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On Thursday, October 11, 2018 at 11:19:15 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On Thursday, October 11, 2018 at 12:09:13 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
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> >There is something to there being two fields with their own conferences:
>> AI (Artificial *Intelligence*) and AC (
On Thursday, October 11, 2018 at 12:27:31 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
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> >>You can't do metaphysics with a scientific attitude, if you could it
>>> wouldn't be metaphysics, it would just be physics. Metaphysics means
>>> unscientif
On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 4:09:03 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
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> On 10/10/2018 4:12 PM, Pierz wrote:
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> It's not intelligent behaviour. There are tons of things (human artifacts
> that have been created to automate certain complex input-output systems)
> that exhibit complex, intelligent-
On Saturday, October 13, 2018 at 12:37:22 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
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> So no, I am very confident in my employment status and will remain so
> until the computers I work with start understanding the purpose of the
> software I am writing on them. So far, that is still in the domain of
> fanta
On Saturday, October 13, 2018 at 6:51:53 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
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On Sunday, October 14, 2018 at 8:24:29 AM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> In a two state system, such as a qubit, what forces the interpretation
> that the system is in both states simultaneously before measurement, versus
> the interpretation that we just don't what state it's in before
On Sunday, October 14, 2018 at 2:32:39 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
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> What I've read about Damasio, e.g.
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>> "He also demonstrated that while the insular cortex plays a major role in
>> feeli
On Sunday, October 14, 2018 at 4:30:18 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
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>> But that's not evid
On Sunday, October 14, 2018 at 9:53:07 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
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> >*And there are sound reasons for doubting the consciousness of computers
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> Name one of them that could not also be used to doubt the consciousness of
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On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 9:44:21 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
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> *>The thought crossed my mind yesterday: I was helping a young man
>> applying for a Ph.D. program in chemical engineering with hi
On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 11:01:32 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
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> *> What puzzles me is this; why would the Founders assume that a system in
>> a superposition is in all component states simultaneously -- contradicting
>> the intuitive appeal o
On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 11:11:13 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
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> >>I guess its *possible* the man applying for a Ph.D was a zombie, but
>>> you know you are not a zombie so if he is one then C
On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 12:29:30 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
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> > *There is not one method of calculation.*
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> There is always more than one way to make a calculation in physics, but at
> the end
On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 1:21:28 PM UTC-5, smitra wrote:
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> It may look like one can re-interpret QM as being consistent with
> Einstein realism, but Bell disproved this (if you assume locality). Note
> also what Bruce said about "simultaneously".
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Not exactly.
https://arxiv.org
On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 6:45:11 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
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> *>As I have proposed, information processing alone will not lead to
>> consciousness. Experience processing
>> <https://co
On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 8:50:57 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
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> The "separation" of science from religion was the invention of science as
> a way of knowing what was fact and what was superstition. Science was
> testing beliefs and holding them only provisionally.
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> Brent
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On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 10:49:44 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
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On Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 1:01:40 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
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> But here is the thesis I think of the experience-oriented (vs.
> information-oriented) paradigm*: *Experience cannot be represented: It
> does
On Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 12:52:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
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> Whatever one defines intelligence to be, for something (or some *being*,
> as some might prefer) to be conscious (for those who think it is real) is
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On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 9:00:21 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On Friday, October 19, 2018 at 12:08:10 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 1:32:25 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> >> I work with people who studied religion all the times. You seem unaware
> that we can doubt Aris
On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 10:33:04 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
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> >> On 10/19/2018 11:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> >>> I work with people who studied religion all the
On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 2:51:30 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
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On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 5:55:46 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
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On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 3:04:35 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 9:11:03 AM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote:
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> I am generally sympathetic to Tegmark's mathematical multiverse idea, but
> I have two comments/criticisms to it:
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> relation. In philosophy, the
On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 9:28:21 AM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote:
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>> I have two comments/criti
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On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 11:30:54 AM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote:
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On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 5:50:28 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> Finally a proof that quantum computers outperform classical computers
> for a certain class of problems? Thoughts?
