others are coming around, too. Anyone have any input about how to place these cats? I hate to bring them to a shelter even if it's no kill. They will just sit in a cage until they get adopted for god knows how long. It's very hard feeding every day. It's just me and my husband. We can never go away anywhere now because of it. What are your experiences? Dotty ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
To everyone, including Charles, who still seems to be reading the mail: This is my final comment on this topic, and if it offends some, ask me to leave the group. I'm sorry, whether the first note from Charles was someone's idea of a joke, as suggested, or not, his second note certainly sounds like one too - it's a complete turnaround, a little hard to believe. His stud cat lives in a cage, gets out for daily walks, and that's love - and we're all idiots because we advocate spaying and neutering and express concern for a female cat that was purchased for only one purpose, to breed with his beloved stud cat, for what purpose? To sell the kittens. Sadly, the purchased breeder cat for whom he paid $300 is FeLV+, and that's where the problem came in, not a real concern for her illness. She wouldn't be able to be used as a breeder. Had she been healthy, she, too, would be living in a cage, with her kittens over and over again, like in a puppy mill. The kittens wouldn't even have been home-raised, as they deserve.. According to Charles, some of us we were bitching about something that dogs and cats were in the wild - not spayed or neutered? Where have you been living, Charles, in cave? Try to understand what those who objected to your breeding go through the horrible and emotionally charged and financially debilitating work of rescuing a huge surplus of unwanted cats. I belong to a national Alert group; every day, a mere partial list of cats and dogs on a kill-list goes out of healthy, beautiful, young and old, begging to be rescued from the heart stick , gas chamber, or more humane euthanasia. Most don't even end up in nice shelters like the ones some of us operate, they go to municipal shelters that in many places in the country are dumping grounds for unwanted animals, living in squalor and filth. And those are just the ones that somehow got to a shelter or dumping area for killing. The rest are discarded anywhere you can imagine, fending for themselves under horrible conditions, breeding several times a year until we step in - most times, our work is like a drop in the ocean - but to the saved cat, it's everything. Whether Charles' letter was a joke or not (I'm not laughing), the topic was definitely not. Whether the poor FeLV+ cat is real or imaginary, isn't funny either. Natalie - cat rescuer in CT -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats Charles, Please give this beautiful female Bengal to someone who will love her. Her life does not need to be cut short. I have a FelV shelter and many of my positive cats live many years with the disease. They have a home like setting, no cages, and a lady who lives there full time to care for them and give them companionship. I am in eastern WV, which is too far away for you, but there are many FelV shelters available, as well as people with no other cats who would love to have this female as a pet. Lorrie On 05-28, Charles Adams wrote: Hello Kelley, Thanks for your kind words. Seems like the majority out here are pure bone head jerks. I am not breeding to get rich. I love my cat and he get's out daily for walks. Hell if they really want to bitch about something all cat's and dogs were wild at one point and guess what they didn't get fixed in the wild so what give with these idiots? Again thanks for kind words and thinking about what is important here. A beautiful female who's life will be cut short because some greedy idiot goes to animal shelters and collects animals to sell to others. Charles ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home
Chuck - in none of your writings did you ask on how to treat the FeLV+ cat for the disease! This is the kind of group this is. To give you a picture of what happens all over the US, multiply Edna's numbers...you may get the piucture! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:39 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Austin, Tx has a total of 400 kittens needing homes - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor mailto:taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Seems that Chuck is the one being rude (for the most part) and well, keeping his cat in a cage outside just doesn't seem like the type of person that REALLY cares about his cat, but hey, just my opinion. Also, rescuers are entitled to get a bit miffed when someone is adding to the problem because ONLY 1 out of every 10 kittens born will find a home, the rest either die in the shelter or on the streets. WE DON'T NEED MORE PEOPLE BREEDING CATS. If you want to see some examples, I would be happy to put together a word document with the thousands of emails I get from the Houston area every day regarding need homes for these kittens/cats list of cats to die today, etc. etc. _ From: mckennas...@power-net.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 10:31:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home What the hell kinda group did I join here? I thought this was suppose to be an information and support sight for people with kitties with FIV and FeLuk. Geez, people. I do not agree with breeding, but you're not gonna change his mind by being nasty. From: Natalie mailto:at...@optonline.net Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Chuck - not only are you rudely calling list members jerks with their heads up their asses, now we're a bunch of crooks who want to take that unfortunate future breeder cat to sell to another breeder, lining our own pockets; this may be your mentality - it's not ours (if I may speak for everyone here on this one point). There's honesty and there's reality, and it's not pretty. Here's an analogy: If a murderer admits to killing someone, does that make him a good guy just because he was honest? What's your point - no, please don't answer. Just because the woman who sold you the FeLV+ cat pulled the wool over your eyes, you feel slighted, and now she's the little tramp - you allowed yourself to be duped because you thought you could make a few bucks off this cat and yours, however, the loser in these cases is always the female breeder cat. I would be careful about using all those lovely epithets on this list's members, who have tried hard with suggestions to help you. Have you even tried some of the very good suggestions from all the members who wrote on the subject? I happen to care about cats, no matter whose they are. http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=istry+of+FeLV+positive+cats+s helters ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
It is unconscionable to allow a FeLV+ cat outside, not only because she will get pregnant - she will spread FeLV to all cats that mate with her, and the cycle will continue. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats Charles, I don't agree with anyone who calls you a jerk or any other nasty name. Most of us on this list are overworked and have constant shortages of funds. We tend to get impatient with people who are trying, for whatever reason, to bring more cats into the world. We rescue these FeLv+ cats because they are unwanted and usually killed at so-called shelters, which usually shelter no one. Can you imagine a children's shelter that killed the children if they couldn't be adopted? Can you imagine breeding children for skin color, eye color or other characteristics that were popular at any given time? Usually breeding is done for certain characteristics - fur length, the pug nose look, no fur, curly fur and any number of characteristics that create designer type cats but have nothing to do with improving the health or happiness of the cats brought into the world by breeding. I know that you weren't spending $300 to get a breeding female so that you could have more Bengal cat pets. You would eventually have sold the offspring, possibly not neutered or spayed to other people who want to breed Bengal cats to sell etc.. Please be honest with yourself. You did write in one of your first posts that you didn't want a pet cat in your house. Allowing the female FeLv+ cat to be outside invites any roaming tom cat to impregnate her. So if you think that it's unfortunate to have purchased a FeLv+ cat, just think about a pregnant FeLv+ cat full of mixed breed kittens. Not a good plan. I understand why you have the male cat outside in a cage. Before they are neutered, male cats stink. I have had a few in my house waiting for a neuter appointment and it wasn't pleasant. After they are neutered, however, the marking scent disappears and they are wonderful pets again. You can actually sell your male Bengal after he's neutered and recoup some of your $300 loss. You can't sell the FeLv+ cat but do get her spayed before you have the additional misery of a pregnant cat who mated with some roaming outside male. One more bit of information Charles, we don't buy cats from shelters and we don't sell cats that we rescue. By the time we get the cats ready for adoption we have sometimes spent hundreds of dollars on getting them fixed, getting their shots, feeding and housing them until they are adopted. Food, litter and time spent in their care cost way over the adoption price of $50 to $80 per cat. The adopter gets a good pet that they can enjoy and love right out of the carrier. They don't have to first start to haul the cat to the vet to get him/her fixed and vaccinated. You probably didn't know this. Anyway, I'm glad you joined this list. I hope you have learned some facts about breeding and cats in general. I won't be posting on this topic any more so good luck to you and I hope you will do the right thing by your lovely cats. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wasting away
I am so sorry about Orlando! Lorrie - Is he getting any medical support for his condition? When I had FeLV+ cats, and still have 6 FIV+ cats, I gave/give them CoQ10 (50mg) daily, and Nutramin* (higher than suggested dosage for sick cats), building up the amount givenwhen I see that there's not much more to be done and you know that the cat is either in pain or has a just absolutely horrible quality of life, I opt for euthanasia as a last resort, only after having done everything that I could. * I mix Nutramin into the food for all the rescue cats; one of the many sources they actually gives a nice discount to rescue groups (if you ask for it and tell them of your non-profit status). -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 7:05 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wasting away I am so sorry for your loss of Orlando. I do rescue work and I have several FelV cats, and one of my favorites is a long haired black male who tested positive several months ago. He is not just wasting away. He is not anemic, has no tumors, but is just getting thinner and thinner. Since he shows no symptoms there is nothing the vet can do to buy him a bit more time, and I know he won't be with me for long. He doesn't appear to be in any pain, he is just weak, thin and he no longer grooms himself, but he is still eating. I've lost many FelV cats, but most had either tumors or became anemic and crashed. Have any of you had FelV cats who just wasted away, and do you think I should just let him die at home where he feels comfortable and safe? I hate to have him euthanized at this point as it is so frightening for cats to go to the vet. I would appreciate your thoughts. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mama died in my arms last night
I am so sorry! She knew she was in your good hands - may Mama rest in peace and enjoy herself with her family and friends over the rainbow bridge.. I just lost a cat that was adopted 7 years ago; I was taking care of her for the adopter - she stopped eating and was diagnosed with an extremely fast-growing mass in her stomach that was pushing against the diaphragm, making breathing extremely difficult for KT. We had to let her go (it happened within one week and then overnight). She was NOT FeLV+; perfectly healthy at age 12. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of czadna sacarawicz Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 5:22 PM To: feline leukemia list Subject: [Felvtalk] Mama died in my arms last night Her eyes were clear and wonderfully green and her fur luxurious; her teeth were good. Mama was highly anemic. She crashed in about a 10-day period. Mama wasn't Isaac's mama. He left in Feburary 2011. Some of you will remember his story. Mama was his acting mama. Now he and Mama and BreAnne and TorieRose are together. Thank you for being with us. purrs rubs cz ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids
