That is quite insulting.
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Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 8:59 PM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Visually impaired gamer sues Sony Online.
Now that I
While I find the comments about getting a job instead of playing videogames
is more than stupid, I do not see how suing sony or any other mainstream
game company will be of any use. I mean what's next, suing car companies
because we cannot drive?
chrissy
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I hope those files have my stuff in them.
If not, can someone try to locate a file called topspeed2mods.zip? Or
something like that. I only ask because I don't want to lose my own
creations.
Signed:
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On 11/6/09, Richard Sherman squir...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
Here are two
This is going to be quite long and detailed.
I've been playing this game now for a little under a month now, yet I feel
very much like I have only scratched the surface of it.
The best way to describe this game really is like a book. Within reason you
can pick it up and put it down. I have yet
wow I never thought we would have the cash or whatever to pull this off.
Excuse my language but this guy better win.
If not then we will now get the reputation as spoilt demanding f**king
b**stards!
Suing, yeah good idea.
ofcause if we win it would actually make someone take notice may not do a
same here I'd like to play mainstream, to, but one person suits aint goina do
it not a smigen.
group suits would but the foundations and other orgs have better things to
worry aboutlike roading access and other things more important than games.
so yeah we will have to muddle along.
ofcause if
I do aggree that if you play video games blind or sighted unless you have a job
doing it then you are a sad fella.
I play games all the time but I'd never concider it a life long dream.
At 02:08 p.m. 7/11/2009, you wrote:
Hello,
An even more interesting read is the comments which are posted
hmmm though not strictly game related I was having issues with the dev of
flashfxp on accessability the lead dev asked me what to do and I told him and
he fixed the issue.
OFcause ioware is a small company as they only sell 2 products.
So I do think we will eventually play mainstream games,
Meh, while I wouldn't push it anywhere near as far as the comments on
the actual gamespot page did, I do have an incling that this is both
A) doomed to fail and B) a pretty dodgy case in the first place
assuming the people this guy is taking on weren't a giant with
ridiculously highly paid lawyers
Or Flobberworms? (grin)
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Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FreezeUp hand held game.
Hi Allan,
You are correct in that the
That I do agree with. It's just going to give us more of a bad reputation
than we already have in some quarters. I know a few blind people who
threaten to sue at the drop of a hat. I'm not an easy hater but I hate
people like that.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a
Even if we win there's every chance it'll just increase the reputation we
already have in some quarters as demanding, spoiled brats. I know one or two
folks like that. Even if we win it could be detremental to us.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
I agree the lawsuit is riddiculous and more than likely doomed, but I don't
agree with the comments about blind people should not be allowed to play
games. About all I feel this can accomplish is to give us an undesirable and
undeserved reputation, one which we already have in some quarters,
Hi Yohandy,
This is definitely an interesting development. Although, I think it is
probably going to be in vain. Too much rides on the fact the case is
based on a week legal standpoint to begin with, and to top that off the
general public is totally clueless about game accessibility as well.
Hi Chrissy,
Weather it works or not I think the main point of this lawsuit should be
to make Sony and some of these major companies aware that accessible
mainstream video games are possible, and that we would like them to take
us seriously as a group interested in purchasing their video games.
Let's face it people, mainstream accessibility is probably never going to
happen even though the technology is and probably has been there for a lot
of years. Or if it does it's going to take a small time developer developing
an accessible game so groundbreaking that the mainstream devs can't
Hi Scott,
Indeed the case seams pretty weak. He and his lawyers are reaching with
their suit. So it will be very interesting to see how the judge, if it
goes that far, will decide the legal ramifications of this case.
I too agree that media support would not be of much help. I've read the
It's even more depressing when you consider the almost overwhelmingly
positive response to the last article pertaining to us that was posted on
Gamespot. Of course that was about games developed for and by blind folks
and not about mainstream games being made accessible. Grrr! If only this guy
While I, like everyone else, would love the idea of having every single game
accessible in the future, it will not happen.
Think about how costly this would be, development would raise the price of a
game to probably double what it is now.
