Re: Kelly Saveika hearing/Barn home placements

[glenda Goodman]

Bless your heart...I sure will...
--- Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Shelters put a lot of cats down who would make
> wonderful pets if given the opportunity.  Cats who
> are fractious or undersocialized need a good foster
> home where someone will take the time to work with
> them.  It is premature to send them to a barn home,
> especially when they have been so recently
> traumatized by the whole animal
> control/seizure/shelter cage experience.
>
>   Could you simply forward my posts on this topic to
> sheila or susan or whomever has these cats?  I'm
> active with Fix Our Ferals in Oakland, CA and on a
> nationwide feral cat list with almost 3000 members. 
> We should be able to find safe indoor placements
> with feral-aware people for 6 cats.  These cats have
> options.  So please urge the people who have them to
> contact me before putting them outside somewhere.
> 
> glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Hi Susan, 
> I do understand about believing some cats deserve to
> be socialized...I do know a number of the cats
> Shelia
> took in were FeLV cats and I think some so unsocial
> that the city shelter would have put them down.That
> is
> why Susan stepped in... These must have been the
> ones
> that were placed in the barn situation...I think if
> you go right to shadowcats or just come over and
> post
> on Michael's list...I'm not trying to steal anyone
> from the list they are on, but in my heart and soul,
> my interest is the cats and if you have better ideas
> for these cats, I'm with you. I trapped a couple
> ferals a couple weeks ago , they got spayed
> /neutered
> and I paid out of pocket for their rabies
> vaccinations, etc, but was forced to release them
> right back to their own environment...did find a
> lady
> willing to feed them, however...I am here in
> Nebraska...I'm from your area of California...things
> are very backward here for the animals. I will visit
> you offlist later. 
> Thank you for caring...Glenda
> --- Susan Hoffman wrote:
> 
> > One last word on this, for the sake of the cats
> > intended for barn home placements. To whomever is
> > on this list and in contact with the people who
> > actually have these cats, please have them contact
> > me off-list. I know a lot of people who work with
> > feral and undersocialized cats and surely we
> should
> > be able to absorb 6 cats. Please have the person
> > with these cats get in touch with me. Releasing
> > cats who have been raised indoors to some outside
> > location is not in the best interests of the cats.
> 
> > We can come up with a much better solution.
> > 
> > MaryChristine wrote: 
> > glenda, dear, exactly who and what gives you
> > permission to post things that are supposedly
> > private communications to me? 
> > 
> > 
> > On Dec 12, 2007 11:47 AM, glenda Goodman <
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ---
> > >
> > > From: Sheila Smith 
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:28 PM
> > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] '
> > > Subject: Fwd: Kelly Saveika hearing..
> > >
> > > I just saw this post. Oh well, I am going to let
> > > it slide b/c I have bigger fish to fry, but...
> you
> > > are very good at cut and paste. I mean you
> > managed 
> > > the gist of it ok.. I AM watching you. Remember
> > ARC
> > > in Midlothian, Tx and the hundreds of cats that
> > > suffered and died in the name of "rescue"? Years
> > of
> > > being tied up in court and $40K later, but it
> was 
> > > the best money I ever spent b/c it was FOR the
> > > animals.
> > >
> > > I thought if there are still any open minded
> > > people still left on this list you would like to
> > > know the disposition of some of the fifteen cats
> > we 
> > > rescued.
> > > Five have been adopted including one
> > (Cinderella)
> > > I adopted myself and two that were adopted by
> > Susan,
> > > six are going to barn placement, two will go to
> > > Best Friends, two are still too weak to place
> and 
> > > are recovering from the effects of poor
> nutrition
> > > and dehydration (one of which had to have
> surgery)
> > > according to their veterinarian- although their
> > > prognosis is now good.
> > >
> > > On another note, I really do hope you all do go 
> > > back to the focus of feline leukemia. I think
> thi

Re: Kelly Saveika hearing/Barn home placements

[glenda Goodman]

Hi Susan, 
I do understand about believing some cats deserve to
be socialized...I do know a number of the cats Shelia
took in were FeLV cats and I think some so unsocial
that the city shelter would have put them down.That is
why Susan stepped in... These must have been the ones
that were placed in the barn situation...I think if
you go right to shadowcats or just come over and post
on Michael's list...I'm not trying to steal anyone
from the list they are on, but in my heart and soul,
my interest is the cats and if you have better ideas
for these cats, I'm with you. I trapped a couple
ferals a couple weeks ago , they got spayed /neutered
and I paid out of pocket for their rabies
vaccinations, etc, but was forced to release them
right back to their own environment...did find a lady
willing to feed them, however...I am here in
Nebraska...I'm from your area of California...things
are very backward here for the animals. I will visit
you offlist later. 
Thank you for caring...Glenda
--- Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> One last word on this, for the sake of the cats
> intended for barn home placements.  To whomever is
> on this list and in contact with the people who
> actually have these cats, please have them contact
> me off-list.  I know a lot of people who work with
> feral and undersocialized cats and surely we should
> be able to absorb 6 cats.  Please have the person
> with these cats get in touch with me.  Releasing
> cats who have been raised indoors to some outside
> location is not in the best interests of the cats. 
> We can come up with a much better solution.
> 
> MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> glenda, dear, exactly who and what gives you
> permission to post things that are supposedly
> private communications to me? 
> 
> 
>   On Dec 12, 2007 11:47 AM, glenda Goodman <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   ---
> >
> >   From: Sheila Smith 
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >   Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:28 PM
> >   To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] '
> >   Subject: Fwd: Kelly Saveika hearing..
> >
> >   I just saw this post. Oh well, I am going to let
> > it slide b/c I have bigger fish to fry, but... you
> > are very good at cut and paste.  I  mean you
> managed 
> > the gist of it ok..  I AM watching you. Remember
> ARC
> > in Midlothian, Tx and the hundreds of cats that
> > suffered and died in the name of "rescue"?  Years
> of
> > being tied up in court and $40K later, but it was 
> > the best money I ever spent b/c it was FOR the
> > animals.
> >
> >   I thought if there are still any open minded
> > people still left on this list you would like to
> > know the disposition of some of the fifteen cats
> we 
> > rescued.
> >   Five have been adopted including one
> (Cinderella)
> > I adopted myself and two that were adopted by
> Susan,
> >  six are going to barn placement, two will go to
> > Best Friends, two are still too weak to place and 
> > are recovering from the effects of poor nutrition
> > and dehydration (one of which had to have surgery)
> > according to their veterinarian- although their
> > prognosis is now good.
> >
> >   On another note, I really do hope you all do go 
> > back to the focus of feline leukemia. I think this
> > group must have had great focus at one time- I
> > joined initially b/c I thought it did and b/c I
> felt
> > I had a lot to offer the group b/c of my extensive
> 
> > experience w/ feline leukemia and b/c of my
> husbands
> > participation in national boards. etc.  I was
> > excited to hear from other people across the
> country
> > that had experience with feline leukemia. 
> >   I really do hope the very best for all of you
> and
> > I hope you all do really good things for the
> animals
> > in your care. I hope you all will remember this
> > though. You are the animals advocate. You are not 
> > the caretaker's advocate at the end of the day.
> > While we all wish good things for the caretakers
> and
> > we worry about anyone burning out and we offer
> > mentoring, guidance and help, in the end there are
> 
> > multiple resources for people. There are nurses,
> > doctors, mental health experts, counseling. you
> name
> > it. BUT.. For the animals they abused, there is
> only
> > YOU.
> >
> >   You are bound to speak for THEM- the dead cats
> in 
> > the closets- no one else will.
> >
> >   Best,
> >
> >   Sheila Smith
> >   www.shadowcats.net
> >   Austin, Tx
> >
> >
> 

Re: Kelly Saveika hearing... I agree, this OT topic should be closed !!

[glenda Goodman]

Shelia Smith is very involved with FeLV+ cats. She and
her husband, Dr. Smith, an Austin,Texas Veterinarian,
have adopted many, I'd guess, dozens of FeLV+ cats
that would have otherwise been destroyed.. They spend
thousands $$ of their own money  supporting these
cats...I can only imagine, they devote countless hours
of personal time to  research and trying, all means
possible, keeping the cats in their care healthy ann
extending the lives of these cats.  For anyone
interested in picking Shelia's brain, just visit that
'other list' where some of us, actually do work on the
FeLV issues...
We have never had a blowup on that list.I think we
have 33 members now...so no blow ups is pretty
impressive...I'm sure, besides the fact, we all like
each other and respect each other's views, we will
never have a problem there, because Michael, the list
owner, is so on top of things , We may disagree,
perhaps, somewhere on something some day, but nobody
would ever be personally attacked. If people might
possibly have a personal disagreement they can visit
offlist...Which reminds me, even when Shelia came down
hard on , everyone knows who. That was a private
letter sent from Shelia to that person...It was
'publically posted' on this list by someone else...It
was originally sent offlist...That was so not
cool...As for how anything Shelia does or says relates
to FeLV, just click open her Shadowcat website and go
from there...Everyone who is so quick to point fingers
and spout off, without checking out the facts, needs
to step back and realize Shelia is down there in
Austin working her butt off, every day for, all the
cats...  I think it is a shame Shelia is so unwelcome
on your list, because she is a jewel to have around
when we have questions about FeLV She is up to date 
on the latest information and research related to FeLV
issues...Wouldn't it be really wonderful if , like
Shelia mentioned, in her letter, if people could just
move on? I do think this wound did need to be opened a
little again, just so it can be drained and heal...It
is for the cats people...Michael said long ago, when
he was helping on both lists, that everyone is welcome
on the list he created and even suggested it could be
a positive thing for everyone to feel free to travel
between lists, in search of the best information for
our cats...Nobody should be banned from either list,
nobody..., especially if they are an especially
valuable source of information for the majority of
people who are on both of these lists  seeking the
best information possible for their kitties. 
I am really sorry for people like unusually unique,
obviously a very sweet person, who has been disgusted
by all the unncessary pettiness between these two
lists...
I'm off to clean litterboxes...
Glenda
  
--- Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I agree.  Glenda, this is so inappropriate for this
> list.  This is an  
> inflammatory issue that does *not* belong on our
> FELVtalk list,
> 
> I think everyone else understands this.  This is a
> Feline Leukemia  
> list, and that's a very clear boundary.
> 
> I think FELVtalk has always been lenient about OT
> topics, which is  
> great, but you're not even masking it as OT.
> The problem is it's a disagreement between folks,
> and can only serve  
> to alienate folks and create hostility on this list,
> and we need the list for FELV topics that are going
> to help FELV cats  
> and their people.
> 
> If we can't understand this voluntarily, let's get
> James, the  
> moderator, involved.
> 
> Gloria
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 12, 2007, at 11:28 AM, Susan Hoffman wrote:
> 
> > The way to cool it down is to tell people the
> topic is closed, place  
> > anyone who doesn't understand "closed" on
> moderated status, and  
> > delete posts on the topic.  Unfortunately this
> sort of nastiness is  
> > why groups need moderators.  Sometimes things get
> out of hand and  
> > someone has to step in and take charge of the
> situation.
> >
> > Lance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > James wouldn't be the first moderator to do that.
> Michael has tried to
> > cool it down on one of the
> > Yahoo! lists, but apparently a few people have an
> overwhelming
> > compulsion to keep this going.
> > I'd say that's a pretty sad situation as well,
> considering that they
> > obviously have lots of energy,
> > and they could take that and devote it all to
> taking care of cats
> > instead siphoning off some to
> > beat dead horses. That's how it goes, I guess.
> >
> > Lance
> >
> > On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:09:19 -0800 (PST), "Susan
> Hoffman"
> > said:
> > > And why is it on this list?

the good news...

[glenda Goodman]

Hi guys,
 I do not come over here very often, but because, I do
miss a few, very special people here and still have my
FeLV+ little girl, I need to receive all the
information possible about this awful disease...I
also, by the way, have six negative kitties, so am
very grateful for all and any helpful information that
makes me a better cat-lady. 
Sheila wanted you guys to at least know some good,
that has happened for the cats down in Austin. She was
angry, of course, being right there in Austin, dealing
with the situation...I hope people will find it in
their hearts to forgive her?  Those of us who 'live'
on the 'other list' are hoping things will eventually
mend between our two lists, for the sake of all our
innocent, beautiful and suffering cats... 
I posted Sheila's letter to you guys, in its  complete
form, not butchered...I don't even know how to cut and
paste...
Sheila Smith was hoping to get this posted directly,
through active members on your list, but had to ask
me. 
I really hope I do not upset anyone by relaying this
'good news'. I would like to think, that this list,
like the list, I am active on, puts the welfare of
cats/all animals first...
I hope I am not going to be judged as a 'trouble
maker' ? I am not. I am just another person out there
who loves cats and who is trying to cope with this
heartbreaking disease. 
I do have to add one last comment:
 Isn't it wonderful, that at least this handful of
kitties, from this tragedy, are actually safe, loved
and being accounted for? As far as those that ended up
at the public shelter in Austin I have not
heard...sorry... Thank you for taking the time to read
our posts...
Best to everyone, Glenda 


  

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Fwd: Fw: Kelly Saveika hearing..........

[glenda Goodman]

---
> 
>   From: Sheila Smith
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>   Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:28 PM
>   To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
>   Subject: Fwd: Kelly Saveika hearing..
>
>   I just saw this post. Oh well, I am going to let
> it slide b/c I have bigger fish to fry, but... you
> are very good at cut and paste.  I  mean you managed
> the gist of it ok..  I AM watching you. Remember ARC
> in Midlothian, Tx and the hundreds of cats that
> suffered and died in the name of "rescue"?  Years of
> being tied up in court and $40K later, but it was
> the best money I ever spent b/c it was FOR the
> animals.
>
>   I thought if there are still any open minded
> people still left on this list you would like to
> know the disposition of some of the fifteen cats we
> rescued.
>   Five have been adopted including one (Cinderella)
> I adopted myself and two that were adopted by Susan,
>  six are going to barn placement, two will go to
> Best Friends, two are still too weak to place and
> are recovering from the effects of poor nutrition
> and dehydration (one of which had to have surgery)
> according to their veterinarian- although their
> prognosis is now good.  
> 
>   On another note, I really do hope you all do go
> back to the focus of feline leukemia. I think this
> group must have had great focus at one time- I
> joined initially b/c I thought it did and b/c I felt
> I had a lot to offer the group b/c of my extensive
> experience w/ feline leukemia and b/c of my husbands
> participation in national boards. etc.  I was
> excited to hear from other people across the country
> that had experience with feline leukemia.
>   I really do hope the very best for all of you and
> I hope you all do really good things for the animals
> in your care. I hope you all will remember this
> though. You are the animals advocate. You are not
> the caretaker's advocate at the end of the day.
> While we all wish good things for the caretakers and
> we worry about anyone burning out and we offer
> mentoring, guidance and help, in the end there are
> multiple resources for people. There are nurses,
> doctors, mental health experts, counseling. you name
> it. BUT.. For the animals they abused, there is only
> YOU.
>
>   You are bound to speak for THEM- the dead cats in
> the closets- no one else will.
> 
>   Best,
> 
>   Sheila Smith
>   www.shadowcats.net
>   Austin, Tx
>
> 
> 



  

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Re: Julie has crossed over the Rainbow Bridge

[glenda Goodman]

Wendy, 
I'm so sorry for your loss. Julie had to have been a
wonderful , beautiful kitty and very blessed to have
you and your family as her family. I do still read the
posts from your list. As soon as the news gets over to
your friends on the 'other list' do not be surprised
if you hear from some of those guys too...
Love, Glenda  
--- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>  
> It is with sadness I tell you that Julie's doctor
> and I helped Julie cross over the Rainbow Bridge
> yesterday afternoon.  She was purring and happy when
> it happened and she passed peacefully.  She was my
> beautiful 18.5 year old Maine Coon who lived a
> charmed life and was spoiled to no end.  She was a
> very, very sweet kitty and was never aggressive to
> anyone or to any fellow animal ever.  Her little
> body had just had it from the hyperT and CRF, and
> after this last week, I knew it was time.  It was
> such a difficult decision to make though.  Part of
> me felt like it was not my place to make that
> decision; after all I did not create her life.  The
> other part knew that I could never let her suffer
> the way my Cricket did when he died from
> FeLV-related anemia.  I knew it would be a matter of
> days for her and I wanted her to pass without
> suffering.  I took off work to spend the day with
> her and she had a great day, even being as weak as
> she was.  She enjoyed being
>  outside in the sun; it was a beautiful day.  I just
> want to thank everyone here for your help and
> encouragment with all my kitties and for being such
> great listeners.  You all are wonderful people.
>  
> Sincerely,
> Wendy
> 
> 
>  
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Re: Brian Please add him to the CLS :(

[glenda Goodman]

Sherry,
 I'm so sorry Brian is gone. I remember his sweet
face...You are a blessing to all the kitties you help
and love. Thank you for everything you do. I still get
the posts from the original list...I'm not back ,but
it is not possible for me to completely close off. So
many wonderful people on both lists... Responding to
two lists is very time consuming... However,  I just
want to tell you, my heart hurts for every kitty lost
and for those everywhere who love them...Glenda
--- Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am sad to say that we lost sweet Brian today.His
> otitis caused  severe neurological conditions.I just
> saw him last Thursday and he seemed to be doing so
> good.But he took a turn for the worse.I am so
> grateful that I got one more chance to give him love
> one more time.I will miss his beautiful soul.
>   Sherry
> 
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Re: Whitey

[glenda Goodman]

Michael, 
First I have to tell you, I love the pictures! 
You can tell he feels safe , loved and secure...maybe,
for the first time in his life? I think it is
wonderful that you and Jeff are helping him...I'm
sorry , but when I see any animal, obviously neglected
or in a dangerous situation, I consider the animal
first and never the people who OWN the animal.
Remember when Caroline was going through her thing,
trying to figure out how to resolve her issue about
the "lost" cat she found with the tags...that had the
collar so tight around her neck and was so skinny and
ratty? Well, she was trying to find the OWNER, but
scared to give the cat over...It ended up being an
amazing story, with a good ending , I hope??? I was
all for Caroline just keeping the cat and I guess that
was the wrong answer for that case, but if you
actually do feel this cat has a home and is so
neglected...oh well...I am always for the welfare of
the animal...You guys have to be the best thing that
ever happened to this cat... 
Feeling as you do, if I were you, I might go meet the
people and have a talk with them...You can just say
the cat kind of adopted you and Jeff and this is what
you have done for the cat and discoverd about their
cat... Nine chances out of ten they will be happy
someone is doing all this...and you will then be able
to do this in the open...It is a wonder Whitey is
negative for diseases...maybe he was never even
vaccinated and obviously is wandering around...I think
everyone that knows cats knows that cats are always
looking for that better home or that extra home...My
neighbor's cat likes to hang at my house and my cat
Bruno is crazy about my friend Beth's down the
street...He eats and naps there, in the day and gets
praise when he catches moles in her yard, they let
Bruno keep what he catces...I rescue the moles and
release...Bruno spends his day at Beth's and is home
to eat dinner and sleep in my house at night...Bruno
is a survivor...came from Maui Hawaii where he used to
hustle the workers, men, at a sugar factory at lunch
hour for handouts...ended up at the Maui Humane
Society...carefully delivered by a worker, who later
called to say what a great cat he was and to please
find him a good home...I'm knowing some cats are
better at hustling than others. Whitey might be such a
cat...My friend Beth and her family are justs crazy
about Bruno, especially her elderly father...Bruno is
particularly fond of men...I always figured it was
because of all those lunch hours at the sugar
factory...Between lunch handouts, Bruno hunted
rats...The bigger the rats the better...always left
rat heads everywhere...Maui has zillions of
rats...Where I lived we had over fifty avocado trees,
lots of rats...I just am giving you a case study of my
little survivor...thinking Whitey has picked you now
for his life, because you are what he needs...As far
as mixing your positives with Whitey...I just do not
know what to say...I know you have vaccinated
him...and being older he may be pretty immune to all
the diseases out there ...One reason I mentioned maybe
talking to the people you believe own Whitey is to
gather history on Whitey and maybe just see if they
would be able to offer him a little better attention
at their house while he is with them...especially,
since they will be  aware someone is noticing...If you
had a situation where everyone was negative at your
house I would not even sweat it...I'd just take Whitey
in...end of story...I do see where you are a bit stuck
here, thinking about mixing your guys...You are the
best...You and Jeff...Others will weigh in and
probably say, since Whitey is already pretty old, just
let them mix and give him tons of love. From what you
have done for Whitey, so far, you guys have already
saved his life once...no kidding...Best wishes ,
Glenda and family 
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 
> 
> 
>  
> View full size
> 
> ??? 
> 
> 
>  
> View full size
> 
> 
> 
> For those of you without the history, Whitey came to
> me about six months ago relatively permanently.? She
> showed up and just sort of stayed.? When she came,
> she was boney (You could feel its ribs) and her long
> white fur was literally in huge mats all over her
> body. After months of feeding and brushing, I got
> her fur cleaned up and she put on a few pounds.?
> Last night I went? to feed her and found her so
> disoriented she couldn't even stand up, so Jeff took
> her to the vet this morning, and this is where the
> story picks up...
> 
> Ok, guys.? Jeff just got back from the vet with
> Whitey.? Here's what we learned.
> (Pictures Attached.)
> 
> ?
> 
> "She" is a "He"? LOL
> 
> ?
> 
> He is about 10-12 years old.
> 
> ?
> 
> He has not been neutered. :(
> 
> ?
> 
> He has a severe inner-ear infection.
> 
> ?
> 
> He has a grade 3 heart murmur
> 
> ?
> 
> He has advanced/severe gingivitis.? Needs several
> teeth pulled.
> 
> ?
> 
> FeLV/FIV NEGATIVE. (Thank God for something!)
> 
> ?
> 
> He also has hyperthyroidism.? They found a be

Fwd: Re: offlist

[glenda Goodman]

--- glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:48:39 -0700 (PDT)
> From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: offlist
> To: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Well, Tonya,
>  I guess I have been put in my place? ( I have been
> judged by the best.) I humbly apologize to all here
> and elsewhere, whom I have upset with my opinions,
> and
> infuriated with my stupidity. Having been so
> enlightened by your revelations here,  think it
> best,
> I exit this list. I certainly, being of "grade 1"
> like
> Susan, could not possible contribute anything to
> this
> list anyway.  Between you and I Tonya, that is the
> best compliment I have had for a long time,
> classified
> in Susan's league...whew!
>  Eventually, this list will be of one opinion and
> all
> will be able to get along ,because more than likely,
> there will only be one or two left to share
> information, give support, and so on. 
> Peace, love and joy to all, 
> Glenda in Nebraska 
> --- catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Susan is in grade 1 with you.  You are both new to
> > the list and posting your ideas as gospel when
> > others of us have been dealing with felv for
> YEARS. 
> > It is very disruptive to the list.  And I hate to
> > say this because I see how what happened with your
> > trapped cat being killed happened.  But a lot of
> > people left the list because of you taking that
> cat
> > to animal control where it was put down.  People
> who
> > have been doing this for YEARS know you do NOT
> take
> > cats to animal shelters unless you WANT them put
> > down.  I defended you as a newbie to people who
> have
> > left the list, but many of them are still upset
> > about what happened.  They are upset that you
> didn't
> > know better.  When you sound off so harshly to
> > Sherry and others acting as an 'expert' it doesn't
> > help.
> >   tonya
> >   t
> > 
> > glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >   So many of the people here put their heart and
> > soul
> > and every spare minute possible into helping and
> > learning about cats/animals. 
> > There are certain basic rules of common sense that
> > even I have learned in the last few months when it
> > comes to dealing with these two diseases: FeLV and
> > FIV. 
> > There are people here that have taught me a lot
> and
> > who I depend on to answer questions that I might
> > have
> > or that might come up. There are people here with
> > wonderful hearts that are just here learning the
> > basics. I sincerely care for them all. We should
> > NEVER
> > attack each other. WE ARE ALL ONE.
> > If I were to tell you what grade I am in, as in, 
> > elementary school, as compared to Susan, for
> > example,
> > I'd say I'm a mere first grader and I'd imagine
> > Susan
> > might be in high school... light years ahead of
> me,
> > but here, we shall call it high school compared to
> > first grade... high school for knowledge in the
> > diseases we are dealing with and high school for
> > experience dealing with animal rescues and
> shelters 
> > and the different ways of how they do what they
> do.
> > I
> > completely respect Susan's take on things and I
> > trust
> > her experience, admire her spirit...she says it
> like
> > it is. I flower things up , but it is all the
> > same...no matter how it is said. 
> > It is important to remember, IT IS ALL FOR THE
> > ANIMALS. WE ARE SECONDARY.
> > If we could sit, as like on a Board of Directors
> > meeting, we could discuss what would be best for
> the
> > animals and maybe compromise somehow and attempt
> to
> > see each other's points. 
> > I have tried to keep myself in check, but it has
> > been
> > difficult when I am seeing everything I have so
> far
> > learned here, being turned upside down by this
> > rescue/shelter or that? I have so far dealt with a
> > shelter that sent me a FeLV+ cat and butted heads
> > with
> > a shelter in Wisconsin with the everyone must be
> > declawed thing going on... Right now the shelter
> of
> > discussion is where Sherry gives her heart and
> soul.
> > I
> > try so hard to see all sides, but there are times
> I
> > just cannot and if you were to ask me, if after I
> > had
> > just won $300 million in the lottery, who I would
> > want to organize and run my, big fancy shelter. IT
> 

Fwd: Re: Here is the link

[glenda Goodman]

--- glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:38:46 -0700 (PDT)
> From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Here is the link 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> 
> Tonya,
>  I'm going to answer you directly on this, since you
> addressed me personally. Ok ,this is the deal: I'm
> new
> here, I have picked up the basics and I have learned
> them well. I am not a gambler. Maybe that is the
> core
> difference between those of us not willing to risk
> mixing our FeLV+ guys with our FIV+ guys. I was
> incredibly touched by Sherry's love and enthusiasim
> for her most adored little kitty Mystique. My heart
> just goes out to Sherry so much. I cry almost always
> when I read about these kitties dying and I just
> want
> to give all you guys a big hug when one of you is
> hurting. 
> When I was told Mystique was only FIV+ I felt so
> happy
> and hopeful. When I was told she was mixing freely
> with FeLV+ kitties everyday, swapping saliva, etc. I
> panicked. Remember, I AM NOT A GAMBLER. 
> I told Sherry my feelings, as gently as possible. I
> have so far in the short time I have been on this
> list, been told over and over again, that the FeLV
> vaccine is only 75% -90% effective...It used to be
> only 75%-85%, but there is talk, now, that there has
> been a slight improvement. My personal vets also
> tell
> me these #'s , so at least I feel I am as informed
> as
> anyone here. 
> As for FIV+ kitties, I have researched thir disease
> too. I worked hard a couple months back to convince
> a
> couple people here, in my town, not to put their
> FIV+
> kittens to sleep over this disease. I researched and
> studied for several days to learn all I could to
> back
> my argument. I learned #1 : that their immune system
> is compromised. I learned#2: that this disease is
> much
> easier to deal with than FeLV. I learned often
> kittens
> can throw this disease, if say, contracted through
> the
> mother. This disease is a piece of cake, compared to
> Felv. I also learned it is possible for a non-
> gambler
> like myself, to mix an FIV+ kitty with my disease
> free
> guys as long as the FIV+ guy does not tend to fight
> and bite...I also learned FIV+ guys can have a
> longer
> natural life than Felv+guys...
> Everyone, who has been here a while, has to know
> these
> same things ,but some here are willing to GAMBLE and
> some are NOT. 
> I do not feel I can afford to risk any cat's life
> that
> is in my care by mixing a FeLV+ with my healthy
> group
> and if I happened to have an FIV+ kitty I would be
> even more paranoid to mix with a FelV+ kitty. 
> If there is anyone here, that can tell me some
> SCIENTIFIC REASON, I am wrong in my opinion, PLEASE
> come back to me . I came here to learn. I appreciate
> the stories of how this person or that ,might have
> had
> a disease free cat live 20+ years among FeLV+
> kitties
> and never contract the disease. This is where I get
> my
> hope. This makes me feel so happy, gives me
> strength...These stories are almost as helpful to my
> spirit as the actual scientific information I get
> here
> is  helpful to my mind. I also, love just the
> emotional support here. I think these three things
> is
> what keeps most of us here? 
> A sibling of mine, is a veterinarin. While
> researching
> which university to go to, came up with the opinion
> the three best schools in the country for veterinary
> medicine were as follows,  University of Colorado,
> in
> Fort Collins, The University of California in Napa,
> and lastly,the the University right down there in
> Austin, Texas where Susan is. All very renowed in
> the
> world of veterinary medicine...I just realized that
> last night after reeling from something I read
> hateful
> here...
> Nobody here is without a clue and nobody here is
> stupid . I never heard anything of the sort said,
> until yesterday. UGH!
> All I can say is GOD BLESS everyone of you loving,
> dear people and let's all try to get along, learn
> from
> each other and appreciate our differences. The
> reason
> we are here, is for our cats first. We just all want
> to do what is right for them...Too bad people have
> to
> be so jacked up...oh well, ENOUGH ! Have a good day!
> 
> --- catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Glenda,
> >
> >   In my approximately 10 years on this list I have
> > never heard of a cat with fiv 'catching' felv from
> a
> > mixed situation.  Now cats do test initially
> > sometimes for both.  But I have had fiv cats mixed
> > with felv with no p

Re: Here is the link

[glenda Goodman]

Tonya,
 I'm going to answer you directly on this, since you
addressed me personally. Ok ,this is the deal: I'm new
here, I have picked up the basics and I have learned
them well. I am not a gambler. Maybe that is the core
difference between those of us not willing to risk
mixing our FeLV+ guys with our FIV+ guys. I was
incredibly touched by Sherry's love and enthusiasim
for her most adored little kitty Mystique. My heart
just goes out to Sherry so much. I cry almost always
when I read about these kitties dying and I just want
to give all you guys a big hug when one of you is
hurting. 
When I was told Mystique was only FIV+ I felt so happy
and hopeful. When I was told she was mixing freely
with FeLV+ kitties everyday, swapping saliva, etc. I
panicked. Remember, I AM NOT A GAMBLER. 
I told Sherry my feelings, as gently as possible. I
have so far in the short time I have been on this
list, been told over and over again, that the FeLV
vaccine is only 75% -90% effective...It used to be
only 75%-85%, but there is talk, now, that there has
been a slight improvement. My personal vets also tell
me these #'s , so at least I feel I am as informed as
anyone here. 
As for FIV+ kitties, I have researched thir disease
too. I worked hard a couple months back to convince a
couple people here, in my town, not to put their FIV+
kittens to sleep over this disease. I researched and
studied for several days to learn all I could to back
my argument. I learned #1 : that their immune system
is compromised. I learned#2: that this disease is much
easier to deal with than FeLV. I learned often kittens
can throw this disease, if say, contracted through the
mother. This disease is a piece of cake, compared to
Felv. I also learned it is possible for a non- gambler
like myself, to mix an FIV+ kitty with my disease free
guys as long as the FIV+ guy does not tend to fight
and bite...I also learned FIV+ guys can have a longer
natural life than Felv+guys...
Everyone, who has been here a while, has to know these
same things ,but some here are willing to GAMBLE and
some are NOT. 
I do not feel I can afford to risk any cat's life that
is in my care by mixing a FeLV+ with my healthy group
and if I happened to have an FIV+ kitty I would be
even more paranoid to mix with a FelV+ kitty. 
If there is anyone here, that can tell me some
SCIENTIFIC REASON, I am wrong in my opinion, PLEASE
come back to me . I came here to learn. I appreciate
the stories of how this person or that ,might have had
a disease free cat live 20+ years among FeLV+ kitties
and never contract the disease. This is where I get my
hope. This makes me feel so happy, gives me
strength...These stories are almost as helpful to my
spirit as the actual scientific information I get here
is  helpful to my mind. I also, love just the
emotional support here. I think these three things is
what keeps most of us here? 
A sibling of mine, is a veterinarin. While researching
which university to go to, came up with the opinion
the three best schools in the country for veterinary
medicine were as follows,  University of Colorado, in
Fort Collins, The University of California in Napa,
and lastly,the the University right down there in
Austin, Texas where Susan is. All very renowed in the
world of veterinary medicine...I just realized that
last night after reeling from something I read hateful
here...
Nobody here is without a clue and nobody here is
stupid . I never heard anything of the sort said,
until yesterday. UGH!
All I can say is GOD BLESS everyone of you loving,
dear people and let's all try to get along, learn from
each other and appreciate our differences. The reason
we are here, is for our cats first. We just all want
to do what is right for them...Too bad people have to
be so jacked up...oh well, ENOUGH ! Have a good day!

--- catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Glenda,
>
>   In my approximately 10 years on this list I have
> never heard of a cat with fiv 'catching' felv from a
> mixed situation.  Now cats do test initially
> sometimes for both.  But I have had fiv cats mixed
> with felv with no problem.
>
>   It's not a perfect world, and Sherry and Crash's
> Landing do so much good that I think you should calm
> down on the heavy judgements.
>
>   Those who have been on this list for a long time,
> and many who have left, have already had this
> discussion with Sherry.  People agree and disagree. 
> But I don't think anyone feels that Dr. Jen is doing
> a wonderful thing trying to save as many of these
> cats as she can.
>    
>   And Sherry, who also deals with each loss, doesn't
> need such negative feedback.
>   tonya
> 
> glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Sherry, 
> She is absolutely beautiful. I have to tell you,
> when
> I realized the thinking behind how your shelter,
> where
> you volunte

...emotionally charged issues...are rough...

[glenda Goodman]

So many of the people here put their heart and soul
and every spare minute possible into helping and
learning about cats/animals. 
There are certain basic rules of common sense that
even I have learned in the last few months when it
comes to dealing with these two diseases: FeLV and
FIV.  
There are people here that have taught me a lot and
who I depend on to answer questions that I might have
or that might come up. There are people here with
wonderful hearts that are just here learning the
basics. I sincerely care for them all. We should NEVER
attack each other. WE ARE ALL ONE.
If I were to tell you what grade I am in, as in, 
elementary school, as compared to Susan, for example,
I'd say I'm a mere first grader and I'd imagine Susan
might be in  high school... light years ahead of me,
but here, we shall call it high school compared to
first grade... high school for knowledge in the
diseases we are dealing with and high school for
experience dealing with animal rescues and shelters 
and the different ways of how they do what they do. I
completely respect Susan's take on things and I trust
her experience, admire her spirit...she says it like
it is. I flower things up , but it is all the
same...no matter how it is said. 
 It is important to remember,  IT IS ALL FOR THE
ANIMALS. WE ARE SECONDARY.
 If we could sit, as like on a Board of Directors
meeting, we could discuss what would be best for the
animals and maybe compromise somehow and attempt to
see each other's points. 
I  have tried to keep myself in check, but it has been
difficult when I am seeing everything I have so far
learned here, being turned upside down by this
rescue/shelter or that? I have so far dealt with a
shelter that sent me a FeLV+ cat and butted heads with
a shelter in Wisconsin with the everyone must be
declawed thing going on... Right now the shelter of
discussion is where Sherry gives her heart and soul. I
try so hard to see all sides, but there are times I
just cannot and if you were to ask me, if after I had
just won $300 million in the lottery, who I  would
want to organize and run my, big fancy  shelter. IT
WOULD HAVE TO BE SUSAN. 
That is all folks! 
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Re: Here is the link

[glenda Goodman]

Sherry, 
She is absolutely beautiful. I have to tell you, when
I realized the thinking behind how your shelter, where
you volunteer, with the declawing policy and reading
about the section for the special needs kitties I
thought I would ask if the FIV+ kitties were mixed
with the FeLV+ kitties.  I do not think I am
surprised...
Sherry I am trying to control my emotions ,but I have
to tell you I am scared to death for these two groups
of cats. I am believing/hoping your girl Mystique is
vaccinated...that could help, but she is at terrible
risk. Her immune system is already compromised by the
FIV. I cannot implore you strongly enough to please
get her out of Crash'slanding ASAP! 
You have been lucky with your FIV kitties and
especially with your kitty who threw the FIV. When I
read about the beautiful Mystique, I felt relieved
that she was only FIV+. I felt you would have good
luck with her and she might live a pretty normal life.
The fact she is in a situation where she can contract
the FeLV virus any day now, is making me a little
crazy...I worry about her and everyone else in that
environment...and what about the kitties that might
possibly be able one day, to throw one of the viruses
or the other? What chance do any of them really
have...They are at huge risk of getting THE OTHER
virus. There has to be a way to seperate the two
groups. FIV+ kitties have such a better chance , but
here they are almost certainly, over time going to
become FeLV+ too. 
You need to get Mystique out of there. You should have
her tested for both FIV and FeLV, just so you know,
what you will be dealing with. Then have her tested
again in 4-6 months. If she is FeLV- you are both
blessed. If I were you, I'd want to know, for myself,
if she is really FIV+. 
Crash'slanding comes across beautifully on it's intro
page and it is set up well to navigate through. The
kitties are beautiful. Their stories are well written
and touching. This is a nokill shelter, right? The way
it appears to me, is a showplace type of place, that
collects cats,  donations ,but seriously needs to
become a bit more cat- friendly...Besides taking in
these cats, are they really doing what is best for
each cat?  If they cannot seperate the FIV+ cats from
the FeLV+ cats they should only be dealing with cats
with one disease or the other  disease and let another
shelter deal with the other... 
Do they get a lot of volunteers as sweet as you? Well,
they are lucky if they do. Nobody is driving a
cadillac are they...bad joke, sorry. 
I have one FeLV+ cat in my household of 7-cats. All my
cats are vaccinated. Yet I am very, very careful my
negatives do not come into contact with my one
positive, little girl. If I found out I had a FIV+ cat
in my household I would possibly allow him to continue
as always with his brothers, but if anyone were to
turn up FeLV+ it is quarantine time. FIV is a far
easier disease to deal with.  
I'm in the process of having all my guys tested again,
because my guys do get outside at times, supervised,
as they are and as confident as I am they have not run
into any positive, strange kitties out there, I still
believe in knowing their health status every year or
so...This, because I do not believe in putting any of
my kitties in harm's way. If I were perfect, they
would never get outside, at ever, but I love for them
to have fun in the yard...I get weak when they beg...I
am a bad mommy for that, but I take that risk for the,
quality of life, argument...
Well, I have done enough damage for one day...Sherry,
thank you. And please do not hate me, because ...I do
not trust people...
Love and best wishes from Nebraska, 
Glenda
--- Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Glenda,isn't she georgeous!!! :) We do not
> separate the felv and the fiv.I wish we had the
> space to do so.Until I become one of those crazy cat
> ladies that win the lottery it will have to do!! :)
> I myself have 3 fiv+ boys and one boy that tested
> felv+ when he first arrived to Sids and then 1 1/2
> years later tested negative for anything.Then I
> brought Genevieve home back in April,she was felv+.I
> risked it because my heart told me to bring that
> baby girl home to love her as much as possible.AND I
> DID!! I am getting choked up just writing about
> her.It will be 4 weeks tomorrow since she left us.
> :(
>   You did not offend me in anyway,I just get a  bit
> uneasy when it comes to that subject.
>   Thank you for checking out the fur kids.
>   Sherry and her fur baby boys 
> Rafferty,CousCous,Xander and Tristan
> 
> glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Sherry,
> I just clicked Mystique. My computer got stuck
> earlier...Anyway , she seems like an excellent
> little
> girl to have in your home...She will take your pain
> away and fill your heart. I see that she is FIV, but
> not FeLV+. Does Crash'slanding seperate their

Re: Here is the link

[glenda Goodman]

Sherry,
 I just clicked Mystique. My computer got stuck
earlier...Anyway , she seems like an excellent little
girl to have in your home...She will take your pain
away and fill your heart. I see that she is FIV, but
not FeLV+. Does Crash'slanding seperate their FIV+
kitties from their FeLV+
 kitties ?  Taking care of her should be very easy and
rewarding...She could have a long life with you. 
 As for this organization, I will say, their layout
and every cat is beautiful. My heart  is just
stretching out of my chest for them. Bless your heart,
Sherry, for all you do. I am very sorry I get a little
up in the air over certain issues.  Please believe me,
I never mean to hurt anyone's feelings or make anyone
uncomfortable...YOU are an angel...  I know we all do
the best we can with what we can and we all feel the
same things, love, compassion, tenderness for these
guys in need.
 "The more need they have, the more we feel." 
I do love the people here too, because they are just
so special. I should be so good as to be doing what
you do. 
 Love from Nebraska,   Glenda
--- Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Glenda thank you for checking out Crashs.I first
> of all want to say that I too am not one for
> declawing!! As some of our rescue cats do come in
> already declawed and yes they are declawed if they
> are not too old.As much as I hate to say it,people
> (unlike you and I) would prefer to adopt cats
> already declawed. :( Also think about over 100 cats
> living under the same roof.Most get along but there
> could be many bad wounds from fights. Like I said I
> believe as does Jen the lady that runs the places
> that ALOT of cats are discarded out into the streets
> because they claw the furniture and etc. And they
> don't take the time to try and train them to do
> differently.I clip all my cats claws myself.I
> personally don't like it.But I can't tell her how to
> run her shelter :(  I respect ALL that Jen does for
> the over 200 cats that she takes in and can't say
> anything bad about what she does.I am sorry if it
> hurts you and I respect your opinion.Thanks for your
> good wishes on our sweet
>  Brian.Oh,also all 4 of my boys came from Sids and
> they are beautiful and healthy!!! If you go back and
> look up Mystique at Sids,she is probably my next
> baby to bring home since I lost my beautiful
> Genevieve.Also in the tabbies at Crashs check out
> Honeysuckle.I rescued her and her 5 kittens from my
> backyard.My boyfriend has the kittens at his
> house,we are trying to get homes for them.
>   Sherry
> 
> glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Sherry,
> I clicked your site. I found Brian in the Sids
> Sanctuary. What a little angel. I see he started out
> with ear mites, so he is apparently just having a
> terrible time getting his ears cleared up,
> infections,etc.
> After reading the introduction to Crashlanding, of
> course it was so beautiful, it made me cry...I went
> next to Tabbies, my weakness and clicked on a few of
> your guys there, like Bennie and Brut...love those
> guys...I see Brut is FIV...Well then I realized
> everyone had been declawed , everyone that was not
> FeLV+. My heart just sank! Is that their policy? If
> it
> is my heart is as broken for the guys that are FeLV-
> as for the guys that are FeLV+. 
> Please let me know what is going on there with the
> declawing or please tell me it was a computer
> glitch. 
> Thank you Sherry. I do appreciate seeing where you
> are
> helping our poor little guys and my first impression
> is it is a first rate outfit...I am however, one of
> those people that is every bit as mortified of
> declawing as any cat might be...I hope they can
> someday realize that declawing is not a good thing
> to
> do to a cat...
> God bless little Brian and you too, for all you do. 
> Sincerely, Glenda
> --- Sherry DeHaan wrote:
> 
> >
> http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/crashslanding.html
> > 
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Re: Ok, I give up.

[glenda Goodman]

As for you, Melissa, I saw and admired these guys days
ago. Your picture system works purrfect!  Yes, they
are incredibly cute...I can almost feel their
personalities...It would be so easy to collect a
hundred cats...they are all so cute and
special...Glenda
--- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Melissa,
> 
> Cute, cute, cute!!!
> 
> :)
> Wendy
>  
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
> is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret
> Meade ~~~
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 8:37:09 AM
> Subject: RE: Ok, I give up.
> 
> 
> I use google picasa. It¢s free too.  Here¢s the pics
> of my foster kitties:
>  
>
http://picasaweb.google.com/mzurovsk/Nonie?authkey=58Zh5l6swyU
>  
>
http://picasaweb.google.com/mzurovsk/Ashley?authkey=imb76PXJObI
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 11:17 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: Ok, I give up.
>  
> As a matter of fact, its funny you should send that
> email.  I JUST finished putting them all on Flickr:
>  
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
>  
>  
>  
> I have many many more, actually, and I'll probably
> work on adding some of them slowly.  Flickr only
> allows you 100mb a month :)  I'll let you all know
> when I update them. 
>  
>  
> Michael
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Re: Ok, I give up.

[glenda Goodman]

Michael,
 What great cats and your pictures got through this
time...I can certainly see why you love these guys so
much! Thank you so very much for sharing with us and
for staying with us.  I know you have so much to deal
with and your heart is heavy...Well, here you have a
bunch of us who will be with you every step and we
have to feel you will be with us, through the good and
bad times...Bless your heart...By the way , you
snapped me out of my pissy little mood for a
minute...I have been on a rant over declawing all
day...Thanks, Glenda
--- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Michael,
> 
> Love the pics!  
> 
> :)
> Wendy
> 
>  
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
> is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret
> Meade ~~~
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 11:17:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Ok, I give up.
> 
> 
> As a matter of fact, its funny you should send that
> email.  I JUST finished putting them all on Flickr:
>  
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
>  
>  
>  
> I have many many more, actually, and I'll probably
> work on adding some of them slowly.  Flickr only
> allows you 100mb a month :)  I'll let you all know
> when I update them. 
>  
>  
> Michael
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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OT:declawing your cat is illegal...

[glenda Goodman]

Wow! as usual, us idiots in America are way behind the
rest of the world...
The HORRORS OF DECLAWING ARE WELL REALIZED IN MANY
COUNTIIES AND ILLEGAL IN ROME, FOR EXAMPLE. 
California is the first state to become active against
the sickening practice of declawing. As it now stands,
a law has been passed to make it illegal to declaw
wild and exotic cats in California. Hopefully, it will
soon become illegal to declaw domestic cats as well. I
mean I certainly hope someone is working on this... 
I was telling a friend the other day that the term:
DECLAW is completely misleading...I said, why is it
not called toe amputation? Is there some way a group
of people can petition to have the term DECLAW changed
to : TOE AMPUTATION ? You lawyers out there, please
respond to this question...I really think the
misleading term :DECLAW is used in a criminal way, to
mislead the public and the wording for the cruel
mutilation of feline feet needs to be presented to the
public in a more honest and forthright way. This way
the average person might better realize more what
"declawing really is. IT IS THE ACTUAL REMOVING OF THE
FIRST TOE JOINT. IF A CAT WERE A HUMAN, YOU OR I , IT
WOULD BE OUR FINGERTIPS AT THE FIRST JOINT...
Can anyone imagine the nerve damage alone declawed
cats suffer? I, for example, barely  cut a  ligament
in  one of my index fingers years ago...even went to
"finger therapy" and my finger is still numb, always
will be...
Oh well, we are just talking about cats here, so
whatever we need to do to them, so they can please us
humans, is all that really matters, right?
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Re: Here is the link

[glenda Goodman]

Sherry,
Thank you for getting back to me and everyone else
here...
I have run across that type of thinking before at a
shelter in Wisconsin...I found it on petfinders.com.
It is called: The Home for Endangered and Lost Pets. 
This was during the time I was hunting for
Polydactyls, having a kitty foot fetish, like I do,
was extra horrified. I followed up and complained to
them and directed them to some of the declaw
information sites...I was told they were set on their
beliefs and felt cats were just more adoptable if they
were declawed before being offered for adoption. They
would declaw when the kitty was altered. They were all
excited about the new laser procedure and were led to
believe, by their vet, that it was a kinder way to
perform the operation...The way I understand declawing
it is amputation any way you spell it...The second toe
joint,right ? 
It is not like most uninformed people think, just
removing the toenails...It can cause life long pain,
balance problems, low self esteem and can affect the
leg muscles , because kitties cannot exercise their
legs properly...This is what they are doing when they
scratch posts, etc...not just sharpening their
claws...The leg muscles shrivel up in the legs...AND
kitties feel with their toe tips and experience life
examining items, mice, etc. 
Oh well, Sherry, just had to mention all these things
for those reading this that have not really looked
into the declawing issues...
Now back to your site. It is beautifully done and the
kitties are stunning...wish I had more room and more
money...Someday a cat lady will win a 3-million $
lottery and watch out! WHY CAN'T PEOPLE LIKE THAT WIN
THE BIG BUCKS ?
 Anyway, now, when you mention a kitty's name, some of
us that are new, like me, can go find him... I can
tell, Crash Landing is seriously a loving place with
obviously the best intentions...Maybe as more people
learn what declawing really is more people will not
opt for declawed kitties and be willing to do a couple
simple things to teach their cat where he is able to
exercise his feet and legs and where he cannot and
pick up a scratcher, some catnip and some kitty
repellent spray...? Thank you again for all you do
Sherry and thank you for answering my questions...A
quick thought on the featured kitty with only one eye:
I think she probably would get too close to the edge
of the litter box and having only one eye, would see
things a bit off center. Try closing one of your eyes
and see what I mean...Just a thought...
 Thank you,
Glenda
--- Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Glenda thank you for checking out Crashs.I first
> of all want to say that I too am not one for
> declawing!! As some of our rescue cats do come in
> already declawed and yes they are declawed if they
> are not too old.As much as I hate to say it,people
> (unlike you and I) would prefer to adopt cats
> already declawed. :( Also think about over 100 cats
> living under the same roof.Most get along but there
> could be many bad wounds from fights. Like I said I
> believe as does Jen the lady that runs the places
> that ALOT of cats are discarded out into the streets
> because they claw the furniture and etc. And they
> don't take the time to try and train them to do
> differently.I clip all my cats claws myself.I
> personally don't like it.But I can't tell her how to
> run her shelter :(  I respect ALL that Jen does for
> the over 200 cats that she takes in and can't say
> anything bad about what she does.I am sorry if it
> hurts you and I respect your opinion.Thanks for your
> good wishes on our sweet
>  Brian.Oh,also all 4 of my boys came from Sids and
> they are beautiful and healthy!!! If you go back and
> look up Mystique at Sids,she is probably my next
> baby to bring home since I lost my beautiful
> Genevieve.Also in the tabbies at Crashs check out
> Honeysuckle.I rescued her and her 5 kittens from my
> backyard.My boyfriend has the kittens at his
> house,we are trying to get homes for them.
>   Sherry
> 
> glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Sherry,
> I clicked your site. I found Brian in the Sids
> Sanctuary. What a little angel. I see he started out
> with ear mites, so he is apparently just having a
> terrible time getting his ears cleared up,
> infections,etc.
> After reading the introduction to Crashlanding, of
> course it was so beautiful, it made me cry...I went
> next to Tabbies, my weakness and clicked on a few of
> your guys there, like Bennie and Brut...love those
> guys...I see Brut is FIV...Well then I realized
> everyone had been declawed , everyone that was not
> FeLV+. My heart just sank! Is that their policy? If
> it
> is my heart is as broken for the guys that are FeLV-
> as for the guys that are FeLV+. 
> Please let me know what is going on there with the
> decla

Re: Another one gone

[glenda Goodman]

Tracy,
You are another amazing person out there loving our
cats! I am sorry for your pain and loss. They are
lucky they had you and you them...
Glenda
--- Tracy Weese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> I lost two of my FeLV+ cats in the last month, the
> most recent was today when I put CW down.  She was
> beginning to have difficulty breathing due to severe
> anemia.  I tried a transfusion (only raised the RBC
> from 6% to 10%) and Epogen, but today my vet and
> I could see that she was becoming more and more
> uncomfortable and she was extremely pale, I swore
> that I would not wait until it was too late, I'd
> rather be a day or so too early.  We had a nice
> three weeks, but today, I could tell the light had
> gone out in her eyes.
> 
> Just last month Sylvester died at home and a few
> months before that, another FeLV+ cat, Herbie, had
> to be PTS.
> 
> Funny, I have a negative cat (that is 12) with
> stomach cancer and have been treating him for more
> than 18  months (he probably had it at least a year
> before).  He has not gone into remission, and we
> have done EVERY chemo protocol out there, but it has
> stopped growing and he is like the energizer bunny 
> ...  he keeps going and going and going.  I really
> expected him to go long before the other
> three  regardless, I miss them all.
> 
> 
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Re: Lovey is gone

[glenda Goodman]

Brenda, 
I am so sorry for your loss of Lovey. I think everyone
here knows a cat or has known a cat" with a
personality like no other". Some do stand out and
every one of them is amazing in each his own way. 
I'm sorry you guys lost Perry too. Your week has been
awful. As everyone knows you and your family made life
much kinder to both Lovey and Perry . You can at least
feel good about that. They had to be happy knowing
they were loved. 
Thinking of you...
Glenda
--- Brenda Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello All,
> Thank you for your help the other day.  Lovey was in
> liver and kidney 
> failure.  His liver was 10 times smaller than normal
> and my vet and I 
> both feel it was genetic. He was suffering so I
> didn't hesitate in 
> letting him go. He was a beautiful, wonderful,
> friend with a personality 
> like no other cat I have ever met. I will miss him
> for a long time. 
> 
> It was a tough week, I lost my mom's cat Perry last
> thursday.  He 
> started failing and he went really fast.  We don't
> know what was wrong 
> with him, but the vet was 100% sure there were
> multiple problems.  Perry 
> was a very loving sweet boy, he is also missed. So,
> that was two friends 
> gone in one week.  They were both feline leukemia
> positive.  Belinda, 
> could you add them to the list.  Thank you, Janine
> 
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Re: Here is the link

[glenda Goodman]

Sherry,
 I clicked your site. I found Brian in the Sids
Sanctuary. What a little angel. I see he started out
with ear mites, so he is apparently just having a
terrible time getting his ears cleared up,
infections,etc.
 After reading the introduction to Crashlanding, of
course it was so beautiful, it made me cry...I went
next to Tabbies, my weakness and clicked on a few of
your guys there, like Bennie and Brut...love those
guys...I see Brut is FIV...Well then I realized
everyone had been declawed , everyone that was not
FeLV+. My heart just sank! Is that their policy? If it
is my heart is as broken for the guys that are FeLV-
as for the guys that are FeLV+. 
Please let me know what is going on there with the
declawing or please tell me it was a computer glitch. 
Thank you Sherry. I do appreciate seeing where you are
helping our poor little guys and my first impression
is it is a first rate outfit...I am however, one of
those people that is every bit as mortified of
declawing as any cat might be...I hope they can
someday realize that declawing is not a good thing to
do to a cat...
God bless little Brian and you too, for all you do. 
Sincerely, Glenda
--- Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/crashslanding.html
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Re: Brian

[glenda Goodman]

Sherry, 
You do so much for these little guys. Of course, I and
my guys are sending our love and warmest thoughts to
you and Brian. 
Can you tell me about Sids Kids? Can you also explain
to some of us not familiar with ear problems what is
going on with his ears and what is being done to
Brian? I'm sure others here will have ideas on the ear
infection?  My heart is with you guys. 
 Thank you, Glenda
--- Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Could I get some healing prayers for this sweet
> boy.He is one of our Sids kids.he had to have his
> ears irrigated and is having a hard time recovering
> from his ear infection.Thanks so much.
>   Sherry
> 
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RE: naughty kitty website

[glenda Goodman]

Melissa, 
Pretty funny...It certainly gives us a break from all
the serious matters we discuss almost daily here.
Thank you for entertaining us...
Now I need to go back through it to see what they
really have that a kitty might like...One does kind of
wonder where the original idea to market like this
came from...wonder if it is successful? 
Happy Friday to you too young lady! Have a great
weekend!
 Glenda
--- Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Oops, forgot to post the site!
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.hmb-seattle.com/Pussy.htm
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>   _  
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Melissa Lind
> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 10:15 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: OT: naughty kitty website
> 
>  
> 
> This is a little risqué, but I think it’s funny.
> Some of their products are
> adorable and hilarious! Happy Friday!
> 
>  
> 
> Melissa Lind
> 
>  
> 
> 



   

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Re: Transferring the Virus

[glenda Goodman]

Linda,
 I suppose he is still testing pos. for FeLV ? It
seems like you are taking excellent care of him and
hopefully he will be perfect one day soon. There
should be some really informed people on this list
getting back to you...Thank you for your
story...Glenda
--- linda gata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Glenda:
>   I happen to have a black & white boy, Oreo. When
> he was tested at 8 weeks old he was negative. Then
> 21 days later after his Felv vaccine , Oreo went to
> ER with a fever of 105, letargy, wbc were at 2.5..
> At the clinic they tested him and came back
> positive. I summited another test 4 days later: IFA,
> it came back positive. What I wonder is : is there
> any relation between the FELV vaccine and his
> sickness? Anyhow, he was fine until a few motnhs
> later, and upper respiratory infection, no fever. He
> got treated right away. Now he is clinically fine,
> 18 months old big baby boy. But still his wbc are at
> 3.5 , borderline. He is on Immunoregulin and daily
> he receives 3 capsules of transfer factor plus on
> his wet food. So far he is fine.
>   Maricarmen
> 
> glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Dawn,
> I have to wonder why a cat would test pos. after a
> feline leukemia vaccination? I'm wondering if
> different vets use different vaccines? My vet uses a
> killed virus vaccine. I have had her explain this to
> me a couple times , because I keep doubting a cat
> cannot test pos. after a vaccination...
> Well, she finally said, it is antigens that show up
> in
> a pos. FeLV test not, antibodies...
> I continue to wonder, because I have heard so many
> times from people that believe the vaccination can
> skew the FeLV test? Dawn, was it your vet that gave
> you that information? I know the FIV vaccination
> will
> make a FIV negative cat show pos. on an FIV test.
> That
> is the biggest reason that the FIV vaccine is not
> offered by many clinics...They also say it is really
> not that effective?
> If some of you better informed people want to chime
> in
> I would be grateful, so once and for all we can get
> clear on this...
> Thanks, Glenda
> 
> --- Dawn Morrison wrote:
> 
> > Melissa and everyone,
> > Thanks for your input.
> > I am still highly concerned that my 4 year old
> will
> > test positive since she would immediately eat the
> > wet food that was leftover in the food bowl the
> > FeLV+ ate out of and she was not vaccinated at the
> > time. Only time will tell I guess, it's going to
> be
> > a long couple of months waiting for the retest.
> > 
> > After the vaccination, I understood that they will
> > test positive but not for very long afterwards.
> Our
> > vet suggested having them retested in 6 months,
> she
> > said by then we'll have a better idea if the virus
> > has settled in their system.
> > 
> > Yes, I am the one living near Chicago who is
> looking
> > for a home for Bea. Still looking for a home for
> the
> > little one if anyone knows of someone!!
> > I am just so uncertain of keeping my positive and
> > negatives together, I know no one knows the answer
> > and it truly is a hard decision to make. I have
> > heard pro and cons from both sides. I think my
> > biggest concern is our 4 year old, she likes to
> play
> > bite and Bea still have her claws. 
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Dawn
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
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OT: The March of Dimes...

[glenda Goodman]

Well, they are collecting for The March of Dimes
again...
Yesterday, while I was driving down the road my cell
phone rang and it was an across town neighbor calling
me to see if I would pledge a donation...
I was kind of in a hurry, racing to a job and had just
left a job where my check is being held up...and maybe
this was not the perfect time to call me asking for
money? 
Anyway, I told the person I give to animal and
environmental causes and rattled off a list of names
of organizations like Peta and Sea Shepherd ...Sierra
Club...WWF...etc. (I'm not loaded but I give a dab
here and there...) I also told him, I did not like
giving to the March of Dimes, because I did not like
babies and especially babies with birth defects!  No really, I told him I did not like
the March of Dimes, because they give large amounts of
money to labs that CONDUCT ANIMAL TESTING. 
When I was a kid I remember how cool it was to fill
those sheets with dimes, probably one of the first
organizations to really be successful with getting
volunteers to walk the pavement collecting...
Oh one more thing, the neighbor , upon me rejecting
his request , reminded me he came into this world with
a birth defect...he uses crutches...a good selling
point and certainly a good way to make people feel
guilty for not contributing, but this morning I
googled march of dimes/animal testing. I called him
and left a message to confirm why I refused him and
told him to research his cause a bit...
My son told me my back hurts today, because I'm
evil...maybe he is right? Oh well, just thought I'd
bring this subject up to entertain you guys while I'm
a bit slowed down today with my aching back...
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Re: Transferring the Virus

[glenda Goodman]

Dawn,
I have to wonder why a cat would test pos. after a
feline leukemia vaccination? I'm wondering if
different vets use different vaccines? My vet uses a
killed virus vaccine. I have had her explain this to
me a couple times , because I keep doubting a cat
cannot test pos. after a vaccination...
Well, she finally said, it is antigens that show up in
a pos. FeLV test not,  antibodies...
I continue to wonder, because I have heard so many
times from people that believe the vaccination can
skew the FeLV test? Dawn, was it your vet that gave
you that information? I know the FIV vaccination will
make a FIV negative cat show pos. on an FIV test. That
is the biggest reason that the FIV vaccine is not
offered by many clinics...They also say it is really
not that effective?
If some of you better informed people want to chime in
I would be grateful, so once and for all we can get
clear on this...
Thanks, Glenda

--- Dawn Morrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Melissa and everyone,
> Thanks for your input.
> I am still highly concerned that my 4 year old will
> test positive since she would immediately eat the
> wet food that was leftover in the food bowl the
> FeLV+ ate out of and she was not vaccinated at the
> time. Only time will tell I guess, it's going to be
> a long couple of months waiting for the retest.
> 
> After the vaccination, I understood that they will
> test positive but not for very long afterwards. Our
> vet suggested having them retested in 6 months, she
> said by then we'll have a better idea if the virus
> has settled in their system.
> 
> Yes, I am the one living near Chicago who is looking
> for a home for Bea. Still looking for a home for the
> little one if anyone knows of someone!!
> I am just so uncertain of keeping my positive and
> negatives together, I know no one knows the answer
> and it truly is a hard decision to make. I have
> heard pro and cons from both sides. I think my
> biggest concern is our 4 year old, she likes to play
> bite and Bea still have her claws. 
> 
> Thanks
> Dawn
> 
> 
>  
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Re: OT: litter box problem

[glenda Goodman]

has to hold her, feed her
> the special kitten food, make sure there's always
> water, etc. He still thinks she's got a home to go
> to in November-which is my goal although it's not
> set in stone. We're really getting attached to the
> little cutie though! But, I hope we find a home for
> her because that will make room for other rescues. 
> 
>
> 
>   Melissa
> 
>
> 
>   -Original Message-
>   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of glenda Goodman
>   Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:42 AM
>   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>   Subject: Re: OT: litter box problem
> 
>
> 
>   Melissa, 
> 
>   I know you are having terrible problems,but your
> 
>   letter made me smile. 
> 
>   You are such a sweet , patient, humorous person. 
> 
>   Well, it is pretty awful having this right at your
> 
>   front door. She seems to have programmed herself
> to
> 
>   that spot. 
> 
>   Would you dare to try another area of the house
> for
> 
>   her, where she could be locked up for a while? I
> 
>   imagine you do not have a lot of spare rooms,
> because
> 
>   I think once. you said your house was small?
> Anyway,
> 
>   I'd try to find a room for her, even if it is your
> 
>   bedroom,  keep her there for a couple weeks, at
> 
>   least(.I would not keep her in a small place like
> the
> 
>   bathroom...she would hate that...kittens need to
> run
> 
>   around...) It would seem she would then get
> 
>   conditioned to using the potty in a different
> place,
> 
>   hopefully the litter box. After a couple weeks the
> 
>   smell will get more out of that front door area
> and
> 
>   get her broken of the "habit" of her going there. 
> 
>   After you see her use her litter box, praise her,
> kind
> 
>   of like you would praise a dog after he goes
> outside.
> 
>   I would not praise her as she was going ,because
> cats
> 
>   have a bit more dignity about going in front of
> you
> 
>   than dogs, but getting loved and praised and maybe
> 
>   even a treat once in a while, after she uses the
> 
>   litter box, might help her get the idea...
> 
>   Good luck to you, and your sweet husband! 
> 
>   Glenda
> 
>
> 
> 
> 
>   --- Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>
> 
>   > Okay, we're still having a problem with baby
> 
>   > Penelope (4 months). When she
> 
>   > first came home, she did her business on the
> 
>   > laminate floor in front of the
> 
>   > front door. So, I moved one of the litter boxes
> 
>   > there. She went fine in the
> 
>   > box. Then, I tried to move the box
> downstairs-not
> 
>   > with the others, but apart
> 
>   > so she'd feel as though it's still for her. No
> luck.
> 
>   > Poop and pee in front
> 
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Re: OT: litter box problem

[glenda Goodman]

Melissa, 
I know you are having terrible problems,but your
letter made me smile. 
You are such a sweet , patient, humorous person. 
Well, it is pretty awful having this right at your
front door. She seems to have programmed herself to
that spot. 
Would you dare to try another area of the house for
her, where she could be locked up for a while? I
imagine you do not have a lot of spare rooms, because
I think once. you said your house was small? Anyway,
I'd try to find a room for her, even if it is your
bedroom,  keep her there for a couple weeks, at
least(.I would not keep her in a small place like the
bathroom...she would hate that...kittens need to run
around...) It would seem she would then get
conditioned to using the potty in a different place,
hopefully the litter box. After a couple weeks the
smell will get more out of that front door area and
get her broken of the "habit" of her going there. 
After you see her use her litter box, praise her, kind
of like you would praise a dog after he goes outside.
I would not praise her as she was going ,because cats
have a bit more dignity about going in front of you
than dogs, but getting loved and praised and maybe
even a treat once in a while, after she uses the
litter box, might help her get the idea...
Good luck to you, and your sweet husband! 
Glenda