Yes, even the smallest needles work, they just take a lot longer. Sometimes, when you notice that the drip isn't fast enough, even though you've opened it up, lift up the skin, or move the needle around. Often, there's a kink/squeezed together on the tube where it was clamped over to shut down. Move that whole thing up or down, and squeeze open the kink in the tube with your fingers by kneading it. BTW - 6 months old isn't exactly tiny - I would go with a 20..when I had kittens that were only a few weeks old, I used a syringe, as someone mentioned. But at this age, you definitely need to give more fluids than you can get into a syringe. I assume that you need to give at least 100 mL?. If the cat is hard to handle, wrap in a towel, keep on your lap with the head facing toward your left under arm - that way you can control the cat with left arm wrapped around with hand at the cats behind, while you use right hand to keep on top of needle gently so it doesn't come out if the cat moves. For really hard to handle cats, I use a cat bag; it has zippers and Velcro everywhere, and you open whatever part of the body you need to expose. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 9:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids Importance: High What about the 23 gauge? That's even smaller, correct? Does it work okay or does it take forever to get the fluids in because the needle is so small? I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain _ Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 21:45:03 -0400 From: g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids Maureen, I never use those horse needles for cats; I prefer the 20x1, and often use 18x1 as well - it may take a little bit longer, but goes in a lot easier, especially for kittens. Some cats have tough skin, and others have super soft skin and the needle just glides right in. Getting the needles from the vet gets a bit expensive and they're not as sharp as the ones that I get here (no prescription needed) - a box of 100 is $6.45 http://www.thrivingpets.com/index.php/terumo-needles-box-of-100.html The company is www.thrivingpets.com Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids For you guys that give sub-q fluids - What size needle do you use? A friend showed me how to do it yesterday but she has these huge 18 gauge needles. I'm wondering if I can use a smaller size. It's for my 6 month old kitten so I hate stabbing her with that huge thing. Maureen I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids
Yes, even the smallest needles work, they just take a lot longer. Sometimes, when you notice that the drip isn't fast enough, even though you've opened it up, lift up the skin, or move the needle around. Often, there's a kink/squeezed together on the tube where it was clamped over to shut down. Move that whole thing up or down, and squeeze open the kink in the tube with your fingers by kneading it. BTW - 6 months old isn't exactly tiny - I would go with a 20..when I had kittens that were only a few weeks old, I used a syringe, as someone mentioned. But at this age, you definitely need to give more fluids than you can get into a syringe. I assume that you need to give at least 100 mL?. If the cat is hard to handle, wrap in a towel, keep on your lap with the head facing toward your left under arm - that way you can control the cat with left arm wrapped around with hand at the cats behind, while you use right hand to keep on top of needle gently so it doesn't come out if the cat moves. For really hard to handle cats, I use a cat bag; it has zippers and Velcro everywhere, and you open whatever part of the body you need to expose. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 9:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids Importance: High What about the 23 gauge? That's even smaller, correct? Does it work okay or does it take forever to get the fluids in because the needle is so small? I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain _ Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 21:45:03 -0400 From: g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids Maureen, I never use those horse needles for cats; I prefer the 20x1, and often use 18x1 as well - it may take a little bit longer, but goes in a lot easier, especially for kittens. Some cats have tough skin, and others have super soft skin and the needle just glides right in. Getting the needles from the vet gets a bit expensive and they're not as sharp as the ones that I get here (no prescription needed) - a box of 100 is $6.45 http://www.thrivingpets.com/index.php/terumo-needles-box-of-100.html The company is www.thrivingpets.com Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids For you guys that give sub-q fluids - What size needle do you use? A friend showed me how to do it yesterday but she has these huge 18 gauge needles. I'm wondering if I can use a smaller size. It's for my 6 month old kitten so I hate stabbing her with that huge thing. Maureen I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
When people ask me why I rescue cats and help animals, and why I don't help people instead (accusingly, of course), I tell them that the two are not mutually exclusive and besides, there are plenty of people who help people. My question to them is, do you help people?, which often catches them off guard because they probably don't. I'm so glad that I never came across a veterinarian like that, although I've heard of some jerks like that around here.. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:58 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time. I hate it when it does that. _ From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400 Ha, ha - I love it!!! You sound as pissed off as I was. Believe me he is on my shitlist too. I was boiling about it for days. Matter of fact I was just telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking about it. I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die. I don't know. He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP. I didn't give him a chance to send me away with nothing. Course, at the time other than the fever she was doing okay. Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and everything although she had lost some weight. So she wasn't in any pain. But I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about that anyway. The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't even that expensive. He's such a dumbass. I didn't know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said he had thought about it when he was looking at her. So if he thought about it and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care. He figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests or treatments on her. I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her. BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have been just killing her. I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals. I'm going to steal it. Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad thing or beneath me or something. I'll use your answer for those folks. It's probably better than what I normally say to them, if you know what I mean! Maureen _ From: marciabmar...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:14:58 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? What the hell is wrong with this vet, that he didn't even want to help a little helpless suffering animal feel better? And he has the knowledge and power to do just that!! I'm baffled. Not tooting my own horn by any means, but when people ask me why I do what I do for animals, the only answer I have for them is because I can, and that obligates me. I make no money of course, but I spend plenty. I guess it all boils down to caring enough. That vet would and is on my shitlist and I don't even know him. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids
Maureen, I never use those horse needles for cats; I prefer the 20x1, and often use 18x1 as well - it may take a little bit longer, but goes in a lot easier, especially for kittens. Some cats have tough skin, and others have super soft skin and the needle just glides right in. Getting the needles from the vet gets a bit expensive and they're not as sharp as the ones that I get here (no prescription needed) - a box of 100 is $6.45 http://www.thrivingpets.com/index.php/terumo-needles-box-of-100.html The company is www.thrivingpets.com Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids For you guys that give sub-q fluids - What size needle do you use? A friend showed me how to do it yesterday but she has these huge 18 gauge needles. I'm wondering if I can use a smaller size. It's for my 6 month old kitten so I hate stabbing her with that huge thing. Maureen I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] sick FLV+ kitty, worried owner
My vet routinely prescribes Cyproheptadine .just ¼ of a pill induces appetite very quickly! I can attest to that! Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of KG BarnCats Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 9:48 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] sick FLV+ kitty, worried owner I'm surprised no one has mentioned an appetite stimulant such as cyproheptadine or mirtazipine. These are awesome tools to help keep a cat eating the top quality foods it needs to rebuild its body. Also don't be afraid of an early feeding tube --if-- the cat's prognosis on the other side of the illness is good. Even with a FELV cat, some illnesses are not a sign that the cat is nearing the end. But adding slow starvation on top of illness is a path to disaster. And a feeding tube can be put in (just takes a few minutes... relatively minor surgery... anesthetia is very short) for $125 at helping hands clinic in Richmond, if u are anywhere near... awesome inexpensive clinic profiled on Good Morning America, etc. Good luck, Laurie Laurie On Sunday, April 22, 2012, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: Anna, you've already gotten some good advice. Anemia will make her feel rotten. Treating that with nutrived could help her feel better. Or try Pet-Tinic but also give her some folic acid. I've given anemic kitties NutriVed, folic acid, Super B complex and B-12. Be sure to follow up any med with a syringe of food or water. Make sure she is eating enough food to maintain her body wt. That may mean assist feeding. There is a great yahoo group to help. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ You can try some gently warmed meat baby food (no onions or garlic). It is easy to syringe feed. You can check to see if she is dehydrated by checking her gums. If they are slick she is OK. If they are tacky she is dehydrated. That will also make her feel lousy. You can give sub q fluids at home. I buy the fluids by the case from my local pharmacy. The IX sets and Terumo ultra thin wall needles are available on line. Here are some links that will help Sophia Gets Her Subcutaneous (Sub Q) Fluids http://www.tinyurl.com/63max Go here for info on sub q fluid supplies http://www.zzcat.com/CRF/supplies/index.html Hiding doesn't man this is the end. Just that Sylvia isn't feeling well. Do try to get some food into here. Sharyl From: Anna Waltman anna.walt...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 1:25 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] sick FLV+ kitty, worried owner Dear all, I've been a member of this list since 2009, when Sylvia, the older of my two (strictly indoor-only) cats, was first diagnosed with FLV (she'd tested negative twice as a kitten, then at just over a year old came up positive on both the snap and IFA tests). We have a great vet, and she's been a happy, healthy, fat, and sassy calico cat for most of her life. I haven't been very active on this list in the last year or so because Sylvia has been so healthy, apart from a case of gingivitis that our vet and I were monitoring carefully. She's about four years old now, and was originally a stray kitten in an urban area. I adopted her from an ASPCA in New Jersey. The vet thinks she got the virus from her mama and it was dormant in her system until the stress of moving from NJ to MA caused it to turn active. Unfortunately, her run of good health seems to be over. Toward the end of March, she started having diarrhea and seemed lethargic, so I took her to the vet, who said she didn't have a fever, but gave her a shot of systemic antibiotics and some subcutaneous fluids anyway. Her energy levels rose and the diarrhea resolved itself. However, Sylvia's energy levels took a nosedive again this past week, and she's been totally lethargic. She started hiding in my roommate's closet and spent an entire night in there on Wednesday. She's been refusing to play with my other cat, Beatrice, and hissed last time Beatrice tried to convince her to play chase (not normal at all-- these two have always been good buddies and playmates). Yesterday, we went back to the vet. This time, she did have a high fever (105) and the vet did blood work, which showed anemia and a high white blood cell count. The vet said all signs point to infection and suggested antibiotics and fluids, but she also wanted to do x-rays to check for tumors...then she also said that even if a tumor showed itself, there would be no treatment options and we'd have to discuss euthanasia. I opted against the x-rays as I'm on a limited budget and couldn't really see the point if the tests wouldn't lead to treatment. We decided to do another round of the injected systemic antibiotics and sub-Q fluids, and the vet also gave me an oral antibiotic to dose Sylvia with once a day. I'm going to purchase a thermometer so I can monitor her temperature daily, as well. I'm under
Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list again
Got this - Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James G Wilson Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Testing the list again Hey all, Let me know if you get this message. I think there are still some problems with the list. Haven't received any mail since the host said they fixed the problem. Sorry for the inconvenience. Best. James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research Support) http://www.facebook.com/crambone http://weather62025.com (Weather for Edwardsville, IL) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis/Bartonaella link and treatment
Thank you so much! FIV+ Sox is actually the first one I ever had to suffer from stomatitis. I will definitely have him checked for bartonella - it's great to have all these great thinking minds in one group! Natalie =^..^= From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kat Parker Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 4:07 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis/Bartonaella link and treatment This was sent to me in email from a rescuer I know and work with. I have an FIV cat I rescued from a drainpipe who now lives with another friend of mine, John, and is very sick with stomatitis. Don't know if this will help anyone, but it's good to pass along since FIV+ and FeLV+ cats have problems with stomatitis: Last year one of our vets found literature tying Stomatitis to Bartonella. In fact, on the results for Bartonella now there is a sentence saying that they have now found a connection between Bartonella and Stomatitis in cats. A lot of cats carry Bartonella (also tied into heart issues which a lot of people do not realize)! So I highly recommend checking for Bartonella before removing his/her teeth. The treatment is just a round of Azithromycin. Since discovering this connection we have had several cats with stomatitis test positive for Bartonella and all cleared after a round of Zithro. I found a few links and pasted below. Julia http://www.virginiaveterinarydentistry.com/647115.html An association has been established between Feline Stomatitis and a specific bacterial organism called Bartonella. In a large study 70% of cats with severe gingivitis/ stomatitis syndrome tested positive for this organism. Antibiotics in routine veterinary use have no effect on Bartonella organisms but there is an antibiotic called azithromycin that is effective. We are now recommending that all cats with symptoms of stomatitis or severe gingivitis should be tested and those that are strongly positive be treated. In the same large study, more than 70% responded favorably to treatment. Bartonella is unlikely to be a causative organism but one that contributes to the problem. Some cats do not test positive and some that are positive do not improve, but the link to Bartonella is promising and most cats that we have treated have improved substantially. Love and Katnip, ~Kat~ =^,,^= ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Brando and Luna Please add to the CLS :( :(
How sad! I am so sorry - it's bad enough to lose one at a time, but two.. Last month, I lost two cats, one day apart (one was expected, one was not). Natalie May I ask what Brando was getting for his stomatitis? One of our FIV+ cats has stomatitis and gets injections of prednisone every three months, sometimes sooner - depending on how he's doing. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:17 AM To: Felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Brando and Luna Please add to the CLS :( :( Monday we lost two wonderful fur friends Brando,well he was one of my boyfriends at Sids..We had MANY make out sessions which was me holding him while he slobbered all overr my hair face neck :) He was a lover thats for sure,he will ALWAYS have a special place in my heart...I had a special connection with him and knew when he was in need of his medication for his awful stomatitis that MANY of our Sids kids get. I will forever miss this awesome guy! Luna,but as I lovingly called her Tuna Pishes :) Well this wonderful girl was lucky enough to have gotten herself a home around Christmas time almost 2 years ago with a wonderful family. I had considered adopting her but I believe she was in her meant to be home,she too will ALWAYS have a special place in my heart. Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 9, Issue 3
I've researched stomatitis, and it seems that there's really nothing other steroids and the alternative of pulling ALL teeth, cleaning out really well, and even then, no guarantees, especially in cats with immunodeficiencies Thank you! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of sherryd...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 1:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 9, Issue 3 Natalie, Brando was getting Depo shots which is a steroid also Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 12:00:01 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 9, Issue 3 Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest... ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Brando and Luna
Thank you! =^..^= From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of czadna sacarawicz Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 5:19 PM To: feline leukemia list Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Brando and Luna Sherry and SIDS family, Natalie, and all of us who share with each other here, please wrap yourselves in all-day and night hugs from me. thank you for you soft hearts and open arms. cz ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] eye issues
One of our cats at about age 7 or 8, started having spots on his eye, and they were moving around. Sometimes they look like a lot less, other times more. Eye was checked, it was nothing to worry about and doesn't at all interfere with his vision. He will be 17 yrs old in July. Spook's eyes are dark amber and spots are brown. Since your cat has blue eyes, and spots are blue, it could be the same thing. I would still have it checked, because no two things are ever the same. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Holly Shelton Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 10:46 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] eye issues Hi there. Oliver had an eye infection that was treated successfully about a month ago. Last Thursday, he and another one of my cats had dentals. All seemed to go well, Today, I noticed that one of his eyes looked off He has these huge blue Siamese eyes so you notice when something is weird. I can't quite describe it, but it seems like his pupils look like there are spots of blue from the blue part of his eyes in there on the edge, if that makes sense. He is eating ok and of course isn't going to let me get as good of a look at it his eyes as I want to. I plan on calling the vet first thing tomorrow morning. I wonder if he has some kind of delayed reaction to the anesthesia? I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts. Thanks, Holly ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] update mssr. phelps - FeLv/FIV cat
Will you try the tonic and slave from the 2053 group? Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of pandie...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 4:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] update mssr. phelps - FeLv/FIV cat He had the surgery monday to remove the tumor. the vet called me yesterday with biopsy results - salvary gland adnocarcinoma. -Original Message- From: Natalie mailto:at...@optonline.net at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, Mar 22, 2012 5:08 am Subject: [Felvtalk] http://www.adopt.bemikitties.com www.adopt.bemikitties.com - for FeLv/FIV cat Has anyone heard of this? http://www.adopt.bemikitties.com/ www.adopt.bemikitties.com has a place to list vets who are FIV and FeLV friendly. PLEASE register your vet if he is one of them so that the next person who gets a cat diagnosed in your area won’t get a euthanasia suggestion immediately. Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make A Difference ___ Felvtalk mailing list mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ginger:new kitten
Is it the only cat now or do you have other FeLV+ cats in the house? If you keep kitten indoors, there's NO need to vaccinate, unless there are FeLV+ cats - always vaccinate only according to a cat's lifestyle. The vaccines themselves have been controversial and only 80% effective (as all vaccines are) -so, if there's no need, don't do it. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of botha.marin...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 12:36 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Ginger:new kitten Should we inoculate the new kitty against feline leukemia? Marinda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ginger - new kitten
Congratulations! Just wash all the bedding, feeding bowls that are plastic (don't use them, anyway because they are porous), get some new toys, and you're set! I remember the days when it was a 6-month wait before one could introduce a new FeLV- cat into a household that had a FeLV+ cat..Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of pandie...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 11:43 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ginger - new kitten i'm so confused. they said my cat tested positive for both FIV and felv In a message dated 3/18/2012 10:41:19 A.M. Central Daylight Time, pandie...@aol.com writes: the same with felv? In a message dated 3/18/2012 8:07:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time, create_me_...@yahoo.com writes: You shouldm't need to do anything special. You can wash bowls bedding, but it really isn' that big a deal. Its not like distemper which lives for years Congratulations on your new baby! Beth botha.marin...@gmail.com wrote: Ginger: we want to introduce a 12 week old kitty to our home. What precautions should we take since my beloved Ginger kitty died of feline leukemia? Please help! Marinda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 12:00:02 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 23 Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest... Today's Topics: 1. Scarpetta and Foley Please Add to the CLS :( :( (Sherry DeHaan) 2. Re: Scarpetta and Foley Please Add to the CLS :( :( (ter...@tazzys.org) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 18:19:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Scarpetta and Foley Please Add to the CLS :( :( Message-ID: 1331947153.4.yahoomailclas...@web161405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 So yesterday one of our former Sids kids Scarpetta had to be let gohe was one sweet boy...I remember the first time meeting himI looked at him, I told him boy you sure are an ugly kittyhe looked at me with his loving beautiful eyes?and gave the sweetest yet strangest meowand instantly he became one of the most beautiful cats I had the honor to know and love...he had a wonderful home for about the last 6 months with our wonderful volunteer Marcia...she has taken home several extra special needs Sids kids and has lost them within this last year...bless her warm heart for taking home some of the most wonderful cats ? Foley,oh Foley...he went home almost a year ago with Julie another awesome kind hearted lady that also has taken home many special Sids kids and have lost so many too recently...well this wonderful tiger boy left this world today...my heart is broken...I was going to go visit him and several of the other former Sids kids this sunday,,,but Julie sent me a message today that she has to let him go...I will be getting a clay paw print of his...he has a paw print in my heart as do all the wonderful Sids kidsso much sadness lately. :( Bless you all...hug your babies tight... Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://felineleukemia.org/pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments /20120316/4aa7f373/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:28:49 -0700 From: ter...@tazzys.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scarpetta and Foley Please Add to the CLS :( :( Message-ID: 20120317072849.2525078891db7ed7bee9a8d44bd4a6ae.a448074286@email12.secu reserver.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://felineleukemia.org/pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments /20120317/7e43a584/attachment-0001.html -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org End of