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> "Quantum computers are expected to be better at
On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 6:05:41 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> mathematical language, but mathematics is a language* too, li
On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 8:54:47 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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I posted/tweeted about that elsewhere a couple a weeks ago:
*Quantum Computers Speed Up Classical with Probability Zero*
Yuri Ozhigov
https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/9803064
also by Ozhigov:
*Constructive physics*
Yuri Ozhigov
https://arxiv.org/abs/0805.2859
- pt
On Monday, October 22, 2018
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> *'The system is a substance in chemically unstable equilibrium, perhaps a
> charge of gunpowder that, by means of intrinsic forces, can spontaneously
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On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 10:33:13 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 11:13:52 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 at 11:23:22 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> > On 10/22/2018 6:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> >> The mathematical reality has noting to do with languages, except that
> languages are needed if m
On Wednesday, October 24, 2018 at 3:47:39 PM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote:
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> Bruno,
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> as I see it, my ontology, whose relational aspect is defined by the
> relation of similarity (and its special kinds - instantiation and
> composition), includes your ontology, because pure set theory includes
On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 11:03:22 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> There was no physics before writing, also; but there was a physical
> reality and a mathematical reality before human writing, and before humans,
> although this is metaphorical, as the arithmetical reality is out
On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 12:46:48 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
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> > Now, when you say that there was no mathematics before writing, I am
> > not sure. I think the incas have developed ways to compute (notably
> > the position of the star in
On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 9:50:13 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> OK. But it seemed to me you said that is better not to make unnecessary
>> assumption.
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> My only ontological assumption is that existenc
On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 3:14:05 PM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote:
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On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 7:55:57 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
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On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 1:35:14 PM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com
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On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 2:52:51 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
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> Logical consistency is a relation between sentences. It's not about
>> existence. The sentences might be about the existence of something, but
On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 3:21:33 PM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote:
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On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 5:46:26 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
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>> Which high-lights the category error. Objects can't be inconsistent...so
>> they can't be consistent either. Only their description can be consis
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&g
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>> But if the running code of a robot (say installed in Sophia [
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_
On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 8:29:32 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 10:27:56 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 7:48:57 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
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> Instead of relativism, philosophers talk of *perspectivism*.
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> (Nietzsche is said to be the father of perspectivism. I say, actually,
> Kan
On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 3:06:42 AM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote:
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On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 4:44:49 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 4:35:39 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> Because finite numbers can be shown to have infinite hallucinations,
> especially when they mess with other finite numbers. And that leads to a
> testable theology, which includes an explanation of where both quanta a
On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 5:05:03 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 5:22:02 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 11:07:41 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
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> > *What's your view of Zeno's paradox which implies motion is
>> impossible.*
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> Zeno thought it was obvious if you added an infinite number of nonzero
> lengths or nonzero t
On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 1:55:27 PM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>>&g
On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 5:15:28 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
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> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 5:21 PM > wrote:
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> >*If you try to traverse a unit distance in infinite steps such as 1/2,
>> 1/4, 1/8, 1/16 and so forth, the sum converges to 1, but you will never
>> traverse the distance even
On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 5:46:13 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
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On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 8:27:49 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
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> > To a mathematical ultrafinitist [
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrafinitism ], the standard calculus is
>> wrong.
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&g
On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 3:44:03 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 4:29:01 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 4:55:13 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 10:44:00 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
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> *> Engineers today are ultrafintiitists in practice: They design airplanes
>> and bridges with computer software that
On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 7:44:35 AM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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"there CAN be a infinite number of variable pauses in which each pause is
half the length of the previous pause"
You realize that is what a Zeno machine is based on:
More formally, a *Zeno machine* is a Turing machine
On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 12:30:51 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
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On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 5:49:19 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
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Bruno,
Have you looked at various SKI interpreters around that could be used?
Several now (on GitHub) in JavaScript. Also in Haskell. And there's the
Unlambda system by David Madore.
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On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 6:15:18 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 11:13:17 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
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A new series on embedded agents. In the second post, how *Löb's theorem
*complicates
agent programs.
1. https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/p7x32SEt43ZMC9r7r/embedded-agents
2. https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/zcPLNNw4wgBX5k8kQ/decision-theory
(The third in the series to be posted Nov 2, according
On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 12:31:13 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
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On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 12:47:09 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
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On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 1:44:19 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
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On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 1:48:16 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
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On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 2:33:31 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
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On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 3:45:53 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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TOWARDS CONSCIOUS AI SYSTEMS AAAI Spring Symposium, Stanford, CA, March 25
– 27, 2019
http://diid.unipa.it/roboticslab/consciousai/
http://diid.unipa.it/roboticslab/consciousai/http://diid.unipa.it/roboticslab/consciousai/
Paper submission: November 12, 2018 (was November 2, 2018 )
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On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 11:01:41 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
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> As long as both are intelligent how could you tell the difference between
> a conscious AI System and a non-conscious AI System? If you can't then
> shouldn't you be concentrating on figuring out how intelligence works
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