  
--- Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Okay, we're still having a problem with baby
> Penelope (4 months). When she
> first came home, she did her business on the
> laminate floor in front of the
> front door. So, I moved one of the litter boxes
> there. She went fine in the
> box. Then, I tried to move the box downstairs-not
> with the others, but apart
> so she'd feel as though it's still for her. No luck.
> Poop and pee in front
> of the front door. Then I moved the box back there.
> No problems. 
> 
>  
> 
> I then tried to slowly move the box closer to the
> downstairs. I placed it
> one foot off of the laminate floor on a rug. No
> luck. Poop and pee on the
> floor! 
> 
>  
> 
> Last night I tried something new. I used the plastic
> rug liner stuff with
> the pokey things on the bottom. Put that face up
> over the flooring. I
> sprayed the area with cat repellant. I woke up to
> the sound of her trying to
> cover her pee on the plastic. Grrr!
> 
>  
> 
> I cleaned it up. Told her that she needs to go
> downstairs. I don't think she
> was listening. I left the liner there to see what
> will happen today while
> I'm gone, but I'm not hopeful. Any ideas? She's
> using the box in the
> basement, but she still thinks she can go in the old
> area. I've cleaned up
> the area with Catergent which is supposed to remove
> the enzymes/scent. Plus,
> I covered it with owie-plastic stuff which would
> cover up the smell anyway.
> There's really no way to block off the area that I
> can think of. I can't
> think of a way to construct something she can't
> climb over.
> 
>  
> 
> I don't think she's doing it out of anxiety (as
> Bandit was) or because of
> any difficulties peeing (besides, it's usually just
> poop that shows up
> there). The puddle that was there this morning was
> normal colored, etc. 
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks. I know this is really OT, but I was hoping
> that you guys have all
> had plenty of experience with this.
> 
>  
> 
> By the way, today is national "talk like a pirate
> day" me mateys! 
> 
>  
> 
> Melissa Lind
> 
> Contract Administrator 
> 
> DEG Enterprises, Inc.
> 
> 200 Norfolk Av.
> 
> Norfolk, NE  68701
> 
> Phone: 402-379-1820
> 
> Fax: 402-379-3604
> 
>  
> 
> 



   

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RE: My new "pimp daddy" cat trees

[glenda Goodman]

 Melissa, 
That is a great idea!   I always notice those spools
and try to think what they might be good for... Once
as a kid , okay, as a hippe, one of my first apts,
they worked for tables, but I'm more worldly now, or
at least I have a real table.   
But , YES!  A cat structure seems perfect. You could
do a lot with them and some carpet and imagination,
like little cat compartments for napping cats, using
the bigger spools. I will be thinking about this...
 My son will probably have a fit. Mom is collecting
more junk... but oh well...(He attempts to keep me in
line...)
Thanks, Glenda
--- Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Pet trees are so expensive-but yours sounds actually
> worth it. Some are so
> overpriced for the crappy materials that are used.
> We've been meaning to
> build a cat play house, but haven't yet. 
> 
>  
> 
> One thing we do is to take old spools that
> electrical wire was on, or
> welding wire (from local companies), and cover them
> in scrap carpet. Our
> cats love it, and the spools aren't too big for our
> living room. They're
> about chair-height, and the cats just love ripping
> into them. They can also
> sit on top (carpet covers the hole), and play "king
> of the spool" while
> swatting each other on and off! Such fun!
> 
>  
> 
> Melissa
> 
>  
> 
>   _  
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Susan Dubose
> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 5:29 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: OT:My new "pimp daddy" cat trees
> 
>  
> 
> Last spring we had a table @ the Austin cat show as
> usual, and while there,
> I purchased a new cat tree for a great price.
> 
>  
> 
> $225. sounds high, but this thing was hand made,
> very well hand made.
> 
>  
> 
> Very heavy base ( I could not even drag this thing)
> w/ 3 perches, 2 that
> were semi circle & wrapped w/ a material that
> prevents kitty from falling
> off while slumbering.
> 
>  
> 
> Like a "lip" kinda thing.
> 
>  
> 
> The 4 posts holding up the tree are all wrapped w/
> sisal.
> 
>  
> 
> Anyway, I choose the black carpet w/ "faux" leopard
> carpet (had no idea THAT
> idea could  be found) that wrap the perches.
> 
>  
> 
> Kitties LOVE it.
> 
>  
> 
> They LOVE it s much, they found the man's
> business card in my wallet and
> ordered 2 more.
> 
>  
> 
> Only he is out of black carpet so what does he use
> instead?
> 
>  
> 
> Purple
> 
>  
> 
> Royal purple w/ leopard fur trim..
> 
>  
> 
> Just like a cat to pick THAT combination...
> 
>  
> 
> I am going to have to watch their spending habits
> more closely
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
> www.shadowcats.net
>   "As Cleopatra lay
> in state,
>Faithful Bast at
> her side did wait,
>Purring welcomes
> of soft applause,
>Ever guarding
> with sharpened claws."
>  Trajan
> Tennent
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
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Re: Update on papillon

[glenda Goodman]

Susan, I'm so sorry for your little Pappy and for you.
I know what you all mean by "the best little kitty
ever" I read Caroline's response to you...
 I thought one day, a while back, it is almost like
THEY know they are a bit more trouble, so they make
sure they are extra charming, irresistable...Not every
single cat comes across that special. 
For example, my cat Velcro, is a real pain...He is
grumpy, boring, lazy...never plays,not interested in
anything except food.  growls at everyone, even me
sometimes...Except for being a fatty, is the picture
of health. I do try to restrict his food intake...He
can also be very needy, likes my lap a lot...If he is
comfortable and I need to get up, he will most often
bite and claw me , just to let me know he does not
like losing his lap...He is not what you could call
"the best kitty ever" . He is not FeLV+ kitty
either... My Gracie , however, is...and she is "the
best kitty ever"...
My heart breaks for everyone here with sick kitties
and those who have lost their kitty. It is just about
impossible not to cry every time one of us is going
through a crisis. There is just something universal
about how those kitties touch us, where we can all
understand just how sweet they all are and the pain
those of us who love them are feeling. 
I do know one thing for sure:Our little FeLV+ Kitties
do bring out the best, in all of us. I know that. 
Sending our love and support, Glenda and family 
--- Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Papillon had his vet visit today.
> 
> He has been lethargic lately and yesterday he
> "stumbled" when he tried to walk.
> 
> Dr. Smith found that his heart rate is up, he is
> having eye redness w/discharge, his stomach is
> beginning to collect fluid and I believe his
> temperature was up too.
> 
> Prognosis is that his felv is "on the rise", so to
> say.
> 
> He received a "cocktail" shot of Depo Medrol,
> Dexamethasone & B-12 & some  eye drops to be given
> TID.
> 
> And he told me that this was all we were going to
> do, and I am to call him daily w/  reports.
> 
> Once they start having the neuro problems, it never
> "goes back" to normal.
> 
> I am going to accept this, my funds are always tight
> & Dr. Smith knows this.
> 
> He also knows that I am in the "felv+ kitty club"
> for good, and he knows also how many more "special
> needs"cats I have.
> 
> And he has seen this condition so many times,so, he
> knows what he is dealing with.
> 
> He stressed 2 things for Pappy, good nutrition w/
> supplements & stress free lifestyle as possible.
> 
> Those are the keys to the felv+ kingdom right now.
> 
> I also think what Tad posted a while back made alot
> of sense, that we take them in, knowing they are
> going to die sooner rather than later, and it will
> hurt us, but we go on.
> 
> We just do the best that we can do for these cats
> that not many people will open their homes to.
>  
> And it is not their fault, continously dealing w/
> the death of a beloved pet is hard on our souls.
> 
> I understand why folks cannot do this on a regular
> basis.
> 
> We are blessed to have them, in so many ways, and it
> hurts when they pass, but we just hold them in their
> final hours and tell them they are the best little
> kitty in the whole wideworld.
> 
> But until then, everyday that we have them we greet
> them w/a smile and we tell  them  how  much we love
> them and how much they mean to us..
> :)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
> www.shadowcats.net
>   "As Cleopatra lay
> in state,
>Faithful Bast at
> her side did wait,
>Purring welcomes
> of soft applause,
>Ever guarding
> with sharpened claws."
>  Trajan
> Tennent
> 
> 
> 
> 



  

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Re: Update on Felv+ B/W Female kitty...good news!

[glenda Goodman]

Caroline,
 How absolutely lovely! Thank you! These good little
stories help so much to offset all the sad stories out
there. 
Can you imagine how excited this little girl kitty
must be?  
Glenda
--- Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ahhh, Caroline, thanks so much for sharing this
> story.
> 
> You just MADE my day..;)
> 
> 
> Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
> www.shadowcats.net
>   "As Cleopatra lay
> in state,
>Faithful Bast at
> her side did wait,
>Purring welcomes
> of soft applause,
>Ever guarding
> with sharpened claws."
>  Trajan
> Tennent
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Caroline Kaufmann 
>   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>   Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 1:06 PM
>   Subject: Update on Felv+ B/W Female kitty...good
> news!
> 
> 
>   Great news!  A while ago, when Monkee was still
> alive, I had posted about a B/W, long-haired,
> docile, sweet, female FelV+ cat (maybe a year old?)
> who my contact at the no-kill adoption agency had
> picked up from a colony downtown and had gotten
> fixed.  She planned to re-release her, but she
> tested her for FeLV+ and FIV (which she never does),
> and she's Felv+.  So she's had this dilemma about
> what to do and the cat's been living in her bathroom
> since I think at least the end of June because she
> couldn't bring herself to re-release. 
> 
>
> 
>   Anyway, she got adopted last night
>  I couldn't't believe it!!!  She is now living in
> HUGE house in a really expensive part of
> town-basically, she's a rich kitty now!  There's a
> lady who currently has a male 8 yo Felv+ cat.  Her
> son, who's in first grade, told her he wanted a
> kitty.  She told him that they couldn't't get a
> kitty because they have a Felv+ cat.  Somehow, she
> must have contacted the adoption agency and actually
> asked for a Felv+ (which usually never happens).  
> My contact took her the cat yesterday, so she got to
> see her huge house.  The lady showed her around and
> then said: "Now, let me show you Baby's room!"  (the
> cat has been nicknamed Baby by my friend keeping her
> in the b-room).  My friend was like, "What?!  Her
> room?!"   Yep.  She has her OWN bedroom!  Of course,
> Baby will have the run of the house too, since this
> lady has only Felv+ cats, but she also has her own
> separate bedroom.  Apparently, it was all set up
> with her litter box and play toys and kitty-hammock.
>  I was just so happy to hear that Baby doesn't't
> have to go back outside and live out her life as a
> Downtown Louisville Colony cat., I almost cried. 
> Thank god my contact held onto her and didn't't
> break down and re-release.  
> 
>
> 
>   In further good news, I suspected this lady may
> have wanted another Felv+ cat because she hadn't
> lost one yet (I know, I was being negative and I
> shouldn't't be like that).  But apparently, she had
> one other than the 8 yo male that she recently lost-
> so she has been thru it and knows what she's getting
> into I guess.  Also, I can't believe she has a Felv+
> cat that is 8!  Of course, I am jealous..I would
> have given anything to have had The Monkee for 8
> years.  My friend said the lady has her 8 yo on
> Interferon and she asked me if I had treated Monkee
> with that (no- only during chemo).  That led to a
> discussion where I yet again lamented whether I did
> everything I could to prevent the FelV taking over
> while Monkee was still healthy, i.e., did we go to
> the right vet?  Was his Vet proactive enough (I
> really can't decide about this one)?  Were people
> proactively treating healthy Felv+ cats like they
> are now (with supplements and Interferon) 4 ½ years
> ago when I first found him (questioning whether the
> resources were available- I'd rather not know the
> answer to this one).  Alas, answers to these
> questions don't really matter now and I know Monkee
> had a great life.just another subtle instance that
> makes me doubt myself..but this isn't about me or
> Monkee, it's about the fact that the B/W female got
> adopted and is going to be a rich-kitty and
> well-taken care of!  I'm so happy!
> 
>   -Caroline 
> 
> 
> 
>
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Re: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty

[glenda Goodman]

Megan, 
Nice to hear from you. Good luck to you and your
kitties! 
Glenda
--- Megan Heikkinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> First off, I want to thank all of you for your
> condolences. I miss Olive, but 
> I am doing much better. Although it hurts and
> sometimes I question myself, I 
> think I did the right thing. I couldn't stand seeing
> her suffering.
> 
> And now there is a new kitty in the household. I am
> by no means trying to 
> replace Olive, because that would be impossible. My
> mom's new neighbors had 
> this little kitten that they didn't take care of,
> and so my mom was letting 
> her stay inside. Stepdad won't let her keep it, so
> she sorta kinda pushes it 
> on me... My roommate decides to take her, because
> her cat is way back in New 
> Jersey and she wants her own kitty. So, the little
> kitty is in her room for 
> now, because I do not want to take any chance
> whatsoever of getting my cats 
> sick. Although, this thing is slightly malnourished
> and dirty, and my guess is 
> that it's probably FeLV-negative, otherwise it
> probably wouldn't still be 
> alive. Still, I want to take precautions.
> 
> Here's the weird thing about this cat: It's very
> very small, and at first 
> glance looks like a small kitten. However, it's got
> the proportions of an 
> adult cat. It's so strange. She looks like a
> miniature cat. Could her growth 
> have been stunted, perhaps? Or do some kittens just
> turn out that way?
> 
> I want to get her tested ASAP, so she isn't stuck by
> herself in a tiny room, 
> but I have no idea how old she is. Size-wise, she
> looks maybe a month or so, 
> but if it IS possible her growth was stunted The
> vet techs told me that 
> you can't really tell if they're positive or
> negative until around 4 months, 
> but I don't want to keep her cooped up in my
> roommate's room for the next few 
> months.
> 
> -Megan
> 
> 
> 
> 



   

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RE: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty

[glenda Goodman]

Melissa, 
You are a sweetheart! 
I wish you and every kitty you encounter the best of
everything. I'm proud and grateful to know you
actually live in Nebraska! Together, we will hold down
the state! 
I think it goes, without saying, when your heart
breaks, I can feel it here. You just take care of
yourself. 
Your husband sounds like a very nice and special
person. You obviously have a very dear and loving
relationship.
Love from, Glenda, Feeto, Bruno, Dingo,Velcro, Gracie,
little Boy and Little Girl. I still have not named the
last two...And it IS, my last two. Really!
 Glenda 
--- Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Congrats Megan on the new kitty! Yes, of course no
> kitty could replace
> Olive, but I think it's wonderful that you and your
> roommate are so caring
> and understanding! 
> 
> I have a kitty that is not old, but she's just
> disproportional. She's about
> a year old. I got her in April--rescued from eating
> out of a dumpster--so
> she was very malnourished. Her body is much bigger
> than I would expect her
> head to be. She's cute, but not a cat that you would
> call beautiful--I tell
> her that she's beautiful inside! 
> 
> Have you named the little one? My suggestion would
> be to get it to the vet
> for wormer, ear mites, etc. and see how old he/she
> is.
> 
> Best of luck!
> 
> Melissa
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Megan Heikkinen
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:04 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty
> 
> First off, I want to thank all of you for your
> condolences. I miss Olive,
> but 
> I am doing much better. Although it hurts and
> sometimes I question myself, I
> 
> think I did the right thing. I couldn't stand seeing
> her suffering.
> 
> And now there is a new kitty in the household. I am
> by no means trying to 
> replace Olive, because that would be impossible. My
> mom's new neighbors had 
> this little kitten that they didn't take care of,
> and so my mom was letting 
> her stay inside. Stepdad won't let her keep it, so
> she sorta kinda pushes it
> 
> on me... My roommate decides to take her, because
> her cat is way back in New
> 
> Jersey and she wants her own kitty. So, the little
> kitty is in her room for 
> now, because I do not want to take any chance
> whatsoever of getting my cats 
> sick. Although, this thing is slightly malnourished
> and dirty, and my guess
> is 
> that it's probably FeLV-negative, otherwise it
> probably wouldn't still be 
> alive. Still, I want to take precautions.
> 
> Here's the weird thing about this cat: It's very
> very small, and at first 
> glance looks like a small kitten. However, it's got
> the proportions of an 
> adult cat. It's so strange. She looks like a
> miniature cat. Could her growth
> 
> have been stunted, perhaps? Or do some kittens just
> turn out that way?
> 
> I want to get her tested ASAP, so she isn't stuck by
> herself in a tiny room,
> 
> but I have no idea how old she is. Size-wise, she
> looks maybe a month or so,
> 
> but if it IS possible her growth was stunted The
> vet techs told me that 
> you can't really tell if they're positive or
> negative until around 4 months,
> 
> but I don't want to keep her cooped up in my
> roommate's room for the next
> few 
> months.
> 
> -Megan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



  

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Re: Goodbye, Olive...

[glenda Goodman]

Megan,
 I'm so sorry. She was a beautiful little girl. It is
so unfair. Her siblings are very beautiful too. Make
sure you give them extra vitamins and iron just to
make sure they stay strong. I think it is very lucky
they have tested negative. This means they did not
contract this disease through their mom. 
You have been a great joy to me, just because it is so
wonderful to see a person so full of love and
compassion. People like the people here on this list
do restore my faith in people. There is so much
unkindness in this world. Hearing about how all this
has ended did break my heart. My eyes get cleaned out
every morning here...I know we were all hoping so
badly everything would turn out perfect. Your other
little guys deserve your attention now. I'm sure this
has been awful for them too. 
You have learned so much here ,as have we all. You
have also made a lot of friends. I'm sure you will
always be able to find a friend here who will remember
you. 
I really loved your pictures! They were very easy to
access too! Thank you Megan. Now it is back to
thinking about school. You will have a wonderful life.
Sending our love and best wishes always, Glenda and
family
--- Megan Heikkinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Unfortunately, I had to resort to PTS. It was
> probably the toughest decision 
> of my life--or at least, the second toughest, the
> first being to decide to let 
> Olive go in the first place. I spent most of the day
> yesterday and today with 
> her, and it was miserable watching her fade away. My
> roommate and I sat by her 
> for hours today. I kept thinking she was about to
> go, that she'd take one last 
> looking like she'd already passed. At one point she
> looked like she was really 
> gone, aside from the very slight rising of her
> chest, and then she rolled over 
> and stretched out, almost as if she were alright...
> it was heartbreaking.
> 
> This morning I had thought about trying to save her,
> but in my heart I feel 
> that it would have done more harm than good. Perhaps
> there was a slight chance 
> I truly could have saved her and reversed the
> anemia--but I have a feeling it 
> wouldn't have worked out that way, and I didn't want
> to put Olive through more 
> suffering. She was too young to succumb to this, but
> if I had tried to keep 
> her alive, I feel that it would've been out of my
> own selfish reasons. I will 
> miss her so much, but I am glad that she went out
> easy. I am sorry that I 
> could not give her a longer life, but at least the
> one she had was a great 
> one. She was one of the best kitties ever.
> 
> The vet called me this afternoon asking for an
> update, and I told him of my 
> decision, but that I still didn't know which way to
> go about it. He told me 
> he'd be at the clinic for about 20 more minutes, so
> I told him I might call 
> back. After discussing it with my roommate and
> boyfriend, I called back. It 
> was terrible. But at least Olive got to enjoy a last
> meal of tuna before 
> parting this world. She'd not eaten in a while, and
> I was happy to see her 
> gobble up quite a bit of it.
> 
> Here are some photos of Olive, if you're interested:
> http://web.utk.edu/~mheikkin/olive.JPG
> http://web.utk.edu/~mheikkin/olive2.JPG
> http://web.utk.edu/~mheikkin/babyolive.JPG
> http://web.utk.edu/~mheikkin/kittens.JPG (Juniper on
> left, Kudzu on right)
> 
> She was not very photogenic, so I don't have many
> good photos of her...
> 
> Thank you guys for all of your help. I did not mean
> to come off as ungrateful 
> in one of my previous emails. I was in so much pain,
> and so confused. I'm 
> feeling better now, because I know I did the right
> thing, as awful as it was.
> 
> I wish you and all your kitties good luck. I may
> eventually leave this list, 
> as I should hopefully no longer have use of it for
> some time being... But I'll 
> stay on for a bit. Thank you, everyone, so much.
> 
> -Megan
> 
> 
> 
> 



   

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Megan, you are not superwoman...

[glenda Goodman]

Megan, I just checked how everyone is doing with their
cat situations...I read your last post where you are
feeling so torn, in so many directions and a lot of it
is due to listening to people here. 
Well, Melissa said some wonderful and true things . I
have the teacher in me too, so I totally agree with
what she said. 
This group of people is here to share the many things
they have learned, while loving and caring for their
cats. It can be very helpful and educational here. 
 I personally am very fond of some of these guys
,because I can feel how really beautiful they are in
their hearts. You do get a certain type of people
here. To me they care about things most people out
there in the world might not even notice...These
people can smell the roses and do take the time to
appreciate things (cats) and understand them...
However, sometimes someone will read a couple emails
that someone else has posted and just assume they have
it all figured out . Sometimes they might miss a lot
of information and also not understand really what
that other person is dealing with. 
I do not know how desperately ill Olive is. I have
never looked into her eyes. I do understand that you
have two other kitties that need you. Right now they
have tested negative. I understand you are having one
of your kitties donate blood, Juniper,right? Anyway, I
do worry about the kitties you have. I worry about
you. I know you cannot afford these crazy bills...It
is just insane that anyone would suggest
2,000.00-3,000.00 for treatment for Olive. When the
disease is already in her bone morrow. It is
bad...This disease is going to eventually be fatal for
her, maybe?  Maybe somehow you could buy her a little
time, but your heart will eventually break, because
the "odds" just do not look good. 
I think to subject her to some of these extreme
measures will be very stressful for her and you and
your other kitties will be living in a cardboard box
somewhere???
Nobody here should be making you feel guilty...Nobody
here is youor is in your shoes. Only you really know
what is right for this situation. It is your
situation. 
I personally, stand by going to reasonable measures to
help our FeLV+ kitties. This includes a good diet,
vitamin and iron supplements. A lot of love and a
stress free environment. If my kitty is suffering, a
sedative and then pts.I have my vet come to me... I
did this with my dog in May of this year. The dog I
had before that, I kept until the end. He went out
naturally, but his last day with me was horrible for
him. He was 15-yr old, a German Shorthair.The last
couple days I carried him outside to use the bathroom.
On his last day, he made it over to my front door to
let me know he had to go outside...He had an accident
on the floor. A flood of blood came out the back of
him. He looked at me like he had done something wrong.
I will never again NOT recognize when the kindest
thing to do, is to just help them to go. My last dog
was very uncomfortable towards the end. When the light
was completely gone from his eyes and he just started
looking so sad I made the appt. 
Nobody here can decide anything for you. This list is
simply for your education. Melissa's letter said it
all. 
I know everyone here has to really admire you. You
have been amazing and caring and obviously you are a
very intelligent young lady. If only everyone in the
world could only be as nice of a person as you are. 
 Your character is building and for a young person you
already have plenty ... Bless you and Olive and your
other two little guys...You all have been doing all
possible for Olive...Just remember yourselves...That
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Re: new kitty, fingers crossed

[glenda Goodman]

Melissa, My fingers are crossed! My goodness, better
stay away from that vodka before going to rescue
shelters...just a thought...I'm happy the little tiger
guy found you! Take care, Glenda
--- Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Oh dear me! I could write a book entitled "5 vodkas,
> an ex-marine, and a
> kitty." I went to have a birthday drink with my
> career Marine buddy who was
> 78 yesterday. That drink turned into 5. Then I went
> to check on the stray
> that I'm looking after who is incidentally named
> Sarge after this buddy of
> mine-both are blind in the right eye. As I'm calling
> for Sarge, out comes a
> little gray tiger. She was so hungry but also
> scared. I scooped her up,
> probably not very gracefully after the vodkas-I've
> noticed quite a few nice
> scratches this morning from last night. 
> 
>  
> 
> She stayed in my home office room last night and
> left two nicely sized poops
> near the litter box on the carpet :-). She's not a
> friendly kitty that likes
> to cuddle-lots of hissing. Poor thing has had a
> rough life so far. Her ribs
> are practically poking through. 
> 
>  
> 
> I took her to the vet this morning, but I haven't
> figured out what her name
> is yet. I'm awaiting the FeLV test. So keep your
> fingers crossed-for the
> test and for my marriage! Haven't told my husband
> yet! I might board the
> kitty over the weekend in hopes that I find homes
> for my two foster cats.
> That would assuage my husband. I need to make room
> (we have 3 of our own
> "permanent" cats) before I take in more. We have a
> 5-cat rule. But does a
> kitten (about 12 weeks old) count as a full cat? :-)
> 
>  
> 
> Hoping for the best.
> 
>  
> 
> Melissa Lind
> 
>  
> 
> 



   

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Re: new kitty, fingers crossed

[glenda Goodman]

Hey 
--- Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Oh dear me! I could write a book entitled "5 vodkas,
> an ex-marine, and a
> kitty." I went to have a birthday drink with my
> career Marine buddy who was
> 78 yesterday. That drink turned into 5. Then I went
> to check on the stray
> that I'm looking after who is incidentally named
> Sarge after this buddy of
> mine-both are blind in the right eye. As I'm calling
> for Sarge, out comes a
> little gray tiger. She was so hungry but also
> scared. I scooped her up,
> probably not very gracefully after the vodkas-I've
> noticed quite a few nice
> scratches this morning from last night. 
> 
>  
> 
> She stayed in my home office room last night and
> left two nicely sized poops
> near the litter box on the carpet :-). She's not a
> friendly kitty that likes
> to cuddle-lots of hissing. Poor thing has had a
> rough life so far. Her ribs
> are practically poking through. 
> 
>  
> 
> I took her to the vet this morning, but I haven't
> figured out what her name
> is yet. I'm awaiting the FeLV test. So keep your
> fingers crossed-for the
> test and for my marriage! Haven't told my husband
> yet! I might board the
> kitty over the weekend in hopes that I find homes
> for my two foster cats.
> That would assuage my husband. I need to make room
> (we have 3 of our own
> "permanent" cats) before I take in more. We have a
> 5-cat rule. But does a
> kitten (about 12 weeks old) count as a full cat? :-)
> 
>  
> 
> Hoping for the best.
> 
>  
> 
> Melissa Lind
> 
>  
> 
> 



   

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RE: ***Important question about reticulocytes***

[glenda Goodman]

Megan, All you have been doing is trying! How many
hours are there in a day? You have not let an hour go
by, except maybe when you have been asleep, that you
have not been doing everything humanly possible to
help your Olive. 
Your grade is nothing less than an A+ on your test as
a care giver for your kitties...Glenda
--- Megan Heikkinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I left a message for my vet today regarding her
> reticulocytes, but he never 
> got back to me. If he had, maybe I could've gotten
> another transfusion done. 
> Now I'm afraid I've missed my chance, and I feel
> absolutely horrible. I had 
> decided to let Olive go, but now I'm wondering if I
> could've saved her. I 
> don't know if there's time, now. I feel like I
> didn't try hard enough...
> 
> >= Original Message From wendy
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> =
> >Here are a few articles:
> 
>  
>
http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/10200.htm
>  
> :explains that the reticulocyte count greater than
> 1% indicates regeneration.
>  
> http://www.2ndchance.info/anemia.htm
> 
>
http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB/Proceedings/PR05000/PR00043.htm
> 
> http://www.walthamusa.com/articles/COUTO97.pdf
> 
> 
> Basically, at this point, which is one of the
> problems with anemia, is that 
> it's a crapshoot because you can't tell.  Low
> reticulocytes can go either way.
>  If you can swing the transfusion, do it and get her
> on doxy asap.  Precious 
> time has been lost already waiting for the doxy to
> take effect.  I hope it 
> works Megan.
> 
> :)
> Wendy
>  
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change 
> the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever
> has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: Megan Heikkinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:08:52 PM
> Subject: ***Important question about
> reticulocytes***
> 
> 
> The vet told me that Olive's number of reticulocytes
> was low--but she does 
> have SOME. He and the vet school seem to think it's
> nonregenerative anemia, 
> but if that's so, wouldn't there be no reticulocytes
> whatsoever? Or could they 
> possibly be leftovers from the blood transfusion?
> I'm really confused. I don't 
> want to give up if there's still a chance.
> 
> -Megan
> 
> 
>   
>
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Re: Nova Please add to the CLS

[glenda Goodman]

Sherry, 
Sending hugs for all you have been through these last
few days...I'm sorry Nova's life was cut short too, by
this awful disease. I know we all want to thank you
for all you do for these poor , deserving little
guys... and especially, for the love you give to
them...My heart breaks for each and every one. Any one
of them could have been one of mine...I know how
special each one is...
Love from us here in Nebraska, 
Glenda
--- Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well poor Nova has now crossed the bridge.will this
> aweful disease ever cured? Only in our dreams. :(
>   Jen sent out an e-mail to all the volunteers
> tonight about Genevieve and Nova.I am getting many
> e-mails from all the wonderful volunteers that knew
> how much I loved my VitterVits
> 
>
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Megan, be careful...

[glenda Goodman]

Megan, I just got home and saw the update on Olive's
situation and your other two kitties. It is wonderful
your two have tested negative...I feel very sad to
hear of how your little Olive is doing. 
I just read Wendy's letter to you and it was perfect,
right on, as is usual for Wendy! Yeah! Wendy! 
Like Wendy I cannot believe they would have the guts
to tell you the fee for helping Olive would be
$2,000.00. They do not even know if they will be able
to help her...This is a learning thing for those
guys...They should be grateful you have evenconsidered
bringing Olive to them...It seems someone is praying
on your heartache and desperation here.
 You have picked up and retained so much information
in these last few days from the experienced and very
kind people here. 
If I were you I would gather my senses and go through
the basic steps to make Olive comfortable and build up
her system with the supplements that might help her
that you can afford. I cannot imagine what the vet
school would be thinking to put Olive through for
$2,000.00. I would imagine it would be horribly
stessfull for her and there would be a lot of
strangers around and that would be very scary for
her... There is nothing out there that is going to
save her if she is at a certain point with this
disease and for these guys to be putting a 2,000.00
price tag on what the treatment is, they are trying to
sell you on, is just not very nice at all. 
 I'm sure Wendy and some others here would love to
hear their ideas for treatment...They would be a lot
more in touch than I might be or some of the newer
people here. I wish you could ask those vet school
people what they are thinking on selling you and then
let these guys decide if their price tag is in line
with their treatment options...
Meanwhile, I am wondering how Michael is doing with
his vet school situation???
I'm really sorry for you and Olive, but your other
guys need you too... and you need to keep strong! Be
careful with your money and study hard in school...The
mother in me is coming out here...Glenda


  

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RE: To Megan: Re: Olive

[glenda Goodman]

Megan, You are a very special young lady. I feel very
glad you are able to get the best help possible from
the great people on this list. I see those wheels
turning in your head. You are going to be successful
in what ever you do in life. 
Olive is so lucky to have you fighting for her.
Everyone is going to be wishing the best for your
other two. If by chance they are neg. this is good for
Olive too. There is that small chance she could beat
it. I know this is all very draining on you, but
please focus on your school work so you do not get
behind...Maybe somehow, this could make you even more
functional...sometimes ,under pressure things can kick
in we did not even know we had, to pull us through.
 The best to all of you! Glenda
--- Megan Heikkinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I guess I figured it was NRA, just because that
> seems most likely to me. If 
> she tested positive on the IFA, doesn't that mean
> the infection's spread to 
> her bone marrow, and therefore she can't produce new
> RBCs? The vet didn't tell 
> me which one it was, but I'll ask tomorrow, if he
> even knows.
> 
> Olive did have her blood typed, and she's type A,
> fortunately. That's what you 
> were asking, right? The reason her brother Kudzu had
> to give her blood was 
> that there was apparently no blood stored up
> anywhere nearby. This now seems 
> slightly ridiculous to me, what with the vet school
> and all. Surely there 
> would be available blood somewhere in Knoxville or
> the surrounding area. 
> Still, I think Kudzu would've had to have been used
> regardless at the time, 
> because Olive would probably have died within a few
> hours if not for the 
> transfusion. Her packed cell count had gotten down
> to 4.5%.
> 
> As for how she's doing today She's still up and
> active, behaving pretty 
> normally. She does seem slightly slower today,
> unfortunately, and the 
> coloration in her pads has gone down. Although, I
> think they may actually look 
> a bit better now than they did earlier today. I
> don't know, it may just be my 
> imagination.
> 
> I left a message with my vet today, but
> unfortunately he did not get to talk 
> to the vet school today. He will tomorrow, and we'll
> also be getting my other 
> cats' results back. I'm also trying to get in touch
> with another vet who is 
> supposedly very passionate and will do whatever he
> can to save an animal. This 
> sounds like the type of vet I need, and hopefully I
> will talk to him tomorrow. 
> We'll see.
> 
> Please keep Olive in your thoughts. Hopefully she
> will be alright for the next 
> few days, so we can prepare to give her another
> blood transfusion if need be. 
> It seems like we might have to just to get her cell
> count back up, and then we 
> can start giving her meds. I am definitely going to
> push for the 
> haemobartonella meds, and I will ask about
> interferon, too.
> 
> Thank you all for your help so far. You give me hope
> when I'm feeling more 
> lost than ever. Keep your fingers crossed that my
> other two turn out to be 
> negative.
> 
> -Megan
> 
> >= Original Message From wendy
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> =
> >Hey Megan,
> 
> How are you doing tonight?  And how is Olive?  Did
> you find anything else out 
> today?
> 
> As far as what type of anemia it is, Belinda is
> right that it probably needs 
> to be typed.  But, no matter what, get her on that
> doxy asap if you can.  
> Hemobart is treatable and it could very easily be
> that.  I'm not sure why you 
> think it's non-regenerative anemia.  Did the vet
> tell you that?  As far as I 
> know, you don't have to do a bone aspirate to find
> out.  My vet looked at 
> whether or not Cricket had reticulocytes in his
> blood when he was anemic.  If 
> there are reticulocytes, then the body is trying to
> make rbc's, and it is 
> regenerative anemia.  Cricket had regenerative, but
> the vet said something 
> about autohemolytic anemia, which means the body is
> killing off the blood 
> cells as they are made.  Whether or not that was
> from hemobart, I'll never 
> know.  When Cricket was sick, the vet never
> mentioned doxycycline or hemobart 
> (or maybe the did the test and said he was
> negative), so I didn't know about 
> the doxy.  Sometimes I wonder if Cricket would still
> be
> > here had he been on doxy.  I didn't learn about
> hemobart until it was too 
> late.
> 
> If your vet seems like he's willing to learn, and
> you like him, then it's ok 
> to stay with him.  BUT, make sure you still get
> Olive seen at the university 
> as soon as possible.  Olive might be a learning
> experience for your current 
> vet and maybe his experience with her will help save
> someone else's beloved 
> kitty.  However, if you feel he feels Olive's a lost
> cause, run.  Find another 
> vet.  You need someone who will fight for her.  You
> can also show him or share 
> with him the info. you are learning here.  It might
> also help.
> 
> You don't have to get the the next transfusion from
> on

Re: Please add Jingles to the CLS

[glenda Goodman]

Susan, 
I am so very sorry you lost your sweet baby...It had
to be very hard going through this whole sad process.
You were doing all you could and probably there was no
way to make things better for him. We have so much yet
to learn. 
I experienced, for the first time, something like this
about a month ago, where someone had found a homeless
kitten with terrible eye discharge...Upon cleaning
this kitten's eyes, I  realized both his eyes had
ruptured.  It is the most helpless feeling in the
world when you realize there is nothing you can do to
make their quality of life worth living...The kitten I
was trying to help, I believe, had distemper? I never
knew such things could happen with the eyes...Maybe
someone here can comment on this...
You did a wonderful job with your Jingles, having had
him for 5-years! He certainly was happy and loved. It
is just too bad for you, that you had to go through
all this the way you did...Bless your heart! 
Glenda  
--- Susan Loesch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My sweet little Jingles boy - who I wrote
> about last week asking about the ulcer/tumor on his
> eye had to be euthanized Saturday night.  He was
> fine Friday night and I'd planned to take him to the
> vet the first part of this week.  He was eating and
> cuddling up with me then.   Sat. morning I didn't
> bother him when he was curled up in a cat bed with
> Sherpa and Autumn - they all looked so comfortable
> that I just left them.  Was gone most of the day and
> when I went back iin and Jingles was still curled up
> in the bed i tried to wake him up.  His eye looked
> like it had literally exploded - red/pink and white
> tissue comiing out and the eye dripping.  The Emerg
> Clinic wasn't an option for him because he wasn't
> strong enough to withstand anesthesia and an
> enucleation.  I sedated him as fast as I could and
> he was euthanized.  I have never ever seen anything
> like that.
>
>   Jimgles was a totally sweet boy who loved to sleep
> with me.  He had gone downhill over the last couple
> of months and I figured his life was coming to an
> end, but I sure didn't expect this.  He was adopted
> from a kill shelter by an elderly lady who didn't
> care that he was feleuk positive.  Then she died and
> I've had him about 5 years.  Such a sweetheart.  
>   
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Re: My cat was tested positive yesterday, and I don't know what to do.