Re: [Felvtalk] Bounces
If I send a message that's too long, I get an e-mail saying that it needs to be approvedbut it never does, so I just shorten it, and re-send it. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 7:37 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bounces On 03-11, Sally Davis wrote: Did anyone else get an email from this group that says the emails are bouncing? I am afraid to click on it in case it is a malicious link . James I am still here. Sally Davis YES, I did and it was most upsetting I never have bounced mail, as I keep my posts short and I trim former messages. I wrote back right to the owner right away, and still don't know if I'm being dumped! Did anyone else get this ??? Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bounces
Was there a URL listed (they may take up a lot of space -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 10:07 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bounces Last week or so I sent a couple that only had 1 or 2 sentences and it said it was too long. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 12, 2012, at 7:13 AM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: If I send a message that's too long, I get an e-mail saying that it needs to be approvedbut it never does, so I just shorten it, and re-send it. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 7:37 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bounces On 03-11, Sally Davis wrote: Did anyone else get an email from this group that says the emails are bouncing? I am afraid to click on it in case it is a malicious link . James I am still here. Sally Davis YES, I did and it was most upsetting I never have bounced mail, as I keep my posts short and I trim former messages. I wrote back right to the owner right away, and still don't know if I'm being dumped! Did anyone else get this ??? Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis
Yes, rescued/trapped stray cats often have it, and they seem to forever have some kind of eye problems.not serious, but watery, goopy, etc. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 12:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Uveitis Anyone ever dealt with Uveitis (eye inflammation)? My FeLV kitten had a scratch or something in her eye but that is healed but her eye is still really red and irritated. The vet suspects her FeLV is causing the irritation and redness to continue. Right now she's taking Baytril and Clavamox, Interferon Alpha, and Flurobiprofen drops and Terramycin ointment in the eye. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis
Has anyone noticed that we get double mailings? From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jbero tds.net Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 3:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis I have had a kitten with a severely scratched cornea. After treatment for a week the eye continued to not heal and ultimately the eye was surgically removed. After that it healed well. Her eye was in really bad shape though. Corneal abrasions generally heal quickly, but with felv it may hinder the healing. I would recommend vitamin c (mega c can be order via internet and works well) as well as colloidal silver (mesosilver is a good quality colloidal silver) and finally tonic (a herbal mixture of four herbs that promote healing and support the immune system - a great group for advice on this is group 2053 - I can give you the email address if you're interested). Oh wait one more thing - standard process has an immune support supplement that you could add as well as a whole body support supplement if you're interested. There are a host of choices - personally I'd start with mega c and silver as the vitamin c helps with wound healing and silver both helps with wound healing and is a great antimicrobial. Good luck. Jenny On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: Anyone ever dealt with Uveitis (eye inflammation)? My FeLV kitten had a scratch or something in her eye but that is healed but her eye is still really red and irritated. The vet suspects her FeLV is causing the irritation and redness to continue. Right now she's taking Baytril and Clavamox, Interferon Alpha, and Flurobiprofen drops and Terramycin ointment in the eye. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ginger
I have so many poems, but haven't seen this one yet; thank you for posting it - Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 9:07 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ginger Importance: High Maybe this will help: From a cat When humans die, they make a will To leave their homes, and all they Have to those they love. I too would make a will, if I could write. To some poor, wistful, lonely stray I'd leave my happy home, My dish, my cozy bed, my cushioned chair, my toy, The well-loved lap, The gently stroking hand, The loving voice, The place I made in someone's heart, The love, that at the last Could help me to a peaceful, painless end Held in loving arms. If I should die, Oh! Do not say: No more a pet I'll have To grieve me by its loss. Seek out some lonely, unloved cat And give my place to him. This is my legacy, The love I leave behind, 'Tis all I have to give. -- Margaret Trowton -- On Mar 10, 2012, at 11:23 PM, Melinda Kerr wrote: Well said! I was trying to think of how to say the same thing. On Mar 11, 2012, at 2:16 PM, GRAS wrote: I am so sorry about Ginger; every time I hear of a cat dying, it hurts, whether it's someone else's or my own...and it happens so often on this list! No, getting another cat is not betrayal; I see it as a wonderful tribute to the cat that died! There are so many out there that are in desperate need of a home, and if you can prevent a death in honor of your cat that just passed, even better! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: TNR
A friend also used those wooden garbage bin holders that open from the frontshe cut openings for entry, put in a shelf for more sleeping space, filled with hay or straw, or even smaller individual Styrofoam cubicles without lids, and it housed about 10 or more cats. BTW - Rubbermaids also make great covered litter boxes for multiple cats. Cut an appropriate opening in front, depending on cats' needs (low or higher threshold), and presto, litter box with a lid! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 9:11 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: TNR Plastic rubbermaid totes will help too. If you cut a hole toward the end on one of the long sides and leave the lid on top, you can stuff it with a little hay or pine needles (no cloth please, it holds water). Cutting the hole this way lets them get further out of the weather and feels safer than putting it in the middle or on a short side. The top acts as a roof, repelling water and wind and makes it easier to tend to the box. I like to put a little Sevin in for fleas during the season. On Mar 11, 2012, at 12:03 AM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: If the caregivers provide protection for them, even a styrofoam cooler wll protect frm rain, snow and with a bit of straw, they can be warm. GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: At least the cat colonies don't have to freeze in the winter in FL like they do elsewhere. Most TNR groups that I know of in this area don't tests at all. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 1:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: TNR -- Forwarded message -- From: Heather furrygi...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Definitely not to argue, but to provide some perspective on high volume TNR and the ACA (and Neighborhood Cats) stance on routine testing of TNR ferals... While millions of cats are of course killed in shelters each year nationally, the free roaming cat population on the streets may differ vastly geographically. In my city (Tampa), there are hundreds of thousands of feral cats. There are several of us constantly practicing TNR on the population at large (or colonies where the feeders are not fixing--a huge sore spot with us, too), meaning trapping pretty much every week, sometimes more than once a week, cats who are not at our own colonies. Some of my friends trap anywhere from 10 - 50 cats per week for TNR (and of course kittens and such are rescued as much as space/socialization/fosters permit, sick cats treated, etc.) Routine TNR's--not being rescued for adoption or not being addressed/treated for illness are not tested. If we tested every cat, we could only spay/neuter/vaccinate a fraction of the cats. There would be far more (exponentially, we all know how cats can reproduce--here it's hot and a mama will have 3 litters a year) cats breeding, spreading illness. There would be more negative AND more positive cats, and therefore since unfixed, also more positive (and negative) kittens being born on the streets. In our city, we are serving the greater good by fixing as many as possible. Since we all also do a lot of rescue, pulling friendlies/dumped cats, or cats to be treated for illness, from colonies, I can say we run into FELV fairly seldomly. Despite my own very high # of colonies, in addition to helping people rescue and fix cats all over, I have run into FELV the most of anyone I know and it's really just been in two areas, close in proximity, where the feeders are NOT fixing the cats. Disease definititely seems to proliferate where the cats are unsterilized, though of course I realize it spreads in other ways besides reproducing. As TNR has steadily increased in our county, the # of cats euthanized at our county AS has steadily declined--I can share a graph if anyone is interested, the results are absolutely amazing and pretty much in direct proportion in terms of euth decrease/TNR increase. Several years ago 16K-18K cats were killed per year at this county shelter; now it is down to around 9K. Even our own local Humane Society--which has the most awesome s/n/TNR clinic, but was very firm on testing for years, finally conceded with the ACA/Neighborhood Cats stance that, on routine TNR's not showing signs of illness, the resources are best spent in sterilizing more cats than on testing. They do sometimes call us while assessing/operating and say they feel a particular cat needs to be tested. They are elated by the decrease in shelter
Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: caboodle ranch (pet-abuse.com DNA national website)
I wonder what qualifies cases to be listed on the registry….it probably has to be validated by an investigation, arrest – some are marked “alleged” and some “convicted”…This site has other great info, the connection between animal abuse and further violent behavior, etc. The rescue community always posts Do Not Adopt (DNA) lists, names and descriptions of adopters and what they have allegedly done and are doing. Unfortunately, more often than not, these people are NOT investigated because police or AC need more proof, or they just couldn’t care less, yet we know what they’re doing! Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 5:36 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: caboodle ranch (pet-abuse.com DNA national website) I'm so glad this exists, but it's extremely hard to look at. It made me want to barf. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Mar 10, 2012, at 3:55 PM, dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com wrote: There is: I found one database that seems amazing but it's suprising how often people don't know about it and just uselessly circulate DNR's on lists: It's called http://www.pet-abuse.com/ On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 2:36 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: PS Those who dump animals should never be allowed to hve another animal. There should be a list circlated nationwide for humane societies and rescues. As for thosewho dump children or abuse them, they should be spayed or neutered so they can never have another child to inflict pain and suffering on. dlg...@windstream.net wrote: You mention people abuser. I was told by an investigator for the humane society that wen he is called to ivestigate animal abus, 9 times out of 10 he also reports child buse. I AM NOT SAYING GRANT IS THAT, BUT PEOPLE WHO DUMP THEIR ANIMALS WULD FIT INTO THAT CATAGORY. THEY HAD A CHILD BUT NOW IT IS TOO MUCH TROUBLE SO THEY ABUSE AND EVEN DUMP THEM ON THE ROADSIDE OR SEND THEM TO GREYHOUND BUS TERMINAL WTH A NOTE SAYING THEY CAN NO LONGER COPE WITH THE CHILD, PLEASE SEND TO BAPTIST CHILDREN'SHOME. I just wish I could also adopt the abused, unwanted children and give them a good home with lots of cats and dogs to teach them the meaning of love. Then all could learn to love and be loved and be happy. THAT IS MY SERMON FOR THE DAY. Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com wrote: Amen, I agree 100%. It's time for the dumpers, who are virtually invisible, to start paying the piperwho are virtually invisible, to start paying the piper. Amen two..there should be a way to catch them, and if possible then once that dumping is stopped lets see how many true hoarders_and there are_ remain. Justice would be served that way. But it is not possible, somebody should invent a device to catch them..or something. We can just preach for now **don't dump, you are not only putting your pet(or your foundling)life in jeopardy but are hurting the good person behind that fence. Right now you are a peoples abuser even if you don't realize it and if you don't now you do. People will go to jail and have their lives ruined b/c of your actions and the cat/dog you left might even die.** Lets grab the dumper's conscience and hardwire with that statement so they can hear it the rest of their lives..ppl walk away satisfied now the fur they left will be taken care of and they found a good solution to their problem, lets change that playback(and some of this people won't take the animal to a Humane Society because it'll be put down..Yes it can happen, but know the outcome from your dumping is not very different plus there's a persons reputation and all the animals she tried so hard so to save at stake now too..deal with it!!(I've seen that and it males so angry) Marta It's time for the dumpers, who are virtually invisible, to start paying the piper. And the people who TRULY have good intentions to stop being persecuted. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] TNR