And to an extent I could understand that the sighted
Hi Bryan,
Perhaps, but I don't see any other way to bring the issue to a head.
Many of us, myself included, hope that Sony, Microsoft, Activision,
Capcom, Edos, Nintendo, you name it would create fully accessible video
games. That's not going to happen through talking to them, and national
That's exactly my point. This might be our only option but I have a very
strong feeling that it's only going to give us even more of a bad reputation
than we already have in some quarters. Our only remaining option it seems is
also the one that could and most likely will be our downfall.
That's true tom regarding getting in touch with companies.
I actually spoke to a capcom rep on the phone, and he was less than helpful.
When I phoned Nintendo Uk asking about access to the wiimote menue system, I
got a much more useful person, who appreciated the problem and actually
tested
Hi Bryan,
That's just it though. A small time developer hasn't a chance of
competing with a multi million dollar mainstream game company for a
number of reasons. For one reason the major game platforms like the Play
Station is closed to everyone except a select few major players in the
game
See that I would think would be the place to start. Nintendo at least seems
open to the idea. If enough information and evidence were ever able to be
provided it just might sway them in our favor. And if Nintendo made the
change it MIGHT sway other devs. But I realize that might be difficult if
I know that all too well. THe best and most ideal solution is also the least
possible and not merely for the reasons you outlined regarding the hardware
being closed to all but a few. It would take years to develop an accessible
game that would actually capture the mainstream media's attention
My own personal belief, is that what will change access will also be the force
which will change the Uk libraries thinking on accessible books, - time.
There is no point denying, %70 of visually impared people are over the age of
60, - and %50 are over the age of 70.
Currently, that
Well, I admit I was only suggesting a small change, merely the ability
to access Wii menues by the standard up down arrows method which has been
used in games for years, rather than having to use the Wiimote to point at
specific areas of the screen which I find near impossible.
It would
Or we could get Magic Emperor Ghaleon from the Lunar seires of RPG's. LOL. I
don't think Ghaleon would give a rat's behind. He'd be more interested in
becoming god of all creation. Then again he did redeem himself in the second
game in the series...
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the
Well, if it's a matter of sicking game characters on them, my vote would be
to feed them to an extremely angry king Bowser!
Lets see what they think of game access when their being chased by a
fireball spitting turtle in an extremely ill humourr!
I think Bowser would be up for the idea too,
Or perhaps even the four Sinistrals from the Lufia games. Well Erim at any
rate since it's been proven that she at least has tendencies toward good
unlike her brothers.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
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Hi,
I'm just wondering how the game creation toolkit is coming along?
Josh
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Hi Tom,
Do you think it would cost more or less money for a game company like Sony
to make purely accessible games from scratch, then to make a regular title
for the sighted?
My thought is this, could a game company set up a dedicated department that
makes just accessible games that would
I believe you said the utility pack isn't available for download anymore?
The reason for this is the Top Speed 2.1 update; this update includes the
utility pack already installed with it. Also, it has some great additions to
the tracks, cars, and menu system, which has been consolidated
Hi Josh,
I am currently waiting for some code to be completed by another programmer,
but development is very much active and I will keep you all up to date as
much as possible on the tool's progress.
Kind regards,
PhilipB ennefall
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From: Josh jkenn...@gmail.com
No. I said that the utility pack doesn't download anymore.
Plus, I don't believe my cars and tracks made it up there anyway.
Thanks for the attempt, but I'm now mostly focused on trying to get my
own stuff back, and the ts2 utility pack isn't really that helpful for
that.
Signed:
Dakotah Rickard
Well I am coming in late on this thread but I agree with Tom here, I
applaude this guy for trying to do this, the only way that major companies
like Sony are going to pay attention to us at all is if they fear that we
will hit them in their pocketbooks. Face it people, the bottom line is all
they
Hi,
Is lite-tek interactive still up and going? Or is it permanently dead?
Josh
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The brutal truth is Alan, there currently are simply not enough visually
impared gamers to make it worth their while.
Even paripherals such as head track devices are not made by the big name
companies, - and indeed the companies do not put direct support for such
things in their games.