[glenda Goodman]

Megan, The vet program at your school could be a real
help. I am so sorry that you are going through this,
especially with school just starting. It has to be
horribly stressful for you... The most important
thing, right now, is that you stay strong and remain
focused. No matter what, you have to be the strong one
to take care of your cats...You cannot afford to let
this affect your school performance. If you start
slipping in school, you will sink into a depression
and just start feeling overwhelmed...
You did the best thing, so far, by all of your
kitties. You got everyone vaccinated and you found
this group. Any questions you have, will be answered
here and the emotional support here is the best.
Everyone here understands. 
A couple months ago I got the news my kitty was FeLV
positive. I have absorbed a lot of information on how
to better take care of my cats since that day. The
people here gave me the hope , support and information
I needed to arm myself against this scary disease
Like Michael just told you: FeLV is not a death
sentence for your positive kitty. This site  is way
ahead of most vets, with current information on FeLV,
so trust the people here who take care of their FeLV+
kitties every day to know what they are talking
about...Again, I am very sorry...but as you will learn
, sometimes a cat can even fight off the virus...it
happens... We will be with you every step of the way.
You and your kitties have lots of loving, informed,
aunts and uncles here...Glenda
--- Megan Heikkinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> My name is Megan. I'm a college student with three
> sibling cats, one of which 
> was recently found to be FeLV-positive. We
> discovered this after Olive had a 
> severe anemic episode last week all of the sudden
> and almost died. Her 
> brother's blood was able to restore her, but how
> long this will last, we don't 
> know. She has seemed happy and feeling well since
> the blood transfusion, but 
> there's a feeling in my gut that tells me it's only
> a matter of time before 
> she gets sick again, and I don't know what to do
> about that. Like I said, I'm 
> a college student, and independent from my parents,
> which by default means I'm 
> poor.
> 
> My vet doesn't know much about treatment, but he is
> going to talk to the 
> university's vet school. We are considering
> interferon, although to be honest, 
> I don't know if I'd be able to give Olive shots
> everyday. I'm in quite a 
> dilemma, because I want to do what I can for Olive.
> She is the sweetest, 
> friendliest cat I have ever met. All of my friends
> love her and some of them 
> are also pretty upset about her condition.
> 
> Part of the dilemma is what to do about interaction
> with her siblings. I just 
> had them tested (and vaccinated) today, and won't
> know the results until 
> Thursday. I would assume that they are very likely
> to be infected as well, yet 
> part of me thinks that they aren't, and the vet
> thought this, too. I had 
> thought that maybe my boyfriend's cat had
> transmitted it to Olive, because he 
> has some health problems, and therefore maybe only
> she was infected. But he 
> tested negative today on the in-home test, so now
> I'm scared that Olive has 
> had this since she was little, and therefore my
> other two probably have it as 
> well. Unless, of course, they've developed immunity
> to it.
> 
> So, there are my two problems: What to do with
> Olive, and what to do if my 
> other two turn out negative. If they are all
> positive, then leaving them 
> together isn't an issue; although then I'm also left
> with the horrible 
> situation of having three FeLV-positive cats. If
> they turn out to be negative, 
> I don't know how to separate them. I don't want to
> risk their lives by having 
> them interact, yet I can't bear to give up Olive. I
> live in an apartment, so 
> keeping them separate in my home isn't a great
> solution.
> 
> If anyone has any suggestions, words of advice,
> etc., please let me know. I am 
> completely distraught over this. Last night I could
> not sleep, and I'm already 
> not caring about school, which just started.
> 
> Thank you for reading this. Sorry it's so long...
> -Megan
> 
> 
> 
> 



   

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Re: Genevieve My precious baby is gone

[glenda Goodman]

Sherry , My heart is breaking for you. I completely
understand...I am so sorry for you and your little
girl. Love from us here. Glenda
--- Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jen just called and it was worse then she
> thought,she was very anemic and septic,the felv
> destroyed her white blood cells and she had nothing
> to fight with.Jen gave her 12 hours of feeling
> better.I had a wonderful hour with her this
> morning,at least I didn't have to see her in agony.I
> will never forget that beautiful face and
> personality.I am so sick with heartache right now
> 
>
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Re: heartworm info

[glenda Goodman]

Susan, Thank you! I had treated a dog once for
heartworms and until this discussion being opened up
regarding heartworms in cats, had just assumed it
would be about the same thing. I do not like giving my
cats chemicals, each month, unless I might actually
see a flea, for example. I was surprised to discover a
cat cannot be treated for heartworms once infected by
disease, the same as a dog. I did know cat's
resistance was better and had always counted on
that... I guess now, heartworms is becoming another
thing we need to be worrying about for our cats...I'll
be sharing this info. with friends... I do know
heartworm disease in becoming more prevalent every
year in the United States. The dog I dealt with was a
dog I had rescued in Hawaii. He had a bad case. I had
him treated and he became negative. I thought it would
be the same for cats... In Hawaii, because the
incidence of heartworms is so high, I did keep my dog
on preventatives...I would do the same here, for dogs,
on the mainland now, as it is getting so common... I
will now be considering it for my cats next
summer...Thanks, Glenda
--- Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi gang, 
> 
> Funny, we were also discussing heartworms on another
> list today.
> 
> Here is a link that was sent to me, I have not
> reviewed it, so, let me know what you think.
> 
> Susan -  Found this website that seems to have loads
> of cat info on heartworm.  The video/animation is
> pretty cool.
> 
> http://www.heartwormsociety.org/article.asp?id=16
> 
> Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
> www.shadowcats.net
>   "As Cleopatra lay
> in state,
>Faithful Bast at
> her side did wait,
>Purring welcomes
> of soft applause,
>Ever guarding
> with sharpened claws."
>  Trajan
> Tennent
> 
> 
> 
> 



   

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Re: Neville Please add to the CLS

[glenda Goodman]

Sherry, Our thoughts and love go to Neville and our
hopes, love and prayers go to Nova. All kitties are
special and deserve to be remembered. Thank you for
all the love, help and respect you give these little
guys. Thinking of you all in Nebraska, Glenda
--- Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am sorry and saddened to say that Jen had to let
> poor Neville go tonight.I got to say good bye to him
> earlier.He was one of our Hurricane Katrina cats. My
> nick name for him was Slim Shady.He was a very odd
> and exotic looking boy.
>   Also could you add Nova to your prayers,she is
> having problems now too.She is a feisty beast with
> major attitude but we love them ALL. THanks so much
>   Sherry
> 
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Re: Sylvester died at home this morning

[glenda Goodman]

Tracy,
 I'm so sorry. It never fails to make me cry when I
read these posts...It seems like each one of the
little guys has their own special way of saying
goodbye to us and it always seems like they are also
thanking those people who stuck by them and loved them
so much. 
I know he was special. One thing about loving a cat is
you can never regret it...Love from us here in
Nebraska. 
Glenda
--- Tracy Weese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My giant (well, he used to be) ol' farm cat died
> this morning at home.
> 
> Sylvester came off a farm where I take care of a
> dwindling (thanks to TNR) cat colony.  He got very
> sick about 2 years ago and I took him to the
> vet...of course it was more than being sick, he had
> FeLV+.  So he came home with my other cats (I had
> few other positives then, after today down to two
> now and soon to be one-CW is anemic and fading,
> too).
> 
> He was big when I got him, about 16 pounds despite
> being so ill.  After many  at the vets' and then
> living at home, he was up to 22 lbs!  He stayed
> pretty healthy for about 1 year and  4 months (he
> was probably 7 when I got him).  He always had a
> little cough the vets thought was asthma (and yes,
> we checked and re-checked this).  But recently, he
> was not the same, more coughing, high fever, not
> eatingturns out his blood counts were all
> haywire.  Low RBC, Low white count and low
> plateletsthe antibiotics for the fever made his
> tummy hurt, too.  So at the vet yesterday I asked if
> it was time to let him go (he lost 2 lbs in a week),
> the vet didn't think so bec. of course, he perked up
> at the vets' and purred and pranced...He got a
> vitamin B12 shot and his very first steroid shot
> (yes, we discussed that steriods in a FeLV+ cat were
> a last resort).  When we got home, he had a good
> night.  He ate some, and hung out with me and the
> others (he had been staying under the bed except
> when I would drag him out for meds).  He even played
> some and tried to squeeze into a tiny box like he
> used to.
> 
> This morning I awoke to a few sounds of slight
> distresshe was sleeping under the bed again
> (actually, the cats tore the bottom fabric of the
> box springs and he would sleep inside the box
> springs).  I reached down and touched him and told
> him I was there and then went to get a carrier to go
> to the vet.  In the seconds it took for me to run
> downstairs and get the carrier and come back up, he
> was gone.
> 
> I had to cut the rest of the fabric to get him since
> he would lay furtherst from the opening.  I pulled
> him out and he was still, he looked very
> peaceful--no signs of struggle on him or under the
> bed.
> 
> This is the very first cat I have had that died at
> home (and I have a cabinet full of cremated
> remains)...it was not terrible, but I did not plan
> it.  Last night was so good for him, I guess he had
> only one last good night in him.
> 
> He died with me nearby and in the place he felt
> safest, under the bed.  I took him to the vets' so
> he can be cremated.
> I don't think he suffered but a few short seconds if
> that.  I gave him permission several days ago to
> leave if he needed to, I guess he needed to go
> today.
> 
> Although I will miss him, several of my other cats
> will not.  He was a gentle giant, but a few of my
> smaller cats  terrorized him if they got the chance.
>  He never struck out first and usually retreated,
> but he was always a sweetie to people.
> 
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Re: Howlong? was : Question about eye ulcers

[glenda Goodman]

Wendy and Susan, my little gurus, You guys , I trust
more than any vet...so here is my question:
Which is worse for a kitty, to contact the FeLV virus
through the mother as a kitten or to be exposed later
in life?
 I think I know the answer.It is better to be
exposed later in life, right? About what might the
percentages be for a kitten throwing the virus if it
came through the queen? 
 My little girl became infected through her mom...I
continue to live on a little bit of hope she could
throw it some day, but I am trying to steel myself
that I could lose her in a couple years...Right now
she is a bundle of energy and just so incredible as
cats go...She is about 6-months old...
(This is an open question, but since I had both of
these guys here, thought I'd ask...)
Thanks, Glenda

--- Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Great advice, Wendy, great advice.
> 
> Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
> www.shadowcats.net
>   "As Cleopatra lay
> in state,
>Faithful Bast at
> her side did wait,
>Purring welcomes
> of soft applause,
>Ever guarding
> with sharpened claws."
>  Trajan
> Tennent
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: wendy 
>   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>   Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:35 PM
>   Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers
> 
> 
>   Michael,
> 
>   There is such a range that I would not even say
> 2-3 years.  I would say that the younger the cat,
> the more likely (but not necessarily a lot more
> likely) they will pass in the first year or third,
> but that is only based on trends I've seen here, no
> specific research.  This does not include cats that
> throw the virus, which your cats could do.  They say
> it's more likely for the cat to throw the virus
> within 3-6 months, but we've seen them become
> negative after years, which is always a joy to see,
> though rare.  About 30-40% of cats throw the virus
> after exposure.  Adult cats are much less likely to
> get the virus, which might explain why your younger
> one may have picked the virus up when he was a
> kitten (I hope I have that right).  My Cricket was
> diagnosed when he was 2.5 years old; I am 85% sure
> he got it in utero from his mom.  He died at 4.5
> years.  He only got sick 3 weeks before he died with
> anemia, that I feel would not have happened without
> the stress of 10 extra people living in our home for
> a week during the hurricane.  He could still be here
> had he not been stressed, I don't know.  Then,
> there's the cat at Best Friends that is 22  We
> had one here live to 16 years old.  I forget whose
> kitty it was.  There is another that lived to nine. 
> There is just no way to tell the life expectancy,
> but I will say this.  If you have your cat on immune
> boosters, a great diet, and no stress while they are
> asymptomatic, and are loving them well, making them
> feel good, I really, really believe that extends the
> life expectancy more than we realize.  You might do
> an archive search on the word 'years' and see posts
> that tell how old their kitty was when they died. 
> I'm not sure if you can do a Boolean search, like
> years + death, but it might be possible.  I wouldn't
> get any date stuck in your head though.  Positive
> thoughts all the way!
> 
>   :)
>   Wendy
>
>   "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
> is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret
> Meade ~~~
> 
> 
> 
>   - Original Message 
>   From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>   Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:15:01 PM
>   Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers
> 
> 
>   Ok, guys, since I'm feeling particularly sad
> tonight about my babies, let me ask this...
> 
>   How long have you all known of a cat surviving
> after FeLV+ diagnosis?
> 
>   I know the standard is, according to almost
> everyone, 2-3 years after diagnosis, but I'm sure
> some of you all have had experiences with cats
> living longer?
> 
>   Just curious what everyone's experiences have
> been.
> 
> 
>   Michael
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: To Glenda: Re: Procrit

[glenda Goodman]

Wendy, 
Thank you!
 Anyway, I just picked up something called:
LIXOTINIC,ODD LOTS (30ml) from my vet. It is supposed
to be iron with vitamins, I think ? I am to give my
cat 2ml once a day...I have a two week supply. I will
have my cat go through the usual tests in the next
couple weeks. I do want to say, I just shot the first
dose down his throat and it went so fast he did not
even know what happened. This is the cat that foams at
the mouth when he is given a pill and 90% of the time
manages to spit it out. I really like giving him
things in liquid form with the syringe. 
Beckie might want to try something like this on Moe,
just to make sure she is getting as much supplement as
possible down him. I think she found pillpockets
helpful, but nothing could beat what I just pulled on
my cat Dingo, the pro at fighting off his
meds...Glenda
--- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Let me clarify:  Usually Prednisolone is used for
> anemia and maybe Winstrol after the initial
> diagnosis.  If it doesn't work, then other
> drugs/procedures are considered.
> 
>  
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
> is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade
> ~~~
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:04:08 PM
> Subject: To Glenda: Re: Procrit
> 
> 
> Glenda, 
> 
> I think Procrit is the same as Epogen, but not
> completely sure, and it can still be purchased. 
> Usually when people use Procrit for their animals,
> it is the only thing left that will help the anemia,
> so they choose to save their animal rather than just
> let them go, and deal with any after effects later,
> if any.  I didn't want you to think it's not
> something you can use in the future if one of your
> kitties needs it.  Usually Prednisolone is used for
> anemia and maybe Winstrol.
> 
> :)
> Wendy 
> 
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
> is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade
> ~~~
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:52:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty?
> long letter- sorry butplease indulge
> 
> 
> Wow! Thanks! I had the animal medical suppy place
> trying to find this stuff for me under iron
> supplements...no wonder they could not pull it up. I
> guess if my vet does not hurry and get back to me in
> the next hour I will be off to buy some human iron
> supplement. My cat Dingo does not do pills well at
> all, so will have to give with a dropper. He also
> has
> always been a dainty eater...can't stick it in
> tuna...He has really been turning his nose up lately
> and I am realizing I have an emergency on my
> hands...If it were not for this list I might not
> have
> noticed...
> Thanks, Pat, for setting me straight as to
> Procrit...Glenda
> --- Pat Kachur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I have seen a lot of ads for Procrit - it is a
> drug
> > used to help people 
> > undergoing chemo and whose white cells have been
> > compromised.  There are 
> > some lawsuits filed against the manufacturer from
> > people who say they have 
> > been hurt by the drug.
> > Come to think of it--haven't seen the ads for a
> > couple of months after 
> > seeing them almost every day for a while.
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "glenda Goodman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 5:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty?
> > long letter- sorry 
> > butplease indulge
> > 
> > 
> > > Beckie, You are such a bright little light here
> > and I
> > > feel so sad to know you are hurting and your
> sweet
> > > little Moeman might be fading away. You have
> > learned a
> > > lot for the time you have been here. I know I
> have
> > on
> > > just how to take care of our little guys better
> > and
> > > signs to look for. I have been checking all my
> > > kittie's gums this morning and just like I
> > suspected,
> > > my old guy, Dingo, he is 13 years old, and has
> > seemed
> > > out of sorts lately, has very pale gums. He is
> not
> > > FeLV+ or FIV+ that I know of ,but I will have
> him
> > > tested and for now am trying to get a good iron
> > > supplement. I 

Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge

[glenda Goodman]

Wow! Thanks! I had the animal medical suppy place
trying to find this stuff for me under iron
supplements...no wonder they could not pull it up. I
guess if my vet does not hurry and get back to me in
the next hour I will be off to buy some human iron
supplement. My cat Dingo does not do pills well at
all, so will have to give with a dropper. He also has
always been a dainty eater...can't stick it in
tuna...He has really been turning his nose up lately
and I am realizing I have an emergency on my
hands...If it were not for this list I might not have
noticed...
Thanks, Pat, for setting me straight as to
Procrit...Glenda
--- Pat Kachur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have seen a lot of ads for Procrit - it is a drug
> used to help people 
> undergoing chemo and whose white cells have been
> compromised.  There are 
> some lawsuits filed against the manufacturer from
> people who say they have 
> been hurt by the drug.
> Come to think of it--haven't seen the ads for a
> couple of months after 
> seeing them almost every day for a while.
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "glenda Goodman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 5:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty?
> long letter- sorry 
> butplease indulge
> 
> 
> > Beckie, You are such a bright little light here
> and I
> > feel so sad to know you are hurting and your sweet
> > little Moeman might be fading away. You have
> learned a
> > lot for the time you have been here. I know I have
> on
> > just how to take care of our little guys better
> and
> > signs to look for. I have been checking all my
> > kittie's gums this morning and just like I
> suspected,
> > my old guy, Dingo, he is 13 years old, and has
> seemed
> > out of sorts lately, has very pale gums. He is not
> > FeLV+ or FIV+ that I know of ,but I will have him
> > tested and for now am trying to get a good iron
> > supplement. I wrote down :Procrit ? Who was it
> that
> > said they gave that to a kitty and it helped with
> the
> > anemia? It was just in a recent post... I am
> asking my
> > vet about what it is and can I have some right
> now...
> > I just left a message for my vet...Anyway, thanks
> to
> > these guys here, I know a lot more than I did a
> couple
> > months ago.
> > Do not give up fighting, but I do not believe in
> > stressing our guys out either.I think you probably
> > have a good idea where Moeman is at this point and
> if
> > he is getting weaker and you have tried through
> > supplements, etc. you have done all you can...just
> > love him.
> > I absolutely loved Jenna's letter to you. What a
> > beautiful, thoughtful gift from her and her
> husband to
> > share their experience with you...I will be
> keeping
> > that letter for myself, for when I will be needing
> > that precious support, that can only come from
> people
> > who really understand...
> > My heart is with you and Moeman...Glenda
> > --- Jenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in
> my
> >> prayers.
> >>
> >>   It feels odd to write about this now as my
> husband
> >> and i were crying remembering our beloved siamese
> >> calico lady. This is my experience and I hope it
> >> helps you.
> >>
> >>   My baby died at home. That was important to me,
> >> and i wanted it that way though my husband was
> very
> >> caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable
> >> and not with people she was afraid of and being
> >> stressed out. I have seen people go kicking and
> >> screaming and while in trauma that might be more
> >> beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it
> makes
> >> it harder. So after that experience (this was
> with
> >> my grandmother) I told myself that if this
> happened
> >> with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and
> >> peaceful. There is a line from the nbc show Heros
> >> where Peter the hospice nurse says, "death can be
> >> beautiful, if you let it be." Though most may
> reject
> >> this statement because it is not something most
> want
> >> to think about, I can say that I do agree with
> it.
> >> It doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it
> easier
> >> for me to deal with.
> >>
> >>   She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She
> >> didn't purr and did not want to be held. In her
> >> prime she was very talkative and lov

Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry but please indulge

[glenda Goodman]

Beckie, You are such a bright little light here and I
feel so sad to know you are hurting and your sweet
little Moeman might be fading away. You have learned a
lot for the time you have been here. I know I have on
just how to take care of our little guys better and
signs to look for. I have been checking all my
kittie's gums this morning and just like I suspected,
my old guy, Dingo, he is 13 years old, and has seemed
out of sorts lately, has very pale gums. He is not
FeLV+ or FIV+ that I know of ,but I will have him
tested and for now am trying to get a good iron
supplement. I wrote down :Procrit ? Who was it that
said they gave that to a kitty and it helped with the
anemia? It was just in a recent post... I am asking my
vet about what it is and can I have some right now...
I just left a message for my vet...Anyway, thanks to
these guys here, I know a lot more than I did a couple
months ago.
Do not give up fighting, but I do not believe in
stressing our guys out either.I think you probably
have a good idea where Moeman is at this point and if
he is getting weaker and you have tried through
supplements, etc. you have done all you can...just
love him. 
I absolutely loved Jenna's letter to you. What a
beautiful, thoughtful gift from her and her husband to
share their experience with you...I will be keeping
that letter for myself, for when I will be needing
that precious support, that can only come from people
who really understand...
My heart is with you and Moeman...Glenda  
--- Jenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in my
> prayers.
>
>   It feels odd to write about this now as my husband
> and i were crying remembering our beloved siamese
> calico lady. This is my experience and I hope it
> helps you.
>
>   My baby died at home. That was important to me,
> and i wanted it that way though my husband was very
> caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable
> and not with people she was afraid of and being
> stressed out. I have seen people go kicking and
> screaming and while in trauma that might be more
> beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it makes
> it harder. So after that experience (this was with
> my grandmother) I told myself that if this happened
> with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and
> peaceful. There is a line from the nbc show Heros
> where Peter the hospice nurse says, "death can be
> beautiful, if you let it be." Though most may reject
> this statement because it is not something most want
> to think about, I can say that I do agree with it.
> It doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it easier
> for me to deal with.
>
>   She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She
> didn't purr and did not want to be held. In her
> prime she was very talkative and loved being held
> and paraded around our apartment. Eventually she
> stopped her toilet activiites- which actually was a
> relief because she had a lot of blood (stool was a
> dark tar color) in it and that was very tough. I
> started having a feeling that it was going to be on
> sunday because i started getting a song in my head
> about a relationship ending that is from Aspects of
> love by Andrew Lloyd Weber. The song is "Tell me on
> a sunday." 
>
>   "Don't write a letter when you want to leave
> Don't call me at 3 a.m. from a friend's apartment
> I'd like to choose how I hear the news
> Take me to a park that's covered with trees
> Tell me on a Sunday please
>
>   Don't leave in silence with no word at all
> Don't get drunk and slam the door
> That's no way to end this
> I know how I want you to say goodbye
> Find a circus ring with a flying trapeze
> Tell me on a Sunday please"
>
>   That day - on sunday- she was in the bathroom and
> she was breating very heavy. Her eyes were very
> diated. I bent down around her and sang her
> Complainte De La Butte from Moulin Rouge. For the 
> first time all weekend she raised her head and
> looked at me. She purred so loud. I told her I loved
> her and if she wanted to go it was okay. I got a
> feeling that she understood. 
>
>   The song goes:
>   "Petite mandigotte je sens ta menotte qui cherche
> ma main
> Je sens ta poitrine et ta taille fine
> J'oublie mon chagrin
> Je sens sur tes lèvres une odeur de fièvre de gosse
> mal nourri
> Et sous ta caresse je sens une ivresse qui
> m'anéantit
>   The stairways up to la butte can make the wretched
> sigh
> while windmill wings of the moulin shelter you and
> I"
>
>   I sang to her for about 15 minutes and pet her,
> even though I could feel each vertebrate of her
> little back bone. She did not shy away that time. 
>
>   I went back to the living room and laid down, but
> didnt' sleep. It was exhausting. My husband went
> into the bathroom and stayed a long time. I knew he
> was talking with her. When he was done, I could see
> he had been crying. 
>
>   When i woke up I sat at my computer. About 20
> minutes later my dog, Carmel got very whiney an

Re: Update

[glenda Goodman]

Michael, 
There is nothing I can say that has not been said. We
all feel so badly for you and your family. I'm just so
glad, that from the moment you got the first positive
test, you were up for the fight. I'm just sitting back
feeling so grateful there are such great , well
informed people here, that are very up to date on the
latest and best ways to deal with this disease.
The day I was told by my vet, a couple months ago,
that my cat's test came back positive, is the same day
I found these guys. I was on the computer about
10-hours that day, trying to learn everything I
could...looking for that little shred of hope...It is
an awful feeling. I venture to guess, the way I found
these guys, is the same way most of us found this
group, that one horrible day, when the bottom fell
out...but there is hope, in many different forms, as
you are learning...Bless your heart! Your little guys
are very lucky to have you in their corner! 
Glenda 
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>  
> Ok, guys, here's the status.   I just called the
> vet's office,  they told me 
> both Poppy and Grizzabella's tests came back
> positive today.   I guess what I 
> need to do now is figure out what to do from here. 
> I did  ask about UT, and 
> she just sort of side-stepped the question.  I also
> asked  what happened to Dr. 
> Merryman, and the only thing she would tell me was
> "She's  not here anymore 
> and I don't know what she's doing." So, needless to
> say, I  think I'm done with 
> this vet's office.
>  
> I'm pretty sure I can get a referral to UT, so I
> guess that's the next  step, 
> both of them are headed there as soon as I can get
> the referrals.  I  tried 
> the echinacea and lysine supplements, but none of
> them have felt well  enough 
> to eat since their vaccines yesterday, so I'll try
> it again when they're  
> feeling better. If they don't take it.  I'm a bit
> upset right now, so I'm  gonna 
> leave it at that guys, til I have a little time to
> calm down.  I'm  open to 
> suggestions as to what I should do next.   
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
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Re: OT: Success with Rescue Cat

[glenda Goodman]

Absolutely amazing! How absolutely cool! This is one
lucky cat to have gotten so much help! I loved this
story...Glenda
--- Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


-
Okay, since there's been lots of debate and dare I
say, controversy, over the Malnourished Rescue Cat my
mom and I took in and have been caring for, I wanted
everyone to know that she is GOING HOME and we have
successfully reunited her with her family.
 
Long story short, we pretty much took EVERYONE'S
advice and tried a variety of tactics (as I previously
mentioned-- signs posted, I posted on websites, etc.).
 As I had mentioned, from the Rabies tag, all we were
able to obtain is the telephone number and street name
(not number) of the "owner" and the name of the cat-
"Nosey."  My mom and I pretty much sat on it for a
while since by then, we'd already taken her to the Vet
and started her on Clavamox and she needed so much
rehabilitation anyway.  We tried to decide what to do
and we just hated the idea of totally cold call to
this number...not knowing ANYTHING about the person
and whether they were a good owner.
 
We are almost finished with the Clavamox and have
finished one tube of Terramycin and Nosey is still
exhibiting Upper Respiratory Infection symptoms, thus
my mom said we have to either: 1) take her back to the
vet this week, as needs more care, or 2) call the
owners and make sure they take her to the vet.
 
Since I had the owner phone number, I FINALLY
remembered that the Whitepages.com has this handy tab
where you can do a "reverse look-up"- using the phone
number...it will give you a name and address.  Bingo! 
I got the street address we'd been wanting, which also
provided me with the NAMES of the two people living
there  So, then I of course googled their
names...and low and behold, one of them is a Partner
at a law firm here and of course, my mouth dropped
open (I am a lawyer too- and although this is a big
city, it's a SMALL legal community), thus I knew I had
to contact her at that point.  I also knew she could
definitely afford the vet bill Nosey incurred (they
live on very "rich" street- I know that sounds weird,
but the property value of the houses on that street is
ridiculous).  Anyway, I feel like the ultimate pet
detective, seriously.  Sometimes I think all I need in
life is google and the white or yellowpages.com!!!
 
 
My mom and I discussed it and I decided to send her an
email at her firm's email address from my work email,
so she would know where I work and that I am an
attorney too.  I took the initial vague route first
(as was discussed on this list serve)...to feel her
out, etc.  She replied and said it's their cat and
they looked for her for weeks and weeks, but didn't
check online sites (which she apologized for) and
asked when they could come get her.  After another
consult with my mom, my mom wanted me to send her
another email where I "socked it to her" with the
malnutrition, that she would have died if we hadn't
taken her in, she went to the vet and this and that
was done and the bill is this amount, we've been
feeding her this & that, she needs to go back to the
vet because the URI is still lingering, I advise she
go back and get this treatment (a  full blood panel to
check liver/kidney function, fecal for tapeworms,
etc.).  AND then I asked if she was outdoor/indoor cat
and said if so, I recommend she NOT be an outdoor cat
because she does not fair well outside, she has this
URI that won't go away, and she's deathly afraid of
storms and if she is out when one comes, she will run
and hide.  WHEW!  All that.  I also apologized for
hitting her with all this at once and at work and
admitted that I wanted to feel her out initially
before I admitted that we had the cat in our house and
have done intensive care/rehabbing.  
 
She responded really well!!!  She gave me info about
Nosey's background- they've had Nosey since birth and
she lives with her Mother and Brother cats.  They are
mostly outside cats because they live on a large piece
of property with a covered porch.  She said the cats
seldom go beyond the immediate neighbors (who love
them), but the mother cat became an indoor cat a few
years ago when she developed a URI!!!  So, hopefully,
now that poor Nosey has one that she can't seem to
shake, they will make her an indoor cat now (which I
did press upon her).  She said they will compensate us
for the care we did, thanked us, and said they will
continue with further vet care for Nosey.  
 
We are going to try to connect tonight to do the
hand-off.  My mom and I both really happy that we've
had a great result, but I have to admit that it took
some "detecting" on my part, as we weren't going to
turn this cat over to the great unknown!  I will never
know how Nosey got one mile away from her home, and in
so doing, she had to have crossed one of the busiest
state roads in Louisville (4 lanes of non-stop busy
traffic, 45 mph speed limit) to get to our
neighborhood??