Are you talking about ones that are over-size for this group? Just erase some older comments at the bottom, and re-send. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Melinda Kerr Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR I also received that email and did not know what it meant. I know my last posting was very short and posted. I was thinking that maybe a filter was causing some of the emails I should have received to bounce as I often read a chain with emails that I didn't see. On Mar 12, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Sally Davis wrote: Did anyone else get an email from this group that says the emails are bouncing? I am afraid to click on it in case it is a malicious link . James I am still here. Sally Davis The real problem is feeders who do not TNR. That's how these feral/hard stray colonies get out of control. Managing these colonies means responsible s/n, feeding and medical treatment when needed. JMHO Sharyl From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don't like some of the ways that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for. Some groups spay cats and release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a known fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as infections, and even disembowelment due to ruptures. Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical care! I can't even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700 cats! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org . Fix the momma and you stop the spread of the disease in a feral colony. I also do TNR and manage 2 feral colonies. The adult males and females are released back after recovery from their surgeries. Males 1 day and females 3-4 days as long as they are doing OK. The kittens I tame and try to adopt out. The only way to combat PETA is to responsibly manage these feral/hard stray colonies. My oldest feral is a 7+ year old male who is only happy outside in his colony. We can't take all these feral/hard strays in but we can give them a healthy, stress free life in their colonies once they have been spayed/neutered. At least that way the population is controlled. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] TNR
Messages too long. What I don't understand is that until recently, the accepted size was 20KB, now slightly longer ones are allowed to come through - this one was 30KB (I will erase some things from the bottom before II send this). Does anyone know what the limit is right now? From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of P Rose Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR I also received an email. I'm fairly new to the group and haven't posted as of yet. I didn't understand why they said the emails to me were bouncing because I have been receiving all of your posts on a regular basis. Anyone have a clue? Prairie Rose On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com wrote: I also received that email and did not know what it meant. I know my last posting was very short and posted. I was thinking that maybe a filter was causing some of the emails I should have received to bounce as I often read a chain with emails that I didn't see. On Mar 12, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Sally Davis wrote: Did anyone else get an email from this group that says the emails are bouncing? I am afraid to click on it in case it is a malicious link . James I am still here. Sally Davis The real problem is feeders who do not TNR. That's how these feral/hard stray colonies get out of control. Managing these colonies means responsible s/n, feeding and medical treatment when needed. JMHO Sharyl From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don't like some of the ways that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for. Some groups spay cats and release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a known fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as infections, and even disembowelment due to ruptures. Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical care! I can't even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700 cats! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] TNR
What is the maximum size this group handles right now? It used to be 20KB, now I just saw a 30KB that came through. This is very confusing. I have even tried sending something longer in sections, and it didn't work. Would you please change my e-mail address back to the original one: at...@optonline.net or in addition to the one I am using right now. Thank you, Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James G Wilson Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 11:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR Hey all, We've been having problems lately of certain email hosts bouncing mail back to the server. Even my address was bounced. It seems to be happening every couple of weeks lately. Don't worry though. I go in and manually reset all of the group's addresses back to regular mail. Sorry for the inconvenience. But, as long as spammers are allowed to flood the networks, we'll have to deal with this. Please feel free to let me know if there are any other issues. Best wishes to all. James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research Support) http://www.facebook.com/crambone http://weather62025.com (Weather for Edwardsville, IL) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] S'Matter Quigley
I lost another one today - I am totally drained. Preston, who was blind and declawed, found abandoned in September in a rural area in CT, has been with us all this time, looking for a home. He finally had a home to go to tomorrow. I had been treating him for CRF and while I was giving him fluids last night, I noticed that he breathed in an odd way.I thought that I heard a sort-of rattling in his lungs when I carried him. He always purred and made cookies (happy feet) on his beloved fleece blanket.I decided to get him checked out one more time before he was to leave tomorrow. X-rays were taken - huge mass in his lungs, fluids drained were yellow and red, and he started fading fast. We rushed back to the hospital, and held him while he was euthanized..Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of czadna sacarawicz Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 4:37 PM To: feline leukemia list Subject: [Felvtalk] S'Matter Quigley rocking with you and your beloveds. thank you for being here with us. what a family we have - - here and beyond.thank you for your faithfull-ness purrs rubs cz _ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 15:55:50 -0500 From: g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] S'Matter Please add to the CLS :( Sherry, So sorry about S'Matter. I lost a cat yesterday, had to have Quigley euthanized. NOT from FeLV, but to a very severe kidney infection - he was over 16 yrs old, grey with the most amazing emerald green eyes (left on our doorstep in a carrier years ago). Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 1:33 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] S'Matter Please add to the CLS :( I am sorry for your loss :( _ Date : Fri, 9 Mar 2012 10:30:16 -0800 From: sherryd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] S'Matter Please add to the CLS :( This morning we lost sweet scared S'Matterhe was quite the scaredy cat,but we did our best to calm his fears...he never really trusted us totally,but when I handed out treats I spotted him out of his hiding spot in the last couple monthstook pics to prove to others that he was a little braverwell I hope this wide eyed boy is calm and relaxed nowwe will miss you S'Matter :( Sherry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] FW: S'Matter Quigley
I sent this before, but it was too large. I lost another sweet cat today - I am totally drained. It hasn't been a good week. Preston, who was blind and declawed, found abandoned in September in a rural area in CT, has been with us all this time, looking for a home. He finally had a home to go to tomorrow. I had been treating him for CRF and while I was giving him fluids last night, I noticed that he breathed in an odd way.I thought that I heard a sort-of rattling in his lungs when I carried him. He always purred and made cookies (happy feet) on his beloved fleece blankets.I decided to get him checked out one more time today before he was to leave tomorrow morning. X-rays were taken - huge mass in his lungs, fluids drained were yellow and red, and he started fading fast. We rushed back to the hospital, and held him while he was euthanized..Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of czadna sacarawicz Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 4:37 PM To: feline leukemia list Subject: [Felvtalk] S'Matter Quigley rocking with you and your beloveds. thank you for being here with us. what a family we have - - here and beyond.thank you for your faithfull-ness purrs rubs cz _ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 15:55:50 -0500 From: g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] S'Matter Please add to the CLS :( Sherry, So sorry about S'Matter. I lost a cat yesterday, had to have Quigley euthanized. NOT from FeLV, but to a very severe kidney infection - he was over 16 yrs old, grey with the most amazing emerald green eyes (left on our doorstep in a carrier years ago). Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ginger
I am so sorry about Ginger; every time I hear of a cat dying, it hurts, whether it's someone else's or my own...and it happens so often on this list! No, getting another cat is not betrayal; I see it as a wonderful tribute to the cat that died! There are so many out there that are in desperate need of a home, and if you can prevent a death in honor of your cat that just passed, even better! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of botha.marin...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 3:05 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Ginger It's been a few weeks since we lost our ginger kitty. I am still so sad about my darling! Do you think I should get another kitty so soon after his death? I feel I would kind of betray my Ginger kitty. Could you please advice me what to do? Marinda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ginger
I can never understand how people would never want to get another pet; they just don't want to lose them againbut what a joyless life it would be without them! Before we started the cat rescue, every time one of our cats died, I'd rush over to our vet the very next day and ask whether they had any cats (he always has abandoned cats) - I didn't even ask questions, just grabbed the first cat that was available. All turned out to be the best cats ever, as if they weren't all the best cats ever, anyway, right? Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 12:36 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ginger Well said Natalie. So many people struggle with this. I used to have my own pet grooming business and had this come up every so often with customers. So sad. Some vow to never ever have another pet. I always told them that they were such wonderful pet parents and there were so many that needed homes. But I never thought to say it was a tribute to the pet that died. Such a wonderful perspective. Thank you! Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Mar 10, 2012, at 11:16 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: I am so sorry about Ginger; every time I hear of a cat dying, it hurts, whether it's someone else's or my own...and it happens so often on this list! No, getting another cat is not betrayal; I see it as a wonderful tribute to the cat that died! There are so many out there that are in desperate need of a home, and if you can prevent a death in honor of your cat that just passed, even better! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of botha.marin...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 3:05 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Ginger It's been a few weeks since we lost our ginger kitty. I am still so sad about my darling! Do you think I should get another kitty so soon after his death? I feel I would kind of betray my Ginger kitty. Could you please advice me what to do? Marinda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ferals