Hello,
I do not believe creating accessible games from scratch would be
considered viable by any of the game developers.
Blindness is a very low incidence group which only effects .6% of the
population of any technologically advanced country, and up to .8% of
non-technologically advanced
doubtful. that article grabbed people's interest for a few days, then
completely died and was never mentioned. A good idea could be for everyone
to write to people like Ed Boon on twitter and let him know how awesome and
accessible his MK series is and suggest any improvements. Twitter might
Hi Dark,
Yeah, that is pretty much my experience as well. Nice or not all we are
doing is contacting the low level peons who have no real power or
authority. Even if they sympathize with our cause they are not able to
refer us to a higher power, or are unable to do so. often it is just
I suppose your right. Money is too important to the compaines to bother with
us, and the governments don't have to worry about us as a voters block...I
guess all there really is is the kindness of strangers, or Every single game
company board of directers suddenly becomeing blind.
al
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Hi,
Thanks for those statistics. It puts things into perspective a bit better.
Well, I suppose all of us will have to buy large amounts of lottery tickets
, win a bunch of money, and start our own accessible video game making
company, grin.
al
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From: David
That sounds par for the course.
this is why I'm firmly of the belief that the major companies simply will
not considder accessibility any time soon, and the best hope for accessible
games lies with independent developers, - who will probably value the
sales of their games to the Vi gaming
Well, at least in the Uk, voter lobbying doesn't play as major a part in
politics as it does in the us, but I do take your point.
Beware the Grue!
Dark.
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Hi,
A lot of the big game companies are now on twitter and facebook. lets take
advantage of this and get in touch wiith them.
Josh
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Hi Dark,
Yes, your opinion holds a lot of truth, and I don't doubt as the
so-called baby boomer generation reaches into their 60's and 70's things
will begin changing for the better for us. My dad has just turned 60 and
he grew up watching the original Star Trek, Lost in Space, Time Tunnel,
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Hi Dark,
Hahahaha! That would be seriously funny. Talk about getting media
attention. Blind man heads armed raid against world renown video game
company. I can see the head lines now.
Seriously though, a major part of the problem is that there are
different cultural views about blindness to
Hi,
Lol! That is a pretty cool idea. Somehow bring all of the enemy game
character's to life and let them take out their frustrations on their
creators. Anyone up for seeing Donkey Kong pounding a few developers for
letting Mario beat him too?
dark wrote:
Well, if it's a matter of sicking
On the subject of gaming taste changing though Tom, I'm not precisely
as convinced, as frequently a classic remains so.
as an extreme example, I devote considderable time to learning and
performing the works of Gilbert and sullivan. These are now about 110 years
old, yet,
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Funny Tom, my university has an exchange going with the university ot tokio,
and I've never had any problems with the Japanese I've met, indeed I
got to become quite good friends with one girl at my light opera society.
Also, my mum, who is a physio for disabled children did a
Maybe this is the real reason Donkey kong got his own series of Donkey Kong
country games on the Snes in the 90's, afterall, who'd want to irritate
a 50 foot tall ape by making him a constant baddy!
Beware the Grue!
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Perhaps, but we as the blind gaming market would all have to band together
to prove to them that such a thing would be cost-effective for them. That's
the heart of the problem right there. And let's face it people, we're a
distinct minority.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and
Hi.
this actually brings up a question, which I should probably ask the
list.
thus far, on the audiogames.net database, I've only included gamebook sites
which actually provide html links betwene the pages, I've got another
couple to add once the database is editable again
Ugh. I hate Twitter. LOL.
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Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 3:24 PM
That'll be the day LOL.
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Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009
I'm the same way. My mom and dad are 54 and 55 respectively, and both have
occasionally tried their hand at video games, my dad more than my mom. Then
about six years ago I brought my Game Cube out to Idaho for them to try and
lo and behold they ended up buying one for themselves that following
Oh we sometimes get that here in the US as well Dark. I, too, have met a
very large number of seemingly more inlightened Japanese individuals
(usually teachers), who not only seemed open to the idea of blind students
making the same way in the world as sighted folks but also seemed fascinated
Well as I said Bryan, you get mixed views in any country, but the Us,
both from what I know of their government policy, the number of American Vi
people I've talked to, and the Americans I've met overhere does seem
generally better on disability than the Uk.