Re: New Diagnosis

[glenda Goodman]

Michael,  Good job! You are what this website is all
about!  The very best to you and your cats! 
Glenda
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Thanks guys.  I stopped on my way home from work and
> picked up some  Lysine 
> and Echinacea, I'm going to start putting it in
> their food.  I also  got some 
> high protein purina naturals food to replace their
> cat chow indoor  formula, 
> and I'll step up to proplan or iams or something if
> I need  to.  I also plan on 
> sanitizing all the feeding bowls and drinkwell 
> fountain daily.  After 
> speaking with the former fosters and the state 
> coordinator for VA SRC, I think this 
> is the best plan for now.  I'll keep  you all
> updated once I get a real 
> diagnosis from the tests they sent off  today.
>  
> Michael
> 
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Re: Please talk to me

[glenda Goodman]

Angela,
 What wonderful news! It made my day!
Please stick around and keep learning from these guys.
There is usually something helpful every day or two
that makes us better cat parents...Although you have
3-months before a retesting and everything will
probably be just dandy, there is nothing wrong with
keeping their immune systems boosted during the
waiting period. Just so you know you are completely on
top of things from minute one. 
Thank you for that bright spot yesterday! 
Take care, Glenda
--- Angela Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> To all who have hellped me thru this day...
>   Thank you for your support and encouraging words.
> We just got back from the Vet's office, with Ripley
> and Sherman, the SNAP test came back NEG!! We
> are going to retest in 3 months. 
>
>   The Vet said the only difference in the 2 tests
> (SNAP verses IFA) is the accuracy is a little higher
> with the IFA. Both tests are in the 90 percent
> range.
> 
>
>   God bless all!
>   Ang
> Sally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> HI Angela
>
>   This sounds exactly like what happened to my
> Pumpkin. What may be different is that Pumpkins was
> hiding the fact he was not eating. Although I did
> figure it out. His gums were exactly as you
> described he spent two nights at the vet hospital
> with fluids and IV Baytril. He crashed the second
> night. I imagine much like your baby did. His spirit
> was gone when I arrived to visit him that morning.
> They had cleaned him up and he was cold. I felt so
> bad that I did not see his symptoms sooner. I had
> him euthanized. Cats are good at hiding there
> symptoms. I had another cat who was sick at the same
> time and being treated for anemia by a different
> vet. This was due to the fact he had been hit by a
> car several months earlier and that was the only
> available vet who could see him in a hurry. 
>
>   Now I was worried Junior's condition was more
> serious. I took him back in that week and though he
> looked fine he had a fever of 106.5. The kept him
> hydrated him and called me to say they wanted to to
> a FELV test. He has tested neg that same year. It
> came back positive. I had 11 cats at that time. Two
> more tested positive. One also had been sickly had
> FIV as well. He had been adopted from a shelter. I
> was in panic mode last fall. The group kept me
> going. I lost Tiny from unrelated cause he died very
> suddenly last Christmas. Lionel, my felv/fiv cat 
> was also PTS he was not well. 
>
>   Good news Junior is stable and he had a very rough
> go but is fine now other than his pos status. He
> gets immune booster like the group says.
>
>   Sally 
> 
>  
>   On 8/21/07, Angela Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote: Susan,
>Boy was not good, at all, last night. He went
> down hill very fast. He was fine last Thursday, then
> Friday we moved, I thought he just was 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Joy Please add to the CLS :(

[glenda Goodman]

Sherry,
 Thank you for all you do for these sweet little guys
and thank you for letting the world take note of them
at their passing. 
Each and every one of them are incredibly special. Any
one of them could have been one of our beloved cats.
They deserve to be mourned by all of us who love cats.
I'm sure Spencer and Joy are together in a beautiful
place free of all their sadness and pain, with all the
other wonderful little souls that have been lost by
each of us at one time or another. Thank you again for
all you give to these sweet little guys.
Sending our love, Glenda and family 
--- Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Here we go again,sweet beautiful Joy a tortie that
> loved giving you kisses on your face passed away
> today while under to be checked out,she was going
> down hill and had fiv and felv.She was the first
> kitty that I noticed in the window when I drove up
> to check it out before starting my volunteering.I
> will miss that sweet tortie girl.
>   Sherry
> 
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RE: website for Lost/Found cats-TO WENDY

[glenda Goodman]

You are right! I know one should never let emotion get
in the way of logic. Caroline needs to go to every
length to find the owner...then she needs to deal with
the situation from there. I guess after feeling so
happy and excited for this little cat I am just scared
for her going into a bad situation...Besides, who
would be better to this little cat than Caroline? I
cannot imagine...guess I was just thinking of the
cat...Glenda
--- Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sorry--if it were my cat that got out and somebody
> found it in poor shape
> weeks later and chose not to call me cause they made
> judgments about me, I'd
> be furious.
> 
> Christiane Biagi
> 914-632-4672
> Cell:  914-720-6888
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  
> Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART)
> www.findkpets.org
>  
> Join Us & Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families
> with their Animals
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of glenda Goodman
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 1:32 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: RE: website for Lost/Found cats-TO WENDY
> 
> Caroline, You have been through Hell and back with
> this cat. I know maybe it was not that particular
> cat
> you might have gone out and picked out of the
> hundreds
> available from the shelters where you are and you
> were
> not really looking or even ready for anyone after
> your
> precious Monkee, but after reading your posts and
> all
> your efforts and struggles and progress with this
> cat,
> all I can say is please just add the frosting to the
> cake...Name her! and give her the security she
> deserves...I do not care who the owners are...If I
> were the owner and loved her to death, I'd want her
> to
> be with you, if you might want her. Nothing is more
> rewarding than getting something that is all beat up
> and sad and polishing it up and making it happy. If
> I
> did not believe that I would not be crying right
> now,
> thinking about how I never got the chance to do that
> for that cat Marmalade that I will honestly never
> forget. The loss of him to me was huge. At this
> point
> I think you will always worry about THIS CAT and I
> think for you and your mom it would be best to keep
> her in your family. A lot of people will probably
> write and hate me for telling you this, but this is
> how I see it. Bless you and your mom and that kitty!
> 
> Glenda
> --- Caroline Kaufmann
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> -
> 
> Susan:
> 
> I am sorry about the fire and that you are still
> missing two cats.  That is heartbreaking.  You have
> been in my thoughts over the past few weeks.
> 
> As explanation, well, it's complicated.  We found
> her
> about three weeks ago (Aug. 4) and that was about
> the
> time of your fire so you missed out on my posts
> about
> my "Malnourished Rescue Cat."  She was in HORRIBLE
> shape when we found her and that is part of the
> problem.  If she was kept as an outdoor cat, or even
> outdoor/indoor, she should not have been.  Some cats
> are just not "meant" to be outdoor cats and I have
> owned enough in my mere 30 years to be able to
> recognize that.  There is an outdoor colony of cats
> that are owned by a lady up the street from me who
> live outdoors...they "prefer" it and they do quite
> well.  The whole neighborhood looks out after them
> and
> a bunch of us feed them.  But my point is, these
> cats
> are true outdoor cats, this cat, is not.  
> 
> She had to have weighed under 5 pounds when we found
> her and she is not a young cat...the vet
> approximated
> 3-5 years old, more on the higher end.  We've had
> her
> in a room feeding her Wellness kitten wet and dry
> food, to which I was adding Colostrum, Rescue
> Remedy,
> L-Lysine, Brewer's Yeast, Salmon Oil (but not all at
> once), and tons and tons of Nutrical, as my mom and
> I
> were worried about her liver and kidney function
> because of her severe malnutrition.  I have never
> seen
> a cat this malnourished.  Our neighbor who had been
> feeding her (clearly not enough) said she'd been
> hanging out in the neighborhood at least 3 weeks. 
> She
> looked horrible.  She's long-haired, but she had
> dander and her collar was on way too tight-- it was
> frayed and shabby looking and it had rubbed all the
> fur off her neck where it had been.  The only tag on
> the collar was a rabies tag.  The vet listed on the
> tag had closed his offices and it took a while
> before
> we were able to reach them for them to give us the
> owner's phone number.  

RE: website for Lost/Found cats-TO WENDY

[glenda Goodman]

Caroline, You have been through Hell and back with
this cat. I know maybe it was not that particular cat
you might have gone out and picked out of the hundreds
available from the shelters where you are and you were
not really looking or even ready for anyone after your
precious Monkee, but after reading your posts and all
your efforts and struggles and progress with this cat,
all I can say is please just add the frosting to the
cake...Name her! and give her the security she
deserves...I do not care who the owners are...If I
were the owner and loved her to death, I'd want her to
be with you, if you might want her. Nothing is more
rewarding than getting something that is all beat up
and sad and polishing it up and making it happy. If I
did not believe that I would not be crying right now,
thinking about how I never got the chance to do that
for that cat Marmalade that I will honestly never
forget. The loss of him to me was huge. At this point
I think you will always worry about THIS CAT and I
think for you and your mom it would be best to keep
her in your family. A lot of people will probably
write and hate me for telling you this, but this is
how I see it. Bless you and your mom and that kitty! 
Glenda
--- Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


-

Susan:

I am sorry about the fire and that you are still
missing two cats.  That is heartbreaking.  You have
been in my thoughts over the past few weeks.

As explanation, well, it's complicated.  We found her
about three weeks ago (Aug. 4) and that was about the
time of your fire so you missed out on my posts about
my "Malnourished Rescue Cat."  She was in HORRIBLE
shape when we found her and that is part of the
problem.  If she was kept as an outdoor cat, or even
outdoor/indoor, she should not have been.  Some cats
are just not "meant" to be outdoor cats and I have
owned enough in my mere 30 years to be able to
recognize that.  There is an outdoor colony of cats
that are owned by a lady up the street from me who
live outdoors...they "prefer" it and they do quite
well.  The whole neighborhood looks out after them and
a bunch of us feed them.  But my point is, these cats
are true outdoor cats, this cat, is not.  

She had to have weighed under 5 pounds when we found
her and she is not a young cat...the vet approximated
3-5 years old, more on the higher end.  We've had her
in a room feeding her Wellness kitten wet and dry
food, to which I was adding Colostrum, Rescue Remedy,
L-Lysine, Brewer's Yeast, Salmon Oil (but not all at
once), and tons and tons of Nutrical, as my mom and I
were worried about her liver and kidney function
because of her severe malnutrition.  I have never seen
a cat this malnourished.  Our neighbor who had been
feeding her (clearly not enough) said she'd been
hanging out in the neighborhood at least 3 weeks.  She
looked horrible.  She's long-haired, but she had
dander and her collar was on way too tight-- it was
frayed and shabby looking and it had rubbed all the
fur off her neck where it had been.  The only tag on
the collar was a rabies tag.  The vet listed on the
tag had closed his offices and it took a while before
we were able to reach them for them to give us the
owner's phone number.  The cat also had a severe upper
respiratory infection and when we put her in a
carrier, her eyes were weeping all down her face with
green discharge and she sneezed all the time.  I
immediately started treating her eyes with Terramycin
and we've already gone thru one tube.  She had fleas,
but she had no energy to scratch at them.  We took her
in because that weekend (of Aug. 4) was going to be
the hottest ever (100's+) and I did not think she
would have survived outside and I know I was right. 
My mom thought she might die that weekend at her
house.  We just worked on feeding her and getting her
digestive system working again before we took her to a
vet almost a week later.  We got her on Clavamox.

She's much better now, but her infection is not
completely gone; the hair hasn't grown back on her
neck; she's ridiculously happy and I have never seen a
cat so clearly enjoy the air conditioning as she does.
 You can still feel the bones sticking out on her
body, but her stomach is filling out.

We also discovered today, due to the storm, that she
deathly afraid of storms...she's been hiding under the
bed and nervously looking at the window.  It's kind of
broken my mom's heart and she is just extremely
worried about the owners in this situation because the
cat was in such bad shape and clearly didn't know how
to take care of herself while outside.  I don't think
she was able to eat anything (not a hunter--
clearly!), unless given to her by human.  

We just have some major concerns here and don't want
to have spent all this time, energy (I have to go to
my mom's everyday after work to treat the cat with
Clavamox because my mom can't do it and that keeps me
away from other things I need to do, my own foster
cat, and th

Re: Please talk to me/Angela

[glenda Goodman]

Laurie,
 I just have a couple questions: Did Squeaky and
Stripes have the FeLV virus for many years and
survive? If so maybe both were just carriers? The fact
Stripes lived to age 16, even with illnesses during
that time, is still amazing. 
As for the heart problems you have been facing:
Many years ago I had a kitty that was diagnoised with
a heart problem...forgot the name of it, where the
heart is enlarged, and fluid builds up in the
lungs...Well this I think may have been a genetic
condition ? I still do not know...
 At the time I tried to read up on all I could and saw
where sometimes huge doses of taurine helped save some
cats that might otherwise have succumbed to various
heart conditions...This was twenty years ago...I know
a lot has come to light since then. I'm sure there is
a lot of info online and I'm sure you have been neck
deep in it...
I guess it cannot hurt for all of us here to know a
little about everything when it comes to our
cats...The very best to you and Lucy...please keep us
posted regarding her progress and treatments.  
Thank you, Glenda

--- laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Angela, I am so sorryfor your loss, your pain
> and the uncertaintyI unexpectedly lost Keisha 5
> weeks ago. I didn't even know she was sick (not
> feline leukemia+). Now another of mine has a similar
> heart problem (not related and not
> contagious)somedays I am overwhelmed...I try to
> know that what I learned with Keisha will help me
> better care for Lucy.
> 
> a note of hope ~ I had two feline leuk positive
> boys. Squeaky was never sick during his first 22
> years. Stripes lived to 16 despite being sick on and
> off. We have finally figured out a protocol that is
> working for Isabella for now. She was sicker than
> the boys and came to us in May (years after the boys
> died). There is hope. If your kittys have feline
> leukemia, then it's plan B for treatment. Please try
> to breathe and know that they are in good hands and
> you can handle whatever comes your way. These
> kitties are put in our lives for a reason. ALLOW
> yourself to grieve and be mad and sad...it's all
> part of the process. 
> 
> My heart reaches to yours...right this moment...you
> and all 3 kitties are in my prayers.
> Safe journey to your Midnight. 
> One comfort I had from the sudden death of Keisha
> was she was giving me the gift of not having to
> watch her suffer over weeks or months and not having
> to make a tough decision for her someday.
> Godspeed,
> Laurie  
> 



  

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Angela and Midnight

[glenda Goodman]

Angela, 
My heart goes out to you. I am so sorry for your loss
of Midnight, for you and your family. 
Now, we must all hope for the best for your other
kitties. I can imagine how scared you are for them.
You maybe should believe this virus, I'm believing
FeLV, came from a source more recently, that only
affected Midnight. Remember too, all the reports of
how healthy cats, if exposed, can throw the virus...If
your other cats were vaccinated your chances are very
good everyone will be all right. The vaccine is open
to debate though and thought to be 75%-85%
effective...I had read where the more recent improved
vaccines are a bit better yet.
Now is when people that have been in this a long time
and are very active and experienced with cats need to
tell come to your aid.  
Myself, I am still learning every day here. 
I am confused as to what is the better circumstance to
be in, having a kitty that contracted the FeLV virus
through the mother or having a kitten or adult cat 
just exposed to the virus? I do know the adult cats 
have a better chance of throwing the virus, than an
exposed kitten. What really got me confused is my vet
acted rather hopeful  about kittens that contracted
the  FeLV virus through the mother. Like there is  a
good chance to kick it... I think throwing FIV coming
through the mom is a lot easier than FeLV coming
through the mom. Maybe she got the two confused?  Then
I see people saying,with  just exposure there is  a
good chance of defeating the virus...Anyway, no matter
what, there is always hope...I think we all live on
hope every day to get us through to the next day. 
Your letter really moved me. It was short, but so
laced with your pain...I know we all know that awful
feeling...You will find a lot of very loving and
helpful people here... Be strong! 
Glenda 


   

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Re: Oh my Goodness!

[glenda Goodman]

Susan, 
What a beautiful description.
What beautiful things you are doing...I am so grateful
to know there are people as kind and thoughtful out
there, making things better for all our little guys. 
I have only one little FeLV+ girl, but hang on to
every word of advice and hope that comes from people,
like you, who are so experienced. You have it down,
that is for sure, when it comes to our cat buddies. 
They are all so amazing...What fascinates me, so much
about cats, is that they are so easy to read. They
have every emotion we have and no qualms about
displaying them. 
I am excited for Percy getting a new life with you.
Keep up the good work. 
Just thank you so much! 
Glenda- Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well, this morning my friend Julia brought over my
> new 
> fiv+ / felv+ kitty.
> 
> She was calling him "Oreo" since he is a tuxie, but
> that has to go.
> 
> She was just out of names, due to so many rescues
> this year.
> 
> I feel her pain. :(
> 
> Anyway, what do folks think about "Percy"?
> 
> For some reason when he came outta the carrier the
> name Percy came to mind.
> 
> Of course, as we all know, he will have several
> names before it's all over  :)
> 
> So far, no bloodshed in the felv+ suite.
> 
> My cats were appalled @ how he jumped outta the
> carrier and went straight for their breakfast, which
> was chicken & egg whipped souffle' w/ cheese from
> Elegant Medleys.Sprinkled w/ Lysine &
> Missing Link PF.. (hey, I would rather them eat
> something better, but the Elegant Medleys got
> started when Serenity was still w/ me. That's all
> she would eat along w/ baby food when she was dying.
> And it works)
> 
> Four bowls out, he ate 2, now I will have to put out
> 5 maybe 6 in the mornings.
> 
> He has the "big" head of a fiv+ tom cat.
> 
> But he is sweet as can be.
> 
> Miss Princess Naughty Lola peered @ him like he was
> an oversized insect, she did not want him to get to
> close to her feathery baby fine cream & chocolate
> furrage..
> 
> Miss Lillian, who actually came from the same
> hoarder as him, sniffed him but he was not allowed
> to sniff her, she growled.
> 
> Papillon is mad, hiding in the bathroom, but I think
> he will be ok, Percy is so passive.
> 
> Miss Ursula, my botiful doll faced
> Sealpoint, is hiding behind the couch, that is her
> comfort zone when she feels like she's being
> invaded.
> 
> Percy is just so happy to be outta a cage, he was in
> a cage by himself in Julia's dry storage
> building..
> 
> He is so people oriented, it must have been hard on
> him.
> 
> This was a good move, and thanks Diane for being
> supportive of me in making this decision yesterday.
> 
> Now you are up to date, will keep you posted on the
> latest happenings @ Chez Mew today..  :)
> 
> 
> Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
> www.shadowcats.net
>   "As Cleopatra lay
> in state,
>Faithful Bast at
> her side did wait,
>Purring welcomes
> of soft applause,
>Ever guarding
> with sharpened claws."
>  Trajan
> Tennent
> 
> 
> 
> 



  

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Re: OT Deer Hunters

[glenda Goodman]

Boy oh boy! For anyone offended by yesterday's posts
you need to read more carefully to catch the meaning
of what was being discussed...Susan and I were talking
about hunting FOR SPORT. I think everyone has a horror
story about their side of the subject that they side
with.( Let us not forget either, there are different
attitudes in different areas of the country...)
 Myself, one extreme example that sticks in my mind,
is some jerks on motor bikes here,  shot two deer near
an irrigation canel, cut off  the hind quarters of one
of the deer, and took off on their bikes. It was not a
pretty sight. I actually stumbled across it, while
hiking, and could figure out what happened by reading
the signs in the dirt. I do not think any serious ,
responsible hunters, who are decent, humble and really
adding to their family's ability to survive, would not
be upset about such people's attitude's either. Then
there are the people who just want a dead animal's
head on their wall. I do not like those guys either.
This is pretty much where we were going with this
yesterday.We wanted to offend those people... Then
again,us vegetarians can come across as a bit rude
sometimes and for my own snotty attitude, I sincerely
apologize. By the way, I really hate when my cat kills
FOR SPORT too. It is a lot different when a cat kills
a mouse for his dinner, than just for the sport of it
and goes to eat his Fancy Feast...But cats do not know
better and we love them anyway. People do know
better...
 Peace, 
Glenda   
--- Malone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> How judgmental we can be! My family has hunted all
> my life-it is a food
> source that we value and are thankful for. By the
> way my brother-in-law died
> 2 years ago this deer season of a massive heart
> attack. He was making sure
> that there would be food on the table for his
> children that winter. Nice to
> know that you feel he deserved that because he
> killed a food source no
> different than a cat killing a mouse.
> 
> 



   

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OT: A quiet day...

[glenda Goodman]

Hey Guys, 
Personally, I always enjoy seeing people who hurt
animals suffer. I noticed Susan was not getting a lot
of feedback on her slam on hunters... I felt like it
was a good topic for a quiet afternoon...
I thought it was understood ,the types we are talking
about, are the people who hunt for sport. To make
matters worse,these sorts often have their kids out
shooting guns too, by the time the little fellows are
able to pick one up. I have seen little kids who are
taught to be proud of killing soft furry, doe eyed
animals and gorgeous birds...The last thing on their
minds is eating what they kill. They would rather eat
Fruit Loops and go to Pizza Hut...Anyway, I  find that
type of parent and child training scary...Kids should
be taught to have compassion and to be kind to
creatures that are at their mercy... 
 On the other hand, I do try to respect the decision
of families that seek to add to their menus and
balance out their grocery budget by adding wild game
to their freezer. Things are not getting any easier
and times are probably getting a lot harder for a lot
of people who work very hard to make  a living. There
are probably other ways to stretch the food budget,
but it might take some imagination...a little extra
work... 
Sadly, the way the world is going, going out and
killing wildlife is something we did a hundred years
ago. It is not something we are going to be able to do
a hundred years from now...It is really out of date
already...but a lot of people do not know it yet...It
is a huge hype ,so someone can make money...
Our world is simply shrinking in its habitat for
animals as well as for people. It takes eight acres of
land to support each individual human being in the
world today.  Instead of people trying to shoot,
poison, stuff, and/or eat every animal they set their
eyes on, they need to come up with solutions on how to
get more bang out of each acre of land and to cherish
and protect all the other species of life. 
If we do not look at the big picture now, the picture
in fifty years will not include any wild animals at
all.  If deer populations get too large, maybe a form
of birth control might be in order?  Our deer can also
be affected by diseases that make eating their flesh
very undesirable...something to consider... so losing
them as a food commodity is not like a huge
sacrifice...
Unfortunately, man has screwed up the natural
processes that once kept our deer populations in check
and also limited the land mass our wild animals have
to live on... I mean, we do not go out and start
shooting people when the human population gets too
large, or, do we? Which opens up a whole new subject:
war...
Oh well, but let's not forget: animals have feelings
too and they have every positive emotion us humans
have. How would we feel if the roles were reversed?
How would you feel if you were a deer enjoying a nice
afternoon with your family and suddenly you were
attacked by crazy, out of control humans with bullets
or arrows that tore into your body or a family member
standing next to you?  Where is empathy in our world
today, folks?   
It is a shame vegetarianism is not for everyone,
because it is the most logical way to live today in
this over populated world and also the kindest way to
take care of our planet. A carefully planned
vegetarian diet is also the healthist choice for the
human body.  
One of the best places to go to learn about the
advantage of going vegetarian is peta.org 
Have a good day! Glenda


  

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Re: OT: deer hunters: Greater heart attack risk

[glenda Goodman]

 Well, let's see if there is anything else mean we can
say about those guys...I forgot about the gun in their
pants not working...
--- Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well, it's too bad that they just don't care about
> animals, except for their 
> "purebred" huntin' dog.
> 
> They just want something to hang on their wall to
> make up for "inadequacies" 
> they have "elsewhere", if ya catch my drift 
> :)
> 
> And don't get me started on "canned hunts"
> 
> Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
> www.shadowcats.net
>   "As Cleopatra lay
> in state,
>Faithful Bast at
> her side did wait,
>Purring welcomes
> of soft applause,
>Ever guarding
> with sharpened claws."
>  Trajan
> Tennent
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "laurieskatz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 10:04 AM
> Subject: Re: OT: deer hunters: Greater heart attack
> risk
> 
> 
> AGREE ...hiking, and photo taking would be, dare I
> say, spiritual.
> I have learned more from watching deer in my yard
> for years than any hunter
> learns from stalking and killing innocents.
> They ARE families. I have watched bucks play
> fighting with fawns and bucks
> grooming each other, does grooming each other. When
> a yearling was wounded
> by a bow hunter (she survived the wound through
> winter. Have not seen her
> for awhile now) a doe was comforting her...it
> brought tears to my eyes. They
> are so loving.
> L
> 
> 
> 
> 



   

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Re: OT: deer hunters: Greater heart attack risk

[glenda Goodman]

My take on this is most guys who hunt are fat cats who
eat a lot of meat and can afford to take hunting
trips...
This means, they often hold high end jobs, where they
sit at a desk all day. "Hunting" restores that need in
them to feel like real men. 
For starters, these out of shape creeps, need to
become VEGETARIANS and take it from there. People who
kill animals for sport have no soul. The types that
really are the most disgusting are the "hunters" that
"hunt"  for huge fees, in these fenced in parks, where
the animals are often retired zoo animals or old and
sick wildlife. Texas is full of these places. Too bad
the wildlife can't be armed with all the modern
weapons with scopes and lasers and things could be
reversed.How would these"hunters" like seeing their
mom or children murdered before their very eyes? 
Maybe "hunting" needs to be replaced by "hiking" and
people need to appreciate looking at our beautiful
wildlife enjoying their lives and feeling happy and
secure in our beautiful places? 
 Glenda 
--- Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> Found this very interesting.  Of course, I wonder if
> it has anything to do with your inner spirit knowing
> that it is not right to harm these beautiful animals
> and this is punishment for their ignorance.
> 
>
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070817/hl_nm/deer_risk_dc
> 
> 
> Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
> www.shadowcats.net
>   "As Cleopatra lay
> in state,
>Faithful Bast at
> her side did wait,
>Purring welcomes
> of soft applause,
>Ever guarding
> with sharpened claws."
>  Trajan
> Tennent
> 
> 
> 
> 



   

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Re: Benjamin Please add to the CLS :(

[glenda Goodman]

Sherry,
 I'm so sorry. 
All the attention and love you gave him had to have
made Benny happy. 
You are taking these kittie's pain on to yourself and
in the process replacing their pain with little pieces
of  joy, to make their days so much better.  
I'm comforted to know there are lovely people like you
out there working, so hard, to make the world a better
place. 
I'm sorry you are sad...Just know, what you are doing
is very appreciated!  
Thank you for letting us know. 
Glenda   
--- Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am writing this in tears,Benny was such a sweet
> sweet black kitty.He was just wasting away to
> nothing.I tried to get him to eat everytime I was
> there.Monday he ate many treats(which he lived for)
> and a bit of canned food.But he was down to 7 pounds
> from 14.We tried everything and Jen said WE can't
> keep him here just for US it just is not fair to
> him.I agree but it hurts so very much.I am sorry for
> all the sad posts I write,it is a hard job
> volunteering for sick kitties.Thank you all for
> helping me through it all.
>   Sherry and our MANY fur angels
> 
>
> -
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RE: How to Keep Tags on Your cat???

[glenda Goodman]

My cats get to go outside while I'm home working in my
yard...They never wander, except a couple of them
might head down to my friend's ,which is about 3/4ths
of a block...I check on them every 30 min if I lose
sigt of them. I always used to think I wanted my cats
to have pretty collars and cute tags...wanted them to
look loved. I own a number of collars and tags, but
have you ever tested those break-away collars? They do
not break away! They work about as well as those
plastic things they wrap around pop cans or beer cans,
that are supposed to break away for the environment,
baloney.   The stretch type collars with the little
elastic string things are better, but they get stuck
on bushes and trees...They get lost...
I just feel collars are too dangerous.  Chipping and
ear tatoos on my cats is what I use. The ear tatoos
let everyone visually see your cat is loved,claimed
and the chip is a backup. Like, I think my cats are so
cute, I think everyone would want to steal
them...Well, say you are missing your cat...When you
advertise you mention the ear tatoo, then the chip and
offer a decent reward...My  thinking is, if someone
actually did take my kitty, they would be happy just
to settle for the reward...These are my thoughts...
I know, keeping your cats completely inside at all
times is the safest/smartest way to care for your
cats, but one  my biggest joys is watching my cats
have fun...climbing trees, catching grasshoppers and
just looking at how beautiful they look just walking
around in my flowers or rolling around on the lawn. 
--- Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Wendy,
> 
>  
> 
> I'm not sure if your cats go outside. Mine don't,
> and I have never even
> considered putting a collar on them. I never really
> thought about the health
> risks (like choking), but I knew my kitties would
> absolutely despise
> collars. Plus, with the tags jingling, they'd never
> be able to sneak up on
> each other (or us). I know there is a risk of them
> escaping when we go in
> and out, but really they haven't tried to run
> outside in at least a year. I
> guess it's a difficult subject to decide on. Yes,
> we've had emergencies
> where the door was left open and they got out, but
> we live in such a small
> town (without animal control, per se), that I think
> the benefits outweigh
> the risks in my case. Sorry I'm not much help!
> 
>  
> 
> Melissa
> 
>  
> 
>   _  
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of wendy
> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 3:22 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: OT: How to Keep Tags on Your cat???
> 
>  
> 
> Chris's post below sparked a question I have.  I
> have a couple of cats that
> constantly lose their collars.  Any ideas on how to
> get them to keep them
> on?  I always use break-aways because I'm afraid of
> my cat hanging
> themselves on something.  In fact, our 6 lb. Julie
> the other day, came and
> woke me up wearing her collar like a girdle, because
> I hadn't tightened it
> up very much (new collar), and she got her paw
> through it and the break away
> didn't give (it didn't need to; too much room
> still).  It was funny, but
> kinda scary.  Anyone have any ideas?
> 
>  
> 
> :)
> 
> Wendy
>  
> 
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change
> the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever
> has!" ~~~ Margaret
> Meade ~~~
> 
>  
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 10:54:56 AM
> Subject: RE: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat
> 
> If this cat has been out there a long time, it is
> possible they no longer
> live there.  I hate to be the voice of dissent, but
> I've been through this
> for 2 years now-there are sooo many reasons why a
> cat was lost.  Nobody
> would ever dump a cat with a collar & tags! 
> Actually, it's a pretty
> responsible thing to put collar and tags on a cat
> that goes outside-most
> people don't cause cats are notorious for pulling
> them off.  If this is as
> sweet a cat as you describe him, somebody's got to
> be missing him.  Call
> them-feel them out. bet you'll be surprised!
> 
>  
> 
> Christiane Biagi
> 
> 914-632-4672
> 
> Cell:  914-720-6888
> 
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> 
>  
> 
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 11:08 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Oh my god!  Now I know why I post my lengthy stories
> to you guys (more than
> just venting)!  Everyone has made such wonderful
> suggestions- I really
> appreciate it.  We have the owners address so this
> is what I will suggest to
> my mom that we do.  That way, we can make the owners
> co

Re: To Glenda and Marmalade

[glenda Goodman]

I hate to get back on this again, but I believe this
cat was once someone's cat...When I looked at this
kitty and he looked at me, in the light of my friend's
cell phone that night, I knew he was not born feral.
There was that moment of communication. I was sure he
just needed a little work and a little time to become
adoptable. 
I will be hurting for the rest of my life over this! I
was very upset he was put in with the 'wild cats" as I
was told, that next morning. I said I did not believe
he was wild! This one worker said he was "howling" at
her. Another gal, at another point in time, only said,
"He is not friendly." Well, he knew the hell hole he
was in with people that did not try to be kind to him.
I named him...he was going to be taken under my
wing...My friend, asked me why this cat was so
important to me, this when I told her I planned to
take this cat on. I told her, because he was smart,
beautiful, and a survivor and I respected him... I
wanted to restore his faith in people...I wanted him
to get a good home. I felt he deserved that. This cat
had character...I could tell... He had slept one night
on my friend's front porch...how feral is that? This
cat wanted a home. I do not mean to be back here
bringing all this up again...I have made everyone ,
including myself crazy with this...I will be bringing
up a lot of points to the public here about this cat
that I am bringing up here. I am going over certain
points, getting ready to hit them...
This shelter is just too reckless with our
animals...This dark hole they confine the cats, they
consider feral, is a place I want brought out into the
light...This is crap! I am still so broken up over
this I still am looking through my tears...At any
given moment they could have someone's cat in their
"feral holding section" . When I wrote to you guys
with that letter: WHAT ARE MY RIGHTS HERE: I was
writing as a person out in the public, someone who
pays taxes...I could not believe they actually shut
certain animals out of public view, like they are bad,
diseased, horrible creatures...I feel we have a right
to see and know what our local shelters are doing at
all times. I probably have 10Xs the cat experience as
any new hire down there who might decide a certain cat
is"wild". They never even used the word , feral. I
doubt they know the definition of feral...
Well, he might have been a little difficult for me to
stick my hand into the trap the night he was caught,
but I knew he would come around , because he was calm
when I talked to him. It was just going to take time
to gain his trust...I absolutely knew I had something
to work with...I'm so sorry guys! Glenda 
--- catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> That would be the fault IF the cat had ever even had
> a pet owner.  As far as Glenda knew, this cat was
> feral..
>   t
> 
> Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   There's a very simple, responsible remedy for
> this, at least for pet owners who purport to be
> responsible --- KEEP YOUR PETS INSIDE OR IN AN
> ENCLOSURE OR SUPERVISED ON A LEASH OR HARNESS when
> outside.  There in my opinion, is NO excuse not to
> and if you don't you have no reason or excuse to cry
> when one gets hit by a car, eaten by wildlife or
> killed by a animal hating neighbor  I personally
> find it extremely hard to have sympathy for anyone
> under these circumstances.
> 
>   I even read one, if not two, news stories of
> another AS in our state who put down someone's pet
> who had been located, the people had called and were
> on their way to pick it up, get there, and it's
> gone.
> 
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Re: Success!