That's fantastic! You are really an example for others to follow! Thank you on behalf of all the =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^=.. Natalie =^..^= =^..^= etc. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 7:03 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ferals Heather, this is a huge undertaking for you and your bf. What a wonderful committment. Thank you. Lorrie On 03-07, Heather wrote: My bf and I take care of over 140 feral/homeless cats on the streets everyday (in over 20 different spots), 365 days a year for several years now, they are spayed and neutered/vaccinated, treated for illnesses as much as we are able. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] S'Matter Please add to the CLS :(
Sherry, So sorry about S'Matter. I lost a cat yesterday, had to have Quigley euthanized. NOT from FeLV, but to a very severe kidney infection - he was over 16 yrs old, grey with the most amazing emerald green eyes (left on our doorstep in a carrier years ago). Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 1:33 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] S'Matter Please add to the CLS :( I am sorry for your loss :( _ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 10:30:16 -0800 From: sherryd...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] S'Matter Please add to the CLS :( This morning we lost sweet scared S'Matterhe was quite the scaredy cat,but we did our best to calm his fears...he never really trusted us totally,but when I handed out treats I spotted him out of his hiding spot in the last couple monthstook pics to prove to others that he was a little braverwell I hope this wide eyed boy is calm and relaxed nowwe will miss you S'Matter :( Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links
Believe me, I am 100% onboard with TNR, it’s just not for me. I have tried several times to set-up colonies in Greenwich, but could not get anyone to become responsible caretakers….TNR colonies require really dedicated and responsible people, not part-time do-gooders who have no idea how much work goes into caring for a colony to keep it healthy. And as I said before, I am totally against the immediate release after surgery (spay/neuter, especially in the winter))….but you would be surprised how many keep doing it with horrible results; their philosophy is that even though they lose a few, they’ve done their part! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharyl Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 3:37 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links I know others have also responded Natalie about TNR. TNR is one of the best ways of fighting the spread of FeLV. In my experience a positive momma will have positive kittens. Fix the momma and you stop the spread of the disease in a feral colony. I also do TNR and manage 2 feral colonies. The adult males and females are released back after recovery from their surgeries. Males 1 day and females 3-4 days as long as they are doing OK. The kittens I tame and try to adopt out. The only way to combat PETA is to responsibly manage these feral/hard stray colonies. My oldest feral is a 7+ year old male who is only happy outside in his colony. We can't take all these feral/hard strays in but we can give them a healthy, stress free life in their colonies once they have been spayed/neutered. At least that way the population is controlled. The real problem is feeders who do not TNR. That's how these feral/hard stray colonies get out of control. Managing these colonies means responsible s/n, feeding and medical treatment when needed. JMHO Sharyl From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don’t like some of the ways that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for. Some groups spay cats and release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a known fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as infections, and even disembowelment due to ruptures. Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical care! I can’t even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700 cats! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] FYI - pet food article
As pets have become more important to their owners, what the pets are fed has become more important as well. Most pet owners are concerned about the quality and nutrition level of the food they are feeding their furry family members. There are now hundreds of pet foods available to the consumer. How do you know what to believe regarding pet food claims?... Read the full http://bcvetgreenwich.com/index.php?newsletters=12154 article ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FYI - pet food article
There have been an alerts out about Costco pet food recalls. http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=Costco+pet+fod+recall From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FYI - pet food article Does anyone feed Kirkland food? Sold at Costco? I have a friend who feeds it to her cats all of a sudden 4 of her cats started losing weight. She switched foods now they are OK. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 9:42 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FYI - pet food article As pets have become more important to their owners, what the pets are fed has become more important as well. Most pet owners are concerned about the quality and nutrition level of the food they are feeding their furry family members. There are now hundreds of pet foods available to the consumer. How do you know what to believe regarding pet food claims?... Read the full http://bcvetgreenwich.com/index.php?newsletters=12154 article ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: TNR
At least the cat colonies don't have to freeze in the winter in FL like they do elsewhere. Most TNR groups that I know of in this area don't tests at all. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 1:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: TNR -- Forwarded message -- From: Heather furrygi...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Definitely not to argue, but to provide some perspective on high volume TNR and the ACA (and Neighborhood Cats) stance on routine testing of TNR ferals... While millions of cats are of course killed in shelters each year nationally, the free roaming cat population on the streets may differ vastly geographically. In my city (Tampa), there are hundreds of thousands of feral cats. There are several of us constantly practicing TNR on the population at large (or colonies where the feeders are not fixing--a huge sore spot with us, too), meaning trapping pretty much every week, sometimes more than once a week, cats who are not at our own colonies. Some of my friends trap anywhere from 10 - 50 cats per week for TNR (and of course kittens and such are rescued as much as space/socialization/fosters permit, sick cats treated, etc.) Routine TNR's--not being rescued for adoption or not being addressed/treated for illness are not tested. If we tested every cat, we could only spay/neuter/vaccinate a fraction of the cats. There would be far more (exponentially, we all know how cats can reproduce--here it's hot and a mama will have 3 litters a year) cats breeding, spreading illness. There would be more negative AND more positive cats, and therefore since unfixed, also more positive (and negative) kittens being born on the streets. In our city, we are serving the greater good by fixing as many as possible. Since we all also do a lot of rescue, pulling friendlies/dumped cats, or cats to be treated for illness, from colonies, I can say we run into FELV fairly seldomly. Despite my own very high # of colonies, in addition to helping people rescue and fix cats all over, I have run into FELV the most of anyone I know and it's really just been in two areas, close in proximity, where the feeders are NOT fixing the cats. Disease definititely seems to proliferate where the cats are unsterilized, though of course I realize it spreads in other ways besides reproducing. As TNR has steadily increased in our county, the # of cats euthanized at our county AS has steadily declined--I can share a graph if anyone is interested, the results are absolutely amazing and pretty much in direct proportion in terms of euth decrease/TNR increase. Several years ago 16K-18K cats were killed per year at this county shelter; now it is down to around 9K. Even our own local Humane Society--which has the most awesome s/n/TNR clinic, but was very firm on testing for years, finally conceded with the ACA/Neighborhood Cats stance that, on routine TNR's not showing signs of illness, the resources are best spent in sterilizing more cats than on testing. They do sometimes call us while assessing/operating and say they feel a particular cat needs to be tested. They are elated by the decrease in shelter euthanasia as well. I have no qualms returning an FIV+ cat to a safe area with a good caretaker, I had one FIV+ female who lived to be 14 outside until we brought her in to live her last 9 months due to geriatric issues. Granted, this was on a university campus where we often have cats live to be over 10 years old (just a little different environment from the true streets such as fast food joints, etc.). I hope me providing this perspective isn't resented--again, it's not intended to argue, just some comments to explain why many embrace the ACA perspective on not testing routine TNR's Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion and best practices for what they are doing. The overpopulation problem in Florida is insane, that is one thing that goes without saying. Thanks everyone for caring about cats! Heather On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: I agree, FeLV should be put down or homed. I have returned FIV cats Unfortunately, Alley Cat Allies thinks they all should be returned not even tested. The place I have gotten ferals fixed believes this refuses to test ferals. Crazy. attachment: image001.gif___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Part 3 of Caboodle Ranch cats taken away
More than 100 responders are assisting the ASPCA with the investigation, including staff and volunteers from the University of Florida (Gainesville) College of Veterinary Medicine, the Maples Center for Forensic Medicine and the following organizations: Atlanta Humane Society (Atlanta, GA) Bay Area Disaster Animal Response Team (Belleair Bluffs, FL) Cat Depot (Sarasota, FL) Florida State Animal Response Coalition (Bushnell, FL) Good Mews Animal Foundation (Marietta, GA) Humane Society of Broward County (Fort Lauderdale, FL) International Fund for Animal Welfare (Yarmouth Port, MA) McKamey Animal Care and Adoption Center (Chattanooga, TN) PetSmart Charities, Inc. (Phoenix, AZ) RedRover (Sacramento, CA) Sumter DART (Bushnell, FL) The founder and operator of Caboodle Ranch, Craig Grant, has been arrested and charged with one count of felony animal cruelty, three counts of cruelty to animals and one count of scheming to defraud. The cats are currently considered evidence in the criminal case, but the ASPCA will work on placement of the animals once their final disposition has been determined by the prosecutor. Please check back on ASPCA.org for future updates about the https://donate.aspca.org/Donate/Donations/Website%20Banners/Website_Banner_ Guardian_5.aspx Florida cats. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Part 2 of Caboodle Ranch cats taken away