I remember once having an
Oh, I see what you mean now; true the Utility pack would not help you
getting your cars and tracks back.
Hayden
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Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 2:53 PM
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Hi Thomas,
Out of curiosity, have you managed to find the Giftanum installer?
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Hi Dark,
Yeah, like I said I didn't know if her view was shared by her countrymen
or not, but merely wanted to point out that there are mixed views about
accessibility, blindness, and how different people react to a person
with a disability. Someone from a different country or culture may hold
hi dark. i agree about adding these text gamebooks. they are ust like
the html ones, but in text. in my opinion, they can still be considered
games.
i have a question to ask about the lonewolf books.
i can't understand the combat rules wen calculing the number of
endurance that i'm going to lose
Hi Dark,
Well, that sort of thing happens often enough here too, but ever since
the Civil Rights movement of the 1960's the USA in general is more
consciously aware of a persons individual civil rights weather they be
of another race, gender, or if they have a disability. Plus sad to say
we
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Hello,
I spent a couple weeks in Japan during the World Science Fiction
Convention in 2007. After the convention finished, I spent a week
visiting universities near Tokyo to learn what their disability services
are like.
Most universities have their barrier free services. These departments
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Wow! maybe we should all write to the Japanese government and get them to
slap figns on game developement companies?
while the institutional and home care business sounds pretty nasty, I'm
well impressed about what you say regarding the legal requirements on
business.
With the Uk
Far too harsh.
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Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Serious Warning Requesting Rogue
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Sorry
Is it legal for you to record an album of music onto an audio cassette and
give it to someone? Unless the laws have changed, yes. So, if it is legal
for someone to get movies with descriptive narration, is it legal to send a
copy, upon request, to someone where the product is not available?
Indeed. Ponder the following Senerio:
A previously convicted murderer discuveries another murderer on the street.
Upon turning in the murderer, he is told by the judge, You can't convict
this guy; you're a murderer yourself!
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That's the beauty of a game demo, too. Try it before you buy it. If you
don't like it, don't buy what you already know something about. If you like
it, you'll probably find that, in most cases, you barely scratched the
surface by playing the demo. The demo of Mota is the first level.
You did absolutely nothing wrong other than, perhaps, explaining in your
post, wherever it should have gone to, the reason you wanted the downloads.
Then again, hindsight is always 20/20.
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Charles,
It is only legal to copy an audio cassette, CD, etcetera if you make only
one copy, and only if that copy is created for your use. If you have a
cassette you want to convert to CD to preserve it longer, that's perfectly
legal. If, however, you copy a cassette or CD for someone else, you
I definitely agree; although I've never bought SOD or Tank Commander, I have
bought Loanwoflf, and there is quite a lot one doesn't get in the demo.
Hayden
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The cookies cannot be repackaged once opened, nor can the contents you
consumed be put back in any form that others would eat. A download,
however, is a totally different animal. It can be deleted. No harm done.
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You ask: If someone was to hack mota then decide they liked it thus they
buy it does
that make the act of piracy legal?
No. But is Thomas hacking or modifying what he receives, making it into a
full version? Obviously not. See the difference?
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I hope they see your intent, and you remain a moderator. It's the fair
thing to do. Those who don't see your point of view just aren't looking
past their own. I'm totally against piracy, and what you asked for was not
in any way an attempt at piracy, which anyone can see after reading your
But the contents of the book are already in your head. The cookies can't be
repackaged, and the material can't be unheard either. The people who
designed those books worked hard to make sure they produced a good product,
and they made sure demos were available so that people could make an
informed
What counts is the game developer's reasons for developing their games. Jim
Kitchen does it strictly as a hobby. Others don't.
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Now I'm curious. What game made, maybe, 8 to 10 thousand bucks? I wonder
if I have it? Thanks.
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