[glenda Goodman]

Beckie,
What a great letter and bit of information...and you
handled your vet perfectly! Good for you Beckie! 
I wonder how many vets peek in on this list? If I were
you, I'd seriously be looking for a new vet, but not
sure if you live in a larger or smaller community?
Sometimes we are just stuck with what we get. I know
when I decided to break ties with my vet, because he
continued to vaccinate my cats between the shoulder
blades, even after one of my cats ended up with
lump...that concerned him enough surgery was
scheduled...
The lump went away in the nick of time. Also, his
first impulse was to put down my healthy, FeLV+ little
girl, I called around and quizzed  vet techs at other
clinics with questions like : Where does this vet ,
that vet, vaccinate...and who is best with
cats...After reading up online I began looking for a
vet that agreed with the recent research pertaining to
cats...
My new vet , went into this whole explanation about
why she vaccinates along the upper side of the
ribcage. She told me it is because if a cancer
develops in a vaccination site it is the
easiest/safest place to remove it. My old vet told me
he was not concerned ,because only one or two cats out
of 10,000 cats, might developed a cancerous tumor at a
vaccination site. 
 According to my current vet,the site between the
shoulder blades is very difficult to remove a tumor
from. She said the vertebras are scraped somehow in
the process...That's what she said... 
For where I live, I have about the best cat- friendly
vet I can find. 
There really is no excuse for withholding knowledge
from you that might have helped you. As desperate as
you have been to help your cats and for all your
heartaches...Her answer to you was just lame. Her
answer reflected everything wrong with vets: the
doctor, your animal for profit issue, while neglecting
to really want to do everything in her power to make
your cats well. With a vet, with that attitude, one
has to wonder how far she might go, just for the sake
of the dollar...Pretty scary...
.I'd never heard of pill pockets before finding these
guys...I have one cat that is impossible to get a pill
down, no matter what I try. He is my 13 year old;can't
trick him...He gets tapeworms, sorry to admit, from
years of bad habits. He has to be wormed every 2-3
months. He can often spit the pills out and always
foams at the mouth...It is a struggle. I'll see if
Pill Pockets work for him...
Thanks, Glenda   
--- Beckie McRae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well, Friday, I went and got the "Pill Pockets". 
> (Chicken Flavored, my
> cats hate seafood, go figure), Went home, wrapped
> the Benedryl in it,
> and..WA LA!  Down it went!  I was SO
> happy!!!
> 
> The lady at the pet store also told me about these
> bath wipes so I got a
> pack of those.  They're like baby wipes, and you
> just rub them down, and
> it helps to moisturize their skin, and his coat is
> so soft!  I just wipe
> him down once a day, (which he LOVES by the way). 
> Also, they have aloe,
> so that helps with his scratching.  Amazingly
> enough, the lady at the
> pet store was more helpful than the vet!  When I got
> home, and saw how
> everything worked, I IMMEDIATELY got on the phone
> with the vet and
> ripped her a new one.  I wanted to know why she
> hadn't told me about
> these products especially since I voiced to her MANY
> times how bad the
> pilling was going, and how bad his skin was.  Hell,
> she SAW it!  Her
> response?  We don't endorse other products than what
> we sell here.  Well
> I proceeded to tell her that when she became a vet
> she took an oath to
> care for an ailing animal NO MATTER WHAT, and even
> though they don't
> "endorse" those products, she STILL could have
> suggested them.  I told
> her if it was THAT big of a deal maybe THEY should
> start getting wipes,
> and pill pockets there to "ENDORSE" so that other
> people and their
> animals don't have to go through what we've been.  I
> told her that I
> would NEVER be coming back to her, and I WOULD be
> filing a report with
> the better business bureau, and ANYONE who asks me
> for a vet, I will
> them to go ANYWHERE but there.  I was HOT
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks again guys!
> 
> Beckie
> 
> 



   

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Re: OT: oh Lordy!

[glenda Goodman]

Susan, 
It is a bit morbid...but this could be a good way for
our  cats to work out their frustrations with people?
Try a little Ken doll as an experiment...maybe a GI
Joe?  I'd be a little concerned, if this caught on,
with ,for example , our larger cats in zoos. using
say, mannequins. When you imagine that, it would be
difficult to believe they did not realize what they
were doing... 
I do have every confidence, our smaller cats
comprehend that the little toy people are
reproductions of humans. I have noticed that cats are
much more able to appreciate television, for example,
than a dogs...Cats are very adept at figuring out
concepts. 
I hope you do not have long blond hair...just
joking...
Bless your heart and keep having fun with your
family...I appreciate you! 
Glenda
--- Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yeap.
> 
> Prom Queen Barbie, w/ her long blond hair, headless
> & naked face down in my cats' water bowl...
> 
> Who the hell knows where her Tiara is...
> 
> Probably in the litterbox.
> 
> Do you think there is something from my warped
> childhood projecting here?
> 
> 
> Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
> www.shadowcats.net
>   "As Cleopatra lay
> in state,
>Faithful Bast at
> her side did wait,
>Purring welcomes
> of soft applause,
>Ever guarding
> with sharpened claws."
>  Trajan
> Tennent
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey 
>   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>   Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 10:38 PM
>   Subject: Re: OT: oh Lordy!
> 
> 
>   Oh, AS USUAL from YOU, what a great story!  I'm
> heading for Goodwill!
> 
> 
>   xxx, Tee 'n' the Wildlife
> 
> 
>   "Consciousness is Causal 
>and Physicality is its
>Manifestation."
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   On Aug 11, 2007, at 9:21 PM, Susan Dubose wrote:
> 
> 
> My cats are devils in fur.
> 
> Gattos diablos... :)
> 
> Their FAVORITE toy in the world?
> 
> Detached barbie doll heads.
> 
> Flowing in their water bowls, face down.
> 
> And the funny part?
> 
> I pick them up @ Good Will all day for a few
> cents, fully clothed w/ heads attached.
> 
> 
> In just a few short days, I find Barbie's prom
> dress in one corner, her naked headless body in
> another.
> 
> The head still has hair, but it has been ravaged
> to the point of mere fluff.
> 
> And everyone thinks "I'M" the crazy one in the
> family.
> 
> But them again, they are momma's babies.. 
> :)
> 
> Nothing cuter than my Princess Purr-laaa AKAS
> "Kannibal Kitty" walking around meowing & cooing w/
> a "caught" Barbie doll 
> 
> She's soo cute..
> 
> 
> It's the REAL Addams Family..
> 
> 
> Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
> www.shadowcats.net
>   "As Cleopatra
> lay in state,
>Faithful Bast
> at her side did wait,
>Purring
> welcomes of soft applause,
>Ever guarding
> with sharpened claws."
> 
> Trajan Tennent
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



   

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Re: Inky is 21 now!!!!

[glenda Goodman]

Kerry, 
That is super!
 HAPPY BIRTHDAY INKY!
 With all the sad news we hear every day, thank you
for the little perk of good news. I'm sorry about your
Bandy.
 Because I am new, like a lot of us here, I'd be
interested to know how long you had your Bandy and
were Inky and Bandy allowed to mix? How old was Bandy
when you discovered the FeLV and FIV?  You certainly
are a blessing to your little ones! Thank you for
stopping in. 
Glenda
--- Kerry Roach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi everyone, 
>   I haven't been here in awhile, and I do see there
> are many new people..So just want you all to know
> (those of you that remember us) that Inky turned 21
> last Thursday..I know he isn't felv+, but you guys
> helped me with some of his problems while I was
> dealing with my Bandy's illness.  We are always
> thankful for your knowledge and compassion for our
> fur babies.  Inky had blood work about 3 wks ago and
> his hyper-t has gotten worse, but the increase in
> meds is working again so far...kidney values are
> still high, but better...and the ibd is doing ok..
> so he is my shining star..
>   Bandy has been gone little over 6 months now and I
> miss him so..He will always be with me.
>   My best to you all and I hope all your babies are
> doing well today..If we can ever help, please email
> me direct..I am going to try to catch up.  If any of
> my experiences with Bandy (who was FIV+ and Felv+) I
> would be glad to offer what I can.  We dealt with
> alot of different things.
>   Our best to you all, 
>   Kerry, Angel's Bandy, Lil Rascal, Buster, Snoopy,
> Striper, Albert and Alberta
>   Inky and the rest of the crew
> 
>
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Re: My little Sammy went to Heaven

[glenda Goodman]

Taylor, I know he was precious to you. You did
everything  imaginable to comfort him and extend his
life.
 My heart is with you.
 I know your heart will be with me, when I will need
the comfort of someone who understands, just how hard
it really is, to lose a little love, like your Sammy.
 I'm so sorry he had to suffer, but I know , because
you were with him every step of the way, he felt so
happy and loved, that he probably did not realize all
that his body was going through...I can feel that...
Glenda  
--- Taylor Scobie Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Dear Everyone:
> 
> I'm so sorry to report that my dear Sammy went to
> Heaven on Tuesday  
> morning.  He had gone into Animal 911 the evening
> before.  He felt  
> quite warm and when I took his temperature it was
> 106 so off we  
> went.  He stayed overnight in the ICU, hydrated,
> etc., and I knew he  
> was in the right place that night.  His WBC count
> was dismal, his  
> RBC's were dismal, he was very quiet when I picked
> him up to move him  
> to Berglund for continued care.  After discussion
> with the ICU folks,  
> who felt that the lymphoma once again had the upper
> hand, I knew it  
> was time to say farewell and I made the decision to
> have him PTS over  
> at Berglund.
> 
> We drove the five minutes to Berglund where I was
> met by his Auntie  
> Head Tech Linda and Auntie Dr. Val.  I had picked up
> a beautiful  
> little baby blanket earlier in the week-- blue and
> white cotton knit  
> with a small ruffle around the edge, lined in soft
> white "fur," and  
> Sammy was wrapped in that, in my arms.  They agreed
> it was time and  
> I'm pretty sure Sammy did, too.  He was so tired for
> such a little  
> guy, but he wasn't in pain, just so very, very
> tired.  When Val put  
> the sleepy meds into the IV on his wrist he went to
> sleep  
> IMMEDIATELY.  As she added the meds to stop his
> little heart she  
> said, "I love you, Sammy."
> 
> Linda cut off some of Sammy's beautiful marmalade
> hair for me and Val  
> put it in a little plastic bag.  Linda made sure I
> got all Sammy's  
> colors, too.  I wrapped him back up and held him
> close and just sat  
> and cried in the exam room, stroking his beautiful
> little face until  
> it was time to give him away forever.  Every so
> often someone would  
> peek in to say how sorry they were.  Linda said she
> was making a  
> little paw-print disc of Sammy's little paw for me
> and, of course, I  
> was having him cremated at St. Francis Animal
> Cemetery.  My dad  
> always buried the cats in our back yard but I
> cremate mine (even the  
> tiny parakeets, who are each in tiny blue-and-white
> ginger jars).   
> The little plastic bag of fur will fit right in the
> little St.  
> Francis tin, with a picture of St. Francis on it and
> a little St.  
> Francis animal tag inside.
> 
> Poor Sammy, he was so very small--he'd lost a pound
> over the last  
> twelve days--I could feel him growing cool so fast
> as I held him, I  
> disliked that so!
> 
> I've been staying close to home with the other
> kitties.  I think  
> we're all doing okay.  The other kitties always knew
> Sammy was very  
> seriously ill and we were  
>
allyuuu===(hello,
> Charlie has  
> jumped up, purring, to see me and let me hold him
> tight while I write  
> to you all)
> 
>   
> doing all we could to help him stay well, but he was
> overcome.  And  
> now we're overcome.
> 
> I'm sure he was met by that great Big Brother in the
> sky, my giant  
> kitty and champion kitten-adorer Jack-Jack, who went
> to Heaven last  
> March before the triplets arrived on July 1st of
> last year, and all  
> the other cats my parents and I have had over the
> years.
> 
> Think of how many kittens and cats will meet us
> again someday!
> 
> Thank you all for everything you have given me and
> how much you have  
> helped me and the kitties,
> 
> Tee 'n' the Remaining Wildlife (Lilibet Squeekietoy,
> exemplary kitten- 
> big-sissy, Billi Bi, reluctant, peeved ["I'M the
> baby!"] eldest  
> brother, and the 2 Orange Boyz, great big Charlie,
> AKA Twinkie (he's  
> twinkie-colored and was teenie when he was small),
> and Teddy Baby  
> Pooma (he was so little--he still is--I told him he
> was a baby puma  
> to make him feel big and strong).
> 
> 
> "Consciousness is Causal
>   and Physicality is its
>   Manifestation."
> 958
> 
> 
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RE: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

[glenda Goodman]

Melissa, This is a perfect idea...I'm glad you brougt
it up. It should just be a rule to remember...it is so
logical. 
As for Caroline: I have been reading your progress
with your little girl kitty and it has been , for me,
a bright spot during my miserable failures with my
situation this week. I am very proud of you and your
mom and happy for this dear little cat. Maybe you will
end up keeping her in your family?  I would be
completely firm with these people...I do not know how
you can demand payment though, but they need to show
some enthusiasm for wanting to pay the expenses . If
they do not, they are just not good people and not a
good home for the kitty... I'd say, I think I found
your cat...A friend of a friend has her and I heard
there were some vet bills. Do you want me to try to
locate your cat for you? You are a lawyer after
all...Glenda  
--- Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Caroline,
> 
>  
> 
> I think it's great what you are doing! I'm very
> happy that your mom is
> getting on board with it! I know my family admires
> (even though they may not
> understand) my compassion for animals, but getting
> them to help, even
> reluctantly, is something I haven't been able to do
> as of late. Good for
> you!
> 
>  
> 
> As for the owner-issue, with my rescued cats back in
> April, I advertised
> them as found cats (without description), and stated
> that the owners must
> describe the cat and pay the vet bill. I thought
> that if they really loved
> their kitty that they would do anything to get it
> back-no matter the cost.
> And if they couldn't afford it, then they would at
> least try their hardest
> to convince me that they deserved the kitty back
> even if they couldn't pay.
> I did not think this was out of line at all, and of
> course, as my husband
> predicted, no one came forward to claim the kitties.
> I knew that one was a
> stray (lived out of a dumpster) and the other might
> have been a back-door
> feeder but was severely neglected. 
> 
>  
> 
> If I understand correctly (I've been reading stories
> very quickly), you have
> the contact info of the owners? I would get kitty
> all fixed up nice-then let
> them know the bill. If they love kitty, they'll pay
> (or at least try).
> 
>  
> 
> I'm very happy for you guys-especially at your
> abilities to get lowered vet
> bills-way to go!!!
> 
>  
> 
> Melissa
> 
>  
> 
>   _  
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:29 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: OT: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat
> 
>  
> 
> My mom took the cat we rescued Sat. to her regular
> vet today.  I couldn't
> get a hold of my Shamrock contact (she lost her cell
> phone in the bushes
> somewhere crawling around doing a kitten rescue-
> typical- this explains why
> I couldn't get a hold of her!).  My mom was just
> really frustrated and felt
> she couldn't wait on Shamrock or anyone of those
> groups to help us get the
> cat into a vet that would treat her half
> price/discounted.  She wanted to
> make sure we were dealing only with malnutrition and
> an upper respiratory
> infection.  She ended up seeing a relief vet and my
> mom says she spent the
> first 15 mins arguing with the vet over what the cat
> needed, what they
> were/weren't going to do to her, and finding the
> owner.  The vet pressured
> my mom into calling the vet number listed on the
> rabies tag AGAIN- even
> though we never heard from him and know that he has
> other clinics that are
> open in Louisville- well, when she called, she got a
> live person!  That
> person looked up the rabies tag and gave my mom the
> "owner" information, so
> we have that now.  The cat's "name" is "Nosey"...I
> mean..., I don't
> knowyour alls' guesses are as good as
> mine...that's all I will say about
> that.
> 
> My mom bargained down the vet and since she now had
> the owner info, I guess
> the dr. let her off the hook as far as not doing
> EVERYTHING that a vet would
> usually do with a rescued cat.  They did a fecal and
> surprisingly, she
> doesn't have worms.  Although, she could still have
> tape worms since I found
> a live flea on her- but we are going to wait on
> that.  I can always get a
> tapeworm pill from Shamrock if I need to.  She
> weighs 5 lbs, 5
> ounces!!!  I told you she was
> malnourished!  The vet had
> trouble aging her and guessed 5 years.  I think
> she's a little off there--
> she has tarter on her teeth, but not tons and she
> has no grey tarter- just
> the yellow, so I think she's younger than 5, but
> over 2 years.  I think the
> vet's being thrown off by the malnourishment.  
> 
> She sneezed for the vet, so she's putting her on
> oral clavamox.
> Surprisingly, the vet said everything we've been
> doing for her is right and
> then some...we wrote out a list that included
> everything- the colostrum,
> food, etc., which my mom handed to the vet when she
> wa

RE: To Glenda re. Marmalade

[glenda Goodman]

 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of wendy
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 11:43 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: To Glenda re. Marmalade
> 
> Glenda,
> 
> I have been reading about you and Marmalade the past
> few days and mulling
> over all I have read.  I can completely see how each
> person can feel the way
> they do.  What happened is horrific.  I know all of
> us are saddened by it.
> Obviously, you have learned your lesson and I can
> tell you feel badly about
> what happened.  I don't want to say something
> hurtful or mean, although what
> happened to Marmalade, honestly, has made me angry
> and sad.  However, as it
> has been pointed out, this happens every day to
> hundreds of animals in the
> world.  Marmalade is just one.  A grass roots
> foster/rescue program is
> needed, but who among us has the time or is willing
> to sacrifice?  We live
> in a damn rat race.  And I do not think that shelter
> work is every person's
> calling.  I am starting up a pet sitting business
> and taking care of my
> brood, among all the other stuff going on in my
> life.  Volunteering isn't
> part of the mix right now, but I do feel like I'm
> doing my part in my
>  little corner of the world, for now.  
> 
> I am glad you feel you can come here for help.  I
> think the people here are
> wonderful.  Hideyo is very intense.  I personally
> think she feels things
> more intensely than many of us do; that observation
> is based on what I have
> seen in the past.  I think she will come around
> again.  She's angry and hurt
> now, as many of us are, and you are the easiest
> target for that,
> unfortunately.  However, even though you made a
> mistake, it was not
> intentional, and you were trying to rectify it.  We
> ALL make mistakes.
> Every last one of us.  One time, when I was just a
> girl, one of our cats (we
> had many) attacked my face.  I was trying to pet him
> and talking to him
> really sweet, and he just attacked me and scratched
> me up.  I was bleeding
> pretty good from several places, but my heart hurt
> more than my head.  He
> jumped off the bed and walked off like he was the
> cat's meow and I kicked
> him in the behind.  I was probably 8.  He died a few
> days after that.  He
> couldn't pee
>  and my mom was the type not to waste money on our
> pets; she had to make
> sure she always had a six pack handy.  I have always
> felt really badly about
> that.  In hindsight, it's quite possible that this
> kitty had crystals or
> already had a UTI.  But I'll never know and I choose
> to carry the grief that
> comes along with the responsibility of a mistake.  I
> know there are probably
> others here who have unintentionally hurt an animal.
>  I am certainly holding
> no grudge against you as I have no room to judge
> your mistake.  I do hope
> that, as others have said, it can be turned into
> something good, for little
> Marmalade's sake.  That is all that can be done now.
>  Prayers going out for
> your heavy heart.  
> 
> :)
> Wendy
>  
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change
> the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever
> has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade
> ~~~
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2007 12:01:23 PM
> Subject: Fwd: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...
> 
> 
> --- glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:59:33 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > 
> > HELLO EVERYONE, 
> > THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE ADVICE AND SUPPORT.
> > THE
> > WORST HAS HAPPENED. I FEEL REALLY HORRIBLE RIGHT
> > NOW. 
> > I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW THE WORST
> > HAPPENED:  
> > WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS HE WAS PUT DOWN, BY MISTAKE.
> HIS
> > PAPER WORK WAS NOT READ. FOR AS OFTEN AS I WENT
> DOWN
> > THERE AND BUGGED THEM, I GUESS I ASSUMED EVERYONE
> > KNEW. EVEN THOUGH HE WAS IN THE 'WILD CAT'
> > SECTION...I
> > GUESS THE LESSON HERE IS: 
> > 
> > EVEN IF YOU KNOW YOU ARE MAKING PEOPLE ANGRY AND
> > UPSET
> > WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING AN ANIMAL DO NOT BE
> > AFRAID
> > TO GET IN SOMEONE'S FACE. THE FACT I DID NOT RUB
> IT
> > IN
> 
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Re: Moe has taken a turn for the worse...

[glenda Goodman]

Beckie, I'm so sorry to hear Moe is not feeling well
today. I do not know how yucky tasting the pills ate
that he is taking, but with my kitties that I give
pills,  I crush the pills up and mix 'sardines in
spring water'. I talked before about this, when I
discovered them at Walmart.They are .50 a large flat
container...They are also wild caught, by the way...
 I would always give my cats a dab of tuna as a treat
when they would mind and for example, come racing
across the yard when I would call their name...The
results were amazing... I am scared to give tuna too
often, but needed to find something they liked ,so
found the sardines...I have noticed my younger cats
are crazy about sardines,but the older guys that had
gotten used to tuna were harder to shift over, but are
starting to accept the change. 
I really try not to give tuna too often ,because of
the mercury content...I found out from several on this
site, human grade tuna was also hard on our cat's
kidney's...I thought it had to be better than regular
catfood tuna...wrong...I have gotten a lot of good
info on yummy healthy foods on this site and just have
not gotten down to ordering anything yet ,but will get
on it soon...
Back to the pills you are giving...The pills I give
are only multi vitaminsfor cats and lysine...I know
they do not taste too terrible, but without the
sardine trick I'd never get them down my kitties that
take them. They just scarf everything up in the mashed
sardines...do not even notice...
Good luck with your Moe...Glenda
--- Beckie McRae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well Moeman has gotten REALLY sick again.  
> 
> He's got huge bumps ALL around his neck, like he's
> wearing a collar or
> something, but he doesn't.  I called the vet and
> explained to her that
> since I've already had him in there 3 times, I
> couldn't afford to keep
> bringing him back and asked for Clavomox
> (spelling?).  When our other
> cat McGhee was really sick like this that's what she
> had and we would
> notice a difference in her in a matter of hours. 
> The vet said it would
> upset his stomach and make him more sick.  She said
> to try to give him a
> benydryl (again spelling?) and see how that goes for
> the weekend.  We
> gave him 25mg last night, and he FINALLY went to
> sleep.  I seriously
> don't think this poor little thing has gotten a good
> night's sleep in
> weeks.  He's CONSTANTLY scratching, or licking, it's
> bad.  So when we
> got up this morning he seemed to be a little
> perkier, but not much.
> Hopefully the benydryl will work and he'll get his
> strength back.  Only
> thing is we have the pills, and I feel HORRIBLE when
> we give them to
> him.  Mitch has to hold him by his neck, then I have
> to pry his mouth
> open, etcI've tried crushing it up and putting
> it food, but he knows
> it's there and won't touch it.  Even wet food, which
> is like a treat for
> him!  Any ideas on how I could crush up a pill and
> have him take it
> without even knowing it?
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks guys.  I swear, sometimes I wonder what I did
> before I found you
> all.
> 
> Beckie
> 
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Re: To Glenda re. Marmalade

[glenda Goodman]

Thank you so much Wendy.
--- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Glenda,
> 
> I have been reading about you and Marmalade the past
> few days and mulling over all I have read.  I can
> completely see how each person can feel the way they
> do.  What happened is horrific.  I know all of us
> are saddened by it.  Obviously, you have learned
> your lesson and I can tell you feel badly about what
> happened.  I don't want to say something hurtful or
> mean, although what happened to Marmalade, honestly,
> has made me angry and sad.  However, as it has been
> pointed out, this happens every day to hundreds of
> animals in the world.  Marmalade is just one.  A
> grass roots foster/rescue program is needed, but who
> among us has the time or is willing to sacrifice? 
> We live in a damn rat race.  And I do not think that
> shelter work is every person's calling.  I am
> starting up a pet sitting business and taking care
> of my brood, among all the other stuff going on in
> my life.  Volunteering isn't part of the mix right
> now, but I do feel like I'm doing my part in my
>  little corner of the world, for now.  
> 
> I am glad you feel you can come here for help.  I
> think the people here are wonderful.  Hideyo is very
> intense.  I personally think she feels things more
> intensely than many of us do; that observation is
> based on what I have seen in the past.  I think she
> will come around again.  She's angry and hurt now,
> as many of us are, and you are the easiest target
> for that, unfortunately.  However, even though you
> made a mistake, it was not intentional, and you were
> trying to rectify it.  We ALL make mistakes.  Every
> last one of us.  One time, when I was just a girl,
> one of our cats (we had many) attacked my face.  I
> was trying to pet him and talking to him really
> sweet, and he just attacked me and scratched me up. 
> I was bleeding pretty good from several places, but
> my heart hurt more than my head.  He jumped off the
> bed and walked off like he was the cat's meow and I
> kicked him in the behind.  I was probably 8.  He
> died a few days after that.  He couldn't pee
>  and my mom was the type not to waste money on our
> pets; she had to make sure she always had a six pack
> handy.  I have always felt really badly about that. 
> In hindsight, it's quite possible that this kitty
> had crystals or already had a UTI.  But I'll never
> know and I choose to carry the grief that comes
> along with the responsibility of a mistake.  I know
> there are probably others here who have
> unintentionally hurt an animal.  I am certainly
> holding no grudge against you as I have no room to
> judge your mistake.  I do hope that, as others have
> said, it can be turned into something good, for
> little Marmalade's sake.  That is all that can be
> done now.  Prayers going out for your heavy heart.  
> 
> :)
> Wendy
>  
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
> is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade
> ~~~
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2007 12:01:23 PM
> Subject: Fwd: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...
> 
> 
> --- glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:59:33 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > 
> > HELLO EVERYONE, 
> > THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE ADVICE AND SUPPORT.
> > THE
> > WORST HAS HAPPENED. I FEEL REALLY HORRIBLE RIGHT
> > NOW. 
> > I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW THE WORST
> > HAPPENED:  
> > WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS HE WAS PUT DOWN, BY MISTAKE.
> HIS
> > PAPER WORK WAS NOT READ. FOR AS OFTEN AS I WENT
> DOWN
> > THERE AND BUGGED THEM, I GUESS I ASSUMED EVERYONE
> > KNEW. EVEN THOUGH HE WAS IN THE 'WILD CAT'
> > SECTION...I
> > GUESS THE LESSON HERE IS: 
> > 
> > EVEN IF YOU KNOW YOU ARE MAKING PEOPLE ANGRY AND
> > UPSET
> > WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING AN ANIMAL DO NOT BE
> > AFRAID
> > TO GET IN SOMEONE'S FACE. THE FACT I DID NOT RUB
> IT
> > IN
> > A LITTLE MORE ON MY RIDE HOME FROM WORK TUESDAY
> > NIGHT
> > MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE REASON THIS MISTAKE HAPPENED. 
> > 
> > THE DIRECTOR, A REALLY SPECIAL PERSON, WHO I DO
> LOVE
> > AND RESPECT AND WITH WHOM I  HAVE A GOOD
> > RELATIONSHIP,
> > TOLD ME THE MINUTE THE MISTAKE WAS REALIZED SHE
> TOOK
> &g

Re: Gus Please add to the CLS :(

[glenda Goodman]

Sherry, My heart is breaking today for all the cats
that will no longer get to enjoy the things cats do
enjoy...They are all so special. 
I'm sorry for Gus and for you, because I know you
loved him...Glenda
--- Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> We lost our sweet Gus today,he had felv and fiv.His
> body just could not take any more.He came to the
> shelter a month before I started there almost 2
> years ago.He will be sadly missed.
>   Sherry
> 
>
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Re: To Glenda and Marmalade

[glenda Goodman]

Heather,
 What a beautiful, sweet letter.Thank you for your
kindness and your personal story...
 What all this has done to me is make me determined to
do my small part to call attention to some issues here
in my little twin  towns of Scottsbluff and Gering,
Nebraska.
I will be writing  a letter to the editor of our local
paper. I will be addressing, our pathetic, lack of a
system, protecting homeless cats. Not all homeless
cats are wild , so the subject of my letter will not
be  the feral issue.It will be the homeless, neglected
animal issue all towns have... I will never know if
Marmalade was a wild 'feral" cat or a very frightened,
misplaced, lost cat. He was not given a chance. 
I have been sick all day, feeling such a terrible loss
of a cat I will never get to know, because someone was
doing their job, just too fast and thoughtlessly. I
blame myself most of all for taking a short cut...It
was easier turning the cat over for the night. I
thought easier on the cat too...My mistake...
 I do appreciate Nina's letter and even though I want
to give the local shelter people here the benefit of
doubt, I do not trust most people in general, who do
the job of disposing of little lives. Many get too
hardened and are too automatic...There are probably
some who even enjoy it? The way the system is set up,
like they say, someone has to do it...BUT WHY...I
could never understand WHY.Why does anyone HAVE to do
it? 
 I Do not believe in breeding animals . I believe, if
by accident, a litter of animals comes forth in the
world the people caring for those animals should pay
large taxes and or fines...The reproduction of
companion animals should be very strictly
regulated.Breeding companion animals should never
profit anyone. Having a companion animal should be a
privilage and as valuable as having a  priceless jewel
...If dogs and cats were as rare as diamonds, they
would be more valued. They would be respected and
treated the way they deserve to be treated. The
production of diamonds is regulated to keep them
rare...thus, keeping them valuable and prized by
humans.The same principals should apply to animals.
Humans, in general, certainly have proved they do not
deserve the blessing of having little animal friends
:Just a thought...It is not working the way things are
now other than like everything else feeding the
economy...  
 Our shelters are like waste receptacles. They clean
up people's messes, greed, ugliness, mistakes,
heartaches, inadequacies...All the many reasons people
seek to have an animal and fail that animal is the
sewer of what our shelters are.  The end product of
our shelters is everything wrong with people. 
Our laws are awful...We each can feel so helpless and
yet so well intentioned, but what we are up against is
huge. 
About six ago a friend called me to tell me she had
found a small kitten in her aunt's yard. She told me
the kitten was sick with matted eyes...It was a
Saturday night. She said if I did not come quickly to
get it she would have to call a policeman to pick it
up.She lives in Scottsbluff; I live in Gering. We have
seperate police departments ,but both towns use the
same shelter. I went across town to get the kitten. It
was around 9:30 pm. I took it to a friend's, along
with supplies for the night. I tried to clean the
kitten up and feed it. This kitten was very sick. I
guess it was distemper? I had three kittens at my own
house, two with only the first vaccination and my 
FeLV+ kitten, so did not want to care for the kitten
in my own home...Early the next morning I was back
working on the kitten, trying to get food, water, and
antibiotics down him.It was then I discovered his eyes
were both ruptured...I found out this can happen if an
infection is not treated properly and is allowed to
continue... That sent me over the edge...I had no
place to go , had imposed enough on my friend...After
my friend's, had sat for several hours with the kitten
in a park by my houseThis, until a neighborhood
cat wandered up. I then left for fear of that cat
contracting, whatever it was affecting the kitten. I
was exhausted , depressed, saddened, alone with this
little cat with the horrible URI and matted and
ruptured eyes. I went over to the Humane Society
Director's House, Deb, on her day off, to ask her, if
there was anyone who would be available to help in a
situation such as mine. There was not. I was it. She
told me I could just have the kitten run down to the
shelter and because of his condition he would be put
to sleep Monday morning.I ended up at the local police
station with my carrier, the kitten, his food and
water.It was his eyes that made me just give up...I
was completely defeated... I picked my carrier up the
following Monday. End of story. 
Maybe I need to get kicked in the Butt twice, before I
get into gear to try and do my small part to make
things better for our animal friends here in my little
town?
 I absolutely promise to act in honor, of a wonderful
cat, I named Marmalade,who ne

Re: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...I am unsubscribing the list

[glenda Goodman]

HI MY DEAR HIDEYO, I AM SO SORRY MY TELLING YOU ALL
THIS HAS MAD SO MANY PEOPLE SAD. I AM ESPECIALLY SORRY
TO HAVE HURT YOU. PLEASE READ MY POST TO NINA. WE ARE
ALL HERE TO LEARN AND HELP EACH OTHER HELP OUR
ANIMALS. YOU HAVE BEEN SO WONDERFUL AND SO VALUABLE.
YOU HAVE GIVEN ME SOME OF MY VERY BEST INFORMATION.
YOU MAY HAVE SAVED THOSE LITTLE FIV POSITIVE KITTES
FROM BEING PUT DOWN . YOUR POST WAS VERY POWERFUL. I
FORWARDED IT TO THE TWO LADIES WITH THOSE KITTENS...AS
WELL AS SEVERAL OTHER VERY CONVINCING POSTS FROM
OTHERS HERE. I HAVE ALREADY CRIED SEVERAL TIMES
READING THESE POSTS HERE . I AM CRYING NOW. ONE THING
WE ALL HAVE TO AGREE ON, IS OUR ANIMALS ARE
PRECIOUS...HUMANS HAVE SO FAR TO GO. I ALWAYS SAY: I
WISH I COULD LIVE TO SEE THE DAY WHEN PEOPLE REALIZE
TO NEVER EXPLOIT OUR OTHER CREATURES, EXAMPLE , WE
NEED TO QUIT EATING ANYTHING WITH A FACE! MAYBE I AM A
BIT RADICAL < BUT I THINK MOST OF US HERE ARE ,ALL IN
OUR OWN WAY OR AT LEAST WE MIGHT SEEM TO BE IN ONE
ANOTHER'S OPINIONS.  I'M TRYING TO GET THROUGH THIS
LETTER FAST, NEED TO HEAD FOR WORK...MAYBE I'M NOT
MAKING A LOT OF SENSE TO SOME OUT THERE, BUT I DO FEEL
WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE HERE , BECAUSE WE ALL CARE
DEEPLY! I SEND YOU MY LOVE AND MY HEART HIDEYO. THANK
YOU FOR YOUR HELP WHEN I NEEDED HELP.
 GLENDA
--- HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This is just horrible! I am sorry but I just don't
> understand why you even took him to the pound
> anyway. That's the studiest thing I ever heard!! (I
> am sorry - but I am just too upset about this
> situation) -- 
> Sometimes people may have a good intention, but just
> not good enough - a precious litel life is taken
> away from our ignorance -
> This just did it for me - I am going to unsubscribe
> the list - I cannot keep reading these posts. I wish
> I were stronger.  I wanted to help people who need a
> help and wanted to share my experience.   I can't
> stop crying to find out what happened to marmalade
> -- I hope whoever was involved in the lose of
> marmalade will learn a precious lesson and not to
> let her death in vain -
> 
> But don't ever ever take feral to the pound -- I am
> so angry!! What were you thinking!!!?
> If you don't know what you are doing,, please know,
> sometimes, things are better untouched -- especially
> with feral kitties.
> 
> I wish you all good luck, thank you those who
> suppored me when I needed it.
> 
> Dear mamalade,
> Please forgive our ignorance and what we did to you
> - may your soul rest peace now, may your soul come
> back to have a longer and happier life - I am so
> very sorry,, I wish I could have done something to
> take you away before they did anything to you..
> The meantime, to honor your soul, I am going to name
> my little feral orange kitty whom I rescued a week
> ago, and who is now living with me, after you,
> Marmalade.
> 
> my deepest love and hugs to you, precious little
> sould, marmalade..
> 
> 
> Hideyo
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: glenda
> Goodman<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>   To:
>
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> 
>   Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 11:01 AM
>   Subject: Fwd: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...
> 
> 
> 
>   --- glenda Goodman
>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> wrote:
> 
>   > Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:59:33 -0700 (PDT)
>   > From: glenda Goodman
>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
>   > Subject: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...
>   > To:
>
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
>   > 
>   > HELLO EVERYONE, 
>   > THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE ADVICE AND
> SUPPORT.
>   > THE
>   > WORST HAS HAPPENED. I FEEL REALLY HORRIBLE RIGHT
>   > NOW. 
>   > I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW THE WORST
>   > HAPPENED:  
>   > WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS HE WAS PUT DOWN, BY MISTAKE.
> HIS
>   > PAPER WORK WAS NOT READ. FOR AS OFTEN AS I WENT
> DOWN
>   > THERE AND BUGGED THEM, I GUESS I ASSUMED
> EVERYONE
>   > KNEW. EVEN THOUGH HE WAS IN THE 'WILD CAT'
>   > SECTION...I
>   > GUESS THE LESSON HERE IS: 
>   > 
>   > EVEN IF YOU KNOW YOU ARE MAKING PEOPLE ANGRY AND
>   > UPSET
>   > WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING AN ANIMAL DO NOT BE
>   > AFRAID
>   > TO GET IN SOMEONE'S FACE. THE FACT I DID NOT RUB
> IT
>   > IN
>   > A LITTLE MORE ON MY RIDE HOME FROM WORK TUESDAY
>   > NIGHT
>   > MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE REASON THIS MISTAKE
> HAPPENED. 
>   > 
>   > THE DIRECTOR, A REALLY SPECIAL PERSON, WHO I DO
> LOVE
>   > AND RESPECT AND WITH WHOM I  HAVE A

RE: OT: Exactly what are my rights here?