Since Monday, February 26, the ASPCA's http://www.aspca.org/fight-animal-cruelty/field-investigation-and-response- team-members.aspx Field Investigations and Response (FIR) team has been in northern Florida managing the removal of hundreds of cats from an overwhelmed cat sanctuary known as Caboodle Ranch. We joined the effort at the request of Madison County Animal Control and the Madison County Sheriff's Office, which obtained a search warrant following a thorough investigation of the sanctuary that spanned more than a year. The cats were found living in overcrowded and filthy conditions. Many are exhibiting signs of severe neglect and appear to be suffering from upper respiratory conditions and eye infections, among a host of other medical issues. Some sick cats were housed together but not separated by their afflictions, allowing for the unfettered transmission of various diseases. Responders have found numerous deceased and decomposing cats on the property, as well as multiple shallow grave sites. This is a tragic situation. Caboodle Ranch was clearly overwhelmed with hundreds of cats in dire need of medical treatment, says Tim Rickey, Senior Director of the ASPCA's FIR With nearly 700 cats already removed from the property, this is the largest number of cats the ASPCA has ever seized in the course of an http://www.aspca.org/fir animal cruelty investigation-and efforts to locate them all are ongoing. The rescued animals have been relocated to a temporary shelter in Jacksonville, where veterinary, sheltering, and behavior teams are assessing, diagnosing, treating and caring for them. ASPCA responders are struck by the stark difference between the version of the Caboodle Ranch presented on its website and the http://www.aspca.org/fight-animal-cruelty/animal-hoarding.aspx reality on the ground. There are some extremely sick animals, says one ASPCA volunteer. Most are not at death's door, but there are very, very few who are completely healthy. She also notes that the majority of the cats are friendly and eager for human contact: Four hundred of them just walked right into our carriers. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links
ASPCA removed 700 cats from Caboodle Ranch - I tried posting it here this morning, even in three parts, it was still too large., and kept bouncing back, saying it has to be reviewed.. If anyone would like to see it, let me know and I will forward TO YOU. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dana giordano Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 9:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links Just info on the caboodle ranch issue: This place gets a lot of media attention and volunteers. Personally, while he's not perfect, he was not alone in this work, so it seems at least worth it to consider he got steamrolled. I've been reading about it and it really seems like it may have been part of an overall political move by PETA (who tends to kill animals, not save them - check their stats.) PETA apparently wants to stop the bill that will allow rescues to pull the animals slated to die from the county shelter and is using this issue as a platform. ASPCA was involved but I think PETA was pretty much running that show. And if there is one org I do NOT trust it is PETA. (So now you know where my bias is.) Anyway, If you're interested in reading more: http://blogs.catster.com/the-cats-meow-a-cat-and-kitten-blog/caboodle-ranch- the-other-side-of-the-story/2012/03/05/ http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2012-03-02/story/embattled-caboodle-ranch -operator-says-confiscated-records-detail-his If you want to support the guy, there is a Caboodle Ranch petition: http://www.change.org/petitions/free-craig-grant-and-open-caboodle-ranch-fre e-craig-grant-and-open-caboodle-ranch?utm_medium=facebook http://www.change.org/petitions/free-craig-grant-and-open-caboodle-ranch-fr ee-craig-grant-and-open-caboodle-ranch?utm_medium=facebookutm_source=share_ petitionutm_term=autopublish utm_source=share_petitionutm_term=autopublish# I hope the cats will end up in a safe place and not euthed. Remember, more than anything, it is the cats who now are in bigger danger now, then they were at the ranch. Also - consider how many times TNR's put domestic cats back on the street if there were feeders? (I'm not one of them, but consider that, before condemning the guy.) This is a sad story. I hope we hear better news for all the animals involved. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links
I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don't like some of the ways that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for. Some groups spay cats and release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a known fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as infections, and even disembowelment due to ruptures. Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical care! I can't even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700 cats! Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marta Gasper Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 10:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links consider how many times TNR's put domestic cats back on the street if there were feeders? (I'm not one of them, but consider that, before condemning the guy.) You mean the policy of returning cats to a feral colony if the colony has a feeder?..how that fits into this situation? TNR is for ferals not housecats. Though in some cases_such as mine I trap cats on the loose, ferals or not. If feral they go to a feral colony, if not I try to find owner, education goes so far, most people will want to keep the cat in/out but at least the cat is neutered now and won't be making more. If possible I take in the cat, list as found and if it is not claimed I put him up for adoption_taking in all tame cats is just not possible but I do try to bring in the declaweds and kittens._ I don't just abandon the cat out there, I make sure it has shelter and a feeder. I know very well this is considered cruel by a sector of the pop and that's ok, we all have a right to our opinion. But I don't understand how this fits with Caboodle, you mean because he had all these cats roaming the property and they weren't taken care of? If so I would say that since he said Caboodle was a sanctuary that implies the cats are to be taken care of, if sick taken to a vet etc._Very different from a feral colony where the intentions are the same but nobody wants a colony of sick cats and yet there are ferals that will die rather than walk in a trap; I know I had one of these. We tried for half a year to trap him and in his last months it was evident that he would have had to be euthanized. We just could not, and one day we found him dead. It happens often and makes caretakers feel awful. A sanctuary OTOH is expected to treat each and every cat. A sanctuary is not just a place to leave a pet, walk away and forget all about it. That is why a person is expected to fund the cat care. Granted some of the cats could have been dumped at the place and no money to support them. But it wasn't the majority, and if CG couldn't afford them did he ask rescues to take them? I don't know that, I can't side with either story but just wanted to comment on that remark abt TNR and how it fit with the CR situation, I think it doesn't. Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch link
I realize what PETA is trying to do with the propend legislation, but it doesn't negate the conditions at Caboodle, nor how the creep took money for personal use even though at the same time he was paying himself a hefty salary! He may have started with good intentions, but obviously abandoned them down the line. I always questioned the logistics of such an open type cat rescue group - how does one keep them all inside, how does one keep track of them, and what would stop anyone from dumping new and possibly sick cats..and much more. PETA has also been going after a hospice-type group in NY state called Angel's Gate; they take in FeLV/FIV, terminally ill and very handicapped animals - of course, visiting such a place is never the same as seeing healthy animals for adoption. FoA is fully backing Angel Gate's work, and I can truly appreciate how much different it is caring for healthy versus only sick animals, from my own experience. As much as I appreciate much of PETA's work, some of their work is extremely questionable, and Ingrid Newkirk originally came from managing a kill shelter, never abandoning her serious kill convictions!. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 10:29 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch link I'm just posting this link in case anyone is interested in hearing the other side of the story--I am not trying to take either side but thought this may be of interest to some. I can't say which side is right--my guess would be neither and that the truth lies somewhere in between, however, PETA is absolutely using this case to try to fight the Florida Animal Rescue Act and for me, their involvement really skews things. Again though just posting since this case has been discussed here. Thanks! http://caboodleranch.livejournal.com/43479.html ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic but if anyone can help with info? fluid in lungs
My vet is and his assistant have become expert in dealing with feral cats by using towels/blankets to wrap and rewrap as needed for examinations. I have also learned this in dealing with feral cats. You could also get some Bach Flower Remedy - RESCUE, use it in the cat's water, you can put it onto the cat's gums, or even on the skin inside the ear or on the forehead..every little bit helps. Use some Feliway spray inside the carrier (one spray of it about one hour before using the carrier (it's quite potent) - all that should calm the cat. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 6:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic but if anyone can help with info? fluid in lungs Talk to a holist vet (MHO). Kitty and Dixie, feral similar to yours, did wonderfully with the care of both a holistic vet and a regular vet. I know, I am blessed to have both and they respect each other. Also, if possible, find another regular vet. Killing a cat without symptoms and true pain (not discomfort) is beyond me. I have dealt with ferals a really long time. In fact, every cat who has moved into my home or chosen to live where I can provide some comforts (food, outdoor shelter) has been feral. They are the smartest of the smart (again MHO) and will let you know exactly what they want. On Mar 3, 2012, at 5:09 PM, dppl dppl wrote: Melinda, thanks for taking the time to respond so quickly. My fear is, if this vet didn't want to draw blood since she said cat's gums started turning blue, how will she endure further testing? How much stress should I put her through? She was born to a feral cat, I have had her over 13 years she is tame for me, but freaks out when i try to put her in carrier . ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic but if anyone can help with info? fluid in lungs
Better test it out before going to the vet since every cat responds differently to catnip, some get mellow, happy, and others might get very agitated and even aggressive.. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 7:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic but if anyone can help with info? fluid in lungs And maybe some spray catnip concentrate On Mar 3, 2012, at 5:47 PM, GRAS wrote: My vet is and his assistant have become expert in dealing with feral cats by using towels/blankets to wrap and rewrap as needed for examinations. I have also learned this in dealing with feral cats. You could also get some Bach Flower Remedy - RESCUE, use it in the cat's water, you can put it onto the cat's gums, or even on the skin inside the ear or on the forehead..every little bit helps. Use some Feliway spray inside the carrier (one spray of it about one hour before using the carrier (it's quite potent) - all that should calm the cat. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 6:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic but if anyone can help with info? fluid in lungs Talk to a holist vet (MHO). Kitty and Dixie, feral similar to yours, did wonderfully with the care of both a holistic vet and a regular vet. I know, I am blessed to have both and they respect each other. Also, if possible, find another regular vet. Killing a cat without symptoms and true pain (not discomfort) is beyond me. I have dealt with ferals a really long time. In fact, every cat who has moved into my home or chosen to live where I can provide some comforts (food, outdoor shelter) has been feral. They are the smartest of the smart (again MHO) and will let you know exactly what they want. On Mar 3, 2012, at 5:09 PM, dppl dppl wrote: Melinda, thanks for taking the time to respond so quickly. My fear is, if this vet didn't want to draw blood since she said cat's gums started turning blue, how will she endure further testing? How much stress should I put her through? She was born to a feral cat, I have had her over 13 years she is tame for me, but freaks out when i try to put her in carrier . ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Animal abuse