[glenda Goodman]

NINA, I WANT TO ANSWER YOU QUICKLY HERE. I BROUGHT MY
CAT TRAP DOWN TO MY FRIENDS. THE CAT WAS TRAPPED IN
HER YARD . SHE CALLED ME SUNDAY EVENING TO TELL ME HE
HAD BEEN TRAPPED. I WAS ON MY WAY, A SHORT WALK TO HER
HOUSE TO PICK THE CAT UP. I PLANNED TO TAKE HIM IN IN
THE MORNING WHEN THE HUMANE SOCIETY WAS OPENED. THE
CAT WOULD HAVE HAD TO SPEND THE ENTIRE NIGHT IN MY
TRAP THAT WAY. WELL, IN OUR TOWN IF IT IS AFTER HOURS
AND THE HUMANE SOCIETY IS CLOSED YOU CALL THE POLICE
DEPT. THEY WILL PICK UP THE ANIMAL AND RELEASE IT INTO
A MORE COMFORTABLE SETTING...MY FRIEND AND I DECIDED
TO HAVE THE CAT PICKED UP. I PLANNED TO DEAL WITH IT
IN THE MORNING...THEN WAS TOLD THE CAT WAS A
FERAL...LIKE BEYOND HOPE...GETTING THIS CAT TESTED
,BECAUSE I REALLY NEEDED TO KNOW IT'S HEALTH STATIS
,BECAUSE MY CAT HAD FOUGHT WITH IT WAS STEP ONE. AFTER
THAT, AFTER LEARNING IF IT WERE DISEASE FREE WOULD BE
STEP TWO. I WOULD TAKE IT UNDER MY WING , SOMEHOW, GET
IT NEUTERED...ALL THIS IF MY VET TOLD ME IT WERE
REASONABLY YOUNG. I FELT LIKE THIS CAT COULD HAVE A
FUTURE. WITH MY PERSONAL SITUATION RIGHT NOW, I HAVE
THREE CAT SITUATIONS GOING ON AT MY HOUSE. MY FOUR BIG
BOYS, MY GIRL BOY KITTENS, AND MY FeLV+ LITTLE GIRL.
THROWING IN A WILD AND WOOLY FERAL TO TAME DOWN WOULD
HAVE REALLY STRETCHED ME THIN...EVERYONE GETS A SHIFT
RIGHT NOW> THREE SHIFTS WOULD HAVE TURNED INTO FOUR. I
DO NOT MIX MY GROUPS...I STILL WOULD HAVE BUSTED MY
BUTT TO SAVE THIS GUY, WHOM I NAMED MARMALADE. YOU
HAVE READ MY RECENT POSTS ,BUT MY EARLY ONE'S YOU HAVE
MISSED ,SO OF COURSE  YOU ARE A BIT LOST. I PROBABLY
SOUND LIKE A NUT...SORRY... THANK YOU FOR GETTING BACK
TO ME ON THIS. I DID HAVE PLAN A, B, AND C DOWN FOR
THIS CAT...BECAUSE I BELIEVE EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL
DESERVES TO HAVE SOMEONE LOOKING OUT FOR HIM. I HAD
EVERY INTENTION OF LOOKING OUT FOR THIS LITTLE GUY,
BUT I TOTALLY SCREWED UP! I AM SO VERY SORRY! I SHOULD
HAVE KEPT HIM OVER NIGHT TO START WITH. I JUST FELT,
WITH MY REASONABLY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH MY LOCAL
SHELTER, I COULD GET ON TOP OF THINGS THAT NEXT
MORNING AND WOULD  ALSO HAVE BENEFITTED FROM THE HANDS
ON OF OUR SHELTER PEOPLE HERE. I FIGURED I'D GET SOME
OPINIONS... I DID NOT BELIEVE HE WAS A FERAL CAT WHEN
HE WAS TAKEN IN. HE WAS TOO PRETTY AND QUIET.HE WAS
ALSO RIGHT IN OUR YARDS...THE BASE OF MY FRONT STEP
THAT NIGHT HE AND MY CAT FOUGHT. BESIDES,   I HAVE
ALWAYS BEEN TOLD, BY MY FRIENDS INVOLVED WITH FERALS, 
ONE WAY YOU CAN TELL A FERAL FROM A DOMESTIC, IS
FERALS GO CRAZY IN TRAPS AND SCREAM THEIR HEADS OFF,
DOMESTICS ARE USUALLY QUIET. THIS GUY WAS VERY CALM
AFTER I BEGAN TALKING TO HIM. 
AFTER THIS LETTER I WILL BE OFF THIS SUBJECT, BUT
ANYONE OUT THERE, WHO HAS ANY INSIGHT ON THIS SUBJECT,
PLEASE WRITE TO ME, BECAUSE I FEEL WE CAN ALL LEARN
FROM EACH ONE OF  OUR OWN SCREWUPS :ONE OF THE
BEAUTIFUL THINGS ABOUT THIS SITE.
THANK YOU, GLENDA 
--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well this sounds like a very costly lesson for you,
> your friend, but esp for Marmalade.  There are some
> details missing from the story and I'm a bit
> confused.  Why, if you were interested in helping
> this cat did you and your friend decide to call
> animal control in the first place?  What did you
> think was going to happen when you told them you had
> a feral cat in a trap and asked them to come and get
> it?  An owner relinquished cat has very little
> chance of making it out alive from a kill "shelter",
> esp during kitten season when there are so many
> looking for homes, a feral cat has even less of a
> chance.  I would pray that since you have made it so
> clear to the staff at the shelter that you want to
> help this cat that they would take pity on him and
> release him to you, but I doubt that is going to
> happen unless you come up with some sort of
> subterfuge, or get very, very insistent.  It may
> already be too late.  If it were me and I was ready
> to make a life-long commitment to Marmalade, I'd
> find someone from my neighborhood that hasn't
> already been involved to go with me to the shelter
> and claim that Marmalade belongs to them.  I'd tell
> them that I found out that he is an "outside cat"
> and here's his owner.  There will be fines to pay,
> and they may still refuse to let you have him, but
> at this point it's probably your best chance of
> saving his life.
> 
> I can tell from the few previous posts I've read
> from you that you are a caring person and would not
> have set all this in motion if you had known your
> shelter's policies.  Perhaps this experience will
> turn you into an advocate for feral and stray cats
> and in Marmalade's name you will save others from a
> similar experience.  Please educate yourself on TNR
> and other things you can do to champion the cause of
> feral/stray cats.  I don't know the sort of person
> you are, but if you are really willing to get
> involved you can turn your frustration over this
> into a benefit by working to change your local
> shelter's policies.  Some of our most imp

Fwd: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...

[glenda Goodman]

--- glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:59:33 -0700 (PDT)
> From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> 
> HELLO EVERYONE, 
> THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE ADVICE AND SUPPORT.
> THE
> WORST HAS HAPPENED. I FEEL REALLY HORRIBLE RIGHT
> NOW. 
> I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW THE WORST
> HAPPENED:  
> WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS HE WAS PUT DOWN, BY MISTAKE. HIS
> PAPER WORK WAS NOT READ. FOR AS OFTEN AS I WENT DOWN
> THERE AND BUGGED THEM, I GUESS I ASSUMED EVERYONE
> KNEW. EVEN THOUGH HE WAS IN THE 'WILD CAT'
> SECTION...I
> GUESS THE LESSON HERE IS: 
> 
> EVEN IF YOU KNOW YOU ARE MAKING PEOPLE ANGRY AND
> UPSET
> WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING AN ANIMAL DO NOT BE
> AFRAID
> TO GET IN SOMEONE'S FACE. THE FACT I DID NOT RUB IT
> IN
> A LITTLE MORE ON MY RIDE HOME FROM WORK TUESDAY
> NIGHT
> MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE REASON THIS MISTAKE HAPPENED. 
> 
> THE DIRECTOR, A REALLY SPECIAL PERSON, WHO I DO LOVE
> AND RESPECT AND WITH WHOM I  HAVE A GOOD
> RELATIONSHIP,
> TOLD ME THE MINUTE THE MISTAKE WAS REALIZED SHE TOOK
> MARMALADE'S LITTLE BODY TO THE CLINIC DOWN THE
> STREET,
> TO THE VET. HE WAS TESTED BY A GAL NAMED DARCY AT
> MIDTOWN ANIMAL HOSPITAL IN GERING, NEBRASKA. THE
> TEST
> WAS NEGATIVE FOR FeLV AND FIV. THEY ESTIMATED THE
> CAT
> TO BE ABOUT 2-YEARS OLD. I WAS TOLD THEY FIRST
> NOTICED
> A LOT OF BATTLE SCARS ON HIM ,SO THEY THOUGHT HE
> MIGHT
> TEST POSITIVE...WELL, HE DIDNOT  TEST  
> POSITIVE! 
> 
> I TOLD DEB S. , THE DIRECTOR, ON THE PHONE I WOULD
> HAVE FOUGHT HER TOOTH AND NAIL TO SAVE THIS CAT IF
> HE
> WERE ALIVE AND TESTED OUT LIKE HE DID AND BEING
> YOUNG
> LIKE HE WAS...SHE COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDS WHERE I"M
> COMING FROM AND I DO BELIEVE WE COULD HAVE COME TO A
> SOLUTION SOMEHOW. SHE IS A VERY GOOD PERSON AND LIKE
> THE REST OF US ,BUT WITH A VERY HARD JOB...THE GAL,
> A
> WORKER AT THE HUMANE SOCIETY TOLD ME EVERYONE FELT
> SICK YESTERDAY AFTER THIS HAPPENED. 
> 
> WE ALL HAVE SUCH A LONG WAY TO GO TO MASTER THE
> PERFECT WAYS TO PROTECT OUR ANIMALS. IT REALLY IS
> JUST
> SUCH A HARD WORLD...I THINK EVERYONE OF US COULD
> JUST
> CRY OUR EYES OUT ALL DAY LONG FOR ALL THE SADNESS IN
> THE WORLD. I DO APPRECIATE YOU GUYS SO MUCH! 
> 
> I WILL BE TALKING WITH A COUPLE OF THESE FERAL CAT
> ORGANIZATIONS TO SEE WHAT IT TAKES TO GET SOMETHING
> STARTED HERE. 
> THIS MORNING WHEN I WAS TALKING TO DEB, OUR HS
> DIRECTOR HERE, SHE TOLD ME SHE DID NOT LIKE THE TNR
> PROGRAMS THAT MUCH. I PERSONALLY, COULD ONLY AGREE
> WITH SUCH PROGRAMS IF ALL THE CATS WERE DISEASE FREE
> AND VERY WELL CARED FOR...THAT TAKES A LOT OF PEOPLE
> WILLING TO BE VERY INVOLVED. 
> I WILL TELL YOU, I LIVED IN MAUI, HAWAII FOR CLOSE
> TO
> FIVE YEARS , 2001-2005.  I WAS ON THE BOARD OF THEIR
> HUMANE SOCIETY FOR ROUGHLY A YEAR + AND I BECAME
> AWARE
> OF THE FERAL CAT SITUATION THERE, WHICH IS MASSIVE.
> I
> HAD FRIENDS INVOLVED WHO WERE SO SELFLESS, SO
> DEDICATED...THERE IS HUGE SUPPORT THERE FOR SUCH
> PROGRAMS...SADLY, ALL FREE ROAMING CATS ARE HARD ON
> BIRDS...SOMETHING TO CONSIDER...IT IS JUST A MATTER
> OF
> SPAYING/NEUTERING. WITH ALL THE PEOPLE WORKING SO
> HARD
> I CANNOT IMAGINE AN END TO THE PROBLEM,BUT THEY ARE
> PUTTING A DENT IF ONLY TO KEEP THE POPULATIONS IN
> CHECK...
> I'M OFF TO MY JOB. I FEEL A LITTLE BETTER HAVING YOU
> GUYS OUT THERE TO TALK TO. IF I DECIDE TO START UP A
> PROGRAM HERE BY TRYING TO GATHER PEOPLE WILLING TO
> GET
> INVOLVED, IT WILL BE CALLED "MARMALADE'S WILD KITTY
> ORGANIZATION, SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I SERIOUSLY FEEL
> HE
> WAS A SPECIAL CAT...BUT AREN'T THEY ALL? 
>  I HAVE ALWAYS BELIEVED SOMETHING BAD NEEDS TO BRING
> SOMETHING GOOD IN IT'S PLACE.
> FOR ALL OF YOU OUT THERE THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE LOST
> ON MY STORY HERE, THE REASON I WANTED THIS CAT
> TESTED,
> IN THE FIRST PLACE, WAS BECAUSE HE TANGLED WITH MY
> ADORED KITTY, FEETO. FEETO GOT BIT ON HIS FACE ABOUT
> 8-DAYS AGO WHILE THIS CAT WAS CHECKING OUR HOME OUT
> AS
> A PROSPECT FOR A GOOD LIFE. FEETO HAD JUST RAN
> OUTSIDE
> TO THE BASE OF OUR FRONT STEP.
> MARMALADE,  ALSO, SPENT TIME AT MY FRIEND'S DOWN THE
> STREET...HE JUST SHOWED UP IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD A
> COUPLE WEEKS AGO.I DID ADMIRE THE INTELLIGENCE OF
> THIS
> CAT FOR THE WAY HE THOUGHT AND I RESPECT A SURVIVOR.
> HE WAS BEAUTIFUL TOO, WITH HUGE WHITE FEET. I LOVE
> KITTY FEET!  I STILL PICTURE HIM...HE DID MAKE AN
> IMPRESSION ON ME. 
> THANK YOU GUYS...LATER, GLENDA 
>  
> 
> 
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OT: Exactly what are my rights here?

[glenda Goodman]

Hello everyone,
Several of you here know my story about trapping an
orange and white cat , whom I named Marmalade. The cat
was trapped this last Sunday night in my personal
trap. The cat was then transported to our local
shelter by a policeman. When the cat was turned over,
he became the property of the county shelter...He was
trapped at my friend's house, together we decided to
call the officer...
The shelter decided Monday morning he was a
wild"feral" cat and told me he was put in with the
wild kitties and would have to be put down. They did
say they would wait 3-days to see if anyone came
forward to claim him. I went in Monday morning to see
the kitty and get my trap back...I was told I could
not see him. I asked if I could take him to be
tested.After some discussion, I was told I could. I
made the appt. for that Monday. I was then told I
could not test him until Thursday, after the 3-day
waiting period. I went to the shelter yesterday
morning to visit the kitty. I just wanted to see him ,
see if he might talk back to me, show some sign of
wanting me to work with him. I was told by a worker
,because he was in the wild kitty section, I  was not
allowed to see him...I was told the reason being they
were worried about liability...I tried to understand
their point and did not want to be too much of a thorn
in their behind, because at least they had given me
permission to have the cat tested on Thursday morning.
I had an appt. for 9:15 am. The shelter opens at
9:00am. I was using the same vet they use...
Last night I was heading down to the shelter after
work and had decided to bring up some points about if
this kitty tested negative for the FeLV and FIV and I
decided to neuter this cat...after all I already had
an investment in the cat and if the cat were
young...looked under three years old...was there maybe
someone who might enjoy the challenge of working with
a feral...if indeed this cat was a feral...Things like
that...I called my friend on the way home and decided
one more day would not hurt that much and at least
after the test I'd have one important plus to work
with if the cat tested clean...Us cat people do tend
to rattle people enough as it is...
Well, I got home tonight and there was a message on my
phone from the director of our shelter...It was: Hi
Glenda, I have some good and bad news for you.  If you
get this before 7:00pm give me a call @Otherwise
call me in the morning...I got the message after 
9:00pm.
Well guys, nothing like suspense...I hate to jump to
conclusions , but I bet they put the cat down...and
they will tell me he tested neg. 
I will be on the computer to tell everyone the rest of
the story in the morning...
The fact the beginning of the story is a story in
itself, should hold everyone until morning...I
seriously wonder what the wild cat area is like??? I'd
like to know what they do with ferals after they are
caught here...? I am going to be talking to feral cat
people in other neighboring areas to see what type of
programs they have...Thanks for reading this.
Glenda


  

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Re: OT: Adam's recovery

[glenda Goodman]

Thanks Susan! This is great! Thanks too for
remembering the little guy. I guess his destiny is to
help other little critters like himself from the bad
people out there. 
His Catster page is really sweet!
 Glenda
--- Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> http://www1. pressdemocrat. com/apps/ pbcs.dll/
> section?Category
>
=MEDIA&bcpid=770169275&bclid=769393745&bctid=458181
> 
> http://www.forgotte nfelines. com/v4/adam_
> updates.shtml
> 
> Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
> www.shadowcats.net
>   "As Cleopatra lay
> in state,
>Faithful Bast at
> her side did wait,
>Purring welcomes
> of soft applause,
>Ever guarding
> with sharpened claws."
>  Trajan
> Tennent
> 
> 
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Re: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued cat

[glenda Goodman]

Such a good story...It is so wonderful to see the
improvements like this. Good luck at the vet's. Glenda
--- Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


-

Thanks Susan.  My mom and I both work and I don't live
with her, so we do the best we can with feeding her. 
She has already stopped eating like a fiend and she
will stop when she gets full.  The only way we have
gotten her to eat crunchies is by putting them in the
bowl with the wet food.  She will eat the wet food
first and then later, snack on the crunchies.  I
started her on Wellness Kitten wet food last night
(per Tad's suggestion)-- I knew that- that it's high
calorie!  It's just in the heat of the moment, I guess
you forget these things, so it's nice to have people
to remind you.  I also started her on Wellness dry
crunchies (she was just eating regular adult
Wellness).  

I am worried about her liver function, but I have her
on Nutrical (since Sunday), so hopefully, we have
staved off a problem there, but I guess we will find
out.  We are taking her to a vet tomorrow.  

She is still showing the third eyelid a lot, but the
weepy eyes are much improved and in fact, when I
treated them with Terramycin last night, I did not see
any green discharge.  

She has not thrown up at all, so she's definitely not
gorging herself.  Last night, when my mom and I were
visiting her, she drank water for the first time in
front of us and she drank A TON!  

She is so much more perky too.  She seems so happy--
she purrs and kneads all the time.  And a good sign-
even if it makes my job a little harder- when I go to
treat her eyes or hold her, she's started squirming
and she even got away from me one time.  So clearly,
she is getting her strength back to some extent. 
She's even broke into a little jog to go see my mom
when she came in the room (and she was NOT doing that
when we first brought her in).  She loves the a/c more
than any cat I have seen and she "watches" the TV that
we leave on for her.

I put a "found cat" ad on Craigslist yesterday, but
haven't heard anything yet.  It will take me a while
to get to the other websites to list her.  The focus
now is rehabilitating her.

Thanks for your insight!

Caroline  



-
From: "Susan Dubose" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: 
Subject: Re: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued cat
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:15:07 -0500

When cats are severly emaciated, it is best to give
them several "small" meals per day, as opposed to
allowing any free feeding.
 
This keeps them from getting sick.
 
I would have a complete blood panel done, also, to
verify that her liver / kidneys are functioning ok.
 
Thanks for saving her, Caroline, and thank your mom
too.
 
You probably got her right in the nick of time.
 
Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in
state,
   Faithful Bast at
her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of
soft applause,
   Ever guarding with
sharpened claws."
 Trajan
Tennent
 
 
 
 
- Original Message - 
From: Caroline Kaufmann 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:09 AM
Subject: OT: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued cat


I did a cat rescue on Sat. of a spayed, long-haired
female that was clearly a house-cat that had been
hanging out in my mom's neighborhood for about 3
weeks.  My mom had told the neighbor across the street
that I had a foster cat and so he thought I would know
what to do once he'd finally determined the cat did
not have a home (you know how it goes!).  I took one
look at her and decided we needed to move fast- she'd
already been outside too long.  She had a collar on
with a rabies tag on it with the vet's number, but by
the time we got her in a carrier and I had the collar
off (it had rubbed the fur off her neck) the vet's was
closed.  My mom left a message w/ the vet's, but come
Mon. morn., still hadn't heard back.  On Mon., she
drove past the vet clinic and it's closed- like out of
business!!!  We were hoping to match up the rabies tag
number with the owner, however, my mom is really
skittish about actually finding the owner because
there's no free newspaper ad looking for her, there's
no signs up in the neighborhood, and she was in SUCH
bad shape when we found her...?  Also, my mom says the
vet the cat went to to at least get her rabies shot is
"not a good one," so she is reluctant to just
immediately turn this cat over, even if we do find the
owners- which at this point, is not looking promising
anyway.  
 
We haven't taken her to a vet yet because we thought
we would maybe find the owners, and now I am trying to
work my Shamrock contact to see if I can get her in
with a Shamrock vet who will give us a discounted
price.  When

Re: Sammy's fever is 106!

[glenda Goodman]

Taylor and Sammy, My heart is with you guys. Glenda 
--- Taylor Scobie Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Well, Sammy went back to the Nice Ladies at Animal
> 911 because when I  
> took his temperature this evening it was 106.  He
> had been hiding  
> yesterday morning and then staying in my mom's room
> and not following  
> me and/or his brothers around all day.  So he's
> staying the night and  
> I'll pick him up for another blood transfusion at
> Animal Emergency in  
> 5-1/2 hours.  I just got home from Animal 911. 
> Little one needs  
> prayers.
> 
> Nitie Nite,
> 
> Tee
> 
> 
> "Consciousness is Causal
>   and Physicality is its
>   Manifestation."
> 
> 
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Re: NEW vaccination protocols announced today

[glenda Goodman]

 JANE, THANK YOU! 
HOW EXCITING TO BE ABLE TO GET THIS NEW INFORMATION.
ASK ME WHY I LOVE THIS SITE AND ALL YOU GUYS...GLENDA
--- Jane Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> >
> This information was released today. Because yearly
> vaccinations are  
> the primary source of income for many
> veterinarian practices, and because pharmaceutical
> companies have  
> lobbied against this protocol, this has
> been a long time coming. This version is a
> compromise, but  
> nevertheless the danger of over vaccination and
> of many vaccines is beginning to be acknowledged.
> There are many vets who, prior to this protocol, do
> not vaccinate for  
> Feline Leukemia because of ineffective
> results and sometimes lethal consequences.
> Jane
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Dr. Dodd's vaccination protocol is now being 
> adopted by ALL 27 North
> > American veterinary schools.  I highly  recommend
> that you read
> > this.  Copy and save it to your  files.  Print it
> and pass it out at
> > dog fairs, cat shows, kennel  club meetings, dog
> parks, give a copy
> > to your veterinarian and  groomer, etc.
> >
> > Get the word out. 
> >
> > VACCINATION NEWS  FLASH
> >
> > I would like to make you aware that all 27
> veterinary  schools in
> > North America are in the process of changing their
>  protocols for
> > vaccinating dogs and cats. Some of this
> information will  present an
> > ethical & economic challenge to vets, and there
> will be  skeptics.
> >
> > Some organizations have come up with a political 
> compromise
> > suggesting vaccinations every 3 years to appease
> those who  fear loss
> > of income vs. those concerned about potential side
> > effects.  Politics, traditions, or the doctor's
> economic well being
> > should not  be a factor in medical decision.
> >
> > NEW PRINCIPLES OF  IMMUNOLOGY
> > "Dogs and cats immune systems mature fully at 6 
> months.  If a
> > modified live virus vaccine is given after 6
> months  of age, it
> > produces an immunity which is good for the life of
> the pet  (ie:
> > canine Distemper, Parvo, Feline distemper).  If
> another MLV  vaccine
> > is given a year later, the antibodies from the
> first
> > vaccine  neutralize the antigens of the second
> vaccine, and there is
> > little or  no effect. The titer is not "boosted"
> nor are more memory
> > cells  induced." Not only are annual boosters for
> parvo and
> > distemper  unnecessary, they subject the pet to
> potential risks of
> > allergic  reactions, and immune-mediated hemolytic
> anemia.  "There is
> > no  scientific documentation to back up label
> claims for
> > annual  administration of MLV vaccines."  Puppies
> receive
> > antibodies  through their mothers milk.  This
> natural protection can
> > last  8-14 weeks.
> >
> > Puppies & kittens should NOT be vaccinated at 
> LESS than 8
> > weeks.  Maternal immunity will neutralize the 
> vaccine, and little
> > protection (0-38%) will be produced. Vaccination 
> at 6 weeks will,
> > however, delay the timing of the first highly 
> effective
> > vaccine.  Vaccinations given 2 weeks apart
> suppress  rather than
> > stimulate the immune system.  A series of 
> vaccinations is given
> > starting at 8 weeks and given 3-4 weeks apart up 
> to 16 weeks of
> > age.  Another vaccination given sometime after 6 
> months of age
> > (usually at 1 year 4 mo) will provide Lifetime 
> immunity.
> >
> >
> >   CURRENT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR  DOGS
> > Distemper & Parvo
> > "According to Dr. Schultz, AVMA,  8-15-95, when a
> vaccinations series
> > given at 2, 3 & 4 months and  again at 1 year with
> a MLV, puppies and
> > kitten program memory cells  that survive for
> life, providing
> > lifelong immunity." Dr. Carmichael at  Cornell and
> Dr. Schultz have
> > studies showing immunity against  challenge at
> 2-10 years for canine
> > distemper & 4 years for  parvovirus. Studies for
> longer duration are
> > pending.  "There are  no new strains of parvovirus
> as one mfg. would
> > like to suggest.   Parvovirus vaccination provides
> cross immunity for
> > all types."   Hepatitis (Adenovirus) is one of the
> agents known to be
> > a cause of  kennel cough.  Only vaccines with
> CAV-2 should be used as
> > CAV-1  vaccines carry the risk of "hepatitis
> blue-eye" reactions &
> > kidney  damage.
> >
> > Bordetella Parainfluenza: Commonly called "Kennel 
> cough" Recommended
> > only for those dogs boarded, groomed, taken to dog
>  shows, or for any
> > reason housed where exposed to a lot of dogs. The 
> intranasal vaccine
> > provides more complete and more rapid onset of 
> immunity with less
> > chance of reaction.  Immunity requires 72  hours,
> and does not
> > protect from every cause of kennel cough. Immunity
>  is of short
> > duration (4 to 6 months).
> >
> >   RABIES
> > There  have been no reported cases of rabid dogs
> or cats in
> > Harris,  Montogomery or Ft. Bend Counties [Texas],
> there have been
> > rabid skunks  and bats so the potential exists. It
> is a killed
> > va

Re: FIV infected kittes

[glenda Goodman]

NINA, EXCELLENT LETTER! I"M FORWARDING THIS TO THE
GALS WITH THE FIV+ KITTENS. THEY REALLY NEED THIS
PERSPECTIVE. THANK YOU SO MUCH! GLENDA
--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello Group,
> I just saw that someone was asking for help with an
> fiv tested kitten.  
> The following is a post I archived from a trusted
> list member, (MC) 
> about this subject:
> 
>  > there is essentially no such thing as an FIV
> positive kittens.
> maternal transmission is incredibly rare, and is
> still not even
> considered a normal mode of infection. kittens with
> an infected mom
> will test positive until mom's antibodies are out of
> her
> system--between 6-10 months.
> 
> no sanctuary or rescue that specializes in FIV cats
> will take a cat
> without a positive western blot test, as the snap
> test is only about
> 60% accurate. a western blot given before a kitten
> is old enough for
> mom's immunities to have worn off WILL test
> positive, but it won't
> mean anything.
> 
> i would NEVER vaccinate a cat against FIV--if the
> cat ever gets out
> and into the shelter system, he will test positve
> (not maybe,
> DEFINITELY), and unless he's microchipped and
> someone actually checks
> his record to see he's been vaccinated, his chances
> of living long
> enough to be found by you is slim to none.
> 
> almost all FIV is spread via DEEP, PENETRATING
> WOUNDS--the sort that
> boy cats inflict while fighting over girls. that's
> why a high
> percentage of FIV cats are boys, with those girls
> who have it probably
> getting it during rough sex.
> 
> once neutered, almost all male cats lose any desire
> to be that
> aggressive. in cases where a tom DOES remain
> aggressive, filing down
> or even removing the canine teeth makes it
> impossible for him to bite
> deeply enough to pass on the virus. most FIV cats,
> once neutered, seem
> to turn into very healthy, very large, very lazy,
> very cuddly couch
> potatoes.
> 
> at the sanctuary where i worked, many FIV cats ended
> up becoming
> forever cats of the volunteers, because they were
> just such
> sweethearts.
> 
> i have two FIVs in my household right now, a timid
> flamepoint himmie
> who must have gotten out and been attacked cuz
> there's NO way he would
> have initiated an argument on his own, and an
> adolescent coonie. FIV
> cats tend to be very healthy--they have a higher
> incidence of herpes
> infections (easily kept in check with the addition
> of lysine), and a
> tendency toward other mouth problems. they get sick
> just like normal
> cats, and they get better when treated in a timely
> manner, just like
> normal cats!
> 
> as one of my vets puts it, FIV cats die WITH the
> virus, not from it.
> 
> it is TOTALLY different from FeLV in how it's
> spread, and how it
> manifests itself. (well, after 18 years, the
> sanctuary director thinks
> that being fat and lazy and cuddly are the only
> consistent symptoms of
> FIV.)
> 
> here are two of the better articles on FIV:
> http://www.afa.arlington.ma.us/FIV.html
>
http://www.bestfriends.org/theanimals/petcare/cats_fiv.cfm
> 
> MC
> -- 
> MaryChristine
> 
> AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
> MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ICQ: 289856892
> 
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Re: Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice here...