Maybe a better strategy could have been NOT to say anything, and then ZAP it to him through the jury!? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 7:53 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Animal abuse On 03-01, Lynda Wilson wrote: Oh don't shoot him, make him suffer the same way he made those poor babies suffer. An eye for an eye in this case! Good for you for telling the attorney's your opinion! I'd say the same thing :0) I don't like PETA being in on this case either. I think Craig Grant got in over his head, but didn't mean to abuse the cats. AS for jury duty I'd say I had to listen to the details before making a decision. That way I'd be chosen for the jury. Then when the jury voted I'd give this cruel SOB what he deserves. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty
Thank you for sending this. It makes it clear that this isn't just a case of a mere getting over his head situation.he's a crook, plain and simple. I'm glad that I never came across anyone like that, yet..Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of C PQ Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 8:03 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty FYI: Here's another perspective on the situation: From: X [name removed] Sent: Tuesday,February 28, 2012 3:51 PM Subject: Craig Grant, Director of Caboodle Ranch The below info isfound at this link: https://www.facebook.com/caboodleranch.savethekitties Yesterday, when I heard of the investigation and rescue intervention at Caboodle Ranch, my first thought was that Craig Grant was just another compassionate fool who got in over his head because he couldn't turn away a cat with nowhere to go. The below information has changed my perception of him. No decent individual would let animals in his custody go without needed medical care, food and clean living conditions while making frivolous expenditures on himself from 501.3c funds that should have been spent on the cats. Financial Fraud For an overview of embezzlement and financial fraud click here here. Records obtained through the court indicate that operator, Craig Grant, is embezzling corporate funds (donations) for personal use. There are numerous transactions on their 501(c) not-for-profit account fortransactions such as: airline flights, trip to Vegas, tickets to Daytona 500, hotels, online clothing orders, online magazine orders, gifts, etc. The list goes on and on. Craig admitted in court records that he does not routinely record cash donations. It's been reported that Craig has used cash to take people out to eat. In interviews Craig Grant has stated he gets a $1000/month personal salary. Therefore, any personal expenses should be paid for out of HIS salary. It is unlawful for any transactions for personal use to come out of a not-for-profit corporate account. All donations/income MUST be used for the care of cats. The IRS andAttorney General have been notified. - Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog. http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=Y3BxMzc0NQ%3D%3D Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 19:34:37 -0600 From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty I have asked my vet to tak t me if he thinks I am becoming a hoarder. I wish I had a mllion dollars, I would have such a rescue place for all animals, but until then, I feel that my limit is 7 cats both fnancially and physically. Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: The people I'm talking about did spay/neuter had vet references. They had good intentions, but the hoarding mentality took over got out of hand. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 10:28 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty Sadly, there may be some, but I have yet to come across a rescuer/hoarder in the 20 years of being involved in cat rescuein Southern CT. There are probably some hoarder types; a typical symptom would be someone who doesn't spay/neuter nor provides veterinary care..therefore, they may not be the typical hoarders as we know them. The CT woman was definitely not one! She was extremely well-respected, a caring and capable woman whose life and the lives of the cats in her care have been ruined forever, thanks to overzealous officials and a disgruntled person! The state didn't even allow her home-visit vet to vouch for the health and treatment that he prescribed for cats in her care to testify on her behalf! I can tell you that there's a hidden agenda in CT to put all small cat rescues out of business to allow stray, feral, abandoned cats to be rounded up and killed! BTW, we are NO-KILL, no cages; in addition to cats in home surroundings, we also have several cat condos and enclosed outdoor runs in warmer months. Natalie From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:47 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty I don't know the full story of the woman in CT, so I can't comment on that, but I've seen people who are heads of rescue organizations who are hoarders. Just because someone has a title does not mean they are OK. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk
Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch
You came to that conclusion only because it is usually the case under such circumstances; Craig is different, he's just a creepy, old, despicable, and selfish son-of-a-gun! That was my first thought, too, because on videos that I've seen before, the place looked immaculate and the cats appeared healthy (that must have been the first day!) and then things went steadily downhill, or, more likely, at an accelerated pace. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 9:29 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch It appears I was certainly wrong to assume Craig Grant just couldn't turn down a homeless cat. It was money for his own enjoyment that he couldn't turn down! This is really shocking. Lorrie On 03-02, C PQ wrote: FYI: Here's another perspective on the situation: From: X [name removed] Sent: Tuesday,February 28, 2012 3:51 PM Subject: Craig Grant, Director of Caboodle Ranch The below info isfound at this link: https://www.facebook.com/caboodleranch.savethekitties Yesterday, when I heard of the investigation and rescue intervention at Caboodle Ranch, my first thought was that Craig Grant was just another compassionate fool who got in over his head because he couldn't turn away a cat with nowhere to go. The below information has changed my perception of him. No decent individual would let animals in his custody go without needed medical care, food and clean living conditions while making frivolous expenditures on himself from 501.3c funds that should have been spent on the cats. Financial Fraud For an overview of embezzlement and financial fraud click here here. Records obtained through the court indicate that operator, Craig Grant, is embezzling corporate funds (donations) for personal use. There are numerous transactions on their 501(c) not-for-profit account for transactions such as: airline flights, trip to Vegas, tickets to Daytona 500, hotels, online clothing orders, online magazine orders, gifts, etc. The list goes on and on. Craig admitted in court records that he does not routinely record cash donations. It's been reported that Craig has used cash to take people out to eat. In interviews Craig Grant has stated he gets a $1000/month personal salary. Therefore, any personal expenses should be paid for out of HIS salary. It is unlawful for any transactions for personal use to come out of a not-for-profit corporate account. All donations/income MUST be used for the care of cats. The IRS andAttorney General have been notified. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty
It's very sad and unfortunate when someone with really good intentions allows things to go so wrong, doesn't ask for help. But, to be fair, maybe help that was asked for but never materialized..I know how people can be. This also gives other groups a bad name. I have MANY cats, but if donations don't come in, we happen to be lucky to be able to subsidize until things get better. I could never allow any cat to get that sick, especially with simple and very avoidable things. We house the cats in our home, and people who visit would never be able to guess how many there are, and that we have so many (they guess a tiny fraction) - and that requires a tremendous amount of work. I don't want anyone to leave here and spread rumors about a dirty, smelly house.. I have also known about very hasty conclusions drawn by people who have no idea what it's like to care for many cats, especially multiple number of sick ones with very special needs. In upper CT, several years ago, a woman housed the shelter in her home, was president of a cat rescue organization, was raided one morning, before she was even out of bed. They broke the glass on the door to open it from the inside, barged in, confiscated all the cats, charged her with trumped up things like this (remember, this is about 7 AM): dirty litter boxes, no food for the cats, sick cats with various illnesses (ear mites, CRF, no teeth, as if that's an illness etc), practicing medicine without a license (she had meds for the cats and treating them), and the list went on like that. She wasn't even allowed to tell them which meds were for which cats, and which cats were the sick ones - they were going to have their vets determine that! During this round-up, the poor cats were petrified, flew around like ferals, which they were NOT). She was not even allowed to visit them (including her personal cats) that were put up at various places around the area, and by the time of the court date, she owed the state over $130,000 in boarding and vet fees. She wasn't able to pay that. Many cats died during that time, were separated from their buddies in separate cages, never knew freedom..they were held as evidence. This all happened because a disgruntled volunteer reported her to state canine and USDA. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marta Gasper Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 8:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty Caboodle was one of my FB friends..I thought/read someplace there was help at CR. No way one person can cope with that many..many times hoarders do fool the authorities and the public, I've seen it hapen..lets face it; we, even if all we do is take care of the animals, have more complicated lives than a pet. So at any time something can go wrong, financially, personally, healthwise..and that is other people should take charge. Having the land and best intentions is a great start but much more is needed. I do rescue, have a license and am now starting the paperwork to be non-profit, all this while I learnt that is what has to come first, then one can start looking for volunteers and plan ahead, ie ten years from now. I know CR was nonprof so what happened to the Board and volunteers he should have had to get that status? I'm very sorry for the cats that paid_and the people that entrusted their lives to the sanctuary_for that mistake. Another cautionary tale though unfortunatly very well based on reality. Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty
Sadly, there may be some, but I have yet to come across a “rescuer/hoarder” in the 20 years of being involved in cat rescue in Southern CT. There are probably some hoarder types; a typical symptom would be someone who doesn’t spay/neuter nor provides veterinary care….therefore, they may not be the “typical” hoarders as we know them. The CT woman was definitely not one! She was extremely well-respected, a caring and capable woman whose life and the lives of the cats in her care have been ruined forever, thanks to overzealous officials and a disgruntled person! The state didn’t even allow her home-visit vet to vouch for the health and treatment that he prescribed for cats in her care to testify on her behalf! I can tell you that there’s a hidden agenda in CT to put all small cat rescues out of business to allow stray, feral, abandoned cats to be rounded up and killed! BTW, we are NO-KILL, no cages; in addition to cats in home surroundings, we also have several cat condos and enclosed outdoor runs in warmer months. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:47 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty I don't know the full story of the woman in CT, so I can't comment on that, but I've seen people who are heads of rescue organizations who are hoarders. Just because someone has a title does not mean they are OK. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort
When I first saw a video about this ranch a few years ago, I wondered how anyone could possible keep track of and care for so many cats, especially when there's absolutely no control over them, in all those little houses (no matter how cute they are), no central feeding place, etc. I am not really surprised! However, the fact that PETA is involved, worries me a bit..for several reasons. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 11:51 AM To: FeLV Talk Subject: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/good-mews-assists-aspca-in-rescue-of -600-cats#photo-9221699 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!Image removed by sender. www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ attachment: ~WRD148.jpg___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