[glenda Goodman]

Hi Marylyn, 
At this point I am dealing with, what I believe, is a
very determined , aggressive kitty, desperately
seeking a 'good' home. What makes me say this is, my
best friend down the street, was also affected by
Marmalade. She has one kitty, Addey, whom is like an
obsession to her, and this is putting it mildly...
Addey is her only cat, because Addey controls the
home. Otherwise, my friend would have at least one
more cat...Anyway, Addey is allowed outside.My friend
has a beautiful yard/home and there is a lovely ravene
area behind my friend's house, where Addey likes to
hunt...My friend will not deprive her of her joys in
life and I have begged my friend to please not allow
Addey out after dark, advice like that...We do have
foxes, etc.
 Well, Marmalade would make the rounds between my
friend's house and mine. We are less than a block
apart. Marmalade was being very aggressive with Addey
too and there were howling matches during the day and
evening, but I do not believe any violent contacts. I
had heard it is rare for a male cat to be so
aggressive with a female...I do not doubt it was just
a matter of time before Marmalade would have had a
physical conflict with Addey. 
It would take a huge adjustment with my cats and the
other cats in the neighborhood to welcome Marmalade. I
know once a kitty feels secure, there would be no
competition and of course, after being neutered, that
would probably do the trick. If I had fewer of my own
cats and the time to put in a rehabiliation project
like this, I would do it, because it would, along with
everything else, be very interesting. I am only hoping
right now, these couple of days at the shelter, settle
Marmalade down and perhaps there is a different side
to him. I'll be visiting him today and talking to the
shelter people. Thursday morning is the FeLV/FIV test.
My old vet, who is only a few blocks from the shelter,
will be testing him and during the physical handling
of Marmalade he can also give me his opinion. I'm sure
he will love testing him...I do not think it will be
fun for him...my vet. We shall see? 
I do appreciate the sensitivity and caring nature of
everyone here. I so completely understand, because I
feel the same way...Thank you, Glenda  
--- Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Can you let Marmalade be your cat too?  Little
> ferals make the most 
> wonderful friends and he would love to work for you
> and live with you.  It 
> sounds as though he has learned who the boss cat is.
>  Dixie has some cats 
> that report to her.  We live on a farm and she is an
> inside cat, having 
> carefully worked her way into my heart the way
> Marmalade is trying to work 
> into yours.  There are cats, one particular here,
> that hangs out and helps 
> with the varmint chores outside.  Mom has three that
> hang out at her house 
> and she hasn't had a mouse in over 11 years.  A
> shelter and food go a long 
> way toward taming a cat.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  If
> you have men who will 
> exclude any of God's creatures
> 
> from the shelter of 
> compassion and pity, you will have men who
> 
> will deal likewise with 
> their fellow man.
> 
>  St. 
> Francis
> - Original Message - 
> From: "glenda Goodman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 10:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice
> here...
> 
> 
> > THANK YOU WENDY, YES, I WILL TAKE IT UPON MYSELF
> TO
> > CHANGE THE FATE OF MARMALADE, ESPECIALLY SINCE HE
> > WOULD NOT BE WHERE HE IS IF IT WERE NOT FOR ME. IF
> HE
> > TESTS NEG. I WILL HAVE SOMETHING TO WORK WITH. WE
> ARE
> > IN THE STONE AGE HERE MENTALLY, WHEN IT COMES TO
> CATS.
> > I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE EVEN IN HAWK SPRINGS , WYO.
> > THERE IS A FERAL RESCUE GROUP CONSIDERING WYOMING
> DOES
> > NOT EVEN HAVE DECENT ANIMAL CRUELTY LAWS. THEY ARE
> SO
> > BACKWARDS. I THINK DOG FIGHTING IS STILL LEGAL
> THERE?
> > SOMEONE MIGHT CHECK THIS OUT IF THEY ARE
> > WONDERING.WHEN I WAS CRUISING petfinder.com I
> FOUND A
> > SHELTER IN HAWK SPRINGS, WYOMING WITH A REALLY
> AMAZING
> > WEB-SITE. IT IS VERY ADVANCED...INTERESTING.  I
> WAS
> > ALSO VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE WEB-SITE FOR SHELTERS
> IN
> > MONTANA. GO TO montanapets.org
> > IT IS BEAUTIFULLY ORGANIZED. IT LETS YOU CLICK ALL
> THE
> > SHELTERS IN THE STATE. EVERY STATE SHOULD BE SET
> UP
> > LIKE THAT. IT MAKES COMMUNICATING and COOPERATION
> > BETWEEN SHELTERS SO EASY ...WELL, ENOUGH OF THE
> > CHATTER. I"M O

Re: Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice here...

[glenda Goodman]

THANK YOU WENDY, YES, I WILL TAKE IT UPON MYSELF TO
CHANGE THE FATE OF MARMALADE, ESPECIALLY SINCE HE
WOULD NOT BE WHERE HE IS IF IT WERE NOT FOR ME. IF HE
TESTS NEG. I WILL HAVE SOMETHING TO WORK WITH. WE ARE
IN THE STONE AGE HERE MENTALLY, WHEN IT COMES TO CATS.
I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE EVEN IN HAWK SPRINGS , WYO.
THERE IS A FERAL RESCUE GROUP CONSIDERING WYOMING DOES
NOT EVEN HAVE DECENT ANIMAL CRUELTY LAWS. THEY ARE SO
BACKWARDS. I THINK DOG FIGHTING IS STILL LEGAL THERE?
SOMEONE MIGHT CHECK THIS OUT IF THEY ARE
WONDERING.WHEN I WAS CRUISING petfinder.com I FOUND A
SHELTER IN HAWK SPRINGS, WYOMING WITH A REALLY AMAZING
WEB-SITE. IT IS VERY ADVANCED...INTERESTING.  I WAS
ALSO VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE WEB-SITE FOR SHELTERS IN
MONTANA. GO TO montanapets.org
IT IS BEAUTIFULLY ORGANIZED. IT LETS YOU CLICK ALL THE
SHELTERS IN THE STATE. EVERY STATE SHOULD BE SET UP
LIKE THAT. IT MAKES COMMUNICATING and COOPERATION
BETWEEN SHELTERS SO EASY ...WELL, ENOUGH OF THE
CHATTER. I"M OFF TO BED. THANK YOU AGAIN, EVERYONE,
FOR YOUR HELP. GLENDA
--- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Glenda,
> 
> I would point those ladies in the direction of an
> online FIV group.  I don't know of one specifically,
> but I know there are several out there.  Yahoo
> probably has one.  You can search for them on the
> Internet.  
> 
> I don't know what to tell you about your situation
> with Marmalade.  It's such a shame that this
> gorgeous cat has to be put down.  Such a shame.  Is
> there not a feral group anywhere in Nebraska you can
> contact?  What about Alley Cat Allies
> (http://www.alleycat.org/)?  Can you see if there is
> someone who is already feeding a feral colony
> somewhere close to you (ACA might know of someone)
> who might take him in especially if he's negative
> for everything?  Here's a link to Feral Friends
> Network, through ACA:
> http://www.alleycat.org/feral_friends.html  Here's
> the link to Feline Friendz in Omaha:
> http://www.felinefriendz.org/  Do you think you can
> have this cat spayed/neutered while he's at the
> vets, maybe at a discounted rate?  You might as
> well.  I would not have him put down though.  That
> just doesn't seem right.  After all, you said you
> thought he was looking for love and food.  It would
> be horrible if he found pts instead.  I think most
> kitties hiss while
>  in traps b/c they are scared.  My Ensie, the one I
> brought home from NC, is doing great.  She jumps in
> my lap and purrs now.  It's so strange, when only
> less than a month ago she was freaking out in the
> cage she was trapped in.
> 
> I would not worry too much about Feeto's bite,
> especially since he's on antibiotics AND the wound
> has already drained.  Keep an eye on the wound and
> make sure it heals up all right.  Good luck Glenda.
> 
> :)
> Wendy
>  
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
> is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade
> ~~~
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message 
> From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Monday, August 6, 2007 7:18:37 PM
> Subject: Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice here...
> 
> 
> --- glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:11:53 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: OT: need a little quick advice here...
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > 
> > Hi Everyone,
> > Well there are two subjects here I want to get
> > advice
> > and support on. 
> > Today my very wonderful vet called me to ask if I
> > knew
> > of a rescue facility that took FIV+ kitties. It
> > seems
> > a couple of her clients came in today and received
> > the
> > bad news that their two kittens had tested
> positive
> > for FIV. She told me, the people who had the
> kittens
> > were sisters and both very bright, educated
> > gals...one
> > being an attorney, even...so, obviously having
> good
> > minds, I am hoping,  they might give our group
> here
> > a
> > visit and be interested in learning, from this
> very
> > progressive site...I will be talking to them later
> > today and try to convince them not to panic and
> not
> > opt to have their kittens put down. I do not know
> of
> > any rescue groups that would take these
> > kittens...This
> > is what they had asked my vet, Dr. Kim Collet,
> here,
> > in Scottsbluff, Nebraska, if she knew of a rescue
> > organization they could turn these kittens over
> to. 
> > 
> >  They do have other 

Re: Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice here...

[glenda Goodman]

HIDEYO, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. I'M FORWARDING EMAILS
TO THESE LADIES. I WILL CALL THEM IN A COUPLE DAYS TO
CHECK ON HOW THEY ARE DECIDING TO APPROACH THEIR
ISSUES...THANKS, GLENDA
--- HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I already mentioned in my last email-join FIVcats2
> yahoo group - Susan Hoffman is the moderator, I
> believe -it's a very active group.
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: wendy<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>   To:
>
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> 
>   Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:57 PM
>   Subject: Re: Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice
> here...
> 
> 
>   Hi Glenda,
> 
>   I would point those ladies in the direction of an
> online FIV group.  I don't know of one specifically,
> but I know there are several out there.  Yahoo
> probably has one.  You can search for them on the
> Internet.  
> 
>   I don't know what to tell you about your situation
> with Marmalade.  It's such a shame that this
> gorgeous cat has to be put down.  Such a shame.  Is
> there not a feral group anywhere in Nebraska you can
> contact?  What about Alley Cat Allies
>
(http://www.alleycat.org/<http://www.alleycat.org/>)?
>  Can you see if there is someone who is already
> feeding a feral colony somewhere close to you (ACA
> might know of someone) who might take him in
> especially if he's negative for everything?  Here's
> a link to Feral Friends Network, through ACA:
>
http://www.alleycat.org/feral_friends.html<http://www.alleycat.org/feral_friends.html>
>  Here's the link to Feline Friendz in Omaha:
>
http://www.felinefriendz.org/<http://www.felinefriendz.org/>
>  Do you think you can have this cat spayed/neutered
> while he's at the vets, maybe at a discounted rate? 
> You might as well.  I would not have him put down
> though.  That just doesn't seem right.  After all,
> you said you thought he was looking for love and
> food.  It would be horrible if he found pts instead.
>  I think most kitties hiss while
>in traps b/c they are scared.  My Ensie, the one
> I brought home from NC, is doing great.  She jumps
> in my lap and purrs now.  It's so strange, when only
> less than a month ago she was freaking out in the
> cage she was trapped in.
> 
>   I would not worry too much about Feeto's bite,
> especially since he's on antibiotics AND the wound
> has already drained.  Keep an eye on the wound and
> make sure it heals up all right.  Good luck Glenda.
> 
>   :)
>   Wendy
>
>   "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
> is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade
> ~~~
> 
> 
>   - Original Message 
>   From: glenda Goodman
>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
>   To:
>
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
>   Sent: Monday, August 6, 2007 7:18:37 PM
>   Subject: Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice
> here...
> 
> 
>   --- glenda Goodman
>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> wrote:
> 
>   > Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:11:53 -0700 (PDT)
>   > From: glenda Goodman
>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
>   > Subject: OT: need a little quick advice here...
>   > To:
>
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
>   > 
>   > Hi Everyone,
>   > Well there are two subjects here I want to get
>   > advice
>   > and support on. 
>   > Today my very wonderful vet called me to ask if
> I
>   > knew
>   > of a rescue facility that took FIV+ kitties. It
>   > seems
>   > a couple of her clients came in today and
> received
>   > the
>   > bad news that their two kittens had tested
> positive
>   > for FIV. She told me, the people who had the
> kittens
>   > were sisters and both very bright, educated
>   > gals...one
>   > being an attorney, even...so, obviously having
> good
>   > minds, I am hoping,  they might give our group
> here
>   > a
>   > visit and be interested in learning, from this
> very
>   > progressive site...I will be talking to them
> later
>   > today and try to convince them not to panic and
> not
>   > opt to have their kittens put down. I do not
> know of
>   > any rescue groups that would take these
>   > kittens...This
>   > is what they had asked my vet, Dr. Kim Collet,
> here,
>   > in Scottsbluff, Nebraska, if she knew of a
> rescue
>   > organization they could turn these kitte

Re: OT: need a little quick advice here...

[glenda Goodman]

Taylor, I am glad they are willing to keep him the
3-days, with me testing him Thursday I know they will
keep him alive and he may warm up. 
At my house right now, keeping him would be hard,
especially, if he is wild. I work a lot and my kitties
are all on schedules , because I now must divide my
time up for my  six negatives and my one positive
kitty. I have seven kitties. I do not believe in
mixing negatives and positives, even if everyone is
vaccinated...
I will see if Marmalade will give me hope that I can
get through to him. I know he might be willing to
negotiate...I felt that right after he was caught...If
he would talk to me in a sweet kitty voice, I know, he
will be telling me he is going to be trying to get
along with people.I'll visit him tomorrow.  He , has
been completely quiet with me last night, but the lady
at the shelter said, this morning he was howling at
her... They had kept him in his trap all
night...Therefore, she considered him to be "wild". We
do have three days...This town does not have any type
of feral cat people/ program.
I did just start researching FIV online and am soaking
up info. I think I first thought of you guys , because
the support here is so wonderful...and this list gives
people hope...
Thank you, Glenda  
--- Taylor Scobie Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Glenda, if the little wild orange guy Marmalade is
> clean can you--or  
> someone else--take him?  Sometimes a cat that seems
> wild in a shelter  
> is merely scared to death, as for instance he calmed
> right down when  
> you spoke quietly to him.  Bless you for taking him
> to be tested.   
> You've done a very good deed.  If he is positive it
> does not  
> automatically mean little Feeto (WHAT a superb name!
>  I love it!)  
> will get anything OR he may get something and throw
> it off.  It's  
> much easier for an older cat's immune system to
> throw off a virus  
> than, say, a kitten given FeLV by its mother--their
> immune systems  
> are hardly fully developed so it's harder for them
> to mount an immune  
> response to invaders.
> 
> By the way, this month's Scientific American has a
> big article on how  
> cancer cells hijack the human immune system to use
> it for their ends  
> and new chemotherapy protocols in the works. 
> Extremely informative.   
> Also a great learning tool about the immune system
> of mammmals like  
> us AND kitties.
> 
> "Consciousness is Causal
>   and Physicality is its
>   Manifestation."
> 
> 
> On Aug 6, 2007, at 7:18 PM, glenda Goodman wrote:
> 
> >
> > --- glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:11:53 -0700 (PDT)
> >> From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: OT: need a little quick advice here...
> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >>
> >> Hi Everyone,
> >> Well there are two subjects here I want to get
> >> advice
> >> and support on.
> >> Today my very wonderful vet called me to ask if I
> >> knew
> >> of a rescue facility that took FIV+ kitties. It
> >> seems
> >> a couple of her clients came in today and
> received
> >> the
> >> bad news that their two kittens had tested
> positive
> >> for FIV. She told me, the people who had the
> kittens
> >> were sisters and both very bright, educated
> >> gals...one
> >> being an attorney, even...so, obviously having
> good
> >> minds, I am hoping,  they might give our group
> here
> >> a
> >> visit and be interested in learning, from this
> very
> >> progressive site...I will be talking to them
> later
> >> today and try to convince them not to panic and
> not
> >> opt to have their kittens put down. I do not know
> of
> >> any rescue groups that would take these
> >> kittens...This
> >> is what they had asked my vet, Dr. Kim Collet,
> here,
> >> in Scottsbluff, Nebraska, if she knew of a rescue
> >> organization they could turn these kittens over
> to.
> >>
> >>  They do have other cats that share the
> household.
> >> The
> >> kittens are only about 12-weeks old. Can you guys
> >> flood me with some helpful information for these
> >> gals,
> >> so we can give them some hope for their kittens
> and
> >> make them realize there are options...I'm hoping
> >> they
> >> might be willing to sign on to this list,but if
> not
> >> I
> >> will at least forward them some good information
> >> from
> >> you guys...
&g

RE:WHAT DO I GOTTA DO TO BECOME A MEMBER?

[glenda Goodman]

Malone, Thank you. Did you see what I did wrong? I
sent my letter under the wrong email. I'm getting
through now.  Sometimes my computer rolls over to the
old email address. Maybe that happened to you. It
sounds like you got the same message back that I
did...Appreciate your help...Glenda
--- Malone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Glenda! I went through the exact same thing. I
> was getting the posts, yet
> I couldn't get anything posted for over 2 months.
> Sometimes when I send a
> message I get the same response-that the message
> will go to the moderator
> and might be posted. None of them ever were. At the
> beginning I was begging
> for help and words fail me to how upset I was that I
> couldn't get help from
> the group that seemed to know the most. I kept
> reading and I learned a great
> deal. I also kept trying to send a message and
> eventually they finally were
> posted. My advise is be persistent because this
> group is a lifeline,
> especially if you are just learning how to help your
> feline friend that has
> this hideous virus.
> 
> Malone 
> 
> 



   

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[glenda Goodman]

HI EVERYONE, 
GUESS WHAT? THE REASON MY EMAIL DID NOT GO THROUGH IS
BECAUSE MY EMAIL ADDRESS ROLLED OVER TO ANOTHER
ADDRESS I SOMETIMES USE AND THAT ADDRESS WAS NOT
RECOGNIZED. IT WENT THROUGH FAST AND FINE ON MY USUAL
EMAIL. GOSH, IT IS NICE KNOWING I AM A MEMBER! THANK
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Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice here...

[glenda Goodman]

--- glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:11:53 -0700 (PDT)
> From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: OT: need a little quick advice here...
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> Well there are two subjects here I want to get
> advice
> and support on. 
> Today my very wonderful vet called me to ask if I
> knew
> of a rescue facility that took FIV+ kitties. It
> seems
> a couple of her clients came in today and received
> the
> bad news that their two kittens had tested positive
> for FIV. She told me, the people who had the kittens
> were sisters and both very bright, educated
> gals...one
> being an attorney, even...so, obviously having good
> minds, I am hoping,  they might give our group here
> a
> visit and be interested in learning, from this very
> progressive site...I will be talking to them later
> today and try to convince them not to panic and not
> opt to have their kittens put down. I do not know of
> any rescue groups that would take these
> kittens...This
> is what they had asked my vet, Dr. Kim Collet, here,
> in Scottsbluff, Nebraska, if she knew of a rescue
> organization they could turn these kittens over to. 
> 
>  They do have other cats that share the household.
> The
> kittens are only about 12-weeks old. Can you guys
> flood me with some helpful information for these
> gals,
> so we can give them some hope for their kittens and
> make them realize there are options...I'm hoping
> they
> might be willing to sign on to this list,but if not
> I
> will at least forward them some good information
> from
> you guys...
> These two ladies are in their late twenties or early
> thirties...I asked my vet how old they were...We are
> here in farm country where 90% of the vets still
> believe, with all their heart, the only real option,
> is putting positive cats down...
> Now, for my second little problem I'm dealing with
> today: My pride and joy, kitty, Feeto, was at the
> base
> of my step, outside my door about 6-days ago. My son
> had let him outside...It was evening...I do know
> better than to let my kitties outside at night...but
> with my positive kitty and having to be on crazy
> schedules...and keeping everyone seperated, Feeto
> had
> been locked up all day. OK, well the worst
> happened...almost the worst...THERE WAS A STRANGE
> KITTY OUTSIDE IN OUR YARD. HE WAS VERY INTENT ON
> FINDING A GOOD HOME WHERE HE MIGHT BE LOVED AND FED.
> 
> FEETO IS MY LITTLE HERO. HE TAKES CARE OF OUR YARD
> AND
> HIS KITTY FAMILY. FEETO CHASED THAT STRANGE KITTY
> AWAY. HOWEVER , BEFORE IT WAS OVER, THERE WAS A
> BATTLE. THE BATTLE GROUND WAS COVERED IN WHITE AND
> ORANGE FUR THE NEXT DAY. FEETO IS A BROWN TABBY WITH
> 24 VERY SHARP CLAWS. IT WAS OVER ALMOST BEFORE IT
> BEGAN, BUT I WAS SICK KNOWING THERE WAS NO WAY MY
> FEETO DID NOT SUFFER A BITE SOMEWHERE ON HIS BODY. A
> FEW DAYS LATER, I FOUND IT, THE BITE. FEETO'S CHEEK
> WAS ALL PUFFED UP. IT DRAINED THAT NIGHT AND THE
> NEXT
> DAY HE WAS ON ANTIBIOTICS...JUST TO BE SURE. A WEEK
> EARLIER I HAD BOUGHT A CAT TRAP AND HAD BEEN TRYING
> TO
> TRAP THE STRANGE CAT...NO LUCK UNTIL LAST NIGHT.
> WELL,
> TODAY, THE STRANGE CAT IS AT OUR LOCAL SHELTER. HE
> IS
> A PRETTY CAT , BUT THEY SAID HE IS IN WITH THE WILD
> CATS. HE WILL BE PUT DOWN. I WANT TO NAME HIM
> MARMALADE.HE DESERVES A NAME... HE HISSED AT ME LAST
> NIGHT, BUT SETTLED DOWN AFTER I TALKED, QUIETLY TO
> HIM. THEN THE POLICEMAN TOOK HIM AND HAULED HIM OFF
> TO
> THE SHELTER. I WAS TOLD THEY WILL KEEP HIM 3-DAYS.
> THEN HE WILL BE PUT DOWN. 
> I AM VERY WORRIED ABOUT MY FEETO HAVING BEEN BITTEN,
> SO I HAVE GOTTEN PERMISSION TO TAKE HIM, MARMALADE,
> IN
> TO BE TESTED FOR FeLV AND FIV. I TOLD MY FRIEND, IF
> HE
> TESTS CLEAN, IT IS VERY SAD HE WILL BE PUT DOWN, A
> BEAUTIFUL AND HEALTHY CAT...HE ONLY NEEDS A LITTLE
> TIME TO BE SOCIALIZED. WE HAVE NO OPTIONS
> ,WHATSOEVER,HERE, FOR "WILD" KITTIES. MY BRAIN WILL
> BE
> WORKING OVERTIME ON WAYS TO SAVE THIS CAT, 
> ESPECIALLY, IF HE TESTS NEGATIVE...MAYBE I CAN BUY
> HIM
> A LITTLE TIME...I DO KNOW, I PROBABLY DRIVE MY
> SHELTER
> HERE A LITTLE CRAZY, BUT OUR HEARTS ARE REALLY ALL
> IN
> THE SAME PLACE, SO WE AT LEAST DO UNDERSTAND EACH
> OTHER. WE HAVE A VERY LOVING SHELTER HERE, BUT IT IS
> ALWAYS A MATTER OF MONEY AND SPACE...
> I WILL APPRECIATE ALL FEEDBACK. 
> I GUESS MOSTLY, I NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING TO TELL
> THESE
> LADIES THAT HAVE THE FIV+ KITTENS. I WILL ALSO NEED
> A
> LITTLE EDUCATING ABOUT CAT BITES AND WHAT TO EXPECT
> IF
> THIS CAT THAT BIT MY FEE

Re: WHAT DO I GOTTA DO TO BECOME A MEMBER?

[glenda Goodman]

Yup, it was looong. I thought about making two out of
it , but did not want to put everyone through two of
my wordy emails, when one did cover it...
It was an OT concerning FIV, something I am not that
knowledgeable about...
THANK YOU! GLENDA
--- Taylor Scobie Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Oh, no!  Was it so long it w kicked back?  THAT
> happens!
> 
> "Consciousness is Causal
>   and Physicality is its
>   Manifestation."
> 
> 
> On Aug 6, 2007, at 6:29 PM, glenda Goodman wrote:
> 
> > Hey Guys,
> > I just sent this long email to you guys and found
> out
> > I'm not a member of this list...I had a rough day
> the
> > day I found you guys and signed on...thought I was
> a
> > member? I love you guys!
> > Glenda
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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> 
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Re: WHAT DO I GOTTA DO TO BECOME A MEMBER?

[glenda Goodman]

Wendy, I get them via email? I do not know what the
digest is? 
Thanks, Glenda
--- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Glenda,
> 
> If we have been receiving the posts, I'm assuming
> you are a member.  Are you posting through the
> digest are do you read the posts individually via
> email?
> 
> :)
> Wendy
>  
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
> is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade
> ~~~
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Monday, August 6, 2007 6:29:34 PM
> Subject: WHAT DO I GOTTA DO TO BECOME A MEMBER?
> 
> 
> Hey Guys, 
> I just sent this long email to you guys and found
> out
> I'm not a member of this list...I had a rough day
> the
> day I found you guys and signed on...thought I was a
> member? I love you guys! 
> Glenda
> 
> 
>
>

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[glenda Goodman]

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I'm not a member of this list...I had a rough day the
day I found you guys and signed on...thought I was a
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Re: My little Moe man.

[glenda Goodman]

Beckie, 
I just realized ,because I was forgetting both Miles
and Moe are FeLV+. I forgot that Miles was also FeLV+.
It is Holly who is negative...My heart goes out to all
you guys. It is a long hard road we are on. Your
kitties are so lucky to have you guys! Later, Glenda
--- Beckie McRae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi everyone.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks for the responses.  I had them do blood work
> on him, and its
> fine, he's eating like a cow, and drinking like a
> camel.
> 
> Something that I discovered today is that it's NOT
> him going to the
> bathroom in the kitchen; it's our OTHER FLV+ cat,
> Miles.  Now Miles is
> about 4 years old, seems perfectly healthy, eats and
> drinks, plays, etc.
> I HAVE noticed that last couple of weeks though he's
> been being REALLY
> affectionate, and I haven't been able to spend as
> much time with him and
> Holly (our 5 year old cat who does NOT have felv) 
> as I usually do
> because I've been so busy with Moe.  Is it possible
> that Miles has
> started to use the kitchen as his own personal
> bathroom because he's
> jealous of the attention that Moe is getting and
> trying to get our
> attention?  I KNOW it's Miles, because he didn't
> hear me get up this
> morning, and Moe was lying on my pillow next to my
> head (like he
> normally does), and I got up went out to the
> kitchen, and he must not
> have heard me, because I caught him red handed doing
> his business.  I
> made loud noises, and stuff, but I don't know why
> he's doing this.  He
> has been acting kind of weird.  Like if we're in the
> bathroom taking a
> shower or using the toilet and the door is closed,
> he'll sit outside it
> and just HOWL.  Never did this until a few weeks
> ago.  I figured it was
> because he was worried about Moe, but now not so
> sure.
> 
>  
> 
> Also, how much does heat effect felv?
> 
> We LOVE the heat, and try not to use the air
> conditioner, but it's going
> to get pretty warm here in the next week or so, and
> I was just wondering
> if I should turn the air on for the cats?
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks again everyone.  I'm so glad I found you all!
> 
>  
> 
> Beckie 
> 
> 



   

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Re: Miles

[glenda Goodman]

Beckie, 
What a great little story to start my day on! Thanks!
It is so nice when the little darlings have managed to
tell us what is wrong and we, with our abilities, are
able to actually help them.  I'm so glad you solved
this problem and Miles is a happy little kitty again.
You guys are great! I particularly enjoy your colorful
emails ,so please stick around and keep learning with
the rest of us how to best care for our kitties.
Please keep us posted on how things are going with
your FeLV+ kitty.
 Every day it is something new around here. Bless your
hearts, you guys.
 Glenda 
--- Beckie McRae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well, Miles came thru with flying colors. 
> 
> He indeed has a urinary tract infection.  He's on
> meds, and we haven't
> seen a mess since!  YAY
> 
> Also, we turned on the air in one room for them last
> night.  They were
> loving it.  UNFORTUNATELY, we didn't turn the air on
> in our room, and it
> was MUGGY, so needless to say, we blew up out air
> mattress, and camped
> out in the kitty room.  I don't think they knew what
> to do!
> 
> Here's "Mommy and Daddy" laying on the floor in
> there room.
> 
> But alas, after about an hour or so of curious pokes
> and prods, everyone
> finally calmed down and we all got good nights
> sleep.  Double YAY!!
> 
>  
> 
> Beckie
> 
> 



  

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Re: To Glenda Re: using the media for the fire/Leslie's miracle story

[glenda Goodman]

Wendy, I thought of that...I know in general, anyone
with a lot of cats is considered wacky...I do know ,
however ,no matter what people think of the people
involved, the kitties will get sympathy. I just was
not sure if she could project herself as a
shelter/rescue...It was just a thought to munch
on...Thank you for bringing this point up...It is a
very excellent/true observation...Glenda
--- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey Glenda,
> 
> The thing we may have to be careful of in this
> situation is the media.  They might put Susan in her
> one bedroom apartment with all those cats on TV, and
> I don't know what the pet limit laws are in San
> Francisco, but I'm betting animal control will get
> involved.  If the media only covered the fire and
> gave out Susan's contact info., that would be great,
> but I'm betting they'll want to know where the cats
> are now for the story, which probably wouldn't be
> good.  
> 
> The media, however, can be used for good in some
> situations.  We had a member here, Leslie, back in
> October whose cats got carjacked in Washington
> state, if you can believe it!  Thanks to the media
> (TV coverage), she got both her wonderful cats back
> in a matter of time, a couple of days or so.  The
> thief left the car with the windows open in a retail
> area, and the cats got out.  It is a miracle they
> weren't killed.  One was found at a shelter and the
> other hanging around one of the stores, I believe. 
> It's one of my all time favorite stories now.  
> 
> :)
> Wendy
>  
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
> committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
> is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade
> ~~~
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2007 2:02:05 AM
> Subject: Re: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!!
> 
> 
> How very sad. This is near  where I was raised...so
> I
> can feel it very deeply. I have heard San Francisco
> has become very progressive in caring for it's
> homeless pet populations, as well as everything to
> do
> with controlling it's pet populations.Is anyone
> familiar with their policies, as I am always
> interested in learning the different secrets of
> success.I think Las Vegas, Nevada is another such
> place??? 
> Anyway, it would seem, if this is the case ,with a
> fair amount of publicity to make people aware of
> this
> tragedy, there might be an out pouring of sympathy
> for
> these cats...I guess I am just being hopeful? I do,
> however have faith in my fellow Californians...I'm
> so
> sorry for everyone involved...Glenda
> --- Kelly L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > At 10:08 PM 8/4/2007, you wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I believe it started in the basement wiring and
> > moves up
> > We could not talk too much today but she will be
> > online again tomorrow..
> > Kelly
> > 
> > >Also, I know you mentioned it was electrical -
> but
> > do you know 
> > >exactly how it happened?  Was it from a dryer or
> > something?
> > >How many cats does shw have in her apartment for
> > adoption?
> > >- Original Message -
> > >From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>HIDEYO
> > YAMAMOTO
> > >To:
> >
>
<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > >Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 11:00 PM
> > >Subject: Re: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!!
> > >
> > >This is awful -- I did not understand the part
> you
> > said only 7 or so 
> > >accounted for -- does is mean 7 cats got out of
> the
> > house and they are missing?
> > >- Original Message -
> > >From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Kelly L
> > >To:
> >
>
<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > >Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 5:54 PM
> > >Subject: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!!
> > >
> > >We all know Susan Hoffman...moderator of FIV2
> group
> > and wonderful
> > >helper to ALL OF US 
> > >
> > >This morning at 5am her home caught on fire,,She
> > has many many cats
> > >there and was in the process of doing a lot of
> > kitten
> > >adoptions,,,Fortunately the cats were saved and
> > only 7 or so
> > >accounted for,,she is looking for them
> > >
> > >Please Please Please,,,Anyone willing to take in
> > any for adoptionsd
> > >as she will not